Child's Play

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Speaker 5 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yes.
Yes.
You said it correctly.

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I literally, as I was saying it, had a mini panic
attack because I was soconfident in the fact that I was
saying it correctly, but I'mjust like, what if it's not
right?

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Nope.
You nailed it.
All five syllables of it.
C A N C I A T O.
That's it.
That is

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five syllables.
Five syllables.
Ten

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letters, five syllables.

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we just took a bit of a break.
We look exactly the same.
That's right.
As we did for our last episode.
For those of

Speaker 2 (01:05):
you who cannot see us, we still look phenomenal.

Speaker (01:07):
Yes, I am still chafing, I'm still fidgeting.
I did put some gold bond into mycorset.
But it's just, it is what it is.
I

Speaker 2 (01:15):
legitimately We have a salsa stain on my shirt.
Look at that

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There are worse stains to have on your shirt.
That is the truth.
That is chugga chugga true truei've been there Again, rapidly
derailed We're in a chaotictime, and that's okay.
So, we are here to talk about,but a, but a, but a, but a, but
a child's play child's play from1988.

(01:43):
We're jumping right on intofranchise Friday with the first
installment of our.
Series franchise.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yes.
This is the franchise franchise

Speaker (01:52):
Fridays.
Yes, indeed.
Donnie.
Yes.
So Child's Play, created byhottie of the century, Don
Mancini.
Take a drink.
Take a drink, baby.
So tell me what you know aboutit.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, what I remember from, you know, growing up
around this time period is adoll called my buddy.
And I don't remember when mybuddy came out specifically, but
I know it was before child'splay.
And everybody wanted to have mybuddy and it was, about the same
height as Chucky and uh, therewas a little theme song that I
remember.

(02:25):
I'm gonna sing it for you.
It was, my buddy, my buddy,wherever he goes, no, wherever I
go, he's gonna go.
My buddy, my buddy, my buddy andme.
And I'll never forget it, I'llnever forget it, it is locked in
my head.
And I think Child's Playprobably came from this

(02:48):
terrifying, large doll that allof these children were clam, you
know, clamoring for.
On top of that, there were theCabbage Patch dolls of the 80s,
which, you know, people wereliterally buying to sell on the
black market, if you will, youknow, to, to get um, The money,
because people were willing topay anything for these dolls.

(03:10):
So when Child's Play came out, Iremember thinking, Ah, yes, I
see, I see where this is comingfrom.

Speaker (03:15):
I know that the My Buddy doll had a lot there was
inspiration pulled from that,because, First off, that doll
looked scary as hell.
Oh yeah,

Speaker 2 (03:25):
it was terrifying.

Speaker (03:25):
Like it looked, I feel like the My Buddy doll looked
scarier than Chucky, personally.
I think

Speaker 2 (03:30):
so too.
And then a couple years after MyBuddy, they came out with one
for the girls.
Did you know about this?
No.
She was called Kid Sister.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Oh god.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
And the song was the same, but it was Kid Sister, Kid
Sister.

Speaker (03:43):
Heavy eye roll insert.
That's so stupid.
Yeah, it was pretty dumb.
Oh my god, the fucking genderingof everything in the 80s was
absolute nonsense.
Oh, yeah Yeah, oh my god That'sdisgusting, I'm sorry That's
just repulsive.
I think that's stupid.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
It was dumb.
Only boys could have my buddyand girls had to have kid sister
Boo.

Speaker (04:06):
Boo

Speaker 2 (04:07):
on the gendering.

Speaker (04:08):
Ugh, nonsense.
But, yeah, that, the CabbagePatch Dolls.
I know Don um, his father workedin advertising.
And so, he had a lot of insighton how these ad agencies and how
marketing specifically towardschildren went and how it was
kind of like nefarious and justlike a little, it was very
targeted.
They were like, all like futureconsumers and just like, I mean,

(04:32):
we all know this now, but Ithink at the time, you know, the
eighties was a time of likeindulgence and consumerism

Speaker 2 (04:40):
for sure And then kids insisting on getting
whatever it was and the parentsbuying it because it was
consistently you were beingberated with it.
There were commercials all daylong.
You know, that's all you saw.
They were the cereals, you know,so of course you wanted the
product.

Speaker (04:54):
Absolutely.
Now in the original version ofchild's play though, it wasn't
like we didn't have Charles LeeRay.
We had And honestly, like I hadmixed feelings about this
because I love the original ideathat they had for the doll But
what they ended up with is Ithink the reason why we have
such a successful franchise.
So It's fine.

(05:15):
But the original version of thedoll it was blood buddy Or the
the movie was blood buddies andlike this doll it was a doll
that could bleed You know, itwas kind of like, um, what was
the doll that would wet itspants?

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Betsy wetsy

Speaker (05:29):
betsy wetsy.
It was like a betsy wetsy butwith blood And it the intention
was like to teach children howto play safe with their toys But
it was really about like, oh youPlay too rough with your doll
and now he's bleeding looks likeyou have to go get bloody buddy
Band aids and you have to getall of this stuff and just you
know that machine that feedsinto it.

(05:49):
But when don's script got pickedup They landed on a serial
killer instead of You Thisbloody buddy doll that ended up
being a representation of thechild's id.
It couldn't

Speaker 2 (06:03):
possibly be more different.
Yeah.
You know,

Speaker (06:06):
which I, I love the idea of, you know, this toy
coming to life and acting outall of the repressed emotions
that this child is dealing with.
I think, cause we don't really.
And I could imagine at the time,view children as people with
complex emotions.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
No, no, certainly not.
They were just little extensionsof the parents.

Speaker (06:29):
But with the original screenplay, it's like we had
this moment of the horror.
Of repressed emotions that, thatchildren deal with, especially
when they have shitty adults intheir life, which we still get a
lot of that in this movie.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You get the loving adult, butyou also get shitty adults.
he grows up in a, you know,broken home, if you will, which
was a big thing in the eighties.
Oh yeah.
You know, I remember the the waythat my, not, not my family, but
the way kids from divorcedfamilies were kind of looked at
as Oh, that poor child, thatpoor, poor child.

(07:03):
They don't have a mother and afather.
They're obviously going tosuffer in some emotional
capacity.
So divorce, you know, it'sstill, it's still demonized, but
you know, in the eighties, itwas this horrible thing that
this, this child had to, Endure.
Yeah.

Speaker (07:19):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's wild.
It's interesting, but I love it.
You know, the, the same uh,themes that Don included you
know, being a child that feltkind of isolated and that didn't
have, you know, friends or likea whole family unit, whatever.
We still see that in this movie.
But this time we do get theblessing of Brad Dourif as

(07:42):
Charles Lee Ray.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Oh, yes.
Yes.

Speaker (07:46):
The most serial killer of serial killer names.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yes, yes.
And why is that?
Because

Speaker (07:53):
Um, The, oh, the, the Three serial killers inspired
the name.
Yep.
So there's

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Charles for Charles Manson,

Speaker (08:01):
Lee for Lee Harvey Oswald and

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Ray for

Speaker (08:04):
James Earl Ray,

Speaker 2 (08:05):
who killed Martin Luther King.

Speaker (08:07):
Correct.
This is a pop quiz, everybody.
That's right.
Hope you pay attention inhistory.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yep.
That is quite the serial killername.
It

Speaker (08:14):
is.
So, let's go ahead.
We're just going to jump rightinto the movie and meet our
serial killer because do it.
That's the first thing thismovie starts us off with is a
chase scene that also feels alittle bit like an Herbal
Essence commercial because weget Brad Dorff all hot in the
eighties with long, luscious

Speaker 2 (08:35):
flowing locks.

Speaker (08:36):
Oh, it's so beautiful.
Running from the cops,

Speaker 2 (08:40):
which, and immediately you're kind of like,
I want to know more about thisman who's running from the cops
because He seems like the moreinteresting party.

Speaker (08:48):
He really does.
You know?
I mean, he's dressed like he'sgot like this killer trench coat
on late 80s fashion is kind oflike, it's very clockable.
Oh, for sure.
It's, it's like, you know, whenyou're in the late 80s, based
off of the fashion, but thatdoesn't mean it didn't slay a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
It did slay.
Yeah.
It was pretty good.
Yeah.
I think

Speaker (09:05):
he looks great.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker (09:07):
So, yeah, our buddy Charles Lee Ray is running from
the cop and there's a bit of ashootout that's happening and
the cop ends up, I thought,shooting Charles Lee Ray in the
ass.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I think it's like the back of the leg.

Speaker (09:19):
I would agree.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
But yes, you thought it was the ass?

Speaker (09:21):
My headcanon is the cop shot.
An ass shot.
It's an ass shot.
It's always an ass shot.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
And then Charles Lee Ray runs into the first
available building that he canget himself into.

Speaker (09:32):
Which is a toy store.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
A nice, terrifying toy store.

Speaker (09:36):
But not before the most important person in this movie.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Valid,

Speaker (09:40):
Eddie Caputo.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Eddie Caputo.
Don't forget about Eddie Caputo.

Speaker (09:43):
He's the most important person in this movie, everybody.
Eddie Caputo sees Charles LeeRay getting shot in the ass leg,
and, drives off and leaves him.
The

Speaker 2 (09:54):
getaway driver gets away

Speaker (09:56):
without the precious package of Brad Dourif.
So yes, he ends up in this like,massive ass toy store.
Yeah, it's pretty big.
Well,

Speaker 2 (10:04):
It's like Toys R Us and KB Toy Store had a baby with
a little bit of F.
A.
O.
Schwartz thrown in there.

Speaker (10:10):
Mm hmm.
With also some Regal Cinemas.
And I'm just because of the neonlights.
Because of

Speaker 2 (10:15):
the lights.
There's neon lights.
Yeah,

Speaker (10:17):
there's tons of neon lights.
So, he goes into this store.
And the shootout pursues, and weget this line uh, where Charles
is screaming at the cop, andhe's like, I'm gonna get you and
Eddie Caputo, the most importantperson in this movie.
Don't forget.
No matter what.

(10:39):
And then he gets shot.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Then he gets like shot shot.

Speaker (10:42):
Like shot shot, like ooh ow.
And so he ends up in this pileof good guy dolls.
And before we know it, we getour favorite incantation.
Ade due dambala.
Give me

Speaker 2 (10:55):
the power I beg of you.
And then the lightning strikesand the clouds roll in and
there's all this 1980s likespecial effects or you know,
special effect.
'cause they used it in everysingle movie, you know?
Yeah.

Speaker (11:09):
The clouds that look like mashed potatoes.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
And they're kind of purple.

Speaker (11:12):
Mm-Hmm.
Yes.
So they roll in and then we getthis big special effects
lightning bolts.
Right?
That burst right through the topof the store.
And everything explodes.
I just hit my mic when I saidthat.
You've gotten really excited.
I got really excited.
Cause everything exploded.
It was a practical explosion.
It was a practical, it lookedreally cool.

(11:34):
And even the cop who, by theway, is played by Chris
Sarandon,

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Chris Sarandon, who was a big, big hottie in the
eighties.
He was, you know, making thosemovies all the time.

Speaker (11:44):
And who apparently.
Voiced was the speaking voicefor Jack Skellington.
In Nightmare Before Christmas.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Oh yeah, I suppose he was, right?
I

Speaker (11:53):
think so.
And then

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Danny Elfman was the singing voice.
I believe

Speaker (11:56):
so.
Get at us in the comments if I'mwrong.
I don't think I'm wrong.
I don't think I'm wrong, but ifI'm wrong, let me know.
But yeah, he ends up gettingblown back.
He survives the explosion causehe has to of course cause cops
survive everything in theeighties

Speaker 2 (12:11):
right.
And like lightning basicallyhits them.
And he's I'm good.
I was wearing my vest.

