July 18, 2025 • 59 mins
In this episode, Han and Joyce sit outside and get real about what it means to raise a baby and a business at the same time. They unpack the emotional weight of pregnancy, letting go of control, and building a small business with intention.
Then, they dive headfirst into the world of elitism in food, the quiet violence of cultural appropriation, Orientalism in antique stores, and why MSG is not your enemy.
It’s vulnerable, funny, and full of heart. If you’ve ever felt like the system wasn’t built for you, this one’s for you.
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Hi, Joyce. Hey Hon.
We're outside, yeah. We've got a totally different
studio set up today. It's really nice.
It was hot earlier but I like this.
Yeah, the shade makes a big difference.
Yeah, you have so many animals here and it's like very
distracting. The goats are very cute.
Feel like I'm learning new things about you that you don't
like birds. No, no it's not.
(00:22):
They're just a little scary. Maybe I've been chased by
animals. Before you have.
You know, maybe Cute Animal Thursdays are just ways of me
trying to normalize being aroundanimals.
Well you never post about birds,so maybe.
Fuck birds. OK.
How has the past couple weeks been at Goodies?
You know, it's, it's that peak season.
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Yeah, it's been busy. We did a lot of events in the
last couple weeks in and out of store, so been definitely
feeling the grind. It's been awesome having
teammates at the shop holding itdown while we kind of handle
business out out of store. I'm really feeling that fleeting
nature of summer too, though, because we're now in July and
(01:06):
I'm like, I don't know. Are we doing well enough?
I'm not sure, but we've definitely kept busy.
We've been active. I think I officially after the
first Thursday in the Pearl event.
I'm taking it pretty easy now. That was my last event till like
the baby comes in the last week.I definitely feel it like my
body is shifting. I am not feeling productive.
(01:27):
I feel physically so exhausted and I'm totally OK with letting
that take over. I'm taking my naps and stuff.
That part's been a little challenging, but just trying to
go with it and ease into this, like different chapter.
I think I told you earlier too, it was crazy because this
Saturday Terrence and I had our first Saturday off together in
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over three years. Ever since we opened the shop,
it's just been us running the shop like six days a week.
But this Saturday our team open and closed and that felt so
good. It was like a totally different
feeling that we experienced and just really enjoying that piece
a lot. Nice.
But yeah, that's kind of been mylast couple weeks.
(02:13):
It sounds like you're able to, like you're setting everything
up to step away 'cause you're gonna be very busy with the
baby. Yeah, for sure.
I think at this point in our business too, we were hoping by
our third year, we would be in aplace where we could do this.
But of course, with the baby coming, that kind of speed
things forward too and got us toreally get ahead of all of that.
(02:37):
And yeah, we feel really good about it.
Our team's been on boarded for over 2 months now.
And yeah, everyone's super primed and ready and that feels
really good and we feel really empowered.
But yeah, it's time. Yeah, it's time.
Yeah, it's cool. Yeah.
It's so hard to have like so many moving pieces and then on
top of that, like, oh, we're going to have a baby.
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You know. Yeah, I've, I've generally
imagine, I mean, I don't, I kindof know first hand, but I, I
feel like all the shifts and changes, it's like this
immovable force to have to make these adjustments, right.
Like you physically can't work, you're going to be tired.
And I don't know, I think you'rehandling it really well, to be
(03:21):
honest with you. Thanks.
Yeah, I had no idea what to expect.
I kept asking everyone around me, especially other small
business owners who have gone through this, like, motherhood
journey while running a business.
I'm like, when am I supposed to,like, actually stop working?
I didn't really feel a need for the longest time.
I was like, everything feels so normal.
I really want to change my day-to-day.
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But some people are like, hey, if you feel good, you can work
up until the day you go into labor or whatever.
But yeah, I think it's, it's been an interesting exercise in
listening to my body and not always pushing through, whereas
that's usually what I do. But with this new factor of
like, you know, it's not just me.
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There's like a little guy in me depending on me feeling healthy.
So just listening to the cues ofmy body and while still staying
active. But yeah, everyone tells me that
there's no perfect time. And especially when you're
running a small business. For us, like one of our biggest
fears when we first opened was getting sick at the same time
'cause it was just us too. And especially if we had COVID,
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then we would have to close. And that was pretty terrifying
to do. Obviously, this is kind of a
different situation, but it's definitely pushed us forward to
just really get the business into a place where it can still
function and run smoothly. And I don't know, it's
interesting when you add a different challenge or
responsibility to your life, like you kind of just have to
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rise to the occasion or not so. Especially in this situation.
I always imagine though, especially with you personally,
Joyce, that like when you told me, Oh yeah, we're expecting a
baby, the first thing I thought I was like, oh, she's going to
work all the way, probably clutching A handgun and a phone
on the way to the hospital talking about I have can't take
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this call, right? Like you'll still take the call,
but be like, I can't take the call.
I'm going into labor by 'cause Ilike, I and I think that's a
real testament to like the grit that you have for your business
and the things that you care about and the people that you
care about. So I think that's really cool,
'cause you're fucking doing it. And it's so crazy.
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I just, yeah. And I, I don't know, I feel like
across the board, women that have small businesses that are
expecting, like, I kind of find the same thing.
Like all of them are like, Oh yeah, I, I feel fine.
Like we're good here, you know, like, and they just really
persevere. So like big ups to you and every
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other mom aspect of the mom and pop shops out there 'cause
that's not easy. I have more respect for women
than I ever have. I have so much faith in what
we're capable of, especially like, yeah, just experiencing it
and also seeing it. I think part of that too is
just, I think there is this ideathat pregnancy is a limiting
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factor or it can be or whatever.But I think in reality, a lot of
people just kind of crush it. They just.
Yeah, I, no, I, I totally agree.I don't, you know, it's funny,
like when when around the time we announced that Harlow was on
the way, right? We had, I had so many people be
like, oh damn, yeah. Yeah, we're good.
(06:43):
We're good here. Like this was completely
intended and then when it come came to like it's always in a
negative light, like you guys are handicapped in some way
because you have a child coming.But really it's I I personally
think the adaptability makes youso much stronger.
I agree, I don't think we shouldbe underestimating people and
honestly even between me and Terrance too, we're just like,
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we got this. I know it's going to be hard,
but what's new? Yeah, exactly.
What's new in the fact of in thesmall business world, like
throwing a kid on top of it, throwing a little credit card
debt. You'll be fine.
You know, we're just going to walk.
We can still walk, you know, still lift.
Shit. Speaking of lifting, I want to
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give a big shout out to Jinju Patisserie winning a James Beard
award. I think putting us on the map is
huge, but I have a very jilted view of the awards that come
with food and stuff like that because it's always, and this is
just in my brain and I'm just going to give a big fuck you to
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all the white chefs out there that are like, oh, I smoked all
this crack and then I found God or I found rehab.
And then thank you for the JamesBeard Award.
It's like, let's stop rewarding those dudes.
Like I look at Jinji. I'm like, hell yeah.
Two Korean women with making fire pastries Put Portland, OR
on the map. Yes.
That's amazing. That felt like a huge win.
(08:09):
I was so happy to see the celebration around that too, and
the community showing up. But yeah, really, really proud
of that one. Yeah, no, I like they man,
seriously, big, big shout out tothat.
And again, to come back to that whole thing like, you know, like
a lot of the, a lot of the awardspaces don't to me don't feel
very real. To me.
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Because it's like it doesn't apply to me, you know, because
I'm like, oh, I'll never win a beer award.
I'll never get these awards or these accolades.
So I think I shift it, you know,in my brain to be like, oh,
well, if I'm not going to win the award anyways, I'm just
going to just be me. I'm just going to do my thing
and do the best to my abilities and do the best that I can
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without the expectation of winning award or putting those
pressures on me. I think I've said this before,
like more in a more negative light.
Like if I'm going to get the handcuffs put on me, I'm a
fucking speak my mind. I'm going to go to jail.
I'm going to fucking go to jail.But it also works on the other
way for me. In my brain.
I know it sounds weird, but if I'm going to be positive about
something or if I'm not going tobe able to get an award, I'm
(09:11):
going to go for it anyways. I'm going to go as if I am going
to do it, Yeah. Yeah, but what award or not,
you're still a winner. You still.
Win you. Still win, you win at it.
So I, I don't know, I it's also kind of a mindset too.
Maybe the awards arena is not something you're even interested
(09:33):
in, are you? No.
Yeah. Maybe that's why we.
Feel, well, it's just what it is.
Is that to be awarded for makinggood food?
It's like what? I just feel like it's so tainted
because it's always impressing somebody else that's in a space
that is unattainable. Yeah, it's always a lot of
(09:54):
people, it's like not everybody can afford to go eat at these
fucking places. So are you getting a real look
or any looks on your food? And a lot of times it's, it just
doesn't. Like that's the thing about
Jinju is that they were so accessible.
They're. Yeah, yeah, You know, they're a
pastry shop and anybody can walkin the doors, grab what they
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need. You don't need to do a
reservation. You don't have to be in some
weird lottery systems to get these awards.
That award to them is way biggerthan any award.
Yeah, it's such an to anybody else because, you know, they
made it accessible too to everybody.
And on top of that, they're suchhumble people, despite how
talented they are and like how hard they work on their craft.
(10:38):
But I mean, I think the awards world too.
Yeah. It's, it really depends on like
what your goals are and the typeof thing you're going for.
But I can totally understand where you're coming from on
that. Yeah.
So I mean like recognition, I think I just have conditioned
myself to the point to get recognition elsewhere.
(10:59):
Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really
important to just, I think eventually with when you have a
small business, you will find the markers of what progression
is. Or you're like, it's like you
find your voice and it's like really adjusting the bars of
what success is, like somebody else's success.
(11:19):
Like literally then people are like, you know, I've definitely
talked to chefs. There's like, yeah, I got
nominated for a beer and I'm just like, I couldn't give a
fuck less. But then there's on the other
end, there's people just like, you know, I raised enough money
and I get to pick and choose where I get to spend
thatmoneyfor.org that to me, I'mjust like, dude, that's awesome.
Yeah, I guess it's really different.
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I think in the spaces of, especially in the spaces of
food, like our podcast is a goodexample, a lot of people want to
know what it's like or want to be close to us and stuff like
that. I I just feel like a lot of
those awards will dehumanize thepeople and put certain people on
pedestals and make people very unapproachable.
And then it also reflects in thefood and it affects the brand,
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like it's unapproachable or it'sjust always there and it gets
annoying. That's fair.
I mean, I think this kind of touches on the topic of like
elitism and the untouchable, which I think both of us kind of
shy away from in many ways. Whereas the rawness and the
realness of who we are as peoplekind of like matters to us to
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show to like our people in our community maybe.
Yeah, maybe it does happen, but I don't see a lot of people that
win awards. Like really chase after
something to give back to a community, you know, like, how
do you amplify the voices? Or like, how do you give back
because you have so many eyes focused on you?
I mean, maybe, maybe you don't have to, I don't know.
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But like for me, like I know I'mnot ignorant to the hype that I
can garner and I'm, I'm not ignorant to like how far I've
taken the name. And so a lot of times when I do
help out at certain businesses or for somebody that I really
like, you know, like I'll use that my voice to try to amplify
theirs or like I try to bring them up as well.
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Like, oh, if you like my food, you should try this food.
Yes. And I get so much more out of
that than to just try to grind. Like, you know, it makes the
grind worth it. I said this to a friend of mine
a while ago. They were asking me like, I
don't understand why you're helping me so much, but I really
appreciate it. And I was like, do you think me
falling down with Kim Jong Un for 11 years, I have to pass
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that knowledge on of all the wrong turns that I've made,
otherwise it doesn't make it worth the falling down.
Yeah, I think in that aspect, I,I think that's why I really try
to champion this, helping out the peers in the community.
And then that I think that's like really strengthens the
community for. Sure.
So you use that social capital that you have.
(13:56):
Yeah, and you? Use it you like, spend it in in
the ways that you want to spend your money, right?
I mean, I always wonder though, if it's working, does it the
spending, the social capital, does it really help out?
I think so. Yeah.
