July 18, 2018 • 46 mins
Over the course of his career with NASA, legendary astronaut Buzz Aldrin changed the course of human history. From his groundbreaking work with EVA techniques to his walk on the moon with Apollo 11 mission commander Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin has seen and done astonishing things. In 2018, news outlets claimed Buzz Aldrin had one more astonishing achievement under his belt, an event kept secret until the modern day: Apparently, he had seen a UFO in space.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt name
they called me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Paul Mission Controlled decond which will be
a very appropriate name for today's episode. Most importantly, folks,
thanks for dropping in. You are you, and you are
here and that makes this stuff they don't want you
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to know. A quick question there for all of us
and then everyone listening as well. When you were a kid,
did you ever think of being an astronaut when you
grew up? I thought of nothing else. We have we
have talked about the fact. Yeah, everyone went to space
camp and me and you got your shirt. It was
too small, I know I saw that. Sorry, but we
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can cut it up and turn it into something else.
It's called give it to my child. There you go,
and maybe maybe it'll get her to aspire to go
to space camp on our own one day. Oh yeah,
and to your point, to your point, definitely being an astronaut,
thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that I think
that's a dream of a lot of people. Absolutely, it's
a dream job. I mean, just imagine you literally go
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where almost no one has ever gone before, and no
matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might seem to
the contemporary public, in a very real way, if you
are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path to the stars.
Even if you're the world's worst astronaut, which I think
we talked about on the previous I mean, even being
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the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch, right right, it's
still pretty good. Yeah, But all the other astronauts, no,
because I'm sure there's a list. Do you think they
keep tabs like Steve is the worst one? I hope.
So I've been you know, we've talked about this off air.
I've been obsessed with this idea for a while, the
idea that somewhere there is the world's worst astronaut, and
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because it's such a small group or a small community,
everyone knows it's like Steve or Derek or something. They're
getting their orders to go on the mission. They're like,
all right, this all sounds great, and go, oh uh,
one more thing. Uh, Derek's going to be on the
squad and they're all like, he's always opening his diet
coke and zero gravity gets everywhere, It gets all on
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the instruments and stuff. It's not a pretty scene. Always
hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's an
astronaut and then trying to get a discount. I mean,
a very few can actually use that pickup line and
be speaking the truth. So okay, we'll give Steve that
that's true. That's true. Steve and Derek sound like they
are in a contest. I always picture the world's worst
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astronaut is Derek. But right in and let us know
what you think the world's worst astronaut. Where do you think? Oh,
he's near the top. He's a good as a good one. Yeah,
because the level of entry is just so high to
be an astronaut. Uh. And you know, to be absolutely fair,
the difference in degree between the worst and the best
here is hopefully very small. They've got high standards. But
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today's episode is about astronauts. In fact, it's about one
of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin.
Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene Aldrin. Jr.
But you know, buzz, that's cool. Objectively cooler, agreed, objectively cooler.
That's part of the that's part of what they look
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for in astronauts, right. He was born on January nineteen
thirty in Montclair, New Jersey. His father was a colonel
in the US Air Force. UH encouraged his interest in
flight from a very very young age, so much so
that he graduated high school one year early, attended Military
Academy at West Point where you're inned A BS and
mechanical engineering. Joined the Air Force after graduation. He flew
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F eighty six sabers and sixty six combat missions and
shot down two m I G s. He was decorated
with Distinguished Flying Cross. He flew F one hundreds in Germany,
and then he went back to school, earned a doctorate
in science in astronautics at m I T and wrote
this thesis on manned orbital rendezvous. That's pretty darn cool man.
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I'm not impressed, not yet, Just wait right, okay. In
nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him to become an astronaut,
one member of their third group of Astronauts. What a
crazy time that must have been. Its la We've got
this new job. See where we shoot you up into space.
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We're gonna try and put you on the moon maybe
if that's cool with you. We actually know it doesn't
matter you're doing it. They may not have hold of you, know,
but obviously this is what you wanted to imagine getting
a degree in astronautics at that day and age in
the sixties. Now I have a question. I know nasays
it's an independent agency or organization. It's not connected directly
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to the military, But do astronauts have like the are
they commanders? Do they get orders when they're given a mission?
Is it like you get court martialed as an astronaut. Yeah,
this is a good question because they can have a
number of ranks or positions. There might be a mission
specialist who has a scientific acumen that's needed, but there's
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gonna be a pilot, a commander, a command module pilot.
It changes, I think depending on the mission or the program.
So like in Mercury, in the Mercury program they just
had a pilot, and Gemini they had a command pilot
and a pilot. And then if you go to things
like the Space Shuttle, there's a payload commander, there's a
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flight engineer. Yeah. Actually I just look this up. It
looks like there are military astronauts, but they're technically is
a funny term, on loan to NASA, and they're still
held to the standards of their particular branch um of
the Uniform Code of Military Justice for example. That's fascinating.
That makes sense though, because there's not enough of a
demand for people, right we don't have enough spaceships to
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to justify NASA having its own military branch yet hopefully. So, Yeah,
he becomes an astronaut and he gets another kick ass nickname.
This guy is so nickname rich. He gets the nickname
Doctor Rendezvous. Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, Buzz came
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from his sister couldn't pronounce brother and and pronounced it buzzer,
and so that's where buzz came from. I was thinking
he might have gotten it when he was a fighter pilot,
our head haircutter or something. Now he's Dr Buzz Rendezvous,
which is up there with Antis Toboggan. You know, as
you just pull that one out of the ether that's
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always sunny in philadelph I don't know that. Uh yeah,
Mantis Tobogan is a great one. Also a doctor, I believe.
Uh yeah, he was the first astronaut with a doctorate.
That's why he got the nickname Doctor Rendezvous. Additionally here
in this nickname because he created the docking and rendezvous
techniques for spacecraft and lunar Earth orbit. These were mission
critical for the success of the Gemini and Apollo programs
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because you know, once you get people into space, they
need to be able to rendezvous and dock with things.
Well yeah, and especially if they're going to send part
of the ship down to the Moon and then get
that ship that part back up to the main ship
and then get out of there. All yeah, yeah, that's
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a really good point. I mean, that's crazy stuff. You
think about the math behind that, and I just melt
away and you can't you can't find me for several days.
Just the precision involved and everything has to be just so,
the timing has to be absolutely perfect, nothing can go wrong.
I know, just think the heavens literally that Dr Rendezvous
was around. Doctor was Rendezvous. That's what if we get
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him on the show, do you think he'll let us
call him Dr Rendezvous or is that like a term
only other astronauts can use? He might make a face.
Have you seen his face? He makes a pretty intense
stink face. Oh yeah, he is. He is not reticent
about exhibiting his displeasure because you know, why does he
need to why does he need to play nice? He's
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done at all. Man, He's been on the moon. He's
kind of untouchable. He can he could get away with
a lot of stuff. Now, he could put out a
bad New Age spiritual album and people would still say,
you know what, it's not my favorite music. But he
has been on the moon. Can we talk about the
fact that he pioneered a ton of the training techniques
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used to train astronauts, Like, you know, you always see
them training for zero gravity work in the giant pools.
That was his idea. That his idea. He yeah, he
did the underwater training techniques. He also performed the world's
first successful space walk, which if you notice there's a
weird caveat in there, the world's first successful spacewalk. Uh.
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This was on the Gemini twelve orbital mission in nineteen
sixty six. He set a new e v A extra
vehicular activity record of five and a half hours and
also he took the first selfie in space. Yeah he did.
I love this guy. Just thinking about that. I really
like this dude. He I wish he was like my grandpa.
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Oh manran grandpa Buzz. Yeah, let me sit on his knee,
tell me tales of space exploration, adventure. Teach you, teach
you the complex science of trajectories and zero gravity, explained
the calculus of space talking. I would probably be a
lot smarter if Buzz alternate and my grandpapa, I would,
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you know, even beyond a familiar relationship. I want to
just have him in my crew. So when I take
group pictures, it could be like, oh, there's there's there's
the gang. Oh who's that. Oh that's Dr Rendezvous. Yeah,
and he's just in the back. He's not even paying attention, chilling.
