October 7, 2025 • 29 mins
“Treat marketing like storytelling instead of advertising…” - Saleema Ishq
In this episode, thriller author and TikTok book marketing influencer Saleema Ishq joins me to talk about the craft of writing page-turning stories and how to grow your readership through BookTok.
In this conversation, we dive into:
- Her latest release, Sisters Arcana, an edge-of-your-seat psychological thriller
- How she crafts a story that keep readers hooked
- What actually works when marketing books on social media (and what doesn’t)
- Her best tips for authors on writing and social media marketing
About Saleema:
Saleema Ishq is a former copywriter turned award-winning thriller author who accidentally fell in love with book marketing while launching her debut novel. Since then, she’s sold thousands of books, built a TikTok community of 16k+ readers, and picked up a few awards and media shoutouts along the way (all without burning out or selling out). Now she helps other authors do the same, making marketing feel authentic, sustainable, and even fun.
Free Social Media Kit for TSP listeners from Salmeema:
Resources mentioned in our podcast:
- Quill and Cup (women’s writing group): https://www.quillandcup.com
- Editor Nicole Meier: https://nicolemeier.com
Connect with Saleema on:
- TikTok: saleemaishq
- Instagram: saleemaishq
- Website: www.fearlessphrases.com
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UNKNOWN (00:00):
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
What's up, plot twisters, and a warm welcome to
my page turners, the intriguedreaders and listeners who are
just stepping into the story.
Whatever title you fancy today,I am so happy you're here with
us.
You're listening toTraditionally Self-Published,
where we unravel the chaos ofself-publishing and help you
write your own success storylike a pro.
I'm your host, MikaMerrill-Rice, author with a
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passion for learning and sharingthe love.
I'm bringing you real talk withpublishing pros and indie
authors just like me who flipthe script and built thriving
author careers on their ownterms and are doing it like a
pro.
So whether you're a first-timeauthor or you're a seasoned pro,
you're right where you need tobe.
All right, today we are talkingall things scary from someone
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who not only wrote apsychological thriller but also
knows what it takes to navigatethe terrifying world of
marketing a book through socialmedia.
So if you've ever wondered whatseparates a scary author to one
we can't wait to scream about,this episode is for you.
you.
I'm joined today by Salima Ishq,author of Sisters Arcana, a
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psychological thriller, andshe's also a TikTok marketing
influencer who gives you easyand actionable ideas for posts
you can create to help grow yourauthor brand.
So today we're going to talkabout her latest release,
Sisters Arcana, crafting a pageturner, unraveling the world of
TikTok book marketing, and thenwe're going to conclude with my
Inkstarter lightning round andSalima's five best tips for
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authors.
So let's be Bold, Write Smart,and Learn How to Keep Readers
Turning the Pages.
Welcome, Salima.
It's so nice to have you.
Thank you.
I'm so excited to be here.
All right.
Well, let's get started.
I have so many questions for youon your book.
So Sisters Arcana, tell me alittle bit about your latest
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thriller.
What's the hook that's going tograb readers?
SPEAKER_01 (01:57):
The hook.
I'm all about hooking readersand hooking authors as well on
social media.
So Sisters Arcana And my hook istwo estranged sisters reunite to
decode cryptic tarot messagesthat take them back to a
childhood trauma that they arenow reliving as adults.
Awesome.
And where did you get this ideafrom?
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All of my stories are inspiredby my deepest fears.
And truthfully, tarot, tarotcards are one of my big fears.
I'm really familiar with Oraclecards, but tarot, the fact that
it involves the death cardalways kind of freaked me out.
So I wanted to incorporate thatinto the story, as well as
strange sisters.
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I have two sisters, we're very,very close.
So this big what if that popsinto my head, what if we weren't
close?
What if we weren't in eachother's lives?
So that was kind of theinspiration for the story.
And then it just unfolded fromthere.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
That's great.
Yes, I read the book.
And it is like, again, just sounique, because you're blending
like this, the tarot cards andthis like a little bit of magic.
And then you're blending it withthis like dual point of view and
these different timelines.
And it was just so different, Ithink, than any of the recent
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psychological thrillers thatI've read.
So it was a really, really greatread for me.
So one of the questions, anotherquestion that I have, speaking
of like, you know, kind ofdealing with the dual timelines
and the point of views, like howdid you balance your plot twist
with those believablecharacters?
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
That's such a good question.
I had it formatted to have thedual timelines.
And I really leaned into thecharacter development, I knew I
wanted that to be a really bigpiece, as well as this character
with mental health conditions,that's also a really big theme.
So that's where I started.
And the plot twists kind of cameabout by getting to know the
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characters.
And I feel like I was always oneof those writers who, when
people would say, Oh, mycharacters kind of led me down
this path, my character's toldme this, I was always like, Oh,
yeah, sure.
But now I get it.
My characters took me on thisride.
And they're the ones thatrevealed these big twists and
turns to me.
So it just kind of came up likethat.
SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
Yes.
Yeah, I definitely picked up onthat.
With the character, just the waythat like math that she does
was, you know, it's it, it wasjust so well done, very
tastefully done.
I really liked that.
And it really gave me a sensefor who she was.
um in this book so great job forthat thank you um all right so
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when you did this book did youhave in mind that you were ever
going to do a series like isthere a potential for that or is
this just kind of like astandalone story
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
that's a question i get a lot because i did kind of
leave it open to a potentialsequel it's not a cliffhanger um
for anyone who has not read itbut it does leave some things
open i truthfully i preferwriting standalones simply
because i feel like when I'mdone with the book, I'm closing
the book on that chapter andkind of letting my characters
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go.
So I think in the future, therecould potentially be a time when
I come back and write a sequelor I potentially might have a
series.
But for now, I kind of let thesecharacters go out into the world
and I'm moving on to anotherstory.
SPEAKER_00 (05:24):
Very nice.
All right.
Let's talk about crafting thatpage, Turner.
I want to know how you planthis.
So you, again, dual point ofview.
you are doing two differenttimelines.
Is this something that you hadto have a process for planning?
Or did like, did you sit downand plan out every detail?
