June 20, 2025 • 50 mins
Jenny had severe health problems and had tried everything to no avail. Being a practitioner in the alternative health realm already, she could not figure out what was going on. After years of trial and error, she began to heal subconscious thoughts she believed were related to her symptoms.
We discuss the multifaceted program she first developed for herself and then refined to be able to offer it to the public. She and her team work a lot with POTS, MCAS, Lyme Disease, Mold sensitivities, Food sensitives as well as other problems that the traditional medical community doesn’t have a lot of answers or treatments for.
Important points:
- · Root vs trigger memories
- · Comfort measures vs healing
- · Phases of chronic illness
- · Medical to holistic to functional
- · Clearing the slate and Rewiring beliefs
- · How 100% of her students finish the program
- · Daily support instead of periodic
About Jenny Peterson
Jenny’s primary focus is to help clients identify and release unconscious stressors that are preventing their body from healing and teach how to trust rather than fear their own bodies. She firmly believe that everyone can heal themselves, her team assists in providing the tools to make that happen. She has over 20 years of holistic studies, certification, and experience working with clients including
See more at https://www.themindbodyrewire.com
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Dr. Liz (00:01):
Hi everyone, dr Liz here.
My interview today is with Jenny Peterson,
who created the MindBodyRewire program, the
MindBodyRewirecom.
Now I know listeners probably don't realize,
unless you're a podcaster yourself, that we
(00:23):
get pitched multiple times a day at least
me at this point not when I first started,
but definitely eight years later.
Running a podcast, I get daily requests for
people to be on it, and her email really
caught my eye and so I went and checked out
her website and then interviewed her, and
she is fantastic.
(00:44):
My instinct was right on this.
It is pretty rare to find an online program
that has daily support of somebody, and
that's what her eight month program offers
is daily support, and the program sounds
incredible.
It really lines up with what I do in
hypnosis in terms of rewiring subconscious
(01:07):
beliefs so that you can lead a better life,
so that you can feel happier, better.
Her program is specifically targeted to
people with chronic health conditions who
really want to live easier, less suffering,
figure out what's going on.
As she says in the interview, she is often
(01:27):
the last resort.
Hypnosis is often the last resort for
people too.
So I get the same type of people that come
to me.
They've tried everything, but as a
psychotherapist, my life.
My practice is not set up to where I can do
daily check-ins with someone, and her
program offers that, which is phenomenal.
(01:47):
So I hope you really enjoy this interview,
which is all about her program, how she
came up with it, how it works, who it's for,
and that it helps you or a loved one in
some way.
I hope you're healthy and safe.
Peace, hi, jenny.
Jenny Peterson (02:09):
Welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast, thank
you so much, Elizabeth, for having me here.
I'm so excited.
Dr. Liz (02:20):
Absolutely.
Jenny Peterson (02:21):
So let's start with the chickens.
Dr. Liz (02:27):
Okay, let's start there.
That's a soft way to enter.
Yes, do you have chickens?
Personally?
Jenny Peterson (02:31):
yes, yes, I do.
Yeah, I have 20 chickens.
Yes, 20, yeah, it's been.
I don't.
I mean, for people that have chickens it's
called chicken math.
It's literally like you start with four and
eventually it's like, well, well, I had
four and all of a sudden I had 20.
I have heard that.
Actually, it's kind of crazy.
My husband started it and I just kept it
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going from there.
Dr. Liz (02:55):
Awesome, and they're backyard chickens.
Jenny Peterson (02:58):
Yes.
Dr. Liz (02:58):
Yeah, awesome, we have a couple of acres
and it's just.
Jenny Peterson (03:02):
It's just so fun that I mean, if you ever
need to just distress, like in the middle
of my day, if it's like, oh, I'm just
stressed out right now, I just walk out by
my chickens and hang out with them and it
just takes all your stress away.
It's such an amazing little creatures to
have in your backyard is a goal of mine, I
(03:25):
will tell you.
Yeah, I think it's a goal of a lot of
people's, you know.
But if there's anything I can tell you,
it's more than what you think it's going to
be.
Dr. Liz (03:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, I help take care of my
daughter's school chickens.
Jenny Peterson (03:35):
Yes.
Dr. Liz (03:36):
It is a lot of work, right.
Jenny Peterson (03:37):
Well, I mean taking care of them, like
feeding them and everything else isn't,
isn't really that hard.
It's the part of like, when they get sick
or something happens, you know it, there's
not much help out there and you learn as
you go.
You definitely learn as you go.
Dr. Liz (03:52):
I could write a book now.
Yes, but I, I think they are, um, they're
far more affectionate than people realize.
Yeah, there's one that's like so attached
to her and wanted to cuddle up under her
shirt, oh, wow, yeah, and they learn faces.
Jenny Peterson (04:12):
they can learn up to absolutely and their
names too, and their names yeah and they're
just, they're adorable.
Dr. Liz (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, so great wonderful, you're not?
You don't have an egg shortage like the
rest of the country.
Jenny Peterson (04:25):
Oh, no, I never did, never had that, I mean
mine even don't even really slow down that
much in the winter time either.
So I mean we have a good, steady pace, and
our neighbors know that as well, so we
don't have a problem getting rid of the
extra.
Dr. Liz (04:37):
Nice, very nice, all right, so let's jump
into the real reason you're here.
I thought it was on a chicken podcast,
sorry, homesteaders podcast.
Yeah, why don't you let the listeners know
(04:58):
your story?
I think when I was reading your material
and I often go and check out material
before I say, yes, let's come on the
podcast I was struck by the fact that it
started in your teens.
You had real chronic illness that started
in your teens, so can you tell the
listeners how this all started for you?
(05:19):
Sure?
Jenny Peterson (05:20):
sure, and I do want to say the reason I
love chickens is part of my healing story.
Chickens are part of the whole reason I
have them.
So I had, you know, I had chronic, chronic
skin issues and a lot of like body pain
when I was in my teens and maybe even well
before that.
And then I got in a bike accident when I
(05:40):
was 16.
And that I ended up having a cyst on my
pancreas.
So that was a that was a really big deal,
not like just a little bit of acne we're
talking, you know, we have to major surgery
here, and after my major surgery which the
whole process was probably eight months
long between them, you know, just they I
was intravenously fed for a while just to
(06:01):
see if the cyst would go away.
That didn't happen, ended up having the
cyst removed.
And then, once I was done with that, I just
had a lot of hard time digesting food,
which makes sense.
I mean, I didn't eat for several months and
then my whole digestive tract was thrown
off with the surgery and I didn't really
get much help after that.
The doctors were just like go eat a steak a
day after my surgery.
(06:23):
I was like I don't feel like I'm digesting
my food very well.
So that did lead me my mom and I to more
holistic type of help lots of enzymes and
digestive things.
And then that intrigued me because it was a
whole new world for me and I started
getting into holistic studies at a very
young age.
I was carrying around herbs and doing
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healthy diet that people are doing now.
That is really popular now.
I was doing 25 years ago when I was a
teenager and it started there where I just
became very interested in nutrition and
herbs and how the body worked.
And then right after high school I opened
my own health and wellness after I was
certified in herbalism.
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High school.
I opened my own health and wellness after I
was certified in herbalism and that started
a whole new journey of being a business
owner and also trying to help people with
their health.
And I wasn't really experiencing a lot of
symptoms during that time.
During the time of opening my business, I
was young, you know, 19, 20 years old, and
it wasn't until I ended up probably five,
six years into the business, very stressed
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out, where I started to experience symptoms.
And then I had my son when I was 28.
And my store was extremely busy at that
time and I just could not manage both the
store and being a mom and ended up selling
the store.
And after that is when it went all downhill
like the major stuff.
You know, the stuff in my childhood was
here and there, but the major stuff was
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after he was born and I ended up one night
with a major panic attack and it went
downhill from there.
Dr. Liz (07:56):
And I didn't even know what panic attacks
were.
Yeah, most people don't.
Yeah, have them at first, yeah, and I would
have to say.
Jenny Peterson (08:03):
Once I learned that I was having a panic
attack like I had many versions of that,
even when I was a child and I didn't know
that that's what it was, you know.
So I did have anxiety, but no one told me
that's what it was or what I was
experiencing in my body.
And then, once I had the panic attacks, it
just spiraled from there.
It was everyday panic attacks and I had
(08:28):
major rosacea, I had cystitis for two,
three years, continuously digestive issues,
food sensitivities, so I was sick
chronically for three years.
It was literally.
My husband got a new job, we were moving
and had my first panic attack and when he
came home two weeks later I said I can't
drive, I am having panic attacks.
I was in the ER you know he's like what
happened to you and there was just a lot of
(08:48):
stress with the move and everything just
came to a head.
And that really started my journey of
trying to figure things out.
Despite what I knew, what I was trained in,
nothing was working for me.
So I went to go see other people that were
like me and that was one of my questions
like here you are trained in herbalism.
Dr. Liz (09:08):
For listeners who who don't know, if you've
never been in I don't know, a store, let's
say facility, often acupuncturist or have a
whole wall of herbs and sometimes massage
therapists are also have that as an adjunct,
but it's really using the natural herbs to.
Usually it's like custom mixes for people,
(09:29):
correct?
Jenny Peterson (09:31):
Yeah, but there were certain lines that I,
you know, recommended and worked with,
based on my training, okay.
Dr. Liz (09:37):
So it's more like how do you describe it to
people?
Jenny Peterson (09:39):
Like herbalism, is the study of herbs and
what their you know constitutions are and
what they all do in the body and how to
grow them.
But once you understand that, you know you
really can move into using practitioner
lines clients that are in capsules.
So I didn't make those.
Of course I was using lines.
(10:00):
I did make my own teas but you know it's
the study of herbs and herbs and really
what they do in the body, the properties of
them.
Dr. Liz (10:10):
Okay, so even though you're trained in all
that, that wasn't.
Jenny Peterson (10:13):
That wasn't doing it, it wasn't fixing no
no, and I mean it was not only that, but it
was.
You know I was trained in all this
nutrition of this is how you eat.
You know all the protocols that in the
functional medicine, holistic medicine
world that are followed.
You know I was doing it and nothing was
working.
In fact, I was getting more and more
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sensitive to foods and just not able to eat
very much at all because of all the
limitations and symptoms that I had around
that.
