July 11, 2025 • 47 mins
Hypnotist Kati Lambert started out as an exercise physiologist working in hospitals for 30 years before doing hypnosis full-time. She shares her extensive experience working with chronic medical conditions. We also discuss how she used hypnosis to decrease side-effects she was having when she was on a GLP-1 and the potential for hypnosis to be very useful for people on GLP-1s wanting the change in their eating habits for when they are off of them.
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Dr. Liz (00:02):
Hi everyone.
Dr Liz here.
I met Katie in person after I had moved to
Jacksonville, which is in North Florida.
I was looking around for other people doing
hypnosis in the area, just to connect with
them and see what specialties they have.
Often therapists and hypnotists and
(00:23):
hypnotherapists will refer to each other if
they have certain specialty areas.
And I found Katie and we just hit it off.
So I said hey, why don't you come on the
podcast?
Because she does quite a bit of medical
hypnosis, which I don't do as much of.
Now there is some kind of sound going on in
(00:43):
the background of her audio.
I never could figure out what it was, but I
don't think it's so distracting that I was
going to not air the interview.
In fact, you may not even hear it, but I
thought I would mention it for those people
who are more sound sensitive.
I thought she gave great information during
(01:05):
the interview.
And then we also talk about the GLP-1s and
support around them and weight loss.
That's right around 30 minutes or so, in
case you want to skip ahead.
So I thought that was really interesting
information for people to hear as well.
So I went ahead and decided to air it.
Let's jump into it.
I hope you're healthy and safe Peace.
Kati Lambert (01:32):
Hi Katie, welcome to the hypnotize me
podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you, I'm so happy to be here.
I appreciate it.
Kati Lambert (01:39):
Yes, absolutely so.
Let's jump in with how you actually got
involved with hypnosis.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh boy.
So the short version of that is I.
My first exposure to hypnosis was back in
graduate school and I was getting my
master's in exercise physiology and I
thought I had, literally thought I had a
learning disability.
I failed my master's boards epically.
I was just so nervous and so just paralyzed
and probably six years later I was bumping
(02:17):
up against the deadline when you have to
get it done, and I saw a sports
psychologist and essentially we did
hypnosis and I put this on my website.
I tell everybody.
I heard words coming out of my mouth.
I didn't even know.
I knew I was so I was impressed with myself,
and so I passed epically, got my master's
(02:40):
and awesome.
Kati Lambert (02:41):
Is it an oral exam?
Yes, oh, it's oral.
Oh geez, those are hard.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
You get the opportunity to prepare your
answers.
You get a whiteboard, some paper and
pencils not even pens and we presented to
the dean of the program and the medical
director for Loyola Medical School.
Dr. Liz (03:05):
So that's not intimidating.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I had moved to Denver, Colorado at that
time too, so I flew back a couple of times
to take it and just couldn't, I couldn't do
it.
So it took me a while.
And then I've always been interested in
complementary medicine and different
techniques and different treatments out
there besides pharmaceuticals or invasive
techniques, and so hypnosis just kind of
(03:31):
fell into that.
I started studying more along the
spirituality path for a while Mediumship,
intuitive diagnoses, just intuition in
general and met some amazing people, people
who worked for NASA, people who have been
(03:51):
developing this in the UK for years, and
really just kind of fell into it.
It was kind of divine intervention in my
mind and finally just being absolutely 150%
clear on my focus and my direction and my
purpose okay, so this is how many years
(04:17):
boards um, I passed, yes, I passed my
boards in 1993.
I passed, yes, I passed my boards in 1993.
Kati Lambert (04:26):
Nobody can see you.
Yeah, yeah, oh, wow, a long time ago, okay,
I was, yeah, so then you were working as an
exercise physiologist In medical in some
way shape or form.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I started off working in surgery and then
in different places around the hospital
where I did my internships and loved it,
loved it, loved it.
So I was doing cardiac and pulmonary rehab,
inpatient and outpatient.
Moved into doing medical fitness as a
trainer, working only with people who had a
(05:04):
diagnosis of something or post-surgery pain
management that type of thing not hardcore,
you know bodybuilding training, really
helping them heal beyond physical therapy
and just keep getting stronger, and so that
that medical and that creative side of it
(05:24):
just flowed really well yeah.
Kati Lambert (05:31):
When you started getting into hypnosis,
like intuition and stuff during those years
that you were more in the medical field,
would you have intuition about a patient,
like what they needed or what caused this
or something, maybe even spiritual, going
on with them?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yes, I haven't really ever said that out
loud because in those days you didn't
really talk about it.
In medicine, yeah, yes, I could.
I've always been intuitive and very
empathic.
I spent a lot of time just bedside with
patients, yeah, just being there holding
space for them depending on what was going
(06:10):
on, and sometimes praying with them,
sometimes just I didn't really let them
know what I was noticing.
At that point I was also studying Carolyn
Mace.
I don't know if you're familiar with her,
but she is a medical intuitive.
She works with Dr Bernie Siegel at out of
(06:30):
Harvard with a 98% rate, a success rate for
medical excuse me, intuitive diagnosis.
Really.
Kati Lambert (06:41):
Yes, meaning like they can't really figure
out what's going on, or she would call it
beforehand and she'd always be right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
She would call it alongside while they were
doing the medical diagnostics, ok, and then
she worked alongside them saying, hey,
here's what I'm getting, here's what I'm
thinking and feeling, and then they would
compare that to the medical diagnostics.
Or if you could use it to enhance it,
because we know science is now finally
(07:11):
catching up to this that all conditions and
diagnoses have an energetic component,
right, something to the effect of I have
shoulder pain.
Why might that be?
That might be because I'm feeling a lot of
pressure and taking the world on my
shoulders.
That could be anxiety that's just
manifesting in a physical way.
(07:33):
Yeah, so, as you know, right, it starts
still starts in our minds With pain starts
in our mind.
It's just becomes physically manifest
wherever it shows up in the body.
Yes, so we can use that by speaking with
with patients or about what their journey
has been, what's going on with them
(07:53):
emotionally, physically, spiritually,
mentally use all of those different pieces
to intuit what we believe is going on.
Now, I do not diagnose, I don't treat.
I don't diagnose, I do not make
recommendations on a course of treatment,
(08:13):
physical treatment.
I work strictly on a referral basis with
medical and mental health providers, so I
am part of their care team.
Kati Lambert (08:24):
And these days they're not seeing you for
PT, they're seeing you for hypnosis.
Say that again, please.
They're seeing you for hypnosis.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
They are seeing me for hypnosis.
That's correct.
Primarily, the way I can describe it is I
work a lot with people who have feelings of
anxiousness.
Whatever is causing those feelings chronic
illness, chronic pain and the effects of
those diagnoses and treatments.
Kati Lambert (08:54):
Okay, so chronic pain, you said chronic
diagnoses, chronic illness.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Chronic illness.
Yes, Like autoimmune disorders IBS,
irritable bowel syndrome is a big one A lot
with gut health and you know autoimmunity
starts in our gut, right.
Yeah, we know our mind and our gut have
such a connection.
There's a lot that people can do to heal
(09:22):
all of that or not minimize the symptoms.
Kati Lambert (09:26):
Let me get clear.
So you're saying there's a lot through
hypnosis they can do to heal some of those
symptoms.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes, a good way I can describe it is if
you're healing your mind, you can heal your
body Right?
Kati Lambert (09:43):
Yes, there's interaction Like I.
I do the IBS protocol out of um University
of North Carolina medical school and is
actually the most effective treatment on
the market, far more than any medication
for difficult to treat IBS.
(10:03):
Yes, and so there was a time where I was
getting referrals from the IBS clinic in
Stanford the top doctor there so they would
come to me when it's like okay, they've
done everything and they need this extra
step.
Let's say that would really help them.
(10:25):
I actually didn't have any cases that
weren't helped by the treatment.
It's not going to take away a IBS, although
there is a medical hypnosis practitioner
who told me once, like off the record I
won't say her name because it was off the
record but she said you know, we're not
supposed to say we can cure things like
(10:45):
legally we can do that.
So when he could see you or something, but
she's like, okay, if I do this, and then
all the symptoms of IBS go away and they
don't return for 10 years, what would you
call that?
He just sort of laughed right, I got it.
We live in a culture today where legally we
cannot say some things, but we do have that
(11:08):
direct experience of hypnosis truly, truly
helping patients on a different level than
they've gotten from the, let's say, medical
community, meaning MDs, yes, and some of
the MDs are better than others.
