May 17, 2023 • 39 mins
Jason Middleton sits in for Jennifer Jones Lee for your Wednesday morning Wake Up Call. ABC White House Correspondent shares information regarding President Joe Biden having cut his upcoming foreign trip short amid the debt ceiling showdown. KFI's Tech Reporter Rich DeMuro joins for Wired Wednesday! Open AI founder Sam Altman has told Congress that AI regulation is "essential", Google will begin deleting inactive accounts, and Apple has introduced new assistive features including a way to preserve your voice forever. Then, CNBC's Jane Wells is back for some Biz Buzz! The two unpack some news surrounding ChatGPT as the inventor spoke with Congress regarding the pros and cons of artificial intelligence. Additionally, Elon Musk has promised the Cyber Truck this year (finally!), and Americans don't want to relocate for new jobs. And ABC's Mike Dobuski talks a touch more about AI and warns of how things might go if we don't begin regulating it.
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You're listening to Wake Up Call withJennifer Jones Lee on demand from K five
a M. Six forty. Goodmorning everyone, this is your wake up
Call for Wednesday, May seventeenth.I am in for Jennifer Jones Lee all
this week. My name is JasonMiddleton. Today is Mushroom Hunting Day.
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If you celebrate, you can celebratein a different way in Oregon and Colorado,
where it's decriminalized to have magic mushroomsaround Oakland, San Francisco, Santa
Cruz. Here in the Golden Stateas well, and apparently one dispensary in
La County. I read that storylast night when I was prepping for today's
show, as stories in the LaTimes. I was in the Bay Area
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before moving back to Los Angeles.I was gone for twelve years. Came
back because I missed it. Butwhen I was up there, I was
covering many things, but I coveredScott Wiener, State Senator. Then he
was not in the state House,he was in the Assembly. He has
a Senate Bill fifty eight, whichwould decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms here in California as
well. Just saying it's National MushroomHunting Day. So I thought I'd just
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surfaced some of that. Also,this hour, we're going to have more
than a couple of takes on artificialintelligence. I've been covering tech a long
time as well, and artificial intelligenceis something that's touching all parts of the
economy and society. And the CEOand founder of open Ai, which created
the chat GPT bolt on that theypartnered with Microsoft and Bing, was on
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Capitol Hill yesterday. So we're goingto be reviewing some of that. But
first we have a few quick headlinesas we get going this morning. President
Biden is canceling his upcoming visits toAustralia and Papua New Guinea due to ongoing
debt ceiling talks. Meantime, thePresident will still travel to Japan later today
to participate in the G seven economicSummit. The legal status of the abortion
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pill mifipristone will be the subject ofa court hearing today. A re judge
panel with the Fifth Circuit Federal AppealsCourt will decide on the legal status of
the pill, which was used inover half of the recent abortions in the
US. The court has jurisdiction overTexas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, the
Department of Justice is charging a formerApple employee was stealing autonomous technology on behalf
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of a Chinese self driving car company, Wibau. Lang worked as a software
engineer and was among two percent ofApple employees who had access to proprietary databases.
That comes from a special task forcewithin the Department of Justice, as
this trade war with China between Chinaand the United States continues to crank up.
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In just a few minutes, we'regoing to talk with ABC's White House
correspondent Carrying Travers about those debt ceilingand possible default negotiations that are going on
in Washington. We're gonna start withsome more stories coming out of the KFI
twenty four hour newsroom. Though HuntingtonBeach has withdrawn from the OC Power Authority,
leaving only Buena Park, Fullerton andIrvine as members of the Clean Energy
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Agency. Huntington Beach mayor Tony Stricklandsays there have been too many issues.
There's not many organizations that have hadthis lack of transparency, unqualified leadership,
and the audience and the grand juryreports, whistle blower complaints, and again,
this is a relatively new organization.The OCPA says it's already fixed eighty
percent of the issues listed in audits, with one hundred percent compliance promised by
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summer. The agency says withdrawing nowonly hurts low income homeowners and small businesses
that need the agency's two percent cheaperrates. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for
a man accused of abducting his exgirlfriend in Riverside County and holding her hostage
using a fake handgun. The manis charged with kidnapping, false imprisonment,
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and other charges for the alleged crimes. Last week. The man has pleaded
not guilty. The hearing Friday willdetermine whether there is enough evidence to go
to trial. A professional bee rescuerin Ontario says the last thing you want
to do with a swarm of beesis swat at them. Eli Barkanov says,
if you do, the bees readit as an attack. In that
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situation, you want to stay ascalm as possible, even like hold your
breath, because the carbon dioxide thatwe emit it aggravates the bees. Barkanov
is best known as Eli the BeeGuy, and to prove his point,
he had me stand in the middleof a swarm yesterday, and yes,
dozens of bees landed on me,bumped my forehead, face and neck,
and I slowly walked away without gettingstung. The first instinct is to start
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swatting them like like they were fliesor something exactly. Yeah, and that's
that's the biggest mistake. That's whenthey feel threatened. And if they feel
threatened, well, they're going todefend themselves. He says. The guy
who was seen on video in EncinoMonday should have never swatted at the bees
in Ontario. Steve Gregory King,if I knows. On the KFI live
line, we have ABC House Correspondent, White House Correspondent, and House correspondent.
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I get, I don't. Washingtond DC is carried travers Hi Karen
Learning, I'll take all of it. Sorry about that. Hey, how
is the tone coming out of Howwas the tone coming out of yesterday's meeting
about this looming X date of possibledefault. Yeah. So the President said
that the meeting yesterday with Kevin McCarthyand other congressional leaders was good and productive.
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Chuck Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader, said that it was much more
cordial than the meeting the week before. Everybody was more pleasant and there was
more agreement that the default is notan option, And even Kevin McCarthy said
that, you know, while hethinks the two sides are still not very
close, but they're far apart,he did think that the structure for negotiations
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had improved and there was a betterkind of base scenario right now because those
senior officials on both sides being taskedwith negotiating for the next couple of days,
so, you know, odd glimmersof optimism, while at the same
time reality saying, well, we'restill pretty far apart. So now they
will get down to work for thenext couple of days. They started already
last night with meeting right away,continuing it today at that senior staff level,
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and the President today heads off toJapan for the g seventh Summit for
a couple of days. But notablyhe has cut that Asia trip short,
not going to Papa New Guinea,not going to Australia, so he can
be back in Washington for what hecalled final negotiation. Okay, so negotiations
leveled up yesterday. You mentioned Biden'sitinerary changed. Is that is that a
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big deal or is that just kindof collateral damage during this process. You
know, it's always a potential whena president travels overseas that there could be
something that brings him back, butusually they try to keep a schedule because
there is a lot that goes intoplanning an overseas trip, especially one that
takes them all the way to Australia. He would have been the first president
to go to Papa New Guinea,so that's very significant, and they really
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did not want to cancel that.So I think it's very significant that they
have cut short this trip. Thatshows how important it was for the president
to be back here in Washington nextweek to have these in person meetings.
But I do think it's notable thathe called it final negotiations. He didn't
say he was coming back to continuetalks with Kevin McCarthy to keep ongoing negotiations
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going. He said it was finaland they still confident. Then by the
time he gets back, they're goingto be in that position to push this
across the finish line. It seemsbefore yesterday's negotiation, the meeting at the
White House, at least there weresome incomes when it comes to incoming things.
When it comes to other unrelated politicsto budget and like immigration came up
on the GOP side. Our movinggoalposts out of the way now, is
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it seems like everybody's focused on thedebt ceiling and the X date. Yes,
I mean yes, but also budgetissues are of course a part of
this, and you know, wedon't know exactly what is going to end
up in this final agreement. Theyall said yesterday they're not going to negotiate
this in public. We know acouple of things that are on the table
include climbing back some of the unspentCOVID funding that that's worth, some of
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the cuts and spending cuts could bedone that there could be some issues on
streamlining opponents and regulations on energy projects, and also Republicans looking to try and
make some tougher restrictions on federal aidprograms. But otherwise they all were very
clear yesterday we're not going to negotiatethis in public, and they were not
going to get into the nuts andbolts of what they talked about. Karen,
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thank you for your time this morning. I hope we can talk later
this week. I have a greatday. That was ABC White House Correspondent
Karen Travers. Let's get back tosome of the stories coming out of the
KFI twenty four hour news room.The La City Council has decided against formally
asking the city planner to stop ahotel from being built in Benedict Canyon.
The motion failed on a seven toseven split. People showed up to yesterday
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city council meeting to both support andprotest the hotel. This man says,
the hotel does not belong in BenedictCanyon. We have a party house problem
in the canyon. This is apermanent party house twenty four to seven.
The hotel's developers says guests would notbe parting loud because the hotel would have
noise restrictions. The hotel at handwould be home to fifty nine rooms.
