5-6-25 Bill Cunningham Show

Willie talks with Ohio Secretary of State Frank LaRose about today's special election. Also the attorney representing the Hinton family Michael Wright, breaks down some issues with the police account of the shooting on Thursday. Finally Chief Scott Snow tells how you can help out the family of Deputy Henderson who was killed on Friday.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Bill cunning into Grant America. Welcome to someone Randy Afternoon
in the tri States. Coming up later as Michael Wright scheduling.
Michael Wright, he's the attorney for the estate Shall always
saved the eighteen year old who was killed at the
hands of Cincinnati police because of his behavior. That's the
estate of Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old plus. Later on
we're going to talk about the arrangement, further arraynment and

(00:27):
no bond hearing set this morning and the father's charges,
that being Rodney Hinton. But until then you may not
know it or not. This is an election day, and
I'm thinking, are you kidding me? It's an election and
we have the man in charge of elections in the
state of OHI Frank LaRose, Secretary of State. And Frank,
welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Frank, how
are you?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Ben Willie? And it is election day.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
The pouls have been opened for hours and they're ready
to go. Over three thousand voting locations open until seven
thirty tonight. Only two percent of Ale Highlands have already
voted through the early vote process. That it means ninety
eight percent of you need to still get out and
make your voice heard.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yep, that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Two two percent. So there's a ways to go to
get to fifty percent, which is impossible. Tony Bender wants
to know what about state issue too, because I know
everything I think.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
I like to communicate that to my listeners. Actually, I
know nothing about state issue too. So can you tell
me to vote yay or naym state issue too? Or
can you not give me a yes or no? Just
tell me what it is? Which is it?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
I'd be happy to tell you how I voted.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
My wife and I went and voted early at the
Franklin County Board of Elections on Saturday, and we both
voted yes on issue too. If you want to do
your own homework, vote Ohio dot gov is our website.
You'll see the full language of the amendment. If you
want to look at it, you'll see an argument, a
very concise argument for it, and a very concise argument
against it. But here's the simple way to understand this.

(01:50):
This is a decades old infrastructure program in Ohio that
borrows money to pay for roads and bridges and water
and sewer. I would call the good kind of government spending.
We all know about the nonsense government spending. This is
the stuff that Trump and Musk have been rooting out
through DOGE and there are plenty of things that at
least the federal level that they waste money on. Infrastructure, though,

(02:13):
is a smart investment when you're building roads and building
bridges and water and sewer. This is the stuff that
our economy rides on. That's why a lot of the
businesss like the Chamber of Commerce and others have been
strong supporters of a yes.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Vote on issue too.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
It allows the state legislature to borrow five or sorry
two point five billion dollars over the next few decades
to invest that money at the local level. It has
worked well for Ohio over the last few decades, and
I think it's a smart thing. But again, do your
own homework, vot dot and go for all the information.
By the way, it has nothing to do with football
stadiums anywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
There's been some confusion about this. As you know, I'm
a life long Browns fan.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
I understand you guys have a football team down there
at Cincinnati as well that you all love and you should.
But this has nothing to do with the debate that's
currently happening in the state legislature they are debating whether
they will do a bond program to borrow money for
a football stadium. This has nothing to do with that issue, too,
is a completely separate thing.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
So if this is intertwined with the Cleveland Browns not
real popular in Cincinnati, or the Bengals not real popular
in Cleveland, or with Ohio State, they get all the
money anyway, because all you guys in Columbus take care
of Ohio State. This has nothing to do with building stadiums.
This is about continuing roads and bridges things like that. Correct,

(03:33):
nothing to do.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
If you don't like potholes, if you want clean water
and good sewer systems that work when you flush the toilet,
then a vote yes on ISSUQ would be my recommendation. Again,
it invests money in infrastructure only, and it does it
at the local level. And that's what's important to point out.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
You brought it up about the dose, etc. We have
a candidate for governor who I think is going to
be endorsed to stay wide on Friday by the state
Republican Party, which is quite unusual. Normally, you Republicans let
primaries determine by the voters who to vote for, and
normally it's hands off. You've got two or three qualified
people running for governor. David Yost have had him on repeatedly, Mammy,

(04:14):
even more than I've had you on. Is a very
popular attorney general, wins every time he runs. He's announced
for governor. David Yosho would be a good governor. We
have another candidate running, Vivike Ramaswami that everyone's endorsing, beginning
with Donald Trump. I know you're endorsed him. Got in early.
And why is the Republican Party, which is supposedly organized

(04:35):
to let the voters decide in primaries who to vote for,
gonna tip the scales in favor of Aveke Ramaswami against
David Yost, who's been there for the past thirty years
in one office or another. Can you answer that question.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, so you're right to mention David is a good man.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I had a good public servant.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
But my strong choice is for Viveke Ramaswami.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I was the first to endorse.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
Him because I believe that Vivek will be a transformational.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Governor, not just a good governor, not a company.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
Governor, a transformational governor for Ohio. That's why I'm supporting him.
My endorsement isn't the one that matters the most. That
one comes from President Trump, who early on endorsed Leveik.
He referred to Vevek as something special and talked about
him as a generational leader. Now, listen, it's still up
to the voters. That always will be for them to
decide who they want their party's nominee to be. They

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will make that decision next spring when the state holds
it primary. I support the party endorsing Vivek, And there's
a simple, really two reasons why the party has a
responsibility to give the seal of approval, to give a
nod to who they think is the best person. Most
voters are busy people. They have families to raise, the

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businesses to run, and they're looking for some indication from
the state party who they believe would be our best candidate.
And for the state party to endorse is not an
unusual thing. In fact, they've endorsed in primaries throughout their history.
It did last year they endorsed President Trump. Ohio is
the first state in the country to endorse President Trump,
and so it is a normal and expected thing for

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the party to do that.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
But again, I'm.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Supporting him because I think he's the guy that can
really transform Ohio. He's got great energy, great vision. Well,
let me describe it to you like this. In the military,
we have leaders that we have to follow because they've
got more rank than us, and everybody just kind of
grits their teeth and does what the commander says because
he's got more rank on his sleeve than you do.
Big is that rare kind of leader that you follow

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because you want to. He's got a clear vision, he
articulates it well, he's got the energy to carry that
vision out, and he also has the courage the courage
to get tough things done, like eliminating the state income text,
which is one of the major proposals he's been talking about,
improving public education in Ohio, improving our energy grid in Ohio,
things that really are necessary for Ohio to be a

(06:50):
state of excellence. I think with ak Ramaswami is the
man to deliver on that, and I think that the
Republican Party should endorse him when they meet on Friday.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Frank LeRose, I'll play devil's advocate. He wants to get
rid of the state income tax, which is like two
or three percent. There's another group that wants to get
rid of the state property tax. We have no property taxes,
then we have no income taxes. One might ask, how
does the state raise about sixty billion dollars a year
If there's no income tax and no property tax, where
does the money come from. There's a tree behind city

(07:19):
Hall and then one plumb street that Charlie Luken used
to say, I go back there and shake the money
tree and the money just falls out.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
So if we have no income tax and no property tax,
where how does the money come from?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
All these things are popular in the vacuum.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Sure, there is a group that wants to eliminate the
property tax. I think that may be a little bit
of a of a bad plan. I think what we
should do is cap the property tax. I think property
taxes are entirely too high. One of the reasons I'm
running for state auditor, by the way, is that I
think that we need to scrutinize the way local government
spends money so that they're not constantly coming to the

(07:55):
ballot for another tax increase over and over again. That's
property tax, income tax. Listen, we compete with forty nine
other states, and many states throughout this country have eliminated
their income tax, states like Texas, states like Florida State,
Flake Tennessee that in many cases never had one. If
Ohio is going to compete in the modern economy to

(08:15):
attract talent to our state and to attract businesses to
our state, I think it's time that we continue phasing
out and in short order eliminate the state income tax.
And by the way, other states find ways to raise
the revenue they need through sales taxes and that kind
of thing, that we can fund the essential services of
state government, which of course we want to do. We

(08:36):
want to have police officers and good public schools and
all those kind of things that state government needs to buy.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
But the income tax is a bad way of.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
Doing it, and I think it's time that Ohio joins
a lot of other states and gets rid of that.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
That's one of the things that Pavec is running on, and.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Frank Laro's on property taxes. I don't think it should
be eliminated. But if someone's a senior citizen on a
fixed income, if the house is worth less than no, no, no,
pick a number three hundred thousand, dollars and they have
an income of fifty thousand dollars sixty thousand dollars a year.
You don't pay state income tax on Social Security, but
you pay federal tax. Maybe that's going to change. Ken.

(09:13):
I'm sensitive to older Americans that don't have a lot
of assets, that have to sell their house biers they
can't afford. What can you do to keep property taxes?
But put a cap. If you're a senior citizen on
a fixed income, without a half million dollars in assets,
without a job that's paying you five hundred thousand dollars
a year, how do you fashion it to keep the
old folks in the community because they pay taxes their

(09:34):
whole life. How do you do that?

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, you're absolutely right, especially for those seniors that paid
off their homes or for people like me that are
still paying a mortgage. When you look at your interest
payment and your principal payment, and it's starting to look
like your property taxes are just as much as your interest.
In principle, it's un American. And there are two things
that lead to this problem. One is again, wasteful spending

(09:58):
at the local level needs to be screwed. Denies that's
something that the state auditor can do. And the other
thing is that they need to have a cap on
property tax. Rather a cap on property tax would help
prevent these big increases that we've seen in recent years.
That's something that I think our next governor of ak Bromswami,
working with our state legislature.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Will get done. And that's why I'm a big support that.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
For seniors, the state of Ohio has a thing currently
called the Homestead Exempt provide a very small measure of
relief to seniors, but it's not nearly enough, and I
think we need to boost that by now.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Lastly, you bring up police officers this community. I know
you're a high flute and politician there in Columbus, but
you're also a military man. And we had a terrible
incident in which a father, thirty eight year old Rodney Hinton,
used his car as a weapon to kill Deputy Sheriff
Larry Henderson last week. And we have a situation here

(10:56):
where the eighteen year old his son was hoisting was
jack and carrs all over northern Kentucky, driving them into
Ohio to use for various purposes, including committing crimes using
a Kia or a Hyundai. It's not their vehicle, and
the police recalled. They come to the scene. The eighteen
year old boy runs. He's got in his possession a
nine millimeter with an extended mag The officers say the

(11:20):
gun was pointed at them had the ability to shoot
about thirty two projectiles in about six seconds. The officer
took quick notice of that fact and shot and killed
Ryan Hinton, who's eighteen years old. I have his attorney,
the attorney for the estate, coming up in about an hour.
His name is Michael Wright. And at this point, there

(11:40):
was a hearing hell this morning in municipal court in
which my friend judged tyrone Yates. And I mean my friend,
he's a good guy. We used to practice law together.
Set no bond in the case of the father who
murdered in cold blood a police officer. You travel the state,
you go to Cleveland. Unfortunately in Toledo and Columbus and Cincinnati.

