May 22, 2023 • 31 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Buck Saxon Show. Everybody with me now,
my friend David Reeboy. He is a fellow at the
Claremont Institute. He also has a great substack, Late Republic Nonsense,
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this on YouTube, you'll see exactly why. But mister Reeboy
honored to have you on the program. Sir, what is
it tell me about Late Republic nonsense? That's an interesting
title for a substacker. Are we the Late Republic? And
what kind of nonsense is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We are indeed the Late Republic? Thanks for having me on.
It was a name that came to me because nothing
else seemed even remotely as appropriate. I think, I mean,
I thought for years that we're in the kind of
late Republic period, and you know, when I started saying it,
people thought I was crazy. But at this point I
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don't think there were be all that much pushback. And
the nonsense part is like, these are the things that
that happen when you start talking, you know, when when
it seems like the form of government and uh and
and the the the things that we used to take
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for granted, really about about our union, and about uh,
you know, comedy and civility and and and the things
that we all thought we agreed on or maybe haven't
in in quite a long time. I mean, at some
point it's going to reach it's you know, it's at
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some point it's it's going to reach the end. And
I think that talking about it and talking about why
these problems are are you know, maybe seem insurmountable is
the only way that we can really face them and
and and uh and do something about it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How did we get to this point? What happened? Because
I do often talk to friends of mine, my peers
about how it didn't seem like maybe everyone has nostalgia
for the era of their youth, but it felt like
in the nineties we were arguing over things, but we
were arguing over things from roughly the same side of
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the world viewpoint. I can't really explain it better than
it felt like we used to be arguing more over,
you know, the tax code and things that didn't necessarily
go to the heart of the republic itself and maybe
undermine it, maybe kick at the load bearing walls of civilization.
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What happened?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right, well, I mean, that's that's that's a question that
has about a million different possible answers going back as
far as as you know you'd like to go back.
There are people who say that the problem is ingrained
in liberalism and the enlightenment itself. You know, it's it's uh,
there is a there's a propensity for this stuff. Let's say,
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this openness to self destruct given enough time and and
and you know, the passage of enough uh, you know,
enough generations. I mean, I think trying to figure out
where the problem started is almost pointless because we're not
going to rewind, and we're not going to go back,
and there's no time machine to go back into, uh
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and to necessarily fix it. But what we're dealing with
is the fact that we have two completely different conceptions
of justice. I mean, that's the that's the kind of
the basis, is that we understand justice differently between left
and right, and and that kind of has its expression
in every possible conceivable issue.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I don't how do we conceive of justice and
how do they conceive of justice, David Well, I.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Mean, they conceive of justice as as as group justice,
and we see it as a kind of individual thing.
You know, if you or I did something, then you
or I did something. We believe in the fact that
justice is blind and you're judged on the things that
you do, not necessarily on the things that you are,
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which is how Which is the other view of justice
that the left has, which is you know, you know,
we we call it collectivist, but you can call it
anything you want. I mean, at the end of the day,
it really matters to them if a perpetrator is black,
or if he's white, or if he's this, or if
he's that. You know, that is the thing that defined
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you know, the characteristics is the thing that defines, you know,
the way justice necessarily is served. And that translates too
to politics, you know. I mean you see, like you know,
you've got you've got juries that in Washington, d C.
Or in Chicago or in you York City that would
convict a republic you know, that would put a Republican
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to death for jaywalking. Because it's such a kind of
us versus them, you know, conception when it comes to
when it comes to justice and that's something that's really significant. Now,
that's not just something that you that you paper over.
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
When you talk about collectivists their collective sense of justice,
why does somebody want to be a collectivist or where
does this come from? Is it rooted in a sense
of one's own insufficiency, weakness and the paranoia that comes
from that, and therefore the desire to achieve stability and
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even power through attachment to a group identity instead of
an individual identity. What it just seems to me, like,
why would anyone want to be a collectivist?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah? I mean Thomas soul has about this in in
kind of a very beautiful persuasive way. In in uh,
I think it's the quest for cosmic justice where he
basically splits up human nature into two different types of uh,
you know, or let's say two where he splits people
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into two different types of you know, the way they
deal with human nature. You know, one is fixed and
one is non fixed. So we who are who are
on the right, we say human nature is fixed. You know,
people are going to be people from one civilization to
the next. They're going to prioritize different things, but they're
going to be essentially people, They're going to be motivated
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by the things that always motivate people, you know, whether
it's you know, religion or honor or the fact that
you know, we we we have a love of one's own,
which goes back, you know, to the beginning of time.