I shared with you when I met you that I
have a daughter with IBS and some strange
(11:30):
symptoms that the Mayo Clinic is trying to
figure out in Jacksonville, and her GI
doctor was fantastic.
When we got we got a new GI doctor and we
thought we had an adequate doctor for many
years, but finally I was like this is
bullshit.
Like you know, this is the last time he's
(11:52):
going to say this is anxiety.
And so we got a new one who I literally
cried at the end of the appointment because
she explained everything, it was so
thorough and said yes, of course anxiety
affects this.
Like, absolutely, you've got to handle on
that.
You've got to go to treatment, whether
(12:13):
that's hypnosis or cognitive behavioral
therapy or whatever therapist you want to
see.
There's an interaction there.
But she didn't say, like your anxiety is
causing your IBS.
So you know, that's that Go away.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That's how some doctors are you know, oh,
and it's such a vicious cycle too, Knowing
what I know now and how much hypnosis has
helped me personally with so many
conditions, because in my family if you
have one diagnosis, you probably have 10
for different reasons.
(12:47):
Mostly autoimmune issues.
But having experienced it myself and
witnessed it and I do try my best to keep
up on the research, right now I think I
have a bibliography of about 850 citations
Whoa research in some shape or form on the
(13:09):
use of hypnosis in different applications
wow, including newborns and I don't know
how you do it with newborns, but there's
some research on that.
what are they doing with newborns?
It's more just calming them If they're
highly anxious.
They've used it in some cases with babies
(13:30):
whose mom has been addicted to drugs, so
they come into the world addicted.
They've been able to show some good results
with that just calming their nervous system
down.
Kati Lambert (13:40):
Really Is that.
I'm trying to picture it because I
volunteered at the NICU down at.
I'm trying to picture it because I
volunteered at the NICU down at Joe
DiMaggio Children's Hospital in Hollywood
for over a year holding babies.
Yes, so I would be sometimes put in the
unit with the babies that were drug
addicted.
They were born drug addicted and they were
(14:03):
weaning off um, weaning off right, and then
they have this particular cry that's so sad
and you know it just has a certain tone to
it.
That's like whoa, that's a drug-addicted
baby.
So I'm picturing this like are the
practitioners piping in the music or are
they holding the baby and murmuring to them
(14:25):
and trying to reassure them and giving
hypnotic suggestions?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think that's more of yes, it's partially
what they were doing, yeah, you know, and
that I just want a good mom does.
Yeah, right, well, if they're not drug
addicted yeah, even in that case, they may
still that energy, right, the baby still
feels that energy at conception.
Yes, they feel that they absorb all of that,
(14:50):
right?
What?
What, mom and dad?
And the environment outside the womb?
What's happening?
Yes, so they can even come into the world
feeling anxious, not recognizing it, of
course, in an anxious, heightened
neurologic state, and not know, not know
why, yes, right.
Or mom doesn't necessarily know why.
(15:12):
You know, I don't know that we always ask
about what that environment is like.
And that's one of the reasons I don't
personally practice it, but I believe that
hypnobirthing is so beautiful that moms can
be in that nice, relaxed, calm state for
pain management, for anxiety, for fears,
(15:35):
for all of the things that I imagine makes
the birth experience traumatic and so how
lovely that they can, that they can do that.
Kati Lambert (15:46):
Yeah, I took hypnobirthing with my second
and um.
I had a pretty traumatic birth anyway, but
it was not because of the hypnobirthing.
Like the hypnobirthing was actually amazing.
It was before I was trained in hypnosis,
actually oh really oh yeah, and so my doula
was actually the hypnobirthing teacher.
(16:08):
She'd see me like pop out of the trance.
The pain would go off the scale and I'd be
like, oh my God, I can't do this.
And she's like most calming woman in the
world.
Okay let's get back into trance.
She said, let's just count down and I take
(16:29):
a breath, I go back into trance and she'd
be like waves waves, as contractions are
called, waves in the birthing, and I'd go
right back in and the pain would go right
back down to like a two.
Yeah yeah, it was no fault of of my own or
or hers or anybody's actually that I wasn't
able to give natural birth, but I remember
(16:49):
the hymnobirthing experience so clearly.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh, that's beautiful.
Kati Lambert (16:55):
Oh yeah, speaking of research, when they do
research on pain control in the brain, they
know that it looks identical to drugs pain
drugs in the brain.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
The brain doesn't know any different, we're
just perceiving it differently, yes, and or
not allowing those pain pathways, the pain
signals to get through.
We can block those with directed suggestion,
directed focus, guided focus.
Because what's happening if your brain's
(17:28):
not, your mind, isn't focusing on the
physical sensation, your mind doesn't know
the difference right Between the reality
and the visualization.
And so how beautiful is that that we can
actually learn to turn down the volume, and
I love teaching, I teach everyone
self-hypnosis, especially for pain.
(17:48):
You know, control room of the mind or other
mechanisms like that, where you can learn
how to control that pain.
(18:10):
Working with me, that, okay, we'll teach
them how to turn up that pain just a little
bit, not so much that it's terrifying, but
that they can understand the power of their
own mind.
Oh yeah, they can control that.
It just have to.
You can drop into that state Anytime you
wish and go there and just reset, refocus,
and you know, if you're not noticing it, it
won't register yes, right, the focus is
(18:33):
somewhere else.
Yes, there has been some really amazing
research.
Like you mentioned stanford, of course
that's you know the mac daddy of research.
It is and it is beautiful what they're
doing out there in Harvard and Oxford and
all over the world they're doing great
research.
I was just at a conference this past
weekend in Orlando, a medical and dental
(18:56):
hypnosis conference, and there's a woman
and I cannot pronounce her last name, she's
Swedish, also a nurse.
She was presenting on her work at one of
the hospitals out there that she works in
wound care and she works in anesthesia
alongside the anesthetist on pain
(19:18):
management and so they are doing wound care
there strictly using hypnosis.
Kati Lambert (19:25):
And what are they starting to find?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
hypnosis and what.
What is?
What are they starting to find?
Well, they're finding that the patients I
want to call them patients, not clients.
Again, same thing with guided meditation
and refocused attention they're able to do
some very painful, what normally would be
very painful wound care, like degrading
wounds and they have to clean them.
She works with people who have severe burns
(19:51):
also can be very, very painful, and so she
can help them, help her patients, moderate
that pain and tamp it down during those
procedures.
Kati Lambert (20:02):
Oh my gosh, wow, wow.
I don't know if you're familiar with Dabney
Ewan.
He passed away a couple of years ago.
He was a doctor out of New Orleans and he
would get calls to the ER for guys coming
off the oil rigs with severe burns and he
(20:22):
would do hypnosis with them in those very
first critical hours and the research he
published was the wounds would heal faster.
They'd grow hair back where they shouldn't
be able to, like it was all around.
How do we help these wounds heal faster
really and the patient obviously feel
(20:44):
better and come out of pain.
So it reminds me of that research on wound
care, but you're saying it's also
tolerating procedures tolerating procedures.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
As you know, if you've even had a burn on
your hand or finger or something, they're
very painful, oh yeah, and the just the
heightened state of anxiety thereby
increases pain levels right.
There's that whole cycle, the more anxious
you have the fears of, you know, possibly
fears of needles, white coat syndrome, if
(21:19):
you want to call it a syndrome, it's even
the, you know, the anticipatory fear,
anticipatory pain.
Yeah, and so we can catch that on the front
end kind of like when I work and I'm sure
you do too with, like just pre-surgery oh
yeah, just the anxiety that people feel
sometimes, or anxiousness, pre-surgery, all
(21:40):
the unanswered questions, the what ifs, and
we do quite a bit with that as well.
We actually do a mental rehearsal several
times of that actual day, of what that
whole thing looks like, as if it's reality
again, and so it's been pretty amazing.
1890s around that time they were using
chloroform and ether for anesthesia, but
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they had a very hard time controlling it,
and so patients wouldn't necessarily make
it through the surgeries or they had major
complications, and so their nurse
anesthetist started using hypnosis for
anesthesia and they noticed the world
noticed that their outcomes were better.
(22:53):
Their survival rates were had improved,
fewer complications and that really helped
to launch them as world renowned surgeons.
We're getting such amazing outcomes
world-renowned surgeons Wow, they were
getting such amazing outcomes.
So if it worked back then thinking we can
do some great work now.
