October 14, 2023 • 48 mins
After a month of travel and Jonathan getting COVID, our intrepid heroes have reunited to have a talk about the ongoing SAG-AFTRA strike, the conclusion of the WGA strike, a conversation on comic books, and gushing about the Meow Wolf OmegaMart installation in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Large Ner Drunk Collider the podcast.
It's all about Nikiki, things happening in the world around
us and how excited we are about them. I'm Ariel
Caston and with me as always is Jonathan Strickland.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Wow. Wow, not even the nickname this time. That's how
frustrated Ariel is.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Is as the thankful is the thankfully better and always
amazing Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Strickland's I was like, I know, we haven't done this
for a while, but come on, Yeah, okay, so let's
get some stuff off the right, off the top. First
of all, we're happy to be back. We were gone
for quite some time because Ariel had some travel, then
I had work travel that kept me out for two
consecutive fridays. Then I got COVID, so it's been a
(00:56):
month since that month. We've also had the WGA sign
an agreement with the AMPTP, so WGA strike is over,
but the sag after strike continues. Negotiating negotiations broke down
this week, so the strike is still in effect, so
we're still honoring the strike. And pertinent to this episode
(01:20):
in particular is we're having some technical issues.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, yeah, riversidewhy do you hate me? You know it's
because I said on discord that we were going to
record today a jink stit.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, So Ariel's microphone that she usually uses, she's not
able to use because for some reason, Riverside is convinced
that some other application on her computer is making use
of the microphone, even though she can't see anything that
could possibly be doing that. So in the respect of
her time, we decided we'd record with her onboard microphone
(01:56):
and their laptop. So it's going to sound a little different,
but we figured we've been off the air long enough
for us to go ahead and get an episode recorded.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yep, and Jonathan already covered one of the few things
we had to talk about today, So it's.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I mean, obviously, like like the we could say
so much more. We have said a lot about Yeah, no,
the strike, So I.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Was being silly, but yeah, WGA got I think they
got a really good contract. Some of the things that
are in the contract are actually up for review after
like three years, so they'll be going back to the
table a little earlier than normal. Sag Aftra the studios
once again said sag after is not playing nice so
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we're walking away again. Everybody's still hoping that, you know,
maybe by the first of the year. I will obviously
hopefully sooner.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
But I'll also say sag Aftra, like the negotiation team,
they said, no, the problem was that the deal that
was presented to them was actually worse than the deal
that was at the very beginning of all this before
negotiations broke down. So it's two different stories. But the
folks and the negotiating team on Sagaftra point out that
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the studios are also the ones that control the media,
and so they're like, don't believe that it's because we
you know, they were being so generous and we walked away.
It was more like like they refuse to meet us
on common ground.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Because the studios are saying they're giving them the same
uh like deal on pay as they gave to the
writers and the directors, and that what sag after is
asking for is going to cost them eight hundred million
dollars a year. So you know, again, also, what happens
behind the closed doors and what we hear are not
always coinciding.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So that's true, that's true. It's hard to hard to
know whose version of the story is the most accurate.
Chances are the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, but I know everybody wants production to go
back up. I you know, I'm guessing that writers are
back in writers' rooms, are starting there so that once
Saga After is done with their strike, things can get
rolling and then it'll be Merry Christmas to all of
us actors hopefully.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, everyone can. Everyone can start recording or start
shooting films. Which while you know, if filmmaking were something
that happens super fast, you could be doing Christmas. But
because filmmaking isn't, we're probably talking like Halloween movies at
this point.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Maybe maybe we'll see you know. But again, this is
all good, and we won't continue to bore you all
with the news because that's about it for that. What
else do we want to talk about on Discord? One
of our our awesome listeners said we should talk about
our face favorite acronyms because somebody likes to use FYI
too much. I don't know my favorite acronym. I don't
(05:09):
know if they were actually serious. Uh, my favorite acronym
is there. I used to have a pen and it
was like it was like adiewigma or something like that.
If you asked me, I'll give you a hug or something. No,
I really loved it, uh.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean like, I am notoriously grouchy about acronyms and initialisms.
I particularly hate acronyms, which is when you come up
with your acronym first and then have to invent what
it stands for. I hate that. That being said, ones
that I don't mind wizzywig. What you see is what
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you get that. That's a very popular one for Like
it's mostly for publication software. Like it means that whatever
you see on the screen is how it's supposed to
look when it prints out, which was not always the case. Y'all.
If you've been in desktop publishing for a hot minute,
like if you were active way back in the eighties,
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you know that you could have a great layout on
your screen and then when you print it, it all looks terrible.
So wizzywig was a big step in the right direction
for that. The other one, and this is because I
deal with technology all the time, is rt FM, now, Ariel,
can you guess what RTFM stands for?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Really tight and functional modems?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I like that. I love that idea. Man, this modem
is really tight, is so functional? Now it stands for
read the Freakin' manual manual. Yeah, but usually we don't
use the word freaking.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah. And there's stuff like there's acronyms, and all of
a sudden, I can't remember I use it all the time.
That's like, you know, this is just my opinion, basically, Imo,
it's not. I use a different one, but I can't
remember it like I have to use it the moment. Honestly,
I use less less acronyms, and I use more like
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short words, which annoys my husband to no end. You know,
stuff like hungy.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh, oh god.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Fro yo, I will I will, I will put a
bunch of words together and make a shorter word. And
he's like, that is the dumbest thing. Please stop, my husband,
who loves me very much.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You don't reference pizza as za, do you?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, okay, then you're not not like the Mackelroys.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Now, even though I love the Ninja Turtles, I do
not reference pizza as za. Yeah, so you might have
I was killer. You might have been joking on discord,
but there you go.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Oh yeah, I don't in the geek circles, I don't
tend to use them. So here's the other thing is that,
like I have not been active in actual geek communities
for quite some time. So like when I was active,
back when I was active, saying in the Buffy the
Vampire Slayer fandom, even then, I would find the various
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like initialisms and acronyms to be really confusing because I
was a big fan, but I was casual in the fandom,
so I wasn't I wasn't so deep in the fandom
that all the slang and shorthand and all that had
taken root in my mind, and so I would often
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just be totally perplexed as to what people were talking about,
even though I was a fan of the same thing
that they were a fan of.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's where I am in fandom. Sorry,
I'm still utterly frustrated by my microphone. BS.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's it's it's dead, Areel. You just gotta let it go.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I can't, I can't it can d I A.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
F We will, we will figure that one out and
we'll get it fixed. But yeah, for now, we can
let that go. I think there was another wasn't there
another request that we talk about? Maybe comic books.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, yeah, and specifically like Miller, like Miller's work and
how that changed comic books and stuff. So I'm gonna
be real honest. Yeah, yeah, Frank Miller. So I have
read comic books. I think the first comic book I
read was Bone, like actually sat down and read read.
It was like a bone omnibus. And I read like
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little comics and like Disney Adventures and stuff. That'll show
your age if you know what a Disney Adventure magazine is.
But uh, as far as like reading Marvel and DC,
I have read comics, but it's been a lot later
in my life, and it's been very like, oh you'll
like this one, here, read it, and then I'll read
an issue or a you know, collection of So I
(10:08):
am not the most well versed on this. I do
understand Frank Miller's importance in the in the comic book world,
But Jonathan, you might have to take lead on this one.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, I don't know that I would put Frank Miller
as being like a pivotal figure in comics and how
comics have changed. I mean, he certainly is important. He
wrote an incredibly important and influential run of Daredevil. Clearly
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like very important for the Batman mythos. He did the
Dark Knight graphic novel where it's like the return of
Batman when Bruce Wayne is in his sixties. And he
also did like Batman Year one, which came after he
had written The Dark Knight one, which are Dark Knight Returns,
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I think is what it was called. But it was
funny because he worked in some of the same kind
of lines that he had in The Dark Knight Returns.
He worked into Batman Year one retroactively, so it then
becomes like foreshadowing if you go by the chronology of Batman,
even though he wrote that part second very important elements
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of certain characters. But I would argue there are other
comic book writers and illustrators who played at least as
important a part, like I mean Alan Moore, Alan Moore, Yeah, yeah,
Alan Moore is, like I would think he's at least
as important as Frank Miller, arguably more so depending upon
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your perspective.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm not looking at Discord right now since I'm having
microphone issues. It could have said Alan Moore, so let's
talk about that too.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Sure. Yeah, so Alan Moore, I mean, he's he's the
guy behind The Watchman, which was obviously a big commentary
on superhero comics in general, and V for Vendetta V
for Vendetta, Yeah, which I cannot stand. He also he
also wrote one of what's considered one of the foundational
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Joker stories in Batman, the Killing Joke.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
He did that one, which surprisingly so DC Movies made
an animated The Killing Joke movie. Uh, and it was
so upsetting and that my husband turned it off and
he watches all of their dumb, good and dumb animated movies.