The the unfixed position on the other hand, which just
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you know, commonly we think of as left, they say, no,
you know, it's actually humanity is a blank slate which
comes from Rousseau, and we think that hey, we can
you know, we can socialize people out of all of
these horrible, bigoted, terrible ideas by getting them to you know,
by doing whatever, and you know, raising them differently, educating
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them differently, you know, And you see this every day,
and then you see see the left going crazy, for example,
in Florida, where they can no longer necessarily have access
to kids to talk to kids about you know, about
sexual issues. They're going crazy because they know that that's
their whole game.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, well, what is that? I mean, the the ferocity
with which the institutional left and the activists of the
progressives and these are just all different words for democrats, right,
These are all different flavors of a democrat. But the
anger with which they approach the issue of stopping clearly
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inappropriate and pornographic books from being assigned or handed to
grade school children, or even this this decision or this
idea that somehow allowing a you know, forty year old
man with a hairy chest to put on a wig,
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a bunch of makeup, fishnet stockings, and shake his butt
in front of a room full of in many cases
parents with their children, which is also a whole other component.
When you say this is bad, they don't try to
persuade you, right, David. They don't say no, no, this
is a good thing, because they become ferociously angry, almost
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like a demonic rage surges. What's that way?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
In a way they have to be because oh, I'm
forgetting who said it, but somebody made an observation years
ago that was was excellent, which is that since the
Civil rights struggle in America, or let's say, since the
the left was victorious in the Civil rights struggle in America,
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everything became a civil rights struggle. And so now every
issue is framed in terms of you know, in terms
of uh, you know, self expression and liberties and and
uh and you know, we talked about the next frontier
of groups that are you know, that are marginalized, that
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are finally coming out of the shadows and and and
you know getting you know, getting full and equal uh
you know rights. And now we've gotten to the point
where we're talking about pedophiles coming out of the shadows.
We're talking about all kinds of weird, deviant, you know,
kind of crazy sexual stuff. I think they get angry when.
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I think they get angry because at the end of
the day, they kind of have to be you know,
they there's a part of them that is human that
says this is totally wrong, and they're trying to convince
themselves with their furiosity that that they're on the side
of the good and the and the you know, the
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good and the wholesome and and you know sort of
on the side of of the angels and the right. Yeah,
and so that's that's that's part of it. I mean.
The other thing is that a lot of people have
been shocked at how how comprehensively the left has folded
on the issue, for example, of of you know, minor
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children being gender transitioned.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You know, there is not I always say about this,
David not interrupt you. But there is no such thing
as a gender transition. I have to remind every I know,
that's the terminology we're all supposed to use. There is
no gender transition. There is gender destruction. You can destroy
your genitalia, you can destroy your ability to have a
normal you know, endocrine function and reproductive system. I'm sure
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you can destroy it. You cannot change it, though that
doesn't actually work.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right, Yeah, but you know they will argue that there
is biology, and then there is sort of the ineffable
way you feel about your gender, which is your gender identity,
and your gender idem has absolutely nothing to do with,
you know, with with biological reality. And to say that
it does is you know, some kind of terrible, horrible thing.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think they're amazing how the argument is is completely
incoherent because they say that gender, the gender reality, has
nothing to do with your sexual reality. Well, then why
do we have to match the sexual reality of children
to their gender identity? Right? They the connection, they disassociate it.
They can create these additional categories. But then they also
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in insists that there is a connection that has to
be changed. Right, what's the why not if we're just
if we're just letting people be who they are, and
it's about psychological affirmation, then why do you have to
do the physical stuff and the other part of it.
I always talk to people about it. With this stuff too,
is no one actually thinks that these are women. Everybody
who goes along with this, and we're talking generally here
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at about men, you know, biological men or boys who
try to transition to female. They're not fooling anybody. And eventually,
and even if they're able to fool some people in
some situations, you know, from a distance or with makeup
or with AI or whatever, eventually it becomes clear this
is not actually a woman. So why do we go
through this? But there's really something deeply corrupt in the
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soul of the left and the Democrat Party these days
that I think this really exposed that. David. I want
to come back to this in a second. I actually
want to ask you speak of party politics. I know
you're you're very you have a lot of ideas about
the twenty twenty four election and where things should be
and where things are right now. So I want to
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what do we have to know about how things are
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looking for the GOP in this now beginning of the
twenty twenty four election cycle.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, it's I mean, the basics are unchanged really for
the last several months, which is that it's a race
between Donald Trump and Florida Governor Ronda Santis. It's no
secret that I support the governor. I was. I was
a big Trump supporter for eight years, for four years
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during his during his term, and in twenty nineteen, when
after I moved to Florida, I was shocked and very
impressed with the way my Governor Ronda Santis was handling
not only COVID but other issues that were important to
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the right as well. And I think he's a once
in a generation or more leader because at the end
of the day I talk about this thing, I say,
you have to know what time it is, And that's
kind of shorthand for understanding the moment that we're in,
understanding that the fight necessarily cannot be won by simply
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being a Republican of yesteryear. I think the most important
characteristic that we need to find, let's say, those of
us on the right need to find in a leader
is someone who's willing to aggressively and competently use state
power against some of the institutions on the left and
to try to rebalance, to try to rebalance the power
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relationships and to protect the American citizens. DeSantis is the
only guy out there, frankly, that recognizes that the threats
are not only coming from the government. They're coming from
large corporations. They're coming from academia. They're coming from you know,
from big tech, They're coming from medical boards, They're coming
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from all of these let's say, non governmental associations that
nevertheless are wielding tremendous ideological power over us, and and
that balance needs to be reshifted or else we all lose.
