May 15, 2023 • 38 mins
Aaron Katersky- Buffalo Remembers Tops shooting victims, one year later
Em Nguyen- At the White House: Debt celing talks to continue this week
Steve Roberts- The ethics of covering Trump
John Cohen- Update from the border after end of Title 42
Em Nguyen- At the White House: Debt celing talks to continue this week
Steve Roberts- The ethics of covering Trump
John Cohen- Update from the border after end of Title 42
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Hey, it's Jennifer Jones Lee.You're listening to KFI, a M six
forty wake up call on demand onthe iHeartRadio app. My name is Jason
Middleton. This is your wake upcall. Like I said, Monday,
May fifteenth, Mother's Day yesterday,if you celebrate, Hope it went well.
I was talking to my mom alittle bit and she saw the Jane
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Fonda movie. I think that thatwas probably She's not unique in that,
but I'm glad that she got outand did some stuff over the weekend.
Also, Google, Google had itsbig conference last week, its Developer Conference
and artificial intelligence, which has beenpretty much every other headline since about January.
Google kicked that ball down the roadpretty hard and it looks like investors
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are responding. So today Open aiis the name of that and it's CEO
is Sam Altman. He's going tobe on Capitol Hill today to talk about
AI in the future, not justfor business, but for the world in
general. The chat GPT is whatMicrosoft partnered with on its bing search engine.
Google wanted to respond, and itdid respond. Open ai is one
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of the fastest growing websites on theplanet right now, a billion unique visitors
a month, so everybody's kind ofinterested in it, so we're keeping it
on our radar pretty hard. Laterthis hour, we have several ongoing news
topics this week to discuss with liveguests as well. But here's a couple
of quick headlines as we get goingthis morning. That looming deadline for the
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US debt default is called X Day, and as it gets closer, negotiators
on both sides seem more optimistic,at least publicly, that a deal could
be reached in time. That meansthe government needs to be able to pay
its debts, and the cornerstone ofthe global economy is the twenty four trillion
dollar US bond market, so that'swhy that could rattle markets, and it
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already started last week and it's goingto continue on right now. The X
day seems to be June one.That could fluctuate a little bit depending on
how tax receipts come in from Mayas well, So there's that We're going
to have more on that with somebodylive this hour or two on wake Up
Call. President Biden wants states tohelp strengthen background checks on gun buyers younger
than twenty one in order to slowthe pace of mass shootings. He made
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the appeal in a weekend op edin USA today. And the NBA playoffs
continue tomorrow. The Lakers play theNuggets tomorrow night, and then Wednesday,
the Celtics play the Heat and thewinners of those series are going to meet
for the championship. And if you'rean NBA fan, you got to see
about half a basketball game yesterday becausethe Sixers just folded against against the Boston
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Celtics. And in just a fewminutes, we're gonna talk with ABC's Eric
Katurski. The anniversary of the massshooting and killings in Buffalo, New York,
came and went yesterday. We willtalk with Aaron about how Buffalo has
responded over the past year. That'swhen ten were shot dead at a supermarket
there. Let's start with a coupleof stories coming out of the KFI twenty
four hour newsroom. Investigators are tryingto figure out what caused a crash on
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the ten Freeway in Riverside County.They killed three members of a family,
including two young girls. The familywas in an suv that collided with a
tesla yesterday. The driver of thesuv lost control, hit the center divider
and flipped over. Six people wereejected. The HP says the family may
not have been wearing seatbelts. Hundredsof hospital workers in Thousand Oaks could soon
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walk off the job. The unionthat represents employees at Los Robles Regional Medical
Center voted a strike for five daysstarting the twenty second of this month.
Service Employees International Union United Healthcare WorkersWest or sciu UHW says that the only
way to avert this strike is ifan agreement has reached in negotiations. Workers
in sciu UHW range from ear techto food service employees. One worker says
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that the biggest problem is a shortageof workers. Negotiations are scheduled this week,
and hospital officials say that this planstrike is reckless and unnecessary. Andrew
Caravella at KFI News a heads upfor anyone headed to us Comity In National
Park this week. Three campgrounds areclosing this morning due to the threat of
flooding. As of two weeks ago, the park had received more than double
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the average amount of snowfall for thistime of year. Officials say the combination
of hot weather and abundant snow wellthat means the Merced River may remain above
floodstage for some time. There isan update on those closures expected later today.
In just a couple of minutes,we're gonna check in on the debts.
Oh, we're gonna check in withAaron Katurski and discuss the anniversary of
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the killings last year in Buffalo,New York. And we are back at
six minutes after five o'clock and onour wake up call, we have ABC
Senior investigative reporter Eron Katurski. Ayear ago yesterday, Aaron ten people gunned
down in a neighborhood east of Buffalo, New York. How does Buffalo mark,
the university mark the anniversary? Sothere was a ceremony at the top
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supermarket that came under fire, thatwas the scene of the carnage, and
that has all been refurbished and reopened, and you know, a real focal
point for that community as it alwayswas, but there was a real determination
express to not have the the massacreand it's racist underpinning to be sort of
the defining moment for the neighborhood.Right they there was a you know,
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love overheight kind of message, andI think that it's particularly important for that
community and especially at that store.There wasn't a lot going on retail wise
in that neighborhood. It was abig deal and the supermarket opened, it
had become a place that was,you know, kind of for gathering for
the community as opposed to just theplace of I ABox of Sereal and and
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so there was this sort of nicemessage of of hope and healing and love,
even though I think the pain ofthe day still prevails, especially for
those who lost loved ones and whohave endured the guilty plea of the shooter
and more federal charges pending, andit's just been it's been an ordeal over
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the last year for the FA.It seems like your coverage and some of
the other coverage as well, indicatesthat some in the neighborhood there are concerned
that the cameras are only there orthe reporters only there at certain times.
Has there been any forward progress politicallyspeaking or socially speaking when it comes to
East Buffalo in this situation, Ithink socially for sure, right there does
seem to be a recognition that therewas a you know, of what motivated
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this, and of a determination tonot make that thing as much as as
possible, but politically, look,there's there's nothing going on in the country
that would legislatively anyway to do anythingto curtail these shootings. They've only increased
in frequency. We're going to celebrate, not celebrate, sorry, mark the
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year since Uvaldi what in another week, and then it'll be Highland Park after
that, And in the meantime there'sgoing to be a bunch more mass shootings.
So over the weekend the President holdfor gun control measures that are probably
not going anywhere. And you know, I think that the Attorney General of
the state, along with the AttorneyGeneral of California, have been trying to
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do things, little bits and pieces, to try and take on the gun
industry. But it shows you thelimits to what, you know, a
public policy can do in a countrythat just has no appetite to curtailed gun
ownership or gun sales. Yeah,you mentioned the bits and pieces. One
of the incremental things that came outof this shooting was a lawsuit against the
maker of the I believe is agun clip attachment that was supposed to make
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Yeah, this is it's a lockingmechanism made by Mean Arms. They're a
company in Georgia, and they makea device it's like twenty bucks to lock
the magazine into place on a rifle, and it made the rifle locata to
own and purchase in New York.Because it had a limited capacity magazine.
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Peyton Gendrin modified it and took thelock off and made it, you know,
put in a high capacity magazine thathe used in the massacre. And
the the lawsuit says that the companymakes this locking mechanism basically for the user
or take it off, and theygive you instructions for how to um,
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you know, for how to removethe lock on the packaging. So the
the Attorney General's lawsuit accuses mean Armsof aiding and abetting Peyton Gendron's ownership of
the weapon. UM. It's abit of a novel legal approach, but
they're, you know, they're tryingto make something and some one or some
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company accountable here, even though youknow it's just in a very limited way.
At the top of our discussion,Aaron, you mentioned that this happened
at the supermarket that was unique inthe East Buffalo neighborhood. It was a
food desert because that that market hadto close for a couple of months.
Has that been addressed it all.I know that market is reopened, but
how did they how did they addressthat overall situation with not access to food?
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Well, I think that you know, what we saw in the aftermath
of the shooting was companies coming inand just giving food away. They they
mobilized during the months when the storewas closed, they mobilized just giveaways that
other companies donated, and community memberskind of formed up these volunteer armies to
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pass out food as best they could. But that's why the store, I
think was such an important symbolic target, and maybe Payton Gender knew it as
he was doing his research and casingthe place, because the neighborhood was a
food desert until that market opened,and there was never a thought by the
way that it was going to closeafter the shooting. It was always going
to reopen. They refurbished it,reopened a couple of months ago. People
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were clearly happy to have it back. And I think that that's what made
the shooting even more insidious than justthe ten lives lost. That it was
that it shows the shooter shows aspot that was a focal point for the
neighborhood. Aaron, thank you foryour coverage and I appreciate your time,
Stealer, ABC senior investigative reporter Aaroncould Tursky there in Buffalo, New York.
