It's 4/20 Henny (with Queer Horror High)

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What is your book of Well,hanging out with your Smartest
and Funniest Friend.
You know me, I'll kill anybody,but.

Queer Horror high (00:20):
hi Acuities, and finally, welcome back to the
Horror Icon Podcast, your queerplayground for all things scary,
sexy, and stupid.
You know me, it's good to seeyou again.
I'm crybaby the spooky slut fromyour Wettest Nightmares.
And I am so motherfuckingexcited to introduce you to our

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guest today.
This is a long time friend ofthe pod, since before I even got
started.
Everybody say hello and give itup for Chris Veo from Queer
Horror.
Hi.
go.
Hello.
Thank you for having me.
Of course.
Thank you for joining.
I just have to listen to this'cause your intro music, I love

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it.
Claps up.
It was made by my boyfriendactually.
Shut up.
That's so awesome.
Did your boyfriend do the voice?
No, that's me.
That's me.
Okay.
She pissed all the way down.
Welcome to Horror icon.
Chris, I'm so excited to haveyou here.

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This is, uh, for pulling backthe curtain'cause that's what I
do.
I'm using a new software today,everybody.
I did not get along well withthe one I was using before and I
literally started learning thisyesterday.
So, uh, lots of takes beingtaken, lots of patience from
Chris.
Much appreciated.
but yes, fuck yeah.
Thank you so much for beinghere.

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I'm so excited.
How are you doing today?
I'm doing well.
I just came back from a few daysin Long Beach, I'm energized.
I'm having a good time.
It's a nice, beautiful sunny dayin San Diego.
Oh, I'm so glad to hear that.
It just got sunny here in NewYork, like this past week has
been mm-hmm.
Nothing but rain.
It's a fucking pain in the ass.
but yeah, this is, um, anotherreason I'm super excited to have

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you here.
This is our four 20 episode.
Hell yeah.
Anybody better to be here forthis?
So, Chris is the host of, queerhorror.
Hi.
And why don't you tell ourlisteners a little bit about
your podcast and what you do.
Talk about.
So we're.
a queer horror podcast.
'cause I love a pun.

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I can't, I can't get away fromit.
Queer Horror High is also a pun.
Just on like high school.
not, you know, the greatest timeof most queers lives.
So I thought, let's reclaim thisshit and have a more fun, like,
you know, high school Kiki, sortof stoner podcast where it's far
more fun and there's lesspressure.

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And that's why our show is notsuper structured.
We have some segments, but thesegments are mostly to talk
about what we're high on andwhat we recommend you to get
high on to watch the movie thatwe are covering, which I love.
And speaking of that, I know,your co-host Nickey always asks
Chris, what's the high tea?
What are you smoking on today?
are you smoking today?

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Yes, I am.
Hell yeah.
What are we smoking?
Blackberry moonshine, which is aindica dominant hybrid and it's
really fruity and very stony andstrong, so.
That's why my eyes look likethis.
Hell, yeah.
Uh, quick question for,'causeI'm a one hit wander.
Right?
Okay.
I, I love the Devil's Cabbage.

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I'm a big fan of it.
Mm-hmm.
I just, I get so affected by it.
Mm-hmm.
And so I don't milk that often.
So, uh, for me and for some ofour listeners who may not be as
familiar as you are, what do youmean when you say super stony?
it, it washes over you, not onlyin the head, but the body as
well.
So when, when I say superstoney, I mean like, this shit

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puts me in my place figurativelyand literally, I tend to be,
what New Yorkers like to sayhigh strung.
That's like New York for anxiousas fuck.
So, um, oh yeah.
I thought you were doing anotherpun here.
Like high strung.
Oh, you know what though?
I, I'm gonna use it now.
You are high strung, baby.
I am.
Because even on like grams andgrams of weed, I'm still a

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chatty motherfucker.
It's just who I'm, can I curse?
Oh, please.
Absolutely.
Yes.
I've dropped, I don't even knowhow many curse words I've
dropped so far.
Cuss away to the safe space.
so she's smoking.
I did not smoke.
I have a gig that I'm gettingready for where I have to sing,
so I did take an edible.
I'm an edible.
Girly.
There you go.

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And I took it about maybe 45minutes ago, so we got a ticking
time bomb going on right now, solet's see how this goes.
you and Nickey started thispodcast how long ago?
Three and a half years ago.
I was at a job that I hated somuch, and I had started to
listen to some true crimepodcasts because the one perk

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was that it was mindless enoughfor some of it that I could, I
was allowed to.
So I found some true crimestuff, but then I was like, you
know, this is fun.
But it, the world was reallydark at the time, so I was like,
uh, I'm, I'm looking forsomething a little funnier, a
little brighter.
So then I found my way into morelike film podcasts, but a lot of
them were really dry.
And like, I'm a film buff ingeneral.

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Like horror is my favoritegenre, but I know a good amount
about film history and like theOscars, even though, fuck that,
fuck the academy.
But, um, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
All awards bodies, for the mostpart are trash.
It's so masturbatory.
It's, mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Anyway, it's fun for thefanfare, but I will never pay
any subscription service towatch the Oscars.

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I will find a way to like getFUBU tv for free for a month.
You know, like, I am notabsolutely.
I am not giving them my money.
What was I talking about?
The show?
Okay.
Yes.
So just, I was looking forsomething funny, silly, getting
into the More Film Buffypodcast.
It was like, okay, I like a lotof these, but I'm not getting
the entertainment value that Iwant.

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I'm just getting facts.
So I was like, I wanna createsomething that focuses on the
genre that I like.
And is also funny And when Iconceptualized this, I got home
from work after a terrible day.
I got so high and I was justlike, uh, I just was like, I
need to brainstorm a concept.
I wanna just get it done.

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I wanna stop thinking, oh, whatif I did it and just do it?
And I was like, the only personthat I feel like I can laugh
with and talk about horrormovies in particular and is like
queer, but also not in the samequeer demographic as me is
Nickey.
And I asked her and sheimmediately said yes.
I asked her at work the next daywhen I was miserable again.
I was like.

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Do you wanna do a podcast withme about horror where we get
really high and she's like, yes.
Oh, I love that.
Because you and Nickey have suchkiller chemistry.
Yeah, we, it's so fun.
We met eight years before westarted the show at Buffalo
Exchange.
We had a ritual where we wouldbasically go to Sprouts.
I don't know if you know what aSprouts is.

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They don't have the Of course Iknow what a Sprouts is.
Okay.
Oh right.
You're from Vegas?
I'm, I'm from Vegas.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
So we would go to Sprouts.
We would get a deli sandwich.
We would go to Balboa Park,which is the big park in San
Diego.
And I live really close to it.
We would just go to usually thisone bench by the Rose garden and
get super fucking high.
And usually if we watch stuff,we didn't, we watched horror

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movies one once in a while, butmostly what we did was watch
Trash Reality television.
No, I can tell that trashyreality TV is your thing because
mm-hmm.
I can relate, you reference whatI like to call the golden era of
reality tv, which is like around2007 when we had like Flavor of
Love, America's Next Hot Model.
Mm-hmm.
All that stuff.
I can totally tell that trashyreality TV is in your blood.

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'cause it is, it comes up a loton the podcast, everybody.
God, it does.
Like I could name every singleperson on the first season of
Flavor of Love.
I think I've said this to youbefore.
I know for a fact that'cause I,I rated and reviewed your
podcast on Apple Podcast'causethat's Oh, thank you so much.
I call it Kissing the HomiesGoodnight.
Mm-hmm.
but I am pretty sure I wrotedown something along the lines

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of like, listening to yourpodcast is very much like I'm,
it's like one 30 in the morningor in someone's backyard.
We're sitting around that shittyYes.
Okay.
Frosted glass.
And I had that, my parents hadthat white table with the
frosted glass in the middle andwe sat around and smoked many a
time around it.
So you are totally right.

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Mm-hmm.
That's exactly the vibe andthat's why I love it.
have you always been a fan ofhorror?
Yes.
Ever since I was a, a baby, Ican't remember.
Not loving it.
Do you remember your firsthorror experience?
I do.
When I was, I don't know, Idon't literally remember this
experience from the very firsttime.
'cause I was literally one yearsold actually.
Not even, I was four months old.

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my grandma from the time that Iwas a baby until probably I was,
I don't know, eight or so, wouldwear this ridiculously scary
witch mask.
And there's a picture of herholding me, as a baby, wearing
that witch mask where I lookterrified, but also so excited.
probably when I was three orfour, that's when I can remember
being in her like kitchenhallway where the, there was

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this little like, wooden pantrycloset and opening that pantry
closet to get like cannedpeaches.
'cause I loved canned peaches asa kid and then closing it, she
scared the shit outta me.
And, I loved it.
I loved being scared'cause Ifeel like it made me feel alive,
I feel like you were born to bein a whore.
'cause you were, were you bornon Friday the 13th?
Or you're just I was born on the13th.
You were?
I was born on Friday the 13th,June 13th, 1986.

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I'm so jealous.
I wish I was born on the 13th.
Mm-hmm.
Born on the 31st.
Of course I had to flip it,Okay.
And that's still fun though.
You're still a Gemini.
A hundred percent.
We love Geminis in this house.
We do not accept Gemini.
Slander.
Haters.
Get the fuck out.
Just throwing that.
And uh, Nickey has a Geminimoon, so, you know, we're
basically, we're reversed.
I'm Gemini Virgo.
She's Virgo Gemini.

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Oh, that's so funny.
Mm-hmm.
Of course you're gonna be goodfriends then.
Yeah, we're chatty, analytical,we overthink everything.
Mm-hmm.
And then you get really fuckinghigh while you do it.
Exactly.
Makes it even better.
do you remember your, the firsthorror movie you ever watched?
The first one that I canremember watching was Psycho.
Um, really, my aunt plunged meinto that right away.

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the two that she showed me whenI was, I believe like five or
six, were psycho in The Shining.
And her son was a little tooyoung.
He's a year and a half youngerthan me.
And also like at, at that age, Ijust clearly gravitated towards
spooky stuff and he didn't.
So sometimes when he would go tobed up until I was probably
around 10 years old, we wouldwatch horror movies together.

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And the first one I remember wasfor sure a psycho.
And I was obsessed right away.
The cinematography too, just theatmosphere.
I love something atmospheric.
That's interesting.
'cause I had a very similar,thing where when I was younger,
I, I, I, for some reason, Iwould not sleep in my bedroom.
I would always sleep in theliving room with my grandmother

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and, it would be late at nightand we'd be watching horror
movies together.
Mm-hmm.
Like little four or 5-year-old,gay baby me sipping on her Pepsi
and Brandy, oh, that's, that'show my, uh, delinquents got
started.
So since this is the four 20episode, I also have to ask a
little bit more about mm-hmm.
Your experience with the weed.

