Five-Star Lives, One-Star Reviews

Joyce and Han catch up on life with kids in the shop, a tiny new apartment, and the daily math of staying open. They talk neighbors becoming “chosen coworkers,” the reality of bad leases, and why reviews can sting even when the work is good. Then it swerves into culture: influencers, the matcha boom, and how trends shape taste. Warm, candid, and very Portland.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Hey, Joyce. Hey Hon, what's up?
Not much how you been? Been pretty good.
How's baby land? Oh my goodness.
Taiko Land. It is everything.
He's starting to smile and COO. Yes and yeah.
He's just showing a lot of personality nowadays and it's
just the beginning and you know,it's crazy.

(00:20):
So I've had the opportunity to hold a few babies.
I'm going to say holding Taiko 10 out of 10.
Highly like highly highly recommend holding Taiko.
A lot of character I personally strong too.
Yeah, he's really strong. Yeah.
He's like 95th percentile in length.
What? Yeah, it's that.
That's a weird stat, but yeah. Yeah, no, it's Harlow is always

(00:41):
in like the 97th percentile of height and length, which is
pretty hilarious. Amazing because now she's like
hella tall, which is great. Both our kids are here, which is
a fun thing to say. Yes, we both have kids here at
the. Podcast Family Affair.
Family affair. What's going on with you and
how's Goody's doing? How's it been this past week?

(01:02):
This past week, in the past week, I had a birthday.
I turned. Yeah, that's right.
Happy birthday. Thanks.
I turned 35, which I guess is a pretty significant age.
What it's not. No, I I didn't know you turned
35. Oh yeah, yeah, I did.
I. Thought you were younger than
that. Oh, really?
I thought you were like 32. Oh, thanks.
Oh, sick. OK.

(01:24):
Yeah, it's I definitely don't feel 35.
I still feel like, I don't know,I feel like a child in many
ways. But now that I have a kid, I'm
like, OK, I'm an adult. Yeah, that that feels weird.
It feels weird but yeah, I'm definitely not a kid anymore.
That's weird. Like I was watching Transformers

(01:45):
in GI Joe and you weren't born yet.
And then by the time you were born, I was already, Oh my God.
What you're like, what you're. It's it's, it's my new detail.
We don't have to get into how old I am.
OK, I know. But it's it's crazy.
It's crazy. Yes, time flies.
Time is an interesting concept, but yes, had a birthday.

(02:07):
We had a really fun night with the community here.
We were just celebrating our three-year anniversary, so we
had a watch party of K Pop demonhunters.
Oh hell yeah. Nice.
So super wholesome people came, hung out and personally, we've
also been in the middle of a move.
So we found a really cute small,tiny apartment and we're just

(02:31):
really excited. That's gonna be in the beginning
of this month and it's super stressful but also very exciting
because we're just excited to have like a walkable lifestyle
for the first time together in along.
Time. And yeah, especially with the
baby, that's like a dream. I'm just like fantasizing about
all the things we'll do so. That's great.
I mean, cherish it. Well, I mean, you kind of don't

(02:53):
have to because it's going to beone way or another.
It's going to be just like embedded in your brain, you
know, which is fucking awesome. Like, not a lot of people get to
enjoy that and experience it, you know?
Yeah. We just hope to continue to be
able to do that. But.
Yeah, what's what's new in your world or what's happened in?
The last what's happened in my world, Not much, man.

(03:15):
The grind never stops with the food cart.
I feel like we hit this bump in the road where it was like slow
because it was back to school and then it kind of came back up
and then it's kind of plateauingagain.
But I got big news. Something we've been working on
for months now is now coming to fruition.

(03:36):
I can actually talk about it now, even though a fucking idiot
hasn't like, announced it yet. But Frybaby's moving to the
heist and will be my neighbor, so expect a lot of collabs.
Across the street from each other.
We're literally gonna be across from each other.
I've been like hunting. I've been looking for Nerf guns
that go beyond 60. It's about 60 to 100 feet.

(03:57):
I plan on getting a couple couple rifles.
Yeah, I'm going to do a lot of sniping from from my from my
car. But yeah, I'm excited because
there's something to be said about having just being
surrounded by your friends, you know, like we have like cookie
make cake face next to us and it's like it's a lot of fun.

(04:20):
I forgot. Like, I mean, I guess I didn't
forget, but I always have to remember like I'm literally in
there with homies with like, so all of our businesses are, it's
like our own business neighborhood and it's really
cool. One food cart described us as
like was talking to Sonny was like, oh, you're just going to
be here with your friends. All they do is just walk from

(04:40):
one food cart to the other cart and they just hang out at each
other's carts. And it's really, it's really
fun. It kind of brought the fun back
into the to the grind for me. That's important.
Yeah, it's really important. So it's it's cool.
And like Sonny's cart is going to be a lot bigger.
So I'm like, dude, we're just going to throw like house
parties at your place and like, yeah, it's cool.

(05:03):
It's really it's it's a really funny thing.
Like there are times I'll come visit the cart randomly and I'll
be like, where's where's so and so.
And then I'll go to cooking the cake phases cart and to see one
of my team members, like hiding in the back.
And then other times I'll just like open the door abruptly at

(05:23):
my car and I'll just see Sarah from cooking my cake fits like
sitting in my car. Like, Oh my God, Like, why isn't
anybody working? It's like roommates.
Yeah, yeah, it's like roommates.But I can't, I can't really, you
can't really be mad at that 'cause I get to build so much
morale. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's, it's great. And I'm, I'm excited to have
Sunny there. I hope, like, I hope that we

(05:45):
can, like, just not feel winter as a food cart, you know, So.
But we'll see. We'll see, yeah.
That's like having chosen Co workers, which is kind of a
dream. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
absolutely, absolutely. And it's like it's, yeah, it's
been a, it's been a kind of a weird week.

(06:06):
I'm watching a lot of things kind of unfold in the news and
try not to let it bum me out, you know, But it's kind of hard,
you know, like the state of likeour local, this local businesses
is just man, we've just been getting ransacked lately.
You know, like this month was the month that tariffs actually
hit for a lot of products and stuff.

(06:28):
So there's a lot of stuff that'snot coming to Portland, like not
coming to the States anymore, so.
Yeah, yeah, it's never ending. It's never ending.
Yeah, it's pretty crazy. But have you?
So do you guys like, do you guyscarry?
Do you guys start carrying different products when like the
season changes and stuff or like?

(06:49):
Yeah, definitely. We're always switching things
up, especially seasonally. Right now we're shifting into
that kind of like, you know, fourth quarter looking forward
to the holidays, which means we are focusing on a lot more like
cozy things that people can eat together, kind of like really
fun, you know, waffle mixes and marshmallowy things.

(07:09):
But also like for December timeslike a lot of giftable stocking
stuffer type things. Yeah.
So just a lot of fun giftable items.
Yeah. It's constantly like a thing
that we're looking forward to towards the end of the year
where we really invest in more fun, exciting products.

