Child's Play 3

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So, For For those of you who arewatching, you may notice that I
look a little bit
little bit
Um, I am in my Masc presenting thembo form.

Donnie (00:49):
Yes, boy drag.

CryBaby (00:50):
Yeah, boy drag And that's because that's because
Mama's booked.
Very booked, very blessed, verystressed.

Donnie (00:56):
All three of those things, they go together.

CryBaby (00:58):
A Thousand percent.
Like, I just came from one of myjobs, and I have another one
tonight.
And this is so delicatelysandwiched in between, so I had
no time to get into drag or getout of drag.

Donnie (01:09):
Well, it's fun.
It's nice to see, you know, theyou behind the you.

CryBaby (01:12):
That's true.
true, this is the baby behindthe cry.
But yeah, that's, that's mypulling back the curtain moment
today.

Donnie (01:19):
We'll probably have more of those.

CryBaby (01:21):
There's gonna going to be so many, like, we're doing
reshoots on the horror moviethat we shot last summer, and
I'm in the middle of a characterdesign, character redesign, And
it's a it's a lot of work.

Donnie (01:31):
like a lot of work.

CryBaby (01:32):
Yeah, but it looks pretty badass.
I'll send you the video.
I had the actor come in and tryit on yesterday.
And um, it looks pretty fun.

Donnie (01:40):
Well, I, I saw some of the stuff that you did when you
were shooting it last summer,and it looked amazing.

CryBaby (01:46):
Thank you.
All in the name of horror.

Donnie (01:49):
yes

CryBaby (01:50):
speaking of horror, we are continuing our exploration,
examination, and celebration ofChild's Play.
With the third installment,Child's Play 3,

Donnie (02:01):
Child's Play 3.
whether you like it or not.

CryBaby (02:03):
whether you like it or not, and I believe that there's
quite a lot of people out therethat are on the side of or

Donnie (02:09):
Or not.
yeah.
Where do you fall?
Do you, do you fall on the sideof or not?

CryBaby (02:13):
Um, no.
So, here's the thing.
I personally don't feel likethere is a bad movie in the
franchise.
I don't.
I think with all of them thereis something to enjoy.
There's something to celebrate.
There's entertaining elements.
this movie does have a specialplace in my heart.
I talked about it when we talkedabout why we chose Child's Play.
It's like the first horror movieI remember watching.

(02:35):
So, I will always have some sortof soft spot for Child's Play 3.

Donnie (02:38):
I can't say I have that with this one, but it is, like
you said, I don't think there'sa bad movie, a standalone bad
movie in the franchise.

CryBaby (02:46):
It's just that this one is, it's the weakest, You know,
and looking at how it got made,it was made less than a year
after the second one came out,so it feels very first drafty.

Donnie (02:58):
Yes, it does.
It does feel first drafty.
It probably, maybe it was.

CryBaby (03:02):
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
I mean, even just the notion ofit taking place on a military
academy, that just feels soinnately, like.
90s first draft idea.

Donnie (03:15):
Oh, for some reason it was such a popular especially
like a military school for, fordelinquent kids.
And to set a Chucky movie likein a, in a location like that,
It was kind of like they had awhole bunch of things and they
picked it out of a hat and said,We're going to go ahead and do
this.

CryBaby (03:31):
I'm not against the idea, totally.
Because I do like theexploration of just like the
strict, rigid idea of like whatmasculinity is, and what being
an adult is, and I think thatthere is something to play with
and explore there.
I just don't think that they hadenough time to fully flesh it
out.

(03:51):
But I mean, here we are.
Chucky goes to military

Donnie (03:54):
Chucky goes to military school.
That would've been a great titlefor the movie, hon.

CryBaby (03:59):
on it.
I mean, honestly, I think so, Ialso think a lot about what you
said about Child's Play 2, whereit felt like Child's Play 2
didn't exactly know what itwanted to be.
how I how I feel about this one.
I feel like Chucky's trying tobe this wisecracking, killer
even more so in this movie.
And for me it falls way moreflat.

Donnie (04:21):
Yeah.
Yeah.
We do get a lot of Chuckyone-liners in child's play
three.
And I agree that they fall flat.
It something about theenvironment that they're in
doesn't lend itself to comedyreally.
And so when he tries to do hislittle, you know, quick.
You know snaps at everybody.
It just kind of doesn't sink in

CryBaby (04:40):
It just feels cheesy.
It feels corny.

Donnie (04:42):
He's trying to be catty, but they're literally at a
military school and it justdoesn't work

CryBaby (04:46):
Exactly.
and I do have thoughts on how itcould work and we'll get to that
later Um, When we talk about itcause there's a specific thing I
want to address in the moviethat I think Would have helped
This whole thing work a lot

Donnie (05:01):
Cool

CryBaby (05:01):
but yeah, so, in general, like, what are your
thoughts towards this?

Donnie (05:05):
It's not one of my faves.
I, I have to say I think it's myleast favorite in the franchise.
which isn't to say that it isn'ta good stand alone movie.
It just doesn't work for me incomparison to everything else,
you know?
I tend to lose interestpersonally as soon as anything
militaristic gets involved, soit was kind of a slog for me to
have to sit there and watch, youknow, the misogyny and things

(05:28):
like that.
It's just like, uh, I'm just,I'm just not that into it.
So yeah, it was, when I, when Iwas doing my rewatch, it was
definitely the one where I waslike, if I could skip one, this
would be it.

CryBaby (05:40):
Absolutely.
absolutely.
Well let's just jump on into theplot of the movie cause it, in a
way, picks up where the secondone left off.
At least in a setting, The firstshot we

Donnie (05:52):
What shot we get?
Yeah,

CryBaby (05:59):
Yeah, it's all cobwebby and dingy and we're in the good
guy factory at this point.
And there's still some safetyconcerns.
happening because they use thisunnecessarily sharp claw to grab
Chucky's

Donnie (06:17):
What's left of it, yeah, the big smushed chunk of bloody
Chucky.

CryBaby (06:22):
The Chunk of Bloody Chucky exactly, all melted and
garbage pale kid and all that.
stuff.
They're, They have this sharpclaw that literally stabs into
him and his very fresh blood.
going everywhere.

Donnie (06:36):
Chuckie is still bleeding under all that wax.

CryBaby (06:39):
Under all that wax after all this time it's a very
fresh strawberry syrup lookingass

Donnie (06:44):
wrote down bloody goo.
It's not just blood.
It's bloody goo.

CryBaby (06:48):
Mm hmm.
It is bloody goo.
And they pick up his little bodyand It just carry it over this
vat of and we get bloodcontamination.

Donnie (07:02):
Just, we get blood contamination.
Yes.

CryBaby (07:05):
Yes.
the bloody goo goes into thisvat of plastic and it starts
spinning and we get this goldeneye looking ass.
intro

Donnie (07:13):
look like golden eye.
Yes, it's a big spiral.

CryBaby (07:16):
Yes, golden eye.
I used to play that a lot.
That was like one of my favoriteNintendo 64

Donnie (07:21):
was never good at first person shooters.

CryBaby (07:23):
Me either.
I just, I don't know.
There was something about itthough that was so enjoyable.
But that's what this, uh, titlecard reminds me of.
It's just like, yeah, it feelsvery Bondian.

Donnie (07:31):
It's, i wouldnt have picked that up if you hadnt
mentioned it

CryBaby (07:35):
I guess it's an eye.
Well, it looks like an eye.
Yeah, it's an eye.

Donnie (07:41):
Now, damn it, it's an eye.

CryBaby (07:44):
dammit it's an eye, but what we do get, Something I can
appreciate about this film, Ithink this opening title
sequence is pretty cool.
you know, it's this, parade ofjust, like, blood and melted
plastic just going across thescreen essentially recomposing
Chucky's body.

Donnie (08:00):
Which, you know, this is the second time that we've put
Chucky back together again, andI think after the first time
they would have learned to, youknow, not do this.

CryBaby (08:10):
I guess so, but also I think, this isn't the same body.
It's just his blood was in theplastic, so his soul went into
the first doll that was madefrom that batch.
Yeah,

Donnie (08:24):
that.
That's a good way of looking atit.

CryBaby (08:26):
and I think that's why, um, Spoiler, I guess.
At this point we're in spoilerterritory, um, Because he's in a
new body, I think that's why hedoesn't need Andy.

Donnie (08:37):
Because he's in a new body.

CryBaby (08:38):
Because he recognizes that he's in a new body, and he
introduces himself to adifferent child.
And he's just like, I can do, Ican

Donnie (08:46):
here.
That's not really covered in themovie.
It's not really discussed whyhe's able

CryBaby (08:53):
it's literally thrown away in one line.
and almost a soliloquy.
Yeah.
cause Chucky says it to himself.
He's like, hmm, I'm in a newbody.
And then that's when he goes toTyler and he's like, I'm Charles
Lee Ray.

Donnie (09:08):
So that's it.
That's how they explain it.
Ha ha ha.
ha.

CryBaby (09:11):
Yeah, it could've been stronger, but, to not get too
ahead of ourselves, yes, Chuckyis being recomposed.

Donnie (09:17):
recomposed.

CryBaby (09:19):
it's pretty cool, it's very clearly one of those things
where they recorded somethingmelting and then just played it
in

Donnie (09:24):
Yes.

CryBaby (09:25):
Which is effective.

Donnie (09:26):
it's uh, the special

CryBaby (09:28):
hmm.

Donnie (09:28):
sweet.

CryBaby (09:29):
Yeah, um, very reminiscent of Hellraiser.
hellraiser Yeah It's just likethe the melting and all that.
It's pretty cool.
And then it ends with thisbeautiful bellow from Brad
Dourif When Chucky realizes he'salive again

Donnie (09:45):
I mean, at this point, you've gotta be a little
disappointed.

CryBaby (09:48):
Yeah, I mean I think so.
But that makes me wonder doesChucky like being dead at this
point

Donnie (09:53):
Maybe.

CryBaby (09:54):
or at least just like not happy that he's back in a
doll body at this point.
I guess

Donnie (09:59):
this point.

CryBaby (10:03):
When I just died twice trying to get out of the tall
body.

Donnie (10:06):
of it.
It's

CryBaby (10:08):
It's like Jesus.
And you get that, like, he's, heseems so upset.
This.
Scream used to scare the shitout of me as a kid.

Donnie (10:18):
still makes me jump.

CryBaby (10:19):
I remember I would watch this opening sequence and
run away from the TV before he

Donnie (10:23):
Did you really?
That is so cute.

CryBaby (10:24):
I really did.
Yeah.
Little baby.
I mean, okay, so this came outin 91.
Which means you were right thatthe last one came out in 90.
So points for Donnie Mm hmm.
when this came out, I was three.

Donnie (10:39):
wow.
Okay.

CryBaby (10:40):
I probably watched it because I, it was on TV, Of
course, probably in like 95 So Iwas like

Donnie (10:47):
Yeah.
You were little when you werewatching it.

CryBaby (10:49):
very very little.
But yeah, it's effective, andlike, we get an idea of how
Chucky feels.

Donnie (10:55):
Yes, very early on.

CryBaby (10:57):
And then we immediately cut into this meeting with the
bigwigs of the Playpal company.

Donnie (11:04):
That's right, we're in a boardroom now, and I love it
because every, almost everysingle person is smoking.

CryBaby (11:10):
Oh my god, right, so interesting to me that smoking
indoors was so

Donnie (11:15):
Oh yeah.
Oh, It was such

CryBaby (11:17):
And It didn't change really until recently.

Donnie (11:20):
people were and, I mean, they're still smoking in bars in
middle America.
You know, used to go to Oklahomaa lot to compete in these drag
pageants.
um, people were still able tosmoke in the bar.
And it was like What year isthis?

CryBaby (11:35):
Yeah, it's because I remember this must be like 2000,
maybe 2008, 2009.
I worked at a movie theater andmy shifts wouldn't end until
like two o'clock in the morning.
And the closing crew and I wouldalways go to like a Denny's and
like get dinner and stufftogether.
And like, I remember going,like, Into the smoking section
and smoking in a

Donnie (11:55):
too.
And

CryBaby (11:56):
And I'm like, Oh yeah, this was like maybe 15 years
ago.

Donnie (11:59):
Yeah.
And my favorite was always, um,when the smoking section and the
non smoking section were rightnext to each other with no kind
of partitions whatsoever.

CryBaby (12:06):
Yeah.
It's like, what's the point atthat point?
My favorite thing though is likegoing into the airport and
seeing like this smoking roomAnd it's almost like looking
into an aquarium of like verystressed people just like

Donnie (12:17):
It's all just foggy and smoky.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I love the fact thateverybody is Smoking in this
board meeting.

CryBaby (12:23):
And also this board meeting, like, you can totally
tell that, you know, affirmativeaction was in place because what
would otherwise have probablybeen a room of White men.
we had one woman and one black

Donnie (12:34):
Just enough for the quota.
Yeah.

CryBaby (12:36):
Because Playpal only cares about consumer trainees.

Donnie (12:41):
which is what they call children, which is such a good,
frightening term.

CryBaby (12:47):
Mm hmm.
That's a phrase that Don gotfrom his dad, Because his dad
worked in advertising.
And he specifically mentionedthat phrase, consumer trainees,
which is so malicious.

Donnie (12:57):
is.
Consumer trainees.
I didn't know that his dadworked in advertising, but I'm
not surprised that you do.

