April 8, 2020 • 50 mins
Whether you consider yourself a true conspiracy theorist or a diehard skeptic, you've definitely heard of chemtrails. True believers are certain that, unlike the contrails made by aircraft, chemtrails are insidious chemicals dispersions meant to poison unsuspecting, innocent civilians across the planet. The concept of chemtrails has been more or less dismissed by scientists and the mainstream media, but it turns out that, in at least one country, something like chemtrails was very much a reality. Tune in to learn more.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is no They call
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Paul, Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. We wanted to start the show today.
You know, we always usually do a little bit of
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a check in, but we wanted to start the show
today with a bit of a state of the union.
As you and millions of other people here this show today.
You odds are you are listening to it while you
are bunker it a weigh somewhere, possibly self isolating, and
we want you to know that the four of us Noel, Paul,
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Matt and myself are doing the same. This is our
first episode that we're recording remotely. Yes it's true. Ben.
Are we allowed to spoil what's going on with you
right now? Or is this just for us? Please feel free,
feel free, well bad, but well you know not only
are we seeing each other for the first time. Well,
Paul's usually on the other side of some sort of screen,
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a glass screen, but now it's a real virtual screen.
Ben is wearing uh something of a costume today, um,
and I'm quite enjoying it. Slash terrified by it. Well
it okay, I just want to describe ben situation a
little bit. Ben, stop me if it's too much. In
the shot of Ben, we've got a luchador mask that
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is white and red primarily in color that Ben is wearing.
It looks epic. He's got his headphones on behind him,
there's a there's the cutest cat that you've ever seen,
and some candles in it just looks like an epic
uh time. I just want to be hanging out over there,
but I'm stuck here in my house. Um. Which, by
the way, you may hear a child running around every
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once in a while, hopefully not, but you may end
up hearing that in these recordings. We'll do our best
to remove it. Matt. Did you leave out the Batha
met altar on purpose or were you just thinking we
would spare people in detail. That's just it's just the
way my office looks, Guys. I'm sorry, no I was
talking about Ben's Batha met altar. Oh, I want to
describe everybody's set up here. So Noel, since since you're
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up right now, I want to say, Uh, Noel is
by a windows, got a lovely Uh you're you're a
bit of a connoisseur of art. So Noel's got some
awesome art hanging up there in the back and then
one by the window. And you've got you've got kind
of a glow from the window. Man, it looks really cool. Thanks. Man,
it's sort of a back lighting situation. I appreciate you
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acknowledging my glow. And is that a stratocaster? What is
hanging out that? Is a jazz a master? Oh yeah,
I've been doing a little work on I got the
action just like I like it, and uh got a
bunch of cool effects pedals that I've been toying around
with keeping myself from losing my mind. And uh, let's
pass it to Let's pass it to perhaps the third
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and most mysterious bunker. Uh not. You look like you
are in an episode of one of our favorite shows,
The X Files. You've got this amazingly this this like
dramatic lighting and just on what is your left side
is just a little bit of light. Yeah, I've got
a window open and I've turned off all electrical devices
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I possibly can, because in testing my mic out here,
I noticed that there's electrical interference all over this room.
I don't know if it's a power line situation, if
it's just the electrical in my house. And I've never
really attempted to use one of these mics here before,
but it sounds awful. Oh wait a second, wait a second. Match,
So you're are you using one of those condenser mics
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the U S B mix it is? It is a
USB mike, yes, but it looks like an SM just
you know, a standard handheld mike. But it is another
another part of this image of you is you've got
one of those pop filters. So when your face is
behind that, it's like there's this giant black screen completely
blotting out your face. It looks like a character from
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Sin City or something. It's it's quite remarkable and an eerie. Yeah.
When one extra thing is I always turn my head
when I breathe because I'm a professional, you know, um
shout out to Tay. All right, let's uh, let's do
this you guys. Let's by the way, we we need
to just again, Ben you already kind of talk to
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everybody already, but just to know that it is genuine
and coming from our hearts. We we really are thinking
about each and every one of you, specifically you listening
to this right now, and what you're going through, what
what you're having to do to stay safe and protect
everybody else. Sometimes right now feels uh scary. I would say,
there's there's a lot of anxiety that comes along with
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our situation that we all find ourselves in. But um,
just know that by taking the precautions you're taking, you're
you're not only protecting yourself and the people you love,
but but everybody. So just keep going strong. Well said,
Well said. And we want to hear from you folks.
So we've given you a brief update on our our
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bunker situations. So we'd love to hear updates from your
neck of the global woods. If you want to send
us a photo of your current battle station, if you
want to give us your observations, reach out, feel free
to We're on Twitter, We're on Facebook, or on Instagram,
all that jazz. As we've said, uh, we're we're all
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in the midst of this, this pandemic occurring. Together. We
have more coming regarding the current crisis, the conspiracies and
the consequences involved. And today we thought, since so many
people are suffering from COVID nineteen news fatigue, that we
might collectively enjoy a dive into something largely unrelated. KIM trails.
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Are they real? Oh buddy, here are the facts? Okay,
First off, we need to differentiade between some pretty often
conflated UH concepts phenomena. While KIM trails are pretty controversial
and often the subject of tons of conspiracy theories, contrails
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are a distinct different and actual facts, proven things. So
what is a contrail? Um? It all comes down to jets.
Jet engines you out super super hot air and because
water vapor is also one of the byproducts of the exhaust,
the air is also incredibly humid. Where these jets fly,
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the air is typically cold, often below negative forty degrees fahrenheit. Additionally, uh,
the atmosphere at that altitude has very low vapor pressure
UM or the force that's exerted by a gas on
its surrounding environment. Yeah, that's right. And when this jet
engine is emitting this hot, humid air into that atmosphere
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you describe nold that's so cold and has low vapor pressure,
it results in condensation, and the water vapor coming out
of the engine very quickly condenses into water droplets, and
then it very quickly crystallizes into ice. Those are what
we see forming behind a jet engine. Those are the contrails,
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and that stands for of course, it's it's short for
rather condensation trails. We have a we have a pretty
good example of like how how you can witness this
phenomenon for yourself. Yeah, it's pretty simple. If you've ever
been outside before when it's very cold, or maybe inside,
and you breathe out slowly, you know, more of a
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than a pushing air quickly out of your mouth. Um,
that puff of air dissipates really quickly when it's dry,
even if it is very very cold. But um, you know,
if you do that on a day that's a little
more human, it might stick around quite a bit longer.
And it's the same with contrails. When the atmosphere is
more humid. The contrails, just like your breath, we're gonna
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they're gonna linger out there in the atmosphere for a
longer time before they dissipate. But again, when you've got
a drier atmosphere, they are going to just kind of
um just go away a lot faster. And you've probably
witnessed this before. You've probably seen a couple of different
kinds of contrails or streaks across the sky that maybe
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you think is a contrail or a chem trail, but
you're not really sure. But you've probably witnessed them dissipate
extremely quickly behind a jet engine or you know, an
airplane and aircraft, and you've also probably seen them linger
for a long time. If it feels like ours, just
just remember that you have seen this before, right, you've
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seen it before. But many of your friends may have
assured you already that you have sometimes seen contrails and
sometimes seen something else, something called a chem trail. According
to its proponents, a chem trail is something much more
insidious because while a contrail is understood to be more
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or less benign, according to these theories, a chem trail
is purposely designed and dispersed to expose large swaths of
unknowing people to any variety of chemicals. So here's the idea, basically, UH,
these can theory these chemicals might be intended to create
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some sort of widespread physical change to populations UM, animals,
the environment, or plants, or create some kind of wide
read psychological phenomenon changes in human beings for example. A
lot of conspiracy theorists um to to use the term
of abuse I guess here, often get hung up on
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this notion based on super anecdote evidence that UH epidemics
of blue like symptoms, for example, can be connected to
instances of chem trails, or, in an incredibly extreme version,
the idea is that chem trails could be used as
a form of population control, um weaving out the sick
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and elderly. So um, this is all some pretty extreme stuff.
Let's let's go into a quick history of this before
we get to been out of shape here, right. So,
if you were, let's say, in the nineteen seventies or
nineteen eighties, trying to learn about the idea of chem trails,
you wouldn't have found the term. It's fairly recent. These
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theories first came into the mainstream world in the nineteen
nineties under under Art Bell's work at Coast to Coast
AM and they blew up in the mainstream. First on
the fringe, but then in the mainstream. They're actually mentioned
in congress. US House Bill HR seven banned various types
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of weapons in space, but it also originally started out
with a reference to Kim trails. Ultimately this reference was removed.
