Patrick Hicks (@PatrickHicks82) has become a TikTok star for his music storytelling videos where he shares stories on musicians' background, how they got their start, and fun facts about their life. He joins Bobby for a conversation about why he started making videos, how he knows a bunch of music info and how he gained a massive social media following. He also discusses the challenges of working a normal 9-5 job and doing social media full time on the side. Patrick will also share his thoughts on the legalities of AI music creation and how he thinks it will affect music in the future. And he'll share what's next for him in his career!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
So my wife loves this Ted talk about doing a
thirty day challenge. She was like, you need to do
something new and creative. She laughed at me when I
said it was going to be a TikTok channel, and
she was like, what are you going to do on TikTok?
And I was like, maybe I'll tell music stories. I
know a lot of good music stories. And she's like,
nobody is going to want to see you tell a
music story.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Episode three ninety seven. His name is Patrick Kicks. He's
somebody that I followed on TikTok for a long time
and then I just thought it was one of those
Eureka moments. Eureka, let's get him on the Bobbycast because
he is so knowledgeable about music. He has almost half
a million followers now just from him getting on and
telling stories. And all he does is put the phone
(00:47):
up next to his face pretty close.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, he was right on him.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And he's always on the same couch and he tells
these stories, but you never really know who he's talking
about until he gets to the end. He'll be like, yep,
he grew up a small boy in a farm back
in Minnesota, and you know what he loved to play soccer,
and then all of a sudden, next thing, you know,
it's Brandon Flower from The Killers. Now I made the
whole first part of that out, but he walks you
through his whole story without saying who it is, and
(01:11):
so he's just real good. And so from that I thought,
let's get him on a talk and that's what we did.
We talked about a lot of stuff. I mean, I
can say who we talked about, right, because we didn't
run like his bits. Yeah you can do that, okay,
Like the one about third Eye Blind super cool to me.
Even when I was watching it on his Instagram or
his his TikTok, I was like, wow, really there's the
(01:32):
tangent talker one that's really interesting too. So we go
through a lot of the stories. We also talk about him,
I mean, normal dude, like went to law school.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It was like an attorney that was like, I don't
like this anymore, still works, but started doing this has
you know, built such a following and now he's doing
what he loves.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's the best in music.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
From you know, different genres, from fascinating, heartfelt, inspirational tales.
His name is Pat Hope. You check him out on TikTok.
I hope you listen to this podcast, and I hope
you check out his podcast. It's called Good Measure with
Patrick Hicks. He also worked as a booking agent at
Whiskey a Go Go in La. So he's done a
bunch of different stuff in music. And he was in
a band, right, punk band.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He was in a punk band. What was your big
takeaway from this?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Every story I wanted him in with, and that boy
grew up to be Bobby Bones, all of it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, he also has a good culture. I don't know
if we talked about this on his TikTok where don't
spoil it in the comments.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, he won't take it down.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But everybody else will run you over, and like then
they'll like everybody who's running you over?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So yours isn't even in the top ten or so. Yeah,
and it's.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Crazy to get that many amount of views on a
TikTok with like no text.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, it's just a straight story, just him in his
head telling a story.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So here he is. I follow him. I'm a big fan.
His name is Patrick Hicks. Episode three ninety seven of
The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Patrick.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Let me say first of all, that I'm a huge fan.
And is that weird to hear from people that they're
because I am a huge fan of yours.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, that's amazing. I mean it's it's still weird. Yeah,
it's and especially coming from you, that's it's surreal. But yeah,
I'm starting to get used to a little bit. I've
done some you know, zooms where I've set up some
sponsorships and you know, I've talked to people and they're like,
oh my gosh, it's you. That's the brown couch right there.
(03:25):
So that's, uh, yeah, it's strange, but it's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Where do you live?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I live in Chicago, So I live in a neighborhood
called Albany Park. I just live in like a regular
apartment on the third floor, and uh, just have this
kind of not that expensive couch that is the star
of my tic TACs.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
They kind of the genesis of me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Knowing who you are is probably the genesis of everybody
knowing who you are where. I'm a massive music fan.
I've worked in all formats and yeah, I grew up
in Arkansas, so I'm obviously a massive country music fan,
but you know, I worked in pop and hip hop
and alternative, and so I just love music. I love
classic rock, and I think because I searched for so
(04:09):
many things on TikTok, you kind of came into my
algorithm and I was like, oh, this is an interesting
kind of deal. I didn't follow you the first time.
About the third time, which is pretty quick, I was like,
I got to follow this guy because of how he
tells the stories. So when you first started, you know,
your first one, two or three tiktoks that you made,
did you start telling the story where You're like, this
(04:31):
is the story, but I'm telling it in a way
of a lot of this stuff you had no idea
until you reveal who it's actually about.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, that was never the plan, and a lot of
people kind of compare it to Paul Harvey that was
like that was not really an influence. I didn't really
think of that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
When I first started, it was just here's some stories
I know, kind of off the top of my head, Like,
here's some fun like stories I know just from years
of like reading music by our and watching documentaries. And
then as I kept going, I started doing more research,
they started becoming more involved, and then I did one
on nine inch nails and as I was doing the research,
(05:13):
I was like, you know, a lot of people might
not know that Trent is Trent Resnor's middle name. His
first name is Michael. And as I was doing more
research on it, I was like, you know, he, if
you didn't know, you were reading about nine inch Nails,
you would never believe that this story is going to
lead up to Trent Resnor because he is this very
straight laced kind of boy scout. He you know, he
(05:33):
was inspired to get into music by an Eagles concert.
There was all these kind of things that I thought
was interesting, and I was like, you know, if I
just told the story is saying this is about a
guy named Michael who was a hardworking janitor who was
recording music at night, it would be a big surprise
when you found out this was Trent Resner. So it
was kind of just going to be a one off
for that story. And then people responded to it like
(05:57):
so well of like oh my god, the reveal was
so cool. Then I was like, let me try this
a couple more times. And then then people were like,
I make a game out of it, you know, this
is like the best game to play is to try
to figure out how fast can I figure out who
you're talking about? So then I kind of fell into
that kind of being my thing of like, I don't
want to let people down if they're literally playing drinking
(06:18):
games trying to solve the musical mystery. So it definitely
has evolved over over time, but that was not the
original plan.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
But it seems to be working.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, it does seem to be working. That is an understatement.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So I want to do a couple of things, and
I kind of want to balance from stories that I've
seen from you that i'd like you to at least
talk about a little bit, but then also your live sure,
also the TikTok growth that you've had. So we're going
to kind of walk three linear paths at the same time.
If you're cool with that, love it, okay, sure. One
(06:54):
of the ones that I watched the viewers and I've
seen them all. One of the ones because I like
to play and I like to try to figure it out,
and some of them again because I do feel like
I'm pretty well versed in a lot of different music.
The one that blew my mind and I'm not going
to say who it was, and you don't have to
do exactly like you did.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But the band that proved everyone wrong, Like.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, okay, that was the one that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I was like, dang, he got me. I gotta get
him on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So just to talk me through the band that proved
everyone wrong?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Sure, So, so starts with a guy I called Steve,
who I believe does not like being called Steve, but
you know, to obfuscate a little bit. So start with
a guy named Steve who grows up mostly in the
Bay Area in California, and his dad is actually a
professor at Berkeley. And he grows up and he has
(07:47):
a lot of struggles growing up. You know, his parents
are divorced. He has dyslexia, which is is a issue
for him succeeding in school. And he at one point
has this teacher, like a sixth grade teacher who tells
him that he'll never even graduate high school, like basically
like you're never going to be anything. So he's of
course determined to prove her wrong, and you know, prove
(08:07):
everybody wrong, and doubles down. You know, his dad is
a professor, so his dad helps him. He does end
up graduating high school, ends up going to Berkeley for college,
and he studies English literature and you know, it does
very well. But then he starts to get into music.
So in high school he's a drummer. He drums in
some rock bands. But then in college he starts getting
(08:29):
into hip hop. So this is like the eighties. You know,
he's starting to get inspired by the rap you know boom,
especially in the Bay Area. A lot of cool stuff
happening there. So he starts this rap group with it's him,
it's this rapper from Detroit and it's this two man
you know, rap duo, and they don't have a ton
of success, except they get a song on the Beverly
(08:50):
Hills nine O two one oh soundtrack, like real random,
but they reach out to them to do this song.
He he'd never seen the show before, but he was like,
you know, this is an opportunity, so let's do it.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Has this song.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
The name of the rap group they're called Puck and Natty,
and it's a play on there was like a Bay
Area jazz group called Tuck and Patty. So weird name,
weird sound. You know, he's white, the Detroit rapper is black,
so it's like a you know, mixed race hip hop
duo and it's not like, you know, it's not hardcore.
It's not like gang Star or something. It's pretty like
(09:24):
poppy hip hop. Then they have this song on the
Beverly Hills now to a O soundtrack, and that's about it.
That's like the height of their success. They go their
separate ways, they break up, and it seems like, man,
what am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It's he's a few years out of.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
College, and so he puts together this rock band and
he says like he has all these songs in his head,
but he hasn't. He doesn't have a band to get together.
Like nothing is working out finding band members. Finally he
finds this guy to play guitar. They get some other
people they like, get a solid band, they get a
little bit of a following in the Bay Area, and
(10:00):
they finally end up getting signed. There's a lot more
interesting stuff to how they get signed, but eventually they
get signed, and they sign with Electra Records because what
they really want is creative control. So they sign with
the label that will give them creative control. They're on
the same page. They let Steve produce the album himself
co produce it, but where the only part where they
(10:22):
have a fight is over the first single because they
have this song that's actually a throwback to the Puck
and Natty days. It's kind of like the verses are
rapped by the lead singer and they feel it doesn't
really represent the rest of their music. They don't really
want to put it out as the first single, but
the labels like, now this is going to be a hit.
