January 13, 2025 • 30 mins
Are men and women just chasing status, money, and looks? In this this episode, join Niels and I as we challenge Red Pill narratives, explore phases of life and love, and asks why so many are drawn to surface-level attraction instead of genuine connection.
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Nils, you wanted to talk about something to me today, and I have no clue what it is yet.
(00:05):
Yeah, and it's probably gonna offend some of these people that might listen to this that I read it into.
The Redpill community and all of that, and I have a friend that's really deep into that, and it is my impression that a lot of men, guys, are kind of judgmental towards women and have this bad image of women,
(00:27):
because they think that our women are just having fun and hooking up with random dudes, and then they will settle for whoever will date them when they're getting older, and they have less opportunities than all of that.
So, in essence, they're like, our women are horse.
This is not what I think. This is what I feel like the Redpill community, or a lot of these guys, things like women are horse, but then they need a provider who will stay with them and have a family and kids with them.
(00:56):
And they are very judgmental.
Who is very judgmental?
The Redpill community.
Oh, or a lot of men. I think a lot of men are like, especially with girls that do only fans, now there's a lot of this. Our women are just horse.
They're just doing whatever they want, but then they need a guy to provide for them and have a family with, so they will settle for some guy who they don't really like, but they will still do it for the sake of having a family and kids and stability.
(01:22):
I think that this perception is quite wrong, because the reality is that, of course, when you're younger, you're going to have fun and do stuff, but then you also at some point want other things.
So it's not really that you still want to have fun, but you just decide not to have fun. It's more like your values and interests and things that matter to you change.
So, of course, when you're in your early 20s and all you want to do is party and have fun, of course, you're going to find some guy that you can have fun with, and you're not going to try to have fun with someone that's not fun, right?
(01:50):
You're going to have fun with some very serious, boring dude. No, you're going to pick some fun guy that you can party with, that you can hook up with.
When you get older, you're going to look for a guy that also wants to have a relationship, a guy that's a bit more serious, more stable.
I think it's completely normal. It's just like, same as with us guys, right? We have episodes in our life where we just want to have fun, we just want to be retards.
(02:12):
We want to do fun stuff, and then we have episodes in our life where we want to be more serious, more stable, have a girl that we really like, be more serious with her, maybe have a family, all of that, and it's completely normal.
It's not helpful to judge people for something that's completely normal and find reasons to make it seem like it's something bad. I was wondering what your take is on that.
(02:33):
First of all, I don't think a lot of listeners are going to be offended by this concept because I think very few red pill guys listen to my content anyway. I would say our readers are on average a bit more open-minded.
A bit smarter, but yeah, I mean, it is always a tough, I think hating on only fens girls is very easy, and I also am quite judgmental towards them sometimes.
(02:57):
Earlier you told me that there was a woman who made how much?
I just saw this today, some girl that's maybe like 20 years old and makes 4 million a month on only fens of 48 million dollars a year, which is crazy, and that is a lot of money.
Yeah, and well, of course, she's going to make some smart business decisions, but the core of the business is her just being hot to a lot of men and then showing her boobs and probably having sex on camera and whatever.
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And she makes more money than you and I will probably ever make. That is very easy to hate on because a lot of guys will argue that they are smarter or more hardworking or all those things and a girl and she's just making ridiculous amounts of money.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. The whole thing that like women are pretty much whoring around and then suddenly they settle for a loser to provide for the family.
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I mean, it could happen. There's probably a bit more to the theory. I can't put it into words very well right now, but I've heard some similar complaints.
But in general, I would agree with what you said, of course, that people go through different phases in their life, much like I was a ridiculous Yeager bomb drinking party guy.
And then at one point you don't feel it anymore. There's been a whole phase where I swapped from party guy till to let's call it more boring guy and that phase lasts.
(04:24):
That's quite long. I guess you have the habits of what you used to do, but there's been a whole long period of time where my friends would always fraud upon me.
I would show up to the pre-party and then before people would go to the club, I would go home again and go sleep.
And I changed from being this player, let's go to the club and hit on girls guy to the guy that they knew he said he was going to join, but he's just going to go home and sleep early later.
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And notice it took a lot of time for my friends to accept that changing behavior.
And so obviously that's also going to happen from girls. They're having fun. They love going to a club. You dress up nice, put your makeup, your perfume, you dance sexily.
And you notice that so many guys are into you and you feel super powerful. And then you've done that X amount of times and suddenly it's like, well, this is kind of getting old.
(05:14):
I want to have a serious relationship and make a deal, a 100% connection.
That's exactly what I believe. I think it's completely fair. I mean, why the fuck not? Why the fuck would you not do stuff that you find fun that you personally enjoy doing?
And that's how people should live their life. I think whether you're a guy or a girl.
Oh, yeah, of course. But then, I mean, I think there are very few red pill ideas that you and I would agree with.
(05:42):
Yeah, to me, this whole red pill stuff is butthurt guys that are trying to justify why women are not going for them.
It comes from a phase of butthurtness. And I think if anybody is misogynistic, then it's these red pill guys, they just kind of look down on women.
They're like, oh, women are not good creatures or whatever. But it's ridiculous because it's hurting their success and it's hurting their happiness.
(06:05):
It's not helpful. There are so many things that every time I see this red pill stuff, I'm just thinking it's so stupid.
How would you define red pill for someone listening to this that doesn't know what it is?
I can't really define it. It's just a certain community. I just know that a bunch of YouTube channels call themselves red pill.
But it's this movement from my perception is this movement of guys that try to explain how women behave or how women act.
(06:33):
And they mostly rationalize it or it comes from a perspective of women doing everything they do because they're chasing looks, status and money.
Oh, yeah. So is a red pill, I kind of know what red pill is and black pill and whatever.
So is a red pill guys telling other guys, hey, focus on making money, rather than women? Is that red pill?
(06:57):
I think so.
And then what is black pill? Black pill is just completely don't mind women ever.
Not a hundred percent sure. I don't know.
I remember one time I gave a little bit.
It comes from the blue pill and red pill in the matrix. They think that they are the illuminated ones.
They took the red pill so they just understand.
And all the other guys are still there and they don't even see what's going on.
(07:18):
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Can you quickly Google the black pill thing?
Yeah.
I will tell you one time I gave a lecture and there at the end there's always a bunch of guys coming up for asking some extra questions and stuff.
And there was one black pill dude.
I was a bit baffled at the ideology of that and we part a little bit.
(07:40):
And eventually that guy signed up for my mentoring program.