But you know, people who believe in Kim trails will
say this thing in congressional record is indicative of it
being a real problem that was on October two, two
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thousand one. But the mention specifically alludes to it not existing, right. Uh,
the mention says, uh. The mention when it was introduced
by Dennis Kucinich, did seem to like, did imply that
there is potential for some kind of weapon that would
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be called a Kim trail. But they removed it because
there's no scientific proof about this, I see. I think
I'm confusing this with the group of Harvard engineers that
David Keith was leading, um who was the professor of
applied physics at Harvard's John A. Paulson's School of Engineering,
and there was a quote from him that that says this,
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we have not seen any credible evidence that Kim trails exist.
If we did, uh see any evidence that governments were
endangering their own citizens in that manner a llegend kim
truck conspiracies, we would be eager to expose and stop
such activities. Yeah, um, although we didn't do that when
we were using essentially kim trails as a weapon of
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war during you know, the Vietnam War or in other
conflicts where we were actually sprying things in the air
to kill you know, both plants and to potentially harm
enemy combatants. So I mean not not not even to
mention things like weaponizing insects. And this is a crazy one,
but there was that whole experiment where the U. S.
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Government dropped uh flea bombs on poor parts of I
believe it was Louisiana and Florida, ben isn't that right? Yeah,
that's correct. But but just specifically, I mean, I'm not
I'm not trying to discount or play that down. Well,
it's just specifically using aircraft to spray noxious chemicals over
a population or an area um as a weapon of war.
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And I only mentioned the fleet thing because it was
specifically to spread biological agents to like you know, diminish
people and give them like you know, malaria and stuff
or potentially, you know, use it as as as an
agent of war as well. Sure, And really what we're
setting up here is the difference between the the intense
theories that are out there, right, and then what established
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science says about camera trail specifically spraying at these higher altitudes,
right right. That's that's why, that's why David Keith's quote
is what am I go to answers when people ask
what the scoop is regarding the misinformation, the disinformation, the allegations,
and of course the facts, because that statement seems pretty conclusive,
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and Keith and his team of engineers are not some
kind of rogue renegades from the ivory towers of the Academy.
What they're stating is the status quo establishment conclusion. And
while this may seem comforting, the truth, it turns out,
isn't as cut and dried. Will tell you the truth
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warts and all. After a word from our sponsor. Here's
where it gets crazy. This actually happened. Tim Trails actually happened,
and not just not just the dispersal that you had
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mentioned earlier, Matt in Times of War or famously over St. Louis.
Here in the US. We know for a fact that
the United Kingdom did conspire to secretly experiment on their population,
not just their service members, but on their civilian population
through the deployment of what could be reasonably described as
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chem trails. Yes, so here's the basics. Starting in the
British government used the unsuspecting domestic public as actual facts
guinea pigs for biological and chemical warfare experiments. UH and
more than seven hundred and fifty secret ops, hundreds of
thousands of people were subjected to what they called mock
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biological and chemical warfax fair attacks from aircraft, ships, and
road vehicles. And this went on until nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, yeah,
And don't be fooled by that idea of mock biological
and chemical warfare attacks. These weren't all dry runs, these
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weren't all war games. In fact, many of these tests
involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro organisms over huge
amounts of the population without the public ever being told.
And think about think about that span of time there,
that's almost forty years ninety to nineteen seventy nine. These
were designed by the Ministry of Defense to UH to
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assess what would happen to the UK if Russian forces
released you know, clouds of a biological or chemical weapon
across the country. But here's the deal. In most of
the cases throughout this long period of time, the trials
didn't use biological weapons, but some kind of alternative that
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the scientists thought would maybe mimic germ warfare in some way.
And the Ministry of Defense claimed, you know, these substances
that they were using were actually going to be harmless. However,
and it's a big however here there are certain areas
around the uk UH where the families there would have children,
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and these children would have birth defects, and those families
in particular are demanding a very specific and public inquiry
into the substances that were used during these tests and
really just to get as much public information as possible
about them. Yeah, and they met with no shortage of
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red tape, something that you could arguably describe as stonewalling.
So the the outcry that hit in would say two
thousand to two thousand four came about partially because of
something called Operation Antler. Operation Antler was the official investigation
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into the activities that we're sighting. From forty to seventy nine,
they were headquartered or masterminded maybe is a better word.
From a place a lot of people in the U
S probably have never heard of. It's called Porton Down.
Porton Down is a science compound in Wiltshire, England. It's
called Porton Down because it's just northeast of Porton which
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is a village near Salisbury. It's home to two British facilities,
the Ministry of Defenses Defense Science and Technology Laboratory and
a site of Public Health England. The d s t
L Defense Science and Technology Laboratory has been known as
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one of the most secretive and controversial research facilities in
the British military for over a hundred years. So think of, um,
what's the place in Australia Pine flats? Pine gag? That's
it's like Pine Gap yep. And the inquiries that the
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public and former service members have been raising established that
a number of the people participate aiding in the Service
Volunteer Program a KA where the soldiers can sign up
to be exposed. Uh. They claim that they were tricked
into taking part in these experiments. They had consent but
not informed consent, and then some of these retired service
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members also claimed to have suffered long term illness or
injury in some cases, you know, similar to the well
in some ways similar to Vietnam veterans reporting of exposure
to agent orange. And then again, as you said, Matt,
long tail intergenerational effects like birth defects, and it doesn't
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stop there. Yes, it's true. Researched by a gentleman named
Olf Schmidt, who's the professor of modern history at the
University of Kent, revealed that British military aircraft dropped thousands
of kilos of chemicals that possessed quote largely unknown toxic
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potential on British civilian populations. Um in the Salisbury area
in Wiltshire, um Cartington in Bedfordshire and Norwich in Norfolk.
Around forty kilos of the chemical zinc cadmium sulfide, which
is now known to be or at least thought to
be pretty carson and genic potentially on account of its
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containing cadmium um. And this was allegedly dispersed from ships,
aircraft and moving trucks or as they call them in
the UK loris between nineteen fifty three and nineteen sixty four.
And again we're looking to Old Schmidt here, who who
wrote a book called Secret Science and within this book
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he also shows that commuters in the London underground were
subjected to very similar illegal experiments. And you know, just
before we continue on here, do you do you guys
remember or are you listening? Do you remember warnings about
tests within New York subway system where they were going
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to do some testing with dispersed itse of some sort
um to see how chemicals or agents would move throughout
the transit system underground in New York. Do you guys
remember that? Oh? Yeah, I love that reasoning too. Let's
just see what happens. Well, yeah, well, the there's this
concept of attempting to experiment with in this case, just
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the thing I'm talking about here, to see where a
contagion would travel if it got released in a specific
station underneath in terms of the air patterns, or where
it would be carried like through which tunnels and that
we where would go? Or well yeah, and and as
computers you know, are are subjected to it get onto
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a train that get off somewhere, how quickly does it
spurs throughout the Manhattan Island or you know, how far
does it go? But this is the same kind of
thing here a little bit. But it's it's closer closer
to human experimentation in my in my opinion at least,
right right, right, So this is very important I want
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to interject here. It is still human experimentation. The stuff
in New York, from what I can recall, was just
exactly what you said. It was a modeling exercise to
take an inner substance or material that would still behave
the same way as a weaponized aerosol and be trackable
so we could monitor the spread, which is actually a
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pretty smart thing to do. But the ethical quandary there
is if you tell people you're doing that, no matter
how how transparent you are about how harmless it is,
people aren't going to ride public transit if they can
help it. Why would you expose yourself? And you know,
this is an understandable fear because, like like we referenced
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with Professor Schmidt in his book Secret Science, the operations
on the London Underground involved the release of large quantity
is of a bacteria called Bacillus globeg or globe big
in The scientists wanted to say they wanted to determine
whether quote, long distance travel of aerosols in the tube
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was due to transportation within the trains themselves, or whether
the big weak point was the air ventilations in the tube.
From what I recall, both were pretty bad. But this
isn't all that the UK did. We're gonna pause for
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you about how these experiments went global while they were
still classified and top secret. So we have returned. It's true,
conspiracy realists, these experiments did go global. The research also
reveals that these experiments occurred in another part of the world.
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It was a British imperial possession at the time. This
was Nigeria. Chemical warfare trials were held there as well,
and we even found the specific area of Nigeria in
which they were held. A place called Abanna Goro in
southern Nigeria specifically was the site of four British Cold
War scientific missions that's spent a total around fifteen months
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dispersing and assessing the effects of large quantities of experimental
nerve gas weapons. Um So this this location was important
because it permitted field trials to be carried out in
a tropical environment and of course that was not uh
in Britain or Australia. Right Importantly, and that means that
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there was much less oversight and people were also much
less likely to be able to successfully inquire with the
government about the possible detrimental effects. And before we you know,
we kind of conclude here, there's there's another experimentation that
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that calls back to just this concept of putting out
weird agents or clouds of terrifying things to test both
how the air is going to disperse them, um, you know,
in whatever else whatever other parameters are being tested. There.