Kati Lambert (23:13):
Absolutely right, like fundamentally, we
are the same kind of human beings.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yes, or you know, if you have somebody who
might be very sensitive to anesthesia.
Yes, can't take opiates.
Uh-huh, there's still more.
Kati Lambert (23:32):
I know that they've really cracked down on
prescribing opiates I can't take opiates at
all.
Yeah, they make me so sick, do they?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, they can be wicked.
Uh, a friend of mine was.
She just had a transplant a kidney
transplant, right and she was taking
oxycodone and was starting to feel a little
anxious that oh, I don't know.
It's been six months now, maybe I don't
need to be taking this anymore.
And she was had some concerns that she
(24:01):
might be dependent and her doctor said oh,
don't worry about it, just keep taking them.
Dependent.
Kati Lambert (24:07):
And her doctor said oh, don't worry about
it, Just keep taking them.
We'll worry about that later.
What oxycodone is 10 days?
10 days to addiction is the research on it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, she asked me to work with her on that,
um to help her with any symptoms that she
may or may not have.
Kati Lambert (24:23):
Sometimes, you know, we can fabricate some
symptoms as well, but like weaning off of
it and tolerating.
I use the word tolerating but it's not
really tolerating.
It's moving into a more relaxed state and
not fearing any pain that may occur or
reduce it naturally through hypnosis,
through the suggestions Correct.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know her, her doctor is aware of it.
You know, please make sure that he knows
that this is what we're doing.
Yeah, and so we are kind of reversing the
anticipation of symptoms coming on and that
fear of, oh no, what happens if I get, if I
feel something?
Well, okay, you have no way of knowing that
(25:05):
you will feel something If you feel
something different.
This is how we'll work through it.
Work through it that way, with very
positive and powerful suggestions,
affirmations, visualization, and we work
through the day of.
This is just how it will be and you know,
you have the confidence that this will
(25:27):
always be manageable if anything arises.
So we don't get into that spiral of oh wait,
I felt assuming, yeah, assuming.
Kati Lambert (25:37):
Correct yeah Right, assuming that pain's
going to be there.
It may not.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Correct Not manufacturing something that
may or may not really be there physically
correct right she's not hallucinating it
and she's oh yeah, she's just hyper, hyper,
hyper alert.
Kati Lambert (25:55):
So we're putting down that vigilance
absolutely, and I've worked with chronic
pain patients before and I've had some
myself and autoimmune myself.
And you do get into this hyper vigilance of
like is, is that, it is that it like, is
that part of this, is that part of that,
like all the questioning?
(26:15):
And so to come out of that, actually I
think hypnosis is a wonderful use to even
relax the body, relax the mind, because
when we get into that state, we we do get
like, we tense up, we get anxious or
worried, we have concerns and, yeah, it's
(26:35):
hard to know sometimes.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, I love how you said that I work quite
a bit with people who have chronic
inflammation, as do I, for your listeners
sake.
I have psoriatic arthritis and it's in my
fingers, I'm inflamed, and I'm so used to
doing, just like you said, that progressive
relaxation.
(26:59):
I do a lot of meditation anyway.
Yeah, back in the day when it all started
in 1989, I literally could not walk for six
months.
It was that bad, wow.
It was also misdiagnosed, and so I'm kind
of like, if these are the symptoms I have
now, it's not a thing.
And I went to actually saw my
rheumatologist this morning and she was
(27:19):
looking at my hands like you have active
inflammation going on and I just I didn't
notice it because you don't feel it.
Kati Lambert (27:28):
You don't notice it.
Wow, so during meditation are you giving
yourself suggestions?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Oh, yes, I have a couple of scripts that I
wrote for myself and then I recorded them,
so I rotate through those if I need to.
Just in general, in meditation every day.
I add in some suggestions in there about
pain levels and how that feels.
Kati Lambert (27:55):
Wonderful how that feels right.
Wonderful.
I have arthritis in both knees.
Yes, I had some pain in my hip recently and
I was like oh my god, is this arthritis?
It turned out to be bursitis, which is
inflammation really it's.
I didn't know what bursitis was a week ago.
Okay, I'll just say call me.
(28:15):
I got a new friend, the uhates teacher, but
she knows so much about physiology.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah.
Kati Lambert (28:20):
Like I think that's bursitis, you know, and
she's like you have to lay off the Peloton.
I'm like no, because the exercise for me,
really releases all kinds of endorphins and
it just makes me literally feel better to
tell someone that the inflammation is high,
(28:40):
you have to rest.
It's like, oh, my God, you know, it's all
this weighing right.
We all weigh the decisions we make.
We weigh okay, let's bring the inflammation
down some so that you're not in pain all
the time.
And how do you stay active at the same time?
(29:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It is.
And then you get into it's easy to get into
that.
You know that fear cycle of, oh, I can't
exercise, it's going to hurt, yes, Okay.
And when we have that, the parts work right.
That negotiation in your own mind about,
well, I know I need to do this, work right.
That negotiation in your own mind about,
well, I know I need to do this, yeah, Okay,
it's going to hurt.
Well, is it really?
Does it have to?
(29:22):
Maybe it doesn't have to hurt?
Dr. Liz (29:24):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Knowing your levels right, so we can do
quite a bit with exercise, motivation, and
sometimes you know how we have the chatter
in our mind right, all those swirling
thoughts, yes, and that's one of the things
that I do quite often is okay, what's that
voice?
Whose voice are you hearing right now?
(29:46):
Oh, it's my voice, okay.
Well, if that pain is talking to you, what
is it saying to you?
Oh, it's screaming at me, or it's
whispering, or whatever it is, at whatever
level.
Okay well, what if?
If who's your favorite cartoon character?
Let's say I don't know, donald duck, why
not, okay?
Well, what if that voice sounded like
donald duck?
(30:08):
Speak to yourself in donald duck's voice.
They usually will start laughing.
Well, what's it saying?
Now, all this, this is ridiculous.
Or it just helps to temper down that pain
chatter in our minds?
Yeah, I do that quite a bit with food noise
too.
Kati Lambert (30:25):
Oh yeah, okay For food or people wanting to
lose weight, or Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yep.
Oftentimes, when people are wanting to lose
weight, they're hearing that constant
chatter of oh, I'm hungry, I'm hungry, oh,
what am I going to have for dinner tonight?
It's still 9am.
What am I going to have for dinner tonight?
Oh, oh, I don't know, just constantly
thinking about food.
Dr. Liz (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Or self-loathing.
Yes, all of that, all that chatter that
goes on.
And then the self-loathing, because why am
I thinking about food for so much?
Why am I obsessed about food?
Is there something wrong with me, right?
No, it's just old chatter in your mind.
And that chatter down.
Give it another voice so it doesn't have so
(31:12):
much power.
Kati Lambert (31:13):
Yes, I went on a medication for high
pressure in my eye I was only on it for 10
days, because you can't be on it long term
and brought the pressure right down, but it
took away food chatter Any listener of the
podcast for a long time knows that I
(31:34):
struggle with overeating throughout my life
and the food chatter just went silent.
Wow, yeah, yeah.
And I said to my eye doctor, the
ophthalmologist, when I went back.
I was like, is this what it's like to be on
a GLP-1?
It was not a GLP-1.
I was like, is this what it's like?
(31:55):
And he just laughed and I was like, maybe
this is what they're talking about.
The food chatter just went silent
completely away and we were just sort of,
you know, laughing about it.
I think hypnosis actually is a very good
use for that, because not everybody can be
on the GLP-1s or wants to, because we don't
really know the long-term side effects of
(32:17):
them yet.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Right, Well, and I will share with you and
your listeners that I did go on the
triseptide for a few months and I wasn't
really having food chatter.
However, when I was on it it suppressed my
whole appetite completely, knocked it out
to the point where I was having negative
(32:40):
food chatter about oh, you don't want to
eat that, that's, that's going to be gross.
It was almost, um, oh wow, nauseating
thinking of food.
Kati Lambert (32:52):
No very interesting, Katie.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Isn't that interesting.
I say that a lot these days and I knew that
couldn't be good.
You end up getting into starvation mode and
your metabolism slows way down and it can
get you can have that rebound effect happen
very easily.
So I did actually did quite a bit of
meditation around that and hypnosis,
(33:17):
self-hypnosis around that as well that food
is nutrition.
Food is energy.
You know food is good for your body and
making better choices.