He's got aviators on. He's running the numbers man. Yeah,
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he's running the numbers. He can perfectly throw things into
trash cans in an office from across the hall. Anyway.
That's that's all awesome and pales in comparison to this
stuff that he did, especially on July n that's the
big one. That's when he and Neil Armstrong made their
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historic Apollo eleven moonwalk. They landed on the Moon. He
took the giant steps for mankind in that warehouse in
burbank Um, captured brilliantly by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe no, maybe
we should do an episode on that in the future.
We always talk about that, Fellow conspiracy realists. There are
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a couple of episodes that we always kick around off
air and say we're going to get to one day.
Let us know if you would like to explore the
Stanley Kubrick faking the moon landing. Yeah, we did that
episode on the movie, the movie that we watched where
it's fictionalized. Remember that was a good one. But for
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the purposes of this episode, let's operate as though this
were a real thing that actually in fact happened. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we'll we'll table that. We're tabling all the moon shenanigans
lunar shenanigans for a future episode. But we do want
to hear from you. Let us know what you think
about this. We are conspiracy How stuff Works dot Com
a couple of facts about the moonwalk and estimated six
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hundred million people tuned in to watch. That was the
largest television audience and history at the time, and when
buzz and co returned. They received the Presidential Medal of
Free Him. Over the rest of his life post lunar landing, um,
buzz Aldrin received the Congressional Gold Medal, tons and tons
of other numerous awards. He has an asteroid named after him.
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He has a creator on the Moon named after him. Uh.
He is a prolific writer, writes a lot of children's books. Surprisingly,
it was Operation Avalanche, by the way, Operation Avalanche. That
was the movie. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And do
check out that episode if you haven't listened to it.
It was pretty good. But uh, he is still an
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advocate for space exploration. And again you know he he
went on the moon. But there's more to the story,
you see more and more people in sources will tell
you that while exploring space, buzz Aldrin and his colleagues
didn't just see lunar rocks and moon dust. They believe
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instead that he, along with his fellow astronauts, saw something
star ardeling, an inexplicable, something that, if publicly acknowledged, could
fundamentally change our species understanding of the space around our
planet and the universe as a whole. Are you saying
buzz Aldrin saw some sort of life form. We'll be
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back after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it
gets crazy. According to several different sources, Yes, buzz Aldrin
allegedly saw a UFO in space. You have if you,
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if you have any interest in stories of astronauts and
stories of space exploration, we are certain that you have
seen this pop up in your maybe your news feed
wherever you get your news, or heard about it on
a forum or something like that. Apparently buzz Aldrin saw
a UFO. Yes, and this is an not the first
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time that it was reported, but the latest iteration of
something like this came on April eight. Yeah, it was
a British tabloid called The Daily Star, and they reported
that buzz Aldron and three other astronauts, Gordon Cooper, edgar
Mitchell and al Warden, they participated in this study. And
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we'll get into what the study actually was, but a
study that revealed buzz Aldron as well as some of
these other guys, had in fact seen some kind of
bizarre object or unexplainable phenomena in space. Right with a
specific quote attributed to Dr Rendezvous, which I'm just I'm
going to have to call him for the rest of
this show. Okay, uh say, Allegedly he said there was
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something out there that was close enough to be observed,
sort of l shaped. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that attribution,
like you said, Yeah, so we'll tell us a little
bit about what what went down there? What's this skinny,
what's the scoop? Okay? So the test that they participated
in was a different kind of lie detector test and
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not the one that you might be familiar with if
you watch C s I shows and things like that
that monitors your specific biometrics of your body, your sweat,
your what your heart beat, your heart rate, and things
like that. Um, let's let's just get into it. So
I'm gonna read some of the some couple of little
quotes here from the article. It definitely states that those
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four astronauts took part and they all passed this whatever
this version of a lie detector test was, and the
experts say that, um, the results show and that these
experts are completely convinced that signs of alien life were
actually seen by these gentlemen. It was conducted at this
place called the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology in Albany, Ohio.
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According to the article, and it says they carried out
complex compute analyzes of the astronauts voice patterns as they
told of their close encounters. So that's that's how they're
looking at these And something that's really important to talk about.
Two of those astronauts that they looked at Edgar Mitchell
and Gordon Cooper when they performed this test. These guys
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are deceased. Yeah, they're dead. So the story is at
the very least coming from a misleading a misleading base
because the way it's written, it implies that the astronauts
are being analyzed in real time or that they were
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speaking to the people conducting the study, and that is
not that. That is not the case. And here is
something of great convenience. Here's another quote from the article.
Although the technology is still top secret, these studies are
claimed to be more reliable than current LYE detector tests
and could soon replace those used by the FBI and
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police pace top secret huh, Yeah, it's top secret LIE
detector technology. And Albany, Ohio at the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology.
Things can be secret, but they can't really be top
secret unless they're classified that way by a government. Yeah,
and you're not going to have somebody writing anywhere, especially
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in the Daily Star, about something that is top secret.
I guess a lot of non government agencies use the
phrase proprietary, like proprietary technology. That makes a lot of
sense for what this could be. And we'll get into
what it is in a second. Wait, so do you
wanna do you want to talk about bioacoustics? You want
to hang on for a second. Yeah, let's jump into bioacoustics. Okay,
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sounded man, It's okay. I'm I'm interested in this stuff
and I want to know if there's any I don't
know basis for what what the things what these people
are claiming, but as of right now, OCAM's razor is
pointing me in an unfortunate direction. Let's just say, Okay,
you can go to bioacoustic Research dot com and you
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can learn about the Bioacoustic Biology Research Studio that's in
Northwest Ohio. Okay, let's see it's an independent research studio
and it's currently working on projects regarding PTSD and radiation. Okay,
so that's that's interesting. Um. It has references to the
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high radiation levels present in the sky, and let's see
if you go down on the website a little bit,
you can see pictures of the studio that they've got
here there. They're recording studio essentially, and it looks fine,
it looks cool, but it looks like somebody's house for sure.
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And then if you continue going down the rabbit hole,
you'll find a thing called sound health Portal dot com
that is also related to this bio acoustic biology website.
But the we should also plan on to be fair.
Just because something's operating out of someone's house doesn't de
legitimize it. Oh no, absolutely does not delegitimize it. Thank
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you for pointing that out then, But it's um It
doesn't give it the same gravitass as if there is
spending by the government for anything like this. It doesn't
show that there's a large number of people probably working
on this project. It's probably a very small number of
employees or self self made recording and experts. And so
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the idea here at base then would be that using
this proprietary secret technology, the researchers are able to I guess,
mine things from voices that would not ordinarily be discernible
because I remember they go into medicine a little bit
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as well. Yeah, so, okay. Here at sound health portal
dot com it says what is human bioacoustics and it
states the state of your health is in the sound
of your voice. Frequencies and architectures found in the human
voice can be used to identify the innate mathematical bio
markers that represent states of health and wellness. It sounds
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a little strange, let's keep going. Frequency based medicine is
currently positioned at the top of today's alternative health options. Okay,
so we're looking at an alternative health option here, everything
from homeopathy to essential oils would be considered something like that.
And then if you keep going down the website, you'll
you'll see things like math matrixes for each individual for
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your health and wellness UM bio acoustic vocal profiling, which
sounds fascinating. It does sound fascinating. I think one thing
that a lot of people have a problem with regarding
bioacoustics would be that in other other aspects or in
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other parts of the web, it's also associated with the
discovery of ancient wisdom or rediscovery of it. There's a
quote from Sherry Edwards about this where she says novel
research supports the assertion that ancient templar cross architecture contains
math codes that support frequency based medicine. The idea of
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revisiting lost knowledge through the use of computer constructed biometrics
provides a new paradigm that will change the face of
future medicine. It sounds cool, it sounds really interesting. Secrets
of the templar Dan Brown type stuff. And speaking of
Sherry Edwards, she works with bioacoustics, and she said that
the tests that Aldrin went through um. She said that
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Aldrin is sure he saw the UFO, even though his
logical mind cannot explain it. So with whatever testing she did,
the top secret stuff, she was able to tell that
he definitely saw something. So it's not a lie detector.