Dr. Liz (10:45):
That is really interesting.
You're getting more and more sensitive to
foods.
I mean, I'll tell you, one of the reasons I
I took this interview was because my 19
year old is struggling with like some real
chronic GI dysautonomia symptoms.
He seems to be getting more and more
sensitive to food, exactly how you will.
Jenny Peterson (11:07):
Yeah, and that will happen because the
nervous system was heightened already.
And then when you start eating and there's
even more fear around even one sensitivity,
that nervous system just keeps going, going,
going.
And we hear people that start off with one
sensitivity and all of a sudden, all they
can do is eat three foods, and it's a
(11:31):
natural progression that happens especially
when people have multiple chronic
conditions.
Dr. Liz (11:34):
Yes, all right, so we're getting more and
more sensitive to food.
And then what came next?
Jenny Peterson (11:38):
Yeah.
So I just kept searching and I don't even
know what led me into searching for
subconscious work.
It was really I was searching for somebody
to help me with my emotions Like I knew it
was emotional and intuitively but I could
never find anybody that helped me with
beyond, just helping to release these
emotions with tapping a little bit on my
body or whatever it was like.
(11:59):
But this just doesn't feel deep enough.
So I literally got in the plane and I'm
telling you I was not healthy enough to be
getting in a plane and I went all over, all
over the country learning about
subconscious work.
In fact I called the ER when I was in my
hotel room by myself.
I mean, it was a mess, but I was destined,
or determined, I should say, to just find
(12:21):
an answer.
And I was in classes just trying to figure
out.
And once I understood the subconscious mind
I want in biologically, how we're designed
for that subconscious to be the messenger
for the rest of the body, I was like this
is it, this is it.
And once I dove into that and started doing
my own inner work, which I knew I had a lot
of childhood stuff I needed to work on, but
(12:44):
I even went to a hypnotist.
I went to therapists and they're like, well,
you aren't bad enough yet.
And like what do you mean?
I'm not bad enough.
Like I had some major trauma when I was a
child.
How are these not qualified?
You know, traumas for me to be working on?
And a lot of times I just got pushed off,
never really taken seriously.
So I just kept searching and once I learned
(13:05):
the subconscious, I actually formulated my
own kind of formula for identifying
patterns, letting them go and rewiring my
nervous system and created a structure for
myself, which is now the structure I use
with our clients, and rewired my nervous
system to be in a healthier, safer space,
(13:25):
you know, sending more messages of safety,
and everything went away.
Everything went away for me in about eight
months after doing that work continuously,
every day, every day, every day, because
for that rewiring process there has to be
something every day done.
It was, you know, I did a lot of sessions
with practitioners working on subconscious
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stuff, but that's session work and I would
go back to being the same me when I left
that office and no one was giving me daily
work of what I needed to work on creating a
2.0 version of me that created that safety
that my body was desiring.
So every day I did little things and also
stopped fearing my dang body.
(14:07):
I mean, that was first and foremost is
stopped fearing what was going on.
Once I biologically understood my body and
its symptoms are actually an indicator that
it's working wonderfully and perfectly, and
that is a whole reshift.
That is when you start to see your body
functioning normally, in the way it's
supposed to, based on how it's biologically
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designed.
You don't have fear of it anymore.
It's a really nice reframe that instantly
calms the nervous system.
So for me it was stopping the fearing of my
body.
And you know, no matter if you're in the
medical which the medical definitely leans
towards fearing your body and then even in
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the holistic world where I was, it was
always taught to me there's something wrong
in the body, there's always something to
fix.
When there's symptoms, we need to fix them.
That isn't the mindset that you want to be
in if you want to heal.
So for me that was big.
Dr. Liz (15:04):
So okay, so it's just shifting out and I
agree with you, there's always something to
fix and it's shifting out of that to the
mindset of my body's communicating with me.
Yes, when you what I need to do, yeah, I
don't need to fear it because I yeah, I see
that fear all the time.
And my daughter, like even the food in
(15:24):
particular, like I could eat this two weeks
ago and today it made me sick.
And now what?
What next is going to make me sick?
Jenny Peterson (15:32):
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, it's a spiral that just keeps going
into a deeper hole.
Okay.
Dr. Liz (15:40):
And I was impressed when I was reading
through your website you know I think it
was a podcast, because you have your own
podcast Right, and I had listened to a
couple of episodes and then I was impressed
that part of the message was like, yeah,
there's things you have to do every day, mm,
hmm, like maintenance is how I saw that,
(16:01):
and you said it is a.
I think you put it as a discipline, like
there are things you have to do, you have
to be disciplined.
It's not just like, oh, go to acupuncture
once a week or hypnosis once a week or
whatever that is.
So can you talk about some of those
disciplines?
Jenny Peterson (16:20):
Yeah.
And so for me, I categorize it.
It's two things.
There's the discipline of the like, the
maintenance, and then there's the
discipline of the specific patterns to you.
So there's the maintenance, that is, I do
visualization morning and evening, upon
waking up.
That is going to tell your nervous system
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oh, the future is safe, not the future's
scary.
The future's safe Because, again, the
messages that we send our body is how it's
biologically responding.
So if I am fearing the future, my body is
bracing for a future.
I'm going to be in anxiety, I'm going to
have nervousness.
It's preparing for protection.
(17:02):
So that visualization is very important, to
be visualizing where you want to be.
So that was very important morning and
evening.
Those are things I still do now.
And then gratitude.
Gratitude is going to help activate your
brain to start looking at things in a
positive way, rather than the negative,
nancy, which our brains have a tendency to
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go when we have chronic conditions.
We don't start off that way, but all of a
sudden we become like this big negative
Nancy and we have nothing positive to say
or even look at.
So the gratitude is very, very important.
And then movement, and I'm not talking
about like running, running or anything
like that I'm talking like yoga or any type
of somatic movement, um, in a Qigong or
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anything along those lines of slow movement,
starting to feel your body and getting
moving, which is important for also calming
the mind and body.
So that's the maintenance stuff, um, but
the stuff that is on top of that, just as
important is the specific, targeted work
for you as an individual.
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So for me, for example, it's going to be
was in fear, I was going to pass out and
die.
So I had to train around that.
(18:27):
I had to visualize I had to do what we call
a sandwich for the mind-body technique.
It's a sandwich technique where I'm going
in there and training myself around
creating a safe space around the shower.
It's how are my behaviors throughout the
day and how I'm responding to certain
situations.
If I'm feeling overwhelmed, okay, back off,
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because overwhelm and palpitations go hand
in hand, and I had palpitations nonstop,
and so for me it was when I get overwhelmed,
I need to be looking at what is causing the
overwhelm, and it's me, with my high
expectations of I need to do 10 things
right now and I am limited and I can't get
this all done and I feel rushed.
So it was for me learning about why I had
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these high expectations on myself.
So I do go back to memory, work of where
this all comes from, to find those proofs.
And then my daily work is going to be, when
those moments come up, to be rewiring with
new thoughts of, hey, if I'm feeling this
overwhelm, I'm causing this.
Nobody's doing this but me.
And what have I done to create these high
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expectations or have this overwhelm?
Probably not setting boundaries, those type
of things.
So it's the daily work that we look and say
what are your symptoms, what are the
patterns connected to your symptoms?
Where did those patterns come from?
Which is important to know?
That history, what led you to this place,
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doesn't mean we sit in the past forever,
but that's the proof and that's the proof
your subconscious is operating from.
So it's important.
And then, once we know that, we can then
tell the subconscious it's safe to let that
go Now.
We're now going to respond this way and
start that rewiring process.
Dr. Liz (20:11):
Incredible, I mean I have questions.
Jenny Peterson (20:14):
I'm sorry, I do a lot of talking, but I
want to make sure everything makes sense,
yeah.
Dr. Liz (20:21):
So part of what you're talking about is the
beliefs underneath, subconscious beliefs
that got developed at some point that
caused that overwhelm, maybe those high
expectations.
Rewiring those subconscious beliefs, first
becoming aware of them through, is your
program.
Um, how so it helps with the specific, it's
(20:41):
not just like general.
Jenny Peterson (20:44):
We identify specifically what the patterns
are for people you know the it's.
It will be very similar, like when it comes
to palpitations it's a hundred percent,
always overwhelmed.
So, biologically, we have to look at how is
the body, how is the body made?
What are the body parts?
What is that body part designed to do?
And the subconscious pattern is going to be
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connected to that.
So your skin is a protector.
So if we're having skin issues, it's going
to be where do I feel separated or not want
to be separated?
So there's always going to be like this
underlying theme, but it's going to be very
specific to you In the case of digestive
issues, how am I not digesting life very
well, or what am I holding in that needs to
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be released?
So the body systems give us a little
headstart to be targeted.
If we don't, we could throw that all aside
and we can say well, just tell me how you
feel about this particular symptom and
that's a subconscious pattern by having
those description and then we go back to
those patterns or that targeted work helps
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us say okay, now how does this relate
somewhere in your life?
Where have you felt this way before?
And 100%, every single time we can find the
connections.
Now there's always going to be.
There's going to be the root memory and
there's going to be a trigger memory.
Okay, memory is going to be before the age
of 12 or everything was established, and
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then the trigger memory is when the body
says, oh, time to spit out the symptoms.
So that's typically where we see the
between like 30 years old, 40 is when it
really starts to show, sometimes 20, but
that root memory there's really not a lot
of symptoms that show up.
For that.
That's the programming memory that the
subconscious is like.
I'm going to hold on to this for the future
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use, but there's no reason to overreact
right now.
And so when it gets reactivated somewhere
along the way, that trigger is when the
symptoms show.
So everybody's always like well, I don't,
you know, I just want to focus on what
happened before my symptoms showed up.
Okay, that's important, but that's not your
root and your root is your childhood.
So for me, I experienced those palpitations.
(22:54):
Yes, I was extremely overwhelmed when that
happened in in my uh, when we were moving,
but when I was a child, it was the same
exact feeling of when I was.
You know, my, my dad is driving the car
drunk and we're in the backseat and
screaming as kids because we're scared out
of our mind and we're overwhelmed Same
exact feeling.
Dr. Liz (23:13):
Yes, yeah, I had to work on both.
An initial sensitizing event often ISE and
it's.