(07:34):
So like having a retail space, do you do like do a facelift and
like, like, do you throw up decorations and stuff or
whatnot? Or do you try to keep the same
aesthetic or? Yeah, well, I guess we do kind
of do like a facelift in some ways.
We do like to reorganize and move things around and kind of
like play with the Feng shui of things a lot.

(07:56):
But in terms of like holiday decor and all of that, I don't
know, I can speak for myself. I feel pretty anti commercial
holidays. So I, I kind of hate playing
into, you know, like Christmas decor, Halloween, you know, all
that stuff. But to a certain extent, like

(08:18):
we'll do it. But it's pretty light.
Yeah, I think, I think what, youknow, the the thing that sucks
for me is when this time of year, there's a reminder
everywhere that the summer's gone, right?
But I can't believe how susceptible we as human beings
are to just a bunch of dead leaves and a pumpkin.

(08:42):
Do you know what I mean? Like I'll just like even like if
I had to go like grocery shopping, like it's so obvious.
It's like, it doesn't like even walking into like a grocery
store. It's just like, oh, it like when
it's summertime, you're just like, oh, it's just a grocery
store. September hits.
You're just like, holy shit, pumpkins.
Oh my God, everything smells like cinnamon and nutmeg.

(09:03):
And I hate that it works on me. It works on me 100% of the time.
I'm just like. It works on all of us, even
though we want to hate on it. Like I I saw yeah, I that
doesn't stop me from hating on achoice.
I still 1000% hate on it. I thought somebody asked for
recommendation for apple like a good place to get apple cider

(09:24):
doughnuts and I was like what the fuck?
Where are the fire apple cider doughnuts?
What where? What is where?
Why have I been missing this my whole life?
How would they be? Maybe pips would have a special?
I'm sure Pips has a special or they are the special.
Yeah. Do you know?

(09:45):
Yeah. And like, also like I get.
I just did my second to last wedding.
Oh, yeah. So shout out to Miguel and Mary
for having a beautiful wedding and having us host some food.
Congrats. Yeah, Congrats.
It was actually it was all the way out in Silver Falls, Oregon.
OK. You guys ever been that way,
man? It's oh, I, you know, what's

(10:07):
funny is like, this is like the easiest wedding, but it was the
drive that killed me. Like the drive was like the
longest part. It was really funny.
Like 6 hours. No, no, no, it was like hour and
a half, two hours, 6 hour wedding.
Hell no. Like anything over three were
were flying, you know, But yeah,it was it was cool.

(10:28):
It kind of reminded me, one, like I made the right decision,
no more weddings, and then two, because it was so easy, I was
like, maybe I'll do, maybe I'll keep doing it.
Maybe I'll just charge more. Easy.
You gotta say, it's hard. Yeah, but the but now I start to
see I'm just like, you know, this was worth it 'cause there's

(10:51):
some weddings where I'm just like, you could have, like you
could have, I could have chargedlike 4 times the amount.
It ain't worth it. I'm done with these events, man.
I'm bigger than this, you know? But then there's events like
this from just like, everything went so smoothly.
I'm like, damn, I should be doing this more often, you know?
OK, Yeah. Well, that's great.

(11:11):
Yeah, I think I actually somebody hit me up was like,
will you can I get, can I get your rates for your wedding for,
for catering a wedding? And I was like, yeah, what's
what, what when is it? And they're like, sometime in
2027. And I almost wrote back.

(11:31):
I almost wrote back. Like, bitch, I'll be lucky to
make it to first quarter 2026. But yeah, that was like, damn, I
forgot. People like weddings are a
fucking huge deal man. I can't plan that far in advance
anything. Yeah, yeah, seriously.
But. I think that's just commitment
issues. I.
Know well, don't you ever feel like and maybe other people that

(11:54):
have small businesses can relateto this?
Is that like maybe you can thinklike a season ahead?
You know what I mean? Like for me, if I make it to
fall, I'm like, Oh my God, we'rehere this this summer just
passed. I hope I amassed enough like

(12:16):
regular customers. So like that's The thing is like
when we, the way that I look at the way that my business and all
food truck businesses are run, is that like when you're busy in
the summertime, right? You get everybody hooked on your
food, you try to make as many regulars as humanly possible.
So they so then your business gets sustained by those regulars

(12:38):
in the winter time. Yeah, you got to collect enough
acorns for the winter, Yeah. You exactly.
It's like, you got to be the squirrel, right?
Be the fucking squirrel. However, I I always second guess
it. So whenever fall comes, I'm just
like, Oh, yeah, this could be it.
So like, it's hard for me as a small business to plan any

(12:58):
further than like a season, you know, like when people are just
like, Oh yeah, maybe next summerweekend, I'm just like next
summer. Like what?
What? What?
Like, what are you talking about?
It's like like nobody knows when, when that is, you know?
Yeah, put it on my calendar. Yeah, I have no idea how
calendar apps work. I'm like what?

(13:20):
What do you mean it it goes pastthis year?
This is why I don't send you anycalendar invites.
No, dude, my calendar invite looks crazy dude.
Like all the highlights in it and stuff like that.
And then all the stuff I don't remove and all the Google
invites are especially. I'm just like everything is like
accept or decline. And then it really makes me
wonder like, am I losing a lot of business by not like replying

(13:43):
to these or on the opposite end,like I've, I've had to tell
people this too. I'm just like, dude, like, oh,
especially like when my team is like, hey, I need, I need
October 21st and 22nd off. And I'm like, OK, First off,
we're still in September. Like you need to tell me 3 to

(14:03):
like 3 days till the actual timeyou need off.
So then I'll know 'cause if you tell me now I'm Kohli gonna
fucking forget. And then we'll get all mad at
you whenever that date was in October that you asked for
'cause I am a small business andI don't believe in calendars or
the Zodiac. One day at a time.

(14:23):
I mean, that's funny. Yeah, it's really, it's really
difficult. It's really difficult for me
'cause I, I don't know if it's like a trauma response or just
like that is small business life, you know?
Trauma from small business maybe?
Yeah, maybe. I mean, we try to plan as far in

(14:47):
advance like at least the key placeholders for things that we
pay for. But when we're doing our weekly
meetings on Monday, like our dayoff, we try not to discuss more
than a week in advance because then we just feel overwhelmed.
So we've. Talked about coming week.
I mean, we just have to be on the same page, you know?
It's just, it's something we've learned over time because like.

(15:09):
Yeah. We've always kind of worked
together on things, but when we started this business together,
it was like a whole new learningcurve of like communication and
being on the same page and knowing where are like roles SAT
so that we wouldn't feel resentful of each other or like,
you know, that kind of stuff would happen.
So it's been a learning process,but.

(15:31):
That's so cool though. Like I don't, I don't know, like
for you guys to be married, havea child and have the business
together, It's like there's so much, there's so many.
Like it's not that you have two circles that make the circle
that intersect. It's just like 1 Octagon.

