Listener Questions, Grammy Insights & Random Skills :: Ep 42 Try That in a Small Town Podcast

Could Grammy voters from Nashville and beyond really have swayed the vote for Beyoncé? We kick off with this intriguing question and take you on a ride through the often amusing realities of household chores. From the joy of making the bed to the universal dread of the dishwasher, we share personal tales of solitude and the quirks of daily life that emerge when our wives are away. Household chores never sounded so entertaining!

Next, we dive into the unexpected twists and turns of the music industry. Sharing stories from songwriting sessions, we recount how songs we doubted became hits and express regret over tracks that never saw the light of day. Alongside, Trevor Noah's cryptic Grammy comments spark a lively discussion on his future in hosting. We also explore the ongoing dialogue around COVID-19 with insights into personal vaccine experiences, while pop culture moments, like Travis Kelsey's relationship with Taylor Swift, serve as a backdrop to the conversation.

Amidst the humor and banter, we touch on the healing power of shared stories on Brad Warren's podcast and the unexpected evolution of our facial hair. For music lovers, we explore how social media shapes today's artists, while reminiscing about rock and roll mishaps that once inspired creativity. Rounding off with our Super Bowl predictions, we debate football news and dream up typing contests, promising a fun-filled episode packed with laughter, nostalgia, and perhaps a few surprises.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what I want to know with the Beyonce thing is
there's a lot of people inNashville that have Grammy votes
.
They get to vote.
Do you guys think anybody inNashville voted for Beyonce?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
That was my next question.
I was like what are the peoplein Nashville?
How much pool do they have?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
What household chore do you enjoy?
This is riveting, likevacuuming.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, believe it or not , it's really.
It's a household chore, butit's outside.
I pick up dog no, you don't.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
I wish you lived in my house.
No, you don't.
Oh, yes, I stepped in it well,well, I can't keep up

Speaker 1 (00:36):
all the time maybe because some of these artists
that sometimes they get outthere live and it doesn't
translate.
That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Or, worse than that, you find out who they really are
.
Labels spend two years proppingthese artists up and they're
not ready for it, and they werenever ready for it.
No, you don't want to namenames.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I don't, let's go viral.

Speaker 5 (01:02):
The Try that in a Small Town podcast begins now.

Speaker 6 (01:12):
Try that in a.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Small Town All right Welcome back.
I know I couldn't come in witha straight face.
Welcome back to another episodeof the Try that in a Small Town
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Speaker 2 (01:34):
We need to push them, sell those.
We want y'all to buy them.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Yeah, they come in all sizes, they fit great, and
TK, he's got no merch on tonight, not tonight.
Yeah, been wearing it outlately Every day.
You know, neil, you look goodtonight.
What is it I got?

Speaker 2 (01:50):
to tell you, you know when your wife leaves town.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, actually.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Like the first half hour.
You know when she leaves andyou kiss her goodbye and she's
gone.
And the first half hour you'resitting there and you got your
snacks laid out and I was likethis is gonna be awesome.
It's just you and the dog.
You got the whole houseyourself.
Awesome.
After that 30 minutes it's likewhen you've been happily
married for 30 years and so yourealize real quick, I can't do

(02:23):
this alone.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
You know what You're right.
I always think it's going to begreat.
Catch up on some TV.
Watch what I want to watch.
Eat what I want to eat, andthat house is silent.
Oh, it's not really good, it'snot good, TK, you're actually
going through that right now tooright, well, yeah, but my
daughter's been home, theyoungest daughter's there, you

(02:45):
just realize quick how much theydo Maybe that's it.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, and Alyssa didn't really care for him, so
it's different.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
The dishes don't make their way into the dishwasher
by themselves.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
No, there's that.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Tricky stuff like that.
What would Tully's house looklike?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
by himself.
Tully's clean.
He's actually really clean youever seen.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Breaking Bad.
Remember when Jesse goes dark?
I feel like that's what itwould look like.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But you can't really say I mean, you have a newborn.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah, there's not a lot of alone times, but yeah,
same thing.
I eat all the bad things that Iusually wouldn't eat because
you get out of your norm, thenyou feel really bad about it and
you think you're going to stayup and watch movies.
You really don't.
You just click around, youdon't.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Oh yeah, you're going to stay up late yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
But not really.
It's a lonely time.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I migrate from the living room to the bedroom.
I don't unmake her side, I justunmake my side.
She's not dead.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
I know she's just in Birmingham, I know, but I still
I'm not that far.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
The only reason I do it is because I won't have to
make it up in the morning.
I see All.
I got to do is fold my sideback up and throw a couple of
throws.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Do you make the bed?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
when she's not.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Okay, no, I just leave my side undone.
But you do make the bed quite abit.
I do just when she's home, yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
I mean, that's one of the keys to successful people
is to make your bed in themorning.
Oh it is.
I would rather not, but I do itanyway.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I hate doing dishes.
I hate loving the dishwasher.
What household chore do youenjoy?
This is riveting, likevacuuming.
No, believe it or not, it's ahousehold chore, but it's
outside.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I pick up dog shit.
No, you don't, I wish you livedin my neighborhood.
No, you don't, I stepped in it.
Well, I can't keep up all thetime.
What are you doing out back?
Anyway?
I walk five feet outside and Istep in a big pile of Hank's
leftovers Serves you right fornot watching where you're going.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It was dark, Well, take a light.
I mean anyway, but I love

Speaker 3 (04:58):
picking up dog crap You're getting in my
entertainment space I lovepicking up dog crap.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Okay, I do because I love my yard to be Now, the dogs
can play without stepping inanything.
We can come out here and walkaround and not have to look, and
I don't enjoy it.
But I like getting the yardclean.
I hate loading the dishwasher.
I hate doing laundry.
I hate any of that.
All of it, I hate it.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
What do you eat?
I do Sw not here.
Or has she pre-made you meals?
No, she has not.
Sometimes she will.
But she?

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I think she does no she leaves a couple of pizzas in
the freezer.
Okay, and I won't eat.
I'll eat half of it at last Ican.
I can stretch out a pizza for acouple days one.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
I can't do that.
It's gonna be gone in onesetting.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
No, me too oh my god, it's just like it's just like a
bottle of wine, it's a singleserving.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
What do you got?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
What was that?
No, I was just saying.
A pizza is just like a bottleof wine, it's a single serving
Nice.
Hey, Caleb, I saw you posted avideo tonight For some.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
I wasn't talking about myself necessarily.
What's that?
Sorry, we're going to try to doa little fan appreciation
episode In a minute.
Also, we're going to talk aboutsome interesting things that
may have happened this week.
Neil, yeah, did you guys watchthe Grammys last night?
Yeah, yeah watched some of that.
Yeah, I watched it.
I actually didn't watch it, butI've heard.

(06:22):
Does anybody want to start thisthing off?
I didn't watch it, but I'veheard.
Does anybody want to start thisthing off?
I didn't watch it and no oneshould be surprised.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm surprised, we're surprised.
That's what I'm surprised about.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
True, it's true, but they just keep on.
Which part of not beingsurprised Beyonce winning the?

