June 24, 2025 • 17 mins
Tina, Lauren, and Cassie dive into the raw (unpasteurised) milk debate, exploring why Lauren’s gut handles raw milk with ease while processed milk leaves her uncomfortable. They unpack the tight legal framework around raw milk in Australia, noting that only a single fatality has been linked to it in the past fifty years. From there, the conversation widens into holistic living: the hosts compare traditional food practices, the benefits of breastfeeding, and age-old home remedies with the realities of modern allopathic medicine. Along the way, they question pharmaceutical profit motives and argue for a return to natural, time-tested approaches to health.
Key Takeaways
- Raw vs processed milk: Raw milk’s natural enzymes seem to ease lactose intolerance for some people, yet strict Australian laws restrict its sale.
- Safety record: Despite regulatory fears, documented deaths from raw milk are extremely rare in Australia.
- Holistic mindset: The hosts champion traditional nutrition, breastfeeding, and simple home remedies as practical tools for everyday wellness.
- Scepticism of Big Pharma: Modern medicine saves lives, but the trio highlight how profit can overshadow patient wellbeing.
- Call to action: Listeners are encouraged to research food sources, support local producers, and make informed, balanced choices for better health.
Listen in for a candid chat that blends personal experience, historical insight, and a healthy dose of scepticism about the status quo.
00:00 Welcome to TLC the Life Chat
00:31 House Sitting Adventures
01:22 The Milk Cartel: Raw Milk Controversy
02:20 Personal Experiences with Lactose Intolerance
06:47 Breastfeeding and Milk Sharing
08:25 Mind Your Own Business
08:53 Back to Basics: Embracing Natural Living
09:23 The Homesteader Lifestyle
10:28 Nostalgia: The Milkman Days
12:00 The Shift in Milk Packaging
12:35 Traditional vs. Modern Medicine
14:32 The Brave New World of Pharmaceuticals
16:09 The Irony of Health and Pills
17:12 Wrapping Up: Final Thoughts
Catch Tina in the OmMade Wellness Hub
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Episode Transcript
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MIC3 (00:00):
Welcome.
Welcome to TLC the Life Chat
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chat.
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Tina, Lauren,
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and Cassie.
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Drink my tea.
You love that bit.
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I really do love that.
And if,
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I wish that this was visual so could see us dancing.
I'm
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I'm very glad
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this is not visual.
It'll be eventually.
Oh my goodness.
Well, it's real.
It's raw.
Yeah.
That's us
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that's See it
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sitting around a dining room table doing it.
At Cassie's house.
At
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At Cassie's house, yes.
I'm not So our is Cassie House
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sits and so she house sits the most amazing places.
And that's where we do our, andwe just come and stay there and
have girls nights for free,don't we?
Yeah.
We pretend it's like an Airbnb.
We've paid$600 for a night.
Yeah.
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And
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then Cassie cooks for us.
Yeah.
Yes.
And it's pretty good.
And she cleans up.
She makes our bets, makes ustea.
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I do ask the people that I house seat for if I can have
guests.
yeah.
And people are,
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to you
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in.
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and they're very gracious.
I must be an ass person to say,yeah, sure.
Well, good people
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attract Well, you are all right.
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that's it.
She's lovely people.
Lovely, lovely.
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if you're an asshole, asshole, you'd attract asshole.
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asshole.
Generally.
I'm not really an asshole.
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No, you're lovely.
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Let's get into it.
I feel like this one is for youand Tina.
You know a lot about it.
I would admit.
No,
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think we do,
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No, but I would admit we know what we know.
That's why there's three of us.
We all have different things tobring to the table.
These girls have a lot ofknowledge on this, so I'm gonna
sit
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I feel you do too.
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literally,
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We'll see.
But I feel you'll have just asmuch.
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I might be able to input a little bit here or there but I
feel like you girls know a lotabout this.
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Okay.
The white
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we're talking about
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that you sneak into your car, that's what you were
talking about?
Yes.
Yeah.
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which you've gotta message
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the person before you arrive so they can come outside
so
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people
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in the house don't know that you are there.
And then meet them at boot withtheir esky, so they
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like a drug deal
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you're not talking about
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crack.
It's not crack, it's not
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cocaine.
freaking milk straight cow.
What is going on?
So you opened my eyes to thismaybe a year ago or so, because
I didn't realize it was soillegal.
Mm.
And I didn't realize that dairyfarmers could actually have
their.
Dairy farm.
Shut down.
Yeah.
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And go to jail.
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I didn't know that, but I thought most of my life that I
was lactose intolerant.
Well, I think I was, but I'mbuilding up a tolerance now
because,
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hang on.
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Because you told your body to stop being a pussy.
Really good advice from my son.
My son.
He, he'll say that if you thinkyou're coming down with a cold,
or if you think you've got anallergy or an intolerance, talk
to yourself and say.
Don't be a pussy and you, andyou don't be a pus.
Well, you are either a pussy oryou're not.
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And I'm not, so,
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I mean, sometimes I take it too
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far.
I'm like, I'm, I can tolerateall kinds of dairy and then I'm
ruined, but I can tolerate alittle bit of dairy
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within reason.
So I probably
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ever delve into that because I avoided cow's milk
because it upset my tummy.
So I was on the poison milk likethe almond and the oat and the
soy and the full of fillers.