I mean, it's a weird song too. It has a
(10:45):
chorus that basically is a bite of Lou Reed's Walk
on the wild Side, and the lyrics are filthy. The
lyrics are about sex and drugs, like hardcore drug references,
but very poppy, like very radio friendly. And so the
wins and they put out the first single, which is
semi Charmed Life by Third Eye Blind, and they were
(11:07):
the band. The band is right, it doesn't sound like
the rest of the record, but the rest of the
record is amazing. And you know that there's five singles
off that which is crazy all hits, and that first record,
you know, blows up and goes whatever, went double platinum
or something. I mean, one of my favorite records of
the nineties. But that song is a throwback to this
(11:28):
hip hop duo that he had, and then an interesting
thing that like I didn't even get time to tell
in the story, but he apparently was lived up the
street from where Linda Perry from Four Non Blondes worked
and they would hang out. She was like a waitress
and they would hang out and she played him, you know,
the four Non Blonde song What's Up? And he played
her semi charmed life, and you know, like, these are
(11:51):
the songs we're working on, and he's like, thinking back,
it was like, you know, millions and millions of records
sold from those two songs that we played when we
were star irving artists. But yes, that's that's Third Eye Blind.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's such a good story.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And it's like that you know what I felt like
to me when you ended it was I see dead
people and you finally realize that he's a ghost. I was,
and you're like, oh, because you called him Steve. And
what I start to do, because you will drop little crumbs.
You got to identify the crumb because sometimes I go
after crumbs and aren't crumbs. And I'm like, okay, he said
square house. And by the way, I've missed whatever else
(12:25):
that I was supposed to catch, So.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That started off blind.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
One was so good and with your music knowledge, Like,
what is your music background? Did you ever have a
job where you're like managing somebody, You're a book in somebody?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
What is it for you?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So I was a little bit like I had wanted
to work in the music industry. I played in like
punk bands my whole life, and I went to this
place in Hollywood called the Musicians Institute that had like
a music business program. I was not like a great student.
I didn't I didn't go to college after high school.
I eventually went to community college. But at the time
I in my early twenties, I was like, I don't
(13:02):
know what to do. So I'm going to go to
this music business school. And then I got an internship
and then I worked for a little bit at the
Whiskey of Go Go in West Hollywood, So I was
a booking agent there. But I did not take the
music business by storm or anything, and I kind of
like realized this is not, you know, like going to
be a career. So eventually I went back to school
and I went to law school. That was literally my
(13:23):
only foray into the music industry. I thought, like I
got to do something else to, you know, have a
career and have like a more stable life. And then
as a hobby, I started doing music stuff. And then
now I'm hoping maybe I turned this hobby into my
career and I come full circle. So I don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
You went to law school. Are you a lawyer?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So that's what I thought I was going to do.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But yeah, no, I went to law school and I
kind of did all the stuff you're supposed to do.
I got good grades. My first year, I got like
a summer job at this prestigious law firm, and I
just hated it and I was not good at it,
I'll be honest, and the feeling was mutual. They were like,
you're not going to work here, which is kind of
(14:07):
like impossible, Like almost everybody who gets the summer.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Job they hire you after graduation.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And they were like Patrick, No, it was one of
those like everybody who's going to be working here, take
a step forward, Patrick, not so fast. So yeah, so
I graduated without a job, and then I was like
I just the experience I got, actually, you know, working
in a law firm. I did not want to be
a lawyer, so I just you know, transitioned to a
kind of like jd preferred job. So it helps that
(14:33):
I have a law degree, but I don't actually have
to practice law.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So the fact that you do these tiktoks, and I
assume that takes up a lot of your time because
you have to research it, and people, I think a
lot of people myself included, at first was just like man,
he just rolling this stuff off the dome. But then
I started to realize because there was so much information
in them, that you were really putting in a lot
of work to make these things not only entertaining but
(14:59):
information and also a game. Like it's both of those
trying to figure it out. Is this what you do
all day?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So so no, I do have a real job. I
have like a regular nine to five, and I just
squeeze it in when I can.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You know, at night.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I have two little kids, so trying to put them
to bed at night, that's when I'll be doing my
research after they go to bed. A lot of times
I'm recording lunch breaks, I'm researching. So it, yeah, it
takes up a lot of time. It's like all my
free time basically, But I do also have a job
and a family on top of that, but I do
like doing it, so it's all fun.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So and this all started because I was reading about
a thirty day challenge. Your wife was she the one
that suggested the thirty day challenge?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Absolutely, so my wife loves this. Ted talk about doing
a thirty day challenge, and it's basically like do something
for thirty days, and at the end of the thirty days,
like you could have a product, like write a book,
you know, work on it every day for thirty days.
At the end of it, you have written a book.
Maybe it's not a good book, but like you did it.
And so it's just kind of, you know, a way
to get something jump started. And you know, we always
(16:04):
just like to stay creative, do different creative projects. She
was like doing an NFT like she was learning all
about getting into the NFT world and she designed her
own thing and put it up for sale. I don't know,
We're always just trying to like do different stuff. And
we both were obsessed with TikTok, like we watched it
all the time, and so she was like, you need
to do something new and creative, do a new thirty
(16:25):
day challenge. And I was like, what if I start
a TikTok channel. So all the credit to her for
the inspiration, but I will say that she laughed at
me when I said it was going to be a
TikTok channel, and she was like, what are you going
to do on TikTok? And I was like, maybe I'll
tell music stories. I know a lot of good music stories.
And she's like, nobody is going to want to see
you tell a music story. So I do rub it
(16:45):
in her face a lot that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
You're Stephen Jenkins. There we go.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
You're Stephen Jenkins and she's a sixth grade teacher. That's
what it is right there.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're
back on the Bobby Cast. So my guy here that
runs all the video, he's really good.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
His name is Read.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You're not gonna be able to see him, but Read.
You pulled the microphone up for a second. So I
want to move over to a story.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Read. Have you seen all the stories?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I have?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Not?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Ok?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Actually, so if you don't mind, Patrick, I would like
for you and I want read.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Read.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
When you think you know it, just raise your hand
and I will stop you. And I'll stop Patrick. But
I want Patrick if you don't mind, would you please
tell the story that is titled the Rapper who Got Exiled?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Oh yeah, okay, So he's going to tell the story.
Read this is what I do.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I watch him and I see when I can figure
him out. And when you think you know it, just
raise your hand.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Okay, okay, okat it okay.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So this has to do with a rapper doing a
promotion that was in conjunction with Walmart. And he's doing
this online promotion where whatever Walmart in the United States
that fans pick, this rapper will go to this Walmart
and do a special appearance there and it's going to
be based on a fan vote. And so this rapper
(18:06):
is one that is a little bit mimified online and
so some people in the online community thought it would
be fun to mess with him and send him to
the most remote Walmart humanly possible. And a lot of
people are in on it, but it's really spearheaded by
this journalist who worked for this website something awful, and
(18:27):
so he kind of starts this petition. He starts this
hashtag exile blank because they find a Walmart location in Alaska,
but not even like an anchorage in like an island
off the southern coast of Alaska, where like a population
of a couple thousand people, and it's like a Walmart
that only it has like you know, hunting supplies and snowshoes.
(18:51):
It's like a very specific Alaskan Walmart, and it's the
most remote one possible. And so of course it's a
fan vote, so it starts getting all this attention and
it wins by a landslide. I think it's a Facebook vote,
but yeah, so this location in Alaska wins by a landslide.
And this kind of stuff has happened before with like
(19:12):
online votes, and there's usually like a disclaimer like we're
not we don't really have to go by what the
fans say. Like if you know the story about body
mcboat face in England, they didn't really name the boat
body mcboat face, Like they reserved the right to not
do it. So they could have backed out. They could
have been like this was obviously rigged. We're not going
to send this this rapper to Alaska. But the rapper
(19:33):
is like, I'll go to Alaska. He's like, you know,
there probably are some people there who like my music.
I'm going to go to Alaska. So he goes, and
this guy who was the kind of spearhead of it
to David Thorpe, I think it was his name. Walmart
is like, do you want to come too? This could
be like a good opportunity, but they weren't going to
pay for him. They're like, you have to meet us there,
(19:53):
but you know you could go, And he was like, well, no,
I can't afford to fly to Alaska for a joke.
And Pipple it's like, bring that guy too, I will
pay for him to go. Oh, I gave up the
name myself.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That's okay, finish the story.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Finish the story.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
So it is pit Bull.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So Pitpull goes to Alaska and does this promotion at
this rural remote Walmart. He brings in David Thorpe, who
like does photos with him and and it's like this
amazing experience because it's this big deal for the town,
like everybody comes. They have like traditional Inuit dancers there,
and he gives like this motivational speech and actually turns
(20:35):
into this like super beautiful moment. And then David Thorpe
tells this great story where he's like I got to
talk to pit Bull and he's worried, like his pit
bull is going to be mad at me, like does
he know I was making fun of him? And Pipole
basically is just like, there's an expletive involved, but I'll
bleep it. But he's basically like, you know what, keep
messing with people. Next time we'll be on the moon.
(20:57):
I was like, that's the best. That's the best pipple
line you could ever have.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So again, it's one after another, these awesome stories. But
this isn't the first time that I think that you've
been creative. Have you written, because obviously there's a lot
of writing that goes into this. Have you been a
writer at all in other ways?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, So I always kind of felt like I was
supposed to be a writer. My parents are both journalists,
so I've always kind of like wanted to be a
writer in some capacity.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I had like an MP three blog back in the
day when those were cool, and yeah, just like I've
written screenplays that was like kind of my hobby before
I got into this, which I didn't even like think
of it, but most of them did involve music in
some way. But yes, I've written screenplays, I've written like articles,
(21:45):
but yeah, I had a podcast like I've just always
been doing creative stuff. I've never been just a guy
who does a job and then you know, go home
and watch his TV. I just like, not that there's
anything wrong with that, that's just I've always been doing
something creative to be happy.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
You know, my wheelhouse is probably nineties alternative because it's
when I grew up, and that was like music.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, it's like music that kind of spoke for me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I felt like country music spoke about where I was from,
but I didn't feel like it really spoke like how
I felt. But then you had all these bands then
they're like, I'm sad, I'm angry, and I.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Was like, yeah, I'm twelve, but I feel that.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And so what's cool for me now is I get
to like spend time with these guys and because you know,
they're fifty five, sometimes older than that, and just talk
to them a little bit. And I was talking to
the lead singer Candlebox that had them on my radio show,
and I love Candlebox. Did you know that they were
like not really well loved by that grunge world because apparently,
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I don't know. I guess they came in on the
tail end. And since they were a bit different. What
do you know about that anything?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I mean, yeah, I know, you know, it's like we
didn't have this word back then, but the scene was
pretty gatekeepy and it was like, you know, if you weren't.