There's an instance from nineteen fifty two where on the
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on the west coast of Scotland there was a cloud
of bacteria, not just any bacteria, not like the ones
that were released into the London underground, literally plague bacteria,
cloud of it that was released to see essentially to
test again, like in all these instances, what happens to
this stuff when it just goes into the air, Where
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does it go? What happens to it? Well, there was
a fishing fishing boat that happened to travel through this
cloud of freaking plague bacteria as a vessel full of fishermen.
They just went right through it and there was this horrible,
you know, feeling in the pits of the stomachs of
the people experimenting that. Oh wow, um, let's see, I
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wonder if any of those guys are actually going to
get plague. Ben, I don't know if you read about
this one, but if it's just really really creepy to
think that, unknowingly you could drive your your boat, your
ship that has a bunch of just working class people
through a cloud that ends up being plague. Yeah. The
same reports confirmed that the government was dispersing anthrax like
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not not an inert chemical, actual anthrax. Uh. And they
were doing this not just off the Scottish coast but
also all around the Caribbean. Uh. And that the that
that even in the highest halls of UK government there
was tacit approval. So people may have had plausible deniability,
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but they knew what was going on and they let
it happen again for decades and decades and decades. And
just the one other quick thing here, it's noted in
both the Independent and I believe in the Guardian newspaper
that the Bahamas, this this the territory of the Bahamas,
was seen by a lot of the scientists performing these
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kinds of tests as the absolute best place to carry
out these kinds of surface tests without any kind of restriction.
Just be aware of that. And it was there something
that was particularly appealing about these tropical climates. Yeah, a
couple of things. First, just the environment given given that
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it had enough similarities geographically, if not climate wise, it
just had enough geographic similarities to the United Kingdom, which
again is you know, a collection of archipelagos. So this
is a good way to see how something, how land
mass with a with a huge coastline, could be affected
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by maritime dispersal. That's why it's off the coast instead
of you know, on the on the land in those experiments,
And just to give a little bit of clarity there
about the Bahamas, it was this is a quote from
the Independent, It was an uninhabited island in the Bahamas.
In the sea near that uninhabited island, So it wasn't
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you know, necessarily directly on up the population of the
Bahamas where people are living. But it's still very close
and with all of the winds that that are happening
out there, you know, you can pretty much predict the weather.
Ben But how about it, what's the quote we always
like to use about the weather. The meteorologists are alchemists. No, well,
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it's yeah, you're right though, especially in that case, they
were not working super hard to do their due diligence
about whether people would be endangered. Uh. The specific stuff
they deployed was venezuelan equine and cephalitis in that uninhabited
island in the Bahamas. This kills donkeys and horses, but
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it can also kill human beings and it can be
spread by mosquitoes when they bite the horses or the donkeys.
This is an addition to by the way G series
nerve agents that was deployed in Nigeria that that can
do things like um cause loss of certain bodily functions. Uh.
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If you survive, you'll have long term neurological damage, psychiatric disorders.
And then of course we've mentioned the Bacterium basilis globe
bidgy globe by G. I'm not entirely certain on that. Uh,
that can also cause fevers occasionally fatal. This is heavy
duty stuff. This was not you know, we can't emphasize
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this enough. This This was not just like silly string
they were spraying around or fabreeze or something. Uh, neither
of which are sponsoring the show. This was these were
weapons of murder potentially, And you can say that this
was a scenario to figure out how how it would
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spread during an attack from an antagonistic force, But the
reality of the matter is it was not a dry run.
The idea that we're doing this for quote unquote defense
falls far short of justifying what actually happened. So this
all means that, yeah, in a way, kim trails were
very very real. At least if I kim trails, we
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mean the concept of illegal and dangerous aerossol dispersals. Well,
you certainly don't need a weather man to know which
way the Eastern Equine and cephalitis blows. It's well, that's
that's whichever way the wind wind blows. I guess, um
that's that's upsetting though, Um, but yeah, I guess I
guess we can put that one to bed. I mean,
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I don't know, like when when we talk about chem trails, though,
I think the the the big picture thinking behind them
as a conspiracy is largely still kind of you know,
the jury is out. If not, it feels entirely debunked.
This is a very specific instance where it's something that
we could absolutely classify as a chemical dispersement at high altitude.
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But what we think of as being chem trails as
like the kind of holy grail of conspiracy theory circles.
I think we're all still in agreement, is uh is
a bit spurious? Yes, right, So when when people say, uh,
chem trail, you know, like you said, no, they're thinking
big picture, often about what looks like a con trail. However,
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this this out, this high altitude disbursement did occur. We
know it occurred multiple times. We mentioned seven fifty times.
But the full extent of the test in these programs
exceeded went into the thousands, isn't that right, Matt? Well, yeah,
at least according to the latest um the latest numbers
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from professor Schmidt's research that we mentioned earlier. UM. The
investigation or his investigation as of I believe was that
when this was uh, yeah July, when this article in
the Independent was written, he is believing that up to
thirty thousand secret chemical warfare substance experiments were carried out,
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and most of that was occurring at the facility or
the area we're referring to called Porton Down where there
are British soldiers being experimented on specifically right, So that
seven hundred fifty number is the uh is the piece
of the pie that applies to the public so far
as we know. Yeah, and this this means that like
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so many of the modern conspiracy theories in in this
our new age of folklore, there is a grain of
truth here. There is there is a seed of fact
in this, or a spray of fact if we want
to be real jerks about our language. Uh. This is
only one example of government doing this. Of course, as
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we've mentioned, the United States has done multiple experiments like this.
We haven't dived into it yet, but we haven't dove
into it yet. But I would be incredibly surprised if
the u SSR or the FSRS is called now was
not doing the same thing at some point. At this
point here in members of the UK public, including retired
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members from military service, are still pushing for further investigation.
In a way, again, it's similar to you know, Agent
Orange allegations. But what what do you all think? I mean,
this has proven this actually happened. Is this the whole
dirty story now finally revealed? Or is there more to it?
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In other words, is this the tip of a biological
warfare Iceberg. It's a really tough thing too to wrap
your head around knowing that in a way, wherever you live,
your government may see to it that there are experiments
either on you or you know, your friends, your family,
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your neighbors, somewhere within you know, a short drive of
where you live, there could be experimentation occurring on the people, um,
the moms and dads and sons and daughters and all
of that. I it's a really tough thing to know that,
and it's what we're talking about today. It's cold war time.
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Most of this occurred, correct me if I'm wrong here, Ben,
But during cold war times where there are whether how
no matter how warm they are, there are threats. They're
outside threats, and these you know, governments are attempting to
stay abreast of situations, stay ahead of technologies, and germ
warfare is one of those things. And many times that
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is to make sure we know what's going to happen
if we When I say we, I mean if our
population gets hit by this type of germ warfare, what's
it gonna look like? How could we respond to it? Um?
And maybe that's giving a little more of a benefit
of the doubt to the situation. I don't know. The
one thing I would want to add here at the
end is to caution yourself when thinking about this kind
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of stuff and then perhaps applying it to our current
situation with UM, with the novel coronavirus, and and with
COVID nineteen. I can't sit here and tell you that
there isn't some other reason behind the release of this,
but also would say it's very unlikely that it's any
(36:05):
kind of attack, right, It really likely, But I think
viscerally we can understand the threat and the feeling associated
with like what it would be like to be a
victim of someone knowingly doing something like what we're experiencing
right now, right, I mean, I think like psychologically that
(36:26):
is something that is very unsettling thinking about, you know what,
what it would take for someone to have that little
disregard for human you know, life and human sanity to
do something like that, knowing how isolated and scared everyone
is right now with this current situation. I that's I think,
that's that's that's what that's where my mind goes. Not
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that our situation right now is in some way some
version of this, It's more just the psychological you know,
uh fallout of dealing with a situation like this. I
mean tip to agree. I think that's that's an important point.
But we would be remiss if we didn't, if we
didn't hit that point, and if we didn't also note, uh,
(37:09):
we're going to have some more updates on COVID nineteen coming.
A lot of people on Twitter and various platforms have
asked to hear a bug out bag specific episode. I
would recommend, um, we we're gonna do one specifically on
bug out bags and how to get out of areas
(37:30):
if you need to, and you don't need to yet.