Speaker 4 (06:35):
country.
I mean, that shouldn't surpriseanybody.
They shouldn't?
You're right, that's what theGrammys do.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
You're right, you're exactly right, that's what they
do.
They are notorious.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I was ready to go off and you're correct.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
But that's why I don't.
I mean, I used to love watchingthe Grammys.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Long time ago.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
I mean yeah, long time ago.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Once we realized it was getting more and more, I
guess politically correct.
Is that even what it is?
I don't know.
It is now.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
The Grammys are a joke.
No, I will say we had anamazing time one year at them.
We played with Kelly Clarkson,don't you want to?

Speaker 1 (07:13):
stay.
So how long ago was that?
Over 10 years ago?

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Yeah, and it was great because that year Bruno
Mars had just hit bigSpringsteen was there, mccartney
was there, and it was reallycool.
That's legit, but it was reallycool.
It feels like that it's gottena little bit off the rails.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
But I mean, if I remember right, that year Don't
you Want to Stay was up for aGrammy, right yeah, and we lost
two.
Do you remember who?
Who is this good?
The Civil Wars, do you guysremember?
But I thought we lost.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
That's the next.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Grammy we lost.

Speaker 4 (07:58):
When we produced Thompson Square.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
So we lost that one.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
yeah, I thought we lost that one to the Civil.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Wars.
Okay, maybe that was it.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
I'm not sure who we lost to Clarkson thing too, but
I think kiss me or not was upfor song of the year and we lost
his civil wars, which they weregood but still not not.
I mean we were havingcommercial success, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
They don't go by that I've lost it, lost a.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Grammy.
Also, what song did you have?
It was not too long ago, Ithink it was 2002 or 2008.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
2002 or 2008?
It's around there.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
It was a while back, but no it was Joe Nichols the
song the Impossible, I will sayand it was up for Best Country
Song.
But one thing that has improvedis that the country categories
weren't even televised years ago.
So at least they're televisednow.
Well, it's because they'regiving it to Beyonce.

Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah well, I don't know if that was.
I don't know if they want to betelevised.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
So what I want to know with the Beyonce thing is
there's a lot of people inNashville that have Grammy votes
.
They get to vote.
Do you guys think anybody inNashville voted for Beyonce?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
That was my next question.
I was like, what are the peoplein Nashville?

Speaker 1 (09:10):
How much pull do they have, or were they?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
getting pushed to vote for Beyonce, I guess my
question is how can they allowthat to happen?
Yeah Over Laney Wilson orStapleton or somebody like that.

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Well, you'd have to think, though, that there would
be more voters in all the othergenres mixed together and just
country over here.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Obviously there has to be so.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
If you're all the other genres, you're going to
vote for the name that yourecognize, and if you're all
those other genres, even aslaney wilson, as big as she is,
they may not know she is, asopposed to beyonce well and
beyonce would come up firstbefore before laney wilson.
Beyonce would come up firstbefore Lanny Wilson, she would
come up first.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
So sometimes you just kind of yeah, and a little
inside baseball is people justdon't vote for who they want.
It's a political thing.
And you say hey, you guys overhere, can you guys vote for my
artist, and then we'llreciprocate with something else
Everything's political.

(10:06):
If you don't think everything'spolitical, you're naive.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
I will always believe that Beyonce wanted to do a
country record because she justwanted to stick it to them.
She's like I'll always believethat she said, hey, watch this,
I'm going to go make a countryrecord and watch what happens.
And everybody in Nashville justkind of you know, they stepped
aside.
It's Beyonce, we better get outof the way.
And she just came in.

(10:30):
Do you really think she likescountry music?
Do you really think she listensto?

Speaker 6 (10:33):
it.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
I think she just came in here.
Just hey, watch what I can do,watch how much power I have.
I'm going to do a countryrecord.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's going gonna be huge jay-z's coming after you.
Whatever, but they weresuccessful they pulled it off.

Speaker 4 (10:54):
Well, it is a little interesting, though, how this
town and this we just opened thedoors, you know, I mean post
malone and he's he's killing it.
Yeah, you know, and, and I thinkhe truly loves country, I think
I think he does too, but it,but it's interesting and taylor
swift can come back whenever shewants and it that's fine too.

(11:17):
You know, success is successand you can't argue.
You know, post Malone doing acountry album he's been touring
on.
That Amphitheater is an arena,so good for him.
I haven't listened to theBeyonce country album, have you,
caleb?
I haven't heard it.
No, no.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I didn't hear the album, Obviously.
I heard the one song.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I just felt like she was making fun of Nashville.
It just felt that way.
Post Malone seems authentic.
He seems like he genuinelyloves the music that comes out
of Nashville.
Hers felt like she's justpoking fun at us.
It just felt that way to me.
It's just me.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, did you guys see Kanye's entrance to the red
carpet?
I did.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
I saw the news this morning.
So he accomplished that as well.
You didn't see it?
No, his wife was basicallynaked.
Not even basically yeah, shehad a sheath on or some sort of
see-through.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, I don't even know if they got in the building
actually.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
What.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
So they went to the red carpet and she's wearing
nothing, nothing, nothing,nothing, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
And now we're talking about it.
So mission accomplished.
Yeah, that's exactly it, I mean.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
But they didn't go in like that.
Oh they tried.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Jim says they were escorted out, escort being the
keyword.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
Interesting.
It was a nice dress.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Hey, do you guys know that host of the Grammys?
What's his name?
I didn't watch it.
He's a comedian, isn't he?
He's got a talk show too.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
He does a late night show or something.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well, he, I saw said, since there's a new
administration in Washington,this might be my last time
hosting.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I didn't actually understand what that meant.
What did he mean by that?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
Well, one can only assume.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Because of his color.
I think, so Okay, I think so.
I didn't really catch that.
So what's he afraid of Exactly?

Speaker 4 (13:28):
What's going to happen?

Speaker 1 (13:29):
I don't know.
I wish I knew these answers.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
What is going to happen when there's somebody
there he goes?
What's going to happen to you,dude?
Seriously, you know what thatstuff is entertaining, because
the only reason I watched itjust to see how many political

(13:52):
jabs they were going to takeyeah, you know.
And how, how bizarre the musicand the the show was going to be
.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
And it never lets you down, it never fails.
Yeah, jim just said it's trevor.
Noah, I actually didn't oh yeahI didn't even.
I don't even actually know whothat is, but yeah, I'm, I've
seen him on time.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
I don't know, jim, do you know what show I I can?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
I can see his face okay, so he's at least got some
kind of resume.
Oh, yeah, he does.
Yeah, like I said, I've beenout of the grammy thing for a
while.
I just I saw the news andwanted to get your guys opinions
on it well, he made a comment,we could go on and on.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah, he made a comment on the big pony.
I think I forget what it was hesaid.
That's about when I was comingin is when the chapel she had
performed and it was the big.
I guess it's the pink pony.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I'm colorblind, but I think it was pink.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, the pink pony, he said something about it.
He said something about myLittle Pony or whatever.
That old jingle I, he saidsomething about it.
He said something about mylittle pony or whatever.
And that that old, that old,you know the, the jingle, you
know, yeah, I mean, you had oneof those back in your kid.
You know, my little pony, mylittle pony, I love to brush her
hair.
Remember, didn't you have oneof those?