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do you remember the first timethat you got high?
It's literally, don't rememberthe exact first time, I had one
encounter with weed in highschool.
but there was a lot of bizarrecircumstances around that, so I
didn't get high and like Ididn't really smoke it, but the
first time I really got stonedwas in college in Buffalo.

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In a dorm room.
Honestly, we shouldn't have beensmoking in there or it was in my
friend Brittany's car.
It was definitely with her thatI smoked.
And her, she had a big oldmercury Grand Marquee I think,
or some, maybe it was a Buick.
I don't know.
It was one of those big boats ofa car and it was named Bessie
because she was a big bitch wedefinitely got high a lot in
Bessie, so it was probablythere.

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That's so funny.
I would've thought that you'd belike a high school boomer.
No.
I started late, I was in NewYork when you grow up, we were
heavy drinkers as kids.
I could never drink as much as Idid when I was 17 Now, you know?
I feel like drinking was morefun at 17.
'cause very similar.
Yeah.
In Las Vegas.
Like we start young too.
but if I do that now I'm fuckingdead.

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Yeah.
I cannot drink like thatanymore.
I used to be able to, I would goto high school, hungover.
I would go to college hungover,I would go to work hungover.
And now it's like I will doanything to avoid a hangover.
Can't do that shit no more.
That's why I smoke way moreweed.
It's like, you know, it's notlike you technically can get a
hangover.
It's like a totally differenttype of hangover.

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It's more of just like you wakeup groggy or like you feel like
the high never really dissipated'cause you went to bed and your
body stopped, like fullymetabolizing it out of you, but
mm-hmm.
I much prefer that feeling toanything related to alcohol.
With that said, I do have analcoholic beverage too.
I kind of technically do.
I'm drinking kombucha.

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Oh yeah?
Yeah.
There's a little in there.
There's a little bit in there.
I'm drinking what I used todrink in high school.
They, these are like in againDid you, just outta curiosity,
um, no, you were,'cause we'rearound the same age.
You got to experience theoriginal recipe of Four Loco.
Yeah.
Oh yes I did.
Who?
Oh my god of my life.
They made you feel like you weregonna have a heart attack.

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What did they take out of it?
Was it like Goring or somethinglike that?
I don't know.
I'm not a scientist.
I just remember, I played verystupidly.
I played a game of Flip cup withFour Loco.
I'm actually, I'm a flip cupchampion.
Like legally or like, oh, no,no, no.
Um, there was like a, a rugbyassociation in Long Island where

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I grew up they would gettogether, do a fundraiser.
I don't remember what thesefundraisers were for at the
time, but there was a flip cuptournament that they would host.
I think the fourth year we wonand we were down a player, so
someone had to like double upthe drinking and flipping, but
it had to be like the sameperson every time and I was
like, you know what, I'll do it.
And we won that year and I waslike, good for me.

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Gosh, I had no idea I was inthe, the company of such
excellence here.
Goodness.
Yeah.
I was always good at flip cup.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, I wish inconsistent asalways with me.
How's your experience been, withmaking your podcast?
It is so hard, but I love it.
It's like, it really is a laborof love.

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Like our show is not low budget,it is no budget.
Like we have, you know, it just,we have not really put money
into it in that way.
We just have a good fuckingtime.
And with that comes maybesometimes irregular scheduling
and inconsistencies withreleasing episodes.
But anytime I release an episodeand we're done, I'm so proud.

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Even if it's crunchy, it's justlike the intention, setting a
goal, doing it, finishing it,and hearing the final product is
always satisfying regardless ofhow it turns out.
Yeah, it's, I would agree withyou.
It's very fucking hard.
I'm looking directly into thecamera here.
It's very fucking hard.
It's hard.
Um, there's a reason why I thinkthe last episode I released of

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this podcast was back inSeptember, and that's because I
immediately.
Immediately went into workinglike four jobs for about five
months.
Yeah.
And then now I'm justsignificantly less employed.
But, uh, you know, I feel very,very fortunate to be able to put
some of that time into it.
'cause you're right, it takes,it's so tedious.

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It's so fucking tedious.
Mm-hmm.
So worth it.
It is worth it.
And what I will say, as somebodywho pretty regularly listens to
your podcast, I think I am neverthinking about any of the
technical stuff, like anybackground sounds or anything
like that.
Mm-hmm.
And I think a huge part of thatis again, your relationship with
Nickey and just mm-hmm.

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How you banter.
It's less like you're listeningto something and more like
you're part of a conversation.
Okay.
That's good to hear.
Of course.
That's what we always hope.
That's how it goes.
That our chemistry and ourability to just talk with each
other seamlessly and not feelawkward, um mm-hmm.
Is what we hope, like supersedesmaybe some of the technical

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shortcomings.
Because again, we are no budget,we don't have a network or any
sponsors.
We've never had an ad.
I'm not saying we never will,but probably won't.
I, I don't know, I don't wantsomeone to have to be like, you
can't do this because my adss inyour show.
I could totally imagine a weedcentric company or something

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being down to, but it's like,it's so niche, you know?
It is so niche and social media,especially the Metaverse, makes
it so difficult for regulatedgoods to appear anywhere on
their platforms.
So, yeah.
meta instituted policies thatit's across the same, across the
whole world.
So, because weed is not legal inmost of the world, and neither

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is alc, well, not that alcoholis not legal, but it is highly
regulated, far more in otherplaces than it is in the United
States.
but they try to make itstreamlined so they don't have
to do more work, even thoughthey're a rich corporation.
I have a question.
Mm-hmm.
About, what you cover and likehow you decide what you're gonna
cover.
you said you don't really planall too much, right?

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It's usually random, I'll belike, I wanna cover this movie.
And then the next time werecord, I'll be like, Nickey,
which one do you wanna cover?
And then we just kind of bounce'em off like that.
there's some times where we havea period where we'll release
something for a specificoccasion.
We've had several Black HistoryMonth episodes.
Um, we've had a few Pride oneshere and there.

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We always have a 4 21.
It's been far more free and justkind of like whatever peaks our
interest in the moment andwhatever we feel like we can
talk about where we can bothcontribute to the conversation.
we went to do his house oneyear.
Mm-hmm.
And we were like, uh, one, thismovie is very serious and it
should be, it's a really strongsocial commentary about

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immigration.
And while Nickey is AfricanAmerican, she's not a black
immigrant from Africa, so wewere like, maybe, maybe we just
talk about what we like aboutthis movie in, in like a smaller
part of an another episode.
But we don't wanna cover stuffwhere our, commentary isn't
really needed or informed.
So we try to always keep that inthe back of our heads too.

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Yeah.
I honestly, I really respectyour thought process around what
you're potentially adding to theconversation, if anything.
Mm-hmm.
Around certain tone.
Thank Nickey for that.
She was very good at kind ofteaching me like, I feel
uncomfortable with this and Ifeel like your voice might not
be right for this conversation.
And I agreed with her and itjust was like one of those aha

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moments of yeah, this fear of,podcasting in general is often
straight white men still, orstraight white people.
And sometimes I've listened topodcasts where I'm like, you
honestly literally have no ideawhat you're talking about here.
And the detention is usuallyalways good, but it's like.
Maybe you could have chosesomething else where you could

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enlighten me instead of methinking that maybe someone
needed to enlighten you.
Yes, very much so.
'cause at that point, again,nine times outta 10, I'm sure
the intentions aren't malicious,but mm-hmm.
It's more so, topping onsomething because it's current
or because it's going to be likea token moment It's like a
checkbox or something alongthose lines.

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So I feel you there.
personal side note, one of myfavorite episodes is a non
horror episode that y'all did.
Okay.
Pimp My Penguin, although I,'cause it was the, Batman, what
was it?
Batman Returns, right?
Yeah.
Because, or the villains in thatare all wonderful and out of all
the Batman movies, I would saythe two Tim Burton ones, while I

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am not the biggest Tim Burtonstand as a human, um, they are
the most horror forward forsure.
Very much the atmosphere, themood, and I mean, Michelle
Pfeiffer is Selena Kyle, yeah.
What little queer child didn'tsee her in that catsuit and was
like mm-hmm.
I'm feeling things and it, I'mnot sure what things they are.

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Clearly now it was, I wanna beher, not, I wanna do her, I
wanna be her.
I want that.
I wanna serve this energy in mylife.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm unsure if I ever did,but I'm still hoping to Same,
same, same.
Definitely an inspiration.
And my drag is MichellePfeiffer's.
Mm-hmm.
Catwoman a the edibles kickingin.
This is great.

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Yay.
It was very happy.
Yeah.
And my kombucha's gone.
what's in the future for QueerHorror High?
We are a little, open-ended atthe moment, but we do have our
four 20 episode on the substancecoming out on four 20.
Oh, hopefully.
Um, oh, I'm so there.
I am so fucking there.

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I I'm excited for that one.
Yeah.
We wanted to do an episode, forWomen's History Month, but so
many things happen and then itwas like, you know what, four 20
is a perfect time to,, releasean episode about a movie called
The Substance.
You know, it's topical ingeneral just because it was just
nominated for Oscars that cameout last year, but also,

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substances are abused in it.
So perfect time to talk aboutit.
We're also gonna do an episodefor, my birthday this year
because it's my next Friday, the13th birthday.
Oh, that's awesome.
Mm-hmm.
Oh, that's so fun.
What is it gonna be a Friday,the 13?
It has to be a Friday the 13th.
I'm not sure because like we'vedone Friday the 13th episodes on

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other films.
We did it on 13 Ghosts, youknow, 13.
We do it on Killer Space just toswitch it up.
But we might return to Fridaythe 13th, part three, because I
do feel like, it's been a while,but I'm not sure We haven't
discussed that yet.
We haven't really discussed anyof this too much yet because
we've been a little more fluid.
But, um, it's my Friday the 13thbirthday, we cannot pass it up

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especially,'cause my last onewas skipped'cause the leap year.
So, you know, I haven't had onesince I was, I think 27, Oh
damn.
Yeah, we gotta get you in therethen.
Mm-hmm.
I was gonna say, I think for thesubstance that could also, I
mean it's like a, a BelatedWoman's History month spiel too,
right?
Because Oh yeah, Yeah.

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It definitely tackled beautystandards and all the shit that
we do or women have done mostlyto their bodies, because
society.
Says to, and then the way thatsociety is like, well, you
shouldn't have gone that far.
And it's like, well, maybe youshould have not shamed me.
Yeah.
100.
So we definitely touch on thattype of shit in the substance.
excellent.
So I have some rapid fireinterview questions for you,

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Chris.
Okay.
Yes.
Uh, I'm ready.
This is something I'm trying todo for every time somebody, it's
like their first time on theshow.
Mm-hmm.
So we're gonna kick it off.
Don't think about it.
Just quick fryer response.
First thing, most importantquestion, are we feeling
hydrated today?
Literally, never once in my lifehave I felt hydrated.