Eight single family homes would also siton the more than thirty two acre property
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in La Blake Trolley k if INews. Executives from Silicon Valley Bank and
Signature Bank have appeared before the SenateBanking Committee for a hearing on the bank's
failures. Committee chair Sharad Brown stead, in his opening statement, the banks
were fatally mismanaged and executives put shortterm profits ahead of everything else. The
same answer we find to most questionsabout big bank failures because the executives who
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are getting rich. Brown says theexecutives were paying out bonuses up until the
hours before regulators seized their assets.The head of the artificial intelligence company that
makes chat GPT has told Congress governmentintervention will be critical to mitigating the risks
of increasingly powerful AI systems. Ithink if this technology goes wrong, it
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can go quite wrong, and wewant to be vocal about that. We
want to work with the government tothat from happening. Open AICEO Sam Altman
testified yesterday at a Senate hearing.His startup got the public's attention when it
released chat GPT late last year.Lawmakers expressed concerns about the ability of generative
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AI tools to mislead people, spreadfalsehoods, violate copyright protections, and upend
the job market. This is anotherrevolution in the tech sector. You think
about it, you go back tothe PC revolution in the Internet revolution,
and now we have the AI revolution, and we have Jane Wells and Mike
ebusculated this hour to help us getour arms around some of this. Pro
choice activists have rallied around, ralliedoutside North Carolina's capital over an abortion band
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that passed despite the governor's veto.Republicans in the state House and Senate work
together to override Governor Roy Cooper's veto. Yesterday, Cooper only needed one Republican
to vote against the party to keepthe abortion laws intact. This woman says
she's been fighting against the bill formonths and for it to turn so quickly
was overwhelming. We're not done.We're upset right now. We're going to
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collect ourselves and we're gonna gather,but this is not over. The twelve
week abortion band goes into effect Julyfirst. It has exceptions for medical emergencies,
cases of rape and incest, andlife limiting fetal anomalies. Officials in
China have sent crews to search forthirty nine crew members of a fishing boat
that capsized in the middle of theIndian Ocean. Chinese media reports the accident
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happened early yesterday with a crew thatincludes seventeen from China, seventeen from Indonesia,
and five from the Philippines. Chinais believed to operate the world's largest
fishing fleet. Many of them stayat sea for months or even years at
a time. At five thirty five. It's Biz Bite Wednesday, so Jane
Wells will join us. She's fromCNBC and from KFI. Jane is bringing
some news on the often teased,never delivered or not yet cybertruck from Tesla.
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So we'll do this week in elonmusk. Jane has a take on
AI as well, But right nowlet's welcome in Rich DeMuro Riches, the
tech reporter at KTLA here in LosAngeles and more importantly has a Saturday show
here on KFI as well. Goodmorning Rich, Hey, Good morning Hugh
Jason. Good to talk to you. An AI founder Sam Altman telling Congress
that AI regulation is essential. Sowhat was your hot take on what you
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saw yesterday? Well, I thinkthat everyone is sort of agreeing that this
is a place that needs to belooked at. Now. The regulations are
going to be tricky because it's atechnology that is ever changing and we're not
really sure what it's capable of,and we also don't want to stop the
progress of this. So I thinkit's a very tricky place. But everyone
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that's involved in it sort of agreesthat, yeah, there are definitely some
downsides to this that we need tobe very aware of, especially as AI
evolves gets smarter. And the thingI think most people are concerned about is
when they start building robots with generativeAI that starts to think for themselves.
Yeah, I agree. Do youthink that do you get the tone that
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we learned from past missteps when itcomes to regulation and technological advances. Well,
that's a tough fun because I thinkthat what happened with like Google and
Microsoft and all these other companies thatyou know, the web one point zero
companies, they were left unchecked.You know, everyone celebrated their existence,
they celebrated what these companies were ableto do, But the reality is they
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were able to grow in a waythat was just sort of unchecked in any
way. And that's good because theywere able to get big. But it's
bad because now we're seeing the resultsof that. So I think that people
don't want a rehash of that.But at the same time, there are
so many benefits this artificial intelligence technologyfor so many different business lines that people
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want this to happen. But wejust wanted to happen in a safe way
that doesn't also ruin everything else aboutour lives. I know that I have
to ask myself this every week formy show. I listen to your show,
you have to mention AI as well. Are we given this the proper
amount of scope? Do you think? Is it too much coverage to little
coverage? What's your hot take onthat one? Oh? I mean I
could make my entire three hour showabout AI every single week. It is
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the biggest thing happening in our lifetimeat this point. We saw the Internet
happen, we saw evs happen,We've seen a lot of change in the
technology, you know, things likemobile phones. But this changes everything because
like we saw the Internet built intoevery device, including coffee cups, we're
going to see AI built into everysingle industry in this world. There is
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nothing that it will not touch,and so it is big and it's everything.
So I think we're not. Imean, I think if we're giving
it the right amount of attention,I don't even think we have begun to
understand the capabilities of this just yet. All right, well, thank you
for reinforcing my take on it aswell. And if we're as long as
we're hour measuring, yours is threehours, minds two hours on Sundays.
Okay, Web one point zero let'sgo to Google. It's going to start
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auto deleting accounts that haven't been usedin a while. I haven't seen this
one yet. What's going on?Yeah, this is uh, you know.
Google says that look, if anaccount is sitting there dormant, hackers
can get into it much easier anduse it to spread malicious things software,
emails, whatever. So they haven'treally done this before, but they are
going to start deleting accounts that havenot been used in two years. So
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if you open up an email accounta couple of years ago you forgot about
it, they will delete that startingDecember twenty twenty three. Now keep in
mind, this is going to bea slow, gradual thing. They're not
just gonna go ahead and delete everythingautomatically the first day. They're going to
start with accounts that were opened andnever used again. So you know,
you might have opened it back inthe day when Gmail first came out and
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then he said, ah, nevermind, and he never used it.
And they're going to do this slowlyunlike a lot of other services. This
is also important. They're not goingto put that email address back out there.
So if you have an email addressand they close that account, someone
else will not be able to claimthat email, which is nice. Yeah,
to keep in mind, this doesaffect Gmail Docs, Drive Meat Calendar,
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YouTube, Google Photos. The onlything is if you have a YouTube
account and you have a video uploadedto it, they will not delete that
count because a lot of times that'skind of for posterity reasons. If this
is a security concern, why arethey waiting until December to do it to
start diffrun? Well, I thinkthis is the first time they've done this
in a big way, and sothey want to make sure they do it
right. Because Google is a bigcompany. A lot of people have data
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saved with Google. And look,I mean Google still has a lot of
security. You know, they havea lot of security precautions in place that
work today. This will just kindof increase that as we see more fishing
and all that stuff happening. Thatmakes sense. Okay, let's move over
to Apple because this kind of tiesinto AI a little bit, and that
is I had Joanna Stearn on myshow and you've I believe you've talked about
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this too the Wall Street Journal whereshe trained AI to use her voice and
her picture in order to try tofake identify herself or other places. Apple
is going to introduce an assistive feature. What's up with this one? Yeah,
so this is for Global Accessibility AwarenessDay, which is tomorrow. Apple
showed off a whole bunch of newaccessibility features. I think they're really a
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leader in this area, making phonesaccessible and usable by everyone, no matter
what your abilities are, and sothey've already been really good about this,
but now they're introducing a whole bunchof new stuff. The one that you're
talking about is called Personal Voice.So you spend fifteen minutes on your phone
reading a whole bunch of different phrases, and then your phone will recreate your
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voice. And so what's that goodfor. It's not for what Joanna was
using it for. It's really form, you know, anyone who may be
at risk of losing their speech dueto some sort of disability, so for
instance als and so this will enableyou to speak even though your voice box
no longer works. But of coursemany many people will be trying this out
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just for the curiosity factor to see, and that's not the only feature.
They're also making a very simple phonescreen, so all the apps are very
big, buttons very simple to usemight be good for you know, Grandma,
grandpa, that kind of stuff,but also folks that have different disabilities.
And so I think that they're doinga real lot in this area and
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these things are coming later this year. This is part of Apple's corporate DNA.
Going back to Steve Jobs, ina lot of ways, he wanted
the watch and other features to behealth oriented. Am I mis remembering that?
Well, it's interesting when the watchfirst came out, it was really
more app oriented, and now ithas become a force with fitness because they
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realized that people didn't really care aboutchecking Instagram on their phone or getting an
Uber sorry from their watch, andso they have really tripled down for the
watch on health and also with thephone. So now, by the way,
when they came out with Apple Fitness, you had to have an Apple
Watch and they said it was required, and then all of a sudden a
year later, they said, oh, never mind, you can just use
your phone now. So if youhaven't tried Apple Fitness in a while,
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you can use just your iPhone.You don't even need an Apple Watch anymore.
But yeah, Apple is really movingahead in accessibility and fitness in a
big way. We didn't have thatthis one slated. Rich I just want
to ask you a hot take roleon Apple classical music. Have you seen
any feedback on that one? Isit positive? Negative? Or is it
nobody really noticing yet? I'm nothearing a lot about it, but I
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used it for a bit and Ithought it was actually really neat, and
I think that if you are intoclassical music, or even if you're not,
it's a really neat way to rediscoverthat genre because Apple did a lot
of work, as they typically doin you know, recreating artwork and recataloging
all of these tunes, and socheck it out. I mean, it's
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included if you have Apple Music.So the only thing is it's not offline.
