June 1, 2021 • 50 mins
Could there really be groups of people conducting Satanic rites -- not philosophical stances, but actual devil worship via ritual or even sacrifice? Where are these groups, if they exist? Find out in this classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Man, this is a fun one. This uh, this one
got us in some hot water on YouTube. Do you
remember two with the real devil worshippers. It's interesting and
that's kind of a primary reason for making this video
talking about Luciferianism versus what someone would consider a devil worshiper,
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someone who does rights and rituals based on some Satanic ideology.
Sure like, it's like Marilyn Manson Satanism versus Alistair Crowleys. Yeah.
We in this classic episode, we dive into the question
of whether or not there are real The correct phrase
would be theistic Satanist people who believe in a God
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and the devil and have chosen to propitiate and worship
the devil for some reason or another. And this is
very different. We go through a lot of stereotypes. This
is different from you know, the lavay kind of Church
of Satan stuff that you may have heard about. We're
looking for the real deal rituals, sacrifices. You know, all
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those rumors about the people who liked metallica and dungeons
and dragons during the Satanic Panic or magic the Gathering
or Alice Cooper. Yeah, and you know, maybe you've watched
Sons of Sam recently on Netflix where they talk about
the Satanic panic and potential you know, devil worship that
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may or may not have been involved with the Son
of Sam killings. Well, hey, this is the episode for you.
Check it out from UFOs two Ghosts and government cover ups,
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or learn the stuff they don't want you to now below. Everyone,
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welcome back to the show. Today, Ben, we are talking
about somebody. Oh I don't know them. We could it be? Uh,
tell you what? It's someone who never gets mentioned in
awards speeches. Satan. That's right, Matt, that's right. Today we
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are following up on our video podcast that came out
earlier with an audio podcast on Satan. The question of
the day, which we addressed in our video podcast was
are there real Satan worshippers? Yes? And we found that
in fact, yes there are. And basically the answer we
got in the YouTube comments was, of course, I guess
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people know a lot more about Satan worship than we do.
It's cool, we get it. Uh. We've been doing some
research all week and finding all kinds of fun things.
So we're gonna give you kind of a background on
all of this stuff. We're gonna give you some of
the allegations against worshippers of Satan, and we're gonna look
at the reality of Luciferianism, which is a slightly different thing. Um.
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And yeah, we're come along with for the ride. Yeah,
hop on make a faucti embargain with us for the
rest of this podcast. I don't know what that means.
I promise this podcast is not like seven years long.
If a soul exists, you will keep yours at the end. Uh. First,
a little bit of a disclaimer, Matt, You and I
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know that it is incredibly difficult to talk about these
sorts of subjects, right, absolutely, and we want to make
sure that we're separating the facts from our opinions, and
we will be extremely careful to let you know what
is our opinion, um, and what are the facts? So yeah, Satan, right, yes, Satan.
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And when we hope you enjoyed this episode, and if
you do love it, please let us know if you
do have a problem, there's something you think we got
completely wrong. Uh, please remember that because these things are
so subjective, Uh, it's very easy for anyone, including Matt,
myself and possibly you a listener to mistake an opinion
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for a fact, even Noel, even super producer Noel, who
needs a shout out here, Noel, we had some people
right in by the way about the Halloween special. You
kinda did a great job. Yeah, I've got some tweets
asking where the music is. We've got some great emails
about it. Anyhow, Satan, Noel, I think did it on
his own, with his own blood, sweat and tears, and
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no dark deals with Mephistopheles. Uh. In the conventional Christian sense, right,
Satan is who Matt. He is a rebellious angel. Uh.
Some say he was the most loved by God, but
he did God wrong, and uh he had to go
to a place down below. Right. In some of the
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Aramaic religions or in stories right ancient stories about Lucifer,
or the Devil as the entity is known today, the
devil really loses huge points with God when God creates humans,
who are God's new favorite thing ever, and he tells
all the angels. God tells all the angels to bow
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down before humans, and Lucifer is no man, I was
here first. I'm gonna come on you can't do that
to me. Yeah, you know, it's like this is bunk
and this is dumb. Well, yeah, it's an it's an
interesting idea goes back to when you look at children
and families where there are multiple children and the psychology
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behind being the firstborn, second born, like a middle child
or a third child. And um, the Bible got a
lot of the stuff kind of right about the internal
Uh let's say demons that you have to fight. Huh.
Interesting comparison. I haven't. I have not thought about it
that way. But we do know that, Uh, we do
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know that some of these stories are repeated throughout the
three Abramaic religions, right um. And we know that the
cause of this rebellion, right Uh, however it happens, of course,
the details differ, right Uh as far as the timeline
when Satan falls, but we know that because of this rebellion,
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he becomes the antagonist of this universe, of this belief system. Uh.
And this interpretation of Satan has changed over time. So
modern Christianity today associates Satan with the serpent and Adam
and Eve, who's going, hey, come on, man, just eat
the fruit. Why why are you being You're being so
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weird Eve, but Satan himself, as as we mentioned the video,
the actual individual is more of a New Testament thing. Yeah.
Then in the New Testament you see Satan come along
when he's tempting Jesus, uh, when he's out on when
Jesus is out on his wilderness journey. Um, and he's
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kind of seen as a tempter there where he's trying
to get Jesus to move away from his faith by
offering things. Sure. Yeah, they have that lion king moment
where they stand in the cliff and he says, all
of this can be yours if you just do what
I say, essentially, if you just choose me over God.
So this concept of an adversarial spirit is far from unique.
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Many religions have adversarial entities, right, And it's possible that
the modern understanding of Satan in the Christian and perhaps
the Islamic religion as well, derive apart from religious syncretism,
the melding of different religions when they meet. So we've
got the abramatic concepts dating back to Ha Satan, the
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just obstructor the challenger uh two, and pre existing religions,
particularly Babylonian, which was fascinating to me, Matt. Yeah, we
took a look at the zoroas Zoroastrianism, which is cool.
Did some just some wikipedian even, just to make sure
I match up all the imagery and everything. That's fascinating.
One interesting thing that we found in research is that
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one group's god uh can be another group Satan and
vice versa. And we found this in a couple of
different places. What's the name of that group, Gnosticism, gnostics, monastics.
This is a name for a group of beliefs. The
practitioners believe that the material world, this the one that
we are existing on that you're listening to this podcast
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in was created and is ruled by a demi urge
or creator, who is not God, the ruler of the
spirit world. So God, the actual God, rules the spirit world,
and this demi urge rules the material plane. That's correct,
all right, And we know that this demi urge is
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not the best entity, not the best thing. In fact,
it's often an antagonist attempting to impede the human soul
or spirit from reaching the higher plane. Uh. You'll hear
it called names like jaldabof Um. There there's some great moment,
a gnostic literature about this Yaldebat, this chief ar con Um.
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In this system, what we think of as the main
God is instead the stemy urge. And uh, there's a
higher plane with a benevolent creator that exists in the
spiritual world. So if you can cast your memory back
their Lord to uh borrow from a Van Morrison song. Uh,
two centuries and centuries ago when people would say this
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is the God that we worship, and then these gnostic
folks would say, your god is the bad guy though
we're we're doing something else. So you guys are sword
of Devil worshipers. But of course it wasn't phrased in
that way. And uh, these beliefs, Gnostic beliefs were considered
heretical and very close to uh Satanism, but it's it's
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a different interpretation, you know what I mean. We do
know that there are different types of straight up Satanism, though,
so the one that you probably know about the most
was started by this guy named Anton LaVey. It's called
the system is also called atheistic Satanism. It's a religious
philosophy that bases a lot of its system of belief
on egoism. Individualism and self identification. So you you are
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the most important thing as the practitioner inside this belief system. Okay,
but it's still it's still I think counts in a
religious way because they practice magic, right, Oh yeah, they
practice magic um, but they do not worship Satan or
the devil. Okay, So they worship the symbol that's exactly
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this Luciferian uh almost Promethean lightbringer. That's what they're worshiping.
And we found that that's pretty common, at least from
when I was searching around. That's a fairly common thing.
And people who say they worship Satan or the devil,
they use a system of belief, not necessarily actually worshiping
a deity or antideity. So then in this case we
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know that this would not this would not be the
real Satan worshippers that we're talking about in our videos
or in the title question of this podcast. Not necessarily
they fit in because of you know, they call themselves.
Yeah but yeah, okay, well, we we know that you
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can read more about this type of Satanism in Anton
LaVey's book The Satanic Bible, and we have a list
of some of their rules. Again, these were made by
Anton LaVey. These did not come down from some sort
of golden tablet equivalent or whatever. It's pretty transparent about that. Yeah,
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and you know it's what So this is the opinion time.
But I feel like it should definitely be called Livyism
rather than Satanism, just because it was kind of written
by one guy. I see what you're saying, and I
wonder if you know, I wonder what the choice was
to say that. I guess it's because the symbol in
forms so much of the belief system. But you know,
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that's the thing. If you make something up, you get
to name it. It's true and no offense of the guy.