Speaker (12:16):
The laws on my side.
So, yeah.
And as far as we know CharlesLee Ray is dead.
As far as we know.
As far as we know.
As far as we know.
We don't fully know whathappened yet.
And then from there we cut to abright sunny morning.
In a beautiful apartment inChicago.
In

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Chicago, mm

Speaker (12:37):
hmm.
And we get the cutest of cutestkid actors.
He

Speaker 2 (12:40):
is pretty cute.

Speaker (12:41):
Alex Vincent.
Mm hmm.
I don't know how old he was.
I should have looked it up.
But he was a tiny little child.
Yeah.
When he, when they made thismovie.
And he is so adorable and alsoso effective.
I just, I just love him, buthe's making a sugary as fuck
breakfast that he is like burnttoast, which isn't sugary, but

(13:03):
it's, that's the, as fuck.
But he has a big bowl of cerealwhere he throws three like
ladles.
sugar into it and you know, africking bowling ball sized
butter on the burnt toast andhe's making breakfast for his

(13:24):
mom, which I, and I've told youthis before, I have made a very
similar breakfast for my mom.
Really?
I did.
Not for my birthday.
It was for her birthday.
I still wasn't allowed to usethe stove.
I was like 10.
I was like 10 years old, Ithink.
Maybe 11.
I wasn't allowed to use thestove, but I was allowed to use
the microwave.
There

Speaker 2 (13:42):
you go.

Speaker (13:43):
So I microwaved everything.
I microwaved the bacon, Imicrowaved the eggs

Speaker 2 (13:49):
microwave eggs.
I didn't

Speaker (13:50):
microwave the toast.
I was allowed to use a toaster.
Good.
Good.
Good.
But, yeah, I made my mom a verysimilarly disgusting breakfast
for her birthday and I sat thereand I watched her eat it.
I made her eat it in front ofme.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Oh, bless

Speaker (14:02):
her heart.
She said it was the mostdisgusting thing she's ever
eaten in her life.
But our mother doesn't have toeat this nasty breakfast.
Yeah, luckily

Speaker 2 (14:11):
she sneaks out of it.

Speaker (14:12):
Yes, she does.
Because, little cute AndyBarclay.
Brings his breakfast to his momand as soon as she sees what it
is.
She's like I'm gonna eat thislater Let's go open up your
presents.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Nothing will distract a child from gross breakfast
like presents,

Speaker (14:31):
which honestly I feel like he He must have known she
wasn't gonna eat that breakfast.
You think so?
I think I think it was amanipulation tactic I think he's
like it's my birthday.
I want to my presence now.
So I'm going to wake my mom upand threaten you with this meal
by bringing her this this mealthat she probably will not want
to eat.

(14:51):
I'm probably giving like a sixyear old too much credit here.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Potentially.
It seems like it's an innocentgesture.

Speaker (14:56):
I don't know.
I still think he's like, it's mybirthday.
I'm making my mom breakfast.
So she'll at least wake up.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
That's a possibility.

Speaker (15:03):
When she wakes up, I get to open up my presence,
which by the way, all the timehe's making this breakfast
again, eighties, good guypropaganda everywhere.
There's a TV show.
There's good guys, cereal,cereal, cereal, good guys,
cereal.
Andy wants a good guy dollbecause it's literally being
shoved down his throat by themedia.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
That was the big thing.
Mm hmm.

Speaker (15:24):
And so we get to his presents and lo and behold,
there's a good guy doll shapedand sized box.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, this just seems cruel.

Speaker (15:31):
It is cruel because he opens it up and what is it, what
is one thing that children donot want on their birthday?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Socks.

Speaker (15:37):
It's clothing.
Yeah.
It's clothing.
And, yeah, it does seem cruel.
Like,

Speaker 2 (15:42):
She must have gotten that box, you know, or who, who
puts clothing in a box exactlythat size?
It's not like it was stockedfull of clothing.
Exactly.

Speaker (15:52):
Like this box, to paint a picture for y'all, it's gotta
be, it's at least, I would saythree feet long.
Sure, yeah.
And probably about like a footor two, like girth wise.
You're going to put a singlepair of pants in there.
Yeah, that's

Speaker 2 (16:06):
what it seemed like.

Speaker (16:06):
You're setting your kid up for disappointment.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Absolutely.

Speaker (16:09):
But it's okay because we love our mother because she
is so wonderfully played byCatherine Hicks.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes.
What do you like to call her?

Speaker (16:19):
Oh, Catherine.
Seven heaven mom.
Oh, she has a seventh heavenmom.
Yes.
And there's that, that infamousclip of her as a seventh heaven
mom telling her husband.
I have something to tell you.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
It's so drama.
I've smoked pot.

Speaker (16:36):
she might as well have told him that she murdered
somebody.
Oh yeah,

Speaker 2 (16:38):
yeah.
I didn't watch that show becausereligion.

Speaker (16:41):
I think I watched a couple of episodes when I was a
kid, but I didn't realize thatit was a religious show.
I think I was just watching itbecause Jessica Biel.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's a good reason.
Yeah.
Plus they, they didn't like, Imean, I They can make it overtly
religious, but that's, that waswhy it was so insidious.

Speaker (17:00):
Yeah.
Cause you have a pastor freakingout about a child smoking
marijuana, which is like verynineties and I guess like
marijuana being like, thedevil's lettuce, the devil, that
jazz cabbage.
Frickin being in dare and likebeing fricking indoctrinated by
just like, first off in darethey're treating their, they act

(17:23):
like drug dealers are going tocome up to you and give you shit
for free.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yes, they do.
And every day it's going tohappen every day of your life.

Speaker (17:29):
Yeah.
Someone's going to offer yousome like marijuana or like PCP
or acid or whatever for freejust cause.
They're out to get you, kid.
Mm

Speaker 2 (17:37):
hmm.

Speaker (17:38):
Oh, God.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I wish.

Speaker (17:41):
Oh, my goodness.
Anyway, we still love, Karen isthe mother's name.
Karen,

Speaker 2 (17:46):
unfortunately.
Unfortunately.
Also known as

Speaker (17:48):
Catherine Hicks, also known as 7th Heaven's Mom.
And we may refer to her in anycombination of them.
Right.
She doesn't have just one namehere.
I'm so sorry.
So anyway, she tells Andy thatshe didn't have enough uh, time
to save up for the doll, whichis like indicating to us that
she is a struggling mother.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
She's a struggling mother and she has a gorgeous
apartment in a beautifulbuilding.
But she really only gets to wearlike one or two outfits during
the entire movie.
So it's a little confusing.

Speaker (18:19):
Yeah.
She has one pair of boots, onepair of boots.
And

Speaker 2 (18:22):
one jacket that she wears almost the entire time.

Speaker (18:25):
I'm not gonna shit on it for that though, because I
have one jacket that I wear allthe time.
Jackets are expensive Likejackets are wild

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I feel like they were able to like Save up money for
the 1980 special effects becausethey only gave her one costume.
Yeah

Speaker (18:41):
Their wardrobe department was just like a
salesperson at the dollar tree.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yep

Speaker (18:45):
We're

Speaker 2 (18:45):
dollar

Speaker (18:46):
trees back in

Speaker 2 (18:46):
the 80s.
I don't recall any dollar treesin

Speaker (18:48):
the 80s

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Back in the 80s things only cost a fucking
dollar.
So

Speaker (18:52):
oh, so everything was a dollar tree in the 80s yeah, so
she says that she'll get it forhim soon But instead of getting
him the good guy doll she getshim like the good guy hammer.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Right, right.
Like an accessory for the doll.

Speaker (19:05):
Yeah, the doll that I can't get you, I'm going to give
you an accessory for that dollso you can continue to want the
doll that I cannot get you.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's an, it's a sweet gesture, but it's a little
misplaced.

Speaker (19:18):
It is, it's a sweet gesture.
I just like ragging on Karen's,but we do like this Karen.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
So now Karen goes to work and we get to see where
Karen works and it is at kind ofa department store.
Seems like one of those buyanything and everything in this
vicinity.
And she works behind the counterselling

Speaker (19:37):
I think she's behind the jewelry counter.
The

Speaker 2 (19:39):
jewelry

Speaker (19:40):
counter.
Because I remember it being soscandalous that she left
everything unattended.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Oh yes, that's true, that's true.
Oh

Speaker (19:47):
my gosh,

Speaker 2 (19:48):
this is where we meet Aunt Maggie, otherwise known as

Speaker (19:52):
Marty Maraschino from Greece, from Greece, the one
woman USO.
That's

Speaker 2 (19:57):
right.
The, the, the only greatcharacter out of all the extra
girl characters.

Speaker (20:02):
Honestly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Played by Diana Manoff.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Yes.
Which Diana Manoff sounds like adrag queen's name.

Speaker (20:11):
The only reason I can remember it is Diana

Speaker 2 (20:13):
Manoff.

Speaker (20:14):
Because, because you told me that because it's like
Diana Manoff, like dine, dine,eat man, man, off, off.
I'm going to dine a man off.
Yeah, dine a man off.
Dine a man off.
I spent way too much timebreaking down a very obvious
reason why that sounds like.
But yes, Diana Manoff, alsoknown as Marty Maraschino.
And

Speaker 2 (20:33):
she's a badass.
Yes.
She's a badass.

Speaker (20:36):
She is.
And she, what I love is like,she's always like looking out
for her friend.
She's always looking out for afriend because she runs up and
she's like, Hey, there's somelike back alley shit going on.
Yes.
Yes.
And that doll that you want.
I think it's back there.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Known, a character known as like the peddler is
back, back in the back alleywith a cart full of crap.
And one of the things that hehas is this good guy doll that
is, what is it?
It it's been, Written off orit's, it's how, I think he

Speaker (21:07):
just pulled it from the wreckage.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Oh, it's that's, that's it.
He must've just found it.
He must've just found it.
The wreckage

Speaker (21:14):
just ransacked this busted ass toy store.
I mean, looting.
I mean, I guess.
I was big in the eighties.
I would have done the samething.
If I saw like a completelyexploded toy store, I would have
rummaged and grabbed a couple of

Speaker 2 (21:24):
get the stuff, you know, you're going to be able to
sell some hot ticket items.
I mean,

Speaker (21:28):
it worked,

Speaker 2 (21:29):
it did work.
And what does she end up payingfor it?

Speaker (21:32):
I think he wanted to sell it.
So the dollar originally wentfor a hundred bucks, which is
wild considering this was theeighties.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, that's two million dollars.
That's

Speaker (21:40):
a lot of 80s dollars.
So the doll originally went for100.
He was trying to sell it for 50.
Right.
And then Marty Maraschino waslike, no, no, no.
Absolutely not.
And then so Mama Karen said,I'll give you 30.
And Marty Maraschino was like,no, that's still too much.
And then Mama was just like,listen, my son wants this
fucking doll.

