October 24, 2025 • 17 mins
Willie talks with WLWT's Brian Hemrick about his interaction with Cincinnati City Manager Sheryl Long about her decision to suspend police Chief Teresa Theetge.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, now, Billy Cunningham, the Great America from the
Double Wide and Naples and New Year, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
My little week's.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Vacation was wonderful. It was a stay vacation. I monitored
five nine twelve nineteen our newsroom. I read the Inquiry
every day. I talked to Tony Bender at least three
times a day, which is half the time I talked
to Joe Dieters. So it was a wonderful week off.
But now I'm back at it. And while I monitor everything,
you have to point out to Tony Tony Pike, remember
that guy.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He's back.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Tony Pike is in the Hall of Fame with UC.
We got the UC Bearcats tied for first place in
the Big twelve, the Big eleven, the Big fourteen. Then
we have the Ben Galley's of course on Sunday against
the Lowly Jets, and that we could have a quarterback controversy.
If Wacko Flacco keeps playing like this when Joe's ready
to come back Burrow, he may not get his old
job back. But that's another matter. Joining you and I
(00:55):
now is the Great Brian Hambrick of the Power of
Five and Brian Hamrick Welcome to the Bill cunning A Show.
My first guest after a week off from my double
wide and near Naples. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Brian,
how are you good?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thanks for getting mister Cunningham.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, I was there monitoring events. There was a classic
scene I had from your newsroom when you're running down
the hallway of eight to one Plump Street trying to
chase down share along. She was morphing into various objects,
and you got close to her, she became a chair,
and then when you walked away, she suddenly popped up.
It came like a water cooler, and then you moved
a little bit, she became a door. In other words,
(01:31):
she avoided you like you had the plague or you
had COVID and you were chasing Charey along eight of
one Plump Street for what reason? In the hallways she
ignored you completely explained that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
One well, you know, I mean James Round didn't have
better moves sometimes.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, I feel good, I feel good, or.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Any one of them to try and get out of
the way of the questioning. I mean, Walter Payton could
have not moved more swiftly, agilely.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It was unbelievable. You know, people think maybe, you know,
we get a kick out of this. You know, was
much easier for me if they just come out and
tell us what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
You know, we don't choose to walk them down like this.
But the reality is we have been trying over and
over and over to talk to anybody in the city
managers and mostly the city managers.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's what everybody wants to hear from. She is at
the center of this entire event. Good batter indifferent might
be the greatest thing that ever happened, But that's the
person that you need to talk to because everybody else
can just debate this thing. We can all talk about, well,
you know, this city councilman wants to do it this
(02:53):
where he likes it, or he doesn't like it, or
he's not sure what it's about. The mayor is not
sure what it's about. Nobody knows. She's the only one
who has the information. We got to go to the
person with the information. Now, you know, on their side,
their side of it is, it's a personnel matter, it's
an ongoing investigation. We can't tell you anything. Well, that's
(03:15):
that's just not enough. I mean, there are things. You
can tell us. I mean, you can tell us. There
is no reason why you can't give us a basic
understanding of what the investigation is about. You know, there's
no information on that. So we go down to City
Hall and I had already prepared that this is what
(03:37):
it was going to be. Like, I knew she was
coming into this. It was a with some sort of
a pressor. Now, if you don't want to see me
or any of the other TV stations, why would you
hold a press conference on a very It was like
she was getting an award for hiring folks with disabilities
(03:57):
or something. Why would you hold that press conference that day?
Put it off until next week, you know, do something
else you don't you don't put up press go who
do you think is going to show up? We're all
showing up. We all want to know the same thing.
So I go up there coming, Yeah, so I think
I show up. Yet the chief wants to know, you know,
(04:19):
apparently she's not even sure the folks her attorney said,
they have no idea why they fire or didn't fire,
but they put her on this administrative leave. They fire,
they haven't yet. Well here's the thing, there's two different Uh, Uh,
there's two different ways of looking like at this. Apparently
under the charter there's one set of rules and if
(04:40):
she if uh, if they have her under the charter,
there's one set of rules. And if she is a
contract employees, there's a second set of rules. Under the contract,
they can just fire her. So if they're looking at
like she's under the contract, then they need to just
fire her.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Right, she serves for the pleasure of the city manager
and if you're not giving me pleasure. And until she
was fired, ill used the term fire discharge. She was
the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've seen all the news.
