December 18, 2013 • 23 mins
From Atlantis to Cuidad Blanca, Troy and Shangri-La, history is full of legends about lost civilizations. But how does humanity lose an entire city, empire or society? Are any of the stories of lost cities true? Tune in to learn more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody,
welcome back. This is stuff they don't want you to know.
My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're
(00:21):
talking about lost civilizations. Let me ask you a question
that oh, all right, all right, good, I'm glad you're
on board. Have you ever lost something? I've lost many things,
and uh, it's common throughout a lot of human literature
and art. Uh, this idea of losing things. Everybody, statistically speaking,
(00:44):
everybody has at some point lost something. It could be
something small, like your car keys. It could be something
metaphorical like yeah, one time I lost my religion. There
you go. I was listening to way too much r
EM and you know, it happens. I guess that may
say that it happens. Yeah, and you're you're in the
market for a new religion, yeah, yeah, looking around checking
(01:06):
out eBay. Well. One thing that's also weird about human
history is that we've lost big things too. We've lost
entire civilizations, we've lost entire cities, and you and I
have done several video episodes on the nature of lost
civilizations right now, that's correct. We have I believe two
(01:29):
episodes that you can find on our older channel that
one day will be brought over to our new YouTube
channel and on test Tube. But we also have a
fairly new one that we kind of started our new
channel out with about lost cities. Yeah. Yeah, that's a
two part episode. You can find all that on YouTube
and on test Tube. And we've we've talked about this
(01:51):
because it's strange when when you go back into research
on history, one thing that's weird to happen is the
further back you go, the less stark the line between
myth and reality becomes us. So that for instance, um,
if you trace back the origins of Chinese civilization, you
(02:15):
quickly run into While I say quickly depends on how
faster flipping the pages, I guess, um, you'll run into
eventually this area of time wherein the legends are the
closest thing to universal historical record. And when we us
being you know, human beings at large, when we research
(02:38):
lost civilizations, what we find is a huge wealth of
rumor legend misdirection, fable, but we also often find a
grain of truth. One thing that really blew the lid
off of law civilizations and launched it from you know,
(02:59):
kind of a speculative pseudo science wouldn't it be cool
if kind of thing and made it a real, viable,
feasible pursuit was the discovery of ancient Troy. And for uh,
for a long time, people thought that Troy the city
(03:20):
was either uh, completely fictional thing or just somewhat loosely
based on reality, the same way that a lifetime show
is inspired by true events. But come to find out
that actually is a real place, and it wasn't just
a real place. It had uh, it had layers of
(03:41):
different periods in in the civilization's history. Now we also
have other things that may or may not have some
sort of basis in fact, And we can't go any
further unless we talk about the Big A, the most
famous of all legend a loss civilizations. Matt Frederick, I'm
(04:02):
gonna let you intro this one. We have in the
left hand corner, the red corner, Atlantis fighting out of
the Pacific or the Atlantic or somewhere who knows. We
don't know where it exists, but it's there, and it's
called Atlantis. We know that for sure. Yeah, perfect intro,
and thank you. We know that it's called Atlantis because
(04:23):
this guy may have heard of named Plato, uh wrote
about it and said, yeah, there was this city around
nine thousand years before me that uh was beyond the
pillars of Heracles, to the west of Gibraltar. And he
just had some insider information. Yeah, he had some insider
(04:44):
info back before. Insider info is against the law. Um,
let me just imagine some finger quotes there on against
the law. And according to Plato's story, the people of
Atlantis angered Poseidon, uh see God pretty big deal back
in the day, and he sank this city. Now, as
we know, that's already kind of a diplomatic way, would
(05:05):
you say, it's kind of an implausible story because no
one has proved the existence of sea God's yet. Well, yeah,
and not yet. We're we're getting better at this, you know. Sorry,
Catulu fans. I like Pacific rim and Lovecraft too, but
at this point there's not too much evidence one way
or the other. Now, as we know, people have claimed
(05:28):
to find the origin of Atlantis all around the world,
in the Caribbean, in the Pacific, in the Atlantic. You'll
hear stories all the time, or you'll read stories. Um,
you'll find them usually online from let's say, not the
most reputable source talking about sunken pyramid with some pictures
(05:50):
that look to me like they've been photoshopped. I can't
prove it, but I'm pretty sure. Uh, And you'll you'll
hear about that at least once or twice a year.