As a matter of fact, please stay indoors, as they
say on Mitchell and web. But but we have to
point out we have to point out this the idea
that COVID nineteen could have been manufactured. It's been floated
by a bunch of different different um entities and institutions,
(37:53):
including members of the Chinese UH, the Chinese government, but
these still remain conspiracy theory. Ease. It's similar to the
idea that HIV was purposely created to, you know, uh,
to weed out some specific part of the global population.
These would be terrible weapons to choose for that. I
think we said this in our earlier COVID episode because
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although it spreads quickly, it wouldn't. It doesn't behave the
way that a bio weapon ideally would behave. And if
you wanted to make one, which we'll talk about at
length in another episode, if you wanted to make one, uh,
and you actually tried, you would do a much better
job than COVID nineteen. Uh. This is still dangerous, but
(38:37):
it being dangerous. I think the scariest part of it
is that it had a natural origin. It did not
take human intervention to make it as much of a
threat as it is today. And and to the point
about misinformation, please please please, when you're out there on
the internets, when your relatives are sending you post from
(38:59):
someone they heard from Facebook or something, please politely ask
for a source. Because misinformation and panic are as contagious
as a pandemic. They're a pandemic all their own. There's
nothing wrong with asking people for that kind of source
if they say something that you know feels weird because
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you know Matt Noll, You guys have noticed it seems
like everybody's got a cousin who somehow works at the
Pentagon nowadays, right sure feels that way. And you know,
I would say even when it comes to positive news,
you know, because nothing is worse than false hope. And
there might be some people that would disagree with me,
but it feels like the way the UH not to
get too political, but the way the administration is handing
(39:39):
with right now, it's a little off in that there
are some claims being thrown around that don't have sources
to back them up, or that have kind of anecdotal sources,
like in terms of like a miracle drug that will
like cure this thing. And I think a lot of
folks that get their news from certain locations and from
these press conferences UH will be largely disappointed and when
(40:03):
when they find out that this is not, in fact
what it was set out to be. And the the
idea of availability of masks and availability of relief and
ships that are coming to people's rescue in New York
and California, we've yet to see those things come to fruition.
And then there's a lot of overpromising and under delivering.
And I would caution people to you know, temper expectations
(40:23):
in that respect too. I mean, don't you know, I
feel hopeless. But let's just be realistic. I'm gonna make
a light comment here really quickly, and I promise everybody
we're gonna wrap up. Noel, as you were talking, I
don't know if you noticed, but which cat is that? Ben?
That is Dr Vankman. Dr Vankman in the background has
(40:46):
been quietly giving these cute little meaws, and Ben, wearing
his lucid Or mask, has been trying to get Dr
Vankman to to be quiet. And the image Ben is
one of the cutest, funniest, weirdest things that I've experienced
in a while. And I just want to thank you
for lightning my day light my day a little bit.
(41:09):
And while Noel was like, while Noel was talking about
all the crazy misinformation that we're kind of waiting through
at this point, yeah, I appreciate that. I guess I
won't put them in the cat goolog just yet. Uh,
but you know, it's always weird when you start working
with a new producer, right to to to that point though,
(41:31):
about the danger of this positive stuff, this false hope
it's true, you know, as there there have been US
government officials who have said, I believe it was US
government who have said kakamami things like just put air
from a blue dryer up your nose and you'll be fine.
And there are people selling, you know, flim flam and
(41:53):
woo woo kind of cures. If something sounds too good
to be true, you know fortunate. The fortunate fact of
the world in which we live is that it's because
it is untrue. So well said, UH. We also want
to know what you think, folks. Thank you so much
for tuning in. We hope you are happy. We hope
you're healthy, We hope you are safe. Just as importantly,
(42:16):
we hope that you are exercising critical thinking in these times.
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You can call us and leave a message, just like
this person did at one twenty two pm on the
day we recorded this U and here we go. Hey guys, UM,
(43:24):
I love the show. I want to say thank you.
I'm calling I just got done. But listening to the
here do we have enough for everyone podcast? UM? And
you know talking about the coronavirus and they just wanted
to have that. Uh. My significant other, she is a
(43:44):
registered nurse, UM who have outside of uh C Milwaukee.
That's about all in creation. I wanna you know what
you guys know. But anyway, she has been responsible for
taking care of one of the three patients that is
infected with the coronavirus. Some specifics about him. He's uh,
(44:06):
mid thirties, Uh not you know, compromised, very healthy, UM,
and he was infected and uh he is now in
critical conditions. UM. I just I just wanted to say that,
you know, all these pennials are not to worry about
the SPERRYO that they're invincible and stuff like that. Uh,
(44:28):
you know this this gentleman is you know, may or
may not lose his life. So maybe I'll help people
take it a little more seriously. Anyways, today thanks gaining
guys and the court here and that show. It's it's
unfortunately a common tale that's happening in the United States
more and more often in the past few weeks and days,
(44:51):
people who uh would seem to be otherwise healthy, would
seem even to be outside of the target demographic for
for COVID cases requiring hospitalization are falling one after another
into hospitals. Just a few days before we recorded this.
In fact, a twelve year old child here in uh
(45:15):
here in Atlanta, Georgia was hospitalized with what was originally
diagnosed as pneumonia and then later realized to be COVID nineteen.
So this is affecting everybody. To to your point, caller,
this is also affecting millennials as well. Just because you
are say twenty five years old or or under sixty
(45:37):
three or something, it does not make you immune and
it does not mean that you should be playing around.
Is that about the size of it. It's it's one
of these things too, where I mean, the story just
keeps evolving where you know, one man and it's like, oh,
don't take ibuprofen, and then it's like ibuprofen is fine,
and one minute it's like, you know, people with that
are symptom less are worst vectors. They are apparently carry
(46:00):
a higher viral load, is one thing that I saw reported.
So that's the reason it's so scary right now is
because people don't know who has it and who doesn't
have a gause. They're enough tests and potentially folks that
are asymptomatic are are like, you know, acting as super
spreaders because they think they're all hunky dory. So it's
just the kind of story that just keeps evolving and uh,
without becoming a paranoid you know, news freak. I think
(46:23):
it's important that we keep an eye on it and
just do our part and do not play around and
stay stay home. Agreed one million percent. Actually, if we're
gonna violate the rules of math there, we are also
just like you individuals, so you can you can find
us on the internet outside of our show. This is
(46:45):
one This is the first pandemic in our hyper connected age.
So we are like many people, using social media and
online tools to stay connected even when we can't physic
be together. So with that in mind, if you want
to find us as individuals, there are a couple of
(47:05):
ways to do so. You can check me out exclusively
on Instagram where I am at how now Noel Brown, Um,
I have a cat to a tale lists cat named Fernando,
who isn't quite as fluffy and cute as as Ben's cats,
but um really has his moments and you might see
him pop up on my all my stories from time
to time, and and maybe some of the weird ambient
(47:28):
music that I'm making to pass the time. A great
Fernando's great, a k A. Robert He's he's a cat
with moxy. That's right, That's right. Uh. And you can
hear the dogs barking in my neighbor's yard on my
storyless Instagram account. Matt Something Underscore, Frederick, I heart something.
(47:51):
I don't remember what it is. I love this part
of your character that just doesn't give a crap about
social media. It's really charming. I'm not joking. I I
way that that about you. Well, you just won't find
anything because I don't do anything but I'm there, so
you know, if if an emergency happens, and maybe I'll
publish something and you'll know about a social media emergency. Yeah, yeah,
(48:13):
we all waiting. Speaking of which, acronyms that begin with
ascent are three letters long. Can you believe that Saturday
Night Live is gone dark for like the first time
maybe ever? I can. Yeah, it's the right thing. It
is the right thing to do. But that was when
I was really like, Okay, this is real. All the
late shows, all the late shows as well. I believe
(48:35):
Stephen Colbert has recorded some monologues from his house. Ira
Glass is just like us. He's recording from his house.
We're we're aiming collectively to keep making these podcasts as
long as we can, and we hope that it uh.
We hope that it gives you, you know, some something
(48:55):
to connect with, something to hear uh, and we hope
that you communicate with us. We aim to keep going
until the proverbial or literal lights go out. If you
want to find me on the internet, you can uh
find me at Instagram at Ben Bolan. And a burse
to creativity is always say if you want to share
(49:15):
news or ask about the veracity of various things related
to the pandemic. You can always find me on Twitter
at Ben Bolan HSUF. You've been fielding a lot of
great questions there and some pretty off the wall ones.
But just to reiterate everything Matt and Will have said, Uh,
this is serious. We are here, uh, and we are
(49:39):
we are working ardently. You can't you know, you can't
hear Paul on this podcast, but he's tuned in as well,
So we're hoping to be here for you. And the
best place to find information is always at this point,
the CDC, the w h o UM and an organization
like that that's trying to keep tabs on as many
people as possible and really find a vaccine as quickly
(50:03):
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My name is Matt, my name is no They call
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Paul, Mission controlled decond. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. We wanted to start the show today.
