February 22, 2019 • 50 mins
Have you given the guys a call lately? If so, tune in: You just might be on the air. Join the gang as they respond to some of your fellow listeners' most intriguing -- and in some cases, strangest -- calls. Want to be part of the next one? Just give us a ring at 1-833-STDWYTK.
Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,
(00:24):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is No. They call me Ben. We are joined
with our guest super producer, Ramsey Yount. More importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. You gotta be honest.
I'm LUPI I have no idea what time it is,
what day it is. This is very much a quantum leap,
(00:47):
Oh boy moment for me. But I'm glad to be back.
You guys look great, you smell wonderful. So are you
a character in Ben Bolen's body that quantum leaped into you?
Or you Ben Bowlen that is quantum leaked into a
different body because you look like Ben. That's very that's
very kind. Yeah, as far as I know, I am
not Scott Bacula, Okay, but but be that as it may.
(01:11):
We're all very excited about today's episode because this is
one of our favorite returning formats. We often say that
the most important part of this show is you specifically you,
and this time we're putting our money where our collective
mouth is, right, we share a mouth. Yeah, it's just
timeshare mouth. It sounded like a good idea at the moment,
(01:34):
full full disclosure, this was almost a ben ball and
less episode. It was we couldn't we couldn't let that
stand and then actually called in and left us an
amazing voicemail. I think from the DMZ he did. He did.
But I think you were probably already loopy then, because
on the front end of a trip like that, you're loopy.
Then on the back end of a trip like that,
(01:54):
you're loopy. When does it ever normalize to take several days? Right?
You know? I hope never. I hope never. Are you
are you like tripping right now? I bet? Like it's
an interesting experience. I mean, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it,
and I have I have all fair some surprises for
you guys. So that's a perfect sallenge. We should keep
(02:15):
that in. That's the perfect salcue. So we have, as
you know, long time listeners, we have some information that
we always want to give out towards the end of
every single episode we do, regardless of what the topic
maybe at the time. And one of those things that
we always make sure to shout out is our call
(02:37):
in line call in number that you can reach anywhere
in the world. I verified this recently while I was
trying to find a quiet place to call you guys
in the city, and that number is one eight three
three s T d w y T kree eight. I'm
(02:59):
like too, I guess, And if you call this number,
you'll just you'll hear a brief voicemail message and then
you can leave a voicemail. And Matt, we have to
thank you for driving this, for setting up this whole thing.
I set it up for this particular set of episodes.
That's all Mr knowl. So come now, Matt, you were
(03:22):
you were very helpful as well instrumental even and I
want to say this up front, and we were probably
gonna start saying this at the end of the show
as well, to remind people, um, there is a three
minute time limit on a single message, So just either
like get your story in three minute form, or just
be aware that you're gonna have to call and leave
a part to a continuation, which we're totally fine, and
(03:43):
there's gonna be a couple like that you're gonna here today.
But um, there were a few people that it seemed
like it through for a loop and they didn't call back. Yeah,
we had a couple of cliffhanger ones, right, And so
thank you to knowl as well for going through this
massive amount of messages. Know how many would you say
there were when when you opened the treasure trove? I
can say exactly how many there were? There were two
(04:05):
d And then when I got in after you had
found a bunch of them, there are a hundred and
forty four left. I got through about forty of those.
So there's still a hundred sitting there that I have
that none of us have listened to. I guess it's
my turn. It's just there's so many, and they're also great.
We're trying to capture, you know, the best of the
(04:25):
ones that we can, and then the rest of them
we are definitely listening to as soon as we can.
So what what did you find? I'm a leaf on
the wind here. This is gonna a lot of this
is gonna be news to me. Okay, I want to
say one thing really quickly up front. Um, some some
of the messages that we got were so personal and um,
kind that it's not even something that feels appropriate to
(04:47):
share directly, But I just want to point out that
the folks that reach out and let us know that
the show means something to them and that it gets
them through tough times, whatever those times might be. Um,
it's really really, really amazing to hear that. And it's
sort of for me anyway puts doing this show in perspective.