(22:01):
I'm going to get it to him andhonestly like she has a point
like going from like getting a70 percent discount That's
pretty good imagine like I don'tknow I'm trying to come up with
like a modern PlayStation five.
Let's say, you know, PlayStationfive expensive as fuck.
Everyone's trying to get them.
They're selling out, whatever,whatever.
And you're able to not only getone, which in itself is already

(22:23):
challenging, but get one for 70percent off.
You're going to get it.
You're going to get it.
Like it doesn't fucking matter.
Even if

Speaker 2 (22:30):
you have to buy it from the peddler in the back
alley.

Speaker (22:33):
So she does.
And she gets it.
And that's it.
Fucking Pencil Neck Boss.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Pencil Neck Boss, the Pencil Neck.
Mm hmm.
He is just livid because sheleft the counter unattended.
And then he has the audacity toinsist that she come back in
later that night.

Speaker (22:51):
Yeah, he says something like, you know, somebody called
out and he says, I won't beworking this shift.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Mm

Speaker (22:58):
hmm.
So you will be.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yep.
See pencil neck.

Speaker (23:01):
And he's also like an extra asshole because Marty
Maraschino was like, I'll coverit.
Cause the mom's like, it's myson's birthday, you know?
And he's just like, I don'tcare.
Yeah.
And Marty's like, I'll cover it.
And he's like, no, no, no.
You work in shoes, right?
She works in jewelry.
She needs to do it.
Fucking asshole.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Yeah.
And can you imagine being toldthat by your boss nowadays?
You know, you need to come backin for a shift that you didn't.
Oh, you know what?
That actually still happens.

Speaker (23:29):
Yeah, I would quit that job would quit

Speaker 2 (23:31):
that job too.
I would walk out right then,child or not.

Speaker (23:34):
I love quitting a job.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
It's so, so fulfilling.

Speaker (23:38):
It's so satisfying.
I'm just going to say, ifanybody out there has the
ability to quit a job, it is sosatisfying.
Do it when you need to.
Do it when you need to.
Yes.
Um.
Tips from cry, tips from crybaby and Donnie.
Yeah, your job,

Speaker 2 (23:55):
quit, quit.
Everything will be fine.
It'll all work out.

Speaker (23:58):
But mama Karen can't quit because she is a single
mother.
Right.
And maybe

Speaker 2 (24:03):
under those circumstances, don't quit.

Speaker (24:04):
Yeah.
So since pencil dick neck bosswon't let Marty Maraschino cover
the shift.
She has agreed to watch Andy forhis birthday.
Yeah, she's gonna babysit.
But the boss is nice and kindenough to be like, I'll let you
go home for two hours before youcome back.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Isn't that weird?
Go take your two hour break andthen come back for the night
shift.

Speaker (24:23):
Oh my god, such an asshat.
Mm

Speaker 2 (24:25):
hmm.
Mm so that's what she does.
She, she goes home for two hoursbefore she's got to go back to
her pencil neck jewelry counter,and she's got a surprise for
Andy.
Mm hmm.

Speaker (24:34):
In this scene, I think, cause she, she gives him the
coveted.
Child's Play doll.
Child's Play, the coveted, um,good guy doll.
And I feel like if you took thisscene out of context, this would
be like a lifetime originalmovie.
Oh yeah, totally could be.
Very sweet.
You know, just like the down andout mom, she gets to give her

(24:56):
child what?
What he's always wanted, and heis so happy, so much so that
when he unboxes Chucky, hescreams into the doll's face.
Yes, he does.
Hi, I'm Andy! My mic probablywent crazy.
It probably just blew up.
I Just yells into the face.
Yells.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
And the dolls, they have different names that end in
Y.
So they could be like Danny, orBilly, or probably, yeah, cute
names, you know, Donnie.
And uh, this one, of course, isnamed Chucky.
Which gives us our first, youknow, indication that perhaps
this doll is somebody we'vealready met.

Speaker (25:34):
Possibly.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.

Speaker (25:36):
Hmm.
So, Mama Karen does have to goback to work.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yes,

Speaker (25:40):
she does.
She has to go back to work.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
So, and Marty Maraschino.

Speaker (25:45):
The one woman USO.
That's

Speaker 2 (25:47):
right.
She shows up and she'sbabysitting.

Speaker (25:50):
And she's just sittin there nommin on cake.
She's like pickin that chocolatecake with her hands.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
It's birthday cake, it's delicious.
That's true.
It's great when you eat it withyour fingers.
I do it too.
Yep.

Speaker (26:03):
Normally at like 3 a.
m.
Yes, right.
I'm just like, ah.
While she's doing this, Chuckyand Andy are getting to know
each other.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
That's what I was gonna say, they're getting to
know each other.
Mm hmm.
And watching the

Speaker (26:16):
news,

Speaker 2 (26:17):
which is talking about the serial killer named
Charles Lee Ray, who wasrecently you know, assassinated
if you will, by the police.

Speaker (26:26):
And they're also talking about the whereabouts of
this movie's most importantcharacter, Eddie Caputo, Eddie
Caputo.
And all the while Andy is liketeaching, teaching Chuckie how
to build things

Speaker 2 (26:37):
with the hammer,

Speaker (26:38):
with the hammer,

Speaker 2 (26:39):
little ball peen hammer and then what happens?
It's time for bed.

Speaker (26:43):
yeah, so Marty Maraschino has Andy brush his
teeth.
And while this happens, the TVturns on and we're back to
watching the news.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Right.
She assumes, of course, thatit's him watching TV, but it's
just the doll, just the dollsitting there.

Speaker (27:00):
And so of course she thinks that Andy's playing
around.
And so she just grabs the dolland grabs Andy and she puts Andy
in bed in his shoes.
Oh no, we talked about this.
Okay.
It, it looks like his shoes.
It looks like he's wearingshoes.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
It's probably like pajamas that are attached to the
little feet, you know, likelittle booties.

Speaker (27:24):
That's what I think it is.
I just can't like my brain can'tsee it and not think like you're
wearing shoes to bed.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
You're wearing shoes to bed.
It's

Speaker (27:31):
just gross.
It really is.
But either way, she puts him ina bed with Chucky, they're
laying next to each other,fricking Andy gives Chucky a
kiss, which is creepy if youthink about it.
Yeah, it's pretty creepy.
Like There's a grown ass manthere.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Right.
Well, it's creepy if you thinkabout that.

Speaker (27:47):
Yes.
Yeah.
And then we get, this ishonestly one of my favorite
shots because it's so stupid.
We just get like this zoom in onChucky's fuck ass face, not even
doing anything.
Like it's literally, it's justlike, they have a doll.
In bed and they just zoom in onits face But nothing happens and

Speaker 2 (28:06):
it's super creepy.

Speaker (28:07):
It's

Speaker 2 (28:07):
effective.

Speaker (28:08):
It is effective.
I just think it's funny

Speaker 2 (28:10):
It is funny, but it makes you think what's going on
here.

Speaker (28:13):
That's true.
That's true But what is going onhere?
I

Speaker 2 (28:16):
don't know because at this point we haven't had
anything confirmed or denied

Speaker (28:19):
which I love like if we were to look at this movie on
its own, I love the fact thatThere's some ambiguity here
Because when we cut to MartyMaraschino, watching TV and
reading at the same time.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
You have such issues with these things.
I really do.

Speaker (28:38):
Here's cause here's the thing.
We all know I'm a Gemini.
I will not shut up about it.
That's, that's, I'm going to saythat Don Mancini is hot cause he
is.
I'm going to say that I'm aGemini.
Because I am.
Because you are.
It makes sense.
It informs a lot of my behavior.
And one of those things is, Ipersonally love stimulation.
I have lighting panels in myroom, light reactive stuff in my

(28:59):
room, I have at least five lightsources in my room, I have oil
diffusers, I have scentedcandles, I have a lot of
stimulation in my room.
But one thing you will nevercatch me doing at the same time
is reading a book while watchingTV.
Reading.
I cannot do it.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
No, too much?

Speaker (29:18):
I just think that's monster sociopathic behavior.
I really do.
Either that or I'm just jealousbecause I cannot do

Speaker 2 (29:25):
it.
You can't focus on the two atthe same time?

Speaker (29:27):
No, I can't.
But Marty Maraschino can.
She

Speaker 2 (29:31):
absolutely can.

Speaker (29:32):
And she does.
But while she does, we get likethe shot of something running
behind her.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And we can only assume that it's either Andy.
Or the doll.

Speaker (29:44):
Because they're about the same size.
And after this happens, she getsa phone call from Mama Karen.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Checking in.

Speaker (29:52):
Just checking in to see how things are going.
One line that I'll rememberMarty saying is that she has a
case of like the home alonewillies.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh yes, the home alone willies.
The home

Speaker (30:02):
alone willies.
Let's

Speaker 2 (30:03):
be honest, I get those.

Speaker (30:04):
I do too.
And I live alone.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
For the most

Speaker (30:07):
part.
For the most part.
Mm hmm.
If I'm ever home alone, I doaccidentally give myself the
home alone willies.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
You give them to

Speaker (30:13):
yourself?
I do because I like, I eitherwill watch something scary or
I'll think about somethingscary.
Like I'll just be sitting athome alone minding my business
and then my brain will be like,What if you're in a horror movie
right now?
What if there's someone in yourcloset

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Don't do that to me, why would you

Speaker (30:29):
do that?
Well, that's why I have to sleepwith my door locked now.
Really?
I always sleep with my doorlocked My door is closed and my
door is locked My closet is openbecause it's just so full of
shit that I can't fully close itSo I've grown used to it.
But yeah, I get the home alonelate night willies a lot

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Sometimes if I'm in bed, I'm like what happens if
you open your eyes and there'sjust some things standing over
the bed Right over you lurkingI'm like, what thing and then of
course I have to open my eyesjust to make sure I'm a full
grown man and I have to be like,well, let me just check.

Speaker (31:03):
I'll do that too.
Like I'll investigate behind theshower curtain, like stuff like
that.
Again, just horror minds, Iguess.
But Marty Maraschino apparentlyis a very similar.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Yes, which I can, good company.

Speaker (31:15):
tell me if this is problematic or not, but my
headcanon is that MartyMaraschino and Mama Karen, they
have some sapphic vibes betweenthem.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Oh, I don't think it's problematic at all.
Yeah.
I think, I think you're right.

Speaker (31:27):
Because here's the thing, Karen, like we know that
her dad or her dad, her husbandAndy's dad died, right?
So the best friend comes in andcomforts her.
And I'm sorry, but you know,aunt Maggie slash Marty
Marasino,

Speaker 2 (31:40):
aunt

Speaker (31:44):
Maggie slash Marty Marasino.
Maybe I'm profiling here.
I feel like she's team.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Oh yeah.
I mean, She's, she's kind ofcoded that way because she's
slightly aggressive.
And in the

Speaker (32:00):
eighties, not

Speaker 2 (32:01):
aggressive, even assertive, she's not aggressive.
She just like talks back topencil neck, you know?
And that's kind of like, Oh,okay.

Speaker (32:09):
Yeah.
And I feel like in the eightiestoo, just like thinking about
how women were coded.
If you were aggressive likethat, you were either queer or
like a spinster.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Right.
Either of those two things.
Yeah.

Speaker (32:23):
So, my headcanon is that Marty Maraschino and Andy's
mom, they have a thing going on.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
I like the idea of that.

Speaker (32:31):
Which is what makes this next event really sad.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
You remember that hammer we were talking about
earlier?
Well, it's about to get put togood

Speaker (32:40):
use.
A thousand percent, because oncewe get done with the phone call
Marty Maraschino isinvestigating and sees that some
flour has been spilled in thekitchen.
And then she turns around and

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Right to the face.
Just right in between the eyescomes this good guy hammer.

