November 8, 2022 • 69 mins
Like most other militaries of the time, the Nazi army conducted extensive classified research into all aspects of warfare, from rocketry to drugs, tank improvements and so on. They also delved into more exotic realms, and their endeavors remain a subject of enduring fascination in the modern age. Perhaps the most famous of these legendary experiments is something known as Die Glocke, or the Nazi Bell. But what is it supposed to be, exactly? What does it do? And, if it is real, where did it end up? They don’t want you to read our book.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fellow conspiracy realist. If you are tuning into this show,
then you are well aware that Germany's Nazi Party during
World War Two got up to a lot of horrible stuff,
and they also got up to a lot of creepy,
weird things. There are still questions about how far the
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Nazi scientists got into certain aspects of technology, rocketry, material science, aircraft, aerodynamics.
There is something that has always captivated uh, you, Matt
and me as well about this stuff, like about how
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much of it may be true? You know, where's that
grain of truth amid all these conspiracy theories and we
know that some of it was real, Like Operation paper
Clip is a project by the US government to poach
Nazi scientists at the close of World War Two. Nobody
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likes to talk about it, but Nazi scientists are a
big factor in the US is successful space missions, which
is insane. But that's oh man, I love this classic episode.
This is actually one of my favorites. Man, Yeah, it's great,
So let's jump right in. This is the legend of
Dieglock or the Bell. Oh is that a spoiler alert?
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And maybe it is. I can't remember how we tackle
it in this episode, but it's a legendary thing. Maybe
it happened, maybe it didn't. Let's explore it. From UFOs
to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with
unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the
stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome back
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to the show. My name is Matt, my name is
doled Guten tug get it. Guys. They call me ben
your you that makes this stuff they don't want you
to know. And today we're going to uh not quite
flip the script, but let's say tilted perpendicularly a perpendicular level,
uh slightly to the right or left or whatever, it
doesn't matter. It's an audio show. We're going to start
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with a listeners suggestion rather than end with our uh
typical shout out corner, which will probably still do that too,
because we all think it's a lot of fun. We
are pursuing a topic that people around the world have
asked us to cover for several years. So we want
to thank Aaron J. Carl L and Avner b Uh.
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Those are from two thousand sixteen, two thousand fifteen, and
two thousand and fourteen, respectively. Yeah, and we also have
our Australian mate Stefan who wrote to us about this
stuff was Steve Herkle's suave alter ego. Yes, precisely from Australia.
Well know, in fact did move to Australia and became
a fan of our show. It might be a different
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stuff on. But you know, we'll have to wait for
him to write back to let us know. Yeah, it's uh,
it takes a long time to get a letter from Melbourne. Yes, Brisbane, Melbourne.
My father's name was Melbourne, melt Melvine, got it, got it?
Anyone that knows the pops and the subject of these
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emails fascinated us, and hopefully we'll fascinate or at least
interest many of you out there in podcast Intangible Audio Land.
We were inspired last week when we received the note
from Stefan. Regardless of whether or not his past intersect
with family matters, he raised a good point and he said, hey,
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what about the Nazi bell. But man, before we do that,
we have to mention vault number seven, right, Yeah, what's
vault number seven? You guys? Oh, Wiki leaks they're added again.
They've released a whole treasure trove of information on the
CIA and their hacking techniques, rascals over at Wiki leaks
another one of the largest leaks in the history of leaks.
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And there's apparently another person that the media is referring
to as the next Snowden, an insider that had all
of these documents and leaked them all. And Snowden has
weighed in and believes these documents to be legitimate. But
guess what, that's not what we're talking about today. That's
just a mention of what's happening in the news, in
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the news. In the news. We just talked about something
that was in the news, and so you can expect
perhaps an episode from us more in depth exploration of
the recent CIA revelations. For now, let's go back to
those forties. Yeah, wait a minute, Wait a minute, we're
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not talking about Nazis again, are we. You did not
see it coming, huh? All right, So Nazis are a
source of endless speculation in the world of alternative history
and fringe research. Right when the past, we have explored
the Nazi search for Shangra law, the weird beliefs of
Zambev in the occult, and even the idea that they
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searched for a subterranean civilization that was crazy. Oh yeah,
when they went to Antarctica and look look for maybe
reptilians maybe not probably not right, or maybe some sort
of hyperborean elder civilization that was inexplicably aryan. Uh. It
is a fact, by the way, that they did land
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in a place and wanted to call it New Schwabia. However,
the extent of any permanent settlement there, that's where you
get into the fringe stuff. The point is we have
all these different strange things about the Nazi Party and
the events leading up to and after World War two. Uh,
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and we've explored a lot of it in the past.
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We could we could give you the recipe, we like,
morally support you, we will aid in a bet. So
today we're looking at one of the most popular legends
from the infamous Nazi regime. My theory is there, and
they have their fingers in so many different weird things
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because they just didn't have any scruples. They were just like, hey,
we'll try it all whatever. And this time we're talking
about a weapon, a sort of secret technology that allegedly
not only surpassed all of the weaponry of the Allies
at the time, but likely remains unsurpassed this day. Um.
It's commonly referred to as di Gluca or the Nazi
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bell Um. To the Germans, it was called simply the Underwafa.
Now there are three people out there going. But you guys,
you talked about Nazi weapons at some point, ha ha ha.
We talked about the Horton h O and a bunch
of their rocket weaponry and some of the weird weapons.
That's right in the very first podcast. Huh, yes, that
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is correct one of them. But we never got into
in depth about this wounder wach, this very special one.
You may be aware of that Oasis song Wonderwaffa Um,
but this is not that wonder and after awful of
your my bunda. Yeah, the this strange thing about these
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funder is all right, what does that mean for the
non jury speakers? Uh, it is a wonder weapon. It's
something that would have had the potential to shift the
course of conflict in this serious and possibly final way.
And it's nuclear weapon. Yeah yeah, yeah, that would qualify.
And it's important to understand that a lot of these
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super weapons were real, genuine things. And it's also important
to note we found this kind of funny and the
research that in German sometimes calling something a Vanderwaffa is
like a solution to all sorts of problems, an illusory panacea. Whoa,
this will fix a final solution. Ouch. I mean I
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was thinking more along the lines of snake oil. Okay, okay,
I say, someone's a snake oil salesman. And it turns
out that we know a whole lot about these programs
because as the war drew to a close, the Allied
forces overran Germany and captured not only all of their
as much of their technology as possible in the forms
of operational and prototype designs, but also a lot of
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documentation pertaining to those experiments and plans, unless we forget
stealing or taking the scientists. Yes, an operation paper Clip
where you know, easily plus scientists were taken by the
US government given new identities. It started NASA, Yeah, and
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started NASA. So really that the as we talked about
in previous episodes, in some ways, uh, the the Nazi
technology powered the space race. Well, actually, in pretty much
conclusive ways, Nazi technology power the space race or experimentation there.
And the closest things to Nazi UFOs that have been
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proven to exist are pretty much US space shuttles or satellites,
you know, and that's that's terrifying, but you know that's
part of the way that technological progress works. Technology the
best rises to the top, and then the conquerors take
that best party. And technology is a moral Technology does
not favor one side of an ideology or another. True,
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even ever since the days of fire and the wheel
wheels just roll and fire just burns, man, yep. And
if you find a way to conquer those people that
had the fire in the wheels, well then guess what
you've got fire and wheels. Well, you got that Bob
Dylan song, this wheels on fire, rolling down the road
that is litterally. That is an image of destruction. Right there,
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you got a disembodied wheel. Where's the car? No one
knows and it's on fire and it's rolling down the
road on its own. So there's like a time sensitive
decision to figure that out, you know what. I think
this was a very good analysis of Bob dylan lyrics. No,
just imagining, Uh, I'm imagining seeing that image when you're
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unaware of what either a wheel or fire are as inventions.
Oh yeah, that would be an incredible every tear that
I think that must be what Dylan had in mind,
because those are the two biggest creations of man. We
bind in a very stark visual in the Old Testament,
some of the descriptions of divine visitations are like wheels
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of fire. So right is that where you're going with it?
And it ties into the idea of the mythology behind
you know, the cultural filters we used to explain things
we don't understand, which happens today. There are some things
that we don't understand about aside from the horrific actions
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of the National Socialist Party. Um, there's some things that
are going to remain mysterious forever because when it was
clear what uh, when it was clear what the outcome
of the war would largely be a lot of a
lot of documents and paperwork were destroyed by Nazis because
they knew that the capture capture was becoming imminent. It
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was the fall of the party. But like the sanide
pills for the documents and for the other stuff, Yeah,
like this primarily the stuff that they burned primarily regarded
activities that we're going to be prosecuted as war crimes,
like human experimentation. It's not a war crime to try
to build a better tank, no, but it's a war
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crime to try to kill a huge population of people
or to experiment on them or to experim in certain
ways that causes harm just outright. So we do know,
we do have some examples of these different wonder weapons,
pretty impressive stuff. There were aircraft carriers, sweet, you know,
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the Germany was working on some an aircraft carriers like
the graph Zeppelin. Weighed over thirty three thousand tons. Uh. Yeah,
it's able to carry forty two aircraft and it was
you know, it was scrapped. Uh. As we go through
these wonder weapons, keep a list and see if you
can identify some common themes here. Uh. Then there was
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a German aircraft carrier one in would have been faster,
larger than almost any of the other ships. This was
actually conversion. It was an existing watercraft, but they scrapped
that again due to design issues. Turns out building aircraft
carriers is tough, Yeah, and that's why when they did
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actually come along and were utilized effectively, they ruled the
seas right and u currently still do until the rise
of asymmetrical warfare. China is doing some of probably the
most impressive research on that as we speak. And then
they attempted to build battleships that would be super weapons
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and perhaps when The most famous of the VANDERWAFA is
the V program the Rockets. Yeah. This program consisted of
a particular group of long range artillery weapons that were
designed for strategic bombing during w W two UM particularly
terror bombing or aerial raids, like the kinds of images
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you get of an air raid, siren planes coming in
in London and just bombs falling everywhere, and it's literally
designed to keep the population terrified and cowering. There are
a lot of versions of the V as well, that
you can find. I would say, just go to Wikipedia
if you want to, because you can click through and
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see all the different images of them, and you'll eventually
get to or you'll probably start at the V two rocket.
That's the most well known. It's the breakout single exactly,
but it went through all kinds of different like attempts,
because you're literally trying to build a thing that can
use fire to propel itself across you know, a thousand,
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hundreds at least of miles, sometimes thousands of miles and
uh explode on something with accuracy. The precursor to I
C B M. Right. So yeah, the the V one
was just called a flying bomb, and the V two
is the one that really, as as Null mentioned, really
brought the terror to London into other areas of conflict.
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But that wasn't just that this was a land air
and seething. Can't forget the submarines. Both tell me about those, man,
I remember hearing about them in school. How they were
just so versatile and nimble, um and and incredibly important
strategically for the U boats were incredibly nailed. That U
boats were a crucial piece of the of the German
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offensive and of the defensive lines because they could if
everything worked out as it was supposed to write in theory,
they could neutralize the threat or do what's called um
area denial for boats that would travel above water. Of course,
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armored vehicles, gigantic tanks, huge tanks. We're talking to banks
with crews of forty people in one tank. That's too many.
Railway gun Yeah, yes, I think I think it is too.
It's just like the panzers. Yeah, yep, zoop panzers. Some
of those really big ones never made it to a
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construction phase. They were just prototypes or they were scrapped later.
Because the entire time that the party is or the
scientists are working on these astonishing breakthroughs in technology, the
clock is ticking and the tide is turning against them.
So they're spontaneously becoming more and more of a panic
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mode because the management. I'm sure anyone who has a
job is familiar with management coming down hard on you. Uh.
Management is telling them, you know, how long do you
think this will take? Somebody says, I guess in a
German acts in ten years, and they are cool, You've
got three weeks. Okay, what are you gonna do? And
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at that point though, it all becomes just the fool's
Errand you know, you sometimes when you get managers like
that that are going into panic mode, they know, damn well,
these are not realistic goals, but they're gonna try to
terrify their underlings to the point where they give them something,
right exactly, I just want to get to one of
these monster, huge tanks because it's awesome. Can I say
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real quick, I've got to say this word. I love
these amazing German compound words, the panzer tanks. The full
Longhand version of that word is ponza camp wagon, which
means armored combat vehicle. I just I'm a huge fan
of these amazing compound upon compound German words. Camp Wagon
sounds like a station wagon you would get from Volkswagen.