And sometimes it's so easy to feel like we're shouting
into the abyss doing this stuff, and it's really cool
(05:08):
to hear people say that we're kind of a part
of their lives in a in a meaningful way. And
I'm not trying to do a whole like Oscar speech
kind of thing, but it really is. It was very
cool for me to hear that and be reminded that, like, oh,
this show means something to people, and that's really cool,
and that's something that we've we've seen in previous messages too,
you know, and uh, it means the world to us.
(05:30):
We we often in this society have a bit of
a misleading concept about podcast. We say, well, the show
is free, but it's not free. It's free in terms
of money, right, you don't. You don't pay cash to
hear this show. Instead, you use the most important currency
of our age, which is your time. You pay attention,
(05:52):
You spend time, and we appreciate it. There was there
was one other thing, um, that didn't want to lose
is that you mentioned no, Yes, the the idea of
certain messages being very personal. When you leave a message,
if there's something that you just want to share with
us and for something that you, for one reason or another,
(06:13):
don't want to be on the air, that's completely fine
with us. Just please say it in the message so
that we know, yeah, state it up front if possible,
and just say this is just for you guys. That
that would be great. Um. And it is one of
those things in our society where a lot of times, uh,
for some reason or another, the most engaged people on
a forum somewhere are the most negative ones. Uh. It
(06:37):
really is. And it just so sometimes the feedback you
get is so negative. Having this kind of avenue where
getting these positive messages directly to us is very rejuvenating, uh,
personally and creatively. Absolutely so, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Sure we have a lot of like loudest voices in
the room, syndrome kind of situations where they tend to
be the voices of dissent. So it's nice to have
(06:58):
some voices, uh saying positive things, you know, and not
to say that some of these messages aren't, like, you know,
dragging us over the coals a little bit, but usually
in a constructive way and not unlike you guys suck
go die in kind of way, more of like a
I think you missed the boat on this thing. I
really love the show. I just wanted to put in
my two cents and that we appreciate that too. So,
speaking speaking of all of these things, shout out to Mike,
(07:21):
who's out there delivering pizzas and hopefully listening to this
right now. UM, I see you out there. Those pizza
smell delicious from here, so keep going. Like anyway, let's
get to our first caller. Yeah, our first caller. I
believe the last name is Alex. It was a little
Sometimes these get a little muddied, so it's hard to
make it out. But um, altcohol and Alex. For the
purposes of this episode. Um, he had some issues with
(07:45):
a few things wanted to add to armand Santo episode
about GMOs. Um, but The most interesting thing that was
something that I was unaware of that I think Ben
was very much aware of. Uh is the idea of
UM lawsuits surround ending the practice of seed saving by
small farmers. So here's part two of Alex's message where
(08:06):
he talks about this very interesting point number four. Also,
I think you could have mentioned how many farmers have
been sued by Monsanto for storing their own non GMO seeds,
which have nothing to do with Montanto, and how saving
seeds is actually becoming illegal. There are a lot of
legal things about having your own garden and seeds. I mean,
(08:28):
the world is going nuts right now under corporate rule,
and I thought that could have been talked about because
it's very very important. So I love a chow. I
think that's a great way to end to call. I
could never pull it off how he said, chow chow babe. Yeah, yeah,
(08:50):
I'm not cool enough. He raises a great point. You
raise a great point, Mr Alex. Yeah, he really does.
And it's something that I wasn't aware of. But it
turns out that there's a pretty and mark court case
where a small farmer was sued by mont Santo because
he saved seeds that were the offspring of mont Santo
genetically modified seeds. They're called like round up seeds something
(09:14):
like that, So I guess they are more resistant to
um pests. So they he saved the offspring seeds from these.