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Or did you just sit and you'relike, all right, we're just
going?
SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
I'm a bit of a planter.
So I had a plan for how I wasgoing to do every other chapter,
approximately every otherchapter as a now and then, and
alternate back between those twotimelines.
But other than that, I didn'treally have a plan.
No, as I mentioned, thecharacters kind of took me on
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that ride.
And that's how I went about it.
But but I did start with a fewplot points.
I use a seven point arc, whichNicole recommended to me, Nicole
Meyer.
So I really enjoyed using theselandmarks as places that I was
writing to, but everything elsekind of fell into place and took
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me on these twists and turns.
SPEAKER_00 (06:32):
The benefits of having a wonderful editor for
sure.
All right.
How did you structure suspenseand your reveals?
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
I really enjoy cliffhanger chapter endings.
So that was a big thing that Iimplemented because I want my
readers to be constantly turningthe page and needing to read one
more chapter, one more chapter.
So I think that's kind of how Idialed up the suspense.
I also use physical, physicalfeelings and emotions as a big
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part of that suspense.
suspense.
I really tried to put myself inmy character's shoes.
And there's a lot of anxiety,again, mental health that I've
incorporated into this book,which is a lot of it is from
experience.
So I was writing fromexperience.
And so it was easy for me to putmyself in my character's shoes
and feel that tension, feel thatanxiety.
But I think that really dialedup the suspense as well.
SPEAKER_00 (07:27):
Yeah, I definitely got that.
And I, now that you're sayinglike, about how you did the end
of the chapters, it totally madesense because I would be reading
and I'm getting to the end andI'm like all right this is it
I'm not going to read any morechapters because I'm super tired
and I get to the end I'm likeall right I can hang because I
read it on my my e-reader so italways tell me like four more
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minutes and I'm like okay Icould do four more minutes six
more minutes okay I could do sixmore minutes and it just kept
going so definitely appreciatedthe cliffhangers that came at
the end of each chapter to keepgoing because I think it helps
like it it just kept meinterested kept me going through
the story so When you beganplotting out the story, did you
kind of have like an ending inmind or did you just sort of
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build to this of surprise?
Just like you were saying, likeyou let the characters kind of
speak to you and they kind ofshow you where the ending is
going or you just kind of hadthat North Star already there.
I
SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
had a bit of an idea of how it was going to end, what
the resolution was going to be,but there was a big twist at the
end that I had no idea wascoming.
So no, I didn't really know whenI set out to write this.
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
But setting was something that I really had to
incorporate in my second, thirddrafts.
But when it comes to setting, Ireally like to write what I
know.
I enjoy being in the setting inorder to describe it.
So I set this book in NewMexico, which is where I live on
the Rio Grande.
So a lot of it was from myexperience.
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And now future stories that I'mwriting, I know I need to go to
these places in order to reallynail the setting and get it
right.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (09:33):
that's awesome.
Yeah.
don't hear about too many bookswith the setting in New Mexico.
So I thought that was reallycool.
And it's a beautiful place.
I've been to Taos, I've been toSanta Fe.
Yeah, so it is really nice.
The way you described thesetting, the way you described,
you know, even like the groundand you know, like the terrain
and stuff like that was reallynice.
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Very atmospheric, and itdefinitely helped paint like a
really nice picture.
All right, so let's talk aboutthe saggy middle a little bit.
So how do you approach thepacing So there is no saggy
middle, which by the way, foranybody listening, there was no
saggy middle here.
It just kept going.
But how did you like, how didyou keep that pace going?
SPEAKER_01 (10:15):
That a lot of that was in edits too.
I think my subsequent draftsdraft one was really, I was
skipping a lot throughout.
I know that I had my structureof then and now my chapter set,
but I would just simply skip achapter.
If I felt like I I didn't,wasn't in the zone to write that
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or wasn't really in the rightmindset.
So draft two, draft three,that's where it was really fine
tuning that middle.
Um, that's where a lot of thetwists and kind of red herrings
popped up and I incorporatedthem there.
So that is what I did.
Um, I don't know how, what, whatis your, what do you do?
SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
I, I think, um, I think just like having fun with
it, trying to have as much funwith it as you can but also just
like like you said you can'tstop at the first draft you have
to keep going until you kind ofenjoy your book I think as
writers I'm sure you willprobably agree you will get to a
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point where you really like yourbook you're never going to fully
love it because you're alwaysgoing to look at it and think I
could have done that a littlebit better but I think like if
you can get through the book andyou read it and you're like
really genuinely kind of excitedabout it then And I noticed I
said kind of, I think that'swhen you've nailed the middle.
Oh,
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
no, that resonates.
Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly.
And I actually just, I justrecorded my audio book.
So I had to read my book overagain.
And I still there are parts thatstick out to me like, oh, I
could have done that better.
But overall, it Yeah, it wasready.
SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
Awesome.
So I know a lot of like indieauthors opt to hire somebody, a
lot of them actually opt torecord it themselves.
Some don't do it at all, butwhat did you find was the
hardest about recording your ownbook?
SPEAKER_01 (12:15):
Well, I'm still in the process.
It's not out yet because therecording part was not as
challenging as I expected it tobe, but it's listening to my
voice now and going through tomake the edits that is really
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
painful.
So I think that that's been themost most challenging part
awesome and I know we didn'tthis is like not like a question
I was going to ask but since youhaven't like put it out there
yet when do you think thatyou'll put your audio book out
there like when can listeners beready to listen to Salima's
voice on her own book
SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
oh I was thinking about doing it as a one year
celebration for my one year pubday December 12th so
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
awesome Look
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
out for
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
it in December.
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All right.
Let's go to TikTok influencing.
So for those that don't know,Salima has a giant following on
TikTok.
This is actually like I foundyou first through your editor.
Then I started looking for yoursocials and you have this huge
following on TikTok.
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So TikTok influencing.
This was like huge for mebecause TikTok is such a huge
platform for books, the booktalk community, obviously.
And but it can be veryintimidating as well.
And I think that you do a verygood job of like breaking down
tips for authors, things thatthey can do to like easily
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record stuff that doesn't takeany time, stuff that doesn't
require a face.
