February 2, 2025 • 25 mins
Alyne shares why nerds who work out might just be the ultimate relationship hack. We discuss the allure of intelligence, emotional depth, and how to strike a balance between confidence and vulnerability in dating.
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Welcome to another episode of What Your Dad Didn't Teach You.
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Today I have a special guest.
I didn't expect to insult the listener so early on in this journey, but today, listener,
your dad is your mom because we have the first woman on the podcast.
Yeah.
Hello, Aline.
Hi, it's your mom.
She actually has a lot of dating knowledge.
So disregard that immature intro.
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Aline, I don't know super much about you, but well, you dated one of my best friends and
that's how I got to know you.
You're actively dating right now and you have a lot of cool stories, I think.
So I'm very curious about a lot of things that you and all your hot and popular girlfriends
think about dating and that's why you're here.
Great.
Thanks for having me.
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Can't wait to share.
Yeah.
Actually, I think I have to set the scene.
We're right now in Aline's room on the floor, like two high school girls gossiping, but
it's recorded.
So we just went to grab a coffee and you told me a little bit more about yourself because
I don't know you very well.
And very interesting to give the podcast a good start.
You dated some super big shot guys and then ended up not dating them anymore.
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And yeah, you started telling reasons of why you weren't dating them anymore and what was
good and maybe let's get about them.
Well, maybe you can tell a little bit more about yourself because also my guys here have
no clue who you are.
My name is Aline.
I was born and raised in Los Angeles in the school years and Israel in the summer.
My mom's American dad's Israeli.
My mom is Mormon.
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So I was raised in a very conservative religion and background.
So no like sex before marriage, that kind of thing, very strict.
Then when I was 27, when I was 22, I got married in my religion to another Mormon, left the
religion when I was 26.
We got a divorce.
Me and him also built a company together.
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So I do business things also and sold that when we got divorced.
Even when I was 27, I started doing a social media career about like human rights, social
issues, quit that a few years ago because I got tired of it.
I was in a seven year relationship with another social media guy.
That was a very public relationship.
And what I find interesting about both of these relationships is that both of them started
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when I had like me and my ex-husband, he had nothing when we met.
Like he was eating ramen.
He would like, he told me in the semester we met at university, he ate 96 packets of
ramen because he had no money for food.
He slept under his cousin's bed.
Like he didn't have a bed.
Like he slept under his cousin's bunk bed.
And then when we divorced, he was a millionaire and very successful and on Forbes 30 under
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30 and worked with like the biggest celebrities in the world, Ronaldo, all these people.
And we divorced.
And then with my next partner, when we met same thing, he had 10,000 followers.
He had $60,000.
This is all public information.
I'm not saying anything private about them to be clear.
And then when we broke up, he had lots of money.
I'm not going to say how much because maybe that's not public and 70, 70 million followers.
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So 70.
Yeah.
I'm not the biggest Instagram connoisseur, but is that not like world's top tier level?
He's one of the biggest creators in the world.
And like all of our, like we would hang out with like the world's biggest creators and
the world's most famous men and people.
We would hang out with literally Bill Gates.
Like we would hang out with literally like we would, but we were with Mr. Beast, who's
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the biggest creator online.
Like that, that was our social circle.
So and I still kind of left because that wasn't what I, what I wanted was not a famous social
circle.
What I wanted was like a great partner.
Yeah.
You said that earlier when we were drinking coffee, I thought that was pretty cool.
And on a recent episode, me and my buddy Nils talked about the red pill thing where those
guys believe status and money and looks, I think is all that matters.
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And it, well, Nils and I didn't really agree.
Don't agree.
And it was interesting to hear that echoed in your stories because you were with the
top, the top of the food chain dogs there.
And so your story echoes what my buddy Nils and I were saying that it's not all about
looks, looks, values.
So whatever status, status, because you were dating some guys that were at the top of that
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food chain.
And then you realized, Hey, I actually just want to hang out with people that I really
like rather than I'm exaggerating now, but rather than chilling with Mr. Beats and Bill
Gates in my living room.
Yeah, you're not even exaggerating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's accurate.
Yeah.
And then of course you are a simple size one, right?
Maybe all other women in the world would never leave that life or that is all they want.
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I don't really believe so, to be honest.
I think it could keep women really happy for a long time, but I don't think it's that real
happiness, whatever it is, that real deep inside fulfillment.
Well, even when I was there and I'm like a very thoughtful person, I think a lot, even
when I was there, I was like, am I dumb?
Am I going to leave this life where I have a chauffeur and I have a chef and I have everything?
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I have everything.
Am I going to leave it because my boyfriend doesn't give me enough attention and I don't
feel like he respects me as much as he used to?
Am I literally an idiot?
I thought that.
I was like, maybe I'll leave and be like, oh my God, you literally are dumb.
Then I left and for the first year it was hard to go from everything in my life being
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catered to having to take care of myself completely, which to be fair, I am always independent
to be clear, but still everything was taken care of, right?
And then going to not having that and now I'm so much happier.
I'm so happy.
I've done it.
I've done it essentially twice, going through that first divorce.
To be fair, he divorced me, but still it happened and I had to recover and rebuild and thinking
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I'll never find something better.
I'll never find someone better.
That's what I thought after my first ex.
I was like, I'll never find someone better.
My next person was so much better for me and just objectively.
And then same with this person, maybe I'm going to find someone better, but not as in
more rich or more famous, but better for me and I'm so much happier.
I'm so much happier now.
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All my friends that meet me now versus like two years ago, they're like, oh my God, you're
so much brighter and more energetic and you're more yourself again.
And I wouldn't have noticed.
Yeah.
Now you're content laying on the carpet floor.
To be fair, we are in a beautiful villa.
Yeah, but you're on one of the smallest podcasts in the world.
And you know what's funny is like, I would get invited to really big podcasts and I don't
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necessarily want to go.