(12:01):
Have you noticed a general lack of respect for law
enforcement in every major city, not just in Ohio, but
around the country.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
I think there are a small minority of Ohioans that
don't respect law enforcement. I think the best mcburry of
us do I was with a group of sheriff's deputies
last night in Clinton County and they all have the
black bands on their badge because they were in mourning
for their brother, Deputy Henderson. And so we need to
first and foremost keep his family and his brother deputies,

(12:29):
brother and sister deputies in our prayers. Every day we
ask good men and women to put on a badge
and a gun and to go out there and to
risk their lives to protect our safety. Anyone who would
dare try to or be successful in taking the life
of one of our dear public servants, one of these
great law enforcement officers deserves to have the full force

(12:50):
of the law brought down them. I think that somebody
like that you need to make an example of them
so that people see that this is not something that
we as a society would ever hollering. These are our
finest or finest Ohioans that serve us in law enforcement.
And guess what, ninety nine point nine percent of the time,
these are men and women that follow their training and
do the right thing. And on those rare occasions when

(13:12):
somebody doesn't do the right thing, there will be consequences
for it. They will have to pay the price if
they don't follow their training and they don't do the
right thing. But someone taking the law into their own
hands is completely unacceptable. And this perpetrator, if the facts
prove this out, it's the full penalty that's available.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
To him, and it's supposedly it's a death penalty. But
my friend and yours, Mike Dwine, doesn't. He kind of
mouths the idea that I'm in favor of the death penalty,
but in reality he isn't because he will not sign
a death warrant. Do you have some indication if a
fake Ramaswami is the governor that he would sign death
warrants for those who purposely murder police officers.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
I'd have to let him speak for himself on that issue.
As much time as we've spent out on the campaign trail,
I've not heard him articulate his his stance on that,
but I'm sure he has a well thought out one.
I'll say this that I'm generally one that believes that
the death penalty should be used very sparingly.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
In many cases, it just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
I think the case is somebody that that in wanton
cold blood kills, a law enforcement officer. That's the one
of the times that that the death penalty definitely should
be applied doesn't apply.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
And if Hamilton County doesn't prosecute him with a spec
death penalty, spec, we don't have a death penalty. I
felt the same thing in Claremont County when that young
father purposely murdered as three boys in cold blood, three children,
and they decided Clairemont County not to have a spec
death penalty and gave life imprisonment without possibility of pearl.
Claremont County doesn't have a death penalty. And if this

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is not prosecuted as a death penalty case, we don't
have a death penalty in Hamilton County. And if it's
applied that haphazardly, we shouldn't have the death penalty. If
people like this don't get it, we might as well
not have one. But once again, Frank Leroe, Secretary State,
thanks for coming on and you say vote yes an
issue too. And if you need more explanation, check out
the website vot odo Ohio dot gov. It explains what
it is. It has nothing to do with stadiums, had

(15:04):
nothing to do with that. It's about rows and bridges,
and sewer systems, things like that. And once again, Frank LeRose,
you're a soldier and secretary of state and you're going
to become what the auditor in about a year and
a half. Is that the deal?

Speaker 2 (15:16):
God willing?

Speaker 3 (15:17):
I'm running for auditor of state. And listen a local
elections matter.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Get out and vote. The polls are up until seven
thirty tonight. Will even give you a free sticker when
you come to vote.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
I promise plus a two percent turnout so far, there's
a little ways to go. Will there be a ten
percent turnout? Is that possible?

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Gosh?

Speaker 2 (15:34):
I hope, so I'm not holding my breath.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
One hundred and seventy two thousand, six hundred and fifty two.
One hundred and seventy two thousand, six hundred and fifty
two Ohioans have voted already through the early vote period.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
That means two percent.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
That means about ninety eight percent of us still need
to get off our bucks, get out there and vote
and do our ourseic duty.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Now this is about ten thousand different ways to vote.
That sounds to me like voter suppression, but we'll see
what happens. Frank, thank you very much for coming on
the Bill Cunningham Show, especially your comments on law enforcement.
Thank you very much. Thanks, Let's continue with more. And
of course Franklin Rose himself as a soldier, so he's
in the reserves, has served active duty, etc. And so

(16:12):
I love having individuals on like Franklin Rose. Let's continue
with more. My comments next on not Guilty by Reason
of Insanity and also the comments of Clyde Bennett. This
morning during the arrangement the second arrangment of the murderer
of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson, Bill Cunningham on seven hundred
WLW Billy Cunningham WI was set up the rest of

(16:36):
today's Big show after one o'clock today, arrange for Michael Wright,
the attorney that had the news conference yesterday with the
family of Ryan Hinton, to be here with us and
talk about his civil claims against the people of Cincinnati
and r Hamlety County relative to the killing of Ryan
Hinton at the hands of the police officer whose name
should be released sometime in the next few days. He

(16:58):
has nothing, in my view to be ashamed about whatsoever.
It's sad what happened, what had to occur because of
the behavior of the eighteen year old Ryan Hinton. But
Michael Wright is looking at it from a civil perspective.
He's with the Johnny Cochrane, the law firm, and he
also represented that Crawford young man that was shot in
a walmart in Beaver Creek, and that case has been

(17:19):
going on for about ten years. And these are difficult
cases because I would think that even in today's world,
the jury has great sympathy for a police officer and
the circumstances in which they find themselves making split second
life and debt decisions. And this case may hinge upon
a part of the videotape that may not exist, which

(17:40):
is the exact half a second before the shots were
fired by the police officer, where was the nine millimeter
weapon of Ryan Hinton? Pointed? I would think that Michael
Wright's going to focus on the fact that that Hinton
was running away and was not, shall we say, his
view presenting a risk of imminent danger to the police officer.

(18:04):
Now I have a different perspective on that I'm going
to share with you. But nonetheless, I want to thank
Michael Wright for green to come on at one oh
seven today, who conducted the news conference yesterday with the
Hinton family and also after two o'clock day we have
a representative of the Shield coming on and I know
Chief Wallace and Amberley Village is one of the ones

(18:27):
that have the organization together that allows people like you
to make donations to a fund which is used to
assist the families of dead, injured, the first responders, and
other needs than one. So I'm going to talk with
that gentleman after two o'clock today to discuss how you
can get involved if that is your desire, because at

(18:47):
this point there was a scrubbing of a go fundme
page for Ryan Hinton and for I guess indirectly Rodney Hinton,
the father and the son who's dead, to let people
will contribute to that. You might recall Luigi Mangioni who
was charged and actually killed on video CEO of United Health.

(19:10):
They've raised about two million dollars in that go fund
me page is still open in the Empire State. Maybe Cincinnati,
Ohio is different, but that's been scrubbed and taken down.
But after two o'clock today there will be a means
and a method for you to show your appreciation to
the family of Larry Henderson, who gave his life for
you and I now let's get into several issues. Clyde

(19:31):
Bennett is the attorney for Rodney Hinton. He was in
Room May this morning and he raised the issue of
nngri not guilty of a reason of insanity, and also
the issue that whether or not Rodney Hinton thirty eight
year old father could counsel with him on his own. Behalf.
There's two aspects of insanity. One as are you presently ability?

(19:53):
Do you have the ability presently to understand the nature
of the charges against you? Can you counsel with your
lawyer on your defense? Behalf? So number one, you have
to get over that hurle first before you get to
NNGRI I not guilty reason of insanity, You have to
first have some independent evaluation in with Clyde Bennett. And
I have a call out to him to come on

(20:15):
tomorrow to talk about does Rodney Hinton thirty eight years
old suffer from a disease, a mental disease or defect
that prohibits him from counseling with Clyde Bennett. In other words,
he's he currently mentally ill? And if he's presently mentally ill,
and this is after extensive psychiatric evaluations by state and

(20:36):
by defense experts on the subject matter. Then that the
case itself is put off to the side for months
or years or forever. That is, if you have a
defendant that cannot counsel with you, doesn't understand the nature
of the charges against him, you're not brought to trial
until you're restored to sanity. There seems to be an

(20:58):
implication for Clyde Bennett he may go down that route first.
Then the second issue is whether or not, under the
so called McNaughton standard, whether he's gonna follow not guilty
by reason of insanity n gri I and try to
claim do it. In this case, it would be a jury,
a jury to decide whether or not he should receive

(21:19):
a not guilty or reason of insanity. And if the
jury finds him not guilty by reason of insanity, unlike
many other states, Ohio means that means he's not guilty
and he's sent to a mental hospital until he's restored
to sanity. And if he is restored to sanity, he's
not guilty of the offense of shall we say, killing

(21:41):
Officer Larry Henderson. That means he is set free. Once
he's restored to sanity. Now that's a long process. It
will take many years for that to occur, you know,
you know, like a light switch on and off of
mental illness. So number one, Clyde Bennett seems to be saying,
I can't counsel with Rodney Hinton, he doesn't understand what's

(22:02):
going on. And so over the next few weeks and months,
the state and the defense will have psychiatric examinations of
Rodney Hint Hinton to determine if presently in May and
June and July, does he have the ability to counsel
with his attorney on his own behalf and very rarely

(22:24):
do you have that case. I've handled maybe seven or
eight gris and I haven't had one yet succeed because
you know, a lot of us are half crazy. But
that's not the standard. So if he's able to speak
thing of some English language, if he can read the indictment,
if he understands who aggravated murder with the charge is,
if he can meet with Clyde Bennett and they can

(22:45):
exchange questions and answers, answers and questions back and forth,
that procedure may take a few months to determine. Okay,
Rodney Hinton understands he charges with the aggravated murder, I
would think with his death penalty speck. He understands the
nature the charge against him, understands the possible penalties, and
you can counsel with Clyde Bennett. Okay, that's the first hurdle.

(23:08):
Get over that one. Now we're on the big one.
N g RI I not guilty by reason of insanity,
And we have a relatively new law Governor Mike DeWine
signed which bans the imposition of the death penalty on
defendants who were seriously mentally ill at the time the
offense was committed. Now, that's different than being found not guilty.