Speaker 4 (14:55):
Oh God Wouldn't that, that two sponsors.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Thanks, kaylo but that's just what I thought of
when I saw the pink pony uh, bythe way, just for housekeeping.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Uh, trevor noah hosted the daily show and was a
yeah on some late night, that'sright yeah, um, all right, what
about some questions?
We got any questions.
Somebody got them written down.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
I had an old one that I want before I forget okay
I'll go back over to.
It was back when we had Pete onand our punk rock drummer,
friend right.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Pete.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Perocco, who got fired because he had an illness
and he couldn't take the COVIDshot right Offspring fired him
Right.
So anyway, so we had somebodyafter that and I was going to
comment on that night.
My wife wouldn't let me.
And it's from the name isGuardian Overseas and it says
you're still talking about COVID, get a life.

(15:52):
I'm thinking well, we're stilltalking about it because that's
our guest.
He got fired because of it andthat's why we're talking about
it.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
So it's not like we're just randomly talking
about COVID Today's COVID night.
Was that a comment on likeduring that episode?

Speaker 3 (16:09):
Yeah, it was just like right after it and it just
kind of stuck with me for awhile.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I got to read those more I do.
I need to get on after ourepisode.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
That's what I do during snack time at night.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Try it when they're putting the baby down, do you?

Speaker 1 (16:23):
guys know anybody like that and we probably asked
this before, but during covidthat was very insistent on that
side of the fence.
That has since said man, Iguess I didn't know all the
information right and apologized, or no, I think I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
I feel like they're sticking to their guns.
Yeah, I think they're, you know, going down with the shit.
You know what I mean.
But I have, you know, likepeople like myself who you know
asthma, you know, had my wholelife.
I was worried about COVIDinitially, so I got the.

(17:04):
I got the first shot.
You know what I mean, because Iwas.
You know, I've known a coupleof people that had an issue
getting COVID and asthma so, andsince then I've been like crap.
I wish I wouldn't have gottenthat first shot.
I know a lot of people thathave got the first one that said
, nah, didn't need it, right,you know.

(17:24):
But I know people have got likesix shots now and they're still
, I mean, they'll get whatevershot Travis Kelsey tells them to
get Boom.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's awesome.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well, I mean, he didn't respond to my text about
the pickleball, so I'm going tofire some jabs out on my guys.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I remember that we're supposed to have a challenge.
It's about the season Now thathe's with Taylor.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
He can't be friends with us anymore because he's
with Taylor.
That's what it feels like,Travis.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Maybe he'll take enough of those shots over the
course of the next 20 years andit'll weaken him to where y'all
can possibly have a chance.

Speaker 4 (18:02):
Aaron Rodgers, but aaron rogers called the mr
pfizer, which is still myfavorite nickname.
I liked aaron's thing.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
What was it?
He was on mcafee.
You know he does that weeklyspot with pat mcafee and I
forget whatever everybody wasresponding to.
But he said okay, from now on,when you respond to this, you
first have to acknowledge whichbooster you're on, because
that'll let me know where youstand.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
Hey, you know what there was in the beginning.
And Kayla, what's the guy'sname that's mad about?
Covid Guardian of Seas.
Guardian of Seas will be mad atthis.
We're talking about COVIDGuardian Overseas, sorry, so
he'll know Overseas for sure.
When COVID happened, though Ido remember, I mean I was a
little nervous about it justbecause on, no, yeah, I think
everybody you know.
And then once you get you know,like you realize now, like wow,

(18:52):
we just lied to and I'm glad Ionly got one shot, yeah, but
people still, they're stillgetting them.
I mean still getting them.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, you can, yeah , you know, I wish them well, I
do, yeah, nothing, you're right,I hope nothing bad happens to
those people.

Speaker 4 (19:08):
We need to try that in a small town booster it's
it's, it's a crown royal in it.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah, it's got crown roll, it's got.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Maybe it's got some a little hand sanitizer mixed in
there celsius crown and handsanitizer it's got a little
mosquito repellent, becausemosquitoes get really bad.
Hey, it might work better thanthe actual vaccine.
It works great when you sweat.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It's great.
Hey, what's that question Edsent.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, I was just trying to read it, number two is
a good one.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Number two yeah, question number two Can you read
it.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, you got your glasses on.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
It says given the amazing success you guys had
writing, try that in a SmallTown, tough Crowd, and Rather
Watch you on the HighwayDesperado album.
How much writing have you donetogether since and any chance we
see some of your songs onAldine's next album or for some
other artist?

Speaker 1 (19:59):
That is a very timely question.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
It is, I know it.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Considering we're, going in next week.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
to finish, that's completely up to hell.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Dave, I sent that.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Did you tell Ed to send?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
that question, I will be the first to say I am sad
and disappointed that we hadn'twritten enough together all four
of us, that's true.
I think a lot of that could beconcentrating on the podcast and
just everybody being busy andeverybody's been busy, this you
know year um we have all we havewednesdays down now, so we're

(20:36):
starting to get a little bit weneed we need, we do need to
remedy that, because thatactually, as, as we look back on
it was, it was like somethingI'm not really happy about, the
fact that we had a good run ofgreat songs and we just kind of
you know, and it's no one'sfault, but it just happens
sometimes.
I mean me, neil and Kurt havewritten 75 songs this year,

(20:57):
right.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
We got a bunch on the record Right.
Meanwhile I paid for thepodcast equipment Great, but
we'll reimburse you for thepodcast equipment Great, we'll
reimburse you with the moneyfrom our song, y'all are
blessing me.
You're welcome, you're sowelcome.
Hey, how about taking this ideaand the podcast?

Speaker 1 (21:17):
equipment.
Thanks a lot, Ed See what youstarted.

Speaker 2 (21:21):
Man, I haven't written 75 songs ever in a year
and I brought you guys spikedeggnog.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
What a fool did you get, thinking it would work?

Speaker 4 (21:30):
no, seriously, though , it's a great um.
It's a great point, though,that we have not written enough
the four of us which is insane,because it's obviously is very
successful.
So we will fix that.
Things to work on.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
It is things to work on.
I just see one from Kimberly.
This actually is a pretty goodone, and it makes me think of
one of y'all's songs.
Have any of you had a song thatyou've written that you weren't
sure about or even disliked,but it ended up recording and
turns out it's one of yourfavorites?

(22:04):
Anybody got one Bunch of them,I know you told me about one,
lots of them.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Give me one.
Well Night Train number one.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
That's what I was thinking, because I've heard you
say that I didn't?

