Merry Pinku Christmas

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh ho, what I can hear you from the other room.
That is so funny.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
I was like swell between that and like, okay, when
like jingle balls.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Or what was the songs that we hear at the
like when we went to the store, we hear like
Christmas song like jingle bells? And then what was the
other one?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
I mean, I'm dreaming of a white Christmas all over
my face.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
No, and then the one I girl grew up with
like always hearing it was the Spanish song for Lis
Navidad and like the record and it I want to
be wall merry Christmas. I want to issue a merry
christ miss. I want to be a merry Christmas. Welling
up bottom of my hume just kidding, I made out.

(00:51):
We saw.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
One multiple actually multiple yes mobile now one there's a
shower one and then also like a scene in kind
of her sex dungeon. So very Christmas appropriate because the other.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Two, the other two films don't have that. No, just
a lot of masturbation one or two. I mean, as
you guys are listening to us, where as you can tell,
we're we're gonna talk about some special special gifts today.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
In this very special Christmas episode of two in the Pinku.
We'll be covering three Christmas films.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Well one is literally Christmas and then the other two
are a Christmas adjacent.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
There's a little bit of Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
You know, somebody got their coals, you know, some coal
in their stockings.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I think the coal came out.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's the best way to think about it. Yeah,
So we're doing a special Christmas episode for today for you,
for all you got, all you people who listen to us.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
For everybody at home.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
You know, it's a day before Christmas Eve. So we
decided to just do it since we're we're not working
and there's a storm coming, and you know, why not.
And this would be probably our last episode for the year.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
Well maybe if we want to kind of just do
a Sacchi a mono double bill for the new year,
that could be kind of fun. Throw that out.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
That's eat I'm saying for the year.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
But that would be still like December thirtieth. Well, we'll
still the week after Christmas.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I'd be saying, we just need to like not do anything.
But whatever, I mean, Dakota is just like, let's just
keep on going.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Let's just Oh I was saying like just kind of
whip out something to build up our back catalog a
little bit. I mean, okay, sure, we'll see if we
do one next week as like a wrap up of
the year, it'd be kind of fun if it's like
a short thing like the Sauchi ones, and maybe just
do kind of like a fun little wrap up of
like oh, our journey, doing this, like doing the screening,

(02:52):
like other things we've done throughout the year, hopes for
the future, thoughts and prayers.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
And I promise I won't be as hateful too new
uh pinkoo felt followers.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Wait does someone say mean sorry?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think people think I mean, oh, which is fine.
I get that.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
I mean you got some col in your stock, Dane,
I do. It's only one way to get it out.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Yeah, put in your whole fist in there.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh oh my god. Okay, Wait when why said like
a Christmas episode? What were you? Did you have others
in mind at all? Or you just kind of rolled
with it.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
I usually go with whatever you decide.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I cannot be yes.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah, I mean people should know. I just go for
the ride. I don't really plan anything. I mean there's
times when I have planned stuff for an episode. I'm like, yeah,
we should do this. Most of the time, you're the
one you pick it out, because.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
You didn't suggest Sachi. You said we should do that.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, Sauchi because I love the title of that Big Tits,
the real oh, the real Big Tits. Also because we
love Sauchi and you know, when it comes to lesbians. Also,
because we were doing that special Lesbian List.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
We did stout Sachi Himano in it, we did.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Shut her out. So I figured, let's do one with
Sachi and and you got those VHS's. I was like, yeah,
that makes sense because right now, I know with the
new Sado release that came out that everybody and their
mama's getting. Now, I think we could wait till the
new year to like do that with that episode because.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
We want maybe sometime like late January too, that could work.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, because again at two in the Pink Ou maybe.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Could like we have like an official season two and
that's what we come back with.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Well, also, it's like we do watch other pink films
that are not.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
And we do watch normal films, even watching the revivs
set from Vinegar Syndrome.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
Oh yes, and then we watched a couple of lifetime.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Films, very classy stuff.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Oh that one we watched last night was actually kind
of fun, And then we watch a lot of weird
YouTube videos to go to sleep.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
We'll also be working on another video essay, but I
don't think that's due until sometime in late January.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
We're good. Oh, and that one's gonna be That one's
an easier one because there's not as much films out
there in our topic.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
It'll be good, very thorough, very thorough.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
But there's as research as we did with the lesbians,
because again, tuneipinka, we love lesbians. So shout out to
our lesbian followers out there. You know who you are?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
In uniforms No, no, that's the name of the movie.
I know, but like no uniforms anymore, noforms, you know what,
We're all grown up.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
That trilogy disturbed me. It bothered me.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
It I will never look at a garden known the
same way.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
That and also sometimes doing in the butt is not okay.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
No means no, yes, yes okay. So today we're going
to cover three Christmas theme episode three Christmas Tame episode
three Christmas Theme films from Pink Film. I'll probably have
like a wrap up question forwards the end. We could
probably start off on the order we watched it.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, why not?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I mean, so we watch Erotic Ghost Story, Female Ghost
and Heat nineteen ninety five, specifically August twenty fifth. It's
an okur Eiga film. Also, it's from Sutoro Kobayashi.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
Wait, so it came out at night in ninety five
and August twenty fifth, so that's two days after you
have two days after my birth turn twelve. I was twelve?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
No, no, you were twelve?

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, twelve.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Wow, you're watching Japanese ghosts. Get it on.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
I probably saw it in a dream or something, and
she came to you. She can't.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
She literally came to me, Oh my god, I would
have been two.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, you would have been two. Oh gosh, you know. Yeah,
you guys do the math when you listen the age
difference between us.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh gosh, I'm curious where our listeners like where they
who are there kind of closer to an age of
the two of us.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
I think they're closer. There's like, I think it's going
to be half and half, so half are going to
be closer to you and younger. Because there's young.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
There's also gonna be people older than you.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
No, there's the age group as me.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
But there will be people older than you listening to this.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, but are they as beautiful as me? I'm
just kidding.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Are they as possessed as you?

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I mean, as long as they're not twinks?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Well, we did see our favorite twink in the first.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
We did we did, which we we celebrated, we got
excited for. So let's talk about I was gonna say
erotic ghost Stories.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
It is erotic ghost story, No, but I was thinking
that the Animal ghost Stories, the anime. Oh god, I
love it.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I was thinking of I was thinking of that because
of how demented that was. But yeah, and this one.
I think we both said it best in our Letterbox review.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
This was actually a recommendation from our friend b York
from Letterbox. Also, I did not expect anything from this,
mostly because of the director, Sato Kobayashi. He's been very
hit or miss right. So if someone's really getting into
pink film, they're gonna know of his name because he
launched the genre flesh market for a core aiga. But
as a director, he's very journeyman, kind of soulless, kind

(08:24):
of fun. We have covered his two gay pink teacher films.
We really like the one where like the teacher slapped
the student.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Oh that summer school session.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Also the student who is Shuichi Shirado is in this movie.
Oh yes, yes, so it's kind of fun connection there.
But yeah, like because of like Kobayashi's output is pretty bargain.
Ben I was like, okay, I didn't know what this
is going to be like, but it's so fun. I
was actually shocked.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah, same, because it was really ridiculous actually in a
good way.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
It was in music, like the melodramatic pianos, the wailing too,
especially the ghost wailing that plays as like the ghost
isn't even like she's not even moving her mouth to
match it.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
But then it plays it's supposed to be a drama.
I'm supposedly a drama, but it actually plays as a
comedy to me, yes, because it's very absurdist because again,
doctors behaving badly in this in this film, you know
a lot of doctors doing a lot of weird experiments, right.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, and also like strange reactions like if you if
you see you know, like your husband, you know, like
you see your husband having sex with the ghost. What
is your reaction right, Like, are you gonna call, you know,
call a preece, call for help, run away? No, You're
gonna drop the floor and masturbate.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean at this point I would assume they would
maybe call Ghostbusters after masturbation.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
I mean, there is actually like a porn parody of
Ghostbusters with Ryugi.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
I haven't tracked it down though yet.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
We'll get it soon. Yeah, someday, someday because we love
we love the Ryugi. Shout out to Ryuji.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
But yeah, God, do you want to do like a
breakdown the plot or should I?

Speaker 1 (10:16):
I think we just explained the plot.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay. So a young couple like a doctor and a nurse.
They want to reopen his father's hospital, so we he
later becomes like haunted by a female ghost. The female
ghost is played by now Sey GiMA. At this point,
she was twenty seven. We've seen her actually a few times.
She's in a live shooting title where she kind of
is like a punk rock hairdoo and makes a guy

(10:39):
so submissive for a bit. I don't know if you
remember it too, and I don't quite remember the name
of the title, but she was extremely active within adult video.
She's also in do you remember it's one of the
last Roman porno, it's an art heist one, and then
there's like a picture of Garnica like as a wallpaper.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Oh that's the romaneques where it's she's kind of yeah, yeah,
I remember her face like that.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
We've seen her before, Like she can act, and that's
kind of what she was known for, like even though
she was working with adult video, that she could really act.
At one point, she's also claimed that like adult video,
like the sex wasn't real, yes, which also could be
true because I think the same is the case for
maybe Hittomy Kobyashi or Eve. One of those also is like, Okay,
the sex wasn't real, it was just stage right, but

(11:26):
fans didn't care. That's interesting in a callback also, I
guess like one of a regular pink film. So we
see our favorite pervert, Yuichi Manado play the father in
the flashbacks. So when he ran the hospital, his wife
is played by Yumi Yoshiyuki, he was sleeping around with
all the nurses. Then Yumiyoshiyuki like blackmailed the lover the

(11:47):
mistress played by Nasa Jima, then also killed her. Yeah yeah,
right again, So that kind of leads to the whole
trauma of it. Yumiyoshuki is also really like fun and
manipulave and deranged in this. I was kind of surprises too,
because she's kind of like a regular go time girl.
She can play very comedic roles. I've never quite seen
her go like dark before, but she was fun.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
I mean, she wasn't dark, she was very light. Oh,
she was very ghostly ghostly.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Also the special effects in this is really funny the
way they liked the layering. They did some like fun
video layering with it.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Not like you see like a ghost come out of
the dead body. We also see the ghosts go up
the stairs. There's also the psychedelic layering, almost a kaleidoscope
thing of like the ghost too kind of morphine and
going on to a guy.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Yeah, or when she's blowing the loop, she.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Was getting his life fors and also riding him to
get the life force. But also he was in denial
that it was happening to such a point that the
wife has to go to her friend played by her
favorite twink, Yeah, Kasuwatsuki, who's also somehow a magazine writer.
In this, it was kind of like what Yeah. Then
she's playing the video of it, like, oh my god,
this happened. Do you believe it? What do we do?