I did have to force myself to eat, so I had
to do a lot of self-encouragement.
What good that did come out of that was
getting me more into that habit of making
(33:40):
better food choices and watching the
amounts in a healthy way, so I didn't stay
on that very long.
That's a lot of what we do now too for
people who might be on those medications
and maybe don't want to quit drinking or
don't want to quit the Doritos.
Well, okay, you can have the Doritos.
(34:02):
Well, let's balance that out somewhere else
to make sure you're getting the right
nutrition and the right amounts.
And so we can do a lot in hypnosis with
that about wise food choices.
Kati Lambert (34:15):
Look all the research in.
The doctors in the world are saying you
still have to change the food patterns,
even when you're on them yes, well, that's
what, that's physically what you're buying
a lot of hypnosis as a supplement to that.
I think some people have seen or feared.
Some hypnotherapists have feared like oh,
(34:35):
the hypnosis for weight loss is going to
disappear now.
And it's like oh, one, no, it isn't.
Two, it's a really good supplemental for
someone who is on a GLP-1 and does want to
change the food patterns and keep that as
permanent habits.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yes, Permanent habits is the goal.
I do work with several clients now that you
know the way I can describe it is.
If you don't want to change those patterns,
we can help with the motivation to get to a
point of wanting to change them.
Do you want to spend a little bit more
money upfront for permanent change so that
(35:16):
you can be successful permanently?
Or do you want to keep spending the money
on some very expensive medications without
really understanding the long-term effects?
Yeah, I think that's also a misnomer that,
oh well, I'll just I'll switch to the
semaglutide for maintenance and just stay
(35:37):
on that for the rest of my life.
Yeah well, we really still don't know the
long-term effects.
They have some research on it that they
know about.
Kati Lambert (35:46):
Yeah, we have, like, what's the longest
research on it?
Is it even 10 years?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't believe so.
No, yeah, I don so either.
No, they haven't done any longitudinal
studies, right?
So who?
Kati Lambert (35:59):
knows if someone can be on it the rest of
their life.
We don't even really know if the rest of
your life is 30 or 40 years.
We actually don't know that.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Right.
There might be some messages out there from
some providers that say well, we don't know
any long-term risks, so there must not be
any.
It's perfectly safe and healthy, which is
not true.
They don't know.
Kati Lambert (36:24):
There's no way.
Yeah, to me that would be an unethical
statement.
Let's say, my oldest daughter had a heart
defect and had to have a implant at two and
a half and the research on it was about 10
years old.
That's why I tipped it off in my brain and
we we agreed to it because it was a the
(36:45):
best option at the time, very non-invasive.
If she didn't, she hadn't had this then she
would have had to have open heart surgery,
you know, crack her chest and all that
stuff which you can imagine for two and a
half year old could be quite yeah, and I
can imagine more complications, all of this.
But we are very clear that the research was
(37:10):
only about 10 years old and she would be
part of the research moving forward,
actually of you know, what do these devices
do in adults and adulthood and all this
stuff.
And they said, well, we haven't found yet
any.
You know major complications that are
happening, but that doesn't mean that there
won't be.
(37:32):
So you know it's the same kind of messaging
here.
I don't think that kind of messaging is
going on with the GOP ones, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
No, it's, it's for sure not.
And you know what?
What I find frightening in that is that you
know, then they have all of these sub
pharmacies or sub you can just order it
online for $10.
It's the same thing and, yeah, it's not
regulated that way.
Yeah, so I I have a lot of concerns about
(38:01):
that.
I think they can be very helpful.
If someone chooses to be on those
medications, it takes a mindset shift.
Yes, there's a lot underneath that.
Right, and I'm not saying everybody is this
way.
If you have, I work quite a bit with some
obesity medicine doctors.
One of them told me flat out she says I
(38:22):
don't even refer to counseling Once I got
up off the floor.
She does not do, you know, any mental
health in her practice.
So I um working on that slowly with her.
There's a lot underneath that.
And even if you know someone wants to lose
30, 40 pounds yeah, uh, sorry, I take that
(38:45):
back release 30 or 40 pounds yeah, we're
using the word release right, release it,
let's, yes, just give it because,
Kati Lambert (38:53):
we don't want to find it we really don't
want to find it later.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I don't want to go find it.
Yeah, we'll just release it, give it back
to the universe.
You can take it back and I'm okay with that.
Kati Lambert (39:06):
Yeah, for the listeners, we're starting
having a hypnosis joke here.
Right, we're very specific about our
language.
Yes, we don't say weight loss, because
you're often looking for something you lost.
We don't want to find those 50 pounds again,
so instead we say release, right, keeping
(39:30):
that wherever it wants to go right?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
you don't.
It's not pain, you have discomfort.
What is your level of comfort or discomfort?
Kati Lambert (39:41):
I do use the word pain sometimes, because
sometimes discomfort to me feels
inauthentic.
It's like oh no, that's pain.
So I want to just validate in someone else
too Like I get it.
That is not always discomfort, but we're
moving towards feeling better, towards
(40:02):
moving it into discomfort, towards moving
it into relief, towards moving it into
actually.
I feel really good today.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
That's always an interesting conversation
with providers.
I know there's in the medical hypnosis
community.
There is a big push, big lobby about the
words that we choose in healthcare and
everywhere you go.
What's your level of pain?
It's right there in your face in the
hospital room and there may be pain with
(40:32):
this procedure.
Don't worry about it.
We'll give you medications and it's pain,
pain, pain, pain.
This procedure, don't worry about it, We'll
give you medications and it's pain, pain,
pain, pain.
Yeah, Okay, and they have to.
I recognize that.
Yeah, that's their language.
It does give some, it does kind of anchor
in oh well, then I must be, I'm going to
have pain.
So we anticipate that we will.
(40:53):
So it's.
It's been very interesting listening to
those conversations about how we change the
language that we use in what we do as
hypnosis, as hypnotists.
Yes, that can make a difference.
Kati Lambert (41:05):
Yes, it can.
Yeah, agreed, so we are coming to the end
of our time here.
This has been a wonderful conversation.
Is there anything else you want to let
people know about the kind of medical
hypnosis you do, and also where to find you
if they like to work with you.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, thank you.
My website is wellmindedhypnosiscom.
They can reach me online.
My email is katie K-A-T-I at
wellmindedhypnosiscom.
Feel free reach out to me, schedule a
30-minute consult.
We can chat about it.
Even if you just want more information
(41:45):
about what it can do and how I work, I just
also want people to know that it's so
important, especially in certain states,
like here in Florida.
We work on a referral basis in partnership
with clients' providers.
We want to be part of their care team.
We're constantly updating providers on
(42:06):
what's going on.
Whatever information that my client
approves me to share Usually it's just,
especially with discomfort levels that's
something we can manage.
That's something that we can measure.
So, anything measurable, I do as much as I
can about that Different perception scales,
(42:28):
pain scales, quality of life, impact scales,
scales, things like that that we really
want to be able to help clients gain some
freedom from chronic illness, chronic pain
treatments, the effects of all of those
things on that medical journey.
Kati Lambert (42:46):
Yes, wonderful.
Yeah, and I would say you said before,
preparing for surgery is a really important
component of what you're doing.
Like to improve outcomes afterwards?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
yeah, yeah, before, during and after.
It impacts your physical healing.
Emotional healing yes, especially if it's a
big traumatic surgery or even if it's not
that level.
Cortisol just stays so high in our brains
and that impacts healing.
Kati Lambert (43:21):
It does.
Yeah, Agreed.
Since I've been trained in hypnosis, I have
not had a surgery without doing my own
hypnosis for myself.
Yeah, Pre post that I listened to it.
Can't listen to it during.
But you can use hypnotic techniques.
I have one that I sell for cataract surgery
to prepare for that, Because you have to be
semi awake.
Most people there's some people due to
(43:42):
certain conditions they'll put under
completely, but most people have to be semi
awake and so that can be a little freaky.
What I found is that after I use a
recording, I can also use hypnotic
techniques during the surgery.
Anyway, we will wrap up here.
Thank you so much, Katie, for sharing that
information.
(44:02):
If you'd like to work with Katie, then you
know how to reach her.
You do online, correct, I do virtual.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yes, I absolutely do.
It's equally as effective online.
And then I have two offices one office in
Nocatee, florida, and one office in St
Augustine.
Kati Lambert (44:19):
Florida.
Okay, and that's in North Florida For those
of you who don't know.