And honestly, he became a really chill dude.
I think some of them are savable, convertible to maybe a more sensible or at least I was going to say a more sensible set of beliefs,
but at least a set of beliefs that allows you to take control over your life more and change the situation.
What did Google teach you?
(08:01):
I'm so actually looking it up.
So red pill is all about men having to be high value individuals and that is all women look up to.
Yeah. And high value again is status.
That is money.
Yeah.
The black pill is an offshoot of the red pill, but adopts a far more fatalistic view.
Yeah. I can't really find some what it means exactly.
(08:24):
Yeah. A more extreme version of it.
I think I think red pill is like, hey, no, the black pill is that looks, height and genetics will determine whether you're successful with women or not.
So basically the red pill says women are only about looks, status and money, but these are things you can change.
And the black pill is basically women only care about these few things in you and you can't even change them.
(08:44):
High might as well.
Looks and genetics.
Looks, height and genetics.
Okay. So they could have just said genetics.
And if you don't have that, then you're doomed.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's what I was saying.
I met one of those guys and actually over time he became a pretty chill guy.
He was saved, but...
Now I had a friend who was a pretty cool guy and he's quite successful, but then he had one from his perspective, very negative experience with women or with a girl.
(09:12):
That basically cheated on him and a relationship and it really, really emotionally hurt him and he went on a very dark path for a while where he just hated on women and the red pill stuff.
And he's also the guy who always sends me this red pill stuff.
He started seeing women through this lens of them just basically using guys and only being in it for this looks, status, money thing.
(09:37):
Yeah.
And I bet that a lot of these guys that come from that perspective that would hear us talk, they would just think that we don't get it.
Right? They're like, these guys, they just don't get it.
I think, yeah, I think you're right.
I think if a random red piller or black piller or whatever would listen to this and they don't even know you, they can't even see you and I, because I'm not even recording video.
(09:58):
It's just audio.
Yeah.
They don't know us and they just listen.
They probably think, what clueless dumb losers are making this podcast.
Yeah.
But I think that is the difference is like, if you're black pill, you're like, just give up.
Yeah.
It's only things that are out of your control.
If you're red pill, you're like, okay, get more money, get more muscles and put little souls in your shoes so that you're taller.
(10:22):
You can still have some effect.
And then I don't even know what Louis Farfields takes got your beliefs were not black pill or red pill.
I don't know what this is named, but we're pretty much saying, hey, it's pretty much all in your control.
Well, it's interesting because if you really believe in this red pill stuff, wouldn't that also mean that no matter how successful you are, there's always going to be this risk that there's a guy that has a little more money than you,
(10:48):
or is 10 years younger than you and has the same money as you that she will meet and then she will just try to hop over to him.
There is this actually this is it not that you were talking about last time the monkey branch.
Yeah, and there is this fucking picture of Jeff Bezos wife flirting with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Do you know that picture?
No.
(11:09):
Fuck is like Jeff Bezos and his wife, his like girlfriend or whatever, who's like 30 years younger.
And then there's Leo DiCaprio and the wife is hardcore flirting with Leo.
And I think that's one of these things that they always use for like, oh yeah, she will leave you like if Jeff Bezos girlfriend is flirting with another guy, then how do you think you stand any chance?
Hey, you know what?
(11:30):
For me, it sounds even bad verbalizing these things because it's so dumb like to because acting as if it was just this computer thing and there was nothing else to it.
There was no personality and people are not trying to have fun.
People are just looking for, oh, how much money does he have and what value does he provide to me in society?
And we both know that there are women that are like that and there are men that are like that, but it's a small percentage of society.
(11:56):
Yeah, and they're like, I don't know, psychopaths or robots or just somehow rotten inside or whatever.
Yeah, it's funny.
I was just, I was, when you told the story, I was imagining.
So first of all, I am 99.9, 9% sure that my girlfriend is, I don't know if obsessed is the right words, but I was, I'm going to say obsessed with me.
But I'm also pretty sure that if Leo DiCaprio walked up to her and started flirting with her, she would enjoy that moment.
(12:22):
Yeah, and fair enough.
No, that's what I mean, fair enough. Why not?
Of course, you would enjoy flirting with an attractive guy who you know everybody wants to have.
And yeah, doesn't mean that anything would happen or that she would do anything because it's still a choice.
Hey, would I want to hurt the guy that I love that I've been dating for one night stand with some other dude?
(12:44):
And that's, I think, the important thing.
And we would as well write if Scarlett Johansson or whatever, some favorite actress.
I'm out of Scarlett's league, but I get your point. Someone else, yeah.
Is she like 50 or something?
I don't know, I'm just talking shit.
I just have this picture in my head from her when she was super hot.
When she was like, yeah.
I thought she was super hot in the movie, her where she's just a super sexy voice of this robot girlfriend.
(13:08):
Yeah, I quickly want to go back to Leonardo DiCaprio, I think, because my girlfriend would for sure enjoy that he came up to talk with her.
She's also quite flirty. I'm pretty sure she would flirt back.
I'm pretty sure that she would not sleep with him or do anything that would then hurt me.
But that's the difference, right?
If she would, then she cares about, well, the wrong things, I would say,
(13:29):
that she would, for example, care more about having the story that she slept with one of the most, like, the biggest sex icons or whatever, like, A.L.I. celebrities ever,
other than the potential future with me and the connection.
You could argue that she wasn't ready for a serious relationship, all those type of things,
but there's something else that I wanted to say about it.
(13:51):
Damn, it slipped my mind.
I should have a fucking notepad while I'm here for when you're talking.
You say a lot of interesting stuff and then I want to come back when I want to let you finish and then I forget them.
Well, what if that's maybe actually now that you say the more interesting question,
what if your girlfriend met Leonardo DiCaprio?
Because I guess that's the question we have to ask ourselves.
What if we date a girl and then she meets Leonardo DiCaprio, let's say, for a sake of argument
(14:17):
and she thinks she actually has a shot at dating him, would she then leave you?
And to my understanding, this whole red pill community, they must come to the conclusion,
of course she would do that because more looks, more status, more money,
but at least I would think, hey, if I have a connection with a girl and we've been dating for three years,
even if she thought he had this guy would also date me, she wouldn't just make a move just because,
(14:41):
not just because he has more looks, status, money, even if he wanted to date her.
Maybe if she met him and then they actually hit it off really well and managed to build a connection,
it was actually like a super fun thing.
Plus he had more looks, status, money, then yeah, maybe she would do it.
