25W: The Celtics Go Down in Flames + Logan Ryan In Studio & Talks About Meeting Tom Brady for the First Time, His Crazy Recruiting Story and being a rookie in the NFL + MJ or Pippen: By the Numbers

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is a podcast call twenty five Whists, Stop your
Playoffs and the Awaro whizz. So, yeah, it's too bad,
but what did you expect. It's a podcast called twenty
five Whistles twenty wine. Yeah, let's get the shows arre
all right? Coming up a little later on NFL Cornerback

(00:24):
Safety defensive Back, logan Ryan pretty Cool came to the studio,
sat for almost an hour where we talk about high
school recruiting his dad make him making a play offensive
line back in the early days, just so he knew
what it was like, getting drafted by Bill Belichick, the
Super Bowl rings, getting Tom Brady to sign something, all
that coming up in a little bit. You can follow

(00:46):
Logan on Twitter at Real Logan Ryan. I don't want
to pass off that too quickly. We'll come back to it,
but we got to get right to it, Kevin, let's
do this before we get sad. I want to get
happy being a Celtics fan. Game six tagged me through
it because wow, what up then and down then up.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yeah, it's been a while since I felt like that
as a fan. And it went from the ultimate low
to the ultimate high in a matter of what point
two point four seconds? And I haven't. I mean, I
was talking about it a couple of days ago that
it compares to the whole Malcolm Butler, not necessarily because
Butler actually won Super Bowl, so that's different. But from
being dang, we're gonna lose this, our season's over. Is

(01:27):
like marsh score touchdown here, Yeah, this is it. You know,
the Falcons being up twenty five a half. Man, We're
gonna lose this game. But I mean, snap of a finger,
everything changes and you're freaking out and you're jumping up
and down and you're screaming and you're enjoying it. But
then you got to remind yourself the next day, you like,
dam we gotta win another one.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Whenever they watched back on the jumbo Tron because both
teams were watching it right after it happened, and you
see that the ball was out of his hands with
point one seconds left and Celtics went crazy. That was
an awesome thing to see.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Yeah, like, ah, so cool it was. It was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
It was so cool, and you know what, they're for
sure gonna win Game seven because Game seven is back
in Boston. And then when I started to read things
like Miami, they didn't even book a flight back to
Miami after the game. They booked a flight to Denver.
Didn't even book a flight back to Florida. No, no, no,
They've already booked a flight after Game seven to go
to Denver to get ready for the Nuggets in Boston.

(02:21):
Game seven. You gotta feel good before the game starts,
at least, right, absolutely right?

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yeah? Better? But I will say, like I wasn't totally
confident yet.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
They're an eight point favorite. I know.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That's how it was all serious except for one game.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Though, an eight point favorite. So it starts and Tatum
goes down first play, and that set the tone for them.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Not saying that's why they lost. Obviously they still should
have won. Jaden Brown is a whole different subject, but yeah,
first play kind of set the tone, and you could
tell kind of deflated their team a little bit, a
little energy. The crowd was still into it.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Tatum also had I know, fourteen points, eleven rebounds. Eleven
rebounds was big because he did have to change what
he was was. Then you want him scoring, you want
to be in that guy. He wasn't able to be
that guy, but he did turn into a guy that
was playing a bit of a different game. You just
need to Brown, You just need some of those other
guys to step up scoring wise.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Do you feel like that was like that? Was it
that when you need when browns your leading score? Yeah,
And our offense was just so like stagnant. It's just
we're just sitting around there jacking up three. Jalen Brown
would come down, drib the ball three times and jack
up a three from thirty five feet out.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
There's no movement. They ran some zone that gave him trouble.
But it's like start penetrating the zone, getting in there
a little bit, then kick it out maybe and try
to jack up a three. But I think they show
what twenty percent from three, So it was awful.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Wes Spaulstraw, he will throw a zone on you for
like three possessions and right when you're starting to go okay,
we'll boom, he's back in man, Like he switched his
defense as quick. I was trying to think about x
Spolstra where it's just kind of his his story of
he went overseas to work on some basketball team and
like I don't remember the country what was called Algeria,
but wanted to get back in here at the States,

(04:02):
and so you know the old story about him going
to the tape room in Miami, that's what he did.
They wanted to build up it so he has what
he did. He sorted logging tapes, quickly moved his way up.
Freaking pat Riley retired. Spoilsh is like eleven, he gets
the head coaching job. I remember when he got that job too.
It's like it's basically Lebron's team.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
He does not do much.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
And I felt the same way.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
I didn't think he was any good. I was like,
he's probably whatever, and then here we are a decade later,
I'm like, Okay, yeah, he's pretty damn good.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah. Tatum forty two minutes, fourteen points, eleven rebounds, four assists.
Brown forty three minutes, nineteen points, eight rebounds, five assists.
But Tatum still played basically the whole game.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, and Jalen I think I had seven turnovers.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Not good. Really, Yeah, I can't even dri Derek White
thirty six minutes, eighteen points, he wrote from last game
the key stats from the Heat. Butler twenty eight points,
seven rebounds, six assists, three steals. But I tell you,
Kayla Martin, I'd never seen him play like that before.
I mean he just took over third quarter, first half

(04:57):
of the fourth quarter. He took it over until no
one needed to take it over anymore. They just needed
to play even Yeah, he was amazing. I got on
DraftKings and I was like, oh, you know what, because
the Celtics were down about eight, and I said, let
me go look at the line because I felt like
Celtics gonna make this close, and so I thought, if
it's not too much. It was the Heat minus four
and a half. And I was like, no way, I'm
touching that. No way I'm gonna bet that because I

(05:20):
don't think the Heat win the game by four points.
If they do, it'd be one or two. So I
stayed off of it, like idiot. Of course, so I
pick wrong all the time when it comes to the NBA.
I don't remember the final score. I remember one point.
It was twenty points.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yeah, I think it was nineteen. It was I turned
it off, you did, oh yeah, three minutes left they
were done by twenty. I was like, yep, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Well. If I would have done that, I would have
turned it off, but I'd check on my phone anymore. Oh,
I just to make just to make sure I wasn't
missing it.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Great come back, but then do you turn it back
on if they do come back?

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Oh yeah, okay, I sure do. Yeah. Martin had twenty
six points, ten rebounds, three assists. Band played forty three
minutes twelve points, ten rebounds, seven assists. I'm sorry, man, Yeah,
I didn't think that if it went seven and back
to Boston and that Miami would win. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I don't think anybody did.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
They tried to hand Jimmy Butler the trophy for the
Eastern Conference. Is that the bird trophy? Or is the
other one the Lair bird Trophy? Yeah, it's a it's
a bird one bird. And he was like, I want
touch that, I want touch the other. I'll touch the
later one. We get it.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, you think Kaylen Martin should have won it the MVP. Yeah, no,
he was so good, all serious.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
He was, but he was so good in that, Yes
he was really good, but that nobody expected him to
be good, so he seemed to even better. Good point,
and you know, Butler consistently was really good. It had
to be. It had to be Jimmy Butler, and that
they kept showing the club of last year. When he

(06:43):
missed the three at end of the game, and he's
like something i'll paraphrase, all right, we'll be bigger and
better next year, the same spot. We're gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, that crazy.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
It's crazy, and the heroics of Jimmy Butler may be
lost if they don't win the title. If they win
the title, Jimmy Butler has elevated himself inside the consciousness
of even middle NBA fans. If you're just a casual
NBA fan, you're just starting to learn who Jimmy Butler is.