CryBaby (13:01):
Of course, because I am obsessed with Don Mancini and I
would love to just be in thesame room with him for however
long he'll

Donnie (13:09):
for however have me.

CryBaby (13:11):
which is hopefully a

Donnie (13:12):
eight

CryBaby (13:13):
Yeah, until the paint peels off of the wall.

Donnie (13:16):
the

CryBaby (13:17):
Yes.
we do get this like, this is ourexposition dump in this moment
cause we get this slideshow ofthem just like Andy Barkley
hates our company Killer doll.

Donnie (13:28):
Charle's Lee Ray,

CryBaby (13:30):
yeah, and the CEO's just like no one's gonna
remember that child.
let's make that money and rerelease the good guy doll
because everybody wants it.

Donnie (13:39):
And there is one character, uh, whose name is
Miles who works there.
And Miles does not think thatthis is a good idea.
because of the Andy Barclaysituation and, you know, the
fact that the company lost awhole lot of money because of
all of that, there wereapparently, there were lawsuits
that he mentions, and he istotally and completely against

(14:00):
the re release of the Good GuyBells, but the big CEO boss guy
doesn't really care.

CryBaby (14:05):
Nope, cause he just wants his money and I mean,
kudos to this, uh, guy forspeaking up against the CEO
cause he was just like, nomatter what y'all do, I want it
to be on record that I am verymuch against

Donnie (14:17):
Yes.
And we're like, okay, way to go,buddy.
And then, you know, we never seehim again.

CryBaby (14:22):
We, I know, it would have been so great to see him
again.
But Whatever.
But the CEO, this is the sameCEO from the last movie, so yay
for continuity.

Donnie (14:31):
The one in the last movie who said his tummy hurts,
or his stomach hurts.
He's back.

CryBaby (14:35):
That's right.
His tummy hurts.
A lot more is gonna hurt here.

Donnie (14:40):
This is a great sequence.

CryBaby (14:41):
Oh my gosh, this is so fun.
This is what I would want froma, a child's play sequence.
just with like this perversionof

Donnie (14:48):
Absolutely.
Yes.
we see the CEO is gifted a goodguy doll, like one of the first,
I think they say it's the firstone off the line.

CryBaby (14:57):
They say the first good guy of the

Donnie (14:59):
the nineties.
Yes.
Welcome.
The good guy of the nineties wholooks suspiciously like the good
guy of the eighties.

CryBaby (15:04):
Very

Donnie (15:04):
I can't say anything has changed, but a new decade, new
good guy doll.

CryBaby (15:08):
of course, and this is very 90s Because this penthouse
it it reeks of 90s aesthetic.

Donnie (15:18):
yeah.
Even like the late eighties thatpoured over to the nineties, you
know, it's, got the floor toceiling glass windows and, it's
not, it's not mid-centurymodern, I guess it was just
modern that was so popular inthe early nineties.
Everything is very angular.

CryBaby (15:31):
Very very angular.
You have like this sleek, likesharper image, leather sofa.

Donnie (15:37):
what it looks like.
Sharper image.

CryBaby (15:39):
that's for me, like, what gets

Donnie (15:41):
The couch, the leather sofa is what gets it for you.

CryBaby (15:43):
Yes.
That just feels so, 90s CEO

Donnie (15:48):
It is, because of the company that he works for, it
is, of course, covered in toys.
And you see a pile, I can't tellwhat they are, but they're good
guy accessories that are, like,over on one of the tables, and
robots and dinosaurs all sortsof toy sets,

CryBaby (16:04):
it's pretty cool.
And he also, of course, he has aplay golf set.

Donnie (16:08):
Yes.
One of those golf sets, hit theball into, and then it shoots
the ball back at you.

CryBaby (16:12):
Exactly.
so the CEO takes his new goodguy doll into his penthouse and
the assistant that gave himpushback was just like, having
this final wrap up conversation.
It's kind of a nothingconversation, but he has dinner
with his wife, so he has to go.

Donnie (16:26):
Very important

CryBaby (16:27):
And during this conversation, Chucky gets out of
the box.
Out of the box.

Donnie (16:34):
We don't see it.

CryBaby (16:35):
We don't, We

Donnie (16:36):
the empty box.
This made me jump.
It's just a moment where we'rewatching the CEO in the, in his
office, doing his, you know,lighting a cigar, and pouring,
himself a drink and stuff likethat and the camera is panning
and we see the box and thenright when we see that the box
is empty there's this soundeffect just this jolting sound
effect and it scared the crapout of me it was just the the

(16:58):
sound was just done so well iwas like oh god give that guy an
oscar

CryBaby (17:02):
i love I, sound design really can make or break a
horror sequence And that's not asecret.
It's so frickin

Donnie (17:10):
Yep.

CryBaby (17:11):
And in general, I think the sound design in this
sequence is good, with all thetoy noises and stuff.

Donnie (17:16):
it's just so playful while being so violent.

CryBaby (17:19):
Exactly, Because what happens is, like the CEO is like
watching the news and drinkinghis alcohol and playing his
golf, and then Chucky startsfucking with him.
he starts like making the toysgo all haywire.
He spills marbles and the CEOslips on the floor.

Donnie (17:37):
E.
Coyote, just running in placefor a second, you know, reminded
me of a Wile E.
Coyote cartoon.

CryBaby (17:43):
It is very much like that, And then he starts getting
attacked by all these othertoys, like a remote control car,
the army, uh, robots, and a

Donnie (17:53):
Yeah.
The helicopter's pretty cool.

CryBaby (17:55):
It is.
And it's like, it's just likeit's Toy Store

Donnie (17:58):
Yeah.

CryBaby (17:58):
which I'm here

Donnie (17:59):
toy store chaos.
Yeah.
Which I like because it'sreminiscent of the toy store
chaos from the first movie.

CryBaby (18:04):
it

Donnie (18:05):
is.
And I love the, the car thatattacks him because isn't it a
cop car?

CryBaby (18:08):
it is a

Donnie (18:09):
cop car, and it crashes.
It's like, ooh, we got to watcha big car crash, but it's
actually just a little toy.

CryBaby (18:15):
But It was a pretty violent crash.
Like that thing was going

Donnie (18:18):
Yeah, that was an intense

CryBaby (18:20):
Yeah, the toy itself, like, it doesn't explode, but it
just, like, it flies apart.
And then we get this fun moment,where we have two good guy dolls
sitting in office chairs Andthey're just like having this
conversation of like, Hi, myname is Larry.
Hi, my name is Tommy.
I like to be hugged.
I like to be hugged.
And it reminds me a little bitof that video where somebody

(18:40):
took the two iPads next to eachother.
it's like this app that likedoes the same thing.
It's a call and response.
and it's just like,

Speaker 3 (18:48):
My voice is higher than your voice.

CryBaby (19:05):
And they just start screaming back and forth.
have

Donnie (19:07):
No, I have not seen that.
sounds ridiculous.

CryBaby (19:10):
I'm going to send it to you because That's the first
thing that my brain went to

Donnie (19:15):
funny.
I thought of two Furbies sittingthere just yelling at each
other.
One Furby would say somethingand the other Furby would wake
up and say something, you know.

CryBaby (19:23):
Same

Donnie (19:24):
Yep, exactly the same.

CryBaby (19:26):
And it's interesting, um, it's scary, it's unnerving
because we're like, is one ofthese Chucky?

Donnie (19:32):
Yeah, and just the little kid's voice repeating
itself over and over again isalso just jarring.

CryBaby (19:38):
And then we find out that neither of these is

Donnie (19:41):
That's right.

CryBaby (19:42):
Chucky is behind this guy and he, uh, I think he,
beats him with the golf club.

Donnie (19:47):
believe there's some beating with a golf club, then
there's the, uh, this is reallycool, is the yo yo.

CryBaby (19:52):
Oh, Chucky gets back to his roots.

Donnie (19:55):
back to his roots, and we get to see the Lakeshore
Strangler do a strangulationdeath with a toy yo yo.

CryBaby (20:03):
Very fun.

Donnie (20:04):
And he even said something about it's nice to get
back to the roots, or it's niceto get back to my roots, or
something like that.

CryBaby (20:09):
Yeah.
just nothing like a good oldfashioned, like strangulation or
something like

Donnie (20:14):
Yeah, something like that.
oh, and But it's Like the goodold days, that's what he says.
And, um, he is, I know you likethis, but he's got super feral
Chucky face on when all of thisis happening.

CryBaby (20:24):
he does.
We get a lot of feral Chuckyface in

Donnie (20:26):
Yeah, we do.
Pretty much every time there's adeath sequence, he's got that
crazy look on his face.

CryBaby (20:32):
Oh yeah, And it's so funny because it's so static of
a facial expression in this one.

Donnie (20:38):
As opposed it's not

CryBaby (20:39):
not as animated, or maybe we linger on it too much
in this movie.
But that Feral Chucky face, itjust feels like a mask of just
like,

Donnie (20:46):
Yes, it does.
that's what it

CryBaby (20:49):
it.

Donnie (20:50):
His mouth's open but kind of cocked to the side a
little bit.
And I

CryBaby (20:53):
Exactly, with like, angry eyebrows.

Donnie (20:55):
first line in the movie, I think it's his first line, is
don't fuck with the chuck.

CryBaby (21:00):
Yeah, that's, again, that's one of those lines where
I'm just like, Not the, theseone liners aren't

Donnie (21:06):
Yeah, that's what we're starting with, you know, like,
okay, um.
We haven't gotten to themilitary school yet, so the
movie could have gone in adifferent direction with these
one liners, but, you know, Iwould say it's a weak start.

CryBaby (21:17):
yeah, it's just, it's not good, like, for those of us
who know Chucky, it's not asatisfying reintroduction.
For people who don't knowChucky, it's not an informative,
satisfying, like, Introduction.
it's It's, certainly not as goodas you stupid, bitchy, filthy
slut.
I'll teach you to fuck with me.

Donnie (21:34):
not.
Definitely not.
that's hard to beat.

CryBaby (21:37):
That is.
I don't think we ever

Donnie (21:38):
No, it's one of my favorites.
And then, after this deathoccurs, we are all of a sudden,
transported to a militaryacademy, a military school for,
for kids.
And I just remember thinking,what, what just happened?

CryBaby (21:51):
Yeah.
Cause like when Chucky looks itup on the computer, which um, I
don't know if that's what theinternet looked like back then
or how

Donnie (22:02):
yeah, it's pretty, pretty accurate.
Although I don't even rememberthe internet looking that good
back then.
but I did notice that the wordjuvenile, juvenile, was spelled
incorrectly on the computer.

CryBaby (22:13):
Yes, it

Donnie (22:13):
was.
Yeah, the juvenile facility, andI don't remember how they
spelled it, but I was like,that's not accurate.

CryBaby (22:18):
Yeah, I remember catching that too.
So kudos to the production,designer,

Donnie (22:23):
the

CryBaby (22:24):
props, or the PA that typed that in.
there.
Who knows?
But yeah, he's in the MilitaryAcademy for Juvenile
Delinquents.

Donnie (22:31):
I don't know what it is with The, the third movie in a
series always changing locationsso dramatically.
You know?
I feel like even the TeenageMutant Ninja Turtles movie did
that.

CryBaby (22:40):
they did.

Donnie (22:41):
yeah, the third Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie has
them going back in time to,like, feudal, I'm gonna say it
wrong, where do they go?
They must go to China.
yeah, you know, is it like, wehave to keep this series fresh,
you know?
So let's change things upcompletely.
We'll send Andy to a veryhomoerotic location.

CryBaby (23:00):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
It's I, I guess that is part ofit.
Cause it's, they don't want todo the same thing over and over
again.
You know, we were in Chicago,then suburban Chicago.
and so naturally a militaryacademy is the next step because
it's.
Fresh and new and different.

Donnie (23:14):
have a different.
actor playing Andy.
So, you know, maybe they figuredif they changed a whole lot, we
wouldn't notice

CryBaby (23:19):
Exactly.
It's cause this is the only timein the series where we have,
like, a time

Donnie (23:25):
Mhm.
Mhm.

CryBaby (23:26):
and then everything else after this point, like they
Kind of stick to a lineartimeline.
but you know, we had like aneight year jump in the story.
And so I think that is part ofit.
They had to set it in thisenvironment that's also kind of
timeless.
You know, there wouldn't be anyindicators of what, era we're in

(23:46):
because the military academyjust by nature is very like,
stripped, strict um, uniform andyou won't have as much of like
an outside cultural influencethat would give away like oh
we're actually not eight yearsin the future we're actually in

Donnie (24:00):
Right that's that's true you're not seeing what street
clothes people are wearing oryou know what cars they're
driving or anything like that.
Yeah it's very insulated.

CryBaby (24:07):
Yeah, but this, this military academy, I mean, I'm
not feeling it as a setting,

Donnie (24:14):
No, and I just kept wondering how are they gonna do
this?

CryBaby (24:17):
Yeah, and it's, it's Also interesting because I feel
like there's allusion to Andyreally taking what Kyle said,
But in a direction that isolatedhim and put him in this kind of
situation?

Donnie (24:32):
Taking what Kyle said about how you have to take care
of yourself?

CryBaby (24:34):
Yeah, yeah, because he talks because we get this scene
of him with Cochran, who's um,the head and master, what are
they called?
The the leaders of thesemilitary troops.

Donnie (24:47):
Um, they refer to him as Colonel.