And the reason that we bring up Troy in the
beginning is because for a long time, as crazy as
it sounds, the city of Troy was put up there
right around the same level of plausibility as the city
(06:11):
of Atlantis, until an archaeologist named Heinrich Schliman Schleiman rediscovered
it in the nineteenth century and hopefully, uh the journalist
at the time pronounced his name better than I just did.
Sorry Germany. Um. The key questions here that we're tackling
are how likely is it that humanity could lose entire
(06:33):
cities or civilizations? And spoiler alert, the answer is incredibly likely.
In fact, it's uh, it's fair to say that there
could be cities that are extant and known today that
could later be lost to just the slow grind of history.
And it is frighteningly plausible that there are undiscovered cities
(06:59):
right now, or rather lost cities the people who knew
who built them probably knew where they were. Um So,
so just when you're as you're talking, I'm just thinking
about the the line kind of drawn in the sand
for me, uh, about how civilization could be lost is
the record keeping techniques of whatever the day. So it
(07:22):
sounds to me as though I don't think there ever
will be another lost civilization on Earth because we have
so many records throughout the world. Internationally, we're becoming so globalized, Okay,
so we're so interconnected that even for example, if let's
just pick an isolated place, okay, like the Maldives. The
Maldives are um an island nation, one of the ones
(07:44):
at the most immediate threat of I guess sinking into
the ocean with rising sea levels. So then the argument
would be, well, now that the cost of communication across
the world is so cheap, everyone is able to find
out that the Maldives exists, it will be known that
it existed, right. It won't be lost, the structures will
(08:07):
be lost, the population will be dispersed, but it will
be known that yes, maldis really was there. We can
google map it. Yeah. See. Here's here's where I think
it gets interesting too, because I used to be on
the same page with you and that in that respect,
when we say the slow grind of history, though, let's
take it out thousands of years, because the the error,
(08:29):
or rather the flaw in this global information system is
that it depends upon uh technology, several different types of
technology in order for it to be accessed. So let's
just go dystopian, Matt. Let's say huge nuclear war. The
world is up a certain creek without a paddle. You know,
(08:53):
all the vault dwellers are are coming out of their vaults.
All the vault dwellers are coming out of their vault,
and over over the thousands, maybe even millions of years
that they've been locked in, super mutants are roaming in
the hills. Yeah, they've speciated and they're different to the
point where they can't even breed together. Um. And then
they start finding relics and they find, you know, cast
(09:20):
off bits of things that maybe wouldn't have expired, like
the ruined stone ruins, perhaps models of cola, right plastic
and uh. Then they start to piece this together and
they could rediscover it. What I guess the point we're
making is that, um, it is much less likely that
cities will be lost now as in forgotten. You know,
(09:44):
it's still it's still the same dangerous game when we
ask will cities survive because there are any number of
natural or even interstellar disasters against when human beings are
entirely helpless, entirely helpless, even the most wealthy people in
the world will just be able to use their wealth
(10:06):
to g TFO before before it hits the fan. Speaking
speaking of wealth and being a factor in the survivability
of civilization, let's talk about something that kind of strings
together all of these civilizations in humanity as a whole. Uh.
Water Ah good? And this is this is something that
we discussed in the first episode of Law Civilizations about
(10:30):
how large a factor water played in several civilizations, the
Mayan civilization, the Indusks or Haraping civilization, and even Anchor
and how water was just kind of the underlying problem
that they all ended up having to face, and when
they faced it, they had to g TFO. Um. So well, okay,
(10:54):
now now look at that today, and let's let's think
about how aquifers are being purchased, how water is largely
being privatized, and and we even it's funny. We even
mentioned back in two thousand eleven we made that first
episode that it's kind of silly. It's or not silly.