It's not always one event, quote unquote
but it can be traced to one event and we do
typically think that that starts very early
in childhood, Although sometimes when
people have traumatic events happen even
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teenage, adulthood, it can begin there.
But I love how you address the both.
So it's like, okay, there's this root, that
happened, but then something happened later
to trigger all the symptoms to come forth.
Jenny Peterson (23:51):
Yes, yeah.
Dr. Liz (23:52):
Yeah, love that, and that has been my
clinical experience as well.
Like people don't come to.
I mean, sometimes obviously there's child
therapy, that parents will take kids to,
yeah, adults, and so they're like.
This seemed to come out of the blue.
Jenny Peterson (24:07):
Exactly, that's the most common thing I
hear.
It came out of the blue.
No, it didn't.
Technically, if we put this timeline
together, it makes 100% sense.
Yeah.
Dr. Liz (24:15):
My other question is do you get a lot of
POTS patients?
Oh yeah, okay, because a lot of the
symptoms you're describing sound like POTS.
Correct, yes, okay, yes.
Jenny Peterson (24:27):
A lot of POTS, a lot of MCAS, mold
sensitivities, lyme I had Lyme lots of
digestive issues, food sensitivities I mean
food sensitivities is probably our biggest
one.
Palpitations would probably be right up
there with being the top.
But you know, when people come to us
(24:48):
they've got many, many symptoms.
I mean we work with people that only have
one, but majority of people it's going to
be three or more.
Dr. Liz (24:55):
Yes, yeah, they start to overlap and all
come out they do.
Jenny Peterson (25:00):
It's oftentimes very much connected in a
lot of ways.
Dr. Liz (25:03):
Yes, okay, how does herbalism fit into this
Like, do you find that it can be helpful
for people Like that's part of their
journey, or is it more like that's
something?
Jenny Peterson (25:20):
you did in the past.
It doesn't really fit now A hundred percent.
It was.
It feels like a different lifetime for me.
I don't do anything at all anymore, not to
say that there isn't a time and place, but
everything that I do I teach, even for
myself.
I am using the work that I use now and I
very rarely pull anything out because it
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sends you in a spiral, because your body is
every day working to come back into
homeostasis and those symptoms are part of
that process.
So if I'm taking something to stop it, that
really doesn't make any sense because I'm
telling the body stop what you naturally
are supposed to be doing.
Now there might be a time where I take it
for helping with the comfort level.
(26:02):
If I'm majorly congested, you know with a
snotty nose or something like that, I might
take something to help relieve that, just
to be more comfortable.
But it's a comfort level now that I'm
grabbing those things for rather than a
fixing Got it.
Dr. Liz (26:18):
And so you know my cabinet.
It used to be yeah it's.
Jenny Peterson (26:21):
I'm not doing this to fix this, because I
know my body already knows what the heck to
do.
I'm just trying to be more comfortable
right now and within that comfort also, I
don't want to stop the healing process.
I want my body to keep doing what it's
doing.
So I'm not going to take something that's
going to interfere with that, but I'm going
to take something that supports me right
now.
Dr. Liz (26:49):
So I'm going to take something that
supports me right now, so I'm just
supporting the body during that time.
Got it.
Got it Cause there are like a million
supplements that people will recommend,
even for one condition.
Sometimes it's like have you tried that,
have you tried that?
And I understand like that is, um,
sometimes I see it as a phase of chronic
illness, correct.
Sometimes I see it as a phase of chronic
illness, correct.
It's that trying phase, like when you're
trying to figure out what the heck is going
on, why am I having all these symptoms and
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how do I fix it.
It's like that's.
Jenny Peterson (27:16):
It's a natural trajectory that we see that
we are typically the last on the list.
There is the medical, and once the medical
doesn't work, then they're going into more
of the holistic.
Then from there it's to the functional and
then they come to us and it's hard because
they've gone through like three phases and
we have to unwire all that bullshit.
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I mean there's a lot of stuff there.
There's a lot of okay, we have medical
beliefs, then we have the holistic beliefs,
then we have the holistic beliefs, we have
the functional medicine and all these
labels that you've been given.
We have to say we're going to clear the
slate Act as if you know none of this and
we need to start fresh.
So it is a whole rewiring process just to
start doing the work.
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Like a lot of people are like, when am I
going to start working on my symptoms?
We have 30 days of working on this up here
before we can even get to that, because
there's so much there that we have to
debunk and get rid of.
Otherwise your symptoms just aren't going
to move.
You're going to be in fear of it.
You're going to be reaching for a
supplement.
You're going to think it was the food.
We have to unwire all of these beliefs that
you were given.
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So I wish it wasn't that that they had to
go through that entire process.
We do have some people that went to the
medical and then come immediately to us
because of a friend or a referral, but
that's very rare.
It's always going to be that journey Not to
say it's wrong, it's just it does create a
lot more work to create the shifts before
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we can actually start doing the work on
your symptoms.
Dr. Liz (28:43):
Got it.
I mean, I think there's some value of
checking out like all right, you don't have
cancer you know Sure sure.
Do you think the labels can be helpful,
like this is what we're starting with, or
do you really see that as, like the Western
model, that isn't really useful here?
Jenny Peterson (29:04):
I don't find that it's helpful.
I mean it's helpful in the eyes of.
I know what for me was like.
I just want to be told what I have and then
it makes me feel better and it did for a
short term.
But after that I still was left with what
do I do now?
I don't, I still don't have any answers,
and then the label becomes your identity
and that's when it becomes a big problem.
So for me, like a lot of people come to me
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and they'll give me a list of their, their
labels and symptoms and I'll say I don't
want the, the, the blanket labels.
The blanket label is the, the autoimmune,
it's the pots, it's the lime, it's the mass
cell.
Those are all blanket labels Cause it's
usually somebody has multiple symptoms.
So they have this label that covers this
multiple symptoms and that doesn't tell me
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anything.
What tells me is your body, what symptoms
are you having?
Your body system is going to tell me where
we need to do the work, not a label.
So it can be helpful to help maybe ease
people's mind in the beginning, but I see
it can lead to problems because it becomes
an identity.
Got it Got it.
Dr. Liz (30:07):
Yes, okay.
So how long have you been running this?
Jenny Peterson (30:10):
program.
Seven years I've been doing this business,
yeah, this business seven years.
Dr. Liz (30:16):
Okay, I imagine it's evolved from when you
first started A lot.
Why did you decide to put it online?
Jenny Peterson (30:26):
Well, seven years ago I was running it by
myself.
I did put it online.
Then I was working out of my home with
people that were in the area a little bit
in the beginning, but then I took
everything online and ever since then
that's where it's been.
We've grown.
I have a coaching team that have coaches
that work for me.
I couldn't do it all by myself and do the
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marketing and everything else.
As a business, there's so much behind the
scenes stuff that all of a sudden you're no
longer the practitioner, you are the CEO
running the stuff behind the scenes.
So I created the structure of the program
and that's where I believe my expertise is
is understanding how the brain creates
changes and we can't just jump right in
because our nervous system is going to
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freak out.
And then I created that structure and I'm a
big process person, so I see things of.
This is the first step, this is the next
step and I've laid out.
Our program is eight months long, one for
those that are have more than three chronic
symptoms, and every single day I laid that
out and that still that has evolved to have
like.
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I created it based on my own experience
when it first started Well, obviously me
and other people are very different.
So when people started to join was like, oh,
I never thought about that.
So then I add that piece in and if you talk
to my team they'll say Jenny's always
changing and evolving the program, because
every student that joins us actually helps
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us to make the program better, because they
give us feedback at the end and we're like,
oh, we didn't think of that or we saw that
this particular situation, we need to do
things differently.
So it's evolved and, yeah, I'm just
extremely proud of where it's come and the
people that get the transformations that
they do with it.
Dr. Liz (32:08):
Okay.
So originally you started working just with
people in your area and then you said, okay,
let's take this a little bit larger and
help people whoever can find us.
Let's say, the world really, yeah, okay.
And then it evolves from there.
I tend to be very systems oriented, to like
processes, and you know this is a step by
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step Right.
Who would you say is not appropriate for it?
Like, let's say, someone really wants to
sign up, but they're like I know I'm never
going to do that.
You get a certain percentage of people who
just never finish the program generally.
But most online people will tell you People
who have an online program will tell you
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you get a certain percentage who just never
finish or never even look at it.
Jenny Peterson (32:55):
You don't.
We actually don't have that problem.
We don't have that problem.
We have everybody finishes.
And here's why Is that?
It's not a self-paced course.
You are required to show up every day.
Dr. Liz (33:05):
It's an eight month program with you every
day.
Jenny Peterson (33:09):
Yes, you have a coach to check in that is
checking on you and we hold you accountable
to doing the work.
And that is that is why I created.
What I did is because I was taking these
programs and I hold myself accountable
pretty well.
But I also found that when resistance hit
in those old patterns that I wasn't doing
the work like I should have and it took me
a while to get back going and there was no
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accountability and there was no structure
in any program that I found and DIY, I
hated because I had no coach to support me
or if I did, it was just weekly group calls.
So I took all of that experience and said I
didn't feel supported and I didn't have the
structure.
And that is key to rewiring and also
feeling like you have the support along the
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way.
So whether a person takes our eight week
program or eight month program every single,
like you have the support along the way.
So whether a person takes our eight-week
program or our eight-month program, every
single day, you have to show up.
It is not a self-paced and we have never
had anybody not complete.
I shouldn't say that I think I had one in
the seven years leave the course, but it
was due to a medical issue.
That's really impressive.
But other than that, when they sign up, we
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tell them we, we're going to hold you
accountable every single day.
You have to show up for yourself.
I mean, there might be some days that they
are more lax, you know, but they still are
showing up in the system, literally tells
you this is what you have to do today.
Check it off.
And that was.
The other thing is, I took all these
programs and no one told me what I should
be doing every day to rewire my old
patterns.
I was.
It was a guessing game.
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So I took that and said I don't want this
to be a guessing game for people.
I want them to know exactly what they need
to do.
Dr. Liz (34:39):
Fascinating, yeah, I'll often get.
I mean, in psychology we call it resistance.
But there's another word that's sort of
escaping me right now, where someone will
sometimes ask me what to do every day, and
gratitude is a very easy in my mind.
