February 9, 2021 • 38 mins
You've probably heard about Nikola Tesla, but what about Thomas Henry Moray? Join Ben and Matt to learn why some people believe this little-known electrical engineer may have discovered a revolutionary zero-point energy device in this week's classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, folks, if you're listening to stuff they don't want
you to know, then it's fair to assume that you
have heard of Nicola Tesla. I probably heard all sorts
of things about him, and some of the weirdest stuff
is true. But have you heard of the subject of
today's classic episode, Thomas Henry Moray? Oh? Yes, we have.
(00:23):
You mean zero point energy? You mean the fabled thing
that has been chased for centuries. How can we create
a machine that puts out more energy than it takes in? Hmm?
Is it even possible? So let's find out what exactly
Thomas Henry Murray was up to and was he the
next Nikola Tesla. Here it is from UFOs two Ghosts
(00:46):
and Government cover ups. History is written with unexplained events.
You can turn back now or learn the stuff they
don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome back to
the show. My name is Matt and I am Ben,
and we are both suffering from some kind of cold.
(01:06):
I'm not sure what it is. I think we've been
working a little too closely on these episodes been maybe yeah,
because we both got hit with the same viral thing. Um,
whatever it is, it's constricting everything above my neck. So yeah, sorry,
that's not really Look, that's not a transition. Guys listening
(01:27):
to this, We just we just want to let you know.
That's why we sound a little weird speaking of fantastic segues. Right. Well,
you know one thing that is funny is that whenever
one of us is under the weather. Um you know
how listeners, when you are under the weather and you
have a sore throat, uh, you notice that you get
the Batman boys. You know, I'm not wearing hockey pads
(01:49):
or whatever that line was. But yes, today we returned
to you, having narrowly avoided death's door and still not
quite up to Uh, we couldn't We couldn't wait to
get back onto the podcast and to talk about a
subject that was fascinating from the moment you introduced it, Matt,
(02:12):
And this one is something that you came up with.
Could you give us an introduction here? Sure? This week
we've been looking at suppressed energy. We started with Tesla,
one of our oldest videos, and we're really interested in
this subject because this seems to be energy and electricity
and the gathering of it seems to be one of
the most important things that exists for humanity. Um, your computer,
(02:36):
like the computer that just made that noise, it would
not be here if we couldn't efficiently get energy somewhere
and story. Okay, so this A lot of people know
about Nikola Tesla, a lot of people know about Thomas Edison.
There are a lot of big names out there. Yeah,
but there are people who wanted to try different unconventional
ways to harness energy, to deploy energy to the public.
(03:01):
And one of these guys his name was Thomas Henry Moray.
And you may have heard of him, but probably not,
and we're going to talk about him today. Yeah, So
who was Thomas Henry Murray? Will He was born in
August in eighteen two. Let's both high five, Matt. You
and I were both born in August, not out of ee,
(03:23):
not of e two as far as we know. Uh
So Mr Murray graduated the Latter Day Saints Business College.
He became an engineer, getting a PhD via correspondence courses
at the University of Uppsala and uh for decades he
(03:43):
was tinkering with these ideas of alternative energy, following the
lead of Tesla, who was one of his personal inspirations.
So this is huge for me, as much as we
admire Tesla right now, imagine if you were not necessarily contemporary,
but you know, you're aware of Tesla and you're aware
(04:04):
of his research, and it's kind of current, and you're like,
oh man, how can I expand on this, especially if
you're bright enough, as this gentleman apparently was. Right now,
we have to get Also, you'll notice as we go
forward that we are putting in a healthy dose of
apparently allegedly's and reportedly uh so. In sometime in the
(04:26):
nineteen twenties, um Murray began demonstrating what he called radiant
energy device to various people. Yeah, okay, so this thing
is kind of interesting. It's a solid state detector, at
least that's what they called it um he he termed
he coined the term a Murray valve. And okay, so here,
(04:51):
let's just go through how it works. Been so, allegedly
it stimulates this is kind of weird, stimulates oscillations that
are already existent in the radiant energy from space. So
the energy that's coming in from the Sun, um other
stars that just exists out there from the ionosphere. That
idea of harnessing that radiant energy that's just there. Oh yeah,
(05:14):
like the the that idea of energy, uh, the idea
of some energy from the heavens. He's not the first
person to do that. No, no, he's not the last.
But the oscillation thing then would be that this energy
is coming to Earth from space in waves, yes, and
somehow being able to harness those waves. So he he
(05:35):
had a bunch of antenna that we're connected to basically
high voltage capacitors, uh, some semiconductors, some transformers, and well,
I guess we'll look at this a little later. Um,
but it means that the device was allegedly able to
convert this ambient radiant energy into some form of usable electricity. Okay,
(05:56):
So if we think about the way that a hydropower
generator is able to harness the tides to generate energy,
right yeah, Well, in that case, you've got the physical
movement of waves, right right yeah. Times Uh. In this case,
you're dealing with something a little more I was going
to say, esoteric, but harder to grasp. Yeah, if it's
(06:18):
if it's real. Uh So. One of the most popular
tests that you will hear about when you read about
Murray or talk about Murray is that this Murray valve
apparently ran for a hundred and fifty seven hours NonStop
one time, generating around fifty kilowatts of power, and it
(06:38):
had no connection to conventional power sources. This is a
great bar story already. Oh yeah, exactly. So here here's
the crazy thing. Then there were a ton of contemporary
or at least a handful of contemporary experts at the
time that got to take a look at this device
(06:58):
and they said, okay, well it's working. Something's happening. You're
getting electricity. But they couldn't explain how the heck it
worked right. And these were engineers, journalists, apparently, officials from
various UH companies like Bell Laboratories, or government agencies like
the Department of Agriculture. And someone, even according to More,
(07:23):
disassembled and rebuilt the device and got it working, you know,
because it's a solid state UH detector, So you can
take apart these things and then put them back together.
If that is true, that's an extraordinary test because you know,
even even today, if you look on YouTube where tear
(07:43):
down videos are so popular, that's really how you demystify stuff.