But saying something is Satanism, I'm sure didn't hurt in
getting some press from what I understand, And you know,
not to make this an ant On leave a podcast
that uh he had been practicing things like this for
some time before he gathered this material and made a religion.
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And although there have been some schisms in the Church
of Satan between the church's runners right and uh LaVey's daughter,
the organization itself continues today. Um so I'm not doing it, yeah,
certainly not dogging it. I'm just I don't know, maybe
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stating an obvious thing. Yeah, livaism, but maybe I don't know.
People's question would be who is Anton LaVey? And sure, right,
well here's the thing. Despite the name, they advocates and
things that are actually not that bad philosophically. I don't
completely agree with everything, but that's my opinion. Uh. Here
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here's some of the factual things. Matt. Maybe you and
I can alternate on this. So he has a thing
called the nine Satanic statements, and they are Satan represents
indulgence instead of abstinence. Uh. Satan represents vital existence instead
of spiritual pipe dreams. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of
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hypocritical self deceit. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve
it instead of love wasted on ingrades sick burn. Satan
represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek, and represents
responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires,
which we also have a video series on check it out.
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Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more
often worse than those that walk on all fours, who
because of his divine, spiritual, and intellectual development has become
the most vicious animal of all. Now here's one of
the really controversial ones. Met Uh. Satan represents all of
the so called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental,
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or emotional gratification, murder, murder. I guess I'm not sure.
It's kind of a blanket statement. But there's one more.
Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had,
as he has kept it in business all these years.
So we see here there's a blunt candor to these statements. Now,
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these are not necessarily the commandments. These are sort of
mission statements of what this sort of Satanism is. However,
we do have what Levey calls the Satanic rules of
the earth. And not to be outdone, he made eleven
instead of ten. That's right, and here they are. One.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you're asked to.
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Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are
sure they want to hear them. That's good advice, actually
good when in another's layer, show them respect, or else
do not go there, agreed, For if a guest in
your layer of noise, you treat them cruelly and without mercy,
it's your house, I guess, do not make sexual advances
unless you're given the mating signal, which is yeah, they
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now without I was gonna say, without knowing what the
mating signal is. I respect the idea, but I would
definitely want to know what it is, because I don't
want to accidentally be in that kind of environment and
make a mating signal. You know, we need to come
up with a universal human mating signal. Yeah, there's some
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like body language things, but I don't know if there's
a one size fits all answered anyhow. That's something the
other day. Okay, I'm glad that you thought that was
a strange one to uh six, this is pretty good.
Uh do not take that which does not belong to you.
Pretty good so far. But wait, there's a comma. Unless
it's a burden to the other person and they cry
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out to be relieved, that could be Take this for
Harry from from me. Please. You know I'm taking it
for you from you. I really appreciate it. I'll see
you tomorrow. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have
employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny
the power of magic after having called upon it with success,
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you will lose all you have obtained. Eight, do not
complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. Well,
I just want to go back to the previous one
really fast bend because um, they totally said magic. Yeah,
like magic, magic is real and believe it. If you don't,
you're gonna lose all the things you conjured. You know.
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One thing that's interesting about this is uh a friend
of mine who is a professor. He studied ease esoteric
matters like the concept of magic and the digital age,
the nature of consciousness in a world where artificial intelligence
may soon exist, And he said something really interesting to
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me one time. He said, if you don't like the
term magic, if you're just reacting to that term the
same way as people would react to something like conspiracy
theorists or you know, uh, some kind of political appellation,
then don't consider it magic. Call it weaponized psychology. And
I thought that was really insightful. You know, I dig
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it too. I don't know if that's the same thing
that these people are talking about. Perhaps absolutely, because in
full disclosure, met neither of us are Satanist, right, no Satanist?
Are you a Satanist? Okay Weathers he's a fair weather Satanist. Okay,
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so I guess when it works out. Okay, so you're
a you're a you're a Satanist the way that people
are fans of the falcons here in Georgia. Oh yeah,
all right, but we're not done. I have to also say, Ben,
the one about that you just said, do not complain
about anything you don't you don't have to. Yeah, you know,
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you don't have to subject yourself to amazing. Yeah. A
lot of people get the martyr complex and say, I
wish that my life is so tough. I wish it
didn't have to do this thing. And then this satanic
rule just points out, well, if you don't have to,
and you really don't want to, then why are you
doing it? Smart? Next, do not harm young children. I
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think we can all agree with that. Everybody can get
behind that one, right. Uh. Ten. Do not kill non
human animals unless you were attacked or for your food.
So don't kill animals for funzies again, Okay, that makes sense.
What about for sacrifices? I think that is um. I mean,
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it's you know, you're not being attacked, it's not for food. Yeah,
I don't know. Unless you're gonna eat it later. Well,
maybe that's levy Ish Satanism instead, because we know that
there are other kinds of satanist I've said too much,
all right, what's the very last one? When walking in
open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you asked
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him to stop, If he does not stop, destroy him.
That's so metal. Yeah. Um, and and of course you know,
I want to point out again that these things we're
talking about. While I don't agree with everything, that is
just one person's opinion. And the rules that are outlined here,
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those eleven makes some really good points. Honestly, they do.
Don't hurt kids, don't hurt animals. Makes much, so much
more sense than it would if somebody just had heard
that there were eleven Satanic rules of the earth and
you didn't know anything about them, you would assume so
much worse, way different. Yeah, and this, if anything, these
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are sort of rules of conduct that I think if
I saw some my behaving this way, I would consider
them an upstanding person. Yeah. It's an alternative moral code
to the one that a lot of us may be
new growing up. Yeah. Can I read you the may
I read you the Satanic sins though, because he must
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have sins, all right, you ready, yes, okay? And these
are Anton LaVey said these in seven and he said,
these are the things you should avoid. They're only nine stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism,
self deceit, heard conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxes,
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counterproductive pride, lack of aesthetics. So like having bad style
or not appreciating beauty is a sin. That's that's very interesting.
But as we're about to find out, that is only
one kind of Satanist, and that is the kind of
Satanist that a lot of people in the West are
familiar with. Right, yes, So we're gonna get into that
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right when we return, because it's time for word our sponsor,
and we are back. Let's cut past all of the
philosophical Satanism that we talked about, which, of course is
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I think, as you said very well, met, it's an
alternative belief system or value system that doesn't necessarily make
it a terrible thing, and it's certainly not a reason
to persecute someone, especially in a country that has freedom
of religion like the US. Yeah, to me, the type
of Satanism seems like a very constructed form of individualism. Yeah, yeah,
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there's something kind of I'm randy ish about it. Uh,
there's a little bit of objectivism there, but that's not
what we're talking about. Lazia, gentlemen, thanks for hanging out
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I don't know about you, Matt again, that's just my opinion.
This is the most fascinating part of this. Oh yeah, sure, definitely.
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It's gonna get dark. Yeah. I can hear it getting
darker already. I can hear it too. Our synaesthesia is
kicking in. And what we're talking about now, ladies and gentlemen,
is not the levy Ish Satanist or the atheistic Satanist,
but the theistic Satanist. These are the people who believe
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that there is a bad guy in the universe, there
is an unholy entity working against the creator of reality
or illuminating it. And and they said, you know what,
let's pray to that guy. Yeah, I like that guy.
So they also engage in ceremonial magic. However, there are
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some things, as you and I were looking into satan worship, right,
theistic state worship. We learned that there are some things
that a lot of people haven't considered, especially when they're
moral panics about widespread state worship. Oh yeah, So what
we have learned, Ben, is that accusations of Satan worship
occur a lot more than the actual worshiping of Satan,
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a lot like the witches back in the day. There
are a lot more people accused of being a witch
than we're witches. And the same with McCarthy is m
and communists. Um, it's just you know, when there's something
that scares you, uh, you may be more inclined to
accuse somebody of this thing that you're afraid of. I see.
And we know that while people who were accused of
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witchcraft back during the Inquisition in and other witch hunts, uh,
while they were possibly not Christian, they probably weren't worshiping,
you know, Lucifer, There's there's fairly compelling evidence that some
people accused of witchcraft were practicing pagan religion of some
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sort right, or something that might be a heretical belief system.
Accusations of witchcraft, however, often had political or social motives
behind them, especially during periods of time when an accuser
or an inquisitor would potentially be entitled to part of
the witches estate or unconviction exactly if they had anything
to gain whatsoever from this person not being there. Um,
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we can see similar patterns and all kinds of social panics.
So we talked about a couple of those. Even if
you look at music like rock music, um, all the
way to the accusations of hip hop performers like jay
Z being secretly and leave with the Illuminati, which by
the way, we cover and check out our video m
and you know, through the Illuminati, a lot of the
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times it gets lumped in with the Devil that there's
a belief that the Illuminati overall worships the Devil, or
at least an evil entity. Right. There's a story here
that I thought was interesting. At one time, Judas Priest
was accused of being responsible for a crime that happened.