Speaker (33:01):
The smallest hammer.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 (33:02):
it's a pretty little, it's a pretty little hammer.
But apparently it's a realhammer because it does some real
damage.

Speaker (33:07):
It does.
And the physics behind this.
Yes.
I will suspend disbelief.
I will because it's a movieabout a killer doll.
Right.
But the fact that he hits her sohard in the center of the face
that she flies back, it must beat least 10 feet.
Oh yeah.

(33:27):
She's clearing tables.
Like it's at least Like sixpaces back.
And not only that, but she plowsthrough this window

Speaker 2 (33:35):
like she meant to do it, like

Speaker (33:38):
obliterates the entire facade of it.
It's pretty bad ass actually.
It's a great stunt.
Now that I'm explaining it, likeI don't think I have problems
with the physics of it becauseshe just blows this window out
and we get this great slowmotion shot of her just falling.
And falling from a beautifulapartment building.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Yeah, it's gorgeous from the corner unit of this
beautiful apartment building Andthen she crashes into the roof
of a car

Speaker (34:03):
Excellent stunt too.
Yeah.
Yeah wonderful practical That'sone of the things that I also
love about this is just like thepractical effects.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Absolutely

Speaker (34:12):
so Marty maraschino is dead.
Yes.
She's no

Speaker 2 (34:17):
more.
Sorry aunt maggie.

Speaker (34:18):
Sorry And then mama comes home from work You And she
sees all the police outside.
Meets

Speaker 2 (34:25):
every single cop in Chicago.
Oh my gosh.
So,

Speaker (34:31):
It's like a frat party is happening in her apartment.
Just like a cop frat party.
She walks in, there's policeeverywhere.
And half of them aren't doinganything.
There's a shot and I challengeyou to find it the next time you
watch it.
There's literally a cop.Sittingon her couch with his feet up on
the coffee table reading anewspaper.
Is it really?
I'm dead serious.

(34:53):
These cops ain't doing shit.
And she's running around.
She's just like, where the fuckis my son?
What's happening?
And then we find him in thebedroom with Chris Randon.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Chris Randon is back.
Mhm.
Being his gorgeous self.

Speaker (35:08):
His gorgeous nosy self.
And he has absolutely no chillwhen he tells Mama Karen that
her best friend is dead.
Right, it was Like, she's, she'sjust like, what's going on?
He's like, she's dead.
That's it.
That's it.
Yep.
She fell from the, she, she fellfrom the window.
No, no empathy, no nothing.
Fucking straight men, dude.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Straight cis men.
Yeah.
Straight cis

Speaker (35:32):
cops.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
There we go.

Speaker (35:34):
But yeah, so she finds out that her best friend has
passed away.
And again, Catherine Hicks, likeI will sing her praises.
I think she performed reallywell.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
She did too.
She's one of the things thatmade the movie so good is
because she gave such agrounding performance.

Speaker (35:48):
Yeah, she her response like she seems genuinely
devastated to the point whereShe doesn't even really give a
shit about what the cops Aretrying to do or trying to ask
her.
She just wants them to get thefuck out even when Chris
Sarandon is like there'sfootprints in the flower and
then he checks the bottom ofAndy's shoes Which I mean they
do match like it's the samepattern the good guy pattern

(36:11):
This is

Speaker 2 (36:11):
why the shoes were there in the first place why he
goes to bed in them

Speaker (36:14):
That's true, because we needed the red herring

Speaker 2 (36:17):
right the red

Speaker (36:17):
herring the red herring but yeah, she's like get the
fuck out of my house and sheliterally slams the door in his
face which Right kudos to youmama Get the fuck out of here.
But Chucky does realize, Chucky,Andy realizes, Andy realizes
that Chucky has flour on thebottom of his shoes.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Because Andy's already in on the, the stuff
that we're not entirely sure ofyet.
You know, Andy's already wellaware of what's happening.

Speaker (36:47):
Exactly.
And now it's just he's trying toget, he's trying to get
perceivably shitty adults tounderstand him at this point.
But he says some really funnythings that it's just like, you
can't be saying that.
Like when he's like, Chuckysaid, Aunt Maggie's a real
bitch.
She got what she deserved.
I'm like, you're not reallyhelping your case here, buddy.

(37:07):
I get that you're not the onethat said it, but still just

Speaker 2 (37:13):
For us, it's just another clue that maybe Andy's
not actually coming up withthese things.

Speaker (37:19):
Yeah, I also just think it's a great fucking line.
Oh, it's perfect.
Aunt Maggie's a real bitch whogot what she deserved.
And hearing a child say that iseven better.
Oh yeah,

Speaker 2 (37:27):
it was shocking at the time.

Speaker (37:28):
But this is when he does tell his mom that the doll
is possessed by Charles Lee Ray.
Charles Lee Ray.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
If you were paying attention, you know who that is.

Speaker (37:39):
Mm hmm.
And He just eventually says I'msorry, mom.
I see that you're upset becauseaunt Maggie is dead and I made
this all up.
If it'll make you feel better.
Right.
Poor kid.
We're going to go to bed andpretend like everything's okay.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
So apparently mama Karen hasn't been watching the
news because she doesn't seem toknow who Charles Lee Ray is.
I know you

Speaker (38:02):
would think that such a prominent serial killer was such
an iconic name and apparently.
In every other movie after this,everybody knows who Charles Lee
Ray is.
Right, right.
So.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Like he was a prolific serial killer.
And the kid drops that name andthe mom just doesn't have a
light bulb go off.

Speaker (38:20):
That's because she's too busy working to support her
kid.
That's right.
That's it.
That must be what it is.
So we do end up waking up thenext day and we go to school.
Just like everything, just likenothing ever happened actually.
Yeah, it is

Speaker 2 (38:34):
kind of

Speaker (38:35):
like nothing ever happened.
I wonder, I mean I doubt it, butI wonder if the pencil dick boss
would have given Karenbereavement time.
Oh I, no,

Speaker 2 (38:43):
absolutely not.
She needs,

Speaker (38:45):
she needs to unionize.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
She needs to unionize.
No, she's expected to workanother double the next day.
I'm sure.

Speaker (38:52):
He's probably asking her to cover her shift.
Yes.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 (38:55):
exactly.
I need you to work in shoestonight.
Oh my

Speaker (38:58):
God, fucking, that would not surprise me.
That would not surprise me atall.
If like one day he was justlike, Nope, you have to stay in
your department.
And then the next day he's like,well, your best friend died, so
you're going to have to coverher shift.
Her shift.
Oh my God.
That would not surprise me.
Raise your hand.
If you had a boss, I'd probablydo that.
If you're watching, we bothraise our hands.

(39:19):
I'm sorry, if you're listening,we both raise our hands.
If you're watching, we did too.
Yeah, you know.
So, So, Mama goes to work, Andygoes to school.
and a bunch of kids are bringingtheir good guy dolls to school.
Everybody has a doll.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
And they're massive.
They're such, they're largedolls and these children are
small.
So it's just kind of adorable towatch.

Speaker (39:41):
These doll heads are literally sometimes bigger than
children's heads.
Yes.
They're pretty massive, massivemelons.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
Massive melons.
Massive

Speaker (39:50):
melons.
But.
So naturally, Andy's bringinghis good guy to school and
immediately turns right aroundand walks out.
No problem.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Yeah, no problem.
No, no guards, no teachers, nonothing.
Just right out the door.
The eighties

Speaker (40:04):
were wild,

Speaker 2 (40:05):
man.
I remember

Speaker (40:07):
just, just walking right out.
Nobody stopped him.
And he ends up taking the trainby himself,

Speaker 2 (40:14):
which is another thing that you think somebody
would notice.
I don't know.

Speaker (40:21):
I will try to limit how often I have to interact with a
child.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Oh, well, yeah, me too.

Speaker (40:28):
So if I see somebody like Andy on public transit,
faring quite fine Like, he lookslike he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
You're not even going to ask, not even worry about it.
I mean, if he

Speaker (40:41):
looks okay, because it's just another thing is just
like, I am approaching anotherperson's child, which in itself
feels like a suspiciousbehavior.
I understand that.
You know?
So I don't know if I, now if thechild looked like they were in
distress, sure.
But Andy doesn't look like he'sin distress.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
Andy looks like he does this every day of the year.

Speaker (41:01):
Yeah, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if he's
had to take public transit byhimself.
That's entirely possible.
His mom works a lot.
I feel like they're setting up alot of this.
Yes, yes.
So anyway, he takes the train toan area of town that is, I
can't, I can't remember likewhat they called it, but it's
basically like an encampment forfolks who are unhoused.

(41:23):
Mm hmm.
And ends up going to this houseof Eddie Caputo.
The most

Speaker 2 (41:28):
important person in this

Speaker (41:29):
movie.
The most important person, noteven just the movie, the whole
franchise.
The whole series.
I mean, if you think about it,he did kind of, he is the reason
why we're here.
Without him, we wouldn't behere.
Without him, yeah.
It's true.
So, whatever.
But we get to his house.
Ha ha ha.
And while we're at his house,Andy's like, Chucky, you stay
here.
I have to go tinkle.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
He has to tinkle.

Speaker (41:49):
He has to tinkle.
So he puts Chucky on a chair andruns off.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Just to remind us that he's actually a child, he
says the word tinkle.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Tinkle.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, so he puts Chucky on a chair in the front
of the house, and we see himlike run behind the house.
And then all of a sudden Chuckyis no longer in front of the
house.

Speaker (42:06):
Chair's empty, baby.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
So now we're really, we're really catching on.
If you're really slow and you'rejust watching this movie for the
first time, now you're like,wait a second.
It's

Speaker (42:14):
hold on.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I get it.
So Chucky is gone.

Speaker (42:18):
And we go into the house where Eddie Caputo is
sleeping amongst rats.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes.
On a, on a mattress.
I think on the floor issomething like that.
Like

Speaker (42:26):
this, this house is it's when the top says I know a
place like this is the kind ofvibes that we're at.
This is the place.
Yeah.
I may have had a grinder hookupin his house at some point, who
knows.
So, but what Chucky does isChucky sneaks in.
And this is how we getconfirmation.
I mean, if you couldn't tell bythe fact that the chair is empty

(42:47):
we get confirmation because yousee the doll's hand.
turn on the oven, and then heblows out the pilot light.
Yeah, this

Speaker 2 (42:54):
little little like rubber plastic hand turning all
of the switches.

Speaker (43:01):
And so now it's just gas city all up in this kitchen.
And this is how I know thatChucky is like smart like this
is because I feel like when wethink about Horror movie
villains and like their maincharacteristics, right?
Like you have michael myers islike pure evil jason vorhees is
like unstoppable just likestrong and Brutal and you know

(43:21):
freddy krueger is just like awisecrack in Whatever, whatever
chucky is so manipulative and heunderstands the people that he's
trying to kill because he knewbecause it's so risky just to
like turn on the gas and hopefor the best, right?
You know what i'm saying?
It's just like this may or maynot work This may happen before
I leave.
Like he had to have fullconfidence in knowing how Eddie

(43:44):
Caputo was going to act.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
How he was going to react.
And he

Speaker (43:48):
did because Eddie Caputo ends up getting a little
trigger happy.
And meanwhile, Andy is likewalking around the house looking
for Chucky because he realizeshe's gone and they must have
escaped like just within thenick of time because this house
blows the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
It does.
It's a huge explosion andsomehow Andy is not taken out by
it

Speaker (44:07):
despite being like five feet from the front door like
moments before it exploded.
Yeah.
It's movie magic.
Movie

Speaker 2 (44:14):
magic, indeed.