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Let's get back to some of thestories coming out of the KFI twenty
four hour news room. Seven CHPofficers are due in court in LA for
the death of a man from Burbankwho was restrained so a nurse could get
a blood sample. The man hadbeen stopped on the five Freeway in twenty
twenty and refused a DUI test.The CHP officers are charged with manslaughter and
assault under the authority under the colorof authority. The nurse is charged with
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involuntary manslaughter. Homeland Security Secretary AlejandroMayorcis says fewer migrants have been crossing than
expected following the end of Title fortytwo last week. For the past two
days, the United States Border Patrolhas seen an approximately fifty percent drop in
the number of people encountered at oursouthern border. That under new rules,
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non Mexican migrants looking for asylum inthe US first have to show proof they've
and denied protection from a country theypassed through on their way to the US
border. They also have to usea federal app to make an appointment.
Migrants admitted into the US last weekhave been given asylum court dates as late
as twenty thirty two and twenty thirtyfive. That's in Chicago and Florida.
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The Homeland Security Secretary majorcas says thatthe app wait time is still building.
President Biden is planning to meet withCongressional leaders again this week talk about the
raising that debt ceiling. ABC's ElizabethSchultz says the meeting is in for a
set for tomorrow, the day beforeBiden goes to Japan for the G seventh
Summit. There are less than threeweeks now for negotiators the White House and
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leaders of Congress to come to somesort of agreement to essentially raise the debt
limit that would allow the government tokeep on paying its bills as usual.
Administration officials have warned that the governmentcould default on its debts if the spending
limit is not raised by June first. President Biden told reporters yesterday he's opt
mystic about a deal to avert theUS debt default. Of course, he's
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always pretty much optimistic. When wecome back, it's checkbook time for the
government. How close is the UStwo defaulting on those obligations. One of
the checks that needs written covers theinterest on government bonds. I mentioned that's
a twenty four trillion dollar market.That is the benchmark of the world economy.
You're listening to Wake Up Call withJennifer Jones Lee on demand from kfive
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AM six forty. Here's some ofyour stories. We're watching the KFI twenty
four hour newsroom. Homeland Security SecretaryAlejandro Majorcas says the US Border Patrol has
experienced a fifty percent drop in encountersince title forty two ended Thursday at midnight.
Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelenski says an upcomingmilitary counter offensive is aimed at freeing
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occupied territory in his nation. Speakingin Berlin yesterday, Zelenski said, we
do not attack Russian territory. Weliberate our own legitimate territory. Guardians of
the Galaxy continues to rock the boxoffice. The latest edition of the space
traveling It's called a comedy adventure franchise, earned sixty and a half million dollars
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in its second weekend of release inthe US and Canada. Coming in second
right, there was Super Mario BrothersABC. Steve Roberts is going to join
us live later. The topic wasSteve, this morning is going to be
Donald Trump, specifically, why,where, and how the media covers Donald
Trump. Of course, he isthe presidential nominee front runner. He's also
prone to lying. He's also goodfor ratings. So we're going to unpack
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that dynamic with Steve Roberts. Butright now we have ABC's White House correspondent
m Win on the line to talkdebt ceiling, the looming X day and
the day that's the day the UScould default on its obligations to pay its
bills. Good morning, m Goodmorning Jason. Good to be here.
How are negotiations teed up for thiswork week? As we get started for
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this work week. While we haveheard from President Fighting, he says they're
working at a time whereas he andcongressional leaders will meet for the second time.
He believes it's going to be onTuesday. That's still his plan to
leave for the g seventh summit onWednesday. Remember, this would be the
second meeting on the issue with topcongressional leaders, and they all met for
the first time last Tuesday. Theywere supposed to meet on Friday, but
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that was postponed so that these staffglobal talks could continue. We heard from
administration officials saying that these aids whohave been talking about the debt limit,
these talks were constructive and serious thisweekend. But it's still not clear if
the White House Republicans are any closerto a deal to this point. Okay,
so their constructive talks off camera,and you mentioned that Friday's meeting was
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postponed. Is happening Tuesday? Soin between are the Sunday news shows.
Anything happened publicly or in the mediathat might help things, help us understand
things one way or another. Sothere have been talks about a short term
debt limit as an option, youknow, just kind of passing this on
to kick the can down the curb. But we did hear from the National
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Economic Council Director Lyle Brainer who kindof dismissed that despite the President Peaslee suggesting
that it could be considered. Brainerjust that a short term deal is not
a fix. So this means theyare continuing to try to get an agreement
through for the next couple of weeks. But remember, even if they were
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to be able to get a dealit would have to come sooner than June
first, because it would have togo through the congressional process as well.
You know, the House, theSenate would have to pass it, and
there's a lot of debate I'm surethat we can expect on this issue,
and then the President would have tosign it. So there's not much time
left for the president and congressional leaders. So overall, you know, if
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a formal meeting is scheduled for tomorrow, that would be a good sign sense.
The last one was postponed because ofthe lack of progress. We're speaking
with ABC White House correspondent, andwhen so Biden was veep back in the
Obama administration, we kind of brushedup against this. We didn't kind of
we did in twenty eleven. Intwenty twelve, does this debt sealing debate
feel any different to you? Imean, at this point, you know,
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we have never defaulted on the debt. Could it happen this time?
There's always a possibility. At thatpoint. In twenty eleven, Republicans,
much like now, we're using adead limit debate as a borrowing chip for
spending cuts. The stock markets werereeling. There was seventy two hours to
go before the US would have defaultedon its debts, and that's when Republicans
and Democrats agreed on the bill andwas raising the death sailing and cutting spending
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by nearly the same amount. Couldthat happen again, It's very possible,
and you know, there's many expertswho say at this point, it's very
possible that the nation could default.But it appears as if the only thing
we know for sure between Democrats andRepublicans is that they don't want to get
to that point. They don't wantto be blamed for if the US actually
defaults, because a lot could happenif that were to happen. Oh,
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absolutely, And I know you're aWhite House correspondent, But if we look
at if past is prologue, MitchMcConnell sent a minority leader. Mitch McConnell
played a bigger role in twenty ortwenty twelve, then he seems to be
playing this time around. Why isthat dynamic difference or do you think or
do you think that maybe there's apolitical wait and see kind of thing happening.
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There's possibly a political part to this. You know, we've heard from
McConnell. He has said he's goingto be backing House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and
whatever negotiations he wants. And it'svery clear that a couple of things.
One, yes, he played aQ roll in twenty eleven to help the
US narrowly avoid a default. He'shad a long history of negotiating high profile
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issues with President Biden, but thistime he's taking the back seat. He
says that basically any proposal that originatesfrom the Senate won't pass the House.
He says until the President and theSpeaker of the House can reach an agreement,
will be at a standoff. Andsome believe that this is a type
of strategy to keep Democratic Leader ChuckSchumer, who's also had his spare share
of negotiations, out of these talks. Well, this is going to be
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fun to watch this week in avery tense kind of way. ABC White
House correspondent m when and I'm surewe'll speak again later this week. Thank
you for your time this morning,though, thanks so much. Let's get
back to some of the stories comingout of the KAFI HAD twenty four hour
news room. Officials say there hasnot been the crush of migrants at the
California Mexico border as predicted. Infact, one border agent said it was
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pretty quiet. The COVID Related HealthOrder Title forty two expired Thursday night,
and by Friday and Saturday there werea few hundred migrants trying to enter the
pedestrian gates at the same useed reportof entry, but officials say most of
them were turned away because they didn'thave an appointment or previous arrangement for an
immigration hearing. The FEDS had createdan app for migrants to get an appointment,
but some waiting in Tijuana say theapp wasn't working. The Biden administration
has also ordered the enforcement of Titleeight, which prohibits migrants from seeking asylum
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in the US unless they already triedwith another country. Steve Gregory Kafi News.