What else was there?
Like,
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Yeah, just the heavily
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poison
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chemical feel.
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they call it.
There's no plants in it.
It's just poison and it'sreally, really, really
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bad oils,
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you.
But it didn't upset my stomach.
So I've done that for years andyears.
But anyway, you told me thatthis was illegal, and I'm saying
why, and you said somethingalong these lines, quote me if
I'm wrong, but maybe one personin the last 50 years or a
hundred years has died.
Yes.
From drinking raw cow's milk.
Yes.
Right.
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Imagine if they applied
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that to vaccines.
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but anyway, carry on.
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we go again.
Um, but then Paul, your husbandsaid.
It.
But what about alcohol andcigarettes, which is just
readily available to everyoneand anyone?
Have you ever
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Which may I add?
The government makes a shit tonof
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Well, there there's no money to be made off of raw
cow's milk,
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But well tax it.
I don't give a shit.
I'll
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I pay tax as long as we can get it.
But everybody, like so manypeople have died from drinking
alcohol or smoking cigarettes.
Yes.
And nobody cares.
But one person dies fromdrinking cow's milk and
everybody cares.
And then you got me thinkingabout that.
And I could just couldn'tbelieve it.
And then I can't say whobecause, because they'll go to
jail.
Yeah.
But I have come across someonewho has a dairy farm who's kind
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enough to fill up some emptybottles of milk for me and drop
it off.
To, I can't say the location.
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I
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serious.
I can't
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say the location.
I can't
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who, how
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Lauren, you are.
Such a milk cartel.
The milk cartel.
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That's this episode's.
It's called the Milk Cartel.
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but interestingly,
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20 years or, or I can't remember.
Anyway, I think I was bornlactose intolerant.
I built up a tolerance.
Then I had my own kids.
I was bad again.
I, and it was my son Justin, whowanted the raw cows milk.
So I got it for him.
And then I tried it a couple oftimes, really scared,
reluctantly tried it'cause the.
Gut pains are horrendous.
Nothing.
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No gut pains.
I can have a smoothie,milkshake, coffee, no gut pains
yet.
If I go and get the Coles orFoodland or Woolworths or go to
a cafe and get a coffee of cowsmilk, I will get gut pains.
So then I'm like, okay.
So they must put a lot of crapin all the milk that we
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got.
Mm-hmm.
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the shop and raw straight from the
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it's processed.
Yeah,
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because I'm.
I've always said, oh, we are nota calf.
Why would we drink?
Yeah, human milk.
Human milk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I feel a bit like, ugh, whywould I drink a cow's milk?
I'm not a baby calf, And
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I still think that a
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bit.
But anyway, I can tolerate cow'smilk straight from a cow.
It's baffles me that it'sillegal.
Everybody should be doing it.
I think we'd have a lot a, ahealthier group of humans if we
were all drinking.
Milk straight from the cow.
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So many
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benefits.
It's not actually the shit thatthey put into the milk, it's the
the goodness they take out.
That's the problem.
Oh yeah.
So the heating and thepasteurization, all of that
takes out all the good stuff.
I do still think that weprobably shouldn't be having a
lot of milk because
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What
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it?
After the age of five or six, welose the enzyme lactase, which
prevents us from actuallydigesting lactose.
But doesn't
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doesn't do that.
MIC3-1 (06:41):
No.
that, well, that's the thing.
I would still say I'm lactoseintolerant, but I'm not when it
comes to raw cow's milk.
Yeah.
And that's why, you know,breastfeeding your kids.
For so long is fine too, becausethey still have that enzyme.
I mean, I breastfed Molly tillshe was five.
I love that.
Yeah.
And that is frowned upon by somany people.
Oh, so many people like, butwhat is more natural than a
child having Yeah, theirmother's milk and I donated milk
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through the human milk for humanbabies page because that's
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there's a lot of mums
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that couldn't breastfeed, but they don't wanna
give their kids formula or cowsmilk or whatever.
I respect that.
So they would drop off theirbottles.
But that's all
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like
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self-funded.
Self-managed.
Like
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they don't actually
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have, is that illegal?
Would you get in a lot oftrouble if someone found out?
No, it's not illegal, but theydon't have a milk bank.
Okay.
Which is ridiculous.
I had never heard of that.
I had heard of the years andyears ago the wetnurse.
Where
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Where
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you used to feed other
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people.
His mom was a witness
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babies.
When she had her
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when she had her babies, she
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had heaps of milk.
Yeah.
And Joe used to go into thehospital and be like, oh,
where's my wife?
And oh, she's upstairs feedingall the babies that couldn't be
fed by their mums.
That's kind of
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then too, they didn't have all this powdered milk.
I know my husband's mom was awet-nurse for her sister who had
triplets and didn't have enoughmilk back then for them.
Yeah, cool.
So of course that's her niecesand nephews.
Yeah.
And that's what they did backthen because they didn't
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I would love to be able to see.
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all those things.
Yeah.
And can I just say, going backto you saying, um, it was
frowned upon to nurse yourdaughter's Mm.
the fuck cares?
I certainly didn't.
Seriously.
No, but I mean, mind your ownfucking business.
You do you, yeah.
Do your life.
Why is everyone so involved inother people's business and, and
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what they think is right orwrong, or should or shouldn't be
done?