So that's that's something right there.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, and the Killing Joke. The thing that the Killing
Joke did was it explored the backstory of the Joker,
although you do have to remember the Joker himself is
an unreliable narrator, so you can't be entirely certain that
the story you're getting is reflective of what happened. But
it's what establishes the idea of the Joker being a
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failed comedian who loses his wife and child and that
drives him to madness and ultimately is what contributes to
him becoming the Joker, and draws a lot of parallels
between the Joker and Batman and saying like there's very
actually very thin line between the two and it was interesting,
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but it does have some massive issues in it, the
biggest being the a treatment of Barbara Gordon in the
story Commissioner Gordon's daughter and Batgirl Slash Oracle. It's this
story where she is paralyzed due to an attack from
the Joker, and it's a particularly floidative kind of depiction
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in the in the graphic novel, and that has continued
to be a point of criticism. So it's interesting because,
like the Death of the or the Killing Joke rather,
is one of the few graphic novels that I owned,
So when we were talking about having a conversation about comics,
like it just so happens that that's one of the ones.
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I collected a few comics, not a ton, certainly not
as many as people like Ariel And I know a
guy named Bill who has a like a room full
of boxes of comics that are arranged chronologically and everything,
and it's crazy how huge his collection is. I had
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nothing like that, but I did have a few pivotal
stories in various runs, like I had the Death of
Superman run from Gush. When did that come up? Ninety two?
I came out around ninety two and I had the
Death of Superman run, which was a pretty big deal
because you know, DC killed off Superman. Of course, not forever.
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He did come back, because everyone in comics does, including
Jason Todd, who the Joker killed also the same year
that The Killing Joke came out. But yeah, I had those.
Those were like the big storylines, and I had those,
but that was the exception. I didn't collect them religiously.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, we still get new comic books in this house.
We've got a wall that's just got a bunch of
bookshelves of comic books on it, and of course we
give them away and never get them back. One of
the ones that I did like, although I don't know
if it holds up so much, but it was one
that Neil Gaiman was involved with. It was Marvel sixteen
oh two. Are you familiar with that one?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Is that the one where it reimagines characters as seventeenth
century figures, So.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like, yeah, basically Superhero show up for one hundred year early.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so Captain America is like a Native American and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
But I think that's part of the problem is because
he might be white I don't remember. I'm looking it up,
but yeah, no, it's it's it's a really interesting fun reimagining.
Like I said, I don't know if it would hold up,
but it is really fun.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah. I for some reason, I mix that up with
because DC did something similar where they they had some
comics where there was one where I want to say
Superman is represented in the Revolutionary War between America and
the UK, but I don't remember what that one was called.
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It was one that I didn't collect, but it's one
where I thought, oh, that's kind of a neat idea.
And that's as far as it went. I do have
a list of I made up a list of comics
that I did own or collect if you're if you're
curious to hear some.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Of them, I am, but real quick, you were right.
He was Native American, but he was blonde haired and
blue eyed, and his name was Rojazz Rojas Rojhz. So
interesting take on, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's Roger's Roger because Steve Rogers.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yep, yeah, cute, but it was fun. Yeah, okay, yes,
so yes, give me your list.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So one series that I collected the entire run of
the initial run anyway, was Elf Quest by Wendy and
Richard Penny that originally launched back in nineteen seventy eight,
which tells you that I'm old. But I had the
full original run of those comics, which at the time
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the first issue was published, I forget under what label.
It was like an underground comics label. And then all
the rest in that run were published on Warp Comics
or Warp Graphics, and I had all of those. They
would eventually republish that run under Marvel and then again
later republish it again under DC, so it had runs
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under multiple publishers, but I had the original selection of those.
I had most of the early issues of Howard the Duck,
and I collected a comic book called What The which
was a joke comic book. It was published by Marvel
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or Marvel Comics, according to What The and it was
just filled with satire about comic books and parodies of
comic books. Spider Ham, the Spectacular spider Ham came out
of What The Grew the Wanderer I had. I had
tons of Grew comic books by Sergio Araganez, who also
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was an artist for Mad magazine, and then and you know,
I talked about the Death of Superman and the Killing Joke,
and Death in the Family. I had all of those
bone which you mentioned. I had that one as well,
and I had the mini series, the eight ish U
mini series of myth Adventures by Phil Folio, based off
the first novel in the myth Adventures series by Robert Asprin.
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So those are the ones I can recall as owning
when I was a kid, and I didn't collect I
haven't been collecting comics in my adult life at all,
So that's the extent of it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
A lot of the comics in our collection are kind
of the darker ones, things like Watchmen. I think we've
got a lot of a lot of fun, happy ones,
like some really fun Spider Man ones, trying to get
the teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtle, Omnibuses. We've got Buffy, the
Buffy comics, some of them they kind of went off
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the rails.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, they got a little dark too.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, but we I have a lot of real dark
stuff like The Walking Dead or trans Metropolitan or Watchmen
or things like that. I you know, I think my
husband even owns Yeah, he owns some Preacher and that
is just not my style of story, you know. And
albeit some of them are darker than others. I'd say
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that trans Metropolitan is not as dark as some of
the other ones, although it is very satirical, you know.
So I tend to like the lighter, funner stuff. I
like a lot of Spider Man because it's fun. I
like a lot of like crossover Infinite Universe type stuff
the sixteen oh two. I like Saga and Bone and
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Umbrella Academy and things like that. Those are those those ones. Obviously,
I've gotten into Umbrella Academy and Saga more recently because
they're I say they're recent. They probably are not that recent,
they're more recent to me.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And then, you know, I love a lot of comic
book stuff that I've never actually read the comic for,
like Read. I love the movie Read, which is about
a bunch of Richard.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
All Right retired Secret Service or CIA or KGB and
all this kind of stuff who are all retired who
kind of kind of still are all badasses even though
they aren't active in service anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, so I should be like there are so many
times I'm like, oh, this is a comic book movie,
I'll probably like it, and then I have full intentions
of reading the comic, and I only do about half
the time. I have read Scott Pilgrim, and I did
read the first two television series worth of the comic
of Walking Dead, even though I knew that one was dark.
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Somehow easier to read than watch.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I when I was a teenager, I read probably
the first dozen or maybe first twenty issues of Sandman
Neil Gaiman's Sandman comic, but fell off since then and
I haven't watched the the series yet. Justice League International
and Justice League Europe were titles I would read when
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I was over at a friend's house. He had all
those and I would just kind of flip through them
and read them. And those were weird because it was
an era of time where like these were both spin
offs of Justice League America right, and Justice League International
and Justice League Europe both had way more humor in
them than Justice League America did. In fact, Justice League
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International at some points was essentially a comedy comic book,
and I really those really appealed to me because I
liked the tone a lot. I liked how playful and
silly they were. I'm not sure how hardcore comic book
fans took it, but I thought they were really entertaining,
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and it was always hard for me to take comic
books really seriously, which I know is a very kind
of elitist, snobby way to look at it, but you
have to remember, like when I was young, I went
straight from reading children like literally children's books books for
like while you're learning to read, to go straight to
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fantasy novels that were meant for younger audiences, things like
The Hobbit and the Tar and Wanderer series and myth
Adventures and Zanth Peers Anthony's novels, which have so many
problematic elements to them. But you know, I went straight
to reading those that like I did. The comic books
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didn't appeal to me because I liked the rich language
you would find in these fantasy novels, and I was
a fantasy kid. I was not a science fiction kid,
but I like the rich narratives of the fantasy novels
where you would imagine all the things, whereas comic books,
I felt like, well, you don't have to imagine anything.
All the pictures are there, and there's not the space
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to be as florid with your language. You could argue
that that actually makes it far more difficult because you
have less space to tell a story, so you need
to be very economical with your words. But it didn't
appeal to me the way fantasy novels did.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So I think I'm in the same boat like comics,
even though I, like I said, I read them in
Disney Adventures. But they were definitely a as I grew up,
sort of a thing that I got into, even though
I liked the stories. Again because also I went from reading,
you know, kids books to reading books like The Hobbit
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or you know, The Rolling Stones by Heinlen or Time
for the Stars even and other fantasy and sci fi stuff.