I would rather do a podcast where it's someone I know and I like and it's not about like,
hey, how many in the past people would constantly email me to be on podcasts and I'd be like,
how many listeners they need to have at least a million?
Because I have millions of followers.
How would I go on a podcast without at least a million listeners?
It was all this like measuring game, which some people like and I'm not saying it's
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bad, but like for me, I don't like it.
And for me, it's draining and like, oh, I just want to like have a conversation with
you that we'd have anyways, right?
Yeah.
Fun.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
I mean, I've nowhere, I've been nowhere near all the success you're describing, right?
But I live a good life and I'm already thinking a lot of things that I wanted back in the day,
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dating goals and the type of women it would have to be and yeah, really bigger business,
more success.
And now I'm like, I actually have quite a lot and I'd like to just work less and chill
more.
So for example, I started playing World of Warcraft again this year.
I haven't played it in 15 years.
When I played, I was a virgin kind of a, that was a painful time where all the, my journey
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started into, I need to learn how to do dating because I'm a 23 year old virgin, right?
But you were 23.
Yeah.
Just under 23.
That's like later.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Because you couldn't or because you didn't want to.
I couldn't.
What?
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Look at me now.
But of course you're, you see my biceps and you're like, how is that possible?
Yeah, I've only met you now and I'm like, it seems like it would be easy.
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Well now it's easy.
Back then it was not easy.
But anyway, oh yeah.
So then in my mind it was like, World of Warcraft is bad.
Like that's what I did.
I mean the whole of society things that's kind of bad and that's what giga nerds do.
I mean, I am a giga nerd, I guess.
But so it was in my mind, you shouldn't do that and you have to work harder.
And then of course I had no money at all.
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I think I never had more than 1000 bucks on my account in that year and the coming years.
So it's like, okay, I have to work, I have to work, I have to work, I have to work and
you shouldn't play games.
And only this year I realized, man, I kind of really like playing those games and I play
with two good friends and we talk to each other on and we live in different countries
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so we can stay in touch.
It's really nice and I can combine that with my business but I was so brainwashed to not
do things like that.
Also do you know Hormozzi, the business coach?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love his advice.
I think there's a lot of good stuff.
But he's like, you know, he wants to work 20 hours per 24 hours and that's what he loves.
Yeah.
But so I always felt a bit bad that I'm not doing that and now I realized, man, that really
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isn't my jam.
I'm really happy with less money and playing some games that I really like.
I'm not playing the game to run away from a lot of stuff.
I just really like it.
But yeah, that whole, as usual, I forgot why I'm saying what I'm saying, but I think
it relates back to, oh yeah, you had that whole, the dream life for any girl that wants
to have a high value guy.
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And they're like, oh, actually I don't need all the driver and the chef and anything.
I'd rather stare at some biceps on the floor of my room.
I think that's how you phrased it.
I verbatim.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Approximately.
Yeah.
Interesting though.
I think I came to similar expectations, although you are talking specifically dating and I'm
not.
Well, a lot of what we do is like ego, right?
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So even what you described for yourself, and I'm not an expert on any of this, I'm learning
for myself also even now, being single for the first time in like seven years.
But like a lot of what we both do, what we both described is a little bit like ego.
So like I was like, oh, I need to date someone really smart because I'm really smart.
I need to date someone really like this and that will show people that I'm worthy.
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And like for you, it sounds like maybe in the past you had a little like, oh, I shouldn't
play World of Warcraft because that's not like you didn't associate it with like a cool,
successful guy or like this, the kind of guy that girls would want to sleep with wouldn't
do or be with wouldn't want to do XYZ.
So I think like what I've been going through the last few little bit in dating is being
like, oh, maybe I just want something really simple.
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Like maybe I just want like a cool person who's like very deep inside.
Maybe they're not deep in the world of members clubs and socializing and the world that I
was in, maybe they're deep.
They've done a lot of deep internal work and that's like a world I don't know and that
they can show me that world, right?
Like I don't know.
So it's interesting.
Yeah.
Like I don't have all the answers, but like I think ego plays a lot into like what we
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think we want and kind of tricks us sometimes.
Yeah, 100%.
And what you just said is really, it's going to hopefully put a smile to a lot of my viewers
because a lot of the guys that follow my brand, they have worked on themselves a lot and understand
themselves quite well and getting better and better and better.
So for them to hear that, you know, quality women are out looking for guys like them.
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That's nice.
100%.
Although I have to be fair and we discussed this briefly before too.
You still live a nice, like you still have a luxurious lifestyle, right?
Yeah.
And it's not not a lifestyle that all the guys can just keep up with.
So I'll tell you a story, a recent story.
So essentially like up until recently, I was telling you over our breakfast, I thought
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I needed someone who had like a similar income to me.
I didn't think they need to have more than me, but just similar, right?
Similar lifestyle.
I was sure about that.
And then I met someone, I just, we've only gone on three dates, so it could go nowhere,
it could explode.
He could be insane.
I don't know.
But the point is he is so good at communicating.
It made me like so drawn to him.
And sure, maybe he's not my person, but like I could easily date men right now and use
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my time for very rich, successful men.
And I'm not, I'm giving this guy who has almost no money all my time because he has
such emotional like depth.
And like he literally said to me on our third date, he's like, what's your biggest insecurity?
I told him, he's like, one of mine is like that I'm not rich.
And I was like, that's so like, that made me like him so much.
Me, I'm not every girl's the same.
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Some girls won't like him.
Some girls will leave him.
He went on a date with this Russian girl and she was like,
I was just going to say every Russian, every Eastern European girl is not like, you're
not rich.
Goodbye.
Yeah.
And you know what?
If you're the kind of guy who wants that kind of girl, you need to do, you either need
to accept that and get money.
But like this kind of guy wants, I think a real connection and the kind of girl who wants
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real connection isn't going to care.
Right.
So I don't want a guy who wants a trophy wife.
I don't want to be hot all the time.
I don't want to be pretty all the time.