People get a life.
I seriously,, and whether wewanna drink raw cows milk or
not, we need to come back tobasics where everyone's not just
got each other under a fuckingmicroscope.
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You just
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said something about getting back
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basics.
That's, and that's what I'mreally, really passionate about,
but I think I kind of alwayshave been, but more so Like just
growing your own veggies andhaving the royal cow's milk and,
and that sort of stuff you'relooked at as though you're some
weird hippie.
A crazy person if you have avegetable garden or drink raw
cow's milk or take your vitaminsand drink your herbal
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raw honey for a sore throat,
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and that works beautifully.
It's amazing.
Honey
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hang on, hang
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so many things.
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But not if you're a 24-year-old homesteader with.
MIC3-1 (09:30):
We some, sorry, We found some overalls for your birthday,
by the way.
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I
MIC3-1 (09:34):
actually would love some overalls.
Thank you.
I would love them.
And they're the perfect, Ichanged my tune.
I wasn't surprise you, but No, Iwant them.
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I want.
So
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I changed my tune on that.
I think I was jealous.
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And
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when I did some self reflecting, Oh,
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And a red checkered shirt, like you'll rock it.
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like a real homesteader because I am a real homesteader
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goats milk.
Hang on My
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goats, I, I can't milk my goats.
Kenny's being fixed and.
Well, well, I
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you would
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would wanna milk.
MIC3-1 (10:05):
Kenny because, no, I
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was gonna say
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Kenny can't get
MIC1-1 (10:09):
He has.
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one tea.
It's not drinkable.
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Oh my gosh,
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Can I just say,
MIC3-1 (10:15):
I was gonna say, can't get the girls pregnant.
I know, I
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can't.
Do you know what?
MIC3-1 (10:22):
That
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teat.
Do know what
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oh my goodness.
Just that's silly.
But it wasn't that long ago,like when I was young, very
young.
A milkman came around anddelivered milk and you would
leave your empty jars out and itwould get filled up.
There was a milkman.
Yeah.
And that was raw milk from adairy.
We lived up
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the
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dirt road outside of Birdwood.
There's a dairy farm on thatroad.
We used to pull in there with abucket.
Mm, absolutely.
Like
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And not even a sterilized bucket.
Nothing like,
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just literally.
Yeah.
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We did the same thing.
I was on a hobby farm.
No.
Saying like we would rock in tothe local dairy
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pull in, get
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in get, you'd pull the lid up from the milk farm.
The Dairy farmer had a jug ontop that you grabbed for the
people that pulled in.
Yeah.
You put your money in the littlecup, and you'd scoop out a
couple liters of milk,
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and my parents, believe it or not, you know, I mean,
they weren't like.
What you would call the homesitting part, but having, they
sort of were, they sort of were
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having said
MIC3-1 (11:27):
that, I do remember them actually making butter.
They got a butter churn, awooden butter churn, and got the
cream the top of the milk andmade butter.
Well, it might have also been afinancial thing too.
I was a hundred percentfinancial.
Yeah.
So how come in just 30 or 40years, we've gone so far?
That it's now illegal.
When we remember a time where itwas encouraged, it saved on
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money.
It saved on rubbish.
Yeah.
'cause you would reuse the samebottles over and over.
No
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cartons or
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or plastic.
Yeah.
So it's just, I just don'tunderstand it.
I can't understand it actually.
And there's the other thingabout going from glass bottles.
To cartons and then back toclear plastic bottles.
Mm-hmm.
So they went to cartons becausethe sunlight destroyed the
vitamin A in the milk.
Oh, right.
And so then they said, okay,we'll put them in cartons and
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we'll protect the milk.
And then they've gone completelythe other way and put them back
in clear stuff.
But plastic this time instead ofglass.
So you're still getting thevitamin.
And they destroyed.
But it's now in plastic.
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But it's now in
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plastic.
So it's,
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it's now le
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it's only leaching in plastic.
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they're trying to
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kill us.
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Literally whole modern medicine needs to kick up the
ass But people say, oh, oh, soyou don't really believe in
traditional medicine.
I've heard that before.
And I'm like, what?
But traditional medicine is whatI do believe in.
That's the herbs.
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That's
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all the stuff that's been going on for thousands of
years.
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I Alopathic medicine, which
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is treating symptoms, has only been around for what,
just over a hundred years.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
that's traditional.
That's not traditional.
To me, that's alternative.
Yes.
That's contemporary.
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years and years and years and years is the stuff.
And now this very new stuff tome is alternative, but they
seem, I just feel, am I anidiot?
Am I that stupid that,
MIC2-2 (13:15):
No,
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because that doesn't make sense to me.
No, they're actually, they'remisbranding it.
They, what they should be sayingis mainstream medicine or
allopathic medicine.
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Allopathic
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Is treat is treating a single.
System in the body.
Respiratory, circulatory,mm-hmm.
And it treats the symptoms ofthat.
So you come to me, you've got acough, I'm gonna treat the
cough.
I'm not actually gonna try andfigure out why, why you have a
cough.
Yeah, yeah.
Or support your system mm-hmm.
To have Oh, okay.
System for that cough.
So that's naturopathy.
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So that's a holistic mm-hmm.
Model.
Mm-hmm.