I mean, I guess like long term impact, I'm not sure on specific
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things, but I think it says a lot when someone like roots for
someone else publicly. You're right.
Yeah, that's true. I think it.
Means a lot and especially as like people were very social
creatures like I, I think we depend on a lot of these social
cues to know who we should be looking at supporting or
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especially if we respect someoneand they're like vouching for
you. Those kinds of things impact me
personally. That's an.
Interesting ticket. I, I guess I try my hardest and
not think about it too much, like think too much about the
social credit that I have. I always in this like literally
anybody could be in my shoes andI do a lot of downplaying.
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I think that's a lot of the Korean in me, yeah.
But you know, a lot of people will be in your corner and
vouching for you too. And that comes with building
that you've built that over time.
So it's actually very valuable. I think social capital is very
valuable. It's not very tangible.
It's hard to measure, but maybe.The way to measure it is like if
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I really break the law and see who comes to bat for me.
Oh. Like Luigi?
Free Luigi dude can do no wrong.Not that.
He broke any laws, but yeah. That dude can't do any wrong.
But yeah, the people show up. Like in that case, for example,
that's a great example to look at.
But the way that people from allsides and spectrums were just
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going to bat for this person that they don't know, Yeah.
The well, I think it's because the relatability is very high,
yes. They stood for something.
Yeah, they. Stood for something.
And I think a lot of good peopleand leaders do stand for
something, and it's clear to thepeople who look to them.
So I don't know. I think those things matter.
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Yeah, I think. I think you're right.
Jesus Christ that goat is so cute.
She's the really cute one. She's.
Scratching on the. She's a little rent.
She got abandoned by her mom andhad to be bottle fed I'm.
Just I'm like, I'm sorry. It's so distracting.
It's so cute. You scratch that butt.
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OK. Yeah, I you're right.
Speaking of communities, like I heard this thing online,
somebody said competition happens at the lowest levels and
collaborations happen at the highest levels.
And I really like that quote because it's so true.
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Yeah, the company that I would like to thank, the company that
I've built using social credit and trying to be as fair as
possible is like really it it I,I think it's paid off in
dividends for me because like I'm, I feel like I'm constantly
collaborating with the people that I like.
If I can use my name to like make me money, then why can't we
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do it? Why can't we both do it to make
us money via a pop up or a dish or what have you?
Yes. It's easy to have that scarcity
mindset, especially coming from,I don't know, being children of
immigrants and being people of color where historically we have
been pitted against each other to create this false sense of
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competition. It's easy to have that scarcity
mindset and act in that way. But like it really breeds more
of that. I think it's.
I, I agree with you that it really does that scarcity
mindset this crazy. And I think it like, it also
bleeds into like the model minority because one of the
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things I, I've talked to some people about is like, if there's
a model minority, then what's the opposite?
There has to be something else to be compared to.
And is it like, why? Why is it always so?
Why are we so separated? Like right now?
Like with all the things going on politically, it's like, it's
very obvious that a lot of like Hispanic communities right now
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are getting targeted. And like I, I see the power of
collaboration between two different cultures that have so
many similarities, like the immigrant parents, the first
gens and stuff like that. You know, hence we have the
bulgogi Taco, you know, like things like that, like really,
really beautiful things come outof it.
And it's just a shame that there's something like looming
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over that's keeping it all separated.
And I think that's one of the things that we, I think you and
I both inherently like with our communities, like tried to just,
I mean, in we could be looked atin one way, like we just keep it
insular and it could be looked outwardly like we're building
our own army of people of the belief structures and stuff.
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Yeah. It's not that we're only
focusing on our like specific communities necessarily, but
that's what's authentic to us and makes sense.
It's not that we're necessarily excluding other people, but
yeah, like if one of our groups is being targeted, we're all
being targeted. That's so.
True. And having a strong sense of
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identity and community is still very important in my opinion,
whatever that means to you, right?
But. It's really hard.
I have a friend that on the gym in Vancouver and she asked me
this question which was like I use my online presence to be
loud and on political stances and stuff and I.
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Respect that I was. Like man, I so respect that and
I think I used to be the same way until I saw it directly
affect my business or I see it directly like I mean.
When I say directly affect my business to be very specific,
like to get hateful comments or to get and to have to like
really sit there and defend yourself online.
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It takes up so much energy. Yeah, it's.
Definitely a challenging territory on like the balance of
how much you speak up, I guess to which is hard because
inherently I feel like running abusiness, a small business is
political and agreed, a lot of our values are just baked into
the way that we run and build our business.
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They may not be as obvious or inyour face as like making a lot
of statements, but I always respect it when I do see it.
Yeah, because it's not easy. It's scary.
So. Scary it.
There's a lot of repercussions that can come with it, and we're
constantly reminded of these things.
It's my. Friend's credit, she does a lot
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with making sure that everybody feels inclusive in her space and
to really amplify that online with her political stances.
I think it's so respectful to me.
Like with food, it's really hard.
You know, it's really hard because I do have people that
really love my brand. You know, they almost noveltize
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it because they're like, oh, it's really cute.
Like somebody described me as ananarchist one time and I was
like, when have I ever said that?
And I think it's I just, I'm very envious that people can do
that without it really affectingthe business.
But I guess the end of argument is like, well, you don't want
that money anyways. You don't want, you don't want
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the smoke from those people anyways.
Yeah. It's, it's tricky.
I think generally in my world aslike a little, I don't know, in
the world of food and beverage, but like in the packaged goods
world, yeah, like I kind of stayin my lane too, for the most
part. When the conversations and
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current happenings that are happening in the industry, those
are things that I definitely do like to participate in, in terms
of conversations. Like David Chang is an asshole.
Totally. He loves.
To capitalize on Asian culture, but he doesn't actually have any
respect for it in the way that Isee how he runs his businesses
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and especially how he approachedit this one time.
I don't know if you remember, but he was trying to take and
trademark all the chili crisp. Oh, I remember.
Yeah. Anyway.
That was the moment when I was just like, OK, you've always
just kind of been an asshole, I feel like.
At the level that he's at, because I do remember this.
I remember when Trump went to office the first time, he had to
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make a statement where he was just like, my main investor
donated all this money to Trump's campaign.
And he's he really put it out there.
He's like, I'm begging you to not do this and that.
And at that moment, I was just like, oh, OK, so you have a
heart. But I started thinking about
being at that level that he's atwith his brands and everything
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else. Like you have so many moving
parts. And I'm not trying to sympathize
for David Chang, but I think a lot of times things get away
from him being through interpretation 'cause there's so
many people. Yes, it's.
Diluted, it's diluted. But at the same time it's then
what the fuck are you doing withyour time bro?
Like why don't you? Your face is still on it.
Man, your face is still on all. This shit your name is still on
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and you're putting me to. Shame.
As an Asian American, I'm like and and I forget, but he's
Korean. Yeah, we.
Actually grew up in the same town.
Oh, he did, Yeah. A lot of the places that he
talks about in his book I've been to.
And it's really weird because heactually went to the rival high
school. We actually have some mutual
friends, which is really wild because it's really wild because
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I came out like this and he cameout like that.
Like, what's the obvious? What was the obvious separation
there? What was the obvious thing?
Well, you clearly came from a different class than I did, but
you really kind of cosplayed Immigrant, yeah.
I didn't want this to drag on too much about that guy, but
yeah, honestly, that guy irks me.
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Yeah, it irks me too, because. Like he really does move like
the man, right? Like the the white dudes that we
always talk about that do fucking bad shit.
And like I know. And that's one of the things.
That, I think is like the hardest is that, you know, like
people sympathize. Well, just in general, you know,
like, how is it possible that there's white people out there
that do the same crime as somebody that's black and they
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don't get any time, you know? And it's like, I'm so sick of,
I'm just, I'm so fucking sick ofthe inequality of that.
And it bleeds into our businesses too.
It just baffles me. Like, how did you blow through
all your inheritance money? You sold a good product.
You still fucked it up and you still have a second, third, 4th,
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7th, 8th, 9th chance. Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, we see it time and. Time again.
Yeah, it's it's. Crazy like, 'cause like I have
wondered, I'm like, dude, are there other dollar bills that
I'm not seeing? Is there denominations that I
don't know about or something like what am I just?
It's crazy. And it also comes down to a
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value point to me because then everything that I do is
devalued. Everything that I do is is in
comparison. It's hard when you're.
Not set up with the same building blocks.
Yeah I've said this before man, if I was a fucking white dude
with my Korean brain I would fucking be goddamn ruler of this
fucking earth. You know I would be like Genghis
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Khan 2 point OI would have takenover Russia by This is why they
keep us. Down OK, I swear to God it.
Really is. It's why they keep us separate
and. Do you like and?
Do you remember when? I don't know if you remember
this, but there's a woman out there that was like making
Chinese food and I think she even used specifics.
She's like, I'm making Szechuan cuisine but with like better
(25:53):
ingredients but it's healthy. And it's that I'm like, do
bitch. Like.
First off, who the hell do you think you.
Are who do you think you? Are and I I see this a lot with
with packaged goods too. Oh, 100.
Percent. Are you kidding?
It's yes, it's it's a nightmare.I mean, I think I sent you a
bottle of a picture of a Korean fried chicken hot sauce Chimek,
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and it looked hella Korean. Everything on there was Korean
passing. And I did my research and yeah,
it was made by an Irish dude in Ireland.
Oh my God. And he has a Korean.
Fried chicken restaurant and I'mlike, oh, I think when you said.
That to me, I was so infuriated I blacked out.
Yeah, I. Yes, 'cause I don't think I said
much. About it.
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OK, let's just go ahead and justcover this right now.
I have to, I have to say, how dare you people fucking take my
like, this is where ownership really matters to me, where I'm
like, how are you doing that with that face?
And I'm grinding out here with my face.
But you get more press that I don't.
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I'm clearly healthier than you, better looking than you,
funnier. Fucking hilarious.
Yet your quiet, dumb, meek, thick glassed ass is making way
more money than me off my shit. Off my fucking.
Shit, that's insane. And I've talked to a lot of
people about this. It's specifically to Portland.
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Like Portland has had a lot of colonizers take different
cuisines that are like Asian, whatever Indian and then make it
their own and then make hella money, especially early
Portland. Early Portland.
Especially yeah. Yeah, I always.
Joke about Earl Ninsam, like himas a restaurateur.
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Like I always joke I'll wake up on a Tuesday and be like, damn
this motherfucker out in anotherrestaurant.
But honestly, it's not. It's not even in a hateful way.
It's just I literally am like, hell yeah, yeah.
Like, sweet, who's going to get the first Portland based
restaurant on the moon? It's going to be Earl, you know,
And I love that. I, I'm so sick of seeing, I
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think we had one restaurateur who is doing all this like
Spanish influence foods and stuff like that.
Made hell of money. Then when he got cancelled, it
was like a nuclear bomb went off.
Portland's kind of growing up a little cool.
All right, sweet. We're progressing finally.
Yeah, see, I'm not so in touch with a lot of the tea around
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town, but whenever I learn of it, it's always very
interesting. Yeah, 'cause in.
Your business with packaged goods, You, you vet a lot of
stuff for your store. Yeah, absolutely.
And that's kind of what's built in with me being in charge of,
you know, running my business and choosing the things.
But for me, some of those valuesand the reason that we opened
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the shop was that I felt like a lot of the things I wanted to
see out there weren't being represented.
And if they were, they weren't being represented by the right
people. There's so many little.
Bulba Pearl. Companies that are not even run
by Asians. I'm not saying everything needs
to be, but there's just some things that just don't make any
sense to me and it really just drives me nuts.
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I always do my research. I like to look if if it looks
Asian it better be Asian. Damn.
Joyce, that's fucking awesome. I would love to sit with you
like that would be a really goodepisode just to be like this
product, white or not, you know,like Korean or not.
Hey man, some. Of them have clear indicators
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that they are white and some of them pass so well that it scares
me. Dude, when you.
Said the Chimek sauce. I was like, what?
It was so cute too. And then I, I was just so angry,
but I had to communicate to the distributor who just kept trying
to get in in my store. I was like, hey man, I'm Korean
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and I'm offended. So did your distributor.
Like hear you when you said that, Yeah.
