December 8, 2021 • 56 mins
Ben and Ashley break down every uncomfortable moment from the Men Tell All and we find why things got so heated between the guys!
Ben reveals a shocking revelation about Colton now that his Netflix documentary is out.
And we find out from an inside source what the new Bachelor Clayton Echard is REALLY like!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
with her Radio Everybody is another episode of the very
semi famous, the very exciting and the very lovely almost
same as podcast I and one of your hosts Ben,
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the semi famous podcast that is a really cool interpretation
of our name. I'm Ashley and this week we do
have your batch bracket rule of the week and there
is no rule this week because we're only down to
three people. So keep signing up, keep filling it out.
See if you win. We'd love to meet you. We
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have good turnout so far actually on this thing. Let's
keep it going. I would love to um. All right, well, Ben,
how how are you doing? This is like the first
host shot segment that like, I feel like we have
nothing to talk about? What do you mean? My life
super exciting? Actually, actually I have been going to bed
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with my wife at about seven forty five and the
PM because it gets dark, we've been turning on a
Christmas movie and for the last three nights. So one
of my favorite things, I'll tell you this, my favorite
things now in the world is when Jessica lays her
head on my chest as we watch a movie. So
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like we'll be laying there and she'll she'll just cuttle
up real close, put her head on my chest. The
only problem with that is it takes about twenty five
minutes at most for her to be doing the whole
like sleep wiggles, you know I'm talking about when they
like you fall asleep and you start like running in
your sleep. She does that. So about eight thirty she
falls asleep and about five ten she's wide away downstairs
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making coffee. God, that's horrible. Yeah, I'm not up at
that point. My my alarm doesn't go off for another
hour after that. But still, um, that's been our week.
Been a lot of Christmas movies, a lot of a
lot of great time with my wife back here in Denver. Uh.
We are back in the swing of things. She is
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giving as many facials and derma plains as she can,
and I am catching up on everything missed the last
few weeks. But Ashley big opening night for Audrey's Coffee Shop.
We did have a big week. I lied before when
I said we had nothing to talk about. Ben's even
been involved heavily this week in the opening of Audrey's
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Coffeehouse and Lounge. Our opening night. I didn't been do
a head count, but I would assume there have been
close to four people there. It was massive. It was
so thank you Bachelor Nation for coming out and droves.
That's amazing in the very support of Rhode Island community.
That was awesome. Ben said that he thought we had
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enough coffee for a while, but said that we flew
out of it given that we were only open for
like seven days and needed at a rush order. We
have been roasting an overnighting coffee now for the last
three days to this coffee shop, because you've sold out
about as much coffee as I expected to last few
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three weeks and so way, oh yeah, so you have
like really really started out on a good foot. I
mean I estimated this based on our Golden Coffee Shop,
which is a very great coffee shop here in Golden
that does really well. Uh, and you guys just dominated it.
So congrats in the opening. It has been a big week. Um,
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things will get smoother, uh and easier. But I know
from everything that I've read and heard that place is
really really cool. Thank you so much. You talk about
all your cozy Christmas Eve moments with your wife and
I'm jealous because I feel like where's my husband. I
feel like to stay at home wife right now because
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Jared is at the coffee shop a sixteen hours a day. Yeah,
and uh, we haven't had a lot of quality time lately,
which sucks, especially around this time of year where we
would definitely be doing the Christmas movie watching. But it's okay.
All will settle into place eventually. I'm thinking probably like
March or April. Yeah, yeah, hey, celebrate then. Well, everybody,
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this is mentel all week uh for the Bachelorette, and
this is Michelle's season of the Bachelorette. It was a
unique mentel all. There was a lot of drama, a
lot of fighting, a lot of just unexpected fan cameos
and things happening to spice up the mentel all. Uh.
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This is Caitlin and Tatia's second um hosting of am
I right, yeah, the second hosting of the Mental all
I thought they did great. Uh. Some of the big
storylines in this mentel all that will dive into is
is Tasia has to walk out of Mental all um
due to the conversation she was having about her breakup.
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We'll talk about that. We're also going to talk about
the drama amongst the men and then tease and talk
about what we think of the next season of The Bachelor,
which they confirmed I guess during this episode or I
don't know, but I think they confirmed it last week. Okay,
well they confirmed it last week. Clayton is the Bachelor
and uh, and they showed a sneak peek of his season,
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which was full of drama, as we had to expect.
It looks better than the teaser for this season and
looked it does. Um. I think I think that poor
Clayton guy is a nice guy. I think this thing
was probably very hard for him to navigate, which is
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not a criticism on Clayton as a human. I just
think that he's a nice guy who cared a lot
um and uh and probably walked into something that he
did not expect. You mean he he accidentally said I
love you to three people. Yeah. What a mistakes? What
a mistake, That's what I said. I I posted it
last night. I was like, you know what, I hope
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at some point everybody has during this holiday season a
moment to reflect on my season of the Bachelor and go,
you know what, we gave that bing guy a hard
time and he deserves an apology. I know. Oh the
things that have happened since to think that that was dramatic, right,
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Oh my goodness. Well, time moves on. Well, hey, let's
take a break here. Actually, when we come back, we
are going to do the mente All breakdown and also
hot topics of this week within Bachelor Nation, Caitlyn and
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Tatious start out Mental All. They are still the host
and mentors. Live shows are all ease A big deal.
I think for me to watch them as host because
I can be easy and it's totally different than you know,
hosting the show where it's like little cameos and conversations.
I thought they did great. Yeah, I thought they did
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really well. It's so much harder than doing the little
like hi guys. So today Michelle wanted you to know,
you know, conducting a live show in front of a
studio audience is pretty it is pretty crazy. They did.
They did do a great job, just reiterating how we
feel about those ladies. I will say, though, different than
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mental Alls of the past where they really let these
guys go at it. And in fact, if you noticed
watching it, there was moments where Calin and Tasia rolled
their eyes and said oh geez, when somebody would speak
up too often or they kind of like let these
things go on longer than we've seen in the past. Okay,
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I can I vibe you on that, not that not
that that's bad. It's just like it's just what it
is kind of their style. And I mean as a viewer, ash,
I don't fully dislike it because I want to see
what's going on. Yeah, yeah, I want them to be
kind of like fans. So I actually thought the first
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half of Mental All was a lot stronger than the
second half when I think about the memorable moments. Oddly, um,
it was between characters that probably weren't there very long
for me, my standout moments and maybe like because it's
it's Mental All and there there's like a lot of
filler content in it. Do you want to just kind
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of go through the episode like with what stood out
to you and we stood out to me? Yeah, well,
I do agree with you. I thought Romeo stood out
to me. Uh, and Romeo I've always been a fan of.
I thought he, you know, he's very intelligent obviously with
his pedigree and education in and kind of what he
does for a living. I also just thought he seemed
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very comfortable during his time in the Bachelor. I thought
he was released very early. I don't know why. Um.
He kind of reminds me of the John Hersey's I
think that's his name. Where who's with? Whoever's with? Um? Katie? Now? Uh,
you know, I was a big fan of John and
then he got let go and I still have the Instagram.
Oh my gosh, Ben, it's all coming back to me now.
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Remember it's all coming back. You were a huge fan
of John. It was like your dark hor Yeah, he
was my dark horse. I knew it. I do. People
just need to listen to me more, Ashley. That's the thing,
is I just I I predicted it. I still have
the Instagram message where he said, hey, I heard you
spoke nicely of me, thanks for that. Like I did,
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I thought he I thought he had a lot going
for him. And then look at it now, so and
I thought they looked good together. Yeah, I know, how funny. Okay.
So Romeo was a stand out to you. His hair
was a stand out to me. I did not like
the new do. Maybe that's going to be a trend.
I mean maybe just maybe that comes like we'll see
it spread across the country because of this year's you know,
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season of The Bachelor at But anyways, okay, so back
to a big moment that first stood out to me.
Uh was obviously the Will in Peter drama Will call
him Peter a narcissa wild That was the best part
of the whole episode. I mean, so contentious and so dramatic. So, Ashley,
I want to hear from you as you watch this
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on television, what is going through your mind as these
two people two seats from each other, are just going
back and forth. Well, okay, so Will says that Peter
should have gone on to Shark Tank if he was
wanting to promote a business, and it all stems from
that drama they had about it was Will calling Peter
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a narcissist, right, yeah, and then remember Peter ended up
throwing the top gun jacket into the pool. It was
all crazy and overdone. But now we see that Will,
it's so obviously writing horrible reviews about Peter's pizza place
online and now, as like a cafe owner, I know
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how absolutely detrimental that is and I have so much
and like, this is so not cool, dude, you can't
do this. Um, so I was definitely team Peter and
all of it, and uh, yeah, I don't. I don't know,
well it is it's it's super detrimental to a business.
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I you just really have to dislike somebody and want
to see somebody like fail to do like that. Like
there there have been people in my life that I
am not fans of that. I I just don't get
along with it. I don't see eye to eye with that.
Maybe we've had to that well, just when it come
to mind, like like the idea that you would take
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action to then go out and hurt that person is
is very odd to me. Now, I don't think Peter
handles himself well on the show or even on mente all.
I thought, Uh, he was very confrontational. I felt like
the men there still don't really like him. Uh that
he was probably pretty annoying, But it doesn't take away
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from the fact that Will went out of his way
to leave the leave these reviews. And I just can't
get behind that. Like I can't say that was a
funny thing or a good thing. It was. It was
honestly a little disturbing. Yeah, yeah, it was like evil. Yeah,
the bad sould So that starts out there drama. It
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moves into that just a note before we get too
far along to where some guy, which I thought was
one of the weird parts of this show, comes out
and and serves will Um for defamation. UM. But I'm like, dude,
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do you know that you have now put yourself in
the public figure realm you cannot sue for defamation at
this point. Oh no, it's just like it's it's pretty
much impossible. You're never gonna win it. Um. And but
it was odd to me. So this happens, right, and
I'm like, is this real? Is this not real? Probably
not real? But then Peter goes, this is just a
taste that will what will happen on in real life,
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and I was like, Okay, this isn't real. Like Peter
said that line, I was like, oh, this is all fake,
Like super odd, super weird to have happened, but like
still spice things up, and that heightened the drama a
little bit more. UM. So okay, moving into the next
big dramatic thing for me, you might have something different,
But I'll stop here and say Ryan's little segment, uh,
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for his very short time on this show, um mental
all really highlighted Ryan and his his moment of celebrity
by pretty much tanking himself with a playbook for how
to be on The Bachelor at this This segment went
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on for a long time. I was surprised by it.
I still don't think it was the biggest deal ever.
And they also were trying to villainize him by saying
that his dream girls didn't look like Michelle and insinuating that, like,
he wouldn't be into a girl like Michelle. But like,
just because your celebrity crushes don't look like the person
you're dating doesn't mean that you're not attracted to them. Again,
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he did a terrible job of explaining himself. He definitely
went with the whole like I'm just gonna throw apologies
out here to see if it sticks. Uh it didn't.