But what okay, so we said we're going to go
back more detail on this device. So what what exactly
were they tearing apart? What is the Murray device? Or well,
let's start with what it was not, And what it
was not was a perpetual motion machine, or at least
an alleged perpetual motion machine. He even explicitly said that
(08:05):
that was not this. So okay, well, let's talk about
what a perpetual motion machine is. I guess right. Um, So,
as far as we know, that's not possible. A machine
that you could that would not be connected up to
any at least known energy source that would be able
to create power some forum of usable work in perpetuity
(08:25):
that we that currently does not exist, at least to
our knowledge, and it cannot exist because it would violate
the thermodynamic laws right for laws describing the characteristics of
closed systems. Without going too far into this um, the
laws of thermodynamics are some of the most well established
(08:51):
laws in in the in the world of physics, primarily
because almost everything we observe, pretty much every thing we've
observed so far, seems to uh substantiate the existence of
these these principles. Now, we had an interesting moment because
you and I did a vlog earlier in the week
(09:12):
on the types of perpetual motion machines, whether someone has
invented them or not, and we had some great responses
on YouTube, some some of you, if you are watching
our YouTube shows as well, thank you. Some some of
you raise some really cool and interesting points with some
stuff we want to follow up on. One of the
big ones we got that I want to address directly
(09:35):
is um the notion that the universe itself is a
perpetual motion machine. However, the tricky word here, as I
think we say, is the word perpetual, imperpetuity, forever, endeavor
and ever. Amen. That uh, that from what we understand
about the observable universe is not is at least not
(09:57):
going to happen with our universe due to the um
unstoppable build of entropy. You can't stop entropy, at least
we can't do it yet. That well, that's the thing
there there with our universe, at least our current models,
there was in an insertion of energy, a energy, a
(10:18):
point where the energy expanded, and if the Big Bang happened,
if the Big Bang happened, which is our currently our
best model, uh, there was energy input and it's going
to go and move like that. It's going to continue
to grow and expand and then we'll see what happens
after that. Yeah, if we want to space out a
little bit, I know this is a tangent, but then
(10:38):
we could also look at it, um, look at the
universe from a bigger, bigger picture than the Big Bang,
and that would be like the big Bang and then
a big crunch, then another big bang. So this series
of oscillating universe, if you will, universe is I guess,
or it's one big wave. Man, it's one crest and
(11:00):
comes back down. Yeah. Man, True Detective second season, please
get here faster. Well, we'll see what they say. Uh
if they If they have that, wouldn't it be cool
if Rust made a cameo. Oh please. I don't think
he can though, because a different time period. Okay, well,
no spoilers. If you haven't watched it, check it out.
(11:22):
Uh without kids in the room, dude. We shouldn't start
getting paid to do that kind of thing, talking about
shows that we yeah, I love. How do we do that?
I don't know. I feel like it's payment enough for
us to do it that way, because if someone was
paying us to say that we like to show that
we didn't like. Yeah, if that's that's not I don't
(11:44):
know if I'd be comfortable doing. And that's not going
to happen. So we are not being paid to indoors, true, detective.
We just enjoy it, right, Yeah, sorry about that us.
But anyhow, so ry there he is and you're saying, no,
you guys are being dicks. This is not a perpetual
motion machine because it's receiving external energy from this unidentified
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source that modern human beings have yet to use. And
it's called it's it might be confusing for some of
us right now to hear it called alternately a radiant
energy device. And we're describing these antennas, these semiconductors and stuff.
But why is it called a valve? What's called a
valve because the most important part of it is this valve? Right,
(12:35):
so alright, bear with us here. Okay, So the valve itself,
it's made of this kind of quote, a mixture of
tribo luminescent zinc, a semiconductor material, and a radioactive or
fissile material formed in a rounded pellet inside a tube. Yeah,
(12:55):
and we're gonna keep going with some quotations here for
for the descript of this this alleged machine. So the
antenna on the Murray device could vary, but they were
always going to be built out of some highly conductive metal,
and the valve inside was functioning as a diode or
(13:16):
deode of sort. Right, And so here's the part where
it gets suited science, if it hasn't already for all
the for all the physics majors who are already throwing room. Yeah,
I get ready reset your eyes because they may roll
pretty crazily here. Um. So, according to Murray, when the
machine was tuned to the resonance of zero point energy
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in the area, this energy flowed through the antenna and
to the valve. The valve acted kind of as a
one way gate, so it trapped the energy feeding the
load of the machine once the me This meant that
the matter in the vicinity of the machine was out
of equilibrium and the zero point energy was not returning,
(14:00):
creating an energy vacuum. So to restore this equilibrium, energy
would flow towards the vacuum and in the process created
greater capacity for this vale to pump electricity. Alright, alright,
I'm right, so it's again. I'll take another water example. Okay,
(14:20):
so think of a water wheel. That's a very clever invention.
It's not a perpetual motion machine, and it's powered by
an external source of energy, right, water moving. So when
uh when this, when the water from a streamer, creek
or whatever hits the water wheel, it fills up the
series of ferris wheel things right in the on the wheel.
(14:43):
And I'm sure there's a specific name for them, you guys.
I'm sorry, I'm usually better at these. And then um,
the motion of the water pushes the wheel and then
the weight of the water returning brings it back down.
So it's kind of a a loop in that regard.
That's the idea, I guess. So with invisible cosmic ag
(15:04):
yeah exactly, and uh yeah, and of course then in
this case it would be the idea of an energy
vacuum rather than gravity powering part of the process. But
here's the thing, we don't know. We can't no matter
how many times it was demonstrated back then, we will
never get to see that device in action. That's correct.
(15:27):
That's because it was destroyed and it was reportedly because
more basically, he decided not to sell it um and
he didn't want to disclose the plans to build one
of these things. Um so either either the big business
quote big business like Bell Laboratories, or anyone interested in
(15:47):
energy and monetizing it um or communists Russia up, perhaps
somebody somebody. He didn't want someone to get their hands
on it. Yeah, allegedly. And anyway, today's children are still
trying to figure out how to use this device and
to recreate it. Oh, I have some interesting let's call
(16:08):
them again bar stories about about how this went down.
So that's really what the show is, by the way,
bar stories. Yeah, we're podcasting from we turned the audio
studio into a bar. Nole's got this button that he pushes, Uh,
the Killer tender Man, he's really good. Yeah, and the
shelves flip. Yeah, and we have we have all sorts
(16:32):
of drinks that right, and drinks that you thought weren't real,
things like that Victory jin from It is terrible. It's
so it's so bad. Winston was right, it's not cool.
But but we have other things. So anyway, here we
are in a bar, where where else would be more
appropriate for the stories that we're about to say. So
(16:56):
the story goes that Murray was we talked about this
in our episode, that Murray was involved with something called
the Rural Electrification Agency or association or service and they
were infiltrated by uh the reds. If I could have
some dramatic music mill, Yeah, they totally just infiltrated. Perfect,
(17:17):
We just got infiltrated. That was how good that was so?
Uh His assistant turned out to be one of these
communist agents, and it was apparently his assistant who destroyed it.
