Seed of Chucky

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CryBaby (00:00):
it's, I, I, when I was watching it, I was thinking, oh,

(00:02):
it's the ejaculate conception.

Donnie (00:04):
The Ejaculate conception.
Well, that's another hashtag forthis episode.
That's pretty

CryBaby (00:09):
Hashtag ejaculate conception baby.
What is your book of Well,hanging out with your Smartest
and Funniest Friend.
You know me, I'll kill anybody,but.

(00:32):
Hey, cuties, and welcome to Horror Icon, your
queer playground for all thingsscary, sexy, and stupid.
You know me, I'm crybaby, thespooky slut from your wettest
nightmare, and we have with ustoday.
Hey,

Donnie (00:45):
Hi everybody.
I'm Donnie I am the kind oftrans man you'd like to take
home to meet your parents.

CryBaby (00:51):
damn right.
Hi, Donnie.
Donnie, might I say you'relooking wonderful today.
I'm living for this hat.

Donnie (00:59):
thank you so much.
Thank you very much.
It's my, uh, my cowboy.
I.
Fantasy, which I don't actuallyhave, uh,'cause I'm from New
York, but I do look good in thishat.

CryBaby (01:09):
Yeah, you do.
I have a, I I've seen, I've seenyou perform in this hat before,
right?

Donnie (01:14):
I Yes you have.
You've seen me do some drag inthis hat.

CryBaby (01:17):
Okay.
I thought so.
I thought so.
'cause it, it looks familiar.
I love the horns.
Those are horns, right?

Donnie (01:23):
Those are horns.
Yeah.
My, my little devil horns.

CryBaby (01:26):
we're feeling a horny baby.
You're

Donnie (01:29):
Always.
I'm a Scorpio.

CryBaby (01:31):
That's true.
Mighty intense.
Scorpio rising here, so weconnect on that shit.

Donnie (01:36):
absolutely.

CryBaby (01:38):
But yes, welcome back, Donnie.
Uh, as always, it's a pleasureto have you here.

Donnie (01:44):
My pleasure.
It's a pleasure to be here.

CryBaby (01:46):
Yes.
And of course, welcome to mylisteners.
Welcome back if you've beenlistening regularly, and thank
you for being here.
And if you're just finding us,welcome, welcome to the show.
Again, I listen y'all, I'm notgood at this whole like, like,
and subscribe and hit thenotification thing.
It's just, I, it just doesn'tfeel natural to me.

(02:08):
I, um, so I'm just.

Donnie (02:09):
that subscribe button.

CryBaby (02:11):
I know, I'm just gonna say it right now.
Like, subscribe, help us grow,protect queer art, right?
Yes.
We're, we're making queer art.
We are making community.
So the more you subscribe, themore you share stuff like that,
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And also the easier it is for meto make money off of this so I
can continue to pay queerartists because we want to pay

(02:34):
the community, right?

Donnie (02:35):
Yes.
Yes we do.
Absolutely.

CryBaby (02:38):
1000%.

Donnie (02:39):
liked, so just give us those likes because we gotta get
that dopamine from someone.

CryBaby (02:45):
I am a validation whore.
I love a compliment.
I love external validation.
Oh my God, Donnie, did I tellyou?
I finally started getting nicecomments on the videos.
I.

Donnie (02:57):
Hey.
No, I didn't know that.
That's amazing.

CryBaby (03:00):
Yes.
Okay.
I mean, it wasn't a lot, it waslike a couple, but, these people
were very nice.
They're just like, oh my God, Ilove you, da da da da.
You're very underrated.
And I'm like, thank you.
That's such a, that's, I am veryunderrated.
It's such a departure from like,people saying that they're like
throwing up in their mouth orlike, that they wanted to watch

(03:20):
the video, but my voice pissedthem off.
So

Donnie (03:23):
oh one,

CryBaby (03:25):
I did get one of those.
But listen, it's fine.
as a thicker queer person, and Idon't wanna say I'm used to it,
as in it's like I'm justifyingthe behavior and it's fine.
It's more so like, I'm used toit in the sense of just like, it
doesn't bother me anymore.
it carries no weight.

Donnie (03:41):
Unlike me, which carries a lot of weight as a thicker
queer person.

CryBaby (03:47):
Love it.
Oh goodness.
Well, yes.
Anyway, all that to be said,everybody, thank you for being
here.
We're happy you're here.
And if you're returning, you mayremember last week we covered
the Queer Cult Classic Bride ofChucky.
How was that for you?
Yes.
Queer Cult Classic.
How was that for you, Donnie?

Donnie (04:07):
It was a surprising journey, but it was wonderful.
Very always glad to talk aboutanything that has Jennifer Tilly
in it.

CryBaby (04:14):
Mm-hmm.
And we get to continue thattoday, baby, because we're
talking about speed of Chucky

Donnie (04:19):
Yes.

CryBaby (04:21):
ar arguably the most blatantly queer film in the
franchise.

Donnie (04:29):
Oh, without a doubt.

CryBaby (04:30):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (04:32):
We're not playing around there.

CryBaby (04:32):
Not at all.
So, let me go ahead.
I'm gonna read for you allanother crybaby synopsis.
again from the heart.
So I hope you enjoy.
We're going to Hollywood Babywith this week's movie, seed of
Chucky, 50% family drama, 50%slasher satire, 100% Queer Fever

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Dream.
This movie follows the titularseed of Chucky Glen slash
Glenda, a sweet, anxious Britishdoll.
Uh, searching for their place inthe world after seeing Chucky's
dead body being used as ananimatronic puppet In the new
upcoming slash year, Chucky goesPsycho.

(05:16):
Glenn breaks out of a freak showgoes to Hollywood and resurrects
the murderous duo, Chucky andTiffany.
Meta chaos ensues.
As Chucky and Tiffany navigatetheir newfound parenthood, Glen
finds themselves in the midst ofa gender identity crisis and a
murder spree.
And Jennifer Tilley attempts tosleep her way into the role of

(05:37):
the Virgin Mary, a role thatwill most certainly give her the
Oscar.

Donnie (05:42):
Well done.
Definitely right from the heart.

CryBaby (05:44):
thank you.
I have a lot of fun writingthese.
I don't know what it is.
I feel like I get to get some ofmy, um, I mean, I wouldn't even
say it's frustration, but, youknow, I just get to, I get to
read like, not like read fromthe page, but I get to like be a
little sassy, you know?

Donnie (05:59):
Read.
Right, right.

CryBaby (06:00):
E.
Exactly.
So seed of Chucky.
Donnie, How do you feel aboutseed of Chucky?

Donnie (06:07):
A seed of Chucky is a carnival nightmare of just meta
ridiculousness and queersexuality.
I mean, it's not pulling anypunches when it comes to being a
very, very gay film, to thepoint that it even has the
phenomenal John Waters in it.

CryBaby (06:26):
Oh

Donnie (06:26):
it's just, just with his addition to the cast.
The movie got like gayer.
I say 29, but maybe more likeIt's super gay.
It's my second favorite in theseries.

CryBaby (06:40):
I absolutely love that because, and hold on, let me
turn my lights up real quick.
'cause I realize it's prettylow.
There we go.
Lighting adjustment, everybody.
No.
It's so funny because, I feellike outside of the queer
community, this is everyone'slike least favorite Chucky
movie,

Donnie (06:57):
I

CryBaby (06:57):
but

Donnie (06:58):
you on that.
Yeah.

CryBaby (06:59):
inside of the queer community, I have yet to find a
queer person that doesn't lovethis movie.

Donnie (07:05):
I don't think I have either.
And I, I'm not saying I don'tlove it, I just happen to like
bride of Chucky a little bitmore.
But, there's a lot to be saidfor how self-aware it is and I
think that that's hysterical.

CryBaby (07:17):
I would agree a million times over.
oh, and speaking of self-aware,I forgot to mention everybody.
If you're watching this video.
I'm half baked right now, andfor those of you who aren't
familiar with the term halfbaked, I'm like partially in
drag, but not like, fully indrag.
I'm not wearing a wig.
I'm not wearing my tits.

(07:38):
I'm just kind of chilling here,having a good time.
I felt like it was a props,

Donnie (07:42):
Oh, it totally is.
Plus

CryBaby (07:43):
like

Donnie (07:43):
for hair.
Are you kidding me?

CryBaby (07:45):
tell me about it.
Oh my God.
last week I got a last minutegig with the boy Diva.
Do you know the boy Diva?
Donnie?

Donnie (07:51):
I don't think we've ever met.

CryBaby (07:53):
So, boy Diva is like a wrestling drag queen, and they
hit me up last week and theywere just like, Hey, do you want
to do this gig?
Just come in, do a number, do alip sync battle.
And this was my first time doinga lip sync battle first off.
So I was terrified.
Um, and they were just like.
You know, preferably keep itlike wrestling related.

(08:13):
So I went full eighties trashy,like aerobics, uh, like
instructor.
It was pretty, I loved itactually.
It was so trashy.

Donnie (08:22):
Perfect.

CryBaby (08:23):
But the hair was so fricking hot.
You have no idea how happy I wasto rip that off of my head
during my number, y'all.
It was.

Donnie (08:33):
You just need to get that hot wig off your head and
this humidity, are you kidding

CryBaby (08:38):
Mm-hmm.
Well, thankfully I did have, itwas part of a reveal.
Like I was just like,

Donnie (08:42):
for a reveal.
Excellent.

CryBaby (08:44):
it was strategic.
Yeah.
So I, you know, I spray paintedmy hair underneath, so it was
like bright green, still fit thetheme, but this hair, it was big
and teased and pink, and it wasswallowing my neck and I was
sweating all over the place.
So yeah, I could not wait forthat reveal.
But what wasn't, isn'tintentional.
My heel, broke 30 seconds intothe Lip sync battle.

(09:04):
And when I say broke, I don'tmean a cute little, uh, no.
The entire sole of my boot cameoff.

Donnie (09:12):
Wow.

CryBaby (09:13):
It was wild.
So that was when I just, I wasjust like, you know what?
This is my first lip syncbattle.
I don't care what the outcomeis.
I'm just gonna go feral.
I'm going to, embrace the chaosthat has already fallen upon me.
And the crowd loved it.
And I won.

Donnie (09:31):
You won.
Congratulations.

CryBaby (09:33):
Yeah, me and the queen I was up against were joking,
just like, oh yeah.
It was like totally a penny win.
I don't think so.
I can perform the house down,but.