The mother of this child said that listening to Judas
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Priests had compelled her son to criminal acts. Uh. And
they talked about what's called backward masking. Yes, and what
what is that? Like you have a better understanding of this,
that's it's pretty simple. Back in the day when you
have the records, a lot of the times you could
just you play the record backwards, and when you listen
to the music backwards, the speech patterns of the vocals
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sound strange, and sometimes it sounds like words are being
spoken and hidden when you play it backwards. So judas
priest defense against this accusation, which won the day in court,
actually was that if they had done backward masking, they
would have done something like by seven more albums, which
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I think is a fairly simpler but also pretty accurate.
So we know that we know that this stuff continues.
The vast majority of people who self identify as theistic
Satanist and you can find these organizations where these individuals
easily online. They come from comparatively recent organizations in history. Uh.
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What we mean by this is their relatively new ideologies
or denominations. And of course you will find a wealth
of people insisting that they're from what is sort of
the golden goose of our question, a multi generational theistic
satan worshiping community. Uh, similar to the way that the
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family is true detective right is uh, not quite Satanic,
but definitely a neopagan, very messed up, evil thing. And
what we found out from our video that you know
the thing that at least the creator of that series
talked about there was that one case where there actually
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was a group of Satan worshippers who at least they
believed they worshiped Satan, right, and that is a pretty
disturbing story. I thought you did a great job editing that.
I know. That's one of those sometimes you guys, when
Matt and I go into something pretty deep and dark, Uh,
we feel like you just can't wash it off, you know. Yeah,
I go into a whole sometimes just shiver alone in
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the dark. But we do know that if there are
real multi generational lines of theistic Satan worshippers, then there
are some problems with verifying their existence. How do we
how do we say it? Right? Yeah, well, sure that
this sort of worship was I mean, you could get
yourself killed, executed by the state or the church for
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a long time there. Um. I mean it would be
very difficult to openly worship the devil or Satan pretty
much at any time, even right now. It would be difficult.
I think, with as progressive as we are right now,
if you're super open about it, I think your life
is not going to be easy at least, well, especially
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if you're if you're a person who is worshiping the
idea of Satan is presented in the Bible right or
in biblical canon, because then you would be actively doing
things that are against the law. Your alignment would be
I believe, chaotic evil done. If we're doing a role
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plane joke. Yeah, well, there's another thing here too. Numerous
organizations purporting to have some sort of ancient lineage have
been proven to be hoaxes, or at least if we're
going to give them a benefit of a doubt, they
have been lying, at least in part about their origin. Uh.
I want to say something else suit earlier I said neopagan. Uh,
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I don't believe that there's anything wrong or inherently evil
about Neopaganism. I mean, it's one of those who I
haven't seen in recent memory. Uh. A group of Neopagan's
band together and kill everyone who's not neopagan. Yeah. Sure,
I'm never heard of Neopagan's doing anything wrong actually that
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I can recall. Well, history is long, and there's a
lot of stuff for us to dig through. I'm sure
we could find. The last thing I want to mention
here are Freemasons. Now we will go online and you
will see all kinds of videos and websites about how
Freemason's worship lucifer um. I got a book for Christmas
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a couple of years ago called Freemason's One on One. Now,
I'm not saying it's the Bible of the Freemasons or
you know, it's not the go to book. You can't
go there and find all the answers, um. But it
talked a lot about how there was some confusion about
worshiping the devil with Freemasons. I don't have all the information,
but I would highly recommend you going out there and
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doing some research, um if you hear about this kind
of thing, because a lot of it, at least from
my experience, is rumor um and probably not true. But
I don't know for sure. I see what you're saying,
that's fair. We know that Freemason lodges have acquired at
times uh shady reputation, but a lot of that would
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be judging off of one bad apple in many ways. Well.
And it's also just secrecy in itself, sure, And there's
there's a great deal of um. There is a great
deal of inherent secrecy and something like that. However, in
the age of the Internet, it is super super easy
to find that information. Now, is it dis respectful to
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people who wish that kind of privacy? Um? Yeah, you know,
in in a lot of ways it is. It's uh, certainly.
For instance, it would be disrespectful to scientologists, right where
a lot of the documents that are supposed to be
restricted if you're a scientologist, right, they are available pre
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online and uh, you know it. It goes back to
your idea of is this ethical? But yeah, with freemasons.
A lot of the fascinating stories that you can read here, um, nowadays,
they're gonna tend to be more factual than the rumors
that would spread, you know, when people didn't have the
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ability to google something. The Internet does tend to shed
light on things too, many things sometimes, and all kinds
of noise as well. Right, that's a very interesting point.
I don't know if we ever talked about this is
so tangential, but there's this there's this great idea that
secrecy used to be based on restricting information right before
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the digital age, and now it's based on inundating you
with information. And I always wonder when we're really cooking
with gas, Matt. I always wonder if we're going to
find one of those needles in the haystack, you know,
when those diamonds in the rough, and have somebody show
up at our tours. Jeez, well, I can give you
one little needle in the haystack. What's that? The trans
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specific partnership? Uh? Field just to me, this is completely
uh in my opinion, But it seems like there are
a lot of things happening and in the news right now.
Then Night beat off obvious skate the idea of the
trans specific partnership. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Let's look into it. Let's find out and listeners, those
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of you who perked up when you heard us mentioned
this right to us and let us know if you
want us to cover this in more depth. All right,
you guys, let's get into the allegation of Satanism throughout
time time time time. This is just a giant list
that Ben and I are going to go through. If
you hear something that you're interested in, get on that
(33:09):
Google and just find it. Man. There's all kinds of
stuff for you on that Google and you can find it.
But be careful, my friends, because the search engine it's
a lot like an abyss. You search long enough, it
starts searching you whatever. Yea, that was better in my head.
So one thing we noticed in our YouTube comments is
(33:30):
that quite a few people said, why didn't you cover uh,
these various groups that are clearly Satanist? And we have
covered these folks. So if we say something strikes your interest,
check out our videos, search YouTube, dot com forward slash
conspiracy stuff, or check out our website stuff. Then once
you know dot com and you will probably find h one,
(33:55):
two or even three part series on these on these guys.
So with a devilish drumroll, please perfect, let's start naming
groups accused of Satanism. That was unexpected, it was really good.
So the first one is the Illuminati, nice, beat me
to it, Uh all right? And the Bohemian grove ben
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ah yes, uh, possibly separate entities, but who knows. Man.
What about the royal family? Ah? Yes, which one? Right?
All of them? All of them? What about the builder Bergs,
Oh that's a great one, Trilateral Commission, the Business Council,
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Oh yeah, and uh what about the Rothchild's, Oh that's
one of those families? About any of those families, the
war Birds, the Rockefeller's, any name that you think is
associated with having a certain amount of money. I'm surprised
really that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett haven't been accused
of Satanism yet. We just haven't found the accusation. It's
(35:01):
somewhere small on a Geo Cities page, right, yeah, Alex
Geo Cities. Uh, it's not online anymore, is it. You
have to use the way back machine. It's true, but
it's there. Uh. Let's see. So we did the Freemasons,
the Rose Crucians, Uh, the Council for Foreign Affairs, right man. Uh,
let's see what else. Uh, the Jesuits of all people
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at times have been accused of worshiping Satan. It's very
strange to me. Have you even seen the Catholic Church itself?
Like the Vatican lumped in there because of some of
the symbols that they use, uh, like that the acorn
and what was the other thing? Oh the obelisks? Yeah yeah, Uh.
The obelisks are a huge thing too. And if you
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I don't blame people because if you just look at
an obelisk, it's really weird. And why of all things
did you build that? Strangely phallic monument. That's why. Okay, well,
I guess I just figured thank you you just you
just hit me too. It actually to Yeah, the male
fallic imagery never be the same. But the let's see
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some other groups that have been accused of this. It's
sad and it's heartbreaking, but we'd be remiss if we
didn't point it out. Over the course of history, the
three Abramaic religions, especially denominations or facets schools of thought
in those three religions, have accused each other more or
(36:32):
less continually across history of UH not only being misled
in their choice of belief system, but actively worshiping the devils.
So they said this about UH. Christians have said this
about Judaism, UH. Christians have said this about Islam right
and is uh people who follow Islam have said this
about other religions. It's a mess. I think it. It's interesting.
(36:54):
It goes back to the idea that Satan is this
great trickster and will make you believe that something is
true that is not and something is not true that
is So you basically get um mixed around and you
think that what's up is down and down is up.