But Murray also said that he his wife, and his
children were harassed and threatened by people who wanted to
give up the technology because it could be weaponized. You know,
(17:40):
that's a common theme. Uh with new forms of energy,
new forms of harnessing energy, the idea of persecution be yeah,
being harassed by some external force. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Yeah, we'll get that. So. Uh So
we do know that one of the first things should
do if you're an entering that day in age and
(18:01):
you want to legitimize yourself so you're not just you know,
doctor Pede slickawilly selling snake oil or whatever. I don't know,
it's sounded made up and uh he uh. We we
do know that Murray applied for a patent. You go
to the patent office, you lock your idea down. But
(18:22):
he was not given a patent um for two reasons. First,
the device used a cold cathode rather than a hot one,
which scientific understanding the day said, a cold cathode would
be silly, who are you, doctor, slickawilly? And second, um
Ray could not as as you said earlier, man, he
couldn't define the source or nature of this energy. Well, yeah,
(18:45):
and maybe that's the nature of discovering a new form
of energy. You can't really describe it unless you've given
a name, or maybe it wasn't real anyway. Yeah, so
let's get into a conc up t here that we're
going to talk about in our upcoming episode. Something called
zero point energy. Oh yeah, what the hell is it? Right? Well,
(19:10):
according to Scientific American, this is a real thing, and
it's just an unavoidable part of quantum physics. And people
have been studying this since the nineteen twenties and basically
since the discovery of quantum physics. Okay, and we've got
we've got a quotation here from that article, uh by
(19:32):
a fellow named John o'beben in Obinnen a material science
researcher at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, and he's
got a pretty good explanation of zero point right. He says,
zero point energy refers to random quantum fluctuations in the
electromagnetic and other force fields that are present everywhere in
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the vacuum. In other words, an empty vacuum is actually
a seething cauldron of energy. This energy is present even
at the absolute zero temperature negative two and seventy three celsius,
and of course, even when no matter is present. The
effect of these vacuum fields has been detected just barely.
The effect is very tiny by the attraction they induce
(20:15):
in a capacitor, which is really just too close. Parallel
metal plates. So, uh, two plates together, and then you
can detect a chain or what is it? I really don't.
I can't wrap my head around it, but you can.
You can detect that there is energy or movement of
some sort between the two plates and the so. So,
(20:39):
I guess what we're saying is that zero point energy
has that cool name. Uh, not just because it's a
cool name, but because it is meant to describe the
lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system can have
after all of the other energy is removed. Yea, even
in a vacuum. Right, So scientists still don't completely understand
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the nature of this, but it is real and you know,
for um, for our physics majors who have maybe destroyed
your apartment in anger listening to this or cracked or dashboard. Um,
we we hope that this is a little bit of
a light at the end of the tunnel. And also, honestly,
(21:22):
when you get to the fringes of theoretical physics, which
we're we're branching towards with this, When you get to
the fringes of this sort of this sort of mental exercise,
it becomes very close to uh, metaphysics and philosophy. Oh yeah, yeah,
because we can't explain it yet. The only reason it's
still magic is we can't explain the old Arthur C.
(21:45):
Clark quotations C Clark body all day. So there's a
problem with zero point energy, right, Yes. The problem is
that even if we can harness this energy and make
use of it somehow, it's seems to be so low energy.
The it's the lowest form currently that we can that
we know of energy that how is it going to
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be useful? How are we going to be able to
harness enough of it to actually make an impact on
human life? Okay, and here we have another quotation. The
zero point energy cannot be harnessed in the traditional sense.
The idea of zero point energy is that there is
a finite minimum amount of motion, or more accurately, kinetic
energy in all matter. Even at absolute zero again negative
(22:31):
to seventy three celsius. For example, chemical bonds continue to
vibrate in predictable ways, but releasing the energy of this
motion is impossible because then the molecule would be less,
left with less than the minimum amount that the laws
of quantum physics require it to have. That yeah, alright,
(22:51):
So so again we're stuck on the laws and the
you know, the the laws are there because is they're
the closest we have to an absolute right, um, And
I always say closest because it's almost impossible to be certain, right, yeah,
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we we we can always be ninety nine sure that
something is going to happen, but there's always that chance
that point oh oh yeah, um yeah, And here's here's
what's interesting. However, we do know that um, even the
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iron clad laws may be completely revolutionized or reinterpreted in uh,
you know, in the span of our lifetimes. If we
look at how recent the human exploration of the physical
world is in in this sort of regard, and then
over the span of civilization, let alone, you know, the
(23:56):
span of Earth itself, not to mention the unit verse,
then this is a very recent understanding that that we're
trying to arrive at. And we know that there have
been other forms of alternative energy proposed that don't have
the same proof that ZPE has. Oh yeah, we we've
(24:17):
looked at a couple of these. You might remember real energy,
which I love the R I l love. You might
associate that with Nazis and the idea that there you know,
I guess it's just another word for kind of the
same thing, being able to pull energy from yeah, yeah,
to harness an energy that just exists there. And that
(24:40):
goes back as well to that. That concept goes back
as well to the two ancient Indian and Near Eastern
societies and legends of you know, aerial warfare on these
machines powered by some sort of my sterious anti gravity
sort in paint things of them, Yes, and we uh,
(25:03):
nat and I are going to probably be returning to
some Nazi stuff in the next few months. I just
act surprised when it happened. Um. And then we we
also have talked about one of your favorites, right, Willem
Reich and the Oregon energy. Oh man, you can get
(25:24):
lost on YouTube watching videos about Oregon ology. Yeah if you.
The thing is, um that if you just focus your
what what your sexual prowess in the in the appropriate
directions and when the appropriate mindset, then you too can
change the world. Yeah can burst clouds, you can put
(25:45):
them back together. Um. But then it's lost, at least
some of the recent videos I've watched, I've lost that
sexual part that was originally there in Willam Reich sing.
Now it's just about crystals and metals and arranging them
and resonants. Now we we also we should point out
that we have we have a video that touches on
real but we have some stuff just about Villa Reich
(26:07):
and if you want to, if you want to learn
more about that, those videos are a great starting point because, uh,
something really strange. We're not gonna tell you what in
this episode, but something very strange happens to him and
his research towards the end of his life. And it's
absolutely proven and it's not a secret. So you'll have
(26:30):
to hopefully go to our website something will want you know,
dot com or YouTube to check it out. Weird stuff
happens to people who are exploring new energy. That is true.
Now it's time for us to separate some fact and
some fiction here. So here's a fact. At this point, nobody,
and I mean nobody has satisfactorily reproduced this device or
(26:55):
a similar device at that we know of. Yes, public
nobody's publicly done that. And it should be noted that
many of the things we're talking about here come directly
from more A's books and writings, and several of them
are available online. So if you're interested in this stuff,
(27:15):
you want to learn more about it, you can actually
get more A's stuff, right. Yeah. The hish his most
popular book, I Think The Sea and Which Earth Floats?
Or Uh, it's something like that. We mentioned it specifically
in our video. Uh, that book itself is not available
to read for free online as far as I know,
(27:36):
but he has several other shorter books that are um
based on lectures he gave that that do do address
this um The Patent Office has yet to award more
a successors, though from what we could find, they do
keep the patent UH current, so the application current. Rather
so they have been trying to UH at this patent.