Thank you so much for being on the podcast
and sharing your wisdom with us today.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Oh, it's my pleasure.
This was a blast.
Hi everyone.
Dr Liz here.
I met Katie in person after I had moved to
Jacksonville, which is in North Florida.
I was looking around for other people doing
hypnosis in the area, just to connect with
them and see what specialties they have.
Often therapists and hypnotists and
(00:23):
hypnotherapists will refer to each other if
they have certain specialty areas.
And I found Katie and we just hit it off.
So I said hey, why don't you come on the
podcast?
Because she does quite a bit of medical
hypnosis, which I don't do as much of.
Now there is some kind of sound going on in
(00:43):
the background of her audio.
I never could figure out what it was, but I
don't think it's so distracting that I was
going to not air the interview.
In fact, you may not even hear it, but I
thought I would mention it for those people
who are more sound sensitive.
I thought she gave great information during
(01:05):
the interview.
And then we also talk about the GLP-1s and
support around them and weight loss.
That's right around 30 minutes or so, in
case you want to skip ahead.
So I thought that was really interesting
information for people to hear as well.
So I went ahead and decided to air it.
Let's jump into it.
I hope you're healthy and safe Peace.
Kati Lambert (01:32):
Hi Katie, welcome to the hypnotize me
podcast.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you, I'm so happy to be here.
I appreciate it.
Kati Lambert (01:39):
Yes, absolutely so.
Let's jump in with how you actually got
involved with hypnosis.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Oh boy.
So the short version of that is I.
My first exposure to hypnosis was back in
graduate school and I was getting my
master's in exercise physiology and I
thought I had, literally thought I had a
learning disability.
I failed my master's boards epically.
I was just so nervous and so just paralyzed
and probably six years later I was bumping
(02:17):
up against the deadline when you have to
get it done, and I saw a sports
psychologist and essentially we did
hypnosis and I put this on my website.
I tell everybody.
I heard words coming out of my mouth.
I didn't even know.
I knew I was so I was impressed with myself,
and so I passed epically, got my master's
(02:40):
and awesome.
Kati Lambert (02:41):
Is it an oral exam?
Yes, oh, it's oral.
Oh geez, those are hard.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
You get the opportunity to prepare your
answers.
You get a whiteboard, some paper and
pencils not even pens and we presented to
the dean of the program and the medical
director for Loyola Medical School.
Dr. Liz (03:05):
So that's not intimidating.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I had moved to Denver, Colorado at that
time too, so I flew back a couple of times
to take it and just couldn't, I couldn't do
it.
So it took me a while.
And then I've always been interested in
complementary medicine and different
techniques and different treatments out
there besides pharmaceuticals or invasive
techniques, and so hypnosis just kind of
(03:31):
fell into that.
I started studying more along the
spirituality path for a while Mediumship,
intuitive diagnoses, just intuition in
general and met some amazing people, people
who worked for NASA, people who have been
(03:51):
developing this in the UK for years, and
really just kind of fell into it.
It was kind of divine intervention in my
mind and finally just being absolutely 150%
clear on my focus and my direction and my
purpose okay, so this is how many years
(04:17):
boards um, I passed, yes, I passed my
boards in 1993.
I passed, yes, I passed my boards in 1993.
Kati Lambert (04:26):
Nobody can see you.
Yeah, yeah, oh, wow, a long time ago, okay,
I was, yeah, so then you were working as an
exercise physiologist In medical in some
way shape or form.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I started off working in surgery and then
in different places around the hospital
where I did my internships and loved it,
loved it, loved it.
So I was doing cardiac and pulmonary rehab,
inpatient and outpatient.
Moved into doing medical fitness as a
trainer, working only with people who had a
(05:04):
diagnosis of something or post-surgery pain
management that type of thing not hardcore,
you know bodybuilding training, really
helping them heal beyond physical therapy
and just keep getting stronger, and so that
that medical and that creative side of it
(05:24):
just flowed really well yeah.
Kati Lambert (05:31):
When you started getting into hypnosis,
like intuition and stuff during those years
that you were more in the medical field,
would you have intuition about a patient,
like what they needed or what caused this
or something, maybe even spiritual, going
on with them?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yes, I haven't really ever said that out
loud because in those days you didn't
really talk about it.
In medicine, yeah, yes, I could.
I've always been intuitive and very
empathic.
I spent a lot of time just bedside with
patients, yeah, just being there holding
space for them depending on what was going
(06:10):
on, and sometimes praying with them,
sometimes just I didn't really let them
know what I was noticing.
At that point I was also studying Carolyn
Mace.
I don't know if you're familiar with her,
but she is a medical intuitive.
She works with Dr Bernie Siegel at out of
(06:30):
Harvard with a 98% rate, a success rate for
medical excuse me, intuitive diagnosis.
Really.
Kati Lambert (06:41):
Yes, meaning like they can't really figure
out what's going on, or she would call it
beforehand and she'd always be right.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
She would call it alongside while they were
doing the medical diagnostics, ok, and then
she worked alongside them saying, hey,
here's what I'm getting, here's what I'm
thinking and feeling, and then they would
compare that to the medical diagnostics.
Or if you could use it to enhance it,
because we know science is now finally
(07:11):
catching up to this that all conditions and
diagnoses have an energetic component,
right, something to the effect of I have
shoulder pain.
Why might that be?
That might be because I'm feeling a lot of
pressure and taking the world on my
shoulders.
That could be anxiety that's just
manifesting in a physical way.
(07:33):
Yeah, so, as you know, right, it starts
still starts in our minds With pain starts
in our mind.
It's just becomes physically manifest
wherever it shows up in the body.
Yes, so we can use that by speaking with
with patients or about what their journey
has been, what's going on with them
(07:53):
emotionally, physically, spiritually,
mentally use all of those different pieces
to intuit what we believe is going on.
Now, I do not diagnose, I don't treat.
I don't diagnose, I do not make
recommendations on a course of treatment,
(08:13):
physical treatment.
I work strictly on a referral basis with
medical and mental health providers, so I
am part of their care team.
Kati Lambert (08:24):
And these days they're not seeing you for
PT, they're seeing you for hypnosis.
Say that again, please.
They're seeing you for hypnosis.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
They are seeing me for hypnosis.
That's correct.
Primarily, the way I can describe it is I
work a lot with people who have feelings of
anxiousness.
Whatever is causing those feelings chronic
illness, chronic pain and the effects of
those diagnoses and treatments.
Kati Lambert (08:54):
Okay, so chronic pain, you said chronic
diagnoses, chronic illness.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Chronic illness.
Yes, Like autoimmune disorders IBS,
irritable bowel syndrome is a big one A lot
with gut health and you know autoimmunity
starts in our gut, right.
Yeah, we know our mind and our gut have
such a connection.
There's a lot that people can do to heal
(09:22):
all of that or not minimize the symptoms.
Kati Lambert (09:26):
Let me get clear.
So you're saying there's a lot through
hypnosis they can do to heal some of those
symptoms.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes, a good way I can describe it is if
you're healing your mind, you can heal your
body Right?
Kati Lambert (09:43):
Yes, there's interaction Like I.
I do the IBS protocol out of um University
of North Carolina medical school and is
actually the most effective treatment on
the market, far more than any medication
for difficult to treat IBS.
(10:03):
Yes, and so there was a time where I was
getting referrals from the IBS clinic in
Stanford the top doctor there so they would
come to me when it's like okay, they've
done everything and they need this extra
step.
Let's say that would really help them.
(10:25):
I actually didn't have any cases that
weren't helped by the treatment.
It's not going to take away a IBS, although
there is a medical hypnosis practitioner
who told me once, like off the record I
won't say her name because it was off the
record but she said you know, we're not
supposed to say we can cure things like
(10:45):
legally we can do that.
So when he could see you or something, but
she's like, okay, if I do this, and then
all the symptoms of IBS go away and they
don't return for 10 years, what would you
call that?
He just sort of laughed right, I got it.
We live in a culture today where legally we
cannot say some things, but we do have that
(11:08):
direct experience of hypnosis truly, truly
helping patients on a different level than
they've gotten from the, let's say, medical
community, meaning MDs, yes, and some of
the MDs are better than others.
I shared with you when I met you that I
have a daughter with IBS and some strange
(11:30):
symptoms that the Mayo Clinic is trying to
figure out in Jacksonville, and her GI
doctor was fantastic.