And then you end up worshiping Satan. Yeah, you thought
(37:16):
you were worshiping God. I think that's an interesting idea
and why it kind of shapes the views of the
other religions at times in history. Right, Yeah, you'll you'll
see this, and it's I'm so glad you mentioned that
because you see that idea playing out in uh purported
explanations of a Freemason power structure to right that there's
only an inner circle who knows what's actually going on,
(37:38):
and the outer circle is just there for you know,
social cash a. Yeah, you're worshiping the great architect, but
you didn't know the great architect is Satan. Voice is
killing me, man, my bad. I don't know what happened.
It's like it's not even coming from you. I'm hearing
it in different corners of the room. And that's weird. Yeah,
(38:00):
Noel's crying a little bit of blood. That's strange. Well,
let's sol drawn, go get a tissue. But now finally
our million million dollar question, Okay, are there aside from
these allegations which have not been proven, are there genuine
cases of people purposely conducting evil rights to venerate or
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communicate with an otherworldly, supernatural, unholy monster beyond the stars.
You know what I mean? Like, is that is it real?
That was poetic? Man? Oh thanks many. Yep. There are
the cases we mentioned on the show with the one
that is uh likely an inspiration for True Detective, and
(38:44):
that is definitely something that would caution you about if
you are easily offended or bothered. There there are some
very disturbing details, but so okay, so we know those
cases we mentioned on the show. There's an alleged devil
worship ring in Italy known as the Beast of Satan.
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I found a biased source Christian World News that estimates
there are eight hundred Satanic cults in Italy alone, and
we had to note those have not been proven. There
have been numerous serial killers that claim to be involved
with some kind of dark, dark Satanic arts, some kind
of rights or rituals. Yeah. Um, this includes killers like
(39:27):
the Son of Sam, Richard Ramirez, Hottest Tool, and a
bunch more. And you can look into the four Pie movement,
The Hand of Death super interesting. We did an episode
on that and it's still to this day one of
the most Uh. I don't know, I'll sit down and
watch it sometimes even though I know exactly what's gonna happen.
It's just weird. I'm surprised that there has not been
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an in depth feature film on that because it's such
a strange and fascinating story. But then there are other people,
perhaps you listeners, who say, if you think about it,
it's not surprising at all. All Right, there's another book
that we found in the name of Satan. This book
concerns an incident where these teenagers Royce Casey, Jacob Delashman,
(40:16):
and Joe Fiorella. We're in a band called Hatred, and
they believe that they have found a way to make
the ultimate offering to the Prince of Darkness. They sacrificed
an innocent girl, uh and dragged her to an area
they believed would serve as a devil's altar. They drugged her,
the attacked her, they stabbed her. And we'll find that
(40:38):
a lot of the cases of people who are saying
that they are a theistic Satanist, uh there really throwing
this idea on this sort of window dressing to their crimes,
you know. Uh. And so it's more I think the
case cases of disturbed individuals, to me, it's almost and
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not an excuse to go through with some of those
dark thoughts, but it's a maybe for the person. It's
a nice way to try and justify it. Yeah, yeah,
not nice at all. It's not nice at all. It's
just a way for them to just I imagine that's correct,
which makes it even more disturbing. And here's another example
if we're talking about rationalization. In two thousand to a
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young married British couple admitted to a ritual Satanic killing UH,
and they were told they could spend the rest of
their lives in a secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief
then that there was a bizarre underground occult group in Britain. UH.
Lady named Manuela Ruda, she was twenty three at the time,
told the German courts she had become a vampire in London,
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and her husband, Daniel Ruddea I assume six, was given
a prison sentence, so they had thirteen years for her
fifteen years for him. UH. They had hacked one of
their friends to death in a flat UH in Germany,
and if you read the details of the story, one
of the reasons they picked him is because he had
sort of a milder demeanor and like the Beatles really yeah,
(42:10):
which doesn't sound It sounds to me more like a
rationalization for wanting to kill someone than it does. Uh.
You know, feeling compelled by dark forces to do so
gives a feeling about this stuff. That's not the last example. Yeah.
In two thousand and eight, a gang of Satan worshippers
murdered four teenagers by stabbing each of them six hundred
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and sixty six times. Yeah. The number of the wounds
is the same as that revered by followers of the Devil,
which not to be pedantic, the number is not actually
six six six. That's a mistranslation, right, Yes, Ben, it's
possible that that number is actually six one six, So
they're not doing their research. But these these people, this
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gang would kidnap they kids who were sixteen seventeen, which
I still think qualifies as a kid uh, and then
attack them. And this was in Russia, about three hundred
miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of their victims,
which brings us to one other case. And I you know,
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we're hammering at home, but we're barely scratching the surface
of murders that are alleged to be part of Satanic rights.
This past month that for anyone listening to this podcast
when it comes out October. Uh, just as people were
preparing for Halloween, three people were arrested for killing and
(43:41):
cannibalizing at least two men in Clemens, North Carolina. Uh.
The male who is, you know, sort of the ring leader,
is named pozzuzu Ila Algarad thirty five years old, and
his accomplices list is Amber Nicole Burcho, Crystal Nicole Matlock.
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Uh so, and those are just the people arrested so far, right, Yeah,
I think that those are gonna be the main three. Uh.
This Pozzus, you guy a real character for everybody wondering, Hey,
does that name sound familiar? Yeah, it's the demon from
The Exorcist. Turns out Pazzus, who's mother is a Satanist
and named her son that. Oh that was just going
(44:26):
to turn out great, wasn't it. Yeah? And uh, the
I don't know the entirety of the story. I know
that they're still looking for more bodies. They found the
men buried in the backyard, and they found animals as well. Uh.
So these are certainly not leave a type Satanist or
atheistic Satanist. So Matt got to ask you my favorite
(44:51):
part of the show, what's the verdict. The verdict is, uh,
don't name your children names of demons from popular films.
You're just setting yourself up for failure or maybe when
depending on what you believe. But I would say, don't
do that. I think ben that this is a real thing.
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People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot
of things, and I personally don't think that a Satan,
a Satan that can be worshiped exists my personal opinion. However,
I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that
(45:34):
it's true and do things like we said before to uh,
I don't know, to strengthen those beliefs. I see what
you're saying. Yeah, I This is so interesting to me
because it's one of the longest running, most pervasive conspiracy
theories in the in the world of this sort of thought,
(45:56):
and that's the idea that the Earth is run, or
at least part of the Earth is run by a
faction of people who have a secret religion. Here's the thing,
As crazy as it might sound, it is possible to
have a secret religion, and really when we see most
(46:16):
of that. It's just it's religion where outsiders are not
allowed to see certain stuff, but they'll you'll you'll know
that there is a religion that you're not part of.
For something to be so secret that people don't even
know about it, that's kind of tough. And for a long,
long long time it was very, very skeptical about this um,
(46:37):
but recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me
that it is possible for people at the top of
a social hierarchy to keep secrets that otherwise should never
have been kept in And I'm talking specifically about the
child abuse allegations largely seeming factual, uh, regarding Cyril Smith, um,
(47:06):
what's his name, Jimmy Saville, and these guys kept secrets
for decades and they had assistance from the government. And
if we just took out child abuse and put in Satanism, uh,
then the mechanism of keeping something like that secret still holds,
(47:26):
which is terrifying it right, So, just just as an
an anecdote here, I used to work at a country club,
a prominent country club in Atlanta, and I knew a
lot of the members names because I worked there, and
one of the things was you had to address people
(47:47):
by their names when they show up. One of the
only things you'll find if you go online and search
for this group or the members of this club is
an old web page that you have to have a member.
I d to log in and search it at all.
And I was trying to find, like, look up some
of these old members because I actually, uh somewhat became
(48:07):
friends with some of them, and you can't find their
names anywhere, some of these really prominent people. It just
makes me think, Oh, I don't know, man, if it's
that easy to hide yourself on the internet, ah, just
for that simple thing, like your information about being a
member of a country club. Privacy is one of the
(48:27):
new elite privileges, you know what I mean. It's it's
increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. So I
can see how it's definitely at a premium. And I
guess what you and I are both saying then, is
that through different means, we have found that it is
possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that secret
(48:50):
be a crime or whether that secret be some sort
of belief system. And that's to me, that's strange, um,
especially because you know, Matt, you and I work ardently
to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems, right, um,
(49:10):
even in some cases belief systems that specifically say people
like you and I are very very bad. Yeah, but
enough about us. We hope that you enjoyed this podcast.
We would like to hear what you think. Are there
real devil worshipers? Are they multi generational and they spanning
(49:32):
the globe working in secret to bring down humanity or
usher in a new dark age? And yeah, and if
there is a group like that, what exactly do you
think they worship? What back is it? Man? We'd love
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Man, this is a fun one. This uh, this one
got us in some hot water on YouTube. Do you
remember two with the real devil worshippers. It's interesting and
that's kind of a primary reason for making this video
talking about Luciferianism versus what someone would consider a devil worshiper,
(00:21):
someone who does rights and rituals based on some Satanic ideology.