So let's go into how you dothat.
So how did you start usingTikTok for book marketing?
It
SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
was all an experiment.
I was really curious aboutTikTok after a quilling cup
education And so I think my bookhad just published when I got
onto TikTok and it was just allexperimentation for me.
I started posting and I noticedthat people were getting really
creative, but people had a lotof questions.
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So I just started talking aboutmy experience, indie publishing,
things I wish I'd known when Ifirst published.
And then because I enjoymarketing so much and I loved
talking about marketing my book,that's kind of what I did.
but I fell into and startedcreating content around that.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
Awesome.
What types of content do youthink connect most with readers?
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
That's a great question.
I think authentic content.
TikTok is, in my opinion, alittle messy, a little chaotic,
which I love.
It's just really raw and real.
So people can show up with nomakeup on.
People can show up in theirpajamas, going for a walk with
their dog.
And really giving that sneakpeek behind what it's like to be
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an author and what it's like topublish a book or write a book.
SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
Yeah.
Do you think that the focusshould be like selling books
directly or more building brandawareness?
SPEAKER_01 (15:47):
Absolutely building brand awareness.
I do work with authors who haveTikTok shops where they sell
their books themselves.
And while those can be verysuccessful, in my opinion, in my
experience, a lot of aspiringauthors and authors have found a
lot of opportunities withbuilding their brand and their
community, making connectionswith readers, finding ARC
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readers, and then ultimatelybringing them into their circle,
bringing them to maybe otherplatforms or their website where
they can buy their books.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
Very nice.
And what are some of themistakes you think authors make
when marketing on social media?
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
Oh, a couple of the ones off the top of my head are
not being consistent.
I think that authors think thatthey can post once a month and
that they're, platform is goingto grow and consistency is
really important.
That doesn't mean that you needto post every single day, but
you need to have a consistentschedule or not even a schedule.
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I see authors that get reallycaught up in the numbers of view
counts and thinking that theycan post just a couple of times
and that their posts will goviral.
And that certainly can happen,but consistency is really the
most important thing.
And that doesn't need to beposting every single day, but
that needs to be postingconsistently and not looking at
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your view counts or yourfollower counts and focusing on
using it to connect with peopleand again build your brand it's
kind of like a portfolio evenbecause then when people
discover your book they're goingto look you up on social they're
going to see your tiktok yourinstagram and that's where
they'll follow you and followyour journey
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
i need to follow your advice i could have used
you like a year ago because ihad no i'm like i am going to
post one tiktok video it's goingto go super viral and then i'm
never going to touch it again itdefinitely does not work that
way but yeah still learning umbut learning from the pros
learning from the very best andI'm happy to have you here to
help us along all right I'm herefor yes for sure all right so
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you you obviously spend sometime like um doing your your
videos um and maybe you batchthose or maybe you do them like
every day but how much do youdedicate to content creation
versus like your writing do youlike what's your schedule for
doing marketing videos orwhatever videos you do on TikTok
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versus your actual writing?
SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
I spend a lot more time writing.
I'd say it's about 25% socialand marketing and then 75%
writing because that's whatfills my cup.
While I love marketing, I knowthat that is my priority is
writing the books.
And I know a lot of authors feelthat way, which is why when they
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tell me, oh, Selima, I spentthree hours on this post and it
got 12 views.
I'm like, we don't need to bespending that much time on it.
Because as I mentioned, TikTokis kind of raw and imperfect.
And that's what I know that asauthors, we, we have that editor
brain, we want everything to beperfect that we put out there,
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but it really doesn't need tobe.
So I do batch my content, likeyou said, I'll sit down, usually
in my car, usually when I'mparked in my driveway, and film
like six videos.
And that can take me maybe 20minutes.
And then I'll just edit itreally quickly and post them.
SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
That's awesome.
I really appreciate that advicebecause I think you're right.
I think that we as authors dospend a lot of time editing.
I know that I get superfrustrated because I'll spend
like a ton of time on a singlevideo, like maybe like an hour,
and then it won't get that muchtraction.
And then another one, I think Imade like a silly video.
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I'm like, all right, this looksgood.
This is like a fun little, youknow, audio clip I'm gonna use
this and I'm not even gonna saya word I'm just gonna be doing
something at my computer and itgot like over a thousand views
and I'm like okay so clearly Ineed to rethink like what I'm
doing I love that you justmentioned that it is messy it is
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imperfect it's not meant to belike this polished I don't know
almost Instagram feel because Ifeel like Instagram maybe is a
little bit more polished andTikTok is a little more like
just get on say something andthen let it be all right so what
about us thriller authors Like,do you have any specific
marketing approaches that maybework better for us since we're
in spooky season officially?
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So I got to know, what is it forthriller authors?
SPEAKER_01 (20:14):
Yeah, leaning into the spooky season, I think, you
know, countdowns to Halloweenare perfect.
And even when we're not inspooky season, just leaning into
the suspense.
They say you only have the firstthree seconds to hook your
viewer on social media.
So make that three secondsreally grabbing with a
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suspenseful hook, with stockvideo, stock images, with the
audio, really bring in thefeeling of that spooky,
unsettling premise or twist andlean into that.
That's what I suggest for all ofmy thriller, horror, mystery
authors.
SPEAKER_00 (20:51):
All right.
How about cross promotion?
So this is a question I actuallyknow nothing about.
So I will, you know, maybe dolike a post on TikTok and then I
might save that down to my myphone and then repost it on
Instagram but do you recommendthat or do you recommend maybe
doing different thingspersonally it feels a little
overwhelming but you're theexpert so you tell me do you
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cross post what you put onTikTok everywhere else
SPEAKER_01 (21:17):
I do to a point so I look at TikTok again as kind of
this just throwing ideas outthere and seeing what lands um
and then the TikToks that dowell I will typically take to
YouTube and to Instagram likeyou mentioned Instagram is kind
of a little more prim andproper.
Aesthetics are a little bit moreimportant on Instagram.
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So if it doesn't align with mygrid, I might not post it or
I'll put like a cover photo overit.
But you don't really need to dothat.