And then I would also say, fair enough, if there's somebody else that she gets along with better than with me,
(15:03):
then maybe it's also good that for her at least it's the right thing to do.
And I think that's where probably we have this big difference between what we believe is right
and what the red pill community is about, but they would say it's not, still have to stay together.
Well, I don't know, and just...
The red pill community would share my thoughts.
You have to stay together with the girl?
(15:25):
I think they even say that the girl should not go anywhere or talk to other guys while you're in a relationship or something like that.
I mean, I only see these memes that my friend sends me or that I sometimes see on Instagram and it's always like,
oh, so your girlfriend wants to hang out with one of her work colleagues after work?
You have to dump her, kind of like really somewhat dumb shit, right?
(15:47):
I mean, it's so stupid.
Yeah, and here I am.
Just last week I went to a restaurant with my girlfriend,
all her friends and a guy that she used to date and they're still friends.
And here I was at the restaurant completely against all red pill code.
Bro, did you let her be friends with her ex?
(16:09):
I even let her talk to him.
Oh my God.
Bro, how many kids do they have?
How many what?
How many children do they have?
Probably a thousand.
You're just providing for their lifestyle?
Yes.
Why would you do that?
Are you even a real alpha?
No, I'm beta as fuck.
I don't realize it until I just until, yeah, I guess I should break up with her now,
but I don't want to because I can never get someone of that value again.
(16:31):
Yeah, I think this is the point where you should just end the podcast.
And you know what you hear is walk out of our chairs and you hear me pick up the phone
and I'm like, hey, yeah, we need to talk.
I think I have to break up, but I don't really want to.
That would be good.
I was just thinking when you said the whole thing, let's say my girl does run into the
early couple and they hit it off and they actually have a great connection and it's a good time
(16:55):
and he seems to want something long term in her.
I was thinking would she do it or not?
Like if the connection is really good, obviously there's a whole lifestyle there that I could never provide.
Both lots of money and fancy things.
She would enjoy those things.
And then if also the connection is there and she feels understood and he can, he's like,
hey, I want to go for this long term.
(17:17):
Probably there's good odds that.
I mean, assuming they hit it off better than you guys.
I mean, yeah, then he's better on every level.
Yeah.
Although I heard Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't have these nice full round oversized balls that I have.
So I might just be winning still.
But isn't the fact that he can't have children.
That's why all the women leave him when they turn 25.
(17:40):
I have no clue.
Is that the thing?
That's what I believe in.
Yeah.
Do you think that he really leaves every girlfriend when they turn 25?
I think now he's dating a woman.
There was some woman, some sort of icon, super hot.
And she was with some famous DJ guy and she left.
She was married to the famous DJ guy.
She left him for DiCaprio, but she's over 25.
So I think that thing is no longer, it's no longer you're dumped at 25.
(18:03):
Maybe Leo is becoming desperate.
What a bad thought as well.
What a complete loser.
Let's be real.
I mean, in essence, it all comes down to you having personality, right?
If you're having fun yourself, if you're being fun to be around,
if you understand the people that you hang out with have empathy and all of these elements,
it goes a very long way.
(18:24):
And we see this with all of these surfer guys that essentially live in a fucking truck by the beach.
And some of them have very caring, loving relationships.
Yeah.
And to a lot of women that is even without status and money,
even taking all of that away, even that would still be enough just to personality.
And it's funny because these people that I know that are really into this red pill stuff, like...
(18:48):
How do you even know?
I don't know people that are into that.
Well, I think a bunch of people that I know are hardcore into this and rotate stuff.
Oh.
You know, they do like this, some sort of online business,
but you can see it in the pictures they post.
It's always like nice cars, cigars, playing chess.
I probably know like 10 guys like that.
(19:09):
I met a bunch of them through Stefan.
Oh, funny.
I think it's like one social circle.
And they're all kind of into that and they're all posting this stuff.
And most of the people that I see that are into that are not dating what we would consider attractive women.
It's like these kind of like almost like girls that give very heavy gold digger vibes to me.
And this is not women that you want to be dating,
(19:30):
that are dating you because of who you are.
They're dating you because of what you can provide.
And because they think that all that women care about is what you provide,
that's exactly the women they will attract.
Yeah.
It's so funny if you really think about it.
I know what you mean.
Yeah, I know that you know.
Like they all have a little fancy handbag purse,
(19:51):
like a little Chanel type of purse, a dress, a little bit too much makeup.
Yeah, a little bit too trying to be sexy and hot.
Yeah. And then everything they post is photos of them on a nice holiday or in a nice restaurant
or her with the guy with wearing his best shirt.
And the guys exactly, I think it's so funny.
And I've seen a few guys more do this now than before.
(20:14):
I guess it must have been the influence of Tate,
but the guys that are working on their own business and suddenly they're posting these,
them in front of the computer hustling and they're smoking a cigar.
And yeah, it's not a parody, they're taking it very seriously.
But I also recently saw a guy started posting these type of things where I know the guy
decently well, he's a smart dude, he's pretty cool, he's not a dumbass,
(20:38):
and more and more he's becoming this sort of, hey, I'm a business hustler, cigars,
this is all that matters, guy.
Yeah, I think there's this and rotate guy that promotes this,
but there's also, I forgot his name, this guy from, you for sure know him,
this guy from Las Vegas who used to be, do these red carpet shows.
(20:59):
And then he became a dating coach and his whole thing now is teaching guys how to create this lifestyle
on Instagram and where they do events and like fashion events and fashion shoots.
Michael Sartain, I think is his name.
I don't know who that is. Maybe when I see it.
Yeah, and I have a couple of these guys that I know did his course
and now all of their Instagrams look the same.
(21:21):
It's all this like them with girls and it looks all complete fake
and everybody with two brain cells looks at it and is like, okay, some stage thing.
But I guess if you only know one guy like that, you will not realize how fake it is.
But I have like 20 guys that I follow and it all looks the same
and some of them even do these events together.
So they have the same pictures from the same events with some girls
(21:44):
that try to get some free pictures because they're trying to become models.
And that's also what it is with these guys. They don't even care.
On the contrary, I was going to say they don't even care that they all have super similar Instagrams.
They are very happy, satisfied that they have super similar Instagrams
because that's the only thing that they see as attractive and success
and it's going to help them also with girls.
(22:06):
Maybe they're more so trying to impress other business guys
but in the end, I think it always comes down to girls.
So interesting and I love the point that you brought up.