CryBaby (24:49):
Colonel, Colonel Cochran.
who is supposed to be like thismacho, kind of guy, and, They're
having this conversation, andyeah, Andy is basically Just
like yeah, I am jumping fromfoster home to foster home
because I can't trust anybody.
I kind of almost like that selffulfilling prophecy of what Kyle
said would happen.
And so he like prepared for itand by preparing for it it ended

(25:09):
up happening, Not to put theblame on Andy, but

Donnie (25:12):
That could very much be it.
You know, I just know that lotsof kids don't have luck in the
foster system I'm not surprisedthat he ended up in a.
A school for delinquent,

CryBaby (25:21):
There are quotes around that.
Delinquents.
but immediately this guy,Cochran don't like him.

Donnie (25:27):
You don't like him?
Yeah.

CryBaby (25:29):
I don't, I and there's two things is one, I think the
character himself is supposed tobe almost this hyperbolic
caricature of toxic masculinity.
And I also think that he wasmiscast.
feel like this guy needed to betougher,

Donnie (25:43):
This man almost has a grandpa like quality about him.
Where he's just, he comes off assofter than I think this
character should be.
You know, you almost want tolike

CryBaby (25:53):
almost.
And then you listen to what he'sactually saying and you're

Donnie (25:56):
Nevermind.

CryBaby (25:57):
you know, he's the one that tells Andy that he needs to
grow up and not play with dollsand la la

Donnie (26:02):
that he needs

CryBaby (26:05):
Oh, does he?

Donnie (26:07):
not with dolls, and blah blah blah blah blah.
Oh, he?
Yeah.

CryBaby (26:19):
But he ends up shipping Andy off to Botnik, the barber,

Donnie (26:25):
the barber.

CryBaby (26:26):
to get his hair car,

Donnie (26:27):
Get His

CryBaby (26:28):
His hair cut, his hair cart,

Donnie (26:31):
he's gotta get his haircut.
and Botnick is A bastard?
bastard.
Yeah, a sadistic bastard.

CryBaby (26:37):
Elaborate.
I want to hear your thoughts.

Donnie (26:40):
Well I happen to find Botnick as a potentially
closeted gay man.
Which is just the feel I getfrom him.
Maybe it's the mustache, I don'tknow.
But he seems really angry aboutstuff, and he's taking it out on
these kids.
And I find it very fascinatingthat he's He's, you know,
talking about shaving people'sheads and making them bald, but
he's leaving pretty coolhaircuts on a lot of these kids.

(27:01):
And also his hair is not buzzed.
So I have many questions aboutBotnik.
He just seems like he's seensome shit and he's mad about it.

CryBaby (27:10):
Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts about him.
First off, he's played by AndrewRobinson, who uh, was in
Hellraiser.
He was the father.
um, Hank, or I don't know hisname.
So, my thoughts on Botnik.
he is such a maniac.
And his is so fascinating to me.
The way Andrew Robinson playsBotnik with such a manic, over

(27:35):
the top.
I feel like, it's pretty campy.
if everything else on this moviewas at that same level, It could
have worked.

Donnie (27:43):
Yes.

CryBaby (27:43):
Just this absurd, maniacal, hyperbolic caricature
of, like, masculinity in themilitary.
I think if everything else inthe movie matched him, it would
have been so much better.

Donnie (27:55):
in the movie matched him, it would have been so much
better.
Oh yeah.
Yes.
And he's

CryBaby (28:09):
Oh, yeah, yes, and he's enjoying, um, like, fucking with
Andy, when cutting his hair.
And while this is happening, weget that good guy commercial or
TV show playing on the TV.
And this is where we meet

Donnie (28:23):
Little Tyler,

CryBaby (28:25):
little Tyler, who is also waiting to get his hair
cut.
yeah, I think he's supposed tobe in this movie, like, what,
eight?

Donnie (28:31):
That would be my guess.

CryBaby (28:32):
he seems too old, in my opinion, to be reacting to The
Good Guy commercial the way hedoes.

Donnie (28:38):
Yeah, the good guy commercial looks like you know,
animated for like really littlekids, you know, like four or
five year olds, but he, he'sjust so adorable.
And you know, I, I call childrenit, but this is a cute one.
And you know, his, his reaction,guess he must be a good little
actor because his reaction to meseems genuine.

(28:59):
But, you're right, I think he'sa little too old to, you know,
have had that reaction.

CryBaby (29:03):
Yeah, I agree.
He is very adorable, and he is,um, as an actor, I think he is
great.
I just don't think the dialogue,in my opinion, matches up with
how I would.
imagine an eight year oldacting.
He seems too

Donnie (29:18):
Yes, yes.
Like, he'd say something like,Oh, wow, cool! Instead of like,
Oh, gosh, I love that! You know,like Yeah.

CryBaby (29:25):
Yeah.

Donnie (29:25):
It's very gosh golly G.
Willikers.

CryBaby (29:28):
it is.
And he's just, he's very takenby this Good Guy commercial.
And meanwhile, Andy is overthere having a PTSD flashback.

Donnie (29:37):
Yeah, he's having a flashback.

CryBaby (29:38):
so this is the one we kind of see, of course, Andy is
still affected.
And I think I know where it's

Donnie (29:43):
And

CryBaby (29:45):
And then from here, we get even more, There's so many
character jumps happening,because we now get to meet

Donnie (29:52):
Whitehurst, yes.

CryBaby (29:54):
who is literally in the

Donnie (29:55):
Yes, tied up in the closet at a military academy.

CryBaby (29:58):
So, Whitehurst is a nerd.
and we know because he has

Donnie (30:02):
Yes, that's how we can tell.
That Whitehurst is a nerd.
And, uh He's gonna be Andy'sroommate.
Or Andy's gonna be his roommate.
So Andy comes in and hearsbanging in the closet, and of
course we think, he thinks,maybe it's Chucky.
But it's not.
It's just the glasses wearingnerd, Whitehurst.

CryBaby (30:17):
Who was stuffed in there by their, um, I don't
know, military titles.
This guy's

Donnie (30:23):
Is it, is it, Lieutenant Colonel?
Is that what they're callinghim?
Because he's like, uh, justbelow the colonel.

CryBaby (30:29):
Guess?
I don't know.
I should have written it down.
I just wrote down their names.
I don't care about titles.

Donnie (30:35):
about titles.
Yeah.
All need to know is he'sbasically, Oh, cadet lieutenant
colonel.
I did write it down.

CryBaby (30:46):
Cadet lieutenant colonel.
Anybody who listens to this whois in the military or cares
about the military is going totear me a fucking

Donnie (30:52):
Probably.
All, all two people who arewatching this who care about the
military.

CryBaby (30:57):
I know.
Here's the thing.
I don't care.
I am very gay.
I am very conflict averse unlessrequired.
So the military is not somethingI'm particularly interested in.
So I'm going to leave it at

Donnie (31:12):
We're alienating two viewers.
Sorry,

CryBaby (31:14):
Sorry

Donnie (31:15):
without

CryBaby (31:15):
enjoy the movie without that.
all you need to know is he'sbasically this guy Sheldon is
basically like the RA of thefucking dorms or whatever.
they're called quarters

Donnie (31:25):
he's a total douche canoe.

CryBaby (31:27):
an absolute asshat.
He definitely has one of thosefaces that you want to

Donnie (31:31):
Yes, he does.
he has a very, very, doucheyface.

CryBaby (31:34):
He has like a turtle shaped lip.

Donnie (31:36):
turtle shaped lip He does.
Yep.
Yep.

CryBaby (31:40):
I can't even do it with my own mouth.
I don't have lips.
So I can't

Donnie (31:43):
know I got these skinny little lips.

CryBaby (31:46):
So yeah, we meet all of our secondary characters for the
film.
most of them.
We have two more to meet.
We are now, uh, Andy is in thedrill lineup thingy, that they

Donnie (31:56):
thingy, yes.
where

CryBaby (31:58):
where we finally see Sheldon.

Donnie (32:00):
he is, you know, screaming in everybody's face.
And he singles out Andy, becauseAndy is the new guy.
And he calls him two names thatI love.
He calls him Dipweed and Nimrod.
And he calls him Dipweed.

CryBaby (32:11):
Dickweed

Donnie (32:11):
No, not dick.
dip weed.

CryBaby (32:13):
Oh,

Donnie (32:14):
Yeah.
Whatever that is.

CryBaby (32:15):
What is a

Donnie (32:16):
I'm not sure what a dip weed is, but apparently it was
very insulting in 1991.

CryBaby (32:21):
very very interesting.

Donnie (32:22):
catch any of those.
Oh, I was fascinated by the, thesilliness of it, so I wrote them
down.

CryBaby (32:28):
Yeah, Dipweed and Nimrod kind of sounds like a
comedy duo

Donnie (32:31):
Yes, it does.
Welcome to the stage, Dipweedand

CryBaby (32:34):
Yessssssssss.
I actually kind of love that.
I'm going to write that down.
I'm going to steal it.
but yeah, He does.
He zeros in on Andy and he juststarts tearing him apart and
then he goes to Whitehurst andstarts tearing him apart.
And then this is when we finallymeet Da

Donnie (32:49):
Ah, Da Silva.

CryBaby (32:50):
Good old Da Silva, our strong, independent

Donnie (32:53):
Yes, the one female character in the movie.

CryBaby (32:55):
The single, I mean, Andy needs a love interest.

Donnie (32:58):
yeah, I mean she's she's a

CryBaby (32:59):
He's a teenager now.

Donnie (33:01):
for a reason.

CryBaby (33:02):
Yep, and it's not to be Anything?
I don't even know, Like, I, Ilike the idea of De Silva.

Donnie (33:09):
Silva.

CryBaby (33:12):
Yeah, because she, you know, kind of defends Whitehurst
and Andy because Sheldon isgoing in on them and she's just
like, Asshole under her breath.
And when he asks her, What didyou say, to Silva?
She's like, I said, you

Donnie (33:25):
Yes, she's she's not pulling any punches.

CryBaby (33:29):
she's not she's very

Donnie (33:30):
She is sassy.
And she doesn't seem to care.
And then, he tells her to dropand give her, Give him 20, and
she says, 20 what?
He says, push ups,

CryBaby (33:37):
Yeah, she's like 20

Donnie (33:38):
give

CryBaby (33:39):
I will have to say though.
Her push up form is trash.

Donnie (33:42):
It's, it's not the best, but Neither is mine.

CryBaby (33:44):
I mean she

Donnie (33:45):
mom is like,

CryBaby (33:46):
is I'm like bitch.
You're gonna hurt yourself.
Yeah, she turns her fingertipsin towards the center, and I'm
like, that rotation's gonna fuckyou up,

Donnie (33:54):
fuck you up, baby.

CryBaby (33:56):
Um, so yeah, Da Silva does her 25 pushups for clapping
Back,

Donnie (34:00):
Clapping and back

CryBaby (34:01):
yep, For clapping back.
And, oh, he makes her do two onehanded

Donnie (34:05):
Mm-Hmm.
And she, she does them all.
So you know that she's a strong,independent woman.

CryBaby (34:10):
exactly.
She talks back and she's notafraid of, uh, authority.
She will take any challenge.
Yeah.
Solid character, I think.
I just wish I just wish we usedher better.

Donnie (34:22):
do, too.
You know, and Andy notices her,and she notices him, so you know
there's gonna be a loveconnection.

CryBaby (34:28):
Yeah, baby.
And while all of this happens,we get back with Tyler.

Donnie (34:32):
Lil Tyler.

CryBaby (34:33):
Who is checking the mail room.
And this is, backstory.
I guess We get a little bit ofbackstory.
The reason Tyler is there isbecause his father is in the
military.
and this is like, he's beingbabysat?

Donnie (34:45):
Pretty much, that's what it sounds like.
Dad's, dad's too busy, so sendthe kid off.

CryBaby (34:49):
exactly.
Your dad's in the war.
and because he goes to themailroom to check for a letter
from his father.
And he doesn't get anything, butthe mailroom clerk is like,
Okay.
Bring this to Andy Barclay andit's a big box

Donnie (35:04):
A very obviously shaped box.
What could it possibly be?

CryBaby (35:09):
What could it be?

Donnie (35:10):
Tyler is taking this box to, to Andy and, uh, what
happens?
he is walking up the stairs andsomebody knocks it out of his
hands.

CryBaby (35:19):
Yeah,

Donnie (35:19):
And the box falls and it tears open.
And what does Tyler see in it?
But of course, a good guy doll,which makes him very excited.
And this adorable child turnsinto an adorable thief.

CryBaby (35:31):
hmm who commits a federal

Donnie (35:32):
That's right.
Stealing somebody else's mail.
That's

CryBaby (35:34):
And this is one part that I do like, when he unwraps
them because he runs off to somelittle, not a secret room, but
just like a storage room orsomething

Donnie (35:45):
that.

CryBaby (35:46):
without missing a beat, Chucky bursts through the box,
looks at Tyler, and he's like,who the fuck are you?

Donnie (35:51):
And it's a good scare too.

CryBaby (35:52):
hilarious?
And this is when Chucky realizesthat he can put himself in a
body That's not Andy's.

Donnie (35:59):
Right.
Chucky has that moment.
Yeah.
He's with his little doll hands.

CryBaby (36:03):
I'm pretty sure he literally does that.
I think he does, like thevillain chin stroke.
Yep,

Donnie (36:08):
So he realizes he has a new child to take advantage of.

CryBaby (36:11):
And so he goes up, he's like, I'm Chucky, but you can
call me Charles Lee

Donnie (36:15):
Ray.
Give him the full three names.