Donnie (09:42):
of course you can.
Even with one heel.

CryBaby (09:45):
Yes, with one boot.

Donnie (09:47):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (09:48):
you talking about how it's too hot for hair made me
think about that.
So I just had to share thatlittle tidbit of information
with everybody.
But yeah, so I'm half bakedright now.
And I'm very comfortable andhonestly I kind of like it.
There's something that I loveabout a drag artist, like not
fully in drag, like with abackwards cap, but like painted
like this.
I would just go out like this.

Donnie (10:09):
You should.
You're in Brooklyn.
You'll be fine.

CryBaby (10:11):
That's true.
That's very, very true.
Oh gosh.
Anyway, so many tangents alreadyDonnie.

Donnie (10:18):
I know, how are we gonna get through this?

CryBaby (10:20):
Uh,

Donnie (10:21):
in and of itself is one giant tangent.

CryBaby (10:23):
that's true.
Okay, so we're on brand, we'reon theme.
We're good to go.
Do you have any tangents thatyou wanna throw into the pot
before we jump into my funlittle fact toys?
I.

Donnie (10:33):
Um, nothing at the moment that I can think of, but
I'm sure as you're talking Iwill come up with one

CryBaby (10:40):
Please feel free just to be like, oh, tangent.
I'll be like, yes, yes, yes,yes.
Okay, so next, um, I think Iwanna talk a little bit about
some production stuff.
You know, spill some tea orbitch the pot as I love to say.

Donnie (10:57):
bitch, the pot.

CryBaby (10:58):
bitch, the pot baby, that's my favorite term.
Instead of like, spill the tea,it's bitch the pot.

Donnie (11:03):
I've never not heard bitch the pot, but I'm gonna
absolutely start using that.

CryBaby (11:07):
It's okay.
So I saw it on the internet, soit's up for grabs whether or not
it's actually true.
But, I read this thing about howit was Victorian speak for like
pouring tea for like brewingsome tea.
It was called Bitching the Pot.
So I'm just like, girl, bitch,the pot, why not embrace it?
So let's bitch the pot together,everybody.

Donnie (11:29):
let's hashtag bitch the pot.

CryBaby (11:30):
Yeah.
So, So, seed of Chucky, wasreleased in 2004 and it was the
last, uh, Chucky movie to bereleased in theaters.

Donnie (11:38):
Wow.
It was really,

CryBaby (11:39):
Yeah.
'cause Curse and Colt, uh, thoseones were straight to video or
whatever.

Donnie (11:45):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (11:46):
which is wild because those ones are great, great,
great movies.
Yeah, I would've loved to haveseen them in the theater.
anyway, um, this is also SweetDaddy Don Mancini's directorial
debut.

Donnie (12:00):
Finally.

CryBaby (12:02):
Mm-hmm.
I know.
I think that's of course,obviously that's one of the
reasons why it's GGG gay.
'cause he not only wrote it, buthe directed it.

Donnie (12:12):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (12:13):
Um, let's see what else we.

Donnie (12:14):
all up in that.

CryBaby (12:16):
He does.
And aren't we happy?
'cause he, he swings big.
I love that about him.
He swings fucking big and hedoes that with this movie.

Donnie (12:24):
Yes, absolutely.
And uh, I know we made itfurther than we usually do
Before you mentioned him byname.

CryBaby (12:31):
It's'cause I got distracted by like my wrestling
gig and my broken heel andstuff.
Trust.
If I didn't go on thosetangents, it would've been like
the third thing outta my mouthand hopefully the first thing in
my mouth.
Nope.
Oh, sorry.

Donnie (12:43):
Oh no.
Oops.
This is a family show.

CryBaby (12:47):
Oh goodness.
That's the second horny commentwe've gotten today and we're
only what, 10 minutes in?
Geez.
All right, so we have, GlenGlenda, who is voiced by, uh,
Billy Boyd, who is uh, yeah,

Donnie (13:03):
Rings fame.
Love that guy.

CryBaby (13:06):
exactly.
For all my nerds out there.
You can enjoy that.

Donnie (13:09):
For your nerds.
Yeah.

CryBaby (13:10):
Um, he does a great job though.
I, I love the, the sweetearnestness that he brings to
Glen and Glenda.
It works really well.

Donnie (13:18):
Oh, it's adorable.
Yeah.
He's got such a cute voice.
I mean, he'll, he's like aforever hobbit.

CryBaby (13:23):
Yeah.
Yeah, very much so.
And again, it works for, itworks for g I'm just gonna call
them Gigi from now on.
Glen.
Glenda, I'm just gonna say Gigi.
'cause ultimately that's kind ofhow they land.
So is, if everyone's on boardwith me, I mean, you can't
respond sweet dear listeners,but we're just calling them Gigi
from now on.
Okay?
Yes.

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fun fact.
Did you know that, ChrisSarandon was originally
approached to be in this movie,detective Mike Norris from the
first one?

Donnie (13:51):
from the first movie.
How would that have fit intothis?

CryBaby (13:54):
don't know.
I wanted to ask you, like, howdo you think that, how do you
think Chris Sarandon would'vefit into this?
Do you think he would've beenlike.
A meta Hollywood star or do youthink it would've been Mike
Norris outside of the world ofChucky in Hollywood?
Like

Donnie (14:07):
Well, the idea of him being a meta Hollywood star is
appealing because if he wereplaying reprising his first, the
character from the first film, Ithink it would stick out like a
sore thumb.
It wouldn't make any sense.
Like, why, why is he here?
This kind of boring pop in themiddle of all these bright
colors and exciting, sillinessthat's happening.
Um, but if he had played playingthe cop, which I wouldn't put

(14:31):
past on Mancini to have writteninto the script, that would've
been pretty cool equal.

CryBaby (14:34):
Yeah, that's a good point.
You're right.
Detective Mike Norris is like awheat thin and a bag of flaming
hot Cheetos.
It's just,

Donnie (14:41):
That's exactly, those were the words I was looking
for.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (14:47):
yeah.
So, I, I would, he couldn't doit of course,'cause there was
scheduling conflicts, butthere's a small part of me
that's just like, hmm.
What if, what could have been,and also speaking of what could
have been, and I have mixedfeelings about this not
happening, but the part thatRedman plays the, you know,
'cause he's directing, thatmovie was originally written for

(15:08):
Quentin Tarantino.

Donnie (15:11):
Oh, wow.
Yeah,

CryBaby (15:12):
Yes.
That is, obviously QuentinTarantino like turned it down.
But it's one of those thingswhere I'm just like, I don't
particularly care for QuentinTarantino as a human being,
however, I do feel like thispart would've been, I feel like
he would've been really good forthis part.

(15:33):
The sleazy director.
Like,

Donnie (15:36):
Oh, it fits perfectly.

CryBaby (15:37):
yeah.

Donnie (15:39):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (15:40):
So it's just like, do I want to give Quentin Tarantino
space in this queer landscapethat's being built?
No.
But do I want the opportunityfor there to be like a
magnifying glass held up to thisman's behavior?
Yes.
I,

Donnie (15:55):
Absolutely.
I wish there were, you know, aparallel universe we could step
into, so we could just see thisversion of the film that could
have been made.
You know?

CryBaby (16:04):
yeah, I'll figure out a way to make that happen.
but yeah, that's, that's, that'sthe, the, the, the pot bitching,
I guess is what we'll call it.

Donnie (16:13):
The pot.

CryBaby (16:14):
Consider the pot bitched.
that's all the fun informationthat I have for this one.
So, We can get, just jump righton into, just talking about the
movie.
Obviously everybody, it goeswithout saying spoiler alert,
and I'm just gonna throw thisout here right now.
Every movie that we talk abouton this podcast that is not a
new release is there's going tobe spoilers.

(16:35):
I don't feel, yeah.
Not to be a bitch, but I don'tthink I have to say like, Hey,
spoiler alerts for this moviethat came out 21 years ago.
Um,

Donnie (16:46):
years ago, my God,

CryBaby (16:49):
Oh God,

Donnie (16:49):
old.

CryBaby (16:50):
Yes.
It's, no, I think we all aregetting old.

Donnie (16:55):
I guess, I guess it does happen simultaneously,

CryBaby (16:57):
Um, yes.
We're all in tandem here, yeah.
So needless to say, spoilerwarning, right off the jump, We
open up this film with semenJust come,

Donnie (17:09):
Uhhuh, which I ha reminded me of the movie.
Look, who's talking with, uh,

CryBaby (17:14):
Chris.

Donnie (17:15):
and Alley.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (17:17):
Oh, that aged like milk.

Donnie (17:19):
Ooh.

CryBaby (17:20):
That cast did kind of age like milk.
Unfortunately that sucks'cause Idid like that movie.
But you're right.
The look who's talking.

Donnie (17:25):
The whole opening sequence is like, not shot for
shot, but it's certainly veryfamiliar, very reminiscent of
Luc who's talking.

CryBaby (17:33):
Very, it's, I, I, when I was watching it, I was
thinking, oh, it's the ejaculateconception.

Donnie (17:39):
The Ejaculate conception.
Well, that's another hashtag forthis episode.
That's pretty

CryBaby (17:44):
Hashtag ejaculate conception baby.
Um, yeah, no, we get, some CGsperms.
this is clearly, how Gigi iscoming to be.
It's fun, you know, it's, Ithink this opening sequence
alone lets you know everythingthat you need to know about what
this movie's gonna be.

Donnie (18:03):
what you're about to get yourself into.
Yes, definitely.

CryBaby (18:06):
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
And of course, and then fromthere, there's that whole scene
with the, like the Halloweenhomage with like that nuclear
family.

Donnie (18:16):
Right, right.
with Gigi waking up andpresented to a little girl, and
the girl's like totallydisappointed with this ugly doll
that she gets.

CryBaby (18:25):
Yes.

Donnie (18:25):
watch from Gigi's perspective as they go about the
house and they kill the mom anddad.

CryBaby (18:30):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (18:30):
I feel like I still need to say spoiler alert, even
though we just said we're notgoing to say that.

CryBaby (18:35):
You all already got a spoiler alert.

Donnie (18:37):
yeah, I don't have to say it anymore.
Um, it, it is very Halloween.

CryBaby (18:42):
Also, I'm pretty sure this is the only movie that has
nudity in the Chucky franchise,if I'm not mistaken.
'cause the mama falls out of theshower and it's, titty city.