I mean, I remember Stone Tumble Pilots too, who I love.
People were like, it's not really grunge or you know
they There was just so much especially in the nineties,
of like who's authentic, who's not authentic? Did you come
from this scene? It's like, do you possibly want to
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make money? If so, you're bad? But as weird as
a fan, especially as a kid, it's like I loved
all those bands. I love Candleblocks of you know, anybody
who was on MTV. Oh, Silverchair was huge.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And they were kids too, which I thought was super cool.
They were like the cool handsen Dire. Yeah, it was like,
you know, you had Hanson and then you had like
the cool hands from Australia. But when I was talking
to the guys with Candlebox, a bit of the beef
towards them was that they had like a song, and
that song blew up so big it made them famous quickly.
(23:51):
They just almost formed and that everybody was resentful because
of not everybody, but in that world was resentful because
they just got together. There one song blew up, and
here they were playing bigger shows than a lot of
the bands that were having success but had been together
for ten, fifteen, twenty years or so. I just kind
of thought that that was right, that that back from
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back in the nineties, when everybodys supposed to not care,
they sure didn't care a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it was. Yeah, if you
didn't pay your dues, if it was possible, you were,
you know, an industry plant, if you know, you were
put together. I mean, was that was the knock on?
Like Weezer when they first came out. You know, Weezer
got a lot of you know, a lot of crap
that they were like just corporate pixies or something. But yeah,
(24:37):
I mean, doing these stories, every single band went through something,
so like every band had failures, every band had struggles,
Like nobody really was handed to it on a silver platter.
But like, you know, maybe you just didn't know. I mean,
like when Third Eye Blind came out, you know, I
think like people didn't realize that this guy had been
struggling for ten years. I mean, there's so many bands
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like that were it seems like they came out of nowhere,
but you don't know all the bands they were in before,
all the stuff they went through.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So who do you love?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I mean, yeah, like you I grew up with with
nineties alternative. I mean, seeing Nirvana for the first time
was just like life changing. Smashing Pumpkins was another one
that was big for me Green Day and then because
I'm watching MTV, like I got into nineties hip hop too,
so like you know, right after Smashing Pumpkins, you'd see Snoop,
You'd see Dre. You know, I was into jay Z
(25:28):
and Notorious Big. So really, like you know, everything.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
We were lucky enough to have Napster and the introduction
of it doesn't matter what your regional music store has
or how much they have of it, because there is
no regional music store on Napster. It's whatever you want
as much as you want to. And I remember I
would be so upset with Metallic. I would be like,
you shouldn't be downloaded our music for free. And now
(25:55):
as an adult, I'm like I was an idiot, Like
we thought we deserved all that music were we thought
we just deserved it, but it did.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Introduce me to again.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I was a massive hip hop head as well, and
there was a stage where I kind of got out
of country music because I'd been in it for so long.
That we are lucky because we were here for the
first part of kind of the digital music revolution where
I don't know about you, but I would just hit
letter A and go to sleep and just download every
song they started with A.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, I mean that that was so fun, that being like, oh,
in the morning, I'm going to have an album to
listen to. No, it's great, I mean it's it's just
weird because you just you can't outrun the technology, Like
is it right? No, but the technology exists, and as
soon as as soon as you knew what the technology
was capable of, you knew like it was over. And
(26:49):
you know, we've sort of come up with a solution
with Spotify and stuff. But I mean, even that, you know,
is not the best for artists, but it's just there's
there was no like putting the genie back in the
bottle when Napster came around.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So what about AI and these AI songs? Because I
found myself enjoying some of them. I heard Kanye doing
country music. I've heard Notorious Big doing some NWA stuff,
and so like.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I just heard that easy did you so?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah doing Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, it's so legit. I what do you think about?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Guess personally as a consumer, it's so fun to listen to.
How do you feel as someone that is in the
industry now about music and AI and how they can
quickly make a song that actually wasn't created by anyone
except a computer.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right, I Mean it's so like the legal side of
my brain is so fascinating because like, what are the
copyright rules going to be? Who's Let's say you put
out one of these AI songs and it becomes a hit,
Like who owns that song?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Is it Notorious Big? It's not really him, is it?
You know? Like the.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
NWA is it the person who created the AI? Who
told the AI what to make? Like do they get
any percentage of it?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So it's very fascinating for like, you know, there's all
this kind of stuff where there's no rules, so who
knows what's gonna happen? Like we're gonna have to you know.
It's almost like the beginning of sampling when you had
like glory days of eighties sampling, like the Bomb Squad
and the early Beastie Boys records where it's just like,
let's take every single thing we can imagine and put
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it on records because there's no real rules yet, and
then they had to have cases and invent you know,
sampling laws. So I think the same thing is gonna
happen with AI, Like people are going to use this
to make cool stuff, and then we're gonna have to
figure out like, Okay, this is not actually ethical or
you know, legal to do, but it's I mean, the
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possibilities are fascinating.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I would assume that what what it derives from is
who probably will end up making some money. Meaning if
they had to go and say this end of this
Big e Easy song, well, you've taken parts of Notorious
(29:09):
Big like you you've taken him doing something and used
it and analyzed and made this song. And you've also
taken a song that easy the NBA got they wrote,
whomever wrote it, And so I feel like it's going
to be a split almost like it is a publishing split.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, They're going to have to figure out the the
math on it.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, even but like like a I'll have just We'll
just be you know, deeping around here, because I'm in
a comedy music group, and you can just tell it
to write a funny song and it'll it's not that
funny yet, but it'll write a funny song. And if
we were to record that, I never have to admit
it came from AI.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I just say I did it. There's nothing can do about.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It, right, No, it's so fascinating. I mean I tried
it when Chad Gpt first came out. I tried to
get it to write a story in the style of myself,
and like it's not there, but it's pretty close. Like
it was wrong about a few things, but it gets
you pretty close, Like you know it could get there
(30:07):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Do the child crooner who became a rock icon, if
you don't mind giving me a little bit of that
for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Sure, So this one, I remember setting it up. I
kind of gave away the reveal pretty early because it's
pretty hard to disguise this guy's name. So I think
for a while, I just said, like this kid. So,
this kid Go is from the Bay Area in northern California.
He's like five years old. He goes into this music shop.
There's like the local music shop, and the family's musical.
(30:38):
The dad is like a jazz drummer and you know,
some musicans and family, and the mom maybe wants to
get the kids some piano lessons, and the owners of
the music store just like taken with this kid. He's
got this mop of like blonde curly hair. It's like
this charming kid, so like, ooh, can he sing? And
he starts singing and they're like, oh my god, this
kid is amazing. And it's like a big family, so
(30:59):
money's kind of tight. So in order to get the
piano lessons, the owners of this music shop also the
guy who owns it as a songwriter, and he's like,
what if you have your kid record one of my
songs and like I'll put it out on my independent
label and then like we'll give you some free piano lessons.
And so they cut this one song with this little
(31:21):
kid singing on it, and on the back he only
wrote one song, so on the back is actually an
interview with the kid. And they put out and I
think it's like, you know, five hundred copies or something
like that, and it was, you know, not a hit.
It is just circulated locally in the Bay Area. But
if you have a copy of this, this seven inch single,
(31:41):
it's worth a lot of money because it's the first
recording of Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day and then
but his name is Billy Joe, and there's no way
to really hide that, like like Billy would kind of
give it away, like you know, so I kind of
went early on that one. But I mean the story
(32:01):
is like just so fascinating. It like it gets a
little tragic. His dad passes away when he's young, and
that kind of forces him to just get deep, deep
into music, and he becomes obsessed and he takes guitar lessons,
and then he gets into punk rock, and then he
meets Mike Dirnt, who you know, just becomes like his
kind of musical soulmate for years. And then they start
(32:23):
this band in high school, Sweet Children, and then a
big part of the story, the big part of the
story is Gilman Street in Berkeley, which you know, is
this famous music venue, and they get their start there
and then when the major labels come calling, they have
this push between if we sign with a major label,
we're never we're not allowed to play Gilman Street anymore
(32:45):
because they had a rule no major labels could play
there because it's supposed to be a place for independent bands.
But that's like where they got their start, and you know,
all the bands they idolized, like Operation IVY were from there.
So it was like, je, we stay here and know
we're never going to get big, or do we want
as many people as possible to hear our music? And
so obviously they opted for that one, and you know,
(33:07):
became became Green Day that we know and love.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
But yeah, he got to start.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
On as a five year old singing on this song
which I can't remember that it's something like for your
Love or something with love in it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think when I look back at albums were very
instrumental to my i'll call them my formative views. I mean,
Dookie is probably a top five album for me because one,
it just had so many hits, but two, even when
I started to learn how to play music, like the
dream was the longview bassline.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Boomb bomb Bomb.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, Like there were so many parts of that record
that affected me in so many ways, and the fact
that there were only three of them.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I saw them in concert.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I seen my concert a few times and I'll give
you the quick version of it that they You know,
they have people come up and play their instruments.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Have you ever seen Green Day live Patrick.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
In the nineties. Yeah, I saw live.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think it was before they before they did the
somebody up and play the instrument thing, which I love.
I've seen on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So they pulled a guy and they're like, all right,
who could play the bass?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And they guy kid who played the drums, the drummer
boom were doing good.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And then they bring the guitar player up and he's like,
all right, let's let's get it. And the kids sucked.
He didn't want to play guitar. No funniest thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And Bill Joe's like.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Get the hef off here and he grabs Hi back
and plays it with the other two guys. Like one
of my favorite concert moments ever. But Doukie was such
a big album to me. Concerts though big part of
I'm kind of jaded now at this point, but for you,
like best concert ever, favorite ever.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So the best concert I've ever been to, hands down
was Prince. I'm a huge Prince fan and I saw
him on his Musicology tour in the early two thousands,
and like, I don't, you know, I don't love stadium shows.
You know, it's just it's hard to get it to
sound good and you're way in the back and you're
watching on a monitor, Like I could have stayed home,
(34:59):
but he was playing at the Anaheim Pond in Anaheim,
and I just, you know, I got to see Princes.