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It does. And you know what you can also get
from there? A land cruiser. It's that's another one. It's
a there's one called the land cruiser. Peeved monster. It's
it's just a prototype, like an idea. Essentially, I don't
think anything ever really got created, but it would have
been so massive that it would have used these eight
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hundred um eight hundred millimeter shells, and if you look
at one of these shells and you look at a
human man who is probably five ten eleven standing there,
it's at least two or three it's too like two
point two of that person. Uh, when you look at
its height, it's a massive shell that would have caused
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crazy havoc if you ever were to fire this thing,
if it were ever built, right, And it sounds like
just from an engineering perspective, launching a projectile like that
such force would probably have a significant amount of damage
on the frame of the vehicle, right yeah, and probably
catastrophic effects to the surroundings of where the vehicle is placed. Well,
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don't put it in a good neighborhood. But but if
you can imagine this type of weapon, you can really
see a picture of I guess what the lead ship
wanted to have these massive super weapons placed all over
countries where you know, on I can imagine them protecting
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ships or something just sort sitting on the edge of
some giant cliff. Um. It's pretty terrifying of an alternate
future where that happened. Right. Well, you know, people could
argue that the world has more or less been in
a continual state of war just in regions, right and
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war between countries. Those things are still out there, maybe
not on that scale, but they're happening right and some
of it, some of the things that are just as
dangerous in their own way are global information collecting nets.
People didn't stop tinkering, you know, we brought up Operation
paper Clip before. One thing that's amazing, though, is I
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think a lot of a lot of people, at least
in the West, don't realize just how influential uh Nazi
era science was, or access science. If we count Unit
thirty one from Japan, in medicine, in rocketry, in uh
U boat design, you know, submarine design. They really did
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change the world. They built the first fixed wing plane.
I'm not trying to downplay the intelligence of the German
people and the ingenuity, because we do know they have
great technology. But I really do stand by, especially medically,
some of those advances came from having no scruples, willing
to do whatever it took. The vast majority of them.
I completely agree. And and it's you know, there's this
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question that we have asked ourselves before, you know, like
what would you do if you are what would you
do if you're a military official. Let's say you're the
surgeon general for some reason, it's very dark time to
be surgeon general. And you say, you know, you say, well,
we have all these we have all these files. This
is the best, most thorough and current research of what
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happens to people at high atmospheric pressure. Because they took
civilians and put them in there and repeated the experiment
until they like, as the people exploded, do we is
it exploiting that UM, that horrific occurrence, that horror movie
level stuff to use it, or is it in some
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ways trying to make some sort of good out of
the situation, you know, And honestly, whatever ladies and gentlemen,
whatever your call would have been at that time, the
fact of the matter is that not just the US,
but also Russia also the other allied powers took the
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research and used it. You know, UM had tremendous influence
on the Air Force. But you're you're absolutely right, like,
what what is what is the ethical line when you're
trying to behave ethically But the best information you will
ever run into in your career comes from people who
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are ethically speaking, like not people sub human, completely monstrous
or thought that were better than human. But we run
into that it pops up. I kind of say, you
take that, you take it, you run with it, you
make it, you make it right, you make it good.
You honor the memory of those people that suffered in
order to achieve these innovations by making it better and
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using it to ensure the stuff like that never happens again.
That's just me. I absolutely agree. And I think if
we had Matt and I had discussed this before and
came to the same conclusion. I mean, you can't bring
those people back, but you can save other people. You
also can't unknow that science. Well yeah, and it feels like, yeah,
that's so true. It feels like if you put lock
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it away in a grimoire somewhere, all that information, or
you burn it and it is ever to be found again,
someone else is going to come along, maybe someone bad
and performed the same experimentation to find out the same
answers that were gained there. God, that's so messed up.
History is a messed up place and we are going
through at this point. So the Nazis also had gliders, Yes, yeah,
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that in addition to atrocities, right, uh, first fixed wing gliders. Matt,
you mentioned the Horton ho. This was something that would
have absolutely looked like some kind of delta wing UFO
if you had seen it flying. Consequently, it was the
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inspiration for the doctor's Who's book Horton here's an a
h O. Yes, yeah, which has been miss Uh. You
know a lot of people got that one wrong. That
would have been a much scary book, wouldn't it. Yeah?
I would, Yeah, I read it. I would read it. Uh. Yeah.
So we know that there were there were these advances,
these tremendous advances or attempts with aircraft and gliders as well,
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including stuff that would be in very very high orbit.
But one of the craziest ones, while we're going through this, uh,
this hall of fame and infamy, one of the craziest
ones was the idea of something called a sun gun.
I know where a family shows so I shoot you.
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Not this was a real thing. A group of German
scientists that the German Army Artillery proving grounds at Hiller
Slipen began conceiving a super weapon that could use the
Sun's energy, that could weaponize solar energy, which is of course,
uh for fans of Planet Earth or life for those documentaries,
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of course, it is the engine that powers pretty much
every living thing or every every reaction on the planet
except for that one naturally occurring uh nuclear how our plans? Right,
So this sun gun, the idea is that would be
part of a space station that's like five thousand miles
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above Earth. And the scientists thought that if they got
a huge reflector, made a metallic sodium that was three
and a half square miles wide, they could produce enough
focused heat to how how James bond Villain is to
boil an ocean, to burn a city? Just what concentrated
SunPower melt the face? Oh, every face, every face. I've
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seen a million faces and I melted them all with
my sun gun. Is that it's an interest the reference
now it's a Bono reference. The references today, you're just
Jovi with the sun gun. I think the point that's what. Yeah,
that's like a lot of people don't know that. But
bon Jovi did come out of the sun gun research,
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you know, And it's one of those ethical decisions where
the US government said, it's like, do we deprive the
population at large from this rock or you know, what
do we do? So many innocent people died to uh
to you know, produce this, uh this album Powerhouse of Rock.
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So um, I'm going back and I'm wondering, did everybody
have the same revelation of the power you can wield
in your hand with a magnifying glass when the sun
is out? Like, did you guys discover that? Where you
told that? Because this whoever you know the scientists are
they thought about that and then they imagined, well, what
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if God had a magnifying glass and we were God?
Such a German question, right, I don't. I don't know.
That's so messed up, just imagining that I can kill
these ants with my magnifying glass, or I can light
this leaf on fire with my magnifying glass. Well what
if we did it to the pole planet? Yeah, big
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old magnifying glass. Yeah, I would. Um. Always I thought
that the only ethical human experimentation is self experimentation. I
have had ups and downs in that regard, but I
did the thing on myself. Yeah, I just see how
long it would take? Whoa, Yeah? Did you get a scar? Um?
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I got some, I got some smoke. I felt really cool.
It was worth it. I don't know why that I
keep thinking of this, Probably because I watched it last
night Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. That feels like a
Nazi weapon. Wait wait the movie, yes, the movie, the
Shrinking Gun. Even the look of it, it's got this
like kind of cyberpunk letting out cyberpunk, like steampunk, kind
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of weird, like the coils and exposed metal. It seems
like something the Nazis would have been hip too. You know. Yeah,
that is a great movie, all of the iterations of it.
I've I think I enjoyed all of them. Yeah. Wait,
there's more than two, aren't there. Honey, we shrunk ourselves. Honey,
we shrunk the Kids. Kids was first? Honey shrunk No
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in particular, I guess I remember. The second one was Honey,
I blew up the baby right there. At least every
one wasn't straight to video Honey, we shrunk the budget. Honey,
I don't remember my childhood. Um. So, out of all
of these proven uh proven weapons and pieces of technology
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like the hord Hure oh or the V two Rockets,
or of the Propaganda trilogy, the Propaganda Dynasty known as
Honey I Shrunk the Kids or prototype super weapons UH
one in particular, gets by far the most attention from
fringe theorists around the world and we will dive into
the story behind that after award from our sponsors, and
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it now begins the legend of the nazill In two
thousand of Polish author named Igor Wittkowski published a book
called Prauda oh Wounder Waffle or the Truth about the
Wonder Weapon. And guess what, I didn't pronounce that correctly.
This was reprinted in German as die away at hobb
not even going to try that it was reprinted in German.
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So this is the first public printed mention of what
this guy calls the Nazi Bell. And here is what
he claims. While conducting some research, he happened upon these
transcripts from the interrogation of a Nazi s S officer
named Jacob Sporenberg. And inside this transcript he found the
first mention of this thing that was called the bell,
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although it was in German and I can't do it correctly,
so dick luck. So he did all this during his
time as SS and police leader of Lublin in the
General Government of Occupied Poland. In August of nine then
he was captured after a relocation in Norway and was
extensively questioned. Um sporn R was extradited to Poland in
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October of nine and then sentenced to death by a
Polish court in Warsaw in nineteen fifty The sentence was
carried out on December six of nineteen fifty two, when
he was executed by hanging. Um. Then, according to what Kowski,
he was shown these allegedly classified transcripts in August by
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an unnamed Polish intelligence contact who said he had access
to Polish government documents regarding Nazi secret weapons. So what
Kowski maintains that he was only allowed to transcribe the
document and was not actually allowed to make any copies
of no photos, no primary source documentation. Uh. And the
legend was popularized by an author named Nick Cook, who
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used Witkowski stories in his own book on zero point Energy.
So there's a lot to unpack here, right. Uh. This
guy was allegedly shown these documents, shown these transcripts, and
it seems like that might be a big red light
that's flashing and tells you, Okay, he's shown these things,
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but he can't document them whatsoever. Um. Okay. It makes
you wonder about the intentions, if it's true, the intentions
of the person that showed it to him, and you know,
it also makes you wonder is this real? Right? So yeah,
there's a there's a weak spot in the argument there.
The first mention of this bell, whatever it might be, uh,
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doesn't doesn't arrive until decades after the war, right, right,
So when when would this well, even if we just
say that the author says it happened in he was
shown these things. The book comes out in two thousands,
so it depends on, you know, how much of this
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person's word we want to take for sac saint fact,
we do know that there were Nazi secret weapons because
Allied powers found a lot of them. We do know
that in some classified situations are dealing with compartment and
compartmentalized information as they will call it in the US,
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that there are you know, situations where people are not
allowed to take photographic evidence or two be provided copies.
I mean, this is a country where the Supreme Court,
which has immense power, he doesn't ever doesn't get films.
You know, there are no cameras in the courtroom when
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the ring braiths are in session. But there's nine of
them or you know there there will be there will
be there nine spots. So they're looking for the next
ring bearer. But but also an important detail here is
that Spornberg is dead. There's no record of him saying
anything about this the other time, and there's no way
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with current technology that we can ask him. Um, so,
what the heck is this thing? It wasn't even around
and even though it was in two thousand, wasn't really
around in English much until the author Nick Cook made
a book looking into people, inventors, entrepreneurs who felt like
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they had discovered of various forms of alternate energy, right,
zero point energy, anti gravity, stuff like that, all that jazz,
all that smooth jazz, something that will change the game, right?
So what? What the heck? What in Sam Hill? What
in Sweet Sninky Pete? Is this Nazi bell thing? Allegedly
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it was an experiment carried out by third Riich scientists
working for the s S in a secret German facility
known as Dead Ice or the Giants. Uh. It's in
the once has Lost My and was close to the
Czech border. Do you think he's the same king like
from the Christmas song Good King Wincho Slaus? Was that
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his his mind, his personal mind the very same? Unless
I mean, like, at least at a logically speaking who
knew he was a Nazi sympathizer. I feel like it's
implied in the song. I'm gonna have to revisit that text.