It is in a way, I guess, I don't I
don't understand that it's not a polygraph. I guess is
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what we're saying, because usually when you say lie detect
it's the way you're describing it sounds like an everything detector.
It's it's looking at the vocal patterns of a person.
So I'm assuming that's some kind of spectral analysis of
the vocal like after you record somebody. It's some kind
of spectral analysis and what are you saying it It
can tell you things about your your health. Yeah, that's
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that's what it's. That's what the Bioacoustic Biology Institute is saying,
and even even unto the degree of being able to
tell you if you will have a quote negative outcome
from vaccination based on your voice. And that's that's weird
because it's it's saying they can tell that before a
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vaccination occurs. So that's the This is the institute conducting
the tests. And they said that I saw UFOs according
to Sherry Edwards. Yeah, and it says that they all did.
And if we go back to the art goal, it
states that al Warden, who at the time was eight six,
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was on Good Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed
to have seen extraterrestrials and he also believes that we're
all descended from some form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude,
it makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again.
We've been down that route hold several times on this
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show and in our Just Daily lives. Um. But you
know it's not just him. You also get Edgar Mitchell,
who also had claimed to seeing UFOs. I don't know.
He was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs
rather than just a single one or something. And then
again the article claims that through the testing, all of
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these men seemed to be telling the truth and the
whole truth and nothing. But yep, if this is true,
it's it's astonishing, right, it's mind blowing, and we have
to contain in our excitement and ask ourselves about the source.
What about this thing? Does it measure up? Are there
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other sources that confirm it contradicted? What do the people
involved actually say? What does buzz Aldrin say? We'll tell
you after a word from our sponsor. So go into
this source. We see that's also been associated with a
viral video that was describing this and got shared everywhere
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on Facebook and probably on Reddit and so on and
so on and so on. But what do we know
about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star? So yeah, I
mean it's what they do. But a tabloid, The Daily Star,
it's published Monday through Saturday in the UK and it's
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been doing that since November two of n Can we
just take a quick second to have tabloid it seems
like always a term of derision, like a term implying
fake news or some kind of sensationalized um flim flammery.
Is that how you guys see it? Well, it's definitely
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the motivation there is to sell more papers. The motivation
in any paper is to sell more papers, right, But
in this case, the let's say, the the journalistic integrity
maybe isn't as important. And this is tough to even
say about anything like this because I've never worked at
the Daily Star. I don't know what the bosses there
say during they're all hands meetings. They maybe they're telling
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the gods honest truth and they're like, why haven't we
been killed? Why don't people believe us? Bat Boy is
out there? So it is bat boy type stuff. Well,
there are different grade gradation, say of tabloid. Yeah, technically
a tabloid, well, it used to not be a derogatory term.
It's a format of a newspaper that's not as large
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and is about half the size of a standard newspaper,
and it has more popular reporting. You're going to see
more stuff about celebrity paparazzi type stuff and you know,
speculating about who's cheating on who bread and circuses. Yeah,
absolutely and in some case, in a lot of cases
here in the States, at least, when you go to
the grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids oriented
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towards celebrities at the check outline. But there used to
be back in the day. Really cool. When it's like
Weekly World Meet, that's my favorite. You don't see that anymore. No,
I haven't seen it. We should. We should find out.
We should find out and see if we can get
our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would
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you guys be proud subscribers with me to the weekly
World News. I don't want it delivered at my house.
It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.
I think we partner with them and make a new
show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it.
We should write for them. That's a great idea. We
should all get pseudonyms and right for them. Buzz Rendezvous
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is unfortunately taken not to get too far off track.
What's kind of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It
seems like they're a little more just into covering weird
natural phenomenon and a lot of these stories that I'm
seeing on the front page are not never mind got
to one six inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the
Weinstein Company? Yeah wait did she? And now I don't
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think so? Fascinating stuff, right, So tabloids nowadays have uh
an aura of unreliability. It's that's something that we all
associate with the term tabloid, and the etymology of that
how it evolved is maybe a story for another time.
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But in addition to being a tabloid, the Daily Star
is the only original source that reported this, and the
other outfits we found that we're reporting it ultimately are
going back to, at least in this case, back to
this Daily Star story. And Matt, you brought up a
fantastic point that we can't gloss over, which is that
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this is one iteration of a thing that's come up
again and again and again since the first uh first
days of UH space varying civilization. Oh yeah, immediately after
those astronauts landed, probably even before that, there were questions
about what did they actually see? Yeah, and they have been.
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Another thing that's different with this case is that people
are easier to reach now. So various news outlets from
the independent to Australia's. The Pedestrian reached out to buzz
Aldrin directly and said, hey, did you really say this?
Do you believe this happened? Aldrin's folks people responded to
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the to the Australian outfit we mentioned earlier to the Pedestrian,
and they categorically denied the story and took it a
step further. They called it unfounded and bogus, and then
they added, we don't know where it came from. They
had never heard of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never
heard of this reporting. And so the official stances, no way,
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what is that? And we can take it a step further.
Buzz Aldrin himself was asked about not specifically the study,
but unidentified aliens and spacecraft in a reddit a m A,
which is a h An acronym for ask me anything. Right.
So we have a long quote from him here, and
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we can probably just split it up between the three
of us are or paraphrase a little, but he says,
on Apollo eleven and route to the Moon, I observed
a light out the window that appeared to be moving
alongside it. There were many explanations of what it could
be other than spacecraft from another country or another world.
It was either the rocket we had separated from or
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the four panels that moved away when we extracted the
lander from the rocket and we were nose two nose
with the two spacecraft, so in the close vicinity, moving
away were four panels, and I feel absolutely convinced that
we were looking at the sun reflected off of one
of those panels, which one I don't know, So technically
the definition could be unidentified, but we well understood exactly
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what it was. So are we are we seeing a
sort of misinterpretation of the idea of a UFO, like
in the parlance of NASSA and astronaut day to day operations,
that could mean many different things, right, Yeah, that's that's
the part of it. He uh. He goes on and
says that he was I guess taken out of context
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or his statements were taken out of context, and it
goes further. Yeah, yeah, series what he says. He goes
we well understood exactly what that was, and when we returned,
we debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed, and
I felt that this had been distributed to the outside
world the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't and so
many years later, so this was taken out of context. Basically,
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so many years later I had the time in an
interview to disclose these observations on another country's television network,
and the UFO people in the United States were very,
very very angry with me um that I had not
given them this information. It was not an alien. And
he continues saying, extraordinary observations require extraordinary evidence. That's what
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Carl Sagan said. There may be aliens in our Milky
Way galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies. The
probability is almost certain that there is life somewhere in space.
It was not that remarkable, that special, that unusual that
life here on Earth evolved gradually slowly to where we
are today. But the distances involved in where some evidence
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of life maybe they may be hundreds of light years away.
That's a great point. That's like the whole Fermi paradox
thing that we've discussed on the show numerous times. So
we can't get there, that's what he's saying. They probably
can't get to us. The odds are so low. So
he's saying aliens do exist. It's very likely that they
do existence highly unlikely that we'll run into them. So
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he himself is denying that he saw an alien and
claiming instead it was a UFO. And to your point, Noll,
that just means it didn't know exactly what it was.
It could have been a million other things that were
not extraterrestrial in origin. So in this case, it seems
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that the Aldrin story may be largely discredited. We did mention,
of course, Cooper Mitchell pass passed away, so they had
to be using prerecorded audio. They should have mentioned that.
But there's something else here. What if Aldrin was not
the only astronaut to see strange things in the stars.