We're all on the same page. Thinks she's doing a
great job. July twenty six, she kind of went after
the media thing. You shouldn't be publicizing what happened to
Holly in July twenty six. She's doing a great job.
(05:21):
But let's go down history's hallway just a little bit.
Let's go back to Cheryl Long, who was the assistant
city manager at North College Hill, the home.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Of the Trojans.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Assistant city manager making little or no money, and at
that point and North College Hill was in financial and
physical emergency. There were gunshots fired to the football field
a couple times. North College Jaill shall always say, is
not well run. And so the city gets together this
huge after they paid off the last guy millions of
dollars to a search committee to find the thirty seven
(05:52):
best candidates in America to be the city manager of
the City of Cincinnati, and the search form one of
the background of all the candidates and loan hold I
think after Peeroval whispered in the ear of somebody and
the search committee said, we want Cheryl long a DEI
higher from North College Hill, and they bring her in.
Then within a week it surfaces that she'd filed personal bankruptcy,
(06:13):
had numerous tax liens, and then Aftip Peer of all
diverted to the search committee saying, well, why didn't you
tell us this? They couldn't find an information out and
then Seth Walsh and others are saying, now, wait a minute,
do we want someone who's filed bankruptcy with numerous tax
liens to run the city of five hundred million dollar operation?
If she's the most qualified, the mayor said, of those
(06:33):
thirty seven candidates, I want to see the qualifications of
the other thirty six.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Are they in drunk tank somewhere. I'm thinking, how in
the hell was this the most wodified? Explain that one
to me and then let me continue. And then one
of the first things she.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Does is fire the police chief, a guy named Washington,
and he came up through the ranks and he was
fired allegedly for not promoting enough minorities. And he is
a black guy. He was fired. He files the lawsuit
and now we're going to pay. We're gonna pay him
millions of dollars. So they find this guy named McKinley
from Dallas. McKinley's the new fire chief. The first thing
he does is take an extended leave of absence. He
(07:09):
leaves and then comes back a couple months later. Then
over the next several months, coding the inquirer, he took
ten thousand dollars of wrongful money and fictitious overtime. And
when he was caught, instead of giving it to the
county prosecutor, what they did was say to say to
the new fire chief, McKinley, you pay us back. He's out,
I don't have the money. They then say, we got
to garnishe your wages? And that's the fire chief now
(07:31):
let's move on to Fiji. For God's sakes.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I'm looking at this.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Let's put us put some canvas top on top of
the shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Hit halftime there.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Look what the hell's going on around this place? Can
you explain any of.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
This to the mayor long list? But then there was,
you know, quite a bit more to go.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I'm thinking, okay, And then you're trying to find out
why Fiji, who come up through the ranks, did exactly
what the mayor told her to do every time he
stood next to her and patted her on the back.
You're doing a great job. Keep doing what you're doing.
It's wonderful. Then she gets fired what she serves in
the pleasure of the city manager. You can get fired
for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason.
But the mayor doesn't want that. It looks bad, so
(08:10):
he wants to hire a big time law firm to
spend millions of dollars more to find out why I
fired her? What you haven't, guy?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That fired? Right?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Can you smell when I'm cooking?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It is? But these are all the things, and this
is the reason why we felt like it was very
important to try and get something, get some answers from
the city manager. You know, but as you saw there,
if you watch that, there is no intention what's over.
(08:43):
In fact, when we came into the first sip of
the hallway there at the bottom of the stairs when
you go into city Hall, there were the mayor's offices
to the left, and so she was apparently in there,
and I see all of her staff out in front.
I'm standing out there waiting for me because I'm like, well,
we'll just ask her. If she comes out, maybe she'll
stop and talk to us. They go inside and then
(09:06):
circumvent and try and go around the way that we weren't.
And that's when we caught up with her in the hall.
And if you watch that carefully, she puts the she
puts the folder she's holding over her face like like
I'm like, what is that about? Well, I'm looking at it,
going why is she doing that?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I'm hiding. I'm hiding to hide my folder, like.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We don't know who she is. I mean, it was
I couldn't understand it. And you know, if I thought, well,
maybe she thought the lights were bright, you know, or something,
but she put it down pretty quick and the lights
were even more bright, so I couldn't explain why it
went down like that. But then she comes through. I
had two or three questions. I knew I would have
(09:49):
a short time to just ask her quickly the top
of mind things. You know, is she being made a
stek goat that's.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes or a no?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That has nothing to do with with personnel at her.