Firefighters in industry have rescued a personfrom a stalled car moments before it
was hit by a train. Thecar got stuck on the tracks after a
crash late Saturday. The person insidewas trapped needed help getting out. No
one was hurt in the collisions.The TSA is testing the use of facial
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recognition technology at sixteen airports across thecountry. The Transportation Safety Administration says the
technology is an effort to more accuratelyidentify the millions of passengers traveling through airports
every day. The agency says passengerscan opt out. Critics have raised concerns
about questions of bias in facial recognitiontechnology and of possible repercussions for passengers who
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want to opt out. Former LaCounty Supervisor Gloria Molina has died, just
a couple of months after she announcedshe had terminal cancer. Molina entered politics
at the state level in nineteen eightytwo. She served on the La City
Council in the late nineteen eighties andon the Board of Supervisors beginning in nineteen
ninety one. She was on theboard for twenty three years. Molina's family
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announced her death death yesterday. Shewas seventy four milative is tuch it simni
Kitakalmasnaya. The presidential election in Turkeycould be headed for a runoff, as
Turkish president does not have enough votesto be declared the winner. President Dwan's
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twenty year rule could be on theline. He had a comfortable lead in
early results, but that's subsided asthe voting continued. ABC's Britt Clanet says
President Erdwan has told supporters he stillthinks he can win re election, but
that he would also welcome a runoff. The UK has promised more missiles in
drones to Ukraine as President President VlodomirZelensky goes on a diplomatic tour of Europe.
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The UK sent short range missiles toUkraine last week. Zelenski has also
met with leaders of Germany, Italyand France in the past few days.
Southern California weather from KFI low cloudsand fog in the morning. That's sunny
for La and Orange County today,highs in the seventies to around eighty inland,
with mid upper sixties for high temptsat the beaches. For the San
Fernando and San Gabriel Valley, temperaturesare expected to hit about a mid eighties
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today. Antelope Valleys looking to loadof mid nineties today and tonight locally,
and fog blows around sixty pretty muchacross the Southland. Coming back, We're
gonna have a chat with political analystSteve Roberts and the ethics and media approach
to covering Donald Trump. You're listeningto Wake Up Call with Jennifer Jones Lee
on demand from KFI AM six fortysome of the stories we're watching the KFI
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twenty four hour news room as webegin the bottom of the hour. President
Biden wants states to help strengthen backgroundchecks on gun buyers younger than twenty one
to slow the pace of mass shootings. He made the appeal in a weekend
op ed published in USA Today.Biden wrote that he will call for states
to enact laws that give the federalbackground check system access to all records that
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could prohibit someone under twenty one frompurchasing a firearm. Newly announced Twitter CEO
Linda Yacarino's giving her thanks to ElonMusk on the platform. Yacarino tweeted she
has long been inspired by Musk's visionto create a brighter future, adding that
she was excited to build Twitter twopoint zero. Pretty good tweet from somebody
who just got hired as the CEO. General Motors is announcing the recall of
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nearly one million vehicles due to faultyair bags. The recall includes Buick Enclave,
Chevrolet Traverse, and GMC's Acadia vehiclesfrom twenty fourteen through twenty seventeen with
airbags produced by a RC Automotive.Go online and check that. At fifty
we will close wake up call withABC News consultant John Cohen and check on
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the Southern border and how the weekendplayed out. Under title eight the COVID
immigration policy was Title forty two untilThursday at midnight, and that turned away
migrants at the border. Title eightA is a return to pre COVID policies.
We're going to dig into that ina little bit, but right now
on the liveline, we have ABCpolitical analysts Steve Roberts. Steve teaches media
ethics at George Washington University as wellas analyzing for ABC. Good Morning,
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Steve, Good Morning Steve. Thespin cycle since last week full force,
since CNN allowed Donald Trump to golive on their network instead of covering it
like a horse race, Let's dothis. What did CNN and or the
public game from that broadcast. Look, I think they gained a fair amount.
You got a pretty unvarnished in yourface. Look at the real Donald
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Trump. This is not the scriptof Donald Trump to tele prompt that Donald
Trump. This was the real DonaldTrump, real Donald Trump who called January
sixth the beautiful day, the realDonald Trump who continues to lie about the
election being rigged, real Donald Trumpwho abuses women and mocks the woman Jane
Carroll who accused him of rape,and one of five million dollars judgment in
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the New York courts. So peoplelearned something. And the fact is that
the critics I believe who say thatCNN should not have put Donald Trump on
the air are wrong. I agreewith Anderson Cooper, the CNN anchor,
who said, look, you can'tstay in your silo. You can't ignoring
Donald Trump is not going to makehim go away. He represents a major
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faction in American politics. But Ithink CNN made two mistakes. The first
was to put him on live,because he's always going to filibuster. He's
always going to ignore any attempts tocheck his facts. He's going to run
rough shot over any anchor, ashe did over Caitlin Collins, as much
as you try contain him. Inthe second, in some ways to need
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a bigger mistake was putting him onin front of a live studio audience,
which turned it into a campaign rally. There is a model here. The
model is sixty minutes sixty minutes hasbeen the biggest name and TV news for
two generations. They have a greattrack record. And what do they do.
They interview these people, but theyinterview them on tape so that they
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can't filibuster, they can't wrestle amicrophone away from an anchor, and they
never are in front of an audience. So there is a model for here
for how you're fair to Trump.Give him his say, acknowledge that he's
a major political force, but restrainhim and check him and balance him.
And the sixty minutes model is apretty good money. So do you think
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the is there for sixty minutes asa brand? Because media Trusted Media is
in the mid twenties nationally speaking,and I'm generalizing, but it's right around
twenty four percent as I understand itfrom most polls, And that seems like
we don't have Walter Croncat anymore,we don't have an Edward R. Moreau,
we don't even have a Vin Scullyanymore. Sixty minutes is the only
place they can go because I wouldthink, as a Devil's advocate argument that
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you can edit anything to sound theway you want or not. It's a
matter of trust. Sure you can. It is a matter of trust.
Of course, you can edit ifwe as professional journalists. And as you
mentioned, I've taught media ethics atGeorge Washington University for thirty years. I
worked with the New York Times fortwenty five years. I have some experience
on this. And at the sametime, you have to be very fair
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to someone like Donald Trump. Youhave to give him his say. But
we're not just tape recorders. We'renot just open mics. We're not just
TV cameras that do blink on andnever blink off. The professional role of
journalists is to edit, to produce, to analyze, to comment, to
put in context. Are your listenersat KFI and any other station around the
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country, that's what we owe themas as ABC commentators, we owe them
that kind of knowledge, that kindof judgment. But we have to do
it fairly. If we're unfair toDonald Trump, if we edit in ament
a way that the storts or orfabricates his comments, then we're just as
guilty as he is when he liesrepeatedly. So the test here of professional
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journalists is fairness. And you know, if we get it wrong, we
should be criticized and if we getit right, then we served our listeners
at KFI as well as we can. So I'm not admitting the game as
long as you have. But beinga journalist, I noticed that going into
twenty sixteen, I was on theair at another station. At that time,
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journalists were uncomfortable with calling things liesthat we're obviously lies. That seems
to have changed a little bit.Is that is that more of a normative
that we can accept on an editoriallevel, and hopefully that will help us
build trust. When we see theball, we call the ball. You
know, this is a very goodpoint, Jason, And you're right.
Trump has changed the game. Youknow. I see us a headline in
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a mainstream publication today Trump lied yesterdaywhen he said the election was ricked,
right, using the word lie inthe headline the lead. I worked for
twenty five years for the New YorkTimes. I covered the White House under
Ronald Regan. I never once,not once, in twenty five years,
used the word lie in the newstory, not once. And yet today
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you see the word lie in virtuallyevery new story every days when it's about
Trump. So he has changed thegame because he has changed the rules.
He never apologizes. He never backsdown, he never acknowledges that he's made
a mistake. And so if wedon't point out on KFI or anywhere else
the ABC network, which I whichI'm on regularly, if we don't point
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out these lives were not serving ourlisteners. Well, that's our job,
that's our obligations to help guide peoplethrough this verbiage. But at the same
time, we can't be unfair toTrump. We can't cut him off,
we can't censor him, we can'tblock him from the airway. We have
to give him his say. Andat the same time we have to tell
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our listeners this is what you justheard, this is what's true, this
is what's not true, this iswhat's fair and what's not fair. It's
a heart balance to strike, butthat's what we have to aim at as
professional journalist. Thank you for theperspective, mister Roberts, much appreciated.
Sure, anytime, Jason, We'vebeen speaking with ABC political analyst Steve Roberts.