I did say that without having read the lyrics of
I Apologize to the King, Good King when Charles last
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looked down on the Feast of Steve Um. I honestly
have no idea what you're talking about. It it's a
nor moonlay round about deep and Chrispundi panzas, what what
is this? It's a Christmas song? Yeah? What Christmas is
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a holiday typically celebrated at the end of the Gregorian
year and invented by the Nazis. Well, and that's a
totally different thing. To a side note, if we have time,
I don't want it's take up too much time. But
side note, Uh, the Nazi Party did have a group
of like an ideological group that was trying to supplant
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Christian celebrations with a more what they felt was traditionally
Germanic based mythos and celebration. Oh, we've got to look
into that. I think we did in the past, right
do we talked about that? And I get our videos
in our audio mixed up sometimes, so we'll have to
look at it, point being, and you can find it's
(35:33):
an amazing story. But point being, um, yes, the this bell,
what the heck is it? What in good King Winceslaus
is going on here? Well, we have to look at
a guy called General Dr Hans Friedrick Carl Franz Kammeler Kammler,
who oversaw the V two rocket programs. He was born
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in nineteen o one. By the end of the Second
World War he was almost as powerful as s s
S Chief Heinrich Hemmler Uh and the Armaments Minister who
is Albert Spear, had access to the nazis most advanced technology,
including the V one and V two rockets, And these
things are some of the only those rockets are some
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of the only weapons that came out in enough time
to actually reign destruction. Right. The design didn't get rushed
into a point where it was non viable. But as
a lot of military historians tell you, it came down to,
you know, a matter of a couple of years or months.
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If if this technology, if more of this technology rolled out,
the war could have ended differently. This was the guy
in charge of a lot of that, this General Kambler. Yes, yes,
and in addition to designing and supervising secret weapons, because
he was also an engineer, he also proved Dan designs
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crematoriums in Auschwitz, and he was associated with some of
the darkest, most disturbing things. So pretty broad skill set
of evil. Yeah, right, he's a utility evil player. But his, uh,
but his the primary thing he was known for at
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the time was supervising these secret weapon programs. And this,
this German facility, in this mind was a real thing. Right.
The bell, the bell? Right, the bell is the question
the maddening tin tin abulation of hearsay and rumor in
the telephone game we call history. Here's what with Kowski,
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as told by Cook, says the bell appears to be. Says,
it's made out of a hard, heavy metal, approximately nine
ft wide twelve to fifteen ft high, and it's similar
in shape to that of a large church bell or handbell.
So you know, it's got a it's got a bigger
lip or rim at the bottom, and then it tapers
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up to a to the rounded, rounded top the nipple,
which is the technical term, uh, you know. And there
are various kinds of bells, so you know, they're like
Carillian bells, which are tubular. We won't. We don't want
to mislead you. Think about the Liberty bell. Think about
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big old steel bell. Yeah, huge heavy contraptions. So it
looks like that. And according to Wakowski or Cook's account
of interview in Wakowski, this device had two counter rotating cylinders,
so one would be or they both be filled with
a mercury like substance which was violet in color. And
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it was code named ZIOM five to five with that
zerom with an X, and it was stored in a small,
thin uh flask that was about a meter high and
encased in lead. So they also said that there were
additional substances used in the experiments, referred to as light metal,
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and they included things like thorium and beryllium peroxides. That's
a quote. Wow, So reactive things, things that thank could
perhaps being nuclear powered if you use them in a
certain way. Yes, yeah, exactly, so, Wikowski says to Cook.
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He says this bell, when they activated it, it also
needed a tremendous amount of power. He says that when
they activated it had what he called an effect zone
that extended fo si sixty um. And that seems like
an arbitrary measurement and feet. But that's because you know
this is this is in Europe and in every other
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part of the world except for mean Mahr and the
US and I think Namibia. Everybody else uses the metrics system.
So we set a hundred fifty two. So what would
happen when this effect zone was, you know, in full
effect when it was charged up cooking with zero five
(40:14):
to five. Well, allegedly, if you're an animal and you
have cells of an animal, blood of an animal, uh,
it would form into crystals and uh like blood would
turn into gel and separate, while plants would just turn
into this greasy I guess, a grease like substance, something
(40:34):
that just looks nasty, kind of like control to um
when they would eat the green goo uh and they
turned into plants and then they would disintegrate into a
puddle of greenish snot goo. That's pretty good, yeah, or
like when people would have a control too, right yeah, yeah,
I actually have it on my computer now turned out. Yeah,
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it's kind of like Indiana Jones when they look at
the Arc of the Covenant, right. Yeah. I think Troll
two is probably if we're aiming for accuracy and your
own references, and TROLT is probably better because they do
end up being goo at the end of the troll process.
Here's one of the worst parts about testing a weapon
like this, when there's an effect zone and you have
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to manipulate the stuff and turn it on and make adjustments.
Well sometimes, and in this case, according to this gentleman,
the scientists become victims. There are five of the seven
original scientists allegedly died over the course of testing this thing.
And now we get to some of the architecture here.
So Wakowski states that there are the ruins near the winces.
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Last mind, there are ruins of a concrete framework and
there's one thing called the hinge. This looks like a
frame with hooks attached that make people think it was
the spot to test a UM a vehicle of some
sort or some kind of engine, something that had propellant abilities.
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And it's called the hinge because it's reminiscent, well very
slightly reminiscent to Stonehenge, because it is a constructed and
obviously constructed thing of stone um but they're standing rocks
and it is right next to a former secret underground
research facility made by the Nazi parties made by a
(42:28):
state actor at the time, which was also made using
slave labor. I feel like we have to point that out.
If you are in the vicinity and you would like
to check this out and maybe send your old pals
conspiracy stuff, uh some photographic evidence while you, of course
avoid any possible field effects. You can find the You
(42:54):
can find the mine with the coordinates that I will
to you now. It's uh fifty degrees uh thirty seven
forty three north and sixteen degrees east. Dare you have it?
So people who believe in this Nazi bell idea, I
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believe that they see this structure as evidence that there
was actual experimentation with maybe some sort of anti gravity propulsion,
maybe some sort of other advanced application of physics that
we perhaps don't yet understand. The anti gravity thing is
what I've heard most, or the zero point energy idea
(43:38):
that this thing, once you turned it on, it started
generating its own power. It took a lot of energy
to turn it on, but once it's on, it's like, hey,
we're gonna run forever. Yeah, it's very It's like Mick
Jagger and start me up. How However, for people who
think this is not true. That structure itself is just
another ruin. And they say, well, if it looks like anything,
(44:00):
it looks like a cooling tower. Right. So the really
crazy part what what was it supposed to do? We've
mentioned it being like thought of as a weapon, We've
mentioned it being thought of as a vehicle, but what
what gives? What's the skinny? Can we cliff hang here
for a second? Sponsor brig Well, as a lot of
(44:31):
these reports are, we are pretty much entering the realm
of wild speculation. Uh, if I didn't have a shoulder injury,
I would be gesticulating wildly. Um So everything after the
original claim by Wikowski itself is completely unsupported. Um It
delves into pretty arbitrary or at least unproven territory. But
(44:52):
that has never stopped us on this show, so let
us sally forth. For example, in the book Hitler's Suppressed
and Still Secret Weapons, science and technology, author Henry Stevens
concludes that the violet mercury like substance described by Witkowski
could only be red mercury because normal mercury quote has
(45:13):
no fluid compounds according to conventional wisdom. So what what is?
What is red mercury. Ben, I'm so glad you asked
the stuff that's in the thermometers, right, Well, that's what
I thought about too initially. That's that that's that's mercury.
And the difference between those mercuries is the mercury and
your thermometers is real. It's a it's a real proven thing.
(45:35):
Red mercury, at least at this point is a hoax substance.
And you can tell in some ways because the author Stevens,
his source for this claim is, of course, as an
all said, conventional wisdom. Right. Uh, many many people have
had worse things happen because of their conventional wisdom. What's
(45:56):
that old saying about common sense being the rarest thing there.
There was an interesting article that talks a little bit
about red mercury because for a while there's a little
bit of intrigue in here. Okay, So for a while
there there was this idea that separatist groups or terrorist
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groups or militias around the world would be able to
get their hands on a substance that they called red mercury.
And I thought it was very, very dangerous. And it
turned out that there's pretty convincing evidence whomever was making
this Red Mercury claim was a state intelligence agency, a
(46:40):
state actor, um, possibly when Uncle Sam's boys who was
was doing like a sting operation on these people. So
it had all these rumors about its putency, how dangerous
and rare it was, how it could create the equivalent
of a nuclear bomb blast. Yeah, because it's it's an explosive, right,
(47:03):
non non exploding explosive, So one that's safe to handle,
but then we'll explode when I guess activated. And I
love the idea of a non exploding explosive. It just
seems like a like a gag gift. Ude, I wanted
an explosive that actually explodes. We got you. Well, that's
(47:26):
like that's like a that's like a terrorist break. But
in this case, it's it's almost the equivalent of a
nuclear explosion if you had enough of this stuff, at
least according to the legends, if we're real. But it's
almost like yellow Cake is something I remember hearing about
back in the day and not knowing at all what
(47:46):
it was and just having crazy ideas because I hadn't
done any research on what yellow cake was. Um, I
feel like you hear something like Red Mercury. I don't know,
maybe the same thing applies. You think, oh, it must
be real. Yeah. That's part of the clever cleverness behind
those kinds of manipulative things is you have this idea
(48:07):
of of two things that you you understand conceptually. I
know what mercury is, I'm aware of the color red,
and you put them together and then it seems somehow
still understandable because they're not contradictory. Right, So it's it's
an understandable but distressing thing at this point. And we're
being completely fair at this point. There is no universally
(48:28):
accepted proof of something called red mercury. That is the
most fair we can be about it. But let us
not stop there, because Steven's further allegance that there is
a concave mirror. Um Steven, Okay, here, here's how he
says it. He relays an anecdote from a guy who
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when he was thirteen in nine in the nineteen sixties,
the scientists told him about a divide ice that had
a concave mirror on the top of it, and the
description of it matched in the author's opinion, or maybe
in the person's interviewings opinion, it matched the description of
the bell, and that this concave mirror provided the ability
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to see quote images from the past during its operation.
And this line of thought led other authors to claim
the bell is some sort of time traveling technology or
time viewing device, kind of like the Palanteer and Lord
of the Rings, you know, the Deadly Crystal Ball. I'm
getting images of Contact, the movie Contact, where there's this
(49:38):
device that spins really fast, and then you can drop
something through it, and it can time travel through time,
I guess, or in some way I see yeah, because
they say only eight minutes past. Yeah. Well yeah, so
I'm imagining the bell being these two spinning things and
then maybe you can even drop something through it, or
maybe the person inside of it is time traveling if
you can climb in it. Well, I'm immensely glad that
(50:03):
you mentioned UFOs, matt because or aliens or extraterrestrials, because
if you happen to check out things on the Discovery
Network or History Channel there uh infamous love to hate It,
Hate to Love it? Uh program Ancient Aliens, You'll see
that the Nazi Bell is associated with UFOs in those things,
(50:26):
and we'll we'll get to that in just a second
and it all really goes back to the idea of
where this thing ended up. Right, So we've got Kamler
disappears after the war. People say he commits suicide and
that's the official story. Well, what really happened is he
disappeared and the world's going to heck in a handbasket
(50:48):
for Germany, so they have to get rid of this technology, right,
And obviously no one found a bell and went public
with it. So according to people who believe in its existence,
this either ended up in South America. And that's related
to a lot of other fringe theories, uh, and some
fringe facts that we are we are already aware of.
You probably have heard this a million times if you
(51:10):
check out our if you enjoy our show, And that
is the idea of Nazis escaping World War two through
the Vatican at times Vatican sponsored ratlines and living out
and in some isolated cases, living their entire natural lives
out um punishment free in areas of South America. So
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people believe that the bell was a real thing that
hasn't been found. I think that Kamler brought it with
him or somehow sent it to South America where it resides.
Just imagine folks in the jungle today, stay away from
bells in the woods, regardless of what size they are.
Just in general, if it's not your bell, don't touch it.
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Or it ended up somewhere else. What if it ended
up in Kentucky, y'all, Yes, Kentucky, the logical logical destination.
There's this thing that we may have touched on before year.
I know we've touched on it in our video series
the Kecksburg Incidents. This is a UFO and unidentified flying
(52:18):
object that came down in nineteen sixty on December nine.