We know that during the Gemini four mission, pilot Jim
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mcdiviott had spotted an object he described as a white
cylindrical shape with a white pole sticking out of one
corner of it. He took a couple of photos of
it and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris,
because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right,
But other people were saying maybe it's the second stage
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of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then
in two thousand and five and astronaut named Leroy Chow
reported seeing lights in a line almost like an upside
down check mark. He later identified these as being from
fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So every a lot
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of the astronauts you see unexplained stuff have later come
back and said, here is the mundane explanation? Or is
that because the men in black them? Or is that
because someone got to them, you know, off the When
we hear that kind of story, the crazy thing about
about a group of people keeping another group of people
quiet and intimidated, it becomes it's difficult to believe in
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most cases because it's usually a matter of keeping hundreds
of thousands of people quiet. But the world is it
lousy with astronauts? There aren't that many, correct, especially that
many that have been that far out. That's true. Actually,
there was only a very small handful of astronats who
have been there far out. Have you met one? Do
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you trust them? Maybe that's a that's an inside joke
for us from a previous video where I think we
ended it with have you ever met an astronaut? But
I believe we have. I believe between the three of
us we have man astronauts pilots, though, pilots are a
different story. And there was a story that recently came
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out in UH February of two airline pilots spotted a
mysterious reflective of object hovering about forty feet or twelve
thousand meters for everybody outside of Namibia, the United States,
and Myanmar over Arizona, and the f a A, the
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Federal Aviation Ministration is stumped because these were pilots in
two different planes, so their perspective was different. UH. The
Phoenix New Times released in f A a a recording of this.
The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February
over the desert near Phoenix, and no one knows what
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it was. You can be a great article on Live
Science about this. Yeah, and if you if you call
back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes. We've discussed several of these,
especially the last one we did. We've talked about actual
Navy pilot pilots that have seen UFOs in the recent past.
So it does occur on land, or at least just
above land quite frequently, these sightings. Yeah, and we have
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to be fair because just if one just because one
story turns out not to have sand to it doesn't
mean that other stories are not true. And the last
note we can leave you with here that that will
perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole of your own,
is the following. In an interview with the BBC, head
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of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed, we see
a UFO a month, one unidentified flying object per month consistently.
But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't
responding to their calls, could be a freaky looking bird man. Yeah,
it could be a lot of things or classified aircraft.
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That's the one I'm most excited about. But let us
know what UFO incidents you think hold the most sand,
have the most grit, the most credibility, right? Which ones
haven't been proven to be? What's the old a weather balloon? Right?
We would love to hear from you. And you know
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it's no secret that space is weird. Along with the
deepest abyssial planes of the ocean, space is one of
the least understood environments that humans have ever experienced. And
there's still tons and tons of unidentified objects being spotted
in the air, under the water. We don't we don't
know how to explain them. All, it's pretty exciting time
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to be alive. When you think about it, it really is.
I'm excited, and I think we would be good astronauts.
Not me in my back, I don't think I could.
I think you'd be a great astronaut. Maybe zero. You
could wear one of those like ups guy back brace things.
Surely they can build that into the space soon. Man,
that can be taken into consideration. All right, all right,
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I'll look into it. Then we should try out. Do
they have open on open casting calls auditions? I think
it's the next uh next iteration of America's Got Talent,
It's NASA's Got talent. This is one of the episodes
about but like, how do you guys feel? Obviously there's
a lot of nostalgia wrapped up in NASA. Everything we're
talking about was this kind of stuff that happened relatively
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in our lifetime. And you guys are obviously hugely into
the idea of being an astronaut. How do you feel
about the whole like privatization of of space travel and
exploration and maybe some of the emphasis moving away from
the way it used to be done. Are we going
to see more guys like old buzz Aldrin. Yeah, so
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there's a there's a fascinating and complicated issue here, which
is the following. A lot of successful colonization in human
history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company, horrific company,
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very very bad, did terrible things. But without that push
towards privatization, it would not, you know, the path of
history would have been much different, and those expansionist forces
probably wouldn't have been able to reach the places they
reached and maintained the whole they maintained for so long.
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So privatization is the next. Also, I believe we're moving
away from states towards corporations. So it not inherently bad,
in fact, many good things about it, but potentially potential
for abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah,
but that could you know, you could say the same
about a state run operation. And a lot of a
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lot of the big players that will be in the
future space race are going to be state and private partnerships,
you know, like that it may be supported with funding
from the state, but it's owned by a private entity. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Doesn't elon Musk strike you
guys kind of a bond villain figure. He he worries
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me he's done some pretty amazing thing. I know he has.
I'm mainly joking, but as part of me that thinks
he's going to build the sonic death ray on the
moon and blow up all the poor people on the Earth. Yeah,
I don't. I don't get I don't get that from him.
I don't get it from him, and I get that
from several people amongst his peers, but not him. I
don't think. I don't think he's a blow up the
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poor kind of person. But I do think he would
absolutely institute uh an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar to
what our guy Marshall brain too. Maybe he and Marshall
should get together and get that thing go and get
Google's new algorithms up there work with them. Those guys
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are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would if we
put them in a room and just gave them an
hour to talk. They well know, if we put them
in a cabin for a weekend, they would come out
with some kind of new, weird technology. I don't. I
don't know if I would understand it. I hope it's
not a death ray. I hope not. But yeah, uh,
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that's a I think that we're going to see something
very much like the Dutch East India Company. I can
imagine leading the charge to space exploration and we have
to as a species, we have to go to space. Yeah,
it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass Effect Universe, the Giant.
They're a giant private company that basically ended up being
the most powerful thing that existed and the most powerful
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entity that existed. And of course there's another argument, which
is maybe we should just fix the Earth we have
before we go try to make make another one. How's
that going? I mean, you know, ups and downs, mixed results.
Humanity is still here. The pendulum swings. The pendulum swings
like Earth is so resilient it doesn't matter to Earth
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if human beings are gone, there will just be some
some new iteration that will take our place. But you know, collectively,
it's kind of cool for us to be here. Well,
I for one, I'm excited to get to Mars because
there's something there that we can explore that buzz Aldrin
himself has discussed before. Besides this whole thing about seeing
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aliens or spacecraft or something. While he was going to
the Moon and orbiting. He also has mentioned a very
specific phenomena or an object that exists on one of
mars moons, Phobos. It's a monolith. He's talked about it
live on air. We should go boldly where man has
not gone before. Fly by the comets, visit asteroids, visit
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the moon of Mars. There's a monolith. They're a very
unusual structure on this little potato shaped object that that
goes around Mars once in seven hours. When people find
out about that, they're going to say, who put that there?
Who put that there? Well, uh, the universe put it there,
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if you choose God put it there. There's also a
monolith on Mars that has been observed. And these are
two things that I think we should really really explore.
Here's the thing. They're probably natural, you know, if you
we of comes razor it, they're probably natural rock formations. However,
that there are two, one on both the planet and
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the moon, one of the moons of the planet is
fascinating to me and I think we should explore it.
And I'm pretty sure buzz Aldren believed we should as well. Absolutely, Look,
that's fascinating to me that he he himself being known
for someone of being somewhat of his skeptic, would be
so interested in this idea. And you know, I wanted
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to ask this question. I can't remember if we asked
it before. If offered, would you take a one way
ticket to live on Mars? That's tough, man, but you know,
with like a cool job. And let's say you knew
you wouldn't die on the way. You could give me
some assurances if it had been done, I might do it.
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I would totally do it. I would all so I
would be the one who would say, well, we don't
have to stop at Mars. You know, I'll just I'll
keep going if we if you have snacks. Have you
guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot? Yeah? Not
a fan? Not a fan, I'm not. I haven't really
gotten that deep into The only reason I mentioned is
because there's a whole thing in that show where they
I'll have to take a test like aptitude tests in
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order to become the new colonizers of space or the
new planet that they're trying to find because Earth is
not doing so well. So what do you think of
unidentified flying objects? Are they all mundane? Is there's something
further at play. Have astronauts actually seen these and later
denied them, or have they been misquoted and mischaracterized in
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt name
they called me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Paul Mission Controlled decond which will be
a very appropriate name for today's episode. Most importantly, folks,
thanks for dropping in. You are you, and you are
here and that makes this stuff they don't want you
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to know. A quick question there for all of us
and then everyone listening as well. When you were a kid,
did you ever think of being an astronaut when you
grew up? I thought of nothing else. We have we
have talked about the fact. Yeah, everyone went to space
camp and me and you got your shirt. It was
too small, I know I saw that. Sorry, but we
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can cut it up and turn it into something else.