CryBaby (36:18):
So he came out to this kid, and now he can put himself
in the kid's body.

Donnie (36:24):
like, say that very carefully.
I,

CryBaby (36:26):
yes, that was not the best phrasing.
And we get our first attempt atade due

Donnie (36:33):
our first attempt, of course, And what happens that he
is, uh, interrupted.

CryBaby (36:37):
just Corcoran comes in

Donnie (36:39):
right, right.

CryBaby (36:39):
and it's like, to do some military thing and he sees
Tyler playing with a doll, whichof course sets him off, because
he's like, boys don't

Donnie (36:47):
dolls.
Yes, yes, bad, bad.

CryBaby (36:49):
And while this is happening, we have like shooting
practice happening with likeAndy.
and we get this very ghost,unchained melody

Donnie (36:58):
It kind of is.

CryBaby (36:59):
Yeah, DeSilva comes in and helps Andy with his

Donnie (37:02):
in and helps Andy with shooting.
Puts her arms around him whilehe's holding the gun and, you
know, usually we see this theother way around with the man
holding the woman and showingher how to do something.
So this is a little fun to haveit reversed.

(37:23):
she teaches him, you know, tokeep both eyes open and just
squeeze the trigger, not pullit.
And it gives him a little rifleshooting lesson.

CryBaby (37:30):
Yep.
Yep.
yep, yep, And it's very, um,flirtatious and the entire time,
like her lips are right upagainst his neck.
like this and He obviouslymisses the shot and she's like,
you're not concentrating.

Donnie (37:45):
She's it on purpose.

CryBaby (37:47):
It's like, well, I think so.
He's a teenage

Donnie (37:50):
Right.

CryBaby (37:51):
He's operating at full mast right now.
There's nothing else he'sfocusing on.

Donnie (37:55):
yeah, yeah, it's the whole, uh, is my rifle, this is
my

CryBaby (37:59):
Oh God.
Oh, that makes me want to vomit.
It is this movie's pencil neckis the one that fucking says
that.

Donnie (38:05):
that's him.
Ellis.
Mm-Hmm.

CryBaby (38:07):
Yeah, cause they're in their rifle twirling class

Donnie (38:10):
Rifle twirling.
I'm sure that's what it'scalled.

CryBaby (38:12):
A color guard, I don't know.
But, um, yeah, Andy is obviouslystruggling'cause he's never done
this before.
And fucking Sheldon and hispencil neck blonde ass bitch boy
come over to give Andy a hardtime.

Donnie (38:23):
And Andy refers to the rifle as a gun.
Because, I mean, it is, youknow.
And, uh, Pencil Neck is told totell Andy the difference between
a rifle and a gun.
And he says, this is my rifle,this is my gun, and he grabs
himself between the legs.
And he says, this one's forshooting, this one's for fun.
And it's just a moment of like,ew.

CryBaby (38:42):
very you Very you I'm pretty sure that's a ripoff of
dialogue from like Full metaljacket or something

Donnie (38:48):
I wouldn't be surprised.
There's a couple of couple ofrip offs in this movie.
But I have a feeling that's alsosomething they really say in the
military.
You know?

CryBaby (38:56):
I would not be surprised.
but while we're getting this,like, disgusting, display of
fragile masculinity, We get thisshot of Cochran cause Cochran,
takes Chucky from Tyler to throwhim away cause boys don't play
with dolls.

Donnie (39:11):
How gay.

CryBaby (39:12):
And so he's walking across the field with Chucky in
his hand, and Andy sees it.

Donnie (39:20):
Yes, Andy sees Chucky for the first time.
Mm hmm.
As you would expect fromsomebody who's had to fight a
killer doll twice in his life.

CryBaby (39:27):
Yes.
I do have to say though, Chucky.
Looks high as fuck here.
The The, blank good guy dollface?
he looks fucking stoned.
His eyes are like half closed.

Donnie (39:38):
his mouth is always a little

CryBaby (39:39):
uh huh.
I mean, but who knows?
Colonel Cochran is carrying himby his hair, So, I

Donnie (39:43):
maybe it feels good.
Yeah.

CryBaby (39:45):
Yeah, um, but of course Andy sees this and freaks the
fuck out.

Donnie (39:49):
he dumps directly

CryBaby (39:52):
Yeah, he dumps him directly into the dumpster.
And this is a sequence that is,uh, that has stayed with me for
a bit.

Donnie (39:59):
One of the ones that you remember from when you were a
kid?

CryBaby (40:02):
yeah, like with the garbage truck driver.

Donnie (40:04):
Yeah, it's, it's almost sad, you know?
So, Chucky ends up in the backof the garbage truck, and, you
know, the driver is, you know,does the thing where, I don't
know, I don't know much aboutgarbage trucks, but it's all
starting to get squished, youknow, and Chucky is screaming
his little head off, screamingfor help, and the garbage truck
driver hears him and so, youknow, shuts everything down and

(40:26):
is Panic stricken that there'ssomebody in the back of this
truck.
So he is yelling that he's gonnahelp him and he jumps back there
himself and of course it doesn'twork out well for him.
And I felt a pang, you know, Ireally felt bad for this guy
because he was, he's just aninnocent bystander in Chucky's,
count.

CryBaby (40:41):
Yeah.
if I were to, like rankcharacters that did not deserve
to die, he would definitely behigh up on this list.
And like, again, kudos to BradDourif because his vocal
performance is so good And theway he's screaming, from the
back of this garbage truck,like, it's very compelling.

Donnie (41:01):
Yeah.
It, it sounds like there's realfear in his voice, and I think
Chucky is really afraid of, of,you know, of dying,

CryBaby (41:07):
honestly, probably.
yeah, He ends up crushing thegarbage man in the back of his

Donnie (41:13):
Mm-Hmm.
....And the garbage man's arm islike out and it gets, you know,
squished between the, door andthe metal side of the truck.
And there's more of that kind ofgooey looking blood.

CryBaby (41:23):
Yeah.
Just like the very red, gooey,And, yeah, everybody that's out
there twirling their rifleshears the scream and.
they find the body.
And I think this is when Andy isjust like, fuck.

Donnie (41:39):
Sorry, buddy.
And now there's guns.
How exciting.

CryBaby (41:43):
so it's like later on in that night, Andy and
Whitehurst are in their room andwe see Whitehurst shining
Sheldon's shoes.

Donnie (41:52):
Yes.
again, Sheldon's a bully.
Sheldon's a bully.
And it's a little, I think,homoerotic,

CryBaby (41:59):
I guess

Donnie (42:00):
You know, it's a little, it's a little dumb sub for me.

CryBaby (42:03):
I can see that for sure.
I didn't even think about thatuntil you mentioned it.

Donnie (42:07):
that until you mentioned I don't disagree.
And actually, now that

CryBaby (42:15):
I don't disagree.
And actually, now that youmentioned that I did write down,
and again, you know, if this isproblematic, let me know.
I wrote down is Whitehurst gay

Donnie (42:23):
I think Whitehurst

CryBaby (42:24):
Whitehurst might be queer.

Donnie (42:26):
Can definitely see that.
I mean, you know, the fact thathe's kind of the one that gets
picked on.
mean, I wouldn't be surprised ifpart of that was because he was
being read as gay and all thebullies zeroed in on that.

CryBaby (42:37):
Yeah, there must have been something, because I wish I
wrote down more, but yeah, theremust have been something about
this scene and maybe it is thatdom sub vibe that you got from
this moment, but it, it read tome as, like, a

Donnie (42:52):
Yeah, yeah, you

CryBaby (42:52):
little unperceived.

Donnie (42:53):
down,

CryBaby (42:53):
Yeah, and while this is happening, we see that Chucky is
hiding in the trunk,

Donnie (42:57):
trunk, yes.
Not in

CryBaby (42:58):
like the trunk of a car, in the blue

Donnie (43:00):
blue trunk, trunk I used to have exactly that trunk that
I found in a thrift storesomewhere and used to keep
costumes in, not killer dolls,but that would have

CryBaby (43:12):
guess costumes are like, more fun.

Donnie (43:15):
use them a little longer,

CryBaby (43:16):
of fun.

Donnie (43:17):
yeah.
And isn't, there's someforeshadowing here that happens
with a pocket knife.

CryBaby (43:21):
there is, so Andy's like playing with a pocket knife
and he like sets it on his deskand he's unpacking all of his
stuff.
we do get a photo of him andMama Karen.

Donnie (43:31):
see Mama Karen.

CryBaby (43:32):
I miss her so much.

Donnie (43:34):
yeah.

CryBaby (43:34):
I miss her so much.
And Andy does too, obviously.
But yeah, he's playing with thepocket knife.
he sets it down and I guessChucky grabs the pocket knife
and hides under the bed.

Donnie (43:44):
Oh yeah, it's that, we've talked about this before,
the slicing of the ankles, it'syour favorite.

CryBaby (43:51):
Yeah, it's a big ick of mine.
Um, for those of you who havebeen listening.
I, That just makes me veryuncomfortable.
My question with this is, itlooks like Chucky slices him.
Um, But, it doesn't seem likeAndy responds in a way that he
got sliced.
Especially if it was theAchilles

Donnie (44:12):
tendon.
Oh, he would be down and out,you know.
You're right, because hedefinitely gets them.
He definitely makes a slicingmotion and gets Andy, but I
don't know, maybe it's more of astab, or it's not deep enough or
something, I mean, Andy reactsto it,

CryBaby (44:27):
Maybe it was the shoe?

Donnie (44:29):
I don't know, I don't know,

CryBaby (44:30):
Yeah, cause I'm like, if that knife went into Andy, he
wouldn't be able to walk for therest of the

Donnie (44:34):
Right, he'd be out.

CryBaby (44:35):
Like, with where it looked like it went, yeah, he'd
be fucking gone.
It would be like Judd in Pet

Donnie (44:39):
Sematary.

CryBaby (44:42):
If anybody here hasn't seen Pet Sematary, Uh, yeah, It
happens.
Achilles tendon slicing.
It's very uncomfortable.
it's, it's a big ache, but yeah,Chucky does it and that's, uh,
his tack, his attack.
And Andy falls backwards andChucky spots a playboy in his,
uh, fucking suitcase.

(45:03):
Oh, was it a

Donnie (45:04):
playpen?
which I think is a combinationof a playboy and a penthouse.
You know, I don't know that aplaypen was a real thing.
But a playpen, yes.
You know, when you had to getyour porn from a magazine.

CryBaby (45:14):
yeah.
and again, it's just anindicator that Andy is older
because Chucky even says, Andy,how you've

Donnie (45:19):
are you growing?

CryBaby (45:21):
but then Chucky does this stupid thing where he
reveals his plan to Andy.
Mm

Donnie (45:29):
he has, I don't know if it's a good line or a bad line.
I can't decide.

CryBaby (45:35):
I don't like it?
I know exactly the

Donnie (45:36):
don't like it.
Tell me why you don't like it.

CryBaby (45:39):
you know how when you can tell that you have a group
of white people writing forblack characters?
It's very much that.
That's the vibe that I get fromthis line.
Mm hmm.

Donnie (45:49):
And Chucky says, Chucky's gonna be a bro.
And I think he even does thiswith his hand.
Chucky's gonna be a bro.

CryBaby (45:56):
I don't

Donnie (45:57):
I had to do a little rewind and be like, Did I just
hear what I thought I heard?
Yep.
That's what he said.
Okay.
And you're right, it's clearly abunch of white people writing,
you know?

CryBaby (46:06):
Mm hmm.
and Andy doesn't like it either,because he starts beating the
shit out of Chucky.

Donnie (46:11):
And of course,

CryBaby (46:11):
Mm hmm.

Donnie (46:12):
by fucking Shelton.
Sheldon?
Shelton?
I don't know if it's a D or a T.

CryBaby (46:17):
actually.

Donnie (46:18):
I

CryBaby (46:18):
I think, I think I wrote down both, too.
I have a D and I

Donnie (46:21):
down both, think, I have a D And

CryBaby (46:28):
And that in turn ends up scuffing up Sheldon's shoes.
That Whitehurst works so hardon.
Well, and then Sheldon's justlike, Alright, well, you're my
new, I think he even says, like,you're my new slave.
Or Something

Donnie (46:41):
He does.
I think I have a new slave orsomething like that.

CryBaby (46:44):
Yeah.
So, He ends up, taking Chucky.
And he said that he's going togive it to his little sister.
Because her birthday's coming

Donnie (46:52):
a raggedy doll at this point, but sure, give it to your
little sister.
Yeah, I

CryBaby (46:57):
I mean, if you want to

Donnie (46:58):
from

CryBaby (46:59):
people and give that to your loved ones, go

Donnie (47:02):
Sure.
it.
happens all the time.

CryBaby (47:03):
the time.

Donnie (47:04):
so Andy goes hunting for Chucky that night.
And, you know, he knows thathe's in Shelton's room.
so he sneaks in there and hecan't find the doll.
But, of course, while he's inthere, Shelton wakes up.

CryBaby (47:15):
Yeah, it's actually kind of funny how it happens
too, because Chucky sneaks up onAndy and scares him while he's
investigating, and Andy jumps,jumps, into bed with Sheldon.
It's so funny.
And Sheldon freaks the fuck

Donnie (47:30):
he makes everybody in the entire, I don't know,
platoon, class, one of thosewords, uh, go outside and march
in the rain even though it'sabout midnight.