It was originally thought to be a meteorite or called
a meteor right, that's what it was thought to be. Well,
current researchers just believed that this was a g E
Mark two that's General Electric reentry vehicle that was launched
by the Air Force as a spy satellite, which very
(52:43):
plausible in my opinion. Unfortunately, this one just fell out
of orbit and then landed in Kentucky as it does. Yeah,
but originally, of course the Kentucky gets all the meteors
and fallen satellites. But there's a lot of hubble hubble
balu hubbal lou I don't know how to say, is
this a hubble joke. There's a hullabaloo hubble blue, hubble blue,
(53:05):
hubble balue, more like hillbilly blue. But of course there's
a lot of hullabaloo at the time when this when
the Kexperg incident occurred, because this thing was was bright
and it appeared to enter the atmosphere and then crash somewhere,
and people are like, oh man, it's a UFO, you
guys well, and technically it is. Yeah, it was a
(53:27):
flying saucer that crashed Holmes right, the homes as they
called each other. But be that as it may, pun
making prodigies though we may be u there is a
there is an unfunny and inescapable truth here, which is,
of course, the government most likely lied to these people.
The Kexberg incident is different because civilians got there first,
(53:51):
and we're able to look at this in detail. But imagine,
if you're your state power, right, you how have to
control what your enemies would see or what other people
would see. Right, So having a spy satellite fall first off,
very fortunate for it to fall in the contiguous US. Uh.
(54:15):
But you you have to get that out because you
don't want other people talking about something that you know
your rivals in the U S, SRS or what have
you will immediately recognize when they hear it described. So,
as far as we know now, it was probably the
satellite that Matt described. But at the time, you can't
blame people for thinking this is Tunguska event all over again,
(54:40):
or this is a piece of alien technology, because who
at that time would have seen a satellite up close.
And by the way, guys, we have an entire audio
episode on the Kecksburg incident if you're interested and you
want to learn more about it. We've described everything that
happened in more detail. Yeah, check it out. Go there
(55:00):
now when you're done with this, But be kind. Yes,
it was an earlier so it was awesome. This is
an awesome This is an awesome thing. This this idea
that there could be technology that's beyond what we even
possessed today in TV. And of course this is just
(55:22):
my opinion, and I don't know why you guys feel
about this, but I'm pretty convinced. I have certitude that
the technology that militaries have is at the minimum several
years in vance of the civilian stuff. Right. I think
it's compounded over time too. We never really knew the
top speed of the the yeah, right, until until it
(55:48):
was in museums, you know it was retired, or about
how it expanded its metal and stuff. It was designed
so it could expand because it got so hot and
went so fast. I just want a million tear a
bite thumb drive. When can I have that? I guess
when you start working for DARPA. Man, it's a million terabytes.
That's that's a name for that, right? Is that a
that's a lot hep heppa byte, a pepper bite. I
(56:11):
think they call it king size bagel bite. Someone right
to us conspiracy and how stuff works, and let us
know what a million terabyte drive would be. All right, man,
we'll get back on track. I apologize, No, I want
to know. Um. So we we have all these questions.
This this story leaves us with more questions. Some of
them are psychological, some of them are material, and some
(56:34):
of them are a little bit more philosophical. So it's
true that we will never have complete answers to many
questions surrounding World War Two. If you believe that a
lot of people disappeared in the Vietnam War first, you
are correct, but World War two had probably even more
people just wiped off the face, even more soldiers went missing. Right.
(56:56):
We know, for example, that this the thing that we
all grew up being taught with Hitler's skull by in
possession of the Soviet Party. I believe was not in
fact his skull. No, it was a female. But there
was a jaw, part of a jaw that was found
that was supposedly Hitler's that was identified by people at
the time, at least according to Skeptoid, which is what
(57:20):
I was reading. And this feeds into, you know, this
feeds into the propagation of theories of Hitler escaping and
living to be somewhere else, uh, living his natural life
out somewhere else, maybe South America. But if we can't
arrive immediately a good answers, we can ask increasingly well
informed questions. So the first question about this particular device
(57:42):
that sounds straight out of science fiction, right, uses either
an ancient and ancient power source descended from real in
the flying machines right, that appear in the Bajagavad Gita
and are rediscovered in in some sort of occult field
trip on the SIA Nazi Party um or some space
age thing that never been built on Earth before. If
(58:04):
either way, if it's so advanced, here's question number one,
why did the ACCESS lose the war? Yeah, if they
had UFOs, if if there were underground basis, if there
was revolutionary technology, then why did they lose the war? Well,
first of all, it melted all the scientists, so they
couldn't finish the thing. Five out of seven five well
(58:25):
probably maybe the good ones. The last two were like this,
associate scientists, it was like this first day. Yeah, that's
I mean, yeah, that's that's I think that's an answer.
Assuming the s S officer really did mention some sort
of device like the bell and an interrogation, how much
(58:46):
could he've actually known or understood. Sure, he was a
notoriously bad person and an effective um effective at what
he did in the military, but nothing he did had
a technical or scientific role in his entire career. So
it's possibly that you could have seen something and been mistaken.
It's possible that he could have never mentioned it. Yep,
(59:09):
it's possible there could have been some miscommunication and then Kammeler,
the guys in charge of the two rockets. In this case,
we do have an answer. Officially committed suicide at the
end of the war, Yet growing evidence indicates that the
US faked his death, gave him a brand new identity
in America, secretly using his knowledge of weaponry to advance
their own studies, which means that he was never prosecuted.
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And this is never prosecuted in a country that will
lock people up for life for non violent drug offenses,
right in a country that has three strike offenses, to
the point where you know, children can be locked up
for the better part of their natural life. So whatever
happened to that giant underground complex, well, it remains in
(59:56):
ruins today, unfinished, just kinda hanging out sitting there. And
get this, it's only one of the just multiple underground
storage facilities that the Nazis built. As thought there's some
magic alien crystals buried in that mess somewhere. Well, I okay,
it's possible that there's undiscovered stuff like that out there.
(01:00:16):
It's possible, like tiny, itty, tiny bit possible. But it's
been a long time, right, it's been decades of there
are governments that would have an interest in anything to
any kind of technology or magic that may exist out
there and you'd think that they would go through it,
but maybe not. And we do know that camera was
(01:00:38):
in charge of you know, eight or nine of these things.
They were dug out pretty extensively because it was one
of the only ways to protect uh secret, this sort
of secret experimental research from Allied bombers. Because it's not
like documents they could have shredded, you know, like when
the when when the jig was up and the Nazis
were being toppled and everyone was coming in rans sacking
(01:01:00):
their facilities, their bunkers, what have you. It would be
pretty difficult to cover their tracks on something this large. Yeah,
it's true, I mean, yeah, but it could be like
the tombs like King Tut's tombs are other tombs that
are yet to be discovered that just maybe we haven't
used the light our technology on it yet in these areas,
(01:01:21):
you know, to find the secret bunker parts inside the
secret bunker. You're all about that light are I mean,
it's one of the coolest technologies that exists right now,
I think. And so there we are concluding for now
our story of the Nazi Belt. We looked into this
extensively and without saying that it is without saying that
(01:01:46):
it's like our purposeful hoax or anything. The best we
can say is that we found evidence of very very
strange things like these underground facilities, right, and we know
that we know that had the timing worked out differently,
the technological advances that UH that Germany was researching at
the time could well have changed the tide of war,
(01:02:06):
including their research into nuclear weapons UH nuclear warheads specifically,
and they were much closer than a lot of a
lot of people might imagine. But we couldn't find anything
about the Nazi Bell before the year two thousand. If
you want to be you know, if you if you
want to entirely accept the claims made in the book,
(01:02:29):
we would like to hear what you think about the
Nazi Bell. If you'd like to learn more about this
from maybe a more conspiratorial angle, check out The Brotherhood
of the Bell, check out the other two books we
mentioned here, and most importantly, if you have if you
have some ideas or some insight that we haven't heard yet,
we'd love to hear from you. And speaking of listeners,
(01:02:51):
just like you, it's time for shot at Corners. Our
first shout out today comes from Alex h Alex says,
I'm listening to your Grimoire episode now, and I thought
I would send you something of insider perspective. Something of
an insider's perspective, he says. Um, I had Narnia and
(01:03:13):
Middle Earth as my bedtime stories from a young age.
Once I could read, I devoured the mythology and folklore
sections of my local library. I was raised Catholic, but
after my mother became very ill in my teenage years,
I had a crisis of faith and began to doubt
what I had been told. When I got to college,
I discovered weed, LSD and mushrooms. As you do, you know,
(01:03:36):
whatever whatever tickles your third eye, um, and it really
altered what I believed was possible. I read Grant Morrison's
comic book series The Invisibles, huge favorite of the show
around the same time, and was enthralled by its wild, experimental,
psycho sexual, spiritual, spy conspiracy story. That is a mouthful, Um,
(01:03:58):
try as I might, and I really it. After that,
I couldn't just put the genie back in the bottle.
So I tried Buddhism for a while, and yoga and
the whole famelieu that comes with that, but it never
completely squared with my worldview. Western occultism is the only
thing that has. Ultimately, what it comes down to is
the fact that belief is a choice, a belief in,
(01:04:19):
and the practice of magic works for me. It is anecdotal,
much of it is psychological, and obviously it stands against
the dominant paradigm of modern society. But the simple fact
is when I am practicing, I feel happy and engaged
with the world in a way that I do not
under normal circumstances. Severe depression has been a condition of
my existence for much of my life. Um, and if
(01:04:40):
the fix for that is something most people would consider crazy,
so be it. It's worth it to live in an
enchanted world. It's a beautiful sentiment. Um. Anyway, those are
my two cents. Love the podcast, you have the great work.
I couldn't agree more. Um. I'm not a religious person myself.
I begrudge no one that practices religion if they do
so respectfully of others, and it is thing that works
(01:05:00):
for them and keeps them on a path they find
to be you know, successful, uh, mentally and spiritually. It
doesn't work for me, but I see plenty of people
in my life that use religion as a tool to
kind of guide their lives in an ordered way, and
this is no different in my opinion. Thanks so much
(01:05:22):
for writing in like h that is a beautiful cinnamon.
I think we all agree here. Yeah, and we definitely
share your from childhood interest in the uh Folklore and
Mythology section at the library. So who's next? Our next
message comes from Kelsey says, Hey, guys, I'm a new
listener and I've been going back through the archive and
(01:05:45):
catching up on old episodes. I got to the cannibalism one,
and y'all said, you're wondering what your listeners were doing
while they were listening about such a dark subject. Well,
I'm an electrical engineer student doing research with semiconductors and
like listening to your podcasts while I catalog samples, read papers,
do homework, etcetera. Today, while I was cataloging and listening,
(01:06:07):
I got a surprise phone interview for a full time
position after I graduate. Congratulations Kelsey, that is a huge
accomplishment and such good news. It went well. But it's
hard to talk about green technology when you just heard
about someone's testicles being fed to them. Oh, cannibalism. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
(01:06:28):
sorry that apron it was uh sorry, Kelsey, but you
know we we are very glad that you got that
good news. Kelsey says, love the podcast PS. I'll let
you know if I get it. Well, we certainly hope
you do. I Kelsey, you first off, we're sending you
good vibes, unanimously and immensely and profoundly sending good vibes.
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I gotta say your your comments. Your comment regarding testicles
and cannibalism reminds me. I do a live show on
Facebook called snack Stuff where we try strange and weird
snacks from around the world. You could check it out
Tuesday's three pm Eastern Standard time every couple of weeks.
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And we also have a food show that's come out,
which I can say is good because I'm not part
of it. It's called food Stuff. It's about the science
and culture of everything wonderful, weird, delicious, and gusta tory.
But neither of those shows have covered cannibalism yet. Right
give a time, they'll run into topics. Have you eaten
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testicles yet? On Snacks Stuff? I have not. Volunteers. Oh,
and point of order, lest we not forget. The month
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try it, then hashtag it. Use the hashtag tripod when
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Whoever and so um today, I've got one. I'm a
big fan of the podcast How Did This Get Made?
With Paul Sheer and Jason man Zukas from the League,
and also Paul's hilarious wife June Diane Riffael, where they
basically just riff and rip on crappy movies. Yeah, they
all get together. They'll watch it separately or together and
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then just talk about it and it is hilarious. They're
part of the ear Wolf group of podcasts and some
of my favorite if I ever go on a trip,
I've got that show in comedy Bang Bang and several
others of theirs just rocking in my car. I can't
recommend it highly enough. Yeah, for sure, So get out
there and try a pod They did Hackers not long ago.
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Hackers is the best. That's yeah, that's the one where
June doesn't understand what the Little BB eight Toys mission
is She's like, what's its mission? And everyone just cracks
up because it's like, what's its mission? It's wonderful. Nobody knows.
You never know what's going to happen in the meantime.