And. He's not necessarily my
distributor, but it was a new distributor that was trying to
get new product in. And I was like, hey, something
that matters to me is that if itlooks Asian, it's made by
Asians, OK? So it's cute.
Thank you, but not for me. They're like, OK, got it.
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But yeah, I mean, not that I'm like making big changes to the
industry by doing this, but like, those voices matter.
And This is why I feel like being in my position, those
things matter to me to speak up about.
I I disagree. I think you're making a huge
difference. I think it's a huge difference
because I think upon getting a small business, being becoming a
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small business, you low key become the authority of what
you're making, what you're doing, and you have the
decisions. Like you could easily sell out
and sell like all the stuff thatthat is hidden amongst white
people. Or you could do what you're
doing, the position that you're in.
You know, you should really. I think it's way more than you
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think It's that's the. Least I can control.
So it it matters to me and I know it matters to my customers
too. So yeah, that's that's a real
thing. But hey, I I remember this one
time I someone I grew up with his mom.
She's super sweet woman, but shegave me a cookbook and she's
like, it's one of my favorite Chinese cookbooks.
And I honestly never opened it up until like pretty recently.
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I was with Terrence and I openedit and I started reading the
recipes. They had some funny ass like
recipe names like emerald green fire breathing dragon noodle
soup. What was it?
Good. So it's like, that's kind of
weird. I looked at all the recipes.
They all had silly names like that.
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So I dive deeper into this book and I'm like, who the hell wrote
this book? It's just like hippie white
lady. And she's like, because the
Chinese really love using these kind of ingredients, I've opted
for a healthier option. I was like, oh hell no.
Oh my God. What the hell?
And this is when I learned of the term Orientalist.
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What does that mean? Dude, it's.
White people who are obsessed for the lack of a better word,
like they are very fascinated bythe Orient and to be educated in
in the culture and by a lot of things to adorn their home.
They like the Asian aesthetic, basically that's.
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An orientalist. Yeah.
Yeah, that sounds like almost like a racial slur.
I mean, I knew they. Existed, but I met some.
So like when I when my mom was like sick and like we were
downsizing her home, we were like, we had an estate sale,
sold a bunch of her stuff and itwas crazy just opening up our
doors to all these people. But yeah, this couple, older
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couple came in, very nice car, very nicely dressed, immediately
came in. We're just like in love with
everything in the home. They bought a bunch of stuff and
the comment that will always stay with me, I had like a pen
in my hair holding my hair up orsomething.
She's like, oh, I love the chopsticks in your hair.
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It's very ethnic. It's like, what the hell?
What the hell? Talks like.
This, but those people are probably Orientalist.
I'm, I feel like I'm getting offtrack.
But yeah, there's this this strange feeling that I get when
people say I want it to be healthier or it has MSG in it.
Oh my God. That kind of.
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Stuff drives me nuts because it's like, OK, here in American
culture we what's super normal boxed macaroni.
We love spaghetti noodles and pasta sauce and that's super
normal. But like you look at instant
noodles and people are like, oh,that's, that's not good for you.
It's literally the same thing. It's the same shit.
It's convenience. It's funny, that's actually
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something I say a lot in the store.
When people look at some of the dried noodles that we carry,
they're like, oh, is this good? Good.
I'm like, yeah, it's just like your pasta noodles you have in
your pantry. It's just great staple to have
easy 5 minute meal, same thing. Oh damn, you're a good.
Just a different. Sauce, yeah, but yeah, this,
this fear of Asian foods not being healthy or being cheap or
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MSG being bad. It's like, dude, do you even
know what you're talking about? No, no, it's.
A lot of hearsay and it's racist.
It's super. Fucking racist.
This is a fact that I know the biggest consumers of MSG
worldwide is actually America because of the Cheetos, chips,
Doritos phenomenon. Everything's got MSG in it.
So going by that logic, like half you motherfuckers should be
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dead by now. And then the other aspect of
just cheaper or healthier or whatever.
It's like a little little secret.
Maybe most people know like whenyou come to my cart and you have
you get just just a rice plate or if you get a Beeban box,
which is our best seller, right?I deceivingly make you eat so
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many more fucking vegetables than anybody else.
And I think that is a big testament to the power of MSG to
be honest with you, You know, like, why is it so delicious?
Well, that's why that's the hack.
And like I've seen people there.I have them die hard customers
that have that eat a lot of my food and I'm like, wow, you're
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not dead. You're not like having to like
have a wheel for a foot 'cause you're dying of diabetes.
You know what I mean? I mean, you're right.
It takes way more ingredients tomake our food.
And just speaking for like, because I grew up with a Korean
mom, if you've ever looked in a Korean mom's fridge, do you know
how many things it takes to makeso much?
Any single. One meal or punch hand or
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anything, it takes so many different ingredients that you
are not going to find Yeah in a grocery store.
It's to the. Point where even our own people
in Korea are like bro I am not like our generation.
Like dude, I'm not making kimchi.
Oh my God, it's like 19 hours, you know, just I'll that's the
first half time it takes. A lot of ingredients, and I'm
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talking like spices, herbs, fresh ingredients.
You know, it's not like the simple American food that we eat
out of a box or a can. Oh, by the way, something I find
very interesting, though, now oftoday, like, how convenient a
lot of these things have gotten,though.
I was introduced to these soup packets with merchy, like the
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anchovies. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seaweed. You just put.
It in your soup for the sock base.
I'm like, that is so genius because otherwise it's just in
the freezer, just unmarked all these mystery ingredients that
you have to use with packaged. Foods too now.
Like I had a friend growing up who's Korean, worked at a video
game company and whenever they go to 711, he would just be so
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bummed. Be like, they go to 711 and he'd
be like, y'all have like two types of chips.
He doesn't need shit. You got 2 flavors, corn or
potato. And then you look at the drink
section, it'd be like really Coke or Sprite.
Like that's so weak 'cause if you look like we, like Asians
are the kings of convenience andfood and preference and.
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Preference. It's like we'll find the weirdos
that would only eat certain things and then really
capitalize on it. But you're right.
Like I think there's so many, like there's just so much
ignorance to the point where I often wonder, like, are we just
keeping it this way? Is there somebody who's holding
it down? Because I'll say like to the to
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the Orientalism thing. A lot of those folks.
I'm not trying to defend them, but a lot of those folks didn't
have avenues like the fascination was tipped because
it was like fetishized. Whereas.
Now it's like there's a very, very, very specific way that
it's OK to be very interested inAsian culture.
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It's like First off boba, you know, you bet you got to go
through your boba phase. You have to have known about
boba by watching certain animes if you're not in a Ruto one
piece exposure. Therapy there's.
Certain there's just an Ave. youhave to go to 'cause there's
certain people that I'll look at.
I'm just like, yeah, you get thepass.
You get the pass to like, yeah, you can, you can totally hang
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that sword in your house. Like, you're a Naruto fan, you
know, you watch hella anime, youread more manga than you could
you could like faster than you purchase, you know, Oh, and and
you eat enough noodles to keep goodies in business.
OK, yeah, play on player. But the orientalism that old
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school is, it is so cringy. Yeah, it's.
Definitely really interesting. Yeah, I I don't know if I told.
You this, but there's a the veryparticular antique store that I
go to and it's in like Eastern Washington.
I'm not gonna give it away because it is.
It's your spot. It's my.
Spot I love. Going in there but I didn't
really liked antiques. OK, so.
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Honestly, I like buying. I like buying old spoons.
Oh my God, you have. A spoon fetish too?
Oh, it's a chef thing. Yes, I.
Do it's a totally chef thing youuse them, but I.
Use them I Use them I. Like I'll like, I love finding
like old school, like silver spoons and stuff like that, like
really cool odd shapes. Anyways.
But I remember the first time I went there and I was like, oh,
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this is so cool. And I they have a basement.
They're like more stuff in the basement.
I went to the basement and it isjust littered with Asian doors,
like antique Asian doors, thingsfrom the 1800s like African
bread making baskets and stuff like that.
And I was like, wow. And the first thing in my brain
was like, I just pictured somebody in like Thailand
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walking out of their village being like, who the fuck stole
our doors again? Where the fuck is my family's
Buddha? Where do these come from?
It's out here. In Eastern Washington for oh
shit. 'Cause I I I.
Wonder like where? Where's like?
I hope you all paid for this 'cause it'll have the price tag
that you're putting on now. Like all under the guise of
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antiques and Orientalism. Weird.
I know it's really weird but. Now that I said it, Joyce, when
you go to certain antique shops,you're gonna see it.
You're gonna be like, oh, is this OK?
Is this OK for you to? Have cause at a certain point,
you know, like you look at certain things, you're like, I
don't think you should be havingthis thing that has a Nazi
symbol on it. Furthermore, that's a lot of
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money you're asking for, for that.
But when you apply it to like a lot of like Asian stuff and like
antique, like Asian, like ornamental stuff, like, it
really stands out. Like it's like now that I've
mentioned it, like, you'll see, yeah.
Interesting. Yeah, I said.
Like cute. Buddhas like little marble
trinkets and Knick knacks and stuff like that.
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Like where'd you get that? How did you get an officer's
sword? A Japanese officer's sword?
How did? You get that?
Bro, you know, it's interesting.It's infuriating to me.
I can't Unsee it. Ever since I said that, like
just picturing that poor Asian person like so and so our door
again, so and so, our Buddha that was in the family for like
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over 3000 years. I know the Orientalism is real,
but now I know what it's called.Yeah, you should look it up.
It's interesting. I'm going to now.
I'm going to now. It's like, I get the
fascination, but being on this end of it, it does get like
insulting now. It's weird.
It's so weird. Yeah, I mean.
They like our food, they like our aesthetics, but they they
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don't want to pay a fair price. That's crazy.
No, it's not supposed to be. Cheaper are you?
Are you kidding me? Why is it supposed to be cheaper
and it's not unhealthy? And also.
The way that Americans also understand a lot of the majority
of ethnic foods is very limited in scope because we have to
simplify things for the Americanmarket, Yeah.
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Yeah, that's very true, man. That was like the hardest thing
for me in the early years of KimJong Un Was like, all right,
who's gonna fucking eat this? You know, like, what's my
shtick? What's my angle that I can sell
this? Like there's meats on bones.
There's a lot of fermented shit I'm trying to pass off.
And like, I honestly, I had thisconversation with myself so much
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that I really did fall into the role of the educator.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, And like, just like,
you have to, you know, like that.
I think that's like a fantastic thing to say.
Like, oh, just like you got a $0.99 of pasta in your.
That's that's what we have at our house, except it's ramen.
Yes, same. Thing.
Same same. But different.
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So have you thought about what goodies looks like with the
third business partner being your kid?
I'm sure the. Equation changes a little bit in
the beginning there. It's funny because it's kind of
like we've got a shop dog. Terrence and I work together,
we're together 24/7. So this is kind of our
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lifestyle. And so the baby has to fit into
our world. And I don't think the dynamics
necessarily gonna change too much.
The baby's just gonna be there with us.
People are like, have you guys thought about child care?
And I was like, hell no. How am I supposed to afford
child? Oh hell no, you can't afford
child. Care or whatever.
No, that's not something that has even crossed my mind.
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I'm like, no, the baby's gonna be with us.
This is why it works. We're together.
We are building this together. A baby is gonna be there.
There's nothing wrong with that.Oh no, there's everything.
Right, with that, it's just I'm interested, I'm very interested
in seeing how good he's is goingto change.
Yeah, some obvious. Things I guess would be having
little new life force is gonna challenge us more to continue
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building and doing things betterand being more efficient, but
also learning to take time to bea family.
All we know is the grind of being, you know, at work all the
time. So I know that aspect's
definitely true. I have a few.
Predictions, OK. OK, first.
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I think everything aestheticallyat goodies over the years, your
shelves and stuff are going to get either deeper or taller, so
they. Can't touch everything but I
think. You're going to utilize that
backspace to the point of possibly thinking about opening
a daycare. Because you're gonna have.
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This kid with you all the time and I'm so stoked for you.
I am so stoked. For you, 'cause like, because I
went through, Oh yeah, drop yourkids off.
Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be the new hustle.