I mean, what's the point here if if if Amazon
can force us or you know, another big company can
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force us too to feel a certain way about politics,
you know, and and and take on the left view,
you know, I mean, who cares. Who's sitting in the
oval office?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They just great note, I think your I think your
cord is touching your mic a little bit because we're
getting some interference. And just watch your uh, watch your
ear quard of that a little bit or it might
just be the connection, but just watch the cord there.
And I look on on onto the the reality of
institutions platforms and and leveraging leveraging power. I've been shouting
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to everybody who will listen that the idea of the
neutral space that the right had been obsessed with the
Conservatism that I became familiar with in high school, college
and afterwards, that we want a marketplace of ideas, but
there are also areas where we want things to be
non political. I think the right has woken up to
a reality. And it's not just now, it's been about
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the last six or seven years in the making that
if the other side thinks that they don't have to
respect this so called neutral space because they can run
the table on you, that's what they're going to do, right,
So you have to have enough power to say, hey,
are we're gonna be We're gonna be fair and neutral
in this area or not, and if you're not, we
can do something about it. If you're just appealing to
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the left sense of fair play, they'll just stomp your
face in the mud and laugh at you. And I
think the conservatives have finally gotten the memo on that
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I think maybe I think we have out in you know,
out out in the public, but uh, we have not
had a champion like Rohn de Santis, who was sitting
in power and actually has the ability to do some
to do something about these things. I mean, it's one
thing for us to say, you know, yes, we need
to fight back against these uh, these these institutions. But
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it's another thing to have someone who also understands this
and has the power to do so, and the inclination
and frankly, the fearlessness with which to do it. He
understands that value neutrality is nonsense in this day and age,
you know, you can have which is you know, exactly
kind of going to your point, there's that space in
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society that we kind of assumed was, you know, let's say,
empty of political content. But now the left has filled
that space with political content. There's nowhere you can go
from advertising to uh, you know, to to anywhere else where.
It's where like these left ideology has not kind of
seeped in. And this is moral propaganda from every possible avenue.
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And at the end of the day, it's like it
needs to be it needs to be stopped. And Governor
DeSantis understands that, and he's willing to, uh, and he's
willing to He's willing to fight it. Not only that,
I mean what he did, for example with a new
college up in Sarasota.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Can I pause you with the college in Sarasoda. I
want to come back to in a second, because this
is the wielding of institutional power, the understanding of how
to shift and shape institutions like universities and colleges. DeSantis,
I think is somebody who will David Reboy is going
to tell us in a second just how he was
able to do that, and maybe that's a model for
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my name. All right, David, what happened in Sarasota? What
a governor of santists do to the university there or
the college there?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So there was a there was there is a university there.
There was a small liberal arts school that the state
was paying for. And rather than close it, you know,
you had kind of, let's say, the old Republican point
of view was, hey, this stuff costs money, and you know,
maybe there are leftists there. Let's just close it down
and walk away. But Desanta's was a lot smarter than that.
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He realized that, hey, why can't we use it for
our purposes? And it sounds like such a little thing,
but it's actually a revolution in terms of the way
the right sees itself, the way the right sees its
ability to exert power, and and really it's the way
the right sees itself as being legitimate. And Desanta said,
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as a matter of fact, no, we're going to keep
it open, but we're going to make sure that it becomes,
you know it, that it stops teaching leftist insane dogma
and goes and becomes let's say, the premier state run
school for liberal arts and true education in kind of
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the old way, as opposed to NonStop leftist propaganda. And
he went and he replaced you know, he replaced the
director or whoever I mean on the staff that that
put up some resistance to this. And now he's getting
teachers who are coming in from all over the country
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and kind of wanting to do something like Hillsdale College
in Florida, And this is going to be a thriving,
wonderful school at some point when when when it really
gets off the ground and they start doing this, And
of course the left is going completely bonkers about this
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because they you know, DeSantis knows, and they know that
DeSantis knows how important not just academia is to them.
But the the the fact that for up until now,
nobody's even been on the field when it comes to
this stuff. So they're going crazy. They're freaking out because
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one school is not hard left and and we kind
of we need more of that. And that's just I mean,
that's one, you know, little tiny example. Disney is the
big one that everyone talks about, but they're really a lot.
And I think here in Florida, he has redefined what
it means to have conservative governance. And he has done things.
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He's passed laws you know, I mean in this session
alone that folks on the right have been wanting for,
you know, for for ages we didn't need. We wrote
them off as if we would never get them. And
and what that does is it attracts more people on
who are on the right to move to Florida. Number one.