Donnie (18:55):
You might be right.
I, I feel like I just saw, Ifeel like I saw boobs in bride
of Chucky, but I might've, itmight've just been wishful
thinking.
I.

CryBaby (19:03):
They were in the corset.
I think it's just, it, it's hardto, it's hard to have Jennifer
till on screen and not thinkboobs.

Donnie (19:12):
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's entirely possible that Iwas just getting ahead of
myself.

CryBaby (19:16):
Maybe, but yeah, this is, we get two sets of titties.
We get this one and then we getsome doll titties later with,
Tiffany, which is super funny.
But yeah, this whole sequence isso unserious, especially with
how it ends
and now you are pissing your,you are pissing your pants.
You are pants.

Donnie (19:39):
Poor sensitive, sweet Gigi.

CryBaby (19:41):
I know these nightmares, like I would, I
would hate to have nightmareslike that just to be, just red
and shadow on by a, a littleBritish girl, God.

Donnie (19:53):
The murdering part is totally cool.
It's

CryBaby (19:55):
Oh, that's fine.

Donnie (19:56):
part with the British kid that's not so good.

CryBaby (19:58):
Okay.
Exactly.
we meet Gigi, who is veryclearly going through an
existential crisis.
Like right off the bat, we'reintroduced to this sweet but
confused, Character, this newaddition to the Chucky
landscape.
How do you feel about Gigi atthis point?

Donnie (20:14):
fascinated, curious to see what happens next.
Little concerned about the Madein China sticker or, or whatever
it

CryBaby (20:20):
the maid in Japan one.
Yeah.

Donnie (20:22):
in Japan.
That's it, you know, I'm alittle worried about the Made in
Japan brand, but, uh, we'll seewhere that goes.

CryBaby (20:29):
Yeah.
I am, I'm glad you mentionedthat because I, I think the last
time we talked about this movie,we brought this up.
Just this, um, oh, yikes.
Uh, problematic.
Yeah.
Which, uh, it's another, it'skind of like the heart and
dalala, because that made inJapan stamp is how Gigi, uh,

(20:49):
recognizes that Chucky is.
Their father because after thiswhole, well, first off, Gigi's
in like a ventriloquist, thingin the uk it appears, right?
Is that it?

Donnie (21:02):
Somewhere over there because they have a sequence
where they run away from the

CryBaby (21:06):
Oh,

Donnie (21:06):
ventriloquist guy and they get on an A plane and they
do like the plane is flyingacross the ocean and it's styled
like the Indiana Jones movieswhere you see like the little
dotted line behind the plane asit travels to Hollywood,
California.
So Gigi can seek out theirparents..

CryBaby (21:21):
You know what's funny about that is our references,
like how completely opposite endof the spectrum is.
'cause when I see that plane, Ithink of America's Next Top
model, when the top five or sixfinalists get to go to the
international destination and itshows this shitty little plane
with like pictures of them inthe windows, like flying to
Thailand.

Donnie (21:41):
Oh, I had no idea.
I had no idea.
I'm just like, yeah, 1986, thismovie.
You don't remember?

CryBaby (21:48):
I mean, I'll remember Indiana Jones.
I just, I live for America'sNext Top model.
That shit's so messy.
Tyra's a menace.
Oh my gosh.

Donnie (21:57):
I watched the first couple of seasons, but then I
was like, okay, once you've seenone, you've kind of seen'em all

CryBaby (22:01):
I don't know.
They're, I think they're worthit.
They're so much fun.
I'm looking yellow.

Donnie (22:08):
yellow.

CryBaby (22:09):
Do I look yellow?

Donnie (22:11):
You don't look yellow.
To me,

CryBaby (22:12):
Okay.
Maybe just'cause my chest ispink, whatever.
Um, that could very well be it,so back to the Japan stamp, this
birth mark that, that Gigi has,the reason GG sees Chucky on TV
is because of the whole metaclusterfuck that's being built

(22:33):
for us in Hollywood right nowwith this Chucky ghost psycho
movie that's being made with thereal dolls from the actual
murders from Hackensack, NewJersey.

Donnie (22:45):
right.
traveled from Hackensack toHollywood as so many of us would
like to do.

CryBaby (22:51):
again, like all the, the number one thing that I
think of with this movie is howunserious it is because I think
about, the fact that there's anews crew on set while they're
filming this movie.
And the fact that we have thosereal dolls from these murder
scenes like that are unsolved.
And then we have, of courseJennifer Tilly back on our

(23:13):
screen, which I feel like that'sthe number one reason we went
metal with this movie is so thatwe can get physically, Jennifer
Tilly back on screen for thismovie.

Donnie (23:23):
Yeah, that's, uh, probably exactly it because
having her there as Tiffany, as,as is wonderful.
But being able to physically seeJennifer Tilley and then to have
Jennifer Tilley playing thisheightened version of herself,
which is already pretty high,just a absolutely brilliant, a
brilliant decision by DonMancini to do this because it

(23:44):
immediately shows us that we arein this world where like
anything can happen could beseeing Hollywood or we could be
seeing something real.
We don't know.
In fact, the beginning sequenceof this, um.
Hollywood movie where we firstsee Chucky, we're not
necessarily sure that it's amovie we watch, Chucky and
Tiffany kill a man dressed asSanta Claus in a big, snowy
cemetery.
When I think Santa, I thinkcemetery and, the doll begins to

(24:08):
malfunction and someone yell,cut, and they have to go fix
this doll.
So already we can't really trustwhat it is that we've seen.
Are we watching reality?
Are we watching this movie Getme?

CryBaby (24:18):
Mm-hmm.
going back to that, thatheightened version of Jennifer
Tilley, and I think one of thethings that I love so much about
this movie is I can see such aclose and comfortable
relationship between JenniferTilley and Don Mancini on this
screen.
I can tell that they are reallygood friends, really good
collaborators, and that they'reboth down to clown, because

(24:41):
Jennifer Tilley takes the pissout of herself.
She's really mean about herselfin this role, and it's so
fucking good.

Donnie (24:51):
mm-hmm.
you, you know, you don't wannado that if you're not in an
environment where you feel safe.
you know, they, they makeseveral jokes about her weight,
several jokes about her voice.
I mean, she is just leaning intomocking herself the way that the
press actually did.
You know, when star was rising,everybody was like, who's this
lady with the voice?
You know?

(25:13):
uh, she's just like, it's me.
I'm the lady with the voice.

CryBaby (25:16):
And I love that she's owning it.
some of my favorite moments inthis she's like, I'm a fucking
Oscar nominee for Christ'ssakes.
What does it take to get someoneto take me seriously?
And then the Chucky doll turnsand goes, nice tits.
And she's like, thank you.
And it's just so stupid and sofunny.
And that was in, uh, theconversation.
Oh, her assistant.
Joan.
Do you think Joan, is in lovewith Jennifer Tilley?

Donnie (25:39):
Um, you know, it could certainly be read that way.

CryBaby (25:41):
I think so.

Donnie (25:43):
yeah, there could, there could certainly be,'cause there
does seem to be a lot ofjudgment.
And Joan comes off as like avery judgmental Christian woman,
which we all know is certainly,the first step toward
homosexuality.
So it's entirely possible.

CryBaby (25:58):
Well, the way I read Joan, I think it's clear that
Joan holds Jennifer Tilly in ahigh regard, and she has high
expectations of her.
And to me that reads as likeJoan has put Jennifer Tilly on a
pedestal because she is in lovewith her and she is trying to
sculpt Jennifer Tilly into theversion of Jennifer Tilly that

(26:21):
she thinks that she loves.
Does that make sense?

Donnie (26:24):
Ooh, I like that.
Yeah, this is good.

CryBaby (26:26):
Yeah, that's, that's how I read Joan.
And the reason I read Joan thatway is because I have been that
person.
I've been that person that hasbeen like dotting for somebody
and I have been hypercritical ofthem because I saw them a
certain way, and when they werenot behaving in that way that I.
Wanted for them because I sawthem as such a good person.
I immediately kind of like wentinto Criti criticizing.

(26:48):
So, um, I will say a part ofthat is because I do see a
little bit of my younger dotingcrybaby in Joan and how she
responds to Jennifer Tilley,especially because she ends up,
she's the one that writesJennifer Tilley all of her fan
mail.

Donnie (27:03):
She is writing Jennifer Tilley's fan mail.
Yeah.

CryBaby (27:05):
And I think she does that because Jennifer Tilley's
bitching about how no one takesher seriously.
One of the things she says is, Idon't even get fan mail.
And then that later down themovie, we see Joan writing fan
mail for Jennifer Tilley.
To me that means that she's inlove with her.
She listens to everything thatshe says she loves her.

Donnie (27:21):
She think she can fix her.

CryBaby (27:23):
Mm-hmm.
I can fix her.
Uh, But it's a really fun metaestablishment.
So we talked about the IndianaJones plane or the America's
Next Top model plane.
Gigi ends up in just knowingwhere to find these animatronic
puppets on set whips out theheart of Alala, the once before

(27:44):
used heart of Alala.

Donnie (27:45):
That's right.
The thing that we didn't knowexisted until the last movie

CryBaby (27:49):
Yes.
And, brings Chucky and Tiffanyback to life.
Woo-hoo.

Donnie (27:53):
our fantastic chant.

CryBaby (27:55):
And this one is such, I I, so the, the chant, like, as
we all know, it, is like, gimmethe power.
I beg of you This one, all Gigisays is, aala awake.
That's it.
Like we are, we are enteringlike the new millennium.
Here we are entering the screentime attention span.

(28:15):
We don't have time for all ofthat.
None of that.

Donnie (28:19):
places to be.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (28:21):
We're Spark notes saying this.
All right.
It's, it's so short.

Donnie (28:27):
way this movie is disjointed with how short some
of the scenes are, it definitelyfeels that way.
It feels like we were having ourshorter attention spans played
to

CryBaby (28:36):
It really does.
'cause even like, and I'm, I'msure you're having the same,
experience that I'm having rightnow.
Like as we're talking throughthis, I'm like, wait, what order
happens?
What happened?

Donnie (28:47):
Yes,

CryBaby (28:48):
Listen, y'all watch this movie and you'll understand
what we're talking about.
Like, it's, it's one of thosethings where the breadcrumbs
are, it's like you grabbed afistful of'em and just like
threw them with reckless abandoninstead of strategically placing
them in a row.
That's how it feels.
but yeah, Chucky and Tiffany docome back to life and they
immediately kill, uh, TonyGardner.
Uh, he's, he's the actual OhGod.