(07:13):
If you're a diehard, you've known. But if he wins
the title, like he goes up there, to people who
don't even follow basketball that much, we'll start to know
who Jimmy Butler is. But it's like Jokic too, right,
I think there are a lot of people that are
discovering how good he is now. Yeah, even after he
wont t too MVPs, because difference doesn't get If I don't
have Basketball Sunday ticket, I wouldn't be able to watch

(07:34):
his games for the most part.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I think even me as a basketball fan, I've
watched more Yokic than the playoffs and have probably the
last three years.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
And again unless you had the package the NBA what's
it called league Pass? Thank you God dang. And I
watched probably most of his games this season, not most,
but most of the games that I watched from him
were whenever the MBID the Jokic race was heating up,
and it was he was the leader for the MVP

(08:02):
and people were fighting for embeid, and so I was like,
let me just watch more Yokice. I was just like,
this is crazy, Like he's just toying like a cat,
toying with Mount Mice whatever way you wanted to. Yeah,
so I'm sorry I started Celtics, didnt went for you.
I was rooting for him, for you.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I know, I appreciate that. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
There is something something to say for you, though, in
the death of your Celtics again, is that you don't
really know a lot of defeat and you still don't.
You lost games ever of these comments finals, I don't
feel sorry for you. Just turn this crap off. I
don't feel sorry for you. You have teams that win
all the time, so screw it. I don't feel sorry
for you. But your losses are almost winning the championships.

(08:42):
My losses are finishing next to last in the SEC West,
or winning seventy games out of one hundred and sixty
two as a Cubs fan, or so, I ain't doing it.
You've won plenty of titles with the Patriots, the Celtics
have been awesome in your lifetime. The obviously the you're
Beer Bruins fan, right, yeah, not a huge one, but yeah,

(09:04):
yeah fan enough. Yeah, I mean the Red Sox, Yeah, Reds.
Don't e get me started on the Red Sox. I
know now it's on the baseball you know what. I'm
glad you lost, now that I think about it. All right,
well we hit that first. Let's go to the tittle
tattle stupid his name ever kissed the tittle tattle Let's.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Well, last night wasn't one of them. But what is
your most memorable Game seven of any sport?

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Ooh, that's a good question. Now, I mentioned the Cubs earlier.
I went to Game two of this World Series. I
believe it was twenty sixteen, and what the game two
or three? All I know is we got crushed. The
Cubs had been in world won World Series. It's nineteen
o eight. It was such a friendly, yet uncomfortably packed environment.

(09:55):
It was awesome. We got what by the Indians, Game two,
Game three, Game four, Game five, Game six, We're going
to Game seven, baby, and I'm like, oh my god,
it's the same night as a CMAS. And it was
the first or second time they had ever asked me
to come on the show and present on the CMAS.
So you're talking about I'd only been in Nashville for
a couple of years twenty sixteen, right, yeah, and now

(10:15):
they're invited me to come be a presenter on the CMAS.
And I didn't do it because I wanted to stay
home and watch Game seven. Love it a team that
I had just spent hours and hours and days and
days and years and years following religiously, and they won
the World Series. It was awesome. And if I remember correctly,
it was the one that was delayed because it rained.

(10:38):
It kept getting delayed, and that could be that could
have been Game six. Things are fuzzy at this point,
but I almost felt like that was Game seven. And
I passed up an opportunity to present on network television
for the first time, a really big cool thing to
watch the Cubs win Game seven, and it was freaking fantastic.
What are you seeing over there.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Seated at a tenth inning okay, seventeen minute rain delay? Yeah,
and oh that's right, and yes.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
It's awesome. That's what that's my answer. That was good.
You know, that's the only one I'm gonna go with.
I'm good on that one.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Next question, okay, next one is where does Derek White's will?
Not it's not as big because they lost, but where
does his shot?

Speaker 1 (11:15):
That's true. Do you know how much of a hero
he would have been had they won the title this year?
And think about that, he also lost out on a lot,
not just the series, but if they'd won the title,
that putback would have made him like Boston Royalty.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, like the Larry Birds sealing the ball and giving
it to Halichik.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I believe that. Yeah, I know the play. I don't
know who he gave it to. I don't know if
it's Halichick. I don't think it. I think Halichick black
and white time, But I don't want to say, because
you're a Boston fan, I think Halichack' Like Wizard of Oz.
First part of Wizard of Oz was black and white.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Can we cut this out?

Speaker 1 (11:51):
So the question is game winning shots the Kawhi shot
like seven and six ers that that was the like
Eastern Conference Finals though from the court like the top,
like almost a corner. That is a crazy shot. And
I remember just watching the people in Toronto who are
watching it on that screen outside of the arena. It

(12:11):
just erupting. That was a pretty good last second shot.
I mean, you can go Michael Jordan game six versus
the Jazz, which, by the way, I was in Utah
and we went by the arena there and my friend
who's one of the coaches the Utah softball team, he
was like, that's there is the arena. Jordan got sick
flu game?

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Oh really this last weekend?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah? Yeah, so that that was one too, So I
would put I still put Kawhi that There's just it.
I mean the poster of that shot wasn't even shooting.
It was him on the ground. He's like squatting, He's
like down. Yeah, it's crazy, all right.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Next with referee Eric Lewis of the NBA is under
investigation for potentially having a burner account on Twitter. So
I want to know what's your opinion on burner accounts?
Have you ever had one?

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Well, this story is not as controversial as you think
it would be. Referees are not allowed to be on
social media as themselves, obviously there's some rules against it.
He's not giving away secrets. He literally was defending himself
and defending other referees and posting stats to go, you're
an idiot. This is what's really happening. If he's breaking
the rule, he's breaking the rule, and he should be

(13:14):
punished or fined or whatever the rule is. However, it's
not like he's letting people know any sort of secret
or tipping games or being affected that's affecting his job
as a referee. I didn't see any of that.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Did you No? No, you no.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Now, the difference is in the Colangelo when he was
running the seventy six ers and he was talking crap
about the team, and he's talking about crap about Embiid
and he's talking about from Twitter from burner accounts like
he's the general manager talking crap about players. That's different.
So me having a Burner account, Yes, but I can
never remember the log in. I'm gonna be honest with you.

(13:51):
I can never remember the logins. And I've set up
a couple and I'm so afraid of Kevin Duranton myself
where he thinks he's on a burner account and he's not,
and he's on his own and he's like, oh crap,
and then you by the time you delete it, someone's
already screenshoted it. So not a big burner account guy.
I would like to be, would would love it, would

(14:12):
love to just be firing shots of people. I just
I'm so in my head about posting and it's under
my name and now a burner account's name, So no,
I don't do it. I would like to do more
of it. I'm interested in growing in that part of
my life, but I'm not that learning more. All right,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Last one, we saw a major comeback with Boston being
down three forcing in Game seven. What's the hardest thing
you've ever had to overcome professionally?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
Good question, Probably the million dollar fine by the FCC.
The FCC won't let me be so let me be
me on the bitty Uh. That's a tough one. No,
that's not gonna be the toughest. I guess suspend it
for that one. That was one where we kept doing
the show and we're just waiting for the fine. Then
when the fine came down in the million bucks. I
just kind of looked in my email. Okay, I'm still

(14:57):
doing the show. I'll just keep going. Probably when Lunchbox
went and robbed the store, he didn't rob the store.
I sent him to buy some gum with pantihos on
his head. A stupid bit. I'm not acting like it
was a good bit. We were like fourteenth Place too,
by the way, and he goes and he does the thing,

(15:20):
and they held him a gun point. They put him
in jail. They tried to arrest me. Then they were like, well,
we can't really arrest you didn't do anything, And I'm
like I know. Then they suspend all of us for
like two and a half weeks. I think I'm done.
I'm an idiot kid who was twenty three. Probably I
was like in magazines like hot Shot, like Phenom Radio personality,

(15:42):
does all boom suspend it. I was like, man, nobody
gives a crap about that phemale and stuff. If I'm fired,
I may never be in this. Came back on the air, apologized,
went to number one, never looked back for ten years.
Like it was hard. That was hard for that two
and a half weeks. Really hard to get back. So
that was a really hard one to kind of get

(16:04):
my feet back underneath me and feel confident and secure
in my job. But man, once we had number one,
it was on. We would never look back. And the
other thing was probably not knowing how to dance on
Dancing with the Stars, having no clue at all ever, ever,
even till the end. So overcome, it was week to
week overcoming how this week I was gonna find a
way to win, just this week and not going to

(16:25):
be the best, but just survive, just survive, just keep surviving,
just keep surviving, Just keep surviving. And then all right,
we made to the finals. Let's freaking go. So that
that was a tough one too. But I'm sorry. I'm
sorry your team lost.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Man, gosh, I almost forgot vers. I'm sorry your team lost.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
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(17:00):
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Stupid names the tittle tattle, all right. Interview time. Two
times Super Bowl champion Logan Ryan. He came to the studio,

(17:23):
got to sit down in person talk about his life
and his career, going from a three star to a
four star recruit. What a freaking story. Yep, Wow, your
life changes like that and you didn't do anything. He
was like, just like that, playing quarterback in high school
but only getting recruit as an athlete, picking off Tom
Brady's final passes Patriot. Just it's great. Listen to it.