It's called give it to my child. There you go,
and maybe maybe it'll get her to aspire to go
to space camp on our own one day. Oh yeah,
and to your point, to your point, definitely being an astronaut,
thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that I think
that's a dream of a lot of people. Absolutely, it's
a dream job. I mean, just imagine you literally go
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where almost no one has ever gone before, and no
matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might seem to
the contemporary public, in a very real way, if you
are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path to the stars.
Even if you're the world's worst astronaut, which I think
we talked about on the previous I mean, even being
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the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch, right right, it's
still pretty good. Yeah, But all the other astronauts, no,
because I'm sure there's a list. Do you think they
keep tabs like Steve is the worst one? I hope.
So I've been you know, we've talked about this off air.
I've been obsessed with this idea for a while, the
idea that somewhere there is the world's worst astronaut, and
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because it's such a small group or a small community,
everyone knows it's like Steve or Derek or something. They're
getting their orders to go on the mission. They're like,
all right, this all sounds great, and go, oh uh,
one more thing. Uh, Derek's going to be on the
squad and they're all like, he's always opening his diet
coke and zero gravity gets everywhere, It gets all on
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the instruments and stuff. It's not a pretty scene. Always
hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's an
astronaut and then trying to get a discount. I mean,
a very few can actually use that pickup line and
be speaking the truth. So okay, we'll give Steve that
that's true. That's true. Steve and Derek sound like they
are in a contest. I always picture the world's worst
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astronaut is Derek. But right in and let us know
what you think the world's worst astronaut. Where do you think? Oh,
he's near the top. He's a good as a good one. Yeah,
because the level of entry is just so high to
be an astronaut. Uh. And you know, to be absolutely fair,
the difference in degree between the worst and the best
here is hopefully very small. They've got high standards. But
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today's episode is about astronauts. In fact, it's about one
of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin.
Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene Aldrin. Jr.
But you know, buzz, that's cool. Objectively cooler, agreed, objectively cooler.
That's part of the that's part of what they look
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for in astronauts, right. He was born on January nineteen
thirty in Montclair, New Jersey. His father was a colonel
in the US Air Force. UH encouraged his interest in
flight from a very very young age, so much so
that he graduated high school one year early, attended Military
Academy at West Point where you're inned A BS and
mechanical engineering. Joined the Air Force after graduation. He flew
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F eighty six sabers and sixty six combat missions and
shot down two m I G s. He was decorated
with Distinguished Flying Cross. He flew F one hundreds in Germany,
and then he went back to school, earned a doctorate
in science in astronautics at m I T and wrote
this thesis on manned orbital rendezvous. That's pretty darn cool man.
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I'm not impressed, not yet, Just wait right, okay. In
nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him to become an astronaut,
one member of their third group of Astronauts. What a
crazy time that must have been. Its la We've got
this new job. See where we shoot you up into space.
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We're gonna try and put you on the moon maybe
if that's cool with you. We actually know it doesn't
matter you're doing it. They may not have hold of you, know,
but obviously this is what you wanted to imagine getting
a degree in astronautics at that day and age in
the sixties. Now I have a question. I know nasays
it's an independent agency or organization. It's not connected directly
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to the military, But do astronauts have like the are
they commanders? Do they get orders when they're given a mission?
Is it like you get court martialed as an astronaut. Yeah,
this is a good question because they can have a
number of ranks or positions. There might be a mission
specialist who has a scientific acumen that's needed, but there's
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gonna be a pilot, a commander, a command module pilot.
It changes, I think depending on the mission or the program.
So like in Mercury, in the Mercury program they just
had a pilot, and Gemini they had a command pilot
and a pilot. And then if you go to things
like the Space Shuttle, there's a payload commander, there's a
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flight engineer. Yeah. Actually I just look this up. It
looks like there are military astronauts, but they're technically is
a funny term, on loan to NASA, and they're still
held to the standards of their particular branch um of
the Uniform Code of Military Justice for example. That's fascinating.
That makes sense though, because there's not enough of a
demand for people, right we don't have enough spaceships to
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to justify NASA having its own military branch yet hopefully. So, Yeah,
he becomes an astronaut and he gets another kick ass nickname.
This guy is so nickname rich. He gets the nickname
Doctor Rendezvous. Yeah, that's awesome. By the way, Buzz came
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from his sister couldn't pronounce brother and and pronounced it buzzer,
and so that's where buzz came from. I was thinking
he might have gotten it when he was a fighter pilot,
our head haircutter or something. Now he's Dr Buzz Rendezvous,
which is up there with Antis Toboggan. You know, as
you just pull that one out of the ether that's
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always sunny in philadelph I don't know that. Uh yeah,
Mantis Tobogan is a great one. Also a doctor, I believe.
Uh yeah, he was the first astronaut with a doctorate.
That's why he got the nickname Doctor Rendezvous. Additionally here
in this nickname because he created the docking and rendezvous
techniques for spacecraft and lunar Earth orbit. These were mission
critical for the success of the Gemini and Apollo programs
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because you know, once you get people into space, they
need to be able to rendezvous and dock with things.
Well yeah, and especially if they're going to send part
of the ship down to the Moon and then get
that ship that part back up to the main ship
and then get out of there. All yeah, yeah, that's
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a really good point. I mean, that's crazy stuff. You
think about the math behind that, and I just melt
away and you can't you can't find me for several days.
Just the precision involved and everything has to be just so,
the timing has to be absolutely perfect, nothing can go wrong.
I know, just think the heavens literally that Dr Rendezvous
was around. Doctor was Rendezvous. That's what if we get
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him on the show, do you think he'll let us
call him Dr Rendezvous or is that like a term
only other astronauts can use? He might make a face.
Have you seen his face? He makes a pretty intense
stink face. Oh yeah, he is. He is not reticent
about exhibiting his displeasure because you know, why does he
need to why does he need to play nice? He's
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done at all. Man, He's been on the moon. He's
kind of untouchable. He can he could get away with
a lot of stuff. Now, he could put out a
bad New Age spiritual album and people would still say,
you know what, it's not my favorite music. But he
has been on the moon. Can we talk about the
fact that he pioneered a ton of the training techniques
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used to train astronauts, Like, you know, you always see
them training for zero gravity work in the giant pools.
That was his idea. That his idea. He yeah, he
did the underwater training techniques. He also performed the world's
first successful space walk, which if you notice there's a
weird caveat in there, the world's first successful spacewalk. Uh.
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This was on the Gemini twelve orbital mission in nineteen
sixty six. He set a new e v A extra
vehicular activity record of five and a half hours and
also he took the first selfie in space. Yeah he did.
I love this guy. Just thinking about that. I really
like this dude. He I wish he was like my grandpa.
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Oh manran grandpa Buzz. Yeah, let me sit on his knee,
tell me tales of space exploration, adventure. Teach you, teach
you the complex science of trajectories and zero gravity, explained
the calculus of space talking. I would probably be a
lot smarter if Buzz alternate and my grandpapa, I would,
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you know, even beyond a familiar relationship. I want to
just have him in my crew. So when I take
group pictures, it could be like, oh, there's there's there's
the gang. Oh who's that. Oh that's Dr Rendezvous. Yeah,
and he's just in the back. He's not even paying attention, chilling.
He's got aviators on. He's running the numbers man. Yeah,
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he's running the numbers. He can perfectly throw things into
trash cans in an office from across the hall. Anyway.
That's that's all awesome and pales in comparison to this
stuff that he did, especially on July n that's the
big one. That's when he and Neil Armstrong made their
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historic Apollo eleven moonwalk. They landed on the Moon. He
took the giant steps for mankind in that warehouse in
burbank Um, captured brilliantly by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe no, maybe
we should do an episode on that in the future.
We always talk about that, Fellow conspiracy realists. There are
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a couple of episodes that we always kick around off
air and say we're going to get to one day.