So I went, even though it was a stadium, and
it was like the most intimate concert in my life. Like,
I don't know how he does it. Somehow he made
it seem like I was. He was in my living room,
like just the best performer I've ever seen. Amazing guitar player,
like amazing singer. Like it's just insane how much talent
(35:22):
this one man had, and like in the studio and
live to have all that talent was just blew me away.
But that was the best concert, by far I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
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Speaker 3 (35:45):
This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I used to live in Austin, Texas, loved there for
twelve years. And I went to this bar, small outdoor venue,
but it was a pretty It wasn't like a grimy
outdoor venue.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
It was kind of upscaleish version.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
And so I go and I didn't know they had
any music, because there really was anything playing.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There was no band set up.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
And I get on the elevator and first of all,
the elevator won't come down. They're only three floors. The
elevator will not calm down, and I'm sitting there forever.
And I'm also not gonna walk upstairs because I don't know.
I was lazy, loser, and so I keep waiting and
it goes to two, and then it sits on two forever,
(36:29):
and finally it comes down being it opens and in
the elevator this I mean massive dudes. I think four,
possibly three massive dudes in this elevator, but I don't
think anything about it. I'm gonna get in the elevator
and go up. And so they didn't get off, though
it was the weird thing. For some reason, it hit one.
These big dudes stayed on the elevator and they didn't
get so, okay, well they didn't come out. So I
(36:51):
just got in and I was gonna go up to
three and I look kind of behind me in between
the big dudes.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's freaking Prince.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Yes, that's so cool. Anything No, no, I say anything.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I want to be There are four big dudes in
there that didn't want me to say anything. But I
just remember being like, holy crap, that's Prince and he
was and he had on tall boots like hills, like
but he's still I don't know how tall. Prince says,
you may if you have team. He was so small
that I would have thought it was a woman. And
to watch him play guitar like literally one of the
(37:23):
best guitar players. I don't think he even gets the credit
for how good of a guitar player he is because
he wrote and has so many massive hits where he
sings that it's easy to forget how elite of a
guitar player he was. I would watch some of these
shows where he would be on stage playing guitar with
other artists who could really play guitar, and it's like
when you put eminem on a track, like you don't
(37:44):
do that because he will come on and even if
it's your song, it will then be the song that, yeah,
he'll take it over. And I think Prince is very underrated,
and I think people are very under educated on how
great of a guitar player and musician that he was.
Have you been to Paisley Park or anywhere like that.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I did.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I went right at the end of twenty sixteen,
you know, right when he passed away. They just opened
and I went. I have some family in Minnesota because
my mom is from there, so I wanted to go
see it right when it opened. And it's pretty amazing,
amazing experience. I mean, of all the artists, every story
about Prince is insane, like your story about meeting him
(38:23):
and he's like four giants. Every story about Prince is insane,
and it's like fascinating. But yeah, Paisley Park is really cool. Yeah,
he was a special, special guy.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
We were talking before we started this about your podcast,
so just to go back over it with you good
measure with Patrick Kicks. So on this podcast, what are
you getting into? Is it stuff that you've done on
TikTok or is it just your general music knowledge about
things that have happened and are happening.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, so thanks for bringing it up. Yeah. So originally
I was like a lot of people were asking me
to do a podcast. I was like, all right, I
can just take some of my TikTok story and do
them in a podcast format, and I was like, that's
kind of it's kind of cheating people, Like I got
to do fresh stories. So yeah, each episode is three
stories basically like what I would do on TikTok, but
(39:12):
expand it out so instead of five minutes, they're like
ten to fifteen minutes and just more in depth. And
then there's like a central theme. So like the first
episode is about going solo because you know, I was
doing doing a podcast on my own. So it's like
artists from bands that were not successful that then became
(39:34):
successful solo artists. So three different stories on that theme,
and then I bring in clips of interviews and you know,
play the music obviously, and yeah, it's just like a
little more in depth in the than the TikTok for
people who want to go deeper. It's a little more serious,
like the you know, the Tic TACs. I try not
(39:54):
to be too depressing, so if a story is too
too tragic, you know, people might not want to watch
that when they're scrolling through dance videos. But so we
talk about a little more some more of the tragic
rock and roll stories like Elliott Smith and stuff like that,
where it really kind of deserves more than just a
couple of minutes on TikTok. So it was a lot
of fun. There's a lot of work. I'm doing it
(40:15):
in seasons. That's kind of the only way to keep saying.
So I just finished the first season and then season
two TBD.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Good Measure with Patrick Kicks.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
If you likes Tiktoks, I think I'm going to go
and check it out, actually subscribe to the freaking podcast
because again, to me, I'm lucky enough to get to
have big stars actually come to my house, right, And
it's weird sometimes when somebody comes into my house and
we do this. But I I was really excited to
talk to you today because to me, you're like the coolest.
Could you talk about things that I care about? And
I see you. I probably see you on my phone
(40:48):
more than I see my wife. So two more things
I want to do so and then we we'll wrap
this up. But will you give me the country star
who wanted to rock? Because I think my audience will
love that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, for sure. I didn't do this one as a reveal.
Do you want me to do it reveal style or
just regular?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just think the story's so good I just want
to want nobody hear the story.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, so this is about Tanya Tucker, who I was
going to see. So I wanted to do a story
about her. First of all, amazing show. She's so good live.
I really feel like, no matter what style of music
you like, watch Tanya Tucker because she like had the
audience in the palm of her hand and so so.
But I wanted to tell the story of her like
(41:31):
rock and roll record, which I thought it was just
really fascinating. So Tanya Tucker gets her start as a
child star. She has her first you know single when
she's like thirteen years old, and is you know, like
anytime there's a child star, they're very like, okay, we
want them to be a child and never grow up,
and they're very like this, she must be innocent and
pure forever. And she has all this massive success, like
(41:53):
she had her greatest hits album when she was fifteen,
which is just you know, this is insane pressure to
put on a kid. So she grows up a little
and she wants to like expand and she wants to
do this rock and roll record, and she gets this
new management team who had never worked with a country
star they wanted to help a country star crossover, and
you know, she was big in country, and she wanted
(42:14):
to be like a superstar, you know, across across the board,
which I think she deserved to do. You know, she
she wanted to be like the Taylor Swift of her day.
So she goes to put out this rock and roll record,
but then she has this listening party in Nashville and
everybody like hates it. Everybody's like what is this and
she's devastated. She's like, I've ruined my career by going
(42:36):
rock and roll. And so the album is called TNT, which,
like you now you think putting it on, like this
is gonna be a CDC or something. It's not that hardcore,
like it is very still like you know, country country rock.
And she heard the rock and roll songs are like
not Fade Away by Buddy Holly, but kind of done
in the Rolling Stone style, Chuck Berry, like Elvis, that
(42:57):
kind of rock and roll. It's like, it's not that,
but apparently it was like too much for people to handle.
And she's like, that's it. I ruined my career. I
destroyed my career. And then everybody sees the album artwork,
and it causes this like uproar because this innocent, you know,
child star is now grown up and has like a
sexy album cover which looks very tame by today's standards,
(43:20):
like people probably might know the record, so like on
the front she has a microphone like cord between her
legs and she's wearing tight pants, but it's still like
pretty tame. And then on the inside there was a
poster which if you watch like the I think it's
the A and E biography on Tanya Tucker. I think
Travis Tritt is like I had that poster up on
(43:41):
my wall. I didn't like I did dirty thing, so
that Tanya Tucker poster. But it's just hurting like a
red jumpsuit and she's standing backwards and just tight pants
and her back is out. It's really not that scandals
but everybody, like the reviews were like she's gone full
sex kit and like she's this is so scandalous. And
she's not super proud of that record, like she has
(44:02):
said like maybe that was a mistake, but it ended
up being her biggest selling record, like she you know,
she's sold a lot of copies of it. I think
it's not a bad record, but in her biography in
the nineties she said that she regretted doing it, but
I like it and she's just one of my heroes,
like she's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
All right, final thing here, everybody go follow Patrick Hicks
eighty two on TikTok And if you've listened this far
into this podcast, you're obviously a music fan like I am,
and so I just really recommend you do it. Also,
the podcast Good Measure with Patrick Kicks it is there
for you.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And so no spoiler on the story.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I didn't want to ask you who's next, because because
I don't, then I won't get to play, you know,
and I really look forward to to get into play.
How many do you have done written already as of
righte this moment?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Last question?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
None really, so I don't write a script, so none
are really written ahead of time. I do have one
that's recorded and ready to go, but it's not really
a spoiler. So if you saw the video I posted yesterday,
it's actually just a continuation of that video.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I don't plan that far in advance because I kind
of just go, like what am I feeling? You know,
it's still just a hobby for me. So I want
it to be fun. I want it to be fun
for me, and like what story is grabbing me today
that I want to tell? So I have no idea
what's going to be. Next week we'll find out. I
have some ideas, but I have no idea what it's
actually going to be.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
He's a rock and roll he doesn't know, he care.
I just living live. You know, whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I know more rock and roll than that, Patrick, honestly,
big fan. It's it's so cool that, you know, I mean,
for me, this is the coolest thing that I get
to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
So thank you, dud, Thank you so much. Yeah, anytime
you want me back.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh, don't say that, I'll be calling you at home.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Hey man, we're not recording or anything, but you want
to talk about so.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
So yeah, let's I'd love to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Keep up the good work and hopefully, and I do
think it'll happen, you'll be able to do this for
a living.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Is that the goal?
Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's yeah, totally the goal. I mean it wasn't when
I started, but you know, it's like cool stuff keeps happening.
You know, I'm getting opportunities to do like partnerships with
record labels and you know, stuff I never thought was possible.
So I'm hoping TV show or sponsorship or something.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's awesome. Patrick, thank you for your time, buddy, Hope
you have a good day.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, no, you too, man, Thank you so much all.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I love this episode of The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
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So my wife loves this Ted talk about doing a
thirty day challenge. She was like, you need to do
something new and creative. She laughed at me when I
said it was going to be a TikTok channel, and
she was like, what are you going to do on TikTok?