We didn't say that. We said it was kind of
fanciful to talk about water wars and the you know,
(11:18):
in the future, having a war where water is the
main resource that's being fought over. And now with a
lot of what we're seeing again with the privatization, it
seems like it may be a real thing that we're
gonna have to deal with soon. Yeah, and as soon
as a tricky word there, because do we mean soon
in the larger context of history or do we mean
(11:38):
soon as in within our lifetimes? And in that context, uh,
within your lifetime, listener, means it may as well be
happening right now. Uh. The I love that you brought
up the point about water. So in anglor watt In,
the Maya and the Haropin civilizations that we talked about
in that episode, we try to trace the fall of
(12:01):
these civilizations, and there's a frighteningly plausible argument that what
caused a lot of these civilizations to collapse or these
great cities and empires to fall was an ecological disaster.
In the case of Angkor. Why it was a lack
of water. Um. That came about because they simply had
(12:24):
a huge population of people, and of course it was
an agricultural economy, and they had great infrastructure. Yeah, they
had aquifers, they had aqueducts. Uh. There wasn't enough for
the population. Yeah, and there was an anomalous series of droughts,
so they were running on reserves for a while, and
(12:45):
then ultimately they couldn't support the people. And the story
is similar with these other two civilizations. And we find
that in that episode we find the climate change. Um,
let me take a second here. When we say climate
change is well, we don't mean the current argument about
climate change. We mean that the ecosystem in which these
(13:07):
cities were built or founded uh failed them or changed
in a way that in a way that they were
not able to adapt to in enough time to survive.
And we know that water can do uh something else
to ruin a civilization which is completely flooded. Matt, I
don't know if you saw this on read it recently,
(13:28):
but a new Egyptian city has been rediscovered it was
it's underwater now. Oh man, it's crazy. They're getting great artifacts,
hieroglyphs that are preserved almost perfectly. It's pretty incredible. And
we also know that there are numerous underwater features I
(13:50):
guess is the best word to say, like Bamini Road
or something that people have positive might be the work
of human beings as sank an of the ground. Another thing,
another way we can lose these is through volcanic eruption
like pay Yeah, you have volcanic eruptions even now can
form brand new islands. Um, just it's actually happening. You
(14:13):
can search for this, go to Google and search new
volcanic island. Yeah. And what's another thing that's kind of
I guess you know what I will say to me
this is a positive note. Uh. It is true that
with the evolving technology that we have, with our increasingly
sophisticated means of pulling our own forensic science experiments on
(14:38):
the past, we have found that, um, we got so
much stuff wrong about history. You know, we're finding footprints,
human footprints four thousand years before they're supposed to be
in a place. We're finding human d NA years ago, yeah,
older than it should be. And and we're even finding,
you know, things that qualifies completely different types of pure
(15:04):
hominic groups to human beings, which is is um a
level beyond the Neanderthal. It's it's you know, the Dennis
Silvans I believe are one of them, or the hotly
debated Homo florenzis um, which would be if if this
is true, if the most outrageous stuff is true, then
(15:24):
they would be a race of little people. It just
makes you realize that you we can't take any of
this stuff for granted. Well, we have to be vigilant
and constantly searching. And that's why science is really important, guys. Research,
it's studying the past is just as important as studying
the future. In my opinion. Yeah, and I think I
(15:46):
agree with that. It reminds me the William Falkner quotation
when he said the past isn't over, It isn't even
past yet. And let's pick up on the point about science,
because one thing that you and I ran into when
we were doing these episodes was an alarming tendency towards
bad science, primarily um. For most of the most of
(16:12):
the span of archaeology. The primary problem in the science
has been institutionalized racism. You know, European European forces come
to Africa, they find the ruins of ancient civilizations, Great
Zimbabwe or so on, and then they say, oh, well,
there's no way that native Africans could have built this.
Where is the secret lost tribe? Because that makes sense?