If those are your beliefs, hey, girls care about status and money,
then you are going to attract those girls.
Yeah, that was probably a pretty good summary of it.
(22:28):
If that's what you think, then that's also if you think that's what girls care about,
then that's exactly the girls you will attract.
And they'll keep believing that until it's something that you and I talked about on our podcast
where we were rambling about the whole, hey guys, think they can win a fight and seduce a girl.
You said they believe that until there is proof of the contrary.
(22:49):
And there's going to be the same thing here until they get proof like, hey, I could actually get this quality, feminine, caring, wholesome girl
that doesn't just want a little expensive Chanel bag to break to other girls
or doesn't want to make Instagram stories in expensive restaurants or whatever in some fancy ass pool.
Then, yeah, you know what? I always wondered.
(23:11):
So I guess through people get to know me a little bit through my YouTube videos and the articles and articles that are right on my website.
And you only signed up for my courses and my dating coaching when you sort of agree with my values, right?
Because I think out of there's been about 600 guys or something that have come in my mentoring program.
(23:32):
I can only remember really one red pillar who eventually I kicked out of the group because it was getting so annoying.
This is the type of guy that every time guys shared conversations asking for feedback, he would be like, just ask her out, bro.
Just ask her out. Why are you just, why are you still texting? Just ask her out.
All the time it was getting so annoying, which is again one of their beliefs, right?
The texting is only to set up the date super, super quick.
(23:56):
So I've always wondered these guys, because so many guys are into girls that I look at the girls' Instagram or dating profile
and I'm like, why are you even interested in her? It's very clearly visible that she cares for the wrong things.
It's clearly a profile that wants to show her as hot as possible the whole time and then she's in fancy high value environments with fancy items.
(24:23):
Why would you want a girl like that? But so many guys, even smart guys and guys I respect, keep being attracted to these type of girls
and I don't really have the answer, is that because do they not see that that is not in most cases a quality partner or someone that you can really be yourself with?
Or I don't really understand.
(24:44):
Same. I also don't understand. It's probably that they don't see it.
I was going to make the point before you went into that and then I realized it's exactly the same thing,
that when guys look at girls and you see that sometimes in the comments of YouTube videos or of these reels on Instagram
where guys are like, this girl is for the streets or whatever, you know, these kind of comments,
(25:08):
then you realize that most guys do want what you just described, this cute, wholesome, caring, loving girl.
But they think that almost every girl is a whore that only cares for their money or their status or whatever.
So they try to fit that idea that all that girls want is looks, status, money.
(25:29):
So they try to be cool on all of their Instagram and they don't realize that that actually repels this small percentage of girls that they actually truly want.
Oh yeah. So it's like a little prophecy.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
And then they cannot connect with these girls because they don't really even get to meet them because these girls don't hang out in the place that these tryhard guys hang out.
(25:55):
They don't hang out at some fancy shitty clubs where people only go to get tables.
They don't match them on social media because they don't, or on dating apps because these girls don't find such guys attractive.
So in their reality, all that girls care about is looks, status, money, and then that's all that these guys go for.
But it's self-fulfilling prophecy.
They just, they only meet those girls because they only go to places where those girls show up.
(26:20):
Yeah. I don't know why they find these girls attractive though because these guys, when you ask, when they tell you what a hot girl for them is,
a lot of the time they will show you that type of girl.
And I mean, even when we watched dating shows yesterday, when we put on Too Hot To Handle, season six,
like this is the archetype of these girls, you look at them and you know that there's like a little too fake, a little too wannabe.
(26:43):
Yeah. Well, and also on this show, they literally have no brain cells at all.
Sure. But what I mean is that a lot of guys watching is like, fuck, these girls are so hot.
Yeah. Yeah. That is true.
It would be very interesting to dig deeper into this. Why do they, why do they find them so hot?
Well, in my coaching calls, when I see guys that are maybe matching this type of women, I can ask them, okay, I'll do some research.
(27:07):
What is it that attracts you so much about this?
It's talkable again when we know.
Yeah. But I, my prediction would be that they have never really taken the time to sit down what they actually want in a woman
and what that would look like and maybe what that would even look like more specifically on a dating profile.
I think it could be just that they haven't realized yet that they're chasing what they think is the hot woman to society
(27:31):
or to men in general want this girl. So I need to have this girl.
I just don't really get it with these girls that wear a lot of makeup because all I think about is what is, what would she look like without the makeup?
And then you're like, you have really have no idea.
And I have this one really good friend of mine who's really into girls with huge asses and huge tits.
I mentioned him a couple of times, right? When he really almost starts drooling when he sees these girls
(27:55):
that have like fake asses and stuff like that.
But he very clearly says, hey, I don't think that these girls are like 10 out of 10 attractive.
It's just a fetish. Like I look at it and I find it mega hot.
Yeah.
But it's not, I know that it's not really, I don't think it's pretty.
Yeah.
It just really turns me on.
And that was quite interesting because for me was also a big realization that there's like a difference between these two things.
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What really triggers you sexually might not even be what you think is hot.
But most guys I think don't are not self reflected enough and don't understand what they really want in girls.
Yeah.
What they want in life.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
That's a really good point.
We have a common friend who recently had some, was a proper way to say it again.
I was going to say boner issues.
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How do you say it more medically?
How does erectile dysfunction electrified?
So he's had some erectile dysfunction and he just realized, well, he realized, of course, he went on a whole journey journey.
Why is this happening?
He went into therapy.
He went to doctors.
He's like tried everything and he did a lot of self reflecting.
I think some, he realized some very interesting things.
And one of them was that what he thought he was turned on by an attractor to, he always thought this is what I'm attracted to.
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This is what turns me on. And then he realized, Hey, this is actually not, this is not what turns me on.
And he realized some other things that he didn't realize before really did turn him on.
And when he was with us, other things, his boner would work just fine.
Whereas the other things, I haven't talked to him about it.
So I'm just going to say he thought he was into specific types of bills and features on girls.
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And he would constantly chase those.
But then he figured out that those were actually not having a biological or hormonal or whatever effect on him.
Interesting.
So to make it very concrete, let's say he was always into curvy girls and then suddenly he was with skinnier girls and poof, dick problems gone.
I'm oversimplifying it.
But one of these realizations was part of the solution for him.
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Another part of the solution was the way he saw dating and his knees, what he was chasing.
He realized, man, that's a whole topic for another time.
We could have a erectile dysfunction.
Maybe that's what the whole podcast should be about.
What triggers men's erectile dysfunction and how to overcome it.