(29:11):
Is he the head of specialeffects on the Chucky series or
is he the head puppeteer?
He's, he's done a lot for theeffects, uh, for, for this film.
And he is a producer on thisWell, oh, he was a producer on
this series?

Donnie (29:27):
Oh, he pass away.

CryBaby (29:28):
No, the series got canceled.

Donnie (29:30):
Oh, Jesus.

CryBaby (29:31):
Sorry.

Donnie (29:32):
death.
Death cancellation.
I mean, what's worse?

CryBaby (29:35):
It's, I I did kind of sound like that.
I'm sorry.
before the show got canceled, hewas a producer on it, but yeah,
they behead him and immediatelystart making out as they're
being showered with blood.
It's so hot.
I.

Donnie (29:47):
Yeah.
I mean that's, what else are yougonna do?

CryBaby (29:49):
And then we get to see them react to parenthood, which
I think is a very interestingthing to witness with these two.
'Cause in the previous movie wewere talking a lot about how
like queer coded they were andhow they operated so
differently, as this excitingwild couple.
And now here they are findingout that their parents

Donnie (30:11):
And it's interesting because they both make a
different assumption about Gigi,where Chucky is convinced that
this is a boy and Tiffany isconvinced that this is a girl.
And they're both, neither ofthem is making a joke outta it.
It's not funny.
They just see this, their spawncompletely different.

CryBaby (30:29):
Yeah.
They're just arguing back andforth and that narrative carries
throughout the whole film where.
Tiffany is wanting Gigi to be agirl and Chucky is wanting Gigi
to be a boy.
Like that never really getsresolved until the very end of
this movie.
So it is planting that seed.
That was an accident.

Donnie (30:49):
what you did there.

CryBaby (30:51):
That was, that was a total accident.
But they are planting that seedfor, you know, this conversation
around, parenting a, a childthat is non-binary essentially,
and it's really interesting andGigi doesn't really seem to have
much of opinion on it eitherthere.

Donnie (31:08):
No, not at all.

CryBaby (31:09):
Mm-hmm.
I don't think Gigi reallythought about it actually, now
that I think about it.

Donnie (31:14):
Yeah, I don't think it was something that was on Gigi's
radar.
Gigi seems okay with it, ofcourse, you know.
Tiffany wanting Gigi to beGlenda and Chucky, wanting Gigi
to be Glen, changes the way thatthey parent Gigi, you know,
Tiffany being a little bit morecoddling and Chucky being a
little more like, come on champ.
You know, that kind of thing.

(31:34):
And it's, it's an interesting,dichotomy to witness these two
dolls doing because it's so youknow, it's so cisgender and,
we're, you know, it's, it'scomical in a sense to see these
two murderous dolls to that kindof, mindset,

CryBaby (31:53):
Yeah, it is.
It's, it's really interesting.
It's really funny and I thinkit's a reminder that like at the
end of the day, like this is afamily drama above anything else
like this.
This is a family drama.
And then secondary, it's acomedy and then tertiary, it's a
horror movie, which is why Ithink a lot of people were
disappointed when it came out'cause they were expecting a
horror movie when we got afamily dramedy.

Donnie (32:15):
Right, right.

CryBaby (32:16):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (32:17):
it, it has deaths in it, but it's not a slasher flick

CryBaby (32:20):
No, not at all.
Mm.
I wouldn't say, I wouldn't sayat all.
what's, interesting about it,and we had a little taste of it
in Bride of Chucky, but the hugefocus is the family dynamic and
these relationships betweenthese dolls and their
relationships with killing.
Because you know, Gigi is justlike, why do you kill people?

(32:43):
I don't like it.
I don't want to be a killer.
And so Tiffany being thecoddling person that she is, is
like, we have an addiction.
And she starts treating it likean addiction goes through the
whole 12 step program.
Well, she doesn't do the wholething, she just does a couple of
the steps.
Um, and then

Donnie (32:58):
that she read?
It's like, how to do 12 Stepsand seven Steps or something
like that.
I think

CryBaby (33:01):
something like that.
It's, it's wild.
But, um, Jennifer Tilley findsthe dead body of Tony Gardner
when she's trying to sneak aSnickers and, Tiffany is in
love.
Tiffany is in love with JenniferTilley, which I think is another
meta funny, hilarious thing.

Donnie (33:20):
Oh, it's brilliant.
I, if I had a little mini medoll, I would want it to be
madly in love with me.

CryBaby (33:25):
Mm-hmm.
So this is when, they decide,you know what, Tiffany's gonna
be Jennifer Tilly, she's gonnaget her body, and then Chucky's
gonna get Red Man's Body, andthen they're gonna figure out a
way to make a baby so they canget Gigi into a human body as
well.
And they just, they plan thiswhile they're in the back of a
limo with like some of thecheesiest background effects.

(33:50):
And like, you know, as they'redriving through the car.

Donnie (33:52):
Like what's clearly like a green screen in the back.

CryBaby (33:55):
Yeah.
Part of me wonders is thisstylistic or is it, um, I feel
like it's, it's, it's a, a, achoice from Don Mancini.
It all feels so superficial,which I think is in itself, uh,
kind of a critique on Hollywood.
Yeah.

Donnie (34:10):
Oh, yeah.
I think he is making it clearwithout really saying that it's
a critique on Hollywood.
I mean, the other, there areother aspects of this where
Hollywood is being skeweredwhere say, you know, Jennifer
Tilley's trying to leave thestudio, and, and reporters are
shouting questions at her.
And I, I think one of them says,Jennifer Tilley, what's your
birth date?
Give us the exact day.

(34:32):
Or How old are you?
Really?
Give us the exact birth date.

CryBaby (34:34):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (34:35):
because Hollywood is obsessed with superficial things
like that.
So I think that he's skeweringit as much as he can, here and
there.
And part of that is probably theawful background that he chose
to have

CryBaby (34:45):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (34:46):
it, you know, the limos driving through Hollywood.

CryBaby (34:47):
that paparazzi scene has some of the best background
dialogue.
It's so funny, like there's,that one stood out to me.
There's the one that's likeJennifer Tilly, tell us about
this rumor, about your, likeyour chocolate addiction or
something like that.
And then John Waters, this iswhen we get to see John Waters
and he is relentless, very PerezHilton coded I feel,

Donnie (35:09):
Oh yeah, that's, that's accurate.

CryBaby (35:11):
which I mean, fuck Perez Hilton.
Like genuinely.
But um, he says something like,what happened?
And Jennifer Tilley's just like,I don't wanna talk about it.
He's like, draw us a picture.
Oh, what's wrong?
You're not an artist.
Like, it's so fucking funny andso bitchy.
I live for it.
Oh, Jennifer Tilly, by the way,has decided that she's gonna
sleep with a red man to get therole of the Virgin Mary, which

(35:31):
is in itself hilarious.
And there's that whole predatorything that Redman is doing where
he's just staring at her titsthe whole time she's reading
with him.

Donnie (35:40):
right.
And she, she invites Redman backto her place so that she can try
and seduce him in order to winthe role.
is all for it.

CryBaby (35:48):
exactly.
Of course.
He is all for it.
He's a man.
Um, he is a man.
But she's going back to thehouse and she's planning all
this, and Tiffany's just like,oh my God.
She's a complete slut

Donnie (36:01):
That's right.
With the voice of an angel

CryBaby (36:05):
with the voice of an angel., and you know what's
great about this?
I do care a lot more about thehuman story of this than I do
about Bri up Chucky because ofJennifer Tilley.

Donnie (36:15):
Mm-hmm.
Yes.

CryBaby (36:17):
Yeah.

Donnie (36:17):
how could you,

CryBaby (36:18):
How could you not?
Yeah, I just, I again, I just, Ilove that she's taking the piss
out of herself, that she is likehoring herself out, quote
unquote, for this role, and it'sjust, ugh, it's so brilliant.

Donnie (36:31):
Yeah.
It's, it's awfully clever andfor some reason, I'm trying to
think of another actress thatcould have pulled it off with
the same.
it seems effortless and I just,I don't know that anybody else
comes to mind.

CryBaby (36:42):
The only person that comes to my mind, and I think
it's just because she is justnaturally a comedian, like I
don't think she has to doanything is Parker Posey.

Donnie (36:52):
Parker Posey.
I was gonna say JenniferCoolidge.

CryBaby (36:54):
That's, yeah.
So Chucky and Tiffany, what theydecide not to kill Chucky.
Relentlessly, but relentlessly.
Reluctantly.

Donnie (37:02):
reluctantly.

CryBaby (37:03):
But he does that thing where he is like, oh, I won't
kill, and he crosses his fingersbehind his back.

Donnie (37:08):
Do

CryBaby (37:08):
And then what?
I was just thinking about that.
That feels like such a likenineties, early two thousands
thing.

Donnie (37:15):
it feels very dated.

CryBaby (37:17):
It feels very dated.
Sound off in the comments.
Does anybody still like.
Yeah, just let me know.
Like, do people still crosstheir fingers behind their back,
like unironically?
Yeah.
So, um, oh, There's theseduction scene and then Chucky
jerking off into a cup.

Donnie (37:35):
Yes.

CryBaby (37:36):
'cause they're gonna impregnate Jennifer Tilly.
'cause Tiffany doesn't wanna getpregnant again.

Donnie (37:40):
Who can blame her.

CryBaby (37:41):
Uh, honestly, I don't, I don't.
um, this is where we get thedoll titties.
Tiffany pulls down her littledoll dress and it's just like,
full on nips baby.

Donnie (37:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Straight up doll titties.
I wonder if there hadn't alreadybeen nudity in the movie.
What the movie would've beenrated based on the doll boobs.

CryBaby (37:58):
Well, I think this was originally rated NC 17.

Donnie (38:02):
Oh, wow.

CryBaby (38:03):
Yeah, I th I, uh, I think I remember reading
something about that.
I'm pretty sure it was rated NC17 and, they, I don't know what
they changed.
Clearly.
It wasn't the titties.
It wasn't the, the nudity.

Donnie (38:13):
No, they let that still happen.
I

CryBaby (38:14):
Yeah.

Donnie (38:15):
You know, things used to be weird, like if you used.
Blood.
That was too red.
Too too red looking.
It was, would get you a higherrating than if you use less
realistic looking blood.
I don't know.
I, I think the blood in this, Ithink they're all pretty
realistic, but who knows whatthat the rating committee or
whomever it is, makes thosedecisions.

