Happy Memorial Day! We wanted to share a recent episode of the BobbyCast with you that we did recently with Martina McBride!
She recently stopped by Bobby's house to discuss her over 30-year career of being one of country music's most powerful voices, how she got her start, her passion for cooking, the secret to her 35 year marriage and explains the joke Loretta Lynn made inducting her into The Opry. Martina moved to Nashville in1990 to pursue a career in music, and since then has gotten 20 Top Ten hits and 6 number-one songs, won four CMA Female Vocalist of The Year Awards and three ACM Top Female Vocalist honors. But, success didn't always come easy.
She shares how she called around to radio stations to fight for her song "Independence Day '' and how she received resistance for it. She also shares what it was like coming from a small town in Kansas with only a population of 200, to moving to Nashville and performing in front of thousands of fans. Martina also talks about her love for cooking and what led to her releasing multiple cookbooks and reveals the secret to her 35 year marriage. She also discusses the moment Loretta Lynn inducted her into The Opry and the joke she made backstage.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I just didn't get it, not until I think years
later when somebody said something I was like, oh my god.
I was just like, yeah, the penetrators will penetrate you
with our music.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Episode three eighty eight, Martina McBride wit what Again? Good job, Mike,
I know you worked on this one for a while. Yeah,
super cool. I've never spent a whole lot of time
talking with Martina. I've talked to her occasionally, like we're
somewhere at the same place or music, but I never
just sat with her. I don't think she I've ever
interviewed her. I've never met her, never even seen her
(00:39):
until this, so you didn't know if she was real. Nah,
it's awesome. So at Martina McBride if you want to
follow her on Instagram and TikTok. I mean, there's just
so much shit, all these number ones. Obviously you're gonna
walk through some of them. Yeah, nineteen ninety five, Wild
Angels nineteen ninety seven, A Broken Wing nineteen ninety seven,
(01:04):
Wrong Again nineteen ninety nine, I Love You two thousand
and one, Blessed two thousand and three. This one's for
the girls. What's Crazy is like her biggest songs weren't
(01:27):
number ones. Yeah, like if you talk about Concrete Angel
or Independence Day, like those songs are still played today
and they weren't number one at the time. So just
her songs and weren't number one were massive, So super cool.
You can go check her out on the road Martine
McBride dot com. She's in Louisiana, Misissippi, Alabama, Kentucky all
coming up May through June four CMA Vocalists of the
(01:50):
Year awards three consecutively. She became Remember the Opera in
nineteen ninety five, sold over twenty three million albums, and
just super cool to have her come over and talk
an hour. I don't know, I liked it and you've
been killing it. But we had a great Chase Rice
episode and then a great Martina mc rite episode. Good ones. Yeah,
we're on a two streak too. I don't know, I
just forget who that was awesome too, But I just
(02:12):
forget Hailey Witters. Oh yeah, that Haley one was good too.
All right, enjoy Martina McBride. So a couple of things
and if you want to wear those, you can. You
don't have to. We may play a song or something, okay,
but you don't you definitely don't have to a couple
of things. I was talking to my wife, she's a
massive fan of yours, and she was like someone in
like her fifth grade talent show saying, concrete Angel fifth grade. Wow,
(02:35):
that's what I said, And she said she was singing
a lot of your songs. She goes, you know, someone
in a fifth grade talent show. They didn't really know
what it meant. They just liked the songs, so they
got up and sang concrede Angel, and nobody really told
the girl it was a very serious song, which again,
that is a very serious song. But there's a kid
singing in a talent show thinking it's like a happy song.
(02:56):
That would be a peculiar situation if you really know
what the song's about, like to see a kid or
anybody or just somebody's screaming. I don't know what half
the songs are. I sing along too, right, So when
you have a song like that, do you have to
treat it extra sensitively in performance? Even as well because
it is and at least in my mind a lot
(03:16):
of other folks who've seen the video, who know the song,
do you have to treat it a certain way as
well whenever you perform it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, well, it's interesting. First of all, you said that
about the child singing it, because it's really super popular
with little kids, and I think that they don't understand
completely what it's about, but I think they they it's
about a child, right, you know, so it's some part
of them relates to it and is empowered by it,
I guess. But yeah, when I'm singing that song, it's
(03:47):
I don't do it live in the show very much anymore,
but it is kind of like it's not a downer,
but you know what I mean, it's like very serious.
So and when I was recording it, when I chose
I was, I went back and forth. I think I
listened to it for the album before and then finally
just said, I have to record this song. It's so good.
(04:08):
But yeah, you have it's there's a sensitivity to it,
for sure, you know, you kind of I try not
to look into the audience because if I see somebody emotional,
I get emotional, so you know. But yeah, there's a
sensitivity to those kind of songs. When you perform them,
you have to have that.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I would also think, and this is just a theory
you can hit me and tell me I'm wrong if
you've performed that song ten thousand times or something that
I do over and over and over again. Although I
know the impact of the meaning, if you do it
a whole lot, it just starts to be a part
of a process and that you'd have to read because
there are times there have been like news stories, but
(04:44):
you have to recheck yourself and go, Okay, this is
the one time somebody's gonna see me do this. I
can't There can't be any snickers or anything right, right,
even though I've done it ten thousand times, And I'm like,
you got to treat this as serious as you possibly can,
because somebody that's just seeing you do it once, you
gotta do it like they feel a the song.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, there's a responsibility there. I will say that after
I have to check in every once in a while.
I'm kind of in the process of doing that now,
of really going through all of the lyrics and really
start because I have two months off from the road,
and my part of my process this two months off
is really going to be reconnecting with those lyrics again.
(05:20):
Because You're right, it does get to be not just
a performance, but like, you know, you really have to
check in and make sure that you understand the seriousness
of the lyric, even if it's a happy song, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So like that too, same yeah, yeah, where it's if
you just do it something over and over and over,
regardless of what it is, it just becomes part of
the process. And I have to do it too, you know,
even with the happy That's a great point. We do
a segment on our show that we've done for like
fifteen years. It's all about positivity, and I have to
remember because sometimes I hate doing this segment because I've
just done it so many times. Yeah, and we get
(05:53):
all this research back and it's like number one testing
number one, and I have to go, you know what,
some people are only hearing this twice a week, right,
and I need to approach it like it's the only
time they're going to hear this, and I need to
feel great about it. But yeah, I want you to
do it so many times? Why because I didn't know that.
Why the process with the song? You know, you didn't
(06:13):
choose it and then you chose it later, Like what
were you bouncing between?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I just think the heaviness of it, I think I
can't remember chronologically where that song came in my body
of work, but I feel like probably after some I'd
probably had a few heavy songs before that, you know,
I had a Independence Day, Broken Wing and so and
Love's the Only House and just some things, and I
think that I just thought, Wow, this is maybe heavier
(06:40):
than any of those because it's about it well, I
guess Independence Days about a child too, But you know,
it's it's definitely hard hitting and very honest, and there's
no kind of skating around it with the lyric. You know,
it's really just it's real hard, It's it's real and
it's real life for some people. And so I just
kind of thought, but I don't know, man, I do
(07:02):
that sometimes with songs I'm Gonna Love You Through. It
was the same way. I just kind of hesitated for
a minute, except that is how is how is this
gonna be? Like? Is anybody really want to sit through this?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And then like a set list of like or a record?
What are you thinking to?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What on the record?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know? And I just but at the end of
the day, I just thought to myself, I have to
you know it Just then it just becomes sort of
you have to listen to your gut and I'm like,
I have to record this song. And it was released
as a single, of course and was a hit. So
it's like that is a different I think we have
a different landscape, you know now. I don't know if
(07:41):
Concrete Angel was released in twenty twenty three, if it
would have ever get played on the radio.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I don't know, because I think now authenticity wins. It
doesn't even have to be the sonically the best song anymore,
as long as like people believe that it's real, even
if it's real stupid, if it's presenter real stupid. But
I think it is, so I don't think it would
be a hit. I think it would be a hit
now to be readout, the landscape is so different. But
I do think the honesty of it still holds true
(08:08):
to today because sometimes we'll play it. I don't pick
a lot of the music that we're playing because we're
doing a national show, but it'll come on occasionally three
or four of your songs and I'm like, dang, this
song still hits like it still has. Yeah, you're watch
an allD movie or an old TV show like mash
will come on and I'm like, you know, it didn't
quite hold up, but I could see why then it
was good.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, But with some of the especially Concrete Angel Independence Day,
you kind of get the same feeling like like like
that's it. Did you ever worry about maybe worries not
the word having so many serious songs that you then
would become the series the person who sang all the
serious songs like type cast even I.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Don't know if consciously that was a thought process. I
don't know if that if I kind of, you know,
interpreted it that way, but I think that was. Yeah,
maybe that's part of the hesitation of recording another one
of those kind of songs.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I never thought that about you until you started to
list them all off together, because I know your body
work just listening to it through my life. Never once
that I go, you know, Martine, she does all those
serious songs really but it's right. But that's consumer versus
the person who's living it every single day.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Whenever you're doing your set, now, like what's the biggest
pop when, when, when, what song starts? What notes it?
And everybody knows this is it, This is.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The loudest for sure. Broken Wing and Independence Day, but
this is for the Girls gets really good response. It's
just such a lift in the show. You know. I
think we do it right after Love's the Only House
and it's just this that guitar dan huff guitar riff
starts and everybody's you know. I always say, you know,
this is for all my girls out there, and everybody
just stands up and sings along, and it's a real
(09:46):
high high point in the show.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I would stand up a sing along too, and you'd
be like, you're not a girl. But you know, I'd
be like, that's tough. I'm here. I love it. So
I'm going that's so.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Funny you say that, because I always say I look
out there every night and there's inevitably like the biggest
man let burliest guy just standing up and singing at
the top of his lung and I'm like, I love you.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That would be me, except without the manly and burly part.
But I would be up there singing at the top
of my lungs. I was talking to a friend earlier today.
We were up at the radio studio, the other one
and I said, Hey, Martinez, gonna come by, And I
expected her to say because she went wow. She like
lit up a little bit. I thought she would be like, wow,
I love this song. She went right to your cookbooks.
Really yeah, and she was like, I love Do you
(10:26):
have two? Okay? She said, I love I don't know
which one. And that was the first thing she thought
about whenever I said your name was was your ventures
into cooking, And so how much time do you spend
with that now, even recreationally? Do you still cook and
love to cook every day?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Really as much as I can every day If I'm
home off the road for only like three days and
somebody wants to invite us out to dinner, or I'm
like kind of bummed because I'm like, ah, that's one
night I don't get to cook.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I love to cook.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I love it, and it's so I'm so lucky, you know,
that I've found another passion. Some people only get one
passion in their life and one sort of thing that
they can give, and I'm just really lucky that I
found that. I just love to cook and I love
you know, I'm thinking about writing another cookbook. And it
seems like lately, just lately, like maybe in the past
(11:21):
month or two, it started people have started to really
resonate with that part of me. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Do you keep notes in your phone if like, oh,
this would be a cool recipe or this would be
something cool to do in a cookbook, the same way
you would if you have a song idea.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I'm a paper and pen girl,
So I like, I sit down and write down.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This chicken pop pie.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, I write like what changes I want to make
next time? But I'll tell you that I don't want
to get off on cooking because it's not everybody's. But
like I started out, first of all, I'm not a
trained cook, so I'm not a chef. I'm like a
home cook, and I am still learning every day. But
I started out just following that recipe, you know what
I mean, Like if it says half a teaspin of salt,
(12:04):
I'm going to put a half a teasment assault. I'm
not varying from any of this. And then now it's
so much more fun because I've cooked enough and I've
had enough experience to really be able to riff, you know,
so I can say, well, I want to add some
tarragon to this chicken salad, or I want to you know,
I think that this would maybe I want to cook
it even prepare it a different way because I know
(12:24):
techniques now a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Sounds like you play jazz when you cook because you're
so comfortable and that key and you can just kind
of you can you can riff it, yeah on whatever,
and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Kind of what makes it fun, is when you can
use your instinct and experience to create and make it
your own. And I think so many people are intimidated
by cooking, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I am really yeah, and by people who can do
it really well, both because it's an art. And my
grandma was a great cook and she had to learn
how to cook because she grew up and the you know,
the depression, and you know, she had to find things
and learn how to make them halfway decent. So she
was great when she actually had real ingredients, and so
(13:05):
she was awesome. My wife is such a good cook
that when I met her, she was like, I'll cook dinner.
And I laughed because I'm like, yeah, you're pretty, you
probably don't cook, and she's like fantastic. But like you,
she now has the ability to go, well, let's try
a little bit of this, a little bit of that,
because she was raised cooking. Yet that's an intimidating thing.
Somebody who can really like chef it up because it's
(13:28):
an art science to it as well. And I'm terrible
at it, so that's also why it's intimidating. Like I've tried.
I made cookies the other night. This is not even cooking,
this is baking. Well, let me tell you the story.
There are cookies in a pack. Oh, I literally have
to just put them on a plate for pre eat
the oven too, like three p fifty put him in.
(13:49):
I put him in. I'm looking at through a lot
to keep the light on. I know that keep the
light on. And while they're in there, I push them
and they're still so soft like that, we can't be done.
And so she says they're done. I said, I don't know.
There's still way soft because how long I've been there?
I said fifteen minutes. She goes, what's at eight? And
I said, yeah, but they're still soft. There's no way
they're done. She goes, no, you got to pull them
out and then they get hard. I didn't know that.
So I'll pull that and they're all burnt. Oh yeah, yeah,
(14:10):
I got I'm just an idiot.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Basically, when it comes to cooking, baking's harder. I wasn't
really baking the house literally just taking you were just
plopping things. I was just trying to count to eight
minutes and pull them out, and that didn't work. So
a third cookbook, huh yeah, what would be the difference?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Like what would you do differently in this one?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know? That's the hardest part of a cookbook for
me is like, first of all, with anything that I
do creatively, I think this is a process for a
lot of people. Sometimes I have a really concrete idea,
like about why would I want a record to sound
like some of them? I'm like, I don't know, I
don't know, you know. Like so for me with a cookbook,
it's like where do I start? Like what everybody always wants?
