December 14, 2024 • 28 mins
Rejection hurts, but it also fuels transformation. In this episode, we share personal stories of overcoming dating struggles, the power of persistence, and how to channel pain into progress.
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Welcome in the second episode of TextGod.com podcast.
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I'm joined with Dan again before next week.
We dive into an episode with a special guest, but today we're going to talk about pain.
Your pain every single time you felt fucking shit because you couldn't get the girl
you wanted. You felt like you weren't worthy.
You felt like you weren't good enough.
Whatever sorts of pain and frustration it sucks ass.
We've all been there and today you're going to learn how to be happy that you're
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feeling it or felt it or both and turn it into magnificent, unstoppable amounts
of dating success. Right, Dan.
Hail, yes. I mean, your why in this whole dating journey is just huge.
Why do you do this?
So I think it's a very good starting point to look at that and to share some of our
own stories. Why do you go on this massive journey to pick up girls across the world
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and even teach guys that it's just very relevant for nearly 15 years straight?
Yes.
What sort of pain have you been through, Dan, to become such a monster?
For me personally, it's a whole compilation of painful stories.
One of the most painful is that I was friend zoned for two years and I would go
over to this girl's house every night and I would sit in this like old stupid chair
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and she would lay on the bed.
I made like this little CD for her with like hip hop tracks that I liked to like
get into her heart and we would just discuss like politics and history and what
our future would be like, like not together, but plans.
And one night I bring my best friend over and I think it's a good idea, right?
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So I sit on the chair.
He lays next to her on the bed, just chilling.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that's different.
And I'm still talking with her and he's just like making a little joke here and
there doesn't say too much and she starts to caress his hair and put her fingers
through his hair and how do that feel?
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That's different.
Did you just think, oh, that's different?
I was like, oh, I guess that's something you can do.
I was just not even in that.
Yeah, how old were you?
17.
Were you like so dumb?
No offense, were you like so dumb that you're you didn't understand that you were
already fucked like it's game over?
I was clueless.
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I was absolutely clueless.
I'm so friendzoned and I would come over twice a week for years, two years.
And he gets further than I do in the night.
So eventually the sun goes down in the summer night.
It gets dark and can't see that much in the room.
She's like, oh, I'm getting cold.
So they get like kind of a blanket and I can't even see them.
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Like they literally disappear underneath the blanket.
My hip hop CD is playing, but it's the last track.
It has been silent for like 10 minutes.
Now the music also stops.
I'm just in a silent room with my mega crush.
I fantasize myself to sleep every night like thinking of her.
My mega crush, my best friend underneath the blanket.
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I'm like, I need to get out of here.
So I say that.
So then you realize like maybe they're they like each other.
I mean, I realized like they are obviously vibing
romantically and much more than I ever had gotten.
But I was probably still in denial, to be honest.
So it's silent.
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I get up and I'm like, I go and my friend is like, oh, I'll join you, bro.
So, you know, we both got outside the door closes.
The first thing he says, like, I smell my fingers and I'm like, oh, my God.
I give it a little sniff.
No, I didn't do that.
Bro, oh my God.
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No, but yeah, usually painful and obviously a complete wake up call.
I've no clue about dating whatsoever because I just wasted two years of my life
pursuing this girl and oh, yeah.
And at that time, two years is even longer than now because you were only 17.
So it's a considerable chunk of your life.
It's 10 percent of my life.
How long did that pain stay?
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Yeah, I was like super bitter.
Like I didn't really lash out at her, but I didn't go buy her house for months.
Yeah, I was very about her.
It's funny, right?
You're angry at the girl, not at the guy.
Yeah, interesting, too.
And not at yourself.
Yeah, I guess a combination.
I mean, I have a ton of stories like this, but yeah, like that was really one of
the first wake up calls, like, oh, my God, I'm clueless.
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What was it for you?
Well, I have many painful stories of rejection and not knowing what to do.
But for me, the biggest pain that drove me to become too good with girls.
So it feels super douchey to say, but the biggest pain that drove me there was, I
would say, being biologically fucked over.
I only got into puberty at 19.
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And so to make it very simple, very clear and kind of visual, unfortunately,
I guess most guys 13, 14, you get into puberty, your voice changes to get hair
under your arms and on top of your cock.
Anyway, for me, that only happened when I was 19.
So let's say that most guys get at 13, then I'm like six years behind.
And six years is an incredibly long time to be the only person that is different
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than your peers.
That's kind of all you want at that age is to fit in.
It's not like I was severely bullied, but you can't really be with girls when
you're the only guy that's still a boy, because that also means throughout the
whole of high school, I was the only one who hadn't had puberty and throughout
most of the university as well.
That made me fall so far behind with girls because I didn't do anything.
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Throughout whole high school, whole university, nothing like no experiences.
No dates, anything.
No, because I was so far behind and I kept falling more behind because people
are gathering experiences and I wasn't.
You become more and more afraid and more and more feeling like you have no clue
what to do and the barrier to take action becomes bigger and bigger because the
problem becomes bigger and bigger.
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Right.
Were you afraid you never would hit puberty?
No, I knew I would hit it because my dad was later and my uncle were later.
So they comforted me like, hey, don't worry, we had it too.
But they didn't have to wait as long as me.
But then we also went to doctors and they made photos of my bones and they're like,
yeah, you're still going to grow.
The growth bone is still there.
It's going to come.
You just need to be patient.
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Yeah.
And so you are patient.
I guess it's the only thing you can do, but it was very lonely.
Oh, I bet.
You start to compare yourself with others.
Yeah.
I also remember like a point in school where I think I was 15 and I know, guys,
if you're listening, it sounds like, OK, that's so long ago.
But those are formative years and I'm 15 and everyone's into puberty.
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And at one point I was with two girls that I really liked.
Both of them were popular.
So here's the tricky thing.
I'm completely behind looks wise and physiologically.
But I still was kind of friends with the cool kids because when you're physically
so weak, you have to develop another way to survive.
And so for me, that became wittiness and jokes, making people laugh.
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And so I still belong to like I didn't get bullied.
But now I'm like, I guess it wasn't really painful.
But I guess it must have been or really must have made a big impact because I still remember.
It's like when I'm 15, I'm sitting outside on the playground left and right of me are
two of these cool girls that I'm secretly crushing on.