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I like water, but most of thetime I drink water it's because
I feel like, oh my God, I needsome fucking water right now.
And that means you're notdrinking enough.
fair enough.
I just like flavor, my nosedoesn't work very well, so I
tend to not probably be able totaste as well as most people, so
I like lots of flavor ineverything.

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I'm finding out that we have alot more in common than I
thought because I too do nothave the best sense of smell.
Okay.
I, too very much love gettingjust a salted in the palate by
flavor.
Mm-hmm.
No bland food for me.
No, no, no, no.
speaking of food, what's yourfavorite go-to snack?

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Reese's.
Reese's Eses Peanut butter cup.
I love them.
I think they're probably an evilcompany though, so I should
probably slow down on that.
But my God, I love chocolate andpeanut butter.
What's your favorite strain?
If I had to pick one, it wouldbe purple punch.
it tastes like grapes andblueberries.
I like a fruity indica.
I've said that on my showbefore.

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I love a fruity Indica.
Purple punch is, I think it'seither indica or indica dominant
hybrid.
I used to like Blue Dream when Iwas younger before I realized
that there were more optionsavailable.
'cause Blue Dream is super tastyand it's like a basic strain
that most people know.
But it definitely is one thatlike, takes you up a little bit
and I need to go down.

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I will have to try that one.
I honestly, I'm not gonna lie, Iknow nothing about strains.
I just show up and I didn'tuntil recently.
Oh really?
Yeah.
Probably was like five yearsago.
That makes me feel better.
'cause I feel like it's such apillow princess when it comes
to, to weed somebody else do itfor me.
And I, I enjoy so.
what's your most recent bingewatch?

(24:53):
Truthfully, it was Top Chef.
Really?
Yeah.
I love Top Chef.
Me and my boyfriend watch a lotof Top Chef.
We've been out of it for alittle bit.
So we've been binging the coupleof the newest seasons to catch
up to the season that'scurrently airing.
I love to cook.
That's another one of myhobbies, though.
I haven't been cooking as muchlately.
My boyfriend does way more ofthe cooking now.

(25:14):
But we're both foodies.
Have you done, any attempt atmaking your own edibles and
stuff I actually haven't.
Nickey has though.
Oh yeah.
Oh, she's gotten me fucked upall the stuff that she's made.
Not surprised.
like she's given me a butterbefore.
Delicious.
Very nice.
Mm-hmm.
Just saying if, if you love tocook, maybe something to

(25:34):
explore.
I know I should.
Who's your horror crush?
I have two.
Okay.
I have like the one that's myroot is absolutely Ryan Phillipe
from I Know What You Did LastSummer douchey character.
But you know what, I wasn'tthinking about that at the time.
I wanted to be Helen; SarahMichelle Gellar, and I wanted to

(25:56):
be ON barry, But also when I gotolder and started to be into, I
don't know, different types ofmen, like less hot, standard
nineties twink.
I realized my standards werewider than I once thought.
And, Kirk from the TexasChainsaw Massacre, the first
one, oh, he's the one in thedenim shirt.
And it's like open, he's got allthat chest hair.

(26:18):
And then when I saw that one, Iwas probably in my like late
teens.
I was like, oh yeah.
It's like, that's the ticketright there.
Mm-hmm.
Just like another, another facetof my type.
And then he died first, and Iwas so sad.
Yeah.
But I mean, let's talk about akiller fucking death scene,
though.
That one's so scary.
It is great.
And it really does set you upfor the rest of the movie.
And then you do, you know, youget to see his little otter body

(26:41):
on the table later, okay.
I think I already know that whatthe answer to this one's gonna
be, but I'm gonna ask it anyway.
Which movie theater kandy wouldyou be and why?
I think, I know you would thinkI was gonna say Reese's, but I'm
thinking about like mypersonality and I would be a
sour patch kid because I'mcolorful and I'm sour as fuck.

(27:02):
Same, same, same, same.
I think that's a Gemini thingtoo, because mm-hmm.
When I worked at a movietheater, my nickname was Sour
Patch Kid, because I would, Iwould insult somebody so harshly
and then immediately just startcuddling with'em and just being
like, it's okay.
Yeah.
Because like, I feel that peoplelike us, you, you, you only
insult the people who you evennotice or like, thank you.

(27:25):
Glad we're on the same page onthat one.
Yeah.
If I don't like you, the facewill be totally different.
No.
If I don't, honestly, if I don'tlike you, I'm not even
interacting with you.
Especially if it's someone who'strying to get me to react to
them.
You ain't getting nothing.
Which horror movie characterslash trope do you most identify
with?
See, this is gonna beinteresting too though.

(27:47):
I, I don't traditionallyidentify with the stoner.
I would say really in, in moremodern horror movies I do, but
the stoner in old school filmsis more of like a carefree
hippie character or, uh, youknow, the comedic relief.
And I can be comic relief, but Idon't feel like my energy would

(28:10):
ever be described as chill.
And I think that stoners oftenget oh, you're so chill But
overall as a human, that's justnot me.
To me, I've always identifiedwith the final girl, which is so
I.
Obvious, but it's more so thatperson who's loyal and is making
sure everyone's getting outtahere.
or at least I hope we're gonnaall getting outta here, I feel

(28:31):
like I'm someone who, someone inthe horror movie who takes
action, but again, isn't thealpha and still thinks, I think
faced with action that I can seecoming or there's a situation
where I can prepare, which younever know if that's gonna be
the case, but I feel like I makegood decisions.
Well, I was gonna say,'cause Iknow you're, you are very
observant.

(28:51):
You lock on things that I don'tthink any average person will
notice.
So that makes a lot of sense.
You have to be the one personthat actually sees what's going
on.
as somebody who identifies witha final girl, if you were then
in a horror movie, whatsub-genre do you think you could
survive?
I have two.
I.
Okay, first off, I immediatelygo to the slasher because the

(29:12):
slasher is so formulaic and I amobservant and the, that formula
is now embedded in my head.
So I feel like if I found myselfin a situation that I'm like,
oh, this is replicating aslasher, I would know, okay,
this ain't the time to starttoken up.
I am not such a stoner that Ican't snap out of it and um,
snap out of it.
Sorry, I had to do a bad, a badshare impression and just

(29:36):
crumble in my highness.
and the second one is anythingwhere there's I wanna say maybe
like a witch movie or like amovie where you have to respect
an entity or dead villain'sboundaries, which I feel like is
often something about a witch orlike in a possession movie.
if I'm at like a sacred burialsite, I am not gonna be the one
to be moving shit around.

(29:57):
It's not'cause just I'm notgonna disrespect the culture You
don't fuck with that shit.
You don't wake the demon or thewitch and they don't wanna kill
you.
And I'm not that person.
did you want to do the mostembarrassing moment of your
life?
Question?
Yeah.
Why not?
Why not?
What's the most embarrassingmoment of your life?
Because it ties into, flip cupagain.
It was at the first flip cuptournament we ever did as a team

(30:20):
it was the first year of thefundraiser, unbeknownst to our
team at the time.
They were waiting for more teamsto sign up, more people to come
in and spend more money beforethey started the tournament.
But everyone was playing games,so I thought we had started.
So we had won like five games ina row and my team was so drunk
'cause we were one of the firstteams there.

(30:40):
Then the tournament started andI'm like, we're like the
tournament started, like whathave we been doing this whole
time?
And then, we got knocked out inlike the first or second round
that year after winning so manygames.
So we went back and just startedplaying flip clapp at my
friend's house and won Verycompetitive lesbian was like, I
will challenge anyone toone-legged in your underwear

(31:04):
flip cup.
And I won.
But at the same time now I wasjust beyond drunk and I woke up
having like, you know, whohasn't but like peed everywhere,
you know, like, ah, yeah.
In the upstairs, all over, Ithink maybe on a friend who was

(31:27):
sleeping on the couch and then Ihad to pee again and everyone
had to direct me to pee out thewindow because we were upstairs
and I was not getting down thestairs to go to the bathroom.
Yeah.
So, waking up and finding outthat I had done all that was the
most embarrassed I have everbeen that, that, that is quite,

(31:47):
yeah.
My final question for you,Chris, is what are you looking
forward to right now?
What am I looking forward toright now?
Well, in the immediate future,my Friday 13th birthday, I just
feel like it's always a greattime, but in general, I am just
looking forward to, thisadministration, getting the fuck

(32:09):
girl.
Like, it's just making everyonein my circle.
So in a way, energized and firedup.
But fired up isn't always fun.
And I know everything doesn'tneed to be fun, but it just
feels like a serious time rightnow because we're at war, you
know?
Yeah.
I co-sign that a thousandpercent.

(32:29):
Yeah.
Anyway.
Yeah.
that, that wraps up with our,rapid fire interview questions.
Thank you so much for indulgingme and letting me ask you a
bunch of silly, nonsensicalquestions.
You're welcome.
I'm pretty open.
Love it as most Geminis are.
This is a, this is a Gemini lovefest.
Everybody, uh, music to my ears.

(32:51):
And that sound is gonna take usright into what we came here to
talk about.
We're talking about weed andhorror and the tropes that we
see mm-hmm.
Uh, with stoners., weed andhorror very much go hand in
hand.
I think a lot of people, whenthey think of horror movies, one
of the first things theyprobably think of is smoking
weed, getting killed, like withall the slashes.

(33:13):
Oh yeah.
Mm-hmm.
but that's the genre that's mostin the public consciousness, I
feel like.
Sub genre Yeah, I would agree.
A lot of people just think thatthat's straight up what horror
is.
It's either that or a ghostmovie.
Yeah.
Without realizing all of the,the other genres in between.
Mm-hmm.
but one thing I did find,interesting when I was doing my
research, I found out that weedstarted becoming criminalized

(33:35):
and more regulated the same timethat modern cinema was coming to
and being Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah.
For madness.
Read For Madness.
I tried sitting down andwatching it to prepare for this,
and I couldn't, it's hard towatch.
It's like, okay, I saw it onceso long ago.
And it's just so poorly made,there's a funness in it to watch

(33:57):
it while high.
Yes.
Uh, marijuana, not marijuana.
I don't even wanna call it that,because that's like a term that
was created to make it soundethnic and exotic so white
people wouldn't wanna smoke it.
Oh shit.
Okay.
I did not know that.
Yeah, cannabis is, cannabis is ahallucinogen, but it's such a
mild one.
And what they show in ReveMadness is just insanity.