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I mean I just, we wrote it so fast.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
And the funny thing is that's such a great song.
I mean, it's such an awesomesong.
It's probably good.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
It's probably good now, and I saw it after the fact
because we didn't think we justgo, we just went you know, we
just wrote you and MichaelDelaney, right, yeah, but the
way it got cut was reallyinteresting, though I've told
you this before that it was wewere producing Lee Cook and the
and it came in as a pitch forher and then we listened to it

(22:47):
and Aldine's like I love that,that's how that, that's how that
happened, which was you neverknow in this time.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
yeah, it's a great song, you don't?

Speaker 2 (22:55):
flower states wasn't, was a song that was I remember
being that was one of my onesthat I yeah, that was like, yeah
, you knew that was a great song.

Speaker 4 (23:02):
But I remember that, that back in the old days and CD
was lying around and that wason our bus for a while, oh yeah,
like years, a few years of justlaying around, you know, yep.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Anyway, kayla, do you have a song that you maybe
didn't think was great or didn'tnecessarily like?
Say it, tully.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Say it.
I love all Kayla's songs.
I know Tully Say it.
I love all K-Lo songs.
I know Tully will say it, sayit.
No, I'm not going to say it.
You know what I love that song?
No, I'll say this.
There's not one.
That was a radio hit that Ithought, oh my gosh, I can't
believe that never had a chance.
There are a couple that Iwondered what would happen once

(23:41):
it got out there.
You know, like one of Tully'sfavorites, tix, I didn't know,
like no way would I say, oh forsure, that's a slam dunk, that's
an absolute smash right.
But I didn't know that, youknow.
But like others where you'dthink, all right, that's right
down the middle, everybody,nobody would hate that right.
So I'd say that's probablymaybe one of them.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I don't know so many.
So you think all your songs arehits.
Is that what you're saying?
I don't.
You thought all when you gotdone writing them, all of them
were hits I mean I'm not ashamedof any of them or that.
Well, I mean but that wasn'tthe question.
Well, it's like like, do youhave one that was like that
ain't never getting cut, that'swhatever next.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
I don't know.
I don't know, I'd have toponder it, I'd have to ponder.
I don't know that anythingthat's been a single that I
think I never thought that'd berecorded because the subject
matter I'm not sure I don'tthink so Interesting.
I'm not sure I don't think soInteresting.
I mean I'm thankful, I'm justnot, I don't know that
anything's been.
You're thankful for every oneof them.
Yeah, I've been.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
There's a handful of them.
I'm like that'll never get cut.
It's not good enough.
I guess my bar is like way uphere, I guess, and I way
overthink stuff I have to yeahthat, yeah, that's part of your,
that's part of your thing andit works.
I'm trying to get.
I'm trying to get better at it.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
There's still, but you, kurt, but you.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
Kurt, I don't know any songs that you know.
I just realized what you do agreat job.
You kind of you're the host ofthe podcast.
Really, he's Captain.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Kirk, I don't want to be the host, but you kind of
are yeah, yeah, but no one everasked you questions.

Speaker 4 (25:25):
Let's ask you a question.
Let's wow, do you have any?
Songs on kirk yeah no, aftergranger asked granger that was
awesome, by the way that was welove great episode.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Are y'all skipping that question?

Speaker 4 (25:40):
I am, you see how I did that no, I see how I deflect
and move any songs that thathave been recorded that you've
been like.
I can't believe that I gotcaught.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Help me, because we write everything together.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, honestly, I mean, I think I'll speak for you
again.
Thank you, um, I think if wedon't like something, we just
don't write it.
Yeah, I think if we don't likesomething, we just don't write
it.
Yeah, we erase these days, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
I've done that a lot.
You know, I've got a bunch ofjust yeah titles that are
sitting there that I'm like nah,I'm not going after that.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah.
I mean no-transcript, neil,because you're really hard on
yourself.
Are there songs that have beenrecorded that you feel should
have been singles?

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Oh God.
That list is longer than anyother list, like two or three.
Oh God, you mean start withAldine.
I want to start with one ofyours.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
You want to start with.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Aldine, yeah, whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I see you.
When I see you, I have noagenda.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I see you is like it's like that should have been,
and I think even Aldean regretsnot putting it out.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Feel that again.
I used to love that song.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Feel that again Staring at the sun See you when
I see you.
What happened?
That was just on a stackedalbum.
That's what happened to thatsong, because that was a.
I mean you had two singles offthat album, right?
I don't remember?
Yeah, well, I feel I believeyou did.
I believe flapper states andtattoos tattoos so I mean, and

(27:14):
then we had you know that youknow dirt anthem yeah, party, uh
, party.
Yeah, you want to stay?
Yeah, a lot of yeah.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
So like, you ran out of album record and that and
otherwise, because there's threealbums worth of songs on flats
and aldine that then, in my mind, should have been singles,
because I just they were theywere just great songs and I'm
not trying to toot my own horn.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I just knew they were great songs sometimes you can
see like, for example, feel thatagain, which I don't.
I don't know that song, butthat might not have been a
single.
Just because imagine the stripad, it reminds me of that song.
Like if you have jason aldean,feel that again.
You remember the song.
I don't know who the artist was, but it's years ago and it was,
I don't know.
Let's say it's jake smithholding my own and it was a big

(27:59):
strip ad on billboard see, Ilove.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
this is what I about, caleb.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
I'm sorry to interrupt and I'm like, does he
not have any friends, anybody atthe record label that says hey,
dude somebody might think ofthat.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Caleb will see a title and go how's that going to
look on a strip ad?
And that's really I mean beforethe song's even written.
He's like it'll look good on astrip ad, but imagine that on an
18-wheeler.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
No, that's not why.
I know why, but I get it.
I don't know.
I don't know the guy, I knowthat was the guy.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
Simple, because back in those days Jason, like Benny
Brown, would have a big hand andallow the singles that were
picked.
That's true.
Still, jason had a little morecontrol at that point.
But still, and there was otherI remember, um, one of my most,

(28:49):
which I can't stand this moment.
I hate that we did it, uh, 1994.
I knew you were gonna say thatyou want to tell that I do want
to tell it, and then it's ourpodcast, so I can do whatever I
want to do joe, joe.
Joe Diffay.
Here's what happened.
I remember when that song camein after Dirt Ride Anthem, jason
kind of broke down a lot ofwalls with that song.