(14:47):
An angle? Like is it a vegetarian cookbook? Is it
a thirty minutes and let under on the table cookbook?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Is it? You know?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So I'm just kind of stuck as to what where
to start. I mean for me, like cookbooks are like
a collection of people's favorite recipes, which I think that's enough, right,
What did it have to happen? Isn't that the angle
could that be the angle?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It could well, So my wife did some just she
moved here a pandemic, everybody was doing whatever just to
stay sane. And she's not someone who likes to be
on camera, but she loved to cook. So I as
it was like, hey, let's do some cooking videos and
I'll hop in some of them with you. And she did.
She did them really well, and she was like, I
don't really like to be on a camera, but well,
Food Network called her and they were like, they were like,
would you like the didn't offer a show or anything,
(15:27):
but they were like, what we like to do is
put people who are good on some of these panel
shows and they can like judge. And she was like, ah,
that's really not for me, like thank you, but you
know I appreciate that. And so I tried to learn
while she was doing it, you know, while she was cooking.
I tried to learn from her a little bit. But
it was also like what's the theme? She's like, I
don't know, Like what's the theme of this video? Like
(15:47):
everybody wants like a gimmick as to what we're going
to create, and now we're going to create it. And
when we got married, we got sent like three hundred
recipes from her family.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That was like, there's a book right there. That's right.
I was like, that's the theme. We already have her
in four well to take credit for it. Yeah, Kleen's
family recipes. There, we go, stamp it there, you can
mail it off. You were out doing the Judge tour,
so were you filling in? Were you part of that
because I know there were some changes once the death happened.
(16:18):
Or were you already on that tour?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I was already on the tour, so they asked me
back in the summer. Well, I don't know. I guess
we toured in the fall, so in the summer to
come on the every show and do forty five minutes
like a full set, like a full set before every show,
and then they were going to have well then it
was going to be one known in Naomi. And then
when Naomi passed, they restructured and had still wanted me
(16:41):
to be on every show, thank goodness, and then had
several other women fill in. So there was Kelsey Ballerini,
Ashley Judd, Trisha Yearwood, Brandy Carlisle, Tanya Tucker. I'm forgetting someone.
Faith was on a show and so you know, so
I got to Yeah, I got to be on every show.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
The story of Tanya Tucker and your dad like talking
to you. Yeah, because you grew up a Tanya Tucker fan,
I think, like most anybody, I grew up in rural Arkansas,
so you almost had to be Yeah, so what is
the story? I know you were in a family band
for a while, and so was that passed down through you?
That Tanda, that Tanya Tucker fandom. You know, was your
dad your mom fans?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, you know, I was. My dad had a cover
band that played on the weekends, and so we would
just play like whatever was on the radio. So I
sang in the band. I sang Texas when I you
know when I die, I may not go to heaven
Texas when I die, and a couple of her other songs.
And I went one of my first concerts actually was well,
I went. I think my first concert might have been
Alabama with my parents. But then I went to see
(17:44):
We went to see Tania Tucker in this little town
in Kansas, about thirty miles from where I grew up.
And so I my mom passed three years ago, so
I called my dad every night since that, and so
I was on Tany asked me to come over her
bus after one of the shows, just a couple of
weeks ago, and so I said, I went over there
(18:05):
and we were visiting. She's playing music. It was really,
really awesome, and I said I have to go because
I have to call my dad, and she goes, well,
let's call him. Call him up. I'd love to talk
to your dads. And it was so sweet.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
What you like, dad, or did you say, I don't know,
how do you set it up?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think I just said, hey, dad, I've got you know,
And then she just jumped in.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
She's like, hey dad, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
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Speaker 2 (18:36):
What's Sharon, Kansas like?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
There's about one hundred and forty people that live there.
It's very rural. It's about ninety miles from Wichita, which
is the biggest city in Kansas. And it's just like
like like dirt streets, no stop lights. There's a couple
of maybe three churches. There's no grocery store, there are
no restaurant. Got to be a dollar store though, no,
(19:02):
really no, no, it's tiny.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Wow, because I'm from a town of seven hundred and
we just got a dollar store there you go, and
then it turned into two dollar stores. Wow, not a
two dollars store, but two dollar stores that now compete
for that seven hundred people.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you had no how many traffic lights?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
None stop signs?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I still we didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We have a traffic lights and dirt streets. There's a couple,
there's a couple of paved streets, but mostly the side
streets are all dirt streets.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What about the school did you have, like Sharon elementary.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
We had elementary through high school, and then like I
had ten people in my graduating class.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That is small. I thought forty. I had forty, and
I was, yeah, wow, that's a whole different level.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
We had thirty eight. The year I graduated, we had
thirty eight students in the whole high school bought student body.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Did they combine classes ever? No, there were ten people.
It was ten.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Class after me was five kids. And the year my
brother graduated he's two years younger than me, they shut
down the school and consolidated, which really was just the
end of really the end of the town because there
were no more team sports. Really in that town and
there were I don't know, the high school was really
the hub of the whole town.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So so the band that you were in with your dad,
your family band was it called the Shifters? And so
was he a musician when he was younger? Did he
ever try, like I'm gonna give this the real try
to make it as an artist or was he always
just someone who loved it recreationally and got pretty good
at it?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I think so. I mean he was he was a
farmer as well, and a woodworker, built houses and things
like that, and he like entered some contests when he
was a kid, but just never really thought of actually
like picking up and moving to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Is it because nobody else did it? So he didn't
know it was a real thing.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't know, because that was nobody else I knew
did it either. But it was a whole different, you
know generation. But like I don't know why. I mean,
I think he was really really happy playing in that
local band. It was kind of a big deal. We
were like, you know, regionally respected, and we worked a lot,
and I think that, you know, that was that was
good for him, and I mean that was probably good
(21:06):
enough for him.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
How was he when it came to you doing your
own thing? Support wise?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Very supportive. My parents were both very supportive. They always said,
you know, we didn't come from a lot of like
college graduates, so it was going to college wasn't really
that important. It was you know for me, I think
everybody we just always assumed that I would sing in
some capacity. And they always said when I when I
decided to move to Nashville, my husband and I decided
(21:33):
to move to Nashville, we'd just gotten married about a
year before that or two years. My parents were always like, look,
somebody's got to make it right. Like literally, maybe tomorrow
there's going to be a new artist that gets signed
and makes a record. Why couldn't it be you? If
you get in the right place at the right time,
and you work really hard, why not? Why not you?
And I was like, yeah, so think you know, probably
(21:57):
like you when you have when you have when you
grow up with something that you believe, it's just kind
of part of you. You have a confidence, you know,
especially when you're young. I have a confidence that I
could probably do.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
This little naive, little confidence. Yeah, it's a real lethal mix.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, And I think you have to see it, Like
I think you have to be able to visualize walk
Like for me, I always visualize walking up on CMA's
steps and accepting an award. You know, I think you
have to see it, otherwise you won't go for it, especially.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
If there's no one around you that can tell you
that it can be a reality.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean in Mountain Pine, Arkansas, nobody left. We worked
at the mill, or you worked in Hot Springs. That
was it. And so there was never anybody that was like,
this is a reality. You can actually pursue it. But
at the same point, there was nobody said it. You couldn't.
It was just a TV thing. It was like fairy tale. Yeah,
probably like moving to Nashville. Yeah, but to have parents
that were so optimistic, yeah, like what an asset for
a kid?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, oh absolutely. And you know, also just being able
to watch the CMA Awards or watch he Har or
watch whatever we watched and see you know, Loretta Lynn
and Tanya Tucker and Riba and all of these amazing
women doing that. I mean you just saw you saw
yourself there. You're like, well, I could do that. I mean,
she's from Oklahoma, you know, a little town in Oklahoma,
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little town in Kentucky, Like they came from small towns.
Why couldn't I do that?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
When you were singing as a kid, when did people
start to treat you special, like, oh, you're better than
other kids at that age doing that thing.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's interesting because you know, I'm very Kansas is very
Midwestern in a lot of ways, and praise isn't really
something that's bandied about, Like it's not really freely given,
so they think you're going to get an ego or
a big head or something. So like kids are like,
I think I recognize that people recognize that what I
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did was good. I was the only kid that did it,
Like everybody else was into sports and things like that,
so but it wasn't nobody was going to around going,
oh my god, you're a you know what I mean?
So I think I probably recognized that it made people
pay attention and made people happy. When I was probably
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about seven years old, that.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Is a lot younger than I thought you were going
to say, could you like nail pitch? At seven?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah? You know, I was a belter, you know, and
I didn't have any lessons. We didn't have like my
lessons that were in high school. The way I learned
to sing was from listening to records and singing along
with records like Linda Ronstatt Records, Bonnie Rait Records, Reba records,
and singing those cover songs in the band. That was
really how I learned to increase my range and try
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to match their nuances and their all of it. You know,
how long they held notes, how big the sound was,
And so I forgot your question.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But well, just about other kids treating you different and
you at seven being able to hit just match a pitch, yeah,
at all. But you just got it from listening.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I just got it from listening. And you know, we
we lived way. I didn't live in the town, the
booming town of Sharon, Kansas. I had lived on a
farm about ten miles away.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The suburb of Sharon. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yes, it was like literally ten miles down or eight
miles down a dirt road and then there's a house.
And my grandparents lived a mile down the road before
you got to my house. So it's very isolated. And
we my mom didn't drive, so until we could drive,
we were just come home from school. You're there, like
you're not going to run around and go down to
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the corner, you know what I mean. It's just like
so my parents always had instruments for us. Though a
piano guitar. We had little tape recorders that we would
record ourselves messing around on the out, you know, in
the utility room. And my brother, my younger brother. So
that was our entertainment. And I and records. And I
can remember having kids home from school, like my classmates,
(25:54):
to play after school or to stay all night or whatever.
And would I would be playing them all these records
and they they just didn't. I found a friend in
high school that was a little olderan me that loved
music like I did. But you know, most of the
kids in my school were just not that interested. It
was just music. It was just like background, you know.
And so I would we would sit and listen to
records and they after about thirty minutes, they'd be like,
is this all we're gonna do? Like, let me go
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outside and play.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm like, yeah, okay, your music maturation, I guess jumped
quickly because that's what you had a lot of at
the house. Yeah, we did your parents care what kind
of music you listened to? Were the rules on what
you couldn't listen to at twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't know if it was rules, but there was
they they My my dad was a country fan, like
he like I somehow my old I have an older
brother and an older sister. My older brother was into
like Credence, clear Water and I don't know, just like
really cool rock bands. And my sister was into pop
living Newton John and Casey in the Sunshine Band whatever
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it was on the radio, and so I got those
influences from there. But when we were in the car,
it was specifically with my parents country music. And my
mom loved like she loved more like krooners, like.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Like Nashville sound type crooner.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah. No, like like you know, like Frank Sinatra. We
didn't have any Franks.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I got it, got it, like the rat pack guy.
It's a boobl at now yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And my dad loved he did love Ray Charles and
so we did have Ray Charles records and Edna James.
But then I got into high school and I got
into like, like my first concert that I went to
without my parents was Ozzy Osbourne, right the Blizzard of
Oz tour. It was so like rock and roll and
was so exciting to me, and so some of that
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music I would listen to with headphones.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, you finish high school, you go to college. Now,
you mentioned college a minute ago, because there wasn't a
lot of college graduates in your family. Same here, so
it was a whole new world to me. Again, I'm somewhere,
I don't really have anybody to lean on to go
how do I do this? How was your experience to
college short lived?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I went to a community college. I got a doolarship
for music and academic and I went there. Okay, so
but we like my kids grew up in Nashville and
had all of this college prep. They've got a college counselor,
they've got all of these people that help them know
what to expect, help them with the application process, all
of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I had the opposite of college prep. I had no
college prep. So I show up, I'm literally so overwhelmed.
I don't know this whole schedule thing, you know, and
how you have to find your classes, and it was
just completely overwhelming to me. Plus I was living off campus,
I was singing in a rock band, and I was
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working at dairy queen. I had a boyfriend, so I
had a lot going on that was pulling me in
a lot of directions. But I went one semester and
was just like, I don't know what I'm doing at all.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The fact that you came from such a small school,
and I'll speak from experience as well, it's more than
just not having college prep. It's like a culture change. Yeah,
going from ten kids in a class to it doesn't matter,
a community college amid high school like that is like
moving to New York City, or was to me.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, so it not only was Wow, nobody my family
has ever been to college before. I'd never been around
so many people, right, yeah, and it's always all been
on me. But now I'm having to go and do
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And so speaking of your rock band, the Penetrators.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
H huh yeah yeah, jeez.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well we're in a room who says that let's go
with that?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Well, okay, in my defense, you don't need a defense.
I was seventeen years old when I joined that band,
and I've lived a pretty sheltered life and we didn't
have the you know, internet or anything like that. Three
channels on the TV. One was fuzzy, so like I
just didn't get it, like I I'd really not until
(29:45):
I think years later, when somebody said something I was like,
oh my god. I was just like, yeah, the penetrators
will penetrate you with our music.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What role did you have when you entered the band
at first? Were you pure front front man?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like that's it? And did they not have a singer before?
Are we just way better than the one they already had?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They had one and she quit or moved or something,
and so yeah, they actually one of the guys in
the band owned worked at a like a music store
that my parents frequented, you know, when we'd go to
the big town of Wichita or whatever. So they actually
came down and talked sat in our living room and
talked to my parents. These were older, you know all
(30:30):
I guess they're probably in their mid twenties thirties, and said,
you know, we want more too. Looking back on it,
it seems like a blur. I don't really cognitively remember
like having that. I kind of remember sitting there going, Okay,
these guys want me to sing in their rock band.