(34:19):
Like, you drop four tabs of acidand even then acid doesn't do
that shit either to you.
So it's just so unrealistic.
It, it's funny to look at it,but at the same time that really
drove the conversation on howthe average suburban American
viewed weed at the time.
And that's scary because it wasso inaccurate.
yeah, I, it is so interesting'cause there's some interviews

(34:41):
and stuff that I've watchedwith, either actors that are
from around that generation.
Mm-hmm.
Or like, Somebody who was anevil bong.
The, the actress that played thegrandma, not the grandma, but
like the wife of, of thegrandfather.
she was very much anti weed.
And it was interesting hearingher talk about it in an
interview.
Mm-hmm.

(35:01):
And it was almost like she wasspouting off exactly what she
had seen from Reefer Madness.
I think it isn't a good thingfor anybody to take it.
Their mind becomes weak, and ifthey don't have their drug and
they don't have any money forit, eventually they'll start

(35:26):
burglarizing stealing to getmoney to keep their habit.
Wasn't her name in that movie, like Dame
Marjorie, Korn Wallace.
It was something so stupid.
I wasn't paying attention to thenames.
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure that's what hername was in that movie.
Honestly like Evil Bong.
We did that for our first four20 episode on Queer Horror High.

(35:50):
And God, right after it, Iapologize to Nickey, I was like,
I'm so sorry that I made youwatch this.
After I mentioned it, she waslike, okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I could sense maybe a littlehesitation because it is is it a
Charles band movie before Icommit to that?
Yeah, but just, it just feltlike people who maybe had smoked
weed while they did other drugsas teenagers and early 20

(36:13):
somethings and just honed in onit because stoner culture was
emerging in the two thousandsagain and just really didn't get
it.
Those characters just didn'twork for me as far as the types
of people who could be stoners.
not that a stoner is one person,but it's prob like the uh,
verbally abusive alpha jockprobably is not a giant pothead,

(36:35):
especially in 2006.
I would believe that more now.
But there wasn't enough nuanceto that character at that time
to make it believable at all.
To any of the characters.
No.
Like the, the lead nerdcharacter sucked in that movie.
You didn't wanna root for him?
the women were like, sostereotypical and like, really
put in you know, a box as beingannoying and kind of nuisances

(36:56):
And then they had, uh, Cheech isit, I always mix up who it is.
It is not Tommy Chong.
It's Tommy Chong.
Yeah.
And, he just comes in at theend, but it's like, he's the
only one that knew what themovie was, but even then he
couldn't save it.
and then his character waspretty.
Misogynistic and kind of likerapey at the end, but all the
mm-hmm.
Oh my God.

(37:17):
Who was it?
Is it Britney Hot Wheels?
Yes.
But there's like Brandy C fromRock of Love, Brandy C You
talking?
Yes.
But he's like driving the hotwheel over her titty or
something at the end.
Yep.
Listen, I'm, I'm right therewith you.
The characters.
I could not stand.
I will say though, the more andmore my edible kicked in, the
more and more I started to belike, you know what?

(37:37):
I can enjoy this and laugh at itbecause of, not because it's
good and not because it's sobad.
It's good, but because behindthe scenes I know that there's a
group of people that genuinelythought that this was going to
be a fantastic movie.
Yeah.
And these are the best decisionsthat they could make.
Yeah, absolutely.
I feel like it did gain a littlebit of cult status for a while,

(37:59):
but then 10 years after thathorror really kicked into high
gear.
also the quality of parody hasbecome so much stronger.
Mm-hmm.
And people are more open to whatthe stoner really is, instead of
just an idiot who's nice.
Most of the, the stereotypesthat they showed were all kind
of straight stoner bro kind ofstuff.

(38:21):
Yeah.
That's it.
Just like, that's it.
I feel like, not in literalnumbers, because queer people
make up roughly 10% of thepopulation.
though we don't ever really knowhow much we were.
Probably, there's more of usthan that, I feel like.
Yeah, of course.
Because when I was a kid, theywould say it was three, but I
feel like that was only outpeople.
And in the last 20, 30 years, somany more people are out and

(38:43):
there's so many more avenuesthat you have to identify as
queer.
It's not just like, uh,homosexual, you know?
Yeah.
yeah.
It's significantly more fluidnow for sure.
Mm-hmm.
So even the parodies and justthe movies coming out now are
way smarter and have more nuanceand fine tune representation
that just makes evil bond kindof a irrelevant now.

(39:03):
No.
Yeah.
Because I think one of thethings that I really like about
a lot of parodies, like morerecent, is that there's such an
intelligence underneath all ofit.
Mm-hmm.
There's a specific point ofview.
Oftentimes there's commentary Ohyeah.
Stuff that just really enrichesit versus what I think we had a
lot in That era of the twothousands, which was a very mean

(39:26):
era for horror in general.
Anyway.
It was mean as a good word todescribe it.
Mean-spirited.
Very, very mean, verymean-spirited.
Especially to women and gays.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Exactly.
And then you had all of thesemovies that were intentionally
trying to be bad And they weremean, and they were cheap, they
were low effort.
Yeah.
Evil Bong was, it was not itthough.

(39:46):
let's get back to the slasher.
Okay.
Because I feel like the slasheris we already touched on this, a
great place where the stonertrope has kind of evolved.
I know for me, the first timethat I can remember seeing
somebody smoking weed in ahorror movie and then getting
punished, quote unquote for itwas Halloween.
Were there any other onesbefore?
Well, well, Texas ChainsawMassacre, they smoked, right?

(40:08):
I believe that they did in thevan.
But I don't feel like, I mean,so I would, I would say that
Texas Chainsaw Massacre isslasher adjacent, the tropes are
not really present there, butthe actual structure, a bunch of
young people get picked off by akiller.
Like there's the, the base isthere.
Um, yeah, it's like proto.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like that's when the earlyseventies is when you really

(40:30):
started to see it forming.
people usually point to BlackChristmas.
There's definitely slashersbefore Black Christmas, but I
feel like black Christmas is thefirst one that you can point to
that's like, okay, I see a lotof the tropes in this that went
on later to appear in otherfilms.
Texas Chain came out the sameyear, but I do feel like they
were going for a more grindhousevibe.

(40:50):
Oh yeah.
So I don't feel like the weed iswhat caused the people in Texas
Chainsaw Massacre to die.
I don't feel like they werepointing to that as to why it
was more so their just likeunbridled curiosity.
And that like comfortabilitythat was just kind of present in
the seventies that I think theTexas Chainsaw Massacre kind of
brought forward to people thatweren't familiar with that vibe

(41:11):
of just like, maybe noteverywhere is good for you to
go.
If you see a place and it looksweird, maybe trust your gut.
So that movie kinda woke us up alittle bit.
Yeah, that's a very good point.
I guess it was maybe in a waythough, a way to shape those
characters as being loose,careless.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
So not necessarily like yousmoked weed, you deserve to die,

(41:32):
but more so similar toHalloween, how it's really kind
of more of a justification I'mnot trying to punish them, it's
just I need them to bedistracted or I'm not, you know,
I just need to show that thisgroup of people, are a certain
type of person that's going toenter this person.
Exactly.
You know, and that's why Lorilives, because Lori's the, the

(41:54):
one who like hits it twice likea, I think I, I like a little
hamster, just barely pulling andshe's so paranoid and that's
like a beginner stoner, or noteven a stoner, that's just maybe
someone giving it to peerpressure.
Because Lori wasn't the coolgirl Uhhuh.
She was like, if I want BenTramor to like me, maybe if
Annie tells him that I, youknow, took a hit of grass, like

(42:15):
he'll think I'm cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Annie had fun though.
Annie liked to smoke weed, maybeshe wasn't necessarily being
punished, because I feel likethe stoner trope maybe really
evolved after Halloween.
But it's definitely the earlylittle seedlings of it, because,
Annie's the mouthy one, she'sunbridled.
And I feel like weed exemplifiesthe idea that you are just

(42:36):
freewheeling and anything goes.
And for people whose guard isdown, you're probably gonna die.
And that's, you know, I thinkthat's, you see it in Halloween
too, like it starts to formthere.
Obviously they didn't intend itto be taken the way that it was
because we, no, not ToddCarpenter and Deborah Hill.
No, no, no, no.
Not, not one bit.
but yeah, you're right.

(42:57):
It was an excellent tool in thatmovie to, to showcase the, the
differences in personalities andlike mm-hmm.
Why this person lives and whythis person doesn't.
But then like everything else inthe eighties, it just became
more of a superficial weed.
Bad you die.
Oh yeah.
Friday the 13th, that wholefranchise.
Set that up.

(43:17):
I would say in almost every oneof those films, there is
probably a stoner, or at leastlike the stoner stereotype, even
if they're not actively smokingweed, like mm-hmm.
Crisp Glover, I feel like inpart four is not a big stoner,
necessarily he gives thatunaware energy.
Like, oh, I just know you'regonna die'cause you're not
paying attention.
You're young, you're naive, youhave, you're mm-hmm.

(43:39):
Too idealistic and hopeful aboutlife, Absolutely.
The fight with girl is usually alittle cynical and smarter than
the other people.
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, we had what, Ginny inpart two who was like a child
psychologist and that mm-hmm.
Ended up being how she did it,Part three is definitely it's
definitely considered one of theworst in the series by most
people.
And if you take it as a straightmovie, as far as like, you know,

(44:02):
the, the, the way the script wasconstructed and a lot of, of the
way that the characters werewritten, it is definitely not a
great film.
But for some reason, ChrisHiggins just.
Steals my heart and peoplereally don't like her.
Really.
She is considered, I would say,usually considered one of the
worst final girls, and I reallythink it's because she rejects

(44:23):
sex from Rick, the whole movie,the whole movie, the dude is
trying to bang her and she'slike, yeah, I'm trying to figure
out my childhood trauma.
I am not trying to have sex withyou right now, but I think that
was released in 1982.
And yeah, straight men were nothaving her.
And I felt like, unfortunately,of course not that reputation
was kind of attached to thatcharacter because that film was

(44:45):
the first one to really tacklePTSD.
And I honestly can see how thatfilm came about in the wake of,
Amy Steele not doing part threeas a continuation of her and
part two.
Mm-hmm.
That clearly would've been astudy of her PTSD surviving the
events of the second film.
I think my big problem withFriday 13th, part three and most

(45:08):
of the films after that in theseries, is that it's way too
many characters and you start tolose your attachment to the
characters.
Sometimes.
Like the first two, everyonefelt so, felt actually like
friends and attached.
That's true.
They, they seemed like they wereall members of the same friend
group.
And now it's like there's, wemove into more token.