(23:31):
So many times one might have how we say, a
diminished capacity not sufficient to rise to the not guilty
of a reason of insanity. But instead of having a
serious mental illness as defined by statute, the defendant must
be diagnosed with either schizophrenia, schizophrenia with effective components, bipolar disorder,

(23:51):
or delusional disorder. Now it doesn't arise to the level
of being found not guilty, but if you suffer from
serious mental defects, you can't be execute it. So that's
another thing, that's number three down the road. So if
I'm conducting a law school class, number one is he
presently mentally ill, doesn't understand the nature of the charges

(24:12):
against him, can't discuss matters of Clyde Bennett. I would
think that's a that's a high standard. And so the
courts rarely find that someone is so mentally ill presently
they can't stand trial. And if that's the case, if
they're found they can't stand trial, there could be months
or years, or the case may never come to trial.
Get over that hurdle. Let's say we get over that

(24:34):
hurdle the next several months, and Rodney Hinton is going
to be charged with a death penalty speck in the
next week or two. And then we're on to the
second hurdle, which is MGRI. What does it mean if
you're not guilty of or reasonabent standing. Essentially, if you
have a form of a mental illness that substantially affects
your actions and capacity to commit a crime, you could

(24:56):
be excused of committing that crime. They're subject to confine
in a mental hospital rather than just letting them off
the hook. And after that matter is resolved, like John
Hinckley was eventually let go from a mental hospital as
a result of the so called mental disease or defect.
Can one understand the wrongfulness of their actions, can form
it with it dictates of the law, because yourself from

(25:17):
a severe mental disease would effect Certain psychiatrists on both
sides of the defense are going to talk about this
for a long time. I'd be shocked if this case
went to trial before the end of the year. So
each side on the second aspect of NGRI I, which
is the McNaughton standard McNaughton rule, there might be three

(25:38):
psychiatrists for the state, three psychiatrists for the defense. It's
a batter a battle between the two of them. And
that determination, the first one is made by the judge
Canny counsel on his behalf. The second one n GRI
is made by a jury. And whether a person in
this case, Rodney Hinton Jr. Has some mental disease or

(25:59):
defense that is so severe that he cannot understand the
nature of the charges against him, cannot conform his behavior
to the law, and that he didn't understand between the
difference between right and wrong. You might have an insanity defense,
which is very rarely successful, very rare. And so this
morning when Clyde Bennett talked about did you know his

(26:20):
previous mental standing, I would anticipate that Clyde Bennett was
tipping his hand a bit to indicate that Rodney Hinton,
who murdered Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson, has a previous mental illness.
Is that paranoid schizophrenia? Is it delusional? Whatever it is,
has he been treated for it in the past, Yes?

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (26:41):
If he's not been treated for it in the past.
And this arose having watched the videotape, and we're going
to talk to Michael Wright, the civil attorney in about
fifteen minutes on that issue and his behavior before, during,
and after the incident where he obviously killed Henderson is Germaine.
One of the standards of NGRI is can you conform

(27:04):
your behavior to the law? Do you know the difference
between right and wrong? So when he drove from the
crime lab where he saw the videotape and the presence
of Michael Wright and others, and we're going to explore
that with the attorney in about fifteen minutes. I would
imagine if someone would take the trek from the blue

(27:25):
Ash area down to Clifton. There were numerous stop signs
in which he had to understand, take an information and stop.
There were numerous traffic lights along the way that he
had to look at it conform the idea that it's red, yellow,
or green. I got to conform my behavior to the
law to operate the motor vehicle. There's certain mental and

(27:47):
physical processes that one must go through. So, having tried
many of these cases, you try to demonstrate that your client,
your defendant, did not know the difference between right and wrong,
suffering from a mental disease or defect. However, the prosecution
would point out, now, wait a minute. You got in
the car, your mind was working. You knew where the

(28:09):
keys were in your pocket. You operated the vehicle, You
put it in drive from P to D, you drove it.
You more or less confirmed with speech standards. Between blue
Ash and Clifton, you stopped along the route. Did he
stop somewhere to get some coffee? Did he go into
a wah wah, I get a ho ho? What did
you do? And he put his foot on the brake

(28:30):
appropriate ways, which indicated his mind, his mind was working.
He came to a red light, and he put his
foot on the brake, and then when it turned green,
he put his foot on the pedal to go forward.
Those mental processes that demonstrates before he murdered Larry Henderson,
he kind of knew what he was doing. And then
there's spent evidence this morning in which he kind of

(28:51):
stopped in a way, in other words, he put his
foot on the brake from the gas to the brake,
his mind was working. He then took his foot off
the brake and put it on the gas, went across
lines of travel and traffic and targeted an individual, which
took the mind had to be working in order to
do that, and so it is very rare to have

(29:12):
a successful NNGRII, especially in a cop killing case, when
in his sick mind there was a reason to do this,
If there was a reason to act in such a way,
that demonstrates in his sick mind that his mind was
working and he wasn't suffering from some mental disease or defect,
and he could conform his behavior to the dictates of

(29:33):
the law, and therefore it defeats the NNGRII. In addition
to that, in a jury case, you're going to have extremely,
extremely understandable. Henderson family in complete tears and upset about
the loss of their loved one. This was such only
a good cop. He was a marine. He was a
foster parent about to adopt two of his foster kids,

(29:57):
who by the way, were African American, five other children.
He had numerous grandchildren. He volunteered time charitably all over
the place, including the UC and the Mercy Hospital in
Anderson Township. This guy was a CoP's cup. This guy
was wonderful and so this particular victim is extremely sympathetic.

(30:18):
I would think to a jury, so based upon what's
happening here. I also got a text from her friend
of mine that did he make any phone calls? At
this point, I would assume he had a cell phone.
I don't know. Maybe I'll ask Michael right that he
didn't represent the Rodney Hinton criminal case. He represents Ryan

(30:41):
Hinton in the estate. But did he make phone calls?
So his mind was working constantly from the time he
saw the videotape. From that moment his mind was working.
That moved his body out of the room, came back
into the room, then left the room again. He didn't
walk in the walls or fall down steps, his mind

(31:03):
was working, got into a vehicle, had enough mental acuity
to operate the vehicle in a way that was ten
to fifteen miles away, hunting to kill a cop. That
was the reason he did it. That defeats come completely.
Ngri got a reason to do it in his sick mind.
That proves his mind was operational. If someone shoots at

(31:25):
a person believing in their Coca Cola machine and they're
under treatment for mental psychiatric disorders, and you can show
that they thought that was a Coca Cola machine and
they shot and killed a person, that's Ingri. This is
not one of those cases, because his mind was working
constantly before he purposely killed Larry Henderson. That's going to

(31:46):
be difficult. But in Clyde Bennett's defense, what do you do? Well,
it's not a who done it? It's kind of like
why was it done? And the reason in a sick
criminal mind would be answered, eye for an eye tooth tooth.
You take my boy, I'm taking one of yours. And
that demonstrates the defeat of Nngri because it means the

(32:07):
mind was working. Let's continue with more, and this case
is going to be tried over the next several months,
and I predict there won't be a trial until the
year twenty twenty six at the earliest, and they'll try everything.
But if justice is done, the murderer of Larry Henderson

(32:28):
face must face the death penalty. Let's continue with more
and after two o'clock we have a representative of the Shield.
I know Chief Wallace and Emily Village and many other
cops A have an organization put together to receive some
funds to alleviate the suffering of family members, especially the
Henderson family. I would anticipate they're not particularly rich and

(32:50):
they just lost the leader of their family. And like
many others, they would like number one, they would like
your prayers and sympathies. But number two, there's a way
of helping the Henderson family, and we're going to deal
with that after two o'clock today. So that's kind of
where it is. And I would point out this Sincere Grigsby,
one of the four individuals involved in this auto theft,

(33:11):
was already on probation from juvenile court for another auto
theft he was involved in with a gun. So and
of course we can't find out the criminal record yet
of Ryan Hinton. I was told by a little birdie.
He has an extensive juvenile record and never was held
to account for criminal misbehavior and juvenile court, which would

(33:34):
be consistent with the way we have juvenile court today.
So the investigation continues. In the next week or two,
we should know more videotape, we should have more, and
I would anticipate that Michael Wright may be requesting a
second autopsy on his client's body, that is Ryan Hinton,
that is often done in these cases, plus public records
request will be made to do the investigation. I would

(33:57):
point out the elements of the Hinton family were extremely
solicitous as far as the sympathies toward the family of
Larry Henderson. There was one woman that during the news
conference got off track, but the majority of them were
sympathetic to Henderson. So one case seeks to I guess
money judgment against the City of Cincinnati, and the other

(34:19):
case seeks should seek the death penalty for Rodney Hinton.
Will continue to follow both Bill Cunningham with you every
day your home of the Reds playing the night about
six ZHO five in Atlanta. Maybe they can score some runs.
A news radio seven hundred WLTIM on Billy Cunningham, the

(34:41):
great American. Of course, yesterday there was a news conference
held with Michael Wright of the Cochran Law Firm, who
represents the estate of the eighteen year old Ryan Hinton.
And it's not directly or indirectly involved with the actual
of the prosecution or defense of the father, Rodney Hinton. Jonan,
you and I now as Michael Right of the Cochran
Law Firm. First of all, Michael Wright, welcome to the

(35:01):
Bill Cunningham Show. So as we sit here this Tuesday
afternoon in the tri State, can you kind of tell
the American people what is the legal formation of the estate,
Who's going to be the beneficiaries, what is your research
going to do? Are you going to ask for another autopsy? Exactly?
What does Michael Wright do at the beginning of this case.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
Yeah, well, thank you, thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Bill.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
Initially, we are setting up the estate. Grandmother, I believe,
is going to be the administrator of the estate as
a mom lives in Pennsylvania and Dad would like grandmother
to be the administrator. So we're in the process of

(35:45):
opening up the estate. We're in the process of doing
public records requests, getting the videos, getting all the police reports,
and getting all those things that the police have put
together at after mister Hinton was shot and keeled.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Are you going to request a second autopsy or not?

Speaker 5 (36:09):
We're discussing right now based on the video. I don't
believe we're going to have a it's going to be
necessary to have a second autopsy.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
When I spoke to the police Union had last week
on Friday ken Kober, he said the shot was fired
from about a distance of ten feet and that it
was a chest wound. And when I look at the video,
which I'm sure you've looked out about one hundred times,
it appears that your client, in a sense, Ryan Hint
Hint in the eighteen year old, was sideways and not

(36:44):
directly chest to chest. Is the entry of the wound
important in your consideration?

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Yes, it is very is very important, and that's why
we're still discussing the independent independent However, the video speaks
for itself. I mean, we have very good tech people
that are going to dissect this video and show you

(37:12):
know what occurred it. As you indicate you saw the video,
it doesn't look like a shot directly from you know,
in the front, from the chest. There was definitely a
shot from the side. And if you really watch the video,
Ryan didn't even look at that police officer. He didn't
know that that police officer was there when he came

(37:33):
through those two dumpsters. All he was doing was running.
He was running as fast as he could. And what's
interesting is that, you know, as looking at the video,
I don't even know if the officer that took the
shot even saw that he had a gun. The only
reason he knew that there was a gun was because

(37:53):
one of the officers was yelling gun, gun, gun, because
Ryan had fell and picked up the gun started running.
So the fact that this officer saying that, well, he
pointed the gun in my direction or you know, and
I think the police chief indicated that there's no video
evidence that will show that, you know, Ryan ever pointed

(38:15):
the gun at any officer.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
I had on Chief of Police Teresa Thiji yesterday, I
believe she said, it's not clear from the video whether
the gun was pointed at the officer, but it is
clear that he had in his possession a non millimeter
with an extended mag and so yeah, go ahead, please.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
No, I agree with that he did have a firearm.
It was in his right hand. He was running from
the officers. The officer that shot him was on his left,
kind of caddy corner to Ryan. So you know the
video at I'm still waiting for the other angles. But
you know, the video that we were shown doesn't picked

(39:00):
you know, him pointing the gun or even knowing that
that officer was there as he was running past.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
If the Cincinnati Police officer and I have this on
fairly good authority, was in a position where he perceived
the gun was pointed at him, it's it critical in
reality whether he had a perception based upon reasonable grounds.
You have a young man who had just jumped out
of a vehicle. He dropped the nine millimeter allegedly with

(39:29):
an extended mag He then had the mental framework to
pick up the gun. I was told there was a
that there was a round in the chamber. I was
told the safety was off, and that the officer perceived
his life was in jeopardy. Whether or not the gun
was actually pointed, the availability of the gun to shoot
the police was within a split second. Do you consider the.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
Issue of whether or not he perceived danger is the
same as danger actually.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
Existing, Well, it has to be a reasonable perception If
Ryan is running past him never even looked at the officer,
then it's not reasonable for the officer.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
To feel like or believe that he was in imminent danger.
If this person is just running never even looked in
your direction, how would you determine or would why would
you feel like it was necessary to shoot and kill

(40:30):
this young man when the young man didn't even look
in your direction.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Why did Ryan Hinton have the gun in the first place?
It's illegal if you're under twenty one to be in
possession of a handgun in the state of Ohio. Why
did they have the gun in the first place.