(15:52):
It's kind of cool. It is.
Cool, yeah. It's not necessarily like the
most romantic thing in the worldeither.
It's just it's kind of a grind also, and it's definitely put a
lot of pressure on our relationship too, especially in
the beginning. But we've definitely gotten to a
place where it's like strengthened us.
Yeah, you guys are a really goodexample.
That's seriously kudos to you too.

(16:13):
Like for like, like the projectsthat you guys do.
Like you guys like move as a unit, which is fucking rad.
I do. Do you think, like if you took
on a side project or Terrence took on a side project or got a
different job, you'd feel like he's cheating on you or that you
think you would feel like you'recheating on him?
First of all, we do have our ownside projects.
Terrence definitely has his own like community and project that

(16:35):
he's running currently that I really don't really have
anything to do with so. Don't really have anything.
No, I don't have anything to do with it really.
So, I mean, we already have those things.
No, I don't feel like he's cheating on me.
I don't know, man, you guys are such a like, such a good, like
you guys work so well together and it's everything's so

(16:57):
integrated. Like I'm so envious.
I'm this is coming from a a, a world of envy.
That's funny. I mean like some can see it as
kind of codependent too, like a little bit, but.
Who haters? Fuck them, maybe.
But codependency is also not necessarily a bad thing.
There's a healthy level, too, yeah, but no, I mean, I think
both of us could agree on this, too.

(17:18):
It's like we want each other to have our own things as well,
because I mean, we can't do everything every.
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
I think I don't know, like I've always like, I've really like
honestly, like really, really respected that about you guys
and like the communication styles that you guys have.
It's like I, I just don't know what that feels like.

(17:45):
But also like I'm very envious of it too, you know, 'cause like
I've, I've, I come from a background of having business
partners and it goes wrong because the vision sometimes
gets skewed or like it is straight up like somebody's
taking advantage of somebody else, you know?
And so at this point, it's hard to have, it's hard for me to
have partners and stuff like that, 'cause I'll watch other

(18:06):
people. Like it's one thing to have help
people get to where they need togo and they surpass me.
Then it's a whole different story.
Where this where it just seems like people just fucking take
from me and I've had more of that than the other.
Yeah, partnership's hard and yes, that that's awful, but it's
the truth that, well, it can go bad pretty easy.

(18:27):
Yeah, but it also comes in for me.
It comes into this thing where like now I realize like, oh,
that's how you saw me. You know what I mean?
Like, that's how like you came in with the superior.
Like you came in like thinking that you were better than me,
even though it was my ideas, my recipes, my whatever, you know,
my grind, my hustle to now, you know, like I've had to hit the

(18:47):
reset button like multiple fucking times.
And I think the funniest part islike their time.
There's just partners I've had that have branched out, stolen
from me, do their own thing, andthen they die.
You know, like not die physically, but like their
concept dies or the concept thatthey try to take for me dies and
then they can't do anything elseand they have to go get a job

(19:08):
being a sales Rep or some bullshit.
It's not just karma, it's all, it's just like where the fuck
are you now 'cause like you can't even fucking get arrested,
man, Fuck you. But back to like what I was
talking about, like having to dothat reset is always like it's
always difficult, but there are times where it's so freeing for
me. Like when I moved from downtown
to the highest, it was like, allright, man, let's like we're

(19:32):
already in debt. Let's just fucking dive head
first a little bit more just so we can reposition later to to be
better. Yeah, full commitment.
Yeah, full commitment. I think that happens too, like
when you try to do a second location, but you guys are
talking about doing a second location.
Yes. And like, I can see it.
I can hear it now. You're just like, Oh my God,

(19:52):
it's so overwhelming, you know? There's just so many things that
are overwhelming right now all happening at once.
And yes, it's it's a lot. Hey guys, you're listening to We
All Look Alike, a podcast about Han and Joyce's experiences
running business here in Portland, their life, and a

(20:13):
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Anyways, that's it. Hope you like the rest of this
episode. But yeah, this seasons of change
are definitely upon us right nowand we're really feeling it.

(20:36):
Yeah, a lot of commitments, a lot of.
I mean, like, honestly, with just like running this business
here, from the outside, it may look like a lot of like, you
know, rainbows and hearts and good times.
But from day one, working on this lease and with the many

(20:56):
landlords that we've had to go through in the single lease has
been a living nightmare. And you kind of know a little
bit about this that I've shared with you and it's just
constantly ongoing. And yeah, we're just definitely
really feeling it. And to the point where, yeah,
it's just the constant challenges of being a tenant

(21:21):
under bad landlords. And just like a bad lease, yeah,
it's no fun. And it it really takes a lot of
the joy out of the whole operation.
Yeah, I, I'm so sorry. Like you're still going through
it, but it's, it is like a funnything.
It's, it's, it's difficult to like, have to like you.

(21:46):
I, I, I think for me the hardestthing was having to come to
terms with being like, OK, my landlord and I are business
partners. Like we have to partner up.
So I got to like them, respect them.
Or if I hate them, then like, it's just going to be like, I
fucking do not want to write youa fucking check, you know?
Then all of a sudden it hyper like it's almost as if it forces

(22:11):
you to hyper focus on what you're doing in like a very
toxic way. Yes, it's like a abusive
relationship. Oh, absolutely.
It's like an abusive relationship because one person
is clearly winning or always louder than the other.
You know, the partnerships are the same way in that aspect.
It's like I can't be heard or I got to be, I have to like really

(22:33):
watch what I say. I think that's the part that I,
I hate the most. You know, I had a business
partner where I was like, oh, you got to watch what you say,
'cause it's got all the money. I'm like, but I got the fucking
idea, you know, like I don't care.
And then in the end, it's just like the person with the most
money has the most freedom to beable to do whatever.
Power. Yeah, has the most power in the
said relationship. And you're just at that point,

(22:54):
you're just hedging your bet against their empathy.
But again, instead of like, having to to like freak out
about it, you know, I've always found, like, very clever ways to
get my way. Yeah, like one way or another,
like I have to like figure out away to move or figure out how to
like, you know, or be able like be able to be, to be able to be

(23:17):
versatile enough to still like pull the trigger and hit the
reset button. Because I think that's the one
thing people went early in my business that didn't realize is
like, I've already I've already had it like pull the RIP cord,
right multiple times. And, you know, they're like,
you're willing to just lose all this comfort.
And I have to remind people and check people all the time.
Like I was never born in comfort.

(23:37):
Like I'm very used to the chaos of change and everything, you
know which I think you know, which you're going through right
now, Like new place, new places,new lease, new everything.
A lot of contracts, a lot of paperwork.
And yeah, I mean, we've learned a lot through this process of
what to look out for, but it doesn't make it any easier.