And I was like, maybe I'll tell music stories. I
know a lot of good music stories. And she's like,
nobody is going to want to see you tell a
music story.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Episode three ninety seven. His name is Patrick Kicks. He's
somebody that I followed on TikTok for a long time
and then I just thought it was one of those
Eureka moments. Eureka, let's get him on the Bobbycast because
he is so knowledgeable about music. He has almost half
a million followers now just from him getting on and
telling stories. And all he does is put the phone
(00:47):
up next to his face pretty close.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, he was right on him.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And he's always on the same couch and he tells
these stories, but you never really know who he's talking
about until he gets to the end. He'll be like, yep,
he grew up a small boy in a farm back
in Minnesota, and you know what he loved to play soccer,
and then all of a sudden, next thing, you know,
it's Brandon Flower from The Killers. Now I made the
whole first part of that out, but he walks you
through his whole story without saying who it is, and
(01:11):
so he's just real good. And so from that I thought,
let's get him on a talk and that's what we did.
We talked about a lot of stuff. I mean, I
can say who we talked about, right, because we didn't
run like his bits. Yeah you can do that, okay,
Like the one about third Eye Blind super cool to me.
Even when I was watching it on his Instagram or
his his TikTok, I was like, wow, really there's the
(01:32):
tangent talker one that's really interesting too. So we go
through a lot of the stories. We also talk about him,
I mean, normal dude, like went to law school.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Right.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
It was like an attorney that was like, I don't
like this anymore, still works, but started doing this has
you know, built such a following and now he's doing
what he loves.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
It's the best in music.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
From you know, different genres, from fascinating, heartfelt, inspirational tales.
His name is Pat Hope. You check him out on TikTok.
I hope you listen to this podcast, and I hope
you check out his podcast. It's called Good Measure with
Patrick Hicks. He also worked as a booking agent at
Whiskey a Go Go in La. So he's done a
bunch of different stuff in music. And he was in
a band, right, punk band.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
He was in a punk band. What was your big
takeaway from this?
Speaker 5 (02:17):
Every story I wanted him in with, and that boy
grew up to be Bobby Bones, all of it.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, he also has a good culture. I don't know
if we talked about this on his TikTok where don't
spoil it in the comments.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, he won't take it down.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But everybody else will run you over, and like then
they'll like everybody who's running you over?
Speaker 3 (02:35):
So yours isn't even in the top ten or so. Yeah,
and it's.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Crazy to get that many amount of views on a
TikTok with like no text.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
No, it's just a straight story, just him in his
head telling a story.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
So here he is. I follow him. I'm a big fan.
His name is Patrick Hicks. Episode three ninety seven of
The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Patrick.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Let me say first of all, that I'm a huge fan.
And is that weird to hear from people that they're
because I am a huge fan of yours.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
No, that's amazing. I mean it's it's still weird. Yeah,
it's and especially coming from you, that's it's surreal. But yeah,
I'm starting to get used to a little bit. I've
done some you know, zooms where I've set up some
sponsorships and you know, I've talked to people and they're like,
oh my gosh, it's you. That's the brown couch right there.
(03:25):
So that's, uh, yeah, it's strange, but it's fun.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Where do you live?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
I live in Chicago, So I live in a neighborhood
called Albany Park. I just live in like a regular
apartment on the third floor, and uh, just have this
kind of not that expensive couch that is the star
of my tic TACs.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
They kind of the genesis of me.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Knowing who you are is probably the genesis of everybody
knowing who you are where. I'm a massive music fan.
I've worked in all formats and yeah, I grew up
in Arkansas, so I'm obviously a massive country music fan,
but you know, I worked in pop and hip hop
and alternative, and so I just love music. I love
classic rock, and I think because I searched for so
(04:09):
many things on TikTok, you kind of came into my
algorithm and I was like, oh, this is an interesting
kind of deal. I didn't follow you the first time.
About the third time, which is pretty quick, I was like,
I got to follow this guy because of how he
tells the stories. So when you first started, you know,
your first one, two or three tiktoks that you made,
did you start telling the story where You're like, this
(04:31):
is the story, but I'm telling it in a way
of a lot of this stuff you had no idea
until you reveal who it's actually about.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, that was never the plan, and a lot of
people kind of compare it to Paul Harvey that was
like that was not really an influence. I didn't really
think of that.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
When I first started, it was just here's some stories
I know, kind of off the top of my head, Like,
here's some fun like stories I know just from years
of like reading music by our and watching documentaries. And
then as I kept going, I started doing more research,
they started becoming more involved, and then I did one
on nine inch nails and as I was doing the research,
(05:13):
I was like, you know, a lot of people might
not know that Trent is Trent Resnor's middle name. His
first name is Michael. And as I was doing more
research on it, I was like, you know, he, if
you didn't know, you were reading about nine inch Nails,
you would never believe that this story is going to
lead up to Trent Resnor because he is this very
straight laced kind of boy scout. He you know, he
(05:33):
was inspired to get into music by an Eagles concert.
There was all these kind of things that I thought
was interesting, and I was like, you know, if I
just told the story is saying this is about a
guy named Michael who was a hardworking janitor who was
recording music at night, it would be a big surprise
when you found out this was Trent Resner. So it
was kind of just going to be a one off
for that story. And then people responded to it like
(05:57):
so well of like oh my god, the reveal was
so cool. Then I was like, let me try this
a couple more times. And then then people were like,
I make a game out of it, you know, this
is like the best game to play is to try
to figure out how fast can I figure out who
you're talking about? So then I kind of fell into
that kind of being my thing of like, I don't
want to let people down if they're literally playing drinking
(06:18):
games trying to solve the musical mystery. So it definitely
has evolved over over time, but that was not the
original plan.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
But it seems to be working.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, it does seem to be working. That is an understatement.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
So I want to do a couple of things, and
I kind of want to balance from stories that I've
seen from you that i'd like you to at least
talk about a little bit, but then also your live sure,
also the TikTok growth that you've had. So we're going
to kind of walk three linear paths at the same time.
If you're cool with that, love it, okay, sure. One
(06:54):
of the ones that I watched the viewers and I've
seen them all. One of the ones because I like
to play and I like to try to figure it out,
and some of them again because I do feel like
I'm pretty well versed in a lot of different music.
The one that blew my mind and I'm not going
to say who it was, and you don't have to
do exactly like you did.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
But the band that proved everyone wrong, Like.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Oh, okay, that was the one that.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I was like, dang, he got me. I gotta get
him on the show.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
So just to talk me through the band that proved
everyone wrong?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Sure, So, so starts with a guy I called Steve,
who I believe does not like being called Steve, but
you know, to obfuscate a little bit. So start with
a guy named Steve who grows up mostly in the
Bay Area in California, and his dad is actually a
professor at Berkeley. And he grows up and he has
(07:47):
a lot of struggles growing up. You know, his parents
are divorced. He has dyslexia, which is is a issue
for him succeeding in school. And he at one point
has this teacher, like a sixth grade teacher who tells
him that he'll never even graduate high school, like basically
like you're never going to be anything. So he's of
course determined to prove her wrong, and you know, prove
(08:07):
everybody wrong, and doubles down. You know, his dad is
a professor, so his dad helps him. He does end
up graduating high school, ends up going to Berkeley for college,
and he studies English literature and you know, it does
very well. But then he starts to get into music.
So in high school he's a drummer. He drums in
some rock bands. But then in college he starts getting
(08:29):
into hip hop. So this is like the eighties. You know,
he's starting to get inspired by the rap you know boom,
especially in the Bay Area. A lot of cool stuff
happening there. So he starts this rap group with it's him,
it's this rapper from Detroit and it's this two man
you know, rap duo, and they don't have a ton
of success, except they get a song on the Beverly
(08:50):
Hills nine O two one oh soundtrack, like real random,
but they reach out to them to do this song.
He he'd never seen the show before, but he was like,
you know, this is an opportunity, so let's do it.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Has this song.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
The name of the rap group they're called Puck and Natty,
and it's a play on there was like a Bay
Area jazz group called Tuck and Patty. So weird name,
weird sound. You know, he's white, the Detroit rapper is black,
so it's like a you know, mixed race hip hop
duo and it's not like, you know, it's not hardcore.
It's not like gang Star or something. It's pretty like
(09:24):
poppy hip hop. Then they have this song on the
Beverly Hills now to a O soundtrack, and that's about it.
That's like the height of their success. They go their
separate ways, they break up, and it seems like, man,
what am I going to do?
Speaker 2 (09:37):
You know?
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It's he's a few years out of.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
College, and so he puts together this rock band and
he says like he has all these songs in his head,
but he hasn't. He doesn't have a band to get together.
Like nothing is working out finding band members. Finally he
finds this guy to play guitar. They get some other
people they like, get a solid band, they get a
little bit of a following in the Bay Area, and
(10:00):
they finally end up getting signed. There's a lot more
interesting stuff to how they get signed, but eventually they
get signed, and they sign with Electra Records because what
they really want is creative control. So they sign with
the label that will give them creative control. They're on
the same page. They let Steve produce the album himself
co produce it, but where the only part where they
(10:22):
have a fight is over the first single because they
have this song that's actually a throwback to the Puck
and Natty days. It's kind of like the verses are
rapped by the lead singer and they feel it doesn't
really represent the rest of their music. They don't really
want to put it out as the first single, but
the labels like, now this is going to be a hit.
I mean, it's a weird song too. It has a
(10:45):
chorus that basically is a bite of Lou Reed's Walk
on the wild Side, and the lyrics are filthy. The
lyrics are about sex and drugs, like hardcore drug references,
but very poppy, like very radio friendly. And so the
wins and they put out the first single, which is
semi Charmed Life by Third Eye Blind, and they were
(11:07):
the band. The band is right, it doesn't sound like
the rest of the record, but the rest of the
record is amazing. And you know that there's five singles
off that which is crazy all hits, and that first record,
you know, blows up and goes whatever, went double platinum
or something. I mean, one of my favorite records of
the nineties. But that song is a throwback to this
(11:28):
hip hop duo that he had, and then an interesting
thing that like I didn't even get time to tell
in the story, but he apparently was lived up the
street from where Linda Perry from Four Non Blondes worked
and they would hang out. She was like a waitress
and they would hang out and she played him, you know,
the four Non Blonde song What's Up? And he played
her semi charmed life, and you know, like, these are
(11:51):
the songs we're working on, and he's like, thinking back,
it was like, you know, millions and millions of records
sold from those two songs that we played when we
were star irving artists. But yes, that's that's Third Eye Blind.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
That's such a good story.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
And it's like that you know what I felt like
to me when you ended it was I see dead
people and you finally realize that he's a ghost. I was,
and you're like, oh, because you called him Steve. And
what I start to do, because you will drop little crumbs.