(17:46):
I don't want to waste your time, so we'll get
to it. You can follow Logan on Instagram at Logan Ryan.
Here he is Logan Ryan Logan. Where do you live? Like?
What town I live in? Currently in Tampa, Florida. So
what's up in Nashville, Like, we're lucky to have, first
of all, super pumped you're here. Yeah, but like what's here?
You're here? Yeah, that's true. I can agree with that.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I was hosting Good Morning Football
last week and had a lot of fun doing that
and got some good, good feedback, and my publicist was
kind of working the phones a little bit and opportunity
coming to your podcast, which was awesome. And I used
to live here, so I lived here for three four years.
My content guys out here. I got a lot of

(18:30):
friends on the Titans. So I'm here knocking out some media.
I did hosted with Jonathan Hutton last yesterday on out Kick.
So I'm doing some more media while my name is
hot and hanging out with you.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Is that the goal? Because I know you probably want
to you a free agent. Yeah, you're waiting for the
call or you like, screw the call I'm getting. I'm
doing media because it's awesome either or.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
You know, I'm still training six days a week, but
I'm taking advantage of the opportunities. And I've always you know,
when I was at Tennessee Titans, I hosted The Logan
Ryan Show, where I hosted a radio show for two
three years. The show in New York hosted the NFL
Player Podcast. I've always been like the speech before the
locker room guy.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
Were you always that guy in high school too? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I was a quarterback growing up, like and uh, growing
up my whole life. I was a point guard. I
was a quarterback. I was a pitcher, so I always
had the ball in my hands. I was always a
guy to inspire. I know, you know how a lot
of guys say, well, you know, I kind of lead
by my actions, not.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I like I do both. Yeah, I felt that, Yeah,
I lead by my words. At what age did you
start to be because let's see, like in ninth grade,
I'm not the athlete or I'm not comparing that, but
I'm just going to tell you my story. In ninth grade,
I got to move out play with Senior high team
ten eleven twelfth graders, but I didn't say anything because
I'm the freaking ninth grader and I didn't play as
a ninth grader. Yeah, when did you start playing? And
when could you actually be a vocal leader in high school?

(19:45):
Because I'm imagining that you were far more athletic than
the other kids your age. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
So when I got to high school, I started varsity
basketball as a freshman, but I was on the freshman
football team, so I led my little, you know, freshman
teammates on the freshman games, but I wasn't on varsity
and in basketball, I kind of was the point guard.
But I mean, these kids, my brother was four years
older than My brother was a senior and I was
a freshman, and I was playing with his friends, and

(20:11):
I felt really little compared to them, Like I was
like I didn't have a voice.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
I just ran the place. You were playing as like
a fourteen year old. Fifteen years old with eighteen year olds. Yeah,
that's it. You were. You as good as some of them.
I was definitely good enough to be on the court,
for sure. I wasn't.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
I wasn't the best player at fourteen on our team. Yeah,
I knew that. But by you know, my sophomore junior year, Yeah, definitely,
so I kind of grew into it. I would say,
once that ball got in my hands and I realized
what we needed to win, and I wasn't afraid to
step up and demand that because I always wanted you know,
to win more than anything else.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I was watching The Redeemed Team on Netflix. I don't
know if you've seen it yet. It's about it's been
out for about a year, but you know, the US
Olympic basketball team got a bronze and they were embarrassed
and they had to somehow get a new coach, get
the players to commit in because to a lot of
those guys, I would get that, being twenty two and
rich and you just got and now they want you
to go train for months, and I would get why
some of them wouldn't want to do that. I watched that.

(21:06):
I loved it. Oh wasn't it awesome? Yeah? Man, I
got a Kobe tattoo on me.

Speaker 3 (21:10):
They had to bring Kobe in that, you know, they
had to bring Kobe in it to really win that.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
And that was my point about leadership. And I always
understood and respect to Kobe because in my mind's probably
the third greatest player of all time, top three for sure.
And the fact that the guys were, like we were
in Vegas. We went to the club, we did what
we put in Kobe's their gloves on going to the
gym when they're coming in and all those guys slowly

(21:35):
started to do what Kobe was doing because he was
doing it and he was that leader. Yeah. So you
say you were vocal and by example, were you like
first one in, last one out type guy.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Yeah, I kind of picked up that because I was
never I was always like one of the best athletes,
but there was always like a more physical freak on
the team. Like I wasn't like raw out of bed
better than everybody. I was like more skilled because I
worked on it. And I remember my mom would pick
me up in high school every day after work. My
mom worked at nine to five, nine to four thirty,
and she would pick me up at like five o'clock

(22:10):
five pm, and we would get out of high school
at like two two thirty. So in football season, obviously
had practice and my mom would pick me up. But
out of football basketball season, the spring, I had two
and a half hours to kill. You know, I wasn't
taking a bus home, so I was just literally every
day Monday through Friday in the weight room, five days
a week, lifting for an hour or two, going out

(22:31):
to the field doing just drills that I made up.
And then eventually more people came out there and I
would put a ladder drills down to a drill to drills.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
And I was like pretty much donning the drills.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Yeah, so I was pretty much coming out with drills
that I would see on I mean, shoot, don't even
know if YouTube was out back then, but whatever I was,
I was just finding drills and doing them and doing this,
and that was kind of leadership, right, Like I'm doing
these these off season workouts, but I just was like
waiting for my mom to pick me up.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Did you have a good relationship with the coaches? Because
it sounds like you love the game games we can
say games, and you also weren't afraid to put work in.
Were you the guy that they would lean on high
school and college to go all right? You got to
be the voice to those guys, be my voice to them, right, Yeah?

Speaker 3 (23:13):
I think so, Especially playing the quarterback position and stuff.
I just think there's certain positions in sports where you
expect the leader there and I kind of was that.
So I think it happened naturally mainly because of the
position I played. But I do remember like my junior sophomore,
junior year when I kind of was stepping in the
role as varsity quarterback and stuff. I was not great
at pregame speeches, Like I didn't want to talk and

(23:34):
I felt like a senior should talk, you know, before
the game. Like I was silent, and I would always
get really nervous before games. Still do, Like I always
get like a little bit nervous and tense, and I
just was really really quiet. And I feel like that
developed more in the NFL in college of having the
you know, taking public speaking classes and whatnot, just having
the confidence to go up in front of a room
of one hundred people and motivate them without feeling like,

(23:58):
you know, a clown or say something dumb or mess
it up, you know, be laughed at. And I just
think that came in older like giving actual the speech,
but actually just on the field, Yeah, when I'm playing
in between the lines, you had a leadership always came out.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Were you super educated on what was happening every game?
Put the time in the film room? Always? Was that
a priority? Or did you have to learn how to
did that later? I learned how to. I learned how
to do that later.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
But growing up, my dad coached me when I was little,
uh maybe up till I don't know, ten eleven years old,
and every year, Like I said, I played, I played
offense and I played defense, so I didn't come off
the field. And I swear every year he made me
change positions. He's like, all right, well, last year receiver,
this year gonna play run out to learn. Yeah, and
then this year're gonna do this. And then we had

(24:42):
a really good team in like eighth grade, and we
went in literally we went like unscored upon, Like we
beat everybody thirty five to nothing and didn't give up
a point the entire season. And on that team, we
had like three NFL players in like six Division one
wrestlers out of like eleven starters.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Like none of us went to college for sports. So
it was a really good team.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
But in the second half, my dad would make all
the skill players play O line and get the old
lineman the ball so that.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
You know, we would block for them. Yeah, you know,
and I just felt like why are we doing this?