I don't you know. I don't think he was meant
to be with Michelle. I don't think his exit on
night one was a loss to the show or a
loss for Michelle. But but but they really highlighted it,
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and uh, and they really made it a thing. Part
Deep even goes at Ryan during this whole thing, like
Part Deep steps up and just pretty much says that
Ryan has no integrity. Uh, I don't know if that's you,
and I don't know Ryan at all, but I was
shocked to see that coming from part deep. That's like
a bold thing to say for somebody who's only known
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a person for a matter of hours on Night one.
Very bold. Yeah, what sit out to you? Then there's
so many guys that I did not know their names
sitting up there. Yeah. I mean, have you ever like
seen to tell all where you forgot so many of
the men? No, and I wonder why. I wonder if
that's just because of the But I can't even blame
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it on that, because like tastious season, we knew a
lot of the guys sitting out there, right, we had
memories of them. Um. I wonder if it wasn't ademic
thing it wasn't. Yeah, I don't know why the cast
that was not like the final three or four really
five did not stand out to us. Yeah, it's very weird.
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I will say that watching Clayton's preview, seeing them back
at the mansion and seeing them traveling to places again
was refreshing. I didn't realize how much I missed it
and maybe how much it contributes to the show. No,
I agree with that now, and I miss the mansion.
I miss having the familiarity of seeing them in the
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hot tub or in the pool or you know, and
in the sitting areas, even the rose ceremony room. Uh,
that's gonna be fun to go back to and to
see them within it. It's gonna be uh kind of flat.
I mean, for as many changes that have happened in
the last year and a half to this show, it's
gonna be a little bit of familiarity that I think
many viewers are wanting and probably needing if they're going
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to continue to be huge supporters of the show, and
you know, we hope they are. But I'll move us
through this then. Actually, the next big standout moment is Martin.
We see Martin again. Martin had a terrible exit. I'll
awful exit. Yeah, really bad he does. He does nothing
to redeem himself here for me. I know, he apologizes,
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but he just he's appologized and just what he's got
to do, and I just get like weird vibes from him.
It does feel like this season had a lot of
people that we had like odd encounters with, like more
villains per se, maybe not standout villains. Like, I don't
know if any of these people are going to be
like guys that made you feel weird, like you did
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not want to be friends with them, You didn't want
to be around them, Like Jamie, like I like resent
him through the TV, Like I don't want to be
near him. He makes me nervous. Yeah, he had you
had like a reaction to him. Well, it doesn't stop
thing because right after Martin, uh, we have Chris. So
like right away we have a bunch of confrontations. Now again,
I want to highlight this. This doesn't always happen on
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the mental but we had a confrontation again amongst Peter
and Will. Then we move into Ryan and everybody confronts Ryan,
and then everybody moves into Martin and confronting my Martin,
and then we get to Chris, which felt like Alice
side of Jamie. We'll get to Jamie a second. Chris
had the most angst within the house. People were very
upset with Chris, and he definitely didn't do anything to
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redeem himself here. This was a complete even backtracked here
calling a lou out um, I mean highlighting the fact
that he had a low I q uh a Lou
stands up and says, hey, I'm black excellence. I've got
a master's degree. Like really puts Chris in his place.
But another confrontation. We're starting up with five confrontations during
mental all and Rick, who probably is the guy who,
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like we trust most in the house that was up
there on that stage, besides maybe Rodney. He said that
he was roommates with him and still doesn't believe him.
He said that outrageous thing. Remember he was like, I've
been some sexual induenda with hotter girls, and I'm like, okay,
first off, I don't even know that there are hotter
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girls in existence the Michelle, So I really don't like you. Now,
what a weird thing to say to like even you know,
people can blame it on locker room talk or whatever,
but like, at any point if any guys like I
hooked up with hot a girls and the girl I'm
with reight, like, that's just a weird thing to say,
like and have your mindset around and a weird place
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to put yourself within. Um, if that's true, again, it's
good that Chris went home. Now I'm you know, this
is the whole thing got weird to me because you're right.
Maybe that's why this episode felt so heavy at times,
because there were so many interactions with people and so
little um even desire, and they don't even ask for forgiveness.
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They just apologize, like, hey, I'm sorry that I hurt
everybody in this room. It's like, well, okay, but like
you're not still taking accountability. And that moses into Jamie
because Jamie, in my opinion, took no accountability in fact.
And I know people on here are gonna get upset
with me and know they're gonna get fired up. And
I've been very good about this for a long time.
But Jamie described himself multiple time during this episode saying,
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you know, I'm the type of guy that likes to
be a coach too and an encourage your too. I'm
the type of guy that that wants honesty. I'm telling you.
That is so Jamie. Though, like Jamie radiate self describing
in that way, Oh, it's so repulsive, and so I
hope people hear it and go, hey, when somebody does this,
when they tell you they're a nice person, it should
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raise a little red flag. I'm not saying the biggest
red flag, but when somebody says I don't. I'm the
type of person that likes to encourage others. Okay, cool, Like,
good for you show me because I haven't seen it yet, like,
and Michelle calls him Adam. I thought Michelle did a
great job as saying, Jamie, it's nice that you're sitting
up there apologizing. It's nicier up there telling me how
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great I am. But you did none of that actionably
when it mattered. You're just doing it now because you
feel forced to. That was her exact words. I'm not
saying that any of these people should be punished. I'm
just saying they should be called out. You. You should
be called out when your actions don't meet your words,
and you should try to adjust a little bit to
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helping your actions match your words. If you're gonna say
you're a nice guy who likes to be an encourage her,
you better do it. Yeah, And he was like, you know,
I know I didn't say that I was the one
that brought it up, but you know, I thought I
might do that. I may face up to it, but
then it just like, I guess I just didn't it.
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So the first part of this whole episode is confrontations.
It's drama, probably more confrontations and drama than we've seen
in a long time. I can't remember the last time
this type of thing happened on a live show. But
you know what that being said, did we really care
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about seeing all of this? Because I remember when the
tell all what happened, and I would be like, Oh
my god, so and so is gonna have to sit
close to so into and they're going to have to
face that. Like you know, people made a big deal
when I was going to have to confront Kelsey or
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like when on your season the Twins and Olivia, like
there were things that felt like so unresolved. There was
there was nothing about this tell all what I was like,
Oh my gosh, I'm scared for I'm scared for so
and so. No, maybe, I mean I wonderfully I would say, maybe, Jamie,
I would wonder if a little bit that comes to
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Ashley from your investment and our investment into Michelle and
her love story, because so much of this season has
been us talking about, you know, the guys at the
end and the guys that she matches with that the
drama just feels like it a little bit takes away
from that, and so it hasn't been something we've gotten
super into. There hasn't been cliffhanger storylines necessarily on an
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episode that we're like, oh, I can't wait till next
week to see how this plays out. They're mostly just
stupid arguments for people being stupid. You know what that's
that raises a good point normally, you know, for the
past i'd say like five years, there's been non complete
episodes where like, we don't end after a roast, but
almost all of these episodes have ended after a ROAs ceremony.
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And now I missed the other way. No, I don't
like you don't you like the conclusion? Yeah, I don't
like to be thinking about it all week. I want
to just close. I want to close close the laptop
after I get sent the screener and say I'm done. Um,
but that's just me. Well, next big moment after the
commercial break, we come into Caitlin asking Tasia while why
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she's not wearing her engagement ring. It's a big moment
in the episode, especially for a host to kind of
have to be put on the hot seat as so,
what do you think? I thought it was really awkward?
Yeah I didn't. I didn't like I did not like
the way it was done. I know that they wanted
it to be addressed, and that's totally I mean, I
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don't know if that's cool. I mean, if it was
cool with Tasha, then it's cool with me. But I
just thought it was weird to just be like, oh, hey, friends,
I noticed your rings that on. Maybe we should address
this now in the middle of the episode. I felt
like it could have been placed somewhere else. Uh, I
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don't know, how how did you feel about it? I
just thought was awkward. I mean not that it's going
to be like not awkward, but well, just from a
flow standpoint, it was weird because all the drama was done.
You know, they're getting ready to bring Rodney on the stage,
and so you know, best case scenario is Tashia gets
confronted on this, she explains herself, and then she puts
a smile on her face. In her views Rodney, that's impossible.
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She just got of a relationship probably, I mean a
week or two before this episode, and so had it
was just hard. She apparently filmed this at episode the
day of or the day after the breakup was announced,
so it's been within the past two weeks. Yes, so,
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I mean, just from a flow perspective, it felt oddly placed.
I thought it could be done. It's very end at
the very beginning, but right in the middle, like right
before they bring good old Rodney up to talk see exactly. Actually,
I think it would have been okay at the end
because it was like, okay, well, we're going to continue
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to watch Michelle's love story. Um, but Tassia, we have
a little bit of an update on what has happened,
um with yours. So that happens, Roddy comes up on stage.
Tassia then walks off this stage. I'm sure to take
a breather, um, just to refocus. Uh you know, I
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mean I think it was it was just probably needed.
But Rodney comes up. It looks a little bit like
almost stagey, but sure it wasn't. Um. I bet you
she was sitting there for a second and trying to
compose herself, blink back the tears, you know, try to
console that lump in her throat, and she probably was like,
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I can't do it, and it's going to be really
awkward if I'm sitting here and I start crying in
front of him about what's going through my brain in
my heart, so you know that I think that she
probably just said okay in her head, like let me
just walk off for a second. Yeah, it makes sense.
I agree, it did, look and I mean probably because
so much of this episode, like they had the streaker, uh,
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they had the guy um serving will um. They there
is something else that happened during this episode I forget
at this point. So much of it kind of felt
like these are weird things that happen on a mentel
all that's supposed to be live that this was like
it kind of fell into that category of the one
off weird thing. But I'm sure it was just Tasha
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needing a break and saying, but yeah, it's just with
this and within this episode of Fellow Weird. But anyways,
Rodney gets on stage. Uh, nothing made you here, in
my opinion, other than just finding out that Rodney is
still a good dude and their relationship move really slow,
and that it didn't make sense long term for them
to stay together. Caitlin does say that maybe she'll find
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love on the beaches of Mexico, and I have to say,
if there's one guy in this group that I feel
like we're definitely going to see as a routable, more
romantic character in Paradise. It would be Rodney. Another shoeing
for Paradise, I would say would be Peter. Yeah, yeah,
I would say that too. Rodney. Rodney is a routable character.
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I'm excited to see him in Paris. I think he'll
do great in Paradise. He's he reminds me of a
lot of the guys who have done really well there
and met the loves of their lives. They're just a
nice guy looking for love, honest, um and uh, and
just a kind human that you feel like you want
to be around. Well, this brings us into a little
break where we officially get to dive into Clayton's season
(28:04):
of the Bachelor. The guys start talking about Clayton because
he is not there. Um, we get to find out
a little bit more about how they feel about Clayton.