So we are look like you'relooking at everything within the
body.
And to support that.
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And the cough
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is just to get rid of what's in the body, right?
Mm-hmm.
So you cough because you've gotphlegm or you've got something
you wanna bring up.
So why would, why do you wannasuppress it and suppress that
and dampen it and let your bodyget rid of it?
Like a fever, right?
Yeah.
When you, you're fighting aninfection.
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yes, your body
MIC3-2 (14:15):
Yeah.
Builds up heat mm-hmm.
To get rid of the virus.
Oh no.
Let's give them some Panadol toreduce their fever.
Okay.
So let's just let the virusmultiply in a very chilled
environment without any fever.
Yeah.
Like, it's crazy.
So anyway, sorry, I digress.
And people think you're brave ifyou use the But I think you're
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brave to use the new stuff.
That's what I was saying beforein another episode.
I don't feel very brave when I'msticking with something that's
tried and tested for years andyears and years and years and
years.
Totally.
I think the people that go tothe chemist and get the scripts
and do that, I think they are sobrave, Especially hats off to
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they actually read, they're so graphic.
Yeah.
If they read N it and it says
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A rare side effect of this medication is dizzy spells
and seizures.
And they still do
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it.
And they still do
MIC3-2 (15:08):
it.
Yeah.
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Far
MIC3-2 (15:09):
Far out.
You're brave.
Yeah.
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Right.
Because you know what?
Rare
MIC3-2 (15:12):
as common as one in a thousand.
So the actual definition of rareis between one in a thousand to
one in 10,000.
That's not very rare.
That's not rare.
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And then though, if you go on the other side of the,
take these herbs.
God be with you.
Yeah.
If this shit doesn't work wellwhat?
What's gonna happen?
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Yeah.
You're no worse
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off.
It didn't work.
MIC3-2 (15:39):
No, that's right.
Yeah.
You've got nothing to lose, haveyou?
MIC2-2 (15:42):
no.
Yeah.
When people roll their eyes atme, when I say, oh, try
echinacea, or have like lemonand honey in, they're like,
MIC3-2 (15:53):
but it works.
It actually works.
MIC2-2 (15:56):
that, there's properties out of certain things that have
grown on this earth for likealoe, vera on burns, and
MIC3-2 (16:04):
a hundred percent
MIC2-2 (16:05):
Like it's a plant that is natural.
MIC3-2 (16:09):
Do you know one thing though, that I read somewhere or
someone told me, and it's sotrue, if all these
pharmaceuticals and medicinesand whatever was about your
health, then wouldn't the peoplewho are taking the most pills be
our healthiest people?
Yes.
Yes.
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Yes.
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Hundred percent.
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But
MIC3-2 (16:28):
don't you find that the people that are taking the least
amount of pills are ourhealthiest people?
Yes.
So then
MIC2-2 (16:34):
more pills.
More pills.
MIC3-2 (16:35):
about health.
MIC2-2 (16:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
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So they don't make you healthy.
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Absolutely.
Do we
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got off of track'cause it was about milk.
We were talking
MIC2-2 (16:44):
right.
MIC3-2 (16:44):
milk.
Yeah,
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But
MIC3-2 (16:45):
the point being
MIC2-2 (16:46):
that
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if it was about health and safety and preventing death
from raw milk, then nopharmaceuticals Mm.
That's simple.
Mm-hmm.
If it was about our health, mm,
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it all comes back to the same
MIC3-2 (17:04):
money,
MIC2-2 (17:04):
money, money.
MIC3-2 (17:07):
Oh.
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Love it, love it.
Alright, we, we
MIC3-2 (17:14):
a wrap.
MIC2-2 (17:15):
We need to wrap it up.
Goodnight people.
Goodnight.
We love you.
Welcome.
Welcome to TLC the Life Chat
MIC2 (00:03):
chat.
MIC3 (00:04):
Tina, Lauren,
MIC1 (00:05):
and Cassie.
MIC3 (00:09):
Drink my tea.
You love that bit.
MIC1 (00:13):
I really do love that.
And if,
MIC3 (00:15):
I wish that this was visual so could see us dancing.
I'm
MIC2 (00:18):
I'm very glad
MIC3 (00:19):
this is not visual.
It'll be eventually.
Oh my goodness.
Well, it's real.
It's raw.
Yeah.
That's us
MIC2 (00:27):
that's See it
MIC3 (00:27):
sitting around a dining room table doing it.
At Cassie's house.
At
MIC2 (00:32):
At Cassie's house, yes.
I'm not So our is Cassie House
MIC3 (00:36):
sits and so she house sits the most amazing places.
And that's where we do our, andwe just come and stay there and
have girls nights for free,don't we?
Yeah.
We pretend it's like an Airbnb.
We've paid$600 for a night.
Yeah.
MIC2 (00:51):
And
MIC3 (00:51):
then Cassie cooks for us.
Yeah.
Yes.
And it's pretty good.
And she cleans up.
She makes our bets, makes ustea.
MIC2 (00:57):
I do ask the people that I house seat for if I can have
guests.
yeah.
And people are,
MIC3 (01:02):
to you
MIC1 (01:02):
in.
MIC2 (01:05):
and they're very gracious.
I must be an ass person to say,yeah, sure.
Well, good people
MIC3 (01:10):
attract Well, you are all right.