(29:11):
But the thinking like a labeldoes the label's like oh, we
need another one of those.
And I told I remember and Jasonwill tell you this I remember
me and Kurt talking to him andwe said, man, we heard the demo,
don't cut this.
If you cut it they're gonnawant to do something with it,

(29:32):
because it just reminds them ofwhat you know.
It's something in their mindthat's different.
And he goes oh man, no, we'llmake benny happy.
Cut it, you know, and we'lljust be on the album as a cool
thing.
I said, no, this is going to be, they're going to push it and
that's what happened.
Cut it and it knocked songslike Feel that Again off and it

(29:54):
kind of stalled the entire albumbecause the Night Train record
was good 1994 was the first song, and I don't know how many.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
He had a string of number ones number one, number
one, number one, number.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Now, 1994 came out streak over there's another song
of yours that I didn't make top10 I actually even more so than
feel that again was talk.
Uh, that's another good songthat was really cool but but we
kind of stalled.
We we hit a a road bump in 1994and it's a tough pill to
swallow.
Now.
It's like we played that for alittle bit what a tour or so,

(30:29):
yeah and suffered through it.
And it was just the firstmoment where like, uh-oh, I
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Speaker 1 (33:55):
That's a song that you didn't think was great.
I mean, you get chillslistening to that thing.
Where else are you going tohear?
Well, actually, I'll tell youwhere else you might hear
something to that thing.
Um, where else are you gonnahear?
Well, actually, I'll tell youwhere else you might hear
something like that.
Let's talk about this.
I just thought about this.
You just went on the god'scountry podcast.
Right, let's talk about that,because that was awesome that
you did that?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
yep, those guys had me on and, uh, we talked hunting
, golfing and songwriting.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
If you haven't seen, it, check it out, because that's
awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
Those guys are great oh yeah, yeah, yeah, dan and
reed is will are awesome dudesand they're really good and we
should probably have them onsometime I think so too be fun.
Oh yeah, they're.
Uh, they had.
They've written some luke combstuff and they've had a bunch of
stuff out there what song didyou do on their podcast?
I think I did a little bit ofnight train because they loved

(34:44):
that one.
We did some fast cars andfreedom they had me do.
Well, uh uh, reed sang, uh, howcountry feels I just sat there
and played it he made me sitthere and play it.
Why?
Because he wanted to sing itand it was awesome.
It was awesome, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
but, yeah, we encourage you guys to check out.
Just check out their podcast ingeneral and, of course, neil's
episode.
That's awesome.
We, we champion those guys.
And speaking of podcasts, Iwant to go back a little bit to
Tully.
You did Brad Warren's podcast alittle while ago and he also
has an incredible podcast tooand talk about that experience a
little bit too.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, brad's podcast is really that experience a
little bit too.
Yeah, brad's podcast is reallyum, it was interesting because
his podcast deals a lot of likehealing.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Yeah, what's uh?
Tell people the name of hisgood grief, good god, yeah, yeah
um, and it's if you haven'twatched any of them, it's great.

Speaker 4 (35:39):
And what's?
What's crazy about that?
He, he had me on there.
We go way back with Brad andhis brother, to the 90s, with
those guys.
And what was interesting aboutthat is I knew he wanted to talk
about Vegas a little bit, whichI never talk about, and I did

(36:03):
and it was interesting becauseit was.
I think maybe because we go sofar back, I felt a little more
comfortable.
So that was a actually foundmyself forgetting that it was
being filmed.
Yeah, and I think, which iskind of cool, go ahead Because
he'd been through.
You know, brad, you know, losthis son and him and his wife.
They do their best to try touse that to help others and

(36:26):
anyway, that was a like I reallydid forget it was being filmed
and um, in which I think it'skind of cool when you're that
comfortable which I which Ithink we try to do here when we
have people on is to make itcomfortable and realize that you
know you can just kind of beyourself and 100, uh, you guys
make sure you check out thoseepisodes, because that's great,
neil on god's and realize thatyou can just kind of be yourself
100%.

Speaker 1 (36:45):
You guys make sure you check out those episodes
because that's great Neil onGod's Country and, of course,
Tully on Brad.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
We'll have Brad on too, because Brad and Brad,
they're both great.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Yeah, they're both on .
Have them both on, absolutelyand some talented boys too,
that'll be amazing.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
They're great and they're funny, yes, fun and be,
absolutely, yeah, some talentedboys too.
That'll be amazing.
They're great and they're funny.
And, yes, you know, but butbrad's really, um, you know, I
think when he went throughlosing his son, I think, I think
you know, it all obviouslychanged him, and you in, of
course, you, you never the same,yeah, after so I mean, we know,
we know a few guys that havelost kids Casey Beathard.

(37:24):
Oh, it's Jeffrey Steele.
Yeah it's, I can't imagine itand having, like I said, when I
was on his podcast, it wasactually.
I actually thanked him forhaving that platform because I
never really talked about it,just with a friend of mine like
that, and I realized a lot ofstuff came out that probably

(37:47):
needed to, because, you know, wenever not to go on about Vegas,
but we we never really talkedabout it.
No, we just kind of that's howthe band deals with stuff.
We've done, that's how we dowith stuff today.
We just kind of internalize itand deal with it amongst the six
of us.
Um, but it was good to get someof that out anyway I think you

(38:11):
know it also.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I you know I've said this, I think I've heard you say
this when you are it's.
It's hard for me to talk aboutit when someone can't understand
that scenario.
You can't describe thatscenario.
But if somebody has beenthrough their own traumatic
experience, somehow you can feelthat bond of being able to

(38:36):
share that.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
I think you probably did with him and I think as, as
I mean, I'm guilty of this Ithink, as dudes in general, we
sometimes don't think it's okayto talk about stuff like that.
You know what I mean, and Ithink we're finding out that you

(38:57):
need to talk about it Insteadof just kind of holding it all
in and kind of letting it dragyou down, you know?

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, it's kind of like probably people of our
dad's generation was don't talkabout it.
Be strong, move forward and youknow there is something to that
.
To be strong for your family,but also you need to be able to
talk about things, too, that areweighing on you.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, I know Everybody deals with it in
different ways.
Some people want to be able totalk about things, too, that are
weighing on you.
Yeah, I know Everybody dealswith it in different ways.
Some people want to be alone,some people want to talk to
somebody.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
And that's how I mean I've always was.
It was still him.
It was like I'd rather just youknow.
Kurt said, like don't have timeto feel bad for myself.
There's no time for that.
Sometimes, though, like like Iwas talking to brad that day, it
was like felt kind of lighterafter, because he's been through
the ultimate you're losing achild I can't imagine.

(39:51):
No, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
Um so anyway oh all right okay well at the end of
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Speaker 1 (40:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
I'm just wondering was thatpart mundane?

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Speaker 4 (42:35):
Since we're talking industry stuff tonight, a little
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industry headed in the next fiveyears?
Our industry, oh gosh.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
Which Doom and gloom.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
I don't know.
I mean, I know what I wouldlike to see happen, which is to
kind of come back to finding anddeveloping really strong talent
without you know, withoutworrying so much about okay,
what do they have social on thesocials right now?
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(43:17):
though they may not have asocial media following you know
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Speaker 1 (43:21):
Okay, so how does?
How does that happen, is thequestion.
Because we are in a day and ageof social media, that rules.
Unfortunately, that's a fact.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
The success of uh oh, I think you can find them, I
think I think labels not tosocial, you know social media
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Well, that's what I mean.
I feel like we can still find atalent and let them use the
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(43:56):
Instagram followers or TikTok.

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Build a career from the ground up, let them help.

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We used to do that.