You got to identify the crumb because sometimes I go
after crumbs and aren't crumbs. And I'm like, okay, he said
square house. And by the way, I've missed whatever else
(12:25):
that I was supposed to catch, So.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
That started off blind.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
One was so good and with your music knowledge, Like,
what is your music background? Did you ever have a
job where you're like managing somebody, You're a book in somebody?
Speaker 3 (12:40):
What is it for you?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
So I was a little bit like I had wanted
to work in the music industry. I played in like
punk bands my whole life, and I went to this
place in Hollywood called the Musicians Institute that had like
a music business program. I was not like a great student.
I didn't I didn't go to college after high school.
I eventually went to community college. But at the time
I in my early twenties, I was like, I don't
(13:02):
know what to do. So I'm going to go to
this music business school. And then I got an internship
and then I worked for a little bit at the
Whiskey of Go Go in West Hollywood, So I was
a booking agent there. But I did not take the
music business by storm or anything, and I kind of
like realized this is not, you know, like going to
be a career. So eventually I went back to school
and I went to law school. That was literally my
(13:23):
only foray into the music industry. I thought, like I
got to do something else to, you know, have a
career and have like a more stable life. And then
as a hobby, I started doing music stuff. And then
now I'm hoping maybe I turned this hobby into my
career and I come full circle. So I don't know,
we'll see.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
You went to law school. Are you a lawyer?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So that's what I thought I was going to do.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
But yeah, no, I went to law school and I
kind of did all the stuff you're supposed to do.
I got good grades. My first year, I got like
a summer job at this prestigious law firm, and I
just hated it and I was not good at it,
I'll be honest, and the feeling was mutual. They were like,
you're not going to work here, which is kind of
(14:07):
like impossible, Like almost everybody who gets the summer.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Job they hire you after graduation.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And they were like Patrick, No, it was one of
those like everybody who's going to be working here, take
a step forward, Patrick, not so fast. So yeah, so
I graduated without a job, and then I was like
I just the experience I got, actually, you know, working
in a law firm. I did not want to be
a lawyer, so I just you know, transitioned to a
kind of like jd preferred job. So it helps that
(14:33):
I have a law degree, but I don't actually have
to practice law.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
So the fact that you do these tiktoks, and I
assume that takes up a lot of your time because
you have to research it, and people, I think a
lot of people myself included, at first was just like man,
he just rolling this stuff off the dome. But then
I started to realize because there was so much information
in them, that you were really putting in a lot
of work to make these things not only entertaining but
(14:59):
information and also a game. Like it's both of those
trying to figure it out. Is this what you do
all day?
Speaker 4 (15:05):
No?
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So so no, I do have a real job. I
have like a regular nine to five, and I just
squeeze it in when I can.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
You know, at night.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I have two little kids, so trying to put them
to bed at night, that's when I'll be doing my
research after they go to bed. A lot of times
I'm recording lunch breaks, I'm researching. So it, yeah, it
takes up a lot of time. It's like all my
free time basically, But I do also have a job
and a family on top of that, but I do
like doing it, so it's all fun.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
So and this all started because I was reading about
a thirty day challenge. Your wife was she the one
that suggested the thirty day challenge?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Absolutely, so my wife loves this. Ted talk about doing
a thirty day challenge, and it's basically like do something
for thirty days, and at the end of the thirty days,
like you could have a product, like write a book,
you know, work on it every day for thirty days.
At the end of it, you have written a book.
Maybe it's not a good book, but like you did it.
And so it's just kind of, you know, a way
to get something jump started. And you know, we always
(16:04):
just like to stay creative, do different creative projects. She
was like doing an NFT like she was learning all
about getting into the NFT world and she designed her
own thing and put it up for sale. I don't know,
We're always just trying to like do different stuff. And
we both were obsessed with TikTok, like we watched it
all the time, and so she was like, you need
to do something new and creative, do a new thirty
(16:25):
day challenge. And I was like, what if I start
a TikTok channel. So all the credit to her for
the inspiration, but I will say that she laughed at
me when I said it was going to be a
TikTok channel, and she was like, what are you going
to do on TikTok? And I was like, maybe I'll
tell music stories. I know a lot of good music stories.
And she's like, nobody is going to want to see
you tell a music story. So I do rub it
(16:45):
in her face a lot that.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
You're Stephen Jenkins. There we go.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
You're Stephen Jenkins and she's a sixth grade teacher. That's
what it is right there.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
The Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow, and we're
back on the Bobby Cast. So my guy here that
runs all the video, he's really good.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
His name is Read.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
You're not gonna be able to see him, but Read.
You pulled the microphone up for a second. So I
want to move over to a story.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Read. Have you seen all the stories?
Speaker 4 (17:16):
I have?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Not?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Ok?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Actually, so if you don't mind, Patrick, I would like
for you and I want read.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Read.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
When you think you know it, just raise your hand
and I will stop you. And I'll stop Patrick. But
I want Patrick if you don't mind, would you please
tell the story that is titled the Rapper who Got Exiled?
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Oh yeah, okay, So he's going to tell the story.
Read this is what I do.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I watch him and I see when I can figure
him out. And when you think you know it, just
raise your hand.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Okay, okay, okat it okay.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So this has to do with a rapper doing a
promotion that was in conjunction with Walmart. And he's doing
this online promotion where whatever Walmart in the United States
that fans pick, this rapper will go to this Walmart
and do a special appearance there and it's going to
be based on a fan vote. And so this rapper
(18:06):
is one that is a little bit mimified online and
so some people in the online community thought it would
be fun to mess with him and send him to
the most remote Walmart humanly possible. And a lot of
people are in on it, but it's really spearheaded by
this journalist who worked for this website something awful, and
(18:27):
so he kind of starts this petition. He starts this
hashtag exile blank because they find a Walmart location in Alaska,
but not even like an anchorage in like an island
off the southern coast of Alaska, where like a population
of a couple thousand people, and it's like a Walmart
that only it has like you know, hunting supplies and snowshoes.
(18:51):
It's like a very specific Alaskan Walmart, and it's the
most remote one possible. And so of course it's a
fan vote, so it starts getting all this attention and
it wins by a landslide. I think it's a Facebook vote,
but yeah, so this location in Alaska wins by a landslide.
And this kind of stuff has happened before with like
(19:12):
online votes, and there's usually like a disclaimer like we're
not we don't really have to go by what the
fans say. Like if you know the story about body
mcboat face in England, they didn't really name the boat
body mcboat face, Like they reserved the right to not
do it. So they could have backed out. They could
have been like this was obviously rigged. We're not going
to send this this rapper to Alaska. But the rapper
(19:33):
is like, I'll go to Alaska. He's like, you know,
there probably are some people there who like my music.
I'm going to go to Alaska. So he goes, and
this guy who was the kind of spearhead of it
to David Thorpe, I think it was his name. Walmart
is like, do you want to come too? This could
be like a good opportunity, but they weren't going to
pay for him. They're like, you have to meet us there,
(19:53):
but you know you could go, And he was like, well, no,
I can't afford to fly to Alaska for a joke.
And Pipple it's like, bring that guy too, I will
pay for him to go. Oh, I gave up the
name myself.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
That's okay, finish the story.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Finish the story.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
So it is pit Bull.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
So Pitpull goes to Alaska and does this promotion at
this rural remote Walmart. He brings in David Thorpe, who
like does photos with him and and it's like this
amazing experience because it's this big deal for the town,
like everybody comes. They have like traditional Inuit dancers there,
and he gives like this motivational speech and actually turns
(20:35):
into this like super beautiful moment. And then David Thorpe
tells this great story where he's like I got to
talk to pit Bull and he's worried, like his pit
bull is going to be mad at me, like does
he know I was making fun of him? And Pipole
basically is just like, there's an expletive involved, but I'll
bleep it. But he's basically like, you know what, keep
messing with people. Next time we'll be on the moon.
(20:57):
I was like, that's the best. That's the best pipple
line you could ever have.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
So again, it's one after another, these awesome stories. But
this isn't the first time that I think that you've
been creative. Have you written, because obviously there's a lot
of writing that goes into this. Have you been a
writer at all in other ways?
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, So I always kind of felt like I was
supposed to be a writer. My parents are both journalists,
so I've always kind of like wanted to be a
writer in some capacity.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
I had like an MP three blog back in the
day when those were cool, and yeah, just like I've
written screenplays that was like kind of my hobby before
I got into this, which I didn't even like think
of it, but most of them did involve music in
some way. But yes, I've written screenplays, I've written like articles,
(21:45):
but yeah, I had a podcast like I've just always
been doing creative stuff. I've never been just a guy
who does a job and then you know, go home
and watch his TV. I just like, not that there's
anything wrong with that, that's just I've always been doing
something creative to be happy.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
You know, my wheelhouse is probably nineties alternative because it's
when I grew up, and that was like music.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
Yeah, it's like music that kind of spoke for me.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I felt like country music spoke about where I was from,
but I didn't feel like it really spoke like how
I felt. But then you had all these bands then
they're like, I'm sad, I'm angry, and I.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Was like, yeah, I'm twelve, but I feel that.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And so what's cool for me now is I get
to like spend time with these guys and because you know,
they're fifty five, sometimes older than that, and just talk
to them a little bit. And I was talking to
the lead singer Candlebox that had them on my radio show,
and I love Candlebox. Did you know that they were
like not really well loved by that grunge world because apparently,
(22:48):
I don't know. I guess they came in on the
tail end. And since they were a bit different. What
do you know about that anything?
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I mean, yeah, I know, you know, it's like we
didn't have this word back then, but the scene was
pretty gatekeepy and it was like, you know, if you weren't.
I mean, I remember Stone Tumble Pilots too, who I love.
People were like, it's not really grunge or you know
they There was just so much especially in the nineties,
of like who's authentic, who's not authentic? Did you come
from this scene? It's like, do you possibly want to
(23:16):
make money? If so, you're bad? But as weird as
a fan, especially as a kid, it's like I loved
all those bands. I love Candleblocks of you know, anybody
who was on MTV. Oh, Silverchair was huge.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
And they were kids too, which I thought was super cool.