I want a guy who likes me when I don't think I look good.
You know, that's one thing I loved about my ex.
When I dated him, he had very little money and zero like no follow.
It was, I liked him and he thought I looked beautiful when I thought I looked horrific.
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Like, what did you like about him then?
When I dated him.
Yeah.
So before he had any money or all the cool stuff, I could just feel like he was smart.
He went to Harvard.
So I knew he was smart at least.
Yeah.
But you didn't have money or success, but I was like, I can see potential.
As you can see with both my relationships, when they started, there was nothing.
When they ended, there was a lot.
Yeah.
Quickly to interrupt you or like chip in.
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I think for women, feeling the potential is hotter than already made it almost.
Yeah.
And I think it depends on the woman and what phase they are in life.
Right.
Like I'm 35.
So to a lot of men, they might be like, oh, you're way too old.
I only want to date 20 some things.
But energetically because I started my life so late, I am kind of like a 20 something.
But with.
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Yeah.
You told me your age earlier and I was also really surprised.
Yeah.
Well, you look younger, but also your energy is way younger.
Yeah.
And like I didn't have sex until I was 27.
So I started kind of like, I didn't drink alcohol really till I was 27.
And I then I was in a seven year relationship.
So I feel like really I'm like 20.
I feel like my life started two years ago and I am kind of catching up.
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Right.
In some ways.
But yeah, like that's why also with me and dating, I try not to look at the age too much
also for the men.
Like I will date way younger or way older.
Because I'm like, I'm not a typical 35 year old.
So why should I judge other people based on if he's 54 or 24?
You know, yeah.
Interesting.
When you're telling your story, there's so many things I want to talk about.
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And then I just I'm like, no, you should just listen.
And then I forgot what I forget what I want to talk about, you know, it's fine.
Okay.
Very standard question.
Just I've been working on some videos.
I told you about red flags and green flags in women.
Top of your head.
Really big red flag for men.
That women see in men.
For you personally, if you see this red flag, this guy shows off too much.
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It shows to me lack of confidence.
It shows to me lack of confidence.
And that's like one of the most unsexy things.
Like I love a man who's comfortable with himself.
Like for example, the guy that I'm going on some dates with right now that says he's
not rich and you know, whatever.
I was at a really nice dinner last night and I was like, hmm, if he was here, I wonder
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like he would probably think I'm judging him because he wouldn't probably normally be
able to do a dinner like this.
But actually I'd be observing if he feels comfortable or not.
And if he's able to just like hang out and relax and not worry about seeming like a man,
does that make sense?
And that's what would make him manly to me is that he's just so comfortable around people
because he's comfortable with himself.
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You know, that's really good.
So red flag showing off and then the green flag is your sort of comfortable wherever
you are, even if it's outside your usual with yourself because it's your comfortable.
It doesn't mean you can never be anxious or be like, Hey, I'm not used to these social
situations.
Can you give me like a heads up?
Like, but even saying that is showing that you're comfortable admitting that.
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Right.
Yeah.
That's something that I learned only this year with my girlfriend too, because I would
confess some things that were not about myself that are not the traditional super cool alpha
guy and every time she then in the moment or later told me that she found that's so attractive
that I shared those things.
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I mean, the best guys, like, I mean, I can say this because mostly guys listen to your
podcast.
I don't even want to tell all the girls this the smartest girls know that the best guys
are like the slightly nerdy guys who are also a little good looking.
Like my best friend married this guy who looks really handsome, but is essentially a nerd.
Like somebody, another person I've been talking to for a few months is essentially like a math
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nerd.
And he's like you.
He just like stays up at night on his computer and like does math, but he's really cool.
You know what I mean?
So like that's kind of a hack.
Like if you're a guy, like a girls, like the nerdy guys that, you know, you also go to
the gym, like you use your nerdiness to like learn how to work out and like how to be fit.
Yeah.
But then you don't want to party and yeah.
No, that's good.
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So I think I don't know all the podcast listeners, right?
Yeah.
At this point, most of them are guys that have been following me for a while.
And what I can say for those guys, for newer listeners that found me somehow, I don't know
who you are welcome, but the guys that I do know, they're always over average intelligence.
Some of them are just ridiculously bright.
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They're almost always a bit more nerdy and logical minded.
Um, because that's just the guys that struggle with dating.
And luckily the guys that then come to me are also smart enough to realize it about themselves
and they want to change it.
So I think that's great.
And then if we can add that other side, they already have the nerdiness and then we either
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it could be surface level things like you mentioned, the good looks, they can become better looking
like there's some guys currently in my program and I just give them some instructions to change
their hair and glasses and facial hair and some outfits.
And it's a million times better.
So much.
I wish I had this and this and this you have, but um, yeah, so that, and then of course the
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whole more their inner world and their mindset and stuff, we would change them to a bit,
you know, a quote unquote better looking and then they're finished.
Cause one of the things I really believe in a lot is that the most attractive guys are
the ones that, you know, those memes get you a guy that can do both and then it'll be the
more traditional masculine or the rougher guy things.
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And then you pair it with more feminine stuff or more nerdy stuff.
So to give an example about myself, I'll do boxing and gym and I love sports or cliff
jumping, those more like traditional masculine things, but I also love skincare, watching
Love Island and playing World of Warcraft.
And if you do them both and you're fine with showing them both, then that is, well, I hope
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you agree.
They're really attractive, right?
Yeah.
Guys, you can see it, but when I told this story, Eileen started undressing, which is
inappropriate, like that's inappropriate.
But sorry, you told the story.
But yeah, so it sounds like we agree on those things.
You gave the example of a guy doing meth and nerdy shit at night and during the day he's
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going to the gym.
Going to the gym.
No, that's like a specific person I'm talking to literally like looks like he could just
be such a player.
Honestly, he probably was or can be like he easily could just sweep up, right?
The looks are there, but like, for example, someone like me just looks, it's actually
like a red flag if you're too good looking because I'm not looking for a good time.