Yes.
And we could have a hundred episodes if my buddy wants to come on the show because he's done the whole journey.
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And it's not over yet.
On this note, before we finish this podcast, I would like to make it very clear that Nils and I have no erectile dysfunction.
And we even just speak for yourself.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, Nils does have erectile dysfunction.
Hey, thanks for coming on the podcast.
I'll see you next time you fly into Amsterdam.
Nils, you wanted to talk about something to me today, and I have no clue what it is yet.
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Yeah, and it's probably gonna offend some of these people that might listen to this that I read it into.
The Redpill community and all of that, and I have a friend that's really deep into that, and it is my impression that a lot of men, guys, are kind of judgmental towards women and have this bad image of women,
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because they think that our women are just having fun and hooking up with random dudes, and then they will settle for whoever will date them when they're getting older, and they have less opportunities than all of that.
So, in essence, they're like, our women are horse.
This is not what I think. This is what I feel like the Redpill community, or a lot of these guys, things like women are horse, but then they need a provider who will stay with them and have a family and kids with them.
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And they are very judgmental.
Who is very judgmental?
The Redpill community.
Oh, or a lot of men. I think a lot of men are like, especially with girls that do only fans, now there's a lot of this. Our women are just horse.
They're just doing whatever they want, but then they need a guy to provide for them and have a family with, so they will settle for some guy who they don't really like, but they will still do it for the sake of having a family and kids and stability.
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I think that this perception is quite wrong, because the reality is that, of course, when you're younger, you're going to have fun and do stuff, but then you also at some point want other things.
So it's not really that you still want to have fun, but you just decide not to have fun. It's more like your values and interests and things that matter to you change.
So, of course, when you're in your early 20s and all you want to do is party and have fun, of course, you're going to find some guy that you can have fun with, and you're not going to try to have fun with someone that's not fun, right?
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You're going to have fun with some very serious, boring dude. No, you're going to pick some fun guy that you can party with, that you can hook up with.
When you get older, you're going to look for a guy that also wants to have a relationship, a guy that's a bit more serious, more stable.
I think it's completely normal. It's just like, same as with us guys, right? We have episodes in our life where we just want to have fun, we just want to be retards.
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We want to do fun stuff, and then we have episodes in our life where we want to be more serious, more stable, have a girl that we really like, be more serious with her, maybe have a family, all of that, and it's completely normal.
It's not helpful to judge people for something that's completely normal and find reasons to make it seem like it's something bad. I was wondering what your take is on that.
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First of all, I don't think a lot of listeners are going to be offended by this concept because I think very few red pill guys listen to my content anyway. I would say our readers are on average a bit more open-minded.
A bit smarter, but yeah, I mean, it is always a tough, I think hating on only fens girls is very easy, and I also am quite judgmental towards them sometimes.
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Earlier you told me that there was a woman who made how much?
I just saw this today, some girl that's maybe like 20 years old and makes 4 million a month on only fens of 48 million dollars a year, which is crazy, and that is a lot of money.
Yeah, and well, of course, she's going to make some smart business decisions, but the core of the business is her just being hot to a lot of men and then showing her boobs and probably having sex on camera and whatever.
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And she makes more money than you and I will probably ever make. That is very easy to hate on because a lot of guys will argue that they are smarter or more hardworking or all those things and a girl and she's just making ridiculous amounts of money.
Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. The whole thing that like women are pretty much whoring around and then suddenly they settle for a loser to provide for the family.
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I mean, it could happen. There's probably a bit more to the theory. I can't put it into words very well right now, but I've heard some similar complaints.
But in general, I would agree with what you said, of course, that people go through different phases in their life, much like I was a ridiculous Yeager bomb drinking party guy.
And then at one point you don't feel it anymore. There's been a whole phase where I swapped from party guy till to let's call it more boring guy and that phase lasts.
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That's quite long. I guess you have the habits of what you used to do, but there's been a whole long period of time where my friends would always fraud upon me.
I would show up to the pre-party and then before people would go to the club, I would go home again and go sleep.
And I changed from being this player, let's go to the club and hit on girls guy to the guy that they knew he said he was going to join, but he's just going to go home and sleep early later.
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And notice it took a lot of time for my friends to accept that changing behavior.
And so obviously that's also going to happen from girls. They're having fun. They love going to a club. You dress up nice, put your makeup, your perfume, you dance sexily.
And you notice that so many guys are into you and you feel super powerful. And then you've done that X amount of times and suddenly it's like, well, this is kind of getting old.
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I want to have a serious relationship and make a deal, a 100% connection.
That's exactly what I believe. I think it's completely fair. I mean, why the fuck not? Why the fuck would you not do stuff that you find fun that you personally enjoy doing?
And that's how people should live their life. I think whether you're a guy or a girl.
Oh, yeah, of course. But then, I mean, I think there are very few red pill ideas that you and I would agree with.
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Yeah, to me, this whole red pill stuff is butthurt guys that are trying to justify why women are not going for them.
It comes from a phase of butthurtness. And I think if anybody is misogynistic, then it's these red pill guys, they just kind of look down on women.
They're like, oh, women are not good creatures or whatever. But it's ridiculous because it's hurting their success and it's hurting their happiness.
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It's not helpful. There are so many things that every time I see this red pill stuff, I'm just thinking it's so stupid.
How would you define red pill for someone listening to this that doesn't know what it is?
I can't really define it. It's just a certain community. I just know that a bunch of YouTube channels call themselves red pill.
But it's this movement from my perception is this movement of guys that try to explain how women behave or how women act.
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And they mostly rationalize it or it comes from a perspective of women doing everything they do because they're chasing looks, status and money.
Oh, yeah. So is a red pill, I kind of know what red pill is and black pill and whatever.
So is a red pill guys telling other guys, hey, focus on making money, rather than women? Is that red pill?
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I think so.
And then what is black pill? Black pill is just completely don't mind women ever.
Not a hundred percent sure. I don't know.
I remember one time I gave a little bit.
It comes from the blue pill and red pill in the matrix. They think that they are the illuminated ones.
They took the red pill so they just understand.
And all the other guys are still there and they don't even see what's going on.
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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah. Can you quickly Google the black pill thing?
Yeah.
I will tell you one time I gave a lecture and there at the end there's always a bunch of guys coming up for asking some extra questions and stuff.
And there was one black pill dude.
I was a bit baffled at the ideology of that and we part a little bit.
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And eventually that guy signed up for my mentoring program.