You know, we always usually do a little bit of
(00:46):
a check in, but we wanted to start the show
today with a bit of a state of the union.
As you and millions of other people here this show today.
You odds are you are listening to it while you
are bunker it a weigh somewhere, possibly self isolating, and
we want you to know that the four of us Noel, Paul,
(01:06):
Matt and myself are doing the same. This is our
first episode that we're recording remotely. Yes it's true. Ben.
Are we allowed to spoil what's going on with you
right now? Or is this just for us? Please feel free,
feel free, well bad, but well you know not only
are we seeing each other for the first time. Well,
Paul's usually on the other side of some sort of screen,
(01:27):
a glass screen, but now it's a real virtual screen.
Ben is wearing uh something of a costume today, um,
and I'm quite enjoying it. Slash terrified by it. Well
it okay, I just want to describe ben situation a
little bit. Ben, stop me if it's too much. In
the shot of Ben, we've got a luchador mask that
(01:49):
is white and red primarily in color that Ben is wearing.
It looks epic. He's got his headphones on behind him,
there's a there's the cutest cat that you've ever seen,
and some candles in it just looks like an epic
uh time. I just want to be hanging out over there,
but I'm stuck here in my house. Um. Which, by
the way, you may hear a child running around every
(02:11):
once in a while, hopefully not, but you may end
up hearing that in these recordings. We'll do our best
to remove it. Matt. Did you leave out the Batha
met altar on purpose or were you just thinking we
would spare people in detail. That's just it's just the
way my office looks, Guys. I'm sorry, no I was
talking about Ben's Batha met altar. Oh, I want to
describe everybody's set up here. So Noel, since since you're
(02:34):
up right now, I want to say, Uh, Noel is
by a windows, got a lovely Uh you're you're a
bit of a connoisseur of art. So Noel's got some
awesome art hanging up there in the back and then
one by the window. And you've got you've got kind
of a glow from the window. Man, it looks really cool. Thanks. Man,
it's sort of a back lighting situation. I appreciate you
(02:56):
acknowledging my glow. And is that a stratocaster? What is
hanging out that? Is a jazz a master? Oh yeah,
I've been doing a little work on I got the
action just like I like it, and uh got a
bunch of cool effects pedals that I've been toying around
with keeping myself from losing my mind. And uh, let's
pass it to Let's pass it to perhaps the third
(03:16):
and most mysterious bunker. Uh not. You look like you
are in an episode of one of our favorite shows,
The X Files. You've got this amazingly this this like
dramatic lighting and just on what is your left side
is just a little bit of light. Yeah, I've got
a window open and I've turned off all electrical devices
(03:38):
I possibly can, because in testing my mic out here,
I noticed that there's electrical interference all over this room.
I don't know if it's a power line situation, if
it's just the electrical in my house. And I've never
really attempted to use one of these mics here before,
but it sounds awful. Oh wait a second, wait a second. Match,
So you're are you using one of those condenser mics
(04:00):
the U S B mix it is? It is a
USB mike, yes, but it looks like an SM just
you know, a standard handheld mike. But it is another
another part of this image of you is you've got
one of those pop filters. So when your face is
behind that, it's like there's this giant black screen completely
blotting out your face. It looks like a character from
(04:21):
Sin City or something. It's it's quite remarkable and an eerie. Yeah.
When one extra thing is I always turn my head
when I breathe because I'm a professional, you know, um
shout out to Tay. All right, let's uh, let's do
this you guys. Let's by the way, we we need
to just again, Ben you already kind of talk to
(04:42):
everybody already, but just to know that it is genuine
and coming from our hearts. We we really are thinking
about each and every one of you, specifically you listening
to this right now, and what you're going through, what
what you're having to do to stay safe and protect
everybody else. Sometimes right now feels uh scary. I would say,
there's there's a lot of anxiety that comes along with
(05:04):
our situation that we all find ourselves in. But um,
just know that by taking the precautions you're taking, you're
you're not only protecting yourself and the people you love,
but but everybody. So just keep going strong. Well said,
Well said. And we want to hear from you folks.
So we've given you a brief update on our our
(05:25):
bunker situations. So we'd love to hear updates from your
neck of the global woods. If you want to send
us a photo of your current battle station, if you
want to give us your observations, reach out, feel free
to We're on Twitter, We're on Facebook, or on Instagram,
all that jazz. As we've said, uh, we're we're all
(05:49):
in the midst of this, this pandemic occurring. Together. We
have more coming regarding the current crisis, the conspiracies and
the consequences involved. And today we thought, since so many
people are suffering from COVID nineteen news fatigue, that we
might collectively enjoy a dive into something largely unrelated. KIM trails.
(06:12):
Are they real? Oh buddy, here are the facts? Okay,
First off, we need to differentiade between some pretty often
conflated UH concepts phenomena. While KIM trails are pretty controversial
and often the subject of tons of conspiracy theories, contrails
(06:33):
are a distinct different and actual facts, proven things. So
what is a contrail? Um? It all comes down to jets.
Jet engines you out super super hot air and because
water vapor is also one of the byproducts of the exhaust,
the air is also incredibly humid. Where these jets fly,
(06:53):
the air is typically cold, often below negative forty degrees fahrenheit. Additionally, uh,
the atmosphere at that altitude has very low vapor pressure
UM or the force that's exerted by a gas on
its surrounding environment. Yeah, that's right. And when this jet
engine is emitting this hot, humid air into that atmosphere
(07:17):
you describe nold that's so cold and has low vapor pressure,
it results in condensation, and the water vapor coming out
of the engine very quickly condenses into water droplets, and
then it very quickly crystallizes into ice. Those are what
we see forming behind a jet engine. Those are the contrails,
(07:41):
and that stands for of course, it's it's short for
rather condensation trails. We have a we have a pretty
good example of like how how you can witness this
phenomenon for yourself. Yeah, it's pretty simple. If you've ever
been outside before when it's very cold, or maybe inside,
and you breathe out slowly, you know, more of a
(08:03):
than a pushing air quickly out of your mouth. Um,
that puff of air dissipates really quickly when it's dry,
even if it is very very cold. But um, you know,
if you do that on a day that's a little
more human, it might stick around quite a bit longer.
And it's the same with contrails. When the atmosphere is
more humid. The contrails, just like your breath, we're gonna
(08:25):
they're gonna linger out there in the atmosphere for a
longer time before they dissipate. But again, when you've got
a drier atmosphere, they are going to just kind of
um just go away a lot faster. And you've probably
witnessed this before. You've probably seen a couple of different
kinds of contrails or streaks across the sky that maybe
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you think is a contrail or a chem trail, but
you're not really sure. But you've probably witnessed them dissipate
extremely quickly behind a jet engine or you know, an
airplane and aircraft, and you've also probably seen them linger
for a long time. If it feels like ours, just
just remember that you have seen this before, right, you've
(09:08):
seen it before. But many of your friends may have
assured you already that you have sometimes seen contrails and
sometimes seen something else, something called a chem trail. According
to its proponents, a chem trail is something much more
insidious because while a contrail is understood to be more
(09:28):
or less benign, according to these theories, a chem trail
is purposely designed and dispersed to expose large swaths of
unknowing people to any variety of chemicals. So here's the idea, basically, UH,
these can theory these chemicals might be intended to create
(09:49):
some sort of widespread physical change to populations UM, animals,
the environment, or plants, or create some kind of wide
read psychological phenomenon changes in human beings for example. A
lot of conspiracy theorists um to to use the term
of abuse I guess here, often get hung up on
(10:12):
this notion based on super anecdote evidence that UH epidemics
of blue like symptoms, for example, can be connected to
instances of chem trails, or, in an incredibly extreme version,
the idea is that chem trails could be used as
a form of population control, um weaving out the sick
(10:35):
and elderly. So um, this is all some pretty extreme stuff.
Let's let's go into a quick history of this before
we get to been out of shape here, right. So,
if you were, let's say, in the nineteen seventies or
nineteen eighties, trying to learn about the idea of chem trails,
you wouldn't have found the term. It's fairly recent. These
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theories first came into the mainstream world in the nineteen
nineties under under Art Bell's work at Coast to Coast
AM and they blew up in the mainstream. First on
the fringe, but then in the mainstream. They're actually mentioned
in congress. US House Bill HR seven banned various types
(11:21):
of weapons in space, but it also originally started out
with a reference to Kim trails. Ultimately this reference was removed.