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I'm looking for a real connection.
And so I almost wouldn't give someone like him a chance.
But then when we started talking, I was like, oh, like, I thought he was up every night
till 4am, partying, but he's like, no, I'm doing a Python coding.
And I was like, wow, okay, boring, but great.
Amazing.
And then like, boring, but great.
Yeah.
I was like, okay.
I was like, I'm a kind of guy that like if we started dating, he can go sleep around.
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He can do this.
He does it.
He doesn't do it because he wants to though.
He does it because he feels like he's supposed to because he's like, that's how a lot of
men feel.
Right?
Like, oh, I need to show that I can do this stuff.
And so yeah, it's interesting.
And like even not good looking people.
Like the two people I dated that I was in a long term relationships with were not good
looking like objectively compared to what I could have dated, if that makes sense.
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I didn't care.
Like that's not what I was optimizing for.
Yeah.
that I've seen and know a lot of guys that are way less good looking than their girlfriends.
I think the whole traditional thing where the guy cares a bit more about the girl, about
the looks and girl cares a bit more about his drive and whatever.
That is definitely true.
And I guess it just depends on what everyone is looking for, right?
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You learn lessons from who you're attracted to, right?
Whoever you're attracted to, it's because there's something like you need to learn from
each other.
Yeah, and well usually, or I'm not sure if usually it's true often, that is something
that you wish you had, but you don't have it yet.
That's literally what I'm doing now.
That's why I'm dating all these emotionally advanced compared to me men, because I feel
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emotionally not the most advanced.
And so I'm like, teach me.
How do I communicate better?
How do I say what I'm thinking instead of feeling shy?
And yeah, that's true for me.
That's probably also then one of the reasons why you liked our mutual friend.
Yes, 100%.
Because he's really good at that shit.
Yeah, like he is to a degree.
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Yeah, he is.
But that's one thing I really liked about him is he was like, I go to therapy, I go to
there, like all this different stuff.
I read all these books about improving.
He would bring up kind of difficult conversation topics.
He was direct about what he was thinking.
Yeah, so I really liked that.
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That was really good.
Yeah, I think he's really good at that.
He also helped me with that stuff.
But okay, that's irrelevant outside the world.
It's relevant.
I know who people decide to date and why.
He's the person I dated the longest since I was in the seven year relationship.
So it's kind of relevant.
Yeah, guys, we have to adjust.
We're adjusting our bodies.
Laying on the floor for 24 minutes is painful for an old man.
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And woman.
And an old woman.
You're also old.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, that's better.
Okay, just a random question again.
I find that an exciting question.
What is currently the biggest turn on for you in guys?
And it cannot be that they're really good at communicating.
That you just mentioned.
Currently when they are locked in on me.
Currently.
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But what if it's a guy that you're not just not into and he's locked in on you?
Obviously I have to be into them.
Like, let's say there's 10 guys I'm into, which at any given time, there are.
There are like at least 10 guys talking to me that are all amazing.
If one of them is locked in, let me see if this is true.
Let me think it through.
Yeah, I also have my-
Let me think it through.
You think about it while I speak.
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Because I would say, no, actually I would not say I'm already going to disagree.
I'm willing to bet, not money because you have enough of that.
I'm willing to bet health.
Whatever.
I don't know.
I'm willing to bet something that if there's at this point, 10 guys talking to you and
they're all pretty cool, but one of them is clearly more locked into you than the other
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ones.
I don't think that's going to do him well.
Well, maybe I actually have to like them because there is someone who's really locked
in and I really like it.
But he's also really good at what I said, communication, direct.
He's the best also at that, but you didn't allow me to say that.
But he is the best at that.
He's the one who brought up like, I'm not rich or this.
And so I like all these other guys that are in contact in some way chatting or whatever.
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I think you're right actually.
I don't think being locked in is-
No, because I was just going to say, let's say this exact guy that you're thinking about,
he's locked in.
What if he weren't locked in yet?
No, because there's also other ones who are locked in and I'm not as into them, but they're
clearly locked in.
But they don't maybe have, yeah, I think I'm just into him.
Look, I'll tell you what it is, being really locked in or sold on someone or showing that
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you really want them.
If it happens too early, if it happens to us before we are really convinced of that person's
value, if we really attract it, then it's almost always a bad thing.
Yeah, you're right.
It's better if you had to work for it for a while and in general-
I have to work for it or they have to work for it?
If you feel like you had to win a guy over and he wasn't sold on you straight away, you'll
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appreciate him more.
Yeah.
Aline's laughing because we're hand shaking.
We've come to agreement.
She's come to agree that we are right because the viewer identified with me, right?
It's all of us against you.
Great.
Great.
What do I know?
I'm still single.
Don't listen to anything I say.
I'm 27, which is four years less experience than me.
Yeah.
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You've done even worse.
Even worse.
And then a seven-year relationship.
I'm essentially still over a hundred.
Actually that's very impressive too.
Like a seven-year relationship teaches you a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did learn a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And all of those other things that you know and haven't uncovered today will unpack
them another time.
Great.
If my viewers appreciated listeners actually, there is no video.
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Yeah.
You guys have been deprived of Aline on her bedroom floor.
Lying on the floor.
Contorting.
Yeah.
Yeah, guys.
Let me know in the Spotify comments or just give me another five-star review because you
know I'm a little, I was going to say slut.
Yeah.
I'm a little slut for those because I told Aline, here's my podcast.
It's still very small.
She was like, oh, but you have these reviews.
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That's good.
It was good.
Thanks guys.
I'm going to leave a review.
Yeah.
Nice.
I'll see by the numbers, by the math that I'll do at night to impress my girlfriend.
Every night before bed.
All right.
Cool.
Thanks, Aline.
Thank you so much.
Any last words to the guys?
Listen to him.
Listen to him.
He knows more than me.
Yeah.
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Listen to me.
Listen to him.