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You need to go check him out.

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Well that's what Knox did with.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
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Speaker 3 (44:24):
So I wonder yeah, they would break the artist.
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Speaker 4 (44:28):
And then the label participates.
Neil actually nailed it.
That's exactly right, though.
Neil nailed it.
Love the labels, but it'sbecoming okay.
What's your Instagram following?

Speaker 2 (44:37):
They don't have to.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
It want you to bring it in and, um, we're missing out
on a lot of great talentbecause of that.
Okay, so maybe I'm gonna try toanswer my own question to you.
Um, maybe, because some ofthese artists that will rename
name remain nameless.
The crown has gotten to me.
Sometimes they get out therelive and it doesn't translate.

(45:09):
That's a fact.

Speaker 4 (45:10):
Or, worse than that, we find out who they really are.
Right, and that I mean labelsspend two years propping these
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Speaker 1 (45:24):
No, and so they get out there live and people go you
don't want to name names, Idon't.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Let's go viral.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
But what I'm saying is I want to.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Let Kurt get his point out.
This may be why we don't hearfrom him much.
Okay, go ahead, kurt.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, but that is my point and that's how we built
superstars was because they wentin the trenches, they gained a
following, they had supporters,they built their following All
of it at one.
So now it's a TikTok world andthey get out there live and
people are like eh, not reallymy thing, he wasn't as good as I

(46:07):
thought.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Cody Johnson was like from the ground up.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Oh yeah, there's been a couple of them.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, he's one of them.
I bet he doesn't even have asocial media account.
He may now.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Well I'm wondering like, yeah, does Chris
Stapleton's, that's right.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Does he have a social yeah, but you know, Stapleton,
Cody Johnson, those guys came, Imean they built their
followings.
I mean, Stapleton made it inone night with Justin Timberlake
, but that was freaking.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
But like so if Stapleton came out.

Speaker 4 (46:38):
That was their performance of the century.
It's a good point, though,cause when Chris came along,
still he kind of blew up stillbefore, like the real, you know,
the TikTok and the realemphasis on the social media.
It's been the last five years.
It feels like it's reallyturned to.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
It's almost a prerequisite and I don't even
say it's almost, it actually isa prerequisite Like to let
people in on what's happening.
You can't get a record deal99.9 of the time if you don't
have a social media followingalready which is why I love what
jason's done with night trainrecords and signing john morgan.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
Yeah, john morgan had he is the zero one percent, but
it takes someone like Jason.
Wait a minute.
Do I own a record label?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
No, it's a cool name.
Now they just use your name.
Oh, oh oh.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I'll send you a t-shirt.
Well for you.
Gotta pay for it Half off.

Speaker 6 (47:39):
You don't get any royalties off of it.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
But seriously, though , it takes someone like Jason to
say you know what, I'm going tosign you and use the machine to
kind of build up your socialmedia, and now John's sitting
there with basically a top 10.
So I think it's there.
You just got to approach itlike old school A&R, which I
kind of miss the days you knowthere's one.

(48:05):
I'm not sure how you guys feelabout this, but one way of
thinking is like, okay, it'snice to have Spotify and all
that stuff and people canrelease music, YouTube and all
that stuff, but it's also niceto have the head of a label with
an A&R team saying we believein this guy, let's cut great
songs.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, let's build it from the ground up, yeah, yeah,
anyway that's.
I mean I can almost see likeboth sides of it.
I'm not a producer, not artistsor anything like that, but like
back in the day which we wereused to with A&R and we'd pitch
songs and they'd have artistsand sign them and they would
spend money and they would breakthis act.
Then you could say, okay,there's some great talent got
out there, but there was still abunch that that didn't get

(48:46):
signed for.
Whatever.
You know, there's a lot ofpeople that are super talented
and there's no rhyme or reasonwhy you know your songs are
recorded and theirs aren't andyou stay here and you get paid
and they go back to oklahoma.
You know, just not a lot oftimes a lot of talented people
just don't make it.
So you, you might could arguelike back in the day there
wasn't enough getting in, andnow maybe there's just multiple

(49:08):
ways in.
And I would say, just to go tothe question of where do you
think the industry will be infive years, I think some
talented people will always beleft out, but I think music will
always find a way and I thinkthe great ones that are stubborn
enough to figure it out we'llfigure it out and get out there
somewhere.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
John Morgan's a perfect example of that.
I mean there's I mean 99.9% ofthe artists out there can't
carry his lunch, and it'sstarting to show.

Speaker 4 (49:37):
I'm worried about our craft, though as a song,
writing part of it.
Oh, that I'm scared to death of, because we should be, because
you know radio is definitelylet's be honest you can see it
happening where it feels likethe streaming services are
dictating.
Chart.
I have a solution for that, bythe way.

(49:58):
Well, I mean we should get onit, because it's you know.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
It's more of a suggestion.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
What is it that?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
would be a solution.
I'm interested because I wonderif it's no.
Elon Musk needs to buy Spotify.
Hmm, reconfigure the pie of howthe money gets allocated.
Leave Pandora, apple Music, allthe rest of them out for the
time being.
Take over Spotify.

(50:26):
Own all the music for the timebeing or stream all the music.
Pay the writers what their fairshare is.
Get everybody to jump on boardon Spotify.
Leave everybody else out in thecold and everybody eventually
will have to come in and play bythe rules.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
It's got to happen.
I don't know if people areinterested in this or not.
I think it's a great happen.
I don't know if people areinterested in this or not, but I
think it's a great idea it is.
But with spotify and withdigital royalties, producers are
actually paid pretty well.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Players are actually yep paid pretty well there was a
year that I made more moneyfrom singing harmonies on
jason's record than I did as asong.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Yeah, vocalists are paid very well.
The songwriters are not.
We're the only ones, as thatkind of entity, that are not
being paid for digital streams.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
So Elon, if you're listening, help a brother out.
I want you to buy Spock Help abrother out and also as well.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
I mean, we have so many friends at radio.
Radio has been so good to us.
Everyone at this table hasbenefited from the great people
at Country Radio.
I get concerned a little bit byfollowing by so much of the
streaming, like how that affectsthe playlist.
It's like radio is a very inthis genre.
Radio to me is still verypowerful.

(51:40):
Like if you have an artistthat's streaming a million a
week on Spotify, it's probablystill can't really go out and
sell a lot of hard tickets, butwhen you got a top 10 or top
five you can really feel okay,well, all of a sudden you're
selling 800 tickets at a club.
Right, it's a powerful tool.
I hope radio realizes howpowerful they are and they can

(52:03):
break artists too.
If they approached it like theywanted to break an artist that
maybe wasn't on spot.
You know what I mean.
Like instead of following thetrends of what's streaming,
because otherwise what's thereason to listen to radio?
Because it really, I meanthere's, you know it's all we
have left.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And when it's gone, this profession, the songwriting
profession is gone, it goesextinct.
Yeah, you know, and that's whyI was saying the elon, you know
he's a creator.
Elon Musk is a creator, he's aninventor, he's a creator, he's
a creative mind.
That's what we do and we don't,we're not being compensated for

(52:41):
the, for our creativity.
These days, with streaming,it's just.
And when radio goes away, whenterrestrial radio goes away,
we're we're done.