But I'm obviously friends on.
And at one point one of them was like, hey, but you know, like Louis doesn't even have
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hair on his legs and they like lift up my pants to look at my legs and they're
laughing like, oh, what the hell?
It's like zero hair.
And I was kind of used to the type of stuff already because yeah, I mean,
but it is painful, right?
It just reinforces like you're the odd one out.
Yeah.
And you don't have what is needed to get girls or at least I thoroughly believe so.
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Yeah.
And I can imagine a lot of guys have that with something similar.
Oh, I'm too dot, dot, dot fat, right?
Too short to.
Too poor. My family is too poor.
I've heard that before.
For guys listening, it doesn't matter whatever belief it is you had or whatever
sets you behind, whatever fucked you over, whatever caused you pain.
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It doesn't matter.
And if you aren't on our email list, subscribe.
There's a link somewhere because you get a lot of tips there for free.
I'm bringing this up right now because I know that we've sent we have an email
that we've sent out where it's super harsh, but where we wish our reader like, hey,
I know you've been through some painful shit in your youth and I wish it were way
more like I wish you felt way more shit.
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And sometimes the readers react to it and are like, fuck you, dude, like what the hell?
But there's also guys that appreciate the message.
And the reason we say that is and that's why we're also this is the topic of this
podcast, because that pain becomes your fuel like neither you, Dan, nor me would
have ever dated the girls that we now like so much if it weren't for that pain.
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That shit becomes manure.
Absolutely.
Like an every of those stories, it just made me relate
better to clients, made me motivated more to date something, somebody better or
more healthy, it's all fuel.
Like you can burn it up, but just don't let it consume you.
That's the worst.
Slow is your main why?
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Well, I was just super lonely.
Right.
So overcoming loneliness or not?
Yeah, for sure.
I've never been with a girl.
I never had a relationship.
It took me 21 years to get a kiss.
One, I think just before my 23rd, I lost my virginity.
So it's just a long ass time of, you know, you see romance with your friends.
You have crushes in school, but you never have the balls or the belief that you
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can make it work so you're not doing anything.
And it's like very relatable.
What you said, you said for two years, you fell asleep imagining things with that girl.
Yes, like when I was in bed at night, super lonely, fucking sad.
Feel a bit better by imagining the girl was there.
And you know, you're spooning, falling asleep.
You can imagine how good it would be.
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And that's how you fall asleep.
And the next day you don't do jack fucking shit.
I was so powerless.
I would like always imagine things where success is forced onto me by like outside world.
I would imagine with my first crush, even before this, that's, you know,
like I would go on a school trip and there wouldn't be enough beds.
And so I have to sleep in the same bed and cuddle with her.
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And then she starts liking you.
Yeah. Or, you know, you get stuck in an elevator.
Really such scenarios, because I don't think I had any other way to even imagine
myself having success, but I don't think that I'm not sure if there's like one big reason.
I think it's many.
Like one of the reasons for me as well is just the pain of other guys just having
that success or having that story.
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And I would look up to that massively like somebody having a one night stand for me.
That was like, fuck, I want to have that.
And just the frustration of not being able to share something like that.
That was a huge pain.
I just needed to eradicate.
I don't want to feel that.
I don't want to be that guy not having the story that would just make my sense of
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self worth just dropped to the floor.
How did you decide to start learning how to be an attractive guy?
How do like, OK, now I want to be able to flirt.
When did you decide I came out of a relationship and she really just picked me.
She just picked me.
That's going to be my boyfriend.
And I just kind of went along with it.
And she was somewhat attractive, not my ideal woman.
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And she was emotionally very unstable.
It wasn't a great relationship at all.
A lot of drama.
We were both a bit like kids in a way.
We didn't have a lot of sex at all once a month, maybe.
So that relationship ended in one big drama as well.
And after that, there was like a period of months where I didn't have any dates
whatsoever. And I was pretty young, like 21, 22, I don't know.
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I was very young.
And I'm not having dates.
I didn't pick my last relationship.
I got picked. I need to get this handled.
And then I just start reading online and I figure out very quickly.
I suck at this.
So I just signed up for like trainings.
So you read some articles online.
You realize you suck.
You found a training and you and you enrolled.
Well, I tried to go out once.
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I mean, we should do another episode of just like the first approach.
But like, I just try to go out once and it just sucks so badly.
You know, if I'm going to learn this at my own pace,
that's going to take millions of years.
I need somebody to just tell me, do this, do that.
Yeah.
For you. Like what was the last straw?
For me, when I finally got into puberty and my body started evolving
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and I was like, OK, I'm becoming normal, I guess.
At least now I'm one of the guys, you know, no longer a kid.
But I was already so late, so old.
And then it still took me two years to get that first kiss.
And then I finally lost my virginity in the States in California.
That's kind of funny.
It's one of the reasons, honestly, why I went there as soon as I graduated.
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I'm like, fuck all this shit.
I feel so fucking shit.
I feel so fucking lonely.
I'm going to go to the States because every time I was lonely,
I was watching these romantic drama shows, these universe college shows.
And, you know, there's all they're all about the Romans and the cool
joke with the popular girl and some drama and just just all I also wanted
an experience like that.
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But all those stories always happen in the States.
So I took what little money I had.
So I fly to the fucking States with my best friend at the time.
And we're there for three months.
And it's not like I was a good data, right?
I hadn't I had no experience and I was a virgin.
But at least I was a foreigner, which made me a little bit more attractive now.
Because he speaks a different language and he's from Europe,
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from small little Belgium.
Not something that an American meets all the time.
So I was a little bit more interesting already.
And then, you know, you meet some people and I also because I was poor,
I was couchsurfing.
And of course, I only applied at girls houses to sleep.
And then, you know, you get a little bit more flirty interactions sometime
because you're a foreigner from Europe sleeping in their house.
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And so more flirty stuff was happening.
And one day I was invited to go to someone's house party.
I was couchsurfing at a guy's house.
He introduced me to a friend of his that friend was throwing a party.
And so I could also go and there I met a girl.
And I guess we kind of hit it off a bit.
I didn't really know what I was doing or whatever, but I liked her.
And I guess she liked me back.
And I lost my virginity that night at the house party.