Speaker 5 (40:44):
I agree with that, and I can't answer that question.
But having a gun and that being a death sentence
that shouldn't happen. So there are a lot of folks
that have guns legally illegally, but you know it does
in this situation. I don't believe it should have led
to his death. Clearly, he didn't make you know, great

(41:06):
judgment calls, But you know, whether this officer should have
pulled the trigger based on a reasonable police officer standard,
at this point I would say no, But again, we
are still investigating. I don't have all of the information
to make a real determination as to whether or not

(41:29):
this was reasonable, whether or not this was a lawful
a lawful shoot.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
I was told also that he's got an extensive jewvenile record.
Can you disclose that to the American people? Yes? Or no?

Speaker 2 (41:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (41:44):
His juvenile record. I don't have a copy of his
juvenile record at this point. But the officer didn't know
anything about his juvenile record when he came in contact
with him, So that's pretty irrelevant as to the officer
making a decision as to whether not to shoot or
not shoot. Because the officer didn't know what his juvenile
record was.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
At this early point. I think you would agree it's
an early point because we're still weeks away from getting
the entire record. At this point, what would you tell
the American people that this police officer did wrong? That
would result and maybe criminal charges fooled against him, which
I think would be ridiculous, but nonetheless that would give
way to a civil lawsuit. What did the police officer

(42:26):
do wrong?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Well, and again I'm still investigating. Based on the small
amount of video that we've seen, it doesn't look like
Ryan even looked over at the officer. That officer just
made a split second bad call and shot and killed Ryan. Again,

(42:48):
the gun was as the chief even indicated the gun
was not pointed or based on the video evidence, the
gun was not pointed at the police officer. So you know,
we're still again, we're still investigating. But you know, having
being in a stolen car having a gun shouldn't be

(43:09):
a death sentence well, and.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Also may indicated a criminal predisposition desiring to flee. I
had one prosecutor to tell me that fleeing is consciousness
of guilt. That is, when someone instead of your client,
Ryan Hinton, or the estate Ryan Hinton's estate, getting out
of the car putting his hands up, he didn't do that.
He made the conscious decision to pick up a nine
millimeter with an extended meg and put it in his hand.

(43:35):
He ran a few steps and fell to the pavement
and the gun freed itself from his clutch because of
the fall. He then made a decision to pick up
the gun with what intent when have to assume is
the intent to shoot police? Otherwise why pick up the
gun twice? And then when the word gun, gun, gun,
a police officer is trained at that point to understand

(43:55):
it's a life and death situation. So the officer is running,
he looks and seized individual running with a gun in
his right hand, which would take a split second for
him to turn his head to the left and shoot
the cop. All those circumstances, your client hit control of
that situation. And how do you respond to those who
say that your client, Ryan Hidden's behavior caused his own death.

Speaker 5 (44:19):
I do believe that his behavior was not proper, but
I don't believe it was too The officer should have
recently believed that he was in imminent danger and discharged
the firearm. But again, you know, we're still investigating. And
in terms of being in a stolen vehicle, we're still

(44:40):
investigating that information as well, because we're getting information that
they were in a Toro, which is like a rental car.
So I don't know if this that one of the
kids had rented the vehicle and it and overkept its
you know, and kept it for too long and that's

(45:02):
why it was reported the way it was, or if
someone else rented it and it was stolen from the
person that rented the vehicle. So we are still trying
to gather information as to the circumstances of them being
in the vehicle in the first place.

Speaker 1 (45:17):
So, Michael right, you're saying the media is reporting, in fact,
the police are reporting that in Edgewood, Kentucky, this car,
this Kia, was heisted, drove across state lines, which is
a felony by itself, and then it found itself in
the parking lot of this East Price Sila condo project.
Are you saying those facts may not be accurate.

Speaker 5 (45:36):
Yeah, I'm saying we're still investigating. I do not know
those facts to be accurate.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Yesterday at the news conference, I heard a relative who
was in tears stating that that Ryan Hinton came to
him late at night, I guess the evening immediately before,
in order to sleep there, and that he didn't get up.
Was that was that? Wouldn't that indicate your client didn't
have a car. Did he have the car at the

(46:05):
night before or did he How was he involved with
the other three individuals in this car? Are you saying
that possibly there was not the theft of this car
from Edgewood and that somehow some other car was used
by a person other than your client that may have
been staying over on a lease or a rental.

Speaker 5 (46:21):
Yeah, I'm not Bill All I'm saying is that we're
investigating all information that's coming in. We're sorting through and
trying to determine what's factual and what's not factual. So
it is very early on. This happened what a couple
of days ago, and they're still doing our due diligence.
We're doing our investigation to determine the actual facts of

(46:44):
what occurred that led to Ryan to death.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
Now, Michael Wright of the Cochrane Law Firm, I've had
I've had you on before about the Crawford matter and
Walmart about ten years ago. As far as the circumstances,
the police indicate that that this matter is extremely serious.
It is the I think them from the police perspective,

(47:09):
it's the attempted murder of a police officer and the
officer responded to that. And you're stating the imminent danger
is going to be a key key element whether or
not to go down that route if you cannot, And
you're saying that a jury down the road maybe as
to put themselves in the shoes of that police officer
to determine whether it was reasonable to assume that this

(47:30):
police officer in Cincinnati had an eminent reasonable grounds to
believe that he was an eminent danger. Is that the standard?

Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Absolutely Now, lastly, releasing the tape, I've had more than
one tell me that it's not common to release the
tape quickly. It used to be after thorough investigation. You
repeatedly said, which I think is completely reasonable. You have
to get all the information together to prove the gun
was in the hand of your client. Was his fingerprints

(47:59):
on the gun? Where did the gun come from? You
have various cams, maybe of the condo project, maybe in Edgewood, Kentucky.
You have several police cameras on and that I asked
Fiji the chief police yesterday, why is it policy now
to release it within twenty four hours before the investigation
is even partially completed? And some have said that precipitated

(48:23):
events ultimately resulting in the death of Larry Henderson. As
a lawyer involved in these cases often from your perspective,
is it a good idea to release the videotape quickly
or is it better to wait a week or two
till you get all the facts together well?

Speaker 5 (48:40):
And you mentioned the officer Henderson. I want to offer
my condolences to his family because this is very tragic
and this shouldn't have occurred. So the Hinton family does
definitely want to offer their condolences to the family. In
terms of when the video said be released, you know,

(49:01):
that's their policy. Should they have waited to release it.
I can't say yes or no, but I definitely believe
that it should be released to the family before it's
released to the public. So it appeared that Cincinnati Police
Department was very anxious to release this video to the public,

(49:24):
and since they were anxious to do so, they wanted
to make sure that the family saw the video first.
So is that a good policy? I can't. I can't
speak on whether or not that's a good policy. I
can tell you that, you know, we watched the video.
The video was disturbing. The family was upset, and you

(49:51):
can imagine watching your child, your loved one, being shot
and killed on video. That would be you know, pretty
difficult to do.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
So, Michael, right, you were there when Rodney Hinton, the
thirty eight year father, observed the video.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Correct, I was, yes.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
How is his behavior? How was his comments?

Speaker 5 (50:13):
He didn't make any comments, He was unable to sit
through the entire video. He got up, he walked out,
I didn't see you know him. He didn't make any statements.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
He was very quiet.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
He didn't give any expression verbally or otherwise. He was
about to engage in behavior hunting down a police officer
and killing a cop.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
There was no indication at that point, There was no
indication at all.

Speaker 5 (50:44):
You know, he was he was quiet.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Everyone in the room was upset.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
By what they saw, but you know, there was He
did not act out in any manner. He got up,
he quietly walked down out at some point came back
and you know, we would have never anticipated that, you know,
this would have occurred a couple hours later.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
All right, Michael Wright, thank you of the Cochran Law firm.
Maybe we'll discuss this matter in a few weeks again
with you. Thanks for coming on this Tuesday afternoon. We'll
see where things develop. And you want to give out
your your website if someone has information on the case unbeknownst,
what is there? What is your firm's website if somebody
wants to go to communicate with you, Yeah, just cochronohio
dot com. All right, Michael, right, thank you again for

(51:31):
coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you, Michael, Thank
you for having me, God bless you. Let's continue with more.
The line becomes available five one, three, seven, four, nine,
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Speaker 7 (51:46):
I just I do feel it's much better for Canada,
but we're not going to be discussing that unless somebody
wants to discuss it. I think that there are tremendous
benefits to the Canadian citizens, tremendously lower tack says free military,
which honestly we give you essentially anyway because we're.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
Protecting Canada if you have had a problem.

Speaker 7 (52:07):
But I think you know it's it would really be
a wonderful marriage because it's two places.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
They get along very well. They like each other a
lot well.

Speaker 8 (52:17):
If I'm as you know from real estate, there are
some places that are never for sale. We're sitting in
one right now, you know, bucking and Palace, and you
visit it as well. Yes, and having met with the
owners of Canada over the course of the campaign last
several months, it's not for sale, won't be for sale ever.

(52:39):
But the opportunity is in the partnership.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
And what we can build together.

Speaker 8 (52:44):
And we have done in the past. And part of that,
as the President just said, is with respect to our
own security, and my government is committed for a step
change in our investment in Canadian security and our partnership.
And I'll say this as well, that the President has
revitalized international security, revitalized nations and US playing our full

(53:06):
weight uh in NATO, and that will be parched.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
Hello, quiet, and I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
Sega you for sale to the right person? Are you
for sale? How much would it take?