Speaker 3 (25:13):
You know, But like I love my old lineman, you know,
I always treat them well, and I understood what it
was like to block. I played tight end, I played receiver,
I played running back, I played quarterback, I played corner,
I played safety, and really in the NFL really helped
my versatility because I learned the game from so many
different angles and even when I played defense in the NFL.
I think but from like a reverse quarterback perspective, like, Okay,

(25:34):
what is he reading? He's probably gonna throw this because
I'm showing him that.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
It's like you're reverse engineering. Yeah what exactly you think
is about to happen? Yeah? Dang. So when you were
in high school you play quarterback? Did you were you
recruited as a quarterback?

Speaker 3 (25:46):
So that was back before they wanted like, you know,
six foot black quarterbacks running around the NFL, Like that's
not the just the norm.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Now, did you feel like because you were six foot
black quarterback that was actually held against you? Well, they're
going to recruit you as an athlete.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
So happens is like everybody like, like I would say,
half of you know, college football players probably played quarterback
when they were growing up because they're the best player
and they want the ball in their hands. But back then,
they was say you're going to be a receiver, or
you're gonna be a corner, or you're gonna be a safety.
So I knew like looking ahead, like yeah, IM probably
gonna end up being a corner and I played corner
as well, and I was ranked pretty high in New

(26:21):
Jersey for it, so I kind of knew already what
it was, but they did. You just didn't have the
opportunities division one to be like, oh, you're five eleven
and a half and you know you're a great athlete.
We're gonna make you play a different position, like quarterback
is for these type of guys. Six foot four, white,
two hundred and twenty five pound guys.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
But now the NFL, as you see, has caught up
and Bryce Young, Yeah, Bryce Young is Kyler Murray's five nine, No,
these dudes. I I remember hosting the draft in Nashville
when they had the draft in Nashville a couple of
years ago, and I was actually working in media and
I was on the red carpet hosting these guys, and
I'm like, Quinn Williams, lift the mic up and DJ

(27:03):
DK Metcalf lift the mic way up, and like Kyler
Murray put the mic Like I'm like, this guy is little, I.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Mean little hands, little arms.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, but he's specially in his skill set and he
had to They never made him switch positions, but a
lot of a lot of us.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
They They were like, I don't know if you're gonna
go to Division one and play What star were you recruit?
I was a four star recruit, and what is life
like as a four star recruit? Gotta be pretty yoah man,
it was. I mean, it's gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
So I was really a three star coming out and
for most of it, and then I think the ranking guy,
Rivals ranking guy comes to check out one of my
games my senior year, and I was already committed to Rutgers,
so I like had twenty five scholars.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
And later safety or what at the time, were you
going to Rutgers to do? What? Though? I was going
to Rutgers to play corner.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
Okay, I was a number one corner in Stay in
New Jersey, and I was like one of the better quarterbacks,
but I was a number one at that position. Got
him and I was a three star committed to Rutgers
verbally and all that stuff. And then we play We
play an opening game and he comes to see our
game play and I get a pick six, like on
the first possession of the game and literally reverse engineering.

(28:10):
The coach told me, if you see the quarterback roll out,
you know it's going to be a hitch a rout
in front of you, a route behind you. Just bait
the route behind you, and any time they roll out
there on the same play. So the first play the game,
I see the rollout, I see the route behind me.
I act like I'm going to go get the route
behind me, and I just bait him. He throws around
in front of me eighty yard pick six to start
my senior year. And that night I got a four

(28:30):
star right being four star. So what happens Notre Dame
calls me, Miami calls me, Penn State.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Calls from that that one star.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Oh, now he's this level of recruit and they're like, oh,
you don't want to go to Rutgers, come here, come there.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
It's crazy that it wasn't some tape that it wasn't
like a library of tape on you that changed their mind.
It was literally a recruiting service. One guy who saw
one game.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
Yeah and wow, and new colleges come. It's lazy. Recruiting
is lazy. What happens is a lot of states out
of state teams like Alabama is not going to come
to New Jersey unless one you're offered by your new
Jersey school.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
So they're gonna let Rutgers do the work.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Once Rutgers does the work, all the other big Eiet
schools at the time, right, it was West Virginia, it
was whatever, They're like, Okay, this guy. Obviously Rutgers identified them.
So now your conference is going to start recruiting you,
and they start offering you. And then once your whole
conference offers you, and then you get that fourth star,
then you become a national recruit. Now coaches are jetting
to your field, your high school and landing on the

(29:28):
thing and trying to and that's why you see guys
flip recruitment. So I mean, now they're getting paid, but
they flip recruitment so much because one thing changed. Who
came that was cool, I would say, Greg Gianno, when
Rutgers recruited me, they put out all the stops. He
landed a helicopter on a local hospital, and so he
flew a helicopter in to see me. I think Iowa

(29:52):
was super dope. Michigan State was cool. But Rutgers. I
mean they sent people to my grandmother's funeral. My grandmother
passed away. They had people at the fun in a
role they were work, They had a Bible in front
of my mom. They won a whole different angle at
my dad. I mean they were they were pulling every
stop like to to get me to stay.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I feel like if I was on a jury or
if I was being recruited, I just flip all the time.
I'd be like, Oh, that's great, I'm here. Oh that's great. Guilty,
Oh no, not guilty Michigan State. I feel like I'll
be doing that like crazy because I'm sure everybody's giving
you their best effort. They're showing you that. Like you know,
Chris Rock talks about dating somebody knew and he's like,
you know, you don't really meet me, you meet my
representative when you you know, it's the early version, but

(30:28):
it's the best version of the school in every way.
Like aren't they all just awesome? When you do that?

Speaker 3 (30:32):
They they like really recruit your parents. I came from
a two parent background, super solid. My dad was a cop,
was a cop. My mom worked, like I said, a
nine to five, So they really had my parents on lock.
But looking back at I'm like, man, I should have
took that official visit to Hawaii. That's a great flight,
great trip, should have went out there. Maybe I should
have took that NLV. That would have been a fun,
little vague we.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Should do on an official visit, like you Land. Yeah,
just a brief discris. I have no idea. You Land,
then what what happens? Who's who's there? What's the daylight?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
So you Land, you'll be red carpeted, black car, picked up,
go to the school, all the coaches will be there, excited, balloons,
catered food. And then New York Rutgers. This whole pitch was,
we're gonna send you to New York. So you take
the train. In New York, they rent it out like
a Dave in Busters and like Times Square. So you're
in Times Square, You're like, gotta reunt it out David Busters.

(31:23):
You're playing games. They're talking like, yeah, you're gonna like
we have these mccordy twins and they're all right, but
you're gonna come in and you're gonna play over them
and the like all this. But I knew they were
on their way out. I was gonna fill in the
next shoes. But they're like, yeah, they're okay. But Jason McCarty,
this guy, I mean, you can't even get an interception.
Look at me here, you had six interceptions last year.
We need you, right, So they tell you what you

(31:44):
want to hear. And then we got back on the
train of Rutgers and the coaches leave, and then you're
paired with a player.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
So I didn't have the mccordy twins I had.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I had a kid that was actually on my little
league team that I told you about that we like
went undefeated or whatever. So I knew him since we
were kids. So he kind of hosted me, and that's
your host, and they gave me by why they gave
you him right, right, because we knew each other. So
then so then I got one of my best friends
already there and he's like whatever. And then they gave
your host like a hundred bucks and he's supposed to
take you to a party and take you and he

(32:13):
was like, look, man, I'm keeping fifty of these bucks,
like you got fifty you know. So and then you know,
they try to show you girls and try to give
you a good night and then but the worst part
is when you're when you're a host, you have practice
the next day. I'm like, I'm not partying with this
freaking sixty year old kid, seventeen year old kid all
night and I gotta wake up at seven am and

(32:33):
run sprints like I kept that hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I bet some people do though. I bet they go
hard and then go to I mean it's just so Yeah,
when you're younger, you can do it. Yeah, so you
when you get to Rutgers. Is the speed of the
game so much different going high school to college or
college to the pros? When does it adjust so much
that you're like, okay, hold on, let me get you straight.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
I think the speed of the game because everyone comes
from different high school. You come from from country school
where I mean you got eight on eight football whatever
in the middle of Nevada or something. But I think
the speed of the game is a bigger difference. I
think the coaching was a bigger difference for me because
Greg Sean was such a tough coach for me, and
I wasn't used to getting yelled at or just like
negativity shouting my way or getting cussed at like I

(33:16):
wasn't used to.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I'm like, whoa, this is kind of hard environment for
to thrive in.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
So I think that was the biggest shock for me,
the speed and just the coaching, because as soon as
you commit and day one practice stars, all that recruitings
out the window, like now I own, and it really
felt like military. I feel like like a military academy.
It was that strict in discipline at Rutgers with him,
and you know, well, then I went to the NFL.