Sure like, it's like Marilyn Manson Satanism versus Alistair Crowleys. Yeah.
We in this classic episode, we dive into the question
of whether or not there are real The correct phrase
would be theistic Satanist people who believe in a God
(00:45):
and the devil and have chosen to propitiate and worship
the devil for some reason or another. And this is
very different. We go through a lot of stereotypes. This
is different from you know, the lavay kind of Church
of Satan stuff that you may have heard about. We're
looking for the real deal rituals, sacrifices. You know, all
(01:08):
those rumors about the people who liked metallica and dungeons
and dragons during the Satanic Panic or magic the Gathering
or Alice Cooper. Yeah, and you know, maybe you've watched
Sons of Sam recently on Netflix where they talk about
the Satanic panic and potential you know, devil worship that
(01:29):
may or may not have been involved with the Son
of Sam killings. Well, hey, this is the episode for you.
Check it out from UFOs two Ghosts and government cover ups,
histories writ with unexplained events. You can turn back now
or learn the stuff they don't want you to now below. Everyone,
(01:51):
welcome back to the show. Today, Ben, we are talking
about somebody. Oh I don't know them. We could it be? Uh,
tell you what? It's someone who never gets mentioned in
awards speeches. Satan. That's right, Matt, that's right. Today we
(02:11):
are following up on our video podcast that came out
earlier with an audio podcast on Satan. The question of
the day, which we addressed in our video podcast was
are there real Satan worshippers? Yes? And we found that
in fact, yes there are. And basically the answer we
got in the YouTube comments was, of course, I guess
(02:35):
people know a lot more about Satan worship than we do.
It's cool, we get it. Uh. We've been doing some
research all week and finding all kinds of fun things.
So we're gonna give you kind of a background on
all of this stuff. We're gonna give you some of
the allegations against worshippers of Satan, and we're gonna look
at the reality of Luciferianism, which is a slightly different thing. Um.
(02:57):
And yeah, we're come along with for the ride. Yeah,
hop on make a faucti embargain with us for the
rest of this podcast. I don't know what that means.
I promise this podcast is not like seven years long.
If a soul exists, you will keep yours at the end. Uh. First,
a little bit of a disclaimer, Matt, You and I
(03:18):
know that it is incredibly difficult to talk about these
sorts of subjects, right, absolutely, and we want to make
sure that we're separating the facts from our opinions, and
we will be extremely careful to let you know what
is our opinion, um, and what are the facts? So yeah, Satan, right, yes, Satan.
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And when we hope you enjoyed this episode, and if
you do love it, please let us know if you
do have a problem, there's something you think we got
completely wrong. Uh, please remember that because these things are
so subjective, Uh, it's very easy for anyone, including Matt,
myself and possibly you a listener to mistake an opinion
(04:02):
for a fact, even Noel, even super producer Noel, who
needs a shout out here, Noel, we had some people
right in by the way about the Halloween special. You
kinda did a great job. Yeah, I've got some tweets
asking where the music is. We've got some great emails
about it. Anyhow, Satan, Noel, I think did it on
his own, with his own blood, sweat and tears, and
(04:23):
no dark deals with Mephistopheles. Uh. In the conventional Christian sense, right,
Satan is who Matt. He is a rebellious angel. Uh.
Some say he was the most loved by God, but
he did God wrong, and uh he had to go
to a place down below. Right. In some of the
(04:46):
Aramaic religions or in stories right ancient stories about Lucifer,
or the Devil as the entity is known today, the
devil really loses huge points with God when God creates humans,
who are God's new favorite thing ever, and he tells
all the angels. God tells all the angels to bow
(05:07):
down before humans, and Lucifer is no man, I was
here first. I'm gonna come on you can't do that
to me. Yeah, you know, it's like this is bunk
and this is dumb. Well, yeah, it's an it's an
interesting idea goes back to when you look at children
and families where there are multiple children and the psychology
(05:29):
behind being the firstborn, second born, like a middle child
or a third child. And um, the Bible got a
lot of the stuff kind of right about the internal
Uh let's say demons that you have to fight. Huh.
Interesting comparison. I haven't. I have not thought about it
that way. But we do know that, Uh, we do
(05:49):
know that some of these stories are repeated throughout the
three Abramaic religions, right um. And we know that the
cause of this rebellion, right Uh, however it happens, of course,
the details differ, right Uh as far as the timeline
when Satan falls, but we know that because of this rebellion,
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he becomes the antagonist of this universe, of this belief system. Uh.
And this interpretation of Satan has changed over time. So
modern Christianity today associates Satan with the serpent and Adam
and Eve, who's going, hey, come on, man, just eat
the fruit. Why why are you being You're being so
(06:33):
weird Eve, but Satan himself, as as we mentioned the video,
the actual individual is more of a New Testament thing. Yeah.
Then in the New Testament you see Satan come along
when he's tempting Jesus, uh, when he's out on when
Jesus is out on his wilderness journey. Um, and he's
(06:53):
kind of seen as a tempter there where he's trying
to get Jesus to move away from his faith by
offering things. Sure. Yeah, they have that lion king moment
where they stand in the cliff and he says, all
of this can be yours if you just do what
I say, essentially, if you just choose me over God.
So this concept of an adversarial spirit is far from unique.
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Many religions have adversarial entities, right, And it's possible that
the modern understanding of Satan in the Christian and perhaps
the Islamic religion as well, derive apart from religious syncretism,
the melding of different religions when they meet. So we've
got the abramatic concepts dating back to Ha Satan, the
(07:38):
just obstructor the challenger uh two, and pre existing religions,
particularly Babylonian, which was fascinating to me, Matt. Yeah, we
took a look at the zoroas Zoroastrianism, which is cool.
Did some just some wikipedian even, just to make sure
I match up all the imagery and everything. That's fascinating.
One interesting thing that we found in research is that
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one group's god uh can be another group Satan and
vice versa. And we found this in a couple of
different places. What's the name of that group, Gnosticism, gnostics, monastics.
This is a name for a group of beliefs. The
practitioners believe that the material world, this the one that
we are existing on that you're listening to this podcast
(08:22):
in was created and is ruled by a demi urge
or creator, who is not God, the ruler of the
spirit world. So God, the actual God, rules the spirit world,
and this demi urge rules the material plane. That's correct,
all right, And we know that this demi urge is
(08:43):
not the best entity, not the best thing. In fact,
it's often an antagonist attempting to impede the human soul
or spirit from reaching the higher plane. Uh. You'll hear
it called names like jaldabof Um. There there's some great moment,
a gnostic literature about this Yaldebat, this chief ar con Um.
(09:06):
In this system, what we think of as the main
God is instead the stemy urge. And uh, there's a
higher plane with a benevolent creator that exists in the
spiritual world. So if you can cast your memory back
their Lord to uh borrow from a Van Morrison song. Uh,
two centuries and centuries ago when people would say this
(09:28):
is the God that we worship, and then these gnostic
folks would say, your god is the bad guy though
we're we're doing something else. So you guys are sword
of Devil worshipers. But of course it wasn't phrased in
that way. And uh, these beliefs, Gnostic beliefs were considered
heretical and very close to uh Satanism, but it's it's
(09:52):
a different interpretation, you know what I mean. We do
know that there are different types of straight up Satanism, though,
so the one that you probably know about the most
was started by this guy named Anton LaVey. It's called
the system is also called atheistic Satanism. It's a religious
philosophy that bases a lot of its system of belief
on egoism. Individualism and self identification. So you you are
(10:16):
the most important thing as the practitioner inside this belief system. Okay,
but it's still it's still I think counts in a
religious way because they practice magic, right, Oh yeah, they
practice magic um, but they do not worship Satan or
the devil. Okay, So they worship the symbol that's exactly
(10:36):
this Luciferian uh almost Promethean lightbringer. That's what they're worshiping.
And we found that that's pretty common, at least from
when I was searching around. That's a fairly common thing.
And people who say they worship Satan or the devil,
they use a system of belief, not necessarily actually worshiping
a deity or antideity. So then in this case we
(10:59):
know that this would not this would not be the
real Satan worshippers that we're talking about in our videos
or in the title question of this podcast. Not necessarily
they fit in because of you know, they call themselves.
Yeah but yeah, okay, well, we we know that you
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can read more about this type of Satanism in Anton
LaVey's book The Satanic Bible, and we have a list
of some of their rules. Again, these were made by
Anton LaVey. These did not come down from some sort
of golden tablet equivalent or whatever. It's pretty transparent about that. Yeah,
(11:42):
and you know it's what So this is the opinion time.
But I feel like it should definitely be called Livyism
rather than Satanism, just because it was kind of written
by one guy. I see what you're saying, and I
wonder if you know, I wonder what the choice was
to say that. I guess it's because the symbol in
forms so much of the belief system. But you know,
(12:03):
that's the thing. If you make something up, you get
to name it. It's true and no offense of the guy.