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Masturbate?

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Masturbate? Yes, And then the ghost also steals cause with
Tuki's life for us. I mean it makes sense, right,
I mean, anyone with a dick on the set, you
know it's gonna get dream.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Can you imagine being a ghost and just like I'm
gonna go fuck whoever, I want to just take their
life forse.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
That's kind of a dream.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
It's kind of a dream. Yeah, because I'm like all
the lists I have.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I was like, oh my god, keep going right.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
You know you got celebs, you got like yeah, there's
so many people. If you want to know a list,
you can message us on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
Some people have a lot of unfinished business, but are
also good at finishing people off.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah that'd be fun, right imagine. But anyway, so yeah,
so that's basically what happens in the film.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Also, okay, I guess like explaining why this is a
Christmas episode, so it does take place over winter. There's
a scene where now Sajima's character, when she was alive,
she miscarries next to a Christmas tree, outside with snow,
Christmas music is playing, and then she goes back to
the hospital, you know, like, oh my god, help me,
I just Misscarrie. Yumi Yoshi Yuki, the doctor's wife, manipulates

(14:11):
her like, oh, I'm a doctor. He's like my father
was a doctor. I can perform the surgery. Then she
kills her. Yeah, love it, but again it takes place
on Christmas. If These Walls could talk Part two, Oh
my god. I mean she's kind of like a sucky
best too, like Livly, not the life force of men.
But I guess specifically this ghost is trying to like

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haunt anyone of the doctor Yuchi Manado's blood, so that's
why she's going after the sun.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, I mean we've seen Yuichi Manado a lot too
throughout the nineties, especially like the Toro. Kobayashi loves to
use him. So again, like Yuichi's pretty like heavy or older, sleazier.
At this point, it's pretty fun to see dal acting.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yeah, when you you're like, oh, look who it is,
and I'm like, oh, oh, how old you think you
when he did this film? Yeah shit, he was probably
what thirties or forties. Luichi Minado No no because no, wait,
he was like seventy, right.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
He's sixty.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Oh listen, it's a rough looking sixty.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
You know, gotta keep working, gotta collect the retirement in
big film.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
God, Matt, I don't think there was a retirement for
these pink stars, you know what.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Who wants to retire? No, you just keep on keep
on licking.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Keep on licking, and keep on masturbating, keep on riding the.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Train, keep on spreading that holiday cheer.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Yeah. So basically that's all like the Christmas part of it,
because everything else is just like hauntings and masturbations going into.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
There's a wintery vibe though too. Throughout it it's very cold.
I really like the use of this hospital that they
probably just kind of found and went into too.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Oh yeah, it was a random hospital or they probably
biddle set.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
So we had the set though, like it had the
the flirk stand up to where you check in, so
they'd say, must been able to at least like use
someone something. I mean, we've seen a sachi mano, like
a gay one go into an abandoned hospital before.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yes, and somehow they're still practicing.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
I mean as a ghost story. Though. It's kind of
a favorite genre of a kurra eiga. So in the sixties,
so Tori Kobayashi, he directs Upside Down Ghosts Chinese horror,
breaking a coffin for them. Oh okay, Now in horror,
it's it's a longer title, but it's a horror film
for core Eiga. And then the follow up for it,

(16:31):
he does kind of these horror pinku hybrids like Ghost
from the Continent or Ghost Story Crol Phantom. Then you
get his former assistant director Kenyogawa continue it. So throughout
the sixties and into the early seventies, a cour has
these kind of ghosts for pinku hybrids. It'd be like
a dream release if like a Mona Macabre or another
label interested in that could pull these out right. But again,

(16:55):
like him doing this in the nineties is like a
really fun callback to that, like his own career from
like thirty years ago at that point, I think it works.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Oh no, absolutely, I think everybody should watch this. It's
really fun.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's easy. Oh, it's so, it's so easy to enjoy
if you just want like a silly ghost. E wrote
a comedy, do it five stars?

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I think we gave it four and a half this one,
I think.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
So may I give it three and a half, but
honestly I almost want to give it four, you know, I.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Mean talking about it, kind of reliving it, I think
a four would be best because.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Okay, first, Totora Kobayashi, by his standards, this should be
like a four movie.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
This should be like yes, yes, but at first, like
when we first saw it, and then we watched it
again and we kind of relived it, and now talking
about it, I think it's a four because it's just
it's kind of zany. It's a little like it's like what.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's really nicely paced too, like it keeps moving. Also
love the style everyone also tries more than they needed
to do. And also now like now Sagima like she
has she looks great too. The film also uses a
lot of like shots of her breast too, like which
was she was kind of known for her larger figure.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Right, Oh my god, those close up with her breasts
that some of those scenes were like, oh my god, amazing,
that's a ghost. I know she has some she has
some ghost titties.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
I know she was hooting and holleran like that on
the movie and then.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Whatever she was doing, I was like, what, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
The whaling too, especially because like her it's the whaling
was played over her sex scenes and it doesn't match.
She's not whaling dearing it. She's kind of just like
rocking back and forth and doing stuff. But then the
ghost is like, oooooooo, it's so stupid. It's so stupid.
It's beautiful trying think what else so Hotorically, actually the

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director was stixy five, so this is kind of his
like last career stretch. He dies in two thousand and
one again, so like it's weird. It's almost like in
the nineties. It kind of starts trying a bit again.
Sometimes with his gay ones too, so it's that's always
like it's really fun, really enjoyable. Also, this is like
a bread and butter pink film. It's like, you know,
it's from a core Eiga. Yeah, it's interesting. The wisers

(19:15):
in Japanese Cinema Encyclopedia, page one thirty, they get the
plot of the movie right, but then they confuse two
of the like the actors the roles. They say in
it that now Sajima the ghost is the nurse, but
it's it should be switched, like she's not the she's
a former nurse, but she's not the young They say

(19:37):
that she's the young nurse who's being haunted at the beginning.
I'm like, no, she's a former nurse that turn into
a ghost. They need to switch the Kinako actress and
now Sagema around. I don't know if they actually watch
the movie.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
I don't think so, but that's just.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Kind of interesting to note. I was like, oh, here's
someone who mentioned it and ed it. Yeah, trying to
think what else, And there's a two thousand and four
DVD of this outy curious if like a real or
negative still exists from it. Maybe, I mean it's not
that old, No, no, no, yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
I think on a nicer restoration you could see a
little bit more of the ghost operation and other stuff,
and then you know, just clean up, just clean up
some the way it looks, but I think it's I
also like the way it looks with how grungy it
looks at the same time. Sometimes sometimes these films we
watch are not the best quality, but it adds a

(20:35):
nice track sometimes the time all the time, but then
they have a certain charm to them. And then because
then there's times when they restored them or they did,
like a like Nakatsu when they do some of their
restorations on DVD, it doesn't it doesn't feel the same.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
It doesn't have Totsu looks better with restorations because it's
their studio films with an intense like lighting, cinematography all that,
so seeing the whole production, getting the clarity of the colors,
that's beautiful with it. Nikatsu should be restored. There's never
like a movie with Nikatsu where I'm like, wow, be
so cool if they included like a VHS transfer of

(21:13):
the film. The difference, like maybe with Pink Film is
kind of interesting, like Asado one too, because like the
VHS transfer kind of gives it that dark, forbidden experience.
But they look great in the restoration I see with
like something like Assado could be interesting include as a bonus.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Feature right right to see like the how cleaned up
like a Nikatsu would do it.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, or even like if they did like behind the
scenes video like this is the prior thing, this is
how we restored it, this is what it looks like.
That would be kind of cool. I mean it's like
look at the REVIV set too. They're the next feature
that I haven't watched yet is like explaining the restoration process.
I would love if they did that for Asado's pink line, Yeah,
I would.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I mean also off topic too, like a core IgA
or now like op Picture. I don't think anyone is
hitting them up in terms of the blu ray market,
which is kind of crazy because like they started pink films,
like they started a pink film genre. They're still active
and alive, Like they're still putting out like twenty to
thirty films per year. Right. They're also the home of

(22:17):
like Dice Kaiya Amanucci, you know, the director of Girlhow
he's making pink films for them. It seems like a
missed opportunity that no one's like contacting them or trying
to like work out any type of the release because
you're talking about like a what like pods in the sixties.
That's I'm not mathing today, forty sixty years sixty years, Yeah,

(22:39):
like a sixty year filmography even if things like weren't available,
like it's such an interesting thing to pick through, right.
For sure, they seem down to I guess like down
to clown Gaga Oo La La, the gay Taiwanese streaming
service is licensing gay pink film from a Kora. That
makes sense, right, we're watching them, you are watching them.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Maybe maybe it's because like the people who are starting
to put pink film out now, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
They're thinking of a quora, because I know, like Chinteau
just has like the more acclaimed directors and has. I
think the King's as Souto.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I think that's what it comes down to, because I
think also the people who are doing this work they're
not familiar with like the whole history of pink.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah. Maybe, I mean, I don't know. I mean I
guess like it at some point, someone's gonna hit them up, right,
Like someone's gonna be the one to like nail in
that a core connection and like pop out the films.
You know what, Maybe it'll be us never erotic ghost
stories our first Oh that would be great, actually would
be I would love it.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
I think I think people would would love that. Right,
they would be in a fight.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
For like Christmas miscarriages to get a restoration. Oh my god,
So did this movie get you in the holiday spirit? No? No?