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He's a journalist, he's a writer. He's also a professor of media
ethics at George Washington University. Let'sget back to some of the stories coming
out of the KFI twenty four ournewsroom. A large scale mural has been
completed on both sides of Crowder Avenueunder the fifty seven Freeway in Placentia.
The almost eleven thousand square foot mural, called good People Under Our Sun and
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Moon, uses pink and purple onthe moon side to feature an abstract outline
of a woman sleeping and dreaming.The sun side uses shades of blue with
a touch of yellow, featuring acrouching man holding up the weight of the
world. Placentia is the first cityto be funded through Caltran's one point one
billion dollar multi year statewide effort toclean up and beautify roadsides in public spaces.
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A sculpture is also coming to thefifty seven off ramps at Orangethorpe in
Placentia, Corbin Carsend k if INews. California's budget has gone from a
record one hundred billion dollars surplus twoand estimated thirty one and a half billion
dollar deficit. Governor k Newson releasedhis three hundred and six billion dollar budget
plan Friday. It relies on moneyfrom bonds, four hundred and fifty million
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dollars from the state's safety net reserveand a renewed tax on managed care program
to support medical The plan also curbsincreas for climate and transportation programs. Officials
say there has not been the rushof migrants at the California Mexico border following
the expiration of Title forty two.One agent said a few hundred at a
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time show up at the San YsidroPort of entry, but most are turned
away because they didn't make an appointmenton the official customs app. But Felicia
Rangel says migrants can't use the appbecause it keeps crashing. Also, there
is no internet going on this bordertown. Internet is very important, or
you can't use the app. Rangelis with a nonprofit that helps migrants waiting
in Mexico. Agents are also enforcingTitle eight, which prohibits a person from
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seeking asylum in the US unless theytried in another country. A report says
the Massachusetts Air National Guard member accusedof leaking classified Pentagon documents was preparing for
a violent race war against the blackand Jewish people. The Washington Post says
the government interviewed several of Jack Tichera'sclose friends and reviewed unpublished, unpublished videos
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and chatlogs to Shara was charged lastmonth with leak secret Pentagon documents. When
we come back, ABC News consultantJohn Cohen's going to join us for a
Monday morning check on the Southern borderand just how that transition from title forty
two to title eight is going.You're listening to Wake Up Call with Jennifer
Jones Lee on demand from KFI Amsix forty. My name is Jason Middleton.
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I'm in all week for Jennifer JonesLee coming up. Of course,
we have a handle on the news, but first, here are some stories
coming out of the KFI twenty fourhour newsroom. Community members in Buffalo,
New York are marking the one yearanniversary of a racially motivated mass shooting that
left ten black people dead. Thevictims were honored yesterday with a moment of
silence and a church bell chiming attops Friendly Market. General Motors is announcing
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the recall of nearly one million vehiclesdue to faulty airbags. The recall includes
Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, andGMC AKAD vehicles from twenty fourteen through twenty
seventeen. Airbags produced by AARC Automotiveare the ones in question. Four teams
are left in the NBA playoffs.The Lakers play the Nuggets tomorrow night,
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and the Boston Celtics and the MiamiHeat start their conference finals series on Wednesday.
A man from Northridge says he's offeringa one hundred thousand dollars reward for
the arrests of whoever tried to shoothim outside his home. Security video shows
the man pull into his driveway Friday, then a guy with a gun runs
toward him. The homeowner took off, and the shooter hopped into the backseat
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of another car. The man beingchased says the shooter got off at least
four rounds before he was able toget away. President President Biden says white
supremacy is the most dangerous terrorist threatto America. He made the comment Saturday
in a speech to graduating students atHoward University, which is a historically black
college. Got a constant push andpull for more than two hundred and forty
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years between the best of us,the American idea that we're all created an
eagle on the worst of us.A harsh reality rais has long torn us
apart. He followed up by tellingthe audience he was not just saying that
because he was at a black school. Critics accused Biden of using the speech
to inflame racial tensions in the UnitedStates. Five fifty one. On your
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wake Up Call this morning, wehave John Cohen on the line. John
is an ABC News analyst. Okay, after three years of being turned away
at the border under title forty two, migrants can now seek a more normal
style asylum process. We checked onthe border last week, John, and
there was not a crush of migrants. What did you see this weekend and
what do you see now? Well, over the weekend, we actually saw
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a decrease of people approaching the border, but just some contacts for what that
we were saying. Going back tothe Trump administration twenty eighteen twenty nineteen timeframe,
we started seeing people from across theworld relocate to Central Central America,
South America, and Mexico. They'refleeing violence and economic conditions, in public
health conditions, and their goal wasto come to the United States. Over
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the last five six years, thatpopulation of people has grown, and it's
grown to be in the millions,and a large chunk of those people want
to come to the United States.So we started seeing an early last week
a significant increase in the number ofpeople presenting at the southern border and seeking
asylum or seeking entry into the UnitedStates. Some estimates are it was as
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high as ten to twelve thousand.The concern was that once Title forty two
was lifted, those numbers were toconcrease even further, and those numbers far
surpassed the abilities of CBP to handlethat number of people. But what in
fact happened is and from what I'veheard thus far, it's a combination of
new policies put in place regarding asylumas well as weather conditions. The numbers
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actually dropped significantly over the weekend.Some estimates are as much as fifty percent.
So do you think the preparation fromHomeland Security helped and the signaling towards
those who would seek asylum is alsoworking. Yeah, you know, that's
a really good question. I Mean, one of the things that we saw
the Department of Homeland Security was avery forceful, clear message intended to those
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who may be seeking to come tothe United States. And that's important because
what we've experienced over the last severalyears is that the smugglers, the human
smugglers they're using disinformation, they're usingsocial media, you know, making up
things and sharing that with those thosepeople who may be intending to come here,
saying it's open season, the doorsare open. Just show up at
the border, you'll be allowed in. So I think it was really important
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that the Secretary was as forceful asthat said. Those millions of people are
still there, and you know,just for context, CVP can handle about
fourteen hundred to thirty five hundred encountersat the southern border a day. Even
six to eight thousand exceeds their resources. So if we start seeing those numbers
go back up, which is likely, they're going to be our resource issue.
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So we have a little bit ofbreathing room. But this lull may
not be permanent, and it's timefor Congress and others to sort of act
at the resource is there, clearup what's going what's wrong with our immigration
rules, and then hopefully we thatare prepared to deal with the situation.
We're speaking with ABC News analyst JohnCoe, and John also worked at homand
Security for a while, and I'mgoing to circle back on that in just
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a second. You mentioned social mediaright there. The Title eight was passed
in nineteen forty, not a lotof social media going on there unless it
was having at the corner store.Any progress on the sketchy app that immigrants
are being asked to use right nowor would be immigrants asked to use.
Yeah, So CVP has developed anapp that is supposed to be used by
though it's one of the rules thatif you're going to try to come to
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the Southern border and seek asylum,you have to first make an appointment through
the app. There's you know,it's always difficult rolling out a new app,
but and there's been some issues withthis one, but it is working.
The bigger problem is that, youknow, you can schedule an appointment.
You can use an app to schedulean appointment, but if there aren't
people who can adjudicate your application,then the app is only a limited value.
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And that's that's the problem. Wejust don't have enough adjudicators. And
right now I'm hearing it could takeyou know, as you try to make
your appointment for that initial interview ora court date, you could be looking
three four years down the road.So the question is what do you do
with these people? Um, they'regoing through the legal process and it's a
process that they are allowed to gothrough by international law, but there's just
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no room to house them. John, as I understand it, you served
as an under Secretary of Intelligence atHomeland for a period. Can you give
us a peak behind the curtain athow the department coordinates these kind of efforts.
This is a this is a hugepush for a proactive program. Yeah,
real quickly. I mean it's it'sthere's a you know, the secretarial
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coordinate a series of meetings internally withCDP, with Immigrations and Customers Enforcement ICE,
with the Intelligence Division, which iswhat I ran. I had a
whole unit that looked at um,you know, look at that intelligence related
issues having to do with mass migratorymovements. Um. But the coordination that
really important as the interagency coordination.So the White House will pull together the
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Defense Department, the Justice Department,the Health and Human Services DHS, and
others so that the federal government asa whole can coordinate operational planning for these
issues. And then there's the coordinationwith state and local governments that should be
occurring and with non government agencies aswell. John, thank you for that
three sixty approach. We appreciate yourtime this morning, talk to you soon.