Feels like they all really like him, that they think
he's going to do great. Um, let's just go then
and talk. Since we're talking about Clayton, talk about his
preview Ashley. The preview that was aired seems dramatic, seems intense. Um,
(28:29):
not what I expected, but I want to hear your
thoughts before I share mine. I don't know whether I
should say this or not, but there was a girl,
but I'm gonna say it anyway. At the opening of
Audrey Is, there was a girl that in attendance who
was on Clayton's season, and she texted me yesterday during
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the the airing of this preview and she was like,
oh my gosh, preview just aired. It feels really intense. Uh.
One of my friends is heavily involved in the preview
and she's like, it's just it's just so crazy. And
I'm like watching this and I'm like, actually, it looks good. Um,
(29:12):
does it look like inten more intense than another Bachelor season?
I'm not sure. I think there's so much focus though
on that top three. We don't we don't have any
other vibes as like how it's going to be throughout
as you weep through the girls. I was surprised that
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he admits openly that he was intimate with more than
one person. Okay, okay, so that's been You're really on
top of things today. I have pregnancy brain. Wow. That
was interesting because the only reasoning as to why I
would think he would say that in that moment would
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be if he lied to one of them or lied
to both. I'm previously and said I didn't with the
other person, because isn't it usually kind of assumed that
it that that there's a strong possibility at the top
two or whatever that might be that after fantasy suites
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that has been done. Do you do you know what
I mean? I thinks I think that's the assumption, and
I think, like, usually it's not. I think that usually
the lead doesn't end up sleeping with like all three
in the fantasy suite, but those are things that are
addressed later on in private or it's like, oh, by
the way, I didn't. Why does he feel the need
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to tell both of them at that moment. Well, I
think it's the assumption. I also think people don't talk
about it because it brings up something. I mean, if
you're the lead, you signed up for everything to be
aired out on the table, everything to be seen and
known about you. If you're contestant, you've SIMI done that.
You don't expect uh, I mean Nick Vile was famous
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for this back in the day with Andy, But like,
you just don't expect it to be talked about unless
you both agree upon it because maybe you don't want
the whole world knowing what happened in the fantasy suite,
so it's assumed by the audience, it's probably assumed by
the cast members. But I agree with you that the
conversation typically happens in private if you did, because it's
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just healthier and you've probably not had the opportunity to
go up to that person be like, hey, are you
okay if I talk about the fact that we were
intimate in the fantasy suite? Like, I just feel like,
if you haven't had that conversation, it's not exactly wise
to just throw it out there. But there has to
be a reason why he's throwing out there. Either he
feels like he has to, he feels he feels guilty,
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like something happens that though I'm not saying it's definitely
not excuse what would be. You only can say that
kind of stuff publicly if you believe it's wise and
healthy for every party involved, And unless like guilt or
whatever is not the reason to do that, you have
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to say no, I'm I'll wait and have this conversation afterwards. Um.
But I'm so bizarre that he wouldn't even pull them
each aside and been like, Hey, I have to tell
you something. It's so weird there in front of the
two of them, so they could just look at each
other and be like, uh, this is weird. Well, hey,
we don't know a lot about Clayton. We don't know
about a lot about his season, but we do know
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somebody who It's been a while since she came on
the podcast. She is the founder of this podcast, the
executive producer of the podcast. She has met Clayton very
recently at a Nightheart event. She's been able to spend
time with him, and she's coming on the podcast right
now to tell us her thoughts on our new bachelor, Clayton. Okay,
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we have Amy Sugarman, our producer, on the line, and
she hung out with Clayton for apparently an extended period
of time at l A's Kiss FM jingle Ball. Amy. Hi, guys,
welcome back to the podcast. It's been way too long.
I'm always watching and listening, but welcome back to your podcast.
(33:18):
First of all, I have to tell you Ashley, Oh
my god. So last night I was in the bathtub,
which is like you know what I do. So I
had my phone and I'm going through my Instagram. Oh
my god. First of all, I feel horrible for you
because I knew it was bad. But your Instagram where
you showed all the pictures and video of you, Oh
(33:40):
my god, I mean I love the Instagram. So for
everyone listening, so Ashley showed all these like beautiful models pregnant,
like just living their best lives, like pregnancy is just
a joy, and like they had blowouts and makeup and
perfect outfit, and then it's just Ashley barking looking horrendous,
(34:04):
like in pain, doubled over, laughing like laughing, going okay,
which I don't know if that's a good or bad thing,
ash But I'm sorry. I did bring me joy. Know
it brought me joy too. Honestly, I watched it. I
watched it, of course, and many times when I was
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creating it, But then even yesterday, well reading comments, I
would find myself going back to rewatch it because like
people liked it. I was like, you see, I think,
why do they love it? I watched it eight times.
I was again, oh my gosh, there really was more
(34:47):
gnarly things that I could have included. But like I
texted you, guys, I had a more extended like throw
up clip. I did not ever show any vomit, like
you don't see anything combing out of my mouth, but
like you can see you can see like I'm actually
like you looked heathen. You know what I mean? Yes,
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thank you for your honestly see A mean, this is
what I wanted to hear you like I want to.
I want to hear people say you look you're worse,
because like that is honesty, and that is what I
say about myself. I don't need pleasant tries. It does
not make me feel better. It makes me feel like
you're lying to by first about you're very pretty actually
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but you look beyond and number two like I've had
sleepovers with you, so I know that even when you
wake up you look pretty. So like you look so bad,
like i'd say, you're still glowing. I'm just gonna keep
on that she's still glowing in my opinion, because you're
so funny, Amy Ben, you are very funny as well
(35:51):
for saying that. So anyway, yeah, okay, So what I
was saying was on TikTok when I had just a
tiny bit more of the barf bag scene, they flagged
it for graphic slash violent content. So when I put
it on Instagram, I was like, Okay, um, I guess
(36:12):
I will just edit a little bit. There's like fudget
a bit so that nobody has to actually see the
hurl anyway. Anyway, so sorry we got distracted, Yes we did.
I'll tell you guys what happened. And it was pretty rad.
So Michelle Young, who I really liked when I met
her in person, that was my first time meeting her
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in person, was coming into jingle Ball. So at the
last second they emailed us and said, hey, would you
guys want Clayton to cup And obviously my response was like, um,
hell yes. So he wasn't allowed to do any interviews,
but he could come and like take photos because I think,
you know it's too early, He's not The show doesn't
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from me until January three. Are you sure that they're
just not scared that we're going to be further convinced
he has no person? Because here's what I'll tell you.
So I was a full masayer, like I was like,
I don't know about this. I met him. So he
walked up and like he was so charming, and first
of all, he still had to have a mask on
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and like so I couldn't even see his face yet,
and he was so charming, charming in the eyes. Here's
what he reminds me of Chris Souls meets Ben Higgins.
So he sort of has like the body type of Chris.
It's awesome. Like I'm telling you, guys, I was not
(37:37):
sold and now I'm like DVR set so yes, second
of all, he was We had all these protocols where
you have to be like tested and vaccinated all these things,
so he was allowed to take his mask off. So
then I saw the dreamy a smile, excellent teeth, Like
I'm telling you guys, the teeth and the smile was
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it was just like sparkling, good personality. Like I only
got to talk to him for maybe, like I don't know,
it's probably ten minutes. But here's what I thought was
super interesting. And I was not being flirty because I'm
a hundred years older than him, but I remember touching him,
like I gave him like the pat on the arm
and like touched his like upper arm and lower arm,
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which I'm like, why am I doing that? And it's
because he's so cool and charming. M hm, You've never
touched my arm yes, I'm sure I have. But he
has the personality of Ben Higgins the body type that's
that's very strong statement. No, he has the body type
(38:42):
of crystal thinner, but like very tall, like very good
west Burly, carries trees, strong like yes, like that guy
is gonna be on the lift up every single one
of those girls with one strong like Lumberjack, strong like
Mark Wahlberg, but tall. So so we should get behind
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this now. I mean, we've never been a Clayton Hayter.
We just have been confused or like a little bit
off on how this was such an easy choice. I'm
telling you, guys, I was not. I was like, I
don't know, so like I'm not saying I was, Yeah,
this is the guy I was very I don't know,
And now I have totally done a one eight. I'm like,
(39:28):
this guy is the old school Bachelor that I loved,
Like reminds me of the ones like Bradwallmac Yes, but
better crystals like crystals meets Ben Higgins. Not as funny
as well, So I'm not gonna say well like not
ha ha, hilarious, charming like Ben kind there for the
(39:53):
right reasons. Dare I say so? Then I said, so,
I have heard that the season is very good, but
some as I hear that and I don't know if
it's actually true or if somebody's trying to trick me.
So we get excited. So I said, I heard the
season's really good, and he goes for me or for television,
and I was like, oh, that's that's promising for all
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of them. So I felt, so here's what I'll say.
I'm going to watch, and i'd oh, my goodness, well
this changes things. We can usually trust Amy Sugarman on
her opinion because she gets a lot of inside scoop.
She gets to meet a lot of these people, so
we can usually trust her. There's never been a bachelor
(40:36):
I haven't met. Really, I've met every single bachelor from
the seventeen hundreds till now. And this guy definitely has
that thing. When he walks in the room, You're like, oh,
like very celebrity like star. You know they say like
they suck the air out of the room. Well, of
course I was outside with like eighteen mass on, but
(40:58):
at the same time, I was like, yeah, this guy's
got it. He had a twinkle in his eye and
his smile was so dreamy. Great smile. Well, here's what
I'm concerned about, because if you've met every bachelor since
and I'm the only one you've ever given a job,
I'm nervous that my job maybe up as of next year,
(41:20):
never never been. You can just like, actually have some babies, puppies,
please have kids at the same time. Well, actually, don't
do that. I don't know how we expedite this process. Amy,
thanks for coming on the almost famous podcast U which
(41:42):
really missing or texture. Okay, all right, well let's wrap
up in the last part of the tell All, which
is when Michelle arrives. She does her pleasantries with Rodney
and with Wreck and you know, just you guys are great,
like hope the best for you. The one she really
(42:05):
couldn't get behind was Jamie. She like she was like, no,
not letting Jamie get away with this. Um, it's just yeah.
She put her foot down. She said, no, this isn't okay.
Like you know, as we're talked about earlier that the
explaining part was really what shid, No, this is this
is not happening. We do have to because I know
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we're closing up this segment. We do have a couple
just final notes here. Um, one. We do see the
sneak peak for the rest of the season. Uh, nothing
shocking there. The shocking part of the episode, the weird
maybe the weirdest part of the episode when I'm happy
about is Peter brings out pizza for everybody in the
cast and for the host and Michelle, who you know,
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just as you said, Michelle was absolutely awesome during this
whole episode. She was just their first short period of time,
but she looked beautiful. She handled herself well as she
has the whole season. But the pizza comes out, they
have a body to pizza and then all of a sudden,
Will and Peter are good friends friends. They hugged. What happened?
You know, look at what the power of pizza can do. Yes,
(43:09):
I mean that was sweet. It was sweet and and
and what I mean, come on, Peter just got a
commercial pretty much on ABC Prime Time for his pizza restaurant.