But saying something is Satanism, I'm sure didn't hurt in
getting some press from what I understand, And you know,
not to make this an ant On leave a podcast
that uh he had been practicing things like this for
some time before he gathered this material and made a religion.
(12:25):
And although there have been some schisms in the Church
of Satan between the church's runners right and uh LaVey's daughter,
the organization itself continues today. Um so I'm not doing it, yeah,
certainly not dogging it. I'm just I don't know, maybe
(12:47):
stating an obvious thing. Yeah, livaism, but maybe I don't know.
People's question would be who is Anton LaVey? And sure, right,
well here's the thing. Despite the name, they advocates and
things that are actually not that bad philosophically. I don't
completely agree with everything, but that's my opinion. Uh. Here
(13:10):
here's some of the factual things. Matt. Maybe you and
I can alternate on this. So he has a thing
called the nine Satanic statements, and they are Satan represents
indulgence instead of abstinence. Uh. Satan represents vital existence instead
of spiritual pipe dreams. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of
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hypocritical self deceit. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve
it instead of love wasted on ingrades sick burn. Satan
represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek, and represents
responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires,
which we also have a video series on check it out.
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Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more
often worse than those that walk on all fours, who
because of his divine, spiritual, and intellectual development has become
the most vicious animal of all. Now here's one of
the really controversial ones. Met Uh. Satan represents all of
the so called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental,
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or emotional gratification, murder, murder. I guess I'm not sure.
It's kind of a blanket statement. But there's one more.
Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had,
as he has kept it in business all these years.
So we see here there's a blunt candor to these statements. Now,
(14:38):
these are not necessarily the commandments. These are sort of
mission statements of what this sort of Satanism is. However,
we do have what Levey calls the Satanic rules of
the earth. And not to be outdone, he made eleven
instead of ten. That's right, and here they are. One.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you're asked to.
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Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are
sure they want to hear them. That's good advice, actually
good when in another's layer, show them respect, or else
do not go there, agreed, For if a guest in
your layer of noise, you treat them cruelly and without mercy,
it's your house, I guess, do not make sexual advances
unless you're given the mating signal, which is yeah, they
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now without I was gonna say, without knowing what the
mating signal is. I respect the idea, but I would
definitely want to know what it is, because I don't
want to accidentally be in that kind of environment and
make a mating signal. You know, we need to come
up with a universal human mating signal. Yeah, there's some
(15:46):
like body language things, but I don't know if there's
a one size fits all answered anyhow. That's something the
other day. Okay, I'm glad that you thought that was
a strange one to uh six, this is pretty good.
Uh do not take that which does not belong to you.
Pretty good so far. But wait, there's a comma. Unless
it's a burden to the other person and they cry
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out to be relieved, that could be Take this for
Harry from from me. Please. You know I'm taking it
for you from you. I really appreciate it. I'll see
you tomorrow. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have
employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny
the power of magic after having called upon it with success,
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you will lose all you have obtained. Eight, do not
complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself. Well,
I just want to go back to the previous one
really fast bend because um, they totally said magic. Yeah,
like magic, magic is real and believe it. If you don't,
you're gonna lose all the things you conjured. You know.
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One thing that's interesting about this is uh a friend
of mine who is a professor. He studied ease esoteric
matters like the concept of magic and the digital age,
the nature of consciousness in a world where artificial intelligence
may soon exist, And he said something really interesting to
(17:15):
me one time. He said, if you don't like the
term magic, if you're just reacting to that term the
same way as people would react to something like conspiracy
theorists or you know, uh, some kind of political appellation,
then don't consider it magic. Call it weaponized psychology. And
I thought that was really insightful. You know, I dig
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it too. I don't know if that's the same thing
that these people are talking about. Perhaps absolutely, because in
full disclosure, met neither of us are Satanist, right, no Satanist?
Are you a Satanist? Okay Weathers he's a fair weather Satanist. Okay,
(18:03):
so I guess when it works out. Okay, so you're
a you're a you're a Satanist the way that people
are fans of the falcons here in Georgia. Oh yeah,
all right, but we're not done. I have to also say, Ben,
the one about that you just said, do not complain
about anything you don't you don't have to. Yeah, you know,
(18:26):
you don't have to subject yourself to amazing. Yeah. A
lot of people get the martyr complex and say, I
wish that my life is so tough. I wish it
didn't have to do this thing. And then this satanic
rule just points out, well, if you don't have to,
and you really don't want to, then why are you
doing it? Smart? Next, do not harm young children. I
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think we can all agree with that. Everybody can get
behind that one, right. Uh. Ten. Do not kill non
human animals unless you were attacked or for your food.
So don't kill animals for funzies again, Okay, that makes sense.
What about for sacrifices? I think that is um. I mean,
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it's you know, you're not being attacked, it's not for food. Yeah,
I don't know. Unless you're gonna eat it later. Well,
maybe that's levy Ish Satanism instead, because we know that
there are other kinds of satanist I've said too much,
all right, what's the very last one? When walking in
open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you asked
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him to stop, If he does not stop, destroy him.
That's so metal. Yeah. Um, and and of course you know,
I want to point out again that these things we're
talking about. While I don't agree with everything, that is
just one person's opinion. And the rules that are outlined here,
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those eleven makes some really good points. Honestly, they do.
Don't hurt kids, don't hurt animals. Makes much, so much
more sense than it would if somebody just had heard
that there were eleven Satanic rules of the earth and
you didn't know anything about them, you would assume so
much worse, way different. Yeah, and this, if anything, these
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are sort of rules of conduct that I think if
I saw some my behaving this way, I would consider
them an upstanding person. Yeah. It's an alternative moral code
to the one that a lot of us may be
new growing up. Yeah. Can I read you the may
I read you the Satanic sins though, because he must
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have sins, all right, you ready, yes, okay? And these
are Anton LaVey said these in seven and he said,
these are the things you should avoid. They're only nine stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism,
self deceit, heard conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxes,
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counterproductive pride, lack of aesthetics. So like having bad style
or not appreciating beauty is a sin. That's that's very interesting.
But as we're about to find out, that is only
one kind of Satanist, and that is the kind of
Satanist that a lot of people in the West are
familiar with. Right, yes, So we're gonna get into that
(21:20):
right when we return, because it's time for word our sponsor,
and we are back. Let's cut past all of the
philosophical Satanism that we talked about, which, of course is
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I think, as you said very well, met, it's an
alternative belief system or value system that doesn't necessarily make
it a terrible thing, and it's certainly not a reason
to persecute someone, especially in a country that has freedom
of religion like the US. Yeah, to me, the type
of Satanism seems like a very constructed form of individualism. Yeah, yeah,
(22:05):
there's something kind of I'm randy ish about it. Uh,
there's a little bit of objectivism there, but that's not
what we're talking about. Lazia, gentlemen, thanks for hanging out
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I don't know about you, Matt again, that's just my opinion.
This is the most fascinating part of this. Oh yeah, sure, definitely.
(22:27):
It's gonna get dark. Yeah. I can hear it getting
darker already. I can hear it too. Our synaesthesia is
kicking in. And what we're talking about now, ladies and gentlemen,
is not the levy Ish Satanist or the atheistic Satanist,
but the theistic Satanist. These are the people who believe
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that there is a bad guy in the universe, there
is an unholy entity working against the creator of reality
or illuminating it. And and they said, you know what,
let's pray to that guy. Yeah, I like that guy.
So they also engage in ceremonial magic. However, there are
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some things, as you and I were looking into satan worship, right,
theistic state worship. We learned that there are some things
that a lot of people haven't considered, especially when they're
moral panics about widespread state worship. Oh yeah, So what
we have learned, Ben, is that accusations of Satan worship
occur a lot more than the actual worshiping of Satan,
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a lot like the witches back in the day. There
are a lot more people accused of being a witch
than we're witches. And the same with McCarthy is m
and communists. Um, it's just you know, when there's something
that scares you, uh, you may be more inclined to
accuse somebody of this thing that you're afraid of. I see.
And we know that while people who were accused of
(23:57):
witchcraft back during the Inquisition in and other witch hunts, uh,
while they were possibly not Christian, they probably weren't worshiping,
you know, Lucifer, There's there's fairly compelling evidence that some
people accused of witchcraft were practicing pagan religion of some
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sort right, or something that might be a heretical belief system.
Accusations of witchcraft, however, often had political or social motives
behind them, especially during periods of time when an accuser
or an inquisitor would potentially be entitled to part of
the witches estate or unconviction exactly if they had anything
to gain whatsoever from this person not being there. Um,
(24:41):
we can see similar patterns and all kinds of social panics.
So we talked about a couple of those. Even if
you look at music like rock music, um, all the
way to the accusations of hip hop performers like jay
Z being secretly and leave with the Illuminati, which by
the way, we cover and check out our video m
and you know, through the Illuminati, a lot of the
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times it gets lumped in with the Devil that there's
a belief that the Illuminati overall worships the Devil, or
at least an evil entity. Right. There's a story here
that I thought was interesting. At one time, Judas Priest
was accused of being responsible for a crime that happened.