(33:40):
I came from that academy mindset, so like the discipline
was there, no one could do anything I haven't done already,
like I've been through tougher workout. So now now it's
all about execution and just skill, like we need you
here at your job to do it and use way more.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
It's way more efficient. The first time you go to
a college practice and it's actually full pads, what does
that feel like?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Oh my, I have so many stories man, the first
college practice. So practice is based on what they call periods,
and they blow the whistle in a period five minutes.
So a practice could be I don't want to stay
here and get butchered on math. But a practice could
be twenty periods you do the math, or fifteen periods
or twelve or twenty four whatever, two hour practice whatever.

(34:23):
Our first practice was thirty six periods. It was like
over three hours It was in middle of July in
New Jersey.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
It was really hot and human on the field. I
had brand new cleats.

Speaker 3 (34:33):
When I was getting blisters, they made everyone tape your
ankles mandatory have to tape. I never taped my ankles before,
so my ankles were stiff, my cleat's hurt. And then
Giano had a rule you weren't allowed to take your
helmet off at any point in the practice, so I
couldn't even take my helmet off to get water. So
I had to get water through my helmet. And I
just was so just equipment, uncomfortable, not used to practicing

(34:53):
that long. It just was all like all the little
things I guess that you're just supposed to ignore that
I got don't even bother me. Now they all bother
me so much. Like at first, it was a huge adjustment.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
When you're eighteen, you're hitting twenty two to twenty three
year old dudes. I assume that's physically a lot more
taxing on you than seventeen hit and eighteen, you know
high school like it's young, it's an older kid versus men.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Yeah, yeah, Now it's a big jump. It's hard. If
you see guys that come in to college true freshmen
and dominate like that. That's tough because the physical aspect,
like these guys in college, you're lifting and running your
butt off like you are working. They're where ye had
nothing else to do. They're owning you. They work you.
So I came in one hundred and seventy five pounds.
I red shirted, so I was a number one corner
in the state, a four star going to Rutgers. That

(35:38):
wasn't the greatest school in that recruited me. So I'm
supposed to come in and be a savior type of thing,
replace the mccordy twins. And I red shirted like I
got crushed by all expectation pressure. And I came in
one hundred and seventy five pounds, and I was one
hundred and ninety five pounds in less than a year.
I put on twenty pounds of muscle. I couldn't even
dunk a basketball anymore because you had put on so much,

(35:59):
so much weight. I wasn't used to carrying that weight.
I'm one hundred and ninety four pounds at thirty two
years old. So in the last whatever fourteen to fifteen years,
I didn't gain one pounds, right, I just but I
put on twenty pounds in one year of muscle. I'm
squatting four hundred and fifty pounds. I'm power cleaning over
three hundred pounds, and that's what they want. Oh they
were lifting?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, And are your feelings hurt that you have to
red shirt? When did they tell you that? Or is
this something that that happens in game three when you
haven't played at all?

Speaker 3 (36:25):
So I kind of like, I had like a little
back injury and just had a rough start to it,
and it kind of was like, Hey, you're either gonna
play special teams this year or we can red shirt you.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
So I was like, yeah, I'm like I'm not going
to waste a year just playing special team. So I
red shirted.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
But he Giano used to red shirt like the entire
classes because he won an older team. So I think
out of our true freshman class we had twenty five commits,
twenty five guys on four rides and not counting walk ons,
I would say he probably played four or five guys
twenty of us red shirted. He just wanted to backload
the whole roster like that, right, So now a senior
class or fifty year seniors twenty three years old. So

(37:02):
that just was like if you weren't a super phenomenal
right away, he was, you're gonna red shirt?

Speaker 1 (37:08):
What year did you leave college?

Speaker 3 (37:10):
So I actually left as a red shirt junior, So
I left early. I got it together and I took off.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
So I left. So your red shirt year than your
two years I red shirted.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
I had a red shirt freshman sophomore. Then I left
after I almost left after a red shirt sophomore year,
but I left after my red shirt junior.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
It was my fourth year. So you go, and you
I was reading some of your because it still exists,
the draft stuff or like this is his peak, this
is what we think his ceiling is. This is who
did you ever read that stuff back then? Too?

Speaker 3 (37:37):
I don't, I mean I don't, I don't know what
they wrote about me, but I can probably could tell
you what it was.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
But yeah, so, I mean, so they would they do
compare a certain player compare they're like at his ceiling,
not quite Palamalu, but you know, and they're doing it. Yeah,
So who did they compare you to? In college? Just
when you would talk to folks and they'd be like oh,
we get to kind of see you being this type
of player in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
So I don't know if there was an exact like
ceiling comp that I knew in the NFL at the moment.
But my biggest thing is like I was super smart
and tough and productive, Like I had some of the
most productive stats, Like I was second in Biggie's history
in pass breakups, ahead of Devin mccordy, behind a Roll
ReBs By like a couple.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
And do you think that's because of your athletic ability
or because you your instincts. Instincts and studying was so
good instincts and studying.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Once I figured out the game, I would say half
the time now in the NFL, I played plays over
players like I don't care, Like Julio's one of my
good friends.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I had to cover Julio in Super Bowl. I don't care,
it's Julio.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Julio only runs, Like can only run ten routes, and
once I figure out what they are, it can only
be three. So I'm gonna play these three routes right
based on situation and all that. So I'm paying the plays.
So at the end of the day, the quarterbacks got
thrown to a spot if I could figure out that
spot before you figure out this, or you know, cause
I don't know where you're going, I gotta do some mass.
So I always say I'm just playing high high stakes
blackjack out there.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Being such a cerebral guy, because again, that's the story
on you too, is that you were able to almost
predict chess moves before the chess move happened. Do you
ever think about coaching?

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, you know, I get asked that a lot because
I definitely have. I have a memory where I almost
remember every game I playing in the place, and then
I think I do a decent job of explaining it
to the everyday person.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
So that's why media is good in coaching.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
I just don't like how many hours these coaches work,
Like it's very hard for a coach to have a
balance with any family life, Like they're.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Home at midnight all year round.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
I mean, it's it's it's a crazy profession that doesn't
have any balance work life balance.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
So right now not attractive to you. Would you go
coach college or NFL if you had to, I.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Would coach NFL or college because I don't want to
recruit on the road when you're off time at a
seventeen year old high school telling him it's going to
be better than Devin mccordy. You know, it's just like
I don't feel like doing that. I'm too real with kids.
I'm like, look, you're not good, but but we'll take you.
We'll probably make you good, but you're not. You know,
you got to earn everything here.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
You're deciding to go, and you're gonna leave Rutgers are
gonna go to the NFL, and they kind of have
you pegged, as you know, late second third round pick,
and do you kind of have an idea of what
team will take you in that resent like four or
five teams or does everybody just act like they like
you until they got to make that decision.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Yeah, so I leave. I leave Rutgers. I got a
second They give you a draft grade if you want
to leave. Earlier gave me a second round draft grade.
So it's all going me depending like all my combine
but I wasn't a combine free who.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Gave you that grade? By the way, I don't know
get the official you submitted to some dudes who are
sitting in a room. So you go the second round.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I think they have to protect you because they want
to keep kids in school, so they give you a
lower grade because they don't want kids coming out, right.
They don't want to say you're on the first round
if you come out and then you slide a sixth round.
And I really pissed. So they gave me a second
round grade based on production. That's like, at worst, I'm
going in the second round. That's that's good money. So
Rutgers is like, no, don't go, You'll be a first
round next year. I'm like, I'm going I go to
the second round, all right. I start training and I'm

(41:01):
like one of those athletes I like, I play. I
can play baseball, I could play ping pong like, I
could play pickleball, like I can fish, I could play basketball.
I'm like an all around like a ball athlete. I
guess bowl I can bowl it over two hundred whatever.
There's guys that could literally not swing a baseball bat,
but they can jump forty four inches and stuff.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I'm not like that. So I had very mediocre numbers
at the Combine.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
And obviously I was a junior, so I didn't have
the Senior Bowl or all that stuff to have more
opportunity to be seen. So I kind of was like, oh,
this guy just kept every time I look, I just slipped.
Someone did something at something that I wasn't even at,
and I slipped.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
You weren't doing anything to slip. No, just because you
weren't able to do certain things.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Yeah, you leave as a junior. There is no Senior Bowl,
there is no so right, so I'm okay, I'm a junior.
All I have is the NFL Combine. As soon as
I ran a four or five, it was like, oh,
this guy ran who this guy out of nowhere who
has no numbers ran a four to three. Let's because
they're kind of sell a story at the combine too, right,
They want the biggest athletic freaks there. So I kind
of slipped. I went to the third round, New England.