You know, I'd go into the library and look for
Asimov stories, which, let me tell you, it was a
rude awakening when I learned that Hindline and Asimov we're
not all for kids, because they write some really good
young adult stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, but Hyland writes some really messed up stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, but I didn't know that. The two books that
I read of his, like my intro to him, I
was like, oh, those are lovely. They were both great stories.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So what's what's funny is that Ariel and I Ariel
and I have appeared in a radio adaptation of one
of Hyland's works that is truly messed up. And uh,
and I feel complicit.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yes, yes, in fact, we performed it at his centennial.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Weren't you there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Was that the one that was like in yeah, I
was saying Missouri, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Kansas City, Missouri is lovely. There's a train museum and
lots of pretty fountains. That's what I remember of it,
other than us performing there. No, I do like comics.
I just nowadays like a lot of my comic or
at least for a while, a lot of my comic
introduction was I have friends come visit us, because you know,
my house is at least used to be before the pandemic,
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a revolving door. Friends. Uh, And they would bring, Oh,
I found this really cool comic, here's some issues of it,
and then you know, we'd all sit down and read
them throughout the week. So that's that's how I've stayed
up to date with comics a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
My interest in comics really got kind of like reignited
by the various comic book movies. I mean, I'm not
going to name them because the strike still on, but
like various movies would come out and I'd think, Huh,
I wonder if this story ever played out in the comics,
and if so, how is it different? And I would
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look into it, but not to the extent of actually
going and buying comics. I did. At one point Amazon
had a thing where they were not Amazon, but like
there was like a comic book app and it had
this thing where that was like Free Comic Book Day,
and I just ended up getting like thirty or forty
different comic books for free. I have not read through
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all of them, but I remember I did get a
ton of Black Panther comics and started reading those, and
those were quite quite entertaining. Also, Moonnight, I read some
Moonnight comics and those were really good too.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah. I will say like I'm more likely to sit
down with a comic book now. I haven't read. I've
been reading like I've been trying to get through The
Talisman and the Color of Magic for the last seven years,
just because I do so much editing and I do
so much script reading that a comic book is a
lot easier for me to digest. I still love reading,
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but it's just finding the time to when I sit
down with a book, I need time to invest in
it and sit and really get involved in the story.
If I can only read a couple pages, it's not
going to grip me. I'm not going to like reading
two pages of a book is not rewarding to me,
and I'm not going to go back to it. So
I just I really need the time. A comic book
is a lot easier to read a couple pages and
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then pick up again later.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah that's true. And you know, again, like my snobby
attitude aside, I don't think that comic books are a
lesser form of art. I do think it takes a
great deal of skill to write and to illustrate comic books,
and that you can have really gripping stories. It's clear
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that you can have gripping stories because there are storylines
that people still talk about years after the comic came out,
and whether for good or ill right, whether or not
people look back on that and say, wow, that was
really a turning point or gosh, it really went downhill
because of this. But you know, you can't really have
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those discussions unless the actual material has an impact in
the first place, and clearly it does. I mean the
fact that every other movie that comes out now is
somehow related to comic books tells you that it has
that impact. It's just that again, I was just never
like the collector type, but I could appreciate it, but
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it just I guess it was one of those things
where I wanted to save my allowance money for other stuff.
I mean, it's funny. Like the way I even got
started with Howard Duck is because I was at a
science fiction convention. They had a lip sync competition which
I entered with my dad, and we did a lip
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sync routine to a song by Ray Stevens and we
won first place, which was a like a one hundred
dollars gift certificate to a local comic book shop. And
this was not in the city that we lived in.
So I was like, well, I guess we're going tomorrow
because we leave at the end of the day, so
we need to go and do this, and and I
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didn't know what to buy. So the comic book shop
they had like some computer games, like it was the
old old days of computer games where you would find
them in things like hobby stores. So I bought a
few computer games that were mostly garbage, and then I
still had money. So I was like, I guess, I
guess I'll get some comics. And I found Howard the
Duck and I started picking those out and the guy
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was like, oh man, I put those in the wrong
ben those are supposed to be you know, you know,
five dollars or something like they were in the normal
like seventy five cents or whatever. So oh, that's okay,
you can charge the He's like, no, no, no, you
found them in that one, I'll charge you that. I'm like, no,
I'm trying to get rid of money.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
That's awesome. You're you're the best customer, you know. I
hope this doesn't diminish our geek cred with our listeners.
I am really interested for everybody who listens to this
episode to pop in Discord or email us or whatever
your favorite. And this isn't me wrapping up, because I
do want to ask you about one more thing not
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comic related, Jonathan sure, end, but I am really interested
for any listeners out there to tell us what comics
you like, you know, and if they aren't all the
ones that you do like. So if they are Marvel
or DC regular material, that's great, but if they're different
or something new or unique. That's super awesome too, because
you know, I love adding things to my list for
(30:59):
when I eventually do read.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there might be a
couple of other, like like independent comics that I read
over time, like I want to say, I had The
Max for a while, and some other stuff that's along
those lines. But I really I really dig the whole
underground comic book scene too, because obviously, like you have
(31:22):
the the big gatekeeper companies of like Marvel and DC,
but there's a lot more that's out there too.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, there's some comic that's like The Lumber James, which
I think is a like a more indie sort of
a comic about girls at a Scout camp that fight
supernatural creatures and it's kind of very literary based from
my understanding, that like is high on my list to read.
(31:52):
So okay, So the last thing I wanted to ask
you about was MIAW Wolf if you want to share.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh yeah, yeah. So one of the things I did
in Las Vegas before I came down with COVID, and
I will not go into how I feel about that,
is I went to the Meowolf installation Omega mart In
Las Vegas and Ariel, you've done this one too, right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's the only Mao Wolf installation I've done, which is
why I keep calling it Meowolf instead of a Mega
Mart is because my brain it's interchangeable. It's the only
one I've done.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, So Meowolf is an artist collective. If you're not
familiar with them, you should totally look them up because
they do some really creative, funky stuff and they've done
a lot of work in immersive art where you, as
a participant, become part of the whole art experience. And
(32:52):
so the Omega Mart experience in Las Vegas is presented
as the front end is an odd and very odd
little grocery store, and if you start looking at any
of the products, you're like, wow, these things are weird.
It is a wackadoodle grocery store selling all sorts of
strange products. And if you pay attention, you'll see like,
(33:16):
there are TVs inside the grocery store that are running
video loops, and some of them are a little like
almost like Lovecraftian in how strange they are. And if
you explore, you can discover that there are various pathways
that lead you to the back of the store. Some
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of them lead you into an employee's only kind of area,
like in a break room and stuff. Other areas will
be like a set up like a little desert community,
and there's one that's set up like a big factory
floor and offices connected to the factory, and you start
to uncover a weird, somewhat supernatural mystery that is related
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to the family that runs the grocery store that owns
like this chain of grocery stores, and there's all sorts
of components to it, like there's a mystical power. There's
a child who appears to have been at least partly
the product of this mystical power, interacting with a woman
and making her pregnant. There's the fact that that woman
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has an incredibly ambitious desire to lead the company, like
to the point where she comes across as like almost
like a cartoonish villain in some of the parts. But
the story is told through all these different disparate elements
throughout the entirety of the installation, and you get out
of it what you put into it. So you've got
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to spend a whole lot of time thumbing through documents
and watching little video clips and reading emails and even unlocking. Yeah,
you can get to a point where you're actually able
to access folders and files that previously have been locked
away from you, but you have to actually go through
the whole process to get to that point. And this
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is both good and bad. It's good in that it's
incredibly engrossing and it's really interesting. It's bad for two reasons. One,
it takes a very long time to go through if
you don't know what you're doing right because you're exploring,
you don't know to go, Oh, I need to go
here to do this one thing, and then that's going
to progress me further in the story. And related to
(35:37):
that is if it's busy. The other part of the
problem is that if it's busy, then you have a
you can feel pressure to have to move on so
that someone else can at least get some of the
experience of doing whatever it was you were doing at
that moment, which means you're not going to get all
the information you need to move the story forward.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, yeah, they do. I right into the issue and
it wasn't super busy when I went because I went
in twenty twenty one. Because I was there My husband
was traveling for work and I went with him and
we were all masked and vaccinated and all that. But
it wasn't very busy, thankfully at the time. But we
still had to wait because there were certain things that
were like very popular and just took a while to
(36:20):
go through and everybody wanted to do them. Did you
get to the part where there were a bunch of
mailboxes with letters in them? Yes, okay, because there was
one letter. I took a picture of it because I
was like, this person has got to write to welcome
for Nightvale. Got to write for welcome to night Vale.