(23:58):
Still have like, trust issues, you know?
Well, well, yeah, yeah, of course.
I think there's a lot of food carts and small businesses out
there that I think, I don't think people even realize that I
know the owners too and stuff like that.
And I give out my advice or I give my time out freely because

(24:18):
I really need people to understand like I didn't do all
this suffering to not share thisinformation.
Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah.
So it's, yeah. And it's hard.
Like it's hard to like really it, it's, it's hard because like
when you get like when you get people or customers that are

(24:38):
like bratty or that are observant, you know, and they
try, they, they talk shit or they leave bad reviews.
It's like, dude, do you know howhard it was for me to get that
cold food into that box for you?Like, can't you appreciate that?
Say thank you. Yeah, just say thank you.
We're just glad we're here. Like, what if everything was

(24:59):
just McDonald's, you know? Which would be awesome, but
honestly, you know, that's something that's like that's
really that's always grinded my gears too.
Is like when clearly we've had abad day and we get a shitty
review on service and it's like,man, you just don't get it.
We can't always be on, you know.Chronic One stars.

(25:19):
The chronic one stars. Well fuck that dude.
I fucking hate Yelp. I was around before Yelp but do
you got like. I've always found like when
people like give reviews on doctors and shit, you know, or
like things that I don't think have like should get reviewed,
like everything's a review, you know, like.
Doctors should get more reviews.I don't even know where I can
look up doctor reviews because we've actually tried when we

(25:42):
were choosing a pediatrician. Oh, really?
You can't find the new reviews, it's really just like.
Yo, you know what? That makes a lot of sense.
No, you can't, because I actually had to look back on I
had a really horrible doctor experience like back when I was
like 25, and it was such a scarring experience that I

(26:03):
wanted to find him recently. Oh my God.
Yeah, I was. I looked him up.
I couldn't. I was sure that he would have
like multiple like malpractice, like lawsuits visible on on the
public web and a bunch of bad reviews.
Literally nothing. And.
I couldn't believe it because, yeah, just my experience was one

(26:25):
of the most horrible things. So I'm just like, where?
Where are these reviews for people that really can affect
your life negatively? Damn, I didn't think about that.
Like Joyce, should we start a Yelp for doctors?
I mean, yeah, sure. I don't.
I don't have a lot of doctor experience, but yeah, why not?

(26:46):
I mean, we had one for, but that's investors.
But we don't need that. Yeah, exactly.
Because we don't need that. Because you, you just have all
the people out there that are like, this doctor sucks.
And then they can just turn it in and then we'll just post it,
you know what I mean? Yeah, Crowdsource all of.
It wait, this could get real dark real quick 'cause man, some
doctors are hello abusive. I think a lot of yeah, doctors

(27:08):
and people in the medical field are protected in many ways.
And so, like, you don't really see any of this.
But yeah, like trying to choose a pediatrician, all we could
find were like, the clinics havetheir own, like, oh, here's a 5
second interview of the doctor. You can see a little bit of
their personality. And Terrence kind of jokes about
it too. It's like, oh, our doctor that

(27:29):
we chose likes to travel to Italy and they like to drink
wine. And they're like, how?
How does this help me get to know my doctor?
Stanley Tucci, calm down. Yeah, just cracked me up, but
yeah. I definitely didn't want the.
Guy with the funny. Hats no man, fuck that so.
No, there's a lot of people. I mean, how how do you handle
battery? Do you do you have a lot of
Google and Yelp reviews? We have?

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I think we have a good number ofGoogle reviews, but it's not
like out of this world where like a restaurant could be.
I think we have like 60 reviews.Oh, OK.
Yeah, that's that's. A lot.
We have a pretty. I don't want to show off but
yeah, we have like a full 5 stars.
Hell yeah. You should be proud.
Of that, how, how, how, like, how could we?

(28:13):
I don't know. I feel like the ways in which
like a business like ours are rated would be much more
straightforward than like a restaurant where it's like
service, taste, all all that stuff, right?
Right. There's a lot more factors.
Into it right? So I can't.
Really speak from experience here on that.
But if I were to speak on, I mean like I have plenty of

(28:34):
places where I'm personally reviewed like as a seller on
like marketplace or I'm an Etsy seller and I've been I have like
maybe over 1000 reviews. Damn.
And. Yeah, like.
The non five star ones hurt. They hurt me personally.
That's so. Funny but.
There are very few I'm still. Like a 4.8 but like the ones

(28:57):
that I get, yeah. How do I deal with them?
It depends. Sometimes when it's like someone
who's just clearly not thinking about the seller as being as a
person and not being Amazon, youknow, and they just like leave a
really harsh, thoughtless one star review.
Yeah, I will reach out to them. Really.

(29:17):
I will reach. Out to them and.
I will try to connect with them on a human level usually.
But also like, what were you thinking?
Why? Why did you think that that was
OK? That's so funny.
And I'm not necessarily trying. To get them to edit the review
and anything, but I just want them to know, hey, I'm a real
human behind this. And like you could have

(29:38):
literally just asked me or told me upfront what your issue was
before going straight to the review.
Like it's something that could have been resolved usually I
think. With like the.
Review system. And Yelp and Google reviews and
stuff like that, like. There should be like an extra.

(29:59):
Tab like an extra layer of just like if you put a one star you
should just be like Are you surethis is what you want to put out
there yeah you gotta explain well I.
Think if more. People realize that we're just
humans, right? There's human error.
There's also obvious user errors, which I've had happen to
me as well. Yeah, Yeah.
You know, And then there's othertimes where I'm just like, I, I

(30:20):
don't think you quite understand, like we will
remember you. And if we see you in the wild,
we're going to say something like you did, you know, like I
had. I mean, Speaking of reviews,
this is actually pretty funny, Iwrote.
Somebody wrote a review. This is.
Years ago, right, Like some somebody wrote a review on Kim

(30:42):
Jong Un and it said like, oh, it's not so great.
It like, I don't know, like I could make this better at home.
OK, They just remember that. Remember that tagline?
I can make this better at home. So then Fast forward like years
later when like I reopened my cart and I was like, what
neighborhood should I go to? Which what neighborhood should I

(31:04):
go to open up the cart? And someone said like, oh, you
should move the cart to Milwaukee or no, not or like
Woodstock or whatever, right? And I was like, I was like, I
know that username and then. I I was like.
Oh, and I, I just gently wrote like, oh, that's crazy.