He's the one with a girlfriend.
So.
Goodbye.
Welcome to another episode of What Your Dad Didn't Teach You.
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Today I have a special guest.
I didn't expect to insult the listener so early on in this journey, but today, listener,
your dad is your mom because we have the first woman on the podcast.
Yeah.
Hello, Aline.
Hi, it's your mom.
She actually has a lot of dating knowledge.
So disregard that immature intro.
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Aline, I don't know super much about you, but well, you dated one of my best friends and
that's how I got to know you.
You're actively dating right now and you have a lot of cool stories, I think.
So I'm very curious about a lot of things that you and all your hot and popular girlfriends
think about dating and that's why you're here.
Great.
Thanks for having me.
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Can't wait to share.
Yeah.
Actually, I think I have to set the scene.
We're right now in Aline's room on the floor, like two high school girls gossiping, but
it's recorded.
So we just went to grab a coffee and you told me a little bit more about yourself because
I don't know you very well.
And very interesting to give the podcast a good start.
You dated some super big shot guys and then ended up not dating them anymore.
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And yeah, you started telling reasons of why you weren't dating them anymore and what was
good and maybe let's get about them.
Well, maybe you can tell a little bit more about yourself because also my guys here have
no clue who you are.
My name is Aline.
I was born and raised in Los Angeles in the school years and Israel in the summer.
My mom's American dad's Israeli.
My mom is Mormon.
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So I was raised in a very conservative religion and background.
So no like sex before marriage, that kind of thing, very strict.
Then when I was 27, when I was 22, I got married in my religion to another Mormon, left the
religion when I was 26.
We got a divorce.
Me and him also built a company together.
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So I do business things also and sold that when we got divorced.
Even when I was 27, I started doing a social media career about like human rights, social
issues, quit that a few years ago because I got tired of it.
I was in a seven year relationship with another social media guy.
That was a very public relationship.
And what I find interesting about both of these relationships is that both of them started
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when I had like me and my ex-husband, he had nothing when we met.
Like he was eating ramen.
He would like, he told me in the semester we met at university, he ate 96 packets of
ramen because he had no money for food.
He slept under his cousin's bed.
Like he didn't have a bed.
Like he slept under his cousin's bunk bed.
And then when we divorced, he was a millionaire and very successful and on Forbes 30 under
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30 and worked with like the biggest celebrities in the world, Ronaldo, all these people.
And we divorced.
And then with my next partner, when we met same thing, he had 10,000 followers.
He had $60,000.
This is all public information.
I'm not saying anything private about them to be clear.
And then when we broke up, he had lots of money.
I'm not going to say how much because maybe that's not public and 70, 70 million followers.
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So 70.
Yeah.
I'm not the biggest Instagram connoisseur, but is that not like world's top tier level?
He's one of the biggest creators in the world.
And like all of our, like we would hang out with like the world's biggest creators and
the world's most famous men and people.
We would hang out with literally Bill Gates.
Like we would hang out with literally like we would, but we were with Mr. Beast, who's
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the biggest creator online.
Like that, that was our social circle.
So and I still kind of left because that wasn't what I, what I wanted was not a famous social
circle.
What I wanted was like a great partner.
Yeah.
You said that earlier when we were drinking coffee, I thought that was pretty cool.
And on a recent episode, me and my buddy Nils talked about the red pill thing where those
guys believe status and money and looks, I think is all that matters.
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And it, well, Nils and I didn't really agree.
Don't agree.
And it was interesting to hear that echoed in your stories because you were with the
top, the top of the food chain dogs there.
And so your story echoes what my buddy Nils and I were saying that it's not all about
looks, looks, values.
So whatever status, status, because you were dating some guys that were at the top of that
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food chain.
And then you realized, Hey, I actually just want to hang out with people that I really
like rather than I'm exaggerating now, but rather than chilling with Mr. Beats and Bill
Gates in my living room.
Yeah, you're not even exaggerating.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's accurate.
Yeah.
And then of course you are a simple size one, right?
Maybe all other women in the world would never leave that life or that is all they want.
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I don't really believe so, to be honest.
I think it could keep women really happy for a long time, but I don't think it's that real
happiness, whatever it is, that real deep inside fulfillment.
Well, even when I was there and I'm like a very thoughtful person, I think a lot, even
when I was there, I was like, am I dumb?
Am I going to leave this life where I have a chauffeur and I have a chef and I have everything?
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I have everything.
Am I going to leave it because my boyfriend doesn't give me enough attention and I don't
feel like he respects me as much as he used to?
Am I literally an idiot?
I thought that.
I was like, maybe I'll leave and be like, oh my God, you literally are dumb.
Then I left and for the first year it was hard to go from everything in my life being
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catered to having to take care of myself completely, which to be fair, I am always independent
to be clear, but still everything was taken care of, right?
And then going to not having that and now I'm so much happier.
I'm so happy.
I've done it.
I've done it essentially twice, going through that first divorce.
To be fair, he divorced me, but still it happened and I had to recover and rebuild and thinking
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I'll never find something better.
I'll never find someone better.
That's what I thought after my first ex.
I was like, I'll never find someone better.
My next person was so much better for me and just objectively.
And then same with this person, maybe I'm going to find someone better, but not as in
more rich or more famous, but better for me and I'm so much happier.
I'm so much happier now.
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All my friends that meet me now versus like two years ago, they're like, oh my God, you're
so much brighter and more energetic and you're more yourself again.
And I wouldn't have noticed.
Yeah.
Now you're content laying on the carpet floor.
To be fair, we are in a beautiful villa.
Yeah, but you're on one of the smallest podcasts in the world.
And you know what's funny is like, I would get invited to really big podcasts and I don't
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necessarily want to go.
I would rather do a podcast where it's someone I know and I like and it's not about like,
hey, how many in the past people would constantly email me to be on podcasts and I'd be like,
how many listeners they need to have at least a million?
Because I have millions of followers.