I thought about this on the way over here because like, when you
see my daughter, when you see Harlow, you're like, oh, damn,
she's so chill. You know, I'm like, no, I had to
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make her chill. I need my flowers.
I need you guys to give me mad respect because it wasn't easy
and I've never known the depths of tired.
I've never known the depths of tired until she came around, I'm
sure. But.
I think that is. The secret to building an
awesome human being is to bring them with you everywhere.
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I don't think it's not for everybody, but in my situation
with Harlow, it's to the point now where and she's like, oh,
you got a lot of prep today. I'm like, you know what I do?
I got extra hands. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's go.
And it's really cool because I know there's a generation around
our age where, like, the kids had to work in the restaurants
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and they were forced to do it. But I think over the years,
because there's that whole generation, we've also evolved
to the point like, oh, we can make this hella fun.
You know, like, like maybe algebra is not Harlow's greatest
things. Can she do hella fractions and
can she, does she know her like,pints a gallon to quarts a cup
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ratios. Absolutely.
You know, that's that, Yeah. That's applicable, yeah.
It's. It's cool.
I'm, I'm very excited. I'm so excited for you to see,
like, how that's going to be andlike, yeah, Terrance tries.
To remind me that kids become helpful at a certain age.
And it's just funny because it just never crossed my mind in
that way. I've always thought about it the
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other way. I'm like, oh, I got to take care
of them. I've got to always think about
them. I got to feed another mouth.
We're just going to be making. Way more meal prep than ever
before. This is where my head's at.
But then, yeah, people are like,Oh yeah, my kids bring me food.
They shove it in my mouth. I'm like, that's really cute.
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But yeah, it's a whole new adventure.
I'm excited to see what that's going to look like.
But yeah, I don't know. It's.
It's interesting. Yeah, I think.
'Cause Harlow, when she was born, I didn't open Kim Jong Un
yet. And when she was like 2, I was
never ashamed to take her placeslike restaurants.
I was never scared if she cries or she gets loud, like I'd be
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like, yo, babies cry and all that socializing like really
paid off. I think also though, like the
downside is you have to get really creative on like the
things that we can do that don'tinvolve money, that don't like
that we bond without the work aspect of it because then it
just gets awkward. So it's a, it's a huge balancing
act. But I have no regrets on how
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amazing she's like fit into my life being a small business
owner. And like, you know, I give her
mom like mad props too, because,you know, she really injected
her with a lot of patience as well for like, you know, you're
not going to see dad for some nights or what have you.
So there's a, there's a lot to be, there's a lot of like really
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fucking cool things. I think there's way more cool
things to have a small business than have a kid than there are
like negative for sure. And.
Honestly, seeing your example ofhow that's working out too is
very inspiring. Thanks.
Yeah. We want our kid to be as
socialized as we are. We want them to experience life
to the fullest. We feel really lucky because
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they get to grow up with the community that we love and that
we build. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And people who are around us, like, I feel really lucky having
people as my friends, but like them now looking forward to
meeting our kid and being part of their life, that that part's
been just mind blowing to me to even imagine.
Like, wow, they get to grow up with so much love and support,
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and they get to live in our world as well.
Yeah. And this is like.
Also, being kids of immigrants like this is the opportunity
that you asked for to break generational trauma and
generational things. It's so different.
It's. So different and.
I think the old school way of doing it, but I've heard people
will be like, Oh well, you have it so easy.
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You know, I'll never say that toHarlow.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly you.
Know I'm just like yo. Like it was difficult when I was
doing this and this is how it relates to you now and
definitely, you know, to. Really.
Break those. Generational curses is it feels
good, Yeah, it's kind of a. Gift It is a gift.
I look back on how we were raised and it's world's
different and I'm excited for this opportunity to make it a
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really positive experience. And we feel lucky too, because
we get to do it in the way that we want to.
Of course it's going to be hard,all of it's hard, but we're just
excited to build a positive environment and have fun while
we're doing it and be parents that are actually in love with
each other. So those things are really
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exciting because it's so different.
So different than what we grew up with too.
So it's funny because. There are times where I look at
Harlow and I'm like, I know whatshe's going through and it's so
relatable that it's almost, it'sjust so laughable.
There's times I'm just like, I don't like you have to be the
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bearer of bad news, dude. I'm sorry, man.
White's going to White or there are other times I'm just like,
man, you want to get a cigaretteor something?
All right, All right. You know, like, it's too far.
But I yeah, just it. It is an amazing feeling to have
a small business and to have a kid growing up with it.
And like, I will tell you right now, like the unbelievable
pressure of keeping your small business alive for your child.
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Are you kidding me? So grand.
Too. So like, you know, be easy on
yourself on that part too. It's definitely.
Already here, I mean, even even before the kid too.
Now we have, you know, staff andwe gotta make sure that they're
getting paid. And yeah, the pressure's
definitely on. And that's a very real reality
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all the time. But that's also.
Now knowing like the history of how good he's came to be, you
know, like you should really patyourself on the bat.
That's so much progress that you've that you have.
You know what I mean? It's so much it doesn't feel
like it, but when you look back and when you take the time to
look back, it's really importantto do that I think is to look
back and be like, oh cool. Like I look back.
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I'm like I even the small things.
I use rice as a measure for Kim Jong Carlin.
I'm like, I used to buy one bag of 150 LB bag of rice for a week
and now I'm like, damn, I have to buy you again like 4 times a
week. That's true.
There are, yes. There are those indicators that
remind me of the movement and the growth, man.
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Sometimes it just doesn't feel like it's enough.
No it. Doesn't it doesn't.
And I think, yeah, I don't know what it's like to be abundant.
You know, like with with business, I don't know what that
feels like. And I think the closest thing
was like recently, because my business shifted so much when we
moved back to Southeast, where I've almost touched the
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abundance, you know, and but youknow, like I got to keep it
reeling in the street and feel like a struggle.
I have to, you know, like I don't know how it's to be.
I know, but you got to embrace. It Oh yeah, I know.
I totally. Embrace it.
Like. Yeah, I totally embrace it.
It's cool. I I have to remind myself to be
easy on myself. And you know, I encourage you to
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do that too, especially with with the little 1 coming around.
Yeah, I can't wait to spoil yourkids.
I. Can't wait to be like.
Hey, you want a knife? Yes, don't tell Baby's First
Grill. Baby's first gold.
Tooth, you know, Oh, oh, I can'twait.
Oh my God, that's so funny. Yeah, it's cool.
I got. I I try to push that on Harlow
all the time. She's so different.
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Yeah. And that's why I'm like, yo, do
you want, do you want like a little three piece gold?
Do you want like a chain? And she'll just be like, God, no
Dad, someone cool, you know, like.
That's the other thing. Too is I have to realize like
I'm very uncool in certain aspects, you know?
I mean, no matter how cool you are, we're still going to be
cringe to our kids. That's a weird.
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Reality. Yeah.
Think of. Which I'm stoked because.
Like I look at her and she's like, uh, God, stop scrolling
down. Read something you know, or
like. She'll be like tattoos.
It's pretty funny, yeah. It's trippy though as.
Of today we're I know this is not a real number, but ten days
out from our due date, 10 days. Any day now.
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Whoa. And yeah, the uncertainty of
when that's gonna happen is the hardest part of like,
everything's kind of in flux, Yeah, but, well.
That's life. I can feel.
The anticipated energy coming from you, are you at the point
of like just fucking come out already or are you it's?
Not to that point yet necessarily, but yes, in the
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last week, things have shifted. I'm like, I feel extremely
rotund and like things are really tight in there.
He's uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable.
I've been really lucky. Majority of my pregnancy's been
pretty like wonderful, comfortable, fun.
Like life hadn't changed too much.
I was just kind of still doing my thing.
But yeah, in the last week a lotand a lot of people told me
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towards the end you're going to want him out.
And I'm like, well, I'm down forhim to come out, but I want him
to come out on a good day. Oh.
Joyce, this is something you have no control over.
No, exactly. No control.
The part of like surrendering I,it just needs to happen.
But I'm like, hey, it would be nice if you were born on the
full moon, like on the 10th. Yeah, No, dude, you can.
Go ahead and just scrap that right now.
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The other day we. Were coming back from a dinner
and I started feeling like thesecontractions and I was like Oh
no, not, not today, not today, just not today.
But I said that on the 4th of July I was like better not come
on 4th of July. But it's pretty funny.
But yeah, I mean. Like I'm ready.
I'm I'm kind of ready for him tojust do his thing now.
I would like for it to just happen naturally.
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It's gonna happen whether I knowready or.
Not. It's funny.
'Cause yeah, like the positions that we're both in, when there's
like something that's uncertain,I can feel it.
I can feel it on people. I think the closest thing I
contribute to is like getting caught.
If you're in trouble for something, you're just like
waiting, you know? When are the cops going to?
Get When are the cops supposed? To do the door, like, when is,
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you know, when am I going to getcaught in this?
And it's just. It's funny because I see it on
you. Yeah, I mean we.
I'm done with the big events, but I still have two big events
coming up this month that I'm anticipating and I just need to
be at peace with. Everything's going to be fine
without me. Yeah.
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But yeah, I'm a control. Phrase see you just gripping
your phone. In one hand and a gun in the
other. Just like fucking not today.
Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, I'm, I'm learning.
I'm learning to surrender because this is literally that.
That's that's what we're doing. I think I learned.
Something a little bit about youjust now, Joyce.
Like how opposite we are becauseI thrive in absolute chaos when
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everything's falling apart. Like my voice will get lower.
That's true, you do. Yeah, like my voice will get
lower. And be like, oh, OK, all right,
everything's on fire, exploding,people yelling at me.
I I thrive in that environment. It's so wild.
But I don't think, I don't thinkyou do.
I think you have to have, you know, do you hold?
On to it. The toxic side.
Of me though, like in in the producer role though, I am used
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to shit going chaotic and being the calm one and making things
happen. But yes in my life I like to
plan, I like to calculate, I like to be ready.
I like to have control as much as I can.
But yeah, this is the art of letting go.
What is that? Do you?
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Think, do you think that's something that's very maybe,
maybe I'm looking too deep into it, I don't know, Maybe it's a
trauma. Response.
Maybe it's astrological. I'm a Virgo, so you know, I'm
very anal. Yeah.
Don't bring space. Racism to this podcast, please.
This is This is neither the timenor the place, but.
No, I I'm very specific. I don't know, maybe I'm
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neurodivergent. I.
Think no, I think it's I think it's fucking cool, man.
Like, I don't know, just from owning small business, like I
make lists and stuff like that. But then like, it's like when
the check marks don't go away fast stuff, I'm like, all right,
we're just going to fucking freeball this.
Let's go, all right, fuck it, you go there.
We'll do this here. Like turn that shit on, you
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know, don't burn that. Yeah.
And then somehow at the end, I'djust like, I'd come out the
other side and I'm just like, oh, huh, Was as bad as I thought
it was, you know? I know I'm incredibly.
Lucky. I think maybe it's calculated
chaos that I'm very good at, yeah.
I I just have zero chill. I think Terrence has more chill
than me. I would agree.
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To that. So it's a good balance.
Yeah, I would. I would have.
To agree to that, I think Terrence is very laid back but
very motivated and very, I see that and Terrence said I could
see him being like the best adventure dad either either out
of purely just like here's 20 bucks, 2 cigarettes, make it
work. I don't want to see for 8 hours
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or I could just see him just like driving a van full of both
of your kids. Just like we're going to go see
this volcano. No, he's.
Yeah, not like that, but yeah, ait's nice when I can just sit
back and trust that he's got it and I don't have to worry or
think about all the crazy thingsthat I think about.
So it's a good dynamic. That's called trust.
Yeah, that. Is a huge.
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That is a fantastic dynamic. If you made it.
This far in the podcast. Thank you so much letting us
rants and rave about unequal shit for this episode.
Yeah, thanks for. Listening in, we're constantly
watching your feedback, so thanks for all the reviews that
you've left, all the DMS. Such a fun project for us still.
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Yeah, it's so fun. I love it.
I really do love it. I really enjoy this.
Yeah. And we really.
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We really appreciate all of it. So, Joyce, we'll see you later,
I guess. Yeah, bye.