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Number two is it's created such a kind of thrilling happiness.
It's very hard to describe if you don't live here,
and you know, everyone that you run into is kind
of is happy to be here. Couldn't couldn't be more happy,
and couldn't be more happy with the governor. Of course,
there are some you know, discontents, but you have that malcontents,
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but you have that everywhere, and hopefully the campaign kind
of getting back to that. Hopefully the campaign will will
show everybody Florida and will show that you know that
the Republicans all around the country want a piece of this,
and I think they do.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I ask you in a second, David, just about the
I feel like there's a I don't know if you
call a war on aesthetics, beauty and aspiration in this country.
But if you've seen recently, it's not just recent. I
mean it's been going on for years now. All the
stuff about whether it's fat shaming or now Adidas has
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guys with hairy chests wearing women's bathing suits to try
to sell. Like just it feels like something weird is happening.
Where as a society, we're no longer allowed to have
anything that is aspirational and beautiful, and you know it's
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on aesthetics, the elevation of the ugly, the unhealthy, and
the grotesque in our society, in our culture. What's that
all about.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, it's about dispiriting us, you know, at the end
of the day. And I don't I don't necessarily think
that this is a that this is an organized effort,
that there's somebody in the back in a control room saying,
you know what, let's give these people terribly ugly things.
But I think they're has been a long war on
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on beauty kind of traditionally understood and and it's very
let's say, it's very easy to hop on board that
bandwagon and uh and and go for the destruction of beauty,
you know, when you are yourself not beautiful or or
you know, terribly ugly. I mean, it's a horrible thing
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to say, but I don't think, you know, I think
we've all noticed how Antipha looks when they are arrested.
I think we we all have an idea of of
of the types of you know, the way that the
folks look who show up on lips of TikTok videos,
and you know, then these these folks are not happy.
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So so the question is do they try to destroy
beauty because they are not happy, or are they not
happy because they are not beautiful and they want to
destroy beauty. I mean, it's it's it's kind of chicken
and an egg thing. But I think you're right to
notice that it's absolutely going on. We see it kind
of in in every place. I mean, from music to
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cinema to art to everything that that is all around us.
I mean, even the way even the way you see
colors you know, put together in in ads or things
like that. It's not the way things you know, it's
it's it's kind of meant to unsettle in a way.
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And and the kind of weird biolininist psycho sexual gender
thing kind of you know, feeds into that. And I
think most people who are normal kind of you know,
turn around and they look at this and they think
this is awful weird. One of the nice things is
(28:52):
I have a I have a nephew who's who's fifteen,
and he is kind of thankfully immune to a lot
of the woke stuff, and he just tells me about
his experiences in high school surrounded by this insanity. And
his parents are not very political, and so he kind
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of came to realize that these things were insane on
his own, which gives me a lot of hope, you know.
I mean, here's a here's a young kid who just
looks around and said, you know, these people are obviously insane.
And I said to him, why do you think that
you kind of had the antibodies to fight off this disease?
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And he's like, oh, it's simple because I play football,
because you know, for a couple hours every day, I
put the phone down and I do something real and
I do something physical, and you know, and I can't
talk my way out of it. I can't not show up,
you know. If it's the same thing with the gym,
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I mean, and it's you know, folks who folks who
lift are almost always right wing. Why because you know,
you can't talk your way out of it. Either you
did the thing or you didn't do the thing. And
and that world of the real is really important. It's
really important to maintain because what a lot of people
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want and the way things are going. If you look
at you know, you look at AI, you look at
social media. I think a lot of folks out there
are desirous of a world that exists, you know, electronically
and that's it, and we're and we're not you know,
we're no longer interacting in the real world. We're just
you know, we're sending messages to one another. We're no
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longer talking on the phone. Instead, we're just texting each
other all day.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The mat is feeling very real these days, right, So, so.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
The most important thing now is to have at least
one or two or maybe more real things that you
have in your life that connect you with reality.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I was going to a point of optimism to close on, David,
but we can leave it with that one, which is
that doing real stuff and operating in the real world
and setting aside time in your day every day to
think about whether it's at the gym or just you know,
reading good and real books and going for walks outside
in the sunshine or in the snow or wherever you are.
(31:22):
That can affect the way you view the world and
also puts the as you put it, the antibody's in
place to fight against the woke mind virus that is
out there. David reboy, everybody go check out his substack
Late Republic nonsense. David, my friend, always appreciate you hanging out.
Thanks so much, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
See us soon.
Welcome to the Buck Saxon Show. Everybody with me now,
my friend David Reeboy. He is a fellow at the
Claremont Institute. He also has a great substack, Late Republic Nonsense,
but you can all subscribe to and if you want
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this on YouTube, you'll see exactly why. But mister Reeboy
honored to have you on the program. Sir, what is
it tell me about Late Republic nonsense? That's an interesting
title for a substacker. Are we the Late Republic? And
what kind of nonsense is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We are indeed the Late Republic? Thanks for having me on.