CryBaby (47:39):
Yeah, they do the little Rain

Donnie (47:41):
Rain circles, that's a good way of putting it.
And it's

CryBaby (47:44):
Mm hmm.

Donnie (47:44):
for, from the second movie where.
Everybody gets punished becausenobody knows who, who took, what
is it who took the knife or whotook The

CryBaby (47:52):
It was the doll! He's just like, um, What'd you do
with the doll, Barkley?

Donnie (47:57):
Right, and when we're in the room we do, is this where we
see that the knife is missingfrom the wall?
pretty badass knife, It's like astraight up Rambo knife.
I used to have one just like it.

CryBaby (48:06):
Oh, did you?

Donnie (48:07):
and then I sliced a finger really really badly and
sold sold it not the finger.
I sold the knife.
I was like, no Not for me

CryBaby (48:15):
It's like, yeah, I just sold my finger.

Donnie (48:16):
Hey for the right price

CryBaby (48:18):
in this economy, If you had to get rid of one of your
fingers, which one would you getrid of?

Donnie (48:22):
Probably the ring finger on my left hand

CryBaby (48:25):
I was just thinking that same thing.
I'm not, using it.

Donnie (48:27):
it.
I'm right

CryBaby (48:28):
Yeah.
Mm

Donnie (48:29):
your thumb and your pinky, you know, ring fingers.
Not,

CryBaby (48:32):
hmm.

Donnie (48:32):
not that important.

CryBaby (48:33):
Yeah, and I'm also thinking, like, if I'm doing
makeup, that's the finger that Iuse the

Donnie (48:37):
that I

CryBaby (48:38):
All right, cool.
Final answer.

Donnie (48:39):
I'm not

CryBaby (48:41):
I don't even know how we got there.

Donnie (48:43):
was my fault because I used to have a Rambo knife.
that's

CryBaby (48:45):
that's right.
You had a Rambo knife.
Chucky has a Rambo knife.
so yeah, Chucky runs off to findTyler.
.While Shelton and his pencilneck blonde ass bitch boy are
making these people walk incircles.
he wants to play hide the soulwith Tyler.
But I guess Tyler knew that hewas

Donnie (49:00):
Yes.
Tyler left a little note for himon his bed that says something
about, come and find me, orsomething like that.
Like he wants to play hide andseek.
And Chucky is

CryBaby (49:08):
Mm hmm Oh god, Chucky is just done with it.
He's over it.
and so he goes to find Tyler andTyler ends up going into
Cochran's office.
And Chucky follows suit And thisis the first time I ever heard
the phrase

Donnie (49:24):
Is it really?

CryBaby (49:24):
Yes, and because of that, um, I associate the
phrase, Olly olly Oxenfree withchild's play.

Donnie (49:30):
Oh, that makes sense.

CryBaby (49:32):
Mm

Donnie (49:32):
play.
Olly Olly Oxenfree, really?

CryBaby (49:35):
Mm hmm.
Because I just immediatelythought, oh my god, Chuckie's
trying to find me.

Donnie (49:39):
I know what to text you at 3am now.

CryBaby (49:40):
Oh, perfect.
Some more late night Home Alone

Donnie (49:44):
more late night Home Alone movies.
You and

CryBaby (49:58):
You and I, I wrote that down too.
I fucking love it.
Get out of here you little sonof a bitch.
I just love how how quicklyChucky devolves into just like
saying such terrible things infront of children.

Donnie (50:11):
Yeah, he has no, no filter.

CryBaby (50:13):
It's so funny.
And while this is happening, wehave all of our military people
walking in circles in the

Donnie (50:19):
Yeah.

CryBaby (50:20):
And doing their stupid little punishment exercises.
this is where Andy tellsWhitehurst that Chucky is alive.
And then, while all of this ishappening, DeSilva and The other
one woman girl,

Donnie (50:35):
ever get.

CryBaby (50:36):
I don't think so, she's just a 90s redhead with a top
pony.

Donnie (50:41):
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
they break into Cochran's officeso that they can read Andy's
file.

CryBaby (50:46):
Yeah, they're doing investigative journalism because
DeSilva is interested in Andy,and I guess because of that, she
wants to break into his file?
It's

Donnie (50:55):
it also probably isn't legal, but you know, who's
keeping count?

CryBaby (50:58):
Uh, yeah.
Who cares?
this franchise is full ofviolations,

Donnie (51:02):
Yes, it really is.
If you can break into thecolonel's office and his filing
cabinet isn't locked, I mean,you just get what's coming to
you,

CryBaby (51:13):
yeah, she's lurking on Andy's file.
.And happens to be interruptedby a noise in the closet before
she reached the news articleabout the murderous doll.

Donnie (51:23):
She only sees that he was in foster

CryBaby (51:25):
in time.

Donnie (51:26):
and she says something like, oh, that explains it, or
something like that.
And then the noise in the closetturns out to be Tyler and
Chucky.
he's holding Chucky with him.

CryBaby (51:35):
of course, there's something about, like, adults
and, like, grown ass people wholose their shit when they see a
good guy doll.
They're like, Oh my God, this isso cute.
Oh my God, he's so fun.

Donnie (51:46):
Yeah, the girls get a little, a little girly over this
doll.
It was how people were withCabbage Patch dolls or Pound
Puppies.
You know, anything that wasreally, do you remember Pound
Puppies?

CryBaby (51:56):
No.

Donnie (51:57):
up because they were cute.

CryBaby (51:58):
puppy?

Donnie (51:59):
It was just a stuffed dog.
It was a stuffed animal that hada little, like, heart tattoo.
You know, just a little heart onits butt.
Like, on the side of its butt.
And they were ridiculouslypopular.
They had a Pound Kitty spin off.
And there was a TV show andprobably a cereal.
Because there was a cereal foranything those days.
but yeah, people would losetheir minds over these things.

(52:20):
And that's what these girls doover this good guy doll.
They think he's just so cute.
They think he's so cute thatthey put lipstick on him.

CryBaby (52:27):
Mmhmm.

Donnie (52:27):
putting Chucky in drag.

CryBaby (52:29):
do.
Tyler is not happy about it.

Donnie (52:31):
No, you're making him

CryBaby (52:32):
The entire time, he's just like, no, stop.
You're making him look like a

Donnie (52:36):
Yes, a wuss.
he says.
And then, the all fun and gamesare interrupted by the colonel
returning.
So, um, everybody runs out justin time.
They hear him coming, they leaveChucky, and they run out just in
time.
So when the colonel gets back tohis office, there's the good guy
doll that he's positive that hethrew away.
Except now he's wearinglipstick.

CryBaby (52:57):
And Chucky ends up jumping out with this big ass
Rambo knife.
And we get the static feralChucky Mm face.
yes.
we get a kill that I love Anidea, I love in theory.
I don't love it here.
And I think it's because of mythoughts about Corcoran's

(53:18):
casting.

Donnie (53:19):
how so?

CryBaby (53:20):
I would have enjoyed him, cause he dies from a heart
attack, everybody.
he gets scared to death, he hasa heart attack.
And Chucky's just like, yougotta be fucking kidding me.
which is kind of funny.
I would have enjoyed him.
The fact that Karkin had a heartattack, had he been cast as not
this soft grandpa feeling guy.

(53:42):
I would have thought that itwould have been so much more fun
and poetic if it was this, like,macho, manly man who, has just
like seen so much in war andblah blah blah blah blah and
nothing scares him and then heends up dying from a heart
attack because he's scared todeath from this killer

Donnie (53:58):
he's scared to death from this killer doll.
But, yeah, if it had been a moremasculine, bigger dude, then
it's somebody who, who's deathyou can root for, you know?

(54:21):
But, you're right, I like thedeath in theory.
The idea of somebody beingscared to death, that's fun.
but yeah, I have to agree withyou about the, the casting.
The casting is just not, not thebest for that.

CryBaby (54:33):
And also just, I do have to laugh at that line where
they're like, he did two toursin Nam and then he just drops
dead.
It doesn't make sense.
And I'm like, I mean, that'skind of how death works, right?
Like you do all this stuff.
And then

Donnie (54:44):
you die, like

CryBaby (54:45):
Like, it doesn't matter.
Like, you know, two TORs and NOMdoesn't mean you're immune to
having a heart

Donnie (54:51):
Right, and he didn't just drop dead, he had a heart
attack and died.

CryBaby (54:55):
Exactly.
And it's just so funny to methat, like, in a way, I guess
that is kind of um, a funnylittle wink about how this hyper
masculine perspective works.
Where it's just like, oh, youdid this thing that's so brave
and you died?

Donnie (55:13):
once.
Yeah, you're supposed to be tenfeet tall and bulletproof.
You're not supposed to die.

CryBaby (55:18):
Exactly.
So, I feel like that is kind ofa wink, but I don't know.

Donnie (55:25):
Which isn't particularly important is that the colonel
dropped Chucky in the garbagecan upside down.
And that just made me laugh.
Like, it's like a littlewastebasket.

CryBaby (55:35):
Oh, yeah, oh he does drop him into the garbage can
upside

Donnie (55:38):
then he disappears from the garbage can and jumps out
and scares him.
But for some reason, seeingChucky upside down in this
little wastebasket made me, mademe giggle.

CryBaby (55:46):
It is funny, especially knowing how big his head is.

Donnie (55:49):
Right?
Exactly.
And the waist basket is likehalf the

CryBaby (55:51):
then we all know how I feel about Chuckie

Donnie (55:53):
It's the little Chucky feet kicking.

CryBaby (55:55):
That's really funny.
I'll, I'll I'll cut that in

Donnie (55:57):
Okay.

CryBaby (55:59):
Yes.
Cause that has to be, lore.

Donnie (56:03):
right?
He has a line, I think, afterthe lipstick where he says, this
means war, which always remindsme of Bugs Bunny, Bugs Bunny or
Daffy Duck.
course you realize this meanswar.
They used to say it all thetime.
It's definitely where I know thephrase from.

CryBaby (56:16):
Yeah, I feel like that's one of those phrases that
just was everywhere in the 90s.
This means war.
If anybody did anything that wasmildly insulting to you,

Donnie (56:26):
This means war.

CryBaby (56:27):
this means war.
Yeah, that's another one ofthose lines that's just kind of
cheesy to me.

Donnie (56:31):
I, I wanna like all of them.
I really do.
The one liners don't do it forme, but his line's like, Oh, you
gotta be fucking kidding me,when, um, the colonel is dying
of a heart attack.
That's funny.
But it's also not really a oneliner, you know?
He's not trying to be funny inthat moment.
He's legitimately pissed offthat he didn't get to stab this
guy, you know?
Yeah.
So it's just the one liners thatdon't ring true to me for some

(56:54):
reason.
Agreed.

CryBaby (56:58):
Alright, so, we are in the next morning now, And they
are having breakfast to honor Ohwait, what's it called?

Donnie (57:05):
Reveille, that horn.
It's called Reveille.

CryBaby (57:09):
oh.
Pa pa da da pa pa pa.
Oh, is that how that'spronounced?

Donnie (57:16):
hope so.
Yeah, Reveille.
don't know these

CryBaby (57:20):
Either way, they're eating breakfast to honor their
dead dude.

Donnie (57:22):
That's right.
that's right.

CryBaby (57:24):
And, fuckin Buzz McGee.

Donnie (57:26):
McGee.

CryBaby (57:26):
What's his name?
Botnik.
This is very cruisy.
I I totally understand yourthoughts of him being gay.

Donnie (57:36):
yeah, he's, he's just maneuvering his way through the
cafeteria going up to differentall, all male characters and
basically grabbing their hairand yanking it back and saying
something about, you know, yourhair is getting too long or
getting too shaggy.
I need you to come see me onTuesday.
And then the next guy, he goesover and he pulls his hair back
and Fabrizio, which isinteresting because he doesn't

(57:57):
look Italian at all.
And he says, I'll see you onThursday, you know, so each guy.
He's, he's, you know, pullingtheir hair and there's
definitely like, okay, buddy.
Um, and then he ends up at, at,uh, whose hair is a little
shaggy.
He says, come see me right afterlunch.

CryBaby (58:12):
again, like, his heightened manic performance I
really enjoy.
and I do see that, like, cruisyfeeling.
It really does feel like he hassome sort of hair fetish.

Donnie (58:23):
Yes, it really does.
There's definitely somethinggoing on for him with hair.

CryBaby (58:28):
He loves his job

Donnie (58:29):
Yes

CryBaby (58:30):
much.

Donnie (58:31):
And so Andy wants to go talk to Tyler, uh, and gets up
with his tray to go do that.
And we don't really see who doesit, but somebody trips him and
his food goes everywhere.
and he's also told that youcan't just get up in the middle
of a mess.
And he goes and he finds Tyleranyway, and I thought this was
weird because nobody stops him.
It's like very clear what he'sdoing.
You can't miss it.
But all of the, um, superiorsmust be so engrossed in their

(58:55):
delicious meal that they're justletting this one slide.
So, Andy starts telling Tylerthat he's gotta be careful for
Chuck about Chucky becauseChucky's actually a bad guy.
And Tyler's like, no, he's agood guy.
Like, that's literally whatthey're called.

CryBaby (59:09):
I think it's so funny.
And again, this is one of thosemoments where I'm like, Tyler is
too old to be acting this dumb.

Donnie (59:14):
Yeah.
Yeah, it would be moreappropriate behavior for like a
six year old.
But that kid's gotta be eight ornine.