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I like the winnery vibes. Actually, I kind of vibed
with that no holiday horror.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
I would say, it's it's it didn't get me there.
It didn't take you all the way, It didn't take
me all the way like our other films. I think
there's maybe one of the one of those other two
got me there.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
I think I know which ones you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
I know that's why I'm like, maybe I don't know.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
We'll see I guess, quick shot up before we move on.
I couldn't find what this was double builed with when
originally played. Maybe perhaps because of its like unique uniqueness
as a ghost story. I wouldn't be surprised if in
nineteen ninety five a poor IgA put this movie with
one of sator Kobayashi's films from the sixties as always

(24:42):
callback maybe that could have been the original double bill, Like, oh,
we have these different ghost seams right at the time
of the year. But again, let's move on to your favorite.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh, okay, we're gonna talk about that one.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, what's the order we watched?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Oh that's true.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, Christmas is coming early. Oh Christmas came a lot.
I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Oh, I mean, I would say it's a it's it's
not like a personal favorite, but it's a it's up
there in the favorites of our Roman.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
X, which I don't think we vibed with it as
much when we first watched it.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
No, because like on this rewatch, I was like, oh,
I could appreciate it more. Yeah, and we both said, wow,
this has the most consent.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
The most consent.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Well, because the sequel is a lot more darker and
it's more sadistic, I would say it feels evil.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes, I was trying to remember the sequel, like, because
a girl gets kidnapped, but then at one point her
boyfriend joins in and starts abusing her as well. So
again it's a lot nastier.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Whereas this one, they're just a couple who's like, they're
not they're not together for like your destruction. They're just
there to see how how far they could push each other.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah, and I think the moral, the moral of the story, yeah,
is really like anyone can be a massachist. Yes, that's it,
like it's not it's not also supposed to be mean
about it. I think people would get freaked out by
obviously someone did. I'm gonna probably like pull up the
letterbox review too, just because I think it's like a
really interesting reaction. No, absolutely, what do you have to

(26:26):
say about this the sacrifice? Sacrifice?

Speaker 1 (26:29):
It's called the sacrifice and this is from eighty six,
I believe.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Eighty six February first, nineteen eighty six. Yes, so we
have a Nakatsu Roman X.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yes, shout out to our favorite Roman or Roman X period.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
God, I feel like we pretty much like come up
with any reason to cover a Roman X title on.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
This, I know, right, I think I think in our
previous episodes we always shout out a ROMANX. We always
like talk about it in some way.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
We always shut it out, we always should it out.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Oh my god, Yeah, I would say again consent. It's
a lot about consent in this one, because remember I
think we talked about it previously where I was like,
remember there was a film that starts off with the
girl tied up on a on a like in a
car or on the on the top of the car.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Oh, yeah, it's this one.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
It was this one because I thought it was a
different one. You know.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Honestly, this plus the sicon ones kind of blur together
for me. Also captured for sex to slash the sacrifice
to whatever you want to call it also blurs together,
mixing with like the Merry Away ones two that aren't
part of that.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Yeah, because these are I would say of all the
Roman ques, there's these like maybe like four or five
films and the like you just mentioned, they're the most
like BDSM heavy extreme, like you know BDSM stuff, right
because other Roman eques we have, like we watched or seen,
they have different They just have darker stories, a little

(27:57):
bit of BDSM, a little bit of this, little bit
of that. It's like, you know, just darker themes, a
little rougher sex. This one is like everything.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, I mean, because I wish people watch like the
bad side of roman X too. If someone's curious, just
like send a message to I guess, like tune the
pinko on Instagram. I could probably point your way in
the direction of this. There is levels within roman X
of like what I guess, like what people think is crazy, right,
like like maybe for someone like okay, like Jasper Sharp

(28:31):
has talked about woman in a box. That's probably the
high point of the genre.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
Yes, yes, they're seeing it gets.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Lower from there based off of like more Okay, it
gets lower from there in terms of like it goes
to like just straight up it's adult video and it's boring,
or it's something like this where it's kind of like
a BDSM Spectacle endurance test. Right, it still is like
adult video, but they're kind of getting creative with the
acts that they show in it.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
And also I would say Roman X is a little
bit it's more ballsy. It's very punk because the way
they do some of the scenes is very They just
go out and shoot something.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
I mean, it's what people like about Soto, right, the
gorilla style antics of it. I guess if people were like,
oh wow, I want to see more of that in
a different approach, like they should kind of go to
Roman X.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, because you get that same like they just sometimes
they just like, hey, we're gonna film it, shoot it,
just go and that's it.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
You're gonna walk someone like a dog out of the public.
I mean, which wasn't in this film, but it's been
in other ones.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Yes, yes, oh yeah debauchery, but that's not Roman X. No.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
But also I don't think that's really in public. That's
still a studio production, so I think it's like a
staging blocking of the setup.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Oh no, secon the Sicon they do that, that's one
they're no. And also with the sacrifice, because we mentioned
this too in our Lesbian List.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
You know, it's so funny that like, in a sense
we kind of crafted like a queer cannon yes of nikatsu,
and we also made sure to like throw shout outs
to like vile stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, because we also talked about like the nice, clean,
like beautiful, like oh, the serene stuff or like the
more simpler stuff, and then we're like the gutter trash
of like queering nakatsu, right, which we're we're kind of
talking about here. But then Mary Away is the queen
of that.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
I would say, you know, I've always made sure to
like reference her too, so I guess like stay tuned
for like upcoming writings. I'll say that, like I've always
thrown up reference to her and Saciamano too, just to
like hopefully whatever can generate interest, and like I guess
like the women in the genre doing really great stuff.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Yeah, because we talked about how like the difference between
the male gaze and the female gaze of these pink
films and Roman porno, a Roman X where you see
like a female version, like a female directed, you know,
female lead and female directed film compared to a male version,
and the best examples would be Sekon one and Sekon
two and three where Sekon is done by men, right.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
The first one is done by men and then but
then even the first one has I guess like the
female BDSM performers in it that are bringing their expertise
and like setting up the scenes like again our I
guess our Girl of the Sacrifice. This is her return
from the first sicon. But she has a great scene
the first sicon where she ties herself up like with
rope on the train and then people just watch her.

(31:34):
And also I want to shout that out. Actually, apparently
because of that scene, which was also filmed on the
Chao Line train, she was forced to write a letter
of apology to the Chao Electric Railway Icon. I'm like,
it's worth it.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
It was worth it because that scene is probably like
my top five like scenes of like Katsu no Katsu
is because it's so beautiful.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
It's also like the way she's dressed very traditionally too,
and then she pulls it out and the shock of it,
it's like it's where like suddenly something becomes like performance
are and also like, actually good performance are because like
the courage it almost takes to do that in a
public space too, to risk that, but also to like
perform it and move well and move to the camera

(32:23):
too and doing a take. I'm like, yeah, it's so
like amazing.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
That it happened, because you can't stage something like that,
like as a perform both of us as performers. Sometimes
we can overthink it and overdo stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Sometimes the magic has to happen.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
It just you just need to know, you have to
have the right like camera person, the everything, and you
just go. And I think that's why that scene is
so beautiful, the way the color it's so orange, orangey
and warm, and then with her skin and then the
red the red rope, it's it's beautiful. It's again it's
one of our top favorite. But she also wears red