I couldn't see it. You see, I had my sunglasses on.
I couldn't see the prescription glasses. I had to put
them on because I want to make sure I was,
you know, finding the right person. Here she is coming
down the hall.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Behind her folder.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh, walking behind and and trying to get like. She's
got some of her staff over there running interference. I
mean it looked like a screenplay, is what it looked like.
You know, you put all those guys out in front
and there trying to knock off the people and they're
answering for you. She has to go to a press conference.
I mean, it was it was absurd, and she'd never
(10:34):
come to that. It was bizarre. So then she goes
into the press conference, gives a little dog and pony
show about whatever that press conference was about. So we're waiting,
we'll say, well, well said again. I didn't want to
be disruptive in the press conference. It was her moment
with some award, so I didn't even ask the question.
I'm like, I'll wait till she comes back out. I'll
try again. Maybe she'll think, well, it's probably better for her.
(10:57):
It would have been one hundred times better. She's gone. You
know what here, Look, here's what I got to say.
We are working and doing everything we can to fight
crime in this city, and sometimes we got to make
hard decisions. And that's what we're doing here. That's all
I've got to say. Stay tuned. We got the boom.
She left, and you know what, I wouldn't have been
able to use any of that. I wouldn't have used
one second of me trying to ask her questions. It
(11:19):
would have gone away and she would have had that
as the sound bite that everybody would have used. Everybody.
But you know what they did. They didn't come out.
She went straight to the back. There's another room in
that room. Once fifteen there.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
In the.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
In the city building. They found and I even asked
God janitor there who said, no, no, there's no other
way out of there. They found a way out. There's
a trap door. A rat hole. There's something, and you
can go and circumvent everybody. And they ran out the back.
They ran out the back and we never saw them
after that. My lord, I mean this, would you do that?
(12:01):
That is a bad look for anybody.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Just come on.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know. I worked at in public relations to University
of Oklahoma, and there were some folks there that had
the same theory. The theory is if you don't say anything,
you can't say anything wrong. So just don't tell anybody anything.
And this was many, many years ago, and I was
there and I remember some of the looks I got.
(12:26):
So I know in public, sometimes in public the public forum,
people don't want to do this. But I said, listen,
we're reasonable people, we make reasonable decisions. Why don't we
just go out and tell them why we made the
decision we made.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Not everybody's going to agree with you. You're gonna you'll tell
them what you did and why you did it. I mean,
look to take somebody who does that and you can
agree with despise, love him, hate him, but Sheriff Jones guy,
he will do what he does and then he stands
there and tells you what he did. And that's what
that'sody previously agreed.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Trump's the same way. He'll tell you he's gonna he's
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Trump's gonna be kind of it's gonna demolish the White House,
he says, I'm not gonna ask permission within two days.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm just gonna do it. Yeah, you don't do it
what he did right there when you when you ask
and when you ask somebody like that about it, though
usually they double down on it if they're you know,
if they're happy with what they did, or they believe
in what they did, you know, hiding and running and
(13:38):
not answering questions and hideing behind you know, really flimsy. Well,
it's under investigation. And what investigation are you going to
circumvent by saying we're fighting crime in this city? There's none, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Made up, well, you know, Brian, Brian Hemry Channel five.
I mean, it's one of for to watch this show,
and it's happening because of the election, which is about
ten twelve days away. We're going to find out if
the city wants to take a different turn, which politically,
all my political friends tell me republican democratic. Otherwise the
city's not going to go some different direction. It is
(14:14):
simply holding the status quotes after the election. It is
absurd to think that if Charel Long indeed and the
mayor work closely with Thiji Chief Fiji for not just months,
but two or three years, then knew the ins and
the out. She did exactly what they told her to do,
and all of a sudden, if they say that she's
doing a bad job, do a one to eighty of
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the opposite direction. All you got to do is call
her and say, look, things aren't going the right way.
We have to let you go, and you get full
pension for the rest of her life. She makes like
two hundred thousand bucks a year, she'll make that for
the rest of her life. She got thirty some years
and she's in the drop program for cops. And you
don't hang her out to dry and make it look
as if she did something so wrong and so disgusting.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That we knew nothing about that.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
We got to fire her and keep keep this under
control until November the fourth and fifth, when the votes
are announced. At that point we're going to know. And
so they're hanging out to dry is to dirty her up.