I thought they were terminator seeds for the most part,
that they would not be able to Most are not
Most are not terminating line seeds. I think you're talking
about the seeds that were designed not to create more
(09:37):
seeds that that couldn't essentially reproduce. So the idea of
being that a farmer would be forced to buy another
supply of seeds every harvest season. This is a little different.
This is um the case of Vernon Bowman versus mont Santo, right,
the one that went all the way to the Supreme
Court did Yeah, So this is a seventy five year
(09:58):
old Soy being farmer in Indiana. And it's exactly what
you described, Alex, and what you described the seed saving concept.
And this is a very ancient practice. Seed saving is
something you do when you are a farmer because you
gotta make you kinda make more stuff to sell world.
(10:18):
You're not being a farmer. The gist of the argument
from what I understand here is that, as Justice Stephen
Bryer sums it up, the gist of the argument is
that the law prohibits making a copy of a patented invention.
So is is a seed a patented invention? Monsanto does
(10:42):
own the patent to this, they do in the patent.
But it just really starts to get into some very
interesting territory when a natural process is considered copying or
is considered some kind of like almost corporate espionage of
some kind, you know. Uh. And it again, he it
was something that happened naturally. And this is how Justice
(11:05):
Elena Kagan something. It was a unanimous court decision to
force this farmer to pay reparations I think into the
tune of around eighty five thou dollars and I guess
lost revenue, uh for Monsanto, which seems insane, but this
was what she wrote. Are holding today is limited addressing
the situation before us. Rather than everyone involving a self
(11:25):
replicating product, we recognize that such inventions are becoming ever
more prevalent, complex, and diverse. In another case, the article's
self replication might occur outside the purchaser's control, or it
might be a necessary but incidental step in using the
item for another purpose. I think it's interesting because when
I first read this, I almost I thought it was
like a dissenting opinion, because it sounds like she's sort
of siding with the farmer, or at least sort of saying, how,
(11:47):
this is a complex issue that hasn't quite been presented
to us before in this way. So it's a little
bit difficult to have a definitive view basing this on
other examples of copyright infringement because it's a natural process,
that's what she's in acknowledging that. It makes it a
little more complicated. I do love the argument Mr Bowman made.
(12:08):
I mean, I know we kind of talked about the
self replication everything, but just having his argument saying, uh
that soybeans naturally self replicate or sprout unless stored in
a controlled manner, meaning that it was the planted soybean,
not Bowman, that created the new seeds, which is, in
my opinion, of great argument. It's like, look, the seeds,
(12:29):
they just they made new seeds. What am I gonna do?
See that's literally what seeds are designed to do. Yeah,
it is interesting, and I think you're right in terms
of how the court ruled on this issue. They made
it more a case by case thing. They did what's
called a narrow ruling because they wanted to be very
(12:49):
careful about what sorts of precedence they set. And I
think there have been this was in right, and I
think there have been some other similar cases that occurred afterward. Um.
But in this case, they unanimously ruled in favor of Monsanto,
which some people saw as controversial because one of the
(13:10):
justices at the time it was still a justice as
we record today, Clarence Thomas is a former lawyer for Monsanto.
He didn't recuse himself for anything. He didn't see it
as a conflict of interest. It never would that Monsanto
blood runs deep. I like this guy. I think he
(13:31):
is um. But I do love that they've rejected all
like fully, the blame the being defense, blame the being.
That's a T shirt. And so to our callers point, um,
I don't know of any cases of Monsanto suing people
for replicating non mon Santo seeds. Oh yeah, that was
(13:51):
sort of his point, And I was a little unclear
as to what he meant by that, Like the idea
of storing seeds isn't inherently problematic. It's only problematic when
Monsanto feels like their patents are being um infringed upon. Yeah,
there is one other angle to it, which would be
the idea of seeds transgenic or GMO seeds contaminating adjacent farmland.
(14:17):
So let's say one farmer is using Monsanto seeds. Somebody
else right down the road or across the way is
not involved in that, but somehow these Monsanto seeds make
their way to that other crop. Is that patent infringement?