You can't like listen to it ona plane because you can't download the
music. You have to listen toit streaming for some odd reason, I'm
not really sure. Okay, cool, Well, thanks for that update.
And I didn't mean to bring thaton you, but it just just popped
in my mind. We're talking aboutApple. I thought i'd bring that one
up because it's kind of new.Yeah, sure, rich to mur here
for you, Jason. Thanks richRichard Murrow, of course, is a
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tech reporter at KTLA, but hehis show was on satur Days here on
KFI, a three hour block withRich Rich Thanks for your time this morning.
All right, Jason, have agreat day. Thank you. Let's
get back to some of the storiescoming out of the KFI twenty four hour
news room. The West Hollywood CityCouncil has voted to add four LA County
Sheriff's deputies to the city to helpaddress rising crime. The council last summer
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voted to remove four deputies, replacingthem with unarmed security ambassadors to patrol the
streets. One local resident says WestHollywood is home to many people in the
LGBTQ community, making it a targetedarea for crimes. Seeing the security ambassadors
and videos that are like viral online, just standing there and letting things happen
just perpetuates the other residents say,people who know there will be no repercussions
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for their actions will continue to burglarizeand rob the community. The city said
Monday they are willing to add moreofficers in the future in West Hollywood.
Chris Adler KFI News Right now onwake Up Call, we have Jane Wells
on the line for a biz bitebreakfast chat. We're gonna get the AI
soon. Good morning, Jane,We're gonna start. I'd like to start
with Silicon Value Bank. Could please? So AI was not the only thing
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on Capitol Hill yesterday. No.No. The former CEO of Silicon Valley
Bank, Gregory Becker. It's thefirst time he's spoken publicly since the bank
failed, and he basically said itwas everybody's fault. Everybody else's fault,
not his. He said he feltterribly sorry that the bank failed, but
that you know, the FEDS startedraising rates after promising to keep rates low
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for the foreseeable future, and youknow, he was caught off guard.
And then people started worrying about thebank on social media, and that caused
to run on the bank. Youknow, it went on and on and
on. He was blaming the board, blaming depositors, and finally a senator
said, hey, is any ofthis your fault? And he paused for
a while and he said, youknow, I can't really think of anything
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I did wrong. Well, youknow, Jason, maybe if the bank
had not gone for months and monthswithout someone in charge of risk management,
or maybe if the bank had startedchanging its capital strategy when it became clear
the Feds we're going to continue raisingrates. I mean, there are a
bunch your regional banks that didn't tank, and Silicon Valley Bank did and he
really took no responsibility for it atall. Yeah, changing capital strategy or
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you know, reading John Ford's newsletterfrom six months ago that he called it
out. And I know he's acolleague of yours at CNBC. I used
to work with him when I wasin the Bay Area as great. So
yeah, I mean, you're right, it was this was mismanagement. It
sounds like the buck didn't stop atthe CEO desk. The buck just got
bought up by JP Morgan Chase anotherwell, you know, one senator said
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his story sounded a lot like youknow, you're telling me the dog ate
my homework. Now, if anyoneelse is to blame, you could blame
the FED in part for not payingattention, because it's supposed to be regulating
the bank and it was asleep atthe wheel. But it was just a
strange, you know how these CEOscan be, and this was one of
those where the guy just wasn't reallyreading the room. Yeah, exactly.
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And the FED did do some selfreflection when it comes to it's yes enforcement
as well. So j Powell willhave his time on the hill pretty soon
too. You mentioned CEOs. Let'sstay with one. Let's do this week
in Elon Musk. Elon says thecyber truck is really truly coming this year,
honest, it says, And doyou think that's really truly honest?
Well do you, Jason? Imean you know the guy's history on predictions
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and timelines. He first, Ithink the cyber truck. He had a
shareholder meeting yesterday, which, bythe way, I don't know if you've
ever covered shareholder meetings, but thereI love them to actually go to one
when you can, because people whowho you'd only have to own one share
to be able to go to theshareholder meeting and stand up and get the
microphone and ask the CEO something andlike one guy was there dressed as a
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robot wearing a cowboy hat and askedsomething about you know, are you going
to make an RV? But Elon, among many things yesterday said that yes,
the cyber truck is really coming laterthis year. He also predicted that
once they start production, they'll sellbetween two hundred and fifty and five hundred
thousand a year. Okay, andyou know we're still waiting on the roadster
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in the Semi, which were promised, you know, originally back in twenty
seventeen. So oh and one otherthing, he said, the Model Why
is going to be the best sellingcar on Earth in twenty twenty three.
So I don't know. If Iwere taking one side of the bet,
i'd probably short the prediction. Yeah, but he is saying the cyber truck's
really coming. Look, I knowElon gets a lot of binary responses.
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I understand that, but CEO forhim is cheerleader, executive officer in a
lot of ways. And remember whenhe when he was putting when you put
the Semi on stage, there wasa there was a mishap on the on
the prototype launch as well. Soyeah, but to your point, I
don't go to shareholder meetings anymore.I'd kind of just do the earnings calls
and just kind of lay back andlet them talk. But uh, but
that does sound entertaining with with Elon. Yeah, I mean, don't forget.
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Oh you said you mentioned the ModelWhy. I just wanted to point
out that an idea about Muskie isS three x Y. He wanted it.
He couldn't get the Model E fromMercedes because he wanted all of his
models A spell sexy. Oh you'rekidding. Oh you're kidding. I didn't
know that. That is so typical. It's right. Let's move on to
chat GPT because they were. SamAlban was on Capitol Hall yesterday. I'd
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love to get your take on himtrying to get in front of regulation.
Did we learn a lesson from pastlike PC revolutions, Internet revolutions? Are
we in front of AI? Ohno, we're not in front of AI.
We're never in front of these nextthings, and certainly Congress never is
because Congress, I mean, look, you've got Diane Feinstein as a senator,
So no way, we're not.This is this is something we need
to pay attention to. I dothink there were a couple of things interesting
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that came out of that. SamAltman saying that we need to do this,
you know, with some precision,and that maybe we need to have
new models of AI A registered andhave to go through testing before they're released,
and the woman who's the head ofsecurity at IBM Privacy was saying things
that were very good I thought likethere needs to be transparency that if you're
using AI, there needs to besomething that tells you you're not interacting with
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a human. But I have totell you, Jason. For the last
couple of weeks, I've been talkingto chief financial officers at companies big and
small, publican private, all overthe West, and to a person to
a company they are using AI.They want to roll out more generative AI.
They want to do it for avariety of reasons. It's so fast,
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it makes operations so efficient, laboris still tight, and this can
replace a lot of people, andfrankly, you know, it can replace
people that they that they do haveand save money. So this is something
that they are all saying, thisis the next big thing. Now we've
heard that about other things, true, but like the cybertruck. But this
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is the thing since the Internet that'sgoing to revolutionize everything, and we don't
know what we don't know. Ithink the question is, you know,
if they can have an AI.Jennifer Jones lee that AI will never go
on vacation, you won't need tobe filling in. It doesn't need health
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insurance. And at a certain pointcan the AI Jennifer Jonesley or Jason Middleton
or Jane Wells write stories that soundalmost real. I don't know about you,
but when I read certain news stories, particularly about earnings, I can
tell that was generated by an algorithm. I can tell still that it was
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not written by a human. Butthat is going to get more and more
difficult to discern. I think Ithink I'm definitely with you on that,
and especially with voice. And wejust talked to Richard Murrow about Apple's feature
about recording voice. Now that's that'sfor a different health purpose or a disability
purpose. But at the same time, you know it's coming. It's quick,
and I don't think we're overplaying ourhand here. Last one I want
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to ask you about is something thatI don't have any real affiliation with,
and that's having an office crush.And it says office crushes are okay.
My office crushes with our our coffeemachine in the calf. Why our office
crush is going to be okay?Well? This is This was from the
New York Times. New York Timeshas an office advice column written by somebody
called Roxanne Gay and somebody said,I have a serious office crush on a
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co worker. Not a little crush, a huge crush quote far more than
anything I've felt in a long time. Now, the person said, I
know that work in romance don't mix. Have no idea if the other person
feels the same way. So whatshould I do? Well, first of
all, Jason, what would youdo? What would you advise someone who's
got an incredible office crush get anew job? Call HR? I don't
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know. I don't know that.I don't I'm staying away from this one.
I'm a middle aged white male.There's no way I have anything to
you. You know what, Yes, your opinion no longer matters about anything
apparently anyhow, rock sand said.Roxanne said, enjoy the fun parts of
the crush, the thrill when theguy walks in the room. Though in
general, romance doesn't wix with workand should definitely be avoided if there's a
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power imbalance. But other than that, this is what Roxanne said. A
crush is a healthy thing. Don'toverthink it. At the end of the
day, if he really really likethis person, why not shoot your shot.