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No, we went from the house party then to another place where I was sleeping in Compton.
The house party was in Compton.
Yeah, it was a little little small virgin boy at a house party in Compton.
And I was just under 23.
So it's like 12 years ago. So it was everyone was telling us not to go to Compton back then.
Like, don't do it. It's too dangerous.
But my buddy who lived there is like, don't worry.
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And so random, he was a bouncer at a strip club.
And I was this little.
He's a bouncer.
Just go, bro, it's fine in Compton.
I never had any issues there.
Yeah, you're a bouncer in strip.
I just hit puberty one year ago and I'm from Belgium.
But and you know what?
The girl that I lost my virginity to was also an outsider there.
She also came with a friend and she was like way too posh and rich to belong there.
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She was like from a very wealthy family.
You asked me what drove me to learn these things.
So but then I had a taste.
I'm like, OK, I've been with a girl when I came back from the States.
I had my first experience.
I was like, damn, OK, how do you do this?
Like, I was just lucky what needs to happen.
And then just like you, I started browsing and I discovered that there was these forums back then.
It was all just called pick up rights.
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And it was the advice back then was more tricks.
It was all like a bunch do these tricks and say these things and do a first and BNC routines.
But whatever, it was something that gave me hope like, oh, OK, maybe I can learn it.
And then I started practicing a bit.
I tried to get some friends involved as well, because when I learned this, I was like, dude,
you can learn this. What the fuck? How good is this?
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But I didn't realize that I had sat on this massive pain for fucking 10 years long.
So I was super driven to change this situation.
But whenever I told my friends, they're like, oh, I guess it's kind of cool.
And some showed some interest, like, OK, yeah, it seems nice to learn.
But they didn't want to do it.
Me, I think at the time I didn't understand.
But of course, now in hindsight, it's like, yeah, they had already they all had a normal dating life.
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They had been with girls.
Maybe it was not their dream girl, but they had relationships that been with girls.
They had been to a club and then randomly been with girls and they didn't have that drive.
So that's the danger of having mild success.
Like they don't need they miss this big why.
And you can't see it if you're like us.
When you have all that pain, you just like, this is the greatest thing ever.
Like, why are you not as enthusiastic?
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It's funny that you say there's a danger when you have mild success.
Yeah. I guess also for guys listening to this, most of them will relate.
They're just not happy with their dating life and they have have or are going through pain or frustration.
Or, you know, you won't change.
I would say in a way you're lucky because that's going to land you in a position that's where you're way better off
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than those guys with some success because they they don't have that pain.
And you know, you really need you need some good fuel.
You need good drive to it's not easy.
Let's be real. It's not easy to get good at dating.
And so you can only do it if you have enough drive and those guys with mediocre success.
I see it. The guys that were like doing OK in high school and in uni, many of them later
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they fell off a bit and they had they don't have the best relationships or like you're like, holy shit, like sorry.
But how could how could he date her?
Yeah. Yeah, I've seen a lot of times, even with the most popular guys, they just get lazy.
Maybe it's also interesting to talk about the dark side of this.
Why? Because like doing it all from pain is that all good?
Like, does it make your intentions convoluted?
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It's probably not all good. Right.
I mean, both you and me have been in the scene for over a decade, man, nearing 15 years now.
And I've seen everything. I've seen guys that come into this world for a little bit.
They learn how to date. They work on themselves a bit, learn how to express themselves better.
And they do it all quite well without much manipulation tricks.
And they find a good girl and they're gone. You know, it's problem solved.
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And then there's guys that take it way too far and they like in the most shallow level
and try to feel like an endless pit of need more, more, more, more validation from girls.
And then there's also guys that come in the pickup world and then especially back then,
it was also shallow with tricks.
And then suddenly they feel really bad because like, what the hell is this?
This is it's like the opposite of spiritual enlightenment.
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And then they go, they're like, fuck this fucking sucks. What am I doing?
This is empty. They go to a complete different direction and they become,
they start like an endless journey of spiritual.
I'm sure you've met them, right?
Yeah, happens a lot.
Pick up guys who just turn whatever monk. Yeah.
Yeah, that happens a lot.
And then honestly, I've seen some of those that it's kind of scary.
Like they now seem stuck in that journey.
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Yep.
That's like, seekers gonna seek, man.
Seekers gonna seek.
So there's a bit of everything, right?
And so for me, me personally, obviously, I was from completely deprived of intimacy with girls
and the right kind of attention from girls.
Suddenly I was starting to get it.
I was working on it, flirting skills.
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And then I also can't complain when finally my purity settled in over the years.
I became way better looking than before.
And so suddenly I had a good package of looks, the humor and stuff I had already developed
because it was my only survival mechanism when I was always the smallest guy around.
Like I wouldn't have been able to win a single fight against no one.
So, you know, the humor and the, the within us, like my words,
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I developed that pretty soon.
Suddenly my body caught up and then I learned dating and suddenly I was in a position where I could get
so many girls and then of course it becomes addictive and then you do it for one, too many years.
And the plus side of that is it made a business of Tech Scott where like we've helped literally
so many thousands of guys by now with our courses and I don't know how many hundreds with one on one
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trainings and whatever, but like we've really made a good impact on a lot of guys' lives.
So that's a good thing.
The bad thing is for me, like I took it a step too far and I only started learning more recently
how my attachment style wasn't the most healthy and then I also have to do some inner work
to break free from the lifestyle of just endlessly staying in shallow relationships.
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I've really legitimately thought like I'm just in this for the adventure and also just I want to have sex
with hot girls and I thought that's my main motivator because I would hear from some guys that like,
hey, once I just know she likes me, that's enough for me, you know, and then it's like,
okay, so you're a bit more validation driven and that's all fine.
It's just good to know what it is for you.
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But later on I would discover like, no, just the moment of sex is just the validation that I look for.
That was definitely a huge, huge part for me.
Having that equals I'm good enough or I'm a cool guy.
Look at me.
I'm living the 007 lifestyle, but I think it's fine.
Definitely a part of me just needed to have that like be living that.
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And having degenerate sex and living those experiences.
It became too much for sure.
And I don't think many guys will go to that place.
But honestly, I don't think it also needs to be like some super holistic, completely pure motivation where you're doing this from.
It's fine to just needs to do that for a bit of ego reasons or catching up.