But I will create carouselsspecifically for Instagram.
The only thing that you reallyneed to know is don't post from
Instagram to TikTok.
TikTok is not like that.
But you can post from TikTokeverywhere else.
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And then you're working smarter,not harder.
You're repurposing your contentAnd to that end, I'll also
repurpose captions.
If I have a caption that Ireally liked on TikTok, I'll
turn that into a carousel forInstagram, or I'll just take
that and post it on Facebook.
So just repurpose, reuseeverything because it's all
content and it's all important.
SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
Awesome.
I love that.
That's great advice.
Um, what about services ormaterials that can help authors
who'd like a little extra help?
I know that I personally havebought your materials.
They were super helpful.
Um, But I I'm sure you have atreasure trove of other things
that you offer.
So tell us what those materialsare.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
I have a couple of different digital offerings.
I have my author visibilityvault with over 100 ideas,
content ideas.
They some of them are facelesscontent ideas, because I know
there are a lot of authors outthere who don't show their face
or write under a pen name forprivacy.
So there are plenty of ideas todo that aren't face to camera.
I also have my A plus contenttemplates that you can use on
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Amazon for eight plus.
And I do take consultations andwork with authors one-on-one as
well.
SPEAKER_00 (23:09):
Okay.
Salima, we have made it to theink starter lightning round.
Who is your favorite thrillerauthor or inspiration?
I
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
look to Lucinda Berry for inspiration.
She is a child psychologist andjust incorporates so much mental
health and suspense.
I see you nodding.
Are you, do you like LucindaBerry too?
SPEAKER_00 (23:32):
Oh my gosh.
That's how I started my newyear's this year was saving Noah
and it wrecked me.
I'm like, Oh
SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
my gosh,
SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
she's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (23:41):
All
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
right.
Last book you read that youcould not put down
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
near the bone by Christina Henry.
It's more of a horror thriller.
I'm kind of dabbling in horror,but I really enjoyed that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
Awesome.
What about fast and furious plottwist or slow burns for life?
SPEAKER_01 (24:01):
Fast and furious all the way.
SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
Yeah, definitely.
I am down for that.
Okay, matcha tea or cookiesduring your writing sesh?
SPEAKER_01 (24:08):
Matcha! I'm
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
a matcha girly.
Awesome.
Wildest thing you've everresearched for your books now
that are going to live on yourbrowser search history forever?
Probably
SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
how much water it takes for someone to drown.
SPEAKER_00 (24:27):
We say this, but we say it with a smile.
We're like a little bit saltyand sweet.
I love it.
All right.
One word that describes yourideal reader.
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
Inquisitive.
I really like readers to want tofeel like they're unraveling the
story along with the characters.
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
Very nice.
All right.
And we're going to wrap this upwith your five best tips for
authors.
So here you're going to sharefive tips.
Anything that you want could bemarketing or book.
What can our authors do that arelistening to the show that they
can put into action today tohelp elevate their writing to
the next level?
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Yeah, I have a couple of a combination of
writing tips and marketing tips.
My first one is lower the bar.
I know this might sound kind ofcounterintuitive, but I really
like just using open thedocument as my every day I open
the doc.
It's super simple goal andopening up your manuscript every
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day could be a sentence.
It could turn into a thousandwords.
but lowering that bar has helpedme a lot with my progress.
Number two, treat marketing likestorytelling instead of
advertising.
I like thinking about it as anextension of our creative
storytelling.
And I think that if otherauthors looked at it that way,
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it might make it a little bitmore fun, a little less painful.
So that's my suggestion.
Number three, create content forreaders, not the algorithm.
So think about your ideal readerevery time you put something out
there rather than what is thisgoing to be trendy?
Is this going to go viral?
Is someone going to go, hey,that book looks really good.
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I'm going to put it on my TBR.
Number four is master oneplatform before going on all of
them.
I always tell authors start withone or two that you feel
comfortable with or that youknow that your ideal reader is
on rather than trying to posteverywhere unless you're
repurposing and cross posting.
And number five find your peopleI know that we can both kind of
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speak to having a community ofwriters and surrounding yourself
with like-minded writers andreaders having that
encouragement and theaccountability helps so much
makes the whole process so muchless lonely as well
SPEAKER_00 (26:50):
I totally agree it's something that I wish I would
have had six years ago when Istarted finding Quill and Cup
for me has been huge finding allof our little Hedgie sisters in
there has been fantastic So Iagree.
If you're out there and you arejust starting out, finding a
community of writers is the, Ithink, like the biggest step you
(27:14):
can take because you can have aplace to be your messy self and
ask questions.
So this was awesome, Salima.
Thank you so much.
A couple of things I want to dobefore we close off today.
Where can listeners find yourbooks?
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Oh, my books can be found wherever you find books.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
I know.
Awesome.
And how can we follow you onTikTok and other platforms?
SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
Oh, I'm Salima Ish.
I'm at Salima Ish on allplatforms.
But yeah, most active on TikTok,Instagram, Facebook.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Awesome.
And then do you have anyupcoming releases or events you
want us to know about?
I
SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
don't have a date set yet for my next release, but
my audio book of Sisters Arcanawill be out this
SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
winter.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, thank you so much, Salima.
Lima, this has been so much fun.
I am so glad to finally meet youlike face to face.
Yeah.
And yes, I hope I wish you thesuccess with your audio book.
Again, Sisters Arcana is outeverywhere.
If you want to get it at yourindie bookstore, you want to get
on Amazon.
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She's everywhere.
You want to get her book and youare going to love this unique
read.
So thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for listening to thisepisode of Traditionally
Self-Published.
If this episode helped yousubscribe leave a review and
share with your author andreader friends like and be sure
to check the first episode whereI share a bit about how this all
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came to be and why building ahelpful community is so
important until next time bebold write smart and keep
turning those pages music
Thank you.
SPEAKER_00 (00:04):
What's up, plot twisters, and a warm welcome to
my page turners, the intriguedreaders and listeners who are
just stepping into the story.
Whatever title you fancy today,I am so happy you're here with
us.
You're listening toTraditionally Self-Published,
where we unravel the chaos ofself-publishing and help you
write your own success storylike a pro.