(38:36):
Who knows what they're thinking.

CryBaby (38:37):
Well, and like, let's be honest, there's just some
people who will automaticallyview queer content as more
obscene point blank period.

Donnie (38:45):
Oh, for sure.
I think it's a pretty accurateassessment.

CryBaby (38:49):
Yeah, but either way, they had to cut out some things
and they didn't cut out theboobies.
But what I do find funny isChucky, when he's jerking off,
he jerks off to a Fangoriamagazine.

Donnie (38:59):
Yes.
He goes through the magazines inthe bathroom and picks Pango.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (39:03):
And all while this is happening, what we have,
Jennifer Tilley is like seducingRed Man.
And then Tiffany ends upknocking them out to inseminate
her and John Waters.
is doing his paparazzi thing,taking all kinds of photos and
stuff, and Chucky clocks it.

Donnie (39:18):
Jackie does clock it.

CryBaby (39:19):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (39:21):
and then, see this is where I'm getting confused
because everything jumps aroundso much,

CryBaby (39:25):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (39:26):
I know that, Chucky wakes Gigi up and says, we're
gonna go on a father son trip orsomething like that.
And, they go to Pete Peterson's.
Home, where his dark room is andhe is developing the pictures
that he just took at, JenniferTilley's house.
And, Chucky's plan is to killhim and Gigi tries to step in

(39:48):
and prevent it at the lastminute.
'cause Gigi's stillanti-violence.
And, it ends up that, PetePeterson ends up falling down
and getting covered in, what isit?
Some kind of solution,

CryBaby (39:58):
it's like some sort of chemical that like melts the
fuck out of it.

Donnie (40:02):
melts his skin.
Yeah.

CryBaby (40:04):
Mm,

Donnie (40:05):
assumes that this was done on purpose and it's like, I
can't remember what he says at aboy or something along

CryBaby (40:10):
yeah.
You're a natural.
Yeah.

Donnie (40:13):
His, his heart swells with pride.

CryBaby (40:16):
Yeah, it's really interesting seeing, Chucky fall
into this father dynamic.
obviously it's parallel to thefather who wants their son to be
into sports and the pressurethat comes along with that, and
I find that a very interestingdynamic in this movie is like
chucky's expectations versuswhat Gigi wants.

(40:37):
'cause even though there is apoint in the movie where Gigi
says that they think they wantto be a boy, I still don't fully
believe that 100%.
And I feel like part of that isbecause of the pressure from
Chucky.

Donnie (40:49):
Yeah, I agree.
Um, especially with what yousaid about Chucky being the same
as a father who's like, I playedhigh school football, you've
gotta play high school football.
You know, that, that kind ofthing.
Only in this situation andhappens to be murder and, you
know, definitely wants to pushGigi to be a.
Oh gosh, the, what's the phrase?

(41:10):
A chin, not a, wanna say a chinoff the old goat.
That's not it.

CryBaby (41:14):
Oh, a chip off the old block.

Donnie (41:16):
a chin off the old goat.
What the hell is

CryBaby (41:19):
But let's talk about, let's talk it with a chain off
the old goat,

Donnie (41:24):
Chin?
Like a chin.

CryBaby (41:26):
a chin off the old goat.
Never heard that before.
Totally using it.

Donnie (41:30):
I, I don't think anybody's ever put those words
together in that order before Achip off the old block.
Not a chin off the old goat.
I don't know.
Something's wrong with me.
I gotta get checked out.

CryBaby (41:43):
Where did that come from?

Donnie (41:45):
Couldn't tell you the words.
Kinda sounded the same, but,let's blame long COVID.

CryBaby (41:50):
Okay.
Either way, I, I'm kind ofobsessed.
I might just use that instead.
I, it's more fun.
Chucky wants Gigi to be a chinoff the old goat.

Donnie (42:03):
A chin off the old goat.
Yep.
I'm glad everybody just got towitness that.
You're welcome.

CryBaby (42:09):
We made history, everybody.
All right.
We're, we're new slang here.
We're bitch in the pot.
Chin off the old goat.
We need one more by the end ofthe episode,

Donnie (42:18):
old goat.
That's right.
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (42:21):
Goodness.
but yes, to your point.
Yeah.
He wants, Gigi to be a, a chinoff the old goat.

Donnie (42:27):
I'll never live this down.
It's going on the internet forposterity just in

CryBaby (42:30):
Yes, it is.
I do love that.
There's an irony and like asatire and obviously because it
is so meta, I do love that thatkind of family dynamic is
explored in this movie, but likemurder is taking the place of
everything, right?
Like it's not parent quittingalcohol or quitting this, that

(42:52):
and the other for their kid.
It's a parent quitting murder.
It's not that, you know, I wantmy son to follow my footsteps
and play football.
It's that note murder.
I just love that that is how itmanifested itself in this movie.
I think it's really fun andreally clever and also
relatable.
Like obviously I don't, I don'tthink my father ever wanted me
to be a murderer, but I cancertainly relate, especially as

(43:15):
a non-binary person and like assomebody who knew at an early
age that I was not.
Hyper masculine at all.
I can definitely relate to thatfeeling that Gigi has in that
scene where Chucky is so proudof them and they're just like,
this is not what I want at all.
Super relatable, I think.

Donnie (43:36):
and you know, the fact that it was written by a gay man
is, you know, very noticeable.

CryBaby (43:42):
Absolutely.
And then along with this,Tiffany has a slip up because,
well, hold on.
No.
oh yeah, this is, while this ishappening, this is when Tiffany,
impregnates, Jennifer Tilleywith a Turkey baster.

Donnie (43:55):
Well, she kills Red Man first,

CryBaby (43:57):
No, she doesn't kill Red Man until the next day.
Because see, it's, uh, it's allover the place.
'cause it's like, yeah, she,Jennifer Tilley gets impregnated
with a Turkey baster, and thenthe next day she wakes up
pregnant.
And so voodoo pregnancy.
So it's like she's already likenine months.
And then Jennifer Tilly tellsred men, red men's like, no, I

(44:18):
got a vasectomy.
And then that's when Tiffanykills her.

Donnie (44:23):
It's all very confusing.

CryBaby (44:25):
It really is.
But some notable points, just, Ilove a lot of the dialogue in
this movie.
One of my favorite lines is whenChucky and Tiffany are watching
the news the next morning afterthey impregnate Jennifer Tilley,
they're watching a news storywith Martha Stewart getting
arrested and, Tiffany's like,they're executing Martha Stewart
this morning are they actuallyexecuting her like in this world

(44:48):
or is this just like Tiffanybeing a dumb ass?

Donnie (44:51):
Nope.
They, uh, they're, they actuallyexecute her, I think earlier,
much earlier when they're in thelimousine.
I feel like I remember hearingsomething about that on the
radio, but I could be totally

CryBaby (45:01):
it's so funny.

Donnie (45:03):
to, to gather and, and absorb in this movie,

CryBaby (45:07):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (45:08):
that even though I watched it like 16 times in
preparation for this, I'm stillhaving trouble the order of
things.

CryBaby (45:15):
Yes.

Donnie (45:16):
Which is exactly what you want when you're watching a,
or listening to a podcast abouta movie.
You want somebody who's not surewhat they're talking about

CryBaby (45:23):
Well, this is why we decided that we're not gonna
stick too strictly to the orderof events here.
We're talking overall themes, soif you all want an exact rundown
of the movie, just watch themovie.
Come on.
It's a lot of fun.
It's, it really is a lot of fun.
It's all over the place.
It we maybe that, maybe the waythat we're talking about it may
come across as like, oh, we hatethat it's all over the place.

(45:45):
It's like, no, we're just tryingto be able to communicate it
effectively, and that's the hardpart,

Donnie (45:51):
Just watch it.
Yeah, just watch it and thenlisten to us or do it the other
way.

CryBaby (45:54):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (45:55):
think we did, you did mention, uh, Tiffany Knocking
Redman and Jennifer Tilly out,and I.
I can't remember'cause I thinkshe, we see it twice, but the,
the thing that she uses to knockJennifer Tilly out is an award
that says most improved.
Like, I, you know, I don't knowif it's supposed to be for, for

(46:15):
film or what.
Obviously it's an acting award,but I believe it says most
improved.
And I think that's just heranother shot for the sake of the
movie at herself.
And it just cracks me up.

CryBaby (46:26):
Yep.
Oh God, that I didn't clockthat.
That's so funny.
that that's in the same scenewhere Tiffany's like, God, she's
fat.
She hasn't even been, she's noteven pregnant yet.
funny.

Donnie (46:38):
talk about bound to, which, if you haven't seen the
movie Bound, it's a slightdeparture from, from this
series.
But like, Gina Gershon, JenniferTilly,

CryBaby (46:48):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (46:50):
bound.

CryBaby (46:51):
Do it.
Yeah, they reference it a lot.
I think Don Mancini does thatthing that I do as a gay best
friend with all of mygirlfriends, I.
Is like, there's just somethings that I'll latch on that
I'll just relentlessly jokeabout or bring up or read them
over or something like that.
And I feel like Don does thatwith Bound.

(47:12):
He will not let Jen.
Well, first off, he loved itbefore he even cast, Jennifer
Tilley and Brian of Chucky, thatmovie's one of the reasons why
he wanted her in this.
But, the fact that he will fit,that he will fit bound into the
script any way he can.
And we see that a lot in theseries too, which is fucking
hilarious.

Donnie (47:32):
Oh, in the series, he brings half the cast back for an
episode.
It's,

CryBaby (47:36):
Oh, that's,

Donnie (47:36):
my favorite episode in the entire series.

CryBaby (47:39):
I would agree on the murder mystery party sh of it
all.
Oh, so good.
Listen, everybody, tangents.
we're not gonna be covering theTV series on this season.
Maybe in the future I would loveto, but it would be a lot to
cover.
So do yourself a favor if youhaven't already watch the TV
series.
It is so delightfully unhinged.

(48:00):
Oh

Donnie (48:00):
Mm-hmm.
It falls along the same lines ofthis, the way this movie is me,
very different than, than Pulse.
You know, it, it, it comes backto this kind of meta
self-awareness thing again.

CryBaby (48:13):
But with a little bit more refinement and direction, I
think.
And I think that's why it doesso well.
but yeah.
Oh yeah, they do.
They bring it up.
'cause when.
When she wakes up pregnant andthey go to like tie her to the
bed so she can give birth.
They're on the phone with Joanand it's just that, that whole
funny back and forth again.