(16:34):
I don't know, it's so weird to me. We've we've
been getting a lot of flak on YouTube in the
comments because we've discussed we want to discuss that point
of institutionalized racism at that time period and well pretty
much in the past from this point, um, and I
it's tough for me to kind of swallow that criticism
(16:55):
because I understand what people are saying. You know, you're
playing the racism card, is I thing? And unfortunately this
is just a kind of a truth that we need
to face at some point. Well sure, and I you know,
I understand somebody saying that, but they're objecting to something
different than what we have done in that video, which
is the which is the fact, the concrete historical fact that,
(17:21):
due to pre existing notions of how the world or
human society should be, a lot of scientists who could
have made some great headway. Uh when when their time
income instead retreated back to their ideologies. And it's kind
of like the it's kind of like the Holocaust experiment stuff.
You know, it's bad science because the guys set out,
(17:43):
the people who were conducting those experiments, set out to
reach a predetermined conclusion. Now, I will say, I will
say to be absolutely fair that assuming, um, assuming that
there was no great secret to find or there was
no lost technology, is just as silly as assuming that
(18:04):
there had to be UM some you know, imagine the
most unrealistic thing you could see, right, like, um, time
travelers from the future come back and build the pyramids
to found the Masonic Order that later builds the time
machines in post apocalyptic Earth to send them back to
(18:25):
finish the loop. I mean, that's I'm just kind of
riffing on that one. But we do know, we do
know that UM, different different techniques, different processes that we
are using are bearing fruit because lost civilizations and lost
cities are being found at an unprecedented rate and across
(18:47):
the world. In South America, in the Near East, UM,
who knows what's out there in Eurasia or Siberia or
places where UM, you would have to have a massive
amount of funding to one covers something and to be
absolutely fair. Again, um, who knows what we will find.
(19:08):
I'm so excited about it. Yeah I am. I am
personally thrilled. Brings the Indiana Jones part of me that's
hidden deep down in my childhood. It just brings it
right to the surface. And when we let's see, we've
touched on a lot of stuff in this one and um,
we don't want to completely ruin the episodes for anyone
(19:29):
who hasn't seen them, and you should check them out.
One one thing that we can find if we want
to call this in favor of, you know, the quote
unquote conspiracy theorists versus the quote unquote skeptics who are
not Usually I don't like those two sides, man, Yeah,
I don't either. They're not They're kind of a false psychotomy.
(19:49):
And usually the people who are quote unquote skeptics or not. Um,
the people who often are self described skeptics are have
some preconceived notions. But and that's what we found in
a lot of our research. It doesn't lie on the
outskirts of any issue. Really, the the truth that that
we've been drilling down to it's usually somewhere near the
(20:10):
middle on one side or the other. Uh, it's usually right,
you know, right near the middle, somewhere where it's especially
with these law civilizations. Right, there's there's truth to it
that we can find in point to um. But there's
so much left that, let's say, the more imaginative ideas
can't be dismissed. Ubar Hali Gate, Shangri law, the Minoan Empire.
(20:37):
These are just these are just a few of the
examples you've heard about, Oh El Dorado for instance, um
Sue dot Blanca. What what we are finding shows us
clearly that there is a hugely favorable probability that there
are undiscovered cities. And when we say cities, we mean
(21:01):
possibly massive cities. Uh that might be underwater now due
to us shift in um land mass, or that might
be completely covered due to some other sort of disaster.
Especially now that we know from that DNA discovery recently
that humanity goes back much further than we thought. So
(21:22):
we need to start looking in places that perhaps have
been covered over for three thousand years. Oh yeah, what
if the ice caps melt and it turns out that
this has been in the south Pole the entire time.
It's I mean, it's crazy to think about it. It
sounds silly, but yeah, well it's not necessarily silly. It's
it's silly if we say that's definitely gonna happen. But
(21:43):
but it is a point of departure, and this is
um Honestly, this is an exciting time to be alive,
not just for an archaeologists, but this is an exciting
time to be alive for anyone who wants to see
how the official narrative of history has been wrong and
(22:03):
humanity as a whole, and and the official story of
humanity as a whole. So we're gonna go ahead and
wrap it up on that note, we hope that you
do check out our four episodes on lost cities, uh
everywhere from anglor Want to Atlantis and everything between, and
we would love to hear your stories and your opinions
(22:26):
about these lost cities. And on the off chance that
you have solid evidence of something that completely contradicts the
historical narrative of you know, your textbooks and your teachers
and the news or whatever, we want you to come
to us with it. We would love to learn more
(22:48):
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From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hey, everybody,
welcome back. This is stuff they don't want you to know.