I mean, who really won in this process? Oh, Peter
definitely one. Michelle said that it was. She said it
(43:30):
was good pizza too, So I mean I was wondering
how it lasted a cross country I was like, is
it really good? Right now? Does the dry eyes can
do ash well? Hey, um, we're gonna take a break here.
When we come back, we are going to do bachelor headlines. Yes,
(43:54):
it is time for bachelor headlines with our resident expert,
Ashley I connedtie well. A lot of these headlines are
around holding underwood, so we're gonna highlight a few of them.
The first one is this, um, well, before we get
into it, actually, have you seen Colton's documentary? I did.
I watched it all. I watched it all pretty fast.
It's only three hours. Um, I really I enjoyed it.
(44:14):
I think it was really good storytelling. There's a lot
of depth, there's some good messages in there. Um. The
one about the episode about Faith was very interesting and
how he has navigated being a Christian while also admitting
to himself that he's gay. And then I also found
(44:35):
the episode where these guys were trying to like kind
of integrate him into the gay community and he just
was like uncomfortable with jumping in like that. So I
would I would definitely say give it a chance, to
definitely say, like, you know, watch it if it's not
your cup of tea whatever, But like I if I
(44:58):
was good. I haven't watched it, but but there are.
There's a few things I understand people having issues with. Okay,
first off, like we have to say, like I want
to say every time, nothing excuses what he did with
this treatment of Cassie, and he acknowledges this in the docuseries.
He also brings up Cassie a lot, and that kind
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of brings us to our first headline, Cassie doesn't really
like this very much. No, it doesn't. Well, I haven't
seen it. Um. You know, Colton came out this week
and said that nobody from Batch Nation reached out to
him kind of after coming out, and that's just not true.
So look kind of erupted my gut a little bit
because I know you're kind of like, oh, well, I
(45:39):
don't want to watch it now, Yeah kind of. I
mean maybe that's pride, maybe that's I need to get
over that, and maybe I will. But you know, I
know of multiple people that did, including myself, um, including
friends of mine that reached out to him. So I
don't know why he's saying that, Like, I just don't
get it, and I don't know if that's a good headline.
I don't know if it makes the rest of us
look unsupportive or what said. He said, Chris Harrison was
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the only one who reached out, and I knew that
you had, and I had a couple other names in
mind that probably did as well. I mean I sent
him a book about like how you navigate, like from
buddy of mine, about how you navigate being a Christian
and coming out. So, like, I just don't understand this
stuff sometimes, Like it's like, are you just trying to
make everybody else look bad and for people to feel bad?
(46:23):
Because like COOLM I know people who did, including myself,
and so that's just a lie, Like it is you
live so close together too. Yeah, I mean, so I
don't understand that. But I haven't watched it yet. Here's
the first headline. Cassie Randolph thinks it's inappropriate for Cool
and Underwood to speak out about their relationship. This according
to Eat. Before I read the headline, I do want
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to say there was one lingering question I left the
series questioning after I was done watching the series, and
that is why didn't he reach out to Cassie and
say I'm gay for before coming out publicly? Because there's
this scene in it where they like, he and his
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friend and his dad debate whether or not Cassie is
going to reach out the day of the g m
A the g m A interview, and Colton and his
dad don't think so. But I'm just like, why didn't
you reach out to her before this? That's crazy? He
does allude to him not being able to speak about
(47:29):
certain things publicly and maybe because of legal issues he
can't even reach out to Cassie herself. But I don't know,
but this is what Cassie says. Um Or sources say
that Cassie feels um. She doesn't love that her name
keeps being brought up. This is a source exclusively told
(47:51):
E this. She has definitely moved on from that time
of her life. She thinks that it's inappropriate that Colton
has continued continuously spoken about there were ship, but understands
it's part of his journey. She um, she went through
a lot, They went through a lot together, and she
prefers not to talk about that chapter and to keep
(48:11):
moving forward in her life. She's really happy right now
and is in a healthy relationship with Cassie. Has not
spoken to Coltman in a very long time and they
do not have a friendship. Yeah. Well, um, you know,
there's there's Obviously Cassie is affected by all this and
she is definitely entitled to that opinion. Well. Uh, next
simeline is Colton Underwood goes Instagram official with boyfriend Jordan's
(48:33):
c Brown to celebrate his birthday. Disaccined to e yes.
So he is, um a political consultant. We've talked about
this before when they were spotted in Hawaii a couple
of months ago. Um, this is his boyfriend Jordan, who
seems that he's been with for at least a couple
of months now. They say that they're in love and
they're very happy. And on his birthday Colton did on
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his story he said this happy birthday to my dog
loving family man cornfed love in another photo and then
um the two of them with the dogs another photo
and um, recently Colton has said that they're very happy
and very in love and uh yeah again have been
(49:19):
together for several months now. Well, moving on from Colton,
we do have a headline that hurts all of us here.
It's the sad thing Dean Angler and Klin Moren their
dog Pappy, hardest day of their lives. We know Pappy, well,
we loved Pappy. A Ton happy, was the sweetest. We
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got to hang out with him on multiple um like
sleepover occasions. Uh. Caitlin was talking to me at your
wedding about how she felt like she didn't that she
felt like she didn't have much more time with Pappy.
They did. They were told when they first adopted him
two and two over two years ago that he probably
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only had a year at best, but he got two
years with them, And they wrote on Instagram today our
sweet little man left our earth. He took his final
breaths in the arms of his loving mother. Um. We
weren't there for the beginning or the middle of his life,
but we were there for what we believe to be
the most important part, the end. And he was just
(50:24):
treated so amazingly. They were the best dog parents that
that boy was showered with love and adventure. We love
pa care. Yeah. Well, um, that's tough, that's really hard. Well,
um onto then switching gears is a hard transition, but
it's onto something really exciting. Somebody that was on our
(50:48):
season of the Bachelor Season twenty bachel Nations, Amanda Stanton
is engaged to boyfriend Michael after less than one year together.
Disaccording to US Weekly, Yeah, we are so happy for
Amanda and Michael. If you guys follow her on Instagram,
you know that Michael is very doting towards the girls,
(51:09):
her daughters, and he's also hilarious and he's a great chef,
and he seems to bring out the best in Amanda.
She seems so happy, she said on Instagram. I'm still
freaking out and I'm shaking. Can't wait to tell you everything.
All the love from you all means so much. They
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He also gave the daughters rings at the proposal, which
is really cute, which is like, I'm I don't want
to just spend the rest of my life with your mom,
but I want to spend the rest of my life
with you guys too, which is just I'm sure those
girls loved it. Well, congratulations both of them. Amanda is
one of our favorites and it's great to see her
(51:52):
smiling with joy. Uh somebody all smiling with joy right now?
Is Batch nation favorite Wells Adams to host pizza competition
Best in Dough on Hulu. This according to The Rap,
I know it's a ten episodes unscripted series. Um that
will be uh you know, talking about they'll be It's
(52:13):
for pizza obsessed competitors from all walks of life to
showcase their pizza slinging skills. The battle it out for
ten tho dollars. So basically, if you're a pizza lover,
it's a food show. It's a food competition about pizza
and who makes the best pie. That's pretty awesome. Yeah,
he's gonna be awesome at it. Well, super happy and
(52:34):
I do. There's not a headline on here, but well
As Adams spent some time in Orlando just this week,
UM doing media for an upcoming golf tourment they're gonna
be playing in. The golf terment is sponsored by Hilton
Hilton Hotels. Uh it is uh a LPGA meets celebrity
(52:55):
golf tournament will be aired on the Golf Channel in NBC.
And UH, Wells I played in this last two years.
I've never had a friend there. Um, I've always kind
of been like the one non athlete. UH and non
big time actor. Wells is playing it this year, and
he came out publicly i'd like to announce and said
that his only goal is to beat me. Well, I
(53:15):
will tell you this right now, for any of you,
I'm not. He's really good. Now, he's really good. It's
gonna take a really good four days for me to
beat him. But it doesn't mean that I'm not gonna
try my hardest. And I'm gonna tell you this right
now publicly, wells Adams, I'm gonna do everything I can
to embarrass you, embarrass you, make you cry on that
(53:37):
golf course. So in January, you're gonna see this in NBC. NBC,
please check it out. It's gonna be a boasted Hey,
al right, enough about me, onto Clayton, our next bachelor.
He said he did find love on Good Morning America.
Now we know that could be with three people. That's true.
(53:57):
No shame here, Hey, no judgment, buddy, you do you
you figured it out later? Yeah, he said, I did
find love. I was a little skeptical, skeptical going into
the whole journey, but I was so pleasantly surprised that
things worked out uh much differently than I had thought. Um.
He says that he's excited too. This is interesting. He's
(54:21):
excited to watch it back and to have everybody else
watched it as well. Not many bachelors. Sounds terrible, sounds
like my worst nightmare. He said that he did to
one of the best things was getting comfortable with being
uncomfortable and stepping out of his comfort zone. There you go, Clayton.
Good luck buddy, He's gonna do great. I can't wait
from come on, I want to meet him, um so
(54:42):
I can get a little bit of idea of who
he is. I do think he's gonna be I mean,
I do think he is a great dude. I just
I'm still shocked at the process at which they went
to picking him and how easy it was him to
pick him. Well, uh, somebody else that we love so dearly.
She spent time with me at Bachelorife on stage. Age
so Talented came to the wedding Bachelor lum Sydney Latoaco
(55:05):
announced his engagement to fiance Nick. One and done, she
says this According to people, Yeah, this year she moved
to Cincinnati to be with her boyfriend. She says one
and done because she's never had a boyfriend before, and
like me, basically she had one and that's it and
she's happy and she's done. Um. She says, love you
(55:26):
forever in the Instagram um So, we started talking back
and forth via via Instagram and then texting and then
eventually face timing for three months before meeting in person.
They met in um August and they decided to take
the relationship to the next level and she moved in
(55:48):
with him on a whim pretty fast, and there we go.
The rest is history. Hey, she was with him on
tour with you right, No, she met him right now tour.
That's crazy. Super pumped for her. She's the best lover dearly.
She actually got up on stage in my wedding and
(56:10):
showed the whole crowd her dancing skills. It was pretty impressive.
I will say, uh, final headline of today we talked
about earlier and we're gonna talk about it again because
it's worth mentioning. Ashley and Jared's new cafe, Ottery's, opens
with coffee treats and a nod to the Bachelor. Congratulations
Ashley and Jared on this opening. Thank you so pumped
(56:31):
for you. Guys. We talked about earlier, but I just
want to mention it again. Well, hey, um everybody, that's
it for today's episode. I would like to once again
mentioned make it a headline, make it a thing, blow
it up. Because at the Hilton Tournament of Champions Wells
Adams will be embarrassed with that. I've Been Been, I've
Been Ashley By followed the Benn and Ashley I Almost
(56:53):
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This is the Benn and Ashley I almost Famous podcast
with her Radio Everybody is another episode of the very
semi famous, the very exciting and the very lovely almost
same as podcast I and one of your hosts Ben,
(00:21):
the semi famous podcast that is a really cool interpretation
of our name. I'm Ashley and this week we do
have your batch bracket rule of the week and there
is no rule this week because we're only down to
three people. So keep signing up, keep filling it out.