Let us know if you would like to explore the
Stanley Kubrick faking the moon landing. Yeah, we did that
episode on the movie, the movie that we watched where
it's fictionalized. Remember that was a good one. But for
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the purposes of this episode, let's operate as though this
were a real thing that actually in fact happened. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we'll we'll table that. We're tabling all the moon shenanigans
lunar shenanigans for a future episode. But we do want
to hear from you. Let us know what you think
about this. We are conspiracy How stuff Works dot Com
a couple of facts about the moonwalk and estimated six
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hundred million people tuned in to watch. That was the
largest television audience and history at the time, and when
buzz and co returned. They received the Presidential Medal of
Free Him. Over the rest of his life post lunar landing, um,
buzz Aldrin received the Congressional Gold Medal, tons and tons
of other numerous awards. He has an asteroid named after him.
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He has a creator on the Moon named after him. Uh.
He is a prolific writer, writes a lot of children's books. Surprisingly,
it was Operation Avalanche, by the way, Operation Avalanche. That
was the movie. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And do
check out that episode if you haven't listened to it.
It was pretty good. But uh, he is still an
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advocate for space exploration. And again you know he he
went on the moon. But there's more to the story,
you see more and more people in sources will tell
you that while exploring space, buzz Aldrin and his colleagues
didn't just see lunar rocks and moon dust. They believe
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instead that he, along with his fellow astronauts, saw something
star ardeling, an inexplicable, something that, if publicly acknowledged, could
fundamentally change our species understanding of the space around our
planet and the universe as a whole. Are you saying
buzz Aldrin saw some sort of life form. We'll be
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back after a word from our sponsor. Here's where it
gets crazy. According to several different sources, Yes, buzz Aldrin
allegedly saw a UFO in space. You have if you,
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if you have any interest in stories of astronauts and
stories of space exploration, we are certain that you have
seen this pop up in your maybe your news feed
wherever you get your news, or heard about it on
a forum or something like that. Apparently buzz Aldrin saw
a UFO. Yes, and this is an not the first
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time that it was reported, but the latest iteration of
something like this came on April eight. Yeah, it was
a British tabloid called The Daily Star, and they reported
that buzz Aldron and three other astronauts, Gordon Cooper, edgar
Mitchell and al Warden, they participated in this study. And
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we'll get into what the study actually was, but a
study that revealed buzz Aldron as well as some of
these other guys, had in fact seen some kind of
bizarre object or unexplainable phenomena in space. Right with a
specific quote attributed to Dr Rendezvous, which I'm just I'm
going to have to call him for the rest of
this show. Okay, uh say, Allegedly he said there was
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something out there that was close enough to be observed,
sort of l shaped. Yeah, yeah, we'll talk about that attribution,
like you said, Yeah, so we'll tell us a little
bit about what what went down there? What's this skinny,
what's the scoop? Okay? So the test that they participated
in was a different kind of lie detector test and
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not the one that you might be familiar with if
you watch C s I shows and things like that
that monitors your specific biometrics of your body, your sweat,
your what your heart beat, your heart rate, and things
like that. Um, let's let's just get into it. So
I'm gonna read some of the some couple of little
quotes here from the article. It definitely states that those
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four astronauts took part and they all passed this whatever
this version of a lie detector test was, and the
experts say that, um, the results show and that these
experts are completely convinced that signs of alien life were
actually seen by these gentlemen. It was conducted at this
place called the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology in Albany, Ohio.
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According to the article, and it says they carried out
complex compute analyzes of the astronauts voice patterns as they
told of their close encounters. So that's that's how they're
looking at these And something that's really important to talk about.
Two of those astronauts that they looked at Edgar Mitchell
and Gordon Cooper when they performed this test. These guys
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are deceased. Yeah, they're dead. So the story is at
the very least coming from a misleading a misleading base
because the way it's written, it implies that the astronauts
are being analyzed in real time or that they were
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speaking to the people conducting the study, and that is
not that. That is not the case. And here is
something of great convenience. Here's another quote from the article.
Although the technology is still top secret, these studies are
claimed to be more reliable than current LYE detector tests
and could soon replace those used by the FBI and
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police pace top secret huh, Yeah, it's top secret LIE
detector technology. And Albany, Ohio at the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology.
Things can be secret, but they can't really be top
secret unless they're classified that way by a government. Yeah,
and you're not going to have somebody writing anywhere, especially
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in the Daily Star, about something that is top secret.
I guess a lot of non government agencies use the
phrase proprietary, like proprietary technology. That makes a lot of
sense for what this could be. And we'll get into
what it is in a second. Wait, so do you
wanna do you want to talk about bioacoustics? You want
to hang on for a second. Yeah, let's jump into bioacoustics. Okay,
(17:44):
sounded man, It's okay. I'm I'm interested in this stuff
and I want to know if there's any I don't
know basis for what what the things what these people
are claiming, but as of right now, OCAM's razor is
pointing me in an unfortunate direction. Let's just say, Okay,
you can go to bioacoustic Research dot com and you
(18:05):
can learn about the Bioacoustic Biology Research Studio that's in
Northwest Ohio. Okay, let's see it's an independent research studio
and it's currently working on projects regarding PTSD and radiation. Okay,
so that's that's interesting. Um. It has references to the
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high radiation levels present in the sky, and let's see
if you go down on the website a little bit,
you can see pictures of the studio that they've got
here there. They're recording studio essentially, and it looks fine,
it looks cool, but it looks like somebody's house for sure.
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And then if you continue going down the rabbit hole,
you'll find a thing called sound health Portal dot com
that is also related to this bio acoustic biology website.
But the we should also plan on to be fair.
Just because something's operating out of someone's house doesn't de
legitimize it. Oh no, absolutely does not delegitimize it. Thank
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you for pointing that out then, But it's um It
doesn't give it the same gravitass as if there is
spending by the government for anything like this. It doesn't
show that there's a large number of people probably working
on this project. It's probably a very small number of
employees or self self made recording and experts. And so
(19:32):
the idea here at base then would be that using
this proprietary secret technology, the researchers are able to I guess,
mine things from voices that would not ordinarily be discernible
because I remember they go into medicine a little bit
(19:53):
as well. Yeah, so, okay. Here at sound health portal
dot com it says what is human bioacoustics and it
states the state of your health is in the sound
of your voice. Frequencies and architectures found in the human
voice can be used to identify the innate mathematical bio
markers that represent states of health and wellness. It sounds
(20:14):
a little strange, let's keep going. Frequency based medicine is
currently positioned at the top of today's alternative health options. Okay,
so we're looking at an alternative health option here, everything
from homeopathy to essential oils would be considered something like that.
And then if you keep going down the website, you'll
you'll see things like math matrixes for each individual for
(20:37):
your health and wellness UM bio acoustic vocal profiling, which
sounds fascinating. It does sound fascinating. I think one thing
that a lot of people have a problem with regarding
bioacoustics would be that in other other aspects or in
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other parts of the web, it's also associated with the
discovery of ancient wisdom or rediscovery of it. There's a
quote from Sherry Edwards about this where she says novel
research supports the assertion that ancient templar cross architecture contains
math codes that support frequency based medicine. The idea of
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revisiting lost knowledge through the use of computer constructed biometrics
provides a new paradigm that will change the face of
future medicine. It sounds cool, it sounds really interesting. Secrets
of the templar Dan Brown type stuff. And speaking of
Sherry Edwards, she works with bioacoustics, and she said that
the tests that Aldrin went through um. She said that
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Aldrin is sure he saw the UFO, even though his
logical mind cannot explain it. So with whatever testing she did,
the top secret stuff, she was able to tell that
he definitely saw something. So it's not a lie detector.
It is in a way, I guess, I don't I
don't understand that it's not a polygraph. I guess is
(22:03):
what we're saying, because usually when you say lie detect
it's the way you're describing it sounds like an everything detector.
It's it's looking at the vocal patterns of a person.