The mission is the dirty up Thiji right now because
we were so incompetent. We can't manage the city. We
can't manage the cops. We screwed up the fire department.
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We screwed up the police. We can't fill the potholes,
we can't shovel the snow. Someone's going to take the fall,
and it's going to be Thiji. And they want to
hire a firm to come up with all the dirt
on her, and then they'll go to her and say,
look at all this dirt we found about you. We
we'll pay you two million dollars to go away if
you sign the NDA. They want the NDA to be signed.
That's what's behind this, That's what they want.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
They want something that whenever she walks out of that building,
she cannot say a word about what she knows.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And you know, there are a lot of people who
believe she knows a lot. And if she's able, if
they just went and fired her, she'd be able to
walk right out. And I can guarantee you I would
and had to walk her down. No, he would have
stopped and talk.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Let's talk.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
She been finer on the spot. Yeah, yeah, we'll be
glad you wait. Wait, I think I see some other
stations a half mile down the road. He'll be here
in a minute. We'll do it all, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So that's what's happening. They're going this is that's the
bottom line. They want a deal where she can't say
anything when she leaves, because you know, some people believe
she knows where all the skeletons are buried.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Absolutely absolutely, and they want to keep the lid onto
after the election. Get the law firm to give him
some dirt on her.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Call her in.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You're a good woman, You've been here a long time.
You'd exactly what we told you to do, and it failed.
We can't take blame ourselves. You got to blame you.
Here's two or three million dollars. Sign this, you'll be
rich and away you go. Well, we got to run,
Brian Hemrick. But one of the best things I saw
the last few days was you chasing down a folder
named Cheryl Long MS folder who is talking about nothing
(16:58):
except hiring the disabled, which probably ways a great idea,
but nonetheless, Uh, Brian Hemrick, thanks for coming on the
Bill Cunningham Show, and may you continue to have great
success in what you do.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Thank you, Brian.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I've got that folder filed under bizarre. Thanks again, mister Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thanks again, Brian Hemrick of the Power of five. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, Let's continue with more folder running, city hall, bankruptcy,
tax leans, unexcused absences, garnishing wages. Let's get dirt on
Thiji to put on top of that pile of crap.
News Radio seven hundred ww
All right, now, Billy Cunningham, the Great America from the
Double Wide and Naples and New Year, I'm back.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
My little week's.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Vacation was wonderful. It was a stay vacation. I monitored
five nine twelve nineteen our newsroom. I read the Inquiry
every day. I talked to Tony Bender at least three
times a day, which is half the time I talked
to Joe Dieters. So it was a wonderful week off.
But now I'm back at it. And while I monitor everything,
you have to point out to Tony Tony Pike, remember
that guy.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
He's back.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Tony Pike is in the Hall of Fame with UC.
We got the UC Bearcats tied for first place in
the Big twelve, the Big eleven, the Big fourteen. Then
we have the Ben Galley's of course on Sunday against
the Lowly Jets, and that we could have a quarterback controversy.
If Wacko Flacco keeps playing like this when Joe's ready
to come back Burrow, he may not get his old
job back. But that's another matter. Joining you and I
(00:55):
now is the Great Brian Hambrick of the Power of
Five and Brian Hamrick Welcome to the Bill cunning A Show.
My first guest after a week off from my double
wide and near Naples. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Brian,
how are you good?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Thanks for getting mister Cunningham.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, I was there monitoring events. There was a classic
scene I had from your newsroom when you're running down
the hallway of eight to one Plump Street trying to
chase down share along. She was morphing into various objects,
and you got close to her, she became a chair,
and then when you walked away, she suddenly popped up.
It came like a water cooler, and then you moved
a little bit, she became a door. In other words,
(01:31):
she avoided you like you had the plague or you
had COVID and you were chasing Charey along eight of
one Plump Street for what reason? In the hallways she
ignored you completely explained that.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
One well, you know, I mean James Round didn't have
better moves sometimes.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You know, I feel good, I feel good, or.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
Any one of them to try and get out of
the way of the questioning. I mean, Walter Payton could
have not moved more swiftly, agilely.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
It was unbelievable. You know, people think maybe, you know,
we get a kick out of this. You know, was
much easier for me if they just come out and
tell us what they're doing.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
You know, we don't choose to walk them down like this.