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yes, answer is yes, Are you for sale? Of course?
How much? Millions? Sarah Elise? Is she for sale? I
don't know. Don't you ask her? I don't see her
as much as you do tomorrow every morning? See if
she's for said kid Chris is for sale? Yes? Yeah?
Who isn't for Rockey boyman?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (53:46):
No, yes, yes, let's lopham say yes. Oh them said segment.
Are you for sale?

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Yes? Do we want Canada to be the fifty first state?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Call no, no, no that we got enough problems with
fifty im here plaus that would gare Democrats elected for
the rest of my lifetime? And yes, fifty first?

Speaker 1 (54:04):
There to the left of California, Canadian he says, yes,
what no, well, he's not It would give the Democrats
fifty five more electoral votes and about thirty five seats
in the House and two more Senate seats. What are
you talking about. I don't want Canada any part of this.

Speaker 4 (54:21):
Let's this fifty first state thing. Go die get go
bring it up is stupid. That's really stupid. Yes, he says, yes.

Speaker 5 (54:29):
What is?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Where does Lapham stand on Tyler Callahan talk about what happened?
Was that ball caught last night?

Speaker 2 (54:35):
Or what?

Speaker 1 (54:35):
He's got more issues than a magazine stand well, he.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
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Tame Star quality.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
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Speaker 1 (54:53):
And I think what it is Trump does this because
he likes to irritate people. You know, my wife accuses
me of ir hitting her all the time, which I
do for no obvious reason. I don't know why Trump would
want to aggravate and irritate the Canadian Prime minister when
which is won a deal?

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Give me a deal, deal, But I don't want them
part of this country to you maybe maybe they're in California.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
Maybe the guys are Republican. How about Washington, Oregon, New
York State and California going to Canada.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
Now you're talking, Yeah, so we get Ontario auto.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
There's only one or two provinces where the crap of
Alberta and we need the conservative part.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
Let's see.

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Speaker 4 (55:58):
Smith Sawyer, Salve Sholver AJ Smith Sholver took a no
hitter into the eighth, and young Tyler Callahan heard himself
crashing into the wall.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Last night.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
Santiago Espinal led off the eighth with a clean single
for the reds Loane hit of the night. But mister Callahan, uh,
and it's just his fourth major league game, broke his
left forearm.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Did he catch that ball? I think he did, but
the umpires said this.

Speaker 4 (56:29):
According to rule five point nine A one one, the
play can't be ruled to catch if simultaneously or immediately
following his contact with the ball he collides with a
player or a wall, or falls down as a result
of such collision or falling.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
Drops the ball. Did he drop the ball? Yes? He did?
How long because his arm was busted? How much time
went by between he caught the ball and he dropped
the ball? Milliseconds? Go ahead? So I'm fires ruled it?
And uh right, he can't hit, can't score run.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
So mister Callahan is back into Queens City today and
I guess they're gonna schedule surgery soon.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Haven't heard anything yet. Didn't he star in Dirty Harry Calling?
I thought that guy looked familiar.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
I think he was the co he was wearing thirty
two to the Jim Brown Brownie, Yes, mister perfect, Yeah,
Yes Callahan eighteen and eighteen Now Willie and Brave the
Braves ain't game two tonight. It'll be U six oh
five Sports Talking Lance, RNL Carriers, Inside Pitch and then
Kelsey Chevrolet Extra Ding.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Show After the game.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
Andrew Abbott and Chris sail a pair of two lefties
go at it tonight.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
How sale doing? Is he for sale? I think he's
like one in two or one in he got to be.
Let's see Jesse Winker.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
The Mets what out for some six to eight weeks
right oblique injury?

Speaker 1 (57:53):
Here we go without oblique.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
The Texas Rangers are hiring former Reds infielder Bret Boone.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Number twenty nine did not He had fifty home runs.

Speaker 4 (58:02):
As their major league hitting coach starting tonight in Boston.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Who else wore number twenty nine? Who was it?

Speaker 5 (58:08):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (58:08):
I used to remember some loudmouth from California. I thought
he was an outfielder.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
What's his name? I forget his name? Smith?

Speaker 7 (58:17):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Herm Winningham?

Speaker 2 (58:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Herm Winningham wore twenty nine? Yes?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
What he?

Speaker 1 (58:22):
The thing did I do?

Speaker 9 (58:23):
Is I play one hundred percent like I said before,
every single time.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Oh No, I know who that is?

Speaker 9 (58:28):
Ballplayer. I like to win, and I think I can
add a lot to a ball club.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Who is?

Speaker 10 (58:34):
I have told.

Speaker 9 (58:37):
I will probably.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Next week You're gonna sit down with Pete.

Speaker 9 (58:41):
I'm gonna have a little talk. We'll have a little
cup of coffee.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Over in the wholehouse, and I'm gonna tell him some listen.
Can I be there? Well, you're telling me what happens.
I won't say it worked well.

Speaker 9 (58:50):
Pete asked me the other day, says, can you can
you move around the outfield? I says, Pete, I can
do anything?

Speaker 1 (58:57):
Can he do radio? Can you remember that guy's name?

Speaker 4 (59:00):
I'm about sixty, but sixty percent of meat still better
than one hundred percent of Dan Carroll Daniel.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
I just left Carroll. Can't can't place the name? Can
you the voice?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
That guy?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I can't recall. I don't know. No, I don't know.
So he used to be somebody? Yeah, let's see.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Bengals update brought to you by Good Spirits and Party
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Joe Burrow will he paced two of the work Voluntary
off season program is underway with Ted McKay downtown. He's
in a fashion show. No no, Joe Burrow at the
workout Sunday. Was in Miami for the Miami Grand Prix
Formula one race, is in a fashion show and grace

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the red carpet last night at the met Gala in
New York City.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
Jesus blue gray, a blue gray.

Speaker 4 (59:47):
Suit that you and I, well you could afford it
and Gucci printed sneakers.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Could he become a male model? Ade? I guess you know.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
So he wasn't there today, but uh uh bj Hill
was in a protective boot in his left foot. There
we go, Zachar, Here we go Jake the Snake, Browning
and Logan Woodside with the quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
So he's got time to be on the runway at
the met Galla, but not here and Cincinnati getting ready
for the man tomorrow. He better be here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Chase Higgins Giziki on the field, on the practice field today,
Willie has faced who is underway with Ted McKay was
the influencer with him Burrow.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
He's got an influencer that I don't know is Judson Hudson?
Is that her name? Who I don't know? I don't
know it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
No, that's always not Jordan Hut's all we need in
this town. What if that happened here? Oh, that'd be beautiful. Oh,
Jordan Hutt fit in perfect with the way things are
going around here. That'd be wonderful. Bengal safety Gino Gino,
Gino Stone. It's going to remain on a reduced contract.
What he's accepted a pay cut?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
He did? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
In Ley slated to make six point four to seven
five million this year. He's there agreed to a four
four point nine million dollar deal. Why did you give
up all that money because you're going to be cut?
Is that the reason?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Well? Maybe? And also number ninety one, what Trey Hendrickson
who raises money for Jry bark Well, they got to
get the dough the ray endo me for him, right,
we got his that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:19):
It also looks like I just saw a report off
the wire. What is it that Derby winner Sovereignty is
going to skip the Preakness and run the Belmont.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I got a picture here of Joe Burrow sent to
me by an airline captain.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Take a look at his picture. What is that a
checkered flag? I think it's a dress. Does Joe Burrow
have a dress on? Is it like a checkered flag?
I bet he's headed to the Indianapolis five hundred?

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Is that? Is that one of those AI deals? I
think so? Yeah, he wore a dress over the weekend. No, no,
he did. He wore men's clothes. Take a look at
that right there?

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
What do you see that's not that's that's one of
his AIAI thing. Yes, it don't don't get us started, please,
I'm just saying, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
He looks somewhat attractive. Maybe I shouldn't say that. You
just did. Okay, what else is going on here? I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
I went Joe eight qualified yesterday at Mcteewah. What about
for the US Oil and Grammar? What about him didn't
make it? Who made it? Uh? Leo Wessel our guy
went to he's going to UC from Indianapolis. We made
that hole in one on number two, hold on one
on two, then a double bogie on three.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Right, but he still made it. Daniel Wedderick is in.
Is he actually in the tournament and go to the
sectional after this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
Well I guess they go to the next Yeah. So,
but I mean, you know he qualified for the US Open.
It's pretty good in it at the back, Yes, the
home of Mark Shear and Dale Donovan.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
They own it. But I'll tell you what that is
a serious golf course. When they play the buttons back
and say bring it on, tough wet, How does that
compare to the friendly confines? Yeah? Well, Ken was more
of a country club and Mcattee Wall is more of
a golf course. Okay, there's a big difference. Is MCA
te wh have a pool? They have a little pool.

(01:03:12):
We have we have five pools.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
You do?

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yes? I thought you only had one? No, No, that
we've remodeled. We have five pools. Well, have a thirty
What do you go to hold the Olympics there? Now
we have a thirty meter diving platform. Now you and
I can dive off. Let's see you do a cannonball
from ninety feet. I would uh that pool would be
emptied in seconds like a tsunami. Correct, take out a green?

Speaker 4 (01:03:39):
Yeah, but uh, when you play it back the bac
te's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
It's a it's a hairy asque golf course. That's all
I can tell.

Speaker 10 (01:03:48):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Better have hair all over your body. Okay. Did Joe
Burrow wear a dress? That's what I want to know.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
No, right here, that's a that's a mess. That's a
I he had. He had a nice suit on last
night at the met gala.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
What goes on? What do they do?

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
They have dinner there and then they they all just
stand around and look at each.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
Other or something or what I've never done that. What
does a met gala do? Some of those outfits. You
weren't invited when you went in New York. I've been
at the met twice. Not my cup of tea? Shall
we say?

Speaker 9 (01:04:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:04:18):
But weren't you invited when you were doing the big
show out there at the met galas?

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
I had Papa? Why didn't you going me around? Why
didn't he go? Because me and shall we say, certain
female star of Fox News were rumored Kimberly Guilfoyle. I
got some pictures of me, and have you seen the
pictures of me and her?

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
That's not Ai And you're telling me so just to
Joe Burrow, you got Gucci printed sneakers?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yes, I do. How much of those costs? By the way,
it's seventy thousand dollars per plate, a little more expensive
than Ron's roost seventy thousand of plate. So you take
a couple with you to talk. I'll tell you one thing.
There's another picture. Is that really him? Not in a dress?

Speaker 4 (01:04:59):
No, it's a boostier knows that what that is. That's
all we need is I called a boost. He's a
man's man and a woman's man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Talk to the influencer about that, just saying, who's the influencer?
That was a twenty three year old that was with
him in the house in Anderson Township when his home
was burglarized by the Chileans. That was her name, the influencer.
I am the influencer. Believe me, I've seen her. She
could influence me to do all kinds of stuff. I
bet if women knew that part of they head over us,

(01:05:25):
we'd be in worship than we're in right now. That's
for sure. That's all I can tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:29):
The Baltimore Ravens released a kicker, Justin Tucker last night.
Of course, he's been accused of sexual misconduct at eight
spas and wellness centers throughout Baltimore.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Not good. They said it was a football decision. You
tell me, that's not Joe Burrow wearing a boost tier.
Is that a boost tier? You know what a boostier is. Yeah,
that's not him. Who's sending that stuff?