(45:31):
Yeah.
Stereotypical like, listen,here's your stoner, here's your,
this person.
Mm-hmm.
And also, I will get to thislater, unless we want to get
into it right now.
Let's get into it.
Yeah.
Okay.
Chuck and chili are two of myfavorite stoners of all time.
Especially, they're so fuckinggood chili.
Actually, can I play somethingfor you?
Yeah.
Because Chili gave us, in myopinion, one of the best moments

(45:55):
of, acting that we ever couldhave asked for.
Here it.
Yep.
Oh God.
I love this.
Me too.
Here we go.
Oh God.

(46:16):
Oh my God.
No urgency.
Nope.
She's chill.
She's chilly.
Ugh.
Poor baby.
Oh, there it goes.
Pour one out for chili.
Oh, pour one out for chili.
Indeed.

(46:36):
I agree with you a hundredpercent.
Chili is one of my favorite.
They are a walking exclamationpoint.
neon signs pointing down.
It's like stoner, stoner,stoner.
Yes.
They're so fun.
Fun.
They're fun.
And also she doesn't visuallylook like the typical stoner
chuck.
Absolutely.
That's looks like's true.
A like he should be hanging outwith Ji Chong.

(46:58):
Mm-hmm.
Like he's got like a colorfulshirt.
He is got the headband, he's gotkind of long hair.
But chili, she, I mean maybe herfashion choices point to it.
'cause she's wearing a bluesweater and then that necklace
is not fashionably draped, but,but it's a cowboy boot, but it's
the same collar as the shirt.
It's just, it, it doesn't makesense, but it's amazing.

(47:20):
Mm-hmm.
And I just love how she is sucha stoner because even in this
moment of extreme terror, she isjust moseying up those stairs.
She's chilling through it.
Yep.
If you're listening, you shouldjust watch the video.
'cause this is a wonderfulscene.
I hope it's as beloved as it isfor me, for like other people.
I really hope.
I really hope so.

(47:40):
Yeah.
Also, why were Chuck and chilithere?
Like everybody else, they don'tseem like are friends with them,
right?
No.
Everyone else is like, seemslike 20, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Maybe in college, fresh outtacollege.
Chuck and Chili seem, well,Chuck, uh, specifically seems
like 35, Chili was maybe 30.
I'm not really sure how oldthese people were, but just,

(48:00):
they were just in the van.
Yeah.
All we see is the vans justgetting hotbox like crazy.
Well, we're led to believe thatit's on fire.
so there's, oh yeah, we firstsee it.
Yeah.
So there they are of course,using the stoner as a punchline
as you always see.
Mm-hmm.
but yeah, they're just likechilling in the van.
It's like, did y'all break inhere?
also, I love Chile in particularbecause it, the third film is

(48:23):
obviously the 3D one, 3D film,and we see her early on just
pass that joy, hit it and passit to the viewer.
And I really wish I was there in19.
I'm so glad you brought that upbecause I was gonna mention that
as points for chili too.
I love that shot.
I've had to fight, meta manytimes to keep our photo of that
on our wall for queer horrorhigh.

(48:43):
'cause I posted that at four 20or on four 20 last year or the
year before.
And it got flagged so manytimes.
Of course it did.
I mean, it's, it's still therethough.
I have not given it.
Yeah, that's what I'm talkingabout.
That's a great photo.
And that one was good and I'mnot taking it down.
Yeah.
It's treasure and it should betreated as such.
Mm-hmm.
Now what about with, cause Ifeel like in Slumber Party

(49:06):
Massacre, it's also showed a bitdifferently than we see in other
Slashers as well.
With it being the Oso subtlefeminists, iconic film that it
is, yeah.
I mean, I could imagine thatweed was used as another way to,
you know, do what they wantedher to do mm-hmm.
While also empowering thecharacters in the film.

(49:29):
Yes.
I feel like what they were doingin that film is kind of similar
to what Broad City did, wherethey take typical male behavior
and just show women doing it andbeing like, men don't own this.
Mm-hmm.
Men don't own being bro out, youknow, uh, smoking weed and
acting all like that.
These girls were all gettinghigh, but, and they did crack a

(49:51):
joke or two, but they weren'tacting like men necessarily
would, but they were still doingit while reading their women's
magazines and their la Yeah.
It was, it was just the feminineside of the weed coin that we
didn't see that often.
Mm-hmm.
Especially in a movie thatbarely features men.
yeah, I watched that for thefirst time last night, slumber
partying.
Oh, sure.
Shit.
Okay.
I'm glad.
Yeah.

(50:12):
Oh, poor Jackie.
it does crack me up that, shewas so hungry as to eat the
pizza from underneath the guy'sdead body.
I found that hilarious.
I love that so much.
She just opened that and thenshe plunked it on him and opened
the box.
Like she didn't even like put iton the couch or the table.
She put it on his body.
Right.
On his, yep.
Right on his body.
I'm pretty sure his blood wasstill on the box.

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I don't know if it was was bloodor grease, one or the other.
but yeah, Jackie, I really likedher a lot.
Loved she had the best negligee.
Oh, she did?
But also in that movie, Trish,the final girl gets high too,
and she's not like Lori, whereshe like barely hits it like she
is participating just likeeveryone else.
They got it for her.
Yeah.
That Maui wowie.

(50:53):
Mm-hmm.
And it was her, just her slumberparty.
I think having a woman behindthe camera really changes
things, and I don't think peoplenecessarily noticed it back
then.
I'm sure maybe some women did,but mm-hmm.
The horror audience overall wereprobably like, oh, you know,
they're just, they're doing whatguys do, and I'm like, no.
The point is that this isn't aguy thing.
Well, I also think there was, Ithink there was enough of the

(51:15):
other stuff to where peoplewouldn't even catch on.
They're just like, but we got tosee their butts and tits in the
shower.
Where they didn't wash properly.
of course you wouldn't noticethat Nickey noticed it.
And it is a stereotype, and Ieven asked some of my white
friends, and I'm sorry, I'm notgonna name who.
Oh, I love you very much.
But she was like, yeah, I don'talways scrub this, you know, it

(51:35):
just drips down the soap from uphere and goes on my legs and
it's like, no, You actually haveto get the friction happening.
you have to do some work herebabes.
you said that you wanted to talkabout the thing right?
I did because the thing, there'sa different type of stoner in
the thing.
Yeah.
We have Palmer, who is not ahuge character.

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He is more of a conspiracytheorist stoner.
Oh.
And that is not the one you seeas often, especially back then.
Yeah.
And like he didn't trust thegovernment.
He thought the a, uh, thegovernment, I believe knew about
aliens and was like hiding themfrom the public.
But he was shown as a thinker.
So someone that was maybe usingwe to, just recreationally
because his mind was alwaysgoing so much.

(52:17):
Yeah.
And he wasn't like a characterthat I was drawn to when I was
younger, but now I relate tothat character, mm-hmm.
He's always thinking and is alittle quiet, but when he's got
something to say, he's gonna sayit.
And that's like a different typeof sonar that's a little
different than the, just thecomic relief.
And he's not that at all Forsure.
And I mean, it's not surprisingthat that's from a carpenter
film either'cause No, yeah.

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Even in Halloween, weed was useddifferently in Halloween, so,
it's, it, it makes absolutesense that that would be an
outlier compared to everythingelse that we would see going on
with the mm-hmm.
Walking hyperbole.
Yeah.
This is the part where like theedibles really kicking in, so.
Mm-hmm.
what, oh, I can't remember.
Were there any other movies fromthe eighties that you were

(52:58):
looking to talk about?
there's a good stoner in Day ofthe Dead.
Oh.
So here's the thing.
I don't think I've seen Day ofthe Dead, and if I have, I don't
remember.
'cause all of those of the deadmovies from the eighties mm-hmm.
They're so interchangeable in mymind.
is, uh, is Dave the Dead?
The one with trash?
No, Dave.
The Dead's.
The one in the bunker with the,um, the, like the lady scientist
or researcher and they're tryingto come up with a solution to.

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oh my God, I'm about to quote,stick stickly, simmer down the
zombies, you know, like control,control them and kind of like
harness the zombies energy, for,you know, capitalism
essentially.
But there's just one army dudewho's just the chill stoner and
he doesn't like, do anything.
He's probably the, the nicest ofthe army guys, but he's just

(53:45):
kind of like a, just anotherboot licker who just happens to
smoke weed.
But because of that, he's theone that you're like, he's
definitely gonna die and getripped apart.
And he does.
But I think he has a littlegarden and I think he, maybe he
had some weed crop down there,but he was definitely, like a
plant daddy.
He was the cute one too.
I think if you had to pick acute one of the army guy that

(54:06):
was him.
He was like the unassuming niceguy.
And I think that's an, that'skind of the avenue that the
stoner is off and down.
Now let's talk about, how thisstoner has evolved there were
some outliers that we hit on,but I think the general
consensus you might agree is inthe eighties, the, the stoner
was essentially one type of Yes.
Non-threatening comic relief.
You're just there to die yeah.

(54:28):
It's like awe, especially aroundthat time when people go to see
a slasher movie, obviouslythey're going to see one thing,
they wanna see people die.
Mm-hmm.
And when you see a stoner or agroup of stoners in a slasher
movie, it's just kind of Like,ah, yes, I get to, I get to see
somebody die.
So it's almost like a guaranteedsatisfaction kind of thing.

(54:49):
I think post scream, we start tosee more of a shift in How the
stoner is perceived and, whetherit be through some sort of
satire or parody or by mm-hmm.
Showcasing different types ofstoners, I think as problematic
as this movie, maybe I do kindof enjoy idle hands I think that

(55:12):
it's just neat to have a stoneras the lead.
That's super rare.
Also, for me at that time, myGod, like Devon Swa is a root
for me, When I was a kid, myfirst crush ever that I can
remember having that felt sexualwas Devon Swa in Now and then I
was excited to watch Idle Handsbecause I knew he was the guy

(55:34):
from that.
Mm-hmm.
So I was in right away though, Idon't know how much I connected
with the stoner at that time,but even then it was really
interesting to see that personbe the main character and not
get repercussions from the filmfor doing that.
Exactly.
Well, and also seeing a personthat, and I think this is where

(55:54):
it's, because it goes so hardinto parody, it works, but
having, who is so stoner?
And to have that be the personthat we're following, yeah, it
was pretty, it was prettyinteresting.
It was pretty fun to see.
Yeah.
'cause in idle Hands, I feellike he's likable.
Like I feel like we're supposedto want to relate to him, but

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when, you see him smoking somuch that could easily alienate
people in the nineties.
But what worked about it for mewas that usually someone who is
portrayed that simple is nevergonna be thought that by the
audience to have the capabilityof coming up with any solution
to Yeah.
Stave off whatever, whatever thehorror is in the film.