You know it's not so easy actually.
Right, discipline, um, an easy assignment,
(35:01):
let's say let's just start with some
gratitude.
But you come back the next week and they
haven't done it and it's like why not?
You know?
Like what stopped you?
We troubleshoot, like what's going on?
That stopped you.
But often people don't want the like in
between, they just want to forget.
I think your clients are probably with the
chronic conditions or at a very different
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kind of place in life.
Like, please somebody help me, is how they
end up at you.
Jenny Peterson (35:28):
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
I mean you have to want to do the work.
You definitely have to be a person that
says I'm willing to do anything to get
better and I'm willing to show up for
myself.
I mean, we had one woman that had 10 kids
and homeschooled and still did the program,
which blew our minds, you know.
But but again, like they're, committed.
Dr. Liz (35:47):
So do you, do you have an eight?
You said you have an eight week.
Do they go through that first and then do
the eight months if they want to continue
or do?
Is it two separate programs?
Jenny Peterson (35:57):
You can start at eight weeks and see if you
like it and then you can always upgrade.
Eight weeks is more ideal for someone that
has one to two symptoms, cause we can
actually work on it in that length of time.
Someone that has three or more, I always
tell people like the biggest thing is I
tell people, don't lie and cheat yourself
out of saying, well, I really only have two
symptoms, just so you only take the eight
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week and really you have five.
Don't do that because you're really it's a
disservice to yourself, because someone
that has five symptoms versus one or two
symptoms is wired completely differently,
like someone with five symptoms is in fear
of their body and always thinking about
their symptoms nonstop.
One to two symptoms that's still the case,
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but it's not nonstop and they've got
different belief systems that are not as
strong as someone that has several.
So it's a different protocol for that.
So don't cheat yourself out on that.
But our eight week is kind of a
introductory to our eight months.
So someone says I'm not, I don't really
want to do the eight month quite yet.
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I really want to see what's it about, which
I a hundred percent understand, because
there's so many programs out there now that
people are taking programs and they're
getting, you know, no results, or
over-promised and they're getting burned.
So this eight week is kind of to show you
this is what you're going to do and it's a
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short experience of what the eight month is.
Or someone that has one to two symptoms.
At the end of eight weeks you will have
already worked on those symptoms and then
you can continue with additional support in
a different way.
We have a community that graduates go into,
so it really just depends that entry level
is what.
What are you ready for and how many
symptoms do you have is really important.
We also have qualifications around
medications, so that's on our form too.
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Certain medications interfere with the
changes in the brain, so we want to make
sure that any type of depression, anxiety
or even cortisol those are all going to
interfere with our process.
Dr. Liz (37:50):
What do you mean by that?
Like they need to go off their
antidepressants.
Jenny Peterson (37:54):
You know I'm not going to tell you to go
off of that.
It's got to be a plan you want to do for
your own self with your doctor, but if
you're on the medications you cannot join
our program.
You know we'll recommend something else up
until you're off of that.
But of course we want you to be working
with your doctor with those medications.
But it can't be where you join us and be on
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those at the same time.
There's just too much going on in the brain
with those medications for us to actually
do effective work.
Dr. Liz (38:21):
Interesting I mean.
How did you discover that?
Jenny Peterson (38:25):
It's what the chemicals are doing in the
body biologically.
So if it's going in and deactivating
certain parts or moving you into what we
call a sympathetic state versus a
parasympathetic.
So let's say, for an example, cortisol,
Cortisol naturally goes in and it activates
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the sympathetic nervous system, which when
we're in sympathetic, we don't have
symptoms, and that's why symptoms go away
when you take cortisol.
But that's also telling the body stop the
healing process.
So then when you stop the cortisol, the
body goes back into the healing process.
The symptoms come back and that's when
people are like but you know it's not
working.
How can the symptom?
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Because the body never finished the healing
process to begin with.
So when you're on these medications they
are essentially pausing the healing process
and turning centers off in the brain that
are required for us to rewire.
You know we need to feel emotions, we need
to be able to go back and look at our
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experiences from a perspective that is
healthy, and a lot of these medications
interfere with the processes in the brain
for that.
So it's really looking at what is the
prescription doing in the body and how is
that interfering with the healing process
biologically.
Dr. Liz (39:47):
There's a story my mentor tells, actually,
of a young couple he was seeing.
They came in for couples therapy and they
had a wedding that was about eight months
away or so and they were there because the
man said I'm not in love with her anymore,
like I don't think I can marry her.
And this is, you know, shocking to someone
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playing with someone right, and they've
been together for a couple years or so.
And so he asked him any recent medication
changes and he had very recently gone on an
antidepressant.
And what the antidepressant?
The whole purpose is to blunt feeling.
That's the whole purpose of an
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antidepressant, exactly not
anti-antidepressant.
I will tell you straight up, some people
really, right, need them to function.
But once he went he said you know, of
course he he's like you gotta check with
your doctor but you might try and see if
the feelings come back, if you go off of it
and sure enough they did.
He was like oh, very much in love with my
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wife, my future wife, fiance.
It was the antidepressant that was really
blocking the feeling.
Jenny Peterson (40:57):
And that's exactly what it is.
I mean, how are we going to work on this
stuff if we aren't able to access that?
We have to access that part of the brain
and even the dopamine we could work on all
day long of trying to, you know, do
gratitude, do our visualization and all our
methods that we do, but that's going to be
limited because it affects the dopamine
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levels.
So I mean, and that's what we need, so the
body feels safe, you know.
So it's like well, I know as much as you
want to get well, these things are
interrupting and in order for us to help
you get results, they can't be there.
So there's some people that say, absolutely
I'm going to get off of them, go talk to my
doctor right away.
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And it could be it might take six months to
get off of them.
Follow what your doctor tells you, because
these medications can cause major side
effects.
So I'm not saying immediately stop these.
You have to get help in the proper way with
that.
But if it's your goal to get well, which we
have a lot of people do, I mean it blows me
away.
Sometimes people will say this is what I'm
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on and I'll say, okay, I can't work with
you quite yet.
Is it your plan to get off of these?
Yes, come back to me when you're done.
And they're back to me six months later and
they're wanting to do the work, which says
a lot you know, right there, I have the
same experience.
Dr. Liz (42:12):
sometimes, when someone's ready and I say
you think about it, you go away when you're
ready here, when you need me, and they do
often come back.
Sometimes it's, you know, four or five
months, sometimes it's a year.
Jenny Peterson (42:25):
Right, right, if you want the help, you're
going to continue having the drive to do
that and be motivated to do that.
What?
Dr. Liz (42:32):
kind of safety do you create when people
are going through this, because you're
talking about pretty intense emotional
experiences sometimes.
How do you make sure that they're safe
emotionally?
Jenny Peterson (42:45):
Yeah, I mean that's going to be different
from client to client.
But again it's about how quickly we go into
doing the work.
So you know we're not going to work on
memory work two days into the program.
We're going to get you prepared in your
nervous system, calm down enough to go
there.
And then our protocol that we do while
we're in session with you provides that
safety.
We're not going in reliving that is
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actually going to just reactivate the
sympathetic we kind of make a medium level
of.
We're going in there, we are working on the
experience, but not enough to go back and
actually cause the body to have a response.
So that creates an environment where we can
still do the work but we're not
reactivating the problem in the body.
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And then, of course, from client to client,
just depending on what their environment is,
like getting to know them personally.
I mean our clients are working personally
in the eight month program with their coach
for that entire time.
They get to know each other very well.
So we have to know how to read the client.
Like there's some that are ready to get to
work and their nervous system is able to
handle a little bit more, and others we
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have to go a lot slower.
Dr. Liz (43:58):
So we have to really be able to read who
we're working with and make good decisions
based off of that.
Okay, got it.
What kind of training do your coaches have,
then to do that they train with you?
Do they come?
In with you, they train with me.
Jenny Peterson (44:04):
Yeah, okay, they're all mini me's of me.
Okay, got it.
Yeah, is there anything?
Dr. Liz (44:12):
I haven't asked about that.
You would like the listeners to know more
about your program.
Jenny Peterson (44:18):
I think the best place to start is really,
if a person is interested, go to my podcast.
You're going to really get a gist of what I
teach there and have a deeper understanding
of what it is.
I did forget to talk about what the
chickens were and part of the healing yeah.
Yeah, well it is.
It's actually it's a part of my healing
story because once we moved, I was like six
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months, eight months into living in our new
place where we were, and not really getting
that much better, and I told my husband,
when I get better, I'm going to get
chickens.
Well, that must, men, don't listen right.
He heard I want chickens now and he went
and got four of them and put them in this
shed in the back.
That was not even close to being ready for
having chickens, and so what it did is it
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forced me to get up off the couch or out of
the house every single day and go outside,
even though I was scared to death of what
was going to happen when I was walking from
the house to the chicken coop, and it
forced me to take action.
It forced me to get a little uncomfortable
and move through that, and so essentially,
the chickens were part of me getting well I
mean big time because it just forced me to
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do things I normally probably wouldn't have
done, because I had somebody to take.
I had to take care of these babies, right?
Yes, so I can thank my husband for that.
And then, since then, it just continued to
grow.
Dr. Liz (45:35):
So I love it.
I love it.
I will share that.
the chickens were a big part of my
daughter's comfort when she yeah she went
into her freshman year of high school
during covid, and that was a disaster, and
so I pulled her out.
We did homeschooling for a while, which was
a disaster for me.
(45:55):
Schooling for a while, which was a disaster
for me, yes, yes.
So 10th grade she went into a private
school and it was part of her let's call it
accommodations for a better term that she
could go and sit with the chickens whenever
she needed to, whenever she needed a break
from the classroom, from everybody else,
and she did.
She took, took advantage of that.
She'd have lunch with the chickens and it
was, oh my goodness, huge part of her.
(46:16):
Yeah, healing and being comfortable in that
new school and doing right.
So similar experience there.
I love it, yeah, great.
Well, thank you so much for being on the
podcast.
I think you're just a wealth of wisdom and
I hope people do go and check out your
program.
Tell them where they can find you as well
as the name of your podcast.
Jenny Peterson (46:38):
Sure, the name of the podcast is the
Rebellious Healer and my website is
themindbodyrewirecom.