(41:59):
New England came to Rutgers, and Rutgers had a lot
of guys at the time coming out and Bill Belichick
and this is actually another I got all these Belichick
stories that just keep coming out. So when you're in college,
there's local pro days. So in New Jersey, right like
the Jets and the Giants can work out the local

(42:19):
guys on their own day, and guys from all those
colleges in New Jersey can go do a local pro
day for the Jets and the Giants. So Bill Belichick
decides that he wants to come do a visit with
me on the day of the Jets local pro day.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
So I'm not going to work out for the Jets.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
The Patriots are coming to work me out privately, and
I think only two or three teams work me out privately.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Not only didn't invite.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Purpose for right right, not only did he invite me,
he invited about sixteen Rutgers players, so everybody, I mean,
I think we had seven guys get drafted that year.
We led the draft with players Me, Deron Harmon, Steve Bahrnis,
everybody that we had coming out. We had like eight
guys on defense, eight guys on offense. So it was
like a pretty much Patriot Pro Day the day that

(43:01):
was supposed to be the Jets Pro day. So Rex
Ryan and Jets were pissed because none of the Rutgers
players went to their pro day. They had like Mamath
players go and it was like, well, Bill came in
and said to do this, So I remember I did
the thing with Bill, but I called Devon because Devon's
one of my good friends and he was on the
Patriots already, was their captain. So I said, I need
all your drills. Give me all your warm up drills,

(43:23):
give me all your dB drills. What do you guys
do in a workout? So Devin sent me all their drills,
and I've been practicing with the guys for a week
because we knew what day this was coming. So our
entire secondary was practicing these drills for a week. So
when they come in, we crushed the workout. Then we
go to the film room and I'm like, oh, this
is what I do. I'm telling what the noseguard does.
I'm telling what all eleven players do on every defense.

(43:44):
So I knew I impressed Bill and then he ends
up drafting me in the third round. Deron Harmon, who
was our free safety, in the third round as well,
so we drafted four guys on Rutgers defense alone in
that draft. But I had the drills from Devon a
week prior and we were practicing for this workout.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
What's it like as a rookie going into the locker
room of the NFL where you got thirty five year
olds in there as well.

Speaker 3 (44:05):
Crazy it was again that's another adjustment again, and I
just think you got to earn them with your play
and just being a good rookie. I was singing songs,
I was telling jokes. I remember I was playing really
well in the preseason. I actually had a pick six
against the Bucks who shianna want to be that coach.
So I kind of got Schiano back with a pick
six in the preseason. And because he didn't draft me
in the second round, so I'm like, old coach, that

(44:26):
passing on me.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Dang, that had it hurt a little bit, like a
I taking that personal.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, it was a little personal at the time. So
I was like, Okay, don't draft me.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
That's fine. See what I do.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
So I uh, he actually drafted another corner as well,
so I end up doing that.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
So I'm playing well.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
So I'm like kind of playing with the starters like
when the season is about to start, like kind of
like in there, very different than the started my college career.
And I remember a keep to leeve was like and
I think there's no more intimidating veteran you can have
than a keep to leave as a rookie, and a
key was like, yo, rookie, you gotta get his chicken
wings before we.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Go in away game.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
On the flight, I'm like, I'm not getting no chicken wings.
I'm like one of the starters, like get the other
rookies a day. And he was like he looked at me,
He's like, you're getting those chicken wings. And I just
was like, I'm getting those chickens. So I ended up
getting chicken wings before every road game. I had to
go to Skipjacks across the street a Patriot place and
get like three hundred chicken wings and in.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
A suit and bring buffalo wings in a suit.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
And not get any sauce on me and get pictured
in the planes every like pregame picture of me in
the plane. I had like big old bag of chicken
wings for the entire secondary or whatever. And I did
that for I did that for an entire year, and
I ended up starting most of that year leaning the team,
leaning the AFC and it I had five interceptions as
a rookie.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
He's still getting wings even though you got fired.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
Started AFC Championship, starting AFC Championship, had more picks than
to leave that year, and uh yeah, I was getting
chicken wings up to the AFC Championship, and I remember
we were flying to the AFC Championship and Bill was like,
let the players sit first clipt and some other organizations
when you fly, the coaches sit first class and the
players in the bat and that pisses the players off.
But Bill's like, nah, the players, they run the show

(46:07):
like they're in the first class. But there's only so
many seats, so he doesn't do it on some yard
he doesn't know who's playing. So I remember I was
I got like a first class seat, and I'm like, yeah,
like okay, I made it. And they had some guys
that are ten year vets in economy pissed. I'm like, hey,
like I'm playing better, Bill rewards, who's playing better?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Who gets respect? Somebody who plays well or somebody's got
a big deal.

Speaker 3 (46:29):
Who I always say play well because even when I
signed some big deals. I signed two thirty million dollar
contracts in my career, and I just I always felt
like I got to show to the guys like I'm
worth it, because nothing's worse than a guy who gets
paid and doesn't work.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
And you're like, this is a guy we're paying.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Like you're do you see that in locker rooms. Oh yeah,
that's a lot of team's issues. They play guys they
don't know their character. The money changes the guys, and
now you have a big issue because not only is
your paid player supposed to be your best player and
hopefully your hardest worker like Tom Brady is, and these
guys are, he's your least hardest worker and he's not
even playing up to his own potentials. That really hurts
your team. So you got to pay. You got to

(47:06):
make sure that you reward the right guys. I'm a
big booster.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
I do NILS with players, big Arkansas guy, and I
think one of the things that I've been able to
observe is that some of these guys grew up like
I did, no money, broke, but this is their first
time to get some money in college, and it actually
prepares them from when they get more money in the NFL.
So it's not just straight culture shot going from nothing

(47:30):
to everything. I feel like that's a real positive of
the NIL is there's an adjustment period before you hit
it real big. Your thoughts on that? I love that.
I love that IL.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
It's I mean, I just like that the players are
getting a piece of the pie. And I know it's
kind of crazy to regulate, and I know a lot
of players are making a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Of money at a young age. But I think what
it also does.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
I think it can expose the family that's been waiting
to do it anyway, so you might you know, when
you've got a million dollars at twenty one, you got
some uncles that have been waiting in the weeds. You
know that now if you don't give them something now,
they now they're mad at you. So maybe it exposes
a little the family dynamic or the support dynamic a
little earlier. So these kids be like, oh, okay, I

(48:11):
really see who's got my back and not? You know,
so I think a lot of guys stresses is dealing
with family and how to hint, like you.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
Can't help everybody and where where? Who do you owe
what to? And what?