But the reality is we have been trying over and
over and over to talk to anybody in the city
managers and mostly the city managers.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That's what everybody wants to hear from. She is at
the center of this entire event. Good batter indifferent might
be the greatest thing that ever happened, But that's the
person that you need to talk to because everybody else
can just debate this thing. We can all talk about, well,
you know, this city councilman wants to do it this
(02:53):
where he likes it, or he doesn't like it, or
he's not sure what it's about. The mayor is not
sure what it's about. Nobody knows. She's the only one
who has the information. We got to go to the
person with the information. Now, you know, on their side,
their side of it is, it's a personnel matter, it's
an ongoing investigation. We can't tell you anything. Well, that's
(03:15):
that's just not enough. I mean, there are things. You
can tell us. I mean, you can tell us. There
is no reason why you can't give us a basic
understanding of what the investigation is about. You know, there's
no information on that. So we go down to City
Hall and I had already prepared that this is what
(03:37):
it was going to be. Like, I knew she was
coming into this. It was a with some sort of
a pressor. Now, if you don't want to see me
or any of the other TV stations, why would you
hold a press conference on a very It was like
she was getting an award for hiring folks with disabilities
(03:57):
or something. Why would you hold that press conference that day?
Put it off until next week, you know, do something
else you don't you don't put up press go who
do you think is going to show up? We're all
showing up. We all want to know the same thing.
So I go up there coming, Yeah, so I think
I show up. Yet the chief wants to know, you know,
(04:19):
apparently she's not even sure the folks her attorney said,
they have no idea why they fire or didn't fire,
but they put her on this administrative leave. They fire,
they haven't yet. Well here's the thing, there's two different Uh, Uh,
there's two different ways of looking like at this. Apparently
under the charter there's one set of rules and if
(04:40):
she if uh, if they have her under the charter,
there's one set of rules. And if she is a
contract employees, there's a second set of rules. Under the contract,
they can just fire her. So if they're looking at
like she's under the contract, then they need to just
fire her.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Right, she serves for the pleasure of the city manager
and if you're not giving me pleasure. And until she
was fired, ill used the term fire discharge. She was
the greatest thing since sliced bread. I've seen all the news.
We're all on the same page. Thinks she's doing a
great job. July twenty six, she kind of went after
the media thing. You shouldn't be publicizing what happened to
Holly in July twenty six. She's doing a great job.
(05:21):
But let's go down history's hallway just a little bit.
Let's go back to Cheryl Long, who was the assistant
city manager at North College Hill, the home.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Of the Trojans.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Assistant city manager making little or no money, and at
that point and North College Hill was in financial and
physical emergency. There were gunshots fired to the football field
a couple times. North College Jaill shall always say, is
not well run. And so the city gets together this
huge after they paid off the last guy millions of
dollars to a search committee to find the thirty seven
(05:52):
best candidates in America to be the city manager of
the City of Cincinnati, and the search form one of
the background of all the candidates and loan hold I
think after Peeroval whispered in the ear of somebody and
the search committee said, we want Cheryl long a DEI
higher from North College Hill, and they bring her in.
Then within a week it surfaces that she'd filed personal bankruptcy,
(06:13):
had numerous tax liens, and then Aftip Peer of all
diverted to the search committee saying, well, why didn't you
tell us this? They couldn't find an information out and
then Seth Walsh and others are saying, now, wait a minute,
do we want someone who's filed bankruptcy with numerous tax
liens to run the city of five hundred million dollar operation?
If she's the most qualified, the mayor said, of those
(06:33):
thirty seven candidates, I want to see the qualifications of
the other thirty six.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
Are they in drunk tank somewhere. I'm thinking, how in
the hell was this the most wodified? Explain that one
to me and then let me continue. And then one
of the first things she.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Does is fire the police chief, a guy named Washington,
and he came up through the ranks and he was
fired allegedly for not promoting enough minorities. And he is
a black guy. He was fired. He files the lawsuit
and now we're going to pay. We're gonna pay him
millions of dollars. So they find this guy named McKinley
from Dallas. McKinley's the new fire chief. The first thing
he does is take an extended leave of absence. He
(07:09):
leaves and then comes back a couple months later. Then
over the next several months, coding the inquirer, he took
ten thousand dollars of wrongful money and fictitious overtime. And
when he was caught, instead of giving it to the
county prosecutor, what they did was say to say to
the new fire chief, McKinley, you pay us back. He's out,
I don't have the money. They then say, we got
to garnishe your wages? And that's the fire chief now
(07:31):
let's move on to Fiji. For God's sakes.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I'm looking at this.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Let's put us put some canvas top on top of
the shirt.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Hit halftime there.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Look what the hell's going on around this place? Can
you explain any of.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
This to the mayor long list? But then there was,
you know, quite a bit more to go.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I'm thinking, okay, And then you're trying to find out
why Fiji, who come up through the ranks, did exactly
what the mayor told her to do every time he
stood next to her and patted her on the back.