The worst he can do is sayhe's not interested, which will hurt.
But you can handle it and haveinformation about how to proceed and if
he says yes to a date,well and if everything is possible. My
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thing is this my reaction as Janeis. But there's something about having the
crush and never acting on it whichis kind of fun too, Like he
got sort of a secret crush inyour footment. But then if you ask
somebody out, then it becomes thewhole thing. So I would say,
enjoy the thrill of the crush,but put a lid on it right on.
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I'm with you. That's good stagecoaching advice from Jane Wells. Thank
you so much. It's always apleasure to speak with you. Jane,
hope we could talk again soon.Take care that CNBC's and kafis Jane Wells.
President Biden is canceling his upcoming visitsto Australia and Papua New Guinea,
where he would have been the firstpresident to visit. That's due to ongoing
debt ceiling talks. Meantime, thePresident will still travel to Japan later today
(29:56):
to participate in the g se AnEconomic Summit. The legal status the abortion
pill myf apristone, will be thesubject of a court hearing today. A
three judge panel with the Fifth CircuitFederal Appeals Court will decide on the legal
status of the PILL, and theDepartment of Justice is charging a former Apple
(30:17):
employee was stealing autonomous technology on behalfof a Chinese self driving company. It's
five fifty on your wake up callit. ABC Tech reporter Mike Dubuski is
on the line. When chat gptlaunched late last year, and then Microsoft
rolled out a partnership with open aifor Internet searching earlier this year, the
world moved pretty much to the edgeof its collective seat. Mike, thanks
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for giving us some time this morning. Yeah, absolutely so. Sam Altman,
who is the CEO of open AIS, he mentioned there was before lawmakers
yesterday to answer questions about not justwhat this technology can do, but also
how it can be regulated. AndRichard Blumenthal is on the chair of this
particular Senate subcommittee. He actually kickedoff this hearing with piece of writing that
was actually written and voiced by chatGPT. So here's a little bit of
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what that sounded like. Too oftenwe have seen what happens when technology outpaces
regulation, the unbridled exploitation of personaldata, the proliferation of disinformation. Again
that was not Richard Blumenthal, thoughit sounded just like him, and sam
Altman was pretty clear eyed about someof the risks of this type of technology,
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and he brought with him some solutionshe thought. He suggested that lawmakers
could create a new government agency thatwould sort of act like a DMV for
AI, where they would issue licensesto start up companies, and if those
companies were to run a foul ofcertain government rules, then they could have
their licenses revoked and they could notdevelop the technology anymore. He also suggested
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some new tests that these companies coulddo on their AI system so that they
self replicate and ex filtrate into thewild, in other words, that they
don't go rogue and do things thatthe creators don't intend them to do.
Sam Alman also inviting audits by independentthird parties to sort of supplement the government's
work here. So a significant momentthat a big tech CEO appearing before Capitol
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Hill and saying, yes, comeregulate my industry. Yeah, Sam Altman,
the newest tech billionaire vying for TimesPerson of the Year already this year.
Look, Mike is ai AI isin a hype cycle. I keep
referencing it as the PC revolution,then the Internet revolution, and now we
have the AI revolution. Some smallones in there too, like the iPhone
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and the air fryer. But isum But are we covering this right?
There's a lot of clickbait headlines,is what I'm saying around AI. Do
you think that we're covering this right? You know, I think in the
tech journalism world, you're right thatthere is a concern that this is just
all hype and it's going to goaway in a year, and you know,
next year we're gonna be talking aboutsomething completely different. But I mean
it's important to take a step backand just recognize where we're at when it
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comes to the tech world right now. You and I have talked about this
before, Jason. The idea thatyou know, during the pandemic, you
know, it was it was agreat moment for the big tech world.
We were all spending you know,sixteen hours a day in front of our
computer screens. We were buying newthings, we were supplementing our home offices
with new tech. You know,things were really good. Now, as
the pandemic has sort of eased andpeople have gone back out into the world,
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the tech world needs a hit right, Like, there's all these layoffs
happening. The digital ad market isshrinking, We're reevaluating our relationship with social
media and other pieces of technology.So the facebooks and the Apples and the
Googles of the world all are lookingaround and saying, what's the next thing
that's going to get people really excited? Facebook now Meta thinks that's going to
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be the metaverse. Crypto was abig hype cycle as well, and that
you know, has been through apretty rough year. I think it's fair
to say, now AI is thisother thing, and you look at Microsoft
and Google hitching their their wagons tothis particular hype cycle, and that seems
to be a you know, alegitimizing factor that these big tech companies see
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this as a realistic, you know, future for the tech industry. And
it's not like it's necessarily going tobe one or the other. It can
be both, it can be noneof these things. But yeah, I
think I think it's important to lookaround and just kind of take in the
broader context because you know, it'sit's it's not like our phones change that
much any you know, every yearanymore, and it's not like you know,
social media is radically changing. Infact, you know, I think
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we're maybe reevaluating you know, howwe think about that sort of technology.
So I think that's the moment thatwe're in. Well, Mike, we've
got about five months of data sincechat GPT Open AI, Microsoft and being
Google and barred. Let's talk aboutwhere AI is being effective so far.
Has Microsoft made a dent in sharewhen it comes to Internet search when it
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comes to Google's monopoly, So no, I don't think yet when it comes
to you know, the search functionality, but I do think it's worth looking
back to last week Google Io,which was their developer conference. They showed
off a bunch of new hardware devices, you know, a folding pixel phone
and some new yeah, cheaper phoneand that sort of thing, but they
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also spend a fair amount of timetalking about the role of AI and their
technology. They introduced this new segmentof their company called Google Labs, where
we as just you know, laypeople, as average tech consumers, can
sign up and basically beta test whatGoogle is working on, to get a
kind of hands on look at someof the AI tech that they have,
you know, going on kind ofbehind the scenes. There's an AI music
(35:17):
generator that they're working on, forexample, But the one that I thought
was really really fascinating was called theSearch Generative Experience, where they are bringing
bard, which is their AI chatbot, a little bit closer to Google Search,
which is their core technology. Right. Google search has been pretty much
the same for about twenty years now, right, like the you go to
(35:38):
Google and it answers your question inthe form of a bunch of different links.
And Microsoft, as you alluded tothere, did seem to kind of
edge in on Google's territory by integratingAI into its search engine, bing saying
Okay, this is how we're goingto now challenge Google, being has been
a perennial also ran a second placeto Google, We're going to add in
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AI to maybe differentiate ourselves a littlebit more. Google when it rolled out
Barred introduced that chatbot as a separatewebsite, you know, distinct from its
its main you know, search engine. Now it's getting a little bit closer
to that core technology, and Ithink that's a really really significant move.
So yeah, I think in alot of ways, you know, people
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are talking about what's the future ofAI, I think a lot of it
is already here. Wow, that'suh. I'm glad that we're all kind
of covering it with with wide eyes. I do think that I think that
open sources is a big thing heretoo. And I do think that I
honestly think that the senators on CapitolHill should let their staffers ask some of
the questions when these tech guys getup on there. I think that I
think there's an age differentiation that isvery real, definitely, And you know,
(36:45):
the average age of a US congressperson, I believe is in their
late fifties. I think the Senate'seven a little bit older. I think
it's into the sixties. And youknow, we all remember when Jeff Bezos
and Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg,you know, appear before Apitol Hill.
Not only were they very combative hearings, they were also you know, sometimes
the lawmakers, you know, we'remaybe not the most informed. Maybe.
(37:07):
You know there's that exchange between Orand Hatch and Mark Zuckerberg in twenty eighteen
when he said, well, howdo you make money on Facebook? And
Zuckerberg rather incredulously said, well,Sunder, we run ads. I think
we have come a little further alongsince then. You know, maybe the
staffing of certain lawmakers has gotten alittle bit more tech educated. Although it's
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worth mentioning too that I spoke toum Neil Chilson, who is the former
chief technologist at the FTC yesterday andhe said, you know, it's worth
the lawmakers maybe taking a step back, maybe taking a pause on rushing into
legislating this and making sure that theyunderstand the technology fully as well. So
you know, it's a fair amountof work to be done on that front.
(37:50):
But it's also maybe speaks just howcomplex this issue is. ABC Tech
reporter Mike Dubuski. Always a pleasure. Thank you so much for your time
twice this week, Maybe one moretime later this week. Sure, yeah,
all right, take care takes Thanksa lot, Mike. Okay,
bye, Hey, before we getto the top of the hour, the
best part of waking up really maybe folders in your cup. Two out
of three people surveyed by market researchcompany One Pole say a steaming hot cup
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of coffee is their go to firstdrink of the day. Fifty nine percent
say coffee is the first thing theyreach for when they get to the office.
Almost half say ice coffee is agood way to start the work day,
followed by water at forty five percentin flavored water at thirty percent.