I'm going to be a rock star. I love it,
you know, and my parents were like, well, you seem
like good, good people, you know, they kind of gave
(30:52):
their blessing. And I spent the next year and a
half riding around in a van with a hole in
the floor, you know, pooling all of our money together
to get want two jars of peanut butter and two
loaves of bread, and like that's what we were going
to eat for the week. You know what I mean.
It's like just playing locally but scream like singing Pat
Benatar and Heart and Journey and it was it was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, you have to be nourished if you can penetrate properly. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I completely understand your protein absolutely. You mentioned
those three artists, like what are I was going to ask,
like what songs do you hear and it remind you
of that time period, like if you hear it on
the radio or playing at Walgreens. You mentioned Journey like
don't stop believing it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like we did any way you want it? Oh, yeah, good,
anyway you want it? And we did Pat Benatar, we
did uh oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Were the best shot? Did you that?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Holy? I don't know if we did that one. I
did that live every once in a while now, but
we did Promises in the Dark, we did Fire and Ice.
It was probably a little bit later Pat Benatar, because
I remember when Pat Benatar came out. I was at
my grandmother's. I was folding clothes and I was listening
to Casey Casem's Top forty and Heartbreaker came on the
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radio and I was like, what is that? I was
so knocked out by that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Jesus Jesus, Yeah, yeah, got got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
And then later I got to do Crossroads with Pat.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Benatar, which was and when it all comes back, unbelievable.
Was that like one of the coolest Yeah, for sure
for me, if I get to hang out with people
that I loved as a kid, it's way cooler than
somebody that could be massive, like in celebrity stature. Yeah,
but for me to be able to I remember like
John Michael Montgomery right, like he's been over here and
we and to him, he's just John and loves in Kentucky,
(32:33):
drove down listens to the show. But I'm like, I
don't know if I need to remind you you're Joe
Michael mcumber. Like that to me is super cool because
as a kid listen to a lot. Yeah, and so
for you to be able to do that, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
It was awesome, and it was so surreal because I
thought to myself, Okay, never in a million years would
I have dreamed that I would be on stage with
Pat Benatar singing her songs. But then also, I have
songs that she's going to learn and sing. That's so
that's even beyond like but no, I'm it's not lost
on me. Like when I was standing on the stage
(33:06):
a couple of weeks ago with Winona and Tanya Tucker
and me, and I'm like and Tanya, you know, like
put her arm around me, like, oh my god, what
am I doing here? Like, yeah, it's so crazy. And
when you kind of allow yourself to look at it
that way.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, that's super cool. The penetrators, how long do you
guys play before you stop penetrating?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It was pretty short lived. It seemed like a long time,
but I think it was probably I don't know, because
I moved to Wichita to singing another band five nights
a week at a club when I was probably eighteen,
so maybe eight months a.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Year at eighteen? Did you kind of have it figured
out somehow? Someway you were going to sing, like, oh yeah,
did you know you would go to Nashville eventually or
was it let's just see where it takes me.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I always dreamed of making records and doing, you know,
doing the big thing, but I couldn't at that point
in my life eighteen nineteen twenty, really settle on country music.
I was kind of reb I was kind of like
singing all kinds of music. So I was singing with
this cover band. I was singing everything from Maretha Franklin
to Whitney Houston to Madonna to you know, just whatever
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was on the radio at the time, plus some classics
like that. And I love that too. So I was like,
I don't know if I'm really ready to go and
do country music full time. And I had an aha moment.
I had to quit singing for a while because I
was I was like waiting tables and singing in clubs
five nights a week, and I started to get like
some vocal fatigue and that they did a scope and said,
you know, you don't have nodules, but there it's not
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looking good. You should probably take some time off from singing.
So I did, and in the meantime. Of course, I
couldn't just completely take out hanghop sing, so I started
singing harmony vocals in this country band, these two brothers
called the Faler Brothers that played locally, so I'd go
and sit in and sing harmony. And then I started
singing with my dad's band a little bit again, and
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we did a battle of the bands, which is so weird.
We never did that the entire time I was growing up,
me and my dad and that band. Yeah, And it
was at a club and it was in Wichita, and
we did this battle of the bands, and something clicked
for me, like a light bulb went off, and I said.
One of the DJs that was judging the contest actually
(35:21):
said to me, I don't know what you're going to
do with your singing, because I know you singing a
lot of other stuff, but I hope you decide to
sing country music, because you know that would be really great.
And I that comment coupled with the experience of singing
that music again and realizing how important the lyrics were,
how important the singer is, it just felt like home
(35:42):
to me. I said to my mom. She was there.
She ran the soundboard actually for the band, and I said,
I think I've made a decision. I'm going to move
to Nashville and pursue a career in country music. And
I told my I asked, you know, didn't tell my husband.
Maybe I kind of did. I think I said I
want to move to Nashville. And he had a local
sound company that was doing you know, local sound and
(36:03):
touring a little bit regionally, and he was like, all right,
let's go, and he moved his entire sound company. We
didn't know. We knew John k from Steppenwolf because John
had worked with him and toured with him doing monitors,
but we really didn't know anybody, and we talk about
naive like I would go. I knew I had to
find songs, so I'd go to these publishing companies and
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walk up down walk up and down music row and
knock on the door and say I'm a singer and
I want to get a record deal. Can you play
me some songs that I can record for demos? And
they're like, sure, come on in.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Like it was so odd that they were probably slightly
welcoming but confused. Yeah, like this is really not how
it works, but okay.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
You no, right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Wow? So Okay, were you married. You were married at
the time, Yeah, you and your husband, So how long
had you been married there before we moved.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
We got married in May of nineteen eighty eight and
we moved here January of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
That's a that's a pretty adventurous first year and a half.
So you get here, you don't know anybody, You're walking
up and down. How did you even know music? Rode
was a thing? Though?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, we ran into we came down before we moved
and made a demo and actually we went in to
see this guy at a publishing company that John k
had known, so it's kind of like a friend of
a friend, and sat down with him and played him
a demo that we had made back in Kansas, and
he said, that's not good. That's not going to cut it. Like,
you know, that's not good enough. You need to find real,
(37:27):
real musicians. It was recording a warehouse. It was like,
really echoey. He's like, you need to find a studio records.
And he gave us a list of names of people
that maybe could help us do that, studio musicians, and
John made a couple of calls and I think the
third person he called was a bass player named Mike Chapman,
who said, yeah, I got a friend Lonnie Wilson, who's
(37:48):
a drummer played on sons of my records. Do you
know Lonnie? I know, yeah, so great. And he said
he's got a studio in his like rec room or
garage or whatever. How about tonight, pap put a little
band together. You can come out because we were only
in town for like three days. And I went out
there and we recorded I don't need a couple of
original songs that one of the one of the musicians
had said here, you can record these songs. And I
(38:09):
was like, I like these songs, and and I took
it back to the guy the next day and he said, yeah,
that's good enough. That's that's a real demo, right, So
so yeah, it was It was just it was just
like meant to be.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I guess what sounds very divine in that the battle
of bands happens whether you had jarraha moment where somebody
happened to be there and go, hey, I would like
to give you affirmation that what you're doing here is
the right thing. Like all those little particles came together
and then you knew somebody that knew somebody in that
(38:44):
person first of all, not only helped let's do it tonight,
but it's also like still that same game. He's still
in your life.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Mean all of that's not coincidental, right, but pretty cool
that when the dominoes fell, we weren't afraid to kind
of go with them, because that's also brave. Yeah, you
know here you are, you're I don't know how how
old are you at this time? Two? Okay, I'll make
a demo with guests due twenty three, maybe musicians here.
(39:13):
How did you feel singing with experts? Did that? Because again,
they're the bad They're they're doing studio work. You gotta
be really good to do that kind of stuff. Yeah,
did you think about that at all? Or are you
just like I can saying, let's go.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't remember I journaled, I have to look up.
I got to go. I said, I'm going to go
back through and read all of my journals because your
perception of things and how it really happened are different.
But I think I was probably just nervous and blown
away and kind of like, but let's do this. You know,
it's kind of quite equal parts of because you know,
I was in my element musically but out of my
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element situationally, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
So I don't know, you come back with that demo
do you when you move here, do you start passing
it around? Are you duplicating it? Or are you like, Okay,
this will get me into another room where I can
then record even more or or.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
So yeah, I think we ended up borrowing some money
to move here, and we set up this was like
a two song demo. So the song the next demo
that we made was the one where the songwriter said, here,
record these songs, and we went to we went to
Fireside I think, and recorded the tracks for like five songs,
(40:23):
which I just found that demo the other day, by
the way, and then we were Then we went to
the Music Mill, which is was a big studio here
at the time, and recorded the vocals and then we
so we pitched that around to every record company. Got
turned down by everybody.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Why.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I don't know. They just said, we're not looking it's
not what we're looking for.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Standard answer, it ain't for us.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, And then I made a second demo. This is
all all within about a year year and a half,
and John was out as production manager for garth At
that he'd got that job in the meantime, and so
I made it. We made a second demo and I
Mike Chapman, the original bass player guy, said you know
what you need to do. Somebody had told me at
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a publishing companies I sing in demos. They said, we
think we hear that RCA is looking to sign a
female artist, and I was like, okay. So Mike Chapman said,
you need to put your demo in an envelope and
you need to write they don't just take stuff off
the street, which I didn't know. You got to write
on their requested material and put a phone number on it.
(41:24):
And I was like all right. So I went down
to Kinko's and I got this bright purple envelope and
I wrote I think John actually wrote requested material Martina
McBride and a phone number. And about three weeks later
we got a phone call from Josh Leo, the head
of A and R at the label, and they wanted
to see a showcase. And we heard through the grape
vine there was like me and two or three other girls.
So we put together a band and we went to
(41:45):
acea clubs. We did a showcase and they came back
that night and said, come in tomorrow and you've got
a record deal.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Why all did that advice of just write requested material
on there so they'll think that they actually were the
ones who wanted this, that that act that that paid off.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It worked.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Obviously it was you who closed. But sometimes you can
have all the talent in the world, but if you
don't have a way to get that talent to where
it needs to go, it's a tree falling in the woods. Yeah,
that is so crazy. He's I just write requested material
and I'll just believe they wanted it and that they
were the ones that were in control the whole time.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, and that's it worked. And you know, on my
I think my fortieth birthday, Randy Talmage, the head of
A and R, gave me that envelope. He'd saved it
all those years and he framed it and gave it
to me and now I think it's in my Hall
of Fame exhibit. So it's yeah, it's it's wild.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I mean, I just think that some things are meant
to be and if you can meet it, you know,
if you have enough enough determination and sort of passion
and perseverance to meet it where it is. You know,
then it's then it, like you said, the dominoes start
to fall.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and it's okay to fall with him, I can
tell you.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
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Speaker 2 (43:00):
So you've been married thirty five or so years almost
so got married for the first time, but a year ago,
never been married, was never engaged, was never in a
serious anything. Ever, She's the first person ever told that
I loved, because she was the first person I loved. Right,
So I'm a little stunned in that part of my
life because I was just so dedicated to my career
(43:21):
and met her and it's been a year, year, a
year and a half or so. What is there is?
I know there's no universal key. You can't give me
a key to the city, and I open every door
with it. What is it? What's the secret that's not
that secret that is just right in front of me.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I think it's determination and deciding. You kind of decide
I'm gonna stick with. I mean, unless there's abuse or
you know, if it's just really not healthy, that's a
whole different thing.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
But like, if it's healthy and you found your person
who wants to grow with you and encourages you and
you it makes you laugh every day and has a
sense of adventure and all some of the really important things,
then you just decide we're in this. And there's going
to be times when you know, maybe you go, oh
my god, what have I done? You know what I
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mean for him and me? But you go that passes,
It passes, you talk about it, or maybe it was
just a mood or a season, and then you just
you know, you then you start to have all these
shared experiences and I don't know, I think you honestly,
I think you just decide to be dedicated to it
if it's a good relationship.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Whenever your success really started to grow, and as a
new artist that has a bit of momentum, you're gone.
A lot people think new artists are making tons of
money and new artists are out grinding harder than anybody.
Oh yeah, making no money. How was that for the
relationship with you and your husband? Was that a really
hard time or was he able to take what he
(44:49):
does and take that along?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
A little bit of both? So he was my sound
engineer on the road, so he did. We did travel
together and we still do that. Really may I think
made things easier than if it would have been a
different situation because we get to share everything together. We've
kind of grown through this together. And but when we
were first getting when I first got a record deal,
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he tells the story of how, you know, he was
kind of like my manager for lack of not really,
but you know what I mean, he was like the
biggest he wrote on the envelope, he went and dropped
it off. He was like a big supporter and so
you know, we go do this thing. RCIA used to
have this thing during country radio seminar that was like
a boat show. So he went on this General Jackson
boat and all of the radio people were there and
(45:35):
it was like a showcase, like you did your new
material or whatever. So the first time I went on there,
my promo guy, my radio guy, came and got me
and said, I want to take your run and introduce
you to some people. And John says, it's like you
just like you just left with the real people, you
know what I mean, left and he was kind of
(45:55):
left standing there, and also a lot of people weren't.
He had to go through a lot of things where
till people would get to know him and respect him
and not see him as the husband that was going
to be in the way, or you know, all of
those stereotypes that people have. So it was I would
say it was harder for him than me. But you know,
once people spend any time with him and recognize his
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talent and his passion and his heart, you know then
that that came around.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Nineteen ninety three. You get inducted into the Grand ol Opry.
You mentioned Loretta al in earlier. She's the one who
does it. What do you remember about that night?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
It was part of a television special. It's like an
anniversary of the Opry. And Loretta's so funny. She came,
she came to do the rehearsal and they gave you.