They were like the cool handsen Dire. Yeah, it was like,
you know, you had Hanson and then you had like
the cool hands from Australia. But when I was talking
to the guys with Candlebox, a bit of the beef
towards them was that they had like a song, and
that song blew up so big it made them famous quickly.
(23:51):
They just almost formed and that everybody was resentful because
of not everybody, but in that world was resentful because
they just got together. There one song blew up, and
here they were playing bigger shows than a lot of
the bands that were having success but had been together
for ten, fifteen, twenty years or so. I just kind
of thought that that was right, that that back from
(24:13):
back in the nineties, when everybodys supposed to not care,
they sure didn't care a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh yeah, I mean yeah, it was. Yeah, if you
didn't pay your dues, if it was possible, you were,
you know, an industry plant, if you know, you were
put together. I mean, was that was the knock on?
Like Weezer when they first came out. You know, Weezer
got a lot of you know, a lot of crap
that they were like just corporate pixies or something. But yeah,
(24:37):
I mean, doing these stories, every single band went through something,
so like every band had failures, every band had struggles,
Like nobody really was handed to it on a silver platter.
But like, you know, maybe you just didn't know. I mean,
like when Third Eye Blind came out, you know, I
think like people didn't realize that this guy had been
struggling for ten years. I mean, there's so many bands
(24:59):
like that were it seems like they came out of nowhere,
but you don't know all the bands they were in before,
all the stuff they went through.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
So who do you love?
Speaker 1 (25:06):
I mean, yeah, like you I grew up with with
nineties alternative. I mean, seeing Nirvana for the first time
was just like life changing. Smashing Pumpkins was another one
that was big for me Green Day and then because
I'm watching MTV, like I got into nineties hip hop too,
so like you know, right after Smashing Pumpkins, you'd see Snoop,
You'd see Dre. You know, I was into jay Z
(25:28):
and Notorious Big. So really, like you know, everything.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
We were lucky enough to have Napster and the introduction
of it doesn't matter what your regional music store has
or how much they have of it, because there is
no regional music store on Napster. It's whatever you want
as much as you want to. And I remember I
would be so upset with Metallic. I would be like,
you shouldn't be downloaded our music for free. And now
(25:55):
as an adult, I'm like I was an idiot, Like
we thought we deserved all that music were we thought
we just deserved it, but it did.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Introduce me to again.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I was a massive hip hop head as well, and
there was a stage where I kind of got out
of country music because I'd been in it for so long.
That we are lucky because we were here for the
first part of kind of the digital music revolution where
I don't know about you, but I would just hit
letter A and go to sleep and just download every
song they started with A.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, I mean that that was so fun, that being like, oh,
in the morning, I'm going to have an album to
listen to. No, it's great, I mean it's it's just
weird because you just you can't outrun the technology, Like
is it right? No, but the technology exists, and as
soon as as soon as you knew what the technology
was capable of, you knew like it was over. And
(26:49):
you know, we've sort of come up with a solution
with Spotify and stuff. But I mean, even that, you know,
is not the best for artists, but it's just there's
there was no like putting the genie back in the
bottle when Napster came around.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
So what about AI and these AI songs? Because I
found myself enjoying some of them. I heard Kanye doing
country music. I've heard Notorious Big doing some NWA stuff,
and so like.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
I just heard that easy did you so?
Speaker 4 (27:16):
Yeah doing Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, it's so legit. I what do you think about?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Guess personally as a consumer, it's so fun to listen to.
How do you feel as someone that is in the
industry now about music and AI and how they can
quickly make a song that actually wasn't created by anyone
except a computer.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Right, I Mean it's so like the legal side of
my brain is so fascinating because like, what are the
copyright rules going to be? Who's Let's say you put
out one of these AI songs and it becomes a hit,
Like who owns that song?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Is it Notorious Big? It's not really him, is it?
You know? Like the.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
NWA is it the person who created the AI? Who
told the AI what to make? Like do they get
any percentage of it?
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
So it's very fascinating for like, you know, there's all
this kind of stuff where there's no rules, so who
knows what's gonna happen? Like we're gonna have to you know.
It's almost like the beginning of sampling when you had
like glory days of eighties sampling, like the Bomb Squad
and the early Beastie Boys records where it's just like,
let's take every single thing we can imagine and put
(28:26):
it on records because there's no real rules yet, and
then they had to have cases and invent you know,
sampling laws. So I think the same thing is gonna
happen with AI, Like people are going to use this
to make cool stuff, and then we're gonna have to
figure out like, Okay, this is not actually ethical or
you know, legal to do, but it's I mean, the
(28:47):
possibilities are fascinating.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I would assume that what what it derives from is
who probably will end up making some money. Meaning if
they had to go and say this end of this
Big e Easy song, well, you've taken parts of Notorious
(29:09):
Big like you you've taken him doing something and used
it and analyzed and made this song. And you've also
taken a song that easy the NBA got they wrote,
whomever wrote it, And so I feel like it's going
to be a split almost like it is a publishing split.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
Right, They're going to have to figure out the the
math on it.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, even but like like a I'll have just We'll
just be you know, deeping around here, because I'm in
a comedy music group, and you can just tell it
to write a funny song and it'll it's not that
funny yet, but it'll write a funny song. And if
we were to record that, I never have to admit
it came from AI.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I just say I did it. There's nothing can do about.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
It, right, No, it's so fascinating. I mean I tried
it when Chad Gpt first came out. I tried to
get it to write a story in the style of myself,
and like it's not there, but it's pretty close. Like
it was wrong about a few things, but it gets
you pretty close, Like you know it could get there
(30:07):
for sure.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Do the child crooner who became a rock icon, if
you don't mind giving me a little bit of that
for our listeners.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Sure, So this one, I remember setting it up. I
kind of gave away the reveal pretty early because it's
pretty hard to disguise this guy's name. So I think
for a while, I just said, like this kid. So,
this kid Go is from the Bay Area in northern California.
He's like five years old. He goes into this music shop.
There's like the local music shop, and the family's musical.
(30:38):
The dad is like a jazz drummer and you know,
some musicans and family, and the mom maybe wants to
get the kids some piano lessons, and the owners of
the music store just like taken with this kid. He's
got this mop of like blonde curly hair. It's like
this charming kid, so like, ooh, can he sing? And
he starts singing and they're like, oh my god, this
kid is amazing. And it's like a big family, so
(30:59):
money's kind of tight. So in order to get the
piano lessons, the owners of this music shop also the
guy who owns it as a songwriter, and he's like,
what if you have your kid record one of my
songs and like I'll put it out on my independent
label and then like we'll give you some free piano lessons.
And so they cut this one song with this little
(31:21):
kid singing on it, and on the back he only
wrote one song, so on the back is actually an
interview with the kid. And they put out and I
think it's like, you know, five hundred copies or something
like that, and it was, you know, not a hit.
It is just circulated locally in the Bay Area. But
if you have a copy of this, this seven inch single,
(31:41):
it's worth a lot of money because it's the first
recording of Billy Joe Armstrong from Green Day and then
but his name is Billy Joe, and there's no way
to really hide that, like like Billy would kind of
give it away, like you know, so I kind of
went early on that one. But I mean the story
(32:01):
is like just so fascinating. It like it gets a
little tragic. His dad passes away when he's young, and
that kind of forces him to just get deep, deep
into music, and he becomes obsessed and he takes guitar lessons,
and then he gets into punk rock, and then he
meets Mike Dirnt, who you know, just becomes like his
kind of musical soulmate for years. And then they start
(32:23):
this band in high school, Sweet Children, and then a
big part of the story, the big part of the
story is Gilman Street in Berkeley, which you know, is
this famous music venue, and they get their start there
and then when the major labels come calling, they have
this push between if we sign with a major label,
we're never we're not allowed to play Gilman Street anymore
(32:45):
because they had a rule no major labels could play
there because it's supposed to be a place for independent bands.
But that's like where they got their start, and you know,
all the bands they idolized, like Operation IVY were from there.
So it was like, je, we stay here and know
we're never going to get big, or do we want
as many people as possible to hear our music? And
so obviously they opted for that one, and you know,
(33:07):
became became Green Day that we know and love.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
But yeah, he got to start.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
On as a five year old singing on this song
which I can't remember that it's something like for your
Love or something with love in it.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
I think when I look back at albums were very
instrumental to my i'll call them my formative views. I mean,
Dookie is probably a top five album for me because one,
it just had so many hits, but two, even when
I started to learn how to play music, like the
dream was the longview bassline.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Boomb bomb Bomb.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yeah, Like there were so many parts of that record
that affected me in so many ways, and the fact
that there were only three of them.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
I saw them in concert.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I seen my concert a few times and I'll give
you the quick version of it that they You know,
they have people come up and play their instruments.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Have you ever seen Green Day live Patrick.
Speaker 4 (33:56):
In the nineties. Yeah, I saw live.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
I think it was before they before they did the
somebody up and play the instrument thing, which I love.
I've seen on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
It's awesome.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
So they pulled a guy and they're like, all right,
who could play the bass?
Speaker 3 (34:07):
And they guy kid who played the drums, the drummer
boom were doing good.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And then they bring the guitar player up and he's like,
all right, let's let's get it. And the kids sucked.
He didn't want to play guitar. No funniest thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
And Bill Joe's like.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Get the hef off here and he grabs Hi back
and plays it with the other two guys. Like one
of my favorite concert moments ever. But Doukie was such
a big album to me. Concerts though big part of
I'm kind of jaded now at this point, but for you,
like best concert ever, favorite ever.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
So the best concert I've ever been to, hands down
was Prince. I'm a huge Prince fan and I saw
him on his Musicology tour in the early two thousands,
and like, I don't, you know, I don't love stadium shows.
You know, it's just it's hard to get it to
sound good and you're way in the back and you're
watching on a monitor, Like I could have stayed home,
(34:59):
but he was playing at the Anaheim Pond in Anaheim,
and I just, you know, I got to see Princes.