On Instagram I'm mindbodyrewire and then
Facebook is themindbodyrewire.
So those are where I'm at right now.
I do have a TikTok channel as well.
I'm not very active on there, and we do
(46:58):
have a YouTube as well.
My podcasts are on there and some shorts as
well, and that's the MindBodyRewire as well.
Dr. Liz (47:03):
Great Well, thank you so much for being
here and sharing your wisdom with everyone,
absolutely.
Thanks for having me, elizabeth.
Hi everyone, dr Liz here.
My interview today is with Jenny Peterson,
who created the MindBodyRewire program, the
MindBodyRewirecom.
Now I know listeners probably don't realize,
unless you're a podcaster yourself, that we
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get pitched multiple times a day at least
me at this point not when I first started,
but definitely eight years later.
Running a podcast, I get daily requests for
people to be on it, and her email really
caught my eye and so I went and checked out
her website and then interviewed her, and
she is fantastic.
(00:44):
My instinct was right on this.
It is pretty rare to find an online program
that has daily support of somebody, and
that's what her eight month program offers
is daily support, and the program sounds
incredible.
It really lines up with what I do in
hypnosis in terms of rewiring subconscious
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beliefs so that you can lead a better life,
so that you can feel happier, better.
Her program is specifically targeted to
people with chronic health conditions who
really want to live easier, less suffering,
figure out what's going on.
As she says in the interview, she is often
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the last resort.
Hypnosis is often the last resort for
people too.
So I get the same type of people that come
to me.
They've tried everything, but as a
psychotherapist, my life.
My practice is not set up to where I can do
daily check-ins with someone, and her
program offers that, which is phenomenal.
(01:47):
So I hope you really enjoy this interview,
which is all about her program, how she
came up with it, how it works, who it's for,
and that it helps you or a loved one in
some way.
I hope you're healthy and safe.
Peace, hi, jenny.
Jenny Peterson (02:09):
Welcome to the Hypnotize Me podcast, thank
you so much, Elizabeth, for having me here.
I'm so excited.
Dr. Liz (02:20):
Absolutely.
Jenny Peterson (02:21):
So let's start with the chickens.
Dr. Liz (02:27):
Okay, let's start there.
That's a soft way to enter.
Yes, do you have chickens?
Personally?
Jenny Peterson (02:31):
yes, yes, I do.
Yeah, I have 20 chickens.
Yes, 20, yeah, it's been.
I don't.
I mean, for people that have chickens it's
called chicken math.
It's literally like you start with four and
eventually it's like, well, well, I had
four and all of a sudden I had 20.
I have heard that.
Actually, it's kind of crazy.
My husband started it and I just kept it
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going from there.
Dr. Liz (02:55):
Awesome, and they're backyard chickens.
Jenny Peterson (02:58):
Yes.
Dr. Liz (02:58):
Yeah, awesome, we have a couple of acres
and it's just.
Jenny Peterson (03:02):
It's just so fun that I mean, if you ever
need to just distress, like in the middle
of my day, if it's like, oh, I'm just
stressed out right now, I just walk out by
my chickens and hang out with them and it
just takes all your stress away.
It's such an amazing little creatures to
have in your backyard is a goal of mine, I
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will tell you.
Yeah, I think it's a goal of a lot of
people's, you know.
But if there's anything I can tell you,
it's more than what you think it's going to
be.
Dr. Liz (03:30):
Oh yeah, yeah, I help take care of my
daughter's school chickens.
Jenny Peterson (03:35):
Yes.
Dr. Liz (03:36):
It is a lot of work, right.
Jenny Peterson (03:37):
Well, I mean taking care of them, like
feeding them and everything else isn't,
isn't really that hard.
It's the part of like, when they get sick
or something happens, you know it, there's
not much help out there and you learn as
you go.
You definitely learn as you go.
Dr. Liz (03:52):
I could write a book now.
Yes, but I, I think they are, um, they're
far more affectionate than people realize.
Yeah, there's one that's like so attached
to her and wanted to cuddle up under her
shirt, oh, wow, yeah, and they learn faces.
Jenny Peterson (04:12):
they can learn up to absolutely and their
names too, and their names yeah and they're
just, they're adorable.
Dr. Liz (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, so great wonderful, you're not?
You don't have an egg shortage like the
rest of the country.
Jenny Peterson (04:25):
Oh, no, I never did, never had that, I mean
mine even don't even really slow down that
much in the winter time either.
So I mean we have a good, steady pace, and
our neighbors know that as well, so we
don't have a problem getting rid of the
extra.
Dr. Liz (04:37):
Nice, very nice, all right, so let's jump
into the real reason you're here.
I thought it was on a chicken podcast,
sorry, homesteaders podcast.
Yeah, why don't you let the listeners know
(04:58):
your story?
I think when I was reading your material
and I often go and check out material
before I say, yes, let's come on the
podcast I was struck by the fact that it
started in your teens.
You had real chronic illness that started
in your teens, so can you tell the
listeners how this all started for you?
(05:19):
Sure?
Jenny Peterson (05:20):
sure, and I do want to say the reason I
love chickens is part of my healing story.
Chickens are part of the whole reason I
have them.
So I had, you know, I had chronic, chronic
skin issues and a lot of like body pain
when I was in my teens and maybe even well
before that.
And then I got in a bike accident when I
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was 16.
And that I ended up having a cyst on my
pancreas.
So that was a that was a really big deal,
not like just a little bit of acne we're
talking, you know, we have to major surgery
here, and after my major surgery which the
whole process was probably eight months
long between them, you know, just they I
was intravenously fed for a while just to
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see if the cyst would go away.
That didn't happen, ended up having the
cyst removed.
And then, once I was done with that, I just
had a lot of hard time digesting food,
which makes sense.
I mean, I didn't eat for several months and
then my whole digestive tract was thrown
off with the surgery and I didn't really
get much help after that.
The doctors were just like go eat a steak a
day after my surgery.
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I was like I don't feel like I'm digesting
my food very well.
So that did lead me my mom and I to more
holistic type of help lots of enzymes and
digestive things.
And then that intrigued me because it was a
whole new world for me and I started
getting into holistic studies at a very
young age.
I was carrying around herbs and doing
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healthy diet that people are doing now.
That is really popular now.
I was doing 25 years ago when I was a
teenager and it started there where I just
became very interested in nutrition and
herbs and how the body worked.
And then right after high school I opened
my own health and wellness after I was
certified in herbalism.
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High school.
I opened my own health and wellness after I
was certified in herbalism and that started
a whole new journey of being a business
owner and also trying to help people with
their health.
And I wasn't really experiencing a lot of
symptoms during that time.
During the time of opening my business, I
was young, you know, 19, 20 years old, and
it wasn't until I ended up probably five,
six years into the business, very stressed
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out, where I started to experience symptoms.
And then I had my son when I was 28.
And my store was extremely busy at that
time and I just could not manage both the
store and being a mom and ended up selling
the store.
And after that is when it went all downhill
like the major stuff.
You know, the stuff in my childhood was
here and there, but the major stuff was
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after he was born and I ended up one night
with a major panic attack and it went
downhill from there.
Dr. Liz (07:56):
And I didn't even know what panic attacks
were.
Yeah, most people don't.
Yeah, have them at first, yeah, and I would
have to say.
Jenny Peterson (08:03):
Once I learned that I was having a panic
attack like I had many versions of that,
even when I was a child and I didn't know
that that's what it was, you know.
So I did have anxiety, but no one told me
that's what it was or what I was
experiencing in my body.
And then, once I had the panic attacks, it
just spiraled from there.
It was everyday panic attacks and I had
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major rosacea, I had cystitis for two,
three years, continuously digestive issues,
food sensitivities, so I was sick
chronically for three years.
It was literally.
My husband got a new job, we were moving
and had my first panic attack and when he
came home two weeks later I said I can't
drive, I am having panic attacks.
I was in the ER you know he's like what
happened to you and there was just a lot of
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stress with the move and everything just
came to a head.
And that really started my journey of
trying to figure things out.
Despite what I knew, what I was trained in,
nothing was working for me.
So I went to go see other people that were
like me and that was one of my questions
like here you are trained in herbalism.
Dr. Liz (09:08):
For listeners who who don't know, if you've
never been in I don't know, a store, let's
say facility, often acupuncturist or have a
whole wall of herbs and sometimes massage
therapists are also have that as an adjunct,
but it's really using the natural herbs to.
Usually it's like custom mixes for people,
(09:29):
correct?
Jenny Peterson (09:31):
Yeah, but there were certain lines that I,
you know, recommended and worked with,
based on my training, okay.
Dr. Liz (09:37):
So it's more like how do you describe it to
people?
Jenny Peterson (09:39):
Like herbalism, is the study of herbs and
what their you know constitutions are and
what they all do in the body and how to
grow them.
But once you understand that, you know you
really can move into using practitioner
lines clients that are in capsules.
So I didn't make those.
Of course I was using lines.
(10:00):
I did make my own teas but you know it's
the study of herbs and herbs and really
what they do in the body, the properties of
them.
Dr. Liz (10:10):
Okay, so even though you're trained in all
that, that wasn't.
Jenny Peterson (10:13):
That wasn't doing it, it wasn't fixing no
no, and I mean it was not only that, but it
was.
You know I was trained in all this
nutrition of this is how you eat.
You know all the protocols that in the
functional medicine, holistic medicine
world that are followed.
You know I was doing it and nothing was
working.
In fact, I was getting more and more
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sensitive to foods and just not able to eat
very much at all because of all the
limitations and symptoms that I had around
that.
Dr. Liz (10:45):
That is really interesting.
You're getting more and more sensitive to
foods.
I mean, I'll tell you, one of the reasons I
I took this interview was because my 19
year old is struggling with like some real
chronic GI dysautonomia symptoms.
He seems to be getting more and more
sensitive to food, exactly how you will.
Jenny Peterson (11:07):
Yeah, and that will happen because the
nervous system was heightened already.
And then when you start eating and there's
even more fear around even one sensitivity,
that nervous system just keeps going, going,
going.
And we hear people that start off with one
sensitivity and all of a sudden, all they
can do is eat three foods, and it's a
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natural progression that happens especially
when people have multiple chronic
conditions.
Dr. Liz (11:34):
Yes, all right, so we're getting more and
more sensitive to food.