When they were talking about under Mallers.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I don't know that I saw that one, but I
know we did go through like a lot of letters
in those mailboxes, but I don't remember under Mallers.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, I want to read it because you'll abuse if
you're worried about Meowolf spoilers, tune out for like the
next seventy five seconds. It says, do you hear Dwellers?
At approximately midnight on ar third, a group of young
people who called themselves under Mallers descended on our peaceful
village to commit an illegal act of graffiti. On our
treasured town Library. Phrases such as we love books and
(37:09):
the libraries a treasured community asset were crudely scrawled onto
the side of the building in garish neon spray paint.
Please join us this Saturday for a cleanup day. Maria's
Burrito Explosion will be providing breakfast, and please remember the
library is a dot dot dot treasured community asset, so
please consider donating to our fund drive and help us
keep our building clean and free from the whims of
(37:29):
young people. That is just straight out of a Night
Veil episode.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, no, it does sound a lot like Nivelle's approach,
especially to libraries, which are very dangerous places in the
world of Night Veil. We might have actually have seen that.
I don't remember. I didn't remember the under Mahler's term,
but I do remember because I want to say that
that was written by a woman character in the story
(37:55):
who has like two or three letters, and she comes
across as a very very much a busy body who
is kind of enforcing her will on other members of
the community.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yes, yes, they will. They do have people there, so
this is a lot of fun. And they've got one
in like Arizona, and one in Colorado, one in Great Vine, Texas.
I keep hoping for one in Atlanta, where Jonathan and
I are. But if you go, if you happen to
find yourself at one of these installations, know that there
are employees and workers there who if you ask them
(38:30):
for help, they will give you hints. Because Tony and
I walked around for like an hour and weren't sure
what to do, and then as soon as we asked somebody,
they gave us a hint and we were able to follow.
But you kind of go in without any instructions, and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I mean just exploring the grocery store part is pretty amusing.
But I mean that's like the very tip of the
iceberg as far as the content of the the installation goes.
And there are also different tiers of participation as well,
like you can add on like an employee, I cust
(39:13):
identification card, which lets you interact with some of the
screens and stuff in a way that tracks your progress
as you go through, So it's not like you're having
to perform as a guest every single time. But it
is an ad all.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I thought everybody got those.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Not when I went. When I went if you if
you got the basic ticket entry I think they had
changed it not that long ago actually, but if you
get the basic ticket, it does not include the company card.
But I got the VIP tickets so that we would
because the basic tickets have a specific time tied to it,
(39:51):
you need to be there at that time in order
to get entry into the installation. I got VIP which
didn't you had to what day, but you can go
at any time during the day. So I did that
and that came with the corporate card thing. But yeah, no,
they changed that, I want to say earlier this year
(40:14):
where it's an add on now, but yeah, it's it's
what lets you like when you interact with a computer terminal,
it will like you can you can actually essentially save
your progress and you can even do things like save
files to your little profile, which means that you could
(40:36):
watch them elsewhere. You don't have to just sit at
the terminal, which is very helpful if you want to
make sure you're freeing the space up for someone else
to use. It is super neat, like there's very like
it's a very weird, very night veil slash lovecraft, and
it's in its tone like something is you can tell
immediately that things are off just from the grocery store part,
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but the further you get in, the more you like, Wow,
something's really messed up. It's got like extra terrestrial elements
to it. But the joy of discovery is a big,
big part of the appeal of the experience. So if
you're someone who like there's some elements of escape room
in it, although there's you can leave at any time,
so it's not really an a scape room, but there's
some elements of that. If you're into those kind of
(41:21):
things and you know, sort of discovering through exploration and experimentation,
it's totally something to try.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah. Yeah, And I will say like there were a
lot of well not a lot because it was increwded,
but there were kids there when I went, because I
think the experience is very well built. There are a
couple of things that I was like, oh, this would
be scary if a kid saw it, but not much
a lot of it. Like if you're a kid, you're
going to run around playing with the music stuff and
going downslides and touching walls, and if you're an adult
(41:51):
then you might follow the story. So it's I feel
like it's got a wide age range that can appreciate
it too.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Maybe not as wide now because at least when we
were there, the slides were all blocked off.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Oh no, that's the saddest.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, you could, you can totally. I mean they were
all still there, but they didn't. You couldn't access them,
and so I was like, wow, I wonder what happened.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Sad. Maybe maybe somebody vomited in one and they needed
to clean it up. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Did you Did you do anything else in the area
fifteen complex besides the Omega Mart.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
We walked around. There was like a fun game store
with like a Zoltan kind of a thing in it.
We looked at the cool art. There's a bunch of
really cool sculptures outside and took pictures of that. I
didn't do like the Burly Show. I didn't do the
movie experiences there, and I didn't eat there, but wandered
(42:51):
around and enjoyed it. It's a really interesting area, for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
We just ducked into the Omega Mart gifts store and
did a couple of We did some shopping for some
like souvenirs for friends and co workers and that kind
of thing, and then I was fading because you know,
Las Vegas is in the Pacific time zone and we're
in the Eastern time zone, and I was trying not
to get too adapted to Pacific time and it was
(43:17):
starting to get not not late there, but certainly late
by Eastern time standards, and I was like, I need
to go back and lay down. So we did not
explore very.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Much, gotcha, I yeah, I. When I was there, you
just would actually pull stuff off of the shelves in
the Omega mart, like not everything was for sale, but
a lot of it was.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, they they the same thing was true when we
were there, Like you could buy like if you wanted
to get a box of cereal that had a very
weird name on it, you could.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Totally do that, but does not contain spiders.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Right right. I can't remember all the names of all
the different products. I took tons of pictures of them,
and there were lots of funny ones. But yeah, I
loved the experience. But yeah, the gift shop is more
of your standard stuff like T shirts and hats and
that kind of thing, as opposed to the products that
you encounter in the grocery store, which you can't actually
(44:14):
buy if you really, if you want to like the
one of the one of the products I just pulled
it up on my phone is it looks like a
big bottle of laundry detergent and the brand name is
plausible deniability.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, there's something about Like there was the Spider cereal,
which I hated. There was something about I can't It
was like, I can't believe it's not butter cleaning spray
yes or something something to that effect. It wasn't quite
that and junk d or cereal and personalized bleach. You
could not buy the personalized bleach sadly because that's what
(44:50):
I would have wanted. But yeah, it's a lot of fun.
And thank you guys for listening to me talk about
Jonathan or talk with Jonathan out of Mega Mark, because
I wanted to hear about his experience and I hadn't
had a chance to chat with him yet. So you
guys just got to enjoy it with me. That is
(45:11):
all the time we have for today. That's all we've
got on our list to talk about. I think Jonathan
am I right?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Cool. We do have other topics that you guys have suggested,
but I think they will be a longer conversation that
we can get into in future episodes while we wait
for the second after strike to resolve. But in the meantime, yes,
please write us. We love hearing from you. How Jonathan,
(45:38):
how can they it's been a while, I almost forgot.
How can they do that?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well? The way you do it is you will go
out to the desert and you'll take off your shoes
and you'll walk as far as you can before the
sand start to burn at your feet. You will sink
to your knees, your head will bow. You will see
droplets of sweat fall before your eyes, hissing against the
(46:04):
sand and almost immediately evaporating. And when you turn your
eyes upward again, you'll see in front of you a
mysterious convenience store that has materialized out of the wastes
of the desert. You will go inside, and as you
walk down the aisle, you will see to your left
a row of cleaning spray called who told you this
(46:27):
was butter? And you will look behind them, and as
you clear the bottles, you'll see my disembodied head, and
I'll ask you what your question is?
Speaker 1 (46:37):
That is exceptionally frightening. Jonathan, Please don't lose your head,
uh one of Oh jeez? Oh wait what? Oh no,
it looks like it was attached to your body. You're
giving me like some severe Wizard of Oz sequel vibes.
I'm losing my mind a little bit. If you are
(46:58):
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(47:19):
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Also if you want to email us Where a Large
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one up for a large neur drunk Collider when I
can for anybody who's there. And yeah, that's it, so.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Until next time I have been Jonathan, just call me
Princess Mombi Strickland.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Great, I love it and I am Ariel, Who, Where,
when and why cast it?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
The Large Nordron Collider was created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted,
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Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Large Ner Drunk Collider the podcast.