(28:01):
So here's a fact. One of the one of the
biggest topics here that we talked about earlier is technology
suppression and it's a huge conspiracy, but it's also fact
because if you just think about the the monetary goals
and the consequences that would that would occur if someone
(28:25):
could bring out some kind of new, cheap, maybe even
free energy that could be harnessed, the consequences to the economy,
to these massive businesses and corporations that own huge billions
and billions of dollars worth of steak that you know
there isn't free energy that you have to pay for
(28:45):
your energy somehow. Uh yeah, I I assue what you're saying.
The the the idea with this tech suppression stuff is
that the world's governing powers are actively working in concert
to suppress any techno oology that could topple the status quo.
At a fascinating conversation with some folks about this a
(29:06):
long time ago, Matt um over at Georgia Tech and
the idea was you know, at this time, I was
I was pretty skeptical still of the idea of global
tech suppression. I can see it happening in some countries,
but not for extended period of time across the world.
And I was talking to this a friend of mine
(29:28):
who said that he believed it definitely does happen. And furthermore,
here's where he got weird. He said it should happen
because something as disruptive as free energy, you know, which
people are literally dying to pay for now, Uh, something
that fundamental to the current economic system becoming free. Being
(29:51):
out of that system would uh cripple economy. So people
that free power, but they wouldn't be able to get food,
or they wouldn't be able to find shelter. And while
I see that argument, I think that it is self
serving and shortsighted if this stuff is true. And that's
this This part, by the way, guys, is entirely my opinion.
(30:14):
But the concept is frightening, the concept that there would
be uh some group of interest that would rather the
world exists as a place of suffering, inequality and artificial
scarcity of resource is UM is just it's horrifying. I mean,
you know, it's not even a rain in hell versus
(30:36):
serve in heaven thing. It's a rain in hell versus
be a regular person bright, Yeah, in a slightly better world.
So it's been alleged sence ancient times. You know, you
can read about people saying that the wheel was repressed
in some cultures. UM. Well, nowadays it's not that hard
(30:56):
of a task to suppress technology because of our patent system.
If you control the patents, then you control the system,
you know, I mean in my eyes at least, especially
with some of these secretive patents that exist. Yeah, let's
jump in like that's what we should definitely end our
episode on here. So skeptics they say that there couldn't
(31:18):
be and I've been one of these before, they say
that there couldn't be a UM an effective suppression campaign
nowadays there are too many people that would be required
to keep this secret. And then also, if you were
one of these governing interests, wouldn't you want to monetize
the new tech? Wouldn't you want to UM make money?
And also, hey, be the guy who saves the world
(31:41):
or the lady who gets the Nobel Prize for completely
changing the world of physics. We um, I mean it's
a it's a really good point to make. People who
support the idea of suppression would then note what happened
with Warncliffe Tower. But anyway, I just wanted to step
into paint the scene. Now. It's fine, that's really fine.
I didn't mean to jump to past. No no, no, no, Well,
(32:02):
tell me tell me what's up with tell me what's
up with patents, because this is something that we always
try to point out, you and I because a lot
of people don't know this, and everybody should know this. Okay, So,
according to New Scientists UM, from two thousand eight, in
the year two thousand eight till the end of September
in that year, a total of sixty eight new U
(32:23):
S inventions were made secret, but only twenty two of
them against fifty three from the previous year, came from
what the U S Patent and Trademark Office calls John does.
These are a private US citizens who invent some kind
of thing and then apply for a patent, you know,
like somebody makes them in their garage, like a true inventor.
(32:45):
And this is not just in the United States, technological
suppression is real. It is legal. You can get a
gag order if you invent something. So in fifteen NATO
countries and also Australian New Zealand, if you and something
you can see, your invention become subject to government secrecy.
(33:07):
Often you might not ever see it again for any
useful time frame. And that's because if someone sees this
invention as a threat to national security, its publication is
legally suppressed until such a time as the threat is
deemed to have laps and right, you can't even tell
people that your invention has been suppressed. So, um, this
(33:32):
has this has some really interesting comparisons here. Um, if
we look at how many patents are under wraps that
we've we being um, the US the public, We've figured
out about how many have been applied and put under
this gag order stuff. Do you want to hear the number?
(33:53):
It's huge. Five thousand and two estimated patents that have
been kept under wraps. Five thousand in two possible huge
game changers. Okay, so, uh, Thomas Edison and about a
thousand patents, So that's uh, that's about five Thomas Edison's Yeah,
(34:16):
five Thomas Edison's worth of stuff of who knows what
it is. I can't tell you what it is, and
can't tell you what it is. Even the inventor can't
tell you what it is. Yeah, the inventor is the
one who will get in trouble. We could guess and
just get a talking to perhaps, So this so here
we are in two thousand and fourteen, and we know
(34:37):
that technology can be suppressed effectively. And when you know,
before we run off the rails and say that Uncle
Sam is keeping the world in a dark age of
fossil fuels, well what we do have to realize is
that a lot of these patents could become secret because
(34:59):
somebody's stumbled upon something that DARPA or the n s
A was already working on. You know what, I have
to say that Uncle Sam is ge and Uncle Sam
is the energy company. You know, that's that's a that's
an interesting thing too, because I mean, yeah, well that's
a that's a possibility that might be a story for
(35:22):
a later day or different podcasts. What do you think
we know that no matter what, regardless of whether Murray's uh,
whether Murray was a charlatan or a man ahead of
his time, we know that technology suppression is real, and
it's not just in the United States. It's all over
(35:43):
the world. Ah. I'm going to be thinking about this
Murray guy in this machine for a while. I really
want to know. I want to know if something works. Yeah,
it's interesting to wonder if somebody discovered some sort of
what if this is real, someone discovered a solid state
detector in their garage, applied for a patent, and they
legally cannot tell us about it. Uh, and what if
(36:05):
they're one of many? You know? To me, that's this.
The weird thing is that it is possible, if not plausible,
that this thing, if it is reel, has been invented
multiple times and suppressed multiple times. Can you imagine being
at the patent office and going another one. Gosh, I
(36:26):
wonder how many times they have to replace the patent
office the Frederick device one day. One day, these people
are just putting their last names on the same thing.
I have to keep up hope, though, because it's so
easy to spread information. Now, although you spread something like this,
you know the number of people that would just dismiss
it outright and go, oh, it's a crazy person thinking
(36:47):
they're doing this. Even if they truly was a revolutionary thing.
The hardcore skeptic, I mean, the hardcore skeptic inside of
me might even say, yeah, that's crazy talk. Uh yeah,
but we we do know that at some point, uh,
some of these things can be revealed, and we just
don't know the timeline, you know. It's it's weird when
(37:10):
you think about how many government secrets from the twenties
and stuff remain classified. Dude, there really is in this case,
regardless of whether Murray's machine works, whether it's a hoax,
there really is stuff they don't want you to know. Nice, Ben, Oh,
I don't know. That was really nice. Alright, guys. So
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So, folks, if you're listening to stuff they don't want
you to know, then it's fair to assume that you
have heard of Nicola Tesla. I probably heard all sorts
of things about him, and some of the weirdest stuff
is true. But have you heard of the subject of
today's classic episode, Thomas Henry Moray? Oh? Yes, we have.