I'm your host, MikaMerrill-Rice, author with a
(00:27):
passion for learning and sharingthe love.
I'm bringing you real talk withpublishing pros and indie
authors just like me who flipthe script and built thriving
author careers on their ownterms and are doing it like a
pro.
So whether you're a first-timeauthor or you're a seasoned pro,
you're right where you need tobe.
All right, today we are talkingall things scary from someone
(00:50):
who not only wrote apsychological thriller but also
knows what it takes to navigatethe terrifying world of
marketing a book through socialmedia.
So if you've ever wondered whatseparates a scary author to one
we can't wait to scream about,this episode is for you.
you.
I'm joined today by Salima Ishq,author of Sisters Arcana, a
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psychological thriller, andshe's also a TikTok marketing
influencer who gives you easyand actionable ideas for posts
you can create to help grow yourauthor brand.
So today we're going to talkabout her latest release,
Sisters Arcana, crafting a pageturner, unraveling the world of
TikTok book marketing, and thenwe're going to conclude with my
Inkstarter lightning round andSalima's five best tips for
(01:33):
authors.
So let's be Bold, Write Smart,and Learn How to Keep Readers
Turning the Pages.
Welcome, Salima.
It's so nice to have you.
Thank you.
I'm so excited to be here.
All right.
Well, let's get started.
I have so many questions for youon your book.
So Sisters Arcana, tell me alittle bit about your latest
(01:53):
thriller.
What's the hook that's going tograb readers?
SPEAKER_01 (01:57):
The hook.
I'm all about hooking readersand hooking authors as well on
social media.
So Sisters Arcana And my hook istwo estranged sisters reunite to
decode cryptic tarot messagesthat take them back to a
childhood trauma that they arenow reliving as adults.
Awesome.
And where did you get this ideafrom?
(02:19):
All of my stories are inspiredby my deepest fears.
And truthfully, tarot, tarotcards are one of my big fears.
I'm really familiar with Oraclecards, but tarot, the fact that
it involves the death cardalways kind of freaked me out.
So I wanted to incorporate thatinto the story, as well as
strange sisters.
(02:40):
I have two sisters, we're very,very close.
So this big what if that popsinto my head, what if we weren't
close?
What if we weren't in eachother's lives?
So that was kind of theinspiration for the story.
And then it just unfolded fromthere.
SPEAKER_00 (02:52):
That's great.
Yes, I read the book.
And it is like, again, just sounique, because you're blending
like this, the tarot cards andthis like a little bit of magic.
And then you're blending it withthis like dual point of view and
these different timelines.
And it was just so different, Ithink, than any of the recent
(03:14):
psychological thrillers thatI've read.
So it was a really, really greatread for me.
So one of the questions, anotherquestion that I have, speaking
of like, you know, kind ofdealing with the dual timelines
and the point of views, like howdid you balance your plot twist
with those believablecharacters?
SPEAKER_01 (03:34):
That's such a good question.
I had it formatted to have thedual timelines.
And I really leaned into thecharacter development, I knew I
wanted that to be a really bigpiece, as well as this character
with mental health conditions,that's also a really big theme.
So that's where I started.
And the plot twists kind of cameabout by getting to know the
(03:57):
characters.
And I feel like I was always oneof those writers who, when
people would say, Oh, mycharacters kind of led me down
this path, my character's toldme this, I was always like, Oh,
yeah, sure.
But now I get it.
My characters took me on thisride.
And they're the ones thatrevealed these big twists and
turns to me.
So it just kind of came up likethat.
SPEAKER_00 (04:18):
Yes.
Yeah, I definitely picked up onthat.
With the character, just the waythat like math that she does
was, you know, it's it, it wasjust so well done, very
tastefully done.
I really liked that.
And it really gave me a sensefor who she was.
um in this book so great job forthat thank you um all right so
(04:39):
when you did this book did youhave in mind that you were ever
going to do a series like isthere a potential for that or is
this just kind of like astandalone story
SPEAKER_01 (04:47):
that's a question i get a lot because i did kind of
leave it open to a potentialsequel it's not a cliffhanger um
for anyone who has not read itbut it does leave some things
open i truthfully i preferwriting standalones simply
because i feel like when I'mdone with the book, I'm closing
the book on that chapter andkind of letting my characters
(05:09):
go.
So I think in the future, therecould potentially be a time when
I come back and write a sequelor I potentially might have a
series.
But for now, I kind of let thesecharacters go out into the world
and I'm moving on to anotherstory.
SPEAKER_00 (05:24):
Very nice.
All right.
Let's talk about crafting thatpage, Turner.
I want to know how you planthis.
So you, again, dual point ofview.
you are doing two differenttimelines.
Is this something that you hadto have a process for planning?
Or did like, did you sit downand plan out every detail?
(05:45):
Or did you just sit and you'relike, all right, we're just
going?
SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
I'm a bit of a planter.
So I had a plan for how I wasgoing to do every other chapter,
approximately every otherchapter as a now and then, and
alternate back between those twotimelines.
But other than that, I didn'treally have a plan.
No, as I mentioned, thecharacters kind of took me on
(06:09):
that ride.
And that's how I went about it.
But but I did start with a fewplot points.
I use a seven point arc, whichNicole recommended to me, Nicole
Meyer.
So I really enjoyed using theselandmarks as places that I was
writing to, but everything elsekind of fell into place and took
(06:30):
me on these twists and turns.
SPEAKER_00 (06:32):
The benefits of having a wonderful editor for
sure.
All right.
How did you structure suspenseand your reveals?
SPEAKER_01 (06:42):
I really enjoy cliffhanger chapter endings.
So that was a big thing that Iimplemented because I want my
readers to be constantly turningthe page and needing to read one
more chapter, one more chapter.
So I think that's kind of how Idialed up the suspense.
I also use physical, physicalfeelings and emotions as a big
(07:03):
part of that suspense.
suspense.
I really tried to put myself inmy character's shoes.
And there's a lot of anxiety,again, mental health that I've
incorporated into this book,which is a lot of it is from
experience.
So I was writing fromexperience.