My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and today we're
(00:21):
talking about lost civilizations. Let me ask you a question
that oh, all right, all right, good, I'm glad you're
on board. Have you ever lost something? I've lost many things,
and uh, it's common throughout a lot of human literature
and art. Uh, this idea of losing things. Everybody, statistically speaking,
(00:44):
everybody has at some point lost something. It could be
something small, like your car keys. It could be something
metaphorical like yeah, one time I lost my religion. There
you go. I was listening to way too much r
EM and you know, it happens. I guess that may
say that it happens. Yeah, and you're you're in the
market for a new religion, yeah, yeah, looking around checking
(01:06):
out eBay. Well. One thing that's also weird about human
history is that we've lost big things too. We've lost
entire civilizations, we've lost entire cities, and you and I
have done several video episodes on the nature of lost
civilizations right now, that's correct. We have I believe two
(01:29):
episodes that you can find on our older channel that
one day will be brought over to our new YouTube
channel and on test Tube. But we also have a
fairly new one that we kind of started our new
channel out with about lost cities. Yeah. Yeah, that's a
two part episode. You can find all that on YouTube
and on test Tube. And we've we've talked about this
(01:51):
because it's strange when when you go back into research
on history, one thing that's weird to happen is the
further back you go, the less stark the line between
myth and reality becomes us. So that for instance, um,
if you trace back the origins of Chinese civilization, you
(02:15):
quickly run into While I say quickly depends on how
faster flipping the pages, I guess, um, you'll run into
eventually this area of time wherein the legends are the
closest thing to universal historical record. And when we us
being you know, human beings at large, when we research
(02:38):
lost civilizations, what we find is a huge wealth of
rumor legend misdirection, fable, but we also often find a
grain of truth. One thing that really blew the lid
off of law civilizations and launched it from you know,
(02:59):
kind of a speculative pseudo science wouldn't it be cool
if kind of thing and made it a real, viable,
feasible pursuit was the discovery of ancient Troy. And for uh,
for a long time, people thought that Troy the city
(03:20):
was either uh, completely fictional thing or just somewhat loosely
based on reality, the same way that a lifetime show
is inspired by true events. But come to find out
that actually is a real place, and it wasn't just
a real place. It had uh, it had layers of
(03:41):
different periods in in the civilization's history. Now we also
have other things that may or may not have some
sort of basis in fact, And we can't go any
further unless we talk about the Big A, the most
famous of all legend a loss civilizations. Matt Frederick, I'm
(04:02):
gonna let you intro this one. We have in the
left hand corner, the red corner, Atlantis fighting out of
the Pacific or the Atlantic or somewhere who knows. We
don't know where it exists, but it's there, and it's
called Atlantis. We know that for sure. Yeah, perfect intro,
and thank you. We know that it's called Atlantis because
(04:23):
this guy may have heard of named Plato, uh wrote
about it and said, yeah, there was this city around
nine thousand years before me that uh was beyond the
pillars of Heracles, to the west of Gibraltar. And he
just had some insider information. Yeah, he had some insider
(04:44):
info back before. Insider info is against the law. Um,
let me just imagine some finger quotes there on against
the law. And according to Plato's story, the people of
Atlantis angered Poseidon, uh see God pretty big deal back
in the day, and he sank this city. Now, as
we know, that's already kind of a diplomatic way, would
(05:05):
you say, it's kind of an implausible story because no
one has proved the existence of sea God's yet. Well, yeah,
and not yet. We're we're getting better at this, you know. Sorry,
Catulu fans. I like Pacific rim and Lovecraft too, but
at this point there's not too much evidence one way
or the other. Now, as we know, people have claimed
(05:28):
to find the origin of Atlantis all around the world,
in the Caribbean, in the Pacific, in the Atlantic. You'll
hear stories all the time, or you'll read stories. Um,
you'll find them usually online from let's say, not the
most reputable source talking about sunken pyramid with some pictures
(05:50):
that look to me like they've been photoshopped. I can't
prove it, but I'm pretty sure. Uh, And you'll you'll
hear about that at least once or twice a year.