Three out of four survey'd say ittakes two or more cups of Joe before
they really start to feel productive.All that coffee adds up to averaging over
six dollars for each coffee run,with an average of three and a half
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trips a week, buying an averageof two and a half drinks on each
run, that's twenty eight hundred fiftyfive dollars a year. Amy King KFI
News Southern California weather from KFI lowclouds and fog in the morning and then
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they're both at fifty seven degrees.We lead local live from the KFI
twenty four hour Newsroom. I'm JasonMiddleton. This has been your wake up
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Call for Wednesday, May seventeenth.I am in for Jennifer Jones Lee all
this week. My name is JasonMiddleton. Today is Mushroom Hunting Day.
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If you celebrate, you can celebratein a different way in Oregon and Colorado,
where it's decriminalized to have magic mushroomsaround Oakland, San Francisco, Santa
Cruz. Here in the Golden Stateas well, and apparently one dispensary in
La County. I read that storylast night when I was prepping for today's
show, as stories in the LaTimes. I was in the Bay Area
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before moving back to Los Angeles.I was gone for twelve years. Came
back because I missed it. Butwhen I was up there, I was
covering many things, but I coveredScott Wiener, State Senator. Then he
was not in the state House,he was in the Assembly. He has
a Senate Bill fifty eight, whichwould decriminalize psychedelic mushrooms here in California as
well. Just saying it's National MushroomHunting Day. So I thought I'd just
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surfaced some of that. Also,this hour, we're going to have more
than a couple of takes on artificialintelligence. I've been covering tech a long
time as well, and artificial intelligenceis something that's touching all parts of the
economy and society. And the CEOand founder of open Ai, which created
the chat GPT bolt on that theypartnered with Microsoft and Bing, was on
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Capitol Hill yesterday. So we're goingto be reviewing some of that. But
first we have a few quick headlinesas we get going this morning. President
Biden is canceling his upcoming visits toAustralia and Papua New Guinea due to ongoing
debt ceiling talks. Meantime, thePresident will still travel to Japan later today
to participate in the G seven economicSummit. The legal status of the abortion
(01:56):
pill mifipristone will be the subject ofa court hearing today. A re judge
panel with the Fifth Circuit Federal AppealsCourt will decide on the legal status of
the pill, which was used inover half of the recent abortions in the
US. The court has jurisdiction overTexas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, the
Department of Justice is charging a formerApple employee was stealing autonomous technology on behalf
(02:21):
of a Chinese self driving car company, Wibau. Lang worked as a software
engineer and was among two percent ofApple employees who had access to proprietary databases.
That comes from a special task forcewithin the Department of Justice, as
this trade war with China between Chinaand the United States continues to crank up.
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In just a few minutes, we'regoing to talk with ABC's White House
correspondent Carrying Travers about those debt ceilingand possible default negotiations that are going on
in Washington. We're gonna start withsome more stories coming out of the KFI
twenty four hour newsroom. Though HuntingtonBeach has withdrawn from the OC Power Authority,
leaving only Buena Park, Fullerton andIrvine as members of the Clean Energy
(03:05):
Agency. Huntington Beach mayor Tony Stricklandsays there have been too many issues.
There's not many organizations that have hadthis lack of transparency, unqualified leadership,
and the audience and the grand juryreports, whistle blower complaints, and again,
this is a relatively new organization.The OCPA says it's already fixed eighty
percent of the issues listed in audits, with one hundred percent compliance promised by
(03:28):
summer. The agency says withdrawing nowonly hurts low income homeowners and small businesses
that need the agency's two percent cheaperrates. A preliminary hearing is scheduled for
a man accused of abducting his exgirlfriend in Riverside County and holding her hostage
using a fake handgun. The manis charged with kidnapping, false imprisonment,
(03:49):
and other charges for the alleged crimes. Last week. The man has pleaded
not guilty. The hearing Friday willdetermine whether there is enough evidence to go
to trial. A professional bee rescuerin Ontario says the last thing you want
to do with a swarm of beesis swat at them. Eli Barkanov says,
if you do, the bees readit as an attack. In that
(04:11):
situation, you want to stay ascalm as possible, even like hold your
breath, because the carbon dioxide thatwe emit it aggravates the bees. Barkanov
is best known as Eli the BeeGuy, and to prove his point,
he had me stand in the middleof a swarm yesterday, and yes,
dozens of bees landed on me,bumped my forehead, face and neck,
and I slowly walked away without gettingstung. The first instinct is to start
(04:31):
swatting them like like they were fliesor something exactly. Yeah, and that's
that's the biggest mistake. That's whenthey feel threatened. And if they feel
threatened, well, they're going todefend themselves. He says. The guy
who was seen on video in EncinoMonday should have never swatted at the bees
in Ontario. Steve Gregory King,if I knows. On the KFI live
line, we have ABC House Correspondent, White House Correspondent, and House correspondent.
(04:54):
I get, I don't. Washingtond DC is carried travers Hi Karen
Learning, I'll take all of it. Sorry about that. Hey, how
is the tone coming out of Howwas the tone coming out of yesterday's meeting
about this looming X date of possibledefault. Yeah. So the President said
that the meeting yesterday with Kevin McCarthyand other congressional leaders was good and productive.
(05:17):
Chuck Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader, said that it was much more
cordial than the meeting the week before. Everybody was more pleasant and there was
more agreement that the default is notan option, And even Kevin McCarthy said
that, you know, while hethinks the two sides are still not very
close, but they're far apart,he did think that the structure for negotiations
(05:42):
had improved and there was a betterkind of base scenario right now because those
senior officials on both sides being taskedwith negotiating for the next couple of days,
so, you know, odd glimmersof optimism, while at the same
time reality saying, well, we'restill pretty far apart. So now they
will get down to work for thenext couple of days. They started already
last night with meeting right away,continuing it today at that senior staff level,
(06:06):
and the President today heads off toJapan for the g seventh Summit for
a couple of days. But notablyhe has cut that Asia trip short,
not going to Papa New Guinea,not going to Australia, so he can
be back in Washington for what hecalled final negotiation. Okay, so negotiations
leveled up yesterday. You mentioned Biden'sitinerary changed. Is that is that a
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big deal or is that just kindof collateral damage during this process. You
know, it's always a potential whena president travels overseas that there could be
something that brings him back, butusually they try to keep a schedule because
there is a lot that goes intoplanning an overseas trip, especially one that
takes them all the way to Australia. He would have been the first president
to go to Papa New Guinea,so that's very significant, and they really
(06:48):
did not want to cancel that.So I think it's very significant that they
have cut short this trip. Thatshows how important it was for the president
to be back here in Washington nextweek to have these in person meetings.
But I do think it's notable thathe called it final negotiations. He didn't
say he was coming back to continuetalks with Kevin McCarthy to keep ongoing negotiations
(07:12):
going. He said it was finaland they still confident. Then by the
time he gets back, they're goingto be in that position to push this
across the finish line. It seemsbefore yesterday's negotiation, the meeting at the
White House, at least there weresome incomes when it comes to incoming things.
When it comes to other unrelated politicsto budget and like immigration came up
on the GOP side. Our movinggoalposts out of the way now, is
(07:36):
it seems like everybody's focused on thedebt ceiling and the X date. Yes,
I mean yes, but also budgetissues are of course a part of
this, and you know, wedon't know exactly what is going to end
up in this final agreement. Theyall said yesterday they're not going to negotiate
this in public. We know acouple of things that are on the table
include climbing back some of the unspentCOVID funding that that's worth, some of
(07:59):
the cuts and spending cuts could bedone that there could be some issues on
streamlining opponents and regulations on energy projects, and also Republicans looking to try and
make some tougher restrictions on federal aidprograms. But otherwise they all were very
clear yesterday we're not going to negotiatethis in public, and they were not
going to get into the nuts andbolts of what they talked about. Karen,
(08:22):
thank you for your time this morning. I hope we can talk later
this week. I have a greatday. That was ABC White House Correspondent
Karen Travers. Let's get back tosome of the stories coming out of the
KFI twenty four hour news room.The La City Council has decided against formally
asking the city planner to stop ahotel from being built in Benedict Canyon.
The motion failed on a seven toseven split. People showed up to yesterday
(08:43):
city council meeting to both support andprotest the hotel. This man says,
the hotel does not belong in BenedictCanyon. We have a party house problem
in the canyon. This is apermanent party house twenty four to seven.
The hotel's developers says guests would notbe parting loud because the hotel would have
noise restrictions. The hotel at handwould be home to fifty nine rooms.