How would I go on a podcast without at least a million listeners?
It was all this like measuring game, which some people like and I'm not saying it's
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bad, but like for me, I don't like it.
And for me, it's draining and like, oh, I just want to like have a conversation with
you that we'd have anyways, right?
Yeah.
Fun.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
I mean, I've nowhere, I've been nowhere near all the success you're describing, right?
But I live a good life and I'm already thinking a lot of things that I wanted back in the day,
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dating goals and the type of women it would have to be and yeah, really bigger business,
more success.
And now I'm like, I actually have quite a lot and I'd like to just work less and chill
more.
So for example, I started playing World of Warcraft again this year.
I haven't played it in 15 years.
When I played, I was a virgin kind of a, that was a painful time where all the, my journey
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started into, I need to learn how to do dating because I'm a 23 year old virgin, right?
But you were 23.
Yeah.
Just under 23.
That's like later.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Because you couldn't or because you didn't want to.
I couldn't.
What?
That's crazy.
Yeah.
Look at me now.
But of course you're, you see my biceps and you're like, how is that possible?
Yeah, I've only met you now and I'm like, it seems like it would be easy.
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Well now it's easy.
Back then it was not easy.
But anyway, oh yeah.
So then in my mind it was like, World of Warcraft is bad.
Like that's what I did.
I mean the whole of society things that's kind of bad and that's what giga nerds do.
I mean, I am a giga nerd, I guess.
But so it was in my mind, you shouldn't do that and you have to work harder.
And then of course I had no money at all.
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I think I never had more than 1000 bucks on my account in that year and the coming years.
So it's like, okay, I have to work, I have to work, I have to work, I have to work and
you shouldn't play games.
And only this year I realized, man, I kind of really like playing those games and I play
with two good friends and we talk to each other on and we live in different countries
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so we can stay in touch.
It's really nice and I can combine that with my business but I was so brainwashed to not
do things like that.
Also do you know Hormozzi, the business coach?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I love his advice.
I think there's a lot of good stuff.
But he's like, you know, he wants to work 20 hours per 24 hours and that's what he loves.
Yeah.
But so I always felt a bit bad that I'm not doing that and now I realized, man, that really
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isn't my jam.
I'm really happy with less money and playing some games that I really like.
I'm not playing the game to run away from a lot of stuff.
I just really like it.
But yeah, that whole, as usual, I forgot why I'm saying what I'm saying, but I think
it relates back to, oh yeah, you had that whole, the dream life for any girl that wants
to have a high value guy.
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And they're like, oh, actually I don't need all the driver and the chef and anything.
I'd rather stare at some biceps on the floor of my room.
I think that's how you phrased it.
I verbatim.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Approximately.
Yeah.
Interesting though.
I think I came to similar expectations, although you are talking specifically dating and I'm
not.
Well, a lot of what we do is like ego, right?
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So even what you described for yourself, and I'm not an expert on any of this, I'm learning
for myself also even now, being single for the first time in like seven years.
But like a lot of what we both do, what we both described is a little bit like ego.
So like I was like, oh, I need to date someone really smart because I'm really smart.
I need to date someone really like this and that will show people that I'm worthy.
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And like for you, it sounds like maybe in the past you had a little like, oh, I shouldn't
play World of Warcraft because that's not like you didn't associate it with like a cool,
successful guy or like this, the kind of guy that girls would want to sleep with wouldn't
do or be with wouldn't want to do XYZ.
So I think like what I've been going through the last few little bit in dating is being
like, oh, maybe I just want something really simple.
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Like maybe I just want like a cool person who's like very deep inside.
Maybe they're not deep in the world of members clubs and socializing and the world that I
was in, maybe they're deep.
They've done a lot of deep internal work and that's like a world I don't know and that
they can show me that world, right?
Like I don't know.
So it's interesting.
Yeah.
Like I don't have all the answers, but like I think ego plays a lot into like what we
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think we want and kind of tricks us sometimes.
Yeah, 100%.
And what you just said is really, it's going to hopefully put a smile to a lot of my viewers
because a lot of the guys that follow my brand, they have worked on themselves a lot and understand
themselves quite well and getting better and better and better.
So for them to hear that, you know, quality women are out looking for guys like them.
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That's nice.
100%.
Although I have to be fair and we discussed this briefly before too.
You still live a nice, like you still have a luxurious lifestyle, right?
Yeah.
And it's not not a lifestyle that all the guys can just keep up with.
So I'll tell you a story, a recent story.
So essentially like up until recently, I was telling you over our breakfast, I thought
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I needed someone who had like a similar income to me.
I didn't think they need to have more than me, but just similar, right?
Similar lifestyle.
I was sure about that.
And then I met someone, I just, we've only gone on three dates, so it could go nowhere,
it could explode.
He could be insane.
I don't know.
But the point is he is so good at communicating.
It made me like so drawn to him.
And sure, maybe he's not my person, but like I could easily date men right now and use
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my time for very rich, successful men.
And I'm not, I'm giving this guy who has almost no money all my time because he has
such emotional like depth.
And like he literally said to me on our third date, he's like, what's your biggest insecurity?
I told him, he's like, one of mine is like that I'm not rich.
And I was like, that's so like, that made me like him so much.
Me, I'm not every girl's the same.
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Some girls won't like him.
Some girls will leave him.
He went on a date with this Russian girl and she was like,
I was just going to say every Russian, every Eastern European girl is not like, you're
not rich.
Goodbye.
Yeah.
And you know what?
If you're the kind of guy who wants that kind of girl, you need to do, you either need
to accept that and get money.
But like this kind of guy wants, I think a real connection and the kind of girl who wants
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real connection isn't going to care.
Right.
So I don't want a guy who wants a trophy wife.
I don't want to be hot all the time.
I don't want to be pretty all the time.
I want a guy who likes me when I don't think I look good.
You know, that's one thing I loved about my ex.
When I dated him, he had very little money and zero like no follow.