The mother of this child said that listening to Judas
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Priests had compelled her son to criminal acts. Uh. And
they talked about what's called backward masking. Yes, and what
what is that? Like you have a better understanding of this,
that's it's pretty simple. Back in the day when you
have the records, a lot of the times you could
just you play the record backwards, and when you listen
to the music backwards, the speech patterns of the vocals
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sound strange, and sometimes it sounds like words are being
spoken and hidden when you play it backwards. So judas
priest defense against this accusation, which won the day in court,
actually was that if they had done backward masking, they
would have done something like by seven more albums, which
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I think is a fairly simpler but also pretty accurate.
So we know that we know that this stuff continues.
The vast majority of people who self identify as theistic
Satanist and you can find these organizations where these individuals
easily online. They come from comparatively recent organizations in history. Uh.
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What we mean by this is their relatively new ideologies
or denominations. And of course you will find a wealth
of people insisting that they're from what is sort of
the golden goose of our question, a multi generational theistic
satan worshiping community. Uh, similar to the way that the
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family is true detective right is uh, not quite Satanic,
but definitely a neopagan, very messed up, evil thing. And
what we found out from our video that you know
the thing that at least the creator of that series
talked about there was that one case where there actually
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was a group of Satan worshippers who at least they
believed they worshiped Satan, right, and that is a pretty
disturbing story. I thought you did a great job editing that.
I know. That's one of those sometimes you guys, when
Matt and I go into something pretty deep and dark, Uh,
we feel like you just can't wash it off, you know. Yeah,
I go into a whole sometimes just shiver alone in
(27:43):
the dark. But we do know that if there are
real multi generational lines of theistic Satan worshippers, then there
are some problems with verifying their existence. How do we
how do we say it? Right? Yeah, well, sure that
this sort of worship was I mean, you could get
yourself killed, executed by the state or the church for
(28:05):
a long time there. Um. I mean it would be
very difficult to openly worship the devil or Satan pretty
much at any time, even right now. It would be difficult.
I think, with as progressive as we are right now,
if you're super open about it, I think your life
is not going to be easy at least, well, especially
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if you're if you're a person who is worshiping the
idea of Satan is presented in the Bible right or
in biblical canon, because then you would be actively doing
things that are against the law. Your alignment would be
I believe, chaotic evil done. If we're doing a role
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plane joke. Yeah, well, there's another thing here too. Numerous
organizations purporting to have some sort of ancient lineage have
been proven to be hoaxes, or at least if we're
going to give them a benefit of a doubt, they
have been lying, at least in part about their origin. Uh.
I want to say something else suit earlier I said neopagan. Uh,
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I don't believe that there's anything wrong or inherently evil
about Neopaganism. I mean, it's one of those who I
haven't seen in recent memory. Uh. A group of Neopagan's
band together and kill everyone who's not neopagan. Yeah. Sure,
I'm never heard of Neopagan's doing anything wrong actually that
(29:33):
I can recall. Well, history is long, and there's a
lot of stuff for us to dig through. I'm sure
we could find. The last thing I want to mention
here are Freemasons. Now we will go online and you
will see all kinds of videos and websites about how
Freemason's worship lucifer um. I got a book for Christmas
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a couple of years ago called Freemason's One on One. Now,
I'm not saying it's the Bible of the Freemasons or
you know, it's not the go to book. You can't
go there and find all the answers, um. But it
talked a lot about how there was some confusion about
worshiping the devil with Freemasons. I don't have all the information,
but I would highly recommend you going out there and
(30:15):
doing some research, um if you hear about this kind
of thing, because a lot of it, at least from
my experience, is rumor um and probably not true. But
I don't know for sure. I see what you're saying,
that's fair. We know that Freemason lodges have acquired at
times uh shady reputation, but a lot of that would
(30:37):
be judging off of one bad apple in many ways. Well.
And it's also just secrecy in itself, sure, And there's
there's a great deal of um. There is a great
deal of inherent secrecy and something like that. However, in
the age of the Internet, it is super super easy
to find that information. Now, is it dis respectful to
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people who wish that kind of privacy? Um? Yeah, you know,
in in a lot of ways it is. It's uh, certainly.
For instance, it would be disrespectful to scientologists, right where
a lot of the documents that are supposed to be
restricted if you're a scientologist, right, they are available pre
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online and uh, you know it. It goes back to
your idea of is this ethical? But yeah, with freemasons.
A lot of the fascinating stories that you can read here, um, nowadays,
they're gonna tend to be more factual than the rumors
that would spread, you know, when people didn't have the
(31:42):
ability to google something. The Internet does tend to shed
light on things too, many things sometimes, and all kinds
of noise as well. Right, that's a very interesting point.
I don't know if we ever talked about this is
so tangential, but there's this there's this great idea that
secrecy used to be based on restricting information right before
(32:05):
the digital age, and now it's based on inundating you
with information. And I always wonder when we're really cooking
with gas, Matt. I always wonder if we're going to
find one of those needles in the haystack, you know,
when those diamonds in the rough, and have somebody show
up at our tours. Jeez, well, I can give you
one little needle in the haystack. What's that? The trans
(32:26):
specific partnership? Uh? Field just to me, this is completely
uh in my opinion, But it seems like there are
a lot of things happening and in the news right now.
Then Night beat off obvious skate the idea of the
trans specific partnership. I don't know, man, I don't know.
Let's look into it. Let's find out and listeners, those
(32:48):
of you who perked up when you heard us mentioned
this right to us and let us know if you
want us to cover this in more depth. All right,
you guys, let's get into the allegation of Satanism throughout
time time time time. This is just a giant list
that Ben and I are going to go through. If
you hear something that you're interested in, get on that
(33:09):
Google and just find it. Man. There's all kinds of
stuff for you on that Google and you can find it.
But be careful, my friends, because the search engine it's
a lot like an abyss. You search long enough, it
starts searching you whatever. Yea, that was better in my head.
So one thing we noticed in our YouTube comments is
(33:30):
that quite a few people said, why didn't you cover uh,
these various groups that are clearly Satanist? And we have
covered these folks. So if we say something strikes your interest,
check out our videos, search YouTube, dot com forward slash
conspiracy stuff, or check out our website stuff. Then once
you know dot com and you will probably find h one,
(33:55):
two or even three part series on these on these guys.
So with a devilish drumroll, please perfect, let's start naming
groups accused of Satanism. That was unexpected, it was really good.
So the first one is the Illuminati, nice, beat me
to it, Uh all right? And the Bohemian grove ben
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ah yes, uh, possibly separate entities, but who knows. Man.
What about the royal family? Ah? Yes, which one? Right?
All of them? All of them? What about the builder Bergs,
Oh that's a great one, Trilateral Commission, the Business Council,
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Oh yeah, and uh what about the Rothchild's, Oh that's
one of those families? About any of those families, the
war Birds, the Rockefeller's, any name that you think is
associated with having a certain amount of money. I'm surprised
really that Bill Gates and Warren Buffett haven't been accused
of Satanism yet. We just haven't found the accusation. It's
(35:01):
somewhere small on a Geo Cities page, right, yeah, Alex
Geo Cities. Uh, it's not online anymore, is it. You
have to use the way back machine. It's true, but
it's there. Uh. Let's see. So we did the Freemasons,
the Rose Crucians, Uh, the Council for Foreign Affairs, right man. Uh,
let's see what else. Uh, the Jesuits of all people
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at times have been accused of worshiping Satan. It's very
strange to me. Have you even seen the Catholic Church itself?
Like the Vatican lumped in there because of some of
the symbols that they use, uh, like that the acorn
and what was the other thing? Oh the obelisks? Yeah yeah, Uh.
The obelisks are a huge thing too. And if you
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I don't blame people because if you just look at
an obelisk, it's really weird. And why of all things
did you build that? Strangely phallic monument. That's why. Okay, well,
I guess I just figured thank you you just you
just hit me too. It actually to Yeah, the male
fallic imagery never be the same. But the let's see
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some other groups that have been accused of this. It's
sad and it's heartbreaking, but we'd be remiss if we
didn't point it out. Over the course of history, the
three Abramaic religions, especially denominations or facets schools of thought
in those three religions, have accused each other more or
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less continually across history of UH not only being misled
in their choice of belief system, but actively worshiping the devils.
So they said this about UH. Christians have said this
about Judaism, UH. Christians have said this about Islam right
and is uh people who follow Islam have said this
about other religions. It's a mess. I think it. It's interesting.
(36:54):
It goes back to the idea that Satan is this
great trickster and will make you believe that something is
true that is not and something is not true that
is So you basically get um mixed around and you
think that what's up is down and down is up.