MIC2 (01:11):
that's it.
She's lovely people.
Lovely, lovely.
MIC3 (01:14):
if you're an asshole, asshole, you'd attract asshole.
MIC2 (01:16):
asshole.
Generally.
I'm not really an asshole.
MIC3 (01:21):
No, you're lovely.
MIC2 (01:22):
Let's get into it.
I feel like this one is for youand Tina.
You know a lot about it.
I would admit.
No,
MIC3 (01:31):
think we do,
MIC2 (01:32):
No, but I would admit we know what we know.
That's why there's three of us.
We all have different things tobring to the table.
These girls have a lot ofknowledge on this, so I'm gonna
sit
MIC3 (01:43):
I feel you do too.
MIC2 (01:44):
literally,
MIC3 (01:45):
We'll see.
But I feel you'll have just asmuch.
MIC2 (01:47):
I might be able to input a little bit here or there but I
feel like you girls know a lotabout this.
MIC3-1 (01:53):
Okay.
The white
MIC2-1 (01:54):
we're talking about
MIC3-1 (01:55):
that you sneak into your car, that's what you were
talking about?
Yes.
Yeah.
MIC2-1 (01:58):
which you've gotta message
MIC3-1 (01:59):
the person before you arrive so they can come outside
so
MIC2-1 (02:04):
people
MIC3-1 (02:04):
in the house don't know that you are there.
And then meet them at boot withtheir esky, so they
MIC2-1 (02:10):
like a drug deal
MIC3-1 (02:11):
you're not talking about
MIC2-1 (02:12):
crack.
It's not crack, it's not
MIC3-1 (02:14):
cocaine.
freaking milk straight cow.
What is going on?
So you opened my eyes to thismaybe a year ago or so, because
I didn't realize it was soillegal.
Mm.
And I didn't realize that dairyfarmers could actually have
their.
Dairy farm.
Shut down.
Yeah.
MIC2-1 (02:32):
And go to jail.
MIC3-1 (02:33):
I didn't know that, but I thought most of my life that I
was lactose intolerant.
Well, I think I was, but I'mbuilding up a tolerance now
because,
MIC2-1 (02:40):
hang on.
MIC3-1 (02:41):
Because you told your body to stop being a pussy.
Really good advice from my son.
My son.
He, he'll say that if you thinkyou're coming down with a cold,
or if you think you've got anallergy or an intolerance, talk
to yourself and say.
Don't be a pussy and you, andyou don't be a pus.
Well, you are either a pussy oryou're not.
(03:01):
And I'm not, so,
MIC2-1 (03:02):
I mean, sometimes I take it too
MIC3-1 (03:03):
far.
I'm like, I'm, I can tolerateall kinds of dairy and then I'm
ruined, but I can tolerate alittle bit of dairy
MIC2-1 (03:10):
within reason.
So I probably
MIC3-1 (03:12):
ever delve into that because I avoided cow's milk
because it upset my tummy.
So I was on the poison milk likethe almond and the oat and the
soy and the full of fillers.
What else was there?
Like,
MIC2-1 (03:23):
Yeah, just the heavily
MIC3-1 (03:24):
poison
MIC2-1 (03:25):
chemical feel.
MIC3-1 (03:27):
they call it.
There's no plants in it.
It's just poison and it'sreally, really, really
MIC2-1 (03:31):
bad oils,
MIC3-1 (03:32):
you.
But it didn't upset my stomach.
So I've done that for years andyears.
But anyway, you told me thatthis was illegal, and I'm saying
why, and you said somethingalong these lines, quote me if
I'm wrong, but maybe one personin the last 50 years or a
hundred years has died.
Yes.
From drinking raw cow's milk.
Yes.
Right.
MIC2-1 (03:51):
Imagine if they applied
MIC3-1 (03:52):
that to vaccines.
MIC2-1 (03:53):
but anyway, carry on.
MIC3-1 (03:55):
we go again.
Um, but then Paul, your husbandsaid.
It.
But what about alcohol andcigarettes, which is just
readily available to everyoneand anyone?
Have you ever
MIC2-1 (04:08):
Which may I add?
The government makes a shit tonof
MIC3-1 (04:12):
Well, there there's no money to be made off of raw
cow's milk,
MIC2-1 (04:15):
But well tax it.
I don't give a shit.
I'll
MIC3-1 (04:17):
I pay tax as long as we can get it.
But everybody, like so manypeople have died from drinking
alcohol or smoking cigarettes.
Yes.
And nobody cares.
But one person dies fromdrinking cow's milk and
everybody cares.
And then you got me thinkingabout that.
And I could just couldn'tbelieve it.
And then I can't say whobecause, because they'll go to
jail.
Yeah.
But I have come across someonewho has a dairy farm who's kind
(04:41):
enough to fill up some emptybottles of milk for me and drop
it off.
To, I can't say the location.
MIC2-1 (04:49):
I
MIC3-1 (04:49):
serious.
I can't
MIC2-1 (04:50):
say the location.
I can't
MIC3-1 (04:52):
who, how
MIC2-1 (04:53):
Lauren, you are.
Such a milk cartel.
The milk cartel.
MIC3-1 (04:57):
That's this episode's.
It's called the Milk Cartel.