Alright. Bye, Joyce.
Hi, Joyce. Hey Hon.
We're outside, yeah. We've got a totally different
studio set up today. It's really nice.
It was hot earlier but I like this.
Yeah, the shade makes a big difference.
Yeah, you have so many animals here and it's like very
distracting. The goats are very cute.
Feel like I'm learning new things about you that you don't
like birds. No, no it's not.
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They're just a little scary. Maybe I've been chased by
animals. Before you have.
You know, maybe Cute Animal Thursdays are just ways of me
trying to normalize being aroundanimals.
Well you never post about birds,so maybe.
Fuck birds. OK.
How has the past couple weeks been at Goodies?
You know, it's, it's that peak season.
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Yeah, it's been busy. We did a lot of events in the
last couple weeks in and out of store, so been definitely
feeling the grind. It's been awesome having
teammates at the shop holding itdown while we kind of handle
business out out of store. I'm really feeling that fleeting
nature of summer too, though, because we're now in July and
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I'm like, I don't know. Are we doing well enough?
I'm not sure, but we've definitely kept busy.
We've been active. I think I officially after the
first Thursday in the Pearl event.
I'm taking it pretty easy now. That was my last event till like
the baby comes in the last week.I definitely feel it like my
body is shifting. I am not feeling productive.
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I feel physically so exhausted and I'm totally OK with letting
that take over. I'm taking my naps and stuff.
That part's been a little challenging, but just trying to
go with it and ease into this, like different chapter.
I think I told you earlier too, it was crazy because this
Saturday Terrence and I had our first Saturday off together in
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over three years. Ever since we opened the shop,
it's just been us running the shop like six days a week.
But this Saturday our team open and closed and that felt so
good. It was like a totally different
feeling that we experienced and just really enjoying that piece
a lot. Nice.
But yeah, that's kind of been mylast couple weeks.
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It sounds like you're able to, like you're setting everything
up to step away 'cause you're gonna be very busy with the
baby. Yeah, for sure.
I think at this point in our business too, we were hoping by
our third year, we would be in aplace where we could do this.
But of course, with the baby coming, that kind of speed
things forward too and got us toreally get ahead of all of that.
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And yeah, we feel really good about it.
Our team's been on boarded for over 2 months now.
And yeah, everyone's super primed and ready and that feels
really good and we feel really empowered.
But yeah, it's time. Yeah, it's time.
Yeah, it's cool. Yeah.
It's so hard to have like so many moving pieces and then on
top of that, like, oh, we're going to have a baby.
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You know. Yeah, I've, I've generally
imagine, I mean, I don't, I kindof know first hand, but I, I
feel like all the shifts and changes, it's like this
immovable force to have to make these adjustments, right.
Like you physically can't work, you're going to be tired.
And I don't know, I think you'rehandling it really well, to be
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honest with you. Thanks.
Yeah, I had no idea what to expect.
I kept asking everyone around me, especially other small
business owners who have gone through this, like, motherhood
journey while running a business.
I'm like, when am I supposed to,like, actually stop working?
I didn't really feel a need for the longest time.
I was like, everything feels so normal.
I really want to change my day-to-day.
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But some people are like, hey, if you feel good, you can work
up until the day you go into labor or whatever.
But yeah, I think it's, it's been an interesting exercise in
listening to my body and not always pushing through, whereas
that's usually what I do. But with this new factor of
like, you know, it's not just me.
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There's like a little guy in me depending on me feeling healthy.
So just listening to the cues ofmy body and while still staying
active. But yeah, everyone tells me that
there's no perfect time. And especially when you're
running a small business. For us, like one of our biggest
fears when we first opened was getting sick at the same time
'cause it was just us too. And especially if we had COVID,
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then we would have to close. And that was pretty terrifying
to do. Obviously, this is kind of a
different situation, but it's definitely pushed us forward to
just really get the business into a place where it can still
function and run smoothly. And I don't know, it's
interesting when you add a different challenge or
responsibility to your life, like you kind of just have to
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rise to the occasion or not so. Especially in this situation.
I always imagine though, especially with you personally,
Joyce, that like when you told me, Oh yeah, we're expecting a
baby, the first thing I thought I was like, oh, she's going to
work all the way, probably clutching A handgun and a phone
on the way to the hospital talking about I have can't take
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this call, right? Like you'll still take the call,
but be like, I can't take the call.
I'm going into labor by 'cause Ilike, I and I think that's a
real testament to like the grit that you have for your business
and the things that you care about and the people that you
care about. So I think that's really cool,
'cause you're fucking doing it. And it's so crazy.
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I just, yeah. And I, I don't know, I feel like
across the board, women that have small businesses that are
expecting, like, I kind of find the same thing.
Like all of them are like, Oh yeah, I, I feel fine.
Like we're good here, you know, like, and they just really
persevere. So like big ups to you and every
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other mom aspect of the mom and pop shops out there 'cause
that's not easy. I have more respect for women
than I ever have. I have so much faith in what
we're capable of, especially like, yeah, just experiencing it
and also seeing it. I think part of that too is
just, I think there is this ideathat pregnancy is a limiting
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factor or it can be or whatever.But I think in reality, a lot of
people just kind of crush it. They just.
Yeah, I, no, I, I totally agree.I don't, you know, it's funny,
like when when around the time we announced that Harlow was on
the way, right? We had, I had so many people be
like, oh damn, yeah. Yeah, we're good.
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We're good here. Like this was completely
intended and then when it come came to like it's always in a
negative light, like you guys are handicapped in some way
because you have a child coming.But really it's I I personally
think the adaptability makes youso much stronger.
I agree, I don't think we shouldbe underestimating people and
honestly even between me and Terrance too, we're just like,
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we got this. I know it's going to be hard,
but what's new? Yeah, exactly.
What's new in the fact of in thesmall business world, like
throwing a kid on top of it, throwing a little credit card
debt. You'll be fine.
You know, we're just going to walk.
We can still walk, you know, still lift.
Shit. Speaking of lifting, I want to
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give a big shout out to Jinju Patisserie winning a James Beard
award. I think putting us on the map is
huge, but I have a very jilted view of the awards that come
with food and stuff like that because it's always, and this is
just in my brain and I'm just going to give a big fuck you to
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all the white chefs out there that are like, oh, I smoked all
this crack and then I found God or I found rehab.
And then thank you for the JamesBeard Award.
It's like, let's stop rewarding those dudes.
Like I look at Jinji. I'm like, hell yeah.
Two Korean women with making fire pastries Put Portland, OR
on the map. Yes.
That's amazing. That felt like a huge win.
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I was so happy to see the celebration around that too, and
the community showing up. But yeah, really, really proud
of that one. Yeah, no, I like they man,
seriously, big, big shout out tothat.
And again, to come back to that whole thing like, you know, like
a lot of the, a lot of the awardspaces don't to me don't feel
very real. To me.
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Because it's like it doesn't apply to me, you know, because
I'm like, oh, I'll never win a beer award.
I'll never get these awards or these accolades.
So I think I shift it, you know,in my brain to be like, oh,
well, if I'm not going to win the award anyways, I'm just
going to just be me. I'm just going to do my thing
and do the best to my abilities and do the best that I can
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without the expectation of winning award or putting those
pressures on me. I think I've said this before,
like more in a more negative light.
Like if I'm going to get the handcuffs put on me, I'm a
fucking speak my mind. I'm going to go to jail.
I'm going to fucking go to jail.But it also works on the other
way for me. In my brain.
I know it sounds weird, but if I'm going to be positive about
something or if I'm not going tobe able to get an award, I'm
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going to go for it anyways. I'm going to go as if I am going
to do it, Yeah. Yeah, but what award or not,
you're still a winner. You still.
Win you. Still win, you win at it.
So I, I don't know, I it's also kind of a mindset too.
Maybe the awards arena is not something you're even interested
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in, are you? No.
Yeah. Maybe that's why we.
Feel, well, it's just what it is.
Is that to be awarded for makinggood food?
It's like what? I just feel like it's so tainted
because it's always impressing somebody else that's in a space
that is unattainable. Yeah, it's always a lot of
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people, it's like not everybody can afford to go eat at these
fucking places. So are you getting a real look
or any looks on your food? And a lot of times it's, it just
doesn't. Like that's the thing about
Jinju is that they were so accessible.
They're. Yeah, yeah, You know, they're a
pastry shop and anybody can walkin the doors, grab what they
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need. You don't need to do a
reservation. You don't have to be in some
weird lottery systems to get these awards.
That award to them is way biggerthan any award.
Yeah, it's such an to anybody else because, you know, they
made it accessible too to everybody.
And on top of that, they're suchhumble people, despite how
talented they are and like how hard they work on their craft.
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But I mean, I think the awards world too.
Yeah. It's, it really depends on like
what your goals are and the typeof thing you're going for.
But I can totally understand where you're coming from on
that. Yeah.
So I mean like recognition, I think I just have conditioned
myself to the point to get recognition elsewhere.
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Yeah, yeah. And I think that's really
important to just, I think eventually with when you have a
small business, you will find the markers of what progression
is. Or you're like, it's like you
find your voice and it's like really adjusting the bars of
what success is, like somebody else's success.
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Like literally then people are like, you know, I've definitely
talked to chefs. There's like, yeah, I got
nominated for a beer and I'm just like, I couldn't give a
fuck less. But then there's on the other
end, there's people just like, you know, I raised enough money
and I get to pick and choose where I get to spend
thatmoneyfor.org that to me, I'mjust like, dude, that's awesome.
Yeah, I guess it's really different.
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I think in the spaces of, especially in the spaces of
food, like our podcast is a goodexample, a lot of people want to
know what it's like or want to be close to us and stuff like
that. I I just feel like a lot of
those awards will dehumanize thepeople and put certain people on
pedestals and make people very unapproachable.
And then it also reflects in thefood and it affects the brand,
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like it's unapproachable or it'sjust always there and it gets
annoying. That's fair.
I mean, I think this kind of touches on the topic of like
elitism and the untouchable, which I think both of us kind of
shy away from in many ways. Whereas the rawness and the
realness of who we are as peoplekind of like matters to us to
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show to like our people in our community maybe.
Yeah, maybe it does happen, but I don't see a lot of people that
win awards. Like really chase after
something to give back to a community, you know, like, how
do you amplify the voices? Or like, how do you give back
because you have so many eyes focused on you?
I mean, maybe, maybe you don't have to, I don't know.
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But like for me, like I know I'mnot ignorant to the hype that I
can garner and I'm, I'm not ignorant to like how far I've
taken the name. And so a lot of times when I do
help out at certain businesses or for somebody that I really
like, you know, like I'll use that my voice to try to amplify
theirs or like I try to bring them up as well.
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Like, oh, if you like my food, you should try this food.
Yes. And I get so much more out of
that than to just try to grind. Like, you know, it makes the
grind worth it. I said this to a friend of mine
a while ago. They were asking me like, I
don't understand why you're helping me so much, but I really
appreciate it. And I was like, do you think me
falling down with Kim Jong Un for 11 years, I have to pass
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that knowledge on of all the wrong turns that I've made,
otherwise it doesn't make it worth the falling down.
Yeah, I think in that aspect, I,I think that's why I really try
to champion this, helping out the peers in the community.
And then that I think that's like really strengthens the
community for. Sure.
So you use that social capital that you have.
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Yeah, and you? Use it you like, spend it in in
the ways that you want to spend your money, right?
I mean, I always wonder though, if it's working, does it the
spending, the social capital, does it really help out?
I think so. Yeah.
I mean, I guess like long term impact, I'm not sure on specific
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things, but I think it says a lot when someone like roots for
someone else publicly. You're right.
Yeah, that's true. I think it.
Means a lot and especially as like people were very social
creatures like I, I think we depend on a lot of these social
cues to know who we should be looking at supporting or
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especially if we respect someoneand they're like vouching for
you. Those kinds of things impact me
personally. That's an.
Interesting ticket. I, I guess I try my hardest and
not think about it too much, like think too much about the
social credit that I have. I always in this like literally
anybody could be in my shoes andI do a lot of downplaying.
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I think that's a lot of the Korean in me, yeah.