(32:59):
rope and the sacrifice she does because I think maybe
red I don't know, like I know, there's probably some
symbols or like symbolic gestures of like color and like
the color rope and bedsm I don't know.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
And well, I mean you think about it too. It's
like we typically see.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Rat rope or red.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I'm blue sometimes, right, sometimes there's yeah, we're odd color
choices too. I saw it was kind of interesting because
he uses like thinner rope. It's almost like he's tying
someone up in like string or his hippies too. It's
more punk because of that.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Like what it gives off I would say Sables is
more of like that kind of I don't want to
say snuff, but like it's just more of like raw.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, someone's not like, oh my god, I'm a professional
rope tire, like this is like, well, I mean he
does get professional rope tires. Sometimes she'd pan the film,
but like the way it's done. In the look of it,
there's a punk vibe of like I'm just going to
tie you up and I don't care about the particularness
of all the nos.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Where in this one's sacrifice you could tell like the
there's people who actually like.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
They shaped it, formed it, thought about the symmetry of
it on the body.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Because that scene that I love to where she's procuring
for the for ther her mat her dom, where she
gets the other, she gets another woman, she takes off
her her blouse and she has the rope and it's
beautiful the light. That's scene somehow we're gonna like.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
I was gonna ask, what age do you think she
is in this film? Yes, based off her hair, so
our lead is her name is Fujiku who gets wait
sweat Sugu Sweatsu.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
I would say she's in her forties, mid forties.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
You will be surprised, Okay, is she twenty she's twenty two? No, Yes, she.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
Looks like she looks older, especially with the hair.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Which I think is part of why we enjoy it,
because she raids is mature. It's exciting to see a
mature looking woman in this role too, to be assertive,
to enjoy the actions, to be this ultimate masochist in quotes.
But she's young, damn, she's an old soul.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Yeah, she's an old soil. I mean down, I mean again.
I thought she was older, especially in certain scenes when
you see her close up, she does look older.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I guess shout out to her. So this film comes
in eighty six, she had debuted in I Guess Like
Sex Workstrip Clubs S and M and eighty four she
did BDSM shows for Sam Club, which Sam's Club. Sometimes
he had talent from that supplied Nakatsu live shooting titles.
Her manager was a friend of Tadashi yo Yagi. Tadashi
yo Yagi is another like PINKU veteran actor who then

(35:43):
went to adult video. He formed Athena Iso. So there's
kind of this interplay between pink fulm and adult video
happening with the sacrifice with her career with even the
domshikoshimah right, like these fields are like inspiring the talents
going off together with the each other. We already talked
about the sicon where how she films herself and later

(36:03):
had to apologize. But yeah, honestly, I think she brings
him maturity to the role. I get shout out to.
The DOM is played by Shikoshima. Apparently he had discovered
SNM in high school. Then in the late seventies he
starts writing for various BDSM magazines and then he also
gets involved with photo books, so like rope time, performing
staging up, learning the craft. He later gets mentored by

(36:25):
other doms in the field. Yeah, and then by the
eighties the advent of adult video. In eighty two, he
starts producing content. Then it leads to him meeting Genji Nakamura,
the pink film director in eighty four, which leads to
this film, so he starts like, Okay, I've done the
photo books, the magazines, I've written. Now I'm a performer,

(36:46):
and then it leads to him directing producing his own
content forever after, where he just makes a lot of
adult video.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah, and he's he knows, which I.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Think he's kind of like I would say, it's like,
if this is almost like our movie, you would be
him and I would be her.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes, I agree, because it's like, yeah, it seems like yeah,
you know. At the same time I know that you've
see like people would probably assume that you're this like
sweet little dom like we sweet little like you know.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Like for curing or I'm like going out with a
fur coute in public and like exposing that I'm tied
up with Ross.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, and also because like you merry Christmas. No, But
also I think you can take like you would be
able to go like in like in that kind of
sense of like being a like this submissive. But I
would say you're dismissive dom because you would be like
I want to like see how far you can make
me go, right, and as long as that's being filmed, Yeah, exactly.

(37:42):
I mean, but I feel I feel like I would
be more of Mary where I'm like sadistic but also
I'm very caring at the end.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
But then you also have like the doms under you.
You're subordinate, yes yes, yes, and you have like men
walking like dogs and you'd be sitting on the throne.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Oh absolutely no because also, like I think, because in
this one, he doesn't really like there's no aftercare. They
just kind of show like they're just doing.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Yeah, you know that's interesting. Mary focuses on aftercare. There's
extreme acts, but then it's all women and women and
sometimes there's men, but they're kind of like tools. She'll
care for the women. There's tender moments mixed in. There's
that reality of it. This kind of leans more into sensation.
And I don't know if that's fully because of like
the dom Chicoshima, but it could also be because of

(38:27):
like the pseudonym Goye Jewan for this is kind of
a made up name that three different talent from You
Production used to create these BDSM films. So one of
them was Ryuchi Hiroki, who is known for kind of
more cute, youthful, lighthearted films, very city pop. It was
kind of a way for him to make darker content.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Genji Nakamura, the director who also produced this as You production,
He's also want to use the name, so they kind
of all collaborate together and then use it as like
an alter ego to make just dark, unhinged as pink film.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
I mean, I think I feel that too, because, like
you know, example.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
We're teaching, then Hikoshima was the dom who actually knew
how to do it that they roped into like be
the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yeah, and it's funny. He doesn't really like he performs.
He's doing all these acts to her, but then the
film is really centered again on her. She's like, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
How she reacts, how can she can tolerate it? What
she can do next?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah, because like they put enemas and then at towards
the end is why we're going to talk about Christmas.
Is a Christmas episode.

Speaker 2 (39:33):
Is because yeah, we need to have some holiday spirit.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Yeah, she she gets into the spirit. Let's just say that.
She they a group of guys. They yes, they get together,
and then they they also you know, I don't want
to say torture.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
She shows up in an apartment. And this is also
kind of like maybe like halfway or three quarters away
into the film, and so it's like surprise, it's like
a it's a Christmas party, and the guys are also
wearing like some like birth they had slash New Year's
stuff and one has a Frankenstein mask on. Yes, but
then there's also the Christmas stuff that gets involved in it.

(40:11):
They also sing a Christmas song, yes, but there's also
like a Santa figurine that they put in her. Yeah,
so it's very festive as they wrap her on Christmas lights,
they tie up in it.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Which I think is the poster, right, No, No, it's
not the poster, because I think the poster has it different.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
Right. The poster uses a woman that doesn't even look
like her, almost like a younger looking girl, like tied
upside down. Then there's like a blood almost like a
surgical thing. I mean, I guess there's blood in this,
but not that, and it's like a candle.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Yeah, it's a different kind of blood. Because also, this
is the only time I think you could correct me
I'm wrong, is where we see needle play, right, and
most of because this secon don't we don't see that.
We just see kind of like more maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
I mean, honestly, I don't remember. At the top of
my head there is stage simulated blood in pink film.
That does happen too. Oh true, what you think of
like the violent era, Yes, but they're not always like
then messing with it, but then sometimes they kind of do.
I'm like, I'm thinking of like orgasm Marico. It's like
the blood slash the grapes mixed together and it's kind
of erotic.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But needle play, Yeah, that's definitely very unique. Apparently it
was a specialty for the dom Chikoshima. Yeah, because you
know he's talented.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
No. Yeah, And I'm like, well, it's very because you
think about eighty six. It's like okay aids. But then
you know when with that kind of community, they're very steriles,
very like you know, save they You.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Were asking about that, like would you trust someone to
do it? And I'm like, well, probably not and.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
No, because it's like there's certain things you know you
can do and don't want to do, right.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yes, I mean the limits that she has to agree to.
It almost the needle though they're not that crazy in this.
It's more almost like acupuncture.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
I was gonna say it's like acupuncture because there's a
little bit of but he does like he does do
stuff with the nipples that there's more blood on that one.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Also, he's just putting the needles in. He's not like
like he's sucking the blood out or doing anything crazy.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
No, he is like kind of like almost blood letting.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
He's gonna put a leech on her.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
No, No, I just it just what it looks like.
Because the way he's when especially had certain scenes when
they close up with his hand he's using the needles,
you could see like he's just letting the blood out.
It's just something. I mean, that's all. It's crazy, but
you know.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Oh so also his age, it's kind of mysterious. He
never really wants to give a birth year. But a
nineteen eighty nine magazine claims that he was forty okay john,
which I mean that in the sacrifice he would be
thirty six, Which yeah, I could kind of see that
he's at least thirty six, I'll say that.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
But he looks thirty nine, thirty nine.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
I'm trying to think what also of this? So the okay,
the tagline from Nikatsu is pierce the pain from every
poor in your body. Goey, Jewan has done it again
a new challenge to astonishing torture and ultimate training. Yeah,
I could see that accurate done. The plot. The film
stars Swegetsu Fujiko, who was trained as a perfect massachist
by Shikoshima in the first Sikan released last February, and

(43:23):
kami Jo Misa, who experiences s andem for the first
time in this film. I think it's the girl they procure.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
The strange snem love triangle between Shimo So who Getsu
and kami Jo provokes subtle jealousy, and the rivalry between
the two women escalates into sex. That's not really accurate, no,
because like the girl is used, and then there's kind
of this interplay like where they kind of like are
both tied up and they're both being penetrated by I Doldo,
but there's not really jealousy. Then they kind of ditch

(43:50):
the girls and move on, and there's also another girl
that's already tied up when the girl goes the house.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, so that's kind of like, oh, let's get a
new body right now. Bodies.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's kind of like a brief thing, and then they
go back to focusing on our two leads and kind
of them transforming together we also see, you know, like
some crazy animal sequences.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I would say this has like the most crazy because
we remember there's some crazy other.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Is it crazy because it's probably not stage.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, it's not stage. I mean the way that we
saw in Mary Always and others. This was crazy because
it's upside down.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
It's some hot Christmas fodg y'all.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
And the way it's done. I'm like, I remember you
showed me a clip because you're like, hey, I'm rewatching this.
And then I sent to tour some of our favorite
listeners and they were like what the fuck? I think, Oh,
I sent a shout out to John Peters and shout
out to Harrison. I think no, they didn't forget. They
were just like what. And I think also I sent
it to Heather shout out to Heather too, and it

(44:52):
was they were laughing because they're like what and I'm like,
this is roman Neux.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
That's a good introduction. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
No, I think I think they all were like, oh,
I would like to watch the full thing, and I'm like, okay,
I go.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
If you diet held it, yeah, I think the scan
that we watched of it, I'm kind of wondering if
someone almost like rip the laser disc or something. There's
a certain look it has that's like a little different
than a VHS, but maybe not. There is a nineteen
ninety six phs of this. This also is available on
you know, Japanese streaming legit sites you know why not yeah,
which is kind of funny. It's like, it's always crazy

(45:29):
to me, like what Japanese Amazon Prime allows to.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
You know what, Merry Christmas?