Speaker (44:15):
Movie magic, indeed.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, because Eddie Caputo fires his gun, and you're
right.
Chucky knew how Eddie was gonnareact, and that, you know,
blowing out the pilot light andturning the gas on was gonna be
what killed Eddie.

Speaker (44:27):
Mm hmm.
And here's the thing.
I don't even think, when theycame up with this kill, during
this movie, that they thoughtabout that.
I don't, I just thought thatthey were like, Oh, this will be
like a fun way to do anotherexplosion.
You know, I don't think theywere just like, we're going to
make Chucky a master manipulatorI could be wrong.

(44:48):
I just think it just happened tobe luck that they, that that is
something that the charactergrew to become.
It's just like this interestingmanipulative genius.
I just think they wanted to blowup another building.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Oh, I'm sure they did.
I

Speaker (45:04):
mean, two explosions in one movie.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Yeah.

Speaker (45:07):
Sick.
And there's pretty cool.
There's also some another coolbadass practical stunt that
comes up later.
But for now, the house exploded.
And then we end up at the policestation.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
We're at the police station with with all the police
milling about again.

Speaker (45:24):
You

Speaker 2 (45:25):
had 210 of them, all the Chicago police not doing
anything.

Speaker (45:31):
Except Oh, and the thing too like, cause it cuts to
mama Karen running into thepolice department and Chris
Sarandon, the copper, is like,Did you go pick up your son yet?
And she's like, No, why?
And then he takes her into theback room where her son is.
And I'm like, You called her andtold her to come to the police

(45:51):
station.
Why

Speaker 2 (45:51):
is she coming there?

Speaker (45:52):
Without telling her that her son was there?

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker (45:56):
Mom, I smell stunt.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, I smell stunt too.
I don't know.
Mm hmm.

Speaker (46:00):
So, this is when, again, we get Andy really
begging the adults in his lifeto understand him.
To

Speaker 2 (46:06):
listen, yeah.

Speaker (46:07):
Because at this point he's looking mighty sus.
They think that he's killed twopeople now.
Right.
And he's just like, no, Chuckydid it, Chucky did it, Chucky
did it.
And they're just not believinghim, which I guess I can't blame
them for.
Now that I'm saying that outloud, like I can't blame an
adult for not believing theirchild when they say that a doll
killed somebody.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
At the same time, like why would my son travel to
this area of town, turn on thegas and blow out a pilot light,
and then target this one guy?
Who happened

Speaker (46:38):
to be the getaway driver for the, the, the The
serial killer that my son issaying is living in the doll,

Speaker 2 (46:44):
right?
You know, like, I don't know, Iwant to say that I would put
these dots together in a waythat the people in the movie
don't.
But at the same time, who knowswhat I would do?

Speaker (46:54):
Who knows?
I mean, here's the thing.
She's working to support herson.
That's right.
She's a single mother.
Mm hmm.
That's just gonna be my, that'smy excuse for everything.
That's for

Speaker 2 (47:02):
everything.
Yep.
See, and I don't have childrenfor exactly this reason, because
if they had an evil doll, whoknows what I would do.

Speaker (47:09):
I know.
I have hardly enough brain cellsto keep myself alive.
That's right.
So we're gonna keep that there.
Yep.
So nobody believes him.
And so this fuck ass doctor.
Another pencil neck.
Another pencil neck is justlike, we're gonna keep.
Your son overnight.
Mm hmm.
And so mama Karen Picks up thedoll and takes it home

Speaker 2 (47:30):
and and by keep your son overnight.
It's kind of like one of thoselike Facilities, you know like a
kind of an asylum type space,you know

Speaker (47:41):
Locked basically in like a padded room.
Yeah.
Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
So mama Karen takes the doll home and Which

Speaker (47:49):
why?
Like this doll has been thesource of so many problems.
Like I get maybe if she wants toinvestigate further, which I
think she does.
But I just, I, mama, I wouldhave thrown that doll in the
trash.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Well, she spent 30 on it.
That's true.
That's like

Speaker (48:04):
how much in the eighties?

Speaker 2 (48:06):
Oh, at least 150.

Speaker (48:08):
That's true.
It's an investment at thispoint.
She's going home to resell it.
She's going home to

Speaker 2 (48:12):
resell it.
And she's got to keep it.
Yeah.
She's going to go sell itherself in the back alley.
Honestly, it's not like therewas ebay

Speaker (48:21):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
There's not like there was internet.

Speaker (48:23):
We're so spoiled right now.
We're so spoiled I would havethrown that shit up on facebook
marketplace

Speaker 2 (48:28):
and like come get my haunted child doll My child's
haunted doll either way

Speaker (48:33):
and here's the thing nowadays if you said that it all
was haunted that will increaseOh, yeah, people would be like,
okay cool.
Yeah, because we're fuckingstupid Yeah, we're pretty done.
I'd buy it.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I'd buy it too.

Speaker (48:45):
So she takes this haunted ass doll home and she
starts asking him to speak andlike I do love this moment of
her just like desperatelywanting to believe her her child
And she's like speak damn itspeak speak speak and he's just
like hi.
I'm chucky wanna play and Shehas this moment where she thinks

(49:06):
that oh god, i'm going crazy Andthen this is honestly like one
of the best sequences of themovie.
Like when she discovers, likeshe picks up the box, the good
guy box, and she's looking at itand then the batteries fall out

Speaker 2 (49:21):
and batteries fall out

Speaker (49:23):
and it like zooms in.
It's like that eighties, likezoom onto these batteries.
And she realizes that thismotherfucking doll has possibly
been running without batteries,which is

Speaker 2 (49:34):
pretty terrifying.

Speaker (49:36):
Absolutely terrifying.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
She suspects she suspects that her son is telling
the truth because the parentwants to believe it's their
child You know and now all of asudden her suspicions are being
confirmed.

Speaker (49:46):
Mm hmm all the while looking great I'm just gonna
throw this out there.
I love this outfit that she'swearing.
It is a good outfit.
I talked about it before.
I want that peach cardigan thatshe has.
Yes, the peach cardigan.
It's like this really beautiful,like it's all, it's so crisp
too.
Mm-Hmm.
It's like this peach cardigan.
A white t-shirt, a gray skirtand Kneehigh boots.
And those boots.
There's lots of Kneehigh bootsin this.

(50:08):
Mm-Hmm.
But yeah, so while lookinggreat, she realizes no batteries
at all.
Dog

Speaker 2 (50:13):
doesn't have batteries in it.

Speaker (50:15):
So she goes to check and she opens up the back and lo
and behold, it is empty.
And then we get an exorcistmoment.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Yes.
Where the head turns around.

Speaker (50:24):
What does he say?
He says, hi, I'm Chucky.
Want to play?
Is that the line that it goesout?
And then we get such a funnyshot.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Oh, she drops it out of fear and the doll itself
rolls under the couch.

Speaker (50:37):
Yeah.
It's I just, I just think aboutthe setup cause it's, it's meant
to look like the dollintentionally rolls.
Like he's, he's rolling awayfrom her, but like, I just think
of the setup cause they had likethis incline, this whole setup
and they tried it so many timesjust to get the doll to hit the
floor and roll the right way.

(50:58):
I just, that's so funny to me.
And you can

Speaker 2 (51:00):
kind of tell that that's what's going on, you
know, but yeah, yeah.
It's a great shot of the dollrolling away from her.

Speaker (51:07):
So she goes and looks under the couch and he's there
and she grabs him and she's justlike.
fucking talk to me, damn it.
And she turns on the fireplaceand she lights a match and gets
the fire going.
And she's like, talk to me, damnit.
Or I'll throw you in the fire.
And then we get a magicalmoment.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
We do.
It's the first time that we getChucky as Chucky.

Speaker (51:28):
Chucky as Chucky.
Brad Dourif's voice.
And it, in my opinion, is thebest introduction to this
character that we could havegotten because he says, You
stupid bitch.
You filthy slut.
I'll teach you to fuck with me.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
That's right.
Ugh.
And

Speaker (51:48):
the way Brad Dorff, I mean

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, the way he delivers everything.
I mean, you honestly are afraid.
Yeah.

Speaker (51:57):
And turned on a little bit.
Oh yeah, that too.
I'm sorry.
Like, That man's voice, oof.
Mm hmm.
So, yeah, so she startsstruggling with him.
He's like, ahhh, doing his, hisChucky

Speaker 2 (52:09):
thing.
The puppet, puppeteers are, youknow, making, making Chucky move
and the actress is, you know,fighting with this doll.
And

Speaker (52:16):
it's funny because there's some points where you
can tell it's like a handpuppet.
Right.
She's like.
She's like, ahh! It's like oneof those things where it's like,
no, stop!

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Right.

Speaker (52:24):
It's so funny.
Oh, sorry.
It's funny, but it's alsoeffective.
It's

Speaker 2 (52:28):
very effective.
And when he turns around and hesays, you stupid bitch, you
filthy slut, it's the last thingyou expect an adorable little
doll to say.
It is shocking and it's scary,you know?

Speaker (52:40):
And that moment right there is probably why parents
across the country would freakout about this movie.
Oh yeah.
Like that line, just like thischildren's toy saying such
degrading, filthy things.
Um, God, Christian Holmes inAmerica wept.
Good job, Don.
Good job, team.

(53:02):
So yeah, they're struggling, andhe bites her.
And this moment is, Somethinglike the shot of him biting her
and her screaming is one ofthose things that's like burned
into my core memories Oh, yeah.
Yeah, like ever since I was achild, like if you if you ever
said Chucky, I would think abouta my diaper Well, yeah, I would

(53:24):
think about that moment wherelike he bites her and she
screams

Speaker 2 (53:29):
Interesting that at that particular moment is In
your head for some reason.
I mean, it's scary.
It is.

Speaker (53:35):
Well, I think it's the first time we physically see
Chucky committing like a violentact.
Yeah.
Cause everything else is eitherimplied or done off screen.
Right.
But with this one, we actuallysee Chucky doing the damage and
you're just like, Oh my God, itcould hurt me.
It could.
So he bites her and herreaction, I understand, she
fucking chucks him across theroom.

(53:57):
And he books it out of theapartment.
And he takes the elevator.
He takes

Speaker 2 (54:01):
the elevator,

Speaker (54:02):
which is so funny to me.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
Well, I mean, think of his little legs going down
the stairs.

Speaker (54:08):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Right?
Like he, that, that is even moreamusing to me.

Speaker (54:14):
You know what I would love to see though, is like just
like a fan film of you Thatwhole thing that we just watched
and then her running out andwatching the elevator come down
and then it cuts to just Chuckyand standing in the elevator and
there's some

Speaker 2 (54:25):
music on it's like elevator music.
I would

Speaker (54:27):
love to see something like that cause that's how it is
in my head is he's just sittingthere.
There's elevator music and he'sjust kind of like waiting and
waiting while she's booking itdown the stairs.
And alas, she does not beat theelevator down to the bottom.
Of course she does.
She does not.
And he's gone.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Yeah.
And that's, this is one of thosefacts that I really enjoy.
When Chucky is running aroundlike that in the apartment and
he's, he runs out of theapartment, that is actually
being played by the boy whoplays Andy's younger sister, who
was like four at the time.
And they dressed her up as agood guy down, put a wig on her
and had her running aroundplaying Chucky.