And so it was easy for me to putmyself in my character's shoes
and feel that tension, feel thatanxiety.
But I think that really dialedup the suspense as well.
SPEAKER_00 (07:27):
Yeah, I definitely got that.
And I, now that you're sayinglike, about how you did the end
of the chapters, it totally madesense because I would be reading
and I'm getting to the end andI'm like all right this is it
I'm not going to read any morechapters because I'm super tired
and I get to the end I'm likeall right I can hang because I
read it on my my e-reader so italways tell me like four more
(07:48):
minutes and I'm like okay Icould do four more minutes six
more minutes okay I could do sixmore minutes and it just kept
going so definitely appreciatedthe cliffhangers that came at
the end of each chapter to keepgoing because I think it helps
like it it just kept meinterested kept me going through
the story so When you beganplotting out the story, did you
kind of have like an ending inmind or did you just sort of
(08:10):
build to this of surprise?
Just like you were saying, likeyou let the characters kind of
speak to you and they kind ofshow you where the ending is
going or you just kind of hadthat North Star already there.
I
SPEAKER_01 (08:21):
had a bit of an idea of how it was going to end, what
the resolution was going to be,but there was a big twist at the
end that I had no idea wascoming.
So no, I didn't really know whenI set out to write this.
SPEAKER_00 (08:34):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (09:04):
But setting was something that I really had to
incorporate in my second, thirddrafts.
But when it comes to setting, Ireally like to write what I
know.
I enjoy being in the setting inorder to describe it.
So I set this book in NewMexico, which is where I live on
the Rio Grande.
So a lot of it was from myexperience.
(09:24):
And now future stories that I'mwriting, I know I need to go to
these places in order to reallynail the setting and get it
right.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_00 (09:33):
that's awesome.
Yeah.
don't hear about too many bookswith the setting in New Mexico.
So I thought that was reallycool.
And it's a beautiful place.
I've been to Taos, I've been toSanta Fe.
Yeah, so it is really nice.
The way you described thesetting, the way you described,
you know, even like the groundand you know, like the terrain
and stuff like that was reallynice.
(09:54):
Very atmospheric, and itdefinitely helped paint like a
really nice picture.
All right, so let's talk aboutthe saggy middle a little bit.
So how do you approach thepacing So there is no saggy
middle, which by the way, foranybody listening, there was no
saggy middle here.
It just kept going.
But how did you like, how didyou keep that pace going?
SPEAKER_01 (10:15):
That a lot of that was in edits too.
I think my subsequent draftsdraft one was really, I was
skipping a lot throughout.
I know that I had my structureof then and now my chapter set,
but I would just simply skip achapter.
If I felt like I I didn't,wasn't in the zone to write that
(10:37):
or wasn't really in the rightmindset.
So draft two, draft three,that's where it was really fine
tuning that middle.
Um, that's where a lot of thetwists and kind of red herrings
popped up and I incorporatedthem there.
So that is what I did.
Um, I don't know how, what, whatis your, what do you do?
SPEAKER_00 (10:58):
I, I think, um, I think just like having fun with
it, trying to have as much funwith it as you can but also just
like like you said you can'tstop at the first draft you have
to keep going until you kind ofenjoy your book I think as
writers I'm sure you willprobably agree you will get to a
(11:20):
point where you really like yourbook you're never going to fully
love it because you're alwaysgoing to look at it and think I
could have done that a littlebit better but I think like if
you can get through the book andyou read it and you're like
really genuinely kind of excitedabout it then And I noticed I
said kind of, I think that'swhen you've nailed the middle.
Oh,
SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
no, that resonates.
Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly.
And I actually just, I justrecorded my audio book.
So I had to read my book overagain.
And I still there are parts thatstick out to me like, oh, I
could have done that better.
But overall, it Yeah, it wasready.
SPEAKER_00 (11:57):
Awesome.
So I know a lot of like indieauthors opt to hire somebody, a
lot of them actually opt torecord it themselves.
Some don't do it at all, butwhat did you find was the
hardest about recording your ownbook?
SPEAKER_01 (12:15):
Well, I'm still in the process.
It's not out yet because therecording part was not as
challenging as I expected it tobe, but it's listening to my
voice now and going through tomake the edits that is really
SPEAKER_00 (12:32):
painful.
So I think that that's been themost most challenging part
awesome and I know we didn'tthis is like not like a question
I was going to ask but since youhaven't like put it out there
yet when do you think thatyou'll put your audio book out
there like when can listeners beready to listen to Salima's
voice on her own book
SPEAKER_01 (12:53):
oh I was thinking about doing it as a one year
celebration for my one year pubday December 12th so
SPEAKER_00 (13:03):
awesome Look
SPEAKER_01 (13:04):
out for
SPEAKER_00 (13:05):
it in December.
(13:33):
All right.
Let's go to TikTok influencing.
So for those that don't know,Salima has a giant following on
TikTok.
This is actually like I foundyou first through your editor.
Then I started looking for yoursocials and you have this huge
following on TikTok.
(13:53):
So TikTok influencing.
This was like huge for mebecause TikTok is such a huge
platform for books, the booktalk community, obviously.
And but it can be veryintimidating as well.
And I think that you do a verygood job of like breaking down
tips for authors, things thatthey can do to like easily
(14:15):
record stuff that doesn't takeany time, stuff that doesn't
require a face.
So let's go into how you dothat.
So how did you start usingTikTok for book marketing?
It
SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
was all an experiment.
I was really curious aboutTikTok after a quilling cup
education And so I think my bookhad just published when I got
onto TikTok and it was just allexperimentation for me.
I started posting and I noticedthat people were getting really
creative, but people had a lotof questions.
(14:50):
So I just started talking aboutmy experience, indie publishing,
things I wish I'd known when Ifirst published.
And then because I enjoymarketing so much and I loved
talking about marketing my book,that's kind of what I did.
but I fell into and startedcreating content around that.
SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
Awesome.
What types of content do youthink connect most with readers?
SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
That's a great question.
I think authentic content.
TikTok is, in my opinion, alittle messy, a little chaotic,
which I love.
It's just really raw and real.