When we got we got a new GI doctor and we
thought we had an adequate doctor for many
years, but finally I was like this is
bullshit.
Like you know, this is the last time he's
(11:52):
going to say this is anxiety.
And so we got a new one who I literally
cried at the end of the appointment because
she explained everything, it was so
thorough and said yes, of course anxiety
affects this.
Like, absolutely, you've got to handle on
that.
You've got to go to treatment, whether
(12:13):
that's hypnosis or cognitive behavioral
therapy or whatever therapist you want to
see.
There's an interaction there.
But she didn't say, like your anxiety is
causing your IBS.
So you know, that's that Go away.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That's how some doctors are you know, oh,
and it's such a vicious cycle too, Knowing
what I know now and how much hypnosis has
helped me personally with so many
conditions, because in my family if you
have one diagnosis, you probably have 10
for different reasons.
(12:47):
Mostly autoimmune issues.
But having experienced it myself and
witnessed it and I do try my best to keep
up on the research, right now I think I
have a bibliography of about 850 citations
Whoa research in some shape or form on the
(13:09):
use of hypnosis in different applications
wow, including newborns and I don't know
how you do it with newborns, but there's
some research on that.
what are they doing with newborns?
It's more just calming them If they're
highly anxious.
They've used it in some cases with babies
(13:30):
whose mom has been addicted to drugs, so
they come into the world addicted.
They've been able to show some good results
with that just calming their nervous system
down.
Kati Lambert (13:40):
Really Is that.
I'm trying to picture it because I
volunteered at the NICU down at.
I'm trying to picture it because I
volunteered at the NICU down at Joe
DiMaggio Children's Hospital in Hollywood
for over a year holding babies.
Yes, so I would be sometimes put in the
unit with the babies that were drug
addicted.
They were born drug addicted and they were
(14:03):
weaning off um, weaning off right, and then
they have this particular cry that's so sad
and you know it just has a certain tone to
it.
That's like whoa, that's a drug-addicted
baby.
So I'm picturing this like are the
practitioners piping in the music or are
they holding the baby and murmuring to them
(14:25):
and trying to reassure them and giving
hypnotic suggestions?
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I think that's more of yes, it's partially
what they were doing, yeah, you know, and
that I just want a good mom does.
Yeah, right, well, if they're not drug
addicted yeah, even in that case, they may
still that energy, right, the baby still
feels that energy at conception.
Yes, they feel that they absorb all of that,
(14:50):
right?
What?
What, mom and dad?
And the environment outside the womb?
What's happening?
Yes, so they can even come into the world
feeling anxious, not recognizing it, of
course, in an anxious, heightened
neurologic state, and not know, not know
why, yes, right.
Or mom doesn't necessarily know why.
(15:12):
You know, I don't know that we always ask
about what that environment is like.
And that's one of the reasons I don't
personally practice it, but I believe that
hypnobirthing is so beautiful that moms can
be in that nice, relaxed, calm state for
pain management, for anxiety, for fears,
(15:35):
for all of the things that I imagine makes
the birth experience traumatic and so how
lovely that they can, that they can do that.
Kati Lambert (15:46):
Yeah, I took hypnobirthing with my second
and um.
I had a pretty traumatic birth anyway, but
it was not because of the hypnobirthing.
Like the hypnobirthing was actually amazing.
It was before I was trained in hypnosis,
actually oh really oh yeah, and so my doula
was actually the hypnobirthing teacher.
(16:08):
She'd see me like pop out of the trance.
The pain would go off the scale and I'd be
like, oh my God, I can't do this.
And she's like most calming woman in the
world.
Okay let's get back into trance.
She said, let's just count down and I take
(16:29):
a breath, I go back into trance and she'd
be like waves waves, as contractions are
called, waves in the birthing, and I'd go
right back in and the pain would go right
back down to like a two.
Yeah yeah, it was no fault of of my own or
or hers or anybody's actually that I wasn't
able to give natural birth, but I remember
(16:49):
the hymnobirthing experience so clearly.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Oh, that's beautiful.
Kati Lambert (16:55):
Oh yeah, speaking of research, when they do
research on pain control in the brain, they
know that it looks identical to drugs pain
drugs in the brain.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
The brain doesn't know any different, we're
just perceiving it differently, yes, and or
not allowing those pain pathways, the pain
signals to get through.
We can block those with directed suggestion,
directed focus, guided focus.
Because what's happening if your brain's
(17:28):
not, your mind, isn't focusing on the
physical sensation, your mind doesn't know
the difference right Between the reality
and the visualization.
And so how beautiful is that that we can
actually learn to turn down the volume, and
I love teaching, I teach everyone
self-hypnosis, especially for pain.
(17:48):
You know, control room of the mind or other
mechanisms like that, where you can learn
how to control that pain.
(18:10):
Working with me, that, okay, we'll teach
them how to turn up that pain just a little
bit, not so much that it's terrifying, but
that they can understand the power of their
own mind.
Oh yeah, they can control that.
It just have to.
You can drop into that state Anytime you
wish and go there and just reset, refocus,
and you know, if you're not noticing it, it
won't register yes, right, the focus is
(18:33):
somewhere else.
Yes, there has been some really amazing
research.
Like you mentioned stanford, of course
that's you know the mac daddy of research.
It is and it is beautiful what they're
doing out there in Harvard and Oxford and
all over the world they're doing great
research.
I was just at a conference this past
weekend in Orlando, a medical and dental
(18:56):
hypnosis conference, and there's a woman
and I cannot pronounce her last name, she's
Swedish, also a nurse.
She was presenting on her work at one of
the hospitals out there that she works in
wound care and she works in anesthesia
alongside the anesthetist on pain
(19:18):
management and so they are doing wound care
there strictly using hypnosis.
Kati Lambert (19:25):
And what are they starting to find?
Speaker 3 (19:29):
hypnosis and what.
What is?
What are they starting to find?
Well, they're finding that the patients I
want to call them patients, not clients.
Again, same thing with guided meditation
and refocused attention they're able to do
some very painful, what normally would be
very painful wound care, like degrading
wounds and they have to clean them.
She works with people who have severe burns
(19:51):
also can be very, very painful, and so she
can help them, help her patients, moderate
that pain and tamp it down during those
procedures.
Kati Lambert (20:02):
Oh my gosh, wow, wow.
I don't know if you're familiar with Dabney
Ewan.
He passed away a couple of years ago.
He was a doctor out of New Orleans and he
would get calls to the ER for guys coming
off the oil rigs with severe burns and he
(20:22):
would do hypnosis with them in those very
first critical hours and the research he
published was the wounds would heal faster.
They'd grow hair back where they shouldn't
be able to, like it was all around.
How do we help these wounds heal faster
really and the patient obviously feel
(20:44):
better and come out of pain.
So it reminds me of that research on wound
care, but you're saying it's also
tolerating procedures tolerating procedures.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
As you know, if you've even had a burn on
your hand or finger or something, they're
very painful, oh yeah, and the just the
heightened state of anxiety thereby
increases pain levels right.
There's that whole cycle, the more anxious
you have the fears of, you know, possibly
fears of needles, white coat syndrome, if
(21:19):
you want to call it a syndrome, it's even
the, you know, the anticipatory fear,
anticipatory pain.
Yeah, and so we can catch that on the front
end kind of like when I work and I'm sure
you do too with, like just pre-surgery oh
yeah, just the anxiety that people feel
sometimes, or anxiousness, pre-surgery, all
(21:40):
the unanswered questions, the what ifs, and
we do quite a bit with that as well.
We actually do a mental rehearsal several
times of that actual day, of what that
whole thing looks like, as if it's reality
again, and so it's been pretty amazing.
1890s around that time they were using
chloroform and ether for anesthesia, but
(22:33):
they had a very hard time controlling it,
and so patients wouldn't necessarily make
it through the surgeries or they had major
complications, and so their nurse
anesthetist started using hypnosis for
anesthesia and they noticed the world
noticed that their outcomes were better.
(22:53):
Their survival rates were had improved,
fewer complications and that really helped
to launch them as world renowned surgeons.
We're getting such amazing outcomes
world-renowned surgeons Wow, they were
getting such amazing outcomes.
So if it worked back then thinking we can
do some great work now.
Kati Lambert (23:13):
Absolutely right, like fundamentally, we
are the same kind of human beings.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Yes, or you know, if you have somebody who
might be very sensitive to anesthesia.
Yes, can't take opiates.
Uh-huh, there's still more.