Speaker 2 (45:36):
You know you want to watch Prancer, You want to
watch The Sacrifice or The Grinch?

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Right?

Speaker 2 (45:42):
You don't want to watch the Grinch stole Christmas?

Speaker 1 (45:44):
All?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
You want to watch some at a much or.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Do you want to eat some Kentucky fried chicken?

Speaker 2 (45:51):
That's so crazy? I know, I know, I guess we
could kind of what's up? Oka go back to at
the end about like Christmas in Japan?

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Maybe it also leads into the next one. I'm thinking
of what else of this? So the double before this film,
it's a Roman XU double bill. It comes out with
the real thing college Girl. Addition, it's a hand bon
Did we watch it? Yes? It is a ham bond
that we've seen college girl tricks to friends into sex.
There's a lot of food play. It's kind of a
party sequence.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Oh, I do remember that. I do.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Maybe you hear think about like parties as a connecting
thing of the two. And also I guess like procuring
a little bit because I think she films the friends secretly. Yes,
I guess this is the more consensual one. Also, on
the same day, I didn't know this. So Nakatsu releases
a mainstream film.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
That is Yojiro Takaita's No More Comics. Okay, it's his
mainstream film after he had made Time Adventure five Seconds
to Climax. I come, so again, it's like him going
to the mainstream, making normal movies, moving on and eventually
winning the Oscar. You know, so again, what a great path.
So again the same day we get like normal film.

(47:00):
You could get two degraded romance again icons love that.
I think that's all I have to shout out for this.
You know, Jingle all the way, y'all. Oh, okay, I
guess shout out to Jingling. There's a lot of like
bells and things that get tied to her. There's also
clamps and weights, so you hear bells too throughout it.

(47:23):
The Christmas Tree lights where she kind of becomes a
Christmas tree is honestly an amazing sequence. Yes, you know
some people are the tree and the gift. Love it.
Oh my god. Oh Also, before we wrap up, I've
been a shout out. This is also not like like

(47:44):
I just thought would call it or anything too. I
just thought this was like a really interesting review because
for the longest while, like this was the only review
of this so again, However, what really turned my stomach
disgusted repulse was the final few seconds really just not
right at all. You're evil to tarnish something so innocent

(48:05):
by associating it via montage with the sin seen and
heard on video is a tasteless, I'll beat effective move
which I've never seen done before like this, and I
haven't seen it done before for obvious reason, I really
hated it, but it shook me to at my core.
What can I say? They're talking about the photo montage

(48:27):
at the end.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Really which also, I'm going to say this, like I
thought the review was kind of like, Oh, it got
me so hyped when we first watch it because I
was like, oh, we have to watch this.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Wait? Was it the first first review of this film?

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I think it was, or the other one that's not
in German is a German but like the other one,
it's it's industry as review. But again I thought it
was so cool because it got me hyped for it.
What the review is referring to. At this whole conclusion
of this journey, we get this photo montage of our
main stars, so we get these flashback photos of like, Okay,

(49:07):
there's a current photo of her, so actually there's a
current sequence of her on the side where she's like
very childlike, but she's her as an adult pointing on
the slide. Then we cut to photos that show her
progressively younger and younger younger. It like we see her
as a teen, then we see her with her mom too,
So it's kind of like setting this up where it's like, Okay,
it's almost like she's reaching like a Nirvana like space

(49:27):
because of the sex, or almost like a Japanese fan
called it like returning to the womb, like symbolically, you
could also see it as like because it emphasizes her masochism,
it's like, okay, anyone could be a masochist. It's kind
of forcing to think about, like anyone could grow up
to be a masochist. Yeah, absolutely right, that's the more
moral ofless story, you know, spread the love, shared gifts

(49:52):
with others. I don't know, Yeah, I guess let's move on.
So our last film that we're going to talk about
is the only one that's it's it's the most Christmas
y out of all these.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Oh, one hundred percent, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (50:08):
So we watched Matchless Girl Fully Willing, which was a
former title of it when I think we had first
watched it maybe a couple of years ago. Hm. Right,
it got changed and the whole TMDb rules where they
like to use the ramaji instead. So now it's well,
now it's called the sukin gay Yauru yaoki mo moon

(50:30):
rolls off the tongue it does. The translation of it,
it's kind of almost like the literal translation was like
super sexual gal full of Motivation. So I don't know
if Matchless Girl Fully Willing is kind of like a
made up fan translation because it's like the Little match Girl. Right.
It comes out December fourteenth, nineteen eighty five, so in

(50:51):
time for Christmas. Yeah, it's a Shishi pro film, so
it's a chemu Kai production. It's the same production stable
that produces a law of the sauto content that you know,
yallgaam blu ray right now. Yes, it's directed by Uji Takada.
Mm hmm who again we've talked about before with Time
Adventure five seconds so climax. Yes, also his mainstream career.

(51:16):
But most importantly or like a fun fact, his site
Hisa Yasusato is an ad on this and is credited
as an actor or extra in this film. Ooh, he
got invited to the party.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Let's see all the Sado fans try to find out
who he was in the film.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
You know, I don't know. I mean, here's the thing.
It's like someone should watch that with the perspective and
try to almost find a picture of what Soado looked
like from the eighties. Maybe he's like an extra like
a john or a client in this as well. Maybe
he's the Peeper Sanna.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, I think he was.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Either he's the peper Sanna.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I think he's one of the Santas. That's that's my.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Could have been. There's like a homeless guy that talked
to the nun at one point, but then the homeless
guy never looked at the camera. He's looking away. Yeah,
maybe that's Soto.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
That's what I was thinking.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
You know, Soto really like worked his way up. You know,
he's playing people with Santasu. I mean it's kind of crazy,
you know, very thin Santas. Oh my god, I need
a few more cookies, Just a few, just a few.

(52:34):
Where's Rudolph?

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
How would you explain the plot? Uh?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Let's see the plot. Okay, so we are we see
some nuns. Yeah, nuns.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
There's nuns.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
There's a priest. But then the priest is not the
main subject. We okay, hold on, let me let me
rephrase that. So some nuns realize that by an accidental
death of the priest, they find out his backstory, me
that he owes a lot of money on the thirty
million yen on the actual like church right, their covet.

(53:12):
So they have they come up with a plan to
raise some money to win back the church right.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Which is like such a classic eighties story too. I
was thinking about this, like when you're watching The Garbage
pill Kits on four K It's like eighties movies. There's
always like, oh, we have to save this, we have
to save the rec center, the school or the orphanage.
We have all come together and get the money within
like a week or a day or whatever it is,
which I also love those plots. No, it's true, true,

(53:42):
it's kind of like it's crazy how like wholesome and
communal it is too. It's like getting like, oh, we're
all coming together and saving the day. It's kind of sweet.
I almost wish we had more films like that, yes,
or you know, hey, we're all saving the fashion show
with the garbage bill it Oh my god, I'm like what,

(54:03):
but yeah, you are right. We have four nuns and
the priest dies an accidental death after having sex with
a nun and then this kind of match sets him
on fire then knocks him out and he has like
a spinal cord injury, like a tap to the back
of his head. M The loan Shark is played by
her favorite Utaka Ikoshima. Yes, and he slightly paints his
hair gray for this like an aged role. I mean

(54:25):
that's common, yes, Like he always loves a good get up,
good makeup. I'm also trying to think of, like, who
else's shout out in this? You could Jiro Hataru isn't
this as the priest He is a favorite actor of
the director and he's kind of like a an iconic
actor of the groper trained genre.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Say his name again, you could Jiro.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
He plays priest perrole in Priest. Yeah. So again, like
if there's like a like a god like it was
like a four for a Horsemen Apocalypse are like a
mount rushmore train gropers like you would be one of them.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
He is probably like the greatest groper train.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
It would probably be him, ryuji U Taka, and maybe
like a Jimmy suchittah as like the four iconic gropers
of the genre. Yes right, they appear the most frequently.
Our favorites would be Ryugi and Utaka. I like you
could Jiro. He's kind of goofy looking, so I never
really take him super seriously.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
No, no, absolutely, he has that face of like when
you see him like on the screen, you know it
this is gonna be just a hilarious like hijinks.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
He plays a lot of detectives within the groper train
genre for Yo Jiro to Kaida, so again you get
to see a lot of fun antics. Also one of
the nuns, Mako Takigawa, so she plays oh, she also
just plays sister Mako. Wow love that she's an iconic
like comedic actress for the production stable. She she pro

(55:59):
You'll also see her Inflowa Aids Pink Crazy Girl. Oh God,
he's also a Gankee Clinic.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yes, one of my favorite all time favorite ones.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
She's kind of like an Anna Faris where it's like
she's pretty, but she's also really funny and goofy and
can play kind of like like ditsy in a really
great way. Like she just has a really great comedic timing.
I wish like her career just exploded after these films.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Well she did explode in this one.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
She did whatever text to save the church.