Are they stealing? Is that? As one of the justices said,
(14:38):
what was that line, essentially bank robbery? That's right, Yeah,
I know it was very very strong language. I think
I think that's the blame the wind defense, uh in
that case, because it generally would be the wind maybe
carrying the seeds over. I don't know, however, how else
the seed thrower mechanism defense, the old seed thrower defense,
(14:58):
I mean someone through seeds away too far. Now here's
the thing too, To another point um that our caller made,
it is becoming increasingly more difficult to grow your own food.
This is not something that is uh so simple and
cut and dried to achieve because there are like zoning
laws that can literally make it illegal to grow vegetables.
(15:22):
There is a case in Herman Ricketts and her mind.
I don't know h E R M I any her mind.
I guess Rickets and Tom Carroll her mine. They were
a couple from Miami Shores Village in Florida, and they
had a garden they've been growing for and taking care
of for seventeen years that actually supplied uh most of
(15:42):
their their food, their sustenance. And because of a change
in zoning laws, um, they were forced to up dig
up the garden, which just seems like so wasteful and
counter counterintuitive, you know, kind of like those laws restricting
collection of rain water. Have you guys heard about those?
So in some areas it is illegal to set up
(16:04):
a cistern to collect water. I think one of the
concerns was that it was messing with the natural water cycle.
People were collecting too much water and they weren't you know, nestle.
Then then we get in trouble. They weren't getting it
from from an aquifer and drinking someone else's milk. Check
purify and sell it for a dollar twenty nine most
death check it out this episode is brought to you
(16:26):
by just Water. It's just water. It's just water in
a milk carton. It's a real product. It is a
real products Jaden Smith's company. Actually, yes, in this episode
is not brought to you by the Smith family or
just water, but it is just water. But you know,
to to to the whole argument here, do giant corporations
like Montsanto getting, you know, controlling so much of the
(16:50):
food that we eat? Is that inherently a conflict for
folks that are just trying to like grow their own
food and do their own thing. And it almost is
like it's become harder and harder to kind of, you know,
take care of our own in like the ways that
our forefathers once did, you know, because you will kind
of rely on these big corporations for everything from your
(17:11):
telecommunications to the food that you eat, and you'll need Uh.
Last point, which is a scary point on my end,
is uh, you will increasingly as a farmer, need infrastructure
to battle against the changing climate. And it's infrastructure that
think can be quite expensive to implement. So there's a
(17:31):
reason that agribusiness profits or succeeds so often in opposition
to a small, smaller farming interest. I mean, think of
pesticides alone, right, I think of think of irrigation systems.
We're in a time now where Australia, which is already
(17:52):
a super dry country, uh and also a country with
large agricultural interest, things are literally catching on fire in
austral Elliott, and in California, And in California. Yes, you're right, Matt.
So in the future will we encounter situations where the
only people who can afford the necessary infrastructure to grow
food are large businesses that can sink millions of dollars
(18:14):
into irrigation, climate control, pesticides. Yes, I hope not. Was
that the wind? That was the wind of change? Boys.
The only way you're going to be able to grow
food from now on is if you build a giant wall.
That's right, Build the wall around your farm so that
no Monsanto seeds can make their way into your farm
and you won't get suited or vertical corporate farming. Hey
(18:40):
we did did we do an episode on that? I
think we mentioned it. Maybe it was a brain stuff
that Well, you're talking about here is the future map.
I'm talking about the future Build that wall around your
farm or just you build the skyscraper and the planters.