But you know, people who believe in Kim trails will
say this thing in congressional record is indicative of it
being a real problem that was on October two, two
(11:42):
thousand one. But the mention specifically alludes to it not existing, right. Uh,
the mention says, uh. The mention when it was introduced
by Dennis Kucinich, did seem to like, did imply that
there is potential for some kind of weapon that would
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be called a Kim trail. But they removed it because
there's no scientific proof about this, I see. I think
I'm confusing this with the group of Harvard engineers that
David Keith was leading, um who was the professor of
applied physics at Harvard's John A. Paulson's School of Engineering,
and there was a quote from him that that says this,
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we have not seen any credible evidence that Kim trails exist.
If we did, uh see any evidence that governments were
endangering their own citizens in that manner a llegend kim
truck conspiracies, we would be eager to expose and stop
such activities. Yeah, um, although we didn't do that when
we were using essentially kim trails as a weapon of
(12:44):
war during you know, the Vietnam War or in other
conflicts where we were actually sprying things in the air
to kill you know, both plants and to potentially harm
enemy combatants. So I mean not not not even to
mention things like weaponizing insects. And this is a crazy one,
but there was that whole experiment where the U. S.
(13:04):
Government dropped uh flea bombs on poor parts of I
believe it was Louisiana and Florida, ben isn't that right? Yeah,
that's correct. But but just specifically, I mean, I'm not
I'm not trying to discount or play that down. Well,
it's just specifically using aircraft to spray noxious chemicals over
a population or an area um as a weapon of war.
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And I only mentioned the fleet thing because it was
specifically to spread biological agents to like you know, diminish
people and give them like you know, malaria and stuff
or potentially, you know, use it as as as an
agent of war as well. Sure, And really what we're
setting up here is the difference between the the intense
theories that are out there, right, and then what established
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science says about camera trail specifically spraying at these higher altitudes,
right right. That's that's why, that's why David Keith's quote
is what am I go to answers when people ask
what the scoop is regarding the misinformation, the disinformation, the allegations,
and of course the facts, because that statement seems pretty conclusive,
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and Keith and his team of engineers are not some
kind of rogue renegades from the ivory towers of the Academy.
What they're stating is the status quo establishment conclusion. And
while this may seem comforting, the truth, it turns out,
isn't as cut and dried. Will tell you the truth
(14:36):
warts and all. After a word from our sponsor. Here's
where it gets crazy. This actually happened. Tim Trails actually happened,
and not just not just the dispersal that you had
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mentioned earlier, Matt in Times of War or famously over St. Louis.
Here in the US. We know for a fact that
the United Kingdom did conspire to secretly experiment on their population,
not just their service members, but on their civilian population
through the deployment of what could be reasonably described as
(15:16):
chem trails. Yes, so here's the basics. Starting in the
British government used the unsuspecting domestic public as actual facts
guinea pigs for biological and chemical warfare experiments. UH and
more than seven hundred and fifty secret ops, hundreds of
thousands of people were subjected to what they called mock
(15:39):
biological and chemical warfax fair attacks from aircraft, ships, and
road vehicles. And this went on until nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, yeah,
And don't be fooled by that idea of mock biological
and chemical warfare attacks. These weren't all dry runs, these
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weren't all war games. In fact, many of these tests
involved releasing potentially dangerous chemicals and micro organisms over huge
amounts of the population without the public ever being told.
And think about think about that span of time there,
that's almost forty years ninety to nineteen seventy nine. These
were designed by the Ministry of Defense to UH to
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assess what would happen to the UK if Russian forces
released you know, clouds of a biological or chemical weapon
across the country. But here's the deal. In most of
the cases throughout this long period of time, the trials
didn't use biological weapons, but some kind of alternative that
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the scientists thought would maybe mimic germ warfare in some way.
And the Ministry of Defense claimed, you know, these substances
that they were using were actually going to be harmless. However,
and it's a big however here there are certain areas
around the uk UH where the families there would have children,
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and these children would have birth defects, and those families
in particular are demanding a very specific and public inquiry
into the substances that were used during these tests and
really just to get as much public information as possible
about them. Yeah, and they met with no shortage of
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red tape, something that you could arguably describe as stonewalling.
So the the outcry that hit in would say two
thousand to two thousand four came about partially because of
something called Operation Antler. Operation Antler was the official investigation
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into the activities that we're sighting. From forty to seventy nine,
they were headquartered or masterminded maybe is a better word.
From a place a lot of people in the U
S probably have never heard of. It's called Porton Down.
Porton Down is a science compound in Wiltshire, England. It's
called Porton Down because it's just northeast of Porton which
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is a village near Salisbury. It's home to two British facilities,
the Ministry of Defenses Defense Science and Technology Laboratory and
a site of Public Health England. The d s t
L Defense Science and Technology Laboratory has been known as
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one of the most secretive and controversial research facilities in
the British military for over a hundred years. So think of, um,
what's the place in Australia Pine flats? Pine gag? That's
it's like Pine Gap yep. And the inquiries that the
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public and former service members have been raising established that
a number of the people participate aiding in the Service
Volunteer Program a KA where the soldiers can sign up
to be exposed. Uh. They claim that they were tricked
into taking part in these experiments. They had consent but
not informed consent, and then some of these retired service
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members also claimed to have suffered long term illness or
injury in some cases, you know, similar to the well
in some ways similar to Vietnam veterans reporting of exposure
to agent orange. And then again, as you said, Matt,
long tail intergenerational effects like birth defects, and it doesn't
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stop there. Yes, it's true. Researched by a gentleman named
Olf Schmidt, who's the professor of modern history at the
University of Kent, revealed that British military aircraft dropped thousands
of kilos of chemicals that possessed quote largely unknown toxic
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potential on British civilian populations. Um in the Salisbury area
in Wiltshire, um Cartington in Bedfordshire and Norwich in Norfolk.
Around forty kilos of the chemical zinc cadmium sulfide, which
is now known to be or at least thought to
be pretty carson and genic potentially on account of its
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containing cadmium um. And this was allegedly dispersed from ships,
aircraft and moving trucks or as they call them in
the UK loris between nineteen fifty three and nineteen sixty four.
And again we're looking to Old Schmidt here, who who
wrote a book called Secret Science and within this book
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he also shows that commuters in the London underground were
subjected to very similar illegal experiments. And you know, just
before we continue on here, do you do you guys
remember or are you listening? Do you remember warnings about
tests within New York subway system where they were going
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to do some testing with dispersed itse of some sort
um to see how chemicals or agents would move throughout
the transit system underground in New York. Do you guys
remember that? Oh? Yeah, I love that reasoning too. Let's
just see what happens. Well, yeah, well, the there's this
concept of attempting to experiment with in this case, just
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the thing I'm talking about here, to see where a
contagion would travel if it got released in a specific
station underneath in terms of the air patterns, or where
it would be carried like through which tunnels and that
we where would go? Or well yeah, and and as
computers you know, are are subjected to it get onto
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a train that get off somewhere, how quickly does it
spurs throughout the Manhattan Island or you know, how far
does it go? But this is the same kind of
thing here a little bit. But it's it's closer closer
to human experimentation in my in my opinion at least,
right right, right, So this is very important I want
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to interject here. It is still human experimentation. The stuff
in New York, from what I can recall, was just
exactly what you said. It was a modeling exercise to
take an inner substance or material that would still behave
the same way as a weaponized aerosol and be trackable
so we could monitor the spread, which is actually a
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pretty smart thing to do. But the ethical quandary there
is if you tell people you're doing that, no matter
how how transparent you are about how harmless it is,
people aren't going to ride public transit if they can
help it. Why would you expose yourself? And you know,
this is an understandable fear because, like like we referenced
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with Professor Schmidt in his book Secret Science, the operations
on the London Underground involved the release of large quantity
is of a bacteria called Bacillus globeg or globe big
in The scientists wanted to say they wanted to determine
whether quote, long distance travel of aerosols in the tube
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was due to transportation within the trains themselves, or whether
the big weak point was the air ventilations in the tube.
From what I recall, both were pretty bad. But this
isn't all that the UK did. We're gonna pause for
one more sponsor break and we'll be back to tell
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you about how these experiments went global while they were
still classified and top secret. So we have returned. It's true,
conspiracy realists, these experiments did go global. The research also
reveals that these experiments occurred in another part of the world.