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We've been speaking with ABC News analystand former Under Secretary of Intelligence at
Homeland Security, John Cohen. You'vebeen listening to your Wakeup Call with Me,
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forty wake up call on demand onthe iHeartRadio app. My name is Jason
Middleton. This is your wake upcall. Like I said, Monday,
May fifteenth, Mother's Day yesterday,if you celebrate, Hope it went well.
I was talking to my mom alittle bit and she saw the Jane
(00:22):
Fonda movie. I think that thatwas probably She's not unique in that,
but I'm glad that she got outand did some stuff over the weekend.
Also, Google, Google had itsbig conference last week, its Developer Conference
and artificial intelligence, which has beenpretty much every other headline since about January.
Google kicked that ball down the roadpretty hard and it looks like investors
(00:43):
are responding. So today Open aiis the name of that and it's CEO
is Sam Altman. He's going tobe on Capitol Hill today to talk about
AI in the future, not justfor business, but for the world in
general. The chat GPT is whatMicrosoft partnered with on its bing search engine.
Google wanted to respond, and itdid respond. Open ai is one
(01:03):
of the fastest growing websites on theplanet right now, a billion unique visitors
a month, so everybody's kind ofinterested in it, so we're keeping it
on our radar pretty hard. Laterthis hour, we have several ongoing news
topics this week to discuss with liveguests as well. But here's a couple
of quick headlines as we get goingthis morning. That looming deadline for the
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US debt default is called X Day, and as it gets closer, negotiators
on both sides seem more optimistic,at least publicly, that a deal could
be reached in time. That meansthe government needs to be able to pay
its debts, and the cornerstone ofthe global economy is the twenty four trillion
dollar US bond market, so that'swhy that could rattle markets, and it
(01:49):
already started last week and it's goingto continue on right now. The X
day seems to be June one.That could fluctuate a little bit depending on
how tax receipts come in from Mayas well, So there's that We're going
to have more on that with somebodylive this hour or two on wake Up
Call. President Biden wants states tohelp strengthen background checks on gun buyers younger
than twenty one in order to slowthe pace of mass shootings. He made
(02:14):
the appeal in a weekend op edin USA today. And the NBA playoffs
continue tomorrow. The Lakers play theNuggets tomorrow night, and then Wednesday,
the Celtics play the Heat and thewinners of those series are going to meet
for the championship. And if you'rean NBA fan, you got to see
about half a basketball game yesterday becausethe Sixers just folded against against the Boston
(02:37):
Celtics. And in just a fewminutes, we're gonna talk with ABC's Eric
Katurski. The anniversary of the massshooting and killings in Buffalo, New York,
came and went yesterday. We willtalk with Aaron about how Buffalo has
responded over the past year. That'swhen ten were shot dead at a supermarket
there. Let's start with a coupleof stories coming out of the KFI twenty
four hour newsroom. Investigators are tryingto figure out what caused a crash on
(02:59):
the ten Freeway in Riverside County.They killed three members of a family,
including two young girls. The familywas in an suv that collided with a
tesla yesterday. The driver of thesuv lost control, hit the center divider
and flipped over. Six people wereejected. The HP says the family may
not have been wearing seatbelts. Hundredsof hospital workers in Thousand Oaks could soon
(03:23):
walk off the job. The unionthat represents employees at Los Robles Regional Medical
Center voted a strike for five daysstarting the twenty second of this month.
Service Employees International Union United Healthcare WorkersWest or sciu UHW says that the only
way to avert this strike is ifan agreement has reached in negotiations. Workers
in sciu UHW range from ear techto food service employees. One worker says
(03:46):
that the biggest problem is a shortageof workers. Negotiations are scheduled this week,
and hospital officials say that this planstrike is reckless and unnecessary. Andrew
Caravella at KFI News a heads upfor anyone headed to us Comity In National
Park this week. Three campgrounds areclosing this morning due to the threat of
flooding. As of two weeks ago, the park had received more than double
(04:06):
the average amount of snowfall for thistime of year. Officials say the combination
of hot weather and abundant snow wellthat means the Merced River may remain above
floodstage for some time. There isan update on those closures expected later today.
In just a couple of minutes,we're gonna check in on the debts.
Oh, we're gonna check in withAaron Katurski and discuss the anniversary of
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the killings last year in Buffalo,New York. And we are back at
six minutes after five o'clock and onour wake up call, we have ABC
Senior investigative reporter Eron Katurski. Ayear ago yesterday, Aaron ten people gunned
down in a neighborhood east of Buffalo, New York. How does Buffalo mark,
the university mark the anniversary? Sothere was a ceremony at the top
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supermarket that came under fire, thatwas the scene of the carnage, and
that has all been refurbished and reopened, and you know, a real focal
point for that community as it alwayswas, but there was a real determination
express to not have the the massacreand it's racist underpinning to be sort of
the defining moment for the neighborhood.Right they there was a you know,
(05:15):
love overheight kind of message, andI think that it's particularly important for that
community and especially at that store.There wasn't a lot going on retail wise
in that neighborhood. It was abig deal and the supermarket opened, it
had become a place that was,you know, kind of for gathering for
the community as opposed to just theplace of I ABox of Sereal and and
(05:36):
so there was this sort of nicemessage of of hope and healing and love,
even though I think the pain ofthe day still prevails, especially for
those who lost loved ones and whohave endured the guilty plea of the shooter
and more federal charges pending, andit's just been it's been an ordeal over
(05:59):
the last year for the FA.It seems like your coverage and some of
the other coverage as well, indicatesthat some in the neighborhood there are concerned
that the cameras are only there orthe reporters only there at certain times.
Has there been any forward progress politicallyspeaking or socially speaking when it comes to
East Buffalo in this situation, Ithink socially for sure, right there does
seem to be a recognition that therewas a you know, of what motivated
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this, and of a determination tonot make that thing as much as as
possible, but politically, look,there's there's nothing going on in the country
that would legislatively anyway to do anythingto curtail these shootings. They've only increased
in frequency. We're going to celebrate, not celebrate, sorry, mark the
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year since Uvaldi what in another week, and then it'll be Highland Park after
that, And in the meantime there'sgoing to be a bunch more mass shootings.
So over the weekend the President holdfor gun control measures that are probably
not going anywhere. And you know, I think that the Attorney General of
the state, along with the AttorneyGeneral of California, have been trying to
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do things, little bits and pieces, to try and take on the gun
industry. But it shows you thelimits to what, you know, a
public policy can do in a countrythat just has no appetite to curtailed gun
ownership or gun sales. Yeah,you mentioned the bits and pieces. One
of the incremental things that came outof this shooting was a lawsuit against the
maker of the I believe is agun clip attachment that was supposed to make
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Yeah, this is it's a lockingmechanism made by Mean Arms. They're a
company in Georgia, and they makea device it's like twenty bucks to lock
the magazine into place on a rifle, and it made the rifle locata to
own and purchase in New York.Because it had a limited capacity magazine.
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Peyton Gendrin modified it and took thelock off and made it, you know,
put in a high capacity magazine thathe used in the massacre. And
the the lawsuit says that the companymakes this locking mechanism basically for the user
or take it off, and theygive you instructions for how to um,
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you know, for how to removethe lock on the packaging. So the
the Attorney General's lawsuit accuses mean Armsof aiding and abetting Peyton Gendron's ownership of
the weapon. UM. It's abit of a novel legal approach, but
they're, you know, they're tryingto make something and some one or some
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company accountable here, even though youknow it's just in a very limited way.
At the top of our discussion,Aaron, you mentioned that this happened
at the supermarket that was unique inthe East Buffalo neighborhood. It was a
food desert because that that market hadto close for a couple of months.
Has that been addressed it all.I know that market is reopened, but
how did they how did they addressthat overall situation with not access to food?
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Well, I think that you know, what we saw in the aftermath
of the shooting was companies coming inand just giving food away. They they
mobilized during the months when the storewas closed, they mobilized just giveaways that
other companies donated, and community memberskind of formed up these volunteer armies to
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pass out food as best they could. But that's why the store, I
think was such an important symbolic target, and maybe Payton Gender knew it as
he was doing his research and casingthe place, because the neighborhood was a
food desert until that market opened,and there was never a thought by the
way that it was going to closeafter the shooting. It was always going
to reopen. They refurbished it,reopened a couple of months ago. People
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were clearly happy to have it back. And I think that that's what made
the shooting even more insidious than justthe ten lives lost. That it was
that it shows the shooter shows aspot that was a focal point for the
neighborhood. Aaron, thank you foryour coverage and I appreciate your time,
Stealer, ABC senior investigative reporter Aaroncould Tursky there in Buffalo, New York.