Speaker 4 (52:48):
It's over away, we're , we're done, it's so.
What happens then?
Okay, say, say, like we don'thave like an elon, come down and
save everything.
What happens to people like us,who, who want to write great
songs, and and the young artistsneed, need us to help write
songs with them, it's going tobe up to the labels in them.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
do you think to split the pie a little more evenly?
Yeah, than it already, than itis now, because it's we're.
We're a sliver that you canbarely see in the pie.
That's where we are right nowand it's going to be up to them.
The labels are going to have tolet loose, the artists are
going to have to let loose.
Or continue to write your ownstuff and it's going to suck.

Speaker 3 (53:28):
Yeah, for the artists who are writing, you know, and
those camps, those people thatare blessed enough to be in
those camps, they're generallygoing to survive pretty good.
And you do have, you know, andit's difficult because
technology will always outrunthe law.
But you have NSAI, you haveBart Herbson, you know, over
there on the hill with us,nashville Songwriters
Association.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
That dude's a warrior man.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
And trying, like everything you know, to get
writers fairly compensated.
It just, it just takes a lot ofpeople, it takes a lot of money
and just kind of it's hard.

Speaker 2 (54:00):
I may get an apartment in Washington.
I think that'd be great.
I may get an apartment in DC.
I think it'd be great and juststay on them.
I may do it, I'm serious, I maydo it.
That may be my calling Yep, butyou don't like to go off campus
very much.
I don't know.
But I may get an apartment inDC.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
I may do it.
I don't think people reallyrealize either how much the
songwriters don't make fromstreaming.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Yeah, it's almost criminal.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I'll give you an example.
Yeah, it's almost criminal.
I'll give you an example.
I mean on a three-way, maybethree-way 100,000 streams.
By the time it's all split up,the rider on 100,000, a
three-way one of the riders isgoing to make about $24.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
$24 on 100,000 streams.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
So do the math.
I think that's roughly it rightaround that area.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
By the time it's all split.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
You make about $24 every.
You know about 100,000 streams$27, something like that.
Yeah, so go ahead and amp thatup to a million streams and then
go ahead and amp it up to 2million, 10 million streams.
You're still poor.
If you just want to come hereand write songs, you are going
to be probably in the future,five years from now, there's a

(55:17):
possibility you're going to bepoor if that's what you want to
do.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
Yeah, ooh, yeah, and that's what this town's built on
on songwriters, you know, andit's sad to see it kind of going
that way.
You know what I mean, butyou've seen a decline in quality
of song.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
You know God, this is so depressing.
I know I was like we got tochange gears Anyway let's go
with this one.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
I don't think it's a downer at all, I mean it's not
going to change until peoplespeak up.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
I don't think people realize it though either the
listeners?

Speaker 2 (55:54):
No, they don't.
And they don't realize that theGrammys are not voted on by the
fans.
They don't realize that that'svoted on by the industry.
It's the only reason Beyoncewon Country Album of the Year.
Are you freaking, kidding me?
That wasn't voted on by.
Here we go.
I'm fixing to go, I knowFinally we got trash talking.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Let's change gears a little bit.
This one's from Tim.
Has anything weird or funnyever happened on stage, like,
have you fallen or ripped yourjeans or anything, dolly, have
you?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
ever ripped your jeans?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Just make sure you wear black underwear.
Well, I have definitely fallen.
That is a thing.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Ben, I don't remember that Is been a video it's been
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Go search your youtube.
I have definitely fallen.
It's been a minute, um.
But and then he says well, whatdo you do if you've fallen?
Well, you get up.
I mean you, you gotta own it.
It's kind of a thing.
Yeah, what do you do?
I mean you do, enough shows,something's gonna happen.
How would you fall?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
I don't remember, you don't run.
I mean, you, you're prettyactive on stage, but you don't
run.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well, I mean, I'm not forrest gump, I was running
here's a funny story for you.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
So back in 2001 or 2 we were doing a showcase at the
stage on Broadway in Nashville.
Me and Kurt were in a band.
And we're doing the showcaseand he jumps up and then he
lands and he's like on theground on his back like kind of
wincing but still playing.

(57:28):
So I'm like, wow, Kurt, kurt's,I can land it out there.
And then I like it, so I wentand I I kind of I kind of went
and stood over him, you know,and kind of started playing over
him, like stepping on him, I'mlike yes, it's awesome it was
total rock and roll.
And then I realized that he waswincing in pain.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
He's grabbing his chest actually no he, actually
he actually blew his knee out.
Yeah, I tore my ACL on stage.
I went up for a jump.
If anybody knows Eddie VanHalen, he used to jump up.
I loved Eddie.
He did the split, yeah, so Iused to do that all the time and
I went up and I came down andthat knee went out.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
I thought it was rocking out.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
That happens in pickleball too, it's still rock
and roll, even with the blownknee.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
It's rock and roll.
We carried him off.
It was really rock and roll.
Did you hold?

Speaker 3 (58:16):
that one finger up on the way out Like a stretcher,
like they do on a football field.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
I did this.
Did I hear that you've had fourACL?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
surgeries.
Yeah, it's been a bad run.
Now Kurt used to, I meanserious.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I don't know a football player that's had four
ACL surgeries.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Well, after a while you get tired of rehabbing.
So they're weak and they'remore susceptible.

Speaker 4 (58:38):
He could jump too Back in the day air.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
Air.
Yeah, I'm trying to think.
I don't think.
In all of the what 25-plusyears we've been together, I
can't think of anything that'shappened to you on stage ever
that has been.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
He maintains the A-frame.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
He just maintains the A-frame Solid stance.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
And he plays bass.
I mean, you know how muchmovement is there?
There's only four strings.
Wow, my God.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
He looks good.
He can't move around, he wantseverybody to look at him.
He can't see him.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
if he's having a brain disorder, you have a great
stance.
There's some stills around here.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
I got to know when you two, Kurt and Tully, when
did y'all grow the beards?
What was the facial hair?
When did that come on Mine?

Speaker 1 (59:23):
wasn't Well, I did it a while ago, the early videos.
There's no facial hair.
There's no facial hair, no, nono, maybe 10 or 15 years ago I
did a beard for about a year,but then I got rid of it
Recently.
Maybe the last two or threeyears You've kind of always done
a little bit of stubble.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
Yeah, it's been a long time since I had a
clean-shaven face.
This is very mundane.
This is riveting.
This is riveting.
Are you talking about gettingsome?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
followers.
Just keep going, Because we arethere ain't no telling what's
guys are we getting?
Are we just stacking up Woo?
Boy, the ticker is yeah keeptalking about your beard growing
, go on.