MIC2-1 (05:00):
but interestingly,
MIC3-1 (05:02):
20 years or, or I can't remember.
Anyway, I think I was bornlactose intolerant.
I built up a tolerance.
Then I had my own kids.
I was bad again.
I, and it was my son Justin, whowanted the raw cows milk.
So I got it for him.
And then I tried it a couple oftimes, really scared,
reluctantly tried it'cause the.
Gut pains are horrendous.
Nothing.
(05:22):
No gut pains.
I can have a smoothie,milkshake, coffee, no gut pains
yet.
If I go and get the Coles orFoodland or Woolworths or go to
a cafe and get a coffee of cowsmilk, I will get gut pains.
So then I'm like, okay.
So they must put a lot of crapin all the milk that we
MIC2-1 (05:39):
got.
Mm-hmm.
MIC3-1 (05:39):
the shop and raw straight from the
MIC2-1 (05:41):
it's processed.
Yeah,
MIC3-1 (05:42):
because I'm.
I've always said, oh, we are nota calf.
Why would we drink?
Yeah, human milk.
Human milk.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I feel a bit like, ugh, whywould I drink a cow's milk?
I'm not a baby calf, And
MIC2-1 (05:55):
I still think that a
MIC3-1 (05:55):
bit.
But anyway, I can tolerate cow'smilk straight from a cow.
It's baffles me that it'sillegal.
Everybody should be doing it.
I think we'd have a lot a, ahealthier group of humans if we
were all drinking.
Milk straight from the cow.
MIC2-1 (06:11):
So many
MIC3-1 (06:12):
benefits.
It's not actually the shit thatthey put into the milk, it's the
the goodness they take out.
That's the problem.
Oh yeah.
So the heating and thepasteurization, all of that
takes out all the good stuff.
I do still think that weprobably shouldn't be having a
lot of milk because
MIC2-1 (06:29):
What
MIC3-1 (06:30):
it?
After the age of five or six, welose the enzyme lactase, which
prevents us from actuallydigesting lactose.
But doesn't
MIC2-1 (06:40):
doesn't do that.
MIC3-1 (06:41):
No.
that, well, that's the thing.
I would still say I'm lactoseintolerant, but I'm not when it
comes to raw cow's milk.
Yeah.
And that's why, you know,breastfeeding your kids.
For so long is fine too, becausethey still have that enzyme.
I mean, I breastfed Molly tillshe was five.
I love that.
Yeah.
And that is frowned upon by somany people.
Oh, so many people like, butwhat is more natural than a
child having Yeah, theirmother's milk and I donated milk
(07:04):
through the human milk for humanbabies page because that's
MIC2-1 (07:08):
there's a lot of mums
MIC3-1 (07:09):
that couldn't breastfeed, but they don't wanna
give their kids formula or cowsmilk or whatever.
I respect that.
So they would drop off theirbottles.
But that's all
MIC2-1 (07:18):
like
MIC3-1 (07:18):
self-funded.
Self-managed.
Like
MIC2-1 (07:21):
they don't actually
MIC3-1 (07:22):
have, is that illegal?
Would you get in a lot oftrouble if someone found out?
No, it's not illegal, but theydon't have a milk bank.
Okay.
Which is ridiculous.
I had never heard of that.
I had heard of the years andyears ago the wetnurse.
Where
MIC2-1 (07:35):
Where
MIC3-1 (07:35):
you used to feed other
MIC2-1 (07:37):
people.
His mom was a witness
MIC3-1 (07:38):
babies.
When she had her
MIC2-1 (07:39):
when she had her babies, she
MIC3-1 (07:40):
had heaps of milk.
Yeah.
And Joe used to go into thehospital and be like, oh,
where's my wife?
And oh, she's upstairs feedingall the babies that couldn't be
fed by their mums.
That's kind of
MIC2-1 (07:48):
then too, they didn't have all this powdered milk.
I know my husband's mom was awet-nurse for her sister who had
triplets and didn't have enoughmilk back then for them.
Yeah, cool.
So of course that's her niecesand nephews.
Yeah.
And that's what they did backthen because they didn't
MIC3-1 (08:05):
I would love to be able to see.
MIC2-1 (08:06):
all those things.
Yeah.
And can I just say, going backto you saying, um, it was
frowned upon to nurse yourdaughter's Mm.
the fuck cares?
I certainly didn't.
Seriously.
No, but I mean, mind your ownfucking business.
You do you, yeah.
Do your life.
Why is everyone so involved inother people's business and, and
(08:33):
what they think is right orwrong, or should or shouldn't be
done?
People get a life.
I seriously,, and whether wewanna drink raw cows milk or
not, we need to come back tobasics where everyone's not just
got each other under a fuckingmicroscope.
MIC3-1 (08:53):
You just
MIC2-1 (08:54):
said something about getting back
MIC3-1 (08:55):
basics.
That's, and that's what I'mreally, really passionate about,
but I think I kind of alwayshave been, but more so Like just
growing your own veggies andhaving the royal cow's milk and,
and that sort of stuff you'relooked at as though you're some
weird hippie.
A crazy person if you have avegetable garden or drink raw
cow's milk or take your vitaminsand drink your herbal
MIC2-1 (09:16):
raw honey for a sore throat,
MIC3-1 (09:18):
and that works beautifully.
It's amazing.