Eight single family homes would also siton the more than thirty two acre property
(09:07):
in La Blake Trolley k if INews. Executives from Silicon Valley Bank and
Signature Bank have appeared before the SenateBanking Committee for a hearing on the bank's
failures. Committee chair Sharad Brown stead, in his opening statement, the banks
were fatally mismanaged and executives put shortterm profits ahead of everything else. The
same answer we find to most questionsabout big bank failures because the executives who
(09:31):
are getting rich. Brown says theexecutives were paying out bonuses up until the
hours before regulators seized their assets.The head of the artificial intelligence company that
makes chat GPT has told Congress governmentintervention will be critical to mitigating the risks
of increasingly powerful AI systems. Ithink if this technology goes wrong, it
(09:52):
can go quite wrong, and wewant to be vocal about that. We
want to work with the government tothat from happening. Open AICEO Sam Altman
testified yesterday at a Senate hearing.His startup got the public's attention when it
released chat GPT late last year.Lawmakers expressed concerns about the ability of generative
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AI tools to mislead people, spreadfalsehoods, violate copyright protections, and upend
the job market. This is anotherrevolution in the tech sector. You think
about it, you go back tothe PC revolution in the Internet revolution,
and now we have the AI revolution, and we have Jane Wells and Mike
ebusculated this hour to help us getour arms around some of this. Pro
choice activists have rallied around, ralliedoutside North Carolina's capital over an abortion band
(10:37):
that passed despite the governor's veto.Republicans in the state House and Senate work
together to override Governor Roy Cooper's veto. Yesterday, Cooper only needed one Republican
to vote against the party to keepthe abortion laws intact. This woman says
she's been fighting against the bill formonths and for it to turn so quickly
was overwhelming. We're not done.We're upset right now. We're going to
(10:58):
collect ourselves and we're gonna gather,but this is not over. The twelve
week abortion band goes into effect Julyfirst. It has exceptions for medical emergencies,
cases of rape and incest, andlife limiting fetal anomalies. Officials in
China have sent crews to search forthirty nine crew members of a fishing boat
that capsized in the middle of theIndian Ocean. Chinese media reports the accident
(11:18):
happened early yesterday with a crew thatincludes seventeen from China, seventeen from Indonesia,
and five from the Philippines. Chinais believed to operate the world's largest
fishing fleet. Many of them stayat sea for months or even years at
a time. At five thirty five. It's Biz Bite Wednesday, so Jane
Wells will join us. She's fromCNBC and from KFI. Jane is bringing
some news on the often teased,never delivered or not yet cybertruck from Tesla.
(11:43):
So we'll do this week in elonmusk. Jane has a take on
AI as well, But right nowlet's welcome in Rich DeMuro Riches, the
tech reporter at KTLA here in LosAngeles and more importantly has a Saturday show
here on KFI as well. Goodmorning Rich, Hey, Good morning Hugh
Jason. Good to talk to you. An AI founder Sam Altman telling Congress
that AI regulation is essential. Sowhat was your hot take on what you
(12:05):
saw yesterday? Well, I thinkthat everyone is sort of agreeing that this
is a place that needs to belooked at. Now. The regulations are
going to be tricky because it's atechnology that is ever changing and we're not
really sure what it's capable of,and we also don't want to stop the
progress of this. So I thinkit's a very tricky place. But everyone
(12:28):
that's involved in it sort of agreesthat, yeah, there are definitely some
downsides to this that we need tobe very aware of, especially as AI
evolves gets smarter. And the thingI think most people are concerned about is
when they start building robots with generativeAI that starts to think for themselves.
Yeah, I agree. Do youthink that do you get the tone that
(12:52):
we learned from past missteps when itcomes to regulation and technological advances. Well,
that's a tough fun because I thinkthat what happened with like Google and
Microsoft and all these other companies thatyou know, the web one point zero
companies, they were left unchecked.You know, everyone celebrated their existence,
they celebrated what these companies were ableto do, But the reality is they
(13:13):
were able to grow in a waythat was just sort of unchecked in any
way. And that's good because theywere able to get big. But it's
bad because now we're seeing the resultsof that. So I think that people
don't want a rehash of that.But at the same time, there are
so many benefits this artificial intelligence technologyfor so many different business lines that people
(13:35):
want this to happen. But wejust wanted to happen in a safe way
that doesn't also ruin everything else aboutour lives. I know that I have
to ask myself this every week formy show. I listen to your show,
you have to mention AI as well. Are we given this the proper
amount of scope? Do you think? Is it too much coverage to little
coverage? What's your hot take onthat one? Oh? I mean I
could make my entire three hour showabout AI every single week. It is
(14:00):
the biggest thing happening in our lifetimeat this point. We saw the Internet
happen, we saw evs happen,We've seen a lot of change in the
technology, you know, things likemobile phones. But this changes everything because
like we saw the Internet built intoevery device, including coffee cups, we're
going to see AI built into everysingle industry in this world. There is
(14:24):
nothing that it will not touch,and so it is big and it's everything.
So I think we're not. Imean, I think if we're giving
it the right amount of attention,I don't even think we have begun to
understand the capabilities of this just yet. All right, well, thank you
for reinforcing my take on it aswell. And if we're as long as
we're hour measuring, yours is threehours, minds two hours on Sundays.
Okay, Web one point zero let'sgo to Google. It's going to start
(14:46):
auto deleting accounts that haven't been usedin a while. I haven't seen this
one yet. What's going on?Yeah, this is uh, you know.
Google says that look, if anaccount is sitting there dormant, hackers
can get into it much easier anduse it to spread malicious things software,
emails, whatever. So they haven'treally done this before, but they are
going to start deleting accounts that havenot been used in two years. So
(15:09):
if you open up an email accounta couple of years ago you forgot about
it, they will delete that startingDecember twenty twenty three. Now keep in
mind, this is going to bea slow, gradual thing. They're not
just gonna go ahead and delete everythingautomatically the first day. They're going to
start with accounts that were opened andnever used again. So you know,
you might have opened it back inthe day when Gmail first came out and
(15:30):
then he said, ah, nevermind, and he never used it.
And they're going to do this slowlyunlike a lot of other services. This
is also important. They're not goingto put that email address back out there.
So if you have an email addressand they close that account, someone
else will not be able to claimthat email, which is nice. Yeah,
to keep in mind, this doesaffect Gmail Docs, Drive Meat Calendar,
(15:52):
YouTube, Google Photos. The onlything is if you have a YouTube
account and you have a video uploadedto it, they will not delete that
count because a lot of times that'skind of for posterity reasons. If this
is a security concern, why arethey waiting until December to do it to
start diffrun? Well, I thinkthis is the first time they've done this
in a big way, and sothey want to make sure they do it
right. Because Google is a bigcompany. A lot of people have data
(16:15):
saved with Google. And look,I mean Google still has a lot of
security. You know, they havea lot of security precautions in place that
work today. This will just kindof increase that as we see more fishing
and all that stuff happening. Thatmakes sense. Okay, let's move over
to Apple because this kind of tiesinto AI a little bit, and that
is I had Joanna Stearn on myshow and you've I believe you've talked about
(16:38):
this too the Wall Street Journal whereshe trained AI to use her voice and
her picture in order to try tofake identify herself or other places. Apple
is going to introduce an assistive feature. What's up with this one? Yeah,
so this is for Global Accessibility AwarenessDay, which is tomorrow. Apple
showed off a whole bunch of newaccessibility features. I think they're really a
(17:00):
leader in this area, making phonesaccessible and usable by everyone, no matter
what your abilities are, and sothey've already been really good about this,
but now they're introducing a whole bunchof new stuff. The one that you're
talking about is called Personal Voice.So you spend fifteen minutes on your phone
reading a whole bunch of different phrases, and then your phone will recreate your
(17:22):
voice. And so what's that goodfor. It's not for what Joanna was
using it for. It's really form, you know, anyone who may be
at risk of losing their speech dueto some sort of disability, so for
instance als and so this will enableyou to speak even though your voice box
no longer works. But of coursemany many people will be trying this out
(17:45):
just for the curiosity factor to see, and that's not the only feature.
They're also making a very simple phonescreen, so all the apps are very
big, buttons very simple to usemight be good for you know, Grandma,
grandpa, that kind of stuff,but also folks that have different disabilities.
And so I think that they're doinga real lot in this area and
(18:07):
these things are coming later this year. This is part of Apple's corporate DNA.
Going back to Steve Jobs, ina lot of ways, he wanted
the watch and other features to behealth oriented. Am I mis remembering that?
Well, it's interesting when the watchfirst came out, it was really
more app oriented, and now ithas become a force with fitness because they
(18:29):
realized that people didn't really care aboutchecking Instagram on their phone or getting an
Uber sorry from their watch, andso they have really tripled down for the
watch on health and also with thephone. So now, by the way,
when they came out with Apple Fitness, you had to have an Apple
Watch and they said it was required, and then all of a sudden a
year later, they said, oh, never mind, you can just use
your phone now. So if youhaven't tried Apple Fitness in a while,
(18:51):
you can use just your iPhone.You don't even need an Apple Watch anymore.
But yeah, Apple is really movingahead in accessibility and fitness in a
big way. We didn't have thatthis one slated. Rich I just want
to ask you a hot take roleon Apple classical music. Have you seen
any feedback on that one? Isit positive? Negative? Or is it
nobody really noticing yet? I'm nothearing a lot about it, but I
(19:11):
used it for a bit and Ithought it was actually really neat, and
I think that if you are intoclassical music, or even if you're not,
it's a really neat way to rediscoverthat genre because Apple did a lot
of work, as they typically doin you know, recreating artwork and recataloging
all of these tunes, and socheck it out. I mean, it's
(19:33):
included if you have Apple Music.So the only thing is it's not offline.