And honestly, he became a really chill dude.
I think some of them are savable, convertible to maybe a more sensible or at least I was going to say a more sensible set of beliefs,
but at least a set of beliefs that allows you to take control over your life more and change the situation.
What did Google teach you?
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I'm so actually looking it up.
So red pill is all about men having to be high value individuals and that is all women look up to.
Yeah. And high value again is status.
That is money.
Yeah.
The black pill is an offshoot of the red pill, but adopts a far more fatalistic view.
Yeah. I can't really find some what it means exactly.
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Yeah. A more extreme version of it.
I think I think red pill is like, hey, no, the black pill is that looks, height and genetics will determine whether you're successful with women or not.
So basically the red pill says women are only about looks, status and money, but these are things you can change.
And the black pill is basically women only care about these few things in you and you can't even change them.
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High might as well.
Looks and genetics.
Looks, height and genetics.
Okay. So they could have just said genetics.
And if you don't have that, then you're doomed.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
So that's what I was saying.
I met one of those guys and actually over time he became a pretty chill guy.
He was saved, but...
Now I had a friend who was a pretty cool guy and he's quite successful, but then he had one from his perspective, very negative experience with women or with a girl.
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That basically cheated on him and a relationship and it really, really emotionally hurt him and he went on a very dark path for a while where he just hated on women and the red pill stuff.
And he's also the guy who always sends me this red pill stuff.
He started seeing women through this lens of them just basically using guys and only being in it for this looks, status, money thing.
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Yeah.
And I bet that a lot of these guys that come from that perspective that would hear us talk, they would just think that we don't get it.
Right? They're like, these guys, they just don't get it.
I think, yeah, I think you're right.
I think if a random red piller or black piller or whatever would listen to this and they don't even know you, they can't even see you and I, because I'm not even recording video.
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It's just audio.
Yeah.
They don't know us and they just listen.
They probably think, what clueless dumb losers are making this podcast.
Yeah.
But I think that is the difference is like, if you're black pill, you're like, just give up.
Yeah.
It's only things that are out of your control.
If you're red pill, you're like, okay, get more money, get more muscles and put little souls in your shoes so that you're taller.
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You can still have some effect.
And then I don't even know what Louis Farfields takes got your beliefs were not black pill or red pill.
I don't know what this is named, but we're pretty much saying, hey, it's pretty much all in your control.
Well, it's interesting because if you really believe in this red pill stuff, wouldn't that also mean that no matter how successful you are, there's always going to be this risk that there's a guy that has a little more money than you,
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or is 10 years younger than you and has the same money as you that she will meet and then she will just try to hop over to him.
There is this actually this is it not that you were talking about last time the monkey branch.
Yeah, and there is this fucking picture of Jeff Bezos wife flirting with Leonardo DiCaprio.
Do you know that picture?
No.
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Fuck is like Jeff Bezos and his wife, his like girlfriend or whatever, who's like 30 years younger.
And then there's Leo DiCaprio and the wife is hardcore flirting with Leo.
And I think that's one of these things that they always use for like, oh yeah, she will leave you like if Jeff Bezos girlfriend is flirting with another guy, then how do you think you stand any chance?
Hey, you know what?
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For me, it sounds even bad verbalizing these things because it's so dumb like to because acting as if it was just this computer thing and there was nothing else to it.
There was no personality and people are not trying to have fun.
People are just looking for, oh, how much money does he have and what value does he provide to me in society?
And we both know that there are women that are like that and there are men that are like that, but it's a small percentage of society.
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Yeah, and they're like, I don't know, psychopaths or robots or just somehow rotten inside or whatever.
Yeah, it's funny.
I was just, I was, when you told the story, I was imagining.
So first of all, I am 99.9, 9% sure that my girlfriend is, I don't know if obsessed is the right words, but I was, I'm going to say obsessed with me.
But I'm also pretty sure that if Leo DiCaprio walked up to her and started flirting with her, she would enjoy that moment.
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Yeah, and fair enough.
No, that's what I mean, fair enough. Why not?
Of course, you would enjoy flirting with an attractive guy who you know everybody wants to have.
And yeah, doesn't mean that anything would happen or that she would do anything because it's still a choice.
Hey, would I want to hurt the guy that I love that I've been dating for one night stand with some other dude?
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And that's, I think, the important thing.
And we would as well write if Scarlett Johansson or whatever, some favorite actress.
I'm out of Scarlett's league, but I get your point. Someone else, yeah.
Is she like 50 or something?
I don't know, I'm just talking shit.
I just have this picture in my head from her when she was super hot.
When she was like, yeah.
I thought she was super hot in the movie, her where she's just a super sexy voice of this robot girlfriend.
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Yeah, I quickly want to go back to Leonardo DiCaprio, I think, because my girlfriend would for sure enjoy that he came up to talk with her.
She's also quite flirty. I'm pretty sure she would flirt back.
I'm pretty sure that she would not sleep with him or do anything that would then hurt me.
But that's the difference, right?
If she would, then she cares about, well, the wrong things, I would say,
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that she would, for example, care more about having the story that she slept with one of the most, like, the biggest sex icons or whatever, like, A.L.I. celebrities ever,
other than the potential future with me and the connection.
You could argue that she wasn't ready for a serious relationship, all those type of things,
but there's something else that I wanted to say about it.
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Damn, it slipped my mind.
I should have a fucking notepad while I'm here for when you're talking.
You say a lot of interesting stuff and then I want to come back when I want to let you finish and then I forget them.
Well, what if that's maybe actually now that you say the more interesting question,
what if your girlfriend met Leonardo DiCaprio?
Because I guess that's the question we have to ask ourselves.
What if we date a girl and then she meets Leonardo DiCaprio, let's say, for a sake of argument
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and she thinks she actually has a shot at dating him, would she then leave you?
And to my understanding, this whole red pill community, they must come to the conclusion,
of course she would do that because more looks, more status, more money,
but at least I would think, hey, if I have a connection with a girl and we've been dating for three years,
even if she thought he had this guy would also date me, she wouldn't just make a move just because,
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not just because he has more looks, status, money, even if he wanted to date her.
Maybe if she met him and then they actually hit it off really well and managed to build a connection,
it was actually like a super fun thing.
Plus he had more looks, status, money, then yeah, maybe she would do it.
And then I would also say, fair enough, if there's somebody else that she gets along with better than with me,
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then maybe it's also good that for her at least it's the right thing to do.