And then you end up worshiping Satan. Yeah, you thought
(37:16):
you were worshiping God. I think that's an interesting idea
and why it kind of shapes the views of the
other religions at times in history. Right, Yeah, you'll you'll
see this, and it's I'm so glad you mentioned that
because you see that idea playing out in uh purported
explanations of a Freemason power structure to right that there's
only an inner circle who knows what's actually going on,
(37:38):
and the outer circle is just there for you know,
social cash a. Yeah, you're worshiping the great architect, but
you didn't know the great architect is Satan. Voice is
killing me, man, my bad. I don't know what happened.
It's like it's not even coming from you. I'm hearing
it in different corners of the room. And that's weird. Yeah,
(38:00):
Noel's crying a little bit of blood. That's strange. Well,
let's sol drawn, go get a tissue. But now finally
our million million dollar question, Okay, are there aside from
these allegations which have not been proven, are there genuine
cases of people purposely conducting evil rights to venerate or
(38:21):
communicate with an otherworldly, supernatural, unholy monster beyond the stars.
You know what I mean? Like, is that is it real?
That was poetic? Man? Oh thanks many. Yep. There are
the cases we mentioned on the show with the one
that is uh likely an inspiration for True Detective, and
(38:44):
that is definitely something that would caution you about if
you are easily offended or bothered. There there are some
very disturbing details, but so okay, so we know those
cases we mentioned on the show. There's an alleged devil
worship ring in Italy known as the Beast of Satan.
(39:05):
I found a biased source Christian World News that estimates
there are eight hundred Satanic cults in Italy alone, and
we had to note those have not been proven. There
have been numerous serial killers that claim to be involved
with some kind of dark, dark Satanic arts, some kind
of rights or rituals. Yeah. Um, this includes killers like
(39:27):
the Son of Sam, Richard Ramirez, Hottest Tool, and a
bunch more. And you can look into the four Pie movement,
The Hand of Death super interesting. We did an episode
on that and it's still to this day one of
the most Uh. I don't know, I'll sit down and
watch it sometimes even though I know exactly what's gonna happen.
It's just weird. I'm surprised that there has not been
(39:52):
an in depth feature film on that because it's such
a strange and fascinating story. But then there are other people,
perhaps you listeners, who say, if you think about it,
it's not surprising at all. All Right, there's another book
that we found in the name of Satan. This book
concerns an incident where these teenagers Royce Casey, Jacob Delashman,
(40:16):
and Joe Fiorella. We're in a band called Hatred, and
they believe that they have found a way to make
the ultimate offering to the Prince of Darkness. They sacrificed
an innocent girl, uh and dragged her to an area
they believed would serve as a devil's altar. They drugged her,
the attacked her, they stabbed her. And we'll find that
(40:38):
a lot of the cases of people who are saying
that they are a theistic Satanist, uh there really throwing
this idea on this sort of window dressing to their crimes,
you know. Uh. And so it's more I think the
case cases of disturbed individuals, to me, it's almost and
(41:00):
not an excuse to go through with some of those
dark thoughts, but it's a maybe for the person. It's
a nice way to try and justify it. Yeah, yeah,
not nice at all. It's not nice at all. It's
just a way for them to just I imagine that's correct,
which makes it even more disturbing. And here's another example
if we're talking about rationalization. In two thousand to a
(41:24):
young married British couple admitted to a ritual Satanic killing UH,
and they were told they could spend the rest of
their lives in a secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief
then that there was a bizarre underground occult group in Britain. UH.
Lady named Manuela Ruda, she was twenty three at the time,
told the German courts she had become a vampire in London,
(41:46):
and her husband, Daniel Ruddea I assume six, was given
a prison sentence, so they had thirteen years for her
fifteen years for him. UH. They had hacked one of
their friends to death in a flat UH in Germany,
and if you read the details of the story, one
of the reasons they picked him is because he had
sort of a milder demeanor and like the Beatles really yeah,
(42:10):
which doesn't sound It sounds to me more like a
rationalization for wanting to kill someone than it does. Uh.
You know, feeling compelled by dark forces to do so
gives a feeling about this stuff. That's not the last example. Yeah.
In two thousand and eight, a gang of Satan worshippers
murdered four teenagers by stabbing each of them six hundred
(42:33):
and sixty six times. Yeah. The number of the wounds
is the same as that revered by followers of the Devil,
which not to be pedantic, the number is not actually
six six six. That's a mistranslation, right, Yes, Ben, it's
possible that that number is actually six one six, So
they're not doing their research. But these these people, this
(42:56):
gang would kidnap they kids who were sixteen seventeen, which
I still think qualifies as a kid uh, and then
attack them. And this was in Russia, about three hundred
miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of their victims,
which brings us to one other case. And I you know,
(43:18):
we're hammering at home, but we're barely scratching the surface
of murders that are alleged to be part of Satanic rights.
This past month that for anyone listening to this podcast
when it comes out October. Uh, just as people were
preparing for Halloween, three people were arrested for killing and
(43:41):
cannibalizing at least two men in Clemens, North Carolina. Uh.
The male who is, you know, sort of the ring leader,
is named pozzuzu Ila Algarad thirty five years old, and
his accomplices list is Amber Nicole Burcho, Crystal Nicole Matlock.
(44:03):
Uh so, and those are just the people arrested so far, right, Yeah,
I think that those are gonna be the main three. Uh.
This Pozzus, you guy a real character for everybody wondering, Hey,
does that name sound familiar? Yeah, it's the demon from
The Exorcist. Turns out Pazzus, who's mother is a Satanist
and named her son that. Oh that was just going
(44:26):
to turn out great, wasn't it. Yeah? And uh, the
I don't know the entirety of the story. I know
that they're still looking for more bodies. They found the
men buried in the backyard, and they found animals as well. Uh.
So these are certainly not leave a type Satanist or
atheistic Satanist. So Matt got to ask you my favorite
(44:51):
part of the show, what's the verdict. The verdict is, uh,
don't name your children names of demons from popular films.
You're just setting yourself up for failure or maybe when
depending on what you believe. But I would say, don't
do that. I think ben that this is a real thing.
(45:13):
People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot
of things, and I personally don't think that a Satan,
a Satan that can be worshiped exists my personal opinion. However,
I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that
(45:34):
it's true and do things like we said before to uh,
I don't know, to strengthen those beliefs. I see what
you're saying. Yeah, I This is so interesting to me
because it's one of the longest running, most pervasive conspiracy
theories in the in the world of this sort of thought,
(45:56):
and that's the idea that the Earth is run, or
at least part of the Earth is run by a
faction of people who have a secret religion. Here's the thing,
As crazy as it might sound, it is possible to
have a secret religion, and really when we see most
(46:16):
of that. It's just it's religion where outsiders are not
allowed to see certain stuff, but they'll you'll you'll know
that there is a religion that you're not part of.
For something to be so secret that people don't even
know about it, that's kind of tough. And for a long,
long long time it was very, very skeptical about this um,
(46:37):
but recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me
that it is possible for people at the top of
a social hierarchy to keep secrets that otherwise should never
have been kept in And I'm talking specifically about the
child abuse allegations largely seeming factual, uh, regarding Cyril Smith, um,
(47:06):
what's his name, Jimmy Saville, and these guys kept secrets
for decades and they had assistance from the government. And
if we just took out child abuse and put in Satanism, uh,
then the mechanism of keeping something like that secret still holds,
(47:26):
which is terrifying it right, So, just just as an
an anecdote here, I used to work at a country club,
a prominent country club in Atlanta, and I knew a
lot of the members names because I worked there, and
one of the things was you had to address people
(47:47):
by their names when they show up. One of the
only things you'll find if you go online and search
for this group or the members of this club is
an old web page that you have to have a member.
I d to log in and search it at all.
And I was trying to find, like, look up some
of these old members because I actually, uh somewhat became
(48:07):
friends with some of them, and you can't find their
names anywhere, some of these really prominent people. It just
makes me think, Oh, I don't know, man, if it's
that easy to hide yourself on the internet, ah, just
for that simple thing, like your information about being a
member of a country club. Privacy is one of the
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new elite privileges, you know what I mean. It's it's
increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. So I
can see how it's definitely at a premium. And I
guess what you and I are both saying then, is
that through different means, we have found that it is
possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that secret
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be a crime or whether that secret be some sort
of belief system. And that's to me, that's strange, um,
especially because you know, Matt, you and I work ardently
to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems, right, um,
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even in some cases belief systems that specifically say people
like you and I are very very bad. Yeah, but
enough about us. We hope that you enjoyed this podcast.
We would like to hear what you think. Are there
real devil worshipers? Are they multi generational and they spanning
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the globe working in secret to bring down humanity or
usher in a new dark age? And yeah, and if
there is a group like that, what exactly do you
think they worship? What back is it? Man? We'd love
to hear your ideas. And that's the end of this
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