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It's not the purest reasons if you can do it from a purely positive motivation,
but it's a whole mix for me.
Some was validation, some was finding purpose.
I never knew what I wanted to do.
I always thought I'll just be a middle manager, dude, in a corporate place.
That's already what I thought I would be at elementary school.
Manager.
I didn't know what it was.
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But none of the really big business please are small.
Yeah, just like middle management.
I wrote that in my little book at like age eight.
I was like, I'll be a middle manager.
Like what a fucking loser.
Why did you write?
Because my dad was doing that.
He was working in assurances.
So I was like, I'll be a manager too, because I'm like sort of smart.
Ridiculous, of course.
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But that gave me zero purpose in life.
So it gave me like purpose like, oh, and I'm teaching this to others and I'm growing in this and I'm getting validated.
And now I'm like one of the guys and, you know, that became a huge motivation.
Anyway, for the people listening this, like, it's good to figure that out a little bit for yourself.
And again, it doesn't have to be pure completely.
It is most healthy if you can really stay related to what's really in your heart.
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What do you really want?
What does your soul want?
Not too many of the ego things.
I think when you come into this, it's also good to have some goals.
Whether you're brand new and you're just going to start or you're already doubled for a few months,
or maybe a year or two years.
If you've never set a goal for it, like, why am I doing it?
Understand where it comes from.
That's probably healthy.
What sort of pain is driving you?
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What are you hoping to get out of it?
I'm not sure how to say this, but it makes a lot of sense.
Is it sort of sustainable?
What you're doing?
If you reach your goal, is it going to make you happier?
Because I think it was a pitfall for me where there was no goal.
Without girls, lonely, painful.
Suddenly it was getting girls.
Oh, feels good.
And so without much thinking, I was like, let's get more of what feels good.
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And suddenly you're doing it for fucking 10 years.
Where's the end of it?
What's the problem?
What am I trying to achieve?
Yeah, I've never really thought it through.
So I think that's a good one for listeners.
Actually, question for you is well done.
I don't know the answer.
I'm hoping you know.
But what if someone's listening and they're really not happy where they are,
but they're still not taking action?
That's a great question.
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You can amplify the bit because maybe the pain is not so big now,
but honestly, the pain is getting bigger each year.
Like we do sales calls also, you know, with people of all ages,
like they come and be like, hey, is this some program that's good for me?
And sometimes it's like, yeah, we should have been on this like 10 years ago
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because the problems, they just get bigger over time.
And maybe they're not so big now.
But how is your life in five years if you continue this?
And how is it in 10 years?
And who are you going to end up with?
So for some people, it's good to allow that a little bit,
like allow it to become a little bit bigger and let that in for a second
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because it will get bigger.
Like dating troubles at 50 suck more than at 40.
Yeah.
And you're lucky, you know, you're a guy, if you're 20 and it sucks,
unless you have some super unhealthy lifestyle,
five years from now when you're 25, you're just going to be more attractive,
even to the girls that are still 20, also girls that are slightly older than you.
But you made a good point.
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We talked to so many guys that we have calls with because we're seeing,
can we help them?
Should they sign up to a program?
And we hear it all the fucking time, like, god damn, I guess I should have done it earlier.
Well, actually you hear that especially once they sign up to a training,
they start seeing results and are like, fuck, because you know,
a lot of guys are like, I don't think it's really possible.
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It's not for me and it's all marketing and it's just, and then they sign up
and then they get results and are like, god damn it.
Like, why did I waste 10 fucking years?
10 years ago, so often.
And realistically, and that's not to be harsh, but it will just get bigger
and it's good to let that sink in a little bit,
because if you start at 20, that's amazing.
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Then you can still, because you just have so much time,
you can mess up so much, like, you know,
there's just a very wide range of women of all ages that you're able to date
because now you might date a teenager because you're 20, dating an 18 year old.
You know, then you get 25 and then like the older ladies are also very interested in you
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who are like 30 and 35.
So that's also becoming a possibility and you can like have all these small relationships
and you learn like, oh, this is what I want in a woman.
And at 30, you'll already notice like, hey, your friends are getting settled
and it gets harder and you know, you have a little bit less energy
and a little bit less time, but you know, you're still at your peak in attractiveness
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for sure at 30.
You might still be there at 40 actually, but you know, even less energy, etc.
And honestly, like I just got off a coaching call with a client,
he's 50 and he's dating 23 and 24 year olds, so it's definitely possible.
But for many guys, it will get harder from 50 on.
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Well, if you started 50, now you have to unlearn everything that you learned over the last 30 years
that you've been doing wrong.
And we can only teach you how to properly do it once you've unlearned all the wrong behaviors.
So yeah, it just takes generally takes more time.
Although I have to say that I did really notice and again, guys get on our newsletter.
It's also some tips were some secrets were revealed on the newsletter
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because I have noticed that a lot of divorced guys, single dads that come into our program do really well.
And I figured out some things that they're doing that are very, very effective,
like why they seem to generally do better than younger guys, you know, not always, but some of them.
And I told you guys why that is in the newsletter sign up.
You made a really good point.
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If you know that you kind of want to do this, but the pain is not big enough,
fucking sit on it, meditate, like visualize what your life will be like five years from now when you just lost a bit of your looks.
You're you have a bit less energy.
Your time has like your job takes up more of your time.
More of your friends are taken.
None of them are motivated to learn all these things with you.
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And I have to do it like imagine that stuff and you come home from work and you're alone and you have absolutely no idea
what you could potentially do at night to not be alone and meet a girl.
Like even if you go on a dating app, you hardly get any likes.
And if you have a you have a match, you don't get a response or the convoy gets ruined.
Like I don't want to be so dark, but it just happens to guys.
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It is just the reality of it.
Like, yeah, it's absolutely not going to get easier.
So let that sink in.
Let that be let that shit be your manure of motivation because great things can grow out of it.
And it's good to feel that a little bit.
Well, and then you learn how it works.
Yeah.
And a few years from now, well, for some guys, it goes really fast.
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Some get good success in weeks.
But let's say realistically, two years from now, you're like, fucking hell.
I listened to that one podcast that was talking dark stuff to make me feel shit.
But then I signed up and I'm happy.
Yeah. See you there, bro.