But you know, a lot of people will be in your corner and
vouching for you too. And that comes with building
that you've built that over time.
So it's actually very valuable. I think social capital is very
valuable. It's not very tangible.
It's hard to measure, but maybe.The way to measure it is like if
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I really break the law and see who comes to bat for me.
Oh. Like Luigi?
Free Luigi dude can do no wrong.Not that.
He broke any laws, but yeah. That dude can't do any wrong.
But yeah, the people show up. Like in that case, for example,
that's a great example to look at.
But the way that people from allsides and spectrums were just
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going to bat for this person that they don't know, Yeah.
The well, I think it's because the relatability is very high,
yes. They stood for something.
Yeah, they. Stood for something.
And I think a lot of good peopleand leaders do stand for
something, and it's clear to thepeople who look to them.
So I don't know. I think those things matter.
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Yeah, I think. I think you're right.
Jesus Christ that goat is so cute.
She's the really cute one. She's.
Scratching on the. She's a little rent.
She got abandoned by her mom andhad to be bottle fed I'm.
Just I'm like, I'm sorry. It's so distracting.
It's so cute. You scratch that butt.
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OK. Yeah, I you're right.
Speaking of communities, like I heard this thing online,
somebody said competition happens at the lowest levels and
collaborations happen at the highest levels.
And I really like that quote because it's so true.
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Yeah, the company that I would like to thank, the company that
I've built using social credit and trying to be as fair as
possible is like really it it I,I think it's paid off in
dividends for me because like I'm, I feel like I'm constantly
collaborating with the people that I like.
If I can use my name to like make me money, then why can't we
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do it? Why can't we both do it to make
us money via a pop up or a dish or what have you?
Yes. It's easy to have that scarcity
mindset, especially coming from,I don't know, being children of
immigrants and being people of color where historically we have
been pitted against each other to create this false sense of
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competition. It's easy to have that scarcity
mindset and act in that way. But like it really breeds more
of that. I think it's.
I, I agree with you that it really does that scarcity
mindset this crazy. And I think it like, it also
bleeds into like the model minority because one of the
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things I, I've talked to some people about is like, if there's
a model minority, then what's the opposite?
There has to be something else to be compared to.
And is it like, why? Why is it always so?
Why are we so separated? Like right now?
Like with all the things going on politically, it's like, it's
very obvious that a lot of like Hispanic communities right now
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are getting targeted. And like I, I see the power of
collaboration between two different cultures that have so
many similarities, like the immigrant parents, the first
gens and stuff like that. You know, hence we have the
bulgogi Taco, you know, like things like that, like really,
really beautiful things come outof it.
And it's just a shame that there's something like looming
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over that's keeping it all separated.
And I think that's one of the things that we, I think you and
I both inherently like with our communities, like tried to just,
I mean, in we could be looked atin one way, like we just keep it
insular and it could be looked outwardly like we're building
our own army of people of the belief structures and stuff.
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Yeah. It's not that we're only
focusing on our like specific communities necessarily, but
that's what's authentic to us and makes sense.
It's not that we're necessarily excluding other people, but
yeah, like if one of our groups is being targeted, we're all
being targeted. That's so.
True. And having a strong sense of
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identity and community is still very important in my opinion,
whatever that means to you, right?
But. It's really hard.
I have a friend that on the gym in Vancouver and she asked me
this question which was like I use my online presence to be
loud and on political stances and stuff and I.
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Respect that I was. Like man, I so respect that and
I think I used to be the same way until I saw it directly
affect my business or I see it directly like I mean.
When I say directly affect my business to be very specific,
like to get hateful comments or to get and to have to like
really sit there and defend yourself online.
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It takes up so much energy. Yeah, it's.
Definitely a challenging territory on like the balance of
how much you speak up, I guess to which is hard because
inherently I feel like running abusiness, a small business is
political and agreed, a lot of our values are just baked into
the way that we run and build our business.
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They may not be as obvious or inyour face as like making a lot
of statements, but I always respect it when I do see it.
Yeah, because it's not easy. It's scary.
So. Scary it.
There's a lot of repercussions that can come with it, and we're
constantly reminded of these things.
It's my. Friend's credit, she does a lot
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with making sure that everybody feels inclusive in her space and
to really amplify that online with her political stances.
I think it's so respectful to me.
Like with food, it's really hard.
You know, it's really hard because I do have people that
really love my brand. You know, they almost noveltize
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it because they're like, oh, it's really cute.
Like somebody described me as ananarchist one time and I was
like, when have I ever said that?
And I think it's I just, I'm very envious that people can do
that without it really affectingthe business.
But I guess the end of argument is like, well, you don't want
that money anyways. You don't want, you don't want
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the smoke from those people anyways.
Yeah. It's, it's tricky.
I think generally in my world aslike a little, I don't know, in
the world of food and beverage, but like in the packaged goods
world, yeah, like I kind of stayin my lane too, for the most
part. When the conversations and
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current happenings that are happening in the industry, those
are things that I definitely do like to participate in, in terms
of conversations. Like David Chang is an asshole.
Totally. He loves.
To capitalize on Asian culture, but he doesn't actually have any
respect for it in the way that Isee how he runs his businesses
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and especially how he approachedit this one time.
I don't know if you remember, but he was trying to take and
trademark all the chili crisp. Oh, I remember.
Yeah. Anyway.
That was the moment when I was just like, OK, you've always
just kind of been an asshole, I feel like.
At the level that he's at, because I do remember this.
I remember when Trump went to office the first time, he had to
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make a statement where he was just like, my main investor
donated all this money to Trump's campaign.
And he's he really put it out there.
He's like, I'm begging you to not do this and that.
And at that moment, I was just like, oh, OK, so you have a
heart. But I started thinking about
being at that level that he's atwith his brands and everything
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else. Like you have so many moving
parts. And I'm not trying to sympathize
for David Chang, but I think a lot of times things get away
from him being through interpretation 'cause there's so
many people. Yes, it's.
Diluted, it's diluted. But at the same time it's then
what the fuck are you doing withyour time bro?
Like why don't you? Your face is still on it.
Man, your face is still on all. This shit your name is still on
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and you're putting me to. Shame.
As an Asian American, I'm like and and I forget, but he's
Korean. Yeah, we.
Actually grew up in the same town.
Oh, he did, Yeah. A lot of the places that he
talks about in his book I've been to.
And it's really weird because heactually went to the rival high
school. We actually have some mutual
friends, which is really wild because it's really wild because
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I came out like this and he cameout like that.
Like, what's the obvious? What was the obvious separation
there? What was the obvious thing?
Well, you clearly came from a different class than I did, but
you really kind of cosplayed Immigrant, yeah.
I didn't want this to drag on too much about that guy, but
yeah, honestly, that guy irks me.
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Yeah, it irks me too, because. Like he really does move like
the man, right? Like the the white dudes that we
always talk about that do fucking bad shit.
And like I know. And that's one of the things.
That, I think is like the hardest is that, you know, like
people sympathize. Well, just in general, you know,
like, how is it possible that there's white people out there
that do the same crime as somebody that's black and they
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don't get any time, you know? And it's like, I'm so sick of,
I'm just, I'm so fucking sick ofthe inequality of that.
And it bleeds into our businesses too.
It just baffles me. Like, how did you blow through
all your inheritance money? You sold a good product.
You still fucked it up and you still have a second, third, 4th,
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7th, 8th, 9th chance. Yeah, it's crazy.
I mean, we see it time and. Time again.
Yeah, it's it's. Crazy like, 'cause like I have
wondered, I'm like, dude, are there other dollar bills that
I'm not seeing? Is there denominations that I
don't know about or something like what am I just?
It's crazy. And it also comes down to a
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value point to me because then everything that I do is
devalued. Everything that I do is is in
comparison. It's hard when you're.
Not set up with the same building blocks.
Yeah I've said this before man, if I was a fucking white dude
with my Korean brain I would fucking be goddamn ruler of this
fucking earth. You know I would be like Genghis
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Khan 2 point OI would have takenover Russia by This is why they
keep us. Down OK, I swear to God it.
Really is. It's why they keep us separate
and. Do you like and?
Do you remember when? I don't know if you remember
this, but there's a woman out there that was like making
Chinese food and I think she even used specifics.
She's like, I'm making Szechuan cuisine but with like better
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ingredients but it's healthy. And it's that I'm like, do
bitch. Like.
First off, who the hell do you think you.
Are who do you think you? Are and I I see this a lot with
with packaged goods too. Oh, 100.
Percent. Are you kidding?
It's yes, it's it's a nightmare.I mean, I think I sent you a
bottle of a picture of a Korean fried chicken hot sauce Chimek,
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and it looked hella Korean. Everything on there was Korean
passing. And I did my research and yeah,
it was made by an Irish dude in Ireland.
Oh my God. And he has a Korean.
Fried chicken restaurant and I'mlike, oh, I think when you said.
That to me, I was so infuriated I blacked out.
Yeah, I. Yes, 'cause I don't think I said
much. About it.
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OK, let's just go ahead and justcover this right now.
I have to, I have to say, how dare you people fucking take my
like, this is where ownership really matters to me, where I'm
like, how are you doing that with that face?
And I'm grinding out here with my face.
But you get more press that I don't.
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I'm clearly healthier than you, better looking than you,
funnier. Fucking hilarious.
Yet your quiet, dumb, meek, thick glassed ass is making way
more money than me off my shit. Off my fucking.
Shit, that's insane. And I've talked to a lot of
people about this. It's specifically to Portland.
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Like Portland has had a lot of colonizers take different
cuisines that are like Asian, whatever Indian and then make it
their own and then make hella money, especially early
Portland. Early Portland.
Especially yeah. Yeah, I always.
Joke about Earl Ninsam, like himas a restaurateur.
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Like I always joke I'll wake up on a Tuesday and be like, damn
this motherfucker out in anotherrestaurant.
But honestly, it's not. It's not even in a hateful way.
It's just I literally am like, hell yeah, yeah.
Like, sweet, who's going to get the first Portland based
restaurant on the moon? It's going to be Earl, you know,
And I love that. I, I'm so sick of seeing, I
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think we had one restaurateur who is doing all this like
Spanish influence foods and stuff like that.
Made hell of money. Then when he got cancelled, it
was like a nuclear bomb went off.
Portland's kind of growing up a little cool.
All right, sweet. We're progressing finally.
Yeah, see, I'm not so in touch with a lot of the tea around
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town, but whenever I learn of it, it's always very
interesting. Yeah, 'cause in.
Your business with packaged goods, You, you vet a lot of
stuff for your store. Yeah, absolutely.
And that's kind of what's built in with me being in charge of,
you know, running my business and choosing the things.
But for me, some of those valuesand the reason that we opened
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the shop was that I felt like a lot of the things I wanted to
see out there weren't being represented.
And if they were, they weren't being represented by the right
people. There's so many little.
Bulba Pearl. Companies that are not even run
by Asians. I'm not saying everything needs
to be, but there's just some things that just don't make any
sense to me and it really just drives me nuts.
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I always do my research. I like to look if if it looks
Asian it better be Asian. Damn.
Joyce, that's fucking awesome. I would love to sit with you
like that would be a really goodepisode just to be like this
product, white or not, you know,like Korean or not.
Hey man, some. Of them have clear indicators
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that they are white and some of them pass so well that it scares
me. Dude, when you.
Said the Chimek sauce. I was like, what?
It was so cute too. And then I, I was just so angry,
but I had to communicate to the distributor who just kept trying
to get in in my store. I was like, hey man, I'm Korean
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and I'm offended. So did your distributor.
Like hear you when you said that, Yeah.
And. He's not necessarily my
distributor, but it was a new distributor that was trying to
get new product in. And I was like, hey, something
that matters to me is that if itlooks Asian, it's made by
Asians, OK? So it's cute.
Thank you, but not for me. They're like, OK, got it.
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But yeah, I mean, not that I'm like making big changes to the
industry by doing this, but like, those voices matter.
And This is why I feel like being in my position, those
things matter to me to speak up about.
I I disagree. I think you're making a huge
difference. I think it's a huge difference
because I think upon getting a small business, being becoming a
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small business, you low key become the authority of what
you're making, what you're doing, and you have the
decisions. Like you could easily sell out
and sell like all the stuff thatthat is hidden amongst white
people. Or you could do what you're
doing, the position that you're in.