You're doing a great job. Keep doing what you're doing.
It's wonderful. Then she gets fired what she serves in
the pleasure of the city manager. You can get fired
for a good reason, a bad reason, or no reason.
But the mayor doesn't want that. It looks bad, so
(08:10):
he wants to hire a big time law firm to
spend millions of dollars more to find out why I
fired her? What you haven't, guy?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
That fired? Right?
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Can you smell when I'm cooking?
Speaker 2 (08:22):
It is? But these are all the things, and this
is the reason why we felt like it was very
important to try and get something, get some answers from
the city manager. You know, but as you saw there,
if you watch that, there is no intention what's over.
(08:43):
In fact, when we came into the first sip of
the hallway there at the bottom of the stairs when
you go into city Hall, there were the mayor's offices
to the left, and so she was apparently in there,
and I see all of her staff out in front.
I'm standing out there waiting for me because I'm like, well,
we'll just ask her. If she comes out, maybe she'll
stop and talk to us. They go inside and then
(09:06):
circumvent and try and go around the way that we weren't.
And that's when we caught up with her in the hall.
And if you watch that carefully, she puts the she
puts the folder she's holding over her face like like
I'm like, what is that about? Well, I'm looking at it,
going why is she doing that?
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I'm hiding. I'm hiding to hide my folder, like.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We don't know who she is. I mean, it was
I couldn't understand it. And you know, if I thought, well,
maybe she thought the lights were bright, you know, or something,
but she put it down pretty quick and the lights
were even more bright, so I couldn't explain why it
went down like that. But then she comes through. I
had two or three questions. I knew I would have
(09:49):
a short time to just ask her quickly the top
of mind things. You know, is she being made a
stek goat that's.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes or a no?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
That has nothing to do with with personnel at her.
I couldn't see it. You see, I had my sunglasses on.
I couldn't see the prescription glasses. I had to put
them on because I want to make sure I was,
you know, finding the right person. Here she is coming
down the hall.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Behind her folder.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Oh, walking behind and and trying to get like. She's
got some of her staff over there running interference. I
mean it looked like a screenplay, is what it looked like.
You know, you put all those guys out in front
and there trying to knock off the people and they're
answering for you. She has to go to a press conference.
I mean, it was it was absurd, and she'd never
(10:34):
come to that. It was bizarre. So then she goes
into the press conference, gives a little dog and pony
show about whatever that press conference was about. So we're waiting,
we'll say, well, well said again. I didn't want to
be disruptive in the press conference. It was her moment
with some award, so I didn't even ask the question.
I'm like, I'll wait till she comes back out. I'll
try again. Maybe she'll think, well, it's probably better for her.
(10:57):
It would have been one hundred times better. She's gone. You
know what here, Look, here's what I got to say.
We are working and doing everything we can to fight
crime in this city, and sometimes we got to make
hard decisions. And that's what we're doing here. That's all
I've got to say. Stay tuned. We got the boom.
She left, and you know what, I wouldn't have been
able to use any of that. I wouldn't have used
one second of me trying to ask her questions. It
(11:19):
would have gone away and she would have had that
as the sound bite that everybody would have used. Everybody.
But you know what they did. They didn't come out.
She went straight to the back. There's another room in
that room. Once fifteen there.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
In the.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
In the city building. They found and I even asked
God janitor there who said, no, no, there's no other
way out of there. They found a way out. There's
a trap door. A rat hole. There's something, and you
can go and circumvent everybody. And they ran out the back.
They ran out the back and we never saw them
after that. My lord, I mean this, would you do that?
(12:01):
That is a bad look for anybody.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Just come on.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
You know. I worked at in public relations to University
of Oklahoma, and there were some folks there that had
the same theory. The theory is if you don't say anything,
you can't say anything wrong. So just don't tell anybody anything.
And this was many, many years ago, and I was
there and I remember some of the looks I got.