(00:23):
You mean zero point energy? You mean the fabled thing
that has been chased for centuries. How can we create
a machine that puts out more energy than it takes in? Hmm?
Is it even possible? So let's find out what exactly
Thomas Henry Murray was up to and was he the
next Nikola Tesla. Here it is from UFOs two Ghosts
(00:46):
and Government cover ups. History is written with unexplained events.
You can turn back now or learn the stuff they
don't want you to now. Hello, everyone, welcome back to
the show. My name is Matt and I am Ben,
and we are both suffering from some kind of cold.
(01:06):
I'm not sure what it is. I think we've been
working a little too closely on these episodes been maybe yeah,
because we both got hit with the same viral thing. Um,
whatever it is, it's constricting everything above my neck. So yeah, sorry,
that's not really Look, that's not a transition. Guys listening
(01:27):
to this, We just we just want to let you know.
That's why we sound a little weird speaking of fantastic segues. Right. Well,
you know one thing that is funny is that whenever
one of us is under the weather. Um you know
how listeners, when you are under the weather and you
have a sore throat, uh, you notice that you get
the Batman boys. You know, I'm not wearing hockey pads
(01:49):
or whatever that line was. But yes, today we returned
to you, having narrowly avoided death's door and still not
quite up to Uh, we couldn't We couldn't wait to
get back onto the podcast and to talk about a
subject that was fascinating from the moment you introduced it, Matt,
(02:12):
And this one is something that you came up with.
Could you give us an introduction here? Sure? This week
we've been looking at suppressed energy. We started with Tesla,
one of our oldest videos, and we're really interested in
this subject because this seems to be energy and electricity
and the gathering of it seems to be one of
the most important things that exists for humanity. Um, your computer,
(02:36):
like the computer that just made that noise, it would
not be here if we couldn't efficiently get energy somewhere
and story. Okay, so this A lot of people know
about Nikola Tesla, a lot of people know about Thomas Edison.
There are a lot of big names out there. Yeah,
but there are people who wanted to try different unconventional
ways to harness energy, to deploy energy to the public.
(03:01):
And one of these guys his name was Thomas Henry Moray.
And you may have heard of him, but probably not,
and we're going to talk about him today. Yeah, So
who was Thomas Henry Murray? Will He was born in
August in eighteen two. Let's both high five, Matt. You
and I were both born in August, not out of ee,
(03:23):
not of e two as far as we know. Uh
So Mr Murray graduated the Latter Day Saints Business College.
He became an engineer, getting a PhD via correspondence courses
at the University of Uppsala and uh for decades he
(03:43):
was tinkering with these ideas of alternative energy, following the
lead of Tesla, who was one of his personal inspirations.
So this is huge for me, as much as we
admire Tesla right now, imagine if you were not necessarily contemporary,
but you know, you're aware of Tesla and you're aware
(04:04):
of his research, and it's kind of current, and you're like,
oh man, how can I expand on this, especially if
you're bright enough, as this gentleman apparently was. Right now,
we have to get Also, you'll notice as we go
forward that we are putting in a healthy dose of
apparently allegedly's and reportedly uh so. In sometime in the
(04:26):
nineteen twenties, um Murray began demonstrating what he called radiant
energy device to various people. Yeah, okay, so this thing
is kind of interesting. It's a solid state detector, at
least that's what they called it um he he termed
he coined the term a Murray valve. And okay, so here,
(04:51):
let's just go through how it works. Been so, allegedly
it stimulates this is kind of weird, stimulates oscillations that
are already existent in the radiant energy from space. So
the energy that's coming in from the Sun, um other
stars that just exists out there from the ionosphere. That
idea of harnessing that radiant energy that's just there. Oh yeah,
(05:14):
like the the that idea of energy, uh, the idea
of some energy from the heavens. He's not the first
person to do that. No, no, he's not the last.
But the oscillation thing then would be that this energy
is coming to Earth from space in waves, yes, and
somehow being able to harness those waves. So he he
(05:35):
had a bunch of antenna that we're connected to basically
high voltage capacitors, uh, some semiconductors, some transformers, and well,
I guess we'll look at this a little later. Um,
but it means that the device was allegedly able to
convert this ambient radiant energy into some form of usable electricity. Okay,
(05:56):
So if we think about the way that a hydropower
generator is able to harness the tides to generate energy,
right yeah, Well, in that case, you've got the physical
movement of waves, right right yeah. Times Uh. In this case,
you're dealing with something a little more I was going
to say, esoteric, but harder to grasp. Yeah, if it's
(06:18):
if it's real. Uh So. One of the most popular
tests that you will hear about when you read about
Murray or talk about Murray is that this Murray valve
apparently ran for a hundred and fifty seven hours NonStop
one time, generating around fifty kilowatts of power, and it
(06:38):
had no connection to conventional power sources. This is a
great bar story already. Oh yeah, exactly. So here here's
the crazy thing. Then there were a ton of contemporary
or at least a handful of contemporary experts at the
time that got to take a look at this device
(06:58):
and they said, okay, well it's working. Something's happening. You're
getting electricity. But they couldn't explain how the heck it
worked right. And these were engineers, journalists, apparently, officials from
various UH companies like Bell Laboratories, or government agencies like
the Department of Agriculture. And someone, even according to More,
(07:23):
disassembled and rebuilt the device and got it working, you know,
because it's a solid state UH detector, So you can
take apart these things and then put them back together.
If that is true, that's an extraordinary test because you know,
even even today, if you look on YouTube where tear
(07:43):
down videos are so popular, that's really how you demystify stuff.