(31:24):
I heard you have crazy good Korean food and Woodstock
already and they totally bid on it and they were just like what?
Where? And I was like, I think it's
pretty hyper local to you. I understand that you have a, I
understand like you make really good Korean food at your house.
And then they instantly got it. They were like, oh ha ha, you

(31:48):
know, And I was just like, just just a little.
Reminder. You know, I remember all the
Koreans, all four of you that eat my food.
It was a Korean. Of course it was.
Korean. Yeah, man, of course it was a
Korean woman. Of course it was a Korean person
like nobody. And I think that's the thing
with bad reviews and stuff like that, Like when people review

(32:10):
me, I just need, I don't know how many more times I have to
say this, but like I've already gotten the ultimate compliment
on my food. I've had my mom say, I've heard
my mom say that I make one, really fire food and two, that
they're proud of me. I literally am in the .01% of

(32:34):
Koreans. Like you're like that cousin
that you have that that your momcompares you to.
I'm him, you know, so say whatever the fuck you want about
me. And that's how I go about with
bad reviews. Like when people, especially
when people when it's just like so like so petty, you know,

(32:54):
we're like, oh, the portions were too big.
Well, duh. What the fuck?
Like you just complain to complain, you know, So I, I
think it's just a matter it's, it's like success.
You have to dial in what is whatyou consider a good, you know,
is good. You got to be confident in that,
you know, So 'cause I've seen like a lot of my peers will

(33:15):
print the one star reviews or like celebrate them, you know,
that's also clever, which I like.
Yeah, yeah, you got you got to. Channel that into.
Yeah, you got to channel some ofthat.
Somewhere. But you can't do that for all of
them, you know, 'cause the the horde of idiots will always win,
yeah. Yeah, reviews.
Man, I. We we live in a world where

(33:36):
honestly, it's just everything'skind of a review.
Yeah. And Speaking of.
Reviews if you guys love this podcast, you can always give us
a five star review, a follow or listen or a hey, what's up on
our Instagram or even better, come to goodies down here on 2nd
and buy yourself like treat yourself to some good snacks or

(33:58):
even better, get yourself dinnerfrom Kim Jong Un.
We're doing Thursday specials now.
Just shameless plug. Hey, thanks for.
Some Kim Jong Un dinner tonight,that was so good.
Hit the spot. How was it?
It was good. Are you kidding?
It's it's been a minute. We really missed it.
Aw, thanks. Speaking of, we should have a.
Little treat right now I have a little sample out in front of us

(34:19):
for you to enjoy. This is a little snack mix from
Gochi. So it's a snack company out of
Washington, so it's pretty localto us here in the Pacific
Northwest. That one's the gong gongs mix.
So it's got, it's got kind of like a Sichuan flair to it.
Oh yeah. That was weird.

(34:39):
Make my mouth itch. Makes it.
Itch or numb? It makes it numb too, but it's.
Kind of good, kind of weird. I always think the Sichuan
phenomenon is like, kind of, yeah, it's it's weird.
I feel like that's such a Korean.
Take like a old man Korean. Take Wow, take it easy.

(35:00):
I'm I'm always blown away with like salt and sugar and the same
dish. Well, Citrona, I would.
Say like. Is a unique vibe.
For a a Korean palate, yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Definitely. That is some shit my mom would
say though. Oh, it makes my mouth itch.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying.
You sound like an old man. Because my mom would say if she

(35:22):
didn't like something like cilantro, she's like makes my
mouth itch like soap. Like what?
Yeah, that's why. Do you know what soap tastes
like? Yeah, it's soap.
But but yeah, it's fun. I don't know.
I really like snack mixes. I think it's kind of like a play
on, like childhood favorites cereal, you know?
Yeah. No, it's good.

(35:43):
It's real good. This is local.
This is it from Washington? Yeah, it's pretty.
It's. Pacific Northwest.
Damn. But they have.
Other flavors so they've. Got like a Kochi dung mix which
I didn't open tonight. Nice for a cock.
Gay. Black sesame a matcha.
So I'd like Asian flavors. Nice.
And this is this a new product? That you guys are taking, yeah,

(36:03):
yeah. I've been wanting to get into
store for a little bit, but finally reached out and yeah, we
got a few flavors and that's cool.
The branding is really. Cute it is really.
It's like super, super cute Korean.
I think one of the founders. Might be Korean, but I don't
know, I'm not sure 'cause it says like this one's, I can't

(36:24):
remember. They have like a Korean one,
which is the Kuchang one and then the fur khaki ones.
So I feel like one of the founders is like Japanese or
half Japanese, I can't remember.They're Asian.
They're Asian. All right, So does that what I
love about? Goodies is like you guys always,
you guys always hit the POC businesses.
I really support them and reallyshow off for them.

(36:45):
It's like it's, it's awesome, especially if it's like, you
know. If it's our flavors, it's got to
be yeah, of course. Of course, of course I want to
do more. I want to do more tastings.
OK, yeah, yeah, like real food. No, I mean just like.
Just some of the especially within the world of packaged goods
because I. Feel like we're in AI mean

(37:09):
maybe? You can agree with me or not,
but like we're in a moment of like being a like that is the
that is like the the gateway drug for a lot of like American
palates to really experience like other cultures is like
through the packaged goods, you know, like, I know what's your
name on Instagram? I met her that one time with you

(37:31):
guys. Snack shot.
Yeah. Yeah.
Andrea, Andrea. Like she does like.
A really good job at like, really spreading the word
through like. Just just her hot.
Takes on the culture, yeah, on the, on the culture, on snack
culture and stuff like that. Because it's huge, for sure it
it is. And it's very nuanced and

(37:51):
there's definitely just so much to explore there.
But yeah, like there's nothing more powerful than being able to
give the opportunity to a customer in the comfort of their
own home, right? Yeah.
But yeah, it's fun. It's a really fun industry and
category. Yeah.
I'm happy to open up more products.
Yeah, I just. I just think it's wild now.

(38:13):
Like there's people that come toKim Jong Un and they're like,
oh, I've heard of you guys or oh, your Instagram or oh, a
friend of a friend. But I'm.
Waiting because it's. Going to happen where somebody's
just like, dude, actually I actually got the bulgogi Korean
BBQ Lay's chips and then I googled Korean barbecue and then
I came here like that would to me be just like, oh, sick.

(38:36):
It's funny. Full circle.
Yeah, you know what I mean? That's hilarious, but I'll take
it, you know, like I'll take it like I'll take any influence
towards like. Pointed in the direction.
Of, of good food, you know, so it's just, it's pretty funny.

(38:56):
I think like also, you know, like with like, like with
packing, with packing like King pop or like, you know, like rice
and Bachchan for Harlow, for hergoing to school, you know, like
was always so traumatic. Remember when we first did it?
I was like, look, man, if anybody fucking makes fun of
you, you know, I don't give a fuck how big their dad is.

(39:18):
We'll fuck them up. We'll jump that motherfucker,
you know, and then we'll fuck his kids up too, you know?
And then it to my surprise, she's like, yo, everybody wanted
a piece. Wow.
I'm like what? Like, oh hell yeah, this is Red,
You know, 'cause I just like everybody in my generation, and
probably in yours as well, has ahorrible, no absolutely king pop

(39:40):
story. It's always.
King Pop. And it's always at school, like
my friends in LA have soul sausage like Ted.
Just so I brought this up beforeand the younger brother Ted was
like, I don't remember this happening in Yong.
Like almost tearing up was just like, what the fuck?
You mean we had to go around thecorner.
We had to sit there and like Asian squad and eat our king pap

(40:03):
real fast so no one could see, no one make fucking make fun of
us. And I was like, Oh yeah, dude, I
totally got that man. I was crying in the lunchroom
eating King pap when I was a kidtoo.
It's like kind of like a rite ofpassage at this point.
No, for sure. I mean I.
Think I ate my lunch in the library with the librarian by
myself because I just didn't want to be around people.
Dude, I have the school. Janitor like shout out Mrs.