It's all about Nikiki, things happening in the world around
us and how excited we are about them. I'm Ariel
Caston and with me as always is Jonathan Strickland.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Wow. Wow, not even the nickname this time. That's how
frustrated Ariel is.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Is as the thankful is the thankfully better and always
amazing Jonathan.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Strickland's I was like, I know, we haven't done this
for a while, but come on, Yeah, okay, so let's
get some stuff off the right, off the top. First
of all, we're happy to be back. We were gone
for quite some time because Ariel had some travel, then
I had work travel that kept me out for two
consecutive fridays. Then I got COVID, so it's been a
(00:56):
month since that month. We've also had the WGA sign
an agreement with the AMPTP, so WGA strike is over,
but the sag after strike continues. Negotiating negotiations broke down
this week, so the strike is still in effect, so
we're still honoring the strike. And pertinent to this episode
(01:20):
in particular is we're having some technical issues.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, yeah, riversidewhy do you hate me? You know it's
because I said on discord that we were going to
record today a jink stit.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, So Ariel's microphone that she usually uses, she's not
able to use because for some reason, Riverside is convinced
that some other application on her computer is making use
of the microphone, even though she can't see anything that
could possibly be doing that. So in the respect of
her time, we decided we'd record with her onboard microphone
(01:56):
and their laptop. So it's going to sound a little different,
but we figured we've been off the air long enough
for us to go ahead and get an episode recorded.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yep, and Jonathan already covered one of the few things
we had to talk about today, So it's.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Well, I mean, obviously, like like the we could say
so much more. We have said a lot about Yeah, no,
the strike, So I.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Was being silly, but yeah, WGA got I think they
got a really good contract. Some of the things that
are in the contract are actually up for review after
like three years, so they'll be going back to the
table a little earlier than normal. Sag Aftra the studios
once again said sag after is not playing nice so
(02:44):
we're walking away again. Everybody's still hoping that, you know,
maybe by the first of the year. I will obviously
hopefully sooner.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
But I'll also say sag Aftra, like the negotiation team,
they said, no, the problem was that the deal that
was presented to them was actually worse than the deal
that was at the very beginning of all this before
negotiations broke down. So it's two different stories. But the
folks and the negotiating team on Sagaftra point out that
(03:13):
the studios are also the ones that control the media,
and so they're like, don't believe that it's because we
you know, they were being so generous and we walked away.
It was more like like they refuse to meet us
on common ground.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Because the studios are saying they're giving them the same
uh like deal on pay as they gave to the
writers and the directors, and that what sag after is
asking for is going to cost them eight hundred million
dollars a year. So you know, again, also, what happens
behind the closed doors and what we hear are not
always coinciding.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
So that's true, that's true. It's hard to hard to
know whose version of the story is the most accurate.
Chances are the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, yeah, but I know everybody wants production to go
back up. I you know, I'm guessing that writers are
back in writers' rooms, are starting there so that once
Saga After is done with their strike, things can get
rolling and then it'll be Merry Christmas to all of
us actors hopefully.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, everyone can. Everyone can start recording or start
shooting films. Which while you know, if filmmaking were something
that happens super fast, you could be doing Christmas. But
because filmmaking isn't, we're probably talking like Halloween movies at
this point.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Maybe maybe we'll see you know. But again, this is
all good, and we won't continue to bore you all
with the news because that's about it for that. What
else do we want to talk about on Discord? One
of our our awesome listeners said we should talk about
our face favorite acronyms because somebody likes to use FYI
too much. I don't know my favorite acronym. I don't
(05:09):
know if they were actually serious. Uh, my favorite acronym
is there. I used to have a pen and it
was like it was like adiewigma or something like that.
If you asked me, I'll give you a hug or something. No,
I really loved it, uh.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I mean like, I am notoriously grouchy about acronyms and initialisms.
I particularly hate acronyms, which is when you come up
with your acronym first and then have to invent what
it stands for. I hate that. That being said, ones
that I don't mind wizzywig. What you see is what
(05:48):
you get that. That's a very popular one for Like
it's mostly for publication software. Like it means that whatever
you see on the screen is how it's supposed to
look when it prints out, which was not always the case. Y'all.
If you've been in desktop publishing for a hot minute,
like if you were active way back in the eighties,
(06:08):
you know that you could have a great layout on
your screen and then when you print it, it all looks terrible.
So wizzywig was a big step in the right direction
for that. The other one, and this is because I
deal with technology all the time, is rt FM, now, Ariel,
can you guess what RTFM stands for?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Really tight and functional modems?
Speaker 2 (06:31):
I like that. I love that idea. Man, this modem
is really tight, is so functional? Now it stands for
read the Freakin' manual manual. Yeah, but usually we don't
use the word freaking.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah. And there's stuff like there's acronyms, and all of
a sudden, I can't remember I use it all the time.
That's like, you know, this is just my opinion, basically, Imo,
it's not. I use a different one, but I can't
remember it like I have to use it the moment. Honestly,
I use less less acronyms, and I use more like
(07:11):
short words, which annoys my husband to no end. You know,
stuff like hungy.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Oh, oh god.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Fro yo, I will I will, I will put a
bunch of words together and make a shorter word. And
he's like, that is the dumbest thing. Please stop, my husband,
who loves me very much.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You don't reference pizza as za, do you?
Speaker 1 (07:39):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
No, okay, then you're not not like the Mackelroys.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Now, even though I love the Ninja Turtles, I do
not reference pizza as za. Yeah, so you might have
I was killer. You might have been joking on discord,
but there you go.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Oh yeah, I don't in the geek circles, I don't
tend to use them. So here's the other thing is that,
like I have not been active in actual geek communities
for quite some time. So like when I was active,
back when I was active, saying in the Buffy the
Vampire Slayer fandom, even then, I would find the various
(08:22):
like initialisms and acronyms to be really confusing because I
was a big fan, but I was casual in the fandom,
so I wasn't I wasn't so deep in the fandom
that all the slang and shorthand and all that had
taken root in my mind, and so I would often
(08:43):
just be totally perplexed as to what people were talking about,
even though I was a fan of the same thing
that they were a fan of.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's where I am in fandom. Sorry,
I'm still utterly frustrated by my microphone. BS.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It's it's it's dead, Areel. You just gotta let it go.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
I can't, I can't it can d I A.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
F We will, we will figure that one out and
we'll get it fixed. But yeah, for now, we can
let that go. I think there was another wasn't there
another request that we talk about? Maybe comic books.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Yeah, yeah, and specifically like Miller, like Miller's work and
how that changed comic books and stuff. So I'm gonna
be real honest. Yeah, yeah, Frank Miller. So I have
read comic books. I think the first comic book I
read was Bone, like actually sat down and read read.
It was like a bone omnibus. And I read like
(09:45):
little comics and like Disney Adventures and stuff. That'll show
your age if you know what a Disney Adventure magazine is.
But uh, as far as like reading Marvel and DC,
I have read comics, but it's been a lot later
in my life, and it's been very like, oh you'll
like this one, here, read it, and then I'll read
an issue or a you know, collection of So I
(10:08):
am not the most well versed on this. I do
understand Frank Miller's importance in the in the comic book world,
But Jonathan, you might have to take lead on this one.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, I don't know that I would put Frank Miller
as being like a pivotal figure in comics and how
comics have changed. I mean, he certainly is important. He
wrote an incredibly important and influential run of Daredevil. Clearly
(10:42):
like very important for the Batman mythos. He did the
Dark Knight graphic novel where it's like the return of
Batman when Bruce Wayne is in his sixties. And he
also did like Batman Year one, which came after he
had written The Dark Knight one, which are Dark Knight Returns,
(11:05):
I think is what it was called. But it was
funny because he worked in some of the same kind
of lines that he had in The Dark Knight Returns.
He worked into Batman Year one retroactively, so it then
becomes like foreshadowing if you go by the chronology of Batman,
even though he wrote that part second very important elements
(11:29):
of certain characters. But I would argue there are other
comic book writers and illustrators who played at least as
important a part, like I mean Alan Moore, Alan Moore, Yeah, yeah,
Alan Moore is, like I would think he's at least
as important as Frank Miller, arguably more so depending upon
(11:52):
your perspective.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm not looking at Discord right now since I'm having
microphone issues. It could have said Alan Moore, so let's
talk about that too.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Sure. Yeah, so Alan Moore, I mean, he's he's the
guy behind The Watchman, which was obviously a big commentary
on superhero comics in general, and V for Vendetta V
for Vendetta, Yeah, which I cannot stand. He also he
also wrote one of what's considered one of the foundational
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Joker stories in Batman, the Killing Joke.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
He did that one, which surprisingly so DC Movies made
an animated The Killing Joke movie. Uh, and it was
so upsetting and that my husband turned it off and
he watches all of their dumb, good and dumb animated movies.