See if you win. We'd love to meet you. We
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have good turnout so far actually on this thing. Let's
keep it going. I would love to um. All right, well, Ben,
how how are you doing? This is like the first
host shot segment that like, I feel like we have
nothing to talk about? What do you mean? My life
super exciting? Actually, actually I have been going to bed
(01:04):
with my wife at about seven forty five and the
PM because it gets dark, we've been turning on a
Christmas movie and for the last three nights. So one
of my favorite things, I'll tell you this, my favorite
things now in the world is when Jessica lays her
head on my chest as we watch a movie. So
(01:24):
like we'll be laying there and she'll she'll just cuttle
up real close, put her head on my chest. The
only problem with that is it takes about twenty five
minutes at most for her to be doing the whole
like sleep wiggles, you know I'm talking about when they
like you fall asleep and you start like running in
your sleep. She does that. So about eight thirty she
falls asleep and about five ten she's wide away downstairs
(01:48):
making coffee. God, that's horrible. Yeah, I'm not up at
that point. My my alarm doesn't go off for another
hour after that. But still, um, that's been our week.
Been a lot of Christmas movies, a lot of a
lot of great time with my wife back here in Denver. Uh.
We are back in the swing of things. She is
(02:10):
giving as many facials and derma plains as she can,
and I am catching up on everything missed the last
few weeks. But Ashley big opening night for Audrey's Coffee Shop.
We did have a big week. I lied before when
I said we had nothing to talk about. Ben's even
been involved heavily this week in the opening of Audrey's
(02:32):
Coffeehouse and Lounge. Our opening night. I didn't been do
a head count, but I would assume there have been
close to four people there. It was massive. It was
so thank you Bachelor Nation for coming out and droves.
That's amazing in the very support of Rhode Island community.
That was awesome. Ben said that he thought we had
(02:53):
enough coffee for a while, but said that we flew
out of it given that we were only open for
like seven days and needed at a rush order. We
have been roasting an overnighting coffee now for the last
three days to this coffee shop, because you've sold out
about as much coffee as I expected to last few
(03:13):
three weeks and so way, oh yeah, so you have
like really really started out on a good foot. I
mean I estimated this based on our Golden Coffee Shop,
which is a very great coffee shop here in Golden
that does really well. Uh, and you guys just dominated it.
So congrats in the opening. It has been a big week. Um,
(03:35):
things will get smoother, uh and easier. But I know
from everything that I've read and heard that place is
really really cool. Thank you so much. You talk about
all your cozy Christmas Eve moments with your wife and
I'm jealous because I feel like where's my husband. I
feel like to stay at home wife right now because
(03:58):
Jared is at the coffee shop a sixteen hours a day. Yeah,
and uh, we haven't had a lot of quality time lately,
which sucks, especially around this time of year where we
would definitely be doing the Christmas movie watching. But it's okay.
All will settle into place eventually. I'm thinking probably like
March or April. Yeah, yeah, hey, celebrate then. Well, everybody,
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this is mentel all week uh for the Bachelorette, and
this is Michelle's season of the Bachelorette. It was a
unique mentel all. There was a lot of drama, a
lot of fighting, a lot of just unexpected fan cameos
and things happening to spice up the mentel all. Uh.
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This is Caitlin and Tatia's second um hosting of am
I right, yeah, the second hosting of the Mental all
I thought they did great. Uh. Some of the big
storylines in this mentel all that will dive into is
is Tasia has to walk out of Mental all um
due to the conversation she was having about her breakup.
(05:05):
We'll talk about that. We're also going to talk about
the drama amongst the men and then tease and talk
about what we think of the next season of The Bachelor,
which they confirmed I guess during this episode or I
don't know, but I think they confirmed it last week. Okay,
well they confirmed it last week. Clayton is the Bachelor
and uh, and they showed a sneak peek of his season,
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which was full of drama, as we had to expect.
It looks better than the teaser for this season and
looked it does. Um. I think I think that poor
Clayton guy is a nice guy. I think this thing
was probably very hard for him to navigate, which is
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not a criticism on Clayton as a human. I just
think that he's a nice guy who cared a lot
um and uh and probably walked into something that he
did not expect. You mean he he accidentally said I
love you to three people. Yeah. What a mistakes? What
a mistake, That's what I said. I I posted it
last night. I was like, you know what, I hope
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at some point everybody has during this holiday season a
moment to reflect on my season of the Bachelor and go,
you know what, we gave that bing guy a hard
time and he deserves an apology. I know. Oh the
things that have happened since to think that that was dramatic, right,
(06:30):
Oh my goodness. Well, time moves on. Well, hey, let's
take a break here. Actually, when we come back, we
are going to do the mente All breakdown and also
hot topics of this week within Bachelor Nation, Caitlyn and
(06:53):
Tatious start out Mental All. They are still the host
and mentors. Live shows are all ease A big deal.
I think for me to watch them as host because
I can be easy and it's totally different than you know,
hosting the show where it's like little cameos and conversations.
I thought they did great. Yeah, I thought they did
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really well. It's so much harder than doing the little
like hi guys. So today Michelle wanted you to know,
you know, conducting a live show in front of a
studio audience is pretty it is pretty crazy. They did.
They did do a great job, just reiterating how we
feel about those ladies. I will say, though, different than
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mental Alls of the past where they really let these
guys go at it. And in fact, if you noticed
watching it, there was moments where Calin and Tasia rolled
their eyes and said oh geez, when somebody would speak
up too often or they kind of like let these
things go on longer than we've seen in the past. Okay,
(08:01):
I can I vibe you on that, not that not
that that's bad. It's just like it's just what it
is kind of their style. And I mean as a viewer, ash,
I don't fully dislike it because I want to see
what's going on. Yeah, yeah, I want them to be
kind of like fans. So I actually thought the first
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half of Mental All was a lot stronger than the
second half when I think about the memorable moments. Oddly, um,
it was between characters that probably weren't there very long
for me, my standout moments and maybe like because it's
it's Mental All and there there's like a lot of
filler content in it. Do you want to just kind
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of go through the episode like with what stood out
to you and we stood out to me? Yeah, well,
I do agree with you. I thought Romeo stood out
to me. Uh, and Romeo I've always been a fan of.
I thought he, you know, he's very intelligent obviously with
his pedigree and education in and kind of what he
does for a living. I also just thought he seemed
(09:03):
very comfortable during his time in the Bachelor. I thought
he was released very early. I don't know why. Um.
He kind of reminds me of the John Hersey's I
think that's his name. Where who's with? Whoever's with? Um? Katie? Now? Uh,
you know, I was a big fan of John and
then he got let go and I still have the Instagram.
Oh my gosh, Ben, it's all coming back to me now.
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Remember it's all coming back. You were a huge fan
of John. It was like your dark hor Yeah, he
was my dark horse. I knew it. I do. People
just need to listen to me more, Ashley. That's the thing,
is I just I I predicted it. I still have
the Instagram message where he said, hey, I heard you
spoke nicely of me, thanks for that. Like I did,
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I thought he I thought he had a lot going
for him. And then look at it now, so and
I thought they looked good together. Yeah, I know, how funny. Okay.
So Romeo was a stand out to you. His hair
was a stand out to me. I did not like
the new do. Maybe that's going to be a trend.
I mean maybe just maybe that comes like we'll see
it spread across the country because of this year's you know,
(10:10):
season of The Bachelor at But anyways, okay, so back
to a big moment that first stood out to me.
Uh was obviously the Will in Peter drama Will call
him Peter a narcissa wild That was the best part
of the whole episode. I mean, so contentious and so dramatic. So, Ashley,
I want to hear from you as you watch this
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on television, what is going through your mind as these
two people two seats from each other, are just going
back and forth. Well, okay, so Will says that Peter
should have gone on to Shark Tank if he was
wanting to promote a business, and it all stems from
that drama they had about it was Will calling Peter
(10:57):
a narcissist, right, yeah, and then remember Peter ended up
throwing the top gun jacket into the pool. It was
all crazy and overdone. But now we see that Will,
it's so obviously writing horrible reviews about Peter's pizza place
online and now, as like a cafe owner, I know
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how absolutely detrimental that is and I have so much
and like, this is so not cool, dude, you can't
do this. Um, so I was definitely team Peter and
all of it, and uh, yeah, I don't. I don't know,
well it is it's it's super detrimental to a business.
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I you just really have to dislike somebody and want
to see somebody like fail to do like that. Like
there there have been people in my life that I
am not fans of that. I I just don't get
along with it. I don't see eye to eye with that.
Maybe we've had to that well, just when it come
to mind, like like the idea that you would take
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action to then go out and hurt that person is
is very odd to me. Now, I don't think Peter
handles himself well on the show or even on mente all.
I thought, Uh, he was very confrontational. I felt like
the men there still don't really like him. Uh that
he was probably pretty annoying, But it doesn't take away
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from the fact that Will went out of his way
to leave the leave these reviews. And I just can't
get behind that. Like I can't say that was a
funny thing or a good thing. It was. It was
honestly a little disturbing. Yeah, yeah, it was like evil. Yeah,
the bad sould So that starts out there drama. It
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moves into that just a note before we get too
far along to where some guy, which I thought was
one of the weird parts of this show, comes out
and and serves will Um for defamation. UM. But I'm like, dude,
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do you know that you have now put yourself in
the public figure realm you cannot sue for defamation at
this point. Oh no, it's just like it's it's pretty
much impossible. You're never gonna win it. Um. And but
it was odd to me. So this happens, right, and
I'm like, is this real? Is this not real? Probably
not real? But then Peter goes, this is just a
taste that will what will happen on in real life,
(13:28):
and I was like, Okay, this isn't real. Like Peter
said that line, I was like, oh, this is all fake,
Like super odd, super weird to have happened, but like
still spice things up, and that heightened the drama a
little bit more. UM. So okay, moving into the next
big dramatic thing for me, you might have something different,
But I'll stop here and say Ryan's little segment, uh,
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for his very short time on this show, um mental
all really highlighted Ryan and his his moment of celebrity
by pretty much tanking himself with a playbook for how
to be on The Bachelor at this This segment went
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on for a long time. I was surprised by it.
I still don't think it was the biggest deal ever.
And they also were trying to villainize him by saying
that his dream girls didn't look like Michelle and insinuating that, like,
he wouldn't be into a girl like Michelle. But like,
just because your celebrity crushes don't look like the person
you're dating doesn't mean that you're not attracted to them. Again,
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he did a terrible job of explaining himself. He definitely
went with the whole like I'm just gonna throw apologies
out here to see if it sticks. Uh it didn't.