See you later.
Welcome in the second episode of TextGod.com podcast.
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I'm joined with Dan again before next week.
We dive into an episode with a special guest, but today we're going to talk about pain.
Your pain every single time you felt fucking shit because you couldn't get the girl
you wanted. You felt like you weren't worthy.
You felt like you weren't good enough.
Whatever sorts of pain and frustration it sucks ass.
We've all been there and today you're going to learn how to be happy that you're
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feeling it or felt it or both and turn it into magnificent, unstoppable amounts
of dating success. Right, Dan.
Hail, yes. I mean, your why in this whole dating journey is just huge.
Why do you do this?
So I think it's a very good starting point to look at that and to share some of our
own stories. Why do you go on this massive journey to pick up girls across the world
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and even teach guys that it's just very relevant for nearly 15 years straight?
Yes.
What sort of pain have you been through, Dan, to become such a monster?
For me personally, it's a whole compilation of painful stories.
One of the most painful is that I was friend zoned for two years and I would go
over to this girl's house every night and I would sit in this like old stupid chair
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and she would lay on the bed.
I made like this little CD for her with like hip hop tracks that I liked to like
get into her heart and we would just discuss like politics and history and what
our future would be like, like not together, but plans.
And one night I bring my best friend over and I think it's a good idea, right?
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So I sit on the chair.
He lays next to her on the bed, just chilling.
And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that's different.
And I'm still talking with her and he's just like making a little joke here and
there doesn't say too much and she starts to caress his hair and put her fingers
through his hair and how do that feel?
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That's different.
Did you just think, oh, that's different?
I was like, oh, I guess that's something you can do.
I was just not even in that.
Yeah, how old were you?
17.
Were you like so dumb?
No offense, were you like so dumb that you're you didn't understand that you were
already fucked like it's game over?
I was clueless.
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I was absolutely clueless.
I'm so friendzoned and I would come over twice a week for years, two years.
And he gets further than I do in the night.
So eventually the sun goes down in the summer night.
It gets dark and can't see that much in the room.
She's like, oh, I'm getting cold.
So they get like kind of a blanket and I can't even see them.
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Like they literally disappear underneath the blanket.
My hip hop CD is playing, but it's the last track.
It has been silent for like 10 minutes.
Now the music also stops.
I'm just in a silent room with my mega crush.
I fantasize myself to sleep every night like thinking of her.
My mega crush, my best friend underneath the blanket.
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I'm like, I need to get out of here.
So I say that.
So then you realize like maybe they're they like each other.
I mean, I realized like they are obviously vibing
romantically and much more than I ever had gotten.
But I was probably still in denial, to be honest.
So it's silent.
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I get up and I'm like, I go and my friend is like, oh, I'll join you, bro.
So, you know, we both got outside the door closes.
The first thing he says, like, I smell my fingers and I'm like, oh, my God.
I give it a little sniff.
No, I didn't do that.
Bro, oh my God.
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No, but yeah, usually painful and obviously a complete wake up call.
I've no clue about dating whatsoever because I just wasted two years of my life
pursuing this girl and oh, yeah.
And at that time, two years is even longer than now because you were only 17.
So it's a considerable chunk of your life.
It's 10 percent of my life.
How long did that pain stay?
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Yeah, I was like super bitter.
Like I didn't really lash out at her, but I didn't go buy her house for months.
Yeah, I was very about her.
It's funny, right?
You're angry at the girl, not at the guy.
Yeah, interesting, too.
And not at yourself.
Yeah, I guess a combination.
I mean, I have a ton of stories like this, but yeah, like that was really one of
the first wake up calls, like, oh, my God, I'm clueless.
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What was it for you?
Well, I have many painful stories of rejection and not knowing what to do.
But for me, the biggest pain that drove me to become too good with girls.
So it feels super douchey to say, but the biggest pain that drove me there was, I
would say, being biologically fucked over.
I only got into puberty at 19.
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And so to make it very simple, very clear and kind of visual, unfortunately,
I guess most guys 13, 14, you get into puberty, your voice changes to get hair
under your arms and on top of your cock.
Anyway, for me, that only happened when I was 19.
So let's say that most guys get at 13, then I'm like six years behind.
And six years is an incredibly long time to be the only person that is different
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than your peers.
That's kind of all you want at that age is to fit in.
It's not like I was severely bullied, but you can't really be with girls when
you're the only guy that's still a boy, because that also means throughout the
whole of high school, I was the only one who hadn't had puberty and throughout
most of the university as well.
That made me fall so far behind with girls because I didn't do anything.
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Throughout whole high school, whole university, nothing like no experiences.
No dates, anything.
No, because I was so far behind and I kept falling more behind because people
are gathering experiences and I wasn't.
You become more and more afraid and more and more feeling like you have no clue
what to do and the barrier to take action becomes bigger and bigger because the
problem becomes bigger and bigger.
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Right.
Were you afraid you never would hit puberty?
No, I knew I would hit it because my dad was later and my uncle were later.
So they comforted me like, hey, don't worry, we had it too.
But they didn't have to wait as long as me.
But then we also went to doctors and they made photos of my bones and they're like,
yeah, you're still going to grow.
The growth bone is still there.
It's going to come.
You just need to be patient.
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Yeah.
And so you are patient.
I guess it's the only thing you can do, but it was very lonely.
Oh, I bet.
You start to compare yourself with others.
Yeah.
I also remember like a point in school where I think I was 15 and I know, guys,
if you're listening, it sounds like, OK, that's so long ago.
But those are formative years and I'm 15 and everyone's into puberty.
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And at one point I was with two girls that I really liked.
Both of them were popular.
So here's the tricky thing.
I'm completely behind looks wise and physiologically.
But I still was kind of friends with the cool kids because when you're physically
so weak, you have to develop another way to survive.
And so for me, that became wittiness and jokes, making people laugh.
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And so I still belong to like I didn't get bullied.
But now I'm like, I guess it wasn't really painful.
But I guess it must have been or really must have made a big impact because I still remember.
It's like when I'm 15, I'm sitting outside on the playground left and right of me are
two of these cool girls that I'm secretly crushing on.
But I'm obviously friends on.
And at one point one of them was like, hey, but you know, like Louis doesn't even have
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hair on his legs and they like lift up my pants to look at my legs and they're
laughing like, oh, what the hell?