CryBaby (59:20):
But yeah, he doesn't want to believe Andy Tyler says
something like you're justjealous because he's my best
friend now, or something

Donnie (59:27):
like that.
Right, right.
And then Andy does what you doto children in danger, you give
them a weapon.
So he gives that pocket knifeto, uh, to the little boy.
Here, take this.
you

CryBaby (59:38):
in danger.
Yeah.

Donnie (59:39):
this will be good for you with it for a little bit.
That's right.

CryBaby (59:42):
and then we cut to, Botnik.
He is giving Whitehurst hishaircut, while simultaneously
degrading him.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Donnie (59:49):
Yes, very true.

CryBaby (59:50):
Again, fetish.
and then he has like his, I feellike this is his one liner, his
one liner, Presto.
you're bald,

Donnie (01:00:00):
he says to everyone, even though he's not shaving
them bald.
Presto, you're bald.

CryBaby (01:00:04):
yeah, he gives Andy like a high top or something.
Not like a high top, But likethere's ample amounts of

Donnie (01:00:08):
Plenty of hair, but he still says, Presto, you're bald.

CryBaby (01:00:11):
to each their

Donnie (01:00:12):
he thinks he must think he's funny.
Mm hmm.

CryBaby (01:00:15):
oh my god, I can't believe I wrote this down.
Okay, so here's the thing.
I love a slutty mustache.
And I do like Andrew Robinson.
I think he is a talented actor.
Also just mind you, I waswatching this at like midnight
last night, so I was very tired.
I wrote down, and I quote, I'dtotally sleep with him.
Transcribed He could shave myback while we get down.

Donnie (01:00:35):
That's amazing.
Thank you for sharing that withus.
We all really needed to knowthat.

CryBaby (01:00:39):
Listen, I mean, it's kind of two birds with one
stone.
Like, I don't like shaving myown back.
It's annoying.
I used to, you're gonna learn alot about me.
my mom used to shave my back forme.

Donnie (01:00:50):
really?

CryBaby (01:00:52):
Yeah, When I was in like my early twenties and
living at home, back?

Donnie (01:00:55):
Hey, you know, what are parents for?

CryBaby (01:00:58):
Yeah.
but now I'm shaving my own backbecause I'm a strong independent

Donnie (01:01:02):
That's right.
Congratulations.

CryBaby (01:01:04):
But being the opportunist that I am.
um, I am attracted to Botnik.
I love the mustache.
And he likes shaving, so hewould certainly enjoy shaving

Donnie (01:01:14):
I think like you said, two birds, one stone.

CryBaby (01:01:16):
Yeah.
So, I forgot that note was

Donnie (01:01:18):
That's hysterical.
Yeah, and he has that momentwhere he is trimming, you know,
it looks like he's maybetrimming his mustache or nose
hairs or something, and we getthat, you know, that concern
that something's gonna happenand then the scissors are gonna
go up there, like, Chucky'sgonna jump out and get him or
something, but no, no, just afake out.

CryBaby (01:01:36):
I love a good fake out.
Because Chucky is currently inhis supply

Donnie (01:01:39):
a good fake out.
Because Chucky's currently incupboard.

CryBaby (01:02:00):
He immediately goes into role play with this doll.

Donnie (01:02:03):
Yep, and he puts Chucky in his little barber chair and
pulls out his clippers.
We have this fun moment wherethe clippers just keep getting
closer and closer and closer toChucky.

CryBaby (01:02:13):
very, very stressful.
And then Chucky ends upgrabbing.
A razor from the side of thechair.

Donnie (01:02:18):
razor that's tied to the side of the chair, say, you
know, another safety

CryBaby (01:02:22):
hmm.
Something tells me that Botnikdoesn't care much about

Donnie (01:02:25):
Yeah, I would agree with you on that one.

CryBaby (01:02:27):
Yeah.
but then Chucky's just like, uhuh uh, I'm not getting my
haircut today.

Donnie (01:02:30):
uh, I'm not

CryBaby (01:02:34):
Yeah.
I'm kinda sad

Donnie (01:02:36):
Yeah.
Yeah, I

CryBaby (01:02:39):
Yeah, I just, also, like, he's, Say what you want, I
do feel like Botnik is like,this movie's most interesting
character.
And so I'm just sad that he hadto go so soon.

Donnie (01:02:51):
so soon.

CryBaby (01:02:53):
He does, yeah.
He takes up a lot of screen

Donnie (01:02:55):
up a lot

CryBaby (01:02:57):
um, decides to, um, co opt Botnik's phrase,
catchphrase.
And he says, Presto, you're

Donnie (01:03:09):
Mm hmm.

CryBaby (01:03:10):
Which is kind of satisfying.
That's one of the few one linerswhere I'm like, okay,

Donnie (01:03:13):
you let that one slide

CryBaby (01:03:15):
I'd let that one slide.
Yeah, cause that's not Chuckytrying to be all one linery,
That's Chucky like I don't know,salting an open wound.
He's like, you have this stupidcatchphrase and I'm gonna throw
it back at you.

Donnie (01:03:25):
it

CryBaby (01:03:26):
Yeah, Presto, you're dead.

Donnie (01:03:27):
And then Whitehurst returns, I'm not sure why, and
he sees Chucky there, and Chuckylooks at him and says, Boo.

CryBaby (01:03:35):
And it's actually it's quite funny, the way he says
boo.
And let's see if I can get thebody language right.
Cause he's standing all weirdlike a doll and he's like like.
the way his whole body, he'slike, it's It's weird.
It's fun though.
It is cute.

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It is

Donnie (01:03:57):
It's a it's a cute but boo for a killer doll.

CryBaby (01:04:01):
Whitehurst doesn't think it's cute though,'cause he
runs the fuck out.

Donnie (01:04:05):
And now He knows it's true.

CryBaby (01:04:06):
He knows it's true and he also bitches out though, like
wouldn't you you saw a dead bodygirl like you saw somebody dead
in a chair

Donnie (01:04:14):
right?

CryBaby (01:04:15):
and You're just gonna go Line up with the rest of your
like classmates in the yard andnot say anything.
You're not gonna alert anyone.
Yeah, he just goes on about hisday.
And everyone's like, Whitehurst,what's going on?
Like, why are you so upset?
He's like, I don't want to talkabout it.
Don't know a little ah,

Donnie (01:04:32):
he's like, I don't want to talk about it.
blah.
blah, blah.

CryBaby (01:04:46):
Not at all.
I mean, it's capture the flag.
With like,

Donnie (01:04:50):
Mhm.
War games.

CryBaby (01:04:52):
War games.
And everyone's divided into twoteams.
We have a red team and a blueteam.
and Tyler, our little littlecutie Tyler is on the red team.
And then everybody else we know

Donnie (01:05:05):
team.
Yes.
Every single other person thatwe've been introduced to is on
the Blue Team.

CryBaby (01:05:09):
Mhmm.

Donnie (01:05:10):
is watching all of this unfold, uh, from the Armory.
And what does he do in theArmory?
He takes all of the red gunsthat are loaded with red
paintballs and loads them withactual live rounds,

CryBaby (01:05:22):
which again, I'm not a gunsman, but is that possible?
I don't know.
I kind of don't care I like thisfantasy

Donnie (01:05:29):
this fantasy

CryBaby (01:05:30):
I mean, here's the thing.
a paintball gun and a gun gunare two completely different
like Everything I think so.
I don't think it's physicallypossible to replace a paintball
with a live bullet, but I don'tcare.

Donnie (01:05:44):
Yeah.
It doesn't matter.
Suspension of disbelief.

CryBaby (01:05:47):
yeah, it's a fucked up thing.
It's a fucked up concept Andthat's why I like it.

Donnie (01:05:53):
it's good.
Yeah.

CryBaby (01:05:54):
Yeah, like Chucky, good on you for being so evil.

Donnie (01:05:59):
Yes.
'cause these are kids, you know.
You just loaded live ammunition.

CryBaby (01:06:03):
delinquents.

Donnie (01:06:04):
different.
That counts less.

CryBaby (01:06:07):
It counts less, yeah.
It's two for one at that point.

Donnie (01:06:11):
And then Andy guesses that Whitehurst saw Chucky,
based on Whitehurst's weirdbehavior.
He just pulls it out of the airthat, well, obviously you saw a
killer doll.
And Whitehurst is still denying

CryBaby (01:06:22):
Yeah, I mean, how many times has Andy seen people
realize that this actually is akiller doll?
I think he can clock whensomeone's like shook from that.

Donnie (01:06:32):
know what you've seen.

CryBaby (01:06:33):
He's like, I've seen that look in your eyes and many
other people.
But yeah, White Hair still ain'tsaying shit.

Donnie (01:06:39):
are, you know, split into their two camps.
The red camp and the blue camp.
And we see them marching along,singing.
Military songs, or militarychants, or whatever they're
called.
It's not show tunes.

CryBaby (01:06:51):
it's not.

Donnie (01:06:52):
not.
And the blue team goes in onedirection, and the red team goes
in the other direction.
know, the, we know that the redteam has live ammunition in
their guns.
And so now we're left wonderingwhat's gonna happen.

CryBaby (01:07:03):
And this is when I started falling asleep.
I'm not even lying, actually.
we cut to, it's night time now,and we're at the, uh, blue
team's camp, and they're tellingscary stories by the campfire.
and De Silva being the strong,brave femme fatale of this group
is leading the horror storieswith Some stepfather dragging

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himself on the floor with his

Donnie (01:07:28):
on the floor with his But she

CryBaby (01:07:34):
but she was telling it with like the, the presence and
ego of like the older sister ather like little brother's
sleepover.
Like, that's the vibe that I got

Donnie (01:07:43):
the vibe that I get from her.

CryBaby (01:07:48):
Ooh.

Donnie (01:07:50):
yeah, Andy gets up from this campfire And Da Silva
follows him.
And they have this little momentin the woods where she tells him
her first name, which I believeis Kristen.
And he tells her that his nameis Andy.
And, um, they walk to kind oflike the side of a hill and we
see in the distance a carnival,looks like maybe a traveling

(01:08:11):
carnival with big rides and lotsof lights and spinning things
and stuff.
And they have a moment whereAndy says something like, it's
hard to imagine that places likethat exist where people just go
to have fun.
And then of course, um, theykiss.
It's a very, yeah, it's a veryoverdramatic, they both turn
their heads so the camera cansee them, but it's like, Like,
this weird open mouth, like,young people kiss, it's not,

(01:08:34):
it's not very pretty to look at.

CryBaby (01:08:37):
all the while, it's so funny cause Chucky's lurking and
watching, he's spying Somethingabout watching two teenagers
make out makes Chucky say, Ireally gotta get out of this
body.

Donnie (01:08:50):
He does say that.

CryBaby (01:08:52):
I'm like, was he horny?
Like, does he want the touch ofa woman again?
Is that what that was all about?

Donnie (01:09:00):
think Chucky's, I think he's a little jealous.
You know, watching two teenagersmake out, you'd think he'd say
something like, Ew.
But for him, no, it triggersjealousy.

CryBaby (01:09:09):
he wants to, fuck.

Donnie (01:09:10):
he does.

CryBaby (01:09:12):
And I don't think at this point it's canon that he's
anatomically

Donnie (01:09:15):
It is not.
We assume that he isn't.
Because he's a doll.

CryBaby (01:09:19):
He's a

Donnie (01:09:20):
He's a doll baby.

CryBaby (01:09:21):
so, after this hot makeout,

Donnie (01:09:23):
Well, it just turns, it just so happens that Andy has
swiped the reconnaissance map.
Now, if I recall correctly, wedon't see this happen.

CryBaby (01:09:32):
No.

Donnie (01:09:33):
into Cadet Lieutenant Colonel's tent and steals a map,
which seems like a prettyimportant visual for us to have,
but we don't get it.
We just get a, hey, I stole thismap.
and so he's got to go find the,where the red team is because
that's where Tyler is.
he wants to go rescue Tyler.
So off he runs.
Off he runs to go see if he canfind Tyler using the map.

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the next scene is everybodyrealizing that someone stole the
reconnaissance map.
and then they discover thatWhitehurst is in his tent alone
and they decide that Andy hasgone AWOL.
He must be working for the redteam.

CryBaby (01:10:06):
they jumped to that conclusion with absolutely zero
evidence.

Donnie (01:10:11):
It's because that's where their brains are.
Their brains are on militarymode, you know?
Why else would somebody runaway?
Must be working for the other

CryBaby (01:10:18):
That's true.
And they already view Andy assome sort of like sniveling
bitch boy.
Okay?
Yeah, so like, Sheldon andPencil neck blonde Atropis boy,
they tell everybody to pack itup, and they're gonna go now
because they think that the redteam expects them

Donnie (01:10:35):
They want to do it, they were supposed to leave in the
morning but they're going to doit at night while, while they
still have a chance of not beingfound

CryBaby (01:10:42):
Yes, exactly.
So they end up splitting up theblue team.
Da Silva is leading one half,And then Sheldon is leading the
other.

Donnie (01:10:53):
is leading other.
Yes.
Yeah, that's Tyler's starting tofigure out that Chucky's not a
good guy.
Chucky says the word fuck andTyler says, watch your language.

CryBaby (01:11:12):
Again.
Too old.
Too old for that talk.

Donnie (01:11:18):
that nonsense.
He's, at this point, he's sayingfuck too.