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Let's get back to some of thestories coming out of the KFI twenty
four hour news room. Seven CHPofficers are due in court in LA for
the death of a man from Burbankwho was restrained so a nurse could get
a blood sample. The man hadbeen stopped on the five Freeway in twenty
twenty and refused a DUI test.The CHP officers are charged with manslaughter and
assault under the authority under the colorof authority. The nurse is charged with
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involuntary manslaughter. Homeland Security Secretary AlejandroMayorcis says fewer migrants have been crossing than
expected following the end of Title fortytwo last week. For the past two
days, the United States Border Patrolhas seen an approximately fifty percent drop in
the number of people encountered at oursouthern border. That under new rules,
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non Mexican migrants looking for asylum inthe US first have to show proof they've
and denied protection from a country theypassed through on their way to the US
border. They also have to usea federal app to make an appointment.
Migrants admitted into the US last weekhave been given asylum court dates as late
as twenty thirty two and twenty thirtyfive. That's in Chicago and Florida.
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The Homeland Security Secretary majorcas says thatthe app wait time is still building.
President Biden is planning to meet withCongressional leaders again this week talk about the
raising that debt ceiling. ABC's ElizabethSchultz says the meeting is in for a
set for tomorrow, the day beforeBiden goes to Japan for the G seventh
Summit. There are less than threeweeks now for negotiators the White House and
(11:41):
leaders of Congress to come to somesort of agreement to essentially raise the debt
limit that would allow the government tokeep on paying its bills as usual.
Administration officials have warned that the governmentcould default on its debts if the spending
limit is not raised by June first. President Biden told reporters yesterday he's opt
mystic about a deal to avert theUS debt default. Of course, he's
(12:03):
always pretty much optimistic. When wecome back, it's checkbook time for the
government. How close is the UStwo defaulting on those obligations. One of
the checks that needs written covers theinterest on government bonds. I mentioned that's
a twenty four trillion dollar market.That is the benchmark of the world economy.
You're listening to Wake Up Call withJennifer Jones Lee on demand from kfive
(12:24):
AM six forty. Here's some ofyour stories. We're watching the KFI twenty
four hour newsroom. Homeland Security SecretaryAlejandro Majorcas says the US Border Patrol has
experienced a fifty percent drop in encountersince title forty two ended Thursday at midnight.
Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelenski says an upcomingmilitary counter offensive is aimed at freeing
(12:45):
occupied territory in his nation. Speakingin Berlin yesterday, Zelenski said, we
do not attack Russian territory. Weliberate our own legitimate territory. Guardians of
the Galaxy continues to rock the boxoffice. The latest edition of the space
traveling It's called a comedy adventure franchise, earned sixty and a half million dollars
(13:05):
in its second weekend of release inthe US and Canada. Coming in second
right, there was Super Mario BrothersABC. Steve Roberts is going to join
us live later. The topic wasSteve, this morning is going to be
Donald Trump, specifically, why,where, and how the media covers Donald
Trump. Of course, he isthe presidential nominee front runner. He's also
prone to lying. He's also goodfor ratings. So we're going to unpack
(13:28):
that dynamic with Steve Roberts. Butright now we have ABC's White House correspondent
m Win on the line to talkdebt ceiling, the looming X day and
the day that's the day the UScould default on its obligations to pay its
bills. Good morning, m Goodmorning Jason. Good to be here.
How are negotiations teed up for thiswork week? As we get started for
(13:50):
this work week. While we haveheard from President Fighting, he says they're
working at a time whereas he andcongressional leaders will meet for the second time.
He believes it's going to be onTuesday. That's still his plan to
leave for the g seventh summit onWednesday. Remember, this would be the
second meeting on the issue with topcongressional leaders, and they all met for
the first time last Tuesday. Theywere supposed to meet on Friday, but
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that was postponed so that these staffglobal talks could continue. We heard from
administration officials saying that these aids whohave been talking about the debt limit,
these talks were constructive and serious thisweekend. But it's still not clear if
the White House Republicans are any closerto a deal to this point. Okay,
so their constructive talks off camera,and you mentioned that Friday's meeting was
(14:33):
postponed. Is happening Tuesday? Soin between are the Sunday news shows.
Anything happened publicly or in the mediathat might help things, help us understand
things one way or another. Sothere have been talks about a short term
debt limit as an option, youknow, just kind of passing this on
to kick the can down the curb. But we did hear from the National
(14:54):
Economic Council Director Lyle Brainer who kindof dismissed that despite the President Peaslee suggesting
that it could be considered. Brainerjust that a short term deal is not
a fix. So this means theyare continuing to try to get an agreement
through for the next couple of weeks. But remember, even if they were
(15:15):
to be able to get a dealit would have to come sooner than June
first, because it would have togo through the congressional process as well.
You know, the House, theSenate would have to pass it, and
there's a lot of debate I'm surethat we can expect on this issue,
and then the President would have tosign it. So there's not much time
left for the president and congressional leaders. So overall, you know, if
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a formal meeting is scheduled for tomorrow, that would be a good sign sense.
The last one was postponed because ofthe lack of progress. We're speaking
with ABC White House correspondent, andwhen so Biden was veep back in the
Obama administration, we kind of brushedup against this. We didn't kind of
we did in twenty eleven. Intwenty twelve, does this debt sealing debate
feel any different to you? Imean, at this point, you know,
(16:00):
we have never defaulted on the debt. Could it happen this time?
There's always a possibility. At thatpoint. In twenty eleven, Republicans,
much like now, we're using adead limit debate as a borrowing chip for
spending cuts. The stock markets werereeling. There was seventy two hours to
go before the US would have defaultedon its debts, and that's when Republicans
and Democrats agreed on the bill andwas raising the death sailing and cutting spending
(16:25):
by nearly the same amount. Couldthat happen again, It's very possible,
and you know, there's many expertswho say at this point, it's very
possible that the nation could default.But it appears as if the only thing
we know for sure between Democrats andRepublicans is that they don't want to get
to that point. They don't wantto be blamed for if the US actually
defaults, because a lot could happenif that were to happen. Oh,
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absolutely, And I know you're aWhite House correspondent, But if we look
at if past is prologue, MitchMcConnell sent a minority leader. Mitch McConnell
played a bigger role in twenty ortwenty twelve, then he seems to be
playing this time around. Why isthat dynamic difference or do you think or
do you think that maybe there's apolitical wait and see kind of thing happening.
(17:10):
There's possibly a political part to this. You know, we've heard from
McConnell. He has said he's goingto be backing House Speaker Kevin McCarthy and
whatever negotiations he wants. And it'svery clear that a couple of things.
One, yes, he played aQ roll in twenty eleven to help the
US narrowly avoid a default. He'shad a long history of negotiating high profile
(17:32):
issues with President Biden, but thistime he's taking the back seat. He
says that basically any proposal that originatesfrom the Senate won't pass the House.
He says until the President and theSpeaker of the House can reach an agreement,
will be at a standoff. Andsome believe that this is a type
of strategy to keep Democratic Leader ChuckSchumer, who's also had his spare share
of negotiations, out of these talks. Well, this is going to be
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fun to watch this week in avery tense kind of way. ABC White
House correspondent m when and I'm surewe'll speak again later this week. Thank
you for your time this morning,though, thanks so much. Let's get
back to some of the stories comingout of the KAFI HAD twenty four hour
news room. Officials say there hasnot been the crush of migrants at the
California Mexico border as predicted. Infact, one border agent said it was
(18:18):
pretty quiet. The COVID Related HealthOrder Title forty two expired Thursday night,
and by Friday and Saturday there werea few hundred migrants trying to enter the
pedestrian gates at the same useed reportof entry, but officials say most of
them were turned away because they didn'thave an appointment or previous arrangement for an
immigration hearing. The FEDS had createdan app for migrants to get an appointment,
but some waiting in Tijuana say theapp wasn't working. The Biden administration
has also ordered the enforcement of Titleeight, which prohibits migrants from seeking asylum
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in the US unless they already triedwith another country. Steve Gregory Kafi News.