Speaker 6 (01:00:02):
This is great yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
We could talk about your hernia.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Oh gosh, I got thought of a great song idea, at
least out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
True I thought of a great song idea, at least out of
it I don't want to mention itbecause somebody will steal it
from us.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
We're all on it, but yeah don't mention the title.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
No, I won't say the title, but because Kalo had a
hernia, we all got to feel it,we all got to see it, because he
was proud of it.
It was sticking out like anipple.
It was like he had threenipples.
No, it was down here by yourbelly button, but it was
sticking out like a nipple.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
It's not a nipple, but it was really cool.
Wait, did you see it?

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Oh God yeah oh yeah, he showed it to us.
God, god, god.
And we got a song idea out ofit and the four of us wrote it.
Really, oh yeah, that's wherethe song idea came from.
You've got to be kidding me.
Drugs he got on drugs.
He started taking pills for thepain.
It was fantastic.
He skirted.

Speaker 6 (01:00:51):
We wrote a song, y'all stay tuned the song may or
may not.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Wouldn't that be awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Stay tuned.
Here's one, let's get one morein.

Speaker 4 (01:01:07):
We better make it really good, I don't know, a lot
of pressure.
What's your random skill orhobby?
You have that people don't knowabout.
Kurt, go ahead.
Thank you, that's my gift toyou tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Get us going?
Has anybody got one Becauserandom skill or hobby?
I have a very random skill.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Okay, what I mean?
It's a stupid skill.
What is it?
I could type like 60 words aminute.
Are you serious?
I haven't done it in a while,but for some reason in high
school the only thing that stuckwith me was this keyboarding
class you do, you do all fourfingers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
I'll go in A, s, d, F , I mean you know the home row.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
we learned that in seventh grade.
I mean I took it and then youcan just type no seriously,
though, I could type pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
How come, when we write you don't have a laptop,
you have an iPad.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
I know it why.
I'm just saying I don't thinkmy typing skills are sharp right
now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
No, he has an Apple too.

Speaker 4 (01:02:06):
For a long time.
I mean I could type Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
That's time, like I mean I could, I could type okay,
that's good, that's, that's agreat answer.
It's very random.
That's very random.
I mean, it's that's the onethat threw me.
The word random threw me.

Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
I'm like, oh god, I can't think of anything random
we all have tons of hobbies thatwe like, but like a random
weird skill loving onlanabecause he's had a random hobby.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Oh, that's gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
That's good enough what about you, calo?
I don't think.
No, I don't.
I mean, besides typing, which Ibelieve the whole world can do,
I don't have any.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
What is it with you tonight?
I don't have a mundane skill.

Speaker 6 (01:02:55):
He's on telly tonight .

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
What is it?
No, everybody types.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Is there?
Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
Everybody types, oh yeah.
Oh gosh, yeah, okay, I didn'tknow that I think I mean right I
mean everybody still goes toschool, right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
I don't know, I think most people type like this that
makes sense yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
I got all fingers going Can you type.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Caleb yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I can type.
Why don't we have a typingcontest?

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Good Lord.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
We could.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Forget the pickleball .
If you thought this episode wasexciting.
Wait until next week when wehave a typing contest, the
type-off.
It'll be fantastic.
Bring in the standardtypewriters.
Guys, Cut the white out.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:34):
Do you have a random one A?

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
random talent, a hobby, no.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
No, I enjoy golf.
I mean, it's not exciting, it'sa hobby.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
It's not a random skill yeah, it's not random.
You said hobby no random hobby?

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
No, I have nothing Golf's not random.
I've got nothing.
I have nothing.
Kurt, let's not miss you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
I want to end this thing before we.
No, I think K-Lo's would be ahand sanitizer.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
That's not a hobby, it's not a hobby, mr Been Sick
Since November, who now carrieshand sanitizer?

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I do you know I was going to read Ed's question.
How do you guys get along so?

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
well Still.
You know I was going to readEd's question.
How do you guys get along sowell Still after?

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
all this time, but this is how.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
That's next episode.

Speaker 6 (01:04:15):
Yeah, this is next episode, Guys.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
I'm serious.
I hope everybody enjoyed it.
I hope you stuck it out.
It was a little bit of here,there, everywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I love it.
It's fantastic, I know you do.
I feel like I haven't seen youguys in years had some football
news come across.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Oh what, what do?

Speaker 4 (01:04:31):
you give it to us, breaking news, oh well, you
probably saw it probably notbreaking um.
So the rams are looking totrade cooper cup?
Yeah, I saw that actually see aquarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Good lord, no, I'm kidding surprising, though.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
I mean maybe, maybe, maybe not, I don't know yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I don't know I love football Ditching the money.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
So, speaking of that, since you brought that up, yeah
, who in the draft?
Who I know what quarterback Iwould love to see the Titans
draft, but which one would y'alllike to see?
Cam Ward, yeah, I'm with you,that's my pick.

Speaker 4 (01:05:07):
We have a quarterback , my pick.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
We have a quarterback .
He's definitely my pick,definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
I mean, I don't know if he's worth a number one pick,
but I think they need to pickhim.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
They need a picking quarterback.
Cam Ward.
I've watched him too much.
He's freaking, he's a baller.
I think the dude has got it.
Yeah, he's a baller.
Should we talk Super?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Bowl picks.
And I think he's smart, so thisepisode will come out after the
Super Bowl airs.
So give your winner.
Give your winner.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Winner.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Who's in it?
The refs.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Eagles Chiefs.
Neil takes the refs, so thatmeans the Chiefs.
No, I'm going with the Eagles,are you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
I'm going to go Eagles.
I got to go Eagles.
There's too many Alabama.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
I just can't go against.
No, I'm going with the Eagles,are you?
I'm going to go Eagles.
I got to go Eagles.
There's too many Alabama guyson their team.
I just can't go against.
No, I'm not going to go againstMahomes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Bet against Mahomes.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
He's a winner he is.
That's why I want to get beat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
That'd be fun, I'd like to see him get beat.

Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yeah, I just want to see taylor swift cry.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
She used to cry.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
That's what I want she's to cry at every concert I
don't want, you may still do itokay real quick I don't I don't
think she'll cry last questionlast question do you still think
that that's a legitimaterelationship, or is it arranged?

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
yeah, I don't have any idea, but it's, it's, it's
going on a little bit long it,it is, it's absolute folly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:33):
Why would it be arranged Like who would benefit
the most?
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
who would arrange it.
I think they both benefited.
He has definitely benefited.
He would benefit much more.

Speaker 3 (01:06:41):
I don't think she needed more profile.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
I mean it's fair.
No, she doesn't need it.
It.
No, absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I don't know At this point.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
I think people are changing the station every time
they show her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:55):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Let's end this thing, guys.
Right, like the whole thing.
Yes, this is our last episode.
It has been fun, but we can doother things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
We can definitely do other things better than this.
No no, seriously, we appreciateyou guys.
Thanks for sticking with us.
Thrash Kalo, captain TK, thisis the Patriot Mobile Studios
and this is also the Try that ina Small Town podcast.
Thanks for listening.

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