I don't you know. I don't think he was meant
to be with Michelle. I don't think his exit on
night one was a loss to the show or a
loss for Michelle. But but but they really highlighted it,
(14:54):
and uh, and they really made it a thing. Part
Deep even goes at Ryan during this whole thing, like
Part Deep steps up and just pretty much says that
Ryan has no integrity. Uh, I don't know if that's you,
and I don't know Ryan at all, but I was
shocked to see that coming from part deep. That's like
a bold thing to say for somebody who's only known
(15:17):
a person for a matter of hours on Night one.
Very bold. Yeah, what sit out to you? Then there's
so many guys that I did not know their names
sitting up there. Yeah. I mean, have you ever like
seen to tell all where you forgot so many of
the men? No, and I wonder why. I wonder if
that's just because of the But I can't even blame
(15:38):
it on that, because like tastious season, we knew a
lot of the guys sitting out there, right, we had
memories of them. Um. I wonder if it wasn't ademic
thing it wasn't. Yeah, I don't know why the cast
that was not like the final three or four really
five did not stand out to us. Yeah, it's very weird.
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I will say that watching Clayton's preview, seeing them back
at the mansion and seeing them traveling to places again
was refreshing. I didn't realize how much I missed it
and maybe how much it contributes to the show. No,
I agree with that now, and I miss the mansion.
I miss having the familiarity of seeing them in the
(16:19):
hot tub or in the pool or you know, and
in the sitting areas, even the rose ceremony room. Uh,
that's gonna be fun to go back to and to
see them within it. It's gonna be uh kind of flat.
I mean, for as many changes that have happened in
the last year and a half to this show, it's
gonna be a little bit of familiarity that I think
many viewers are wanting and probably needing if they're going
(16:42):
to continue to be huge supporters of the show, and
you know, we hope they are. But I'll move us
through this then. Actually, the next big standout moment is Martin.
We see Martin again. Martin had a terrible exit. I'll
awful exit. Yeah, really bad he does. He does nothing
to redeem himself here for me. I know, he apologizes,
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but he just he's appologized and just what he's got
to do, and I just get like weird vibes from him.
It does feel like this season had a lot of
people that we had like odd encounters with, like more
villains per se, maybe not standout villains. Like, I don't
know if any of these people are going to be
like guys that made you feel weird, like you did
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not want to be friends with them, You didn't want
to be around them, Like Jamie, like I like resent
him through the TV, Like I don't want to be
near him. He makes me nervous. Yeah, he had you
had like a reaction to him. Well, it doesn't stop
thing because right after Martin, uh, we have Chris. So
like right away we have a bunch of confrontations. Now again,
I want to highlight this. This doesn't always happen on
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the mental but we had a confrontation again amongst Peter
and Will. Then we move into Ryan and everybody confronts Ryan,
and then everybody moves into Martin and confronting my Martin,
and then we get to Chris, which felt like Alice
side of Jamie. We'll get to Jamie a second. Chris
had the most angst within the house. People were very
upset with Chris, and he definitely didn't do anything to
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redeem himself here. This was a complete even backtracked here
calling a lou out um, I mean highlighting the fact
that he had a low I q uh a Lou
stands up and says, hey, I'm black excellence. I've got
a master's degree. Like really puts Chris in his place.
But another confrontation. We're starting up with five confrontations during
mental all and Rick, who probably is the guy who,
(18:30):
like we trust most in the house that was up
there on that stage, besides maybe Rodney. He said that
he was roommates with him and still doesn't believe him.
He said that outrageous thing. Remember he was like, I've
been some sexual induenda with hotter girls, and I'm like, okay,
first off, I don't even know that there are hotter
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girls in existence the Michelle, So I really don't like you. Now,
what a weird thing to say to like even you know,
people can blame it on locker room talk or whatever,
but like, at any point if any guys like I
hooked up with hot a girls and the girl I'm
with reight, like, that's just a weird thing to say,
like and have your mindset around and a weird place
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to put yourself within. Um, if that's true, again, it's
good that Chris went home. Now I'm you know, this
is the whole thing got weird to me because you're right.
Maybe that's why this episode felt so heavy at times,
because there were so many interactions with people and so
little um even desire, and they don't even ask for forgiveness.
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They just apologize, like, hey, I'm sorry that I hurt
everybody in this room. It's like, well, okay, but like
you're not still taking accountability. And that moses into Jamie
because Jamie, in my opinion, took no accountability in fact.
And I know people on here are gonna get upset
with me and know they're gonna get fired up. And
I've been very good about this for a long time.
But Jamie described himself multiple time during this episode saying,
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you know, I'm the type of guy that likes to
be a coach too and an encourage your too. I'm
the type of guy that that wants honesty. I'm telling you.
That is so Jamie. Though, like Jamie radiate self describing
in that way, Oh, it's so repulsive, and so I
hope people hear it and go, hey, when somebody does this,
when they tell you they're a nice person, it should
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raise a little red flag. I'm not saying the biggest
red flag, but when somebody says I don't. I'm the
type of person that likes to encourage others. Okay, cool, Like,
good for you show me because I haven't seen it yet, like,
and Michelle calls him Adam. I thought Michelle did a
great job as saying, Jamie, it's nice that you're sitting
up there apologizing. It's nicier up there telling me how
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great I am. But you did none of that actionably
when it mattered. You're just doing it now because you
feel forced to. That was her exact words. I'm not
saying that any of these people should be punished. I'm
just saying they should be called out. You. You should
be called out when your actions don't meet your words,
and you should try to adjust a little bit to
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helping your actions match your words. If you're gonna say
you're a nice guy who likes to be an encourage her,
you better do it. Yeah, And he was like, you know,
I know I didn't say that I was the one
that brought it up, but you know, I thought I
might do that. I may face up to it, but
then it just like, I guess I just didn't it.
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So the first part of this whole episode is confrontations.
It's drama, probably more confrontations and drama than we've seen
in a long time. I can't remember the last time
this type of thing happened on a live show. But
you know what that being said, did we really care
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about seeing all of this? Because I remember when the
tell all what happened, and I would be like, Oh
my god, so and so is gonna have to sit
close to so into and they're going to have to
face that. Like you know, people made a big deal
when I was going to have to confront Kelsey or
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like when on your season the Twins and Olivia, like
there were things that felt like so unresolved. There was
there was nothing about this tell all what I was like,
Oh my gosh, I'm scared for I'm scared for so
and so. No, maybe, I mean I wonderfully I would say, maybe, Jamie,
I would wonder if a little bit that comes to
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Ashley from your investment and our investment into Michelle and
her love story, because so much of this season has
been us talking about, you know, the guys at the
end and the guys that she matches with that the
drama just feels like it a little bit takes away
from that, and so it hasn't been something we've gotten
super into. There hasn't been cliffhanger storylines necessarily on an
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episode that we're like, oh, I can't wait till next
week to see how this plays out. They're mostly just
stupid arguments for people being stupid. You know what that's
that raises a good point normally, you know, for the
past i'd say like five years, there's been non complete
episodes where like, we don't end after a roast, but
almost all of these episodes have ended after a ROAs ceremony.
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And now I missed the other way. No, I don't
like you don't you like the conclusion? Yeah, I don't
like to be thinking about it all week. I want
to just close. I want to close close the laptop
after I get sent the screener and say I'm done. Um,
but that's just me. Well, next big moment after the
commercial break, we come into Caitlin asking Tasia while why
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she's not wearing her engagement ring. It's a big moment
in the episode, especially for a host to kind of
have to be put on the hot seat as so,
what do you think? I thought it was really awkward?
Yeah I didn't. I didn't like I did not like
the way it was done. I know that they wanted
it to be addressed, and that's totally I mean, I
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don't know if that's cool. I mean, if it was
cool with Tasha, then it's cool with me. But I
just thought it was weird to just be like, oh, hey, friends,
I noticed your rings that on. Maybe we should address
this now in the middle of the episode. I felt
like it could have been placed somewhere else. Uh, I
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don't know, how how did you feel about it? I
just thought was awkward. I mean not that it's going
to be like not awkward, but well, just from a
flow standpoint, it was weird because all the drama was done.
You know, they're getting ready to bring Rodney on the stage,
and so you know, best case scenario is Tashia gets
confronted on this, she explains herself, and then she puts
a smile on her face. In her views Rodney, that's impossible.
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She just got of a relationship probably, I mean a
week or two before this episode, and so had it
was just hard. She apparently filmed this at episode the
day of or the day after the breakup was announced,
so it's been within the past two weeks. Yes, so,
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I mean, just from a flow perspective, it felt oddly placed.
I thought it could be done. It's very end at
the very beginning, but right in the middle, like right
before they bring good old Rodney up to talk see exactly. Actually,
I think it would have been okay at the end
because it was like, okay, well, we're going to continue
(25:29):
to watch Michelle's love story. Um, but Tassia, we have
a little bit of an update on what has happened,
um with yours. So that happens, Roddy comes up on stage.
Tassia then walks off this stage. I'm sure to take
a breather, um, just to refocus. Uh you know, I
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mean I think it was it was just probably needed.
But Rodney comes up. It looks a little bit like
almost stagey, but sure it wasn't. Um. I bet you
she was sitting there for a second and trying to
compose herself, blink back the tears, you know, try to
console that lump in her throat, and she probably was like,
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I can't do it, and it's going to be really
awkward if I'm sitting here and I start crying in
front of him about what's going through my brain in
my heart, so you know that I think that she
probably just said okay in her head, like let me
just walk off for a second. Yeah, it makes sense.
I agree, it did, look and I mean probably because
so much of this episode, like they had the streaker, uh,
(26:35):
they had the guy um serving will um. They there
is something else that happened during this episode I forget
at this point. So much of it kind of felt
like these are weird things that happen on a mentel
all that's supposed to be live that this was like
it kind of fell into that category of the one
off weird thing. But I'm sure it was just Tasha
(26:58):
needing a break and saying, but yeah, it's just with
this and within this episode of Fellow Weird. But anyways,
Rodney gets on stage. Uh, nothing made you here, in
my opinion, other than just finding out that Rodney is
still a good dude and their relationship move really slow,
and that it didn't make sense long term for them
to stay together. Caitlin does say that maybe she'll find
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love on the beaches of Mexico, and I have to say,
if there's one guy in this group that I feel
like we're definitely going to see as a routable, more
romantic character in Paradise. It would be Rodney. Another shoeing
for Paradise, I would say would be Peter. Yeah, yeah,
I would say that too. Rodney. Rodney is a routable character.
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I'm excited to see him in Paris. I think he'll
do great in Paradise. He's he reminds me of a
lot of the guys who have done really well there
and met the loves of their lives. They're just a
nice guy looking for love, honest, um and uh, and
just a kind human that you feel like you want
to be around. Well, this brings us into a little
break where we officially get to dive into Clayton's season
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of the Bachelor. The guys start talking about Clayton because
he is not there. Um, we get to find out
a little bit more about how they feel about Clayton.