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It was a British imperial possession at the time. This
was Nigeria. Chemical warfare trials were held there as well,
and we even found the specific area of Nigeria in
which they were held. A place called Abanna Goro in
southern Nigeria specifically was the site of four British Cold
War scientific missions that's spent a total around fifteen months
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dispersing and assessing the effects of large quantities of experimental
nerve gas weapons. Um So this this location was important
because it permitted field trials to be carried out in
a tropical environment and of course that was not uh
in Britain or Australia. Right Importantly, and that means that
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there was much less oversight and people were also much
less likely to be able to successfully inquire with the
government about the possible detrimental effects. And before we you know,
we kind of conclude here, there's there's another experimentation that
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that calls back to just this concept of putting out
weird agents or clouds of terrifying things to test both
how the air is going to disperse them, um, you know,
in whatever else whatever other parameters are being tested. There.
There's an instance from nineteen fifty two where on the
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on the west coast of Scotland there was a cloud
of bacteria, not just any bacteria, not like the ones
that were released into the London underground, literally plague bacteria,
cloud of it that was released to see essentially to
test again, like in all these instances, what happens to
this stuff when it just goes into the air, Where
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does it go? What happens to it? Well, there was
a fishing fishing boat that happened to travel through this
cloud of freaking plague bacteria as a vessel full of fishermen.
They just went right through it and there was this horrible,
you know, feeling in the pits of the stomachs of
the people experimenting that. Oh wow, um, let's see, I
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wonder if any of those guys are actually going to
get plague. Ben, I don't know if you read about
this one, but if it's just really really creepy to
think that, unknowingly you could drive your your boat, your
ship that has a bunch of just working class people
through a cloud that ends up being plague. Yeah. The
same reports confirmed that the government was dispersing anthrax like
(26:39):
not not an inert chemical, actual anthrax. Uh. And they
were doing this not just off the Scottish coast but
also all around the Caribbean. Uh. And that the that
that even in the highest halls of UK government there
was tacit approval. So people may have had plausible deniability,
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but they knew what was going on and they let
it happen again for decades and decades and decades. And
just the one other quick thing here, it's noted in
both the Independent and I believe in the Guardian newspaper
that the Bahamas, this this the territory of the Bahamas,
was seen by a lot of the scientists performing these
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kinds of tests as the absolute best place to carry
out these kinds of surface tests without any kind of restriction.
Just be aware of that. And it was there something
that was particularly appealing about these tropical climates. Yeah, a
couple of things. First, just the environment given given that
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it had enough similarities geographically, if not climate wise, it
just had enough geographic similarities to the United Kingdom, which
again is you know, a collection of archipelagos. So this
is a good way to see how something, how land
mass with a with a huge coastline, could be affected
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by maritime dispersal. That's why it's off the coast instead
of you know, on the on the land in those experiments,
And just to give a little bit of clarity there
about the Bahamas, it was this is a quote from
the Independent, It was an uninhabited island in the Bahamas.
In the sea near that uninhabited island, So it wasn't
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you know, necessarily directly on up the population of the
Bahamas where people are living. But it's still very close
and with all of the winds that that are happening
out there, you know, you can pretty much predict the weather.
Ben But how about it, what's the quote we always
like to use about the weather. The meteorologists are alchemists. No, well,
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it's yeah, you're right though, especially in that case, they
were not working super hard to do their due diligence
about whether people would be endangered. Uh. The specific stuff
they deployed was venezuelan equine and cephalitis in that uninhabited
island in the Bahamas. This kills donkeys and horses, but
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it can also kill human beings and it can be
spread by mosquitoes when they bite the horses or the donkeys.
This is an addition to by the way G series
nerve agents that was deployed in Nigeria that that can
do things like um cause loss of certain bodily functions. Uh.
(29:43):
If you survive, you'll have long term neurological damage, psychiatric disorders.
And then of course we've mentioned the Bacterium basilis globe
bidgy globe by G. I'm not entirely certain on that. Uh,
that can also cause fevers occasionally fatal. This is heavy
duty stuff. This was not you know, we can't emphasize
(30:04):
this enough. This This was not just like silly string
they were spraying around or fabreeze or something. Uh, neither
of which are sponsoring the show. This was these were
weapons of murder potentially, And you can say that this
was a scenario to figure out how how it would
(30:26):
spread during an attack from an antagonistic force, But the
reality of the matter is it was not a dry run.
The idea that we're doing this for quote unquote defense
falls far short of justifying what actually happened. So this
all means that, yeah, in a way, kim trails were
very very real. At least if I kim trails, we
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mean the concept of illegal and dangerous aerossol dispersals. Well,
you certainly don't need a weather man to know which
way the Eastern Equine and cephalitis blows. It's well, that's
that's whichever way the wind wind blows. I guess, um
that's that's upsetting though, Um, but yeah, I guess I
guess we can put that one to bed. I mean,
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I don't know, like when when we talk about chem trails, though,
I think the the the big picture thinking behind them
as a conspiracy is largely still kind of you know,
the jury is out. If not, it feels entirely debunked.
This is a very specific instance where it's something that
we could absolutely classify as a chemical dispersement at high altitude.
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But what we think of as being chem trails as
like the kind of holy grail of conspiracy theory circles.
I think we're all still in agreement, is uh is
a bit spurious? Yes, right, So when when people say, uh,
chem trail, you know, like you said, no, they're thinking
big picture, often about what looks like a con trail. However,
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this this out, this high altitude disbursement did occur. We
know it occurred multiple times. We mentioned seven fifty times.
But the full extent of the test in these programs
exceeded went into the thousands, isn't that right, Matt? Well, yeah,
at least according to the latest um the latest numbers
(32:20):
from professor Schmidt's research that we mentioned earlier. UM. The
investigation or his investigation as of I believe was that
when this was uh, yeah July, when this article in
the Independent was written, he is believing that up to
thirty thousand secret chemical warfare substance experiments were carried out,
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and most of that was occurring at the facility or
the area we're referring to called Porton Down where there
are British soldiers being experimented on specifically right, So that
seven hundred fifty number is the uh is the piece
of the pie that applies to the public so far
as we know. Yeah, and this this means that like
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so many of the modern conspiracy theories in in this
our new age of folklore, there is a grain of
truth here. There is there is a seed of fact
in this, or a spray of fact if we want
to be real jerks about our language. Uh. This is
only one example of government doing this. Of course, as
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we've mentioned, the United States has done multiple experiments like this.
We haven't dived into it yet, but we haven't dove
into it yet. But I would be incredibly surprised if
the u SSR or the FSRS is called now was
not doing the same thing at some point. At this
point here in members of the UK public, including retired
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members from military service, are still pushing for further investigation.
In a way, again, it's similar to you know, Agent
Orange allegations. But what what do you all think? I mean,
this has proven this actually happened. Is this the whole
dirty story now finally revealed? Or is there more to it?
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In other words, is this the tip of a biological
warfare Iceberg. It's a really tough thing too to wrap
your head around knowing that in a way, wherever you live,
your government may see to it that there are experiments
either on you or you know, your friends, your family,
(34:35):
your neighbors, somewhere within you know, a short drive of
where you live, there could be experimentation occurring on the people, um,
the moms and dads and sons and daughters and all
of that. I it's a really tough thing to know that,
and it's what we're talking about today. It's cold war time.
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Most of this occurred, correct me if I'm wrong here, Ben,
But during cold war times where there are whether how
no matter how warm they are, there are threats. They're
outside threats, and these you know, governments are attempting to
stay abreast of situations, stay ahead of technologies, and germ
warfare is one of those things. And many times that
(35:20):
is to make sure we know what's going to happen
if we When I say we, I mean if our
population gets hit by this type of germ warfare, what's
it gonna look like? How could we respond to it? Um?
And maybe that's giving a little more of a benefit
of the doubt to the situation. I don't know. The
one thing I would want to add here at the
end is to caution yourself when thinking about this kind
(35:45):
of stuff and then perhaps applying it to our current
situation with UM, with the novel coronavirus, and and with
COVID nineteen. I can't sit here and tell you that
there isn't some other reason behind the release of this,
but also would say it's very unlikely that it's any
(36:05):
kind of attack, right, It really likely, But I think
viscerally we can understand the threat and the feeling associated
with like what it would be like to be a
victim of someone knowingly doing something like what we're experiencing
right now, right, I mean, I think like psychologically that
(36:26):
is something that is very unsettling thinking about, you know what,
what it would take for someone to have that little
disregard for human you know, life and human sanity to
do something like that, knowing how isolated and scared everyone
is right now with this current situation. I that's I think,
that's that's that's what that's where my mind goes. Not
(36:47):
that our situation right now is in some way some
version of this, It's more just the psychological you know,
uh fallout of dealing with a situation like this. I
mean tip to agree. I think that's that's an important point.
But we would be remiss if we didn't, if we
didn't hit that point, and if we didn't also note, uh,
(37:09):
we're going to have some more updates on COVID nineteen coming.