Speaker 1 (56:29):
I mean. It's also when I mentioned this too about
this film is that it is not typical like even
though this is like, it was Nikatsu about the film
so they could show it, so it's not necessarily filmed
as like a Nikatsu roman porno. It's very because it's
shot outside. It's very like they're going out in the public.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
And very gorilla style. They do have sequences with the
church and briefly in and out of it as well,
but they're not really spending much time in it. No,
which again, yeah, like if if someone was like, okay,
these three films we're talking about, I guess I'll save
it for the wrap up, but like you could call
them pink films, could you could call all of them?

Speaker 1 (57:07):
Yeah, yeah, they're all pink films absolutely.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Because like none of them are in studio, in house
Nakatsu films made by in house talent in the studio system,
like these are all very punk and dea why how
they're made pink them? Talent is making all of them
as well. Mm hm Again, like this, it's like you
see all the trademarks of Pekaita where it's like he
always likes to play with absurd concepts, right like sexy
time Trip Ninja's with the time travel yes, or his

(57:34):
other ones too where he has like detective stories, murder
mysteries on the Groper train. Well, he always likes to
like try something out, try something new, throw in a
reference as well, like oh, we have to save the world,
we have to do this, we have to uncover the
murder mystery. Like you see his ambitions to make mainstream
films even within these. I mean it's such a goal
mine too, because like all of his titles for Shintoho,

(57:55):
it's like these could be like future Vinegar Syndrome titles
because like again you have the claim of his career.
They're very consistent, very fun. Right, but this one because
it's own by Nakatsu, I don't know if like someone
should honestly kind of just do justice Nakasa titles like.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Together, Yeah, I think that would work the best.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
And then also interviews saw to like who did you
play in this?

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Right, He's gonna be like I don't remember, I.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Don't remember, Like what.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
Who? You know? What?

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Love that?

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
So again we see a lot of the like antics.
So like the nuns have like a pretty much like
a few days before the new year to save the
church get the ready million again. They try to go
and sell bibles. A lot of them get involved in
sexual shenanigans or get harassed by guys. There's also sequence
where they're singing like Pulley Lujah, like two of the
nuns like out by the train. Yeah, it's very goofy,
very random too, so it's kind of like your mileage

(59:00):
may vary. I've kind of found it charming. Also, the VHS,
so this looks horrendous.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Rough, it's crunchy.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Oh, like that's why it's like it'd be hard to
kind of identify so auto too, because it's like, I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
I think he's one of the Santas and you could
probably see it.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
But then he's a secret Sanna.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
It's so dark. I don't like that. No, I just
the lighting is so dark you can't really see like
certain aspects of things.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yes, yes, but we did recognize someone, Yes we did.
We did recognize this kind of older guy who's like
one of the John's. He's like, oh, i'll pay you,
You'll pay you a bit if you have sex with me.
It is is it Ko Sakai. It's Katsuro Sakai. Katsuro
Sakai is like an iconic pink film better an actor.

(59:49):
He's like a reliable comedian. He's known for especially like
the Widow's boarding House series, but we know him as
the director of the gay pink film Homo Cula kon It. Yeah,
you know what, that's history, y'all, that's like real history.
I'm trying anyone else. The triple before this included Beautiful

(01:00:10):
Teacher and Torture Health.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
So again, where a woman is going up to a
mountain school, there's fencing. It's an insanely beautiful BDSM film
from Nakatsu. Yeah, oh, that seems the aquarium innute.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Oh that was so beautiful too. I remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
We've also seen the other one Office Lady Kidnapper strip.
We were kind of mixed on it, but like an
office worker's kidnap, but then she later joins the kidnappers
toss like kind of get back.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
The tagline for this film is I want to Ascend
to Heaven. Sexy Virgin Mary Maco Chohan with her plump
thighs dripping with nectar pink Jack's the monastery. Oh my god, sorry,
but yeah, we see these shenanigans too at some point too.
It's like the John, the client that we referenced played

(01:01:00):
by Sakai, cuts to a Sakai. He gets killed, so
then they're like, oh my gosh, who killed them? And
there's this detectives involved too, which again is common for
this director. He likes to throw like a murder mystery
or subplot into his crazy comedic think films. Yes, they
think that it's at the Secret Santa because oh, I've
been seeing the Santa around. It turns out that Santa

(01:01:20):
was actually just like stealing from the Nunnery. Yeah, and
it was like one of the sisters that kill you know,
killed him so she can get the money and save it.
Which also then they get the money at the end
at the beautiful moment, Santa's say Christmas is here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Oh my God, you go with God.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Again. None of this really suppose spoils like anything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
I mean, I feel like someone suit. It's like people
like Spilo Lord. I'm like God, I'm like I we
could tell you the little plot. It's like not gonna
like change your perspective on these bills.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
No, it's more of like we're just telling you what
happens because we want you to go watch it for yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Also, like, whoever does watch this, like please try to
like watch it with the mindset that Soto is potentially
in this because he's an assistant director but he's also
credit as an actor.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Oh yes he is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
And also the Pink film reviewers that I freaking kind
of reference to, none of them address that he's in
the film as an actor, except for one of them
listen as one of the actors, but they don't clarify
what his role is. And then even them, they're like, oh,
I can't tell what anyone.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Is in there well because the lighting is just so bad.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
I'm like, oh, please restore it. You know, that's our
Christmas wish.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Yeah, and then like they keep on singing it. Yeah yeah,
and then like they go, oh, there's a funny scene
too where he like one of the nuns goes to
this homeless guy, like I think at a train station
or something, and then she's like, oh, she's trying to
ask him a question, and then he puts he unveils

(01:02:56):
his doll, his sex doll with like an erect penis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
What if that Soado?

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It could be Sodo, It could be Soto because we
don't see his face. No, no, because again I think
Sodo is either one of the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Sounds, probably the homeless guy or Santa.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Yeah. That's like where we narrated down. But you know,
all the all the new Sado fans out there go
and try to find it out for us.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Please. There's no restorations here. There's no subs either, I know,
which you know actually was kind of easy to follow,
so it's like okay, I like that. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
And again it's like sometimes when we watch these films,
we watched so many.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Different there's a really complex plot to the sacrifice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Yeah, exactly, we need we need the fucking subs. We
need the sub well, we do need the sus well,
we do need a sub. But I mean, like you
can watch these films and just go off of vibes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
All holiday vibes. Actually, I think these would be kind
of fun to watch, like like watch like a goofy
pink film for chriss Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Don't watch the Sacrifice. That's not as that's not a
goofy one. I think the Ghost Story is a better
one for that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yes, okay, let's just cut to the wrap up. Which
of these are the most enjoyable? How would you rank them?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Most enjoyable would be the Ghost Story?

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yes, sorry for me, number one, Thank you for the recommendation. Yes, yes,
Number two would be The Nuns. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Number three would be Sacrifice only because like I enjoyed
the Sacrifice for what it was. Sometimes I'm just not
in the mood.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
For like you know, I will say that, especially too
with the Mary siicon ones as well. It's like the
films are endurance test, yes, right, and then it's not like,
oh my god, this is the most extreme thing ever,
but like because it's like you're going through the motions
of like what they're capable of. You have to kind
of be in that like scuzzy, hypnotic sweat space to
want to watch what it is. Yeah, you could. If

(01:05:01):
you're not, it's kind of hard and grolling, like oh
you get checked out. That's also fair.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Yeah, and that's and that's okay. I mean we watched
it the first time, we're like, oh, And then we
watched it again, We're like, Okay, it was in a
better headspace, I think, because I think the first time
we probably watched it, we were just probably busy or
still doing stuff like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
We were we didn't believe in Christmas yet.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
We didn't believe in Christmas. So now that we do
and no, no, and also because we.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
Were now they got some milk and cookies for Sanna
in the other room exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Well, we had some enemas for uh, for Saint Nick.
You know he does need to lose some weight. We
need a little holiday plans, yes, because you know those
cookies they they do put on some weight. So also
it's like I don't know, I I like on the rewatch,

(01:05:54):
I enjoyed it more, but because my mind was in.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Weirdly enough, when I watched it like a couple week
or so ago, when you did a queer thing, I
feel like I enjoyed it more then because I was
like looking for that context and kind of had fun
with it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Yeah, probably that's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
And this one is like a Christmas thing. I was like,
okay getting through it again. Plus it was kind of
a repeat, I wasn't as excited. I would agree with
your ranking of the films, like in terms of just
like sheer enjoyability, the Ghost one is the most enjoyable.
I'm probably going to actually go back and ready to
hire now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Matchless Girl is kind of like a fun, hot mess.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Yeah yeah, and in a good way, in a good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Way, like it's something you can just throw on and
vibe with. You don't really need the plot, just kind
of enjoy the wild antics on the screen. You also
point out like as a non exploitation film versus like
Nikatsu's in studio non films from the seventies, they would
go into a convent, we would have a set, but
also like it would go like The Secret Lives, the
Perversion of the think this one is just like throwing

(01:06:54):
the nun outfits and let's get freaking on the city Sachi.
Kind of similar things too with Big Tit Monastery, it's
like she just dresses a nun or like what is it?
It's like convent vibrater punishment. They do a little bit
more non stuff in it, but not much. There are
pink films, like actual like pink pink films that do

(01:07:14):
use the non scenario. I think there's a molester in
the peeper. That's like molestering the peeper in the nunnery toilet.
I said that, you did. I said that, So yeah,
you can fact check that one later and have fun
with that exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
So yeah, what about you is At the same.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Time other questions I was going to ask you this too,
Which is the rank them in terms of like pink
film to not a pink film? What's your ranking? What's
the most pink film?