You know, you should really. I think it's way more than you
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think It's that's the. Least I can control.
So it it matters to me and I know it matters to my customers
too. So yeah, that's that's a real
thing. But hey, I I remember this one
time I someone I grew up with his mom.
She's super sweet woman, but shegave me a cookbook and she's
like, it's one of my favorite Chinese cookbooks.
And I honestly never opened it up until like pretty recently.
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I was with Terrence and I openedit and I started reading the
recipes. They had some funny ass like
recipe names like emerald green fire breathing dragon noodle
soup. What was it?
Good. So it's like, that's kind of
weird. I looked at all the recipes.
They all had silly names like that.
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So I dive deeper into this book and I'm like, who the hell wrote
this book? It's just like hippie white
lady. And she's like, because the
Chinese really love using these kind of ingredients, I've opted
for a healthier option. I was like, oh hell no.
Oh my God. What the hell?
And this is when I learned of the term Orientalist.
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What does that mean? Dude, it's.
White people who are obsessed for the lack of a better word,
like they are very fascinated bythe Orient and to be educated in
in the culture and by a lot of things to adorn their home.
They like the Asian aesthetic, basically that's.
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An orientalist. Yeah.
Yeah, that sounds like almost like a racial slur.
I mean, I knew they. Existed, but I met some.
So like when I when my mom was like sick and like we were
downsizing her home, we were like, we had an estate sale,
sold a bunch of her stuff and itwas crazy just opening up our
doors to all these people. But yeah, this couple, older
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couple came in, very nice car, very nicely dressed, immediately
came in. We're just like in love with
everything in the home. They bought a bunch of stuff and
the comment that will always stay with me, I had like a pen
in my hair holding my hair up orsomething.
She's like, oh, I love the chopsticks in your hair.
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It's very ethnic. It's like, what the hell?
What the hell? Talks like.
This, but those people are probably Orientalist.
I'm, I feel like I'm getting offtrack.
But yeah, there's this this strange feeling that I get when
people say I want it to be healthier or it has MSG in it.
Oh my God. That kind of.
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Stuff drives me nuts because it's like, OK, here in American
culture we what's super normal boxed macaroni.
We love spaghetti noodles and pasta sauce and that's super
normal. But like you look at instant
noodles and people are like, oh,that's, that's not good for you.
It's literally the same thing. It's the same shit.
It's convenience. It's funny, that's actually
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something I say a lot in the store.
When people look at some of the dried noodles that we carry,
they're like, oh, is this good? Good.
I'm like, yeah, it's just like your pasta noodles you have in
your pantry. It's just great staple to have
easy 5 minute meal, same thing. Oh damn, you're a good.
Just a different. Sauce, yeah, but yeah, this,
this fear of Asian foods not being healthy or being cheap or
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MSG being bad. It's like, dude, do you even
know what you're talking about? No, no, it's.
A lot of hearsay and it's racist.
It's super. Fucking racist.
This is a fact that I know the biggest consumers of MSG
worldwide is actually America because of the Cheetos, chips,
Doritos phenomenon. Everything's got MSG in it.
So going by that logic, like half you motherfuckers should be
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dead by now. And then the other aspect of
just cheaper or healthier or whatever.
It's like a little little secret.
Maybe most people know like whenyou come to my cart and you have
you get just just a rice plate or if you get a Beeban box,
which is our best seller, right?I deceivingly make you eat so
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many more fucking vegetables than anybody else.
And I think that is a big testament to the power of MSG to
be honest with you, You know, like, why is it so delicious?
Well, that's why that's the hack.
And like I've seen people there.I have them die hard customers
that have that eat a lot of my food and I'm like, wow, you're
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not dead. You're not like having to like
have a wheel for a foot 'cause you're dying of diabetes.
You know what I mean? I mean, you're right.
It takes way more ingredients tomake our food.
And just speaking for like, because I grew up with a Korean
mom, if you've ever looked in a Korean mom's fridge, do you know
how many things it takes to makeso much?
Any single. One meal or punch hand or
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anything, it takes so many different ingredients that you
are not going to find Yeah in a grocery store.
It's to the. Point where even our own people
in Korea are like bro I am not like our generation.
Like dude, I'm not making kimchi.
Oh my God, it's like 19 hours, you know, just I'll that's the
first half time it takes. A lot of ingredients, and I'm
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talking like spices, herbs, fresh ingredients.
You know, it's not like the simple American food that we eat
out of a box or a can. Oh, by the way, something I find
very interesting, though, now oftoday, like, how convenient a
lot of these things have gotten,though.
I was introduced to these soup packets with merchy, like the
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anchovies. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seaweed. You just put.
It in your soup for the sock base.
I'm like, that is so genius because otherwise it's just in
the freezer, just unmarked all these mystery ingredients that
you have to use with packaged. Foods too now.
Like I had a friend growing up who's Korean, worked at a video
game company and whenever they go to 711, he would just be so
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bummed. Be like, they go to 711 and he'd
be like, y'all have like two types of chips.
He doesn't need shit. You got 2 flavors, corn or
potato. And then you look at the drink
section, it'd be like really Coke or Sprite.
Like that's so weak 'cause if you look like we, like Asians
are the kings of convenience andfood and preference and.
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Preference. It's like we'll find the weirdos
that would only eat certain things and then really
capitalize on it. But you're right.
Like I think there's so many, like there's just so much
ignorance to the point where I often wonder, like, are we just
keeping it this way? Is there somebody who's holding
it down? Because I'll say like to the to
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the Orientalism thing. A lot of those folks.
I'm not trying to defend them, but a lot of those folks didn't
have avenues like the fascination was tipped because
it was like fetishized. Whereas.
Now it's like there's a very, very, very specific way that
it's OK to be very interested inAsian culture.
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It's like First off boba, you know, you bet you got to go
through your boba phase. You have to have known about
boba by watching certain animes if you're not in a Ruto one
piece exposure. Therapy there's.
Certain there's just an Ave. youhave to go to 'cause there's
certain people that I'll look at.
I'm just like, yeah, you get thepass.
You get the pass to like, yeah, you can, you can totally hang
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that sword in your house. Like, you're a Naruto fan, you
know, you watch hella anime, youread more manga than you could
you could like faster than you purchase, you know, Oh, and and
you eat enough noodles to keep goodies in business.
OK, yeah, play on player. But the orientalism that old
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school is, it is so cringy. Yeah, it's.
Definitely really interesting. Yeah, I I don't know if I told.
You this, but there's a the veryparticular antique store that I
go to and it's in like Eastern Washington.
I'm not gonna give it away because it is.
It's your spot. It's my.
Spot I love. Going in there but I didn't
really liked antiques. OK, so.
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Honestly, I like buying. I like buying old spoons.
Oh my God, you have. A spoon fetish too?
Oh, it's a chef thing. Yes, I.
Do it's a totally chef thing youuse them, but I.
Use them I Use them I. Like I'll like, I love finding
like old school, like silver spoons and stuff like that, like
really cool odd shapes. Anyways.
But I remember the first time I went there and I was like, oh,
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this is so cool. And I they have a basement.
They're like more stuff in the basement.
I went to the basement and it isjust littered with Asian doors,
like antique Asian doors, thingsfrom the 1800s like African
bread making baskets and stuff like that.
And I was like, wow. And the first thing in my brain
was like, I just pictured somebody in like Thailand
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walking out of their village being like, who the fuck stole
our doors again? Where the fuck is my family's
Buddha? Where do these come from?
It's out here. In Eastern Washington for oh
shit. 'Cause I I I.
Wonder like where? Where's like?
I hope you all paid for this 'cause it'll have the price tag
that you're putting on now. Like all under the guise of
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antiques and Orientalism. Weird.
I know it's really weird but. Now that I said it, Joyce, when
you go to certain antique shops,you're gonna see it.
You're gonna be like, oh, is this OK?
Is this OK for you to? Have cause at a certain point,
you know, like you look at certain things, you're like, I
don't think you should be havingthis thing that has a Nazi
symbol on it. Furthermore, that's a lot of
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money you're asking for, for that.
But when you apply it to like a lot of like Asian stuff and like
antique, like Asian, like ornamental stuff, like, it
really stands out. Like it's like now that I've
mentioned it, like, you'll see, yeah.
Interesting. Yeah, I said.
Like cute. Buddhas like little marble
trinkets and Knick knacks and stuff like that.
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Like where'd you get that? How did you get an officer's
sword? A Japanese officer's sword?
How did? You get that?
Bro, you know, it's interesting.It's infuriating to me.
I can't Unsee it. Ever since I said that, like
just picturing that poor Asian person like so and so our door
again, so and so, our Buddha that was in the family for like
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over 3000 years. I know the Orientalism is real,
but now I know what it's called.Yeah, you should look it up.
It's interesting. I'm going to now.
I'm going to now. It's like, I get the
fascination, but being on this end of it, it does get like
insulting now. It's weird.
It's so weird. Yeah, I mean.
They like our food, they like our aesthetics, but they they
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don't want to pay a fair price. That's crazy.
No, it's not supposed to be. Cheaper are you?
Are you kidding me? Why is it supposed to be cheaper
and it's not unhealthy? And also.
The way that Americans also understand a lot of the majority
of ethnic foods is very limited in scope because we have to
simplify things for the Americanmarket, Yeah.
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Yeah, that's very true, man. That was like the hardest thing
for me in the early years of KimJong Un Was like, all right,
who's gonna fucking eat this? You know, like, what's my
shtick? What's my angle that I can sell
this? Like there's meats on bones.
There's a lot of fermented shit I'm trying to pass off.
And like, I honestly, I had thisconversation with myself so much
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that I really did fall into the role of the educator.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, And like, just like,
you have to, you know, like that.
I think that's like a fantastic thing to say.
Like, oh, just like you got a $0.99 of pasta in your.
That's that's what we have at our house, except it's ramen.
Yes, same. Thing.
Same same. But different.
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So have you thought about what goodies looks like with the
third business partner being your kid?
I'm sure the. Equation changes a little bit in
the beginning there. It's funny because it's kind of
like we've got a shop dog. Terrence and I work together,
we're together 24/7. So this is kind of our
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lifestyle. And so the baby has to fit into
our world. And I don't think the dynamics
necessarily gonna change too much.
The baby's just gonna be there with us.
People are like, have you guys thought about child care?
And I was like, hell no. How am I supposed to afford
child? Oh hell no, you can't afford
child. Care or whatever.
No, that's not something that has even crossed my mind.
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I'm like, no, the baby's gonna be with us.
This is why it works. We're together.
We are building this together. A baby is gonna be there.
There's nothing wrong with that.Oh no, there's everything.
Right, with that, it's just I'm interested, I'm very interested
in seeing how good he's is goingto change.
Yeah, some obvious. Things I guess would be having
little new life force is gonna challenge us more to continue
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building and doing things betterand being more efficient, but
also learning to take time to bea family.
All we know is the grind of being, you know, at work all the
time. So I know that aspect's
definitely true. I have a few.
Predictions, OK. OK, first.
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I think everything aestheticallyat goodies over the years, your
shelves and stuff are going to get either deeper or taller, so
they. Can't touch everything but I
think. You're going to utilize that
backspace to the point of possibly thinking about opening
a daycare. Because you're gonna have.
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This kid with you all the time and I'm so stoked for you.
I am so stoked. For you, 'cause like, because I
went through, Oh yeah, drop yourkids off.
Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be the new hustle.
I thought about this on the way over here because like, when you
see my daughter, when you see Harlow, you're like, oh, damn,
she's so chill. You know, I'm like, no, I had to
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make her chill. I need my flowers.
I need you guys to give me mad respect because it wasn't easy
and I've never known the depths of tired.
I've never known the depths of tired until she came around, I'm
sure. But.
I think that is. The secret to building an
awesome human being is to bring them with you everywhere.
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I don't think it's not for everybody, but in my situation
with Harlow, it's to the point now where and she's like, oh,
you got a lot of prep today. I'm like, you know what I do?
I got extra hands. I'm like, fuck, yeah, let's go.