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Can't say, yeah, can't say, can't say, just saying I
don't want to start any roomors, so it'll be better
than that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Yeah, it's true. So thousand plate I went to Ron.

Speaker 4 (01:06:04):
I tell you one thing, if if I'm paying seventy
What was on the menu?

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
If I tell you one thing, seed quail?

Speaker 4 (01:06:11):
If if if I'm going to a place to eat
for seventy grand, I'm gonna be there for a few days.
I'm gonna get get my fill. Guy Fieri, got.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
Nothing to be there eating like you're going to the electric.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
That's like going to Ron's Roost buffet twenty four to
seven for a week.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Our bill at Sunday afternoon was fifty two dollars. Took
food home with me seventy thousand dollars the GOLLA met.
Guess what I'd have a carry out back? Would you
better send those refunds? Amen to that? I got the
quail I got freaking what is what is freaking seed quail?
I don't know? Don't ask me, dan quail? What is that?
Ask uh Rocky would know. Yeah, Rocky knows about food.

(01:06:50):
Shrimp Bombay launched a Newburgh and freaka seed quail under glass?
What that might? That's not my cup of tea? There
all right, segment, give me out of the studerip After
two o'clock today we're gonna have on a police officer,
Chief Scott Snow about how you can legitimately provide funds
to the Henderson family and there are of need. And

(01:07:11):
he's going to talk about numerous others, yes, fictitious sites,
stealing money from Venmo to help the Henderson family. We'll
deal with that in about ten minutes plus. I've arranged
an interview tomorrow with Clyde Bennett, who the attorney for Hinton.

Speaker 4 (01:07:30):
Willie and honor of National Teacher Day and National Nurses
Day on this Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
We need more NA.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
Nurses, segment and teachers. We leave you with the immortal
words of the stud report.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
At some point that foolishness has got to stop. And
I'm gonna miss that guy. In about two years a
year and a half, he'll be gone, and Vivek Ramaswami
will govern Ohio with an iron grips. Seg Man and Michael.

Speaker 4 (01:08:02):
Mike the Wine will probably move here and become a
commentator for you. Come on, it might be your feeling,
could be I could use a good one. You go on,
you know, you go on your trips or something, no question.
Go to the Southern Command. I got more pictures there
of Joe Burrow in a boostier. Give it up on
seven hundred WLW.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Enter it now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
By Bill cunning Immigrant America came out there recently that
there's certain websites go plumby sites that seek to support
either Rodney Hinton or Ryan Hinton. Either the eighteen year
old is dead or the father who's I guess is
going to make a not guilty of our reasonable insanity
plea according to his attorney Clyde Bennett. But the other
side of this coin is what's going to happen now
to the Henderson family. Shield Ohio is a charitable group

(01:08:54):
put together to assist fall in law enforcement officers in
the performance of their duties, to assist the family members
joining you and I now as Chief Scott Snow, he
spent many years in writing The Home of the Blue Devils.
As the chief of police, he is now involved with
heading up a lot of the circumstances with the parks
in Hamlety County. Does work there in the great park

(01:09:17):
system we have and Chief Scott Snow, welcome again to
the Bill Cunning m Show. And first of all, tell
us what Shield Ohio does to assist fallen heroes.

Speaker 10 (01:09:26):
Sure we appreciate the opportunity to talk.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Bill.

Speaker 10 (01:09:29):
The Shield Ohio was created by Cops for cops, and
our sole purpose is to help those officers that are
seriously injured or the families of officers who are killed
in the line of duty. We do all our own fundraising.
We have no paid staff. We are board of directors
are cops or former officers or their friends of law enforcement.

(01:09:52):
We go out, we collect money for these types of
unfortunate events, and we not only give financial support to
the fail but we also give emotional support for the families.
And it was created actually all the way back in
twenty twenty I'm sorry, two thousand with the off the
death of Cincinnati police Officer Crown, and the Hamiley County

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police chiefs at the time felt like they needed to
do something, so they stepped up and they all contributed
one hundred dollars towards the front of the family and
that was where the shield was born from. And since then,
like I said, we're five O one C three. We
have been a part, unfortunately, of many of the tri
state officers deaths and officers have been seriously injured in

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the night of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
Duty because there's a gap. For example, if some officer
is injured, the expenses may be horrendous. Most are covered
some or not. When a death takes place like in
Henderson's case, it's truly unbelievable. Who decides who gets the
money and who decides how much they get. Who's in
charge of the money.

Speaker 10 (01:10:54):
We have a board of directors and we control that money.
We will sit down with the family and our major
focus is the short term. As you said, you know,
there are some moneies that come in from the federal
government when an officer dies in the line of duty,
and some state moneies. But what about the short term?
What about who's going to make next month's more mortgage

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dem payment, who's going to make the kid's tuition, who's
going to pay for the internet for the house, who's
going to pay for Little Johnny's karate lessons. That's the
kind of stuff we step in. We try to identify
the living expenses for the family for the next few
months or several months at that and then we will
issue direct aid to the family. We don't ask for

(01:11:36):
an accounting because that's their business, but we want to
be there for them. The other thing that we do
is which is unique, is that you ever try to
get a last minute airline ticket that's a little expensive
So what we've done in the past is we have
flown in family members from out of state the way
they could come in and partake in the funeral services

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and be there as an emotional support for the family.
Kaya Grant, the spring Day officer that was killed a
couple of years ago, you know, Shield brought in her
father who lived in Atlanta, and other family members, and
we pay for airline tickets, we pay for hotels, we
pay for rental cars, we pay for meals, because we
want the family to be whole, to be there for
these types of tragic events. So we do a lot

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of that kind of stuff. We pay for weeks, we
pay for you know, all the little expenses that you
don't think about.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
And many family members here, like in Chase, what happened
on two seventy five to her was unbelievable and it comes,
it comes immediately. You don't have planning, and the money
needs to be there now. One of the one of
the sadness is in our society are sick individuals taking
advantage in this case of the murder of Larry Henderson.
Explain what's happened some of these fake sites and people

(01:12:51):
divert money for their personal reasons.

Speaker 10 (01:12:53):
Yeah, we use different platforms to help collect the nations,
pay Pal, Venmo, and it just so happens on Friday
into Saturday. We have a Venmo account and it's the
Shield Ohio. But some evil people in this world decided
to go in and create spoof sites on Venmo by

(01:13:15):
changing a letter or putting a character on there. But
they use our logo, our information to try to solicit
donations from the generous public and trying to take money
away from the family.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Unbelievable. That's a criminal act. I would hope the authorities
are Prosecutor's office be involved with that. Talk about the
Henderson family themselves. I met him one time briefly a
year or two ago, and and but those who know
him well, like Charmaine mcuffey and others, say he was
the best of the best. And you also provide Shield
Ohio provides emotional support. Explain the connection you've had with

(01:13:51):
the Henderson family after Thursday.

Speaker 10 (01:13:54):
Sure, well, like I said, we know, we try to
get involved right from the start. We were there at
the hospital there walking you know, through those tragic events
with the family. I can tell you that I have
to echo what others have said about Larry of New Larry,
and you know, he was a unique individual. A Marine
Corps veteran, a member of the SWAT team, a sworn

(01:14:17):
law enforcement officer. He was on several task force over
his career. But yet the man had an ability to
take those hats off and be one of the most
compassionate and sympathetic human beings you'd ever meet. And here's
a man who is, you know, a foster parent and
engaged in his community in other ways separate from law enforcement.

(01:14:37):
He was just a great individual. And so we're trying
to be there for him and his family. We work
hand in hand with the hamlet Ac County Police Association,
Clergy Team, and several other mental health organizations in the
tri state area. We can tap into those resources that
the family needs them. We're just there to be a
support mechanism for them.

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
How's the family doing?

Speaker 10 (01:15:00):
There are strictly grief written and rightfully so, and they
question why why was Larry targeted? And you know, I've
dealt with a lot of these deaths of the years,
and it's always the same thing, why, And especially in
some type of senseless act like this, everybody's just have

(01:15:20):
a loss for words, and you know, it's hard to
say anything to people, you know why. It's just it's
just it's just.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Heartbreaking, especially when something of this character. He was in
a sense of volunteering for those who knew him. My
sister Diane Reddin knew him well. As far as he's
on the SWAT team, he's on the dive team, he's
an instructor, he's part of SWAT, interacts with the FBI.

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He's on the bomb squad. He goes through bombs, he
goes through underwater diving, he goes through instructing, goes through
all these things that are inherently dangerous. Having completed thirty
three years of service and December and then three four
months later he's on a traffic detail and some deranged
criminal just wants to look for a uniform and kill

(01:16:10):
that person. And this is even in a sense worse.

Speaker 10 (01:16:15):
And you know, I just tell people think about the
man retired, he's coming back, he's working some AFTI de details,
you know, just trying to help out the family. And
here he's actually helping people crossing the street and he's
targeted for that. It's craziness. It just it makes no sense,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:16:34):
Once again, it's a five oh one C three Shield
Ohio of somebody wants to be involved all the money
and unlike many charities were like thirty percent off the
top goes to administration or sometimes in Washington eighty percent
goes to salaries. There are no salaries and the money
is administered by people like you and Chief Wallace and

(01:16:56):
Thiji and those actually involved. They know the people involved.
This is in an application you get from someone said,
anyone know this guy? You know who exactly who it is,
You know exactly what's happening, and once again, how can
we help get the word out.

Speaker 10 (01:17:11):
Well, what would chourage people to do is to go
to our website the Shield Ohio dot com or Theshield
Ohio dot org, either one, and they'll see links on
our homepage. They can give donations directly through PayPal or Venmo.
We ask people to use our website as that portal
instead of going into those different applications and searching, because
that's where you find the spoof sites. You go to

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our website, click it. It's very easy, and just know
that your donation is going to go directly to the family.
And if people want there's a little memo line and
those different ways to donate, and they can just put
I want this to go to the family, and we're
going to take care of all that for the next
couple of days. But let's say somebody makes a donation
a month from now, just put in the Henderson family
and it'll go to them.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I'm putting it right now on my line. I'm going
to make sure it's easy to do the Shield Ohio
dot com. Is that correct?

Speaker 10 (01:18:02):
That's correct there, it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:03):
Is Shield o'hilo dot com. Donate about contact supporters, do
it legitimately and don't be suckered by those who want
to benefit through the suffering of others, which happens too
much in our society. The board of directors are those
directly involved in law enforcement. The Henderson family is not
well off and they could use a little bit of assistance,
and sadly there'll be another occasion. Chief Scott snow, there'll

(01:18:25):
be another occasion, another occasion. This is ongoing. Thanks for
doing what you're doing, and may Larry Henderson rest in peace.
And for those who want to help, there's a way
to do it. The Shield Ohio dot com and.