(40:23):
Robinson. Like just big black woman does a
janitor for the cafeteria and everything else.
She's your homie. She would like watch these kids
pick on me as I was crying and eating King Pop.
Like a second I cracked my chopsticks.
Like I was like, this, is it like I'm going to have to
fucking stab my way out or something?
Actually, I was a really shy kid.

(40:43):
I wasn't very violent then, but I just remember crying and
eating and she was like moving kids out of the way and just
being like, you leave this boy alone.
You let him eat what he eats. This is what he eats at home.
And I just like, she'll forever be burned in my brain of just
like, damn. Like, this is like, thank you,
you know? So yeah, damn memories those

(41:09):
days get you one of the. Things I wanted to I.
Wanted to ask you about 'cause this is like a big deal for us
and our businesses. Is is food influencers?
Do they? Interact with, with with.
Your shop as much as they'd interact with like restaurants
and like food carts and stuff, Iguess I.

(41:32):
Wouldn't necessarily know how much like like you can quantify
it. Yeah, I guess like.
Especially in the beginning though, like I feel like people
stopped in and really try to. Make some content out.
Of what we were doing here. But honestly it's I feel like

(41:52):
romancing and making food sexy is like way easier than like.
A retail store. You know what I mean?
So I don't know. Yeah, I.
Know you know what I mean, I. Know what you mean?
I know. Like, oh, we're, we're oh, like
they got the crinkly bag of chips.
Like, oh, it's yeah, I could see, yeah, I could see, right.
You could see, right. Food.
Definitely easier to romanticize.

(42:15):
So I don't know, but yeah, yeah,yeah.
I mean, content creators, influencers definitely made a
huge impact on our early days. And like I yeah, we always
welcome people who wanna like, come through and showcase, you
know, especially if it's genuine.
Yeah, I think. I am one of the few businesses

(42:37):
that started when there were. When there wasn't Instagram.
Or Facebook, like, so when we started, like, yeah, the Twitter
days and stuff like that, and itwas really funny to see.
To see people like to. See the influencer like.
The genre happen. Then the profession be made and

(43:01):
quantified and then then to see the evolution of it because
like, you know, like a lot of the version 1 influencers are
the ones that gave the rest of them a bad name, right?
They're like really vapid, always taking selfies, always
just going to places, either like making the places just
like, oh, these poor people, they make this really good food

(43:23):
and then blah, blah, blah. And I'm here spending my own
money for it. But at the same time, and it's
just like, dude, you Dick, you asked for free food.
You totally made your presence known.
You know, like go fuck yourself.Influencers in the wild.
That page influences in the wildis.
Awesome. I love seeing that because it's
so spot on, because it's so, so much of it is manicured because

(43:48):
it has to be right. Like you can't always be
catching a moment, then posting,but at the same time, like
there's a limit, you know what Imean?
It's like there's a limit, guys.Like you're just just a fucking
liar. I do, though.
I do think though, it has evolved food to a point of one
it's everything's prettier. You know, like everything is.

(44:11):
Way prettier and like when people like when other chefs are
like, yeah, dude, I don't fucking pay attention to that.
Like the fuck you don't. The fuck you don't.
We have not sold this much edible flowers ever, you know,
like he has like, and then at the same time, I also think like

(44:32):
influencers are kind of taking over the job and they're taking
over the role of the tastemaker when it comes to like, what's
what's in fashion, what's the flavors, what's good, you know,
like, what is the new thing? You know, like, I don't know,
one of one of the things I've noticed is like especially like

(44:53):
right now in this moment, like the pumpkin spice craze isn't
nearly as potent right now. It's just there.
But you know what I realized is really potent?
What matcha? Oh my goodness.
Yeah, you see what I mean? I.
Thought matcha had peaked like. Years ago but but that's.
The thing yes, to us, 'cause we're in this, we're in this

(45:18):
world, but there's a whole nation of die hard pumpkin spice
folks. Oh, exactly.
It's it's become. That hasn't seen it.
What do you call it? It it's become very mess, yes.
Yeah, and people who wouldn't. Who would have never touched
matcha, especially like the traditional way it's made just

(45:39):
with water, right? Like the kind of bitter nuance
thing. Now it's like easier to drink.
It's in lattes and like sweetener.
And you're right, it is the pump.
It is the next pumpkin. But I'm telling, I'm telling you
right now. Like your average like mid
pumpkin spice girly that had like the big sweater, the crazy

(46:02):
weird Stetson hat you know that looks super cozy like.
We're like 2 months. Away from them trading in that
Stetson hat for a kimono for a fucking dark green drink.
You know, like cozy with the matcha latte.
Then real cozy with the matcha. Cardamom latte or matcha

(46:22):
lavender latte. I know, but you know what?
Like I'm not. I got to be honest with you,
man, I'm not mad at it. Yeah, it's no, you know, it is
kind of cringe worthy, the stateof matcha right now, but you
kind of can't. Bootleg matcha?
No, it's all that money's going straight back to the Matcha

(46:44):
farms well. Maybe to an extent.
To an extent, right? I mean everyone who sells.
Matcha out here though, is a reseller, right?
They're a reseller. But what I'm saying is like I
haven't. Seen any like?
American grown matcha No, it's impossible.
It's. Impossible, right?
It's like the greatest handcuffs.

(47:06):
Us as Asians have done. Yeah, yeah.
No, no one can. No, you can't.
You can't grow that. Like the second that like that,
that's. What I mean it's like.
Things like like the innovation of the influencer of.
Of like the trends and. Taste making like that's like,

(47:29):
this is kind of a win, right? But here's where it's at.
Like the the supply is limited. It's literally the supply is so
limited. It's kept.
It was never. Meant to go viral like this
right and it took generations toget to this point of like the
the land it takes to make this amount of product but yeah I

(47:52):
mean like people are trying to keep up but it's it's gonna take
a long time for it to get there you know what I mean and yeah
but even. Honestly like in the big picture
for me, like even that like. You got to hear me out on this.
Like even the fact that of thoseof those numbers, right, it
can't be made that much, you know, like eventually we're

(48:15):
going to hit this cap. Yeah, yeah.
Then I think what's this is whatI think is it's going to hit the
reverse. And just now people are going to
just fucking appreciate it. I hope so.
You know what I mean? Like if there's.
When there's like limited edition stuff, people just
become hoarders and grabbing, right?
Yeah, I, I. Yeah, whenever there's something

(48:37):
like this in this industry whereit's like it's like a quick,
it's a trend. I always.
Wonder what the? Staying power of this trend is
going to be and with this particular one, I have a hard
time imagining it really going away.
I don't think it's going to go away.
I don't think it's going to go away well.
First of all, it's caffeine. And it's a very nice feeling.
Clean caffeine. So people are addicted to it.