It was a name that came to me because nothing
else seemed even remotely as appropriate. I think, I mean,
I thought for years that we're in the kind of
late Republic period, and you know, when I started saying it,
people thought I was crazy. But at this point I
(00:59):
don't think there were be all that much pushback. And
the nonsense part is like, these are the things that
that happen when you start talking, you know, when when
it seems like the form of government and uh and
and the the the things that we used to take
(01:20):
for granted, really about about our union, and about uh,
you know, comedy and civility and and and the things
that we all thought we agreed on or maybe haven't
in in quite a long time. I mean, at some
point it's going to reach it's you know, it's at
(01:41):
some point it's it's going to reach the end. And
I think that talking about it and talking about why
these problems are are you know, maybe seem insurmountable is
the only way that we can really face them and
and and uh and do something about it.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How did we get to this point? What happened? Because
I do often talk to friends of mine, my peers
about how it didn't seem like maybe everyone has nostalgia
for the era of their youth, but it felt like
in the nineties we were arguing over things, but we
were arguing over things from roughly the same side of
(02:22):
the world viewpoint. I can't really explain it better than
it felt like we used to be arguing more over,
you know, the tax code and things that didn't necessarily
go to the heart of the republic itself and maybe
undermine it, maybe kick at the load bearing walls of civilization.
(02:42):
What happened?
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Right, well, I mean, that's that's that's a question that
has about a million different possible answers going back as
far as as you know you'd like to go back.
There are people who say that the problem is ingrained
in liberalism and the enlightenment itself. You know, it's it's uh,
there is a there's a propensity for this stuff. Let's say,
(03:06):
this openness to self destruct given enough time and and
and you know, the passage of enough uh, you know,
enough generations. I mean, I think trying to figure out
where the problem started is almost pointless because we're not
going to rewind, and we're not going to go back,
and there's no time machine to go back into, uh
(03:27):
and to necessarily fix it. But what we're dealing with
is the fact that we have two completely different conceptions
of justice. I mean, that's the that's the kind of
the basis, is that we understand justice differently between left
and right, and and that kind of has its expression
in every possible conceivable issue.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
And I don't how do we conceive of justice and
how do they conceive of justice, David Well, I.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Mean, they conceive of justice as as as group justice,
and we see it as a kind of individual thing.
You know, if you or I did something, then you
or I did something. We believe in the fact that
justice is blind and you're judged on the things that
you do, not necessarily on the things that you are,
(04:20):
which is how Which is the other view of justice
that the left has, which is you know, you know,
we we call it collectivist, but you can call it
anything you want. I mean, at the end of the day,
it really matters to them if a perpetrator is black,
or if he's white, or if he's this, or if
he's that. You know, that is the thing that defined
(04:42):
you know, the characteristics is the thing that defines, you know,
the way justice necessarily is served. And that translates too
to politics, you know. I mean you see, like you know,
you've got you've got juries that in Washington, d C.
Or in Chicago or in you York City that would
convict a republic you know, that would put a Republican
(05:04):
to death for jaywalking. Because it's such a kind of
us versus them, you know, conception when it comes to
when it comes to justice and that's something that's really significant. Now,
that's not just something that you that you paper over.
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
When you talk about collectivists their collective sense of justice,
why does somebody want to be a collectivist or where
does this come from? Is it rooted in a sense
of one's own insufficiency, weakness and the paranoia that comes
from that, and therefore the desire to achieve stability and
(05:48):
even power through attachment to a group identity instead of
an individual identity. What it just seems to me, like,
why would anyone want to be a collectivist?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah? I mean Thomas soul has about this in in
kind of a very beautiful persuasive way. In in uh,
I think it's the quest for cosmic justice where he
basically splits up human nature into two different types of uh,
you know, or let's say two where he splits people
(06:19):
into two different types of you know, the way they
deal with human nature. You know, one is fixed and
one is non fixed. So we who are who are
on the right, we say human nature is fixed. You know,
people are going to be people from one civilization to
the next. They're going to prioritize different things, but they're
going to be essentially people, They're going to be motivated
(06:39):
by the things that always motivate people, you know, whether
it's you know, religion or honor or the fact that
you know, we we we have a love of one's own,
which goes back, you know, to the beginning of time.
The the unfixed position on the other hand, which just
(07:00):
you know, commonly we think of as left, they say, no,
you know, it's actually humanity is a blank slate which
comes from Rousseau, and we think that hey, we can
you know, we can socialize people out of all of
these horrible, bigoted, terrible ideas by getting them to you know,
by doing whatever, and you know, raising them differently, educating
(07:24):
them differently, you know, And you see this every day,
and then you see see the left going crazy, for example,
in Florida, where they can no longer necessarily have access
to kids to talk to kids about you know, about
sexual issues. They're going crazy because they know that that's
their whole game.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, well, what is that? I mean, the the ferocity
with which the institutional left and the activists of the
progressives and these are just all different words for democrats, right,
These are all different flavors of a democrat. But the
anger with which they approach the issue of stopping clearly
(08:07):
inappropriate and pornographic books from being assigned or handed to
grade school children, or even this this decision or this
idea that somehow allowing a you know, forty year old
man with a hairy chest to put on a wig,
(08:28):
a bunch of makeup, fishnet stockings, and shake his butt
in front of a room full of in many cases
parents with their children, which is also a whole other component.