It was, I liked him and he thought I looked beautiful when I thought I looked horrific.
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Like, what did you like about him then?
When I dated him.
Yeah.
So before he had any money or all the cool stuff, I could just feel like he was smart.
He went to Harvard.
So I knew he was smart at least.
Yeah.
But you didn't have money or success, but I was like, I can see potential.
As you can see with both my relationships, when they started, there was nothing.
When they ended, there was a lot.
Yeah.
Quickly to interrupt you or like chip in.
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I think for women, feeling the potential is hotter than already made it almost.
Yeah.
And I think it depends on the woman and what phase they are in life.
Right.
Like I'm 35.
So to a lot of men, they might be like, oh, you're way too old.
I only want to date 20 some things.
But energetically because I started my life so late, I am kind of like a 20 something.
But with.
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Yeah.
You told me your age earlier and I was also really surprised.
Yeah.
Well, you look younger, but also your energy is way younger.
Yeah.
And like I didn't have sex until I was 27.
So I started kind of like, I didn't drink alcohol really till I was 27.
And I then I was in a seven year relationship.
So I feel like really I'm like 20.
I feel like my life started two years ago and I am kind of catching up.
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Right.
In some ways.
But yeah, like that's why also with me and dating, I try not to look at the age too much
also for the men.
Like I will date way younger or way older.
Because I'm like, I'm not a typical 35 year old.
So why should I judge other people based on if he's 54 or 24?
You know, yeah.
Interesting.
When you're telling your story, there's so many things I want to talk about.
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And then I just I'm like, no, you should just listen.
And then I forgot what I forget what I want to talk about, you know, it's fine.
Okay.
Very standard question.
Just I've been working on some videos.
I told you about red flags and green flags in women.
Top of your head.
Really big red flag for men.
That women see in men.
For you personally, if you see this red flag, this guy shows off too much.
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It shows to me lack of confidence.
It shows to me lack of confidence.
And that's like one of the most unsexy things.
Like I love a man who's comfortable with himself.
Like for example, the guy that I'm going on some dates with right now that says he's
not rich and you know, whatever.
I was at a really nice dinner last night and I was like, hmm, if he was here, I wonder
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like he would probably think I'm judging him because he wouldn't probably normally be
able to do a dinner like this.
But actually I'd be observing if he feels comfortable or not.
And if he's able to just like hang out and relax and not worry about seeming like a man,
does that make sense?
And that's what would make him manly to me is that he's just so comfortable around people
because he's comfortable with himself.
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You know, that's really good.
So red flag showing off and then the green flag is your sort of comfortable wherever
you are, even if it's outside your usual with yourself because it's your comfortable.
It doesn't mean you can never be anxious or be like, Hey, I'm not used to these social
situations.
Can you give me like a heads up?
Like, but even saying that is showing that you're comfortable admitting that.
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Right.
Yeah.
That's something that I learned only this year with my girlfriend too, because I would
confess some things that were not about myself that are not the traditional super cool alpha
guy and every time she then in the moment or later told me that she found that's so attractive
that I shared those things.
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I mean, the best guys, like, I mean, I can say this because mostly guys listen to your
podcast.
I don't even want to tell all the girls this the smartest girls know that the best guys
are like the slightly nerdy guys who are also a little good looking.
Like my best friend married this guy who looks really handsome, but is essentially a nerd.
Like somebody, another person I've been talking to for a few months is essentially like a math
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nerd.
And he's like you.
He just like stays up at night on his computer and like does math, but he's really cool.
You know what I mean?
So like that's kind of a hack.
Like if you're a guy, like a girls, like the nerdy guys that, you know, you also go to
the gym, like you use your nerdiness to like learn how to work out and like how to be fit.
Yeah.
But then you don't want to party and yeah.
No, that's good.
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So I think I don't know all the podcast listeners, right?
Yeah.
At this point, most of them are guys that have been following me for a while.
And what I can say for those guys, for newer listeners that found me somehow, I don't know
who you are welcome, but the guys that I do know, they're always over average intelligence.
Some of them are just ridiculously bright.
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They're almost always a bit more nerdy and logical minded.
Um, because that's just the guys that struggle with dating.
And luckily the guys that then come to me are also smart enough to realize it about themselves
and they want to change it.
So I think that's great.
And then if we can add that other side, they already have the nerdiness and then we either
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it could be surface level things like you mentioned, the good looks, they can become better looking
like there's some guys currently in my program and I just give them some instructions to change
their hair and glasses and facial hair and some outfits.
And it's a million times better.
So much.
I wish I had this and this and this you have, but um, yeah, so that, and then of course the
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whole more their inner world and their mindset and stuff, we would change them to a bit,
you know, a quote unquote better looking and then they're finished.
Cause one of the things I really believe in a lot is that the most attractive guys are
the ones that, you know, those memes get you a guy that can do both and then it'll be the
more traditional masculine or the rougher guy things.
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And then you pair it with more feminine stuff or more nerdy stuff.
So to give an example about myself, I'll do boxing and gym and I love sports or cliff
jumping, those more like traditional masculine things, but I also love skincare, watching
Love Island and playing World of Warcraft.
And if you do them both and you're fine with showing them both, then that is, well, I hope
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you agree.
They're really attractive, right?
Yeah.
Guys, you can see it, but when I told this story, Eileen started undressing, which is
inappropriate, like that's inappropriate.
But sorry, you told the story.
But yeah, so it sounds like we agree on those things.
You gave the example of a guy doing meth and nerdy shit at night and during the day he's
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going to the gym.
Going to the gym.
No, that's like a specific person I'm talking to literally like looks like he could just
be such a player.
Honestly, he probably was or can be like he easily could just sweep up, right?
The looks are there, but like, for example, someone like me just looks, it's actually
like a red flag if you're too good looking because I'm not looking for a good time.
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I'm looking for a real connection.
And so I almost wouldn't give someone like him a chance.