You can't like listen to it ona plane because you can't download the
music. You have to listen toit streaming for some odd reason, I'm
not really sure. Okay, cool, Well, thanks for that update.
And I didn't mean to bring thaton you, but it just just popped
in my mind. We're talking aboutApple. I thought i'd bring that one
up because it's kind of new.Yeah, sure, rich to mur here
for you, Jason. Thanks richRichard Murrow, of course, is a
(19:56):
tech reporter at KTLA, but hehis show was on satur Days here on
KFI, a three hour block withRich Rich Thanks for your time this morning.
All right, Jason, have agreat day. Thank you. Let's
get back to some of the storiescoming out of the KFI twenty four hour
news room. The West Hollywood CityCouncil has voted to add four LA County
Sheriff's deputies to the city to helpaddress rising crime. The council last summer
(20:17):
voted to remove four deputies, replacingthem with unarmed security ambassadors to patrol the
streets. One local resident says WestHollywood is home to many people in the
LGBTQ community, making it a targetedarea for crimes. Seeing the security ambassadors
and videos that are like viral online, just standing there and letting things happen
just perpetuates the other residents say,people who know there will be no repercussions
(20:40):
for their actions will continue to burglarizeand rob the community. The city said
Monday they are willing to add moreofficers in the future in West Hollywood.
Chris Adler KFI News Right now onwake Up Call, we have Jane Wells
on the line for a biz bitebreakfast chat. We're gonna get the AI
soon. Good morning, Jane,We're gonna start. I'd like to start
with Silicon Value Bank. Could please? So AI was not the only thing
(21:02):
on Capitol Hill yesterday. No.No. The former CEO of Silicon Valley
Bank, Gregory Becker. It's thefirst time he's spoken publicly since the bank
failed, and he basically said itwas everybody's fault. Everybody else's fault,
not his. He said he feltterribly sorry that the bank failed, but
that you know, the FEDS startedraising rates after promising to keep rates low
(21:25):
for the foreseeable future, and youknow, he was caught off guard.
And then people started worrying about thebank on social media, and that caused
to run on the bank. Youknow, it went on and on and
on. He was blaming the board, blaming depositors, and finally a senator
said, hey, is any ofthis your fault? And he paused for
a while and he said, youknow, I can't really think of anything
(21:45):
I did wrong. Well, youknow, Jason, maybe if the bank
had not gone for months and monthswithout someone in charge of risk management,
or maybe if the bank had startedchanging its capital strategy when it became clear
the Feds we're going to continue raisingrates. I mean, there are a
bunch your regional banks that didn't tank, and Silicon Valley Bank did and he
really took no responsibility for it atall. Yeah, changing capital strategy or
(22:10):
you know, reading John Ford's newsletterfrom six months ago that he called it
out. And I know he's acolleague of yours at CNBC. I used
to work with him when I wasin the Bay Area as great. So
yeah, I mean, you're right, it was this was mismanagement. It
sounds like the buck didn't stop atthe CEO desk. The buck just got
bought up by JP Morgan Chase anotherwell, you know, one senator said
(22:32):
his story sounded a lot like youknow, you're telling me the dog ate
my homework. Now, if anyoneelse is to blame, you could blame
the FED in part for not payingattention, because it's supposed to be regulating
the bank and it was asleep atthe wheel. But it was just a
strange, you know how these CEOscan be, and this was one of
those where the guy just wasn't reallyreading the room. Yeah, exactly.
(22:53):
And the FED did do some selfreflection when it comes to it's yes enforcement
as well. So j Powell willhave his time on the hill pretty soon
too. You mentioned CEOs. Let'sstay with one. Let's do this week
in Elon Musk. Elon says thecyber truck is really truly coming this year,
honest, it says, And doyou think that's really truly honest?
Well do you, Jason? Imean you know the guy's history on predictions
(23:18):
and timelines. He first, Ithink the cyber truck. He had a
shareholder meeting yesterday, which, bythe way, I don't know if you've
ever covered shareholder meetings, but thereI love them to actually go to one
when you can, because people whowho you'd only have to own one share
to be able to go to theshareholder meeting and stand up and get the
microphone and ask the CEO something andlike one guy was there dressed as a
(23:40):
robot wearing a cowboy hat and askedsomething about you know, are you going
to make an RV? But Elon, among many things yesterday said that yes,
the cyber truck is really coming laterthis year. He also predicted that
once they start production, they'll sellbetween two hundred and fifty and five hundred
thousand a year. Okay, andyou know we're still waiting on the roadster
(24:00):
in the Semi, which were promised, you know, originally back in twenty
seventeen. So oh and one otherthing, he said, the Model Why
is going to be the best sellingcar on Earth in twenty twenty three.
So I don't know. If Iwere taking one side of the bet,
i'd probably short the prediction. Yeah, but he is saying the cyber truck's
really coming. Look, I knowElon gets a lot of binary responses.
(24:23):
I understand that, but CEO forhim is cheerleader, executive officer in a
lot of ways. And remember whenhe when he was putting when you put
the Semi on stage, there wasa there was a mishap on the on
the prototype launch as well. Soyeah, but to your point, I
don't go to shareholder meetings anymore.I'd kind of just do the earnings calls
and just kind of lay back andlet them talk. But uh, but
that does sound entertaining with with Elon. Yeah, I mean, don't forget.
(24:45):
Oh you said you mentioned the ModelWhy. I just wanted to point
out that an idea about Muskie isS three x Y. He wanted it.
He couldn't get the Model E fromMercedes because he wanted all of his
models A spell sexy. Oh you'rekidding. Oh you're kidding. I didn't
know that. That is so typical. It's right. Let's move on to
chat GPT because they were. SamAlban was on Capitol Hall yesterday. I'd
(25:07):
love to get your take on himtrying to get in front of regulation.
Did we learn a lesson from pastlike PC revolutions, Internet revolutions? Are
we in front of AI? Ohno, we're not in front of AI.
We're never in front of these nextthings, and certainly Congress never is
because Congress, I mean, look, you've got Diane Feinstein as a senator,
So no way, we're not.This is this is something we need
to pay attention to. I dothink there were a couple of things interesting
(25:30):
that came out of that. SamAltman saying that we need to do this,
you know, with some precision,and that maybe we need to have
new models of AI A registered andhave to go through testing before they're released,
and the woman who's the head ofsecurity at IBM Privacy was saying things
that were very good I thought likethere needs to be transparency that if you're
using AI, there needs to besomething that tells you you're not interacting with
(25:55):
a human. But I have totell you, Jason. For the last
couple of weeks, I've been talkingto chief financial officers at companies big and
small, publican private, all overthe West, and to a person to
a company they are using AI.They want to roll out more generative AI.
They want to do it for avariety of reasons. It's so fast,
(26:15):
it makes operations so efficient, laboris still tight, and this can
replace a lot of people, andfrankly, you know, it can replace
people that they that they do haveand save money. So this is something
that they are all saying, thisis the next big thing. Now we've
heard that about other things, true, but like the cybertruck. But this
(26:38):
is the thing since the Internet that'sgoing to revolutionize everything, and we don't
know what we don't know. Ithink the question is, you know,
if they can have an AI.Jennifer Jones lee that AI will never go
on vacation, you won't need tobe filling in. It doesn't need health
(26:59):
insurance. And at a certain pointcan the AI Jennifer Jonesley or Jason Middleton
or Jane Wells write stories that soundalmost real. I don't know about you,
but when I read certain news stories, particularly about earnings, I can
tell that was generated by an algorithm. I can tell still that it was
(27:22):
not written by a human. Butthat is going to get more and more
difficult to discern. I think Ithink I'm definitely with you on that,
and especially with voice. And wejust talked to Richard Murrow about Apple's feature
about recording voice. Now that's that'sfor a different health purpose or a disability
purpose. But at the same time, you know it's coming. It's quick,
and I don't think we're overplaying ourhand here. Last one I want
(27:44):
to ask you about is something thatI don't have any real affiliation with,
and that's having an office crush.And it says office crushes are okay.
My office crushes with our our coffeemachine in the calf. Why our office
crush is going to be okay?Well? This is This was from the
New York Times. New York Timeshas an office advice column written by somebody
called Roxanne Gay and somebody said,I have a serious office crush on a
(28:07):
co worker. Not a little crush, a huge crush quote far more than
anything I've felt in a long time. Now, the person said, I
know that work in romance don't mix. Have no idea if the other person
feels the same way. So whatshould I do? Well, first of
all, Jason, what would youdo? What would you advise someone who's
got an incredible office crush get anew job? Call HR? I don't
(28:27):
know. I don't know that.I don't I'm staying away from this one.