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Fellow conspiracy realist. If you are tuning into this show,
then you are well aware that Germany's Nazi Party during
World War Two got up to a lot of horrible stuff,
and they also got up to a lot of creepy,
weird things. There are still questions about how far the
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Nazi scientists got into certain aspects of technology, rocketry, material science, aircraft, aerodynamics.
There is something that has always captivated uh, you, Matt
and me as well about this stuff, like about how
(00:46):
much of it may be true? You know, where's that
grain of truth amid all these conspiracy theories and we
know that some of it was real, Like Operation paper
Clip is a project by the US government to poach
Nazi scientists at the close of World War Two. Nobody
(01:08):
likes to talk about it, but Nazi scientists are a
big factor in the US is successful space missions, which
is insane. But that's oh man, I love this classic episode.
This is actually one of my favorites. Man, Yeah, it's great,
So let's jump right in. This is the legend of
Dieglock or the Bell. Oh is that a spoiler alert?
(01:32):
And maybe it is. I can't remember how we tackle
it in this episode, but it's a legendary thing. Maybe
it happened, maybe it didn't. Let's explore it. From UFOs
to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with
unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn the
stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, welcome back
(02:04):
to the show. My name is Matt, my name is
doled Guten tug get it. Guys. They call me ben
your you that makes this stuff they don't want you
to know. And today we're going to uh not quite
flip the script, but let's say tilted perpendicularly a perpendicular level,
uh slightly to the right or left or whatever, it
doesn't matter. It's an audio show. We're going to start
(02:27):
with a listeners suggestion rather than end with our uh
typical shout out corner, which will probably still do that too,
because we all think it's a lot of fun. We
are pursuing a topic that people around the world have
asked us to cover for several years. So we want
to thank Aaron J. Carl L and Avner b Uh.
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Those are from two thousand sixteen, two thousand fifteen, and
two thousand and fourteen, respectively. Yeah, and we also have
our Australian mate Stefan who wrote to us about this
stuff was Steve Herkle's suave alter ego. Yes, precisely from Australia.
Well know, in fact did move to Australia and became
a fan of our show. It might be a different
(03:11):
stuff on. But you know, we'll have to wait for
him to write back to let us know. Yeah, it's uh,
it takes a long time to get a letter from Melbourne. Yes, Brisbane, Melbourne.
My father's name was Melbourne, melt Melvine, got it, got it?
Anyone that knows the pops and the subject of these
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emails fascinated us, and hopefully we'll fascinate or at least
interest many of you out there in podcast Intangible Audio Land.
We were inspired last week when we received the note
from Stefan. Regardless of whether or not his past intersect
with family matters, he raised a good point and he said, hey,
(03:55):
what about the Nazi bell. But man, before we do that,
we have to mention vault number seven, right, Yeah, what's
vault number seven? You guys? Oh, Wiki leaks they're added again.
They've released a whole treasure trove of information on the
CIA and their hacking techniques, rascals over at Wiki leaks
another one of the largest leaks in the history of leaks.
(04:19):
And there's apparently another person that the media is referring
to as the next Snowden, an insider that had all
of these documents and leaked them all. And Snowden has
weighed in and believes these documents to be legitimate. But
guess what, that's not what we're talking about today. That's
just a mention of what's happening in the news, in
(04:42):
the news. In the news. We just talked about something
that was in the news, and so you can expect
perhaps an episode from us more in depth exploration of
the recent CIA revelations. For now, let's go back to
those forties. Yeah, wait a minute, Wait a minute, we're
(05:03):
not talking about Nazis again, are we. You did not
see it coming, huh? All right, So Nazis are a
source of endless speculation in the world of alternative history
and fringe research. Right when the past, we have explored
the Nazi search for Shangra law, the weird beliefs of
Zambev in the occult, and even the idea that they
(05:24):
searched for a subterranean civilization that was crazy. Oh yeah,
when they went to Antarctica and look look for maybe
reptilians maybe not probably not right, or maybe some sort
of hyperborean elder civilization that was inexplicably aryan. Uh. It
is a fact, by the way, that they did land
(05:46):
in a place and wanted to call it New Schwabia. However,
the extent of any permanent settlement there, that's where you
get into the fringe stuff. The point is we have
all these different strange things about the Nazi Party and
the events leading up to and after World War two. Uh,
(06:06):
and we've explored a lot of it in the past.
You can check it out shameless plug on our website
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We could we could give you the recipe, we like,
morally support you, we will aid in a bet. So
today we're looking at one of the most popular legends
from the infamous Nazi regime. My theory is there, and
they have their fingers in so many different weird things
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because they just didn't have any scruples. They were just like, hey,
we'll try it all whatever. And this time we're talking
about a weapon, a sort of secret technology that allegedly
not only surpassed all of the weaponry of the Allies
at the time, but likely remains unsurpassed this day. Um.
It's commonly referred to as di Gluca or the Nazi
(07:12):
bell Um. To the Germans, it was called simply the Underwafa.
Now there are three people out there going. But you guys,
you talked about Nazi weapons at some point, ha ha ha.
We talked about the Horton h O and a bunch
of their rocket weaponry and some of the weird weapons.
That's right in the very first podcast. Huh, yes, that
(07:35):
is correct one of them. But we never got into
in depth about this wounder wach, this very special one.
You may be aware of that Oasis song Wonderwaffa Um,
but this is not that wonder and after awful of
your my bunda. Yeah, the this strange thing about these
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funder is all right, what does that mean for the
non jury speakers? Uh, it is a wonder weapon. It's
something that would have had the potential to shift the
course of conflict in this serious and possibly final way.
And it's nuclear weapon. Yeah yeah, yeah, that would qualify.
And it's important to understand that a lot of these
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super weapons were real, genuine things. And it's also important
to note we found this kind of funny and the
research that in German sometimes calling something a Vanderwaffa is
like a solution to all sorts of problems, an illusory panacea. Whoa,
this will fix a final solution. Ouch. I mean I
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was thinking more along the lines of snake oil. Okay, okay,
I say, someone's a snake oil salesman. And it turns
out that we know a whole lot about these programs
because as the war drew to a close, the Allied
forces overran Germany and captured not only all of their
as much of their technology as possible in the forms
of operational and prototype designs, but also a lot of
(09:02):
documentation pertaining to those experiments and plans, unless we forget
stealing or taking the scientists. Yes, an operation paper Clip
where you know, easily plus scientists were taken by the
US government given new identities. It started NASA, Yeah, and
(09:23):
started NASA. So really that the as we talked about
in previous episodes, in some ways, uh, the the Nazi
technology powered the space race. Well, actually, in pretty much
conclusive ways, Nazi technology power the space race or experimentation there.
And the closest things to Nazi UFOs that have been
(09:48):
proven to exist are pretty much US space shuttles or satellites,
you know, and that's that's terrifying, but you know that's
part of the way that technological progress works. Technology the
best rises to the top, and then the conquerors take
that best party. And technology is a moral Technology does
not favor one side of an ideology or another. True,
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even ever since the days of fire and the wheel
wheels just roll and fire just burns, man, yep. And
if you find a way to conquer those people that
had the fire in the wheels, well then guess what
you've got fire and wheels. Well, you got that Bob
Dylan song, this wheels on fire, rolling down the road
that is litterally. That is an image of destruction. Right there,
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you got a disembodied wheel. Where's the car? No one
knows and it's on fire and it's rolling down the
road on its own. So there's like a time sensitive
decision to figure that out, you know what. I think
this was a very good analysis of Bob dylan lyrics. No,
just imagining, Uh, I'm imagining seeing that image when you're
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unaware of what either a wheel or fire are as inventions.
Oh yeah, that would be an incredible every tear that
I think that must be what Dylan had in mind,
because those are the two biggest creations of man. We
bind in a very stark visual in the Old Testament,
some of the descriptions of divine visitations are like wheels
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of fire. So right is that where you're going with it?
And it ties into the idea of the mythology behind
you know, the cultural filters we used to explain things
we don't understand, which happens today. There are some things
that we don't understand about aside from the horrific actions
(11:35):
of the National Socialist Party. Um, there's some things that
are going to remain mysterious forever because when it was
clear what uh, when it was clear what the outcome
of the war would largely be a lot of a
lot of documents and paperwork were destroyed by Nazis because
they knew that the capture capture was becoming imminent. It
(11:56):
was the fall of the party. But like the sanide
pills for the documents and for the other stuff, Yeah,
like this primarily the stuff that they burned primarily regarded
activities that we're going to be prosecuted as war crimes,
like human experimentation. It's not a war crime to try
to build a better tank, no, but it's a war
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crime to try to kill a huge population of people
or to experiment on them or to experim in certain
ways that causes harm just outright. So we do know,
we do have some examples of these different wonder weapons,
pretty impressive stuff. There were aircraft carriers, sweet, you know,
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the Germany was working on some an aircraft carriers like
the graph Zeppelin. Weighed over thirty three thousand tons. Uh. Yeah,
it's able to carry forty two aircraft and it was
you know, it was scrapped. Uh. As we go through
these wonder weapons, keep a list and see if you
can identify some common themes here. Uh. Then there was
(13:04):
a German aircraft carrier one in would have been faster,
larger than almost any of the other ships. This was
actually conversion. It was an existing watercraft, but they scrapped
that again due to design issues. Turns out building aircraft
carriers is tough, Yeah, and that's why when they did
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actually come along and were utilized effectively, they ruled the
seas right and u currently still do until the rise
of asymmetrical warfare. China is doing some of probably the
most impressive research on that as we speak. And then
they attempted to build battleships that would be super weapons
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and perhaps when The most famous of the VANDERWAFA is
the V program the Rockets. Yeah. This program consisted of
a particular group of long range artillery weapons that were
designed for strategic bombing during w W two UM particularly
terror bombing or aerial raids, like the kinds of images
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you get of an air raid, siren planes coming in
in London and just bombs falling everywhere, and it's literally
designed to keep the population terrified and cowering. There are
a lot of versions of the V as well, that
you can find. I would say, just go to Wikipedia
if you want to, because you can click through and
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see all the different images of them, and you'll eventually
get to or you'll probably start at the V two rocket.
That's the most well known. It's the breakout single exactly,
but it went through all kinds of different like attempts,
because you're literally trying to build a thing that can
use fire to propel itself across you know, a thousand,
(14:50):
hundreds at least of miles, sometimes thousands of miles and
uh explode on something with accuracy. The precursor to I
C B M. Right. So yeah, the the V one
was just called a flying bomb, and the V two
is the one that really, as as Null mentioned, really
brought the terror to London into other areas of conflict.
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But that wasn't just that this was a land air
and seething. Can't forget the submarines. Both tell me about those, man,
I remember hearing about them in school. How they were
just so versatile and nimble, um and and incredibly important
strategically for the U boats were incredibly nailed. That U
boats were a crucial piece of the of the German
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offensive and of the defensive lines because they could if
everything worked out as it was supposed to write in theory,
they could neutralize the threat or do what's called um
area denial for boats that would travel above water. Of course,
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armored vehicles, gigantic tanks, huge tanks. We're talking to banks
with crews of forty people in one tank. That's too many.
Railway gun Yeah, yes, I think I think it is too.
It's just like the panzers. Yeah, yep, zoop panzers. Some
of those really big ones never made it to a
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construction phase. They were just prototypes or they were scrapped later.
Because the entire time that the party is or the
scientists are working on these astonishing breakthroughs in technology, the
clock is ticking and the tide is turning against them.
So they're spontaneously becoming more and more of a panic
(16:38):
mode because the management. I'm sure anyone who has a
job is familiar with management coming down hard on you. Uh.
Management is telling them, you know, how long do you
think this will take? Somebody says, I guess in a
German acts in ten years, and they are cool, You've
got three weeks. Okay, what are you gonna do? And
(16:58):
at that point though, it all becomes just the fool's
Errand you know, you sometimes when you get managers like
that that are going into panic mode, they know, damn well,
these are not realistic goals, but they're gonna try to
terrify their underlings to the point where they give them something,
right exactly, I just want to get to one of
these monster, huge tanks because it's awesome. Can I say
(17:20):
real quick, I've got to say this word. I love
these amazing German compound words, the panzer tanks. The full
Longhand version of that word is ponza camp wagon, which
means armored combat vehicle. I just I'm a huge fan
of these amazing compound upon compound German words. Camp Wagon
sounds like a station wagon you would get from Volkswagen.