And the reason that we bring up Troy in the
beginning is because for a long time, as crazy as
it sounds, the city of Troy was put up there
right around the same level of plausibility as the city
(06:11):
of Atlantis, until an archaeologist named Heinrich Schliman Schleiman rediscovered
it in the nineteenth century and hopefully, uh the journalist
at the time pronounced his name better than I just did.
Sorry Germany. Um. The key questions here that we're tackling
are how likely is it that humanity could lose entire
(06:33):
cities or civilizations? And spoiler alert, the answer is incredibly likely.
In fact, it's uh, it's fair to say that there
could be cities that are extant and known today that
could later be lost to just the slow grind of history.
And it is frighteningly plausible that there are undiscovered cities
(06:59):
right now, or rather lost cities the people who knew
who built them probably knew where they were. Um So,
so just when you're as you're talking, I'm just thinking
about the the line kind of drawn in the sand
for me, uh, about how civilization could be lost is
the record keeping techniques of whatever the day. So it
(07:22):
sounds to me as though I don't think there ever
will be another lost civilization on Earth because we have
so many records throughout the world. Internationally, we're becoming so globalized, Okay,
so we're so interconnected that even for example, if let's
just pick an isolated place, okay, like the Maldives. The
Maldives are um an island nation, one of the ones
(07:44):
at the most immediate threat of I guess sinking into
the ocean with rising sea levels. So then the argument
would be, well, now that the cost of communication across
the world is so cheap, everyone is able to find
out that the Maldives exists, it will be known that
it existed, right. It won't be lost, the structures will
(08:07):
be lost, the population will be dispersed, but it will
be known that yes, maldis really was there. We can
google map it. Yeah. See. Here's here's where I think
it gets interesting too, because I used to be on
the same page with you and that in that respect,
when we say the slow grind of history, though, let's
take it out thousands of years, because the the error,
(08:29):
or rather the flaw in this global information system is
that it depends upon uh technology, several different types of
technology in order for it to be accessed. So let's
just go dystopian, Matt. Let's say huge nuclear war. The
world is up a certain creek without a paddle. You know,
(08:53):
all the vault dwellers are are coming out of their vaults.
All the vault dwellers are coming out of their vault,
and over over the thousands, maybe even millions of years
that they've been locked in, super mutants are roaming in
the hills. Yeah, they've speciated and they're different to the
point where they can't even breed together. Um. And then
they start finding relics and they find, you know, cast
(09:20):
off bits of things that maybe wouldn't have expired, like
the ruined stone ruins, perhaps models of cola, right plastic
and uh. Then they start to piece this together and
they could rediscover it. What I guess the point we're
making is that, um, it is much less likely that
cities will be lost now as in forgotten. You know,
(09:44):
it's still it's still the same dangerous game when we
ask will cities survive because there are any number of
natural or even interstellar disasters against when human beings are
entirely helpless, entirely helpless, even the most wealthy people in
the world will just be able to use their wealth
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to g TFO before before it hits the fan. Speaking
speaking of wealth and being a factor in the survivability
of civilization, let's talk about something that kind of strings
together all of these civilizations in humanity as a whole. Uh.
Water Ah good? And this is this is something that
we discussed in the first episode of Law Civilizations about
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how large a factor water played in several civilizations, the
Mayan civilization, the Indusks or Haraping civilization, and even Anchor
and how water was just kind of the underlying problem
that they all ended up having to face, and when
they faced it, they had to g TFO. Um. So well, okay,
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now now look at that today, and let's let's think
about how aquifers are being purchased, how water is largely
being privatized, and and we even it's funny. We even
mentioned back in two thousand eleven we made that first
episode that it's kind of silly. It's or not silly.