They gave me a plaque and she said, well, during rehearsal,
she said, is this is this what I'm supposed to
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give you? This is what you get for joining the opry?
And I said, yeah, I guess so, and so she said.
She kind of laughed, and during the ceremony she said,
welcome to the Opry, honey, this is what you get.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That's super cool. That it was her and she's the
one like just first of anything with her. Yeah, but
she's the one inducting you into the greatest country music
space in the history of the world, the Grand Ole Opry.
Like what a special memory. Did you know that she
was going to be inducting you before like rehearsals with it,
because sometimes you know, they the invite is a surprise.
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Was that a surprise to you?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, but they didn't do it like they did.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
They didn't just show up and surprise you at the performance.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I went to lunch with the head of the Opry
and he asked me at lunch, and and then and
then I got to I got to invite. I got
to ask who I wanted to induct me.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So I so you chose right now? Okay, man, being
told at lunch by someone who an executive is like
being proposed to on the phone. It was like, I mean,
you're still getting married and that's awesome, but you didn't
even get on a knee.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I don't think they did it like that back then.
Now I love how they do it now where they
I got to be that person for Charlie Daniels. I
got to ask him to join the opry.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
And he didn't know you were there. You guys kept
it completely secret.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's that's the greatest, those videos where people are surprised.
Just through that, I would say the history, because you're right,
they didn't do it like that twenty five years ago.
I think like twenty years Yeah, they started doing it
a little bit. But those videos where people get surprised
and oh my god, they're awesome. Only second to whenever
somebody from military comes home and surprizes are kids. I
love those video and those are good too. What I
don't like when they show the videos of the dogs
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with one eye and said on McLoughlin sings those videos,
that don't like it. I like what they're doing. I
just don't like those videos. Yeah, Like you know what
comes to me? You sign a record deal ninety one?
How fast until you actually take off and have a
hit from the moment you signed, until you're on the
radio and you got a number one song.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah it was a second record. I didn't have a
number one song to the third record. Wild Angels was
my first number one. Actually just happened the other day.
I think it was in nineteen ninety six, So it
took six five or six years to really get to
that place. But I befo four Wild Angels, I had
Independence Day and I had my.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
First three Independence Day. Wasn't a number one.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Song, No, it was number ten.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Maybe again, I'm just the consumer here. The song that
I would know you for the most Yeah, it wasn't
even a number one song, right.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
That's a whole story. Like, you know, we had a
lot of resistance at radio with that song because the
subject matter, and I think it was really because she
burned the house down, you know, it was like she
was taking she took action that just didn't set very
well with a lot of radio people.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Bizarre.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
And so it's funny because I was so passionate about
that song, like it literally changed my life, not career
only career wise, but just my awareness and my you know,
wanting to try to help some way, and all the
letters that I got and the people that I talked
to and heard their stories and it was so big
for me. And so my probone guy once again, Mike Wilson,
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came to me and he said, I think we're losing
the song. I don't think that it's gonna And I
was like, what how is this possible? And he goes, well,
there's there's you know, maybe twenty stations that won't won't
refuse to play it. And I said, can I talk
to them? Can you give me their numbers? And I
want to have a conversation and he was like, uh sure,
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I guess, like that's not usually done, but I guess so.
And so I got on the phone with these guys
and I was just like, talk to me, like, tell
me what is it? And some of them would say,
we just don't think it's appropriate that it's on our station.
And I said, and oddly enough, this is right. Independence
date came out maybe seven weeks before Nicole brown Sinson
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was murdered, so all of a sudden it was on
that story was everywhere, and so I was I said,
you know, it's interesting because you're talking about domestic violence
every day, several times a day on your newscast, right,
yet you don't feel like this song can can be
listened to or whatever. And I turned a couple few
of them around. There were ten stations that never did
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play it, but but I was able to they would
give it a chance. You know. One guy said to
me that video like if I'm sitting with my daughter
and that video comes on. Then I have to talk
to her and explain things, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, dude, that's.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Maybe not a bad idea. So it was interesting. It's
just a different time, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Is it when people just think that song is about
fourth of July. Yeah, like on fourth of July, you
hear the song and no, it's not the same thing.
I got talking about literal Independence Day of America. Yeah,
because sometimes it'd be like, it's your July fourth playlist,
oh all the every year, yeah, yeah, and Independence Day
comes on.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
I think I think that's what you were talking about earlier,
how sometimes you can just sing a song for years
and not really ever. You kind of just sing the
chorus and you're distracted during the verses or whatever. Because
I think a lot of people don't know what that
song is about still, but then so many people do,
And that's you know, that's the song that I've heard
and thought to myself, somebody needs to hear this song.
(51:57):
This is going to be the song for somebody. Yeah,
you know, So then I get letters people saying that's
what I got in the car and I heard that
song on the radio and that's I decided I'm out
of here. I've had enough, right, So it's like that's
the power. That's not me. That's the power of music
and the power of a song.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Three questions for you when you finally win for female vocalist,
because you grew up a couple of times in like
the late nineties, but in like maybe two thousand and
three or so, I think you won the first time
three in a row. By the way, it was like bam,
bam bam.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah it was nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Is that you won a ninety nine? Okay, so the
first time you win, and you'd always been able to
envision yourself winning, did you have that moment while it
was happening where you're like, I've always like it while
it was happening, like I always could see this and
now it's actually happening.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, kind of. Yeah, it was like not an out
of body experience, but like it's so okay, I want
to say this and have it come off as in
a conceded way because I'm not. But and it's not
where it's coming from. But like, like it goes back
to what I was saying before, you kind of have
to believe it. You kind of have to believe it
otherwise all of the rejection and the and the being
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away from home, the traveling and the recording and all
of the stuff that you do is you know, you
have to believe it's going to pay off in that
moment as as in that moment. So you know, there
was a I don't know, maybe it might have been
even four or five years we were nominated and didn't win,
and and you just go, what's going to happen. It's
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going to happen.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
So you still believed it was gonna happen. Oh yeah, yeah,
when you got that close and didn't.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, because it was too maybe premature, Like I feel
like we One thing I'm really that was a good
feeling for me was when we finally won. I felt
like we'd been around long enough to kind of deserve
it in a way, and my team, you know, everybody
that works so hard, they it was rewarding. It was
just kind of like, I'm so glad it didn't happen
too fast. I'm so glad. I feel like I'm kind
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of in the industry and that people really wanted me
to win. Maybe so, but yeah, there's that moment where
you go, well, this is it, you.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Know, the first time is that you didn't win. Are
you like listening for and is it deflating or is it?
Do you really feel anytime I ever lose, I'm the
honored to be there, right, I'm like this sucked?
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Or are you honored just to be there? And You're
like I'll get him next time? Like what?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Like Yeah, I was kind of like that. I was
really because I would look at the category and the
other females in the category and I was just like wow, Wow,
like it's so amazing that I'm even in the same
like these people even know. I remember when I walked
past Alan Jackson one time at an award show, probably
the first CMA Awards that I went to, and he's
in the front row and I walked by him and
kind of, you know, I was I'm not I'm kind
of an introvert, really honestly extroverted introvert. Same so I'm
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not the kind of I'm always the kind of person
that doesn't want to go up to somebody and introduce myself.
I don't want to bother them, you know what I mean.
But I walked past him and I just kind of
looked at him and thought to myself, oh my god,
that's Alan Jackson. And he said I love your stuf,
and I was like, oh my god, Alan Jackson knows
who I am and has heard my music. What in
the world you know? So it's it was like that.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
I don't think you came off. You can see it
at all. And I'm a big believer in what I
would call a healthy arrogance because if I don't have it,
if I don't believe in me so much, nobody else
is going to yeah, like I have to because at
times other people are gonna go yeah or nope or
I don't know, prove it. But if I don't believe
in me and I don't believe what I'm putting out
is worth people buying a ticket if I'm doing a
comedy show or spending twenty minutes with me in the
morning or reading a book, if I don't believe it
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and I don't believe it's great, nobody else will.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
So I have to be that, and I have no problem.
It's just for me at times, I think I get
so insecure that that healthy arrogance tends to come off
the other way because I'm so insecure that it's like, well,
I got approved everybody that I don't take any crap,
and let's let's go. That's my problem. When things started
to really pop for me, I had to There were
a couple of times where I had to be like, whoa,
we got to check yourself. Luckily I have that awareness.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I was going to say, you're aware of it.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Luckily, yeah, did When did you ever have to have
that talk with you? It's a weird question to ask
where you're like, oh, it's hidden now, like let's make
sure we make these some wise decisions, not because.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Of an arrogance thing or insecurity really, but you know,
I just it took me a really long time to
realize that I had some power. Like you know, nobody
tells you that when you start out. They're like, there's
all kinds of people that want you to do what
they think you should do. And I mean everybody from
video directors to art directors to producers to everybody executives.
(56:31):
And it took I think it was my husband actually
that said, you know you they're kind of working for
you in a way, And I was like, oh my god. Yeah,
so then you kind of you can kind of assert
your power over your creativity and your own persona and
how you're see you over yourself, and that that can
get pretty heady. So sometimes I feel like, especially I
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don't you know, as a woman, I kind of had
to check that a little bit just to not alienate everyone.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Makes sense, Absolutely, it does. My final question is kind
of a two parter. If you go to your home.
Inside your home, what is your favorite professional picture that
you have that if somebody could stumble across it's in
a frame somewhere. And what is your favorite personal picture
that you have that somebody could just stumble across and
be like, oh, look at this, Oh you're duck hunting.
I don't know what it is, but give me both
of them.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Okay, Well, I don't really have any professional pictures that
we framed.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
But nothing like you had to do it, singing at
the Opry, anything at all, any not in my house.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
But a friend of mine, Nathan Chapman, I think it
has been on this show.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
I love him. Yeah, I saw him. We played with
shot the Ryemea. Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
He's an amazing human being and my favorite bass player
really no offense to all the other bass players out there,
but he's so good and he's a great singer and
a musician, and I just love him. I can't say
enough good things. But he also, because he's good at
everything he does, is an amazing photographer. So he called
me up a few weeks ago and said, can I
jump on your bus and just I just want to
come out and shoot photos. I was like absolutely, So
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he took this photo of me to actually one me
going up the stairs to the stage and it's kind
of blurring out of focus. It's so iconic. And then
another one of me on stage from the back, which
is my best angle, by the way, and and there's
nothing for me to critique or pull pick apart. It's
like it's the back of my head. My hair looks good,
it's fine. And so that picture and I haven't got
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him framed yet, but he made me huge prints, like
like as big as that when you have here, So
I'm I'm probably gonna frame a couple.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Of That's sup. What about personally?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
My one of my favorite pictures is my picture with Loretta.
I have a couple of snapshots with her that I
have framed, and I just look at I walk by
them and just think, I just was so lucky to
know her, so lucky to know her, you know. And
then of course I've got pictures with my kids when
they were from all all through their whole you know,
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their whole lives. I've got some newborn pictures with all
of them, So you know, that's personally. I guess when
I say, when you said personal picture and I me
and Loretta, that did feel like a personal relationship to me.
So but that's probably more in the professional category. So
pictures of me with my kids would be the second one.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
So you're doing shows if you in May and in June.
Now you're taking a break right now though for the
most part, that's what you're saying. Are you going back
out in the fall? Is that Ben announce yet? No? Okay,
putting that together, I don't want to go to tour jail,
so I'm not going to push know what's up.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I just decided this year to take a little bit more,
try to tour a little smarter because we were for
the past since COVID, since since touring started back up again,
we were really hitting it every single weekend, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
every single week, maybe with a week off here or there,
and it just gets to be so discombobulating. There's all
there's always this first of all, I'm a real homebody.
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I love to be at home, but I love to tour.
But there's this re entry that comes every time I
come on off the road. There's about a day where
it just takes a minute to get settled in in
the groove, and that's just jarring, and nothing ever gets unpacked,
and everything's I'm transporting things back and forth. And so
this year I said I kind of wanted to work
in chunks, so we did the Judge tour. We've got
(01:00:07):
April and May off, no March and April off, and
then we were working in May, June, a little bit
in June, July. Then we're going to do a tour
in the summer in the fall for probably fifteen dates,
and then we always do a Christmas tour, so we'll
probably end up doing the same amount of shows, but
they're just spread out a little more.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
It's been a real treat. I appreciate you coming and
just talking with me about like the stuff that I
don't have to get to hear from you, Like I
want to know about Sharon. Yeah, I want to know
about your mom and your dad, and so I hadn't
heard this. So I really appreciate you taking an hour
and spending it and absolutely sharing that with me. That's
that's the coolest thing for me to get to do this.
So if you want to get tickets, you go to
Martina McBride dot com or go to our socials quite
(01:00:43):
the Instagram following. I must say, you gotta kill it
over there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It's fun at Martina McBride. And then the final final question,
do you still love singing?
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I do? Yeah, I do. I mean I do, And
I think I'm learning to love it in a different way.
For a long time, it was just this thing I did,
and it was just this I sort of had complete
control over it. I don't, honestly, I took it for granted.
But you know, now I'm older, I've gone through a
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couple of vocal issues which I've been resolving, and I
appreciate it more and I think I'm more connected to
it in a in a different way. And I think
the next few years, I'm going to enjoy it more
than ever.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Well, thank you for your time. This has been a
real treat for me. I guess that's it, right, Mike,
all the stats and stuff we read before you got here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I'm glad you didn't know what I was here.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah. Well, we didn't want you to get to cocky,
you know, So all right, Martina McBride, Everybody, I love
this episode of The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
Subscribe on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.
I just didn't get it, not until I think years
later when somebody said something I was like, oh my god.