(55:06):
That's right.

Speaker (55:07):
That is fun.
God, using children,

Speaker 2 (55:10):
using children, child labor.
You don't really have to paythem that well.

Speaker (55:15):
No, you don't.
They're just happy to be there.
That's right.
Honestly, if I was a child, if Iwas like two years old and
someone had said, put this onand run around, I'd be like,
fuck yeah, absolutely.
100%.
No, that's so true.
I forgot about that, especiallyin the scene with Marty
Maraschino in the backgroundtoo.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yep.
That's, that's Andy Barclay'sreal life.
His little sister.

Speaker (55:37):
kid sister, kid sister.
So she gets outside theapartment building and she
realizes that she lost him.
So she goes to find thedetective.

Speaker 5 (55:47):
Mm-Hmm.
The copper.

Speaker (55:48):
The copper.
And she is now on her son'sside.
Mm-Hmm.
Obviously like she, she's caughton, she's seen enough.
Mm-Hmm.
So she tries to get the cop to.
Get on with her and he doesn'tbelieve her even when she shows
him her bite mark, which again Idon't know if I could blame him.
I'm trying to think of I'mtrying to think with the brain
of somebody who doesn't knowthis universe.

(56:10):
No, I'm just going to shit onthem.
He should believe her.
Believe women, believe women'sstories.
Anyway, so.
He's no help.
And so she runs off and he'slike, where are you going?
And I just love the way she saysto find Chucky, to find

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Chucky.

Speaker (56:26):
The subtext of that is basically like you fucker.
You're not going to help me.
I'm going to do it myself.
And I love the way she saysthat.
So we get this montage of herlooking to find Chucky.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
The eighties loved a montage, all the

Speaker (56:39):
pantomiming.
And she's just like, yeah, she'slike, it's all silence.
but anyway, she ends up back atthe encampment where we meet the
peddler,

Speaker 2 (56:49):
the peddler, I think is what they, I feel like I'm
not making that up.
It must be what he's called inthe credits or something.
Okay.
Why would I say peddler?

Speaker (56:58):
I mean, he's peddling good.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Yes, yes.
The peddler.
Yeah, she runs into the man whosold her the doll in the first
place.

Speaker (57:07):
And so she's trying to get information.
She's like, where'd you get it?
Where'd you get it?
Where'd you get it?
And he's like, well, what do yougot for me?

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Right?
He wants money or cash or

Speaker (57:17):
something else.
Cause when she says, this is allI have.
And I think it's maybe likethree bucks.
He's like, he's that's not allyou have.
And then we get, this is likethe one part of the movie that
I'm just like, I don't wantthis.
Cause he tries to assault her.
Right.
Which is, I fucking hate thatshit.
I mean, who wouldn't I guess?
Yeah.
Well, yeah, I mean, it's justFuck that.

(57:38):
Yeah.
But Copper shows up

Speaker 2 (57:41):
just in the nick of time to save the day

Speaker (57:43):
He chucks the guy out and well before he chucks the
guy out He like punches him afew times as cops do.
And then he says like thisstupid fucking like cop line.
That's like, what about the restof y'all?
You want to party too?
Do you want to part?
It's like such an eighties, likefuck off.
cop line masculine,

Speaker 2 (58:02):
Yeah.

Speaker (58:03):
Just no nonsense, whatever.
But he ends up getting theinformation from the peddler
that he found the doll at theblown up toy store.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Blown up toy store from the beginning of the movie,
which at this point we allexpected him to say,

Speaker (58:15):
yeah, yeah.
So the cop needs to catch up.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Right.

Speaker (58:19):
Yeah.
It's come on.
He's the only one who's not withus.
Of course you're behind.
And finally, the cop startsputting two and two together.
Finally.
For the first time in thisfucking movie, somebody
realizes, Oh, Charles Lee Ray,toy store, good guy doll,
Charles Lee Ray.
Right.
Maybe it's Charles Lee Ray.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
Maybe it is.
It's a circle.
You know, the diagram is acircle.
It starts with Charles.
It ends with Charles.
And of course, if we haven'tmentioned it, this is the cop
that killed Charles Lee Ray.
That's right.
We haven't said that.
It's the same cop.

Speaker (58:51):
Yeah.
It's the same cop.
Yeah, I, I cannot believe thatI, yes, this whole time it's
been the same.
Can't believe we didn't

Speaker 2 (58:58):
mention that.

Speaker (58:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I mean.
I feel like it goes withoutsaying.
I hope

Speaker (59:02):
so.
But if you get to this point andyou were confused now, you know,
that's right.
It was the same cop.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
You've caught up with us catching up.

Speaker (59:09):
Well, I mean, I think going back and forth between
Chris Sarandon, copperdetective, fuck off, whatever.
Right, right.
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It made it again, another circle.

Speaker (59:16):
I'll do better next time.
So it is the same cop and hetells the mama Karen Oh yeah, I
killed Charles Lee, right.
And.
He said that he was gonna killme and Eddie Caputo.
Right?
who just died.
Who blew up?

Speaker 4 (59:32):
Mm-Hmm.
Mm-Hmm.

Speaker (59:33):
It's ah.
And so finally the mother isbeing smart about it and she's
like, okay, well now I know thatthe doll is Chucky and I don't
know what she's planning ondoing with that information.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
I'm not sure either,

Speaker (59:43):
but she knows.
Mm-Hmm.
Meanwhile after the cop dropsher off, he ends up driving and,
oh.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Someone's in the backseat.
Which, oh,

Speaker (59:58):
we

Speaker 2 (59:58):
both same thought.

Speaker (01:00:00):
I'll let you say it.
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Alright, so the movie is Urban Legend.
And there's that urban legend ofsomeone that pulling up to a gas
station and in this movieversion, there's a creepy gas
station attendant with ahorrible stutter and she's
scared of him and he's trying toget her attention and that just
makes her more frightenedbecause he's panicking and it

(01:00:22):
turns out that he's been tryingto tell her that there's
somebody in her back seat thewhole time and this character is
played by

Speaker (01:00:29):
Brad Dourif.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Look at that.
Who's the voice of Chucky?
Who's Charles Lee Ray?
I love how we

Speaker (01:00:35):
both have that at that same moment.
Yeah, I think just sayingsomeone's in the backseat three
times just triggered.
It's a fun little Easter egg fory'all.
But in this case, Chuckie's inthe backseat, Chuckie's

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
in the backseat this time.
So

Speaker (01:00:50):
he tries killing the cop and we get another sick
practical like car.
It's not even a car chase.
It's just Yeah.
Recklessly driving.

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
Yes.
Because why hit the brake?
Why hit the brake?
Why hit the brake?
Why pull over?

Speaker (01:01:03):
Just pedal to the metal.
You'll figure it out.
But all the while Chuckie's liketrying to strangle him and then
he gets a knife and he startsstabbing from under the seat.
And that's something that scaresme.
Really?
Is just like, a below, like abeneath me kind of attack.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Well, I mean, yeah, that is pretty, pretty scary.

Speaker (01:01:21):
Yeah.
Cause he narrowly misses thecop's junk

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
several times.
And

Speaker (01:01:24):
so we get this really funny shot though, of Chris
surrounded, like trying to drivewith both of his feet up on the
dashboard and he's like drivinglike crazy until eventually the
car flips over also donepractically.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yes.
Yes.
Another practical effect.

Speaker (01:01:37):
So badass.
And then we get this funsequence where Chucky is just
running around, fucking with thecop, taunting him.
And at this point, Chucky isjust like, you can't hurt me.
You can't hurt me.
Cause he's just I'm a doll.
I don't have human body parts,but lo and behold, the cop ends
up shooting Chucky and ow, doesit fucking hurt?

(01:01:59):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
It does hurt.

Speaker (01:02:00):
So Chucky scurries off.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
And there, I think there is blood.
Yep.
And Chucky's what the fuck isthis?

Speaker (01:02:07):
Exactly.
So what ends up happening next?
I think, Oh, this is what themom was going to do with the um,
the information because shefound out Charles Lee Ray's
address.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Oh, yeah, she was going to go check out the house.

Speaker (01:02:20):
She does like the typical white woman
investigating trope that we geta lot in these horror movies.
You know, like the ring and likeshit like that.
Child's Play did it first we seethis mural of who we later find
out his name, John, but thisman, who's like a voodoo
teacher,

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
as many people named John are

Speaker (01:02:38):
it's a mural of him, but it's also Oh, it says, Oh,
thank you.
Mighty Damballa for life afterdeath.
So the voodoo pieces are comingtogether.
But while she's reading this, weget the silhouette behind her,
which we know isn't Chucky causeit's human sized.
So I guess it's not too scary,but it's the cop.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
It is the cop who has come to the house because now
he's kind of on the same page.
Kind of.

Speaker (01:03:04):
After getting attacked.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
Yeah.
He's, he's with us now.

Speaker (01:03:07):
But they ended up finding out that Chucky is in
the stall because of voodoo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
So tell us how you feel about that.

Speaker (01:03:16):
I feel similarly to like how Don feels about it.
Like, I'm not crazy.
Like Sure.
As a, a plot, like a mechanic tomake things that you want to
happen, happen.
Sure.
But like, voodoo doesn't have tobe voodoo because it's just,
it's, it's, it's just, it's amisrepresentation of an entire

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uh, precious and specialpractice to a group of people
that is not represented in thismovie.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
You're right.

Speaker (01:03:44):
You're right.
Beyond the mystical Negro tropethat we're about to get.
So it's it's lazy in my opinion.
And it's appropriative andexploitative.
And I, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
Yeah.
I couldn't agree with you more.
Mm hmm.

Speaker (01:03:55):
Mm

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
hmm.

Speaker (01:03:56):
But it's here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
Yeah.
And wasn't supposed to be in theoriginal movie, you know, with
the blood buddy and everything.
Exactly.
Yeah.
This was something that got, youknow, added and I feel the same
way that you do.
It's, it's exploitative and youknow, you mentioned earlier,
satanic panic.
And so we're talking aboutsomething that's not, you know,
you know, of a Christian faithand, and people were terrified

(01:04:18):
of it.
So it's just you know,reaffirming these fears that
folks had.
And it's just kind of icky.

Speaker (01:04:26):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Gives you the ick.

Speaker (01:04:28):
Exactly.
And it's just, it's very typicalof like the eighties and the
nineties to take something likethat and not.
treat it with care and love andresearch and understanding.
They're just like, Oh, Damballa,that's the name of a God.
And here's a black man.
Here's a black man.
It's voodoo now, you know, it's,but here it is, you know, as

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part of it.
And I think, you know, Donhimself understands, that's one
of his angles against it andjust doesn't really rely too
much on it.
from, for many points of itbeyond just the incantation and
focusing on Damballa instead ofmaking it like, oh there is the

(01:05:10):
voodoo for dummies thing.
Which I think is hilarious.
Yeah.
Because I feel like he's makingit tongue in cheek.
That's exactly it.
He like turns it on just like a,oh like this, Is here because
it's stupid.
But I personally I'm not crazyabout the voodoo or its
representation in this firstmovie.
Yeah Because we now get chuckyFor which it's cool.
Like we get the first full viewof chucky like Unfiltered just

(01:05:34):
him moving when he visits john,but we also get the whole again
the mystical negro trope, whichEverybody loved to throw in
these movies.
It's like they come in they havea mystical purpose and then they
die and then they're gone Yeah,which is exactly what happens
here.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
And it's usually a violent death.