Now people are doing that, I know, and I think
that's the only way it's gonna happen. It's gonna Manhattan's
(19:00):
just going to be filled with bean sprouts. So these
are fantastic points that you raise, Mr Alex, and thank
you for reaching out. We'd also like to hear thoughts
from many farmers listening to the show right now, like
what are some of the misconceptions that you think non
farmers have about the process of growing a crop, and
and how does a large agri business impact your day
(19:23):
to day operation? Great, hey, guys, what do you say
We take a quick break from a sponsor and then
we'll get back to another voicemail. I like it, all right,
and we're back. Okay, guys, what do we what do
(19:43):
you say we listen to a story? I think that's
a great idea. I love it that this is a story, um,
while very tragic, told with utter humor and uh just
complete poise by this by this caller, and I was
just really take can buy it? And it's not necessarily
a harsh indictment of the funeral industry, but it does
(20:05):
go to show some of the things you might not consider, um,
when you set out to cremate a loved one and
attempt to scatter their ashes or do something that seems
very personal, but yet somehow you need the help of
these other organizations in order to get this done. Yeah.
Forward to hearing this, Yeah, and it really makes you
(20:26):
think about precautions you might need to take, things you
might want to think about when traveling abroad. So this
is this is a response to our big death episode.
It is Hi, guys, I just listened to your podcast
on the funeral industry and I have a story for
you that is amazing and kind of comical and depending
(20:49):
on how you look at it. Over ten years ago,
I was traveling in Southeast Asia with my husband and unfortunately,
he died while we were in the airport in no
He went into the bathroom and had a massive heart attack.
Now there's lots of stories around that, but I want
to tell you the part that pertains to the funeral industry. Um.
(21:11):
He wanted to be cremated and I had him cremated
in Vietnam. It cost me a thousand dollars and I
had to pay in cash, which is a crazy story,
and I had to iron all my money because they
wouldn't take folded money, our dirty money. So I washed
my money in the sink and ironed it. Amazing experience,
(21:31):
um the whole thing. So they cremated him in Vietnam,
and he didn't get They don't burn at as high
as of a temperature in Vietnam as they do in
the United States, so there were lots of ashes they
burn that I was handed um was probably about a
foot and a half high by about eight inches two
(21:55):
ten inches across, and it was full of ashes, and
in fact, when they handed it to me, it was
still hot. It was an alabaster urn, and I had
to carry that thing on the way home. Now I
knew my husband's wishes were to be spread from the
top of a mountain in my home state. And when
I got home, I opened up this gignormous urn that
(22:19):
I had to carry the whole way and keep on
my body because of legal issues between countries and transporting
bodies and bloody blah blah, and the bones within the
urn you could I could still see pieces of his bones.
And I knew that if I allowed his children to
(22:39):
climb to the top of the mountain and throw these
out that I could cause a c s I type
UM incident with pieces of skull and leg. So my
story that pertains to the funeral industry in America was
trying to find a funeral home that would grind my
(23:01):
husband's bones. It was the hardest thing to do. I
had to call around to funeral home after funeral home,
and because they all were syndicated in this kind of
back door kind of way like you spoke about, nobody
would touch me with a ten foot pole. Even though
I had um uh paperwork from Vietnam and paperwork from
(23:21):
the US government in all the right paperwork to do
this bone grinding that I needed to do after the cremation.
So I finally found a local independent crematorium in my state.
It's actually the only one within all of New England
I think, um at least all within my state, so
(23:44):
we'll say that. And they, after I told them the
whole story, they agreed to help me, and I went
there and for a very small nominal fee, they ground
the bones for me so that his ashes could be spread. UM. Anyway,
it was an amazing experience. UM, and there are so
(24:04):
many incredible stories. I love your show. Thank you very much.