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Your aunt struggling, so you got to pay for her,
and so and so had a hospitality, got to pay
for that, and your mom needs this, and your dad
needs that, and you're oh, by your brother's always been
there with you, so he needs this. And then eventually
it's like you tell them no one time, and then
they get mad at you, you know, so you definitely
need to work on that dynamic.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
Do they work with you guys on money when you
go in like that? Because I know in the NBA
they do these these class.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
They Yeah, we have a we have a we have
like a rookie symposium, you know, but it's just it's generic,
you know, it's not like a class, it's a it's
a one day, you know, four hour presentation. You watch
the documentary about Going Broke, which was that you that
thirty for thirty which was crazy, and see Antoine Jamison
and then buying an apartment complexes and JaMarcus Russell, like buying

(49:06):
an entire plane every seat.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
You know. I'm like, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
But I don't know if that teaches you actually like
what taxes are and like how to percentages? Yeah, Like
I don't think guys like every draft pick is buying
their mama house and somebody a car the first day
and it's like, dude, you're making like maybe eight hundred
thousand dollars this year after taxes, that's like five hundred.
Now you bought a car and a house, Like, how

(49:30):
are you even going to pay for your own rent?

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Like there's not enough money to do that in day one,
which I you know, for Nils. Again, I think it's
great when you somebody make a few hundred thousand bucks
because then when they make a million, they know half
of it where it's going anyway. Yeah, you know. Yeah,
So when you get to the NFL and you're playing
with the Patriots and you're playing, well, I mean, you
got the greatest player of all time Tom Brady there.
I mean, does he just walk around and everybody just

(49:55):
it's instant respect or is he one of the guys.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
He's he's one of the guys much as he could be,
and he's just he's different. He was older than you know,
older than a lot of us and all that stuff.
But he is the most one of the most huge
like humble people for high star power.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Like like does he try to be involved with folks.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
Yeah, he's very authentic, He's very genuine. He's very engaging, engaging.
I think his EQ is what got him so many
Super Bowls. He really knows how to how to how
to tap in with his teammates and get the best
out of his teammates. Like sometimes you hear how Kobe
didn't always rub right with his teammates, or Jordan didn't
always rub right with his teammates or whatever. I think
Tom has that same competitive passion and he knows when

(50:33):
to do that, but he also knows when to love
up on his teammates and maybe a little more Lebron esque.
I don't know, but I think that like Tom has
mastered I think that's the difference with him in a
lot of these other quarterbacks. That's why he has seven
and these other guys have one or two. Is how
much like I'll tell quickly, like this story I've told
a couple of times my first time ever meeting him.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
So I get drafted by the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
I'm walking in the hall, I kind of like see
him like down the home, like, oh shit, I'm have
the run into this guy, Like do I call him
Tom Thomas, mister Brady? Like I had this guy's jersey
growing up, right, So I'm like like clearing my throat
and as I walk up to him outside of normal
conversation range, like you know, you have like maybe a
second to get ready for this conversation. He's like, oh, hey,

(51:14):
you're Logan right. We're drafting a third round out of
Rutgers and he's like, man, look i'm Tom quarterback. Here Like,
if you need anything, my lockers are here. I'm always
here early anything you need, like, just come to me
and I'll do the best I can. He's like, trust me,
I was a rookie. It's hard. Just put your head
down and keep working. And I just thought that was
so cool. Not only did take the awkward interaction out

(51:35):
of me, but he made me feel he knew who
I was, he knew where I was, school I came from.
He made me feel important, and he said he was
an open book for me. And when you're just the
third round rookie out of Rutgers who's probably the fifty
third best player on the team, I was like, dang,
that's really cool. And I was like, yo, I want
to be like that veteran One day. I might not
be Tom Brady, but I want to be that guy

(51:56):
that's not hazing and not like making it so hard.
We need these guys, and I think Tom knows that
he's going to need every one of his teammates.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
We only got a few minutes left too with you,
but a couple questions. What if you said, hey, Tom,
will you sign this, well, that football, anything, it could
be anything. You're like, Tom, hey, thanks man, were you signed?
Like is that allowed on the locker room? Yeah? I
got him. You didn't see I got him to sign
his last I picked off his last. But that's the end.
That's you already were established, oh early on. Yeah, and
you're like, it's crazy.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Yeah, I think I think you got to just draw
the line there because everyone would do it, so certain
guys when you're established.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
I think he does it, and charity he'll do it.
But like just he would be there all day, Like
you know, you're that went viral when you had him
sign the ball after you. And do you think part
of that situation you approached that was because you alreadyknew
him and played with him. Yeah. I knew him.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
We kind of grown together, our relationship of respect, and
I didn't know how much longer he was going to play.
I was going to play whatever, So I kind of
just snuck a bunch of stuff from the sign for
family finally over these years, and then I kind of
snuck the football in there.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
You still have the ball. I do have the ball. Yeah,
what could you get? Forty thinks that's.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
What I want to know. I mean, let me know
who's listening. I want to over have five hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
How do you still train? I get two questions, like,
how do you still train with the intensity that you
need to train with when you're waiting on that call
instead of knowing who that call is going to be from.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I did this during COVID. I was a free agent
for a long time and I left Tennessee. I didn't
sign with the New York Giants till week one of
the season. So I was all the way through training
camp and I got in there and I ended up
leading the team and snaps played and tackles on stuff.
So I've been through this. I think it's just it's discipline.
I get up and get it done, period, doesn't matter
who I'm playing for.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I get up.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I know, I know the work and what I need
to do at this point in my career, and I
get up and just get it done.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
You want to come here? I know some people here.
I mean, you want to come here? What the Titans?
I'm just saying, we want to come here? I know
some people here. I don't know, Like where you want
to go? Where do you see yourself fitting well? Who
needs you.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Man, I would love to be in Tampa because my
family's there, you know. But if that's not the case,
then I obviously want to play for a good organization,
a cold tender that can get a guy to plug
in and play and win championships.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
I gonna see, Yeah, we'll see what the record is
during during the year. He wants to play for the Cowboys.
Any question for Logan?

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, Logan, So like, growing up, who did you want
to play for? Because I got four kids, three of
them are pretty decent at sports, so I fought them
all jerseys, like so they can take baby pictures with
so the announcer can be like he's always been a
forty nine fan.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
From the you know, So who did you want to play? Crazy?

Speaker 3 (54:32):
I kept this hitting. I was a New York Giant,
and I literally kept this hitting. But I grew up
a diehard Philly fan because I'm from South Jersey and
there's like no choice, all right, there's Cowboys fans there.
They get like beat up daily fights. It's real rivalries
up there. So I was I was an Eagles fan
growing up. I grew up watching McNab years and and
all those years.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Brian Dawkins and all that. So I was big.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
So when the Phillies won the World Series in eight
oh nine or whatever, like our teachers didn't.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Show up to school, like there was no school. Everyone
was at the parade. It's like that type of town.
They were climbing the pole. Yeah, oh yeah, it's serious.
I'm a big animal guy. Tell me about Ryan's monthly
rescue and your goal and what you've been able to
do so far.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Man, we were able to raise hundreds of thousands of
dollars for animals throughout the years. I just love I
was waiting, I was looking for my calls, and I
love shelter animals. I have rescue dogs, my daughter foster's kittens.
So we started a big animal foundation to raise money,
awareness and just be a different face in that industry.
You don't see young black guys like loving on pitbulls.
You see a different type of stereotype. You don't see

(55:33):
guys with kittens and stuff like that. So I've done
a lot when Naturally Humane out here when I was
still currently and we're just trying to promote adoption and
give out grants and stuff for people that are, you know,
struggling with animals and animals need help.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
So I'm just an animal lover at r A r
F dot com, which is r A r F and
you find them on Facebook search for the Ryan Animal
Rescue Foundation. We talked about a little bit before you
got in here, but I really appreciate the time, man,
I could just for three hours. So yeah, I hope
you get picked up by a contender. I hope you
still find your fulfillment for playing sports the next couple

(56:09):
of years. Whatever makes you feel like you still got it.
If you still got it, I hope you get But
then when you're don dude, you're gonna kill it in
this space.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Yeah, man, I got peace. I'm proud of what I've done.
So I'm just honestly, it's a financial decision at this point.
I thankfully I had good team and support it where
financially I made good decisions where I don't have to
do that anymore. And my body is important to me.
My time with my family's important to me. So I'm
in the one making decisions now and waiting for the
right opportunity with the right team. If that doesn't happen
and we can do this more often, that's cool too.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
You know.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
I'm enjoying it. Yeah, pig Sue Man. I played Arkansas
in college.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
You played against them. Yeah, we beat them. Two picks
you had. That's how we cut Oh, I did Okay,
we whispered to one guy called back. Yeah, probably get
what was it like a clip or something. That's how
you got it in the first place. I don't know what. Yeah,
something I didn't do somebody else or else follow Logan.
It's at Logan, Ryan, good luck this season. If it