I was just like, yeah, the penetrators will penetrate you
with our music.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Episode three eighty eight, Martina McBride wit what Again? Good job, Mike,
I know you worked on this one for a while. Yeah,
super cool. I've never spent a whole lot of time
talking with Martina. I've talked to her occasionally, like we're
somewhere at the same place or music, but I never
just sat with her. I don't think she I've ever
interviewed her. I've never met her, never even seen her
(00:39):
until this, so you didn't know if she was real. Nah,
it's awesome. So at Martina McBride if you want to
follow her on Instagram and TikTok. I mean, there's just
so much shit, all these number ones. Obviously you're gonna
walk through some of them. Yeah, nineteen ninety five, Wild
Angels nineteen ninety seven, A Broken Wing nineteen ninety seven,
(01:04):
Wrong Again nineteen ninety nine, I Love You two thousand
and one, Blessed two thousand and three. This one's for
the girls. What's Crazy is like her biggest songs weren't
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number ones. Yeah, like if you talk about Concrete Angel
or Independence Day, like those songs are still played today
and they weren't number one at the time. So just
her songs and weren't number one were massive, So super cool.
You can go check her out on the road Martine
McBride dot com. She's in Louisiana, Misissippi, Alabama, Kentucky all
coming up May through June four CMA Vocalists of the
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Year awards three consecutively. She became Remember the Opera in
nineteen ninety five, sold over twenty three million albums, and
just super cool to have her come over and talk
an hour. I don't know, I liked it and you've
been killing it. But we had a great Chase Rice
episode and then a great Martina mc rite episode. Good ones. Yeah,
we're on a two streak too. I don't know, I
just forget who that was awesome too, But I just
(02:12):
forget Hailey Witters. Oh yeah, that Haley one was good too.
All right, enjoy Martina McBride. So a couple of things
and if you want to wear those, you can. You
don't have to. We may play a song or something, okay,
but you don't you definitely don't have to a couple
of things. I was talking to my wife, she's a
massive fan of yours, and she was like someone in
like her fifth grade talent show saying, concrete Angel fifth grade. Wow,
(02:35):
that's what I said, And she said she was singing
a lot of your songs. She goes, you know, someone
in a fifth grade talent show. They didn't really know
what it meant. They just liked the songs, so they
got up and sang concrede Angel, and nobody really told
the girl it was a very serious song, which again,
that is a very serious song. But there's a kid
singing in a talent show thinking it's like a happy song.
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That would be a peculiar situation if you really know
what the song's about, like to see a kid or
anybody or just somebody's screaming. I don't know what half
the songs are. I sing along too, right, So when
you have a song like that, do you have to
treat it extra sensitively in performance? Even as well because
it is and at least in my mind a lot
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of other folks who've seen the video, who know the song,
do you have to treat it a certain way as
well whenever you perform it.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, well, it's interesting. First of all, you said that
about the child singing it, because it's really super popular
with little kids, and I think that they don't understand
completely what it's about, but I think they they it's
about a child, right, you know, so it's some part
of them relates to it and is empowered by it,
I guess. But yeah, when I'm singing that song, it's
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I don't do it live in the show very much anymore,
but it is kind of like it's not a downer,
but you know what I mean, it's like very serious.
So and when I was recording it, when I chose
I was, I went back and forth. I think I
listened to it for the album before and then finally
just said, I have to record this song. It's so good.
(04:08):
But yeah, you have it's there's a sensitivity to it,
for sure, you know, you kind of I try not
to look into the audience because if I see somebody emotional,
I get emotional, so you know. But yeah, there's a
sensitivity to those kind of songs. When you perform them,
you have to have that.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I would also think, and this is just a theory
you can hit me and tell me I'm wrong if
you've performed that song ten thousand times or something that
I do over and over and over again. Although I
know the impact of the meaning, if you do it
a whole lot, it just starts to be a part
of a process and that you'd have to read because
there are times there have been like news stories, but
(04:44):
you have to recheck yourself and go, Okay, this is
the one time somebody's gonna see me do this. I
can't There can't be any snickers or anything right, right,
even though I've done it ten thousand times, And I'm like,
you got to treat this as serious as you possibly can,
because somebody that's just seeing you do it once, you
gotta do it like they feel a the song.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, there's a responsibility there. I will say that after
I have to check in every once in a while.
I'm kind of in the process of doing that now,
of really going through all of the lyrics and really
start because I have two months off from the road,
and my part of my process this two months off
is really going to be reconnecting with those lyrics again.
(05:20):
Because You're right, it does get to be not just
a performance, but like, you know, you really have to
check in and make sure that you understand the seriousness
of the lyric, even if it's a happy song, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So like that too, same yeah, yeah, where it's if
you just do it something over and over and over,
regardless of what it is, it just becomes part of
the process. And I have to do it too, you know,
even with the happy That's a great point. We do
a segment on our show that we've done for like
fifteen years. It's all about positivity, and I have to
remember because sometimes I hate doing this segment because I've
just done it so many times. Yeah, and we get
(05:53):
all this research back and it's like number one testing
number one, and I have to go, you know what,
some people are only hearing this twice a week, right,
and I need to approach it like it's the only
time they're going to hear this, and I need to
feel great about it. But yeah, I want you to
do it so many times? Why because I didn't know that.
Why the process with the song? You know, you didn't
(06:13):
choose it and then you chose it later, Like what
were you bouncing between?
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I just think the heaviness of it, I think I
can't remember chronologically where that song came in my body
of work, but I feel like probably after some I'd
probably had a few heavy songs before that, you know,
I had a Independence Day, Broken Wing and so and
Love's the Only House and just some things, and I
think that I just thought, Wow, this is maybe heavier
(06:40):
than any of those because it's about it well, I
guess Independence Days about a child too, But you know,
it's it's definitely hard hitting and very honest, and there's
no kind of skating around it with the lyric. You know,
it's really just it's real hard, It's it's real and
it's real life for some people. And so I just
kind of thought, but I don't know, man, I do
(07:02):
that sometimes with songs I'm Gonna Love You Through. It
was the same way. I just kind of hesitated for
a minute, except that is how is how is this
gonna be? Like? Is anybody really want to sit through this?
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And then like a set list of like or a record?
What are you thinking to?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
What on the record?
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (07:21):
You know? And I just but at the end of
the day, I just thought to myself, I have to
you know it Just then it just becomes sort of
you have to listen to your gut and I'm like,
I have to record this song. And it was released
as a single, of course and was a hit. So
it's like that is a different I think we have
a different landscape, you know now. I don't know if
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Concrete Angel was released in twenty twenty three, if it
would have ever get played on the radio.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I don't know, because I think now authenticity wins. It
doesn't even have to be the sonically the best song anymore,
as long as like people believe that it's real, even
if it's real stupid, if it's presenter real stupid. But
I think it is, so I don't think it would
be a hit. I think it would be a hit
now to be readout, the landscape is so different. But
I do think the honesty of it still holds true
(08:08):
to today because sometimes we'll play it. I don't pick
a lot of the music that we're playing because we're
doing a national show, but it'll come on occasionally three
or four of your songs and I'm like, dang, this
song still hits like it still has. Yeah, you're watch
an allD movie or an old TV show like mash
will come on and I'm like, you know, it didn't
quite hold up, but I could see why then it
was good.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Yeah, But with some of the especially Concrete Angel Independence Day,
you kind of get the same feeling like like like
that's it. Did you ever worry about maybe worries not
the word having so many serious songs that you then
would become the series the person who sang all the
serious songs like type cast even I.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Don't know if consciously that was a thought process. I
don't know if that if I kind of, you know,
interpreted it that way, but I think that was. Yeah,
maybe that's part of the hesitation of recording another one
of those kind of songs.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I never thought that about you until you started to
list them all off together, because I know your body
work just listening to it through my life. Never once
that I go, you know, Martine, she does all those
serious songs really but it's right. But that's consumer versus
the person who's living it every single day.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Whenever you're doing your set, now, like what's the biggest
pop when, when, when, what song starts? What notes it?
And everybody knows this is it, This is.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
The loudest for sure. Broken Wing and Independence Day, but
this is for the Girls gets really good response. It's
just such a lift in the show. You know. I
think we do it right after Love's the Only House
and it's just this that guitar dan huff guitar riff
starts and everybody's you know. I always say, you know,
this is for all my girls out there, and everybody
just stands up and sings along, and it's a real
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high high point in the show.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
I would stand up a sing along too, and you'd
be like, you're not a girl. But you know, I'd
be like, that's tough. I'm here. I love it. So
I'm going that's so.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Funny you say that, because I always say I look
out there every night and there's inevitably like the biggest
man let burliest guy just standing up and singing at
the top of his lung and I'm like, I love you.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
That would be me, except without the manly and burly part.
But I would be up there singing at the top
of my lungs. I was talking to a friend earlier today.
We were up at the radio studio, the other one
and I said, Hey, Martinez, gonna come by, And I
expected her to say because she went wow. She like
lit up a little bit. I thought she would be like, wow,
I love this song. She went right to your cookbooks.
Really yeah, and she was like, I love Do you
(10:26):
have two? Okay? She said, I love I don't know
which one. And that was the first thing she thought
about whenever I said your name was was your ventures
into cooking, And so how much time do you spend
with that now, even recreationally? Do you still cook and
love to cook every day?
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Really as much as I can every day If I'm
home off the road for only like three days and
somebody wants to invite us out to dinner, or I'm
like kind of bummed because I'm like, ah, that's one
night I don't get to cook.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I love to cook.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I love it, and it's so I'm so lucky, you know,
that I've found another passion. Some people only get one
passion in their life and one sort of thing that
they can give, and I'm just really lucky that I
found that. I just love to cook and I love
you know, I'm thinking about writing another cookbook. And it
seems like lately, just lately, like maybe in the past
(11:21):
month or two, it started people have started to really
resonate with that part of me. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Do you keep notes in your phone if like, oh,
this would be a cool recipe or this would be
something cool to do in a cookbook, the same way
you would if you have a song idea.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I'm a paper and pen girl,
So I like, I sit down and write down.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
This chicken pop pie.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, I write like what changes I want to make
next time? But I'll tell you that I don't want
to get off on cooking because it's not everybody's. But
like I started out, first of all, I'm not a
trained cook, so I'm not a chef. I'm like a
home cook, and I am still learning every day. But
I started out just following that recipe, you know what
I mean, Like if it says half a teaspin of salt,
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I'm going to put a half a teasment assault. I'm
not varying from any of this. And then now it's
so much more fun because I've cooked enough and I've
had enough experience to really be able to riff, you know,
so I can say, well, I want to add some
tarragon to this chicken salad, or I want to you know,
I think that this would maybe I want to cook
it even prepare it a different way because I know
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techniques now a little bit better.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Sounds like you play jazz when you cook because you're
so comfortable and that key and you can just kind
of you can you can riff it, yeah on whatever,
and that's that's.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Kind of what makes it fun, is when you can
use your instinct and experience to create and make it
your own. And I think so many people are intimidated
by cooking, you know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I am really yeah, and by people who can do
it really well, both because it's an art. And my
grandma was a great cook and she had to learn
how to cook because she grew up and the you know,
the depression, and you know, she had to find things
and learn how to make them halfway decent. So she
was great when she actually had real ingredients, and so
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she was awesome. My wife is such a good cook
that when I met her, she was like, I'll cook dinner.
And I laughed because I'm like, yeah, you're pretty, you
probably don't cook, and she's like fantastic. But like you,
she now has the ability to go, well, let's try
a little bit of this, a little bit of that,
because she was raised cooking. Yet that's an intimidating thing.
Somebody who can really like chef it up because it's
(13:28):
an art science to it as well. And I'm terrible
at it, so that's also why it's intimidating. Like I've tried.
I made cookies the other night. This is not even cooking,
this is baking. Well, let me tell you the story.
There are cookies in a pack. Oh, I literally have
to just put them on a plate for pre eat
the oven too, like three p fifty put him in.
(13:49):
I put him in. I'm looking at through a lot
to keep the light on. I know that keep the
light on. And while they're in there, I push them
and they're still so soft like that, we can't be done.
And so she says they're done. I said, I don't know.
There's still way soft because how long I've been there?
I said fifteen minutes. She goes, what's at eight? And
I said, yeah, but they're still soft. There's no way
they're done. She goes, no, you got to pull them
out and then they get hard. I didn't know that.
So I'll pull that and they're all burnt. Oh yeah, yeah,
(14:10):
I got I'm just an idiot.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Basically, when it comes to cooking, baking's harder. I wasn't
really baking the house literally just taking you were just
plopping things. I was just trying to count to eight
minutes and pull them out, and that didn't work. So
a third cookbook, huh yeah, what would be the difference?
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Like what would you do differently in this one?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
You know? That's the hardest part of a cookbook for
me is like, first of all, with anything that I
do creatively, I think this is a process for a
lot of people. Sometimes I have a really concrete idea,
like about why would I want a record to sound
like some of them? I'm like, I don't know, I
don't know, you know. Like so for me with a cookbook,
it's like where do I start? Like what everybody always wants?
(14:47):
An angle? Like is it a vegetarian cookbook? Is it
a thirty minutes and let under on the table cookbook?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Is it? You know?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
So I'm just kind of stuck as to what where
to start. I mean for me, like cookbooks are like
a collection of people's favorite recipes, which I think that's enough, right,
What did it have to happen? Isn't that the angle
could that be the angle?
Speaker 2 (15:05):
It could well, So my wife did some just she
moved here a pandemic, everybody was doing whatever just to
stay sane. And she's not someone who likes to be
on camera, but she loved to cook. So I as
it was like, hey, let's do some cooking videos and
I'll hop in some of them with you. And she did.
She did them really well, and she was like, I
don't really like to be on a camera, but well,
Food Network called her and they were like, they were like,
would you like the didn't offer a show or anything,
(15:27):
but they were like, what we like to do is
put people who are good on some of these panel
shows and they can like judge. And she was like, ah,
that's really not for me, like thank you, but you
know I appreciate that. And so I tried to learn
while she was doing it, you know, while she was cooking.