(48:58):
It's like a clean energy in so many ways.
So people are getting high off of matcha.
So I really don't see that thingthe the trend going away.
It might level out at a certain point, but but I.
Think I think what's gonna happen is like people are gonna
get really I. Think it's gonna like it's

(49:22):
gonna. Stay like kind of sacred like
people will like even though matcha will be in everything
like it'll be so easy to spot the fakes that also like more.
Attention will be thrown. Back onto appreciation.
I hope so, yeah. I mean.
Well, I mean, you kind of don't have a.
Choice cuz there's only so much land you can fucking have to
grow it, but you. You know, you see where.

(49:44):
This could go wrong too. Like, and it's our Oh,
absolutely. Starbucks.
Yeah, no, it happened with. Starbucks Starbucks making their
matcha. Drinks, but it's like it's a
culinary grade matcha. It's not.
It's not like matcha matcha. Yeah, exactly.
But. But even that, even that alone,
right? That will that stirs the
interests of people to chase thegood stuff, you know or the

(50:05):
paste authentic stuff taste yeahlevels of.
Taste. I mean, like Starbucks boba.
Come on. No, You know anybody, nobody we
know is gonna get Starbucks. Hell no.
Hell no. But.
It that's it. That's The funny thing about
about when like when there's like sell out type of products
or styles and stuff like that, It's it's never like something

(50:28):
so manufactured versus it just being like people just chasing
authenticity, especially with the Asian stuff.
Definitely, you know, but hey, have you ever driven by?
Project Matcha No. You've heard of it.
I have. OK, every time I drive by I'm
like my neck breaks looking overat the line because it could be
like a gloomy day and there's just like a line down the street
for matcha, which is why I've. Never been there.

(50:50):
Because I cannot wait in line. Well, yeah, I mean, I, I
fucking. Hate waiting in line.
I don't wait in line for shit I just I can't do.
That, but yeah, if I can't call it ahead like.
No, I don't give a fuck, dude. You guys enjoy that, Yeah.
Yeah, like that's for you guys. Like I, I have a matcha plug.
I'm fucking. I'll be fine.
I'll make it at home. Yeah, like.
Oh. There's a matcha.
Shortage. I'll be just fine, you know?

(51:12):
Yeah. Which is which is funny because
I wonder like, like when does that?
Like how? Like when does that?
Slow down and like what do you? Like I wish you could.
Quantify when hype starts to diewith our with businesses like

(51:38):
for us, like when we go back to when it's like go back to school
or the sun if it's not as hot out.
That's a clear indication and marker, at least for me in my
business to know that like, OK, it's going to get slow.
Like things are going to slow down or like, oh, like kids are
going back to school. The orders, the orders are going
to get smaller, you know, especially now that I'm not

(52:01):
doing any deliveries and stuff like that, so.
Well, hype. I don't know.
Like it. It's hard.
It's hard to predict. The future or like, but nothing.
I mean like I I. Don't know.
I don't know, like somebody saidthis about about my brand a
while ago and about myself. I think it was the the guy that

(52:26):
used to put on Feast. He's like, I don't understand.
Like like he's like you've managed to stay relevant and
your brand has managed to stay like relevant like throughout
all the time. So all the hypes and stuff like
that. And it's like, is it?
Is it, is it because I refuse todie?
Like is it do do you think it's because I'm willing to go like
way further in depth than anybody else?

(52:47):
Or like maybe like my, my level of discomfort is greater than
yours. You're pain tolerates.
I mean, yeah. I call it whatever.
I mean, I'm still here. People still talk about it.
Yeah, I guess. And your your online.
Presence is quite strong. You're always there.

(53:08):
You're always. You've got a voice.
Oh, thanks, I think. Yeah, I asked somebody recently.
If they would take over my Instagram.
Really. Yeah.
I was like you think you do. It and they were just like,
dude, why do you keep asking me?And I'm like, OK, 'cause I think
I'm so sick of Instagram. I'm so sick of the online shit,

(53:30):
man. Wow, you are too.
Yeah, dude, it's a. Bummer to wake up and have to
like, 'cause I know we've had this conversation before and
historically for, for the listeners out there that haven't
heard this, like it was one one day Joyce was like, ah, man, I'm
just, you know, just trying to like curb being online and shit.
I'm like, no give in, go deeper,go the extra hour.

(53:51):
Like just let's see if you can break your phone from scrolling.
Can you put a divot in your phone?
And I got, I got to be honest, man, like I'm, I'm a little
little over it. I'm burnt out on.
Social media, yeah. I I think I'm feeling.
Uninspired but. Yeah.
It's a necessary evil still. Well, I mean, it's one.

(54:13):
It's one way. To combat like being like
slowing down and like I've, I'velearned to like really
manipulate my social media to like push not my agendas, but
like, I'll do this thing and maybe people have caught on or
maybe people haven't, but like I'm totally giving away a secret
here. Like I will 1000% drop a joke in

(54:34):
a post and see if people bite onit right?
And if you will bite on. It and they read it and they can
tell and and they'll they'll interact with it enough to read
through and get the joke. Oh, you mean like on the 3rd or
4th? Yeah, on the 3rd or 4th panel
or. Whatever, and then I'll go back
and reference that joke in a post 2 weeks later in the name

(54:56):
of selling a special and then people.
And then it works. Like I literally just recently
did that with like kimchi with the kimchi whiz for the cheese
steak. Wow.
Yeah. And like, it's, I'm sorry to let
you guys in on this. It's so it's so meticulously
planned that like, it's not as natural and, and as unhinged.

(55:17):
Like the unhingement of myself online is very planned.
It's calculated. It's so calculated and it's it's
great. Amazing.
Yeah. But.
Also I'm like. Really fucking sick of having to
plan this far ahead. It's not easy being the Doctor
Doom of Instagram. Yeah, well, it works.
Definitely. Works.
I'm like. Dude, this guy's like a evil

(55:37):
genius, no? Yeah, It's just, I don't know,
it gets, it gets hard sometimes.It takes a lot of time.
Yeah, I could see that, yeah. Now.
That you have now that. Tycho is here.
Does it, is it affecting any of your, is it affecting y'all's

(55:58):
like outlook on things? Like is it?
Is it scarier to expand now? I would say yes and no.
Yes, there's, I feel like there's a lot more to risk and
lose in some ways, but at the same time like.

(56:24):
Yeah, the. Only way forward is through and
up. The risk of failure is.
Definitely scarier. It's a little sharper, isn't it?
Definitely. Yeah.
It's it's. Interesting how that changes.

(56:46):
Yeah. And then a part of me too is
just like, yeah, of course. Like, I really care about
everything we're doing in our business and everything, but
part of me is like nothing. Else really matters.
Like I just, all that matters tome is my kid.
Like, you know, and I just want to be with my kid like 24/7 and.