And then what came next?
Jenny Peterson (11:38):
Yeah.
So I just kept searching and I don't even
know what led me into searching for
subconscious work.
It was really I was searching for somebody
to help me with my emotions Like I knew it
was emotional and intuitively but I could
never find anybody that helped me with
beyond, just helping to release these
emotions with tapping a little bit on my
body or whatever it was like.
(11:59):
But this just doesn't feel deep enough.
So I literally got in the plane and I'm
telling you I was not healthy enough to be
getting in a plane and I went all over, all
over the country learning about
subconscious work.
In fact I called the ER when I was in my
hotel room by myself.
I mean, it was a mess, but I was destined,
or determined, I should say, to just find
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an answer.
And I was in classes just trying to figure
out.
And once I understood the subconscious mind
I want in biologically, how we're designed
for that subconscious to be the messenger
for the rest of the body, I was like this
is it, this is it.
And once I dove into that and started doing
my own inner work, which I knew I had a lot
of childhood stuff I needed to work on, but
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I even went to a hypnotist.
I went to therapists and they're like, well,
you aren't bad enough yet.
And like what do you mean?
I'm not bad enough.
Like I had some major trauma when I was a
child.
How are these not qualified?
You know, traumas for me to be working on?
And a lot of times I just got pushed off,
never really taken seriously.
So I just kept searching and once I learned
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the subconscious, I actually formulated my
own kind of formula for identifying
patterns, letting them go and rewiring my
nervous system and created a structure for
myself, which is now the structure I use
with our clients, and rewired my nervous
system to be in a healthier, safer space,
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you know, sending more messages of safety,
and everything went away.
Everything went away for me in about eight
months after doing that work continuously,
every day, every day, every day, because
for that rewiring process there has to be
something every day done.
It was, you know, I did a lot of sessions
with practitioners working on subconscious
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stuff, but that's session work and I would
go back to being the same me when I left
that office and no one was giving me daily
work of what I needed to work on creating a
2.0 version of me that created that safety
that my body was desiring.
So every day I did little things and also
stopped fearing my dang body.
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I mean, that was first and foremost is
stopped fearing what was going on.
Once I biologically understood my body and
its symptoms are actually an indicator that
it's working wonderfully and perfectly, and
that is a whole reshift.
That is when you start to see your body
functioning normally, in the way it's
supposed to, based on how it's biologically
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designed.
You don't have fear of it anymore.
It's a really nice reframe that instantly
calms the nervous system.
So for me it was stopping the fearing of my
body.
And you know, no matter if you're in the
medical which the medical definitely leans
towards fearing your body and then even in
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the holistic world where I was, it was
always taught to me there's something wrong
in the body, there's always something to
fix.
When there's symptoms, we need to fix them.
That isn't the mindset that you want to be
in if you want to heal.
So for me that was big.
Dr. Liz (15:04):
So okay, so it's just shifting out and I
agree with you, there's always something to
fix and it's shifting out of that to the
mindset of my body's communicating with me.
Yes, when you what I need to do, yeah, I
don't need to fear it because I yeah, I see
that fear all the time.
And my daughter, like even the food in
(15:24):
particular, like I could eat this two weeks
ago and today it made me sick.
And now what?
What next is going to make me sick?
Jenny Peterson (15:32):
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, it's a spiral that just keeps going
into a deeper hole.
Okay.
Dr. Liz (15:40):
And I was impressed when I was reading
through your website you know I think it
was a podcast, because you have your own
podcast Right, and I had listened to a
couple of episodes and then I was impressed
that part of the message was like, yeah,
there's things you have to do every day, mm,
hmm, like maintenance is how I saw that,
(16:01):
and you said it is a.
I think you put it as a discipline, like
there are things you have to do, you have
to be disciplined.
It's not just like, oh, go to acupuncture
once a week or hypnosis once a week or
whatever that is.
So can you talk about some of those
disciplines?
Jenny Peterson (16:20):
Yeah.
And so for me, I categorize it.
It's two things.
There's the discipline of the like, the
maintenance, and then there's the
discipline of the specific patterns to you.
So there's the maintenance, that is, I do
visualization morning and evening, upon
waking up.
That is going to tell your nervous system
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oh, the future is safe, not the future's
scary.
The future's safe Because, again, the
messages that we send our body is how it's
biologically responding.
So if I am fearing the future, my body is
bracing for a future.
I'm going to be in anxiety, I'm going to
have nervousness.
It's preparing for protection.
(17:02):
So that visualization is very important, to
be visualizing where you want to be.
So that was very important morning and
evening.
Those are things I still do now.
And then gratitude.
Gratitude is going to help activate your
brain to start looking at things in a
positive way, rather than the negative,
nancy, which our brains have a tendency to
(17:23):
go when we have chronic conditions.
We don't start off that way, but all of a
sudden we become like this big negative
Nancy and we have nothing positive to say
or even look at.
So the gratitude is very, very important.
And then movement, and I'm not talking
about like running, running or anything
like that I'm talking like yoga or any type
of somatic movement, um, in a Qigong or
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anything along those lines of slow movement,
starting to feel your body and getting
moving, which is important for also calming
the mind and body.
So that's the maintenance stuff, um, but
the stuff that is on top of that, just as
important is the specific, targeted work
for you as an individual.
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So for me, for example, it's going to be
was in fear, I was going to pass out and
die.
So I had to train around that.
(18:27):
I had to visualize I had to do what we call
a sandwich for the mind-body technique.
It's a sandwich technique where I'm going
in there and training myself around
creating a safe space around the shower.
It's how are my behaviors throughout the
day and how I'm responding to certain
situations.
If I'm feeling overwhelmed, okay, back off,
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because overwhelm and palpitations go hand
in hand, and I had palpitations nonstop,
and so for me it was when I get overwhelmed,
I need to be looking at what is causing the
overwhelm, and it's me, with my high
expectations of I need to do 10 things
right now and I am limited and I can't get
this all done and I feel rushed.
So it was for me learning about why I had
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these high expectations on myself.
So I do go back to memory, work of where
this all comes from, to find those proofs.
And then my daily work is going to be, when
those moments come up, to be rewiring with
new thoughts of, hey, if I'm feeling this
overwhelm, I'm causing this.
Nobody's doing this but me.
And what have I done to create these high
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expectations or have this overwhelm?
Probably not setting boundaries, those type
of things.
So it's the daily work that we look and say
what are your symptoms, what are the
patterns connected to your symptoms?
Where did those patterns come from?
Which is important to know?
That history, what led you to this place,
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doesn't mean we sit in the past forever,
but that's the proof and that's the proof
your subconscious is operating from.
So it's important.
And then, once we know that, we can then
tell the subconscious it's safe to let that
go Now.
We're now going to respond this way and
start that rewiring process.
Dr. Liz (20:11):
Incredible, I mean I have questions.
Jenny Peterson (20:14):
I'm sorry, I do a lot of talking, but I
want to make sure everything makes sense,
yeah.
Dr. Liz (20:21):
So part of what you're talking about is the
beliefs underneath, subconscious beliefs
that got developed at some point that
caused that overwhelm, maybe those high
expectations.
Rewiring those subconscious beliefs, first
becoming aware of them through, is your
program.
Um, how so it helps with the specific, it's
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not just like general.
Jenny Peterson (20:44):
We identify specifically what the patterns
are for people you know the it's.
It will be very similar, like when it comes
to palpitations it's a hundred percent,
always overwhelmed.
So, biologically, we have to look at how is
the body, how is the body made?
What are the body parts?
What is that body part designed to do?
And the subconscious pattern is going to be
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connected to that.
So your skin is a protector.
So if we're having skin issues, it's going
to be where do I feel separated or not want
to be separated?
So there's always going to be like this
underlying theme, but it's going to be very
specific to you In the case of digestive
issues, how am I not digesting life very
well, or what am I holding in that needs to
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be released?
So the body systems give us a little
headstart to be targeted.
If we don't, we could throw that all aside
and we can say well, just tell me how you
feel about this particular symptom and
that's a subconscious pattern by having
those description and then we go back to
those patterns or that targeted work helps
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us say okay, now how does this relate
somewhere in your life?
Where have you felt this way before?
And 100%, every single time we can find the
connections.
Now there's always going to be.
There's going to be the root memory and
there's going to be a trigger memory.
Okay, memory is going to be before the age
of 12 or everything was established, and
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then the trigger memory is when the body
says, oh, time to spit out the symptoms.
So that's typically where we see the
between like 30 years old, 40 is when it
really starts to show, sometimes 20, but
that root memory there's really not a lot
of symptoms that show up.
For that.
That's the programming memory that the
subconscious is like.
I'm going to hold on to this for the future
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use, but there's no reason to overreact
right now.
And so when it gets reactivated somewhere
along the way, that trigger is when the
symptoms show.
So everybody's always like well, I don't,
you know, I just want to focus on what
happened before my symptoms showed up.
Okay, that's important, but that's not your
root and your root is your childhood.
So for me, I experienced those palpitations.
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Yes, I was extremely overwhelmed when that
happened in in my uh, when we were moving,
but when I was a child, it was the same
exact feeling of when I was.
You know, my, my dad is driving the car
drunk and we're in the backseat and
screaming as kids because we're scared out
of our mind and we're overwhelmed Same
exact feeling.
Dr. Liz (23:13):
Yes, yeah, I had to work on both.
An initial sensitizing event often ISE and
it's.
It's not always one event, quote unquote
but it can be traced to one event and we do
typically think that that starts very early
in childhood, Although sometimes when
people have traumatic events happen even
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teenage, adulthood, it can begin there.
But I love how you address the both.
So it's like, okay, there's this root, that
happened, but then something happened later
to trigger all the symptoms to come forth.
Jenny Peterson (23:51):
Yes, yeah.
Dr. Liz (23:52):
Yeah, love that, and that has been my
clinical experience as well.
Like people don't come to.
I mean, sometimes obviously there's child
therapy, that parents will take kids to,
yeah, adults, and so they're like.
This seemed to come out of the blue.
Jenny Peterson (24:07):
Exactly, that's the most common thing I
hear.
It came out of the blue.
No, it didn't.
Technically, if we put this timeline
together, it makes 100% sense.
Yeah.