When you say this is bad, they don't try to
persuade you, right, David. They don't say no, no, this
is a good thing, because they become ferociously angry, almost
(08:50):
like a demonic rage surges. What's that way?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
In a way they have to be because oh, I'm
forgetting who said it, but somebody made an observation years
ago that was was excellent, which is that since the
Civil rights struggle in America, or let's say, since the
the left was victorious in the Civil rights struggle in America,
(09:16):
everything became a civil rights struggle. And so now every
issue is framed in terms of you know, in terms
of uh, you know, self expression and liberties and and
uh and you know, we talked about the next frontier
of groups that are you know, that are marginalized, that
(09:38):
are finally coming out of the shadows and and and
you know getting you know, getting full and equal uh
you know rights. And now we've gotten to the point
where we're talking about pedophiles coming out of the shadows.
We're talking about all kinds of weird, deviant, you know,
kind of crazy sexual stuff. I think they get angry when.
(10:02):
I think they get angry because at the end of
the day, they kind of have to be you know,
they there's a part of them that is human that
says this is totally wrong, and they're trying to convince
themselves with their furiosity that that they're on the side
of the good and the and the you know, the
(10:25):
good and the wholesome and and you know sort of
on the side of of the angels and the right. Yeah,
and so that's that's that's part of it. I mean.
The other thing is that a lot of people have
been shocked at how how comprehensively the left has folded
on the issue, for example, of of you know, minor
(10:48):
children being gender transitioned.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
You know, there is not I always say about this,
David not interrupt you. But there is no such thing
as a gender transition. I have to remind every I know,
that's the terminology we're all supposed to use. There is
no gender transition. There is gender destruction. You can destroy
your genitalia, you can destroy your ability to have a
normal you know, endocrine function and reproductive system. I'm sure
(11:12):
you can destroy it. You cannot change it, though that
doesn't actually work.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
Right, Yeah, but you know they will argue that there
is biology, and then there is sort of the ineffable
way you feel about your gender, which is your gender identity,
and your gender idem has absolutely nothing to do with,
you know, with with biological reality. And to say that
it does is you know, some kind of terrible, horrible thing.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I think they're amazing how the argument is is completely
incoherent because they say that gender, the gender reality, has
nothing to do with your sexual reality. Well, then why
do we have to match the sexual reality of children
to their gender identity? Right? They the connection, they disassociate it.
They can create these additional categories. But then they also
(11:59):
in insists that there is a connection that has to
be changed. Right, what's the why not if we're just
if we're just letting people be who they are, and
it's about psychological affirmation, then why do you have to
do the physical stuff and the other part of it.
I always talk to people about it. With this stuff too,
is no one actually thinks that these are women. Everybody
who goes along with this, and we're talking generally here
(12:20):
at about men, you know, biological men or boys who
try to transition to female. They're not fooling anybody. And eventually,
and even if they're able to fool some people in
some situations, you know, from a distance or with makeup
or with AI or whatever, eventually it becomes clear this
is not actually a woman. So why do we go
through this? But there's really something deeply corrupt in the
(12:43):
soul of the left and the Democrat Party these days
that I think this really exposed that. David. I want
to come back to this in a second. I actually
want to ask you speak of party politics. I know
you're you're very you have a lot of ideas about
the twenty twenty four election and where things should be
and where things are right now. So I want to
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what do we have to know about how things are
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looking for the GOP in this now beginning of the
twenty twenty four election cycle.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Well, it's I mean, the basics are unchanged really for
the last several months, which is that it's a race
between Donald Trump and Florida Governor Ronda Santis. It's no
secret that I support the governor. I was. I was
a big Trump supporter for eight years, for four years
(14:38):
during his during his term, and in twenty nineteen, when
after I moved to Florida, I was shocked and very
impressed with the way my Governor Ronda Santis was handling
not only COVID but other issues that were important to
(15:02):
the right as well. And I think he's a once
in a generation or more leader because at the end
of the day I talk about this thing, I say,
you have to know what time it is, And that's
kind of shorthand for understanding the moment that we're in,
understanding that the fight necessarily cannot be won by simply
(15:24):
being a Republican of yesteryear. I think the most important
characteristic that we need to find, let's say, those of
us on the right need to find in a leader
is someone who's willing to aggressively and competently use state
power against some of the institutions on the left and
to try to rebalance, to try to rebalance the power
(15:48):
relationships and to protect the American citizens. DeSantis is the
only guy out there, frankly, that recognizes that the threats
are not only coming from the government. They're coming from
large corporations. They're coming from academia. They're coming from you know,
from big tech, They're coming from medical boards, They're coming
(16:08):
from all of these let's say, non governmental associations that
nevertheless are wielding tremendous ideological power over us, and and
that balance needs to be reshifted or else we all lose.