(56:35):
Yeah.
And there's something about thatcharacter.
Is it a, is his name Alex?
Anton.
there's something about Antonthat was Relatable for like the
every kid of that era.
Yeah.
It's so late nineties to me,it's so specific to lots of the
kids that I knew, even though Iwas a little younger than him,
it still ranked totally true.
But also his simplicity andbecause he was a stoner, his

(56:57):
lack of totally overthinkingeverything is they think what
works.
And that's what, that's wherethe parody part comes in, where
it's just like, yeah.
His hair brain way of thinkingkind of saved him.
And that's the part of thecomedy.
Mm-hmm.
But also, like, you know, itwasn't often done that way in a
way to highlight the stonertrope as someone who, like, they
could do it too, you know?
And that's what's refreshingthere.

(57:19):
Yeah.
As over the top as it was, therewas still a level of empowerment
to it, you know?
Mm-hmm.
Especially with the ending beingwe literally saves the day.
yeah.
He, the filmmakers could haveeasily been like, you know what,
he succeeds and survives, savesJessica Alba, but then he's
like, well, I'm gonna, I'm nevergonna smoke again.
And I'm like, I'm glad it didn'tgo that route because it like

(57:42):
humanizes the person that usesweed to cope with this fucking
life.
And it is not addictive in thesame way as other things.
And the whole gateway drugpropaganda from the nineties was
so intense.
Oh gosh.
Be being a child of dare.
Holy shit.
Oh my God, that shit was shoveddown my throat so much.
I remember, they had us writeessays.

(58:03):
Mm-hmm.
And they would give out medalsfor who wrote the best essay.
Oh, and then they, they put usall together in the cafeteria
and we, we sang that Dare toKeep Off Drug song and it's, oh
my It was literallyindoctrination.
I said this on one of, one ofthe episodes I did with Donnie.
It was like the reefer madnessof the nineties kind of, it
really was.
And I feel like people didn'teven realize,'cause you were

(58:25):
doing that, you may have pushedyour kids to cocaine first or
something else.
You were focused way too much onthe gateway instead of the far
more dangerous and addictivedrugs that, that you say leads
to I feel like they were justtrying to gate keep in a way
that was counter, productivebecause you push your kids
oftentimes to way harder shit orto rooting their livers with

(58:49):
alcohol at a young age becausemm-hmm.
Alcohol is way more damaging onthe body.
I think it's so wild to me too.
'cause cannabis is a scheduleone drug, which is the most
dangerous.
Yeah.
But then you have meth, which isschedule two, and then like, oh,
I didn't know that.
Oh, that's great.
Yeah.
Yeah, it is.
It's so fricking wild how maybecops love meth, so that's why

(59:11):
they put it as number two.
Oh, honestly, it just makesshooting people way more fun.
Um, keeps'em awake I'm gonnasound like a conspiracy theorist
here.
Obviously it's a stoner episode.
It works.
It's, it's, it's intentional.
Like, they're like, oh, weed isso bad.
It's so bad.
When in actuality it's like, sogood.
But they don't want us to knowthat.

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Well, also, I feel like thetobacco lobbyists were afraid,
or big tobacco was afraid thatweed would encroach on tobacco
sales.
And you know, the police and thegovernment will always go toti
bat for a lobby with a ton offucking money.
Oh, absolutely.
No matter how many people itkills or whatever.
I feel like we have to talkabout cabin in the woods.

(59:52):
How do you feel about cabin inthe woods?
I actually have fond memories ofCabin in the Woods.
Um, okay.
That was a time in my life whereI think I had taken a step away
from horror in the years before2012.
I think it came hit theatersmaybe early 2013.
And like in that period, I hadjust not been paying as much

(01:00:14):
attention to movies.
So I feel like that was thefirst horror movie.
I had seen, not seen like atall, but first Good one I had
seen in years.
that level of parody, that wasstill really silly.
But,.
Was smart about how itincorporated other horror movies
and tropes and monsters and shitinto it.
I found really smart and I waslike, oh yeah, this is

(01:00:35):
different.
Even though this is made by men,it feels like the bro horror
period is over because this is areally big film right now and
it's nothing like hostile, youknow?
I will always and forever singthe praises of Cabin in the
Woods.
It's probably not, probably, itisn't my top five mm-hmm.
Favorite horror movies.
'cause I do feel like it's sucha love letter to the genre.

(01:00:58):
It's like it is, uh, irreverent,uh mm-hmm.
In the most reverent way.
so I, I think it's great.
And I know for me, I connectedwith a lot of different elements
of horror when I watched thismovie, but this was the first
time I ever really connectedwith and dare I say, very much

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liked a stoner character.
Yeah.
I can see that too.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
'cause Marty I think is awonderful example of the
evolution of stoners and howthey're depicted in horror.
Yeah.
He is not Abu a bubbling idiot.
What do you call that?
A bumbling idiot.
I'm bumbling idiot.
Wow.
A bubbling idiot.

(01:01:41):
He's bubbling like a cauldron.
He, I mean, that's what my brainfeels like right now.
no, and it's funny'cause he is,not that, but we are so
brilliantly led to believe that,and then it just kind of, those
layers start to get peeled offand I love it.
You go into that movie seeingChris Hemsworth at the peak of

(01:02:02):
his, well not, I don't wanna saypeak of his fame, It's when he
like, had just really gotten onthe map.
He was the hot Aussie guy.
That guy usually, even if hewouldn't survive, would.
not die in that way.
He would make it to the end andmaybe sacrifice himself for the
final girl.
Exactly.
Or he would like make it and,and in 2000 tens movie, maybe
she would save him at the end.

(01:02:23):
Mm-hmm.
And he would invert it in thatway.
But in this, no, he justmotorcycles.
And then you're like, oh, wow,this is totally changing my
expectation of this characterand then therefore the other
characters.
and even with our Final girlcharacter, the cheekiness of the
archetype that she'srepresenting being the Virgin.
Mm-hmm.
And we learn at the beginning ofthe movie that she's having an

(01:02:45):
affair with her collegeprofessor.
And I just love the subversionof of, of that trope in there
too.
I think it's so fucking cheeky.
So cheeky.
Well, perception is reality.
So like if you're still,presenting that you're a virgin
and you have that virginalenergy, then maybe that's
enough.
we do what we can with what wehave.
Mm-hmm.
but I love that that Martyspecifically is the first one to

(01:03:08):
know what's going on and ends upbeing, in my opinion, the true
final girl of this movie.
Yes.
As final, as final Girls can getin this movie.
Right?
Yeah.
Just the idea that the stoner'sintuition is sometimes tapped
into, yes, you smoke weed oftento release stress and you know,

(01:03:29):
that's usually the goal.
Yeah.
But there are side effects thathappen that, people who don't
smoke weed don't understand, andthey're so happy to just believe
that we could never go there So,Seeing it tap into it in almost
a positive way to like, uh, youknow, uh, it, it enlightens you.
It, it triggers something thatisn't necess is, that's

(01:03:50):
considered a positive, uh,quality by the rest of society.
And not that like we need thatvalidation.
But yeah, in 2012, it wasactually really nice to see it.
It was refreshing.
Absolutely.
cause in my experience,oftentimes what happens to me, I
find that it lifts the veil onstuff and I actually see things
for what they are versus what myautopilot Yes.

(01:04:14):
Self believed it to be.
And I think that's also anotherthing too, Marty, the, the veil
is lifted.
he's like, yeah, what the fuckis going on?
and I think that's another sideeffect that a lot of people
don't realize.
I confront so many.
and this is probably gonna soundmore threatening than I mean it
to be.
But there's so much that Iconfront when I'm high mm-hmm.
That I otherwise would not seeif I wasn't high.

(01:04:35):
And that allows me to be 100%honest with myself I would, uh,
I wouldn't say I would bet mylife, but I would wager a lot of
money that at least one of thosedirectors or writers from that
film was a stoner.
And actually understood the, thepositivity that weed can bring
to some people because mm-hmm.
It was usually never portrayedpositively.

(01:04:55):
It was usually ambivalent.
A lot of the times it wasambivalent or like you're a
deadbeat.
Yeah.
Your life is just gonna go byand you're not gonna do anything
with it.
That's what they always say.
It's funny'cause as soon as yousaid that, at least one person
on, that crew had to have beenthe stoner my mind immediately
went to.
They all have to be, but Irealized, I'm looking at it
through today's standards.
'cause I feel like a lot morepeople, especially in the

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creative industry, shamelesslyand dare I say enthusiastically,
consume, but especially queerpeople.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, there's also just to, Iguess, tie it all together.
Mm-hmm.
The subversive nature ofcannabis, uh mm-hmm.
I think is also very relatableto.

(01:05:40):
the queer experience and thesubversion of that.
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
It's just like, these are twothings that we are told are sins
that we're told are bad.
They're gonna lead to terribledecisions, dah, dah, dah, dah.
Mm-hmm.
so being able to free yourselfof both of those.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Not shy away from the negativethings that other people would
say about you if you don'treally find them to be negative
or about the things that you do.

(01:06:01):
Mm-hmm.
Like if you enjoy weed and youfeel like you could smoke it
responsibly and the way that itaffects your nerves in being,
benefits you in life, then whogives a shit what other people
say about it?
Exactly.
Exactly.
You're not hurting nobody.
No.
And those people probably havenever tried it.
And if they have, you know, somepeople do smoke and it makes
them more paranoid or they can'tbe productive or it freaks them

(01:06:22):
out, or they have like ahistamine reaction.
There's plenty of valid reasonsto not like it, but, just
thinking that it's gonna leadtowards heroin in two years
automatically, or some otherhedonistic thing that a
Christian would think is wrong.
You're, you're just buying intothat old hype and you're just
feeding the propaganda machinebecause now, oh God, feeding the

(01:06:43):
propaganda machine.
Now I really sound like aconspiracy theorist.
No, I love it.
That's what I'm here for.
I'm the ancient aliens guy.
Now I need a, I need a good, Ineed a good wig.
I need the wig.
We'll get you one, No, but thatmakes sense.
It's all, yeah.
It's, it's all, it's a form ofcontrol at the end of the day.
Mm-hmm.
and the more you say that weedis like, you know, what, uh,

(01:07:05):
sacrilegious or terrible orgateway drug, whatever, all the
negative things that you would,associated with queer people
nowadays are getting moreconfident in who they are.
Mm-hmm.
And they're gonna see thosethings as like, you are telling
me that because you don't wantme to experience something that
you can't control because youdon't really know what it's like

(01:07:25):
or mm-hmm.
You are afraid of it.
And if I do it and you don'tunderstand it, it might open my
brain to something you can'tcomprehend.
Mm-hmm.
And that's why I love how queerpeople are embracing it so much
because heteronormative cultureis still like, mm, we like, yes,
there's a good budding stonerculture among heterosexual too.
Ah, but in percentages ofpeople, queer people, I would

(01:07:45):
say on average are more likelyto be a stoner.
There's just way more of them.
I'm just now realizing I don'tthink I hang out with enough
straight people to have realizedthat.
'cause in my mind, everybody,everybody's cool with it.
Mm-hmm.
And then I'm realizing, I'mlike, oh, you know what?
Like, I actually don't know.
I don't hang out with that many.
straight people.
So I have no idea what theirrelationship is with it, but I

(01:08:09):
just felt like in general, theworld is, is moving that way.
But I think's or something, butlike it's, it's more so in the
queer community.
Yeah.
But I think especially in the USright now, because of Trump,
it's one of those things thatthey don't like,, conservatives
don't want marijuanalegalization to happen.
Yeah.
And they, they feel like itthreatens too many industries

(01:08:29):
that they hold dear.
And also it's something theywould have to regulate because
they don't like it.
And they don't like regulations.
I'm not saying all regulationsare good, but they only wanna
regulate what they want toregulate and they only want to
put in effort when they wannaput in effort.
And so they're just gonna ban itso they don't have to work hard
And it's easier.
And this, I might sound like abitch when I say this.