(57:10):
Not that I Yeah. Don't care about my career and
business and whatever but like. Yeah, the the priorities are.
Interesting. It's different.
Everything gets a little sharper.
Right, yes, and I don't. Want to miss any of this time
either with my child, So yeah, it's well.

(57:32):
So I think. When Harlow was born.
I. I was working for someone else
and I was and I had Kim Jong Un and lost it through a fire and.
Oh man, so weird. To say this in front of Harlow,

(57:52):
but one of the biggest factors for me to like reopen was like,
do I want like was like what? What started mattering to me the
most is like how my child will look at me and whatever legacy
that I'm leaving. Like honestly, like 'cause I.

(58:12):
Think about like, I think about like how I didn't really know my
dad very well when he passed away and then I had to find out
all these things after the fact.And then, you know, you, you
find out things you don't want to find out, you know, whatever.
But. I distinctively remember just.
Like looking at Harlow like she was asleep.
I think I was, I thought I was pretty drunk and I was just

(58:33):
like, dude, are you just like when you get older, you're just
going to Remember Me just being that weird grumpy guy that comes
home all tired, you know, Or areyou going to like recognize me
for being that your dad that's tired from the business that he
started from the ground up, you know, and like, so things were
heavier, you know, and it's, it's really cool to see like it,

(58:58):
I've seen this happen with otherbusiness owners.
Like they'll have a kid and they'll just give it up.
They'll give up the business just so they could be with their
kid more, which is so I have so much respect for that, you know,
So it's, it's cool to get that answer from you to be like, I
just want to be with them all the time.
And it shows 'cause you're carrying, you guys are carrying
them with you everywhere. Yeah, it.

(59:18):
It's funny, that's definitely our lifestyle and honestly,
early on somebody. Came and visited the.
Shop and they saw me in the backhere with Tycho while we were
resting and they actually there were someone who grew up here in
Chinatown in the back of like their parents restaurant they're

(59:39):
Chinese American and yeah they grew up in a Chinese restaurant
here and they were saying how special of an experience that
was for them like in hindsight because they got an experience
where a lot of not a lot of people get that experience of
growing up in their family business and like really it
wasn't just like knowing their parents and how they were at

(01:00:01):
home but rather they got to see their parents out in the
community like and how they interact with customers and just
like. Being in it and working hard and
then going home with them too. But like they were telling me
how that they would come home orthey would go to the restaurant
right after school and like helpout and stick around and do
their homework there and watch their parents just like.

(01:00:22):
Working and interacting. With people and they told me
they were like, you know, it's aspecial experience and I'm
really glad for your kid to be able to see that and you guys
working in your space. And that kind of made me feel
better too 'cause like, I think it's cool, but part of me also
has this like, little guilt of like, is this like, cool?
Like, I don't know, no. You know what?

(01:00:44):
Like seeing it that way is pretty fucking awesome.
Actually really sweet and it. Definitely, yeah, gave me gave
me some like positive feelings. That's super cool.
I like. I mean Harlow helps me with
prep, obviously I pay her for her time too.
Nice. But yeah it's really cool.

(01:01:04):
And for those that are asking, like she does have her food
handlers card so calm the fuck down.
I say that 'cause I remember theowner of. 50.
Lovely 5050 Sarah. Sarah had her daughter making
dough one time and some customers saw her daughter
making dough and then they called the health department.

(01:01:27):
Wow. And the Health Department.
Came and they made her throw. Away all the dough for the night
and this and that and it was this huge thing and I just want
to say that like. You're a sad, lonely fucking.
Person to have to fucking do that like you don't you don't
you don't get it at all like you're.
Such a selfish. Person for doing that, but I

(01:01:48):
didn't think about that. Like I always think it's like
super traumatic because like, oh, you gotta see, but it
doesn't have to be, I guess, like seeing that it.
Yeah, you know, it doesn't have to be.
It's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah.
I would hope so. I mean.
Like, yeah. And.
I think. I don't think, I, I don't think

(01:02:11):
I've, I've, this is, this is pretty funny, like 'cause you're
also in the food adjacent business too, you know, like,
and it's like a restaurant adjacent business.
We have a lot of. Events that gathered around our
jobs, you know, like we're, we're, we're friendly and we're
friends because of our jobs of because we're in the food

(01:02:34):
industry. You know, I kind of always
forget like how social our jobs are, you know, and I, I feel
lucky. For that too, yeah, I feel super
blessed for. That yeah, although like I don't
as a rule I'd never like for my pop ups and stuff like that.
I never expect my friends to come through like I.

(01:02:56):
Never rely. On them to for ticket sales or
anything like that. Oh yeah yeah.
You know, I think it's just a good policy to have so to
anybody else that's listening that like wants to do their
first pop up or anything like that like don't it's it's it's
they're not going to come through.
Maybe it's your first few. Maybe your first few.

(01:03:18):
I'm always amazed when people still come to like, I mean, I
guess. I guess like.
It only more recently than ever,like I have homies that I pull
up, you know, if I have an event, like after the event or
before the event. But when it comes like ticket
sales, especially like pop up tickets and stuff like that,
that I do like I never, you know, I'd maybe maybe it's me.

(01:03:41):
Maybe it's because I'm just like, Nah, don't buy a ticket,
just come too after and later. I know, But yeah, exactly.
When you, it might be that too. Because like, yeah, whenever you
invite us that way too, I'm justlike, well, I don't want to
like, take a favor, you know what I mean?
Like I, I, you know, yeah. He's going to be busy.
I don't want to just like show. Up and like, be there.

(01:04:02):
Yeah, that's true. That's true.
I mean, I guess it's. Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
It's just, I think it's just a good policy to have.
But yeah, you're right. I mean, no matter what, like I
like to think that like a lot ofthe events that we do that we
show up to, you know, it's like more of a celebration.
And I think, I think the community that is built around
us, especially in the past few years since, you know, like the

(01:04:23):
more I've gotten to know you andeverything like has been that,
you know, and it's something that like, I'm so grateful for.
And so like, yeah, God, I was solonely before when it wasn't
like that for me. So like, it's, it's pretty
amazing now. So I appreciate you.
I appreciate that. I I agree.
And but yes, it's not something you want to like burn out like I

(01:04:45):
do not want I. Don't want to?
Depend on my community for theirdollars, you know what I mean?
Like yeah, that part. That that's.
Not sustainable. And so yeah, I, I hear you on
that. And yeah, still feel very held
by the community and supported either way.

(01:05:06):
Absolutely, if you've made it this far, I really, really
appreciate you guys letting Joyce and I rant and rave about
the past week. And if you want to support us,
please come by Goodies, get yourself some good snacks and
soon to be stocking stuffers. And please come to Kim Jong
Grilling at the Highest on 4727 SE Woodstock Blvd.

(01:05:30):
And thank you so much for listening.
Yeah, thank you. This has.
Been we all look. Alike podcast.
Have a good one guys, catch you next time.