Dr. Liz (24:15):
My other question is do you get a lot of
POTS patients?
Oh yeah, okay, because a lot of the
symptoms you're describing sound like POTS.
Correct, yes, okay, yes.
Jenny Peterson (24:27):
A lot of POTS, a lot of MCAS, mold
sensitivities, lyme I had Lyme lots of
digestive issues, food sensitivities I mean
food sensitivities is probably our biggest
one.
Palpitations would probably be right up
there with being the top.
But you know, when people come to us
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they've got many, many symptoms.
I mean we work with people that only have
one, but majority of people it's going to
be three or more.
Dr. Liz (24:55):
Yes, yeah, they start to overlap and all
come out they do.
Jenny Peterson (25:00):
It's oftentimes very much connected in a
lot of ways.
Dr. Liz (25:03):
Yes, okay, how does herbalism fit into this
Like, do you find that it can be helpful
for people Like that's part of their
journey, or is it more like that's
something?
Jenny Peterson (25:20):
you did in the past.
It doesn't really fit now A hundred percent.
It was.
It feels like a different lifetime for me.
I don't do anything at all anymore, not to
say that there isn't a time and place, but
everything that I do I teach, even for
myself.
I am using the work that I use now and I
very rarely pull anything out because it
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sends you in a spiral, because your body is
every day working to come back into
homeostasis and those symptoms are part of
that process.
So if I'm taking something to stop it, that
really doesn't make any sense because I'm
telling the body stop what you naturally
are supposed to be doing.
Now there might be a time where I take it
for helping with the comfort level.
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If I'm majorly congested, you know with a
snotty nose or something like that, I might
take something to help relieve that, just
to be more comfortable.
But it's a comfort level now that I'm
grabbing those things for rather than a
fixing Got it.
Dr. Liz (26:18):
And so you know my cabinet.
It used to be yeah it's.
Jenny Peterson (26:21):
I'm not doing this to fix this, because I
know my body already knows what the heck to
do.
I'm just trying to be more comfortable
right now and within that comfort also, I
don't want to stop the healing process.
I want my body to keep doing what it's
doing.
So I'm not going to take something that's
going to interfere with that, but I'm going
to take something that supports me right
now.
Dr. Liz (26:49):
So I'm going to take something that
supports me right now, so I'm just
supporting the body during that time.
Got it.
Got it Cause there are like a million
supplements that people will recommend,
even for one condition.
Sometimes it's like have you tried that,
have you tried that?
And I understand like that is, um,
sometimes I see it as a phase of chronic
illness, correct.
Sometimes I see it as a phase of chronic
illness, correct.
It's that trying phase, like when you're
trying to figure out what the heck is going
on, why am I having all these symptoms and
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how do I fix it.
It's like that's.
Jenny Peterson (27:16):
It's a natural trajectory that we see that
we are typically the last on the list.
There is the medical, and once the medical
doesn't work, then they're going into more
of the holistic.
Then from there it's to the functional and
then they come to us and it's hard because
they've gone through like three phases and
we have to unwire all that bullshit.
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I mean there's a lot of stuff there.
There's a lot of okay, we have medical
beliefs, then we have the holistic beliefs,
then we have the holistic beliefs, we have
the functional medicine and all these
labels that you've been given.
We have to say we're going to clear the
slate Act as if you know none of this and
we need to start fresh.
So it is a whole rewiring process just to
start doing the work.
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Like a lot of people are like, when am I
going to start working on my symptoms?
We have 30 days of working on this up here
before we can even get to that, because
there's so much there that we have to
debunk and get rid of.
Otherwise your symptoms just aren't going
to move.
You're going to be in fear of it.
You're going to be reaching for a
supplement.
You're going to think it was the food.
We have to unwire all of these beliefs that
you were given.
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So I wish it wasn't that that they had to
go through that entire process.
We do have some people that went to the
medical and then come immediately to us
because of a friend or a referral, but
that's very rare.
It's always going to be that journey Not to
say it's wrong, it's just it does create a
lot more work to create the shifts before
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we can actually start doing the work on
your symptoms.
Dr. Liz (28:43):
Got it.
I mean, I think there's some value of
checking out like all right, you don't have
cancer you know Sure sure.
Do you think the labels can be helpful,
like this is what we're starting with, or
do you really see that as, like the Western
model, that isn't really useful here?
Jenny Peterson (29:04):
I don't find that it's helpful.
I mean it's helpful in the eyes of.
I know what for me was like.
I just want to be told what I have and then
it makes me feel better and it did for a
short term.
But after that I still was left with what
do I do now?
I don't, I still don't have any answers,
and then the label becomes your identity
and that's when it becomes a big problem.
So for me, like a lot of people come to me
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and they'll give me a list of their, their
labels and symptoms and I'll say I don't
want the, the, the blanket labels.
The blanket label is the, the autoimmune,
it's the pots, it's the lime, it's the mass
cell.
Those are all blanket labels Cause it's
usually somebody has multiple symptoms.
So they have this label that covers this
multiple symptoms and that doesn't tell me
(29:47):
anything.
What tells me is your body, what symptoms
are you having?
Your body system is going to tell me where
we need to do the work, not a label.
So it can be helpful to help maybe ease
people's mind in the beginning, but I see
it can lead to problems because it becomes
an identity.
Got it Got it.
Dr. Liz (30:07):
Yes, okay.
So how long have you been running this?
Jenny Peterson (30:10):
program.
Seven years I've been doing this business,
yeah, this business seven years.
Dr. Liz (30:16):
Okay, I imagine it's evolved from when you
first started A lot.
Why did you decide to put it online?
Jenny Peterson (30:26):
Well, seven years ago I was running it by
myself.
I did put it online.
Then I was working out of my home with
people that were in the area a little bit
in the beginning, but then I took
everything online and ever since then
that's where it's been.
We've grown.
I have a coaching team that have coaches
that work for me.
I couldn't do it all by myself and do the
(30:48):
marketing and everything else.
As a business, there's so much behind the
scenes stuff that all of a sudden you're no
longer the practitioner, you are the CEO
running the stuff behind the scenes.
So I created the structure of the program
and that's where I believe my expertise is
is understanding how the brain creates
changes and we can't just jump right in
because our nervous system is going to
(31:09):
freak out.
And then I created that structure and I'm a
big process person, so I see things of.
This is the first step, this is the next
step and I've laid out.
Our program is eight months long, one for
those that are have more than three chronic
symptoms, and every single day I laid that
out and that still that has evolved to have
like.
(31:29):
I created it based on my own experience
when it first started Well, obviously me
and other people are very different.
So when people started to join was like, oh,
I never thought about that.
So then I add that piece in and if you talk
to my team they'll say Jenny's always
changing and evolving the program, because
every student that joins us actually helps
(31:49):
us to make the program better, because they
give us feedback at the end and we're like,
oh, we didn't think of that or we saw that
this particular situation, we need to do
things differently.
So it's evolved and, yeah, I'm just
extremely proud of where it's come and the
people that get the transformations that
they do with it.
Dr. Liz (32:08):
Okay.
So originally you started working just with
people in your area and then you said, okay,
let's take this a little bit larger and
help people whoever can find us.
Let's say, the world really, yeah, okay.
And then it evolves from there.
I tend to be very systems oriented, to like
processes, and you know this is a step by
(32:29):
step Right.
Who would you say is not appropriate for it?
Like, let's say, someone really wants to
sign up, but they're like I know I'm never
going to do that.
You get a certain percentage of people who
just never finish the program generally.
But most online people will tell you People
who have an online program will tell you
(32:49):
you get a certain percentage who just never
finish or never even look at it.
Jenny Peterson (32:55):
You don't.
We actually don't have that problem.
We don't have that problem.
We have everybody finishes.
And here's why Is that?
It's not a self-paced course.
You are required to show up every day.
Dr. Liz (33:05):
It's an eight month program with you every
day.
Jenny Peterson (33:09):
Yes, you have a coach to check in that is
checking on you and we hold you accountable
to doing the work.
And that is that is why I created.
What I did is because I was taking these
programs and I hold myself accountable
pretty well.
But I also found that when resistance hit
in those old patterns that I wasn't doing
the work like I should have and it took me
a while to get back going and there was no
(33:31):
accountability and there was no structure
in any program that I found and DIY, I
hated because I had no coach to support me
or if I did, it was just weekly group calls.
So I took all of that experience and said I
didn't feel supported and I didn't have the
structure.
And that is key to rewiring and also
feeling like you have the support along the
(33:52):
way.
So whether a person takes our eight week
program or eight month program every single,
like you have the support along the way.
So whether a person takes our eight-week
program or our eight-month program, every
single day, you have to show up.
It is not a self-paced and we have never
had anybody not complete.
I shouldn't say that I think I had one in
the seven years leave the course, but it
was due to a medical issue.
That's really impressive.
But other than that, when they sign up, we
(34:14):
tell them we, we're going to hold you
accountable every single day.
You have to show up for yourself.
I mean, there might be some days that they
are more lax, you know, but they still are
showing up in the system, literally tells
you this is what you have to do today.
Check it off.
And that was.
The other thing is, I took all these
programs and no one told me what I should
be doing every day to rewire my old
patterns.
I was.
It was a guessing game.
(34:34):
So I took that and said I don't want this
to be a guessing game for people.
I want them to know exactly what they need
to do.
Dr. Liz (34:39):
Fascinating, yeah, I'll often get.
I mean, in psychology we call it resistance.
But there's another word that's sort of
escaping me right now, where someone will
sometimes ask me what to do every day, and
gratitude is a very easy in my mind.
You know it's not so easy actually.
Right, discipline, um, an easy assignment,
(35:01):
let's say let's just start with some
gratitude.
But you come back the next week and they
haven't done it and it's like why not?
You know?
Like what stopped you?
We troubleshoot, like what's going on?
That stopped you.
But often people don't want the like in
between, they just want to forget.
I think your clients are probably with the
chronic conditions or at a very different
(35:24):
kind of place in life.
Like, please somebody help me, is how they
end up at you.
Jenny Peterson (35:28):
Yeah, absolutely yeah.
I mean you have to want to do the work.
You definitely have to be a person that
says I'm willing to do anything to get
better and I'm willing to show up for
myself.
I mean, we had one woman that had 10 kids
and homeschooled and still did the program,
which blew our minds, you know.