And I think that's where probably we have this big difference between what we believe is right
and what the red pill community is about, but they would say it's not, still have to stay together.
Well, I don't know, and just...
The red pill community would share my thoughts.
You have to stay together with the girl?
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I think they even say that the girl should not go anywhere or talk to other guys while you're in a relationship or something like that.
I mean, I only see these memes that my friend sends me or that I sometimes see on Instagram and it's always like,
oh, so your girlfriend wants to hang out with one of her work colleagues after work?
You have to dump her, kind of like really somewhat dumb shit, right?
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I mean, it's so stupid.
Yeah, and here I am.
Just last week I went to a restaurant with my girlfriend,
all her friends and a guy that she used to date and they're still friends.
And here I was at the restaurant completely against all red pill code.
Bro, did you let her be friends with her ex?
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I even let her talk to him.
Oh my God.
Bro, how many kids do they have?
How many what?
How many children do they have?
Probably a thousand.
You're just providing for their lifestyle?
Yes.
Why would you do that?
Are you even a real alpha?
No, I'm beta as fuck.
I don't realize it until I just until, yeah, I guess I should break up with her now,
but I don't want to because I can never get someone of that value again.
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Yeah, I think this is the point where you should just end the podcast.
And you know what you hear is walk out of our chairs and you hear me pick up the phone
and I'm like, hey, yeah, we need to talk.
I think I have to break up, but I don't really want to.
That would be good.
I was just thinking when you said the whole thing, let's say my girl does run into the
early couple and they hit it off and they actually have a great connection and it's a good time
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and he seems to want something long term in her.
I was thinking would she do it or not?
Like if the connection is really good, obviously there's a whole lifestyle there that I could never provide.
Both lots of money and fancy things.
She would enjoy those things.
And then if also the connection is there and she feels understood and he can, he's like,
hey, I want to go for this long term.
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Probably there's good odds that.
I mean, assuming they hit it off better than you guys.
I mean, yeah, then he's better on every level.
Yeah.
Although I heard Leonardo DiCaprio doesn't have these nice full round oversized balls that I have.
So I might just be winning still.
But isn't the fact that he can't have children.
That's why all the women leave him when they turn 25.
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I have no clue.
Is that the thing?
That's what I believe in.
Yeah.
Do you think that he really leaves every girlfriend when they turn 25?
I think now he's dating a woman.
There was some woman, some sort of icon, super hot.
And she was with some famous DJ guy and she left.
She was married to the famous DJ guy.
She left him for DiCaprio, but she's over 25.
So I think that thing is no longer, it's no longer you're dumped at 25.
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Maybe Leo is becoming desperate.
What a bad thought as well.
What a complete loser.
Let's be real.
I mean, in essence, it all comes down to you having personality, right?
If you're having fun yourself, if you're being fun to be around,
if you understand the people that you hang out with have empathy and all of these elements,
it goes a very long way.
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And we see this with all of these surfer guys that essentially live in a fucking truck by the beach.
And some of them have very caring, loving relationships.
Yeah.
And to a lot of women that is even without status and money,
even taking all of that away, even that would still be enough just to personality.
And it's funny because these people that I know that are really into this red pill stuff, like...
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How do you even know?
I don't know people that are into that.
Well, I think a bunch of people that I know are hardcore into this and rotate stuff.
Oh.
You know, they do like this, some sort of online business,
but you can see it in the pictures they post.
It's always like nice cars, cigars, playing chess.
I probably know like 10 guys like that.
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I met a bunch of them through Stefan.
Oh, funny.
I think it's like one social circle.
And they're all kind of into that and they're all posting this stuff.
And most of the people that I see that are into that are not dating what we would consider attractive women.
It's like these kind of like almost like girls that give very heavy gold digger vibes to me.
And this is not women that you want to be dating,
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that are dating you because of who you are.
They're dating you because of what you can provide.
And because they think that all that women care about is what you provide,
that's exactly the women they will attract.
Yeah.
It's so funny if you really think about it.
I know what you mean.
Yeah, I know that you know.
Like they all have a little fancy handbag purse,
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like a little Chanel type of purse, a dress, a little bit too much makeup.
Yeah, a little bit too trying to be sexy and hot.
Yeah. And then everything they post is photos of them on a nice holiday or in a nice restaurant
or her with the guy with wearing his best shirt.
And the guys exactly, I think it's so funny.
And I've seen a few guys more do this now than before.
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I guess it must have been the influence of Tate,
but the guys that are working on their own business and suddenly they're posting these,
them in front of the computer hustling and they're smoking a cigar.
And yeah, it's not a parody, they're taking it very seriously.
But I also recently saw a guy started posting these type of things where I know the guy
decently well, he's a smart dude, he's pretty cool, he's not a dumbass,
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and more and more he's becoming this sort of, hey, I'm a business hustler, cigars,
this is all that matters, guy.
Yeah, I think there's this and rotate guy that promotes this,
but there's also, I forgot his name, this guy from, you for sure know him,
this guy from Las Vegas who used to be, do these red carpet shows.
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And then he became a dating coach and his whole thing now is teaching guys how to create this lifestyle
on Instagram and where they do events and like fashion events and fashion shoots.
Michael Sartain, I think is his name.
I don't know who that is. Maybe when I see it.
Yeah, and I have a couple of these guys that I know did his course
and now all of their Instagrams look the same.
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It's all this like them with girls and it looks all complete fake
and everybody with two brain cells looks at it and is like, okay, some stage thing.
But I guess if you only know one guy like that, you will not realize how fake it is.
But I have like 20 guys that I follow and it all looks the same
and some of them even do these events together.
So they have the same pictures from the same events with some girls
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that try to get some free pictures because they're trying to become models.
And that's also what it is with these guys. They don't even care.
On the contrary, I was going to say they don't even care that they all have super similar Instagrams.
They are very happy, satisfied that they have super similar Instagrams
because that's the only thing that they see as attractive and success
and it's going to help them also with girls.
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Maybe they're more so trying to impress other business guys
but in the end, I think it always comes down to girls.
So interesting and I love the point that you brought up.
If those are your beliefs, hey, girls care about status and money,
then you are going to attract those girls.
Yeah, that was probably a pretty good summary of it.
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If that's what you think, then that's also if you think that's what girls care about,
then that's exactly the girls you will attract.
And they'll keep believing that until it's something that you and I talked about on our podcast
where we were rambling about the whole, hey guys, think they can win a fight and seduce a girl.
You said they believe that until there is proof of the contrary.