And it's really cool because I know there's a generation around
our age where, like, the kids had to work in the restaurants
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and they were forced to do it. But I think over the years,
because there's that whole generation, we've also evolved
to the point like, oh, we can make this hella fun.
You know, like, like maybe algebra is not Harlow's greatest
things. Can she do hella fractions and
can she, does she know her like,pints a gallon to quarts a cup
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ratios. Absolutely.
You know, that's that, Yeah. That's applicable, yeah.
It's. It's cool.
I'm, I'm very excited. I'm so excited for you to see,
like, how that's going to be andlike, yeah, Terrance tries.
To remind me that kids become helpful at a certain age.
And it's just funny because it just never crossed my mind in
that way. I've always thought about it the
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other way. I'm like, oh, I got to take care
of them. I've got to always think about
them. I got to feed another mouth.
We're just going to be making. Way more meal prep than ever
before. This is where my head's at.
But then, yeah, people are like,Oh yeah, my kids bring me food.
They shove it in my mouth. I'm like, that's really cute.
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But yeah, it's a whole new adventure.
I'm excited to see what that's going to look like.
But yeah, I don't know. It's.
It's interesting. Yeah, I think.
'Cause Harlow, when she was born, I didn't open Kim Jong Un
yet. And when she was like 2, I was
never ashamed to take her placeslike restaurants.
I was never scared if she cries or she gets loud, like I'd be
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like, yo, babies cry and all that socializing like really
paid off. I think also though, like the
downside is you have to get really creative on like the
things that we can do that don'tinvolve money, that don't like
that we bond without the work aspect of it because then it
just gets awkward. So it's a, it's a huge balancing
act. But I have no regrets on how
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amazing she's like fit into my life being a small business
owner. And like, you know, I give her
mom like mad props too, because,you know, she really injected
her with a lot of patience as well for like, you know, you're
not going to see dad for some nights or what have you.
So there's a, there's a lot to be, there's a lot of like really
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fucking cool things. I think there's way more cool
things to have a small business than have a kid than there are
like negative for sure. And.
Honestly, seeing your example ofhow that's working out too is
very inspiring. Thanks.
Yeah. We want our kid to be as
socialized as we are. We want them to experience life
to the fullest. We feel really lucky because
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they get to grow up with the community that we love and that
we build. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And people who are around us, like, I feel really lucky having
people as my friends, but like them now looking forward to
meeting our kid and being part of their life, that that part's
been just mind blowing to me to even imagine.
Like, wow, they get to grow up with so much love and support,
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and they get to live in our world as well.
Yeah. And this is like.
Also, being kids of immigrants like this is the opportunity
that you asked for to break generational trauma and
generational things. It's so different.
It's. So different and.
I think the old school way of doing it, but I've heard people
will be like, Oh well, you have it so easy.
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You know, I'll never say that toHarlow.
Yeah. Yeah, exactly you.
Know I'm just like yo. Like it was difficult when I was
doing this and this is how it relates to you now and
definitely, you know, to. Really.
Break those. Generational curses is it feels
good, Yeah, it's kind of a. Gift It is a gift.
I look back on how we were raised and it's world's
different and I'm excited for this opportunity to make it a
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really positive experience. And we feel lucky too, because
we get to do it in the way that we want to.
Of course it's going to be hard,all of it's hard, but we're just
excited to build a positive environment and have fun while
we're doing it and be parents that are actually in love with
each other. So those things are really
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exciting because it's so different.
So different than what we grew up with too.
So it's funny because. There are times where I look at
Harlow and I'm like, I know whatshe's going through and it's so
relatable that it's almost, it'sjust so laughable.
There's times I'm just like, I don't like you have to be the
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bearer of bad news, dude. I'm sorry, man.
White's going to White or there are other times I'm just like,
man, you want to get a cigaretteor something?
All right, All right. You know, like, it's too far.
But I yeah, just it. It is an amazing feeling to have
a small business and to have a kid growing up with it.
And like, I will tell you right now, like the unbelievable
pressure of keeping your small business alive for your child.
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Are you kidding me? So grand.
Too. So like, you know, be easy on
yourself on that part too. It's definitely.
Already here, I mean, even even before the kid too.
Now we have, you know, staff andwe gotta make sure that they're
getting paid. And yeah, the pressure's
definitely on. And that's a very real reality
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all the time. But that's also.
Now knowing like the history of how good he's came to be, you
know, like you should really patyourself on the bat.
That's so much progress that you've that you have.
You know what I mean? It's so much it doesn't feel
like it, but when you look back and when you take the time to
look back, it's really importantto do that I think is to look
back and be like, oh cool. Like I look back.
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I'm like I even the small things.
I use rice as a measure for Kim Jong Carlin.
I'm like, I used to buy one bag of 150 LB bag of rice for a week
and now I'm like, damn, I have to buy you again like 4 times a
week. That's true.
There are, yes. There are those indicators that
remind me of the movement and the growth, man.
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Sometimes it just doesn't feel like it's enough.
No it. Doesn't it doesn't.
And I think, yeah, I don't know what it's like to be abundant.
You know, like with with business, I don't know what that
feels like. And I think the closest thing
was like recently, because my business shifted so much when we
moved back to Southeast, where I've almost touched the
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abundance, you know, and but youknow, like I got to keep it
reeling in the street and feel like a struggle.
I have to, you know, like I don't know how it's to be.
I know, but you got to embrace. It Oh yeah, I know.
I totally. Embrace it.
Like. Yeah, I totally embrace it.
It's cool. I I have to remind myself to be
easy on myself. And you know, I encourage you to
(52:02):
do that too, especially with with the little 1 coming around.
Yeah, I can't wait to spoil yourkids.
I. Can't wait to be like.
Hey, you want a knife? Yes, don't tell Baby's First
Grill. Baby's first gold.
Tooth, you know, Oh, oh, I can'twait.
Oh my God, that's so funny. Yeah, it's cool.
I got. I I try to push that on Harlow
all the time. She's so different.
(52:24):
Yeah. And that's why I'm like, yo, do
you want, do you want like a little three piece gold?
Do you want like a chain? And she'll just be like, God, no
Dad, someone cool, you know, like.
That's the other thing. Too is I have to realize like
I'm very uncool in certain aspects, you know?
I mean, no matter how cool you are, we're still going to be
cringe to our kids. That's a weird.
(52:46):
Reality. Yeah.
Think of. Which I'm stoked because.
Like I look at her and she's like, uh, God, stop scrolling
down. Read something you know, or
like. She'll be like tattoos.
It's pretty funny, yeah. It's trippy though as.
Of today we're I know this is not a real number, but ten days
out from our due date, 10 days. Any day now.
(53:08):
Whoa. And yeah, the uncertainty of
when that's gonna happen is the hardest part of like,
everything's kind of in flux, Yeah, but, well.
That's life. I can feel.
The anticipated energy coming from you, are you at the point
of like just fucking come out already or are you it's?
Not to that point yet necessarily, but yes, in the
(53:31):
last week, things have shifted. I'm like, I feel extremely
rotund and like things are really tight in there.
He's uncomfortable. I'm uncomfortable.
I've been really lucky. Majority of my pregnancy's been
pretty like wonderful, comfortable, fun.
Like life hadn't changed too much.
I was just kind of still doing my thing.
But yeah, in the last week a lotand a lot of people told me
(53:54):
towards the end you're going to want him out.
And I'm like, well, I'm down forhim to come out, but I want him
to come out on a good day. Oh.
Joyce, this is something you have no control over.
No, exactly. No control.
The part of like surrendering I,it just needs to happen.
But I'm like, hey, it would be nice if you were born on the
full moon, like on the 10th. Yeah, No, dude, you can.
Go ahead and just scrap that right now.
(54:15):
The other day we. Were coming back from a dinner
and I started feeling like thesecontractions and I was like Oh
no, not, not today, not today, just not today.
But I said that on the 4th of July I was like better not come
on 4th of July. But it's pretty funny.
But yeah, I mean. Like I'm ready.
I'm I'm kind of ready for him tojust do his thing now.
I would like for it to just happen naturally.
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It's gonna happen whether I knowready or.
Not. It's funny.
'Cause yeah, like the positions that we're both in, when there's
like something that's uncertain,I can feel it.
I can feel it on people. I think the closest thing I
contribute to is like getting caught.
If you're in trouble for something, you're just like
waiting, you know? When are the cops going to?
Get When are the cops supposed? To do the door, like, when is,
(54:56):
you know, when am I going to getcaught in this?
And it's just. It's funny because I see it on
you. Yeah, I mean we.
I'm done with the big events, but I still have two big events
coming up this month that I'm anticipating and I just need to
be at peace with. Everything's going to be fine
without me. Yeah.
(55:17):
But yeah, I'm a control. Phrase see you just gripping
your phone. In one hand and a gun in the
other. Just like fucking not today.
Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, I'm, I'm learning.
I'm learning to surrender because this is literally that.
That's that's what we're doing. I think I learned.
Something a little bit about youjust now, Joyce.
Like how opposite we are becauseI thrive in absolute chaos when
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everything's falling apart. Like my voice will get lower.
That's true, you do. Yeah, like my voice will get
lower. And be like, oh, OK, all right,
everything's on fire, exploding,people yelling at me.
I I thrive in that environment. It's so wild.
But I don't think, I don't thinkyou do.
I think you have to have, you know, do you hold?
On to it. The toxic side.
Of me though, like in in the producer role though, I am used
(56:02):
to shit going chaotic and being the calm one and making things
happen. But yes in my life I like to
plan, I like to calculate, I like to be ready.
I like to have control as much as I can.
But yeah, this is the art of letting go.
What is that? Do you?
(56:22):
Think, do you think that's something that's very maybe,
maybe I'm looking too deep into it, I don't know, Maybe it's a
trauma. Response.
Maybe it's astrological. I'm a Virgo, so you know, I'm
very anal. Yeah.
Don't bring space. Racism to this podcast, please.
This is This is neither the timenor the place, but.
No, I I'm very specific. I don't know, maybe I'm
(56:46):
neurodivergent. I.
Think no, I think it's I think it's fucking cool, man.
Like, I don't know, just from owning small business, like I
make lists and stuff like that. But then like, it's like when
the check marks don't go away fast stuff, I'm like, all right,
we're just going to fucking freeball this.
Let's go, all right, fuck it, you go there.
We'll do this here. Like turn that shit on, you
(57:07):
know, don't burn that. Yeah.
And then somehow at the end, I'djust like, I'd come out the
other side and I'm just like, oh, huh, Was as bad as I thought
it was, you know? I know I'm incredibly.
Lucky. I think maybe it's calculated
chaos that I'm very good at, yeah.
I I just have zero chill. I think Terrence has more chill
than me. I would agree.
(57:27):
To that. So it's a good balance.
Yeah, I would. I would have.
To agree to that, I think Terrence is very laid back but
very motivated and very, I see that and Terrence said I could
see him being like the best adventure dad either either out
of purely just like here's 20 bucks, 2 cigarettes, make it
work. I don't want to see for 8 hours
(57:47):
or I could just see him just like driving a van full of both
of your kids. Just like we're going to go see
this volcano. No, he's.
Yeah, not like that, but yeah, ait's nice when I can just sit
back and trust that he's got it and I don't have to worry or
think about all the crazy thingsthat I think about.
So it's a good dynamic. That's called trust.
Yeah, that. Is a huge.
(58:07):
That is a fantastic dynamic. If you made it.
This far in the podcast. Thank you so much letting us
rants and rave about unequal shit for this episode.
Yeah, thanks for. Listening in, we're constantly
watching your feedback, so thanks for all the reviews that
you've left, all the DMS. Such a fun project for us still.
(58:30):
Yeah, it's so fun. I love it.
I really do love it. I really enjoy this.
Yeah. And we really.
Want to keep it consistent even with all the changes that are
happening. So we'll do our best to continue
recording on a regular schedule.Yeah.
And you know what? Please interact with us via
feedback, website, reviews. I'm sorry, not website, but
feedback, comments, reviews, please, please, please.
(58:53):
We really appreciate all of it. So, Joyce, we'll see you later,
I guess. Yeah, bye.
Alright. Bye, Joyce.
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