(01:08:49):
It's easier to rally supportaround that when you're trying
to spin this enemy as being amoral.
Exactly like a morally corruptthing, because you're gonna have
more people willing to buy intothat perception because of their
own attachment to morality.
Mm-hmm.
And anything new is going to be,uh, a threat to the moral fabric
of society, and we cannot allowit.

(01:09:11):
So by all means, ban that shit.
Don't do it.
It's so funny that they say thatthey don't wanna regulate things
like they don't wanna regulateguns, but they'll regulate the
shit outta queer people'sexistence.
My God.
Mm-hmm.
Out of women's bodies, out queermm-hmm.
Existence, strands, bodies, allkinds of shit.
Yeah.
That's, that's all just Makingthings public enemies.
But, yeah.
To your point, what was your,what was I gonna say about your

(01:09:32):
point?
I don't even know what my pointwas.
I feel like I said like thetangent to the point.
Yeah.
But the original point got lostin the sternness, I'm right
there with you.
Mm-hmm.
it just comes down to like, ifyou like smoking weed, smoke
weed.
not everything is as morallycorrupt as they say it is.
They only say it's morallycorrupt because they want
control.
No, exactly.
And with that, keep carping onit.
You should question why.
Exactly.

(01:09:53):
That's, you know, that's exactlyit.
Start questioning why.
cause that's what I do.
Woo.
I think, I think it's time.
'cause I'm starting to get upthere.
Woo-hoo.
Me too.
I think it's time that we, bringthis home and do something.
I'm so excited to hear from you.
so listeners, Chris and I, haddecided on five horror movie

(01:10:15):
characters with possiblehonorable mentions, that we
think would be the best to smokewith.
should we just do like one at atime?
Sure.
You do one?
I do one.
Yeah.
Think we might have like onesthat overlap and then I can just
sub in an honorable mention ifyou have, there we go.
Yeah, because I do, I honestly,I would be surprised if we don't
have.
At least one overlap.

(01:10:36):
I think we're gonna have atleast one, So the first person
that I have on my nightmareblunt rotation should come at no
surprise to anybody who'salready listened to my franchise
episodes talking about Chucky.
my number one is Don Mancini.
I would love to just be in thesame room as him.
I am very much in love with DonMancini.
so that's a huge reason why, butalso I just love his fucking

(01:10:57):
mind.
I think he's brilliant.
I think he's so intelligent andI would love to just get high
and just ramble, converse withhim.
Just chill.
Mm-hmm.
Talk, hang out, fantasize aboutrandom stuff.
I mean, he's easy on the eyestoo.
Oh my gosh.
Yeah.
Maybe get a little kissconsensually.
Of course.
And he is queer too, so thatjust always adds another level

(01:11:18):
of relatability, consideringthere's not a ton of prominent
queer horror creators that havegotten that level of success.
Oh, no.
Not at all.
Obviously I look up to him as a,as a queer horror enthusiast and
creator.
so yeah, I just love him verymuch.
Don Mancini, if you ever seethis, if you smoke, let's hang

(01:11:38):
out.
can't believe it's not even aChucky episode.
And I'm working in my obsessionwith Don Mancini.
This is crazy.
I mean, it's fitting for who'sgonna be in my rotation as well.
Um, I'm gonna start with AnnieBracket from Halloween.
I related to that character evenas a kid.
Her mouth, just her quick wither ability to just read

(01:11:59):
someone, there was justsomething about her, like she's,
she's sassy.
She likes to smoke weed, butshe's also supportive of Lori
and also pushes Lori out of hercomfort zone.
Yeah.
And also just like, as far as asmoking thing, I just feel like
we would just smoke and make funof people together in a great
way.
Yeah.
And she wouldn't take it tooseriously, but like, she's not

(01:12:19):
just a total Goofball.
There's a, there's a, a, anintelligence and a reverence to
her that I really appreciate.
Damn.
I didn't even consider her.
That's great.
I love her.
I, I went with all charactersinstead of Oh people.
But I would also smoke withNancy Loomis who played her.
Why not Nancy, let's go.
Why not double up Buttercup?
I have two real people in mind,and then the rest are

(01:12:42):
characters, so.
Okay.
all right.
My next one.
This is so obvious.
it's not even, I don't know ifit has anything to do with the
fact that I would like talkingwith him, which I might, you
know, having mm-hmm.
been a working person myself,but I really just want him
around because I know I'm gonnaget hungry.
So I picked, chef Sleek from themenu.
Okay.

(01:13:02):
Yeah.
'cause listen, he can make, hecan make something wonderful out
of anything.
And I think, honestly, I dothink that I would get along
with him because he likes peoplewho are grounded in reality and
don't have their heads shoved sofar up their own asses.
Have you seen the menu?
Yes, I have.
Okay.
And it, Ray finds, right?
Yes.
Okay.
Yes, yes, yes.
And he's also easy on the eyes.

(01:13:23):
He is, I hate to say it this waybecause this might be offensive,
but he's one of those peoplethat I just find ugly hot.
Like, I don't, I don't wannasay, I know what you mean that
he's ugly, but I could easilysee how someone else could be
turned off by you.
But there's something about thatspecific quality on you
specifically that I'm like, Idon't know.
It works.
Mm-hmm.
So I get that from Ray Fines, Iget it though.

(01:13:45):
I think what it is is there'ssome people that have certain,
animal-like characteristics thatare traditionally not
attractive, that can also beattractive.
'cause there's still an animalelement to it.
I think Ray finds what's onthem.
Yeah.
There's kind of like a rat likequality.
That also sounds kind of mean.
There is, but I know, but Ithink most people can relate to
that.
I have definitely seen otherpeople say there's something

(01:14:07):
about him, but like mm-hmm.
The way that they're talkingabout it, I can tell though,
what they're really saying is,yeah, normally I feel like
someone with these features, I'dbe like, mm-hmm.
Okay, my second one is, CECooper as portrayed by Sarah
Michelle Geller in screen two.
Oh, omega Beda.
Mega Beta Zeta.
Omega beta Something is up atOmega Bay to Sayta.
Police are everywhere.

(01:14:28):
Oh my God.
Yeah.
I, okay.
I was obsessed.
You're so good at this withSarah Michelle Geller in
obviously 1997 is her banneryear.
She had Oh, yeah.
Buffy Premiere that year.
I know we did last summer.
And scream too.
I mean, literally, is there amore iconic year for anyone?
Meryl Streep move over?
she is like my, like envy root.

(01:14:49):
There's something about her bodylanguage that I liked to mimic
as a young, like queer.
in all of those things, like inBuffy, she was a little more,
uh, gruff and hard, but she wasstill feminine.
And not that you need to be anyof those things, but at the
time, that was revolutionary.
She was a prickly woman and shewas not like, I don't know, the

(01:15:10):
girl next door.
And in the nineties it was like,yeah, a cynical time.
But the lead was always like aClarissa type, Cece in
particular though so good, isjust sassy.
And she had good film taste Whenthey said in whatever, in their
little film class, one of theguys is the Godfather part two
when he's pointing to a bettersequel and she's like, Uhhuh.
Yeah.
Well there's no accounting fortaste, no accounting for taste.

(01:15:31):
And I agree with her because Iabsolutely prefer the first
Godfather, And also that amazingoutfit that she was wearing.
There's something about thatcharacter, like the film
knowledge and what she lookedlike and the SAS altogether.
And it's Sarah Michelle Gellerin 1997.
Like yeah, I definitely wannaget high with her and talk film
and talk shit.
Oh you are so good at this.
It's pissing me off in a goodway.

(01:15:52):
Thank you.
My last one's gonna be funny.
I got a funny choice in heretoo.
Oh goodness.
We'll see, I'm gonna laugh if,if you're last one and my last
one of the same.
My next one, I'm gonna hop backto a real person.
I selected Rachel.
True.
She's the actress that Yes.
She's from the Craft.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
I love Rachel.
True.
I see her like, she's in allkinds of horror documentaries

(01:16:13):
and stuff, and I just love, justthe way she talks about stuff I
think is so funny.
She reads tarot.
She has her own tarot deck.
Oh, good for her.
Yeah.
I've, she's been a judge on Dulaand she just has such good
energy.
Exactly.
She just has, that's exactly it.
She's the kind of energy that Iwould just love to be around
while I smoke.
'cause it'd be, I'd feel veryheld.

(01:16:33):
I'd feel very like mm-hmm.
Safe.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, but also entertained and Ijust, I think she's fun.
Okay.
So my third one would be EllenRipley okay.
It's because of the like queernon-binary coding.
Like, I feel like I, I couldpull it out of her like, come
on, Ellen, come out, like, talkto me.

(01:16:55):
But also she seems likeintrospective and I feel like
she'd be the one blow my mind.
she would just come up with anew concept in astronomy while
high and I would be like, oh myGod.
Mm-hmm.
And I just feel like, on thatgenderless level too, we could
have good conversation.
She just seems so fluid andlike, like a feminist character

(01:17:15):
of the time, but also I feellike gender didn't matter to
her.
No, I would agree.
Or them.
Or them.
To them or them.
Yeah.
I agree with you 100%.
I can totally see Ripley beingthat person that's just gonna
drop out of nowhere, a truthbomb.
And you'll be like, oh shit.
Yeah, she'll be quiet for likean hour and then just uhhuh the
most poetic shit ever.