Firefighters in industry have rescued a personfrom a stalled car moments before it
was hit by a train. Thecar got stuck on the tracks after a
crash late Saturday. The person insidewas trapped needed help getting out. No
one was hurt in the collisions.The TSA is testing the use of facial
(19:06):
recognition technology at sixteen airports across thecountry. The Transportation Safety Administration says the
technology is an effort to more accuratelyidentify the millions of passengers traveling through airports
every day. The agency says passengerscan opt out. Critics have raised concerns
about questions of bias in facial recognitiontechnology and of possible repercussions for passengers who
(19:27):
want to opt out. Former LaCounty Supervisor Gloria Molina has died, just
a couple of months after she announcedshe had terminal cancer. Molina entered politics
at the state level in nineteen eightytwo. She served on the La City
Council in the late nineteen eighties andon the Board of Supervisors beginning in nineteen
ninety one. She was on theboard for twenty three years. Molina's family
(19:49):
announced her death death yesterday. Shewas seventy four milative is tuch it simni
Kitakalmasnaya. The presidential election in Turkeycould be headed for a runoff, as
Turkish president does not have enough votesto be declared the winner. President Dwan's
(20:10):
twenty year rule could be on theline. He had a comfortable lead in
early results, but that's subsided asthe voting continued. ABC's Britt Clanet says
President Erdwan has told supporters he stillthinks he can win re election, but
that he would also welcome a runoff. The UK has promised more missiles in
drones to Ukraine as President President VlodomirZelensky goes on a diplomatic tour of Europe.
(20:33):
The UK sent short range missiles toUkraine last week. Zelenski has also
met with leaders of Germany, Italyand France in the past few days.
Southern California weather from KFI low cloudsand fog in the morning. That's sunny
for La and Orange County today,highs in the seventies to around eighty inland,
with mid upper sixties for high temptsat the beaches. For the San
Fernando and San Gabriel Valley, temperaturesare expected to hit about a mid eighties
(20:56):
today. Antelope Valleys looking to loadof mid nineties today and tonight locally,
and fog blows around sixty pretty muchacross the Southland. Coming back, We're
gonna have a chat with political analystSteve Roberts and the ethics and media approach
to covering Donald Trump. You're listeningto Wake Up Call with Jennifer Jones Lee
on demand from KFI AM six fortysome of the stories we're watching the KFI
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twenty four hour news room as webegin the bottom of the hour. President
Biden wants states to help strengthen backgroundchecks on gun buyers younger than twenty one
to slow the pace of mass shootings. He made the appeal in a weekend
op ed published in USA Today.Biden wrote that he will call for states
to enact laws that give the federalbackground check system access to all records that
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could prohibit someone under twenty one frompurchasing a firearm. Newly announced Twitter CEO
Linda Yacarino's giving her thanks to ElonMusk on the platform. Yacarino tweeted she
has long been inspired by Musk's visionto create a brighter future, adding that
she was excited to build Twitter twopoint zero. Pretty good tweet from somebody
who just got hired as the CEO. General Motors is announcing the recall of
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nearly one million vehicles due to faultyair bags. The recall includes Buick Enclave,
Chevrolet Traverse, and GMC's Acadia vehiclesfrom twenty fourteen through twenty seventeen with
airbags produced by a RC Automotive.Go online and check that. At fifty
we will close wake up call withABC News consultant John Cohen and check on
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the Southern border and how the weekendplayed out. Under title eight the COVID
immigration policy was Title forty two untilThursday at midnight, and that turned away
migrants at the border. Title eightA is a return to pre COVID policies.
We're going to dig into that ina little bit, but right now
on the liveline, we have ABCpolitical analysts Steve Roberts. Steve teaches media
ethics at George Washington University as wellas analyzing for ABC. Good Morning,
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Steve, Good Morning Steve. Thespin cycle since last week full force,
since CNN allowed Donald Trump to golive on their network instead of covering it
like a horse race, Let's dothis. What did CNN and or the
public game from that broadcast. Look, I think they gained a fair amount.
You got a pretty unvarnished in yourface. Look at the real Donald
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Trump. This is not the scriptof Donald Trump to tele prompt that Donald
Trump. This was the real DonaldTrump, real Donald Trump who called January
sixth the beautiful day, the realDonald Trump who continues to lie about the
election being rigged, real Donald Trumpwho abuses women and mocks the woman Jane
Carroll who accused him of rape,and one of five million dollars judgment in
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the New York courts. So peoplelearned something. And the fact is that
the critics I believe who say thatCNN should not have put Donald Trump on
the air are wrong. I agreewith Anderson Cooper, the CNN anchor,
who said, look, you can'tstay in your silo. You can't ignoring
Donald Trump is not going to makehim go away. He represents a major
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faction in American politics. But Ithink CNN made two mistakes. The first
was to put him on live,because he's always going to filibuster. He's
always going to ignore any attempts tocheck his facts. He's going to run
rough shot over any anchor, ashe did over Caitlin Collins, as much
as you try contain him. Inthe second, in some ways to need
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a bigger mistake was putting him onin front of a live studio audience,
which turned it into a campaign rally. There is a model here. The
model is sixty minutes sixty minutes hasbeen the biggest name and TV news for
two generations. They have a greattrack record. And what do they do.
They interview these people, but theyinterview them on tape so that they
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can't filibuster, they can't wrestle amicrophone away from an anchor, and they
never are in front of an audience. So there is a model for here
for how you're fair to Trump.Give him his say, acknowledge that he's
a major political force, but restrainhim and check him and balance him.
And the sixty minutes model is apretty good money. So do you think
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the is there for sixty minutes asa brand? Because media Trusted Media is
in the mid twenties nationally speaking,and I'm generalizing, but it's right around
twenty four percent as I understand itfrom most polls, And that seems like
we don't have Walter Croncat anymore,we don't have an Edward R. Moreau,
we don't even have a Vin Scullyanymore. Sixty minutes is the only
place they can go because I wouldthink, as a Devil's advocate argument that
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you can edit anything to sound theway you want or not. It's a
matter of trust. Sure you can. It is a matter of trust.
Of course, you can edit ifwe as professional journalists. And as you
mentioned, I've taught media ethics atGeorge Washington University for thirty years. I
worked with the New York Times fortwenty five years. I have some experience
on this. And at the sametime, you have to be very fair
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to someone like Donald Trump. Youhave to give him his say. But
we're not just tape recorders. We'renot just open mics. We're not just
TV cameras that do blink on andnever blink off. The professional role of
journalists is to edit, to produce, to analyze, to comment, to
put in context. Are your listenersat KFI and any other station around the
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country, that's what we owe themas as ABC commentators, we owe them
that kind of knowledge, that kindof judgment. But we have to do
it fairly. If we're unfair toDonald Trump, if we edit in ament
a way that the storts or orfabricates his comments, then we're just as
guilty as he is when he liesrepeatedly. So the test here of professional
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journalists is fairness. And you know, if we get it wrong, we
should be criticized and if we getit right, then we served our listeners
at KFI as well as we can. So I'm not admitting the game as
long as you have. But beinga journalist, I noticed that going into
twenty sixteen, I was on theair at another station. At that time,
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journalists were uncomfortable with calling things liesthat we're obviously lies. That seems
to have changed a little bit.Is that is that more of a normative
that we can accept on an editoriallevel, and hopefully that will help us
build trust. When we see theball, we call the ball. You
know, this is a very goodpoint, Jason, And you're right.
Trump has changed the game. Youknow. I see us a headline in
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a mainstream publication today Trump lied yesterdaywhen he said the election was ricked,
right, using the word lie inthe headline the lead. I worked for
twenty five years for the New YorkTimes. I covered the White House under
Ronald Regan. I never once,not once, in twenty five years,
used the word lie in the newstory, not once. And yet today
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you see the word lie in virtuallyevery new story every days when it's about
Trump. So he has changed thegame because he has changed the rules.
He never apologizes. He never backsdown, he never acknowledges that he's made
a mistake. And so if wedon't point out on KFI or anywhere else
the ABC network, which I whichI'm on regularly, if we don't point
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out these lives were not serving ourlisteners. Well, that's our job,
that's our obligations to help guide peoplethrough this verbiage. But at the same
time, we can't be unfair toTrump. We can't cut him off,
we can't censor him, we can'tblock him from the airway. We have
to give him his say. Andat the same time we have to tell
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our listeners this is what you justheard, this is what's true, this
is what's not true, this iswhat's fair and what's not fair. It's
a heart balance to strike, butthat's what we have to aim at as
professional journalist. Thank you for theperspective, mister Roberts, much appreciated.
Sure, anytime, Jason, We'vebeen speaking with ABC political analyst Steve Roberts.