But then when we started talking, I was like, oh, like, I thought he was up every night
till 4am, partying, but he's like, no, I'm doing a Python coding.
And I was like, wow, okay, boring, but great.
Amazing.
And then like, boring, but great.
Yeah.
I was like, okay.
I was like, I'm a kind of guy that like if we started dating, he can go sleep around.
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He can do this.
He does it.
He doesn't do it because he wants to though.
He does it because he feels like he's supposed to because he's like, that's how a lot of
men feel.
Right?
Like, oh, I need to show that I can do this stuff.
And so yeah, it's interesting.
And like even not good looking people.
Like the two people I dated that I was in a long term relationships with were not good
looking like objectively compared to what I could have dated, if that makes sense.
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I didn't care.
Like that's not what I was optimizing for.
Yeah.
that I've seen and know a lot of guys that are way less good looking than their girlfriends.
I think the whole traditional thing where the guy cares a bit more about the girl, about
the looks and girl cares a bit more about his drive and whatever.
That is definitely true.
And I guess it just depends on what everyone is looking for, right?
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You learn lessons from who you're attracted to, right?
Whoever you're attracted to, it's because there's something like you need to learn from
each other.
Yeah, and well usually, or I'm not sure if usually it's true often, that is something
that you wish you had, but you don't have it yet.
That's literally what I'm doing now.
That's why I'm dating all these emotionally advanced compared to me men, because I feel
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emotionally not the most advanced.
And so I'm like, teach me.
How do I communicate better?
How do I say what I'm thinking instead of feeling shy?
And yeah, that's true for me.
That's probably also then one of the reasons why you liked our mutual friend.
Yes, 100%.
Because he's really good at that shit.
Yeah, like he is to a degree.
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Yeah, he is.
But that's one thing I really liked about him is he was like, I go to therapy, I go to
there, like all this different stuff.
I read all these books about improving.
He would bring up kind of difficult conversation topics.
He was direct about what he was thinking.
Yeah, so I really liked that.
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That was really good.
Yeah, I think he's really good at that.
He also helped me with that stuff.
But okay, that's irrelevant outside the world.
It's relevant.
I know who people decide to date and why.
He's the person I dated the longest since I was in the seven year relationship.
So it's kind of relevant.
Yeah, guys, we have to adjust.
We're adjusting our bodies.
Laying on the floor for 24 minutes is painful for an old man.
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And woman.
And an old woman.
You're also old.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, that's better.
Okay, just a random question again.
I find that an exciting question.
What is currently the biggest turn on for you in guys?
And it cannot be that they're really good at communicating.
That you just mentioned.
Currently when they are locked in on me.
Currently.
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But what if it's a guy that you're not just not into and he's locked in on you?
Obviously I have to be into them.
Like, let's say there's 10 guys I'm into, which at any given time, there are.
There are like at least 10 guys talking to me that are all amazing.
If one of them is locked in, let me see if this is true.
Let me think it through.
Yeah, I also have my-
Let me think it through.
You think about it while I speak.
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Because I would say, no, actually I would not say I'm already going to disagree.
I'm willing to bet, not money because you have enough of that.
I'm willing to bet health.
Whatever.
I don't know.
I'm willing to bet something that if there's at this point, 10 guys talking to you and
they're all pretty cool, but one of them is clearly more locked into you than the other
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ones.
I don't think that's going to do him well.
Well, maybe I actually have to like them because there is someone who's really locked
in and I really like it.
But he's also really good at what I said, communication, direct.
He's the best also at that, but you didn't allow me to say that.
But he is the best at that.
He's the one who brought up like, I'm not rich or this.
And so I like all these other guys that are in contact in some way chatting or whatever.
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I think you're right actually.
I don't think being locked in is-
No, because I was just going to say, let's say this exact guy that you're thinking about,
he's locked in.
What if he weren't locked in yet?
No, because there's also other ones who are locked in and I'm not as into them, but they're
clearly locked in.
But they don't maybe have, yeah, I think I'm just into him.
Look, I'll tell you what it is, being really locked in or sold on someone or showing that
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you really want them.
If it happens too early, if it happens to us before we are really convinced of that person's
value, if we really attract it, then it's almost always a bad thing.
Yeah, you're right.
It's better if you had to work for it for a while and in general-
I have to work for it or they have to work for it?
If you feel like you had to win a guy over and he wasn't sold on you straight away, you'll
(24:13):
appreciate him more.
Yeah.
Aline's laughing because we're hand shaking.
We've come to agreement.
She's come to agree that we are right because the viewer identified with me, right?
It's all of us against you.
Great.
Great.
What do I know?
I'm still single.
Don't listen to anything I say.
I'm 27, which is four years less experience than me.
Yeah.
(24:34):
You've done even worse.
Even worse.
And then a seven-year relationship.
I'm essentially still over a hundred.
Actually that's very impressive too.
Like a seven-year relationship teaches you a lot of stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did learn a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And all of those other things that you know and haven't uncovered today will unpack
them another time.
Great.
If my viewers appreciated listeners actually, there is no video.
(24:57):
Yeah.
You guys have been deprived of Aline on her bedroom floor.
Lying on the floor.
Contorting.
Yeah.
Yeah, guys.
Let me know in the Spotify comments or just give me another five-star review because you
know I'm a little, I was going to say slut.
Yeah.
I'm a little slut for those because I told Aline, here's my podcast.
It's still very small.
She was like, oh, but you have these reviews.
(25:18):
That's good.
It was good.
Thanks guys.
I'm going to leave a review.
Yeah.
Nice.
I'll see by the numbers, by the math that I'll do at night to impress my girlfriend.
Every night before bed.
All right.
Cool.
Thanks, Aline.
Thank you so much.
Any last words to the guys?
Listen to him.
Listen to him.
He knows more than me.
Yeah.
(25:39):
Listen to me.
Listen to him.
He's the one with a girlfriend.
So.
Goodbye.
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