I mean, what's the point here if if if Amazon
can force us or you know, another big company can
(16:28):
force us too to feel a certain way about politics,
you know, and and and take on the left view,
you know, I mean, who cares. Who's sitting in the
oval office?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
They just great note, I think your I think your
cord is touching your mic a little bit because we're
getting some interference. And just watch your uh, watch your
ear quard of that a little bit or it might
just be the connection, but just watch the cord there.
And I look on on onto the the reality of
institutions platforms and and leveraging leveraging power. I've been shouting
(17:04):
to everybody who will listen that the idea of the
neutral space that the right had been obsessed with the
Conservatism that I became familiar with in high school, college
and afterwards, that we want a marketplace of ideas, but
there are also areas where we want things to be
non political. I think the right has woken up to
a reality. And it's not just now, it's been about
(17:24):
the last six or seven years in the making that
if the other side thinks that they don't have to
respect this so called neutral space because they can run
the table on you, that's what they're going to do, right,
So you have to have enough power to say, hey,
are we're gonna be We're gonna be fair and neutral
in this area or not, and if you're not, we
can do something about it. If you're just appealing to
(17:46):
the left sense of fair play, they'll just stomp your
face in the mud and laugh at you. And I
think the conservatives have finally gotten the memo on that
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I think maybe I think we have out in you know,
out out in the public, but uh, we have not
had a champion like Rohn de Santis, who was sitting
in power and actually has the ability to do some
to do something about these things. I mean, it's one
thing for us to say, you know, yes, we need
to fight back against these uh, these these institutions. But
(18:18):
it's another thing to have someone who also understands this
and has the power to do so, and the inclination
and frankly, the fearlessness with which to do it. He
understands that value neutrality is nonsense in this day and age,
you know, you can have which is you know, exactly
kind of going to your point, there's that space in
(18:41):
society that we kind of assumed was, you know, let's say,
empty of political content. But now the left has filled
that space with political content. There's nowhere you can go
from advertising to uh, you know, to to anywhere else where.
It's where like these left ideology has not kind of
seeped in. And this is moral propaganda from every possible avenue.
(19:10):
And at the end of the day, it's like it
needs to be it needs to be stopped. And Governor
DeSantis understands that, and he's willing to, uh, and he's
willing to He's willing to fight it. Not only that,
I mean what he did, for example with a new
college up in Sarasota.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Can I pause you with the college in Sarasoda. I
want to come back to in a second, because this
is the wielding of institutional power, the understanding of how
to shift and shape institutions like universities and colleges. DeSantis,
I think is somebody who will David Reboy is going
to tell us in a second just how he was
able to do that, and maybe that's a model for
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a governor of santists do to the university there or
the college there?
Speaker 2 (21:04):
So there was a there was there is a university there.
There was a small liberal arts school that the state
was paying for. And rather than close it, you know,
you had kind of, let's say, the old Republican point
of view was, hey, this stuff costs money, and you know,
maybe there are leftists there. Let's just close it down
and walk away. But Desanta's was a lot smarter than that.
(21:28):
He realized that, hey, why can't we use it for
our purposes? And it sounds like such a little thing,
but it's actually a revolution in terms of the way
the right sees itself, the way the right sees its
ability to exert power, and and really it's the way
the right sees itself as being legitimate. And Desanta said,
(21:51):
as a matter of fact, no, we're going to keep
it open, but we're going to make sure that it becomes,
you know it, that it stops teaching leftist insane dogma
and goes and becomes let's say, the premier state run
school for liberal arts and true education in kind of
(22:14):
the old way, as opposed to NonStop leftist propaganda. And
he went and he replaced you know, he replaced the
director or whoever I mean on the staff that that
put up some resistance to this. And now he's getting
teachers who are coming in from all over the country
(22:34):
and kind of wanting to do something like Hillsdale College
in Florida, And this is going to be a thriving,
wonderful school at some point when when when it really
gets off the ground and they start doing this, And
of course the left is going completely bonkers about this
(22:55):
because they you know, DeSantis knows, and they know that
DeSantis knows how important not just academia is to them.
But the the the fact that for up until now,
nobody's even been on the field when it comes to
this stuff. So they're going crazy. They're freaking out because
(23:16):
one school is not hard left and and we kind
of we need more of that. And that's just I mean,
that's one, you know, little tiny example. Disney is the
big one that everyone talks about, but they're really a lot.
And I think here in Florida, he has redefined what
it means to have conservative governance. And he has done things.