It's like zero hair.
And I was kind of used to the type of stuff already because yeah, I mean,
but it is painful, right?
It just reinforces like you're the odd one out.
Yeah.
And you don't have what is needed to get girls or at least I thoroughly believe so.
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Yeah.
And I can imagine a lot of guys have that with something similar.
Oh, I'm too dot, dot, dot fat, right?
Too short to.
Too poor. My family is too poor.
I've heard that before.
For guys listening, it doesn't matter whatever belief it is you had or whatever
sets you behind, whatever fucked you over, whatever caused you pain.
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It doesn't matter.
And if you aren't on our email list, subscribe.
There's a link somewhere because you get a lot of tips there for free.
I'm bringing this up right now because I know that we've sent we have an email
that we've sent out where it's super harsh, but where we wish our reader like, hey,
I know you've been through some painful shit in your youth and I wish it were way
more like I wish you felt way more shit.
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And sometimes the readers react to it and are like, fuck you, dude, like what the hell?
But there's also guys that appreciate the message.
And the reason we say that is and that's why we're also this is the topic of this
podcast, because that pain becomes your fuel like neither you, Dan, nor me would
have ever dated the girls that we now like so much if it weren't for that pain.
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That shit becomes manure.
Absolutely.
Like an every of those stories, it just made me relate
better to clients, made me motivated more to date something, somebody better or
more healthy, it's all fuel.
Like you can burn it up, but just don't let it consume you.
That's the worst.
Slow is your main why?
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Well, I was just super lonely.
Right.
So overcoming loneliness or not?
Yeah, for sure.
I've never been with a girl.
I never had a relationship.
It took me 21 years to get a kiss.
One, I think just before my 23rd, I lost my virginity.
So it's just a long ass time of, you know, you see romance with your friends.
You have crushes in school, but you never have the balls or the belief that you
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can make it work so you're not doing anything.
And it's like very relatable.
What you said, you said for two years, you fell asleep imagining things with that girl.
Yes, like when I was in bed at night, super lonely, fucking sad.
Feel a bit better by imagining the girl was there.
And you know, you're spooning, falling asleep.
You can imagine how good it would be.
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And that's how you fall asleep.
And the next day you don't do jack fucking shit.
I was so powerless.
I would like always imagine things where success is forced onto me by like outside world.
I would imagine with my first crush, even before this, that's, you know,
like I would go on a school trip and there wouldn't be enough beds.
And so I have to sleep in the same bed and cuddle with her.
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And then she starts liking you.
Yeah. Or, you know, you get stuck in an elevator.
Really such scenarios, because I don't think I had any other way to even imagine
myself having success, but I don't think that I'm not sure if there's like one big reason.
I think it's many.
Like one of the reasons for me as well is just the pain of other guys just having
that success or having that story.
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And I would look up to that massively like somebody having a one night stand for me.
That was like, fuck, I want to have that.
And just the frustration of not being able to share something like that.
That was a huge pain.
I just needed to eradicate.
I don't want to feel that.
I don't want to be that guy not having the story that would just make my sense of
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self worth just dropped to the floor.
How did you decide to start learning how to be an attractive guy?
How do like, OK, now I want to be able to flirt.
When did you decide I came out of a relationship and she really just picked me.
She just picked me.
That's going to be my boyfriend.
And I just kind of went along with it.
And she was somewhat attractive, not my ideal woman.
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And she was emotionally very unstable.
It wasn't a great relationship at all.
A lot of drama.
We were both a bit like kids in a way.
We didn't have a lot of sex at all once a month, maybe.
So that relationship ended in one big drama as well.
And after that, there was like a period of months where I didn't have any dates
whatsoever. And I was pretty young, like 21, 22, I don't know.
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I was very young.
And I'm not having dates.
I didn't pick my last relationship.
I got picked. I need to get this handled.
And then I just start reading online and I figure out very quickly.
I suck at this.
So I just signed up for like trainings.
So you read some articles online.
You realize you suck.
You found a training and you and you enrolled.
Well, I tried to go out once.
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I mean, we should do another episode of just like the first approach.
But like, I just try to go out once and it just sucks so badly.
You know, if I'm going to learn this at my own pace,
that's going to take millions of years.
I need somebody to just tell me, do this, do that.
Yeah.
For you. Like what was the last straw?
For me, when I finally got into puberty and my body started evolving
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and I was like, OK, I'm becoming normal, I guess.
At least now I'm one of the guys, you know, no longer a kid.
But I was already so late, so old.
And then it still took me two years to get that first kiss.
And then I finally lost my virginity in the States in California.
That's kind of funny.
It's one of the reasons, honestly, why I went there as soon as I graduated.
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I'm like, fuck all this shit.
I feel so fucking shit.
I feel so fucking lonely.
I'm going to go to the States because every time I was lonely,
I was watching these romantic drama shows, these universe college shows.
And, you know, there's all they're all about the Romans and the cool
joke with the popular girl and some drama and just just all I also wanted
an experience like that.
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But all those stories always happen in the States.
So I took what little money I had.
So I fly to the fucking States with my best friend at the time.
And we're there for three months.
And it's not like I was a good data, right?
I hadn't I had no experience and I was a virgin.
But at least I was a foreigner, which made me a little bit more attractive now.
Because he speaks a different language and he's from Europe,
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from small little Belgium.
Not something that an American meets all the time.
So I was a little bit more interesting already.
And then, you know, you meet some people and I also because I was poor,
I was couchsurfing.
And of course, I only applied at girls houses to sleep.
And then, you know, you get a little bit more flirty interactions sometime
because you're a foreigner from Europe sleeping in their house.
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And so more flirty stuff was happening.
And one day I was invited to go to someone's house party.
I was couchsurfing at a guy's house.
He introduced me to a friend of his that friend was throwing a party.
And so I could also go and there I met a girl.
And I guess we kind of hit it off a bit.
I didn't really know what I was doing or whatever, but I liked her.
And I guess she liked me back.
And I lost my virginity that night at the house party.
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No, we went from the house party then to another place where I was sleeping in Compton.
The house party was in Compton.
Yeah, it was a little little small virgin boy at a house party in Compton.
And I was just under 23.