Feels like they all really like him, that they think
he's going to do great. Um, let's just go then
and talk. Since we're talking about Clayton, talk about his
preview Ashley. The preview that was aired seems dramatic, seems intense. Um,
(28:29):
not what I expected, but I want to hear your
thoughts before I share mine. I don't know whether I
should say this or not, but there was a girl,
but I'm gonna say it anyway. At the opening of
Audrey Is, there was a girl that in attendance who
was on Clayton's season, and she texted me yesterday during
(28:52):
the the airing of this preview and she was like,
oh my gosh, preview just aired. It feels really intense. Uh.
One of my friends is heavily involved in the preview
and she's like, it's just it's just so crazy. And
I'm like watching this and I'm like, actually, it looks good. Um,
(29:12):
does it look like inten more intense than another Bachelor season?
I'm not sure. I think there's so much focus though
on that top three. We don't we don't have any
other vibes as like how it's going to be throughout
as you weep through the girls. I was surprised that
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he admits openly that he was intimate with more than
one person. Okay, okay, so that's been You're really on
top of things today. I have pregnancy brain. Wow. That
was interesting because the only reasoning as to why I
would think he would say that in that moment would
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be if he lied to one of them or lied
to both. I'm previously and said I didn't with the
other person, because isn't it usually kind of assumed that
it that that there's a strong possibility at the top
two or whatever that might be that after fantasy suites
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that has been done. Do you do you know what
I mean? I thinks I think that's the assumption, and
I think, like, usually it's not. I think that usually
the lead doesn't end up sleeping with like all three
in the fantasy suite, but those are things that are
addressed later on in private or it's like, oh, by
the way, I didn't. Why does he feel the need
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to tell both of them at that moment. Well, I
think it's the assumption. I also think people don't talk
about it because it brings up something. I mean, if
you're the lead, you signed up for everything to be
aired out on the table, everything to be seen and
known about you. If you're contestant, you've SIMI done that.
You don't expect uh, I mean Nick Vile was famous
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for this back in the day with Andy, But like,
you just don't expect it to be talked about unless
you both agree upon it because maybe you don't want
the whole world knowing what happened in the fantasy suite,
so it's assumed by the audience, it's probably assumed by
the cast members. But I agree with you that the
conversation typically happens in private if you did, because it's
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just healthier and you've probably not had the opportunity to
go up to that person be like, hey, are you
okay if I talk about the fact that we were
intimate in the fantasy suite? Like, I just feel like,
if you haven't had that conversation, it's not exactly wise
to just throw it out there. But there has to
be a reason why he's throwing out there. Either he
feels like he has to, he feels he feels guilty,
(31:45):
like something happens that though I'm not saying it's definitely
not excuse what would be. You only can say that
kind of stuff publicly if you believe it's wise and
healthy for every party involved, And unless like guilt or
whatever is not the reason to do that, you have
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to say no, I'm I'll wait and have this conversation afterwards. Um.
But I'm so bizarre that he wouldn't even pull them
each aside and been like, Hey, I have to tell
you something. It's so weird there in front of the
two of them, so they could just look at each
other and be like, uh, this is weird. Well, hey,
we don't know a lot about Clayton. We don't know
about a lot about his season, but we do know
(32:28):
somebody who It's been a while since she came on
the podcast. She is the founder of this podcast, the
executive producer of the podcast. She has met Clayton very
recently at a Nightheart event. She's been able to spend
time with him, and she's coming on the podcast right
now to tell us her thoughts on our new bachelor, Clayton. Okay,
(32:56):
we have Amy Sugarman, our producer, on the line, and
she hung out with Clayton for apparently an extended period
of time at l A's Kiss FM jingle Ball. Amy. Hi, guys,
welcome back to the podcast. It's been way too long.
I'm always watching and listening, but welcome back to your podcast.
(33:18):
First of all, I have to tell you Ashley, Oh
my god. So last night I was in the bathtub,
which is like you know what I do. So I
had my phone and I'm going through my Instagram. Oh
my god. First of all, I feel horrible for you
because I knew it was bad. But your Instagram where
you showed all the pictures and video of you, Oh
(33:40):
my god, I mean I love the Instagram. So for
everyone listening, so Ashley showed all these like beautiful models pregnant,
like just living their best lives, like pregnancy is just
a joy, and like they had blowouts and makeup and
perfect outfit, and then it's just Ashley barking looking horrendous,
(34:04):
like in pain, doubled over, laughing like laughing, going okay,
which I don't know if that's a good or bad thing,
ash But I'm sorry. I did bring me joy. Know
it brought me joy too. Honestly, I watched it. I
watched it, of course, and many times when I was
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creating it, But then even yesterday, well reading comments, I
would find myself going back to rewatch it because like
people liked it. I was like, you see, I think,
why do they love it? I watched it eight times.
I was again, oh my gosh, there really was more
(34:47):
gnarly things that I could have included. But like I
texted you, guys, I had a more extended like throw
up clip. I did not ever show any vomit, like
you don't see anything combing out of my mouth, but
like you can see you can see like I'm actually
like you looked heathen. You know what I mean? Yes,
(35:09):
thank you for your honestly see A mean, this is
what I wanted to hear you like I want to.
I want to hear people say you look you're worse,
because like that is honesty, and that is what I
say about myself. I don't need pleasant tries. It does
not make me feel better. It makes me feel like
you're lying to by first about you're very pretty actually
(35:29):
but you look beyond and number two like I've had
sleepovers with you, so I know that even when you
wake up you look pretty. So like you look so bad,
like i'd say, you're still glowing. I'm just gonna keep
on that she's still glowing in my opinion, because you're
so funny, Amy Ben, you are very funny as well
(35:51):
for saying that. So anyway, yeah, okay, So what I
was saying was on TikTok when I had just a
tiny bit more of the barf bag scene, they flagged
it for graphic slash violent content. So when I put
it on Instagram, I was like, Okay, um, I guess
(36:12):
I will just edit a little bit. There's like fudget
a bit so that nobody has to actually see the
hurl anyway. Anyway, so sorry we got distracted, Yes we did.
I'll tell you guys what happened. And it was pretty rad.
So Michelle Young, who I really liked when I met
her in person, that was my first time meeting her
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in person, was coming into jingle Ball. So at the
last second they emailed us and said, hey, would you
guys want Clayton to cup And obviously my response was like, um,
hell yes. So he wasn't allowed to do any interviews,
but he could come and like take photos because I think,
you know it's too early, He's not The show doesn't
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from me until January three. Are you sure that they're
just not scared that we're going to be further convinced
he has no person? Because here's what I'll tell you.
So I was a full masayer, like I was like,
I don't know about this. I met him. So he
walked up and like he was so charming, and first
of all, he still had to have a mask on
(37:16):
and like so I couldn't even see his face yet,
and he was so charming, charming in the eyes. Here's
what he reminds me of Chris Souls meets Ben Higgins.
So he sort of has like the body type of Chris.
It's awesome. Like I'm telling you, guys, I was not
(37:37):
sold and now I'm like DVR set so yes, second
of all, he was We had all these protocols where
you have to be like tested and vaccinated all these things,
so he was allowed to take his mask off. So
then I saw the dreamy a smile, excellent teeth, Like
I'm telling you guys, the teeth and the smile was
(38:01):
it was just like sparkling, good personality. Like I only
got to talk to him for maybe, like I don't know,
it's probably ten minutes. But here's what I thought was
super interesting. And I was not being flirty because I'm
a hundred years older than him, but I remember touching him,
like I gave him like the pat on the arm
and like touched his like upper arm and lower arm,
(38:21):
which I'm like, why am I doing that? And it's
because he's so cool and charming. M hm, You've never
touched my arm yes, I'm sure I have. But he
has the personality of Ben Higgins the body type that's
that's very strong statement. No, he has the body type
(38:42):
of crystal thinner, but like very tall, like very good
west Burly, carries trees, strong like yes, like that guy
is gonna be on the lift up every single one
of those girls with one strong like Lumberjack, strong like
Mark Wahlberg, but tall. So so we should get behind
(39:04):
this now. I mean, we've never been a Clayton Hayter.
We just have been confused or like a little bit
off on how this was such an easy choice. I'm
telling you, guys, I was not. I was like, I
don't know, so like I'm not saying I was, Yeah,
this is the guy I was very I don't know,
And now I have totally done a one eight. I'm like,
(39:28):
this guy is the old school Bachelor that I loved,
Like reminds me of the ones like Bradwallmac Yes, but
better crystals like crystals meets Ben Higgins. Not as funny
as well, So I'm not gonna say well like not
ha ha, hilarious, charming like Ben kind there for the
(39:53):
right reasons. Dare I say so? Then I said, so,
I have heard that the season is very good, but
some as I hear that and I don't know if
it's actually true or if somebody's trying to trick me.
So we get excited. So I said, I heard the
season's really good, and he goes for me or for television,
and I was like, oh, that's that's promising for all
(40:14):
of them. So I felt, so here's what I'll say.
I'm going to watch, and i'd oh, my goodness, well
this changes things. We can usually trust Amy Sugarman on
her opinion because she gets a lot of inside scoop.
She gets to meet a lot of these people, so
we can usually trust her. There's never been a bachelor
(40:36):
I haven't met. Really, I've met every single bachelor from
the seventeen hundreds till now. And this guy definitely has
that thing. When he walks in the room, You're like, oh,
like very celebrity like star. You know they say like
they suck the air out of the room. Well, of
course I was outside with like eighteen mass on, but
(40:58):
at the same time, I was like, yeah, this guy's
got it. He had a twinkle in his eye and
his smile was so dreamy. Great smile. Well, here's what
I'm concerned about, because if you've met every bachelor since
and I'm the only one you've ever given a job,
I'm nervous that my job maybe up as of next year,
(41:20):
never never been. You can just like, actually have some babies, puppies,
please have kids at the same time. Well, actually, don't
do that. I don't know how we expedite this process. Amy,
thanks for coming on the almost famous podcast U which
(41:42):
really missing or texture. Okay, all right, well let's wrap
up in the last part of the tell All, which
is when Michelle arrives. She does her pleasantries with Rodney
and with Wreck and you know, just you guys are great,
like hope the best for you. The one she really
(42:05):
couldn't get behind was Jamie. She like she was like, no,
not letting Jamie get away with this. Um, it's just yeah.
She put her foot down. She said, no, this isn't okay.
Like you know, as we're talked about earlier that the
explaining part was really what shid, No, this is this
is not happening. We do have to because I know
(42:27):
we're closing up this segment. We do have a couple
just final notes here. Um, one. We do see the
sneak peak for the rest of the season. Uh, nothing
shocking there. The shocking part of the episode, the weird
maybe the weirdest part of the episode when I'm happy
about is Peter brings out pizza for everybody in the
cast and for the host and Michelle, who you know,
(42:48):
just as you said, Michelle was absolutely awesome during this
whole episode. She was just their first short period of time,
but she looked beautiful. She handled herself well as she
has the whole season. But the pizza comes out, they
have a body to pizza and then all of a sudden,
Will and Peter are good friends friends. They hugged. What happened?