Speaker 10 (01:18:39):
Billy, we appreciate your time, and we appreciate you getting
this word out. You're a great American for supporting law enforcement.

Speaker 5 (01:18:45):
Like you do.

Speaker 10 (01:18:46):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
It's easy because you're the thin blue line between democracy
and anarchy. God knows, we have enough problem with law
enforcement today. So many police officers, deputy sheriffs do not
want to be engaged. They don't want to they're being
old implicitly. Don't be progressive, do not be aggressive, don't
go out there, relax a little bit. And now you

(01:19:07):
got this deputy sheriff. We's simply helping people across the
street for a UC commencement address, and he's targeted for
murder because of the uniform that he wore, particularly egregious.
Of course, all these I go back to Sonny Kim.
Whenever I'm at GEDD to Heaven Cemetery, I always stop
by Sonny Kim's grave and say a silent prayer thanks

(01:19:27):
for what he went through. He was a Cincinnati police
officer killed about eight years ago in Madisonville. And Larry
Henderson is in the same category. It's just somebody doing
their job and trying to keep democracy, trying to keep
civilization together. Then they're murdered, and there must be help
from society for it. But Chief Scott Snow once again,

(01:19:47):
thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show, and sadly
we may have to do it again.

Speaker 10 (01:19:52):
God bless your bill, take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
Thank you. Let's continue with more the line becomes available
five one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand, Ohio dot Com,
Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred. You ought now, Billy Cunningham.
Let's continue. We never stop. We simply continue. I'm glad
to have the platform that I have, that you've accorded

(01:20:16):
to me. In a sense I've earned it. But more importantly,
I'm here because of you in large listenership, and also
the advertisers. I thank them all. And right now, ohiomult
dot com is having a sale for Mother's Day and
twenty percent off all of their products. I thank them,
and so many others Raw Insurance, Western and Southern, so
many that keep it going. And I'll be here as

(01:20:37):
long as I appear to be useful, which I think
is the case as I speak. I would note that JD.
Vance has endorsed his half brother Corey Bowman for mayor
of the City of Cincinnati. You may not know, but
there's an election being held today. Head on earlier Frank LaRose, Franklosa,
Secretary of State, talking to my State issue too, and

(01:20:57):
based upon what he told me, I'm going to vote
yet yes on state issue too, along with my lovely wife,
because it's a continuation of a bonding ability the state
has for water projects and sewer and roads and bridges
and potholes. And let's face it, if it was for
the Cleveland Brown Stadium, that would not be too popular
in Cincinnati. If it was for the Bengals, it wouldn't

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be too popular in Cleveland, as for Ohio, state wouldn't
be popular in either location. But these bond levies have
nothing to do with any of the stadiums. It's the
continuation of the ability of the state to borrow money
in order to provide funds to have potholes fixed and
bridges and abutments things like that. On top of it,
and Frank Lorosa and others of voting yes on it,

(01:21:41):
he's a conservative Republican and a soldier. I'm going to
vote yes with him. But Jade Vance is endorsing Corey
Bowman to become the mayor of Cincinnati. I think the
City of Cincinnati voted seventy percent or so for Kamala Harris.
The odds of a Republican becoming the air of the
city Cincinnati has slighted best. It's been more than a

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half a century since the last mayor, which is Willis
Gratison in the early nineteen seventies. It's not changing anytime soon,
and I fear once again as a fall out of
what's happened in this case. To me, it's a clear
proper use of police use of force. It's clear to me,
clear to me as the blue sky above, that this

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police officer had the ability, the power, and the responsibility
to stop the threat presented by Ryan Hinton, eighteen years old.
A police officer does not have to wait until he
shot to make a decision. It was split second and
when he ran out between the dumpsters, it was obvious
to the police officer that Hinton had a nine millimeter

(01:22:47):
in his right hand. He didn't have to wait to say,
I'm gonna wait a split second longer to see if
he turns it towards me and shoots me. I'm going
to wait for that till I'm dead. Then maybe my
last dying gas returned fire. It doesn't work that way.
The law is if he perceived a threat that a
reasonable police officer would have perceived in the same circumstance,
it's a justified shooting. Hate to use the term it's

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a good shooting. None of these shootings are good except
in self defense. And this shooting was good because it
was in self defense. The cop defended his own life
and the life of officers behind him. Numerous times. Ryan
Hinton had the ability to stop his behavior. When the
police cars pulled into the lot with lights on and
sirens of blazing. Ryan Hinton could have got out of

(01:23:32):
the car, put his hands up and deal with it
as a stolen car and maybe a legal possession of
a firearm because whoever possessed him as four guys in
the car too, who knows what would have happened. He
would have to add on bond within six hours. Made
a mistake. Didn't surrender at that point. Two when he
made the decision to pick up the gun and run
with the gun. Why would somebody pick up a gun,

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a loaded gun with a slug in the in the
chambers planned to use it? Number two should have taken
the gun with him. Number three, when he slipped and
fell and the gun left his possession. Had a big
decision then with the cops right there, put his arms
up and say, okay, you got me. No, he didn't
do that. He picked up the gun. That's number three.

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Then when he continued to run with the gun, that's
number four. And at that point the officer did not
have to wait to get shot in order to dispel
the threat. And he was had the gun in his
possession for one reason, which was to shoot police officers.
That's why he had it. So I think his behavior
was completely reasonable. Let's continue to thirty one home your

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reds this radio seven hundred WW.

Speaker 11 (01:24:42):
Would not extend these big and as tax cuts, and
I would not pay for him by clombring the middle
class and the little middle class by cutting medicaid expensives
of what he said.

Speaker 3 (01:24:53):
He was had medicaid.

Speaker 11 (01:24:55):
Go watch the budget that's been submitted. It's already got
to take undreds. He said he was going in the war.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
It's nothing about cutting medicaid.

Speaker 11 (01:25:02):
I mean it is a private and I didn't say
I'm not saying not saying I'm going to end the
bunch of war.

Speaker 1 (01:25:09):
And you know it can I.

Speaker 2 (01:25:11):
No, you can't.

Speaker 11 (01:25:12):
You can't say it's in the budget there's a Medicaid
cut when there is it. Excuse me for I think
a while you are outrupting me.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
I am this is ridiculous, and I mean he does
it every.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Night and like a point, yes, go ahead.

Speaker 11 (01:25:23):
He was going to end the Ukraine War on day one.

Speaker 4 (01:25:26):
Oh, come on, he's a third But what did Biden
do for four years?

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
And there nothing? He tried me.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
Nuts, hello buiot and I'm broadcasting.

Speaker 4 (01:25:47):
Of course on Chris Cuomo lion.

Speaker 12 (01:25:52):
But that is the lie that he's gonna cut Medicaid,
which is absolutely not say he wants to cap Medicare.
And the sipulation is he thinks there should be a
work requirement about GID to get healthcare.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Is that not a sane idea?

Speaker 12 (01:26:07):
How many stands to answer that question, how many stands
in the Union require work to get healthcare?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
And say very few? One? You know which one? It is,
North Carolina, Georgia.

Speaker 12 (01:26:19):
Well, but it seems like a reasonable propositions to work
and gets some benefits, not gonna cutting you want to
cap it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
It's very different.

Speaker 12 (01:26:26):
That's the only talking point they have that and he
promised to end the war on day one, which happening yet,
but that's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
You're avoiding, of course, the obvious question.

Speaker 12 (01:26:34):
This is about Jordan Hudson or is it about Jojoe Burrow?
Both now Joe Burrow together? Now what the That's the
point I'm trying to make. Unless you quit interfering with
you in a minute. I think she's ditching Bill Belichick
right now for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 4 (01:26:49):
Is that possible? I don't think so now. And he
sent me a couple of articles last night. I sent
you who did you?

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Thank you?

Speaker 10 (01:26:56):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
It appears that the Bengals right now have some ota.
Am I right or wrong about?

Speaker 7 (01:27:00):
That?

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
Started today? New wide receivers got this, got that got
the Safeties. And Joe Burrows at the Met Gala on
the red carpet wearing a Boostdia. I don't think he's
wearing a boostier. He's wearing a told wear in a suit.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Did not?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
He wore a suit and Gucci sneakers I got. I
got a picture of him. I got those Gucci sneakers rock.
You know what a BOOSTI is, but a Boostia, I'm
not sure what that is. Seg said, he wears I
don't know what it is himself. I don't know if
you probably wear them at night top that females wear right,
Not sure, but segment tells me that's the case. What

(01:27:39):
is the question? Are you worried about Joe Burrow more
concerned with seventy thousand dollars a plate met galla red carpet,
Rather he was.

Speaker 4 (01:27:47):
Here working on timing with his receivers. You think it
might be more useful, but it's only May, right. Maybe
that's why they start off losing all their games and
they'll be here tomorrow, relied. Are you sure he's gonna
be here exact?

Speaker 12 (01:28:00):
Taylor came out and said that they're going to do
some things at the beginning of the season, in the
off season and training camp to get a little bit
faster start was good.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
That's gonna happen? Is that gonna happen?

Speaker 5 (01:28:11):
Zach?

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
I trust he's gonna get it done. How many OTAs
did Peyton Manning mess with the Colts? Zero sig your reaction?

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
Will he the stooge reporters of prop service over your
local tame Star heating and air conditioning dealers tame Star quality.
You could feel a beautiful northern Kentucky call any weather
heating air at eight five, nine seventy eight, one forty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:28:33):
He's still with that influence. Twenty three year old have
stayed with him in Anderson Township to provide influencing influencing services.
Oh whatever she did while the burglary's taking place, She's
in a part of the house and she's influencing, calling
her what was happening? Togat? She called her mom during
the mom the cops caught her. Moham caught her mom.

Speaker 12 (01:28:54):
Was a conversation, why somebody's breaking in or how do
I get myself out of here without being scene?

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
Or her Chileans the Chileans. Then they're on social media,
weren't Joe Burrows stuff? That's the best.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
They wanted to go to Orlando, but they were going
seventy five north outside.

Speaker 1 (01:29:13):
I want to go to Orlando, Orlando?

Speaker 5 (01:29:15):
What so you think the.

Speaker 12 (01:29:17):
State troopers says you're going the wrong way. So according
to the argum you sent me last night, I sent
it to you. Do you do you think that Bill
Belichick will not coach? I made you Sunday bet and
just give me give me your three premises behind.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
That number one? Yeah, Number one, the uh, the smoke
and the fire from this relationship with Jordan is of
such a character of the North Carolina. According to my
sources in Raleigh are saying in Chapel Hill, this is
not a good fit. This is a bad Number two
that he is not uh sho. I always say interacting

(01:29:52):
with the North Carolina faithful. This is may he's worrying.
He's gone a lot, has had two meetings with the teams,
no practices, and he doesn't know who the players are.
And he's not a North Carolina kind of a guy.
And number three, he can make ten million dollars a
year and Sammy's making North Carolina being a Fox Sports
analyst without all the problems, and so North Carolina is

(01:30:13):
reconsidering and they can get out for a million dollars
and by June first and pay him a million and
that's it. I think it's too late for them to
do that. I think they've got the whole program's done
right now. No, No, I think the guys stick with him.
What about his son? I think and look, and as
I told you last night, I see it the other way.