Honey
MIC2-1 (09:20):
hang on, hang
MIC3-1 (09:21):
so many things.
MIC2-1 (09:23):
But not if you're a 24-year-old homesteader with.
MIC3-1 (09:30):
We some, sorry, We found some overalls for your birthday,
by the way.
MIC2-1 (09:34):
I
MIC3-1 (09:34):
actually would love some overalls.
Thank you.
I would love them.
And they're the perfect, Ichanged my tune.
I wasn't surprise you, but No, Iwant them.
MIC2-1 (09:42):
I want.
So
MIC3-1 (09:43):
I changed my tune on that.
I think I was jealous.
MIC2-1 (09:47):
And
MIC3-1 (09:47):
when I did some self reflecting, Oh,
MIC2-1 (09:49):
And a red checkered shirt, like you'll rock it.
MIC3-1 (09:53):
like a real homesteader because I am a real homesteader
MIC2-1 (09:57):
goats milk.
Hang on My
MIC3-1 (09:59):
goats, I, I can't milk my goats.
Kenny's being fixed and.
Well, well, I
MIC2-1 (10:04):
you would
MIC1-1 (10:04):
would wanna milk.
MIC3-1 (10:05):
Kenny because, no, I
MIC2-1 (10:07):
was gonna say
MIC3-1 (10:08):
Kenny can't get
MIC1-1 (10:09):
He has.
MIC2-1 (10:09):
one tea.
It's not drinkable.
MIC3-1 (10:13):
Oh my gosh,
MIC2-1 (10:14):
Can I just say,
MIC3-1 (10:15):
I was gonna say, can't get the girls pregnant.
I know, I
MIC2-1 (10:19):
can't.
Do you know what?
MIC3-1 (10:22):
That
MIC2-1 (10:23):
teat.
Do know what
MIC3-1 (10:25):
oh my goodness.
Just that's silly.
But it wasn't that long ago,like when I was young, very
young.
A milkman came around anddelivered milk and you would
leave your empty jars out and itwould get filled up.
There was a milkman.
Yeah.
And that was raw milk from adairy.
We lived up
MIC2-1 (10:42):
the
MIC3-1 (10:43):
dirt road outside of Birdwood.
There's a dairy farm on thatroad.
We used to pull in there with abucket.
Mm, absolutely.
Like
MIC2-1 (10:50):
And not even a sterilized bucket.
Nothing like,
MIC3-1 (10:53):
just literally.
Yeah.
MIC2-1 (10:54):
We did the same thing.
I was on a hobby farm.
No.
Saying like we would rock in tothe local dairy
MIC3-1 (11:00):
pull in, get
MIC2-1 (11:01):
in get, you'd pull the lid up from the milk farm.
The Dairy farmer had a jug ontop that you grabbed for the
people that pulled in.
Yeah.
You put your money in the littlecup, and you'd scoop out a
couple liters of milk,
MIC3-1 (11:17):
and my parents, believe it or not, you know, I mean,
they weren't like.
What you would call the homesitting part, but having, they
sort of were, they sort of were
MIC2-1 (11:27):
having said
MIC3-1 (11:27):
that, I do remember them actually making butter.
They got a butter churn, awooden butter churn, and got the
cream the top of the milk andmade butter.
Well, it might have also been afinancial thing too.
I was a hundred percentfinancial.
Yeah.
So how come in just 30 or 40years, we've gone so far?
That it's now illegal.
When we remember a time where itwas encouraged, it saved on
(11:49):
money.
It saved on rubbish.
Yeah.
'cause you would reuse the samebottles over and over.
No
MIC2-1 (11:54):
cartons or
MIC3-1 (11:55):
or plastic.
Yeah.
So it's just, I just don'tunderstand it.
I can't understand it actually.
And there's the other thingabout going from glass bottles.
To cartons and then back toclear plastic bottles.
Mm-hmm.
So they went to cartons becausethe sunlight destroyed the
vitamin A in the milk.
Oh, right.
And so then they said, okay,we'll put them in cartons and
(12:17):
we'll protect the milk.
And then they've gone completelythe other way and put them back
in clear stuff.
But plastic this time instead ofglass.
So you're still getting thevitamin.
And they destroyed.
But it's now in plastic.
MIC2-1 (12:28):
But it's now in
MIC3-1 (12:29):
plastic.
So it's,
MIC2-1 (12:30):
it's now le
MIC3-1 (12:30):
it's only leaching in plastic.
MIC2-1 (12:32):
they're trying to
MIC3-1 (12:33):
kill us.
MIC3-2 (12:35):
Literally whole modern medicine needs to kick up the
ass But people say, oh, oh, soyou don't really believe in
traditional medicine.
I've heard that before.
And I'm like, what?
But traditional medicine is whatI do believe in.
That's the herbs.
MIC2-2 (12:49):
That's
MIC3-2 (12:50):
all the stuff that's been going on for thousands of
years.
MIC2-2 (12:53):
I Alopathic medicine, which
MIC3-2 (12:55):
is treating symptoms, has only been around for what,
just over a hundred years.
Yeah.
MIC2-2 (12:59):
Yeah.
that's traditional.
That's not traditional.
To me, that's alternative.
Yes.
That's contemporary.
MIC3-2 (13:06):
years and years and years and years is the stuff.