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It does. And you know what you can also get
from there? A land cruiser. It's that's another one. It's
a there's one called the land cruiser. Peeved monster. It's
it's just a prototype, like an idea. Essentially, I don't
think anything ever really got created, but it would have
been so massive that it would have used these eight
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hundred um eight hundred millimeter shells, and if you look
at one of these shells and you look at a
human man who is probably five ten eleven standing there,
it's at least two or three it's too like two
point two of that person. Uh, when you look at
its height, it's a massive shell that would have caused
(18:27):
crazy havoc if you ever were to fire this thing,
if it were ever built, right, And it sounds like
just from an engineering perspective, launching a projectile like that
such force would probably have a significant amount of damage
on the frame of the vehicle, right yeah, and probably
catastrophic effects to the surroundings of where the vehicle is placed. Well,
(18:48):
don't put it in a good neighborhood. But but if
you can imagine this type of weapon, you can really
see a picture of I guess what the lead ship
wanted to have these massive super weapons placed all over
countries where you know, on I can imagine them protecting
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ships or something just sort sitting on the edge of
some giant cliff. Um. It's pretty terrifying of an alternate
future where that happened. Right. Well, you know, people could
argue that the world has more or less been in
a continual state of war just in regions, right and
(19:32):
war between countries. Those things are still out there, maybe
not on that scale, but they're happening right and some
of it, some of the things that are just as
dangerous in their own way are global information collecting nets.
People didn't stop tinkering, you know, we brought up Operation
paper Clip before. One thing that's amazing, though, is I
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think a lot of a lot of people, at least
in the West, don't realize just how influential uh Nazi
era science was, or access science. If we count Unit
thirty one from Japan, in medicine, in rocketry, in uh
U boat design, you know, submarine design. They really did
(20:19):
change the world. They built the first fixed wing plane.
I'm not trying to downplay the intelligence of the German
people and the ingenuity, because we do know they have
great technology. But I really do stand by, especially medically,
some of those advances came from having no scruples, willing
to do whatever it took. The vast majority of them.
I completely agree. And and it's you know, there's this
(20:42):
question that we have asked ourselves before, you know, like
what would you do if you are what would you
do if you're a military official. Let's say you're the
surgeon general for some reason, it's very dark time to
be surgeon general. And you say, you know, you say, well,
we have all these we have all these files. This
is the best, most thorough and current research of what
(21:05):
happens to people at high atmospheric pressure. Because they took
civilians and put them in there and repeated the experiment
until they like, as the people exploded, do we is
it exploiting that UM, that horrific occurrence, that horror movie
level stuff to use it, or is it in some
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ways trying to make some sort of good out of
the situation, you know, And honestly, whatever ladies and gentlemen,
whatever your call would have been at that time, the
fact of the matter is that not just the US,
but also Russia also the other allied powers took the
(21:49):
research and used it. You know, UM had tremendous influence
on the Air Force. But you're you're absolutely right, like,
what what is what is the ethical line when you're
trying to behave ethically But the best information you will
ever run into in your career comes from people who
(22:10):
are ethically speaking, like not people sub human, completely monstrous
or thought that were better than human. But we run
into that it pops up. I kind of say, you
take that, you take it, you run with it, you
make it, you make it right, you make it good.
You honor the memory of those people that suffered in
order to achieve these innovations by making it better and
(22:33):
using it to ensure the stuff like that never happens again.
That's just me. I absolutely agree. And I think if
we had Matt and I had discussed this before and
came to the same conclusion. I mean, you can't bring
those people back, but you can save other people. You
also can't unknow that science. Well yeah, and it feels like, yeah,
that's so true. It feels like if you put lock
(22:55):
it away in a grimoire somewhere, all that information, or
you burn it and it is ever to be found again,
someone else is going to come along, maybe someone bad
and performed the same experimentation to find out the same
answers that were gained there. God, that's so messed up.
History is a messed up place and we are going
through at this point. So the Nazis also had gliders, Yes, yeah,
(23:18):
that in addition to atrocities, right, uh, first fixed wing gliders. Matt,
you mentioned the Horton ho. This was something that would
have absolutely looked like some kind of delta wing UFO
if you had seen it flying. Consequently, it was the
(23:38):
inspiration for the doctor's Who's book Horton here's an a
h O. Yes, yeah, which has been miss Uh. You
know a lot of people got that one wrong. That
would have been a much scary book, wouldn't it. Yeah?
I would, Yeah, I read it. I would read it. Uh. Yeah.
So we know that there were there were these advances,
these tremendous advances or attempts with aircraft and gliders as well,
(24:04):
including stuff that would be in very very high orbit.
But one of the craziest ones, while we're going through this, uh,
this hall of fame and infamy, one of the craziest
ones was the idea of something called a sun gun.
I know where a family shows so I shoot you.
(24:25):
Not this was a real thing. A group of German
scientists that the German Army Artillery proving grounds at Hiller
Slipen began conceiving a super weapon that could use the
Sun's energy, that could weaponize solar energy, which is of course,
uh for fans of Planet Earth or life for those documentaries,
(24:45):
of course, it is the engine that powers pretty much
every living thing or every every reaction on the planet
except for that one naturally occurring uh nuclear how our plans? Right,
So this sun gun, the idea is that would be
part of a space station that's like five thousand miles
(25:09):
above Earth. And the scientists thought that if they got
a huge reflector, made a metallic sodium that was three
and a half square miles wide, they could produce enough
focused heat to how how James bond Villain is to
boil an ocean, to burn a city? Just what concentrated
SunPower melt the face? Oh, every face, every face. I've
(25:32):
seen a million faces and I melted them all with
my sun gun. Is that it's an interest the reference
now it's a Bono reference. The references today, you're just
Jovi with the sun gun. I think the point that's what. Yeah,
that's like a lot of people don't know that. But
bon Jovi did come out of the sun gun research,
(25:53):
you know, And it's one of those ethical decisions where
the US government said, it's like, do we deprive the
population at large from this rock or you know, what
do we do? So many innocent people died to uh
to you know, produce this, uh this album Powerhouse of Rock.
(26:15):
So um, I'm going back and I'm wondering, did everybody
have the same revelation of the power you can wield
in your hand with a magnifying glass when the sun
is out? Like, did you guys discover that? Where you
told that? Because this whoever you know the scientists are
they thought about that and then they imagined, well, what
(26:35):
if God had a magnifying glass and we were God?
Such a German question, right, I don't. I don't know.
That's so messed up, just imagining that I can kill
these ants with my magnifying glass, or I can light
this leaf on fire with my magnifying glass. Well what
if we did it to the pole planet? Yeah, big
(26:56):
old magnifying glass. Yeah, I would. Um. Always I thought
that the only ethical human experimentation is self experimentation. I
have had ups and downs in that regard, but I
did the thing on myself. Yeah, I just see how
long it would take? Whoa, Yeah? Did you get a scar? Um?
(27:17):
I got some, I got some smoke. I felt really cool.
It was worth it. I don't know why that I
keep thinking of this, Probably because I watched it last
night Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. That feels like a
Nazi weapon. Wait wait the movie, yes, the movie, the
Shrinking Gun. Even the look of it, it's got this
like kind of cyberpunk letting out cyberpunk, like steampunk, kind
(27:38):
of weird, like the coils and exposed metal. It seems
like something the Nazis would have been hip too. You know. Yeah,
that is a great movie, all of the iterations of it.
I've I think I enjoyed all of them. Yeah. Wait,
there's more than two, aren't there. Honey, we shrunk ourselves. Honey,
we shrunk the Kids. Kids was first? Honey shrunk No
(27:59):
in particular, I guess I remember. The second one was Honey,
I blew up the baby right there. At least every
one wasn't straight to video Honey, we shrunk the budget. Honey,
I don't remember my childhood. Um. So, out of all
of these proven uh proven weapons and pieces of technology
(28:23):
like the hord Hure oh or the V two Rockets,
or of the Propaganda trilogy, the Propaganda Dynasty known as
Honey I Shrunk the Kids or prototype super weapons UH
one in particular, gets by far the most attention from
fringe theorists around the world and we will dive into
the story behind that after award from our sponsors, and
(28:56):
it now begins the legend of the nazill In two
thousand of Polish author named Igor Wittkowski published a book
called Prauda oh Wounder Waffle or the Truth about the
Wonder Weapon. And guess what, I didn't pronounce that correctly.
This was reprinted in German as die away at hobb
not even going to try that it was reprinted in German.
(29:18):
So this is the first public printed mention of what
this guy calls the Nazi Bell. And here is what
he claims. While conducting some research, he happened upon these
transcripts from the interrogation of a Nazi s S officer
named Jacob Sporenberg. And inside this transcript he found the
first mention of this thing that was called the bell,
(29:39):
although it was in German and I can't do it correctly,
so dick luck. So he did all this during his
time as SS and police leader of Lublin in the
General Government of Occupied Poland. In August of nine then
he was captured after a relocation in Norway and was
extensively questioned. Um sporn R was extradited to Poland in
(30:02):
October of nine and then sentenced to death by a
Polish court in Warsaw in nineteen fifty The sentence was
carried out on December six of nineteen fifty two, when
he was executed by hanging. Um. Then, according to what Kowski,
he was shown these allegedly classified transcripts in August by
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an unnamed Polish intelligence contact who said he had access
to Polish government documents regarding Nazi secret weapons. So what
Kowski maintains that he was only allowed to transcribe the
document and was not actually allowed to make any copies
of no photos, no primary source documentation. Uh. And the
legend was popularized by an author named Nick Cook, who
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used Witkowski stories in his own book on zero point Energy.
So there's a lot to unpack here, right. Uh. This
guy was allegedly shown these documents, shown these transcripts, and
it seems like that might be a big red light
that's flashing and tells you, Okay, he's shown these things,
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but he can't document them whatsoever. Um. Okay. It makes
you wonder about the intentions, if it's true, the intentions
of the person that showed it to him, and you know,
it also makes you wonder is this real? Right? So yeah,
there's a there's a weak spot in the argument there.
The first mention of this bell, whatever it might be, uh,
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doesn't doesn't arrive until decades after the war, right, right,
So when when would this well, even if we just
say that the author says it happened in he was
shown these things. The book comes out in two thousands,
so it depends on, you know, how much of this
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person's word we want to take for sac saint fact,
we do know that there were Nazi secret weapons because
Allied powers found a lot of them. We do know
that in some classified situations are dealing with compartment and
compartmentalized information as they will call it in the US,
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that there are you know, situations where people are not
allowed to take photographic evidence or two be provided copies.
I mean, this is a country where the Supreme Court,
which has immense power, he doesn't ever doesn't get films.
You know, there are no cameras in the courtroom when
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the ring braiths are in session. But there's nine of
them or you know there there will be there will
be there nine spots. So they're looking for the next
ring bearer. But but also an important detail here is
that Spornberg is dead. There's no record of him saying
anything about this the other time, and there's no way
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with current technology that we can ask him. Um, so,
what the heck is this thing? It wasn't even around
and even though it was in two thousand, wasn't really
around in English much until the author Nick Cook made
a book looking into people, inventors, entrepreneurs who felt like
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they had discovered of various forms of alternate energy, right,
zero point energy, anti gravity, stuff like that, all that jazz,
all that smooth jazz, something that will change the game, right?
So what? What the heck? What in Sam Hill? What
in Sweet Sninky Pete? Is this Nazi bell thing? Allegedly
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it was an experiment carried out by third Riich scientists
working for the s S in a secret German facility
known as Dead Ice or the Giants. Uh. It's in
the once has Lost My and was close to the
Czech border. Do you think he's the same king like
from the Christmas song Good King Wincho Slaus? Was that
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his his mind, his personal mind the very same? Unless
I mean, like, at least at a logically speaking who
knew he was a Nazi sympathizer. I feel like it's
implied in the song. I'm gonna have to revisit that text.