Speaker 12 (01:30:31):
I think he needs to stay and have success because
even with all what's going on with the girlfriend and
all that. I still believe he cares very much about
his legacy, and if he would step down now or
go back to the media now, his legacy.

Speaker 1 (01:30:45):
Absolutely would be ruined.

Speaker 12 (01:30:46):
But with all this so called turmoil, he goes and
coaches North Carolina and they win seven eight games this year,
and now all of a sudden, his legacy's back. And okay,
you know, okay, he had that thing, and he wins
some winning solved everything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
A year from now.

Speaker 12 (01:31:01):
He wants a bunch of games a year from now.
Everyone's kind of laughing about it. But hey, the guy
still gets it done, Jordan said. But the other there's
you can't and three and Jordan's on the sidelines giving him.
We got problems, now, we got issues. Yes, that's out
there in some crazy outfit, shaking her finger at people
and giving people to something.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
That's it. Don't use any sexual references on this show, please,
I'm just saying I beat you to it. That's correct.

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Red's update Willie and they have made the following transaction.
Here we go get ready placed on the injured listeners
infielder outfielder Tyler Callahan with that left forearm fracture, so
terrible Victor and.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
Dirty Harry Callahan with that's the same different.

Speaker 4 (01:31:48):
Right hand or Rett Louder has been sent out or
a rehab assignment to Arizona. I bet get him back
and then he's supposed to end up in Dayton and
then maybe back to the big leagues. The bats, when
you bring in some bats recalled out from Triple A, Louisville,
the home of the Bats, give me some runs, sag
outfielder Jacob heard of bees and right handed pitcher Lion
Richardson heard the bees.

Speaker 1 (01:32:09):
The bees, heard of bees, heard of bees, heard of
best likes.

Speaker 4 (01:32:13):
Not like Reds and Braves. Tonight at the game two,
Andrew Abbott v. Chris Sale coverage begins six oh five
with that guy Lance, is he for sale?

Speaker 1 (01:32:24):
Sports?

Speaker 4 (01:32:24):
Talking the Arnell Carriers inside pitch and then Kelsey Chevrolet
Extra inning show after the game?

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Is Chris Sale? The old Chris Sale or seat for sale?
He used to be unhittable like Randy Johnson one and
two or one and three. This year he's hit.

Speaker 12 (01:32:38):
Of course, the Reds won that one game twenty four
to two. Since then, he is space that runs out
a little bit. We can just average about six or
seven a game. Yeah, that would work maybe for the
most part. Better them winning half their games this year
was looking great. We look ago not good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Bengals up.

Speaker 4 (01:32:57):
They brought to you my good Spirits and Party Town,
a third team convenient locations in northern Kentucky. Face two
of the voluntary offseason workout program has begun. No Joe
Burrow at the workout today. Chase Higgins gets sicky on
the field. Bj Hill protective foot on his left foot.
Here we go, let's see Zach Moss did not work

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out because of his neck. Quarterback Jake the Snake Browning
and Logan wood Side.

Speaker 1 (01:33:24):
We're there now. Now the rookies are not there. They
come this weekend, right, rookie many? Can't Joe Burrow be
here from the met Galla red carpet this weekend? No,
it won't be.

Speaker 4 (01:33:33):
Geno Stone, the safety is going to take a pay cut.
What six point four million he was supposed to make
now it's four point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
How about he wants to be on the cover of
Vogue magazine? Can you see the Stone? No, Joe Burrow,
can you see him on the cover of Vogue? Would
Peyton Manning never be on the cover of Vogue. I
don't think so, but I could see Joe Burrow doing it.
If that should be.

Speaker 4 (01:33:55):
You want to be on the cover of Vogue, absolutely,
Look give the ladies a little bit of my shoulder.

Speaker 1 (01:33:59):
Watch what happens. Give him a little taste of action.

Speaker 12 (01:34:01):
Have you ever been on the cover of magazine? Yeah,
Cincinnati Magazines and magazine. It was a nice fluff piece
they did.

Speaker 1 (01:34:08):
It was a fluffy one. Remember that calendar we were in, Yes,
we did a calendar. I unfortunately saw that the ladies.
The one where you were in the wheelbarrow.

Speaker 4 (01:34:16):
That was that was That was Joe and that was Yeah,
Marty was in the wheelbarrow. It was the one where
you and WILLI were naked out in the cornfield. We
were in a cornfield caressing each other. Would you get
naked for each other?

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
What charity? Rock charity? Would you get naked for charity? Absolutely?
See about that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:35):
Kentucky Derby winners sovereignty will not run into Preakness stacks
and any chance of a triple crown for a seventh
consecutive year, said that, you know, there's not going to run.
He's going to run In the June seventh Belmont Stakes.
It's hard to imagine twenty eighteen was seven years ago.
That's when Justified won the Triple God as slow as

(01:34:58):
the years fly by. How about Kyle Smith. You know
Kyle Smith. I know we outfit Segon a regular basis.
But Kyle Smith's the NFL's first ever fashion editor and
he styles Joe Burrow. Got pictures of Joe and KYLDERGI jealous. Yes,
he's a graduate of California State Polytechnical University. Initially he
worked part time NFL Network dressing the host. Now he's

(01:35:21):
branched out to the players and he's taken on Joe
Burrow as a client to dress him to each their
own I guess get him on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
To get him on, I give him a come on.
By the way, Smith recently made Cultured Magazines Cult. He's
in the Cult one hundred list for shaping culture for
years to come. He met Joe Burrow at the past
Paris Fashion Show in twenty twenty four, where the QP
walked into Vogue World Show. So Joe Burrow's got a

(01:35:50):
fashion editor.

Speaker 12 (01:35:55):
What gooes? You want to have his own clothing line
or like, what is the goal? Are just just increased
the image and the I guess I get it, not.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
What I would do. But he was a hairstylist too well.
Last year he had his hair buzz and I got
a hairstylist sports clips down this tree, great clips seven
and he doesn't like when you go there, she says,
I look terrible to get the place across fifty bucks.

Speaker 4 (01:36:18):
Maybe you need that fashioned guy. I want to get
a fashion show and a haircut. When you had your show,
back to that in a second sake. When you were
when you were a TV show, did you have a
I addressed you. Yes, I did, Hickey Freeman, Hickey Freeman.

Speaker 1 (01:36:36):
So what were the choices like this suit or that suit?
I had twelve suits and twenty four shirts, and I
had twelve ties. And you want to tell that story
when they first kit you came to town and the
door knocked. Was it the lady setting up the shower
or something she wanted to I've heard the story telling.

Speaker 3 (01:36:56):
Shy.

Speaker 1 (01:36:56):
But they had to like they had to get like
this hose, and I had to look at So she
comes in and she's extremely attractive, I think, but what
I'm thirty years old. She's I'm here to give you
a tan and I said, okay, what do you mean
what we're talking about?

Speaker 10 (01:37:12):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
I'm in the event in a suite and there's a
large walking shower. She said, get in the shower and
I'm gonna color you. I'm going, well, what do you
mean we'll take your clothes off. I'm going, hey, take
is this part of the TV show? I said, really?
So uh it was a different TV show.

Speaker 4 (01:37:35):
So my white socks and my undy's on and I said, no,
wait a minute, there's nothing here.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
Their boxers. I always wear briefs the ladies with a
large package. So I stand there in this shower and
she gets out this device and I put my arms
carse you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:01):
Was everywhere, and I wait, like twenty minutes to if
you wait too long, I get too dark. And I'm
kind of a white skin kind of a guy. Yes, yeah,
So exactly twenty minutes, I took off my undease in
my She had left by this point in my socks
and I go and I take a shower, and I
looked like vanilla chocolate cookies. I was like chocolate.

Speaker 12 (01:38:22):
I do remember your you said a darker complex and
during what did uh? The people's judge said, I didn't
tell Penny. I didn't tell what's a good thing? She
told that story that I was.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
I said, I'm not taking my clothes off. I don't
think I was a newbie. I'm thinking, you know, I
got I'm going to Did she assist you ship all
the way down?

Speaker 9 (01:38:43):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:38:43):
What did that matter?

Speaker 10 (01:38:44):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
I said, it doesn't is literally your hands, your face,
your neck. It was somebody. I'm not going to show
any of my private parts. This isn't that kind of
a show. Sounds me a little something, I said Cashing East,
I had Hickey Freeman got like a turtle head with
a shell coming out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:01):
That's a different issue. But nonetheless, I thought, you know,
this is I didn't want to act as if I
was you know, I had to act like it was cool.
I couldn't say I feel like that was a test.

Speaker 7 (01:39:11):
It was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:12):
It was a test, and you you passed tested. I'm
not going to show her the goods. Just can't be
doing that. Maybe I got Sarah, elease, you're avoiding the
obvious issue. She could be my fashion East. I need
a haircut specialist too. From great clips. I can't are

(01:39:32):
you sure? Alright?

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Rock?

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
What's on the big right game?

Speaker 12 (01:39:39):
We got Jeremy Rosenthal on the Diddy Trial. Yes, sir,
he is armed. I mean he's got He's still worth
like a billion dollars. His legal team is very, very expensive.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
I got a text and Bob the Bricklayer, I'm on
the cover of Wrinkles Daily.

Speaker 12 (01:40:00):
We got doctor Jeane Kritsky, Oh cicadas, the bug guy.
They're coming out, Saint Joe, right, they're coming, Yes, when
are they come?

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Four pm?

Speaker 12 (01:40:08):
He's gonna tell us goody. And then we have Dan Sturmer,
Associate professor. You see at five o'clock on the zombie volcano.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
I'm ready to erupt in zombies.

Speaker 12 (01:40:20):
There's a there's a volcano, hadn't rupted and turn fifty
thousand years, but there's conserativity activity.

Speaker 1 (01:40:26):
Nothing but issues, se.

Speaker 4 (01:40:28):
Man, give me out as soon as that was a
right at King's Island, a zombie volcano.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Haven't haven't been there in a while, been there a
long time, but we got issues. We got Jordan, We
got Joe Burrow on the red carpet with a fashionista
and a hair specially.

Speaker 12 (01:40:44):
Say, once you get, once you get Sarah least to
personally address you in the morning, look like you upgrade
your act a little bit here.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
I think she ensure that you might as well. What
she walked into said, sake, take your clothes off, Willie
and Hotter of uh, what is today?

Speaker 4 (01:40:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
What we do.

Speaker 1 (01:41:03):
In honor of National Nurses Day? We need one around here. Defense.
We leave you with the immortal words of the stew
the whole Town's battie about Cincinnati. What a team?

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
What a team?

Speaker 1 (01:41:16):
What a team? How about scoring some runs? Tonight on
news radio seven hundred w l W