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
The most pink film is The Ghost Story, Yes, okay,
because it feels like it's it's shot in location at
the clinic. It's very like it looks like a stage production,
kind of that vibe, right, and also because it's telling
a story, it has.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
A stage production, is not you know what, going on location.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
It's more on location, and then the story fills more
to the pink story where you have like the subplot,
but then you also have a lot of like the sex. Right, yes,
and we've seen nakatsu. We've seen other pink films do
this kind of story where they it's kind of fun,
erotic and just kind of goofy. The second would be

(01:08:28):
the nun the nunnery. Okay, even though it's not necessary
like very like in house production, it's still a nakatsu.
So it kind of feels like a throwback to the
non expectation films of the seventies, of the Roman porno.
And of course the third would be the sacrifice, because
that's just that's not even like pink films, like straight

(01:08:51):
up like adult video BDSM, like fuck around and let's
find out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Okay, I will agree with you actually on this thing
also adds the more so obviously, like in terms of
like pink kuaiga, the bread and butter definition of it,
erotic ghost story fits that. Oh absolutely, it's a core eiga,
it's a pink film, it's made by Satora Kobayashi, it's
the independent, it's you know, again, every definition you get

(01:09:17):
the industry like the pink film industry would at least
consider something like Matchless Girl fully willing a purchase pink film. Okay,
they would still honor that it's made by Pink film talent.
But then bad is Roman Porno, and I think even
Nakatsu fans would agree with that because it's not an
in house studio production and it's not a director that's

(01:09:38):
from the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
Yeah, it's something that's kind of the in between of
like the genre of Roman Porno and paint.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Absolutely that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
That same logic kind of applies to the Sacrifice because
it's it is an independent production, it is made by
Pink film talent, but structure really it's adult video. Yes,
like it is, it's not, it's not really more than
it it because of it's weirdly enough, it has a
boarding house style situation where then it got blown up

(01:10:12):
the thirty five millimeter even the shot on video. M
I would say that of the later two that are
released under the Roman Porno banner, maybe actually I'll like
Hot take this, but I think the Sacrifice carries more
of the independent pink film spirit. Oh absolutely, because it's

(01:10:34):
so punk and so diy and so independent versus goojuror Takada.
With Matchless Girl, you can sense that he wants to
be kind of mainstream or play with mainstream plot. Yeah,
he kind of wants to break out of the pink like,
break out of the pink film genre, break out of
erotic content versus the Sacrifice is like, no, we're making sex,

(01:10:58):
we're not apologizing for it. Right. No, but again that's
very like just like debating. But yes, I would agree
with your ranking. That's one hundred percent. Moving on to
another question, who's the best actress.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
Of all three? Yes, hands down the actress from The Sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
Yeah, yeah, she stood out.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
She stood out only not because she went through what
she went through, but she has presence and she has
a confidence.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I would say if there's like a like a second
like an you know, like a second place, it would
be the Ghost like played by Nasajima in the Rottic
Ghost Story. She's really good. I mean, she's just really
funny with Oh no, I agree the Sacrifice like she
has like a it's not really like like acting and

(01:11:49):
dialogue involved, but she has this physicality and presence to
her face that like you're interested to see what she's
gonna do like of all the scenes and movies, like
she stands out out mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Like as supporting would go to.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Trying to think, you know, Soto is the homeless man
if that's him.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, no, I think it would be the girl from
a in the Ghost Story of the One Who's the wife.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
Oh, okay, the conniving wife I played by Yumi Yoshiyuki.
I would actually agree with that. She's really fun in that.
I kind of forgot to shout this out. She cites
the director Satora Kobayashi as her mentor slash father figure
within pink film. Okay, right, so again she's still directing, acting,
making movies. I think she just came out with a

(01:12:39):
new gay pink film.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
Go offxus go on, I got to create the TMDb.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Yeah, so sad because you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
You don't watch all gay pink film. There's so many
others who do it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
Yeah, well that's there should be more. I'm trying to
think what else, God, what's the most great smiths? The
nun Nunnery, which is the most MEOWI Christmas?

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Oh my god. Well they're not drunken slur. Well, maybe
they're drunk, I would say, it's the Nunnery for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
And then yeah, that's the most like on it with
the Christmas movie, I would I guess like you could
also kind of swap it out with like I don't
always like literal Christmas stuff. The wintry vibes of erotic
ghost Story are also fine. The Sacrifice is a very
very loose Christmas.

Speaker 1 (01:13:30):
And I say when we say loose, it's like watery.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
Yeah, like oh, like you're you're doing a waterfall over
your face, You're popping out in the shower. Yeah, Christmas
is coming early, like I just.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Did right now. O, God, I made that toilet, my bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
No, it's the Nunnery toilet, that's true. Sorry, Yeah, I prayed,
I prayed, toilet, I prayed after you prayed. Yeah, questions
for me on these try no, just kidding, Oh no no.

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
At first, when you were like, let's watch the Sacrifice
of the Christmas and again, I forgot that it had
Christmas because I was thinking part two. But then I go, no,
part two is totally different vibe.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
I kind of forgot it did too, because like I
used to clip, well not a clip of it, I
used a picture of it for your birthday once. It's
like a party thing I forgot, like, oh, that was
actually a Christmas party.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I'm like what, yeah, and You're like it's one. It's
one of those, and I'm like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Of course, Birthday, Christmas, Halloween, New Year's Well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Also, I just liked it because it was a Roman
X and I'm like, yes, that's how we celebrate from
my birthdays Romanux. Okay, I have a question for you. Okay,
based off of three three least three films, which of
these would get a release?

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Hmm okay, probably Matchless girl, just in terms of rights
and availability. Mm hmmm. I would assume that because of
the interest in your the directory, your Georgic Kaida, I'm
assuming that like like his Chintello films would be on
like the on the table, but then at the same

(01:15:11):
time people would delve into his Naicatu films right from
the same era. So again, like odds are it would
pop out some way through that, Yeah, is it the
one I would want? No, the first probably not. I
mean I think, gosh, like the Core I go want
it'd be great to see.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
No, I think the Gross Story would do really well
because it's it has everything that has like a funny
it has the Christmas theme, It has the kind of
absurd comedy out of it, the ghosts, the boobs, It
has boobs. I mean you could say the horror and
I put in quotation because you know, to sell it

(01:15:51):
to like some of the straight boys who like horror.
You could sell this film to them because it has
enough sex, it has enough of the scare, and I
put in quotations.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Yeah, I think you would like it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:01):
Yeah, and it's also really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
I mean I wish, okay, I would love it. If
like a shot on video label would take apart the
Roman X titles, Yes, I mean there probably are, like
I guess, like question, I mean I could see areas
of maybe like why it'd be kind of difficult. One.
I don't know what Nakatsu would ask for with like

(01:16:25):
a shot on video title. Would they ask like the
same like in terms of like a theat like a film,
like if something shot on film, right, would you be
paying as much of like for the sacrifice as you'd
be paying for like, you know, Apartment Wife. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
I think they would still treat it as because they
did release it on in cinemas right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
The Roman X. But would they make it cheaper. I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
I think they would probably go a little cheaper, just
a little.

Speaker 2 (01:16:51):
Bit, because also the shot on video labels like to
emphasize something that's very DIY yes, right, and very punk,
which as sthetically in terms of who made this, what
it's doing, these all fit. But because they had that
touch of like a major studio distribution with Nikatsu, maybe
that I don't know, if that kind of gives it
a mainstreamness that maybe they wouldn't initially gravitate towards. They

(01:17:16):
want something like even more independent.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
True, I don't know. I mean that's something to think about.
I think also with like the labels out there, that's
something they may have to like figure out. I think
it's possible. Yes, I would love to see Like for me,
I think I would love to see the ghost Story
more than the Nunnery personally, and also of course I

(01:17:39):
would love to see more rom sacrifice. No, no, not,
I mean personally, I wouldn't pick the sacrifices like maybe
I would do other ones first.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Okay, if you were doing a sacrifice, it's almost like
you should do sacrifice one and two together. Yes, And
it's the same thing with the sicon that you should
do one, two, and three, but then also the bonus film.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
Yes, that's the way to do it because you can
get the different vibes and then you know, they can
ask us to talk about it because you know, we
love roman.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
X, because we got the holiday spirit love X let
me jangle all the way.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Yeah, and then there's other great ROMANX films out there
too that we love that should be talked about. And
then of course the live shooting era, like all of
those could be put do not do the ham BOMs?
Maybe there's a few.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
There's maybe a few. Yeah, you know, there's maybe a few.
I mean, actually, this is a good question because it's
going to lead into something.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Okay, yeah, what's the question?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
Are you ready to end the episode? Oh yeah, yeah,
you can keep recording. Okay, I want your reaction, Okay, Okay,
so it's kind of like a Christmas present for us both.
But I left something close to you that I want
you to open.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Okay. Oh so should I do it now?