I did say that without having read the lyrics of
I Apologize to the King, Good King when Charles last
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looked down on the Feast of Steve Um. I honestly
have no idea what you're talking about. It it's a
nor moonlay round about deep and Chrispundi panzas, what what
is this? It's a Christmas song? Yeah? What Christmas is
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a holiday typically celebrated at the end of the Gregorian
year and invented by the Nazis. Well, and that's a
totally different thing. To a side note, if we have time,
I don't want it's take up too much time. But
side note, Uh, the Nazi Party did have a group
of like an ideological group that was trying to supplant
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Christian celebrations with a more what they felt was traditionally
Germanic based mythos and celebration. Oh, we've got to look
into that. I think we did in the past, right
do we talked about that? And I get our videos
in our audio mixed up sometimes, so we'll have to
look at it, point being, and you can find it's
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an amazing story. But point being, um, yes, the this bell,
what the heck is it? What in good King Winceslaus
is going on here? Well, we have to look at
a guy called General Dr Hans Friedrick Carl Franz Kammeler Kammler,
who oversaw the V two rocket programs. He was born
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in nineteen o one. By the end of the Second
World War he was almost as powerful as s s
S Chief Heinrich Hemmler Uh and the Armaments Minister who
is Albert Spear, had access to the nazis most advanced technology,
including the V one and V two rockets, And these
things are some of the only those rockets are some
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of the only weapons that came out in enough time
to actually reign destruction. Right. The design didn't get rushed
into a point where it was non viable. But as
a lot of military historians tell you, it came down to,
you know, a matter of a couple of years or months.
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If if this technology, if more of this technology rolled out,
the war could have ended differently. This was the guy
in charge of a lot of that, this General Kambler. Yes, yes,
and in addition to designing and supervising secret weapons, because
he was also an engineer, he also proved Dan designs
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crematoriums in Auschwitz, and he was associated with some of
the darkest, most disturbing things. So pretty broad skill set
of evil. Yeah, right, he's a utility evil player. But his, uh,
but his the primary thing he was known for at
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the time was supervising these secret weapon programs. And this,
this German facility, in this mind was a real thing. Right.
The bell, the bell? Right, the bell is the question
the maddening tin tin abulation of hearsay and rumor in
the telephone game we call history. Here's what with Kowski,
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as told by Cook, says the bell appears to be. Says,
it's made out of a hard, heavy metal, approximately nine
ft wide twelve to fifteen ft high, and it's similar
in shape to that of a large church bell or handbell.
So you know, it's got a it's got a bigger
lip or rim at the bottom, and then it tapers
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up to a to the rounded, rounded top the nipple,
which is the technical term, uh, you know. And there
are various kinds of bells, so you know, they're like
Carillian bells, which are tubular. We won't. We don't want
to mislead you. Think about the Liberty bell. Think about
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big old steel bell. Yeah, huge heavy contraptions. So it
looks like that. And according to Wakowski or Cook's account
of interview in Wakowski, this device had two counter rotating cylinders,
so one would be or they both be filled with
a mercury like substance which was violet in color. And
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it was code named ZIOM five to five with that
zerom with an X, and it was stored in a small,
thin uh flask that was about a meter high and
encased in lead. So they also said that there were
additional substances used in the experiments, referred to as light metal,
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and they included things like thorium and beryllium peroxides. That's
a quote. Wow, So reactive things, things that thank could
perhaps being nuclear powered if you use them in a
certain way. Yes, yeah, exactly, so, Wikowski says to Cook.
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He says this bell, when they activated it, it also
needed a tremendous amount of power. He says that when
they activated it had what he called an effect zone
that extended fo si sixty um. And that seems like
an arbitrary measurement and feet. But that's because you know
this is this is in Europe and in every other
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part of the world except for mean Mahr and the
US and I think Namibia. Everybody else uses the metrics system.
So we set a hundred fifty two. So what would
happen when this effect zone was, you know, in full
effect when it was charged up cooking with zero five
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to five. Well, allegedly, if you're an animal and you
have cells of an animal, blood of an animal, uh,
it would form into crystals and uh like blood would
turn into gel and separate, while plants would just turn
into this greasy I guess, a grease like substance, something
(40:34):
that just looks nasty, kind of like control to um
when they would eat the green goo uh and they
turned into plants and then they would disintegrate into a
puddle of greenish snot goo. That's pretty good, yeah, or
like when people would have a control too, right yeah, yeah,
I actually have it on my computer now turned out. Yeah,
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it's kind of like Indiana Jones when they look at
the Arc of the Covenant, right. Yeah. I think Troll
two is probably if we're aiming for accuracy and your
own references, and TROLT is probably better because they do
end up being goo at the end of the troll process.
Here's one of the worst parts about testing a weapon
like this, when there's an effect zone and you have
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to manipulate the stuff and turn it on and make adjustments.
Well sometimes, and in this case, according to this gentleman,
the scientists become victims. There are five of the seven
original scientists allegedly died over the course of testing this thing.
And now we get to some of the architecture here.
So Wakowski states that there are the ruins near the winces.
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Last mind, there are ruins of a concrete framework and
there's one thing called the hinge. This looks like a
frame with hooks attached that make people think it was
the spot to test a UM a vehicle of some
sort or some kind of engine, something that had propellant abilities.
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And it's called the hinge because it's reminiscent, well very
slightly reminiscent to Stonehenge, because it is a constructed and
obviously constructed thing of stone um but they're standing rocks
and it is right next to a former secret underground
research facility made by the Nazi parties made by a
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state actor at the time, which was also made using
slave labor. I feel like we have to point that out.
If you are in the vicinity and you would like
to check this out and maybe send your old pals
conspiracy stuff, uh some photographic evidence while you, of course
avoid any possible field effects. You can find the You
(42:54):
can find the mine with the coordinates that I will
to you now. It's uh fifty degrees uh thirty seven
forty three north and sixteen degrees east. Dare you have it?
So people who believe in this Nazi bell idea, I
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believe that they see this structure as evidence that there
was actual experimentation with maybe some sort of anti gravity propulsion,
maybe some sort of other advanced application of physics that
we perhaps don't yet understand. The anti gravity thing is
what I've heard most, or the zero point energy idea
(43:38):
that this thing, once you turned it on, it started
generating its own power. It took a lot of energy
to turn it on, but once it's on, it's like, hey,
we're gonna run forever. Yeah, it's very It's like Mick
Jagger and start me up. How However, for people who
think this is not true. That structure itself is just
another ruin. And they say, well, if it looks like anything,
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it looks like a cooling tower. Right. So the really
crazy part what what was it supposed to do? We've
mentioned it being like thought of as a weapon, We've
mentioned it being thought of as a vehicle, but what
what gives? What's the skinny? Can we cliff hang here
for a second? Sponsor brig Well, as a lot of
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these reports are, we are pretty much entering the realm
of wild speculation. Uh, if I didn't have a shoulder injury,
I would be gesticulating wildly. Um So everything after the
original claim by Wikowski itself is completely unsupported. Um It
delves into pretty arbitrary or at least unproven territory. But
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that has never stopped us on this show, so let
us sally forth. For example, in the book Hitler's Suppressed
and Still Secret Weapons, science and technology, author Henry Stevens
concludes that the violet mercury like substance described by Witkowski
could only be red mercury because normal mercury quote has
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no fluid compounds according to conventional wisdom. So what what is?
What is red mercury. Ben, I'm so glad you asked
the stuff that's in the thermometers, right, Well, that's what
I thought about too initially. That's that that's that's mercury.
And the difference between those mercuries is the mercury and
your thermometers is real. It's a it's a real proven thing.
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Red mercury, at least at this point is a hoax substance.
And you can tell in some ways because the author Stevens,
his source for this claim is, of course, as an
all said, conventional wisdom. Right. Uh, many many people have
had worse things happen because of their conventional wisdom. What's
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that old saying about common sense being the rarest thing there.
There was an interesting article that talks a little bit
about red mercury because for a while there's a little
bit of intrigue in here. Okay, So for a while
there there was this idea that separatist groups or terrorist
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groups or militias around the world would be able to
get their hands on a substance that they called red mercury.
And I thought it was very, very dangerous. And it
turned out that there's pretty convincing evidence whomever was making
this Red Mercury claim was a state intelligence agency, a
(46:40):
state actor, um, possibly when Uncle Sam's boys who was
was doing like a sting operation on these people. So
it had all these rumors about its putency, how dangerous
and rare it was, how it could create the equivalent
of a nuclear bomb blast. Yeah, because it's it's an explosive, right,
(47:03):
non non exploding explosive, So one that's safe to handle,
but then we'll explode when I guess activated. And I
love the idea of a non exploding explosive. It just
seems like a like a gag gift. Ude, I wanted
an explosive that actually explodes. We got you. Well, that's
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like that's like a that's like a terrorist break. But
in this case, it's it's almost the equivalent of a
nuclear explosion if you had enough of this stuff, at
least according to the legends, if we're real. But it's
almost like yellow Cake is something I remember hearing about
back in the day and not knowing at all what
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it was and just having crazy ideas because I hadn't
done any research on what yellow cake was. Um, I
feel like you hear something like Red Mercury. I don't know,
maybe the same thing applies. You think, oh, it must
be real. Yeah. That's part of the clever cleverness behind
those kinds of manipulative things is you have this idea
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of of two things that you you understand conceptually. I
know what mercury is, I'm aware of the color red,
and you put them together and then it seems somehow
still understandable because they're not contradictory. Right, So it's it's
an understandable but distressing thing at this point. And we're
being completely fair at this point. There is no universally
(48:28):
accepted proof of something called red mercury. That is the
most fair we can be about it. But let us
not stop there, because Steven's further allegance that there is
a concave mirror. Um Steven, Okay, here, here's how he
says it. He relays an anecdote from a guy who
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when he was thirteen in nine in the nineteen sixties,
the scientists told him about a divide ice that had
a concave mirror on the top of it, and the
description of it matched in the author's opinion, or maybe
in the person's interviewings opinion, it matched the description of
the bell, and that this concave mirror provided the ability
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to see quote images from the past during its operation.
And this line of thought led other authors to claim
the bell is some sort of time traveling technology or
time viewing device, kind of like the Palanteer and Lord
of the Rings, you know, the Deadly Crystal Ball. I'm
getting images of Contact, the movie Contact, where there's this
(49:38):
device that spins really fast, and then you can drop
something through it, and it can time travel through time,
I guess, or in some way I see yeah, because
they say only eight minutes past. Yeah. Well yeah, so
I'm imagining the bell being these two spinning things and
then maybe you can even drop something through it, or
maybe the person inside of it is time traveling if
you can climb in it. Well, I'm immensely glad that
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you mentioned UFOs, matt because or aliens or extraterrestrials, because
if you happen to check out things on the Discovery
Network or History Channel there uh infamous love to hate It,
Hate to Love it? Uh program Ancient Aliens, You'll see
that the Nazi Bell is associated with UFOs in those things,
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and we'll we'll get to that in just a second
and it all really goes back to the idea of
where this thing ended up. Right, So we've got Kamler
disappears after the war. People say he commits suicide and
that's the official story. Well, what really happened is he
disappeared and the world's going to heck in a handbasket
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for Germany, so they have to get rid of this technology, right,
And obviously no one found a bell and went public
with it. So according to people who believe in its existence,
this either ended up in South America. And that's related
to a lot of other fringe theories, uh, and some
fringe facts that we are we are already aware of.
You probably have heard this a million times if you
(51:10):
check out our if you enjoy our show, And that
is the idea of Nazis escaping World War two through
the Vatican at times Vatican sponsored ratlines and living out
and in some isolated cases, living their entire natural lives
out um punishment free in areas of South America. So
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people believe that the bell was a real thing that
hasn't been found. I think that Kamler brought it with
him or somehow sent it to South America where it resides.
Just imagine folks in the jungle today, stay away from
bells in the woods, regardless of what size they are.
Just in general, if it's not your bell, don't touch it.
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Or it ended up somewhere else. What if it ended
up in Kentucky, y'all, Yes, Kentucky, the logical logical destination.
There's this thing that we may have touched on before year.
I know we've touched on it in our video series
the Kecksburg Incidents. This is a UFO and unidentified flying
(52:18):
object that came down in nineteen sixty on December nine.