So that's that's something right there.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Well, and the Killing Joke. The thing that the Killing
Joke did was it explored the backstory of the Joker,
although you do have to remember the Joker himself is
an unreliable narrator, so you can't be entirely certain that
the story you're getting is reflective of what happened. But
it's what establishes the idea of the Joker being a
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failed comedian who loses his wife and child and that
drives him to madness and ultimately is what contributes to
him becoming the Joker, and draws a lot of parallels
between the Joker and Batman and saying like there's very
actually very thin line between the two and it was interesting,
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but it does have some massive issues in it, the
biggest being the a treatment of Barbara Gordon in the
story Commissioner Gordon's daughter and Batgirl Slash Oracle. It's this
story where she is paralyzed due to an attack from
the Joker, and it's a particularly floidative kind of depiction
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in the in the graphic novel, and that has continued
to be a point of criticism. So it's interesting because,
like the Death of the or the Killing Joke rather,
is one of the few graphic novels that I owned,
So when we were talking about having a conversation about comics,
like it just so happens that that's one of the ones.
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I collected a few comics, not a ton, certainly not
as many as people like Ariel And I know a
guy named Bill who has a like a room full
of boxes of comics that are arranged chronologically and everything,
and it's crazy how huge his collection is. I had
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nothing like that, but I did have a few pivotal
stories in various runs, like I had the Death of
Superman run from Gush. When did that come up? Ninety two?
I came out around ninety two and I had the
Death of Superman run, which was a pretty big deal
because you know, DC killed off Superman. Of course, not forever.
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He did come back, because everyone in comics does, including
Jason Todd, who the Joker killed also the same year
that The Killing Joke came out. But yeah, I had those.
Those were like the big storylines, and I had those,
but that was the exception. I didn't collect them religiously.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, we still get new comic books in this house.
We've got a wall that's just got a bunch of
bookshelves of comic books on it, and of course we
give them away and never get them back. One of
the ones that I did like, although I don't know
if it holds up so much, but it was one
that Neil Gaiman was involved with. It was Marvel sixteen
oh two. Are you familiar with that one?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Is that the one where it reimagines characters as seventeenth
century figures, So.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like, yeah, basically Superhero show up for one hundred year early.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so Captain America is like a Native American and
stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
But I think that's part of the problem is because
he might be white I don't remember. I'm looking it up,
but yeah, no, it's it's it's a really interesting fun reimagining.
Like I said, I don't know if it would hold up,
but it is really fun.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah. I for some reason, I mix that up with
because DC did something similar where they they had some
comics where there was one where I want to say
Superman is represented in the Revolutionary War between America and
the UK, but I don't remember what that one was called.
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It was one that I didn't collect, but it's one
where I thought, oh, that's kind of a neat idea.
And that's as far as it went. I do have
a list of I made up a list of comics
that I did own or collect if you're if you're
curious to hear some.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Of them, I am, but real quick, you were right.
He was Native American, but he was blonde haired and
blue eyed, and his name was Rojazz Rojas Rojhz. So
interesting take on, Oh.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's Roger's Roger because Steve Rogers.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Yep, yeah, cute, but it was fun. Yeah, okay, yes,
so yes, give me your list.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
So one series that I collected the entire run of
the initial run anyway, was Elf Quest by Wendy and
Richard Penny that originally launched back in nineteen seventy eight,
which tells you that I'm old. But I had the
full original run of those comics, which at the time
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the first issue was published, I forget under what label.
It was like an underground comics label. And then all
the rest in that run were published on Warp Comics
or Warp Graphics, and I had all of those. They
would eventually republish that run under Marvel and then again
later republish it again under DC, so it had runs
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under multiple publishers, but I had the original selection of those.
I had most of the early issues of Howard the Duck,
and I collected a comic book called What The which
was a joke comic book. It was published by Marvel
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or Marvel Comics, according to What The and it was
just filled with satire about comic books and parodies of
comic books. Spider Ham, the Spectacular spider Ham came out
of What The Grew the Wanderer I had. I had
tons of Grew comic books by Sergio Araganez, who also
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was an artist for Mad magazine, and then and you know,
I talked about the Death of Superman and the Killing Joke,
and Death in the Family. I had all of those
bone which you mentioned. I had that one as well,
and I had the mini series, the eight ish U
mini series of myth Adventures by Phil Folio, based off
the first novel in the myth Adventures series by Robert Asprin.
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So those are the ones I can recall as owning
when I was a kid, and I didn't collect I
haven't been collecting comics in my adult life at all,
So that's the extent of it.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
A lot of the comics in our collection are kind
of the darker ones, things like Watchmen. I think we've
got a lot of a lot of fun, happy ones,
like some really fun Spider Man ones, trying to get
the teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtle, Omnibuses. We've got Buffy, the
Buffy comics, some of them they kind of went off
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the rails.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Yeah, they got a little dark too.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah, but we I have a lot of real dark
stuff like The Walking Dead or trans Metropolitan or Watchmen
or things like that. I you know, I think my
husband even owns Yeah, he owns some Preacher and that
is just not my style of story, you know. And
albeit some of them are darker than others. I'd say
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that trans Metropolitan is not as dark as some of
the other ones, although it is very satirical, you know.
So I tend to like the lighter, funner stuff. I
like a lot of Spider Man because it's fun. I
like a lot of like crossover Infinite Universe type stuff
the sixteen oh two. I like Saga and Bone and
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Umbrella Academy and things like that. Those are those those ones. Obviously,
I've gotten into Umbrella Academy and Saga more recently because
they're I say they're recent. They probably are not that recent,
they're more recent to me.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
And then, you know, I love a lot of comic
book stuff that I've never actually read the comic for,
like Read. I love the movie Read, which is about
a bunch of Richard.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
All Right retired Secret Service or CIA or KGB and
all this kind of stuff who are all retired who
kind of kind of still are all badasses even though
they aren't active in service anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, so I should be like there are so many
times I'm like, oh, this is a comic book movie,
I'll probably like it, and then I have full intentions
of reading the comic, and I only do about half
the time. I have read Scott Pilgrim, and I did
read the first two television series worth of the comic
of Walking Dead, even though I knew that one was dark.
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Somehow easier to read than watch.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, I when I was a teenager, I read probably
the first dozen or maybe first twenty issues of Sandman
Neil Gaiman's Sandman comic, but fell off since then and
I haven't watched the the series yet. Justice League International
and Justice League Europe were titles I would read when
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I was over at a friend's house. He had all
those and I would just kind of flip through them
and read them. And those were weird because it was
an era of time where like these were both spin
offs of Justice League America right, and Justice League International
and Justice League Europe both had way more humor in
them than Justice League America did. In fact, Justice League
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International at some points was essentially a comedy comic book,
and I really those really appealed to me because I
liked the tone a lot. I liked how playful and
silly they were. I'm not sure how hardcore comic book
fans took it, but I thought they were really entertaining,
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and it was always hard for me to take comic
books really seriously, which I know is a very kind
of elitist, snobby way to look at it, but you
have to remember, like when I was young, I went
straight from reading children like literally children's books books for
like while you're learning to read, to go straight to
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fantasy novels that were meant for younger audiences, things like
The Hobbit and the Tar and Wanderer series and myth
Adventures and Zanth Peers Anthony's novels, which have so many
problematic elements to them. But you know, I went straight
to reading those that like I did. The comic books
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didn't appeal to me because I liked the rich language
you would find in these fantasy novels, and I was
a fantasy kid. I was not a science fiction kid,
but I like the rich narratives of the fantasy novels
where you would imagine all the things, whereas comic books,
I felt like, well, you don't have to imagine anything.
All the pictures are there, and there's not the space
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to be as florid with your language. You could argue
that that actually makes it far more difficult because you
have less space to tell a story, so you need
to be very economical with your words. But it didn't
appeal to me the way fantasy novels did.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
So I think I'm in the same boat like comics,
even though I, like I said, I read them in
Disney Adventures. But they were definitely a as I grew up,
sort of a thing that I got into, even though
I liked the stories. Again because also I went from reading,
you know, kids books to reading books like The Hobbit
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or you know, The Rolling Stones by Heinlen or Time
for the Stars even and other fantasy and sci fi stuff.
You know, I'd go into the library and look for
Asimov stories, which, let me tell you, it was a
rude awakening when I learned that Hindline and Asimov we're
not all for kids, because they write some really good
young adult stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, but Hyland writes some really messed up stuff.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah, but I didn't know that. The two books that
I read of his, like my intro to him, I
was like, oh, those are lovely. They were both great stories.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
So what's what's funny is that Ariel and I Ariel
and I have appeared in a radio adaptation of one
of Hyland's works that is truly messed up. And uh,
and I feel complicit.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yes, yes, in fact, we performed it at his centennial.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think, I think you're right.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Weren't you there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Was that the one that was like in yeah, I
was saying Missouri, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Kansas City, Missouri is lovely. There's a train museum and
lots of pretty fountains. That's what I remember of it,
other than us performing there. No, I do like comics.