(12:26):
So I know in public, sometimes in public the public forum,
people don't want to do this. But I said, listen,
we're reasonable people, we make reasonable decisions. Why don't we
just go out and tell them why we made the
decision we made.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
Not everybody's going to agree with you. You're gonna you'll tell
them what you did and why you did it. I mean,
look to take somebody who does that and you can
agree with despise, love him, hate him, but Sheriff Jones guy,
he will do what he does and then he stands
there and tells you what he did. And that's what
that'sody previously agreed.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Trump's the same way. He'll tell you he's gonna he's
gonna be.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Trump's gonna be kind of it's gonna demolish the White House,
he says, I'm not gonna ask permission within two days.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm just gonna do it. Yeah, you don't do it
what he did right there when you when you ask
and when you ask somebody like that about it, though
usually they double down on it if they're you know,
if they're happy with what they did, or they believe
in what they did, you know, hiding and running and
(13:38):
not answering questions and hideing behind you know, really flimsy. Well,
it's under investigation. And what investigation are you going to
circumvent by saying we're fighting crime in this city? There's none, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Made up, well, you know, Brian, Brian Hemry Channel five.
I mean, it's one of for to watch this show,
and it's happening because of the election, which is about
ten twelve days away. We're going to find out if
the city wants to take a different turn, which politically,
all my political friends tell me republican democratic. Otherwise the
city's not going to go some different direction. It is
(14:14):
simply holding the status quotes after the election. It is
absurd to think that if Charel Long indeed and the
mayor work closely with Thiji Chief Fiji for not just months,
but two or three years, then knew the ins and
the out. She did exactly what they told her to do,
and all of a sudden, if they say that she's
doing a bad job, do a one to eighty of
(14:35):
the opposite direction. All you got to do is call
her and say, look, things aren't going the right way.
We have to let you go, and you get full
pension for the rest of her life. She makes like
two hundred thousand bucks a year, she'll make that for
the rest of her life. She got thirty some years
and she's in the drop program for cops. And you
don't hang her out to dry and make it look
as if she did something so wrong and so disgusting.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
That we knew nothing about that.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
We got to fire her and keep keep this under
control until November the fourth and fifth, when the votes
are announced. At that point we're going to know. And
so they're hanging out to dry is to dirty her up.
The mission is the dirty up Thiji right now because
we were so incompetent. We can't manage the city. We
can't manage the cops. We screwed up the fire department.
(15:18):
We screwed up the police. We can't fill the potholes,
we can't shovel the snow. Someone's going to take the fall,
and it's going to be Thiji. And they want to
hire a firm to come up with all the dirt
on her, and then they'll go to her and say,
look at all this dirt we found about you. We
we'll pay you two million dollars to go away if
you sign the NDA. They want the NDA to be signed.
That's what's behind this, That's what they want.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
They want something that whenever she walks out of that building,
she cannot say a word about what she knows.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And you know, there are a lot of people who
believe she knows a lot. And if she's able, if
they just went and fired her, she'd be able to
walk right out. And I can guarantee you I would
and had to walk her down. No, he would have
stopped and talk.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Let's talk.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
She been finer on the spot. Yeah, yeah, we'll be
glad you wait. Wait, I think I see some other
stations a half mile down the road. He'll be here
in a minute. We'll do it all, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
So that's what's happening. They're going this is that's the
bottom line. They want a deal where she can't say
anything when she leaves, because you know, some people believe
she knows where all the skeletons are buried.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Absolutely absolutely, and they want to keep the lid onto
after the election. Get the law firm to give him
some dirt on her.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Call her in.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
You're a good woman, You've been here a long time.
You'd exactly what we told you to do, and it failed.
We can't take blame ourselves. You got to blame you.
Here's two or three million dollars. Sign this, you'll be
rich and away you go. Well, we got to run,
Brian Hemrick. But one of the best things I saw
the last few days was you chasing down a folder
named Cheryl Long MS folder who is talking about nothing
(16:58):
except hiring the disabled, which probably ways a great idea,
but nonetheless, Uh, Brian Hemrick, thanks for coming on the
Bill Cunningham Show, and may you continue to have great
success in what you do.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Thank you, Brian.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I've got that folder filed under bizarre. Thanks again, mister Cunningham.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Thanks again, Brian Hemrick of the Power of five. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Well, Let's continue with more folder running, city hall, bankruptcy,
tax leans, unexcused absences, garnishing wages. Let's get dirt on
Thiji to put on top of that pile of crap.
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