Kati Lambert (23:32):
I know that they've really cracked down on
prescribing opiates I can't take opiates at
all.
Yeah, they make me so sick, do they?
Speaker 3 (23:40):
yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, they can be wicked.
Uh, a friend of mine was.
She just had a transplant a kidney
transplant, right and she was taking
oxycodone and was starting to feel a little
anxious that oh, I don't know.
It's been six months now, maybe I don't
need to be taking this anymore.
And she was had some concerns that she
(24:01):
might be dependent and her doctor said oh,
don't worry about it, just keep taking them.
Dependent.
Kati Lambert (24:07):
And her doctor said oh, don't worry about
it, Just keep taking them.
We'll worry about that later.
What oxycodone is 10 days?
10 days to addiction is the research on it.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Yeah, she asked me to work with her on that,
um to help her with any symptoms that she
may or may not have.
Kati Lambert (24:23):
Sometimes, you know, we can fabricate some
symptoms as well, but like weaning off of
it and tolerating.
I use the word tolerating but it's not
really tolerating.
It's moving into a more relaxed state and
not fearing any pain that may occur or
reduce it naturally through hypnosis,
through the suggestions Correct.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
You know her, her doctor is aware of it.
You know, please make sure that he knows
that this is what we're doing.
Yeah, and so we are kind of reversing the
anticipation of symptoms coming on and that
fear of, oh no, what happens if I get, if I
feel something?
Well, okay, you have no way of knowing that
(25:05):
you will feel something If you feel
something different.
This is how we'll work through it.
Work through it that way, with very
positive and powerful suggestions,
affirmations, visualization, and we work
through the day of.
This is just how it will be and you know,
you have the confidence that this will
(25:27):
always be manageable if anything arises.
So we don't get into that spiral of oh wait,
I felt assuming, yeah, assuming.
Kati Lambert (25:37):
Correct yeah Right, assuming that pain's
going to be there.
It may not.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Correct Not manufacturing something that
may or may not really be there physically
correct right she's not hallucinating it
and she's oh yeah, she's just hyper, hyper,
hyper alert.
Kati Lambert (25:55):
So we're putting down that vigilance
absolutely, and I've worked with chronic
pain patients before and I've had some
myself and autoimmune myself.
And you do get into this hyper vigilance of
like is, is that, it is that it like, is
that part of this, is that part of that,
like all the questioning?
(26:15):
And so to come out of that, actually I
think hypnosis is a wonderful use to even
relax the body, relax the mind, because
when we get into that state, we we do get
like, we tense up, we get anxious or
worried, we have concerns and, yeah, it's
(26:35):
hard to know sometimes.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well, I love how you said that I work quite
a bit with people who have chronic
inflammation, as do I, for your listeners
sake.
I have psoriatic arthritis and it's in my
fingers, I'm inflamed, and I'm so used to
doing, just like you said, that progressive
relaxation.
(26:59):
I do a lot of meditation anyway.
Yeah, back in the day when it all started
in 1989, I literally could not walk for six
months.
It was that bad, wow.
It was also misdiagnosed, and so I'm kind
of like, if these are the symptoms I have
now, it's not a thing.
And I went to actually saw my
rheumatologist this morning and she was
(27:19):
looking at my hands like you have active
inflammation going on and I just I didn't
notice it because you don't feel it.
Kati Lambert (27:28):
You don't notice it.
Wow, so during meditation are you giving
yourself suggestions?
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Oh, yes, I have a couple of scripts that I
wrote for myself and then I recorded them,
so I rotate through those if I need to.
Just in general, in meditation every day.
I add in some suggestions in there about
pain levels and how that feels.
Kati Lambert (27:55):
Wonderful how that feels right.
Wonderful.
I have arthritis in both knees.
Yes, I had some pain in my hip recently and
I was like oh my god, is this arthritis?
It turned out to be bursitis, which is
inflammation really it's.
I didn't know what bursitis was a week ago.
Okay, I'll just say call me.
(28:15):
I got a new friend, the uhates teacher, but
she knows so much about physiology.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Yeah.
Kati Lambert (28:20):
Like I think that's bursitis, you know, and
she's like you have to lay off the Peloton.
I'm like no, because the exercise for me,
really releases all kinds of endorphins and
it just makes me literally feel better to
tell someone that the inflammation is high,
(28:40):
you have to rest.
It's like, oh, my God, you know, it's all
this weighing right.
We all weigh the decisions we make.
We weigh okay, let's bring the inflammation
down some so that you're not in pain all
the time.
And how do you stay active at the same time?
(29:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
It is.
And then you get into it's easy to get into
that.
You know that fear cycle of, oh, I can't
exercise, it's going to hurt, yes, Okay.
And when we have that, the parts work right.
That negotiation in your own mind about,
well, I know I need to do this, work right.
That negotiation in your own mind about,
well, I know I need to do this, yeah, Okay,
it's going to hurt.
Well, is it really?
Does it have to?
(29:22):
Maybe it doesn't have to hurt?
Dr. Liz (29:24):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Knowing your levels right, so we can do
quite a bit with exercise, motivation, and
sometimes you know how we have the chatter
in our mind right, all those swirling
thoughts, yes, and that's one of the things
that I do quite often is okay, what's that
voice?
Whose voice are you hearing right now?
(29:46):
Oh, it's my voice, okay.
Well, if that pain is talking to you, what
is it saying to you?
Oh, it's screaming at me, or it's
whispering, or whatever it is, at whatever
level.
Okay well, what if?
If who's your favorite cartoon character?
Let's say I don't know, donald duck, why
not, okay?
Well, what if that voice sounded like
donald duck?
(30:08):
Speak to yourself in donald duck's voice.
They usually will start laughing.
Well, what's it saying?
Now, all this, this is ridiculous.
Or it just helps to temper down that pain
chatter in our minds?
Yeah, I do that quite a bit with food noise
too.
Kati Lambert (30:25):
Oh yeah, okay For food or people wanting to
lose weight, or Okay.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Yep.
Oftentimes, when people are wanting to lose
weight, they're hearing that constant
chatter of oh, I'm hungry, I'm hungry, oh,
what am I going to have for dinner tonight?
It's still 9am.
What am I going to have for dinner tonight?
Oh, oh, I don't know, just constantly
thinking about food.
Dr. Liz (30:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Or self-loathing.
Yes, all of that, all that chatter that
goes on.
And then the self-loathing, because why am
I thinking about food for so much?
Why am I obsessed about food?
Is there something wrong with me, right?
No, it's just old chatter in your mind.
And that chatter down.
Give it another voice so it doesn't have so
(31:12):
much power.
Kati Lambert (31:13):
Yes, I went on a medication for high
pressure in my eye I was only on it for 10
days, because you can't be on it long term
and brought the pressure right down, but it
took away food chatter Any listener of the
podcast for a long time knows that I
(31:34):
struggle with overeating throughout my life
and the food chatter just went silent.
Wow, yeah, yeah.
And I said to my eye doctor, the
ophthalmologist, when I went back.
I was like, is this what it's like to be on
a GLP-1?
It was not a GLP-1.
I was like, is this what it's like?
(31:55):
And he just laughed and I was like, maybe
this is what they're talking about.
The food chatter just went silent
completely away and we were just sort of,
you know, laughing about it.
I think hypnosis actually is a very good
use for that, because not everybody can be
on the GLP-1s or wants to, because we don't
really know the long-term side effects of
(32:17):
them yet.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Right, Well, and I will share with you and
your listeners that I did go on the
triseptide for a few months and I wasn't
really having food chatter.
However, when I was on it it suppressed my
whole appetite completely, knocked it out
to the point where I was having negative
(32:40):
food chatter about oh, you don't want to
eat that, that's, that's going to be gross.
It was almost, um, oh wow, nauseating
thinking of food.
Kati Lambert (32:52):
No very interesting, Katie.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Isn't that interesting.
I say that a lot these days and I knew that
couldn't be good.
You end up getting into starvation mode and
your metabolism slows way down and it can
get you can have that rebound effect happen
very easily.
So I did actually did quite a bit of
meditation around that and hypnosis,
(33:17):
self-hypnosis around that as well that food
is nutrition.
Food is energy.
You know food is good for your body and
making better choices.
I did have to force myself to eat, so I had
to do a lot of self-encouragement.
What good that did come out of that was
getting me more into that habit of making
(33:40):
better food choices and watching the
amounts in a healthy way, so I didn't stay
on that very long.