But what okay, so we said we're going to go
back more detail on this device. So what what exactly
were they tearing apart? What is the Murray device? Or well,
let's start with what it was not, And what it
was not was a perpetual motion machine, or at least
an alleged perpetual motion machine. He even explicitly said that
(08:05):
that was not this. So okay, well, let's talk about
what a perpetual motion machine is. I guess right. Um, So,
as far as we know, that's not possible. A machine
that you could that would not be connected up to
any at least known energy source that would be able
to create power some forum of usable work in perpetuity
(08:25):
that we that currently does not exist, at least to
our knowledge, and it cannot exist because it would violate
the thermodynamic laws right for laws describing the characteristics of
closed systems. Without going too far into this um, the
laws of thermodynamics are some of the most well established
(08:51):
laws in in the in the world of physics, primarily
because almost everything we observe, pretty much every thing we've
observed so far, seems to uh substantiate the existence of
these these principles. Now, we had an interesting moment because
you and I did a vlog earlier in the week
(09:12):
on the types of perpetual motion machines, whether someone has
invented them or not, and we had some great responses
on YouTube, some some of you, if you are watching
our YouTube shows as well, thank you. Some some of
you raise some really cool and interesting points with some
stuff we want to follow up on. One of the
big ones we got that I want to address directly
(09:35):
is um the notion that the universe itself is a
perpetual motion machine. However, the tricky word here, as I
think we say, is the word perpetual, imperpetuity, forever, endeavor
and ever. Amen. That uh, that from what we understand
about the observable universe is not is at least not
(09:57):
going to happen with our universe due to the um
unstoppable build of entropy. You can't stop entropy, at least
we can't do it yet. That well, that's the thing
there there with our universe, at least our current models,
there was in an insertion of energy, a energy, a
(10:18):
point where the energy expanded, and if the Big Bang happened,
if the Big Bang happened, which is our currently our
best model, uh, there was energy input and it's going
to go and move like that. It's going to continue
to grow and expand and then we'll see what happens
after that. Yeah, if we want to space out a
little bit, I know this is a tangent, but then
(10:38):
we could also look at it, um, look at the
universe from a bigger, bigger picture than the Big Bang,
and that would be like the big Bang and then
a big crunch, then another big bang. So this series
of oscillating universe, if you will, universe is I guess,
or it's one big wave. Man, it's one crest and
(11:00):
comes back down. Yeah. Man, True Detective second season, please
get here faster. Well, we'll see what they say. Uh
if they If they have that, wouldn't it be cool
if Rust made a cameo. Oh please. I don't think
he can though, because a different time period. Okay, well,
no spoilers. If you haven't watched it, check it out.
(11:22):
Uh without kids in the room, dude. We shouldn't start
getting paid to do that kind of thing, talking about
shows that we yeah, I love. How do we do that?
I don't know. I feel like it's payment enough for
us to do it that way, because if someone was
paying us to say that we like to show that
we didn't like. Yeah, if that's that's not I don't
(11:44):
know if I'd be comfortable doing. And that's not going
to happen. So we are not being paid to indoors, true, detective.
We just enjoy it, right, Yeah, sorry about that us.
But anyhow, so ry there he is and you're saying, no,
you guys are being dicks. This is not a perpetual
motion machine because it's receiving external energy from this unidentified
(12:09):
source that modern human beings have yet to use. And
it's called it's it might be confusing for some of
us right now to hear it called alternately a radiant
energy device. And we're describing these antennas, these semiconductors and stuff.
But why is it called a valve? What's called a
valve because the most important part of it is this valve? Right,
(12:35):
so alright, bear with us here. Okay, So the valve itself,
it's made of this kind of quote, a mixture of
tribo luminescent zinc, a semiconductor material, and a radioactive or
fissile material formed in a rounded pellet inside a tube. Yeah,
(12:55):
and we're gonna keep going with some quotations here for
for the descript of this this alleged machine. So the
antenna on the Murray device could vary, but they were
always going to be built out of some highly conductive metal,
and the valve inside was functioning as a diode or
(13:16):
deode of sort. Right, And so here's the part where
it gets suited science, if it hasn't already for all
the for all the physics majors who are already throwing room. Yeah,
I get ready reset your eyes because they may roll
pretty crazily here. Um. So, according to Murray, when the
machine was tuned to the resonance of zero point energy
(13:39):
in the area, this energy flowed through the antenna and
to the valve. The valve acted kind of as a
one way gate, so it trapped the energy feeding the
load of the machine once the me This meant that
the matter in the vicinity of the machine was out
of equilibrium and the zero point energy was not returning,
(14:00):
creating an energy vacuum. So to restore this equilibrium, energy
would flow towards the vacuum and in the process created
greater capacity for this vale to pump electricity. Alright, alright,
I'm right, so it's again. I'll take another water example. Okay,
(14:20):
so think of a water wheel. That's a very clever invention.
It's not a perpetual motion machine, and it's powered by
an external source of energy, right, water moving. So when
uh when this, when the water from a streamer, creek
or whatever hits the water wheel, it fills up the
series of ferris wheel things right in the on the wheel.
(14:43):
And I'm sure there's a specific name for them, you guys.
I'm sorry, I'm usually better at these. And then um,
the motion of the water pushes the wheel and then
the weight of the water returning brings it back down.
So it's kind of a a loop in that regard.
That's the idea, I guess. So with invisible cosmic ag
(15:04):
yeah exactly, and uh yeah, and of course then in
this case it would be the idea of an energy
vacuum rather than gravity powering part of the process. But
here's the thing, we don't know. We can't no matter
how many times it was demonstrated back then, we will
never get to see that device in action. That's correct.
(15:27):
That's because it was destroyed and it was reportedly because
more basically, he decided not to sell it um and
he didn't want to disclose the plans to build one
of these things. Um so either either the big business
quote big business like Bell Laboratories, or anyone interested in
(15:47):
energy and monetizing it um or communists Russia up, perhaps
somebody somebody. He didn't want someone to get their hands
on it. Yeah, allegedly. And anyway, today's children are still
trying to figure out how to use this device and
to recreate it. Oh, I have some interesting let's call
(16:08):
them again bar stories about about how this went down.
So that's really what the show is, by the way,
bar stories. Yeah, we're podcasting from we turned the audio
studio into a bar. Nole's got this button that he pushes, Uh,
the Killer tender Man, he's really good. Yeah, and the
shelves flip. Yeah, and we have we have all sorts
(16:32):
of drinks that right, and drinks that you thought weren't real,
things like that Victory jin from It is terrible. It's
so it's so bad. Winston was right, it's not cool.
But but we have other things. So anyway, here we
are in a bar, where where else would be more
appropriate for the stories that we're about to say. So
(16:56):
the story goes that Murray was we talked about this
in our episode, that Murray was involved with something called
the Rural Electrification Agency or association or service and they
were infiltrated by uh the reds. If I could have
some dramatic music mill, Yeah, they totally just infiltrated. Perfect,
(17:17):
We just got infiltrated. That was how good that was so?
Uh His assistant turned out to be one of these
communist agents, and it was apparently his assistant who destroyed it.