I'm a middle aged white male.There's no way I have anything to
you. You know what, Yes, your opinion no longer matters about anything
apparently anyhow, rock sand said.Roxanne said, enjoy the fun parts of
the crush, the thrill when theguy walks in the room. Though in
general, romance doesn't wix with workand should definitely be avoided if there's a
(28:49):
power imbalance. But other than that, this is what Roxanne said. A
crush is a healthy thing. Don'toverthink it. At the end of the
day, if he really really likethis person, why not shoot your shot.
The worst he can do is sayhe's not interested, which will hurt.
But you can handle it and haveinformation about how to proceed and if
he says yes to a date,well and if everything is possible. My
(29:11):
thing is this my reaction as Janeis. But there's something about having the
crush and never acting on it whichis kind of fun too, Like he
got sort of a secret crush inyour footment. But then if you ask
somebody out, then it becomes thewhole thing. So I would say,
enjoy the thrill of the crush,but put a lid on it right on.
(29:33):
I'm with you. That's good stagecoaching advice from Jane Wells. Thank
you so much. It's always apleasure to speak with you. Jane,
hope we could talk again soon.Take care that CNBC's and kafis Jane Wells.
President Biden is canceling his upcoming visitsto Australia and Papua New Guinea,
where he would have been the firstpresident to visit. That's due to ongoing
debt ceiling talks. Meantime, thePresident will still travel to Japan later today
(29:56):
to participate in the g se AnEconomic Summit. The legal status the abortion
pill myf apristone, will be thesubject of a court hearing today. A
three judge panel with the Fifth CircuitFederal Appeals Court will decide on the legal
status of the PILL, and theDepartment of Justice is charging a former Apple
(30:17):
employee was stealing autonomous technology on behalfof a Chinese self driving company. It's
five fifty on your wake up callit. ABC Tech reporter Mike Dubuski is
on the line. When chat gptlaunched late last year, and then Microsoft
rolled out a partnership with open aifor Internet searching earlier this year, the
world moved pretty much to the edgeof its collective seat. Mike, thanks
(30:40):
for giving us some time this morning. Yeah, absolutely so. Sam Altman,
who is the CEO of open AIS, he mentioned there was before lawmakers
yesterday to answer questions about not justwhat this technology can do, but also
how it can be regulated. AndRichard Blumenthal is on the chair of this
particular Senate subcommittee. He actually kickedoff this hearing with piece of writing that
was actually written and voiced by chatGPT. So here's a little bit of
(31:04):
what that sounded like. Too oftenwe have seen what happens when technology outpaces
regulation, the unbridled exploitation of personaldata, the proliferation of disinformation. Again
that was not Richard Blumenthal, thoughit sounded just like him, and sam
Altman was pretty clear eyed about someof the risks of this type of technology,
(31:25):
and he brought with him some solutionshe thought. He suggested that lawmakers
could create a new government agency thatwould sort of act like a DMV for
AI, where they would issue licensesto start up companies, and if those
companies were to run a foul ofcertain government rules, then they could have
their licenses revoked and they could notdevelop the technology anymore. He also suggested
(31:45):
some new tests that these companies coulddo on their AI system so that they
self replicate and ex filtrate into thewild, in other words, that they
don't go rogue and do things thatthe creators don't intend them to do.
Sam Alman also inviting audits by independentthird parties to sort of supplement the government's
work here. So a significant momentthat a big tech CEO appearing before Capitol
(32:07):
Hill and saying, yes, comeregulate my industry. Yeah, Sam Altman,
the newest tech billionaire vying for TimesPerson of the Year already this year.
Look, Mike is ai AI isin a hype cycle. I keep
referencing it as the PC revolution,then the Internet revolution, and now we
have the AI revolution. Some smallones in there too, like the iPhone
(32:27):
and the air fryer. But isum But are we covering this right?
There's a lot of clickbait headlines,is what I'm saying around AI. Do
you think that we're covering this right? You know, I think in the
tech journalism world, you're right thatthere is a concern that this is just
all hype and it's going to goaway in a year, and you know,
next year we're gonna be talking aboutsomething completely different. But I mean
it's important to take a step backand just recognize where we're at when it
(32:51):
comes to the tech world right now. You and I have talked about this
before, Jason. The idea thatyou know, during the pandemic, you
know, it was it was agreat moment for the big tech world.
We were all spending you know,sixteen hours a day in front of our
computer screens. We were buying newthings, we were supplementing our home offices
with new tech. You know,things were really good. Now, as
the pandemic has sort of eased andpeople have gone back out into the world,
(33:13):
the tech world needs a hit right, Like, there's all these layoffs
happening. The digital ad market isshrinking, We're reevaluating our relationship with social
media and other pieces of technology.So the facebooks and the Apples and the
Googles of the world all are lookingaround and saying, what's the next thing
that's going to get people really excited? Facebook now Meta thinks that's going to
(33:34):
be the metaverse. Crypto was abig hype cycle as well, and that
you know, has been through apretty rough year. I think it's fair
to say, now AI is thisother thing, and you look at Microsoft
and Google hitching their their wagons tothis particular hype cycle, and that seems
to be a you know, alegitimizing factor that these big tech companies see
(33:55):
this as a realistic, you know, future for the tech industry. And
it's not like it's necessarily going tobe one or the other. It can
be both, it can be noneof these things. But yeah, I
think I think it's important to lookaround and just kind of take in the
broader context because you know, it'sit's it's not like our phones change that
much any you know, every yearanymore, and it's not like you know,
social media is radically changing. Infact, you know, I think
(34:16):
we're maybe reevaluating you know, howwe think about that sort of technology.
So I think that's the moment thatwe're in. Well, Mike, we've
got about five months of data sincechat GPT Open AI, Microsoft and being
Google and barred. Let's talk aboutwhere AI is being effective so far.
Has Microsoft made a dent in sharewhen it comes to Internet search when it
(34:36):
comes to Google's monopoly, So no, I don't think yet when it comes
to you know, the search functionality, but I do think it's worth looking
back to last week Google Io,which was their developer conference. They showed
off a bunch of new hardware devices, you know, a folding pixel phone
and some new yeah, cheaper phoneand that sort of thing, but they
(34:57):
also spend a fair amount of timetalking about the role of AI and their
technology. They introduced this new segmentof their company called Google Labs, where
we as just you know, laypeople, as average tech consumers, can
sign up and basically beta test whatGoogle is working on, to get a
kind of hands on look at someof the AI tech that they have,
you know, going on kind ofbehind the scenes. There's an AI music
(35:17):
generator that they're working on, forexample, But the one that I thought
was really really fascinating was called theSearch Generative Experience, where they are bringing
bard, which is their AI chatbot, a little bit closer to Google Search,
which is their core technology. Right. Google search has been pretty much
the same for about twenty years now, right, like the you go to
(35:38):
Google and it answers your question inthe form of a bunch of different links.
And Microsoft, as you alluded tothere, did seem to kind of
edge in on Google's territory by integratingAI into its search engine, bing saying
Okay, this is how we're goingto now challenge Google, being has been
a perennial also ran a second placeto Google, We're going to add in
(36:02):
AI to maybe differentiate ourselves a littlebit more. Google when it rolled out
Barred introduced that chatbot as a separatewebsite, you know, distinct from its
its main you know, search engine. Now it's getting a little bit closer
to that core technology, and Ithink that's a really really significant move.
So yeah, I think in alot of ways, you know, people
(36:22):
are talking about what's the future ofAI, I think a lot of it
is already here. Wow, that'suh. I'm glad that we're all kind
of covering it with with wide eyes. I do think that I think that
open sources is a big thing heretoo. And I do think that I
honestly think that the senators on CapitolHill should let their staffers ask some of
the questions when these tech guys getup on there. I think that I
think there's an age differentiation that isvery real, definitely, And you know,
(36:45):
the average age of a US congressperson, I believe is in their
late fifties. I think the Senate'seven a little bit older. I think
it's into the sixties. And youknow, we all remember when Jeff Bezos
and Jack Dorsey and Mark Zuckerberg,you know, appear before Apitol Hill.
Not only were they very combative hearings, they were also you know, sometimes
the lawmakers, you know, we'remaybe not the most informed. Maybe.
(37:07):
You know there's that exchange between Orand Hatch and Mark Zuckerberg in twenty eighteen
when he said, well, howdo you make money on Facebook? And
Zuckerberg rather incredulously said, well,Sunder, we run ads. I think
we have come a little further alongsince then. You know, maybe the
staffing of certain lawmakers has gotten alittle bit more tech educated. Although it's
(37:29):
worth mentioning too that I spoke toum Neil Chilson, who is the former
chief technologist at the FTC yesterday andhe said, you know, it's worth
the lawmakers maybe taking a step back, maybe taking a pause on rushing into
legislating this and making sure that theyunderstand the technology fully as well. So
you know, it's a fair amountof work to be done on that front.
(37:50):
But it's also maybe speaks just howcomplex this issue is. ABC Tech
reporter Mike Dubuski. Always a pleasure. Thank you so much for your time
twice this week, Maybe one moretime later this week. Sure, yeah,
all right, take care takes Thanksa lot, Mike. Okay,
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