A lot of people on Twitter and various platforms have
asked to hear a bug out bag specific episode. I
would recommend, um, we we're gonna do one specifically on
bug out bags and how to get out of areas
(37:30):
if you need to, and you don't need to yet.
As a matter of fact, please stay indoors, as they
say on Mitchell and web. But but we have to
point out we have to point out this the idea
that COVID nineteen could have been manufactured. It's been floated
by a bunch of different different um entities and institutions,
(37:53):
including members of the Chinese UH, the Chinese government, but
these still remain conspiracy theory. Ease. It's similar to the
idea that HIV was purposely created to, you know, uh,
to weed out some specific part of the global population.
These would be terrible weapons to choose for that. I
think we said this in our earlier COVID episode because
(38:16):
although it spreads quickly, it wouldn't. It doesn't behave the
way that a bio weapon ideally would behave. And if
you wanted to make one, which we'll talk about at
length in another episode, if you wanted to make one, uh,
and you actually tried, you would do a much better
job than COVID nineteen. Uh. This is still dangerous, but
(38:37):
it being dangerous. I think the scariest part of it
is that it had a natural origin. It did not
take human intervention to make it as much of a
threat as it is today. And and to the point
about misinformation, please please please, when you're out there on
the internets, when your relatives are sending you post from
(38:59):
someone they heard from Facebook or something, please politely ask
for a source. Because misinformation and panic are as contagious
as a pandemic. They're a pandemic all their own. There's
nothing wrong with asking people for that kind of source
if they say something that you know feels weird because
(39:19):
you know Matt Noll, You guys have noticed it seems
like everybody's got a cousin who somehow works at the
Pentagon nowadays, right sure feels that way. And you know,
I would say even when it comes to positive news,
you know, because nothing is worse than false hope. And
there might be some people that would disagree with me,
but it feels like the way the UH not to
get too political, but the way the administration is handing
(39:39):
with right now, it's a little off in that there
are some claims being thrown around that don't have sources
to back them up, or that have kind of anecdotal sources,
like in terms of like a miracle drug that will
like cure this thing. And I think a lot of
folks that get their news from certain locations and from
these press conferences UH will be largely disappointed and when
(40:03):
when they find out that this is not, in fact
what it was set out to be. And the the
idea of availability of masks and availability of relief and
ships that are coming to people's rescue in New York
and California, we've yet to see those things come to fruition.
And then there's a lot of overpromising and under delivering.
And I would caution people to you know, temper expectations
(40:23):
in that respect too. I mean, don't you know, I
feel hopeless. But let's just be realistic. I'm gonna make
a light comment here really quickly, and I promise everybody
we're gonna wrap up. Noel, as you were talking, I
don't know if you noticed, but which cat is that? Ben?
That is Dr Vankman. Dr Vankman in the background has
(40:46):
been quietly giving these cute little meaws, and Ben, wearing
his lucid Or mask, has been trying to get Dr
Vankman to to be quiet. And the image Ben is
one of the cutest, funniest, weirdest things that I've experienced
in a while. And I just want to thank you
for lightning my day light my day a little bit.
(41:09):
And while Noel was like, while Noel was talking about
all the crazy misinformation that we're kind of waiting through
at this point, yeah, I appreciate that. I guess I
won't put them in the cat goolog just yet. Uh,
but you know, it's always weird when you start working
with a new producer, right to to to that point though,
(41:31):
about the danger of this positive stuff, this false hope
it's true, you know, as there there have been US
government officials who have said, I believe it was US
government who have said kakamami things like just put air
from a blue dryer up your nose and you'll be fine.
And there are people selling, you know, flim flam and
(41:53):
woo woo kind of cures. If something sounds too good
to be true, you know fortunate. The fortunate fact of
the world in which we live is that it's because
it is untrue. So well said, UH. We also want
to know what you think, folks. Thank you so much
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(42:16):
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(43:24):
I love the show. I want to say thank you.
I'm calling I just got done. But listening to the
here do we have enough for everyone podcast? UM? And
you know talking about the coronavirus and they just wanted
to have that. Uh. My significant other, she is a
(43:44):
registered nurse, UM who have outside of uh C Milwaukee.
That's about all in creation. I wanna you know what
you guys know. But anyway, she has been responsible for
taking care of one of the three patients that is
infected with the coronavirus. Some specifics about him. He's uh,
(44:06):
mid thirties, Uh not you know, compromised, very healthy, UM,
and he was infected and uh he is now in
critical conditions. UM. I just I just wanted to say that,
you know, all these pennials are not to worry about
the SPERRYO that they're invincible and stuff like that. Uh,
(44:28):
you know this this gentleman is you know, may or
may not lose his life. So maybe I'll help people
take it a little more seriously. Anyways, today thanks gaining
guys and the court here and that show. It's it's
unfortunately a common tale that's happening in the United States
more and more often in the past few weeks and days,
(44:51):
people who uh would seem to be otherwise healthy, would
seem even to be outside of the target demographic for
for COVID cases requiring hospitalization are falling one after another
into hospitals. Just a few days before we recorded this.
In fact, a twelve year old child here in uh
(45:15):
here in Atlanta, Georgia was hospitalized with what was originally
diagnosed as pneumonia and then later realized to be COVID nineteen.
So this is affecting everybody. To to your point, caller,
this is also affecting millennials as well. Just because you
are say twenty five years old or or under sixty
(45:37):
three or something, it does not make you immune and
it does not mean that you should be playing around.
Is that about the size of it. It's it's one
of these things too, where I mean, the story just
keeps evolving where you know, one man and it's like, oh,
don't take ibuprofen, and then it's like ibuprofen is fine,
and one minute it's like, you know, people with that
are symptom less are worst vectors. They are apparently carry
(46:00):
a higher viral load, is one thing that I saw reported.
So that's the reason it's so scary right now is
because people don't know who has it and who doesn't
have a gause. They're enough tests and potentially folks that
are asymptomatic are are like, you know, acting as super
spreaders because they think they're all hunky dory. So it's
just the kind of story that just keeps evolving and uh,
without becoming a paranoid you know, news freak. I think
(46:23):
it's important that we keep an eye on it and
just do our part and do not play around and
stay stay home. Agreed one million percent. Actually, if we're
gonna violate the rules of math there, we are also
just like you individuals, so you can you can find
us on the internet outside of our show. This is
(46:45):
one This is the first pandemic in our hyper connected age.
So we are like many people, using social media and
online tools to stay connected even when we can't physic
be together. So with that in mind, if you want
to find us as individuals, there are a couple of
(47:05):
ways to do so. You can check me out exclusively
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I have a cat to a tale lists cat named Fernando,
who isn't quite as fluffy and cute as as Ben's cats,
but um really has his moments and you might see
him pop up on my all my stories from time
to time, and and maybe some of the weird ambient
(47:28):
music that I'm making to pass the time. A great
Fernando's great, a k A. Robert He's he's a cat
with moxy. That's right, That's right. Uh. And you can
hear the dogs barking in my neighbor's yard on my
storyless Instagram account. Matt Something Underscore, Frederick, I heart something.
(47:51):
I don't remember what it is. I love this part
of your character that just doesn't give a crap about
social media. It's really charming. I'm not joking. I I
way that that about you. Well, you just won't find
anything because I don't do anything but I'm there, so
you know, if if an emergency happens, and maybe I'll
publish something and you'll know about a social media emergency. Yeah, yeah,
(48:13):
we all waiting. Speaking of which, acronyms that begin with
ascent are three letters long. Can you believe that Saturday
Night Live is gone dark for like the first time
maybe ever? I can. Yeah, it's the right thing. It
is the right thing to do. But that was when
I was really like, Okay, this is real. All the
late shows, all the late shows as well. I believe
(48:35):
Stephen Colbert has recorded some monologues from his house. Ira
Glass is just like us. He's recording from his house.
We're we're aiming collectively to keep making these podcasts as
long as we can, and we hope that it uh.
We hope that it gives you, you know, some something
(48:55):
to connect with, something to hear uh, and we hope
that you communicate with us. We aim to keep going
until the proverbial or literal lights go out. If you
want to find me on the internet, you can uh
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(49:15):
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at Ben Bolan HSUF. You've been fielding a lot of
great questions there and some pretty off the wall ones.
But just to reiterate everything Matt and Will have said, Uh,
this is serious. We are here, uh, and we are
(49:39):
we are working ardently. You can't you know, you can't
hear Paul on this podcast, but he's tuned in as well,
So we're hoping to be here for you. And the
best place to find information is always at this point,
the CDC, the w h o UM and an organization
like that that's trying to keep tabs on as many
people as possible and really find a vaccine as quickly
(50:03):
as possible. So just keep your eyes open and your
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