(23:39):
He's passed laws you know, I mean in this session
alone that folks on the right have been wanting for,
you know, for for ages we didn't need. We wrote
them off as if we would never get them. And
and what that does is it attracts more people on
who are on the right to move to Florida. Number one.
(24:00):
Number two is it's created such a kind of thrilling happiness.
It's very hard to describe if you don't live here,
and you know, everyone that you run into is kind
of is happy to be here. Couldn't couldn't be more happy,
and couldn't be more happy with the governor. Of course,
there are some you know, discontents, but you have that malcontents,
(24:22):
but you have that everywhere, and hopefully the campaign kind
of getting back to that. Hopefully the campaign will will
show everybody Florida and will show that you know that
the Republicans all around the country want a piece of this,
and I think they do.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
I ask you in a second, David, just about the
I feel like there's a I don't know if you
call a war on aesthetics, beauty and aspiration in this country.
But if you've seen recently, it's not just recent. I
mean it's been going on for years now. All the
stuff about whether it's fat shaming or now Adidas has
(25:05):
guys with hairy chests wearing women's bathing suits to try
to sell. Like just it feels like something weird is happening.
Where as a society, we're no longer allowed to have
anything that is aspirational and beautiful, and you know it's
everything is being torn down. I just kind of I
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(26:29):
on aesthetics, the elevation of the ugly, the unhealthy, and
the grotesque in our society, in our culture. What's that
all about.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Well, it's about dispiriting us, you know, at the end
of the day. And I don't I don't necessarily think
that this is a that this is an organized effort,
that there's somebody in the back in a control room saying,
you know what, let's give these people terribly ugly things.
But I think they're has been a long war on
(27:03):
on beauty kind of traditionally understood and and it's very
let's say, it's very easy to hop on board that
bandwagon and uh and and go for the destruction of beauty,
you know, when you are yourself not beautiful or or
you know, terribly ugly. I mean, it's a horrible thing
(27:24):
to say, but I don't think, you know, I think
we've all noticed how Antipha looks when they are arrested.
I think we we all have an idea of of
of the types of you know, the way that the
folks look who show up on lips of TikTok videos,
and you know, then these these folks are not happy.
(27:47):
So so the question is do they try to destroy
beauty because they are not happy, or are they not
happy because they are not beautiful and they want to
destroy beauty. I mean, it's it's it's kind of chicken
and an egg thing. But I think you're right to
notice that it's absolutely going on. We see it kind
of in in every place. I mean, from music to
(28:10):
cinema to art to everything that that is all around us.
I mean, even the way even the way you see
colors you know, put together in in ads or things
like that. It's not the way things you know, it's
it's it's kind of meant to unsettle in a way.
(28:32):
And and the kind of weird biolininist psycho sexual gender
thing kind of you know, feeds into that. And I
think most people who are normal kind of you know,
turn around and they look at this and they think
this is awful weird. One of the nice things is
(28:52):
I have a I have a nephew who's who's fifteen,
and he is kind of thankfully immune to a lot
of the woke stuff, and he just tells me about
his experiences in high school surrounded by this insanity. And
his parents are not very political, and so he kind
(29:16):
of came to realize that these things were insane on
his own, which gives me a lot of hope, you know.
I mean, here's a here's a young kid who just
looks around and said, you know, these people are obviously insane.
And I said to him, why do you think that
you kind of had the antibodies to fight off this disease?
(29:38):
And he's like, oh, it's simple because I play football,
because you know, for a couple hours every day, I
put the phone down and I do something real and
I do something physical, and you know, and I can't
talk my way out of it. I can't not show up,
you know. If it's the same thing with the gym,
(29:59):
I mean, and it's you know, folks who folks who
lift are almost always right wing. Why because you know,
you can't talk your way out of it. Either you
did the thing or you didn't do the thing. And
and that world of the real is really important. It's
really important to maintain because what a lot of people
(30:21):
want and the way things are going. If you look
at you know, you look at AI, you look at
social media. I think a lot of folks out there
are desirous of a world that exists, you know, electronically
and that's it, and we're and we're not you know,
we're no longer interacting in the real world. We're just
you know, we're sending messages to one another. We're no
(30:43):
longer talking on the phone. Instead, we're just texting each
other all day.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
The mat is feeling very real these days, right, So, so.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
The most important thing now is to have at least
one or two or maybe more real things that you
have in your life that connect you with reality.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I was going to a point of optimism to close on, David,
but we can leave it with that one, which is
that doing real stuff and operating in the real world
and setting aside time in your day every day to
think about whether it's at the gym or just you know,
reading good and real books and going for walks outside
in the sunshine or in the snow or wherever you are.
(31:22):
That can affect the way you view the world and
also puts the as you put it, the antibody's in
place to fight against the woke mind virus that is
out there. David reboy, everybody go check out his substack
Late Republic nonsense. David, my friend, always appreciate you hanging out.
Thanks so much, it's my pleasure.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
See us soon.
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