(48:33):
Another dig at Jennifer Tilly'svoice where Tiffany's on the
line, Joan's on the line andJennifer Tilly is on the line.
And while Jennifer Tilley'sscreaming in the background,
Joan's like, oh, I hear youscreaming.
And Tiffany's like, oh no, boundis on cable.
Gina au is fingering me.

Donnie (48:50):
Yes.
Oh, it's so good.

CryBaby (48:54):
Oh, that is definitely a line written by a gay man.
I'm not gonna lie that 100%.
but yeah, so to, I'm trying tothink are there any other
important details?
So Tiffany kills Red Man.
She relapses, there's thatreally funny scene where she's
on the phone with the.
Person who's just like, Romewasn't built in a day, we all

(49:17):
mess up.
And so she takes that aspermission to kill red men.
That's a funny scene too.

Donnie (49:22):
And the scene where she is trying to make amends with
her 12 step program, so shecalls the wife of a victim that
she's killed and is apologizingfor this horrific murder,

CryBaby (49:32):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (49:33):
obviously traumatizing the woman on the other line.
And, uh, you know, she feels somuch better for having gotten
lit off of her chest,

CryBaby (49:40):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (49:40):
another ridiculous, ridiculous scene.

CryBaby (49:43):
Yeah.
And I think it like going backto our conversation last week on
camp and that quality of justhonesty and like I.
Groundedness and earnestness toit.
I think that those two sceneshighlight that really well in
this movie.
'Cause some of it is like soover the top and absurd and, um,
I feel like intentionally so,like the Britney Spears moment,

(50:05):
But I think about thisconversation that she's having
on the phone with this, advisorfor the 12 for addiction,
basically.
And she just is so rooted inlike a genuine, like, no, I
don't wanna do this.
I'm so, I can't, I can't go to ameeting.
And like, it's, and I think thatthat groundedness in those

(50:26):
moments like really kicks it upa notch for me.

Donnie (50:29):
Yeah,

CryBaby (50:29):
Um,

Donnie (50:30):
it seriously.

CryBaby (50:31):
so yeah, she kills Red Man.
Jennifer Tilley.
They have her tied to the bed.
They, oh, you know what weforgot to talk about, which is
fine.
The fucking driver, Stan.

Donnie (50:41):
Oh, that guy,

CryBaby (50:43):
He is just there to be a meat bagg.
Yeah.
They get him there.

Donnie (50:46):
he is there for 90 seconds.
You know the, the limo driverthat is in love with Jennifer
Tilley.

CryBaby (50:52):
Yeah.
So after they kill Red Man,basically we just needed a body
to come in and so that Chuckycould try to take it over, but
it doesn't matter'cause plotswas spoiler alert, they end up
not going into the bodies.
But first with Gigi, we finallyhave a revelation So like when
Joan comes in, because obviouslyshe was scared or she of the

(51:13):
phone call when Joan getskilled, who kills Joan?

Donnie (51:16):
Do we see it in that moment?

CryBaby (51:18):
We see it is like a fake out.
we see a blonde hair and awedding dress, and we're led to
think that it's Tiffany again,but it turns out to be Glenda.

Donnie (51:30):
Glenda,

CryBaby (51:31):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (51:31):
things I, I feel complicated emotions surrounding
this whole thing.

CryBaby (51:37):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (51:38):
which isn't to say that I don't still very much enjoy
it, yeah, we get this, thissurprise.
I am a murderous woman.

CryBaby (51:49):
Yeah.
Very.
what's that movie?
What's the movie from theeighties with, was it Dustin
Hoffman or one of those people?
Dangerous Killer?
No, there's, there's a, there'sa movie in the eighties that.

Donnie (52:04):
Gate.

CryBaby (52:05):
Let me, hold on.
Lemme pull it up real quickdress to Kill.
That's what it is.

Donnie (52:09):
Oh, to kill that would've, I was gonna get there.

CryBaby (52:12):
I knew there was a D in there somewhere.
But yeah, it's very dressed tokill and I'm with you here.
It kind of, for me it falls in asimilar camp of dress to kill
and like sleepaway camp

Donnie (52:24):
Sleep away.
Camp is another one.

CryBaby (52:25):
and Psycho where we have this vilification of a
trans person and having thistrans identity or like this,
non-binary, ident, whatever thecase may be, we're having that
used as a plot device for whysomebody is dangerous.
It leads to, perceptions ofdishonesty when it comes to,

(52:50):
gender expression.

Donnie (52:52):
Mm,

CryBaby (52:53):
I feel very similarly to you.
Like I love that Gigi isnon-binary and that there's kind
of like two parts to them, but Idon't like the implications that
come with that.

Donnie (53:06):
Yeah.
This movie, in my opinion,swings and misses, uh, a little
bit with this, as you said,there's a vilification of trans
people or genderqueer people, ornon-binary people that Hollywood
has been doing forever.
You know, I already, we alreadymentioned so many movies, and
then there's like Ace Ventura, apet Detective, and Naked Gun, 33
and a third, you know, wherethere's usually a beautiful

(53:29):
woman.
That the main character isromantically, sexually
interested in, and then theyfind out that it's a, a trans
person or a trans woman.
And I think in Ace Ventura, he'slike, vomiting.
You know, like it's just, thosemovies obviously don't
necessarily, they're not horrormovies.
But it

CryBaby (53:46):
It's the same sentiment though.
Yeah.

Donnie (53:48):
yeah.
You know, this, it's thisdisgusting.
And there's another horror moviecalled Cherry Falls

CryBaby (53:53):
Oh,

Donnie (53:54):
same thing.

CryBaby (53:55):
wait a second.

Donnie (53:55):
Falls?

CryBaby (53:56):
I remember Cherry Falls.
I, uh, Brittany Murphy.
Oh my gosh, I miss her so much.
Every single day.
I Ms.
Brittany Murphy.
I remember that movie.
I don't remember the transstoryline.
It's been probably like 15, 20years since I've watched Cherry
Falls.

Donnie (54:11):
probably.
You see it once.
That's kind of enough.
I

CryBaby (54:13):
Yeah.

Donnie (54:14):
movie.

CryBaby (54:15):
Yeah.

Donnie (54:15):
You know, so there is just this ongoing thing of like,
oh look, the, the boy isactually a girl, or, you know,
this person is actuallytransgender and usually puts on
a dress and that's when themurder happens, you know?
So it's like, ooh, we're kind ofbeaten a dead horse with this
awful stereotype.
But because this movie is soself-aware and tongue in cheek

(54:36):
and written by a queer person,it like kind of slides a little
bit under the radar of beingsuper duper transphobic and is
actually just like a littletransphobic instead.

CryBaby (54:45):
Yeah.
And I, part of me thinks becauseit's a horror movie, that just
feels like the way to go withGigi.
I don't think it was used in thesame way that we saw it in other
horror movies like CycloneSleepaway Camp, where this
identity is the reason why.
I think it's just more so, Dawn,exploring that duality within

(55:06):
Gigi, and obviously beingrelated to Chucky, that genetic,
transfer of, maliciousness andthe need to kill.
And then of course, we do seethroughout the movie, Gigi's
having these little ticks, likethese eye twitches and stuff.
So I think it's just unfortunatethat it played the way that it
did, you know?

(55:27):
Good.

Donnie (55:27):
right?
Because there's definitely thepredisposition to be a murderer,
and there's also the genetictrait of being non-binary.
just the way that those twothings get married in this movie
where it's like, oh, okay, butI, it's something I wouldn't
like to see replayed now

CryBaby (55:44):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (55:46):
I think the intention behind it was not evil, you
know, it wasn't to, to vilifytrans people.
plus I, I just have a littlesoft spot in my heart for Gigi.
So it's just one of those thingswhere when I watch it now, I'm
like, oh, I don't know that thataged particularly well, but.
It's, it like a small complaintin order to get the rest of this

(56:08):
fantastic movie out.

CryBaby (56:10):
I agree.
I think this movie.
at least for me, like itimpacted me was this idea of
sometimes I want to be a boy,sometimes I want to be a girl.
Why can't I be both?
I think this was, it was verybold of this mainstream horror
franchise to introduce acharacter who was gender

(56:31):
non-conforming and non-binary.
Like not, not strictly trans,not strictly cisgender, but this
this more fluid relationship togender that I don't think was,
I, I don't remember it being,anywhere in mainstream culture
at that time.

(56:52):
Like I,

Donnie (56:53):
I'm struggling to remember that.
I don't think there, therereally was, nothing comes to
mind

CryBaby (56:57):
yeah, like the, I know for me, like the first time I
ever, I really started hearingconversations around, you know,
more gender fluidity andnon-binary, identities was
probably like around like 2014is when I think it really
started becoming a biggerconversation and this came out
10 years prior to that.

(57:17):
So even though we do have thatunfortunate turnout with, with,
Glenda being the murderous sideof Gigi, I do want to give some
good points for having the, theguts to firmly plant a
non-binary character in amainstream horror movie in one
of the meanest decades of popculture.

Donnie (57:40):
Yes.
I, and I think if I'd been ayoung person who got to hear the
words, you know, why can't I beboth?
would've been like, wow, youknow, that, that would've
resonated with me.
so you're, you know, you'reright that it was, it, it took
bravery to put this into a filmlike that, and it probably did
do some people really good justto see themselves represented,

(58:02):
even if it happened to be thismurderous character.

CryBaby (58:04):
I would agree.
I think it,

Donnie (58:06):
I.

CryBaby (58:07):
an access point.
You know, when I saw this, Ididn't fully know what it meant
to be non-binary.
I didn't know what myrelationship to my gender was.
And it was just kind of, yeah,it was a nice thing to hear and
just be like, oh, okay, that's,I didn't know that was an
option,

Donnie (58:23):
that's the thing.
Yeah.
That's an option.

CryBaby (58:25):
so I do like that.
And then they end up doing thatthing where they split Gigi into
two.
'cause Jennifer Tilley ends uphaving twins, so they're like,
we're gonna put Glen in this oneand Glenda in this one, I.

Donnie (58:38):
Voodoo, you know, you can do whatever you want.

CryBaby (58:41):
That voodoo that you do.
another thing that I like, and Ido feel like this is also very
queer coded, is when,'causeeveryone's freaking out'cause
the police are coming orwhatever, and Tiffany really
wants to be Jennifer Tilly andChucky's just like, fuck it.
If this is what it takes to behuman, I'm done.
I actually like being a killerdoll.
And he starts to embrace hisbody.