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He's a journalist, he's a writer. He's also a professor of media
ethics at George Washington University. Let'sget back to some of the stories coming
out of the KFI twenty four ournewsroom. A large scale mural has been
completed on both sides of Crowder Avenueunder the fifty seven Freeway in Placentia.
The almost eleven thousand square foot mural, called good People Under Our Sun and
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Moon, uses pink and purple onthe moon side to feature an abstract outline
of a woman sleeping and dreaming.The sun side uses shades of blue with
a touch of yellow, featuring acrouching man holding up the weight of the
world. Placentia is the first cityto be funded through Caltran's one point one
billion dollar multi year statewide effort toclean up and beautify roadsides in public spaces.
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A sculpture is also coming to thefifty seven off ramps at Orangethorpe in
Placentia, Corbin Carsend k if INews. California's budget has gone from a
record one hundred billion dollars surplus twoand estimated thirty one and a half billion
dollar deficit. Governor k Newson releasedhis three hundred and six billion dollar budget
plan Friday. It relies on moneyfrom bonds, four hundred and fifty million
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dollars from the state's safety net reserveand a renewed tax on managed care program
to support medical The plan also curbsincreas for climate and transportation programs. Officials
say there has not been the rushof migrants at the California Mexico border following
the expiration of Title forty two.One agent said a few hundred at a
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time show up at the San YsidroPort of entry, but most are turned
away because they didn't make an appointmenton the official customs app. But Felicia
Rangel says migrants can't use the appbecause it keeps crashing. Also, there
is no internet going on this bordertown. Internet is very important, or
you can't use the app. Rangelis with a nonprofit that helps migrants waiting
in Mexico. Agents are also enforcingTitle eight, which prohibits a person from
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seeking asylum in the US unless theytried in another country. A report says
the Massachusetts Air National Guard member accusedof leaking classified Pentagon documents was preparing for
a violent race war against the blackand Jewish people. The Washington Post says
the government interviewed several of Jack Tichera'sclose friends and reviewed unpublished, unpublished videos
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and chatlogs to Shara was charged lastmonth with leak secret Pentagon documents. When
we come back, ABC News consultantJohn Cohen's going to join us for a
Monday morning check on the Southern borderand just how that transition from title forty
two to title eight is going.You're listening to Wake Up Call with Jennifer
Jones Lee on demand from KFI Amsix forty. My name is Jason Middleton.
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I'm in all week for Jennifer JonesLee coming up. Of course,
we have a handle on the news, but first, here are some stories
coming out of the KFI twenty fourhour newsroom. Community members in Buffalo,
New York are marking the one yearanniversary of a racially motivated mass shooting that
left ten black people dead. Thevictims were honored yesterday with a moment of
silence and a church bell chiming attops Friendly Market. General Motors is announcing
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the recall of nearly one million vehiclesdue to faulty airbags. The recall includes
Buick Enclave, Chevrolet Traverse, andGMC AKAD vehicles from twenty fourteen through twenty
seventeen. Airbags produced by AARC Automotiveare the ones in question. Four teams
are left in the NBA playoffs.The Lakers play the Nuggets tomorrow night,
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and the Boston Celtics and the MiamiHeat start their conference finals series on Wednesday.
A man from Northridge says he's offeringa one hundred thousand dollars reward for
the arrests of whoever tried to shoothim outside his home. Security video shows
the man pull into his driveway Friday, then a guy with a gun runs
toward him. The homeowner took off, and the shooter hopped into the backseat
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of another car. The man beingchased says the shooter got off at least
four rounds before he was able toget away. President President Biden says white
supremacy is the most dangerous terrorist threatto America. He made the comment Saturday
in a speech to graduating students atHoward University, which is a historically black
college. Got a constant push andpull for more than two hundred and forty
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years between the best of us,the American idea that we're all created an
eagle on the worst of us.A harsh reality rais has long torn us
apart. He followed up by tellingthe audience he was not just saying that
because he was at a black school. Critics accused Biden of using the speech
to inflame racial tensions in the UnitedStates. Five fifty one. On your
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wake Up Call this morning, wehave John Cohen on the line. John
is an ABC News analyst. Okay, after three years of being turned away
at the border under title forty two, migrants can now seek a more normal
style asylum process. We checked onthe border last week, John, and
there was not a crush of migrants. What did you see this weekend and
what do you see now? Well, over the weekend, we actually saw
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a decrease of people approaching the border, but just some contacts for what that
we were saying. Going back tothe Trump administration twenty eighteen twenty nineteen timeframe,
we started seeing people from across theworld relocate to Central Central America,
South America, and Mexico. They'refleeing violence and economic conditions, in public
health conditions, and their goal wasto come to the United States. Over
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the last five six years, thatpopulation of people has grown, and it's
grown to be in the millions,and a large chunk of those people want
to come to the United States.So we started seeing an early last week
a significant increase in the number ofpeople presenting at the southern border and seeking
asylum or seeking entry into the UnitedStates. Some estimates are it was as
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high as ten to twelve thousand.The concern was that once Title forty two
was lifted, those numbers were toconcrease even further, and those numbers far
surpassed the abilities of CBP to handlethat number of people. But what in
fact happened is and from what I'veheard thus far, it's a combination of
new policies put in place regarding asylumas well as weather conditions. The numbers
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actually dropped significantly over the weekend.Some estimates are as much as fifty percent.
So do you think the preparation fromHomeland Security helped and the signaling towards
those who would seek asylum is alsoworking. Yeah, you know, that's
a really good question. I Mean, one of the things that we saw
the Department of Homeland Security was avery forceful, clear message intended to those
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who may be seeking to come tothe United States. And that's important because
what we've experienced over the last severalyears is that the smugglers, the human
smugglers they're using disinformation, they're usingsocial media, you know, making up
things and sharing that with those thosepeople who may be intending to come here,
saying it's open season, the doorsare open. Just show up at
the border, you'll be allowed in. So I think it was really important
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that the Secretary was as forceful asthat said. Those millions of people are
still there, and you know,just for context, CVP can handle about
fourteen hundred to thirty five hundred encountersat the southern border a day. Even
six to eight thousand exceeds their resources. So if we start seeing those numbers
go back up, which is likely, they're going to be our resource issue.
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So we have a little bit ofbreathing room. But this lull may
not be permanent, and it's timefor Congress and others to sort of act
at the resource is there, clearup what's going what's wrong with our immigration
rules, and then hopefully we thatare prepared to deal with the situation.
We're speaking with ABC News analyst JohnCoe, and John also worked at homand
Security for a while, and I'mgoing to circle back on that in just
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a second. You mentioned social mediaright there. The Title eight was passed
in nineteen forty, not a lotof social media going on there unless it
was having at the corner store.Any progress on the sketchy app that immigrants
are being asked to use right nowor would be immigrants asked to use.
Yeah, So CVP has developed anapp that is supposed to be used by
though it's one of the rules thatif you're going to try to come to
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the Southern border and seek asylum,you have to first make an appointment through
the app. There's you know,it's always difficult rolling out a new app,
but and there's been some issues withthis one, but it is working.
The bigger problem is that, youknow, you can schedule an appointment.
You can use an app to schedulean appointment, but if there aren't
people who can adjudicate your application,then the app is only a limited value.
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And that's that's the problem. Wejust don't have enough adjudicators. And
right now I'm hearing it could takeyou know, as you try to make
your appointment for that initial interview ora court date, you could be looking
three four years down the road.So the question is what do you do
with these people? Um, they'regoing through the legal process and it's a
process that they are allowed to gothrough by international law, but there's just
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no room to house them. John, as I understand it, you served
as an under Secretary of Intelligence atHomeland for a period. Can you give
us a peak behind the curtain athow the department coordinates these kind of efforts.
This is a this is a hugepush for a proactive program. Yeah,
real quickly. I mean it's it'sthere's a you know, the secretarial
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coordinate a series of meetings internally withCDP, with Immigrations and Customers Enforcement ICE,
with the Intelligence Division, which iswhat I ran. I had a
whole unit that looked at um,you know, look at that intelligence related
issues having to do with mass migratorymovements. Um. But the coordination that
really important as the interagency coordination.So the White House will pull together the
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Defense Department, the Justice Department,the Health and Human Services DHS, and
others so that the federal government asa whole can coordinate operational planning for these
issues. And then there's the coordinationwith state and local governments that should be
occurring and with non government agencies aswell. John, thank you for that
three sixty approach. We appreciate yourtime this morning, talk to you soon.
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