I just nowadays like a lot of my comic or
at least for a while, a lot of my comic
introduction was I have friends come visit us, because you know,
my house is at least used to be before the pandemic,
(25:56):
a revolving door. Friends. Uh, And they would bring, Oh,
I found this really cool comic, here's some issues of it,
and then you know, we'd all sit down and read
them throughout the week. So that's that's how I've stayed
up to date with comics a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
My interest in comics really got kind of like reignited
by the various comic book movies. I mean, I'm not
going to name them because the strike still on, but
like various movies would come out and I'd think, Huh,
I wonder if this story ever played out in the comics,
and if so, how is it different? And I would
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look into it, but not to the extent of actually
going and buying comics. I did. At one point Amazon
had a thing where they were not Amazon, but like
there was like a comic book app and it had
this thing where that was like Free Comic Book Day,
and I just ended up getting like thirty or forty
different comic books for free. I have not read through
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all of them, but I remember I did get a
ton of Black Panther comics and started reading those, and
those were quite quite entertaining. Also, Moonnight, I read some
Moonnight comics and those were really good too.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah. I will say like I'm more likely to sit
down with a comic book now. I haven't read. I've
been reading like I've been trying to get through The
Talisman and the Color of Magic for the last seven years,
just because I do so much editing and I do
so much script reading that a comic book is a
lot easier for me to digest. I still love reading,
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but it's just finding the time to when I sit
down with a book, I need time to invest in
it and sit and really get involved in the story.
If I can only read a couple pages, it's not
going to grip me. I'm not going to like reading
two pages of a book is not rewarding to me,
and I'm not going to go back to it. So
I just I really need the time. A comic book
is a lot easier to read a couple pages and
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then pick up again later.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yeah that's true. And you know, again, like my snobby
attitude aside, I don't think that comic books are a
lesser form of art. I do think it takes a
great deal of skill to write and to illustrate comic books,
and that you can have really gripping stories. It's clear
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that you can have gripping stories because there are storylines
that people still talk about years after the comic came out,
and whether for good or ill right, whether or not
people look back on that and say, wow, that was
really a turning point or gosh, it really went downhill
because of this. But you know, you can't really have
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those discussions unless the actual material has an impact in
the first place, and clearly it does. I mean the
fact that every other movie that comes out now is
somehow related to comic books tells you that it has
that impact. It's just that again, I was just never
like the collector type, but I could appreciate it, but
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it just I guess it was one of those things
where I wanted to save my allowance money for other stuff.
I mean, it's funny. Like the way I even got
started with Howard Duck is because I was at a
science fiction convention. They had a lip sync competition which
I entered with my dad, and we did a lip
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sync routine to a song by Ray Stevens and we
won first place, which was a like a one hundred
dollars gift certificate to a local comic book shop. And
this was not in the city that we lived in.
So I was like, well, I guess we're going tomorrow
because we leave at the end of the day, so
we need to go and do this, and and I
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didn't know what to buy. So the comic book shop
they had like some computer games, like it was the
old old days of computer games where you would find
them in things like hobby stores. So I bought a
few computer games that were mostly garbage, and then I
still had money. So I was like, I guess, I
guess I'll get some comics. And I found Howard the
Duck and I started picking those out and the guy
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was like, oh man, I put those in the wrong
ben those are supposed to be you know, you know,
five dollars or something like they were in the normal
like seventy five cents or whatever. So oh, that's okay,
you can charge the He's like, no, no, no, you
found them in that one, I'll charge you that. I'm like, no,
I'm trying to get rid of money.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
That's awesome. You're you're the best customer, you know. I
hope this doesn't diminish our geek cred with our listeners.
I am really interested for everybody who listens to this
episode to pop in Discord or email us or whatever
your favorite. And this isn't me wrapping up, because I
do want to ask you about one more thing not
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comic related, Jonathan sure, end, but I am really interested
for any listeners out there to tell us what comics
you like, you know, and if they aren't all the
ones that you do like. So if they are Marvel
or DC regular material, that's great, but if they're different
or something new or unique. That's super awesome too, because
you know, I love adding things to my list for
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when I eventually do read.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I think there might be a
couple of other, like like independent comics that I read
over time, like I want to say, I had The
Max for a while, and some other stuff that's along
those lines. But I really I really dig the whole
underground comic book scene too, because obviously, like you have
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the the big gatekeeper companies of like Marvel and DC,
but there's a lot more that's out there too.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, there's some comic that's like The Lumber James, which
I think is a like a more indie sort of
a comic about girls at a Scout camp that fight
supernatural creatures and it's kind of very literary based from
my understanding, that like is high on my list to read.
(31:52):
So okay, So the last thing I wanted to ask
you about was MIAW Wolf if you want to share.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Oh yeah, yeah. So one of the things I did
in Las Vegas before I came down with COVID, and
I will not go into how I feel about that,
is I went to the Meowolf installation Omega mart In
Las Vegas and Ariel, you've done this one too, right, Yes.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's the only Mao Wolf installation I've done, which is
why I keep calling it Meowolf instead of a Mega
Mart is because my brain it's interchangeable. It's the only
one I've done.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, So Meowolf is an artist collective. If you're not
familiar with them, you should totally look them up because
they do some really creative, funky stuff and they've done
a lot of work in immersive art where you, as
a participant, become part of the whole art experience. And
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so the Omega Mart experience in Las Vegas is presented
as the front end is an odd and very odd
little grocery store, and if you start looking at any
of the products, you're like, wow, these things are weird.
It is a wackadoodle grocery store selling all sorts of
strange products. And if you pay attention, you'll see like,
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there are TVs inside the grocery store that are running
video loops, and some of them are a little like
almost like Lovecraftian in how strange they are. And if
you explore, you can discover that there are various pathways
that lead you to the back of the store. Some
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of them lead you into an employee's only kind of area,
like in a break room and stuff. Other areas will
be like a set up like a little desert community,
and there's one that's set up like a big factory
floor and offices connected to the factory, and you start
to uncover a weird, somewhat supernatural mystery that is related
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to the family that runs the grocery store that owns
like this chain of grocery stores, and there's all sorts
of components to it, like there's a mystical power. There's
a child who appears to have been at least partly
the product of this mystical power, interacting with a woman
and making her pregnant. There's the fact that that woman
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has an incredibly ambitious desire to lead the company, like
to the point where she comes across as like almost
like a cartoonish villain in some of the parts. But
the story is told through all these different disparate elements
throughout the entirety of the installation, and you get out
of it what you put into it. So you've got
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to spend a whole lot of time thumbing through documents
and watching little video clips and reading emails and even unlocking. Yeah,
you can get to a point where you're actually able
to access folders and files that previously have been locked
away from you, but you have to actually go through
the whole process to get to that point. And this
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is both good and bad. It's good in that it's
incredibly engrossing and it's really interesting. It's bad for two reasons. One,
it takes a very long time to go through if
you don't know what you're doing right because you're exploring,
you don't know to go, Oh, I need to go
here to do this one thing, and then that's going
to progress me further in the story. And related to
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that is if it's busy. The other part of the
problem is that if it's busy, then you have a
you can feel pressure to have to move on so
that someone else can at least get some of the
experience of doing whatever it was you were doing at
that moment, which means you're not going to get all
the information you need to move the story forward.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Yeah, yeah, they do. I right into the issue and
it wasn't super busy when I went because I went
in twenty twenty one. Because I was there My husband
was traveling for work and I went with him and
we were all masked and vaccinated and all that. But
it wasn't very busy, thankfully at the time. But we
still had to wait because there were certain things that
were like very popular and just took a while to
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go through and everybody wanted to do them. Did you
get to the part where there were a bunch of
mailboxes with letters in them? Yes, okay, because there was
one letter. I took a picture of it because I
was like, this person has got to write to welcome
for Nightvale. Got to write for welcome to night Vale.
When they were talking about under Mallers.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
I don't know that I saw that one, but I
know we did go through like a lot of letters
in those mailboxes, but I don't remember under Mallers.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Okay, I want to read it because you'll abuse if
you're worried about Meowolf spoilers, tune out for like the
next seventy five seconds. It says, do you hear Dwellers?