Speaker (01:05:51):
Mm hmm.
He's here for exposition.
Yeah so Chucky's just like hey,I got shot it fucking hurts like
what's going on and so John islike well you're corrupting this
body.
It's turning human.
Like you have to leave it.
Otherwise you will be human inthat body.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
But the caveat is that the only person that he can
put his soul into is the firstperson that he, in a sense came
out to, and that happens to beAndy,

Speaker (01:06:25):
which leads to a very uncomfortable line.
Well, John, it's been fun, but Igotta go.
I have a date with a six yearold boy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
That's right.

Speaker (01:06:35):
Awful.
Awful.
So yeah, Chuckie's just like,okay, well shit, I have to come
out or I have to put my soulinto this child.
Thanks for the information, doc.
I'm going to kill you nowbecause you offended me.
And he ends up killing him in areally fucked up way too.
Speaking of just like, you know,the.

(01:06:56):
voodoo as a plot device.
He fucking pulls out a voodoodoll of the doctor and just like
start snapping legs and stabsthem

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
and stabs them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just, I don't, I want tosay it wouldn't fly today.

Speaker (01:07:17):
I don't think it would.
No, no, no, no, no, no, not atall.
And Thankfully, we only reallyget it like this in this movie.
Like moving forward, themechanic of Damballa and all
that becomes a little bitcampier and more tongue in
cheek, like you said, so it'sless reliant on the notion of it

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being like traditional voodooand stuff.
But before John dies Mama Karencomes through and he has one
final mystical task before heleaves this movie, and that is
to tell the mother how to killChucky.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Which is through the heart.

Speaker (01:07:57):
Through the heart.
You

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
gotta get him in the

Speaker (01:07:59):
heart.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Which makes sense.

Speaker (01:08:03):
I think so too.
That would kill

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
me.

Speaker (01:08:05):
That would kill me.
That would kill me.
So he dies, unfortunately.
And then we cut to Oh my god,Chuckie or not Chuckie Andy.
What has Andy been up to thiswhole time?

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
I forgot about him completely.
Yeah.
He's locked away in a, in acell, basically, you know, a
hospital cell.

Speaker (01:08:27):
But he looks out the window and he sees um, his
sister probably, it's like, it'slike a full human ass size,
person in a Chucky costume likerunning up the stairs, which is
funny

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
and this poor kid is terrified.

Speaker (01:08:40):
Oh my god.
This is actually a reallyheartbreaking thing.
He's like beating against thedoor.
He's sobbing.
He's like, he's gonna kill me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
Nobody will listen.
Nobody will listen to the kidbecause kids obviously don't
know what they're talking about.
And yeah, it is heart wrenchingbecause the idea of being
trapped somewhere, I mean,that's another scary component,
you know, for any adultwatching, for anybody watching,
is can you imagine beingsomewhere that you can't get out
of and you know they're comingfor you?
You know, something's coming foryou.

Speaker (01:09:06):
Knowing that you're in danger and the only people that
can provide you with salvationjust are not listening to you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
It's a very helpless feeling.

Speaker (01:09:14):
So Chucky ends up getting his hands on the keys to
Andy's room.
He just like sneaks them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
He just sneaks them.
With that little plastic hand

Speaker (01:09:22):
again.
With that little plastic hand hesneaks them.
And he gets into Andy's room,but Andy knows he's coming.
And Andy ends up When Chucky,like Chucky goes to the bed,
Which looks really sick when weget the shot of Chucky Walking
onto the bed to like, Get andyright, but andy was like hiding
somewhere and he like runs outand then we get this other funny

(01:09:43):
shot Through the door ofsomebody who's very clearly in
the chucky costume with thechucky mask and andy locks him
in Andy locks him in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, see andy might be what is he six or seven
something

Speaker (01:09:55):
like that?
I think he's six,

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
but he's catching on

Speaker (01:09:57):
he's catching on and he ends up.
Running into like uh Was it ascience lab?
It's not a science lab.
Was it like an operating room orsomething?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
It's some vague doctor space.
A vague doctor space.
Yeah.

Speaker (01:10:10):
With scalpels and stuff.
Because fucking Andy grabs oneof these and this makes me so
nervous because thatmotherfucker is tripping over
everything in that room.
Yeah, he does fall down.
He's holding a sharp as fuckobject y'all like Scalpels are
mighty sharp.
They are indeed.
Like sharp within a steak knifeand stuff, you know, and he's

(01:10:31):
tripping over IV machines andall this stuff, like falling
over bed pots or whatever.
Those bed pans, bed pans, thetoilets, the toilet.
Yeah.
And all while holding a sharpobject.
And I'm like, whose idea was itto give a child?
It's like, it's go run withscissors.
Yes, please.
But he's terrified.

(01:10:51):
He is absolutely terrified.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
He's a good little actor too.

Speaker (01:10:56):
He really is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
He reminds me of Danny from The Shining.

Speaker (01:11:01):
Do you think it's the haircut?

Speaker 2 (01:11:02):
I think it's the haircut.

Speaker (01:11:04):
I think so, too.
Yeah,

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
and you know, just being a little white boy with
brown hair and a haircut, youknow.
They all look the same.
Mm hmm.
For me, they all do.
Mm hmm.
My brother had that haircutforever.
My mother liked keeping his hairkind of long.

Speaker (01:11:17):
Oh, really?
Yeah, so

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
he had that like bowl, shaggy bowl.
Mm hmm.

Speaker (01:11:20):
I mean, that was kind of a good look, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Yeah.

Speaker (01:11:23):
It's a very kid look.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Yeah.
Very young.

Speaker (01:11:25):
Yeah.
Very young.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Because then after that you got to get your first
big boy haircut.
You know.
That's right.
Because

Speaker (01:11:30):
the bowl haircut is less scary than the big boy
haircut.
With the bzzzzzzz.
That's right.
That's exactly what it is.
That makes sense.
Yep.
But you know what's scarier thana big boy haircut?

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
A doll.

Speaker (01:11:44):
Trying to kill you.
Yeah.
Which is what's happening rightnow.
So yeah.
This motherfucker's trippingover everything.
and the doctor comes in andimmediately goes to sedate him
right like not listening to him.
Nothing.
He goes to sedate him and thenChucky sneaks up and does one of

(01:12:04):
we've talked about this my likea horror movie ick of mine is
when Somebody goes for theankles or like the the lower
half of the leg, especially theAchilles tendon

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, I get that tendon there with yes Chucky

Speaker (01:12:18):
does that to this doctor which Cool,

Speaker 2 (01:12:21):
right the doctor had it coming

Speaker (01:12:22):
talk about it coming.
This doctor fucking gets frieddude.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
Yeah with the AED, right the Defibrillators.
No, it's

Speaker (01:12:31):
so okay.
Here's the thing.
to me this feels like a clapback from the queer community
cause it's like it was one ofthose caps that was used for um,
electro shock therapy.
It's one of those things.
And if anybody here if you'rehere, you probably know when
like being gay was consideredlike a mental illness

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
up until the seventies, they

Speaker (01:12:51):
would fucking put people through electroshock
therapy to try to convert themand stuff.
Um, So.
You know, this movie beingwritten by a queer man, a doctor
dying through an electroshocktherapy helmet.
Yep.
I think it's poetic.
I like it.
I'm down with it.
So he dies.
Mm hmm.
And it's pretty nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
Yeah, and all of this is practical effects because
there were no CGI, there was noCGI at the time, really, to
speak of.
So, you know, this is uh, gosh,I can't remember the name of the
guy who does all the specialeffects.

Speaker (01:13:21):
Was it Kevin Yeager?

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Was it Kevin Yeager?
Who marries

Speaker (01:13:24):
Yeah, who marries Katherine Hicks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
So, all the, I think all the practical effects were
done by Kevin Yeager.

Speaker (01:13:31):
Kevin Yeager.
I know he definitely did like,the animatronics and stuff for
Chucky.
Mm hmm.
I don't know if he did the, allof the special effects, though.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
I'm trying to name drop, but I don't know the name.

Speaker (01:13:42):
Well, whoever did them, good job.
They were amazing.
They were amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Mm hmm.

Speaker (01:13:46):
I'm gonna get better at that.
As somebody, as somebody wholike does special effects and
makeup for movies, I should paymore attention.
Yeah.
But I'm also kind ofnarcissistic.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Well, we also just watch these things and accept
them as real half the time.
I mean, you know, it's like, wedon't even think of them as
effects because I'm like, wow,that guy really just got fried,
you know?

Speaker (01:14:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:09):
And if it's not Tom Savini, I don't know who it is.

Speaker (01:14:11):
That's true.
Or Rick Baker.
Or fucking who did, oh, we'llget to it later.
The effects are great.
Even the mashed potato clouds.
The mashed potato

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
clouds are great too.
They remind me of Ghostbusters.
Yes, yes,

Speaker (01:14:25):
yes, yes, yes.
So yeah, Doc gets charred up andAndy runs home.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Runs home.
Maybe he takes the bus again.

Speaker (01:14:31):
Maybe he takes the bus.
Who knows?
Or the

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
train.
He knows how to get around.

Speaker (01:14:34):
Mm hmm.
But Mama knows that that's wherehe's going.
So she's heading there.
But while Andy gets home, Chuckybreaks in through the chimney.
He like, drops down.
Howdy ho ho ho.
You know, like a littlemischievous Santa Claus.
And he uses a good guy bat,baseball bat.

(01:14:56):
Teeny

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
little baseball bat.

Speaker (01:14:57):
Teeny little baseball bat.
And he knocks Andy out for the,the ritual.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
The ritual of putting his soul inside Andy's body.

Speaker (01:15:07):
So we get yet another of many incantations of Ade Due
Dambala.
And while this is happening,Mama and copper are breaking
into the apartment.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
May I just say that I love so much that the
incantation is two sentences.
That's it.
It's not a big complicatedthing.
It's, it's not some like, okay,I've got to get out my paper, my
Latin, my nope.
It's auto do a Damballa.
Give me the power.
I beg of you.
That's it.
And Damballa is like, yeah,sure.
Here.
Sure.
Yeah.

Speaker (01:15:37):
Well, what's funny is I think initially, like the first
time we hear it done there'ssome more that comes through in
French.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
Oh, is there?

Speaker (01:15:45):
Yes.
But it devolves as the seriesprogresses to just that, to
just, ah, they do a Dumballa.
Give me the power.
I beg of you.
Yeah.
And then pretty simple, but alsoChucky gets interrupted doing
this incantation almost everyfucking time.
So all we ever get to hear isodd day, do a dumbbell.
Give me the power.
I beg of you.
Right.
Maybe there's more.
Everything that comes after thatis inconsequential because we

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never have, we never get to hearit.
That's true.
Yeah.
And it gets interrupted rightnow because mom and Karen picks
Chucky up and yeets him acrossthe room.
Yeah, that's right.
She loves throwing him around.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
I love the word yeet.

Speaker (01:16:20):
Oh yeah, it's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
That's exactly what she does.
She yeets Chucky.

Speaker (01:16:24):
Mhm.
And then Chucky comes back andslices a motherfuckin Chris
Sarandon in the back of the leg.
In the

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
back of the leg again.
Yeah, that was, it was a popularthing.

Speaker (01:16:35):
It was, but this one wasn't attendant.
Cause he's still,

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
Cause he can get up.