So people can show up with nomakeup on.
People can show up in theirpajamas, going for a walk with
their dog.
And really giving that sneakpeek behind what it's like to be
(15:37):
an author and what it's like topublish a book or write a book.
SPEAKER_00 (15:40):
Yeah.
Do you think that the focusshould be like selling books
directly or more building brandawareness?
SPEAKER_01 (15:47):
Absolutely building brand awareness.
I do work with authors who haveTikTok shops where they sell
their books themselves.
And while those can be verysuccessful, in my opinion, in my
experience, a lot of aspiringauthors and authors have found a
lot of opportunities withbuilding their brand and their
community, making connectionswith readers, finding ARC
(16:09):
readers, and then ultimatelybringing them into their circle,
bringing them to maybe otherplatforms or their website where
they can buy their books.
SPEAKER_00 (16:17):
Very nice.
And what are some of themistakes you think authors make
when marketing on social media?
SPEAKER_01 (16:23):
Oh, a couple of the ones off the top of my head are
not being consistent.
I think that authors think thatthey can post once a month and
that they're, platform is goingto grow and consistency is
really important.
That doesn't mean that you needto post every single day, but
you need to have a consistentschedule or not even a schedule.
(16:45):
I see authors that get reallycaught up in the numbers of view
counts and thinking that theycan post just a couple of times
and that their posts will goviral.
And that certainly can happen,but consistency is really the
most important thing.
And that doesn't need to beposting every single day, but
that needs to be postingconsistently and not looking at
(17:06):
your view counts or yourfollower counts and focusing on
using it to connect with peopleand again build your brand it's
kind of like a portfolio evenbecause then when people
discover your book they're goingto look you up on social they're
going to see your tiktok yourinstagram and that's where
they'll follow you and followyour journey
SPEAKER_00 (17:22):
i need to follow your advice i could have used
you like a year ago because ihad no i'm like i am going to
post one tiktok video it's goingto go super viral and then i'm
never going to touch it again itdefinitely does not work that
way but yeah still learning umbut learning from the pros
learning from the very best andI'm happy to have you here to
help us along all right I'm herefor yes for sure all right so
(17:44):
you you obviously spend sometime like um doing your your
videos um and maybe you batchthose or maybe you do them like
every day but how much do youdedicate to content creation
versus like your writing do youlike what's your schedule for
doing marketing videos orwhatever videos you do on TikTok
(18:05):
versus your actual writing?
SPEAKER_01 (18:08):
I spend a lot more time writing.
I'd say it's about 25% socialand marketing and then 75%
writing because that's whatfills my cup.
While I love marketing, I knowthat that is my priority is
writing the books.
And I know a lot of authors feelthat way, which is why when they
(18:28):
tell me, oh, Selima, I spentthree hours on this post and it
got 12 views.
I'm like, we don't need to bespending that much time on it.
Because as I mentioned, TikTokis kind of raw and imperfect.
And that's what I know that asauthors, we, we have that editor
brain, we want everything to beperfect that we put out there,
(18:48):
but it really doesn't need tobe.
So I do batch my content, likeyou said, I'll sit down, usually
in my car, usually when I'mparked in my driveway, and film
like six videos.
And that can take me maybe 20minutes.
And then I'll just edit itreally quickly and post them.
SPEAKER_00 (19:06):
That's awesome.
I really appreciate that advicebecause I think you're right.
I think that we as authors dospend a lot of time editing.
I know that I get superfrustrated because I'll spend
like a ton of time on a singlevideo, like maybe like an hour,
and then it won't get that muchtraction.
And then another one, I think Imade like a silly video.
(19:28):
I'm like, all right, this looksgood.
This is like a fun little, youknow, audio clip I'm gonna use
this and I'm not even gonna saya word I'm just gonna be doing
something at my computer and itgot like over a thousand views
and I'm like okay so clearly Ineed to rethink like what I'm
doing I love that you justmentioned that it is messy it is
(19:48):
imperfect it's not meant to belike this polished I don't know
almost Instagram feel because Ifeel like Instagram maybe is a
little bit more polished andTikTok is a little more like
just get on say something andthen let it be all right so what
about us thriller authors Like,do you have any specific
marketing approaches that maybework better for us since we're
in spooky season officially?
(20:10):
So I got to know, what is it forthriller authors?
SPEAKER_01 (20:14):
Yeah, leaning into the spooky season, I think, you
know, countdowns to Halloweenare perfect.
And even when we're not inspooky season, just leaning into
the suspense.
They say you only have the firstthree seconds to hook your
viewer on social media.
So make that three secondsreally grabbing with a
(20:34):
suspenseful hook, with stockvideo, stock images, with the
audio, really bring in thefeeling of that spooky,
unsettling premise or twist andlean into that.
That's what I suggest for all ofmy thriller, horror, mystery
authors.
SPEAKER_00 (20:51):
All right.
How about cross promotion?
So this is a question I actuallyknow nothing about.
So I will, you know, maybe dolike a post on TikTok and then I
might save that down to my myphone and then repost it on
Instagram but do you recommendthat or do you recommend maybe
doing different thingspersonally it feels a little
overwhelming but you're theexpert so you tell me do you
(21:14):
cross post what you put onTikTok everywhere else
SPEAKER_01 (21:17):
I do to a point so I look at TikTok again as kind of
this just throwing ideas outthere and seeing what lands um
and then the TikToks that dowell I will typically take to
YouTube and to Instagram likeyou mentioned Instagram is kind
of a little more prim andproper.
Aesthetics are a little bit moreimportant on Instagram.
(21:39):
So if it doesn't align with mygrid, I might not post it or
I'll put like a cover photo overit.
But you don't really need to dothat.
But I will create carouselsspecifically for Instagram.
The only thing that you reallyneed to know is don't post from
Instagram to TikTok.
TikTok is not like that.
But you can post from TikTokeverywhere else.
(21:59):
And then you're working smarter,not harder.
You're repurposing your contentAnd to that end, I'll also
repurpose captions.
If I have a caption that Ireally liked on TikTok, I'll
turn that into a carousel forInstagram, or I'll just take
that and post it on Facebook.