It was originally thought to be a meteorite or called
a meteor right, that's what it was thought to be. Well,
current researchers just believed that this was a g E
Mark two that's General Electric reentry vehicle that was launched
by the Air Force as a spy satellite, which very
(52:43):
plausible in my opinion. Unfortunately, this one just fell out
of orbit and then landed in Kentucky as it does. Yeah,
but originally, of course the Kentucky gets all the meteors
and fallen satellites. But there's a lot of hubble hubble
balu hubbal lou I don't know how to say, is
this a hubble joke. There's a hullabaloo hubble blue, hubble blue,
(53:05):
hubble balue, more like hillbilly blue. But of course there's
a lot of hullabaloo at the time when this when
the Kexperg incident occurred, because this thing was was bright
and it appeared to enter the atmosphere and then crash somewhere,
and people are like, oh man, it's a UFO, you
guys well, and technically it is. Yeah, it was a
(53:27):
flying saucer that crashed Holmes right, the homes as they
called each other. But be that as it may, pun
making prodigies though we may be u there is a
there is an unfunny and inescapable truth here, which is,
of course, the government most likely lied to these people.
The Kexberg incident is different because civilians got there first,
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and we're able to look at this in detail. But imagine,
if you're your state power, right, you how have to
control what your enemies would see or what other people
would see. Right, So having a spy satellite fall first off,
very fortunate for it to fall in the contiguous US. Uh.
(54:15):
But you you have to get that out because you
don't want other people talking about something that you know
your rivals in the U S, SRS or what have
you will immediately recognize when they hear it described. So,
as far as we know now, it was probably the
satellite that Matt described. But at the time, you can't
blame people for thinking this is Tunguska event all over again,
(54:40):
or this is a piece of alien technology, because who
at that time would have seen a satellite up close.
And by the way, guys, we have an entire audio
episode on the Kecksburg incident if you're interested and you
want to learn more about it. We've described everything that
happened in more detail. Yeah, check it out. Go there
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now when you're done with this, But be kind. Yes,
it was an earlier so it was awesome. This is
an awesome This is an awesome thing. This this idea
that there could be technology that's beyond what we even
possessed today in TV. And of course this is just
(55:22):
my opinion, and I don't know why you guys feel
about this, but I'm pretty convinced. I have certitude that
the technology that militaries have is at the minimum several
years in vance of the civilian stuff. Right. I think
it's compounded over time too. We never really knew the
top speed of the the yeah, right, until until it
(55:48):
was in museums, you know it was retired, or about
how it expanded its metal and stuff. It was designed
so it could expand because it got so hot and
went so fast. I just want a million tear a
bite thumb drive. When can I have that? I guess
when you start working for DARPA. Man, it's a million terabytes.
That's that's a name for that, right? Is that a
that's a lot hep heppa byte, a pepper bite. I
(56:11):
think they call it king size bagel bite. Someone right
to us conspiracy and how stuff works, and let us
know what a million terabyte drive would be. All right, man,
we'll get back on track. I apologize, No, I want
to know. Um. So we we have all these questions.
This this story leaves us with more questions. Some of
them are psychological, some of them are material, and some
(56:34):
of them are a little bit more philosophical. So it's
true that we will never have complete answers to many
questions surrounding World War Two. If you believe that a
lot of people disappeared in the Vietnam War first, you
are correct, but World War two had probably even more
people just wiped off the face, even more soldiers went missing. Right.
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We know, for example, that this the thing that we
all grew up being taught with Hitler's skull by in
possession of the Soviet Party. I believe was not in
fact his skull. No, it was a female. But there
was a jaw, part of a jaw that was found
that was supposedly Hitler's that was identified by people at
the time, at least according to Skeptoid, which is what
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I was reading. And this feeds into, you know, this
feeds into the propagation of theories of Hitler escaping and
living to be somewhere else, uh, living his natural life
out somewhere else, maybe South America. But if we can't
arrive immediately a good answers, we can ask increasingly well
informed questions. So the first question about this particular device
(57:42):
that sounds straight out of science fiction, right, uses either
an ancient and ancient power source descended from real in
the flying machines right, that appear in the Bajagavad Gita
and are rediscovered in in some sort of occult field
trip on the SIA Nazi Party um or some space
age thing that never been built on Earth before. If
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either way, if it's so advanced, here's question number one,
why did the ACCESS lose the war? Yeah, if they
had UFOs, if if there were underground basis, if there
was revolutionary technology, then why did they lose the war? Well,
first of all, it melted all the scientists, so they
couldn't finish the thing. Five out of seven five well
(58:25):
probably maybe the good ones. The last two were like this,
associate scientists, it was like this first day. Yeah, that's
I mean, yeah, that's that's I think that's an answer.
Assuming the s S officer really did mention some sort
of device like the bell and an interrogation, how much
(58:46):
could he've actually known or understood. Sure, he was a
notoriously bad person and an effective um effective at what
he did in the military, but nothing he did had
a technical or scientific role in his entire career. So
it's possibly that you could have seen something and been mistaken.
It's possible that he could have never mentioned it. Yep,
(59:09):
it's possible there could have been some miscommunication and then Kammeler,
the guys in charge of the two rockets. In this case,
we do have an answer. Officially committed suicide at the
end of the war, Yet growing evidence indicates that the
US faked his death, gave him a brand new identity
in America, secretly using his knowledge of weaponry to advance
their own studies, which means that he was never prosecuted.
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And this is never prosecuted in a country that will
lock people up for life for non violent drug offenses,
right in a country that has three strike offenses, to
the point where you know, children can be locked up
for the better part of their natural life. So whatever
happened to that giant underground complex, well, it remains in
(59:56):
ruins today, unfinished, just kinda hanging out sitting there. And
get this, it's only one of the just multiple underground
storage facilities that the Nazis built. As thought there's some
magic alien crystals buried in that mess somewhere. Well, I okay,
it's possible that there's undiscovered stuff like that out there.
(01:00:16):
It's possible, like tiny, itty, tiny bit possible. But it's
been a long time, right, it's been decades of there
are governments that would have an interest in anything to
any kind of technology or magic that may exist out
there and you'd think that they would go through it,
but maybe not. And we do know that camera was
(01:00:38):
in charge of you know, eight or nine of these things.
They were dug out pretty extensively because it was one
of the only ways to protect uh secret, this sort
of secret experimental research from Allied bombers. Because it's not
like documents they could have shredded, you know, like when
the when when the jig was up and the Nazis
were being toppled and everyone was coming in rans sacking
(01:01:00):
their facilities, their bunkers, what have you. It would be
pretty difficult to cover their tracks on something this large. Yeah,
it's true, I mean, yeah, but it could be like
the tombs like King Tut's tombs are other tombs that
are yet to be discovered that just maybe we haven't
used the light our technology on it yet in these areas,
(01:01:21):
you know, to find the secret bunker parts inside the
secret bunker. You're all about that light are I mean,
it's one of the coolest technologies that exists right now,
I think. And so there we are concluding for now
our story of the Nazi Belt. We looked into this
extensively and without saying that it is without saying that
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it's like our purposeful hoax or anything. The best we
can say is that we found evidence of very very
strange things like these underground facilities, right, and we know
that we know that had the timing worked out differently,
the technological advances that UH that Germany was researching at
the time could well have changed the tide of war,
(01:02:06):
including their research into nuclear weapons UH nuclear warheads specifically,
and they were much closer than a lot of a
lot of people might imagine. But we couldn't find anything
about the Nazi Bell before the year two thousand. If
you want to be you know, if you if you
want to entirely accept the claims made in the book,
(01:02:29):
we would like to hear what you think about the
Nazi Bell. If you'd like to learn more about this
from maybe a more conspiratorial angle, check out The Brotherhood
of the Bell, check out the other two books we
mentioned here, and most importantly, if you have if you
have some ideas or some insight that we haven't heard yet,
we'd love to hear from you. And speaking of listeners,
(01:02:51):
just like you, it's time for shot at Corners. Our
first shout out today comes from Alex h Alex says,
I'm listening to your Grimoire episode now, and I thought
I would send you something of insider perspective. Something of
an insider's perspective, he says. Um, I had Narnia and
(01:03:13):
Middle Earth as my bedtime stories from a young age.
Once I could read, I devoured the mythology and folklore
sections of my local library. I was raised Catholic, but
after my mother became very ill in my teenage years,
I had a crisis of faith and began to doubt
what I had been told. When I got to college,
I discovered weed, LSD and mushrooms. As you do, you know,
(01:03:36):
whatever whatever tickles your third eye, um, and it really
altered what I believed was possible. I read Grant Morrison's
comic book series The Invisibles, huge favorite of the show
around the same time, and was enthralled by its wild, experimental,
psycho sexual, spiritual, spy conspiracy story. That is a mouthful, Um,
(01:03:58):
try as I might, and I really it. After that,
I couldn't just put the genie back in the bottle.
So I tried Buddhism for a while, and yoga and
the whole famelieu that comes with that, but it never
completely squared with my worldview. Western occultism is the only
thing that has. Ultimately, what it comes down to is
the fact that belief is a choice, a belief in,
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and the practice of magic works for me. It is anecdotal,
much of it is psychological, and obviously it stands against
the dominant paradigm of modern society. But the simple fact
is when I am practicing, I feel happy and engaged
with the world in a way that I do not
under normal circumstances. Severe depression has been a condition of
my existence for much of my life. Um, and if
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the fix for that is something most people would consider crazy,
so be it. It's worth it to live in an
enchanted world. It's a beautiful sentiment. Um. Anyway, those are
my two cents. Love the podcast, you have the great work.
I couldn't agree more. Um. I'm not a religious person myself.
I begrudge no one that practices religion if they do
so respectfully of others, and it is thing that works
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for them and keeps them on a path they find
to be you know, successful, uh, mentally and spiritually. It
doesn't work for me, but I see plenty of people
in my life that use religion as a tool to
kind of guide their lives in an ordered way, and
this is no different in my opinion. Thanks so much
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for writing in like h that is a beautiful cinnamon.
I think we all agree here. Yeah, and we definitely
share your from childhood interest in the uh Folklore and
Mythology section at the library. So who's next? Our next
message comes from Kelsey says, Hey, guys, I'm a new
listener and I've been going back through the archive and
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catching up on old episodes. I got to the cannibalism one,
and y'all said, you're wondering what your listeners were doing
while they were listening about such a dark subject. Well,
I'm an electrical engineer student doing research with semiconductors and
like listening to your podcasts while I catalog samples, read papers,
do homework, etcetera. Today, while I was cataloging and listening,
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I got a surprise phone interview for a full time
position after I graduate. Congratulations Kelsey, that is a huge
accomplishment and such good news. It went well. But it's
hard to talk about green technology when you just heard
about someone's testicles being fed to them. Oh, cannibalism. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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sorry that apron it was uh sorry, Kelsey, but you
know we we are very glad that you got that
good news. Kelsey says, love the podcast PS. I'll let
you know if I get it. Well, we certainly hope
you do. I Kelsey, you first off, we're sending you
good vibes, unanimously and immensely and profoundly sending good vibes.
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I gotta say your your comments. Your comment regarding testicles
and cannibalism reminds me. I do a live show on
Facebook called snack Stuff where we try strange and weird
snacks from around the world. You could check it out
Tuesday's three pm Eastern Standard time every couple of weeks.
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And we also have a food show that's come out,
which I can say is good because I'm not part
of it. It's called food Stuff. It's about the science
and culture of everything wonderful, weird, delicious, and gusta tory.
But neither of those shows have covered cannibalism yet. Right
give a time, they'll run into topics. Have you eaten
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testicles yet? On Snacks Stuff? I have not. Volunteers. Oh,
and point of order, lest we not forget. The month
of March is Tripod month. That's with it. Why try
a pod cast? That's the right hashtag tripod? Hashtag that
try it, then hashtag it. Use the hashtag tripod when
you're tweeting out your favorite podcast recommendations for your friends.
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Whoever and so um today, I've got one. I'm a
big fan of the podcast How Did This Get Made?
With Paul Sheer and Jason man Zukas from the League,
and also Paul's hilarious wife June Diane Riffael, where they
basically just riff and rip on crappy movies. Yeah, they
all get together. They'll watch it separately or together and
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then just talk about it and it is hilarious. They're
part of the ear Wolf group of podcasts and some
of my favorite if I ever go on a trip,
I've got that show in comedy Bang Bang and several
others of theirs just rocking in my car. I can't
recommend it highly enough. Yeah, for sure, So get out
there and try a pod They did Hackers not long ago.
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Hackers is the best. That's yeah, that's the one where
June doesn't understand what the Little BB eight Toys mission
is She's like, what's its mission? And everyone just cracks
up because it's like, what's its mission? It's wonderful. Nobody knows.
You never know what's going to happen in the meantime.
This concludes our our and that's the end of this
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