We didn't say that. We said it was kind of
fanciful to talk about water wars and the you know,
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in the future, having a war where water is the
main resource that's being fought over. And now with a
lot of what we're seeing again with the privatization, it
seems like it may be a real thing that we're
gonna have to deal with soon. Yeah, and as soon
as a tricky word there, because do we mean soon
in the larger context of history or do we mean
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soon as in within our lifetimes? And in that context, uh,
within your lifetime, listener, means it may as well be
happening right now. Uh. The I love that you brought
up the point about water. So in anglor watt In,
the Maya and the Haropin civilizations that we talked about
in that episode, we try to trace the fall of
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these civilizations, and there's a frighteningly plausible argument that what
caused a lot of these civilizations to collapse or these
great cities and empires to fall was an ecological disaster.
In the case of Angkor. Why it was a lack
of water. Um. That came about because they simply had
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a huge population of people, and of course it was
an agricultural economy, and they had great infrastructure. Yeah, they
had aquifers, they had aqueducts. Uh. There wasn't enough for
the population. Yeah, and there was an anomalous series of droughts,
so they were running on reserves for a while, and
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then ultimately they couldn't support the people. And the story
is similar with these other two civilizations. And we find
that in that episode we find the climate change. Um,
let me take a second here. When we say climate
change is well, we don't mean the current argument about
climate change. We mean that the ecosystem in which these
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cities were built or founded uh failed them or changed
in a way that in a way that they were
not able to adapt to in enough time to survive.
And we know that water can do uh something else
to ruin a civilization which is completely flooded. Matt, I
don't know if you saw this on read it recently,
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but a new Egyptian city has been rediscovered it was
it's underwater now. Oh man, it's crazy. They're getting great artifacts,
hieroglyphs that are preserved almost perfectly. It's pretty incredible. And
we also know that there are numerous underwater features I
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guess is the best word to say, like Bamini Road
or something that people have positive might be the work
of human beings as sank an of the ground. Another thing,
another way we can lose these is through volcanic eruption
like pay Yeah, you have volcanic eruptions even now can
form brand new islands. Um, just it's actually happening. You
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can search for this, go to Google and search new
volcanic island. Yeah. And what's another thing that's kind of
I guess you know what I will say to me
this is a positive note. Uh. It is true that
with the evolving technology that we have, with our increasingly
sophisticated means of pulling our own forensic science experiments on
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the past, we have found that, um, we got so
much stuff wrong about history. You know, we're finding footprints,
human footprints four thousand years before they're supposed to be
in a place. We're finding human d NA years ago, yeah,
older than it should be. And and we're even finding,
you know, things that qualifies completely different types of pure
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hominic groups to human beings, which is is um a
level beyond the Neanderthal. It's it's you know, the Dennis
Silvans I believe are one of them, or the hotly
debated Homo florenzis um, which would be if if this
is true, if the most outrageous stuff is true, then
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they would be a race of little people. It just
makes you realize that you we can't take any of
this stuff for granted. Well, we have to be vigilant
and constantly searching. And that's why science is really important, guys. Research,
it's studying the past is just as important as studying
the future. In my opinion. Yeah, and I think I
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agree with that. It reminds me the William Falkner quotation
when he said the past isn't over, It isn't even
past yet. And let's pick up on the point about science,
because one thing that you and I ran into when
we were doing these episodes was an alarming tendency towards
bad science, primarily um. For most of the most of
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the span of archaeology. The primary problem in the science
has been institutionalized racism. You know, European European forces come
to Africa, they find the ruins of ancient civilizations, Great
Zimbabwe or so on, and then they say, oh, well,
there's no way that native Africans could have built this.
Where is the secret lost tribe? Because that makes sense?