Speaker (01:16:39):
Exactly.
But because he's out ofcommission, he just up and gives
a gun to Karen.
Right.
One of his extra guns.
Here you go.
Trusting the single mother whohe may or may not have worked a
gun before.
Right.
Who knows.
He just gives her the gun.
And He ends up like going topursue Chucky and gets knocked
out with a baseball bat too.

(01:16:59):
That baseball bat's like achamp.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I remember they used to give away these little
baseball bats at Yankee Stadium,you know, if you were like the
first hundred people in.
And that's exactly what it lookslike to me.
This little toy baseball batthat weighed, you know, two
pounds.
I mean, he's got a lot of powerin that swing.
If he's knocking people out withthat

Speaker (01:17:16):
bat.
He has the power of Damballa.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
He

Speaker (01:17:18):
does.
You're

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
right.
You're right.
That explains it.

Speaker (01:17:21):
Yes, it does.
And so what ends up happeningnext?
What does end up happening next?
I get it all jumbled up in mybrain.
Um, There's like a little bit ofa chase scene, a scruffle, and
then she throws him in thefireplace.
Right.
And this is when we getabsolutely fucking feral Chucky.
Yes.
Like I, this is terrifyingsimply based off of the sounds
of Chucky just

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
being like, yeah,

Speaker (01:17:43):
it's scary.
He's banging against it.
Like he is he's a little maniac.
Yeah, it's actually quite good.
It is good.
It is so good and

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
having just rewatched it I was really impressed with
the puppetry and everything.
I was like, this is this is verygood.
Yeah,

Speaker (01:17:57):
it's like it's insane So mama Karen is like struggling
to hold the the fireplace And,you know, the matches, of
course, fell too far away fromher so she can't reach him.
So, Andy has to come in, hewalks up and he lights the
match, and Chucky, like on afucking dime sociopath, he goes
from like, uh,

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
uh, uh, Andy?
No! I thought we were friends tothe end, right?

Speaker (01:18:23):
And then we get this is such a cringe line, but it's
fine.
And he goes, this is the endfriend.
And then he drops the match in.
And then now we get a feralChucky on fire.
A feral Chucky on fire.
A feral flaming Chucky.
And another really bad asspractical stunt.
Yeah.

(01:18:43):
Especially when you can tellit's like a thick Chucky because
it's like somebody wearing afire suit.
But he like runs around, he goesstraight for the couch, he
climbs on top of it and then hejust starts like flailing and
like freaking out on the ground.
Trying

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
to light as many things on fire as possible for
the stunt.
Mm hmm.

Speaker (01:19:00):
And apparently, I guess the mother forgot that we have
to shoot him in the heartbecause she's like, all right,
it's done.
Yeah, yeah.
It's done.
So they go to the cop.
And Andy goes back to the livingroom to grab a first aid kit and
he notices Oh, Chuckie's body,

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Chuckie's

Speaker (01:19:15):
gone.
Yeah.
And then we get.
this is probably my favoriteshot of the whole film where he
trips Andy and Andy's on theground and he looks up and it's
just like this charred assChucky with a knife, slowly
walking, moving at him, likeslowly walking towards him.
Mm-Hmm.
I just think it's such a badassshot.
Yeah, it's pretty cool.
It looks so good.

(01:19:36):
Mm-Hmm.
And then so we get another chasescene where this one references
the shining quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
Right.
Right.

Speaker (01:19:45):
Cause we get the mother leaning against the door trying
to hold it shut

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
and he's stabbing the knife through the door and it
gets closer and closer to hereach time.
I'd stop holding the doorpersonally.

Speaker (01:19:57):
Yeah.
I would

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
hold it with my feet maybe from further away.

Speaker (01:20:00):
Well the thing is because it's a door that she's
trying to hold it towards herbecause it opens.
She's

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
pulling them things.
But it's like

Speaker (01:20:06):
you can just like, you know, Right.
Just grab it and like lean yourbody away from the door and let
the weight of your body do it.
But she's flirting with depthbecause it's getting closer and
closer to her face and she islucky he gave up when he did
because he was one more strikeaway from getting her.
That's right.
I'm like, girl, come on, Jesus.

(01:20:26):
but yes, so Chucky ends up, theyend up back in the living room.
That's In this chase scene, andthis is when we find out that
Mama Karen is like an expertmarksman.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Apparently she has been to the shooting range a
lot.

Speaker (01:20:37):
A lot, a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Because she

Speaker (01:20:39):
knocks off a leg, an arm.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yep, she's just taking Chucky out one limb at a
time.

Speaker (01:20:45):
A head.
She knocks his head off.
And then she, she does shoot himtwice in the torso.
But we don't get blood.
We just get stuffing.
nothing but stuff in nothing butstuff, nothing but stuffing.
So they go back into the room tolink up with this.
The cop did nothing here.
Yeah.
No, he didn't do anything.

(01:21:05):
Of course.
He provided the gun.
Are we surprised?
All the cop did was provided,goes hand a.
A gun over.
shocking.
And then another cop who wenever mentioned up until this
point, really unimportant kindof just a mustache on legs.
That's exactly what he is.
That's all you see is amustache.

(01:21:25):
He's like the sidekick to themain cop.
So he comes in, just burstingout of nowhere into another
human's home.
I mean, they did it earlier inthis movie, so I guess it makes
sense.
And then Chucky.
Ends up attacking him.
Yeah.
Do the great through the great,which is how this cop finally

(01:21:46):
accepts the fact that there isindeed a killer doll.
On the loose.
Because he almost got killed bythe killer dog.
But the funny part for me aboutthis is like, while the cop is
getting attacked by Chucky'sbody, Chucky's head is like over
in the corner and he's like,kill him, joke him, kill him,
get him.
Acting the body.
You're leading.
Yeah, it's so fucking funny.
And so the cop.

(01:22:07):
Mustache, we'll just call himmustache.
The end of this movie.
Mustache throws Chucky off ofhim.
And finally, somebody shootsChucky in the heart.
And we know because bloodsplatters everywhere.
Right.
Fucking everywhere.
And we get this really creepy.

(01:22:28):
Final line read from Chucky Hi,I'm Chucky.
Wanna play?
It's really creepy.
Yeah, it is creepy.
It's pretty creepy, but thatmeans chalky died.
Yup.
He's officially dead.
Shot him in the heart.
And then we get this fuckingline where Chris ran ins like,

(01:22:52):
do you believe me now?
And mustache is like, well,yeah, but who's going to believe
me.
So stupid.
So fuck it.
But I guess it like sets up likethe next movie.
With all the bullshit thathappens.
Spoiler alert.
Nobody believes them.
Nobody believes nobody believesthat.
Maybe.

(01:23:12):
Maybe, I don't know.
I'd like to say, so.
But yeah, that's it, you know,they all leave.
We end with a fucking freezeframe on Andy looking back
through the door.
I don't know if it's supposed tobe ominous, andy's possess now,
or if it's just Andy's fucked upforever now.
Yeah, that's how I get.
Okay.
I get that like this, this childis going to be messed up for the

(01:23:34):
rest of its life.
And boy is he.
Because we have a SQL coming up.
Many many, many SQL many sequelsspanning literal decades.
Yeah.
So that's it.
That's child's play.
Everybody.
Yeah.
Overall What do you think?
I think this movie has gottenscarier for me as I've gotten

(01:23:56):
older, really?
Because when I was younger, youknow, when I was little, when I
first watched it, it was justabout a scary doll.
Now that I'm older, it's abouthaving your child taken away
from you.
And having people not believeyou and, you know, being you
know, locked away against your,your will and, and there's other
aspects of it that are morefrightening to me now than, you

(01:24:17):
know, a doll running around onthe lease, which is still pretty
scary.
That's true, I think.
Yeah, because when you'reyounger, you don't really think
about themes like that and whatthe implications are really are.
Like you more, so just think oh,this is the immediate threat.
Is the villain.
And all the other stuff thathappens is just secondary.
Right.
there's no, Damage from it.

(01:24:38):
Right?
Cause the real damage is comingfrom the killer, but the reality
is.
The damage here is coming fromall ends.
Yep.
You.
You know, and yeah, you'reright.
The older you get the.
More able to clock that.
Yeah.
Interesting.
I never thought about it thatway.
Cause I'm, I'm very much of thecamp of like, When it comes to
the first entry of a franchise.

(01:25:00):
More often than not.
It like the first entry is notgoing to be my favorite.
And I'm going to find itprobably the most boring.
Um, Of the franchises.
And that's just because it's anot necessarily made to be a
franchise.
So like a lot of the expositionis typically dumped over time

(01:25:21):
and like the pacing.
Like when you're alreadyfamiliar with the story and just
like the pacing is it's it's itseems a bit slow.
And I'm impatient.
Um, But what I can say is likethere, I definitely have an
appreciation for this film.
Revisiting it, I love looking atthe effects.
I think the effects really holdup.
Like they really do.

(01:25:42):
They're quite good.
Like the, the practical effectsand even the puppetry.
All of it's great.
Yep.
Does it scare me?
Well, now that you said what yousaid, it's more like an
existential fear now.
That's exactly it.
Well, especially like right now.
You know, and it's, it'sinteresting.
Cause we sit here and we shit onconsumerism and capitalism.

(01:26:02):
It's not any better now.
It's not, it's just, we wantfrom TV commercials about cereal
to like social media influencersselling you like fucking cereal,
cereal.
Yeah.
Like mouth oil or whatever.
You know, Shadow work journalslike, oh my goodness.
It's the same.
It's the same shit.
Just like repackage.

(01:26:23):
Yep.
So, Yeah, it wouldn't be.
I guess it's not too far off.
You're right.
There is that existentialnotion.
Would you say that this moviehas a bit of a limp wrist?
Do you think this entry is a bitqueer?
I do think it's a bit queer.
Yeah.
Yeah, just, you know, The havinga family, that's not the

(01:26:43):
traditional nuclear family.
Is a little queer.
You mentioned the potentiallesbian coding between the, the
women and that's, that's apossibility.
You even mentioned the doctordying of the electroshock
therapy helmet.
So, yeah, there's definitelyqueer components in there.
I would agree.
This movie was written by a gayman.

(01:27:05):
So just innately.
There is a queer factor to it,whether that was watered down
by, you know, CIS het men comingin and taking over the project.
Right.
It's still rooted.
From a queer place, you know,and I agree just like the non
traditional nuclear family It'sstill anti-family values, which

(01:27:26):
to me always has some sort ofqueer.
Twinge to it.
There's still, you know, anelement of rebellion to it,
which yes, I support.
Well, excellent.
I had a lot of fun.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So next time we are going to betalking about what's probably.
Like one of my most favorites ofthe franchise.

(01:27:47):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Child's play too.
I love child's play too.
Childsplay too.
It's dead.
It's different.
It's very different.
Yeah.
And so we have lots of talkabout there until then.
Donnie, where can our listenersfind you?
You can find me on Instagram atthe Donnie Cianciotto and you

(01:28:07):
can find me in Queens.
That's true.
We love Queens.
There's some great food inQueens.
Or some amazing food and queenamazing fucking.
I mean Queens.
Well, I'm crabby, but you canfind me at crying underscore in
underscore public.
And of course you can followhorror icon at horror icon pod.
W H O R R O R icon pod.

(01:28:28):
Uh, Instagram, the Twitter, allof the above.
So until next time, cuties,thank you so much.
And don't be scared.
Unless you're into that sort ofthing.
Hey.
Bye.

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