But but again, like they're, committed.
Dr. Liz (35:47):
So do you, do you have an eight?
You said you have an eight week.
Do they go through that first and then do
the eight months if they want to continue
or do?
Is it two separate programs?
Jenny Peterson (35:57):
You can start at eight weeks and see if you
like it and then you can always upgrade.
Eight weeks is more ideal for someone that
has one to two symptoms, cause we can
actually work on it in that length of time.
Someone that has three or more, I always
tell people like the biggest thing is I
tell people, don't lie and cheat yourself
out of saying, well, I really only have two
symptoms, just so you only take the eight
(36:18):
week and really you have five.
Don't do that because you're really it's a
disservice to yourself, because someone
that has five symptoms versus one or two
symptoms is wired completely differently,
like someone with five symptoms is in fear
of their body and always thinking about
their symptoms nonstop.
One to two symptoms that's still the case,
(36:38):
but it's not nonstop and they've got
different belief systems that are not as
strong as someone that has several.
So it's a different protocol for that.
So don't cheat yourself out on that.
But our eight week is kind of a
introductory to our eight months.
So someone says I'm not, I don't really
want to do the eight month quite yet.
(36:58):
I really want to see what's it about, which
I a hundred percent understand, because
there's so many programs out there now that
people are taking programs and they're
getting, you know, no results, or
over-promised and they're getting burned.
So this eight week is kind of to show you
this is what you're going to do and it's a
(37:19):
short experience of what the eight month is.
Or someone that has one to two symptoms.
At the end of eight weeks you will have
already worked on those symptoms and then
you can continue with additional support in
a different way.
We have a community that graduates go into,
so it really just depends that entry level
is what.
What are you ready for and how many
symptoms do you have is really important.
We also have qualifications around
medications, so that's on our form too.
(37:40):
Certain medications interfere with the
changes in the brain, so we want to make
sure that any type of depression, anxiety
or even cortisol those are all going to
interfere with our process.
Dr. Liz (37:50):
What do you mean by that?
Like they need to go off their
antidepressants.
Jenny Peterson (37:54):
You know I'm not going to tell you to go
off of that.
It's got to be a plan you want to do for
your own self with your doctor, but if
you're on the medications you cannot join
our program.
You know we'll recommend something else up
until you're off of that.
But of course we want you to be working
with your doctor with those medications.
But it can't be where you join us and be on
(38:15):
those at the same time.
There's just too much going on in the brain
with those medications for us to actually
do effective work.
Dr. Liz (38:21):
Interesting I mean.
How did you discover that?
Jenny Peterson (38:25):
It's what the chemicals are doing in the
body biologically.
So if it's going in and deactivating
certain parts or moving you into what we
call a sympathetic state versus a
parasympathetic.
So let's say, for an example, cortisol,
Cortisol naturally goes in and it activates
(38:48):
the sympathetic nervous system, which when
we're in sympathetic, we don't have
symptoms, and that's why symptoms go away
when you take cortisol.
But that's also telling the body stop the
healing process.
So then when you stop the cortisol, the
body goes back into the healing process.
The symptoms come back and that's when
people are like but you know it's not
working.
How can the symptom?
(39:08):
Because the body never finished the healing
process to begin with.
So when you're on these medications they
are essentially pausing the healing process
and turning centers off in the brain that
are required for us to rewire.
You know we need to feel emotions, we need
to be able to go back and look at our
(39:28):
experiences from a perspective that is
healthy, and a lot of these medications
interfere with the processes in the brain
for that.
So it's really looking at what is the
prescription doing in the body and how is
that interfering with the healing process
biologically.
Dr. Liz (39:47):
There's a story my mentor tells, actually,
of a young couple he was seeing.
They came in for couples therapy and they
had a wedding that was about eight months
away or so and they were there because the
man said I'm not in love with her anymore,
like I don't think I can marry her.
And this is, you know, shocking to someone
(40:08):
playing with someone right, and they've
been together for a couple years or so.
And so he asked him any recent medication
changes and he had very recently gone on an
antidepressant.
And what the antidepressant?
The whole purpose is to blunt feeling.
That's the whole purpose of an
(40:28):
antidepressant, exactly not
anti-antidepressant.
I will tell you straight up, some people
really, right, need them to function.
But once he went he said you know, of
course he he's like you gotta check with
your doctor but you might try and see if
the feelings come back, if you go off of it
and sure enough they did.
He was like oh, very much in love with my
(40:50):
wife, my future wife, fiance.
It was the antidepressant that was really
blocking the feeling.
Jenny Peterson (40:57):
And that's exactly what it is.
I mean, how are we going to work on this
stuff if we aren't able to access that?
We have to access that part of the brain
and even the dopamine we could work on all
day long of trying to, you know, do
gratitude, do our visualization and all our
methods that we do, but that's going to be
limited because it affects the dopamine
(41:19):
levels.
So I mean, and that's what we need, so the
body feels safe, you know.
So it's like well, I know as much as you
want to get well, these things are
interrupting and in order for us to help
you get results, they can't be there.
So there's some people that say, absolutely
I'm going to get off of them, go talk to my
doctor right away.
(41:39):
And it could be it might take six months to
get off of them.
Follow what your doctor tells you, because
these medications can cause major side
effects.
So I'm not saying immediately stop these.
You have to get help in the proper way with
that.
But if it's your goal to get well, which we
have a lot of people do, I mean it blows me
away.
Sometimes people will say this is what I'm
(41:59):
on and I'll say, okay, I can't work with
you quite yet.
Is it your plan to get off of these?
Yes, come back to me when you're done.
And they're back to me six months later and
they're wanting to do the work, which says
a lot you know, right there, I have the
same experience.
Dr. Liz (42:12):
sometimes, when someone's ready and I say
you think about it, you go away when you're
ready here, when you need me, and they do
often come back.
Sometimes it's, you know, four or five
months, sometimes it's a year.
Jenny Peterson (42:25):
Right, right, if you want the help, you're
going to continue having the drive to do
that and be motivated to do that.
What?
Dr. Liz (42:32):
kind of safety do you create when people
are going through this, because you're
talking about pretty intense emotional
experiences sometimes.
How do you make sure that they're safe
emotionally?
Jenny Peterson (42:45):
Yeah, I mean that's going to be different
from client to client.
But again it's about how quickly we go into
doing the work.
So you know we're not going to work on
memory work two days into the program.
We're going to get you prepared in your
nervous system, calm down enough to go
there.
And then our protocol that we do while
we're in session with you provides that
safety.
We're not going in reliving that is
(43:08):
actually going to just reactivate the
sympathetic we kind of make a medium level
of.
We're going in there, we are working on the
experience, but not enough to go back and
actually cause the body to have a response.
So that creates an environment where we can
still do the work but we're not
reactivating the problem in the body.
(43:29):
And then, of course, from client to client,
just depending on what their environment is,
like getting to know them personally.
I mean our clients are working personally
in the eight month program with their coach
for that entire time.
They get to know each other very well.
So we have to know how to read the client.
Like there's some that are ready to get to
work and their nervous system is able to
handle a little bit more, and others we
(43:50):
have to go a lot slower.
Dr. Liz (43:58):
So we have to really be able to read who
we're working with and make good decisions
based off of that.
Okay, got it.
What kind of training do your coaches have,
then to do that they train with you?
Do they come?
In with you, they train with me.
Jenny Peterson (44:04):
Yeah, okay, they're all mini me's of me.
Okay, got it.
Yeah, is there anything?
Dr. Liz (44:12):
I haven't asked about that.
You would like the listeners to know more
about your program.
Jenny Peterson (44:18):
I think the best place to start is really,
if a person is interested, go to my podcast.
You're going to really get a gist of what I
teach there and have a deeper understanding
of what it is.
I did forget to talk about what the
chickens were and part of the healing yeah.
Yeah, well it is.
It's actually it's a part of my healing
story because once we moved, I was like six
(44:41):
months, eight months into living in our new
place where we were, and not really getting
that much better, and I told my husband,
when I get better, I'm going to get
chickens.
Well, that must, men, don't listen right.
He heard I want chickens now and he went
and got four of them and put them in this
shed in the back.
That was not even close to being ready for
having chickens, and so what it did is it
(45:01):
forced me to get up off the couch or out of
the house every single day and go outside,
even though I was scared to death of what
was going to happen when I was walking from
the house to the chicken coop, and it
forced me to take action.
It forced me to get a little uncomfortable
and move through that, and so essentially,
the chickens were part of me getting well I
mean big time because it just forced me to
(45:23):
do things I normally probably wouldn't have
done, because I had somebody to take.
I had to take care of these babies, right?
Yes, so I can thank my husband for that.
And then, since then, it just continued to
grow.
Dr. Liz (45:35):
So I love it.
I love it.
I will share that.
the chickens were a big part of my
daughter's comfort when she yeah she went
into her freshman year of high school
during covid, and that was a disaster, and
so I pulled her out.
We did homeschooling for a while, which was
a disaster for me.
(45:55):
Schooling for a while, which was a disaster
for me, yes, yes.
So 10th grade she went into a private
school and it was part of her let's call it
accommodations for a better term that she
could go and sit with the chickens whenever
she needed to, whenever she needed a break
from the classroom, from everybody else,
and she did.
She took, took advantage of that.
She'd have lunch with the chickens and it
was, oh my goodness, huge part of her.
(46:16):
Yeah, healing and being comfortable in that
new school and doing right.
So similar experience there.
I love it, yeah, great.
Well, thank you so much for being on the
podcast.
I think you're just a wealth of wisdom and
I hope people do go and check out your
program.
Tell them where they can find you as well
as the name of your podcast.
Jenny Peterson (46:38):
Sure, the name of the podcast is the
Rebellious Healer and my website is
themindbodyrewirecom.
On Instagram I'm mindbodyrewire and then
Facebook is themindbodyrewire.
So those are where I'm at right now.
I do have a TikTok channel as well.
I'm not very active on there, and we do
(46:58):
have a YouTube as well.
My podcasts are on there and some shorts as
well, and that's the MindBodyRewire as well.
Dr. Liz (47:03):
Great Well, thank you so much for being
here and sharing your wisdom with everyone,
absolutely.
Thanks for having me, elizabeth.
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