So it's like 12 years ago. So it was everyone was telling us not to go to Compton back then.
Like, don't do it. It's too dangerous.
But my buddy who lived there is like, don't worry.
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And so random, he was a bouncer at a strip club.
And I was this little.
He's a bouncer.
Just go, bro, it's fine in Compton.
I never had any issues there.
Yeah, you're a bouncer in strip.
I just hit puberty one year ago and I'm from Belgium.
But and you know what?
The girl that I lost my virginity to was also an outsider there.
She also came with a friend and she was like way too posh and rich to belong there.
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She was like from a very wealthy family.
You asked me what drove me to learn these things.
So but then I had a taste.
I'm like, OK, I've been with a girl when I came back from the States.
I had my first experience.
I was like, damn, OK, how do you do this?
Like, I was just lucky what needs to happen.
And then just like you, I started browsing and I discovered that there was these forums back then.
It was all just called pick up rights.
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And it was the advice back then was more tricks.
It was all like a bunch do these tricks and say these things and do a first and BNC routines.
But whatever, it was something that gave me hope like, oh, OK, maybe I can learn it.
And then I started practicing a bit.
I tried to get some friends involved as well, because when I learned this, I was like, dude,
you can learn this. What the fuck? How good is this?
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But I didn't realize that I had sat on this massive pain for fucking 10 years long.
So I was super driven to change this situation.
But whenever I told my friends, they're like, oh, I guess it's kind of cool.
And some showed some interest, like, OK, yeah, it seems nice to learn.
But they didn't want to do it.
Me, I think at the time I didn't understand.
But of course, now in hindsight, it's like, yeah, they had already they all had a normal dating life.
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They had been with girls.
Maybe it was not their dream girl, but they had relationships that been with girls.
They had been to a club and then randomly been with girls and they didn't have that drive.
So that's the danger of having mild success.
Like they don't need they miss this big why.
And you can't see it if you're like us.
When you have all that pain, you just like, this is the greatest thing ever.
Like, why are you not as enthusiastic?
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It's funny that you say there's a danger when you have mild success.
Yeah. I guess also for guys listening to this, most of them will relate.
They're just not happy with their dating life and they have have or are going through pain or frustration.
Or, you know, you won't change.
I would say in a way you're lucky because that's going to land you in a position that's where you're way better off
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than those guys with some success because they they don't have that pain.
And you know, you really need you need some good fuel.
You need good drive to it's not easy.
Let's be real. It's not easy to get good at dating.
And so you can only do it if you have enough drive and those guys with mediocre success.
I see it. The guys that were like doing OK in high school and in uni, many of them later
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they fell off a bit and they had they don't have the best relationships or like you're like, holy shit, like sorry.
But how could how could he date her?
Yeah. Yeah, I've seen a lot of times, even with the most popular guys, they just get lazy.
Maybe it's also interesting to talk about the dark side of this.
Why? Because like doing it all from pain is that all good?
Like, does it make your intentions convoluted?
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It's probably not all good. Right.
I mean, both you and me have been in the scene for over a decade, man, nearing 15 years now.
And I've seen everything. I've seen guys that come into this world for a little bit.
They learn how to date. They work on themselves a bit, learn how to express themselves better.
And they do it all quite well without much manipulation tricks.
And they find a good girl and they're gone. You know, it's problem solved.
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And then there's guys that take it way too far and they like in the most shallow level
and try to feel like an endless pit of need more, more, more, more validation from girls.
And then there's also guys that come in the pickup world and then especially back then,
it was also shallow with tricks.
And then suddenly they feel really bad because like, what the hell is this?
This is it's like the opposite of spiritual enlightenment.
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And then they go, they're like, fuck this fucking sucks. What am I doing?
This is empty. They go to a complete different direction and they become,
they start like an endless journey of spiritual.
I'm sure you've met them, right?
Yeah, happens a lot.
Pick up guys who just turn whatever monk. Yeah.
Yeah, that happens a lot.
And then honestly, I've seen some of those that it's kind of scary.
Like they now seem stuck in that journey.
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Yep.
That's like, seekers gonna seek, man.
Seekers gonna seek.
So there's a bit of everything, right?
And so for me, me personally, obviously, I was from completely deprived of intimacy with girls
and the right kind of attention from girls.
Suddenly I was starting to get it.
I was working on it, flirting skills.
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And then I also can't complain when finally my purity settled in over the years.
I became way better looking than before.
And so suddenly I had a good package of looks, the humor and stuff I had already developed
because it was my only survival mechanism when I was always the smallest guy around.
Like I wouldn't have been able to win a single fight against no one.
So, you know, the humor and the, the within us, like my words,
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I developed that pretty soon.
Suddenly my body caught up and then I learned dating and suddenly I was in a position where I could get
so many girls and then of course it becomes addictive and then you do it for one, too many years.
And the plus side of that is it made a business of Tech Scott where like we've helped literally
so many thousands of guys by now with our courses and I don't know how many hundreds with one on one
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trainings and whatever, but like we've really made a good impact on a lot of guys' lives.
So that's a good thing.
The bad thing is for me, like I took it a step too far and I only started learning more recently
how my attachment style wasn't the most healthy and then I also have to do some inner work
to break free from the lifestyle of just endlessly staying in shallow relationships.
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I've really legitimately thought like I'm just in this for the adventure and also just I want to have sex
with hot girls and I thought that's my main motivator because I would hear from some guys that like,
hey, once I just know she likes me, that's enough for me, you know, and then it's like,
okay, so you're a bit more validation driven and that's all fine.
It's just good to know what it is for you.
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But later on I would discover like, no, just the moment of sex is just the validation that I look for.
That was definitely a huge, huge part for me.
Having that equals I'm good enough or I'm a cool guy.
Look at me.
I'm living the 007 lifestyle, but I think it's fine.
Definitely a part of me just needed to have that like be living that.
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And having degenerate sex and living those experiences.
It became too much for sure.
And I don't think many guys will go to that place.
But honestly, I don't think it also needs to be like some super holistic, completely pure motivation where you're doing this from.
It's fine to just needs to do that for a bit of ego reasons or catching up.
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It's not the purest reasons if you can do it from a purely positive motivation,
but it's a whole mix for me.
Some was validation, some was finding purpose.
I never knew what I wanted to do.