But Murray also said that he his wife, and his
children were harassed and threatened by people who wanted to
give up the technology because it could be weaponized. You know,
(17:40):
that's a common theme. Uh with new forms of energy,
new forms of harnessing energy, the idea of persecution be yeah,
being harassed by some external force. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Yeah, we'll get that. So. Uh So
we do know that one of the first things should
do if you're an entering that day in age and
(18:01):
you want to legitimize yourself so you're not just you know,
doctor Pede slickawilly selling snake oil or whatever. I don't know,
it's sounded made up and uh he uh. We we
do know that Murray applied for a patent. You go
to the patent office, you lock your idea down. But
(18:22):
he was not given a patent um for two reasons. First,
the device used a cold cathode rather than a hot one,
which scientific understanding the day said, a cold cathode would
be silly, who are you, doctor, slickawilly? And second, um
Ray could not as as you said earlier, man, he
couldn't define the source or nature of this energy. Well, yeah,
(18:45):
and maybe that's the nature of discovering a new form
of energy. You can't really describe it unless you've given
a name, or maybe it wasn't real anyway. Yeah, so
let's get into a conc up t here that we're
going to talk about in our upcoming episode. Something called
zero point energy. Oh yeah, what the hell is it? Right? Well,
(19:10):
according to Scientific American, this is a real thing, and
it's just an unavoidable part of quantum physics. And people
have been studying this since the nineteen twenties and basically
since the discovery of quantum physics. Okay, and we've got
we've got a quotation here from that article, uh by
(19:32):
a fellow named John o'beben in Obinnen a material science
researcher at the University of Nebraska at Omaha, and he's
got a pretty good explanation of zero point right. He says,
zero point energy refers to random quantum fluctuations in the
electromagnetic and other force fields that are present everywhere in
(19:52):
the vacuum. In other words, an empty vacuum is actually
a seething cauldron of energy. This energy is present even
at the absolute zero temperature negative two and seventy three celsius,
and of course, even when no matter is present. The
effect of these vacuum fields has been detected just barely.
The effect is very tiny by the attraction they induce
(20:15):
in a capacitor, which is really just too close. Parallel
metal plates. So, uh, two plates together, and then you
can detect a chain or what is it? I really don't.
I can't wrap my head around it, but you can.
You can detect that there is energy or movement of
some sort between the two plates and the so. So,
(20:39):
I guess what we're saying is that zero point energy
has that cool name. Uh, not just because it's a
cool name, but because it is meant to describe the
lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system can have
after all of the other energy is removed. Yea, even
in a vacuum. Right, So scientists still don't completely understand
(21:00):
the nature of this, but it is real and you know,
for um, for our physics majors who have maybe destroyed
your apartment in anger listening to this or cracked or dashboard. Um,
we we hope that this is a little bit of
a light at the end of the tunnel. And also, honestly,
(21:22):
when you get to the fringes of theoretical physics, which
we're we're branching towards with this, When you get to
the fringes of this sort of this sort of mental exercise,
it becomes very close to uh, metaphysics and philosophy. Oh yeah, yeah,
because we can't explain it yet. The only reason it's
still magic is we can't explain the old Arthur C.
(21:45):
Clark quotations C Clark body all day. So there's a
problem with zero point energy, right, Yes. The problem is
that even if we can harness this energy and make
use of it somehow, it's seems to be so low energy.
The it's the lowest form currently that we can that
we know of energy that how is it going to
(22:07):
be useful? How are we going to be able to
harness enough of it to actually make an impact on
human life? Okay, and here we have another quotation. The
zero point energy cannot be harnessed in the traditional sense.
The idea of zero point energy is that there is
a finite minimum amount of motion, or more accurately, kinetic
energy in all matter. Even at absolute zero again negative
(22:31):
to seventy three celsius. For example, chemical bonds continue to
vibrate in predictable ways, but releasing the energy of this
motion is impossible because then the molecule would be less,
left with less than the minimum amount that the laws
of quantum physics require it to have. That yeah, alright,
(22:51):
So so again we're stuck on the laws and the
you know, the the laws are there because is they're
the closest we have to an absolute right, um, And
I always say closest because it's almost impossible to be certain, right, yeah,
(23:12):
we we we can always be ninety nine sure that
something is going to happen, but there's always that chance
that point oh oh yeah, um yeah, And here's here's
what's interesting. However, we do know that um, even the
(23:33):
iron clad laws may be completely revolutionized or reinterpreted in uh,
you know, in the span of our lifetimes. If we
look at how recent the human exploration of the physical
world is in in this sort of regard, and then
over the span of civilization, let alone, you know, the
(23:56):
span of Earth itself, not to mention the unit verse,
then this is a very recent understanding that that we're
trying to arrive at. And we know that there have
been other forms of alternative energy proposed that don't have
the same proof that ZPE has. Oh yeah, we we've
(24:17):
looked at a couple of these. You might remember real energy,
which I love the R I l love. You might
associate that with Nazis and the idea that there you know,
I guess it's just another word for kind of the
same thing, being able to pull energy from yeah, yeah,
to harness an energy that just exists there. And that
(24:40):
goes back as well to that. That concept goes back
as well to the two ancient Indian and Near Eastern
societies and legends of you know, aerial warfare on these
machines powered by some sort of my sterious anti gravity
sort in paint things of them, Yes, and we uh,
(25:03):
nat and I are going to probably be returning to
some Nazi stuff in the next few months. I just
act surprised when it happened. Um. And then we we
also have talked about one of your favorites, right, Willem
Reich and the Oregon energy. Oh man, you can get
(25:24):
lost on YouTube watching videos about Oregon ology. Yeah if you.
The thing is, um that if you just focus your
what what your sexual prowess in the in the appropriate
directions and when the appropriate mindset, then you too can
change the world. Yeah can burst clouds, you can put
(25:45):
them back together. Um. But then it's lost, at least
some of the recent videos I've watched, I've lost that
sexual part that was originally there in Willam Reich sing.
Now it's just about crystals and metals and arranging them
and resonants. Now we we also we should point out
that we have we have a video that touches on
real but we have some stuff just about Villa Reich
(26:07):
and if you want to, if you want to learn
more about that, those videos are a great starting point because, uh,
something really strange. We're not gonna tell you what in
this episode, but something very strange happens to him and
his research towards the end of his life. And it's
absolutely proven and it's not a secret. So you'll have
(26:30):
to hopefully go to our website something will want you know,
dot com or YouTube to check it out. Weird stuff
happens to people who are exploring new energy. That is true.
Now it's time for us to separate some fact and
some fiction here. So here's a fact. At this point, nobody,
and I mean nobody has satisfactorily reproduced this device or
(26:55):
a similar device at that we know of. Yes, public
nobody's publicly done that. And it should be noted that
many of the things we're talking about here come directly
from more A's books and writings, and several of them
are available online. So if you're interested in this stuff,
(27:15):
you want to learn more about it, you can actually
get more A's stuff, right. Yeah. The hish his most
popular book, I Think The Sea and Which Earth Floats?
Or Uh, it's something like that. We mentioned it specifically
in our video. Uh, that book itself is not available
to read for free online as far as I know,
(27:36):
but he has several other shorter books that are um
based on lectures he gave that that do do address
this um The Patent Office has yet to award more
a successors, though from what we could find, they do
keep the patent UH current, so the application current. Rather
so they have been trying to UH at this patent.