I tried to learn from her a little bit. But
it was also like what's the theme? She's like, I
don't know, Like what's the theme of this video? Like
(15:47):
everybody wants like a gimmick as to what we're going
to create, and now we're going to create it. And
when we got married, we got sent like three hundred
recipes from her family.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
That was like, there's a book right there. That's right.
I was like, that's the theme. We already have her
in four well to take credit for it. Yeah, Kleen's
family recipes. There, we go, stamp it there, you can
mail it off. You were out doing the Judge tour,
so were you filling in? Were you part of that
because I know there were some changes once the death happened.
(16:18):
Or were you already on that tour?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
I was already on the tour, so they asked me
back in the summer. Well, I don't know. I guess
we toured in the fall, so in the summer to
come on the every show and do forty five minutes
like a full set, like a full set before every show,
and then they were going to have well then it
was going to be one known in Naomi. And then
when Naomi passed, they restructured and had still wanted me
(16:41):
to be on every show, thank goodness, and then had
several other women fill in. So there was Kelsey Ballerini,
Ashley Judd, Trisha Yearwood, Brandy Carlisle, Tanya Tucker. I'm forgetting someone.
Faith was on a show and so you know, so
I got to Yeah, I got to be on every show.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
The story of Tanya Tucker and your dad like talking
to you. Yeah, because you grew up a Tanya Tucker fan,
I think, like most anybody, I grew up in rural Arkansas,
so you almost had to be Yeah, so what is
the story? I know you were in a family band
for a while, and so was that passed down through you?
That Tanda, that Tanya Tucker fandom. You know, was your
dad your mom fans?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, you know, I was. My dad had a cover
band that played on the weekends, and so we would
just play like whatever was on the radio. So I
sang in the band. I sang Texas when I you
know when I die, I may not go to heaven
Texas when I die, and a couple of her other songs.
And I went one of my first concerts actually was well,
I went. I think my first concert might have been
Alabama with my parents. But then I went to see
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We went to see Tania Tucker in this little town
in Kansas, about thirty miles from where I grew up.
And so I my mom passed three years ago, so
I called my dad every night since that, and so
I was on Tany asked me to come over her
bus after one of the shows, just a couple of
weeks ago, and so I said, I went over there
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and we were visiting. She's playing music. It was really,
really awesome, and I said I have to go because
I have to call my dad, and she goes, well,
let's call him. Call him up. I'd love to talk
to your dads. And it was so sweet.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
What you like, dad, or did you say, I don't know,
how do you set it up?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I think I just said, hey, dad, I've got you know,
And then she just jumped in.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
She's like, hey dad, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Hang ty the Bobby Cast. We'll be right back. Welcome
back to the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
What's Sharon, Kansas like?
Speaker 1 (18:39):
There's about one hundred and forty people that live there.
It's very rural. It's about ninety miles from Wichita, which
is the biggest city in Kansas. And it's just like
like like dirt streets, no stop lights. There's a couple
of maybe three churches. There's no grocery store, there are
no restaurant. Got to be a dollar store though, no,
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really no, no, it's tiny.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Wow, because I'm from a town of seven hundred and
we just got a dollar store there you go, and
then it turned into two dollar stores. Wow, not a
two dollars store, but two dollar stores that now compete
for that seven hundred people.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you had no how many traffic lights?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
None stop signs?
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I still we didn't have it.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
We have a traffic lights and dirt streets. There's a couple,
there's a couple of paved streets, but mostly the side
streets are all dirt streets.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What about the school did you have, like Sharon elementary.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
We had elementary through high school, and then like I
had ten people in my graduating class.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That is small. I thought forty. I had forty, and
I was, yeah, wow, that's a whole different level.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
We had thirty eight. The year I graduated, we had
thirty eight students in the whole high school bought student body.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Did they combine classes ever? No, there were ten people.
It was ten.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Class after me was five kids. And the year my
brother graduated he's two years younger than me, they shut
down the school and consolidated, which really was just the
end of really the end of the town because there
were no more team sports. Really in that town and
there were I don't know, the high school was really
the hub of the whole town.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
So so the band that you were in with your dad,
your family band was it called the Shifters? And so
was he a musician when he was younger? Did he
ever try, like I'm gonna give this the real try
to make it as an artist or was he always
just someone who loved it recreationally and got pretty good
at it?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I think so. I mean he was he was a
farmer as well, and a woodworker, built houses and things
like that, and he like entered some contests when he
was a kid, but just never really thought of actually
like picking up and moving to Nashville.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Is it because nobody else did it? So he didn't
know it was a real thing.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
I don't know, because that was nobody else I knew
did it either. But it was a whole different, you
know generation. But like I don't know why. I mean,
I think he was really really happy playing in that
local band. It was kind of a big deal. We
were like, you know, regionally respected, and we worked a lot,
and I think that, you know, that was that was
good for him, and I mean that was probably good
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enough for him.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
How was he when it came to you doing your
own thing? Support wise?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Very supportive. My parents were both very supportive. They always said,
you know, we didn't come from a lot of like
college graduates, so it was going to college wasn't really
that important. It was you know for me, I think
everybody we just always assumed that I would sing in
some capacity. And they always said when I when I
decided to move to Nashville, my husband and I decided
(21:33):
to move to Nashville, we'd just gotten married about a
year before that or two years. My parents were always like, look,
somebody's got to make it right. Like literally, maybe tomorrow
there's going to be a new artist that gets signed
and makes a record. Why couldn't it be you? If
you get in the right place at the right time,
and you work really hard, why not? Why not you?
And I was like, yeah, so think you know, probably
(21:57):
like you when you have when you have when you
grow up with something that you believe, it's just kind
of part of you. You have a confidence, you know,
especially when you're young. I have a confidence that I
could probably do.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
This little naive, little confidence. Yeah, it's a real lethal mix.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, And I think you have to see it, Like
I think you have to be able to visualize walk
Like for me, I always visualize walking up on CMA's
steps and accepting an award. You know, I think you
have to see it, otherwise you won't go for it, especially.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
If there's no one around you that can tell you
that it can be a reality.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Mm hm.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean in Mountain Pine, Arkansas, nobody left. We worked
at the mill, or you worked in Hot Springs. That
was it. And so there was never anybody that was like,
this is a reality. You can actually pursue it. But
at the same point, there was nobody said it. You couldn't.
It was just a TV thing. It was like fairy tale. Yeah,
probably like moving to Nashville. Yeah, but to have parents
that were so optimistic, yeah, like what an asset for
a kid?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah, oh absolutely. And you know, also just being able
to watch the CMA Awards or watch he Har or
watch whatever we watched and see you know, Loretta Lynn
and Tanya Tucker and Riba and all of these amazing
women doing that. I mean you just saw you saw
yourself there. You're like, well, I could do that. I mean,
she's from Oklahoma, you know, a little town in Oklahoma,
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little town in Kentucky, Like they came from small towns.
Why couldn't I do that?
Speaker 2 (23:19):
When you were singing as a kid, when did people
start to treat you special, like, oh, you're better than
other kids at that age doing that thing.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
It's interesting because you know, I'm very Kansas is very
Midwestern in a lot of ways, and praise isn't really
something that's bandied about, Like it's not really freely given,
so they think you're going to get an ego or
a big head or something. So like kids are like,
I think I recognize that people recognize that what I
(23:51):
did was good. I was the only kid that did it,
Like everybody else was into sports and things like that,
so but it wasn't nobody was going to around going,
oh my god, you're a you know what I mean?
So I think I probably recognized that it made people
pay attention and made people happy. When I was probably
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about seven years old, that.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Is a lot younger than I thought you were going
to say, could you like nail pitch? At seven?
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Yeah? You know, I was a belter, you know, and
I didn't have any lessons. We didn't have like my
lessons that were in high school. The way I learned
to sing was from listening to records and singing along
with records like Linda Ronstatt Records, Bonnie Rait Records, Reba records,
and singing those cover songs in the band. That was
really how I learned to increase my range and try
(24:39):
to match their nuances and their all of it. You know,
how long they held notes, how big the sound was,
And so I forgot your question.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
But well, just about other kids treating you different and
you at seven being able to hit just match a pitch, yeah,
at all. But you just got it from listening.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
I just got it from listening. And you know, we
we lived way. I didn't live in the town, the
booming town of Sharon, Kansas. I had lived on a
farm about ten miles away.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
The suburb of Sharon. Obviously.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yes, it was like literally ten miles down or eight
miles down a dirt road and then there's a house.
And my grandparents lived a mile down the road before
you got to my house. So it's very isolated. And
we my mom didn't drive, so until we could drive,
we were just come home from school. You're there, like
you're not going to run around and go down to
(25:31):
the corner, you know what I mean. It's just like
so my parents always had instruments for us. Though a
piano guitar. We had little tape recorders that we would
record ourselves messing around on the out, you know, in
the utility room. And my brother, my younger brother. So
that was our entertainment. And I and records. And I
can remember having kids home from school, like my classmates,
(25:54):
to play after school or to stay all night or whatever.
And would I would be playing them all these records
and they they just didn't. I found a friend in
high school that was a little olderan me that loved
music like I did. But you know, most of the
kids in my school were just not that interested. It
was just music. It was just like background, you know.
And so I would we would sit and listen to
records and they after about thirty minutes, they'd be like,
is this all we're gonna do? Like, let me go
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outside and play.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I'm like, yeah, okay, your music maturation, I guess jumped
quickly because that's what you had a lot of at
the house. Yeah, we did your parents care what kind
of music you listened to? Were the rules on what
you couldn't listen to at twelve, thirteen, fourteen years old.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I don't know if it was rules, but there was
they they My my dad was a country fan, like
he like I somehow my old I have an older
brother and an older sister. My older brother was into
like Credence, clear Water and I don't know, just like
really cool rock bands. And my sister was into pop
living Newton John and Casey in the Sunshine Band whatever
(26:51):
it was on the radio, and so I got those
influences from there. But when we were in the car,
it was specifically with my parents country music. And my
mom loved like she loved more like krooners, like.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Like Nashville sound type crooner.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah. No, like like you know, like Frank Sinatra. We
didn't have any Franks.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, I got it, got it, like the rat pack guy.
It's a boobl at now yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
And my dad loved he did love Ray Charles and
so we did have Ray Charles records and Edna James.
But then I got into high school and I got
into like, like my first concert that I went to
without my parents was Ozzy Osbourne, right the Blizzard of
Oz tour. It was so like rock and roll and
was so exciting to me, and so some of that
(27:38):
music I would listen to with headphones.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, you finish high school, you go to college. Now,
you mentioned college a minute ago, because there wasn't a
lot of college graduates in your family. Same here, so
it was a whole new world to me. Again, I'm somewhere,
I don't really have anybody to lean on to go
how do I do this? How was your experience to
college short lived?
Speaker 1 (27:57):
I went to a community college. I got a doolarship
for music and academic and I went there. Okay, so
but we like my kids grew up in Nashville and
had all of this college prep. They've got a college counselor,
they've got all of these people that help them know
what to expect, help them with the application process, all
of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I had the opposite of college prep. I had no
college prep. So I show up, I'm literally so overwhelmed.
I don't know this whole schedule thing, you know, and
how you have to find your classes, and it was
just completely overwhelming to me. Plus I was living off campus,
I was singing in a rock band, and I was
(28:37):
working at dairy queen. I had a boyfriend, so I
had a lot going on that was pulling me in
a lot of directions. But I went one semester and
was just like, I don't know what I'm doing at all.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
The fact that you came from such a small school,
and I'll speak from experience as well, it's more than
just not having college prep. It's like a culture change. Yeah,
going from ten kids in a class to it doesn't matter,
a community college amid high school like that is like
moving to New York City, or was to me.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Yeah, so it not only was Wow, nobody my family
has ever been to college before. I'd never been around
so many people, right, yeah, and it's always all been
on me. But now I'm having to go and do
the same thing.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
And so speaking of your rock band, the Penetrators.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
H huh yeah yeah, jeez.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Well we're in a room who says that let's go
with that?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Well, okay, in my defense, you don't need a defense.
I was seventeen years old when I joined that band,
and I've lived a pretty sheltered life and we didn't
have the you know, internet or anything like that. Three
channels on the TV. One was fuzzy, so like I
just didn't get it, like I I'd really not until
(29:45):
I think years later, when somebody said something I was like,
oh my god. I was just like, yeah, the penetrators
will penetrate you with our music.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What role did you have when you entered the band
at first? Were you pure front front man?
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Like that's it? And did they not have a singer before?
Are we just way better than the one they already had?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
They had one and she quit or moved or something,
and so yeah, they actually one of the guys in
the band owned worked at a like a music store
that my parents frequented, you know, when we'd go to
the big town of Wichita or whatever. So they actually
came down and talked sat in our living room and
talked to my parents. These were older, you know all
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I guess they're probably in their mid twenties thirties, and said,
you know, we want more too. Looking back on it,
it seems like a blur. I don't really cognitively remember
like having that. I kind of remember sitting there going, Okay,
these guys want me to sing in their rock band.
I'm going to be a rock star. I love it,
you know, and my parents were like, well, you seem
like good, good people, you know, they kind of gave
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their blessing. And I spent the next year and a
half riding around in a van with a hole in
the floor, you know, pooling all of our money together
to get want two jars of peanut butter and two
loaves of bread, and like that's what we were going
to eat for the week. You know what I mean.
It's like just playing locally but scream like singing Pat
Benatar and Heart and Journey and it was it was fun.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Well, you have to be nourished if you can penetrate properly. Yeah, yeah,
I mean I completely understand your protein absolutely. You mentioned
those three artists, like what are I was going to ask,
like what songs do you hear and it remind you
of that time period, like if you hear it on
the radio or playing at Walgreens. You mentioned Journey like
don't stop believing it.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Like we did any way you want it? Oh, yeah, good,
anyway you want it? And we did Pat Benatar, we
did uh oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
Were the best shot? Did you that?