So I'm assuming that's some kind of spectral analysis of
the vocal like after you record somebody. It's some kind
of spectral analysis and what are you saying it It
can tell you things about your your health. Yeah, that's
(22:25):
that's what it's. That's what the Bioacoustic Biology Institute is saying,
and even even unto the degree of being able to
tell you if you will have a quote negative outcome
from vaccination based on your voice. And that's that's weird
because it's it's saying they can tell that before a
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vaccination occurs. So that's the This is the institute conducting
the tests. And they said that I saw UFOs according
to Sherry Edwards. Yeah, and it says that they all did.
And if we go back to the art goal, it
states that al Warden, who at the time was eight six,
(23:05):
was on Good Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed
to have seen extraterrestrials and he also believes that we're
all descended from some form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude,
it makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again.
We've been down that route hold several times on this
(23:27):
show and in our Just Daily lives. Um. But you
know it's not just him. You also get Edgar Mitchell,
who also had claimed to seeing UFOs. I don't know.
He was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs
rather than just a single one or something. And then
again the article claims that through the testing, all of
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these men seemed to be telling the truth and the
whole truth and nothing. But yep, if this is true,
it's it's astonishing, right, it's mind blowing, and we have
to contain in our excitement and ask ourselves about the source.
What about this thing? Does it measure up? Are there
(24:08):
other sources that confirm it contradicted? What do the people
involved actually say? What does buzz Aldrin say? We'll tell
you after a word from our sponsor. So go into
this source. We see that's also been associated with a
viral video that was describing this and got shared everywhere
(24:34):
on Facebook and probably on Reddit and so on and
so on and so on. But what do we know
about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star? So yeah, I
mean it's what they do. But a tabloid, The Daily Star,
it's published Monday through Saturday in the UK and it's
(24:55):
been doing that since November two of n Can we
just take a quick second to have tabloid it seems
like always a term of derision, like a term implying
fake news or some kind of sensationalized um flim flammery.
Is that how you guys see it? Well, it's definitely
(25:18):
the motivation there is to sell more papers. The motivation
in any paper is to sell more papers, right, But
in this case, the let's say, the the journalistic integrity
maybe isn't as important. And this is tough to even
say about anything like this because I've never worked at
the Daily Star. I don't know what the bosses there
say during they're all hands meetings. They maybe they're telling
(25:41):
the gods honest truth and they're like, why haven't we
been killed? Why don't people believe us? Bat Boy is
out there? So it is bat boy type stuff. Well,
there are different grade gradation, say of tabloid. Yeah, technically
a tabloid, well, it used to not be a derogatory term.
It's a format of a newspaper that's not as large
(26:04):
and is about half the size of a standard newspaper,
and it has more popular reporting. You're going to see
more stuff about celebrity paparazzi type stuff and you know,
speculating about who's cheating on who bread and circuses. Yeah,
absolutely and in some case, in a lot of cases
here in the States, at least, when you go to
the grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids oriented
(26:29):
towards celebrities at the check outline. But there used to
be back in the day. Really cool. When it's like
Weekly World Meet, that's my favorite. You don't see that anymore. No,
I haven't seen it. We should. We should find out.
We should find out and see if we can get
our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would
(26:50):
you guys be proud subscribers with me to the weekly
World News. I don't want it delivered at my house.
It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.
I think we partner with them and make a new
show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it.
We should write for them. That's a great idea. We
should all get pseudonyms and right for them. Buzz Rendezvous
(27:14):
is unfortunately taken not to get too far off track.
What's kind of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It
seems like they're a little more just into covering weird
natural phenomenon and a lot of these stories that I'm
seeing on the front page are not never mind got
to one six inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the
Weinstein Company? Yeah wait did she? And now I don't
(27:36):
think so? Fascinating stuff, right, So tabloids nowadays have uh
an aura of unreliability. It's that's something that we all
associate with the term tabloid, and the etymology of that
how it evolved is maybe a story for another time.
(27:56):
But in addition to being a tabloid, the Daily Star
is the only original source that reported this, and the
other outfits we found that we're reporting it ultimately are
going back to, at least in this case, back to
this Daily Star story. And Matt, you brought up a
fantastic point that we can't gloss over, which is that
(28:17):
this is one iteration of a thing that's come up
again and again and again since the first uh first
days of UH space varying civilization. Oh yeah, immediately after
those astronauts landed, probably even before that, there were questions
about what did they actually see? Yeah, and they have been.
(28:38):
Another thing that's different with this case is that people
are easier to reach now. So various news outlets from
the independent to Australia's. The Pedestrian reached out to buzz
Aldrin directly and said, hey, did you really say this?
Do you believe this happened? Aldrin's folks people responded to
(29:02):
the to the Australian outfit we mentioned earlier to the Pedestrian,
and they categorically denied the story and took it a
step further. They called it unfounded and bogus, and then
they added, we don't know where it came from. They
had never heard of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never
heard of this reporting. And so the official stances, no way,
(29:27):
what is that? And we can take it a step further.
Buzz Aldrin himself was asked about not specifically the study,
but unidentified aliens and spacecraft in a reddit a m A,
which is a h An acronym for ask me anything. Right.
So we have a long quote from him here, and
(29:48):
we can probably just split it up between the three
of us are or paraphrase a little, but he says,
on Apollo eleven and route to the Moon, I observed
a light out the window that appeared to be moving
alongside it. There were many explanations of what it could
be other than spacecraft from another country or another world.
It was either the rocket we had separated from or
(30:08):
the four panels that moved away when we extracted the
lander from the rocket and we were nose two nose
with the two spacecraft, so in the close vicinity, moving
away were four panels, and I feel absolutely convinced that
we were looking at the sun reflected off of one
of those panels, which one I don't know, So technically
the definition could be unidentified, but we well understood exactly
(30:33):
what it was. So are we are we seeing a
sort of misinterpretation of the idea of a UFO, like
in the parlance of NASSA and astronaut day to day operations,
that could mean many different things, right, Yeah, that's that's
the part of it. He uh. He goes on and
says that he was I guess taken out of context
(30:54):
or his statements were taken out of context, and it
goes further. Yeah, yeah, series what he says. He goes
we well understood exactly what that was, and when we returned,
we debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed, and
I felt that this had been distributed to the outside
world the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't and so
many years later, so this was taken out of context. Basically,
(31:15):
so many years later I had the time in an
interview to disclose these observations on another country's television network,
and the UFO people in the United States were very,
very very angry with me um that I had not
given them this information. It was not an alien. And
he continues saying, extraordinary observations require extraordinary evidence. That's what
(31:37):
Carl Sagan said. There may be aliens in our Milky
Way galaxy, and there are billions of other galaxies. The
probability is almost certain that there is life somewhere in space.
It was not that remarkable, that special, that unusual that
life here on Earth evolved gradually slowly to where we
are today. But the distances involved in where some evidence
(31:59):
of life maybe they may be hundreds of light years away.
That's a great point. That's like the whole Fermi paradox
thing that we've discussed on the show numerous times. So
we can't get there, that's what he's saying. They probably
can't get to us. The odds are so low. So
he's saying aliens do exist. It's very likely that they
do existence highly unlikely that we'll run into them. So
(32:20):
he himself is denying that he saw an alien and
claiming instead it was a UFO. And to your point, Noll,
that just means it didn't know exactly what it was.
It could have been a million other things that were
not extraterrestrial in origin. So in this case, it seems
(32:43):
that the Aldrin story may be largely discredited. We did mention,
of course, Cooper Mitchell pass passed away, so they had
to be using prerecorded audio. They should have mentioned that.
But there's something else here. What if Aldrin was not
the only astronaut to see strange things in the stars.