(01:17:36):
And you be, oh, All right.
My fourth one, this one I puther on literally last minute.
Next person I have, I think isjust a practical person to have
there.
And that's Megan.
I mean, it's kind of likesmoking with a video game.
It would just be veryentertaining again.
But also, from a safetyperspective, she can keep an eye

(01:17:56):
on all of my vitals to make sureI'm doing good.
That's true.
You know, and she coulddefinitely entertain you with
some of that dancing.
Absolutely.
We can make some tiktoks.
I'd get famous, so, oh my God,yes.
I think Megan would be awonderful, person to smoke with.
And it would be so also fun tojust like dress her up.
Oh my God, absolutely.

(01:18:17):
Because her outfit was prettyfabulous, but I feel like we
could step out of that, likebaby doll thing and, you know,
into something else.
I think they're doing that withthe next one, this next trailer.
I only saw part of it, but itlooks like something completely
different.
Okay, so my fourth one is SueAnn from ma.
Just because one, I wanna laughat the Isha hair under my
breast, the On a deep level, Ifeel like, I can relate to Sue

(01:18:40):
Ann's trauma and we could havelike a healing moment.
I try to round out the type ofpeople in the group.
We had the sassy one, thefashiony one, the, the profound
one, and she's the one that youjust, you know, we sue Ann needs
the we to heal.
Mm-hmm.
And then also we could dance toDebbie, Deb all night long and
I'd be so fucking happy.

(01:19:00):
and her reads are funny too.
Like, I would just, honestly, Iwould, if for some reason my
plan didn't work out and I couldnot get into Sue Ann's mind and
help her out, then I'll justtorture teenagers with her, you
know?
And we'll have a good timeregardless.
Not you going into this smokesession.
Like, I can fix her.
That's so fucking funny.

(01:19:20):
Oh, Sue Ann.
I thought that you were, whenyou said Sue Ann, my heart
jumped because my last person,this is such a hail Mary.
Mm-hmm.
but hear me out.
my fifth I ideal person to smokewith is Stro a Liz Sue.
Okay.
Because A, I just think she'sneat.
I fucking love monsters.

(01:19:41):
Liz.
She just as a thing that existsin this planet.
Me too.
But I feel like she's exactlythe kind of person, that will
let me feel comfortable beingmyself.
I could be genuinely authentic.
Mm-hmm.
Because she is, and it justgives me that permission to just
like she was living for herselfat the end.

(01:20:02):
I fucking love her whole partwhere she's getting primped up
and shoving the earrings in herown skin.
Getting those 14 strands alittle more curled, a little bit
more curled.
I love that sequence so much.
And that's what kind of made mewanna add her into my smoke
session because I just think itwould just be very wholesome and

(01:20:22):
very it authentic.
And she has two faces.
That's true.
Oh my God.
We could do a double shotguntoo.
That would be sick.
that's a great choice.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
my last choice is mm-hmm.
Who I lovingly referred to andNickey as well as th russy from

(01:20:42):
hell raiser AKA, the femaleeNote and that female Sena byte
is, which she's officiallycalled.
And because I just need to seethat.
I just need to see it happenthat, how would it go exactly
like to the neck, the, becauseif she hid it from here, would
it just come out here?
Does she have control to likejust let it pass and not

(01:21:05):
actually come out these lips?
Like can she do a double?
and again, I mean more funopportunities for shotgunning
not to get gross or anything,but shit.
No, for sure.
Although I don't think it woulddo anything for her though.
cause it would just go no righton out.
No, that would suck.
Maybe she, at that point, she'sjust a human type.
She just pinches these lips thenshe could just, you know, she's
just gotta hold them.
That's true.
But I'm thinking yeah, if thethy isn't blown out, then it

(01:21:28):
might have the integrity to notallow liquid through.
Yeah, I don't know.
She's been doing this for eons.
That's true.
It might, might be the thy seensome action.
Yeah, it probably has.
Excellent.
Oh my God, that's so fuckingfunny.
I have to throw her.
She was the first one I thoughtof because I was just, oh, I
need to see it.
That was it.
I just, I need to see it.

(01:21:49):
I just need to understand themechanics of how it would work.
Yes.
Fuck yeah.
All right.
So that was fucking great.
Oh, actually, I'm gonna ask you,do you have some honorable
mentions?
Oh, yes I do.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
So, uh, I didn't put these'causeI feel like it's a little
obvious for me, but I'm gonna doit anyway.
And you mentioned Don Manzini.

(01:22:10):
Mm-hmm.
Both Chucky and Tiffany.
Mm-hmm.
Or even as a human being,specifically Jennifer Tilly for
Tilly.
Yep.
Yeah, I mean, there's justsomething about Jennifer Tilly.
Like, I saw her the first time Iactually saw her was in Liar,
liar.
And I was like, who is thiswoman?
And when I looked her up, shewas like 15 years older than I
thought she was.
And I was like, my God.
Mm-hmm.

(01:22:30):
Her jeans are fantastic.
Her titties in that yellow suit,I think it was yellow.
And then I saw her inbound and Iwas like, oh.
And she's clearly down with thegaze because she is fine playing
one of us very well.
Mm-hmm.
And then I saw her in Brian ofChucky and I was like, goddess.
I just, I just love her.
Mm-hmm.
And obviously Tiffany and Chuckyare just foul mouth little

(01:22:54):
fucks, and I would love to gethigh with them.
I would take the risk.
I mean, hopefully you can getsome of Tiffany's Swedish
meatballs, you know?
Oh, yes.
Jennifer Tilley slash Tiffany isalso on my Honorable mentions
list.
Okay.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, for sure.
I'm with you there.
on mine, I pretty much, I, for,I almost selected one ULA girly.

(01:23:14):
Mm-hmm.
But then I realized that Icouldn't pick just one, I love
so many of them.
Yeah.
Which one?
I wrote down, uh, just DulaBabes, bitch Puddin, Coco
Cocaine, Fantasia Al Gaga.
Oh yes.
Valletta and Asia Consent.
Yeah.
That's my drag little rotationright there.
God, I love Asia.
I was so glad she won.
Me too.
I also love, I love BitchPudding too.

(01:23:37):
I'm excited for this season.
I'm just glad that it's stillgoing.
I was, I watched the first, I, Istarted watching it shortly
after the first season aired.
My one friend who's a drag queenin Chicago was like, you like
horror.
You should watch this.
So I was like there for seasontwo when it started.
So seeing it evolve.
So it evolved so quickly.
So, um, you know, so fat, mygod, I am high.

(01:24:00):
So much, so quickly.
There we go.
I'm just happy to see it's stillgoing and the boule are making
enough money that they can givethe prizes away themself so they
don't have to get corporatebullshit sponsors that taint it
too much.
So yeah, that's what Iappreciate there.
Same, I didn't get into it untilseason.
Season four was the first onethat I, well, the resurrection,
oh.
Thing was, oh my God, seasonfour was the season of the

(01:24:22):
drama.
I, it's my favorite season, I'mnot gonna lie.
Season four is like mm-hmm.
It's very up there for me.
It's also, again, there's that,that nostalgia of like, this is
the first one that I watchedmm-hmm.
Live in real time.
So I do like that one a lot too.
that was fucking great.
To recap, my dream bluntrotation, I have Don Mancini,

(01:24:42):
creator of the Chucky Series,Rachel True.
The actress from the craft.
Chef Julian.
Sleek from the menu.
Megan from Megan and Stro ESUfrom the Substance.
And I have Annie bracket fromHalloween, CE Cooper from Scream
two.
Ellen Ripley from Alien SueAnnfrom Ma and Threesy from

(01:25:04):
Hellraiser, AKA, the femaleSenta Byte, the female one.
That's a, that's a group of badbitches right there.
God, I wish I could make ithappen, but they're not real.
We'll figure it out.
I can try to make at least twoof mine happen.
All the actress are still alivethough.
That's true.
Oh, all right.
I think that's it.
Was there anything else that youwanted to say?

(01:25:26):
I don't know.
Everybody smoke some weed if youhaven't.
And see, decide if you like itbefore you make a judgment on
it.
you go.
Yeah.
You don't have to smoke it, butif you don't.
Don't judge the people that do,because let me tell you, the
amount of people that are actingway more peaceful than they
would otherwise because ofcannabis, Is immense and mm-hmm.

(01:25:48):
It saves lives, let me tell you.
Mm-hmm.
let those people have itbecause, my God, they're taking
away so much shit from us rightnow, and it might be next, but
it's still here, so at least inthe US so let's have fun with it
while we got it.
Exactly.
And like yeah, to your point,you don't have to enjoy weed to
be pro weed, you know?
Exactly.
Yeah.
At, at the, at the end of theday, so many problems would be

(01:26:11):
solved if it was just like, justdo what you like and let other
people do what they like.
Yeah.
And mind just, that's it.
That's it.
Exactly.
As long as they're not gettinglike blasted high and then like
operating a bulldozer, let'embe, you know?
Exactly.
Exactly.
Let me just like watch horrormovies in peace.

(01:26:32):
Shit.
excellent parting message.
Excellent, excellent.
So, before we wrap up, Chris,where can our listeners find
you?
You could find us on Instagram.
My god, that took a second toremember what that was called,
um, at Queer Horror.
Hi.
Oh, there, it's, and you canfind my personal account at, at

(01:26:53):
zombie threesome on Instagram aswell.
There we go.
Damn Right.
So I also have a new Instagramaccount, but there's nothing on
it yet, so we don't have, wedon't have to stay tuned duties.
Mm-hmm.
Excellent.
Well, again, follow Queer HorrorHigh.
I cannot say it enough.
I fucking love these two.
I would love, I'm hoping to haveyou and Nickey both one day, if

(01:27:15):
it ever works out.
I hope so too.
I let her know.
Okay, great.
'cause you two are a lot of fun.
So dear sweet listeners, givethem a follow.
Trust me, it's worth it.
and then of course you can findme crybaby at crying in public.
That's crying without the gunderscore in, underscore
public.
And don't forget to followhorror icon that's horror

(01:27:35):
spelled with an H.
Oh, well of course it's spelledwith an H.
It's horror.
Horror spelled with a WH JesusChrist.
If you're here, you already knowhow to spell it.
Weed.
So weed.
Yes.
So again, Chris, thank you somuch for spending some time with
me and taking, the afternoon tojust get high and talk about
horror with me.
I had so much fun and I'm soglad that you joined me.

(01:27:58):
I did too.
I can't believe we've been onhere so long.
It just flew by.
I know.
It was a great time.
It was a wonderful time.
So thank you so much, Chris andto you Cuties.
We'll see you soon.
Until then, don't be scaredunless you're into that sort of
thing.
Bye bye.

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