CryBaby (01:11:21):
but then he realizes exactly how dangerous Chucky is.
And that pocket knife that Andygave him, Uh, gets put to good
use.
And he stabs

Donnie (01:11:32):
put to good use.
he?
stabs Chucky.
yeah, so Tyler manages to usethat little pocket knife and
stab Chucky, who of course isbleeding.
and he, he runs away.
and then we see, they've all gotthese big walkie talkies that

(01:11:55):
are like the size of small cars.

CryBaby (01:11:57):
Huge.

Donnie (01:11:58):
walkie talkies that probably weigh a ton, you know?
we're watching De Silva asshe's, she's walking around and,
uh, Chucky must jump out of atree or something because he,
like, lands on her back.
And, you know, does, they do,again, the thing where it's
like, Ah, I'm fighting aninanimate object, which I just
love so much.

CryBaby (01:12:15):
So funny, and all the while the blue team hears De
Silva screaming over the walkietalkie.

Donnie (01:12:21):
Chucky gets on the radio.
And calls the blue team andtells them to come up to the old
jeep.
And, you know, the blue teamknows that they, Chucky has
DeSilva.
But then he calls the red teamand for some reason the red team
never says, Who is this?
He tells them to come up to theold jeep and they say, Okay, so
now everybody's on the

CryBaby (01:12:40):
Mm hmm.
Yep, yep, Yep, yep, And the blueteam is coming to collect a
hostage and the red team iscoming to raise

Donnie (01:12:49):
That's right.

CryBaby (01:12:50):
yeah, this is, Like your classic, war standoff trade
off or whatever.
Chucky wants to trade to Silvafor Tyler.
And they do.
And Sheldon realizes once thattrade is done that Chucky is
alive.
He sees this doll moving, andthe moment he realizes that
Chucky is alive, boom, He getsshot through the

Donnie (01:13:12):
shot through the chest and, this is not a Chucky death.
This is a red team shooting, uh,the blue team death, but it's
still so satisfying.

CryBaby (01:13:21):
It is, I, so, I, originally this scene was going
to have a lot more bloodshed.
because it makes sense that thatwould happen, right?
Like, you have this entire redteam ambushing the blue team,
thinking that they have paintballs and it's actual
ammunition.
So you would expect a lot morepeople to get shot in the war
games.

(01:13:41):
I'm happy that it didn't happenthough.
Of course, because, especiallynow, like the, the, notion of
gun violence on teenagers is alot, it's just a lot.
but simultaneously, I do find itfascinating that.
Obviously, the guns will make acompletely different sound
shooting live rounds.
You can hear the ricochets, youcan hear, like, the gunshots,

(01:14:02):
They sound so different, and yetthe red team still keeps
shooting.
Until their Person realizes likesomething's

Donnie (01:14:09):
hmm.
Yeah, because they're followingorders, you know, so they're
just shooting away.
And then somebody realizes, waita second, they're using live
rounds.
And, um, it, it stops.
And, Chucky has also, he'spulled a pin on a grenade.
I think, I think he might do itbefore he gets Tyler.

CryBaby (01:14:26):
I think so, because he's kind of holding it as,
like, this, um, threat, if youwould, of, like, You're gonna do
what I say,

Donnie (01:14:34):
you know, Andy has shown up, and what do you call him,
the bleach blonde bitch boy,Ellis.

CryBaby (01:14:40):
Yeah, Alice.
the blonde bitch boy.
Yeah.

Donnie (01:14:43):
He thinks that, um, Andy had something to do with this,
so he's attacking Andy and yeah.
You know, why, why would Andyhave anything to do with this?
So, in this chaos, uh, Chuckythrows the grenade over at where
everybody is standing and theonly person who sees this is
Whitehurst.
instead of yelling overeverybody and trying to notify

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people that there's a grenade.
Whitehurst decides to make theultimate sacrifice.
And runs over and leaps on topof this grenade.
And then of course as he'slaying there the grenade blows
up and his body kind of flies upinto the air and the next shot
we see is him dead on the groundwith his glasses askew and like
a little crack and some blood onthem.
and it turns out that the nerdsaved everybody's

CryBaby (01:15:23):
which in itself feels tropey.

Donnie (01:15:25):
It is tropey.
It's tremendously tropey, andit's a shame that that character
doesn't get to live.

CryBaby (01:15:30):
it's it's a great redemption because we are being
sold this image of him being socoward like and not able to
speak up or willing to admitreality or anything like that.
And then he does end up saving alot of people But yeah, it is
very much a shame that he didn'tget to stick

Donnie (01:15:48):
Yeah, you know, it turns out that he's a hero, but mean,
he's, he's a dead hero, dead

CryBaby (01:15:52):
dead hero.
And while all of this kerfuffleis happening, Tyler slips away.
and Chucky slips away.
and we find ourselves at thatcarnival.

Donnie (01:16:04):
at that carnival.
I think, uh, one of them is acameo from, I think,

CryBaby (01:16:17):
I think, uh, one of them Is a cameo from, I think,
the

Donnie (01:16:22):
I think

CryBaby (01:16:24):
I think so.
I know there's a cameo.
It's like a family of three withcotton candy and whatnot
crossing the

Donnie (01:16:30):
They do show that, uh huh.

CryBaby (01:16:32):
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, lots of cameras.
This is a, like it's basicallyfriends and family day on set
It's like hey, you got childrenin your life?
Bring them to

Donnie (01:16:41):
today.
Bring them to the set.
Bring them to the horror movieset.
Tyler gets to the carnival andsees a security guard telling
these troublesome children tokeep the music down.
It's a guy with a boombox on hisshoulder, very, very old school.
And, uh, he sees this figure ofauthority, so he runs into the
security tent to tell this manthat his friend Charles is after

(01:17:03):
him.
And the security guard isactually a pretty nice guy who's
listening to the kid and like,Obviously wants to help him.
and he does so by saying, I knowwhat'll cheer you up, look what
I found.
And what does he pull out?
But, Chucky.

CryBaby (01:17:16):
Fucking good DI doll.
Again, Chucky and his little asslegs beats a child to their
destination.
I don't know how he does it.

Donnie (01:17:25):
He runs super fast.
He runs so fast nobody can seehim.
Yeah.
Nobody

CryBaby (01:17:29):
It's, It's, it

Donnie (01:17:30):
He

CryBaby (01:17:31):
Heidi ho.
ho.
ho.

Donnie (01:17:33):
Actually,

CryBaby (01:17:34):
That's actually because Chucky is a killer that you can
play on this game.
Have you heard of Dead byDaylight?

Donnie (01:17:39):
So it's

CryBaby (01:17:43):
So it's an asymmetric horror video game where you have
five players, four people playas a survivor one person plays
as a killer.
You know, the survivors have tosurvive, the killer has to kill.
And they will occasionally getlicensing.
for like horror movie killersFor the game and Chucky's one of
them.
And when you play as Chucky, oneof his, like abilities is that

(01:18:06):
he, you can't see him.
Yeah,

Donnie (01:18:08):
That makes sense.
It's

CryBaby (01:18:10):
yeah, yeah.
It's actually quite terrifyingto play against him.

Donnie (01:18:12):
That's spooky.

CryBaby (01:18:13):
but yeah, he gets to this carnival and We immediately
cut to Andy and Da Silva, whoare now en route, you know, I
guess they just figured thatTyler and Chucky would have
found themselves at this

Donnie (01:18:25):
Where else you gonna go?

CryBaby (01:18:29):
that's fair.
And I mean the carnival is like,It's kind of a fun final set
piece.
I get what Don was going for.
He wanted something to likejuxtapose the strict, rigid vibe
of the first part of the movie.
it does feel kind of out ofnowhere.

Donnie (01:18:47):
Yeah, I mean, it's really interesting to go to the
carnival with all the brightlights and the sounds and the
music after having been at thisdrab military academy for so
long where everything is, youknow, very dark in color and,
and, it does feel a littleforced.
I agree with you on that.
but I like it.
For some reason I'm like, Itotally buy that there is a
carnival in the middle ofnowhere, with all these people

(01:19:09):
at it, no cars.
I'm, I'm willing to accept it.

CryBaby (01:19:12):
I will accept that But to Silva and Andy go into this
lost and found tent Where Tylerwas with this friendly security
guard and they find the securityguard dead

Donnie (01:19:22):
a little bullet hole

CryBaby (01:19:23):
the tiniest bullet

Donnie (01:19:24):
with a

CryBaby (01:19:24):
Just a little dribble of

Donnie (01:19:26):
It's teeny tiny because Chucky's got that little gun
that makes huge sounds.
Huge bullet sounds.

CryBaby (01:19:33):
The biggest of sounds.
Cause like, they end up goinginto um, This is, this is kind
of a fun set piece.
We are back in the world of OSHAviolations

Donnie (01:19:43):
yes

CryBaby (01:19:43):
This is not a safe ride.

Donnie (01:19:45):
Should not be, should

CryBaby (01:19:46):
Um, something about the final act.

Donnie (01:19:48):
Yeah.

CryBaby (01:19:48):
Yeah, the final act is always like a safety

Donnie (01:19:51):
The final act violates OSHA.
Every time.

CryBaby (01:19:53):
but it's pretty cool.
It's almost like a haunted houseroller coaster.

Donnie (01:19:56):
it's a haunted house, but you sit in a little car that
goes around a track.

CryBaby (01:20:01):
I would totally fucking ride this ride.

Donnie (01:20:04):
me too.
and it must be huge, becauseonce they're inside, this thing
is absolutely massive.

CryBaby (01:20:11):
So many nooks and crannies.

Donnie (01:20:13):
All the nooks has done that thing where he hijacks a
person.
so he's hijacked Tyler and makeshim run into the very foggy and
scary haunted house.
And, uh, Chucky has a gun, atthis point.
He's got that little gun.

CryBaby (01:20:29):
Which I think he got from the lost and found.

Donnie (01:20:32):
the security guard guy must have had it in the room or
something, in a drawer, becausewhen It the The drawer.
It was in the drawer.

CryBaby (01:20:41):
The drawer.
Well, it's funny cause he openedup the drawer to offer Tyler
some gum and there's like rubberbands in there.
There's like some toys and thenthere's a gun.

Donnie (01:20:50):
gun.

CryBaby (01:20:52):
There's a single gun in this lost and found.

Donnie (01:20:54):
gotta hold on to it just in case anybody comes back for
it.
Right next

CryBaby (01:20:57):
True.

Donnie (01:20:57):
rubber bands.
when De Silva and um, Andy findthe dead security guard, De
Silva takes his actual weaponoff of his hip.
It's a little six, well it'spretty big.
It's a six shooter.
Um, so now they have a gun aswell.

CryBaby (01:21:10):
Yes, we're all loaded up and ready

Donnie (01:21:11):
That's right.
And then, uh, De Silva and Andyfollow them into this haunted
house, which is, again,tremendously cool.
And they're hunting for Chucky,and as all of this is happening,
uh, Chucky opens fire and hitsDe Silva in her leg.

CryBaby (01:21:28):
Yeah.
and it's so funny cause to Silvais trying to shoot Chuckie back,
and she's supposedly like areally good shot.
Like she's really good withguns, and she keeps missing.
I think she fires like two orthree rounds and totally misses,
and then Chuckie one shot, rightto the knee.
She's done.

Donnie (01:21:47):
done.
Yeah, with his little dollhands.
I mean, who knows?
Maybe the Lakeshore Stranglerwas also a skilled marksman.

CryBaby (01:21:52):
Who knows?
But, this is basically, I liketo think of this as the Gale
Weathers treatment, where it'slike at the beginning of the
third act, the supportingcharacter gets shot and just
like, sidelined for the rest ofthe uh, the rest of the movie.
She's out of

Donnie (01:22:09):
Yep.
They need to do something withher to get her away, so, you
know, we'll just shoot her and,and, and, you know, they tie a
tourniquet on her leg, which isvery bad for you by the way.
yeah, yeah, a tourniquet can endup cutting off the blood flow to
the point that you end upneeding, like, the leg removed.
So, yeah, you shouldn't, unlessyou're ready to have the leg
removed, or you're going to die,it's not usually a good idea.

(01:22:30):
But I'm not a doctor, so, I'mjust a retired EMT.
What do I know?

CryBaby (01:22:35):
Well, that's good to know.
I'll be sure not to, turn a kid.

Donnie (01:22:37):
try

CryBaby (01:22:38):
Unless absolutely have

Donnie (01:22:39):
you absolutely have to.
But they've put a tourniquet onher, and now she, you can kind
of forget about her.
You can just put her in the backof your mind, and you don't have
to really worry about what DeSilva's up to.

CryBaby (01:22:48):
Yeah.
Cause she has a reason to nolonger be there, but you know
that she's not dead.

Donnie (01:22:51):
know that she's not dead.
exactly.

CryBaby (01:22:53):
And so they go into the next portion of this haunted
house.
And this is where all of oursafety violations live.
So, first off, there's thisgiant Grim Reaper that has a
giant scythe that is on like asensor or a timer or something
And it swings down whenever acart comes by.

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As Tyler's trying to escape fromChucky, he falls into this,
like, hole in, the scenery in,like, one of these fake rocks.
His leg falls in and he getsstuck And Chucky catches up to
him, and this just so happens tobe underneath where the fuckin
scythe swings down.
And as a car goes by, the scytheswings down and Ooh, it's so

(01:23:34):
cool.
Half of Chucky's face getssliced the fuck

Donnie (01:23:37):
Yep, it's pretty cool.
This It's a pretty cool effect.
Yep, one side of his face justcompletely gets sliced off.