That's a lot of what we do now too for
people who might be on those medications
and maybe don't want to quit drinking or
don't want to quit the Doritos.
Well, okay, you can have the Doritos.
(34:02):
Well, let's balance that out somewhere else
to make sure you're getting the right
nutrition and the right amounts.
And so we can do a lot in hypnosis with
that about wise food choices.
Kati Lambert (34:15):
Look all the research in.
The doctors in the world are saying you
still have to change the food patterns,
even when you're on them yes, well, that's
what, that's physically what you're buying
a lot of hypnosis as a supplement to that.
I think some people have seen or feared.
Some hypnotherapists have feared like oh,
(34:35):
the hypnosis for weight loss is going to
disappear now.
And it's like oh, one, no, it isn't.
Two, it's a really good supplemental for
someone who is on a GLP-1 and does want to
change the food patterns and keep that as
permanent habits.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
Yes, Permanent habits is the goal.
I do work with several clients now that you
know the way I can describe it is.
If you don't want to change those patterns,
we can help with the motivation to get to a
point of wanting to change them.
Do you want to spend a little bit more
money upfront for permanent change so that
(35:16):
you can be successful permanently?
Or do you want to keep spending the money
on some very expensive medications without
really understanding the long-term effects?
Yeah, I think that's also a misnomer that,
oh well, I'll just I'll switch to the
semaglutide for maintenance and just stay
(35:37):
on that for the rest of my life.
Yeah well, we really still don't know the
long-term effects.
They have some research on it that they
know about.
Kati Lambert (35:46):
Yeah, we have, like, what's the longest
research on it?
Is it even 10 years?
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I don't believe so.
No, yeah, I don so either.
No, they haven't done any longitudinal
studies, right?
So who?
Kati Lambert (35:59):
knows if someone can be on it the rest of
their life.
We don't even really know if the rest of
your life is 30 or 40 years.
We actually don't know that.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Right.
There might be some messages out there from
some providers that say well, we don't know
any long-term risks, so there must not be
any.
It's perfectly safe and healthy, which is
not true.
They don't know.
Kati Lambert (36:24):
There's no way.
Yeah, to me that would be an unethical
statement.
Let's say, my oldest daughter had a heart
defect and had to have a implant at two and
a half and the research on it was about 10
years old.
That's why I tipped it off in my brain and
we we agreed to it because it was a the
(36:45):
best option at the time, very non-invasive.
If she didn't, she hadn't had this then she
would have had to have open heart surgery,
you know, crack her chest and all that
stuff which you can imagine for two and a
half year old could be quite yeah, and I
can imagine more complications, all of this.
But we are very clear that the research was
(37:10):
only about 10 years old and she would be
part of the research moving forward,
actually of you know, what do these devices
do in adults and adulthood and all this
stuff.
And they said, well, we haven't found yet
any.
You know major complications that are
happening, but that doesn't mean that there
won't be.
(37:32):
So you know it's the same kind of messaging
here.
I don't think that kind of messaging is
going on with the GOP ones, to be honest.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
No, it's, it's for sure not.
And you know what?
What I find frightening in that is that you
know, then they have all of these sub
pharmacies or sub you can just order it
online for $10.
It's the same thing and, yeah, it's not
regulated that way.
Yeah, so I I have a lot of concerns about
(38:01):
that.
I think they can be very helpful.
If someone chooses to be on those
medications, it takes a mindset shift.
Yes, there's a lot underneath that.
Right, and I'm not saying everybody is this
way.
If you have, I work quite a bit with some
obesity medicine doctors.
One of them told me flat out she says I
(38:22):
don't even refer to counseling Once I got
up off the floor.
She does not do, you know, any mental
health in her practice.
So I um working on that slowly with her.
There's a lot underneath that.
And even if you know someone wants to lose
30, 40 pounds yeah, uh, sorry, I take that
(38:45):
back release 30 or 40 pounds yeah, we're
using the word release right, release it,
let's, yes, just give it because,
Kati Lambert (38:53):
we don't want to find it we really don't
want to find it later.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
I don't want to go find it.
Yeah, we'll just release it, give it back
to the universe.
You can take it back and I'm okay with that.
Kati Lambert (39:06):
Yeah, for the listeners, we're starting
having a hypnosis joke here.
Right, we're very specific about our
language.
Yes, we don't say weight loss, because
you're often looking for something you lost.
We don't want to find those 50 pounds again,
so instead we say release, right, keeping
(39:30):
that wherever it wants to go right?
Speaker 3 (39:32):
you don't.
It's not pain, you have discomfort.
What is your level of comfort or discomfort?
Kati Lambert (39:41):
I do use the word pain sometimes, because
sometimes discomfort to me feels
inauthentic.
It's like oh no, that's pain.
So I want to just validate in someone else
too Like I get it.
That is not always discomfort, but we're
moving towards feeling better, towards
(40:02):
moving it into discomfort, towards moving
it into relief, towards moving it into
actually.
I feel really good today.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
That's always an interesting conversation
with providers.
I know there's in the medical hypnosis
community.
There is a big push, big lobby about the
words that we choose in healthcare and
everywhere you go.
What's your level of pain?
It's right there in your face in the
hospital room and there may be pain with
(40:32):
this procedure.
Don't worry about it.
We'll give you medications and it's pain,
pain, pain, pain.
This procedure, don't worry about it, We'll
give you medications and it's pain, pain,
pain, pain.
Yeah, Okay, and they have to.
I recognize that.
Yeah, that's their language.
It does give some, it does kind of anchor
in oh well, then I must be, I'm going to
have pain.
So we anticipate that we will.
(40:53):
So it's.
It's been very interesting listening to
those conversations about how we change the
language that we use in what we do as
hypnosis, as hypnotists.
Yes, that can make a difference.
Kati Lambert (41:05):
Yes, it can.
Yeah, agreed, so we are coming to the end
of our time here.
This has been a wonderful conversation.
Is there anything else you want to let
people know about the kind of medical
hypnosis you do, and also where to find you
if they like to work with you.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Yeah, thank you.
My website is wellmindedhypnosiscom.
They can reach me online.
My email is katie K-A-T-I at
wellmindedhypnosiscom.
Feel free reach out to me, schedule a
30-minute consult.
We can chat about it.
Even if you just want more information
(41:45):
about what it can do and how I work, I just
also want people to know that it's so
important, especially in certain states,
like here in Florida.
We work on a referral basis in partnership
with clients' providers.
We want to be part of their care team.
We're constantly updating providers on
(42:06):
what's going on.
Whatever information that my client
approves me to share Usually it's just,
especially with discomfort levels that's
something we can manage.
That's something that we can measure.
So, anything measurable, I do as much as I
can about that Different perception scales,
(42:28):
pain scales, quality of life, impact scales,
scales, things like that that we really
want to be able to help clients gain some
freedom from chronic illness, chronic pain
treatments, the effects of all of those
things on that medical journey.
Kati Lambert (42:46):
Yes, wonderful.
Yeah, and I would say you said before,
preparing for surgery is a really important
component of what you're doing.
Like to improve outcomes afterwards?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
yeah, yeah, before, during and after.
It impacts your physical healing.
Emotional healing yes, especially if it's a
big traumatic surgery or even if it's not
that level.
Cortisol just stays so high in our brains
and that impacts healing.
Kati Lambert (43:21):
It does.
Yeah, Agreed.
Since I've been trained in hypnosis, I have
not had a surgery without doing my own
hypnosis for myself.
Yeah, Pre post that I listened to it.
Can't listen to it during.
But you can use hypnotic techniques.
I have one that I sell for cataract surgery
to prepare for that, Because you have to be
semi awake.
Most people there's some people due to
(43:42):
certain conditions they'll put under
completely, but most people have to be semi
awake and so that can be a little freaky.
What I found is that after I use a
recording, I can also use hypnotic
techniques during the surgery.
Anyway, we will wrap up here.
Thank you so much, Katie, for sharing that
information.
(44:02):
If you'd like to work with Katie, then you
know how to reach her.
You do online, correct, I do virtual.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yes, I absolutely do.
It's equally as effective online.
And then I have two offices one office in
Nocatee, florida, and one office in St
Augustine.
Kati Lambert (44:19):
Florida.
Okay, and that's in North Florida For those
of you who don't know.
Thank you so much for being on the podcast
and sharing your wisdom with us today.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
Oh, it's my pleasure.
This was a blast.
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