(59:03):
And I feel like that that isalso a very kind of like queer
storyline for Chucky.

Donnie (59:09):
You are right.
It totally is.
I mean, it's not one that youwould, think I wanna write
something queer.
I'm gonna write about a doll whoeventually becomes okay with
being a doll, but it is veryqueer coated.
Yeah.

CryBaby (59:22):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (59:22):
finally being content in your own skin or rubber,
whatever he's made out of.

CryBaby (59:27):
Exactly.
Rubber.
He is all rubber.
We learned that last time.

Donnie (59:32):
That's right.

CryBaby (59:33):
And then, so just to walk everybody through the end
of the movie, Chucky decides,Hey, I don't wanna do it.
Ends up getting killed by Gigigets like chopped to bits and
pieces.
Tiffany does manage to enterJennifer Tilley's body and move,
Glen and Glenda into theirrespective twin bodies.

(59:53):
And that's, that's seed ofChucky, right?
Did I miss anything?

Donnie (59:59):
pretty much it.
I mean, at the end we see abirthday party for the two,
twins for Glen and Glenda.
And, turns out that the, theGlenda, no, it's Glen is the
really sweet twin and Glenda isthe really scary one.
And, we get a birthday presentfor Glen that turns out to be,
is it Chucky's arm?

CryBaby (01:00:19):
Yeah.

Donnie (01:00:20):
It's a piece of the mutilated Chucky.

CryBaby (01:00:22):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:00:23):
how it ends.
So it ends with us, you know,that the three of them got put
into human bodies and someonemailed Chucky's arm to Glen and
then he pisses his pants and

CryBaby (01:00:41):
Oh yeah.
Yes.

Donnie (01:00:41):
where we started.

CryBaby (01:00:42):
And then with that, that was like, that's the last
we see this moving theaters.
Like I said before, this moviereally wasn't received well, not
at the time.

Donnie (01:00:51):
No, I think it was pro.
it was too smart for a lot ofpeople who just didn't
understand the, in your face ofit all, the self-awareness of it
all.

CryBaby (01:01:00):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:01:01):
you know, it was confusing and so many people
that started with this franchisewanted, I think, Chucky to
remain this.
Violent, scary, murderous dollin these straight up horror
movies.
And the campier it got, I thinkthey did lose people.
I think not everybodyunderstands camp and not
everybody deserves to.

CryBaby (01:01:21):
I, I second that.
I think, yes, I think this filmwas too smart.
I think it was accidentally kindof ahead of its time.
It was like unintentionally,like 10 years ahead of itself.
I even, I wrote down a quotefrom Roger Ebert.
He gave it, I think two out offour stars.
And he said, seat of Chucky istwo movies, one wretched and the

(01:01:43):
other funny.
Which I think is kind of what itsums it up, you know, a people's
expectations of like, if you cansit back and embrace the fact
that this is a funny familydrama kind of movie, movie,
you'll enjoy it.
If you're trying to hold ontothat old notion of Chucky,
you're gonna hate it for sure.

Donnie (01:02:02):
wonder what it was to him.
That was so, that was wretched.
Wretched.

CryBaby (01:02:08):
Probably the editing, I mean, it's the same thing that
we're having issues with.
You know, it's just like this,difficult to follow threading
that they're doing.

Donnie (01:02:18):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (01:02:20):
maybe, I don't know.
I, unfortunately we can't askhim anymore.

Donnie (01:02:24):
no,

CryBaby (01:02:25):
And,

Donnie (01:02:25):
Mm-hmm.
But

CryBaby (01:02:26):
uh.

Donnie (01:02:26):
uh, you know, was such a, such a gay movie.
To have come out in 2004 whenthere was nothing else
comparable to having anon-binary murderous doll
character.
And now I feel like if the moviehad come out now, we'd be like,
oh, I've seen this before.
I'm already familiar with, theseterms and, and with what's going

(01:02:50):
on.
2004, it's weird'cause itdoesn't feel that long ago, but
like pop culture wise it was,and the movie just came out a
little bit before we were readyfor it.
And I don't mean you and me, wewere ready for it.

CryBaby (01:03:01):
Oh, ready?

Donnie (01:03:03):
we, you know, it's a shame it didn't do better.
But it is a cult classic becausefolks like us and folks who know
who John Waters is, we werelike, this is fricking
brilliant.

CryBaby (01:03:12):
Yes, absolutely.
I think this, with Bride ofChucky, we were already getting
that queer embrace, And I thinkthat this is just a, another
step forward.
Like when I think about queerhorror icons in general, Glen
and Glenda are one of the firstones that come to my mind
because, because it's fresh.

(01:03:34):
A new dynamic character this farinto a franchise I think is also
something that's super special.
'cause a lot of times by, bythe, what, this is the fifth
movie in the franchise at thispoint, you're just getting into
human meat bag territory andjust replaying the same mulch
stick.
So you don't really get thatopportunity and horror to get
introduced to new dynamiccomplex characters the way that

(01:03:57):
we did with this.
there's a huge reason why it's acult classic and I think, people
who think this is the worst inthe franchise should reevaluate
their decision.

Donnie (01:04:07):
I think so too.
Go back, watch it again withfresh eyes,

CryBaby (01:04:10):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:04:10):
know, and also you're wrong.
So,

CryBaby (01:04:13):
Yeah.
Well, and that makes me wannaask you,'cause you know, we
asked, I asked with Bride ofChucky, and I'm just, I'm
curious to know your thoughts onthe rewatch value for seed of
Chucky.

Donnie (01:04:24):
I still think it's worth a watch once a year.
I would say the rewatch value isa little less for me personally
than for bride of Chucky.
I think every time you watch it.
You're going to see a new nuancethat you missed the first time
and you'll gain a new respectfor how it was written or how it
was directed.
because there's just so muchdepth to what comes off as this

(01:04:47):
goofy harm.

CryBaby (01:04:48):
Yeah, I'm in the same boat.
For me, it can sometimes be abit tedious getting through and
I might just be feeling that waybecause I watched it two times
this morning while I was gettingready.
And so, but you know, I thinkthis is, when I think about
rewatch experiences, right?
There's things where I willrewatch it to genuinely rewatch
it.
There's things that I willrewatch to passively rewatch

(01:05:09):
because it's like comforting tome.
And then there's things that Iwill rewatch with another person
because it's a fun experience.
And seed of Chuck is the kind ofmovie that I would want to
rewatch with another person.
Just to see them relate and seethem connect to it.
I think this is a great socialwatch,

Donnie (01:05:27):
This would definitely be something that I would wanna
show somebody who has not seenit yet.

CryBaby (01:05:31):
Absolutely.
Well, I would probably do adouble feature of bride of
Chucky seed of Chucky.

Donnie (01:05:35):
Yeah, that makes sense.
You need to, you need to atleast have a little idea of what
you're getting into.

CryBaby (01:05:40):
yeah, just a little bit.
Is there anything else we wannasay about Jennifer Tilley while
we're here?
I mean, we can go on and onabout Jennifer Tilley.

Donnie (01:05:47):
time do we have?
Yeah.
something I wish I'd looked upbefore we did this is, our, her
thoughts on, on the movie andhow she feels about it, because.
Again, it does make so much funof her.
She's making fun of herself.
And I wonder how she still feelsabout it, you know, like, I'm
sure she thinks it's hilarious.

CryBaby (01:06:08):
Let me see.

Donnie (01:06:10):
Are you looking

CryBaby (01:06:10):
Yeah, it's more so about her.

Donnie (01:06:13):
of Chucky?
Yeah.
What?
Her relationship to thisparticular film?

CryBaby (01:06:16):
All it's giving me is like her relationship with, just
being in the Chuckie series atall.
Nothing specifically about, uh,Cedar Chuckie.
But what I can say is I do knowwhen they were writing this,
Jennifer Tilly said, go hard.
Like she, she wanted them toreally go for it.
Like she was, I think sheprobably had a lot of fun with

(01:06:37):
it.
She went so hard to where thestudio said, you need to dial
this back because you're reallymaking Jennifer Tilly an
unlikable bitch.

Donnie (01:06:49):
Oh, wow.

CryBaby (01:06:50):
So.

Donnie (01:06:51):
to hear said about you.

CryBaby (01:06:53):
I know, so.
I, from what I know, obviously Ican't speak for Jennifer Tilly,
but I do genuinely think thatshe loved the experience of just
like taking the piss out ofherself.
'cause she's such a comedian.
She is also, she strikes me asone of those people that doesn't
really take anything tooseriously.
that's, that's what I think shewould say.

(01:07:13):
The internet didn't tell me thatexactly, but

Donnie (01:07:15):
no, I, I just think that she is, was such a smart
addition to the series andproves her worth, you know,
just.
And, and the idea sounds like somuch fun for, you know,'cause
I'm an actor and this would belike one of these really
exciting things to do as anactor, but to play yourself and
then have to go into a studioand record your other character,

(01:07:37):
you know, so when the scenesare, are Tiffany and Jennifer
Tilley talking together?
You know, have fun to be actingoff of yourself, you

CryBaby (01:07:44):
Oh my gosh, that has to be so fun.
and also that just adds morequeer layers to it.
'cause we were already talkingabout how Jennifer Tilley as an
entity outside of the Chuckiefranchise is a queer icon.
Like we have fully accepted andembraced her.
So not only having, JenniferTilley the actress in the movie,

(01:08:05):
but having Jennifer Tilley beinga character in the movie.
And what's more, having JenniferTilley being such a heightened,
exaggerated caricature of whatshe could be.
It's just, it's gay candy.
It's queer snackage.
Like

Donnie (01:08:24):
Queer Snackage.
Yes, that's what

CryBaby (01:08:25):
queer snackage.

Donnie (01:08:26):
snackage.

CryBaby (01:08:27):
Hashtag

Donnie (01:08:28):
We got three of them.