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And there's going to be the same thing here until they get proof like, hey, I could actually get this quality, feminine, caring, wholesome girl
that doesn't just want a little expensive Chanel bag to break to other girls
or doesn't want to make Instagram stories in expensive restaurants or whatever in some fancy ass pool.
Then, yeah, you know what? I always wondered.
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So I guess through people get to know me a little bit through my YouTube videos and the articles and articles that are right on my website.
And you only signed up for my courses and my dating coaching when you sort of agree with my values, right?
Because I think out of there's been about 600 guys or something that have come in my mentoring program.
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I can only remember really one red pillar who eventually I kicked out of the group because it was getting so annoying.
This is the type of guy that every time guys shared conversations asking for feedback, he would be like, just ask her out, bro.
Just ask her out. Why are you just, why are you still texting? Just ask her out.
All the time it was getting so annoying, which is again one of their beliefs, right?
The texting is only to set up the date super, super quick.
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So I've always wondered these guys, because so many guys are into girls that I look at the girls' Instagram or dating profile
and I'm like, why are you even interested in her? It's very clearly visible that she cares for the wrong things.
It's clearly a profile that wants to show her as hot as possible the whole time and then she's in fancy high value environments with fancy items.
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Why would you want a girl like that? But so many guys, even smart guys and guys I respect, keep being attracted to these type of girls
and I don't really have the answer, is that because do they not see that that is not in most cases a quality partner or someone that you can really be yourself with?
Or I don't really understand.
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Same. I also don't understand. It's probably that they don't see it.
I was going to make the point before you went into that and then I realized it's exactly the same thing,
that when guys look at girls and you see that sometimes in the comments of YouTube videos or of these reels on Instagram
where guys are like, this girl is for the streets or whatever, you know, these kind of comments,
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then you realize that most guys do want what you just described, this cute, wholesome, caring, loving girl.
But they think that almost every girl is a whore that only cares for their money or their status or whatever.
So they try to fit that idea that all that girls want is looks, status, money.
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So they try to be cool on all of their Instagram and they don't realize that that actually repels this small percentage of girls that they actually truly want.
Oh yeah. So it's like a little prophecy.
Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
And then they cannot connect with these girls because they don't really even get to meet them because these girls don't hang out in the place that these tryhard guys hang out.
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They don't hang out at some fancy shitty clubs where people only go to get tables.
They don't match them on social media because they don't, or on dating apps because these girls don't find such guys attractive.
So in their reality, all that girls care about is looks, status, money, and then that's all that these guys go for.
But it's self-fulfilling prophecy.
They just, they only meet those girls because they only go to places where those girls show up.
(26:20):
Yeah. I don't know why they find these girls attractive though because these guys, when you ask, when they tell you what a hot girl for them is,
a lot of the time they will show you that type of girl.
And I mean, even when we watched dating shows yesterday, when we put on Too Hot To Handle, season six,
like this is the archetype of these girls, you look at them and you know that there's like a little too fake, a little too wannabe.
(26:43):
Yeah. Well, and also on this show, they literally have no brain cells at all.
Sure. But what I mean is that a lot of guys watching is like, fuck, these girls are so hot.
Yeah. Yeah. That is true.
It would be very interesting to dig deeper into this. Why do they, why do they find them so hot?
Well, in my coaching calls, when I see guys that are maybe matching this type of women, I can ask them, okay, I'll do some research.
(27:07):
What is it that attracts you so much about this?
It's talkable again when we know.
Yeah. But I, my prediction would be that they have never really taken the time to sit down what they actually want in a woman
and what that would look like and maybe what that would even look like more specifically on a dating profile.
I think it could be just that they haven't realized yet that they're chasing what they think is the hot woman to society
(27:31):
or to men in general want this girl. So I need to have this girl.
I just don't really get it with these girls that wear a lot of makeup because all I think about is what is, what would she look like without the makeup?
And then you're like, you have really have no idea.
And I have this one really good friend of mine who's really into girls with huge asses and huge tits.
I mentioned him a couple of times, right? When he really almost starts drooling when he sees these girls
(27:55):
that have like fake asses and stuff like that.
But he very clearly says, hey, I don't think that these girls are like 10 out of 10 attractive.
It's just a fetish. Like I look at it and I find it mega hot.
Yeah.
But it's not, I know that it's not really, I don't think it's pretty.
Yeah.
It just really turns me on.
And that was quite interesting because for me was also a big realization that there's like a difference between these two things.
(28:21):
What really triggers you sexually might not even be what you think is hot.
But most guys I think don't are not self reflected enough and don't understand what they really want in girls.
Yeah.
What they want in life.
Yeah.
That's a good point.
That's a really good point.
We have a common friend who recently had some, was a proper way to say it again.
I was going to say boner issues.
(28:42):
How do you say it more medically?
How does erectile dysfunction electrified?
So he's had some erectile dysfunction and he just realized, well, he realized, of course, he went on a whole journey journey.
Why is this happening?
He went into therapy.
He went to doctors.
He's like tried everything and he did a lot of self reflecting.
I think some, he realized some very interesting things.
And one of them was that what he thought he was turned on by an attractor to, he always thought this is what I'm attracted to.
(29:10):
This is what turns me on. And then he realized, Hey, this is actually not, this is not what turns me on.
And he realized some other things that he didn't realize before really did turn him on.
And when he was with us, other things, his boner would work just fine.
Whereas the other things, I haven't talked to him about it.
So I'm just going to say he thought he was into specific types of bills and features on girls.
(29:33):
And he would constantly chase those.
But then he figured out that those were actually not having a biological or hormonal or whatever effect on him.
Interesting.
So to make it very concrete, let's say he was always into curvy girls and then suddenly he was with skinnier girls and poof, dick problems gone.
I'm oversimplifying it.
But one of these realizations was part of the solution for him.
(29:56):
Another part of the solution was the way he saw dating and his knees, what he was chasing.
He realized, man, that's a whole topic for another time.
We could have a erectile dysfunction.
Maybe that's what the whole podcast should be about.
What triggers men's erectile dysfunction and how to overcome it.
Yes.
And we could have a hundred episodes if my buddy wants to come on the show because he's done the whole journey.
(30:20):
And it's not over yet.
On this note, before we finish this podcast, I would like to make it very clear that Nils and I have no erectile dysfunction.
And we even just speak for yourself.
Oh, sorry.
Sorry, Nils does have erectile dysfunction.
Hey, thanks for coming on the podcast.
I'll see you next time you fly into Amsterdam.
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