CryBaby (01:23:44):
I love it so

Donnie (01:23:45):
You can see that there's mechanics there.
You can see the mechanics of thedoll.
But it's also bloody becausehe's, you know, turning into a
real life, I don't know, I wantto say human, but something like
that.
So it's just this messy Gooey,deliciousness.

CryBaby (01:24:01):
Yeah, it's, good job on the designers for that.
It looks so sick.

Donnie (01:24:05):
it does look,

CryBaby (01:24:06):
Yeah, and when this happens Tyler is able to very
easily get his leg out of that

Donnie (01:24:10):
Yeah.

CryBaby (01:24:10):
sudden

Donnie (01:24:11):
And he climbs onto this flying piece.
I don't know if it's a bat orsomething, but it's this big
thing that's attached

CryBaby (01:24:17):
like a demon,

Donnie (01:24:18):
Yeah, it's something, something spooky.
And he manages to just swingonto it like it's a little horse
and it carries him up.
and he rides the thing and endsup on the top of this, like, is
that the skull mountain?
I called it skull mountain.
Cause it looks like a bunch ofskulls.

CryBaby (01:24:34):
Yeah, it does.
It also kind of reminds me of,um, do you remember the show
guts?
It was like an Obstacle course,on Nickelodeon.

Donnie (01:24:42):
remember that.

CryBaby (01:24:43):
And they had this mountain that you had to climb
that had like all theseexplosive elements and stuff.
It was called The

Donnie (01:24:49):
The crag, wow, yeah.
Okay, yeah, that is very similarto what it is.

CryBaby (01:24:53):
Cause this does have like steam elements and stuff,
and my favorite thing, we'vetalked about this before,
whenever we have Chucky likehitchhiking something, you
always see his little legskicking.
And he, as Tyler is riding thisdemon thing up.
Chucky is dangling from thebottom and his little feet are
kickin

Donnie (01:25:11):
That

CryBaby (01:25:12):
Mm hmm.

Donnie (01:25:12):
You know, as cute

CryBaby (01:25:13):
It is really cute.

Donnie (01:25:14):
And when he gets to the top, this struck me as amusing
because he gets up to the topand this, demon bat thing that
he's riding turns around likeswings a bit in a circle barely
touches him knocks him right outlike he just falls unconscious
just you know just like boop andout so now he's completely at
chucky's mercy

CryBaby (01:25:35):
And so Andy finds his way into this and he almost gets
hit by a cart and he goesunderneath the tracks and
everything, and this is when hesees a very large, human sized
fan.
Spinning so rapidly, uncovered.

(01:25:58):
It's just raw to the world.

Donnie (01:26:00):
probably probably the biggest OSHA violation, in this
movie.
But yeah, to me, it was like ahelicopter blade.
Which made me think of war,which made me, you know, kind of
goes with the movie it was likethis Vietnam flashback
helicopter blade, you know

CryBaby (01:26:14):
I can see that actually.
It is very reminiscent of ahelicopter braid.
Even the sound that it makes isvery, like, copter.
And it's like this fan's onlypurpose is to make it look like
there's fire.

Donnie (01:26:25):
up the fabric.

CryBaby (01:26:26):
it's like A sky dancer,

Donnie (01:26:27):
A sky dancer, Yeah,

CryBaby (01:26:28):
unnecessarily dangerous.

Donnie (01:26:31):
You know, we have to have an idea of

CryBaby (01:26:32):
Mm hmm, very much so.
There has, and it also, it doeskind of heighten the stakes a
bit more because it's likeanybody Could fall into

Donnie (01:26:39):
into it, Except for Da Silva because she's, she's gone.
And then we get, one of the bestparts of the movie, which is,
um, we finally get the chancethat we've all been waiting for.
And we get one of the longestversions of that chant that I
remember hearing.

CryBaby (01:26:54):
this is when you get to see that, um, a good chunk of
the incantation is in, likeFrench or Creole.
And we get the mashed potatoclouds!

Donnie (01:27:02):
clouds, you can tell special effects haven't made
that much of a jump between thelate 80s and the early 90s.
They're pretty much the samething.
Um, but I do love the mashedpotato clouds with the purple
lightning that goes throughthem.

CryBaby (01:27:14):
And so Andy is trying to climb this skull mountain to
get to them.
and he ends up falling down andtrying to climb back up and
falling down.
And then he realizes, Ooh, Ihave a gun.
we get the nice callback to our,uh, Unchained Melody moment with
him and Da Silva And he shootsoff

Donnie (01:27:34):
Yep.
Blows his arm.
right off at the shoulder.

CryBaby (01:27:36):
Chucky falls back And Andy is able to get to Tyler.
There's so many names.
Andy gets up to Tyler and, Wakeshim up, and when this happened,
Chucky Sneaks

Donnie (01:27:50):
Sneaks attack.
That's his favorite little,like, back onto his back thing.
And he makes the Chuck, the, thestagnant Chucky feral face you
have.
You do that so

CryBaby (01:28:00):
Yeah, It's wild.
Thank you It's, you know, It's,from all those years of gooning.
I know how to.

Donnie (01:28:06):
You know how to.
do it.
Mmm, that'll do it.

CryBaby (01:28:08):
What ends up happening though is Tyler falls off the
side of the mountain and isdangling simply from Andy's
grasp.
and he's about to potentiallyfall into this giant OSHA a big
old fan

Donnie (01:28:23):
big old fan the big old helicopter fan.
I believe, correct me if I'mwrong, he passes the tiny pocket
knife that we've seen severaltimes throughout the movie, he
passes it up to Andy, who isable to, think he cuts Chucky's
hand off.
Yeah, just, bloop, in a veryStar Wars moment.
And just cuts his hand off andthen, um, Chucky falls

CryBaby (01:28:44):
He like, chucks them off of him too.
Like, He cuts it and then just,boop!

Donnie (01:28:48):
Because now Chucky has no hands to hold on.

CryBaby (01:28:50):
Exactly, poor

Donnie (01:28:51):
He's lost, he lost the, that possibility.
So, yep, he gets tossed downinto the big spinning vortex of
death.

CryBaby (01:28:59):
Yeah, and we get this fun little slow motion shot of
Chucky falling, and it's sodainty cause he has no hands, so
his sleeves are like flappingpast his stumps,

Donnie (01:29:09):
and like his

CryBaby (01:29:09):
like, his hair is blowing in the wind.
It's kind of cute, I'm not gonnalie, It's so gross, but it's
also fun.
It's cute.
And Chucky hits the fan andimmediately explodes.
Like blows the fuck

Donnie (01:29:24):
Yeah, he hits the fan and just kind of goes instead of
really getting caught in thefan, you know?

CryBaby (01:29:30):
Yeah.
and there's even like explosionsound effects.

Donnie (01:29:34):
Very

CryBaby (01:29:35):
That's true.
Very, very warlike.
And then from here, similarly tochild's play 2, it very rapidly
wraps up.

Donnie (01:29:42):
does.
Um, Andy

CryBaby (01:29:44):
like DeSilva's in the

Donnie (01:29:46):
he pulls Tyler up and then we see De Silva getting
into an ambulance, being loadedinto an ambulance, and Andy gets
put in the backseat of a copcar.
And, um, I think he sayssomething to Silva, like she
says, Are you going to be okay?
And he says something like, I'vebeen here before.
And, gets put in the cop car.
Cop car drives away.
Movie ends.
That's it.
movie's over now.

(01:30:07):
Here are the credits.

CryBaby (01:30:08):
Yeah, you know what?
This I don't think endings are astrong point of the first three

Donnie (01:30:14):
hmm.

CryBaby (01:30:15):
Or, I would say maybe the second and the third one, at
least.
very abrupt.

Donnie (01:30:18):
Yeah, they're very abrupt.
It feels like no real resolutionwas written.
So they just kind of like threwin a couple of lines of dialogue
and said, that'll do it.
You know, we need to go, we needto be in post

CryBaby (01:30:30):
it?

Donnie (01:30:30):
now.
So we got to wrap this up, youknow?

CryBaby (01:30:32):
I mean, less than a year From, like, inception to
release is insane.

Donnie (01:30:40):
And they were just churning them out.
Yeah! just

CryBaby (01:30:43):
Yeah!

Donnie (01:30:44):
they were doing well.

CryBaby (01:30:45):
But this one wasn't really received that well.
Which is why I think we havesuch a large gap between Child's
Play 3 and Bride of Chucky.

Donnie (01:30:52):
And why I think there's such a different feel and
element to this movie and thenthe next one, which is just
like, total camp.

CryBaby (01:31:01):
I have a lot of thoughts about why that is and
I'm gonna tease the listeners alittle bit and be like, you're
gonna have to tune into ourBride of Chucky episode to hear
my thoughts on that.
but yeah, that's Child's Play 3.
Um, Overall, we kind of know howyou feel about it, but what you
know, What elements of thismovie do you think are innately
queer, if any?
Do you think there's anythingqueer about this movie?

Donnie (01:31:21):
Any time there's any kind of toxic masculinity,
there's an undercurrent ofqueerness or fear of queerness.
So, this movie does strike me asa little, you know, homoerotic,
and there are its little momentshere and there where you're
like, Ooh, that seemed kinky,you know?
but at the same time, I thinkthose things are, although

(01:31:42):
they're inherently queer,they're not necessarily
intended, It's just the culturethat comes with the military, if
that makes sense.

CryBaby (01:31:50):
No, I totally, I get what you're saying.
this has the potential to bevery subversive and have strong
queer undertones, or at leastyou know, very intentionally
challenge this masculinepatriarchal system.
I don't think it's quite thereyet.
It could have gone there but Idon't think it quite gets there

(01:32:12):
where it's more of a commentaryon toxic masculinity this idea
of boys not being able to playwith dolls or this is what a
real man does.
You know, it's, I feel like itcould have gone in that
direction but it's

Donnie (01:32:24):
Yeah, it didn't,

CryBaby (01:32:25):
The most queer thing that I think about this movie, I
do, again, I don't think it'sintentional, but I think sorry,
my man Botnik, there's somethingabout that performance that is
very cruisy, and, you know,there's this fetish feeling to
how he operates and, is it apositive depiction?

(01:32:45):
Not really, but I do think thatthere is some sort of queer
campy undertone

Donnie (01:32:49):
hmm.
Yeah, I will definitely agreewith you on that.

CryBaby (01:32:52):
but overall it's most certainly not the gayest movie
of the

Donnie (01:32:57):
certainly not.
It's the least

CryBaby (01:32:58):
least

Donnie (01:32:59):
Yeah, probably is the least gayest it's kind of a
mess.
been so easy.
to gay it up a

CryBaby (01:33:05):
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, but then again, I'm alsothinking like, the time that
this movie was made, I don'tknow if it would have ever
gotten there.
You know, today, of course itwould totally go there, but
yeah, after child's play three,I think it's like seven years
until we get the next child'splay movie.

Donnie (01:33:22):
big chunk of time.

CryBaby (01:33:23):
Yeah.
and then at that point, likethis is the last of child's Play
Cause, from here on out, it'sall of

Donnie (01:33:29):
Uh,

CryBaby (01:33:31):
my thought is because they realized that this movie is
evolving to be more aboutChucky.
you know, we are now enteringthe post Scream era of horror.
And you know, you're gonna get alot more meta, you're gonna get
a lot more self aware.
And I think that the creators,and especially Dawn.
Realize that people are going tobe watching these movies for

(01:33:54):
Chucky, along with it, um,shifting tonally, we also shift
point of views.
Because here on out, at leastfor the next two, we're with
Chucky's point of

Donnie (01:34:04):
Right.
That makes sense to put thefocus on Chucky.
And, you know, plus we do awaywith the storyline of Andy that
we've been following, so, youknow, it kind of reinvents
itself.

CryBaby (01:34:14):
Exactly, and I think, You know, again, to just ooze
and gush over Don Mancini, hetypically tries not to do the
same thing over and over again.
He always tries to do somethingnew with the movies, and I think
it was a smart decision,especially after the, um,
failure, so to speak, of thismovie, to focus on something
that's not Andy.
Or Chucky trying to get Andy,you know?

(01:34:36):
I don't know, I feel like I'mnot as enthusiastic about
Child's Play 3 in this episode.
I do like this movie, Like,again, it has a special place in
my heart, But yeah,comparatively it's, uh, Bottom
of the toy box.

Donnie (01:34:48):
we go.
The Bottom of the toy box.
Well, I look forward to talkingabout that next one.

CryBaby (01:34:52):
Me, too, uh, with that said, Donnie, where can our
listeners find You

Donnie (01:34:59):
can find me usually at my apartment in Queens, but
online, you can find me at theDonnie Cianciato on Instagram
and, trans voices cabaret alsoon Instagram.
I'd love to see you at eitherone of those places.

CryBaby (01:35:13):
Yes, follow both of

Donnie (01:35:14):
Yes, please.

CryBaby (01:35:16):
I will not bully you, dear

Donnie (01:35:18):
but

CryBaby (01:35:18):
but I will aggressively encourage you to support Donnie
and to support Trans Voices

Donnie (01:35:23):
Yes, thank you very much.
course.

CryBaby (01:35:26):
and of course y'all can find me, Crybaby, at
CryinInPublic, underscores inbetween each word, cryin,
underscore in, underscorepublic.
And then, of course, HorrorIcon,follow HorrorIcon, that's W H O
R R O R icon pod, Um, and yeah,with all that said cuties,
thanks so much for spending sometime with us, and until next
time, don't be scared, unlessyou're into that sort of thing.

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