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I don't know, it's so weird to me. We've we've
been getting a lot of flak on YouTube in the
comments because we've discussed we want to discuss that point
of institutionalized racism at that time period and well pretty
much in the past from this point, um, and I
it's tough for me to kind of swallow that criticism
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because I understand what people are saying. You know, you're
playing the racism card, is I thing? And unfortunately this
is just a kind of a truth that we need
to face at some point. Well sure, and I you know,
I understand somebody saying that, but they're objecting to something
different than what we have done in that video, which
is the which is the fact, the concrete historical fact that,
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due to pre existing notions of how the world or
human society should be, a lot of scientists who could
have made some great headway. Uh when when their time
income instead retreated back to their ideologies. And it's kind
of like the it's kind of like the Holocaust experiment stuff.
You know, it's bad science because the guys set out,
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the people who were conducting those experiments, set out to
reach a predetermined conclusion. Now, I will say, I will
say to be absolutely fair that assuming, um, assuming that
there was no great secret to find or there was
no lost technology, is just as silly as assuming that
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there had to be UM some you know, imagine the
most unrealistic thing you could see, right, like, um, time
travelers from the future come back and build the pyramids
to found the Masonic Order that later builds the time
machines in post apocalyptic Earth to send them back to
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finish the loop. I mean, that's I'm just kind of
riffing on that one. But we do know, we do
know that UM, different different techniques, different processes that we
are using are bearing fruit because lost civilizations and lost
cities are being found at an unprecedented rate and across
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the world. In South America, in the Near East, UM,
who knows what's out there in Eurasia or Siberia or
places where UM, you would have to have a massive
amount of funding to one covers something and to be
absolutely fair. Again, um, who knows what we will find.
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I'm so excited about it. Yeah I am. I am
personally thrilled. Brings the Indiana Jones part of me that's
hidden deep down in my childhood. It just brings it
right to the surface. And when we let's see, we've
touched on a lot of stuff in this one and um,
we don't want to completely ruin the episodes for anyone
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who hasn't seen them, and you should check them out.
One one thing that we can find if we want
to call this in favor of, you know, the quote
unquote conspiracy theorists versus the quote unquote skeptics who are
not Usually I don't like those two sides, man, Yeah,
I don't either. They're not They're kind of a false psychotomy.
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And usually the people who are quote unquote skeptics or not. Um,
the people who often are self described skeptics are have
some preconceived notions. But and that's what we found in
a lot of our research. It doesn't lie on the
outskirts of any issue. Really, the the truth that that
we've been drilling down to it's usually somewhere near the
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middle on one side or the other. Uh, it's usually right,
you know, right near the middle, somewhere where it's especially
with these law civilizations. Right, there's there's truth to it
that we can find in point to um. But there's
so much left that, let's say, the more imaginative ideas
can't be dismissed. Ubar Hali Gate, Shangri law, the Minoan Empire.
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These are just these are just a few of the
examples you've heard about, Oh El Dorado for instance, um
Sue dot Blanca. What what we are finding shows us
clearly that there is a hugely favorable probability that there
are undiscovered cities. And when we say cities, we mean
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possibly massive cities. Uh that might be underwater now due
to us shift in um land mass, or that might
be completely covered due to some other sort of disaster.
Especially now that we know from that DNA discovery recently
that humanity goes back much further than we thought. So
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we need to start looking in places that perhaps have
been covered over for three thousand years. Oh yeah, what
if the ice caps melt and it turns out that
this has been in the south Pole the entire time.
It's I mean, it's crazy to think about it. It
sounds silly, but yeah, well it's not necessarily silly. It's
it's silly if we say that's definitely gonna happen. But
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but it is a point of departure, and this is
um Honestly, this is an exciting time to be alive,
not just for an archaeologists, but this is an exciting
time to be alive for anyone who wants to see
how the official narrative of history has been wrong and
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humanity as a whole, and and the official story of
humanity as a whole. So we're gonna go ahead and
wrap it up on that note, we hope that you
do check out our four episodes on lost cities, uh
everywhere from anglor Want to Atlantis and everything between, and
we would love to hear your stories and your opinions
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about these lost cities. And on the off chance that
you have solid evidence of something that completely contradicts the
historical narrative of you know, your textbooks and your teachers
and the news or whatever, we want you to come
to us with it. We would love to learn more
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