So I went, even though it was a stadium, and
it was like the most intimate concert in my life. Like,
I don't know how he does it. Somehow he made
it seem like I was. He was in my living room,
like just the best performer I've ever seen. Amazing guitar player,
like amazing singer. Like it's just insane how much talent
(35:22):
this one man had, and like in the studio and
live to have all that talent was just blew me away.
But that was the best concert, by far I've ever seen.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
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Speaker 3 (35:45):
This is the Bobby Cast.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I used to live in Austin, Texas, loved there for
twelve years. And I went to this bar, small outdoor venue,
but it was a pretty It wasn't like a grimy
outdoor venue.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
It was kind of upscaleish version.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
And so I go and I didn't know they had
any music, because there really was anything playing.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There was no band set up.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
And I get on the elevator and first of all,
the elevator won't come down. They're only three floors. The
elevator will not calm down, and I'm sitting there forever.
And I'm also not gonna walk upstairs because I don't know.
I was lazy, loser, and so I keep waiting and
it goes to two, and then it sits on two forever,
(36:29):
and finally it comes down being it opens and in
the elevator this I mean massive dudes. I think four,
possibly three massive dudes in this elevator, but I don't
think anything about it. I'm gonna get in the elevator
and go up. And so they didn't get off, though
it was the weird thing. For some reason, it hit one.
These big dudes stayed on the elevator and they didn't
get so, okay, well they didn't come out. So I
(36:51):
just got in and I was gonna go up to
three and I look kind of behind me in between
the big dudes.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
It's freaking Prince.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
Yes, that's so cool. Anything No, no, I say anything.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
I want to be There are four big dudes in
there that didn't want me to say anything. But I
just remember being like, holy crap, that's Prince and he
was and he had on tall boots like hills, like
but he's still I don't know how tall. Prince says,
you may if you have team. He was so small
that I would have thought it was a woman. And
to watch him play guitar like literally one of the
(37:23):
best guitar players. I don't think he even gets the credit
for how good of a guitar player he is because
he wrote and has so many massive hits where he
sings that it's easy to forget how elite of a
guitar player he was. I would watch some of these
shows where he would be on stage playing guitar with
other artists who could really play guitar, and it's like
when you put eminem on a track, like you don't
(37:44):
do that because he will come on and even if
it's your song, it will then be the song that, yeah,
he'll take it over. And I think Prince is very underrated,
and I think people are very under educated on how
great of a guitar player and musician that he was.
Have you been to Paisley Park or anywhere like that.
Speaker 4 (38:01):
I did.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
Yeah, I went right at the end of twenty sixteen,
you know, right when he passed away. They just opened
and I went. I have some family in Minnesota because
my mom is from there, so I wanted to go
see it right when it opened. And it's pretty amazing,
amazing experience. I mean, of all the artists, every story
about Prince is insane, like your story about meeting him
(38:23):
and he's like four giants. Every story about Prince is insane,
and it's like fascinating. But yeah, Paisley Park is really cool. Yeah,
he was a special, special guy.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
We were talking before we started this about your podcast,
so just to go back over it with you good
measure with Patrick Kicks. So on this podcast, what are
you getting into? Is it stuff that you've done on
TikTok or is it just your general music knowledge about
things that have happened and are happening.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, so thanks for bringing it up. Yeah. So originally
I was like a lot of people were asking me
to do a podcast. I was like, all right, I
can just take some of my TikTok story and do
them in a podcast format, and I was like, that's
kind of it's kind of cheating people, Like I got
to do fresh stories. So yeah, each episode is three
stories basically like what I would do on TikTok, but
(39:12):
expand it out so instead of five minutes, they're like
ten to fifteen minutes and just more in depth. And
then there's like a central theme. So like the first
episode is about going solo because you know, I was
doing doing a podcast on my own. So it's like
artists from bands that were not successful that then became
(39:34):
successful solo artists. So three different stories on that theme,
and then I bring in clips of interviews and you know,
play the music obviously, and yeah, it's just like a
little more in depth in the than the TikTok for
people who want to go deeper. It's a little more serious,
like the you know, the Tic TACs. I try not
(39:54):
to be too depressing, so if a story is too
too tragic, you know, people might not want to watch
that when they're scrolling through dance videos. But so we
talk about a little more some more of the tragic
rock and roll stories like Elliott Smith and stuff like that,
where it really kind of deserves more than just a
couple of minutes on TikTok. So it was a lot
of fun. There's a lot of work. I'm doing it
(40:15):
in seasons. That's kind of the only way to keep saying.
So I just finished the first season and then season
two TBD.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Good Measure with Patrick Kicks.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
If you likes Tiktoks, I think I'm going to go
and check it out, actually subscribe to the freaking podcast
because again, to me, I'm lucky enough to get to
have big stars actually come to my house, right, And
it's weird sometimes when somebody comes into my house and
we do this. But I I was really excited to
talk to you today because to me, you're like the coolest.
Could you talk about things that I care about? And
I see you. I probably see you on my phone
(40:48):
more than I see my wife. So two more things
I want to do so and then we we'll wrap
this up. But will you give me the country star
who wanted to rock? Because I think my audience will
love that.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Yeah, for sure. I didn't do this one as a reveal.
Do you want me to do it reveal style or
just regular?
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I just think the story's so good I just want
to want nobody hear the story.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, so this is about Tanya Tucker, who I was
going to see. So I wanted to do a story
about her. First of all, amazing show. She's so good live.
I really feel like, no matter what style of music
you like, watch Tanya Tucker because she like had the
audience in the palm of her hand and so so.
But I wanted to tell the story of her like
(41:31):
rock and roll record, which I thought it was just
really fascinating. So Tanya Tucker gets her start as a
child star. She has her first you know single when
she's like thirteen years old, and is you know, like
anytime there's a child star, they're very like, okay, we
want them to be a child and never grow up,
and they're very like this, she must be innocent and
pure forever. And she has all this massive success, like
(41:53):
she had her greatest hits album when she was fifteen,
which is just you know, this is insane pressure to
put on a kid. So she grows up a little
and she wants to like expand and she wants to
do this rock and roll record, and she gets this
new management team who had never worked with a country
star they wanted to help a country star crossover, and
you know, she was big in country, and she wanted
(42:14):
to be like a superstar, you know, across across the board,
which I think she deserved to do. You know, she
she wanted to be like the Taylor Swift of her day.
So she goes to put out this rock and roll record,
but then she has this listening party in Nashville and
everybody like hates it. Everybody's like what is this and
she's devastated. She's like, I've ruined my career by going
(42:36):
rock and roll. And so the album is called TNT, which,
like you now you think putting it on, like this
is gonna be a CDC or something. It's not that hardcore,
like it is very still like you know, country country rock.
And she heard the rock and roll songs are like
not Fade Away by Buddy Holly, but kind of done
in the Rolling Stone style, Chuck Berry, like Elvis, that
(42:57):
kind of rock and roll. It's like, it's not that,
but apparently it was like too much for people to handle.
And she's like, that's it. I ruined my career. I
destroyed my career. And then everybody sees the album artwork,
and it causes this like uproar because this innocent, you know,
child star is now grown up and has like a
sexy album cover which looks very tame by today's standards,
(43:20):
like people probably might know the record, so like on
the front she has a microphone like cord between her
legs and she's wearing tight pants, but it's still like
pretty tame. And then on the inside there was a
poster which if you watch like the I think it's
the A and E biography on Tanya Tucker. I think
Travis Tritt is like I had that poster up on
(43:41):
my wall. I didn't like I did dirty thing, so
that Tanya Tucker poster. But it's just hurting like a
red jumpsuit and she's standing backwards and just tight pants
and her back is out. It's really not that scandals
but everybody, like the reviews were like she's gone full
sex kit and like she's this is so scandalous. And
she's not super proud of that record, like she has
(44:02):
said like maybe that was a mistake, but it ended
up being her biggest selling record, like she you know,
she's sold a lot of copies of it. I think
it's not a bad record, but in her biography in
the nineties she said that she regretted doing it, but
I like it and she's just one of my heroes,
like she's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
All right, final thing here, everybody go follow Patrick Hicks
eighty two on TikTok And if you've listened this far
into this podcast, you're obviously a music fan like I am,
and so I just really recommend you do it. Also,
the podcast Good Measure with Patrick Kicks it is there
for you.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
And so no spoiler on the story.
Speaker 2 (44:44):
I didn't want to ask you who's next, because because
I don't, then I won't get to play, you know,
and I really look forward to to get into play.
How many do you have done written already as of
righte this moment?
Speaker 3 (44:57):
Last question?
Speaker 1 (44:57):
None really, so I don't write a script, so none
are really written ahead of time. I do have one
that's recorded and ready to go, but it's not really
a spoiler. So if you saw the video I posted yesterday,
it's actually just a continuation of that video.
Speaker 4 (45:14):
But that's it.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
I don't plan that far in advance because I kind
of just go, like what am I feeling? You know,
it's still just a hobby for me. So I want
it to be fun. I want it to be fun
for me, and like what story is grabbing me today
that I want to tell? So I have no idea
what's going to be. Next week we'll find out. I
have some ideas, but I have no idea what it's
actually going to be.
Speaker 3 (45:33):
He's a rock and roll he doesn't know, he care.
I just living live. You know, whatever happens happens.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
I know more rock and roll than that, Patrick, honestly,
big fan. It's it's so cool that, you know, I mean,
for me, this is the coolest thing that I get
to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
So thank you, dud, Thank you so much. Yeah, anytime
you want me back.
Speaker 3 (45:51):
Oh, don't say that, I'll be calling you at home.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Hey man, we're not recording or anything, but you want
to talk about so.
Speaker 3 (45:56):
So yeah, let's I'd love to talk to you again.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Keep up the good work and hopefully, and I do
think it'll happen, you'll be able to do this for
a living.
Speaker 3 (46:04):
Is that the goal?
Speaker 1 (46:05):
That's yeah, totally the goal. I mean it wasn't when
I started, but you know, it's like cool stuff keeps happening.
You know, I'm getting opportunities to do like partnerships with
record labels and you know, stuff I never thought was possible.
So I'm hoping TV show or sponsorship or something.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
You know.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
That's awesome. Patrick, thank you for your time, buddy, Hope
you have a good day.
Speaker 4 (46:25):
Yeah, no, you too, man, Thank you so much all.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
I love this episode of The Bobby Cast.
Speaker 5 (46:30):
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