CryBaby (01:08:29):
Yes, we did it.
yeah.
I feel like we could just go on,we could spend hours just
talking about Jennifer Tilley.
I fucking adore that woman.
My God.
I will say I do think, it isvery clear that this is Don
Mancini's first time directing amovie.
and that's fine.
We all have a first, and I, I'vesaid this before and I'll say it

(01:08:50):
again and I'll continue to sayit in perpetuity until I die.
I would much rather somebodymake a movie like Don Manini and
like swing Big and go for thefences and try something new
than retrying the same oldstale.
non-complex formulas that peoplefall into, especially if it's

(01:09:13):
like, if it's a film that wasnever really written to be a
franchise, like I don't think, Imean, I'm sure Don would've
loved for it to have been afranchise, but I don't think it
was written to be a franchisewell, I think a lot of
franchises tend to be justsingle movies that were happen
to be successful.
So to have a movie that wasnever really written to be a
franchise, still managed to keepthings fresh is way more

(01:09:37):
exciting than just replaying thesuccess of the first movie over
and over and over again.

Donnie (01:09:45):
Yeah, I absolutely agree with you.
I mean, nothing particularlyformulaic about the way that
this, these movies are makingtheir journey.
So instead of being like, okay,we're gonna watch the guy in the
mask kill off the teenagers, notthat that doesn't get done well
sometimes, but other times,yeah.
You're like, okay, I knowexactly what we're gonna see.

CryBaby (01:10:06):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:10:07):
a lot of curves at you where you're like, okay, I
didn't expect that.

CryBaby (01:10:11):
Exactly.
And you know, not to keep goinginto this, y'all, but that, that
mode of operation carriesthrough to the series in really
big ways, really fun andexciting ways.

Donnie (01:10:25):
Watch the series, do it.

CryBaby (01:10:28):
Please, please do.
Please, please, please do.
yes.
All right.
I did another little poll thingon Instagram to get a little
audience input.
Yes.
So, I, I mean, I just asked the,the big question about this
movie is, does it get too muchhate or does it not get enough
hate, basically, and 100% of thepeople that responded said that

(01:10:54):
it gets too much hate.
So

Donnie (01:10:55):
Mm-hmm.

CryBaby (01:10:58):
the horror icon, yes, the horror icon audience is
composed of good people withgood tastes.
So thank you for being here withus

Donnie (01:11:06):
Yes.
Thank you.

CryBaby (01:11:07):
most.
Excellent.
Well, do you have any finalthings that you want to say
about this movie, Donnie?

Donnie (01:11:13):
the only other thing that I would wanna mention that
I don't think we touched upon,is just how vibrant and bright
this whole movie seems to me tobe.
Like the color palette,

CryBaby (01:11:22):
mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:11:22):
think we talked about in the last movie, is just
delicious to look at.

CryBaby (01:11:26):
Yeah, it is.
Whereas Bride of Chucky was verylike gothic and romantic I think
this movie, it's bright andsaturated in another way, it's
color palette is very much likea bag of Skittles or a bag of
gummy bears where it's verybright and artificial.
And I think that that's awonderful visual language to use

(01:11:47):
to carry this movie that's allabout just.
Nonsense.

Donnie (01:11:54):
Nonsense.
Yes.
Utter nonsense.

CryBaby (01:11:56):
Mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:11:57):
perfect.

CryBaby (01:11:57):
Any favorite set pieces?

Donnie (01:11:59):
Oh, I'm thinking of Jennifer Tilley's entire house.

CryBaby (01:12:03):
Oh God,

Donnie (01:12:03):
live there.
Yeah,

CryBaby (01:12:05):
that house is insane.
I think they've shot that partin Romania.

Donnie (01:12:09):
Really.

CryBaby (01:12:10):
Yeah.
A good part of the movie was inRomania.
Yeah.
I do like Jennifer Tilley'shouse.
I think that would, that wouldprobably be my favorite set
piece too.
'Cause really not much else.
There's,

Donnie (01:12:21):
Yeah, there's not much else going on.
A lot of it takes place in, inthe house.
I mean, the, her dining room andthe bedroom and things like
that.
I'm thinking specifically thedining room, living room areas
right now.
yeah.
Very, very funny.

CryBaby (01:12:32):
Yes.
What about, do you have afavorite kill in this movie?

Donnie (01:12:35):
feel like the kills are almost somewhat inconsequential
to the rest of this movie.

CryBaby (01:12:39):
Absolutely.

Donnie (01:12:40):
if they're just so we haven't even talked about them
really, you know?

CryBaby (01:12:44):
Okay, so let's go through'em real quick.
If we wanna talk abouteverything we see.
There's the parents at the topof the film, right from Gigi's
So the, the father gets stabbed,falls over a banister, the
mother slips and hits her headin the shower.

Donnie (01:12:56):
Right.
we do have the guy who gets hishead, who gets beheaded in the
Hollywood studio.

CryBaby (01:13:02):
yes, Tony Gardner gets beheaded with some piano wire or
whatever, some cable.
Oh, Brittany Spears.
Brittany Spears in this movie.

Donnie (01:13:09):
Britney Spears dies in a car crash.
Yeah.

CryBaby (01:13:13):
And then is Pete Peterson.
I know that was, apparently theyreally wanted Britney Spears to
play herself in that, and shedeclined

Donnie (01:13:20):
and she declined.
It's, it's a moment in the moviethat almost stretches it too far
for me, almost.
But

CryBaby (01:13:27):
that.
Yeah.

Donnie (01:13:27):
journey that we're on, so I'm willing to watch it.

CryBaby (01:13:30):
My thought is that is a moment in the movie that was
made specifically for thetrailer.

Donnie (01:13:34):
Yes, yes.
That makes sense.

CryBaby (01:13:36):
Yes.
okay.
So yeah, Britney Spears dies andthen the paparazzi dies.
Pete Peterson, uh, with the, wetalked about that, the melted
chemicals and then Redmond dies.
Oh, and I love that JenniferTilley calls'em Redmond.

Donnie (01:13:51):
Redmond.

CryBaby (01:13:51):
Yeah.
Mr.
Redmond, he gets gutted andeviscerated by Tiffany and then.
A couple of randos.
Yeah.
Joan gets killed by, uh, Glendagets lit on fire and falls over
a banister into the foyer.
There's some people that Chuckykilled off screen, tuck into a
closet, then Stan dies.

(01:14:13):
He, he gets a knife thrown into'em trying to protect somebody.
Yeah, they are prettyinconsequential for the most
part.
I think the only one thatcarries any weight is Joan.
but even then, I think maybethat's another reason why some
people didn't really like thismovie is because the kills they
are secondary and they're playedfor a way more comedic effect

(01:14:35):
and

Donnie (01:14:36):
And some of them don't, you know, you're, you wanna see
a whole scene.
I mean, the whole Pete Peterson,paparazzi death actually is its
own little movie, you know?

CryBaby (01:14:45):
mm-hmm.

Donnie (01:14:46):
we've become accustomed to seeing these death scenes
kind of like, you know, notnecessarily in a final
destination kind of way, butwhere there's a beginning, a
middle, and the end.
And

CryBaby (01:14:54):
Yeah.

Donnie (01:14:54):
them, like Stan dying because he jumped in front of
Jennifer Tilly as they threw aknife, or in front of Tiffany.
I can't remember who he wastrying to say.
it just, it's over like that,you know, there's no, I don't
wanna say there's no thoughtbehind it, but it's not the
elongated death scene thatwe're, you know, looking forward
to with anticipation.

CryBaby (01:15:12):
Yeah.
There's no defined set piecesfor any of these apart from the
paparazzi, and I think that'sone of the things that makes a
really good and impactful deathscene in a horror movie is
having a well established,easily identifiable, impactful
step piece the action to takeplace and for there to be, like
you said, a very clear, and fun.

(01:15:36):
Set of actions that leads tosomeone's demise.
So I guess I'm gonna have to saylike Pete Peterson's my
favorite.
I mean, it's John Waters is JohnWaters like, ugh.
What a treat to have.
John Waters is such a Chuckysuper fan too.
I'm so happy for him that he gotto be in this movie.

Donnie (01:15:52):
again, just having him there is, you know, he's a gay,
iconic, we are icons, so itelevates the gayness of this
film.

CryBaby (01:15:59):
Oh, absolutely.
you can tell that he's justloving being there and he's
having a great time being thisfilthy paparazzi.
And, it was just such a treat.
I remember that that death isthe one that really stuck with
me when I first saw this when Iwas younger, was the melting
half of his face.

Donnie (01:16:17):
Yeah, it's creepy.

CryBaby (01:16:18):
Yeah, that's that I think that seed of Chucky
everybody.
Yeah.
I mean very, very queer, both,gender queer, sexuality, like
all of it very, very much.
And like I said, this is thelast time we see Chucky in
theaters.
After this we go to Curse ofChucky, which came out I think

(01:16:40):
almost 10 years later.
I don't know the exact date.
It was a big jump.
It was similar to how there wasthere was a jump from child's
play, three to bridal Chucky,and then there was a jump from
Seed of Chucky to Curse ofChucky.
Like Chucky says he'll be back.
He always comes back.

Donnie (01:16:56):
That's right.

CryBaby (01:16:58):
Donnie, where can our listeners find you?

Donnie (01:17:00):
Oh, you can find me on the internet.
this thing called Instagramwhere you can look me up by my
full name.
If you're reading this, that'llhelp.
If you're just listening, it'sthe word, the, Donnie,
D-O-N-N-I-E.
And then my last name, which isC-I-A-N-C-I-O-T-T-O.
I'm probably the only personwith that last name on all of

(01:17:22):
Instagram, so it should berelatively easy to find me.

CryBaby (01:17:25):
Yes, and I will put it on the screen.
Everybody.
I will like write it down sothat way you can spell it.

Donnie (01:17:30):
If my name was Smith, this would be so much easier.

CryBaby (01:17:33):
it's okay.
CIA has a nice rim to it, Ithink.

Donnie (01:17:37):
It sure does.

CryBaby (01:17:39):
You can find me on the Instagram as well.
Crying in public and you canfind horror icon.
On also Instagram, that's horroricon, spelled W-H-O-R-R-O-R,
icon Pod And please feel free toemail us at horror
icon@gmail.com.

(01:18:00):
I love hearing from y'all,suggestions, comments, thoughts,
new sign for us compliments,yes, nice things.
Shoot us an email and keep aneye on social media.
'cause I'm throwing stuff upthere for, interactivity
purposes and I'm just, I'm justtrying shit out.
Help me.
We're making a show here, baby.

(01:18:22):
Let's do it.
So, that's all I have to say.
Once again, thank you so muchfor spending some time with us,
cutie patootie, and we're gonnacatch you next time with Cursive
Chucky.
Until then, don't be scaredunless you're into that sort of
thing.
Bye.

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