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Holy? I don't know if we did that one. I
did that live every once in a while now, but
we did Promises in the Dark, we did Fire and Ice.
It was probably a little bit later Pat Benatar, because
I remember when Pat Benatar came out. I was at
my grandmother's. I was folding clothes and I was listening
to Casey Casem's Top forty and Heartbreaker came on the
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radio and I was like, what is that? I was
so knocked out by that.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Jesus Jesus, Yeah, yeah, got got it. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
And then later I got to do Crossroads with Pat.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
Benatar, which was and when it all comes back, unbelievable.
Was that like one of the coolest Yeah, for sure
for me, if I get to hang out with people
that I loved as a kid, it's way cooler than
somebody that could be massive, like in celebrity stature. Yeah,
but for me to be able to I remember like
John Michael Montgomery right, like he's been over here and
we and to him, he's just John and loves in Kentucky,
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drove down listens to the show. But I'm like, I
don't know if I need to remind you you're Joe
Michael mcumber. Like that to me is super cool because
as a kid listen to a lot. Yeah, and so
for you to be able to do that, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
It was awesome, and it was so surreal because I
thought to myself, Okay, never in a million years would
I have dreamed that I would be on stage with
Pat Benatar singing her songs. But then also, I have
songs that she's going to learn and sing. That's so
that's even beyond like but no, I'm it's not lost
on me. Like when I was standing on the stage
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a couple of weeks ago with Winona and Tanya Tucker
and me, and I'm like and Tanya, you know, like
put her arm around me, like, oh my god, what
am I doing here? Like, yeah, it's so crazy. And
when you kind of allow yourself to look at it
that way.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yeah, that's super cool. The penetrators, how long do you
guys play before you stop penetrating?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
It was pretty short lived. It seemed like a long time,
but I think it was probably I don't know, because
I moved to Wichita to singing another band five nights
a week at a club when I was probably eighteen,
so maybe eight months a.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Year at eighteen? Did you kind of have it figured
out somehow? Someway you were going to sing, like, oh yeah,
did you know you would go to Nashville eventually or
was it let's just see where it takes me.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
No.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I always dreamed of making records and doing, you know,
doing the big thing, but I couldn't at that point
in my life eighteen nineteen twenty, really settle on country music.
I was kind of reb I was kind of like
singing all kinds of music. So I was singing with
this cover band. I was singing everything from Maretha Franklin
to Whitney Houston to Madonna to you know, just whatever
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was on the radio at the time, plus some classics
like that. And I love that too. So I was like,
I don't know if I'm really ready to go and
do country music full time. And I had an aha moment.
I had to quit singing for a while because I
was I was like waiting tables and singing in clubs
five nights a week, and I started to get like
some vocal fatigue and that they did a scope and said,
you know, you don't have nodules, but there it's not
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looking good. You should probably take some time off from singing.
So I did, and in the meantime. Of course, I
couldn't just completely take out hanghop sing, so I started
singing harmony vocals in this country band, these two brothers
called the Faler Brothers that played locally, so I'd go
and sit in and sing harmony. And then I started
singing with my dad's band a little bit again, and
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we did a battle of the bands, which is so weird.
We never did that the entire time I was growing up,
me and my dad and that band. Yeah, And it
was at a club and it was in Wichita, and
we did this battle of the bands, and something clicked
for me, like a light bulb went off, and I said.
One of the DJs that was judging the contest actually
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said to me, I don't know what you're going to
do with your singing, because I know you singing a
lot of other stuff, but I hope you decide to
sing country music, because you know that would be really great.
And I that comment coupled with the experience of singing
that music again and realizing how important the lyrics were,
how important the singer is, it just felt like home
(35:42):
to me. I said to my mom. She was there.
She ran the soundboard actually for the band, and I said,
I think I've made a decision. I'm going to move
to Nashville and pursue a career in country music. And
I told my I asked, you know, didn't tell my husband.
Maybe I kind of did. I think I said I
want to move to Nashville. And he had a local
sound company that was doing you know, local sound and
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touring a little bit regionally, and he was like, all right,
let's go, and he moved his entire sound company. We
didn't know. We knew John k from Steppenwolf because John
had worked with him and toured with him doing monitors,
but we really didn't know anybody, and we talk about
naive like I would go. I knew I had to
find songs, so I'd go to these publishing companies and
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walk up down walk up and down music row and
knock on the door and say I'm a singer and
I want to get a record deal. Can you play
me some songs that I can record for demos? And
they're like, sure, come on in.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Like it was so odd that they were probably slightly
welcoming but confused. Yeah, like this is really not how
it works, but okay.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
You no, right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Wow? So Okay, were you married. You were married at
the time, Yeah, you and your husband, So how long
had you been married there before we moved.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
We got married in May of nineteen eighty eight and
we moved here January of nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
That's a that's a pretty adventurous first year and a half.
So you get here, you don't know anybody, You're walking
up and down. How did you even know music? Rode
was a thing? Though?
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Well, we ran into we came down before we moved
and made a demo and actually we went in to
see this guy at a publishing company that John k
had known, so it's kind of like a friend of
a friend, and sat down with him and played him
a demo that we had made back in Kansas, and
he said, that's not good. That's not going to cut it. Like,
you know, that's not good enough. You need to find real,
(37:27):
real musicians. It was recording a warehouse. It was like,
really echoey. He's like, you need to find a studio records.
And he gave us a list of names of people
that maybe could help us do that, studio musicians, and
John made a couple of calls and I think the
third person he called was a bass player named Mike Chapman,
who said, yeah, I got a friend Lonnie Wilson, who's
(37:48):
a drummer played on sons of my records. Do you
know Lonnie? I know, yeah, so great. And he said
he's got a studio in his like rec room or
garage or whatever. How about tonight, pap put a little
band together. You can come out because we were only
in town for like three days. And I went out
there and we recorded I don't need a couple of
original songs that one of the one of the musicians
had said here, you can record these songs. And I
(38:09):
was like, I like these songs, and and I took
it back to the guy the next day and he said, yeah,
that's good enough. That's that's a real demo, right, So
so yeah, it was It was just it was just
like meant to be.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
I guess what sounds very divine in that the battle
of bands happens whether you had jarraha moment where somebody
happened to be there and go, hey, I would like
to give you affirmation that what you're doing here is
the right thing. Like all those little particles came together
and then you knew somebody that knew somebody in that
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person first of all, not only helped let's do it tonight,
but it's also like still that same game. He's still
in your life.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
Mean all of that's not coincidental, right, but pretty cool
that when the dominoes fell, we weren't afraid to kind
of go with them, because that's also brave. Yeah, you
know here you are, you're I don't know how how
old are you at this time? Two? Okay, I'll make
a demo with guests due twenty three, maybe musicians here.
(39:13):
How did you feel singing with experts? Did that? Because again,
they're the bad They're they're doing studio work. You gotta
be really good to do that kind of stuff. Yeah,
did you think about that at all? Or are you
just like I can saying, let's go.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
I don't remember I journaled, I have to look up.
I got to go. I said, I'm going to go
back through and read all of my journals because your
perception of things and how it really happened are different.
But I think I was probably just nervous and blown
away and kind of like, but let's do this. You know,
it's kind of quite equal parts of because you know,
I was in my element musically but out of my
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element situationally, you know.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
So I don't know, you come back with that demo
do you when you move here, do you start passing
it around? Are you duplicating it? Or are you like, Okay,
this will get me into another room where I can
then record even more or or.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
So yeah, I think we ended up borrowing some money
to move here, and we set up this was like
a two song demo. So the song the next demo
that we made was the one where the songwriter said, here,
record these songs, and we went to we went to
Fireside I think, and recorded the tracks for like five songs,
(40:23):
which I just found that demo the other day, by
the way, and then we were Then we went to
the Music Mill, which is was a big studio here
at the time, and recorded the vocals and then we
so we pitched that around to every record company. Got
turned down by everybody.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
Why.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
I don't know. They just said, we're not looking it's
not what we're looking for.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
Standard answer, it ain't for us.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
Yeah, And then I made a second demo. This is
all all within about a year year and a half,
and John was out as production manager for garth At
that he'd got that job in the meantime, and so
I made it. We made a second demo and I
Mike Chapman, the original bass player guy, said you know
what you need to do. Somebody had told me at
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a publishing companies I sing in demos. They said, we
think we hear that RCA is looking to sign a
female artist, and I was like, okay. So Mike Chapman said,
you need to put your demo in an envelope and
you need to write they don't just take stuff off
the street, which I didn't know. You got to write
on their requested material and put a phone number on it.
(41:24):
And I was like all right. So I went down
to Kinko's and I got this bright purple envelope and
I wrote I think John actually wrote requested material Martina
McBride and a phone number. And about three weeks later
we got a phone call from Josh Leo, the head
of A and R at the label, and they wanted
to see a showcase. And we heard through the grape
vine there was like me and two or three other girls.
So we put together a band and we went to
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acea clubs. We did a showcase and they came back
that night and said, come in tomorrow and you've got
a record deal.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Why all did that advice of just write requested material
on there so they'll think that they actually were the
ones who wanted this, that that act that that paid off.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
It worked.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Obviously it was you who closed. But sometimes you can
have all the talent in the world, but if you
don't have a way to get that talent to where
it needs to go, it's a tree falling in the woods. Yeah,
that is so crazy. He's I just write requested material
and I'll just believe they wanted it and that they
were the ones that were in control the whole time.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Yeah, and that's it worked. And you know, on my
I think my fortieth birthday, Randy Talmage, the head of
A and R, gave me that envelope. He'd saved it
all those years and he framed it and gave it
to me and now I think it's in my Hall
of Fame exhibit. So it's yeah, it's it's wild.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
I mean, I just think that some things are meant
to be and if you can meet it, you know,
if you have enough enough determination and sort of passion
and perseverance to meet it where it is. You know,
then it's then it, like you said, the dominoes start
to fall.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, and it's okay to fall with him, I can
tell you.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
We interrupt this interview to bring you a message from
our sponsor. This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
So you've been married thirty five or so years almost
so got married for the first time, but a year ago,
never been married, was never engaged, was never in a
serious anything. Ever, She's the first person ever told that
I loved, because she was the first person I loved. Right,
So I'm a little stunned in that part of my
life because I was just so dedicated to my career
(43:21):
and met her and it's been a year, year, a
year and a half or so. What is there is?
I know there's no universal key. You can't give me
a key to the city, and I open every door
with it. What is it? What's the secret that's not
that secret that is just right in front of me.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
I think it's determination and deciding. You kind of decide
I'm gonna stick with. I mean, unless there's abuse or
you know, if it's just really not healthy, that's a
whole different thing.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Right.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
But like, if it's healthy and you found your person
who wants to grow with you and encourages you and
you it makes you laugh every day and has a
sense of adventure and all some of the really important things,
then you just decide we're in this. And there's going
to be times when you know, maybe you go, oh
my god, what have I done? You know what I
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mean for him and me? But you go that passes,
It passes, you talk about it, or maybe it was
just a mood or a season, and then you just
you know, you then you start to have all these
shared experiences and I don't know, I think you honestly,
I think you just decide to be dedicated to it
if it's a good relationship.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Whenever your success really started to grow, and as a
new artist that has a bit of momentum, you're gone.
A lot people think new artists are making tons of
money and new artists are out grinding harder than anybody.
Oh yeah, making no money. How was that for the
relationship with you and your husband? Was that a really
hard time or was he able to take what he
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does and take that along?
Speaker 1 (44:52):
A little bit of both? So he was my sound
engineer on the road, so he did. We did travel
together and we still do that. Really may I think
made things easier than if it would have been a
different situation because we get to share everything together. We've
kind of grown through this together. And but when we
were first getting when I first got a record deal,
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he tells the story of how, you know, he was
kind of like my manager for lack of not really,
but you know what I mean, he was like the
biggest he wrote on the envelope, he went and dropped
it off. He was like a big supporter and so
you know, we go do this thing. RCIA used to
have this thing during country radio seminar that was like
a boat show. So he went on this General Jackson
boat and all of the radio people were there and
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it was like a showcase, like you did your new
material or whatever. So the first time I went on there,
my promo guy, my radio guy, came and got me
and said, I want to take your run and introduce
you to some people. And John says, it's like you
just like you just left with the real people, you
know what I mean, left and he was kind of
(45:55):
left standing there, and also a lot of people weren't.
He had to go through a lot of things where
till people would get to know him and respect him
and not see him as the husband that was going
to be in the way, or you know, all of
those stereotypes that people have. So it was I would
say it was harder for him than me. But you know,
once people spend any time with him and recognize his
(46:17):
talent and his passion and his heart, you know then
that that came around.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Nineteen ninety three. You get inducted into the Grand ol Opry.
You mentioned Loretta al in earlier. She's the one who
does it. What do you remember about that night?
Speaker 1 (46:30):
It was part of a television special. It's like an
anniversary of the Opry. And Loretta's so funny. She came,
she came to do the rehearsal and they gave you.
They gave me a plaque and she said, well, during rehearsal,
she said, is this is this what I'm supposed to
(46:51):
give you? This is what you get for joining the opry?
And I said, yeah, I guess so, and so she said.
She kind of laughed, and during the ceremony she said,
welcome to the Opry, honey, this is what you get.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
That's super cool. That it was her and she's the
one like just first of anything with her. Yeah, but
she's the one inducting you into the greatest country music
space in the history of the world, the Grand Ole Opry.
Like what a special memory. Did you know that she
was going to be inducting you before like rehearsals with it,
because sometimes you know, they the invite is a surprise.
(47:27):
Was that a surprise to you?
Speaker 1 (47:28):
Yeah, but they didn't do it like they did.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
They didn't just show up and surprise you at the performance.