At approximately midnight on ar third, a group of young
people who called themselves under Mallers descended on our peaceful
village to commit an illegal act of graffiti. On our
treasured town Library. Phrases such as we love books and
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the libraries a treasured community asset were crudely scrawled onto
the side of the building in garish neon spray paint.
Please join us this Saturday for a cleanup day. Maria's
Burrito Explosion will be providing breakfast, and please remember the
library is a dot dot dot treasured community asset, so
please consider donating to our fund drive and help us
keep our building clean and free from the whims of
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young people. That is just straight out of a Night
Veil episode.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yeah, no, it does sound a lot like Nivelle's approach,
especially to libraries, which are very dangerous places in the
world of Night Veil. We might have actually have seen that.
I don't remember. I didn't remember the under Mahler's term,
but I do remember because I want to say that
that was written by a woman character in the story
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who has like two or three letters, and she comes
across as a very very much a busy body who
is kind of enforcing her will on other members of
the community.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Yes, yes, they will. They do have people there, so
this is a lot of fun. And they've got one
in like Arizona, and one in Colorado, one in Great Vine, Texas.
I keep hoping for one in Atlanta, where Jonathan and
I are. But if you go, if you happen to
find yourself at one of these installations, know that there
are employees and workers there who if you ask them
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for help, they will give you hints. Because Tony and
I walked around for like an hour and weren't sure
what to do, and then as soon as we asked somebody,
they gave us a hint and we were able to follow.
But you kind of go in without any instructions, and yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I mean just exploring the grocery store part is pretty amusing.
But I mean that's like the very tip of the
iceberg as far as the content of the the installation goes.
And there are also different tiers of participation as well,
like you can add on like an employee, I cust
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identification card, which lets you interact with some of the
screens and stuff in a way that tracks your progress
as you go through, So it's not like you're having
to perform as a guest every single time. But it
is an ad all.
Speaker 1 (39:28):
I thought everybody got those.
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Not when I went. When I went if you if
you got the basic ticket entry I think they had
changed it not that long ago actually, but if you
get the basic ticket, it does not include the company card.
But I got the VIP tickets so that we would
because the basic tickets have a specific time tied to it,
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you need to be there at that time in order
to get entry into the installation. I got VIP which
didn't you had to what day, but you can go
at any time during the day. So I did that
and that came with the corporate card thing. But yeah, no,
they changed that, I want to say earlier this year
(40:14):
where it's an add on now, but yeah, it's it's
what lets you like when you interact with a computer terminal,
it will like you can you can actually essentially save
your progress and you can even do things like save
files to your little profile, which means that you could
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watch them elsewhere. You don't have to just sit at
the terminal, which is very helpful if you want to
make sure you're freeing the space up for someone else
to use. It is super neat, like there's very like
it's a very weird, very night veil slash lovecraft, and
it's in its tone like something is you can tell
immediately that things are off just from the grocery store part,
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but the further you get in, the more you like, Wow,
something's really messed up. It's got like extra terrestrial elements
to it. But the joy of discovery is a big,
big part of the appeal of the experience. So if
you're someone who like there's some elements of escape room
in it, although there's you can leave at any time,
so it's not really an a scape room, but there's
some elements of that. If you're into those kind of
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things and you know, sort of discovering through exploration and experimentation,
it's totally something to try.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Yeah. Yeah, And I will say like there were a
lot of well not a lot because it was increwded,
but there were kids there when I went, because I
think the experience is very well built. There are a
couple of things that I was like, oh, this would
be scary if a kid saw it, but not much
a lot of it. Like if you're a kid, you're
going to run around playing with the music stuff and
going downslides and touching walls, and if you're an adult
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then you might follow the story. So it's I feel
like it's got a wide age range that can appreciate
it too.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Maybe not as wide now because at least when we
were there, the slides were all blocked off.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Oh no, that's the saddest.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
Yeah, you could, you can totally. I mean they were
all still there, but they didn't. You couldn't access them,
and so I was like, wow, I wonder what happened.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Sad. Maybe maybe somebody vomited in one and they needed
to clean it up. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Did you Did you do anything else in the area
fifteen complex besides the Omega Mart.
Speaker 1 (42:28):
We walked around. There was like a fun game store
with like a Zoltan kind of a thing in it.
We looked at the cool art. There's a bunch of
really cool sculptures outside and took pictures of that. I
didn't do like the Burly Show. I didn't do the
movie experiences there, and I didn't eat there, but wandered
(42:51):
around and enjoyed it. It's a really interesting area, for sure.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
We just ducked into the Omega Mart gifts store and
did a couple of We did some shopping for some
like souvenirs for friends and co workers and that kind
of thing, and then I was fading because you know,
Las Vegas is in the Pacific time zone and we're
in the Eastern time zone, and I was trying not
to get too adapted to Pacific time and it was
(43:17):
starting to get not not late there, but certainly late
by Eastern time standards, and I was like, I need
to go back and lay down. So we did not
explore very.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
Much, gotcha, I yeah, I. When I was there, you
just would actually pull stuff off of the shelves in
the Omega mart, like not everything was for sale, but
a lot of it was.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Yeah, they they the same thing was true when we
were there, Like you could buy like if you wanted
to get a box of cereal that had a very
weird name on it, you could.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
Totally do that, but does not contain spiders.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Right right. I can't remember all the names of all
the different products. I took tons of pictures of them,
and there were lots of funny ones. But yeah, I
loved the experience. But yeah, the gift shop is more
of your standard stuff like T shirts and hats and
that kind of thing, as opposed to the products that
you encounter in the grocery store, which you can't actually
(44:14):
buy if you really, if you want to like the
one of the one of the products I just pulled
it up on my phone is it looks like a
big bottle of laundry detergent and the brand name is
plausible deniability.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Yeah, there's something about Like there was the Spider cereal,
which I hated. There was something about I can't It
was like, I can't believe it's not butter cleaning spray
yes or something something to that effect. It wasn't quite
that and junk d or cereal and personalized bleach. You
could not buy the personalized bleach sadly because that's what
(44:50):
I would have wanted. But yeah, it's a lot of fun.
And thank you guys for listening to me talk about
Jonathan or talk with Jonathan out of Mega Mark, because
I wanted to hear about his experience and I hadn't
had a chance to chat with him yet. So you
guys just got to enjoy it with me. That is
(45:11):
all the time we have for today. That's all we've
got on our list to talk about. I think Jonathan
am I right?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (45:18):
Cool. We do have other topics that you guys have suggested,
but I think they will be a longer conversation that
we can get into in future episodes while we wait
for the second after strike to resolve. But in the meantime, yes,
please write us. We love hearing from you. How Jonathan,
(45:38):
how can they it's been a while, I almost forgot.
How can they do that?
Speaker 2 (45:42):
Well? The way you do it is you will go
out to the desert and you'll take off your shoes
and you'll walk as far as you can before the
sand start to burn at your feet. You will sink
to your knees, your head will bow. You will see
droplets of sweat fall before your eyes, hissing against the
(46:04):
sand and almost immediately evaporating. And when you turn your
eyes upward again, you'll see in front of you a
mysterious convenience store that has materialized out of the wastes
of the desert. You will go inside, and as you
walk down the aisle, you will see to your left
a row of cleaning spray called who told you this
(46:27):
was butter? And you will look behind them, and as
you clear the bottles, you'll see my disembodied head, and
I'll ask you what your question is?
Speaker 1 (46:37):
That is exceptionally frightening. Jonathan, Please don't lose your head,
uh one of Oh jeez? Oh wait what? Oh no,
it looks like it was attached to your body. You're
giving me like some severe Wizard of Oz sequel vibes.
I'm losing my mind a little bit. If you are
(46:58):
also frightened to sanity by Jonathan losing his head, you
can contact us other ways. That is Twitter, where llenc
Underscore podcast on Instagram, Facebook, and discord where a Large
ner Drunk Collider. Our website is www dot Larger Drunk
Collider dot com where I do post these episodes, but
(47:19):
we don't have a lot of show notes right now,
but there you can join the discord from our website.
Also if you want to email us Where a Large
neur Drum Pod at gmail dot com. I have a
blue Sky account now, but I still need to set
one up for a large neur drunk Collider when I
can for anybody who's there. And yeah, that's it, so.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Until next time I have been Jonathan, just call me
Princess Mombi Strickland.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Great, I love it and I am Ariel, Who, Where,
when and why cast it?
Speaker 2 (48:00):
The Large Nordron Collider was created by Ariel Caston and produced, edited, published, deleted, undeleted,
published again. Cursed at by Jonathan Strickland. Music by Kevin
McLeod of encomptech dot com
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