I always thought I'll just be a middle manager, dude, in a corporate place.
That's already what I thought I would be at elementary school.
Manager.
I didn't know what it was.
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But none of the really big business please are small.
Yeah, just like middle management.
I wrote that in my little book at like age eight.
I was like, I'll be a middle manager.
Like what a fucking loser.
Why did you write?
Because my dad was doing that.
He was working in assurances.
So I was like, I'll be a manager too, because I'm like sort of smart.
Ridiculous, of course.
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But that gave me zero purpose in life.
So it gave me like purpose like, oh, and I'm teaching this to others and I'm growing in this and I'm getting validated.
And now I'm like one of the guys and, you know, that became a huge motivation.
Anyway, for the people listening this, like, it's good to figure that out a little bit for yourself.
And again, it doesn't have to be pure completely.
It is most healthy if you can really stay related to what's really in your heart.
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What do you really want?
What does your soul want?
Not too many of the ego things.
I think when you come into this, it's also good to have some goals.
Whether you're brand new and you're just going to start or you're already doubled for a few months,
or maybe a year or two years.
If you've never set a goal for it, like, why am I doing it?
Understand where it comes from.
That's probably healthy.
What sort of pain is driving you?
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What are you hoping to get out of it?
I'm not sure how to say this, but it makes a lot of sense.
Is it sort of sustainable?
What you're doing?
If you reach your goal, is it going to make you happier?
Because I think it was a pitfall for me where there was no goal.
Without girls, lonely, painful.
Suddenly it was getting girls.
Oh, feels good.
And so without much thinking, I was like, let's get more of what feels good.
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And suddenly you're doing it for fucking 10 years.
Where's the end of it?
What's the problem?
What am I trying to achieve?
Yeah, I've never really thought it through.
So I think that's a good one for listeners.
Actually, question for you is well done.
I don't know the answer.
I'm hoping you know.
But what if someone's listening and they're really not happy where they are,
but they're still not taking action?
That's a great question.
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You can amplify the bit because maybe the pain is not so big now,
but honestly, the pain is getting bigger each year.
Like we do sales calls also, you know, with people of all ages,
like they come and be like, hey, is this some program that's good for me?
And sometimes it's like, yeah, we should have been on this like 10 years ago
(23:55):
because the problems, they just get bigger over time.
And maybe they're not so big now.
But how is your life in five years if you continue this?
And how is it in 10 years?
And who are you going to end up with?
So for some people, it's good to allow that a little bit,
like allow it to become a little bit bigger and let that in for a second
(24:17):
because it will get bigger.
Like dating troubles at 50 suck more than at 40.
Yeah.
And you're lucky, you know, you're a guy, if you're 20 and it sucks,
unless you have some super unhealthy lifestyle,
five years from now when you're 25, you're just going to be more attractive,
even to the girls that are still 20, also girls that are slightly older than you.
But you made a good point.
(24:39):
We talked to so many guys that we have calls with because we're seeing,
can we help them?
Should they sign up to a program?
And we hear it all the fucking time, like, god damn, I guess I should have done it earlier.
Well, actually you hear that especially once they sign up to a training,
they start seeing results and are like, fuck, because you know,
a lot of guys are like, I don't think it's really possible.
(25:00):
It's not for me and it's all marketing and it's just, and then they sign up
and then they get results and are like, god damn it.
Like, why did I waste 10 fucking years?
10 years ago, so often.
And realistically, and that's not to be harsh, but it will just get bigger
and it's good to let that sink in a little bit,
because if you start at 20, that's amazing.
(25:21):
Then you can still, because you just have so much time,
you can mess up so much, like, you know,
there's just a very wide range of women of all ages that you're able to date
because now you might date a teenager because you're 20, dating an 18 year old.
You know, then you get 25 and then like the older ladies are also very interested in you
(25:42):
who are like 30 and 35.
So that's also becoming a possibility and you can like have all these small relationships
and you learn like, oh, this is what I want in a woman.
And at 30, you'll already notice like, hey, your friends are getting settled
and it gets harder and you know, you have a little bit less energy
and a little bit less time, but you know, you're still at your peak in attractiveness
(26:05):
for sure at 30.
You might still be there at 40 actually, but you know, even less energy, etc.
And honestly, like I just got off a coaching call with a client,
he's 50 and he's dating 23 and 24 year olds, so it's definitely possible.
But for many guys, it will get harder from 50 on.
(26:26):
Well, if you started 50, now you have to unlearn everything that you learned over the last 30 years
that you've been doing wrong.
And we can only teach you how to properly do it once you've unlearned all the wrong behaviors.
So yeah, it just takes generally takes more time.
Although I have to say that I did really notice and again, guys get on our newsletter.
It's also some tips were some secrets were revealed on the newsletter
(26:51):
because I have noticed that a lot of divorced guys, single dads that come into our program do really well.
And I figured out some things that they're doing that are very, very effective,
like why they seem to generally do better than younger guys, you know, not always, but some of them.
And I told you guys why that is in the newsletter sign up.
You made a really good point.
(27:13):
If you know that you kind of want to do this, but the pain is not big enough,
fucking sit on it, meditate, like visualize what your life will be like five years from now when you just lost a bit of your looks.
You're you have a bit less energy.
Your time has like your job takes up more of your time.
More of your friends are taken.
None of them are motivated to learn all these things with you.
(27:35):
And I have to do it like imagine that stuff and you come home from work and you're alone and you have absolutely no idea
what you could potentially do at night to not be alone and meet a girl.
Like even if you go on a dating app, you hardly get any likes.
And if you have a you have a match, you don't get a response or the convoy gets ruined.
Like I don't want to be so dark, but it just happens to guys.
(27:58):
It is just the reality of it.
Like, yeah, it's absolutely not going to get easier.
So let that sink in.
Let that be let that shit be your manure of motivation because great things can grow out of it.
And it's good to feel that a little bit.
Well, and then you learn how it works.
Yeah.
And a few years from now, well, for some guys, it goes really fast.
(28:21):
Some get good success in weeks.
But let's say realistically, two years from now, you're like, fucking hell.
I listened to that one podcast that was talking dark stuff to make me feel shit.
But then I signed up and I'm happy.
Yeah. See you there, bro.
See you later.
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