Speaker 1 (47:32):
I went to lunch with the head of the Opry
and he asked me at lunch, and and then and
then I got to I got to invite. I got
to ask who I wanted to induct me.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
So I so you chose right now? Okay, man, being
told at lunch by someone who an executive is like
being proposed to on the phone. It was like, I mean,
you're still getting married and that's awesome, but you didn't
even get on a knee.
Speaker 4 (47:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I don't think they did it like that back then.
Now I love how they do it now where they
I got to be that person for Charlie Daniels. I
got to ask him to join the opry.
Speaker 2 (48:02):
And he didn't know you were there. You guys kept
it completely secret.
Speaker 1 (48:05):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's that's the greatest, those videos where people are surprised.
Just through that, I would say the history, because you're right,
they didn't do it like that twenty five years ago.
I think like twenty years Yeah, they started doing it
a little bit. But those videos where people get surprised
and oh my god, they're awesome. Only second to whenever
somebody from military comes home and surprizes are kids. I
love those video and those are good too. What I
don't like when they show the videos of the dogs
(48:27):
with one eye and said on McLoughlin sings those videos,
that don't like it. I like what they're doing. I
just don't like those videos. Yeah, Like you know what
comes to me? You sign a record deal ninety one?
How fast until you actually take off and have a
hit from the moment you signed, until you're on the
radio and you got a number one song.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Yeah it was a second record. I didn't have a
number one song to the third record. Wild Angels was
my first number one. Actually just happened the other day.
I think it was in nineteen ninety six, So it
took six five or six years to really get to
that place. But I befo four Wild Angels, I had
Independence Day and I had my.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
First three Independence Day. Wasn't a number one.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Song, No, it was number ten.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Maybe again, I'm just the consumer here. The song that
I would know you for the most Yeah, it wasn't
even a number one song, right.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
That's a whole story. Like, you know, we had a
lot of resistance at radio with that song because the
subject matter, and I think it was really because she
burned the house down, you know, it was like she
was taking she took action that just didn't set very
well with a lot of radio people.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Bizarre.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
And so it's funny because I was so passionate about
that song, like it literally changed my life, not career
only career wise, but just my awareness and my you know,
wanting to try to help some way, and all the
letters that I got and the people that I talked
to and heard their stories and it was so big
for me. And so my probone guy once again, Mike Wilson,
(49:55):
came to me and he said, I think we're losing
the song. I don't think that it's gonna And I
was like, what how is this possible? And he goes, well,
there's there's you know, maybe twenty stations that won't won't
refuse to play it. And I said, can I talk
to them? Can you give me their numbers? And I
want to have a conversation and he was like, uh sure,
(50:17):
I guess, like that's not usually done, but I guess so.
And so I got on the phone with these guys
and I was just like, talk to me, like, tell
me what is it? And some of them would say,
we just don't think it's appropriate that it's on our station.
And I said, and oddly enough, this is right. Independence
date came out maybe seven weeks before Nicole brown Sinson
(50:39):
was murdered, so all of a sudden it was on
that story was everywhere, and so I was I said,
you know, it's interesting because you're talking about domestic violence
every day, several times a day on your newscast, right,
yet you don't feel like this song can can be
listened to or whatever. And I turned a couple few
of them around. There were ten stations that never did
(51:01):
play it, but but I was able to they would
give it a chance. You know. One guy said to
me that video like if I'm sitting with my daughter
and that video comes on. Then I have to talk
to her and explain things, and I'm like.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, dude, that's.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
Maybe not a bad idea. So it was interesting. It's
just a different time, you know.
Speaker 2 (51:20):
Is it when people just think that song is about
fourth of July. Yeah, like on fourth of July, you
hear the song and no, it's not the same thing.
I got talking about literal Independence Day of America. Yeah,
because sometimes it'd be like, it's your July fourth playlist,
oh all the every year, yeah, yeah, and Independence Day
comes on.
Speaker 1 (51:35):
I think I think that's what you were talking about earlier,
how sometimes you can just sing a song for years
and not really ever. You kind of just sing the
chorus and you're distracted during the verses or whatever. Because
I think a lot of people don't know what that
song is about still, but then so many people do,
And that's you know, that's the song that I've heard
and thought to myself, somebody needs to hear this song.
(51:57):
This is going to be the song for somebody. Yeah,
you know, So then I get letters people saying that's
what I got in the car and I heard that
song on the radio and that's I decided I'm out
of here. I've had enough, right, So it's like that's
the power. That's not me. That's the power of music
and the power of a song.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, Wow,
and we're back on the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
Three questions for you when you finally win for female vocalist,
because you grew up a couple of times in like
the late nineties, but in like maybe two thousand and
three or so, I think you won the first time
three in a row. By the way, it was like bam,
bam bam.
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah it was nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
Is that you won a ninety nine? Okay, so the
first time you win, and you'd always been able to
envision yourself winning, did you have that moment while it
was happening where you're like, I've always like it while
it was happening, like I always could see this and
now it's actually happening.
Speaker 1 (52:51):
Yeah, kind of. Yeah, it was like not an out
of body experience, but like it's so okay, I want
to say this and have it come off as in
a conceded way because I'm not. But and it's not
where it's coming from. But like, like it goes back
to what I was saying before, you kind of have
to believe it. You kind of have to believe it
otherwise all of the rejection and the and the being
(53:12):
away from home, the traveling and the recording and all
of the stuff that you do is you know, you
have to believe it's going to pay off in that
moment as as in that moment. So you know, there
was a I don't know, maybe it might have been
even four or five years we were nominated and didn't win,
and and you just go, what's going to happen. It's
(53:32):
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
So you still believed it was gonna happen. Oh yeah, yeah,
when you got that close and didn't.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, because it was too maybe premature, Like I feel
like we One thing I'm really that was a good
feeling for me was when we finally won. I felt
like we'd been around long enough to kind of deserve
it in a way, and my team, you know, everybody
that works so hard, they it was rewarding. It was
just kind of like, I'm so glad it didn't happen
too fast. I'm so glad. I feel like I'm kind
(53:58):
of in the industry and that people really wanted me
to win. Maybe so, but yeah, there's that moment where
you go, well, this is it, you.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Know, the first time is that you didn't win. Are
you like listening for and is it deflating or is it?
Do you really feel anytime I ever lose, I'm the
honored to be there, right, I'm like this sucked?
Speaker 1 (54:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Or are you honored just to be there? And You're
like I'll get him next time? Like what?
Speaker 1 (54:22):
Like Yeah, I was kind of like that. I was
really because I would look at the category and the
other females in the category and I was just like wow, Wow,
like it's so amazing that I'm even in the same
like these people even know. I remember when I walked
past Alan Jackson one time at an award show, probably
the first CMA Awards that I went to, and he's
in the front row and I walked by him and
kind of, you know, I was I'm not I'm kind
of an introvert, really honestly extroverted introvert. Same so I'm
(54:48):
not the kind of I'm always the kind of person
that doesn't want to go up to somebody and introduce myself.
I don't want to bother them, you know what I mean.
But I walked past him and I just kind of
looked at him and thought to myself, oh my god,
that's Alan Jackson. And he said I love your stuf,
and I was like, oh my god, Alan Jackson knows
who I am and has heard my music. What in
the world you know? So it's it was like that.
Speaker 2 (55:08):
I don't think you came off. You can see it
at all. And I'm a big believer in what I
would call a healthy arrogance because if I don't have it,
if I don't believe in me so much, nobody else
is going to yeah, like I have to because at
times other people are gonna go yeah or nope or
I don't know, prove it. But if I don't believe
in me and I don't believe what I'm putting out
is worth people buying a ticket if I'm doing a
comedy show or spending twenty minutes with me in the
morning or reading a book, if I don't believe it
(55:31):
and I don't believe it's great, nobody else will.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
So I have to be that, and I have no problem.
It's just for me at times, I think I get
so insecure that that healthy arrogance tends to come off
the other way because I'm so insecure that it's like, well,
I got approved everybody that I don't take any crap,
and let's let's go. That's my problem. When things started
to really pop for me, I had to There were
a couple of times where I had to be like, whoa,
we got to check yourself. Luckily I have that awareness.
Speaker 1 (55:55):
I was going to say, you're aware of it.
Speaker 2 (55:57):
Luckily, yeah, did When did you ever have to have
that talk with you? It's a weird question to ask
where you're like, oh, it's hidden now, like let's make
sure we make these some wise decisions, not because.
Speaker 1 (56:09):
Of an arrogance thing or insecurity really, but you know,
I just it took me a really long time to
realize that I had some power. Like you know, nobody
tells you that when you start out. They're like, there's
all kinds of people that want you to do what
they think you should do. And I mean everybody from
video directors to art directors to producers to everybody executives.
(56:31):
And it took I think it was my husband actually
that said, you know you they're kind of working for
you in a way, And I was like, oh my god. Yeah,
so then you kind of you can kind of assert
your power over your creativity and your own persona and
how you're see you over yourself, and that that can
get pretty heady. So sometimes I feel like, especially I
(56:55):
don't you know, as a woman, I kind of had
to check that a little bit just to not alienate everyone.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
Makes sense, Absolutely, it does. My final question is kind
of a two parter. If you go to your home.
Inside your home, what is your favorite professional picture that
you have that if somebody could stumble across it's in
a frame somewhere. And what is your favorite personal picture
that you have that somebody could just stumble across and
be like, oh, look at this, Oh you're duck hunting.
I don't know what it is, but give me both
of them.
Speaker 1 (57:19):
Okay, Well, I don't really have any professional pictures that
we framed.
Speaker 2 (57:22):
But nothing like you had to do it, singing at
the Opry, anything at all, any not in my house.
Speaker 1 (57:27):
But a friend of mine, Nathan Chapman, I think it
has been on this show.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
I love him. Yeah, I saw him. We played with
shot the Ryemea. Yeah, yeah, he does.
Speaker 1 (57:34):
He's an amazing human being and my favorite bass player
really no offense to all the other bass players out there,
but he's so good and he's a great singer and
a musician, and I just love him. I can't say
enough good things. But he also, because he's good at
everything he does, is an amazing photographer. So he called
me up a few weeks ago and said, can I
jump on your bus and just I just want to
come out and shoot photos. I was like absolutely, So
(57:57):
he took this photo of me to actually one me
going up the stairs to the stage and it's kind
of blurring out of focus. It's so iconic. And then
another one of me on stage from the back, which
is my best angle, by the way, and and there's
nothing for me to critique or pull pick apart. It's
like it's the back of my head. My hair looks good,
it's fine. And so that picture and I haven't got
(58:18):
him framed yet, but he made me huge prints, like
like as big as that when you have here, So
I'm I'm probably gonna frame a couple.
Speaker 2 (58:24):
Of That's sup. What about personally?
Speaker 1 (58:27):
My one of my favorite pictures is my picture with Loretta.
I have a couple of snapshots with her that I
have framed, and I just look at I walk by
them and just think, I just was so lucky to
know her, so lucky to know her, you know. And
then of course I've got pictures with my kids when
they were from all all through their whole you know,
(58:51):
their whole lives. I've got some newborn pictures with all
of them, So you know, that's personally. I guess when
I say, when you said personal picture and I me
and Loretta, that did feel like a personal relationship to me.
So but that's probably more in the professional category. So
pictures of me with my kids would be the second one.
Speaker 2 (59:09):
So you're doing shows if you in May and in June.
Now you're taking a break right now though for the
most part, that's what you're saying. Are you going back
out in the fall? Is that Ben announce yet? No? Okay,
putting that together, I don't want to go to tour jail,
so I'm not going to push know what's up.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
I just decided this year to take a little bit more,
try to tour a little smarter because we were for
the past since COVID, since since touring started back up again,
we were really hitting it every single weekend, like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,
every single week, maybe with a week off here or there,
and it just gets to be so discombobulating. There's all
there's always this first of all, I'm a real homebody.
(59:46):
I love to be at home, but I love to tour.
But there's this re entry that comes every time I
come on off the road. There's about a day where
it just takes a minute to get settled in in
the groove, and that's just jarring, and nothing ever gets unpacked,
and everything's I'm transporting things back and forth. And so
this year I said I kind of wanted to work
in chunks, so we did the Judge tour. We've got
(01:00:07):
April and May off, no March and April off, and
then we were working in May, June, a little bit
in June, July. Then we're going to do a tour
in the summer in the fall for probably fifteen dates,
and then we always do a Christmas tour, so we'll
probably end up doing the same amount of shows, but
they're just spread out a little more.
Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
It's been a real treat. I appreciate you coming and
just talking with me about like the stuff that I
don't have to get to hear from you, Like I
want to know about Sharon. Yeah, I want to know
about your mom and your dad, and so I hadn't
heard this. So I really appreciate you taking an hour
and spending it and absolutely sharing that with me. That's
that's the coolest thing for me to get to do this.
So if you want to get tickets, you go to
Martina McBride dot com or go to our socials quite
(01:00:43):
the Instagram following. I must say, you gotta kill it
over there.
Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
It's fun at Martina McBride. And then the final final question,
do you still love singing?
Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I do? Yeah, I do. I mean I do, And
I think I'm learning to love it in a different way.
For a long time, it was just this thing I did,
and it was just this I sort of had complete
control over it. I don't, honestly, I took it for granted.
But you know, now I'm older, I've gone through a
(01:01:16):
couple of vocal issues which I've been resolving, and I
appreciate it more and I think I'm more connected to
it in a in a different way. And I think
the next few years, I'm going to enjoy it more
than ever.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Well, thank you for your time. This has been a
real treat for me. I guess that's it, right, Mike,
all the stats and stuff we read before you got here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I'm glad you didn't know what I was here.
Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah. Well, we didn't want you to get to cocky,
you know, So all right, Martina McBride, Everybody, I love
this episode of The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
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