And now this very new stuff tome is alternative, but they
seem, I just feel, am I anidiot?
Am I that stupid that,
MIC2-2 (13:15):
No,
MIC3-2 (13:16):
because that doesn't make sense to me.
No, they're actually, they'remisbranding it.
They, what they should be sayingis mainstream medicine or
allopathic medicine.
MIC2-2 (13:25):
Allopathic
MIC3-2 (13:26):
Is treat is treating a single.
System in the body.
Respiratory, circulatory,mm-hmm.
And it treats the symptoms ofthat.
So you come to me, you've got acough, I'm gonna treat the
cough.
I'm not actually gonna try andfigure out why, why you have a
cough.
Yeah, yeah.
Or support your system mm-hmm.
To have Oh, okay.
System for that cough.
So that's naturopathy.
(13:47):
So that's a holistic mm-hmm.
Model.
Mm-hmm.
So we are look like you'relooking at everything within the
body.
And to support that.
MIC2-2 (13:56):
And the cough
MIC3-2 (13:56):
is just to get rid of what's in the body, right?
Mm-hmm.
So you cough because you've gotphlegm or you've got something
you wanna bring up.
So why would, why do you wannasuppress it and suppress that
and dampen it and let your bodyget rid of it?
Like a fever, right?
Yeah.
When you, you're fighting aninfection.
MIC2-2 (14:14):
yes, your body
MIC3-2 (14:15):
Yeah.
Builds up heat mm-hmm.
To get rid of the virus.
Oh no.
Let's give them some Panadol toreduce their fever.
Okay.
So let's just let the virusmultiply in a very chilled
environment without any fever.
Yeah.
Like, it's crazy.
So anyway, sorry, I digress.
And people think you're brave ifyou use the But I think you're
(14:38):
brave to use the new stuff.
That's what I was saying beforein another episode.
I don't feel very brave when I'msticking with something that's
tried and tested for years andyears and years and years and
years.
Totally.
I think the people that go tothe chemist and get the scripts
and do that, I think they are sobrave, Especially hats off to
MIC2-2 (14:55):
they actually read, they're so graphic.
Yeah.
If they read N it and it says
MIC3-2 (15:00):
A rare side effect of this medication is dizzy spells
and seizures.
And they still do
MIC2-2 (15:06):
it.
And they still do
MIC3-2 (15:08):
it.
Yeah.
MIC2-2 (15:09):
Far
MIC3-2 (15:09):
Far out.
You're brave.
Yeah.
MIC2-2 (15:11):
Right.
Because you know what?
Rare
MIC3-2 (15:12):
as common as one in a thousand.
So the actual definition of rareis between one in a thousand to
one in 10,000.
That's not very rare.
That's not rare.
MIC2-2 (15:23):
And then though, if you go on the other side of the,
take these herbs.
God be with you.
Yeah.
If this shit doesn't work wellwhat?
What's gonna happen?
MIC3-2 (15:36):
Yeah.
You're no worse
MIC2-2 (15:37):
off.
It didn't work.
MIC3-2 (15:39):
No, that's right.
Yeah.
You've got nothing to lose, haveyou?
MIC2-2 (15:42):
no.
Yeah.
When people roll their eyes atme, when I say, oh, try
echinacea, or have like lemonand honey in, they're like,
MIC3-2 (15:53):
but it works.
It actually works.
MIC2-2 (15:56):
that, there's properties out of certain things that have
grown on this earth for likealoe, vera on burns, and
MIC3-2 (16:04):
a hundred percent
MIC2-2 (16:05):
Like it's a plant that is natural.
MIC3-2 (16:09):
Do you know one thing though, that I read somewhere or
someone told me, and it's sotrue, if all these
pharmaceuticals and medicinesand whatever was about your
health, then wouldn't the peoplewho are taking the most pills be
our healthiest people?
Yes.
Yes.
MIC2-2 (16:24):
Yes.
MIC3-2 (16:27):
Hundred percent.
MIC2-2 (16:28):
But
MIC3-2 (16:28):
don't you find that the people that are taking the least
amount of pills are ourhealthiest people?
Yes.
So then
MIC2-2 (16:34):
more pills.
More pills.
MIC3-2 (16:35):
about health.
MIC2-2 (16:36):
Yeah.
Yeah.
MIC3-2 (16:37):
So they don't make you healthy.
MIC2-2 (16:39):
Absolutely.
Do we
MIC3-2 (16:41):
got off of track'cause it was about milk.
We were talking
MIC2-2 (16:44):
right.
MIC3-2 (16:44):
milk.
Yeah,
MIC2-2 (16:45):
But
MIC3-2 (16:45):
the point being
MIC2-2 (16:46):
that
MIC3-2 (16:47):
if it was about health and safety and preventing death
from raw milk, then nopharmaceuticals Mm.
That's simple.
Mm-hmm.
If it was about our health, mm,
MIC2-2 (17:01):
it all comes back to the same
MIC3-2 (17:04):
money,
MIC2-2 (17:04):
money, money.
MIC3-2 (17:07):
Oh.
MIC2-2 (17:09):
Love it, love it.
Alright, we, we
MIC3-2 (17:14):
a wrap.
MIC2-2 (17:15):
We need to wrap it up.
Goodnight people.
Goodnight.
We love you.
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