(28:01):
So here's a fact. One of the one of the
biggest topics here that we talked about earlier is technology
suppression and it's a huge conspiracy, but it's also fact
because if you just think about the the monetary goals
and the consequences that would that would occur if someone
(28:25):
could bring out some kind of new, cheap, maybe even
free energy that could be harnessed, the consequences to the economy,
to these massive businesses and corporations that own huge billions
and billions of dollars worth of steak that you know
there isn't free energy that you have to pay for
(28:45):
your energy somehow. Uh yeah, I I assue what you're saying.
The the the idea with this tech suppression stuff is
that the world's governing powers are actively working in concert
to suppress any techno oology that could topple the status quo.
At a fascinating conversation with some folks about this a
(29:06):
long time ago, Matt um over at Georgia Tech and
the idea was you know, at this time, I was
I was pretty skeptical still of the idea of global
tech suppression. I can see it happening in some countries,
but not for extended period of time across the world.
And I was talking to this a friend of mine
(29:28):
who said that he believed it definitely does happen. And furthermore,
here's where he got weird. He said it should happen
because something as disruptive as free energy, you know, which
people are literally dying to pay for now, Uh, something
that fundamental to the current economic system becoming free. Being
(29:51):
out of that system would uh cripple economy. So people
that free power, but they wouldn't be able to get food,
or they wouldn't be able to find shelter. And while
I see that argument, I think that it is self
serving and shortsighted if this stuff is true. And that's
this This part, by the way, guys, is entirely my opinion.
(30:14):
But the concept is frightening, the concept that there would
be uh some group of interest that would rather the
world exists as a place of suffering, inequality and artificial
scarcity of resource is UM is just it's horrifying. I mean,
you know, it's not even a rain in hell versus
(30:36):
serve in heaven thing. It's a rain in hell versus
be a regular person bright, Yeah, in a slightly better world.
So it's been alleged sence ancient times. You know, you
can read about people saying that the wheel was repressed
in some cultures. UM. Well, nowadays it's not that hard
(30:56):
of a task to suppress technology because of our patent system.
If you control the patents, then you control the system,
you know, I mean in my eyes at least, especially
with some of these secretive patents that exist. Yeah, let's
jump in like that's what we should definitely end our
episode on here. So skeptics they say that there couldn't
(31:18):
be and I've been one of these before, they say
that there couldn't be a UM an effective suppression campaign
nowadays there are too many people that would be required
to keep this secret. And then also, if you were
one of these governing interests, wouldn't you want to monetize
the new tech? Wouldn't you want to UM make money?
And also, hey, be the guy who saves the world
(31:41):
or the lady who gets the Nobel Prize for completely
changing the world of physics. We um, I mean it's
a it's a really good point to make. People who
support the idea of suppression would then note what happened
with Warncliffe Tower. But anyway, I just wanted to step
into paint the scene. Now. It's fine, that's really fine.
I didn't mean to jump to past. No no, no, no, Well,
(32:02):
tell me tell me what's up with tell me what's
up with patents, because this is something that we always
try to point out, you and I because a lot
of people don't know this, and everybody should know this. Okay, So,
according to New Scientists UM, from two thousand eight, in
the year two thousand eight till the end of September
in that year, a total of sixty eight new U
(32:23):
S inventions were made secret, but only twenty two of
them against fifty three from the previous year, came from
what the U S Patent and Trademark Office calls John does.
These are a private US citizens who invent some kind
of thing and then apply for a patent, you know,
like somebody makes them in their garage, like a true inventor.
(32:45):
And this is not just in the United States, technological
suppression is real. It is legal. You can get a
gag order if you invent something. So in fifteen NATO
countries and also Australian New Zealand, if you and something
you can see, your invention become subject to government secrecy.
(33:07):
Often you might not ever see it again for any
useful time frame. And that's because if someone sees this
invention as a threat to national security, its publication is
legally suppressed until such a time as the threat is
deemed to have laps and right, you can't even tell
people that your invention has been suppressed. So, um, this
(33:32):
has this has some really interesting comparisons here. Um, if
we look at how many patents are under wraps that
we've we being um, the US the public, We've figured
out about how many have been applied and put under
this gag order stuff. Do you want to hear the number?
(33:53):
It's huge. Five thousand and two estimated patents that have
been kept under wraps. Five thousand in two possible huge
game changers. Okay, so, uh, Thomas Edison and about a
thousand patents, So that's uh, that's about five Thomas Edison's Yeah,
(34:16):
five Thomas Edison's worth of stuff of who knows what
it is. I can't tell you what it is, and
can't tell you what it is. Even the inventor can't
tell you what it is. Yeah, the inventor is the
one who will get in trouble. We could guess and
just get a talking to perhaps, So this so here
we are in two thousand and fourteen, and we know
(34:37):
that technology can be suppressed effectively. And when you know,
before we run off the rails and say that Uncle
Sam is keeping the world in a dark age of
fossil fuels, well what we do have to realize is
that a lot of these patents could become secret because
(34:59):
somebody's stumbled upon something that DARPA or the n s
A was already working on. You know what, I have
to say that Uncle Sam is ge and Uncle Sam
is the energy company. You know, that's that's a that's
an interesting thing too, because I mean, yeah, well that's
a that's a possibility that might be a story for
(35:22):
a later day or different podcasts. What do you think
we know that no matter what, regardless of whether Murray's uh,
whether Murray was a charlatan or a man ahead of
his time, we know that technology suppression is real, and
it's not just in the United States. It's all over
(35:43):
the world. Ah. I'm going to be thinking about this
Murray guy in this machine for a while. I really
want to know. I want to know if something works. Yeah,
it's interesting to wonder if somebody discovered some sort of
what if this is real, someone discovered a solid state
detector in their garage, applied for a patent, and they
legally cannot tell us about it. Uh, and what if
(36:05):
they're one of many? You know? To me, that's this.
The weird thing is that it is possible, if not plausible,
that this thing, if it is reel, has been invented
multiple times and suppressed multiple times. Can you imagine being
at the patent office and going another one. Gosh, I
(36:26):
wonder how many times they have to replace the patent
office the Frederick device one day. One day, these people
are just putting their last names on the same thing.
I have to keep up hope, though, because it's so
easy to spread information. Now, although you spread something like this,
you know the number of people that would just dismiss
it outright and go, oh, it's a crazy person thinking
(36:47):
they're doing this. Even if they truly was a revolutionary thing.
The hardcore skeptic, I mean, the hardcore skeptic inside of
me might even say, yeah, that's crazy talk. Uh yeah,
but we we do know that at some point, uh,
some of these things can be revealed, and we just
don't know the timeline, you know. It's it's weird when
(37:10):
you think about how many government secrets from the twenties
and stuff remain classified. Dude, there really is in this case,
regardless of whether Murray's machine works, whether it's a hoax,
there really is stuff they don't want you to know. Nice, Ben, Oh,
I don't know. That was really nice. Alright, guys. So
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