You know, look at what the power of pizza can do. Yes,
(43:09):
I mean that was sweet. It was sweet and and
and what I mean, come on, Peter just got a
commercial pretty much on ABC Prime Time for his pizza restaurant.
I mean, who really won in this process? Oh, Peter
definitely one. Michelle said that it was. She said it
(43:30):
was good pizza too, So I mean I was wondering
how it lasted a cross country I was like, is
it really good? Right now? Does the dry eyes can
do ash well? Hey, um, we're gonna take a break here.
When we come back, we are going to do bachelor headlines. Yes,
(43:54):
it is time for bachelor headlines with our resident expert,
Ashley I connedtie well. A lot of these headlines are
around holding underwood, so we're gonna highlight a few of them.
The first one is this, um, well, before we get
into it, actually, have you seen Colton's documentary? I did.
I watched it all. I watched it all pretty fast.
It's only three hours. Um, I really I enjoyed it.
(44:14):
I think it was really good storytelling. There's a lot
of depth, there's some good messages in there. Um. The
one about the episode about Faith was very interesting and
how he has navigated being a Christian while also admitting
to himself that he's gay. And then I also found
(44:35):
the episode where these guys were trying to like kind
of integrate him into the gay community and he just
was like uncomfortable with jumping in like that. So I
would I would definitely say give it a chance, to
definitely say, like, you know, watch it if it's not
your cup of tea whatever, But like I if I
(44:58):
was good. I haven't watched it, but but there are.
There's a few things I understand people having issues with. Okay,
first off, like we have to say, like I want
to say every time, nothing excuses what he did with
this treatment of Cassie, and he acknowledges this in the docuseries.
He also brings up Cassie a lot, and that kind
(45:19):
of brings us to our first headline, Cassie doesn't really
like this very much. No, it doesn't. Well, I haven't
seen it. Um. You know, Colton came out this week
and said that nobody from Batch Nation reached out to
him kind of after coming out, and that's just not true.
So look kind of erupted my gut a little bit
because I know you're kind of like, oh, well, I
(45:39):
don't want to watch it now, Yeah kind of. I
mean maybe that's pride, maybe that's I need to get
over that, and maybe I will. But you know, I
know of multiple people that did, including myself, um, including
friends of mine that reached out to him. So I
don't know why he's saying that, Like, I just don't
get it, and I don't know if that's a good headline.
I don't know if it makes the rest of us
look unsupportive or what said. He said, Chris Harrison was
(46:01):
the only one who reached out, and I knew that
you had, and I had a couple other names in
mind that probably did as well. I mean I sent
him a book about like how you navigate, like from
buddy of mine, about how you navigate being a Christian
and coming out. So, like, I just don't understand this
stuff sometimes, Like it's like, are you just trying to
make everybody else look bad and for people to feel bad?
(46:23):
Because like COOLM I know people who did, including myself,
and so that's just a lie, Like it is you
live so close together too. Yeah, I mean, so I
don't understand that. But I haven't watched it yet. Here's
the first headline. Cassie Randolph thinks it's inappropriate for Cool
and Underwood to speak out about their relationship. This according
to Eat. Before I read the headline, I do want
(46:44):
to say there was one lingering question I left the
series questioning after I was done watching the series, and
that is why didn't he reach out to Cassie and
say I'm gay for before coming out publicly? Because there's
this scene in it where they like, he and his
(47:06):
friend and his dad debate whether or not Cassie is
going to reach out the day of the g m
A the g m A interview, and Colton and his
dad don't think so. But I'm just like, why didn't
you reach out to her before this? That's crazy? He
does allude to him not being able to speak about
(47:29):
certain things publicly and maybe because of legal issues he
can't even reach out to Cassie herself. But I don't know,
but this is what Cassie says. Um Or sources say
that Cassie feels um. She doesn't love that her name
keeps being brought up. This is a source exclusively told
(47:51):
E this. She has definitely moved on from that time
of her life. She thinks that it's inappropriate that Colton
has continued continuously spoken about there were ship, but understands
it's part of his journey. She um, she went through
a lot, They went through a lot together, and she
prefers not to talk about that chapter and to keep
(48:11):
moving forward in her life. She's really happy right now
and is in a healthy relationship with Cassie. Has not
spoken to Coltman in a very long time and they
do not have a friendship. Yeah. Well, um, you know,
there's there's Obviously Cassie is affected by all this and
she is definitely entitled to that opinion. Well. Uh, next
simeline is Colton Underwood goes Instagram official with boyfriend Jordan's
(48:33):
c Brown to celebrate his birthday. Disaccined to e yes.
So he is, um a political consultant. We've talked about
this before when they were spotted in Hawaii a couple
of months ago. Um, this is his boyfriend Jordan, who
seems that he's been with for at least a couple
of months now. They say that they're in love and
they're very happy. And on his birthday Colton did on
(48:57):
his story he said this happy birthday to my dog
loving family man cornfed love in another photo and then
um the two of them with the dogs another photo
and um, recently Colton has said that they're very happy
and very in love and uh yeah again have been
(49:19):
together for several months now. Well, moving on from Colton,
we do have a headline that hurts all of us here.
It's the sad thing Dean Angler and Klin Moren their
dog Pappy, hardest day of their lives. We know Pappy, well,
we loved Pappy. A Ton happy, was the sweetest. We
(49:41):
got to hang out with him on multiple um like
sleepover occasions. Uh. Caitlin was talking to me at your
wedding about how she felt like she didn't that she
felt like she didn't have much more time with Pappy.
They did. They were told when they first adopted him
two and two over two years ago that he probably
(50:02):
only had a year at best, but he got two
years with them, And they wrote on Instagram today our
sweet little man left our earth. He took his final
breaths in the arms of his loving mother. Um. We
weren't there for the beginning or the middle of his life,
but we were there for what we believe to be
the most important part, the end. And he was just
(50:24):
treated so amazingly. They were the best dog parents that
that boy was showered with love and adventure. We love
pa care. Yeah. Well, um, that's tough, that's really hard. Well,
um onto then switching gears is a hard transition, but
it's onto something really exciting. Somebody that was on our
(50:48):
season of the Bachelor Season twenty bachel Nations, Amanda Stanton
is engaged to boyfriend Michael after less than one year together.
Disaccording to US Weekly, Yeah, we are so happy for
Amanda and Michael. If you guys follow her on Instagram,
you know that Michael is very doting towards the girls,
(51:09):
her daughters, and he's also hilarious and he's a great chef,
and he seems to bring out the best in Amanda.
She seems so happy, she said on Instagram. I'm still
freaking out and I'm shaking. Can't wait to tell you everything.
All the love from you all means so much. They
(51:30):
He also gave the daughters rings at the proposal, which
is really cute, which is like, I'm I don't want
to just spend the rest of my life with your mom,
but I want to spend the rest of my life
with you guys too, which is just I'm sure those
girls loved it. Well, congratulations both of them. Amanda is
one of our favorites and it's great to see her
(51:52):
smiling with joy. Uh somebody all smiling with joy right now?
Is Batch nation favorite Wells Adams to host pizza competition
Best in Dough on Hulu. This according to The Rap,
I know it's a ten episodes unscripted series. Um that
will be uh you know, talking about they'll be It's
(52:13):
for pizza obsessed competitors from all walks of life to
showcase their pizza slinging skills. The battle it out for
ten tho dollars. So basically, if you're a pizza lover,
it's a food show. It's a food competition about pizza
and who makes the best pie. That's pretty awesome. Yeah,
he's gonna be awesome at it. Well, super happy and
(52:34):
I do. There's not a headline on here, but well
As Adams spent some time in Orlando just this week,
UM doing media for an upcoming golf tourment they're gonna
be playing in. The golf terment is sponsored by Hilton
Hilton Hotels. Uh it is uh a LPGA meets celebrity
(52:55):
golf tournament will be aired on the Golf Channel in NBC.
And UH, Wells I played in this last two years.
I've never had a friend there. Um, I've always kind
of been like the one non athlete. UH and non
big time actor. Wells is playing it this year, and
he came out publicly i'd like to announce and said
that his only goal is to beat me. Well, I
(53:15):
will tell you this right now, for any of you,
I'm not. He's really good. Now, he's really good. It's
gonna take a really good four days for me to
beat him. But it doesn't mean that I'm not gonna
try my hardest. And I'm gonna tell you this right
now publicly, wells Adams, I'm gonna do everything I can
to embarrass you, embarrass you, make you cry on that
(53:37):
golf course. So in January, you're gonna see this in NBC. NBC,
please check it out. It's gonna be a boasted Hey,
al right, enough about me, onto Clayton, our next bachelor.
He said he did find love on Good Morning America.
Now we know that could be with three people. That's true.
(53:57):
No shame here, Hey, no judgment, buddy, you do you
you figured it out later? Yeah, he said, I did
find love. I was a little skeptical, skeptical going into
the whole journey, but I was so pleasantly surprised that
things worked out uh much differently than I had thought. Um.
He says that he's excited too. This is interesting. He's
(54:21):
excited to watch it back and to have everybody else
watched it as well. Not many bachelors. Sounds terrible, sounds
like my worst nightmare. He said that he did to
one of the best things was getting comfortable with being
uncomfortable and stepping out of his comfort zone. There you go, Clayton.
Good luck buddy, He's gonna do great. I can't wait
from come on, I want to meet him, um so
(54:42):
I can get a little bit of idea of who
he is. I do think he's gonna be I mean,
I do think he is a great dude. I just
I'm still shocked at the process at which they went
to picking him and how easy it was him to
pick him. Well, uh, somebody else that we love so dearly.
She spent time with me at Bachelorife on stage. Age
so Talented came to the wedding Bachelor lum Sydney Latoaco
(55:05):
announced his engagement to fiance Nick. One and done, she
says this According to people, Yeah, this year she moved
to Cincinnati to be with her boyfriend. She says one
and done because she's never had a boyfriend before, and
like me, basically she had one and that's it and
she's happy and she's done. Um. She says, love you
(55:26):
forever in the Instagram um So, we started talking back
and forth via via Instagram and then texting and then
eventually face timing for three months before meeting in person.
They met in um August and they decided to take
the relationship to the next level and she moved in
(55:48):
with him on a whim pretty fast, and there we go.
The rest is history. Hey, she was with him on
tour with you right, No, she met him right now tour.
That's crazy. Super pumped for her. She's the best lover dearly.
She actually got up on stage in my wedding and
(56:10):
showed the whole crowd her dancing skills. It was pretty impressive.
I will say, uh, final headline of today we talked
about earlier and we're gonna talk about it again because
it's worth mentioning. Ashley and Jared's new cafe, Ottery's, opens
with coffee treats and a nod to the Bachelor. Congratulations
Ashley and Jared on this opening. Thank you so pumped
(56:31):
for you. Guys. We talked about earlier, but I just
want to mention it again. Well, hey, um everybody, that's
it for today's episode. I would like to once again
mentioned make it a headline, make it a thing, blow
it up. Because at the Hilton Tournament of Champions Wells
Adams will be embarrassed with that. I've Been Been, I've
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