(57:02):
don't work out, let's go, let's get let's do something big.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
I appreciate you guys are awesome. Man, it was a
big deal to be here, so I appreciate the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
And that's crazy, all right, Logan Ryan, everybody, No, thanks
to Logan Ryan. That's awesome. Really one of the coolest
interviews we got to do. Yeah, just sit for an
hour and talk with Logan about that stuff. Whatever you wanted.
Scotty Pippen says Michael Jordan was a horrible player before
he got there. Statistically, says Lebron's going to be easily
be the greatest statistical player of all time. Obviously, Scotty
Pippen's still hurt by the last dance and how he's

(57:30):
portrayed there. Now, what I did is I went back
and looked. These are Jordan's stats without Pipping on the Bulls,
thirty two points per game, six rebounds, five assists. But
then with Pipping on the Bulls he had the same
exact stat line. Yeah, in his two healthy seasons he
was seventy eight and eighty six and one and six

(57:51):
in the playoffs. So that's Jordan's record before Pipen gets there. Now,
like we said, the points per game, the rebounds, assists,
they were all basically the same. But with Pipping he
was five ninety two and two thirty eight. Again not
mister stats, Dang, that's such a difference. He was one
hundred and seventeen and fifty one with six championships with Pippen.

(58:12):
Now he was thirty one or twelve without Pipping in
the final three p years. But by that point he
had other great role players too. I can't get on
pippin side and say Jordan was garbage, but I do
think Scotty Pippen defensively was a beast and made Jordan's
life a whole lot easier. I'm gonna fall to somewhere
in the middle of this. I think they needed each other,

(58:35):
and the fact that Momadad are fighting makes me uncomfortable.
I think Jordan gets all the credit, and I think
Pippin should get a little bit of it, and he doesn't,
and it probably hurts his feelings, And it hurts feelings
when Jordan does the last dance and acts like Pippen
was a cry baby Scotti. Pippen's career stats in seventeen
seasons with the Bulls, Troilblazers and Rockets sixteen points a game,

(58:57):
six or rebounds, five assists, older when he finally got
paid because he didn't get paid, that documentary shows you
he kind of got screwed financially. But older Pippin with
the trail Blazers and Rockets wasn't the same. It wasn't
prime pipping. They just need to admit they needed each other.
But you can't have Michael Jordan and he needed anything.
And Pip's already said Jordan's garbage. We know that's not

(59:17):
true as well. I still think Lebron's best basketball player
of all time. I still think it is, and I
watch Michael Jordan a ton, but there's not been another
Lebron that can do everything that he does with the
size that he is, and he's also has a scoring record.
You can hit me with rings, sure, but as we
saw here, rings have a lot to do with who

(59:37):
else is on your team, because Jordan was garbage until
Pippin got there. I started to get on Pipping's side
after saying that Quentin Tarantino once paid a strip or
ten thousand bucks to liquor toes until they were prunes. Man,
I said this disposable money, Like that's just like, you
got so much money, you have access to everything. So

(01:00:00):
what do you do? You have a foot fetish and
you go lick some toes until they prune. Like how
much spit is coming out of his mouth. It takes
me a solid thirty five minutes in the bathtub to
start pruning anything. And I'm sitting directly in water. Yeah,
I mean tongue in that, tongue in a toe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
A lot of work.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
God, dang, how's he gonna take He's licking toes for
an hour. He had to be to some toe sucking though, too.
It just can't be licking. I know this is liquing,
but he's got to be doing some toe sucking with
them in the bathtub of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
He's getting juicy in there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Yeah, it's like he's. Guys got to be holding him
in his mouth bathtub because otherwise that ain't pruning. A
former stroke club manager in Hollywood is Quentin Tarantino. Once
came in and asked for a VIP room and a girl,
and then he pursued a liquorr feet and suck her
toes until they look like prunes, and he gave her
ten thousand dollars. After thirty minutes, the guy says her
feet looked like prunes. Quentin gave her ten grand. You know, hmm,

(01:00:54):
it's tough. I'm thinking about it. If I would take
ten grand to have my toes sucked by Quentin Tarantino, Yeah,
oh yeah, I do for ten grand. Well, yeah, but
you like movies.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, I'm gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Get to ask him any questions about directing Mike. Oh,
even if I don't have to ask one single question,
I would do it for ten grand. I'm okay right now,
or I don't. I would do it for ten grand.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
You're not the one doing it, You're the I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
I'm taking it. Yeah, yeah, I'm still probably not gonna
Oh no, you gonna do that? No, one hundred grand
I think we're talking ten Probably not you weird o
Quentin Tarantino sucking on your toes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Yeah, Grand, probably not, no, maybe, Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Look that's it. Let's go around the room here. Final thoughts,
Kevin will get yours every week, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted mentally physically from being a fan
this series. Last two weeks is just from the ultimate
highs to the ultimate lows from it, whether it's a
shot or a game or the series. And I'm just exhausted,
and I feel like I need to have a few
days to recoup before I get toast sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Yeah, yes, you get mister Tarantino on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
So I'm happy the series is over because I'm exhausted.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Our camera guy Reid read what's up? What's going on?
So I am leaving tomorrow actually to go to the UK.
I'm going to Kentucky. He's gonna watch Kentucky basketball, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I'm going to London and in Scotland and it's gonna
be fun.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
I have not packed whatsoever, so I need to do
a lot of preparation Also, I didn't even know they
had different plugs there, did they do? Yeah, So you
can get this up at the airport. Okay, that's probably
the best place because you can go to a gas
station too. But it's like finding an extension cord at
a gas station here, Like you got to find the
right kind of gas station you have an extension cord,
like country gas stations have extension cords. But I would

(01:02:58):
just get a couple of those at the airport or one.
It just spends how many thing's gonna plug in. Yeah.
I went to Utah over the weekend and watched Utah
softball when they're super regional, and be honest with you,
pretty freaking cool. My brother in law, the assistant head
coach there, but he's really gone in there, in my opinion,
totally flipped that program. And they're gonna be in Oklahoma

(01:03:20):
City playing the College World Series, first time that team's
ever made it, or at least since ninety four, So
first time since ninety four. So this coaching the head
coach there has never been until now, and they had
never hosted a Super Regional. And so that's where I'll
be this weekend is in Oklahoma City watching women's softball.

(01:03:42):
I'm gonna tell you this, the environment in a stadium
is so much more fun than a college baseball game.
And I love college baseball in Arkansas's in a regional
but you know, dude, they gotta be cool. And you
take the energy from the players and they're all like yelling, singing,
doing cheer. I mean, it's definitely, as they say, a

(01:04:03):
vibe in a college softball stadium. I mean, people, it's NonStop.
I mean, it's music. I mean, it's just so much
more active than a baseball game. And I love baseball,
love college baseball, and I'll be rooting for Arkansas, probably going,
but I'm telling you, if you have to go to

(01:04:24):
one of a team, you don't know, man, college softball
is so much more fun just to be at the game.
I never thought i'd say it, but I have to
say it. That's it. I hope you guys have a
great rest of the day. I don't know if we'll
be back this week or not, but if we will,
we'll be up on the twenty five whistles feed only.
Like I said, we don't know what we're doing. We
don't know when we'll be back, but I assume it'll

(01:04:45):
be sometime soon. We'll probably talk about the finals if
something crazy happens. But we're not under a schedule. We're
under our own rule. Now, thank you, I'll blow the whistle.
We'll get out of here until next time. We'll see
you guys. The theme song written by Bobby Bones and
performed by Brandon Ray. Follow Brandon on socials at Brandon

(01:05:08):
Ray Music. Thanks to our crew, segment producer at Kickoff Kevin,
video producer at reed Yarberry, and executive producer at Mike Diestro.
Most importantly, thank you for listening to Bobby Bones. We'll
talk to you next week.

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