Speaker 2 (01:19:00):
Yeah? Just tell them what it is, okay, hold on,
this is a genuine reaction. Well, and also I didn't
really like actually officially wrap it. I just kind of
like wrapped.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Into the bit no, because also I felt bad when
you said this because I didn't get you anything, because
it's just been we usually get our give ourselves gifts
throughout the year, which people don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I mean also, I kind of like got this for
ourselves and not fully you. I just kind of was like, oh,
let's like say it's a gift.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
Hold on, okay, let me see if I can reach far.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Oh my god, it's not that far.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
Well, I have to use the mic to get Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
You can also take your headphones off and walk to it.
Oh gosh. I would love it if people are trying
to guess, like the layout of our place off of it.
Hold on, hold on, okay, we got a reveal. Just
kidding back.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Okay, I got my head I got the headphones back on.
I mean, it's also funny. We should be recording this
some video because I think it'll be funnier. Oh all right,
the first first part of the gift.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Why am I not screenshot? Okay, I'm actually literally putting
a phone up to the screen. That's stupid. Sorry, Why
am I you do a video?

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Can you do a video? Oh my god, I already
know I'm looking at the poster. I kind of ready
tell hey Connoonley's.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Oh my god, you did not found it online?

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Oh my god? Ohle shit. I mean, first of all,
I can't I can't wait to put it in a frame.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
This is a special one. Also, I think it's in
good condition.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
This is really good condition. So you guys could have
found a poster of one of our favorite roman xs.
This is so bad, it's so it's so wrong. It's
called the Birth. Oh my god. It's basically me and
you on the It's a doctor and he's videotaping a patient.

(01:21:04):
That's me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I've ever looked at the details. Okay, that's I'm excited.
I won't see end this to like really like magnifying glass.
That up. Oh, they show the pregnant girl, the pregnant
girls on the cover. You know she's our Leslie Winston,
Yes she is. And also, oh, they show the white girl.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
There's the white girl in there. Oh my god. Canuma
is like what the fuck? He's like what, Oh my god?
And then it shows Roman X on the bottom.

Speaker 2 (01:21:33):
I gotta make it official.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Oh no, Canuma is behind me. Oh okay, let me
put this back in condition. Yes, yes, let's be because
I feel like I kind of have an idea of
what's the second gift is, but I may not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
You probably have an idea yet. Also, I'll probably post
this on the Instagram at god, with these, I'll probably
have the like censor. It's so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
Well, I'm surprised you're not doing screenshots with your computer,
because I think you can do with your computer. I
think it's a.

Speaker 2 (01:22:05):
I did, but i'd like I did. We got it? Okay, good,
it's like, my god, I'm like live narrating in this
like hot mess. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
All right, the second part of the gift.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
Okay, what is it gonna be?

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
I'm looking. Okay, it's a it's a VHS. I could
feel it, and it's much if it wasn't wait didn't
I just fucking wash this T shirt for you. It's
not dirty, Okay, it's I just washed this and you
covered it. Okay, it's baptized in the cinema. Oh my god,
you found the VHS of the birth except that, Oh

(01:22:44):
my god. So if you guys know, we love the birth,
so that means we're gonna probably have to scan it, yes, yes,
and that means it may be out there. In the universe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
Some gifts really keep on giving.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
Oh my god, I feel pregnant and I'm about to
give birth.

Speaker 2 (01:23:01):
Now there's a little two for the price of one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
And here, I mean the cover alone. I think you
can get away with showing some parts of the cover.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
I think I'm literally gonna have to censor this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Oh wait, you need to screen screenshot this.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Okay, let's do it. Let's screenshot this. Oh my god.
Oh wait, should I do a cry phase?

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Hold on? Hold on? Let mean because I forget which
one it is to do the Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
I got it?

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
Hold on ready?

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
Got I love that we're narrating this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:33):
Oh my god, love it. So yeah, So a shout
out to all our peeps out there who who know us?
Oh my god, good stuff. Oh my god. I had
a feeling you probably because you're like, I have something wrong.
I'm like, I had a feeling. It was their funny.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I mean, you knew it was going to be from
Japan because it's like it's the ship only from Japan too.
It wasn't like, oh I got something from Amazon. I'm like, oh,
it's from DH.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
I mean, I'm still excited with that. One time when
our our friend of the podcast Ben. It was a
Ben Curtis who said, who message you say, hey, we
saw the sacrifice on the sicon the third Acon. Yeah,
and then you're like, you woke up at four in
the morning just to go and get it. And then
we got excited and when it came we both cried.

(01:24:23):
I mean, I'm in tears, literally, I'm in tears after
for the birth. It's one of those films that stayed
with you for many reasons.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
You know, some things leave permanent scars, not just ce sections.
I mean, oh my god, it's funny. I was gonna
write a card before it. I was like, Okay, this year,
you gave me live because he gave you Kanuma, our cat.
Oh yeah, and now I'm giving you like this, you know,

(01:24:55):
whacked out birth movie.

Speaker 1 (01:24:58):
And now this cat decides to eat his food.

Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
He's such a diva.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
You no, he's making a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
But oh my god, what are we gonna give Kanuma
for Christmas? Silence? Yeah, yeah, probably not watching weird movies.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
We'll watch some good like holiday films for him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
M You know, Okay, I guess as we end this episode,
I guess like another thing we could have covered. We've
kind of Briefly talked about before was Sodo's Secret Gay
Pink film is an ad youth hunting where it has
a whole Christmas tree of.

Speaker 1 (01:25:31):
Plaster cast bick, I forgot about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Maybe that's next year.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Yes, that one's a wild one too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
Yeah, anything he wants to want to say to close
out the holiday spirit.

Speaker 1 (01:25:44):
Oh yeah, I would say, don't forget to go and
get that Roman next, go get that Swedish Porno.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Yes, okay, shout out. Let's keep pum plugging it. Pre
order the Swedish Porno box set from Club super eight.
You may or may not see us on some upcoming
things on it, but for sure if you're kind of
hesitant right now too, that are like, okay, maybe I
don't want to go all in on a box set,
especially with films you haven't seen. The individual titles are
up for sale Diabolic DVD. Is you know, like getting

(01:26:17):
pre orders of Sweeten Porno House of the Beast, which
is like our favorite, that's our favorite. We call it
a home invasion masterpiece. Yes, so that's quoted.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
That's quoted.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
Also Honey Drops of Honey too, which is very ingmar
Bergmannez very beautiful. But again, these films are really great.
Love what Club Superrate's doing. Also love the work like
with full pick the streaming. These are really exciting left
field pick titles for any Blue Erry person to pick
out right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Yeah. And also there's another one coming out with lesbians.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Yeah, representation matters something, just.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
You know, for you guys out there who are you interested,
maybe wait on some lesbians.

Speaker 2 (01:27:01):
And hopefully some fun thing. Oh yeah, yeah, some fun
things in January.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Yeah it is. And then some stuff is coming out
January for all of us in different ways. You have
some special stuff. We also have like our own art practice.
We have some major stuff coming out for me, a big, big,
major thing which I could say it's like, you know,
because they put on the website, which is a big

(01:27:27):
Chicano photography show out in Riverside at the Cheach Who
knew the Cheech Marin had a collection, Well, everybody knew, but.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Oh my god, this is us like going into wait,
is he he's in the Criterion Collector now right?

Speaker 1 (01:27:40):
No, he's in the what's the other one, the National
Film Registry?

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Oh okay, that's it. I was like, sorry, boob, no, I.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Think criterions should do this one. They should do up
and smoke. It's such an important film. It's it changed
me everything. Also, it's like funny. But the fact that,
like you know, this actor and all this stuff, he
has a collection. Fun fun fact is that he never
really liked photography, but because now this museum is out there,

(01:28:09):
he's starting to collect photography. So my work is going
to be shown against like all along with all these
important historical Chicano Chicano photographers from Los Angeles and also
California and all that. So that's it's going to be
a big show. That's in February. So that's that's another thing.
You have two shows coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
I'll be I'll be like a so we'll not a
solo show. I'll being in a group show with my
installation work. We have a big installation piece part of
it at parts of the Torrens Art Museum coming up
actually like in two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Oh yeah, it does two weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
I also I'll be curating a couple of shows part
of my job at Orange County. So it'll be fun.
Two different solo shows. That's exciting. I'm trying to think too.
I think we honestly, like you, I know your husbands
to maybe like do another episode next week, but I
think we could just to close the year and maybe
you just like keep it short. Do you a little
like wrap up, Like, wow, it's been kind of cool
to like do the podcast for a year. And what
are some highlights, like what things you remember from it?

(01:29:05):
We did a screening, we had a commentary like shout
out the fun stuff we did and like like just
some mad like hopes for the future.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Right, Oh yeah, yeah, I think that's fine. I know.
Another thing to want to mention, I am there's still
shows that I am not like co curating, but like
I'm assistin and that are coming out at some like
the Huntington at the Getty too. Those are coming out
this like in March. We're so institutional I know, right,

(01:29:32):
what happened? What's what's going on with that?

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
We should be institutional lives?

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Well if we do, remember that Roman Ux where they
get this woman gets into institutionalized and they start doing
weird therapies on her.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
There's also one with like a cave girl who just
like wanders into an adult video set and gets awakened.
I mean again, we've seen things, you know, hit us
up if you're you know, if you know Saturn's Core,
put us in contacts.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Kidding, I mean Saturn's Core doing these films.

Speaker 2 (01:30:00):
For riscore actually like does like they're probably my favorite
of any the things too, I mean just because like
the weird mix of like erotic wor as well. God,
I feel like we have a lot of titles from them,
great stuff, We love love your work, William how far?

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Yes, help us out?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
Yeah, put out red account both of them on a
double bill.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
Oh yes, yes, and then also shout out that that's
possibly a future episode with a special guest or special
fringe special friend. So anyway, I think we should wrap
it up there.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
We got to take care of a cat and edit
this later. Bye bye ho ho ho

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