We know that during the Gemini four mission, pilot Jim
(33:04):
mcdiviott had spotted an object he described as a white
cylindrical shape with a white pole sticking out of one
corner of it. He took a couple of photos of
it and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris,
because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right,
But other people were saying maybe it's the second stage
(33:26):
of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then
in two thousand and five and astronaut named Leroy Chow
reported seeing lights in a line almost like an upside
down check mark. He later identified these as being from
fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So every a lot
(33:48):
of the astronauts you see unexplained stuff have later come
back and said, here is the mundane explanation? Or is
that because the men in black them? Or is that
because someone got to them, you know, off the When
we hear that kind of story, the crazy thing about
about a group of people keeping another group of people
quiet and intimidated, it becomes it's difficult to believe in
(34:12):
most cases because it's usually a matter of keeping hundreds
of thousands of people quiet. But the world is it
lousy with astronauts? There aren't that many, correct, especially that
many that have been that far out. That's true. Actually,
there was only a very small handful of astronats who
have been there far out. Have you met one? Do
(34:33):
you trust them? Maybe that's a that's an inside joke
for us from a previous video where I think we
ended it with have you ever met an astronaut? But
I believe we have. I believe between the three of
us we have man astronauts pilots, though, pilots are a
different story. And there was a story that recently came
(34:54):
out in UH February of two airline pilots spotted a
mysterious reflective of object hovering about forty feet or twelve
thousand meters for everybody outside of Namibia, the United States,
and Myanmar over Arizona, and the f a A, the
(35:14):
Federal Aviation Ministration is stumped because these were pilots in
two different planes, so their perspective was different. UH. The
Phoenix New Times released in f A a a recording of this.
The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February
over the desert near Phoenix, and no one knows what
(35:36):
it was. You can be a great article on Live
Science about this. Yeah, and if you if you call
back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes. We've discussed several of these,
especially the last one we did. We've talked about actual
Navy pilot pilots that have seen UFOs in the recent past.
So it does occur on land, or at least just
above land quite frequently, these sightings. Yeah, and we have
(35:59):
to be fair because just if one just because one
story turns out not to have sand to it doesn't
mean that other stories are not true. And the last
note we can leave you with here that that will
perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole of your own,
is the following. In an interview with the BBC, head
(36:20):
of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed, we see
a UFO a month, one unidentified flying object per month consistently.
But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't
responding to their calls, could be a freaky looking bird man. Yeah,
it could be a lot of things or classified aircraft.
(36:44):
That's the one I'm most excited about. But let us
know what UFO incidents you think hold the most sand,
have the most grit, the most credibility, right? Which ones
haven't been proven to be? What's the old a weather balloon? Right?
We would love to hear from you. And you know
(37:06):
it's no secret that space is weird. Along with the
deepest abyssial planes of the ocean, space is one of
the least understood environments that humans have ever experienced. And
there's still tons and tons of unidentified objects being spotted
in the air, under the water. We don't we don't
know how to explain them. All, it's pretty exciting time
(37:27):
to be alive. When you think about it, it really is.
I'm excited, and I think we would be good astronauts.
Not me in my back, I don't think I could.
I think you'd be a great astronaut. Maybe zero. You
could wear one of those like ups guy back brace things.
Surely they can build that into the space soon. Man,
that can be taken into consideration. All right, all right,
(37:47):
I'll look into it. Then we should try out. Do
they have open on open casting calls auditions? I think
it's the next uh next iteration of America's Got Talent,
It's NASA's Got talent. This is one of the episodes
about but like, how do you guys feel? Obviously there's
a lot of nostalgia wrapped up in NASA. Everything we're
talking about was this kind of stuff that happened relatively
(38:09):
in our lifetime. And you guys are obviously hugely into
the idea of being an astronaut. How do you feel
about the whole like privatization of of space travel and
exploration and maybe some of the emphasis moving away from
the way it used to be done. Are we going
to see more guys like old buzz Aldrin. Yeah, so
(38:29):
there's a there's a fascinating and complicated issue here, which
is the following. A lot of successful colonization in human
history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company, horrific company,
(38:49):
very very bad, did terrible things. But without that push
towards privatization, it would not, you know, the path of
history would have been much different, and those expansionist forces
probably wouldn't have been able to reach the places they
reached and maintained the whole they maintained for so long.
(39:12):
So privatization is the next. Also, I believe we're moving
away from states towards corporations. So it not inherently bad,
in fact, many good things about it, but potentially potential
for abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah,
but that could you know, you could say the same
about a state run operation. And a lot of a
(39:32):
lot of the big players that will be in the
future space race are going to be state and private partnerships,
you know, like that it may be supported with funding
from the state, but it's owned by a private entity. Yeah,
you know what I mean. Doesn't elon Musk strike you
guys kind of a bond villain figure. He he worries
(39:54):
me he's done some pretty amazing thing. I know he has.
I'm mainly joking, but as part of me that thinks
he's going to build the sonic death ray on the
moon and blow up all the poor people on the Earth. Yeah,
I don't. I don't get I don't get that from him.
I don't get it from him, and I get that
from several people amongst his peers, but not him. I
don't think. I don't think he's a blow up the
(40:15):
poor kind of person. But I do think he would
absolutely institute uh an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar to
what our guy Marshall brain too. Maybe he and Marshall
should get together and get that thing go and get
Google's new algorithms up there work with them. Those guys
(40:37):
are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would if we
put them in a room and just gave them an
hour to talk. They well know, if we put them
in a cabin for a weekend, they would come out
with some kind of new, weird technology. I don't. I
don't know if I would understand it. I hope it's
not a death ray. I hope not. But yeah, uh,
(41:00):
that's a I think that we're going to see something
very much like the Dutch East India Company. I can
imagine leading the charge to space exploration and we have
to as a species, we have to go to space. Yeah,
it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass Effect Universe, the Giant.
They're a giant private company that basically ended up being
the most powerful thing that existed and the most powerful
(41:23):
entity that existed. And of course there's another argument, which
is maybe we should just fix the Earth we have
before we go try to make make another one. How's
that going? I mean, you know, ups and downs, mixed results.
Humanity is still here. The pendulum swings. The pendulum swings
like Earth is so resilient it doesn't matter to Earth
(41:45):
if human beings are gone, there will just be some
some new iteration that will take our place. But you know, collectively,
it's kind of cool for us to be here. Well,
I for one, I'm excited to get to Mars because
there's something there that we can explore that buzz Aldrin
himself has discussed before. Besides this whole thing about seeing
(42:07):
aliens or spacecraft or something. While he was going to
the Moon and orbiting. He also has mentioned a very
specific phenomena or an object that exists on one of
mars moons, Phobos. It's a monolith. He's talked about it
live on air. We should go boldly where man has
not gone before. Fly by the comets, visit asteroids, visit
(42:31):
the moon of Mars. There's a monolith. They're a very
unusual structure on this little potato shaped object that that
goes around Mars once in seven hours. When people find
out about that, they're going to say, who put that there?
Who put that there? Well, uh, the universe put it there,
(42:53):
if you choose God put it there. There's also a
monolith on Mars that has been observed. And these are
two things that I think we should really really explore.
Here's the thing. They're probably natural, you know, if you
we of comes razor it, they're probably natural rock formations. However,
that there are two, one on both the planet and
(43:14):
the moon, one of the moons of the planet is
fascinating to me and I think we should explore it.
And I'm pretty sure buzz Aldren believed we should as well. Absolutely, Look,
that's fascinating to me that he he himself being known
for someone of being somewhat of his skeptic, would be
so interested in this idea. And you know, I wanted
(43:36):
to ask this question. I can't remember if we asked
it before. If offered, would you take a one way
ticket to live on Mars? That's tough, man, but you know,
with like a cool job. And let's say you knew
you wouldn't die on the way. You could give me
some assurances if it had been done, I might do it.
(43:58):
I would totally do it. I would all so I
would be the one who would say, well, we don't
have to stop at Mars. You know, I'll just I'll
keep going if we if you have snacks. Have you
guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot? Yeah? Not
a fan? Not a fan, I'm not. I haven't really
gotten that deep into The only reason I mentioned is
because there's a whole thing in that show where they
I'll have to take a test like aptitude tests in
(44:19):
order to become the new colonizers of space or the
new planet that they're trying to find because Earth is
not doing so well. So what do you think of
unidentified flying objects? Are they all mundane? Is there's something
further at play. Have astronauts actually seen these and later
denied them, or have they been misquoted and mischaracterized in
(44:44):
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