So just repurpose, reuseeverything because it's all
content and it's all important.
SPEAKER_00 (22:21):
Awesome.
I love that.
That's great advice.
Um, what about services ormaterials that can help authors
who'd like a little extra help?
I know that I personally havebought your materials.
They were super helpful.
Um, But I I'm sure you have atreasure trove of other things
that you offer.
So tell us what those materialsare.
Yeah,
SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
I have a couple of different digital offerings.
I have my author visibilityvault with over 100 ideas,
content ideas.
They some of them are facelesscontent ideas, because I know
there are a lot of authors outthere who don't show their face
or write under a pen name forprivacy.
So there are plenty of ideas todo that aren't face to camera.
I also have my A plus contenttemplates that you can use on
(23:03):
Amazon for eight plus.
And I do take consultations andwork with authors one-on-one as
well.
SPEAKER_00 (23:09):
Okay.
Salima, we have made it to theink starter lightning round.
Who is your favorite thrillerauthor or inspiration?
I
SPEAKER_01 (23:20):
look to Lucinda Berry for inspiration.
She is a child psychologist andjust incorporates so much mental
health and suspense.
I see you nodding.
Are you, do you like LucindaBerry too?
SPEAKER_00 (23:32):
Oh my gosh.
That's how I started my newyear's this year was saving Noah
and it wrecked me.
I'm like, Oh
SPEAKER_01 (23:37):
my gosh,
SPEAKER_00 (23:40):
she's fantastic.
SPEAKER_01 (23:41):
All
SPEAKER_00 (23:43):
right.
Last book you read that youcould not put down
SPEAKER_01 (23:45):
near the bone by Christina Henry.
It's more of a horror thriller.
I'm kind of dabbling in horror,but I really enjoyed that.
SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
Awesome.
What about fast and furious plottwist or slow burns for life?
SPEAKER_01 (24:01):
Fast and furious all the way.
SPEAKER_00 (24:02):
Yeah, definitely.
I am down for that.
Okay, matcha tea or cookiesduring your writing sesh?
SPEAKER_01 (24:08):
Matcha! I'm
SPEAKER_00 (24:10):
a matcha girly.
Awesome.
Wildest thing you've everresearched for your books now
that are going to live on yourbrowser search history forever?
Probably
SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
how much water it takes for someone to drown.
SPEAKER_00 (24:27):
We say this, but we say it with a smile.
We're like a little bit saltyand sweet.
I love it.
All right.
One word that describes yourideal reader.
SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
Inquisitive.
I really like readers to want tofeel like they're unraveling the
story along with the characters.
SPEAKER_00 (24:48):
Very nice.
All right.
And we're going to wrap this upwith your five best tips for
authors.
So here you're going to sharefive tips.
Anything that you want could bemarketing or book.
What can our authors do that arelistening to the show that they
can put into action today tohelp elevate their writing to
the next level?
SPEAKER_01 (25:06):
Yeah, I have a couple of a combination of
writing tips and marketing tips.
My first one is lower the bar.
I know this might sound kind ofcounterintuitive, but I really
like just using open thedocument as my every day I open
the doc.
It's super simple goal andopening up your manuscript every
(25:28):
day could be a sentence.
It could turn into a thousandwords.
but lowering that bar has helpedme a lot with my progress.
Number two, treat marketing likestorytelling instead of
advertising.
I like thinking about it as anextension of our creative
storytelling.
And I think that if otherauthors looked at it that way,
(25:50):
it might make it a little bitmore fun, a little less painful.
So that's my suggestion.
Number three, create content forreaders, not the algorithm.
So think about your ideal readerevery time you put something out
there rather than what is thisgoing to be trendy?
Is this going to go viral?
Is someone going to go, hey,that book looks really good.
(26:11):
I'm going to put it on my TBR.
Number four is master oneplatform before going on all of
them.
I always tell authors start withone or two that you feel
comfortable with or that youknow that your ideal reader is
on rather than trying to posteverywhere unless you're
repurposing and cross posting.
And number five find your peopleI know that we can both kind of
(26:36):
speak to having a community ofwriters and surrounding yourself
with like-minded writers andreaders having that
encouragement and theaccountability helps so much
makes the whole process so muchless lonely as well
SPEAKER_00 (26:50):
I totally agree it's something that I wish I would
have had six years ago when Istarted finding Quill and Cup
for me has been huge finding allof our little Hedgie sisters in
there has been fantastic So Iagree.
If you're out there and you arejust starting out, finding a
community of writers is the, Ithink, like the biggest step you
(27:14):
can take because you can have aplace to be your messy self and
ask questions.
So this was awesome, Salima.
Thank you so much.
A couple of things I want to dobefore we close off today.
Where can listeners find yourbooks?
SPEAKER_01 (27:28):
Oh, my books can be found wherever you find books.
SPEAKER_00 (27:32):
I know.
Awesome.
And how can we follow you onTikTok and other platforms?
SPEAKER_01 (27:38):
Oh, I'm Salima Ish.
I'm at Salima Ish on allplatforms.
But yeah, most active on TikTok,Instagram, Facebook.
SPEAKER_00 (27:46):
Awesome.
And then do you have anyupcoming releases or events you
want us to know about?
I
SPEAKER_01 (27:50):
don't have a date set yet for my next release, but
my audio book of Sisters Arcanawill be out this
SPEAKER_00 (27:58):
winter.
Awesome.
All right.
Well, thank you so much, Salima.
Lima, this has been so much fun.
I am so glad to finally meet youlike face to face.
Yeah.
And yes, I hope I wish you thesuccess with your audio book.
Again, Sisters Arcana is outeverywhere.
If you want to get it at yourindie bookstore, you want to get
on Amazon.
(28:18):
She's everywhere.
You want to get her book and youare going to love this unique
read.
So thank you.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for listening to thisepisode of Traditionally
Self-Published.
If this episode helped yousubscribe leave a review and
share with your author andreader friends like and be sure
to check the first episode whereI share a bit about how this all
(28:40):
came to be and why building ahelpful community is so
important until next time bebold write smart and keep
turning those pages music
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