I'm a full time studio artist and you keep me
busy and entertained while I work. So thank you so
much and have a great day, guys. Bye. Thank you
so much for writing into us. This caller's wish was
(24:25):
to remain anonymous, and we first and say thank you
for sharing your story and we're sorry for your loss. Yeah,
And I know it's been ten years, um, And it's
just I can't believe you had to go through that
whole situation. I can't imagine what that was like in
the moment. I I have to think that it was
(24:48):
just okay, well what do I do now? It's like
you go into just like taking care of business man
wow in the airport now less. And here's the thing
that I think is so fascinating about that story. First
of all, the idea of having to of the funeral
industry in other countries, which is something we did not
touch on at all in that episode. And the notion
that you had to pay cash and that it had
(25:10):
to be literally laundered, like like ironed and washed, um,
and I just that's just bonkers to me. But then
the whole idea of having to carry around this giant
urn on her person for legal reasons. That aspect of
it is is insane to me. And then how difficult
(25:31):
it must have been to find a small and a
funeral organization small enough that they could kind of like
go off the books and kind of say what, we're
gonna help you out, Because if I would imagine the
issues that she ran into when she said they wouldn't
touch her with a ten foot pole, as some of
these uh funeral groups that are associated with the larger
corporate parent companies, which I'm sure they have protocols and
(25:55):
things that they just they won't do. Yeah, well, and
you know this is a bit odd, but just if
I'm playing devil's advocate from the perspective of these funeral
homes that said no, we won't grind up the bones
like Service Corporation International. Yeah, well, okay, just this is
(26:15):
just a different perspective. UM imagine if it was a
different story, a different person, maybe someone who's not like
our caller, someone who was a little more nefarious, who
had bones that they wanted to be ground up rightwork
not speaking not speaking about her situation in particular, absolutely
(26:39):
not and not seeing anything against her as just saying
I can imagine you might feel like perhaps legally you
might be in a weird position if you were to
take part in that action, like are you aiding and
abetting a crime? I mean, what it What it sounds like, Caller,
is that you, unfortunately, at at a tremendously tram at
(27:00):
a point in your life, ran into a bureaucratic approach
to death and tragedy. So, just like you're saying, Matt,
this is entirely speculation on my part, it sounds like
they had some existing policy that was boiler plate across
the board. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't
(27:22):
matter what what the circumstances are. This is something they're
not allowed to perform. That doesn't make it illegal for
a company to do that. It sounds more like it's
their internal policy rather than some sort of state or
federal law. Sure, and as we know, like so often,
large corporations are so averse to any potential litigation that
(27:44):
they will just go above and beyond to make sure
that there's not even a whiff of not following proper procedures,
which is why I Heart canceled my musical you know what,
Let it Go, Let it Go? Wait, No, that's not no, no,
not that that's that I I and to even give
you the titles of the songs, did it have anything
to do with a giant man eating plant? WHOA, we're
(28:10):
keeping that so yes, this is this is something that
a lot of people don't think about. We're uncomfortable thinking
about death. You know. It's the one great unknown, and
it's always untimely. There's rarely a situation throughout the span
(28:33):
of human history where someone passes away and their loved
ones say, you know what, great timing that just worked out.
It's it's um. It's an event that Matt, I think
you said people need to prepare for, and a lot
of us don't. UM. And this is also a look
into um, a completely different world culturally, a different world
(28:57):
in terms of scenarial practices, but also in terms of
business practices. This is completely different. Like you said, no,
we focused on the US and North America at large.
I think maybe we mentioned a little bit about Europe
or some slight contrasting things. But everywhere you go these
(29:18):
sorts of laws regarding creation and burial, not to mention
the sorts of more aise, cultural moraise, and social conventions
regarding death and burial. They will change. This was a
very educational story in terms of some of these perspectives
that we might not see. But it was also I
just was really taken by how good humored you were
(29:39):
when delivering this story about what must have been probably
one of the worst days of your life. But to
have that perspective and to be able to tell it
in such a lighthearted and and entertaining way, that really
kind of touched me. I don't know, I really thought
that was a incredible story, especially personally. I lost my
father um and we had him. You made it and
(30:00):
even that I think I've talked about it on the episode.
Was a big to do where you are required to
pay a lot of money for some kind of earn
or some kind of receptacle and even just for the
you know, because we were doing it on a budget,
because the circumstances in which he passed away ended up
where we he didn't leave us any insurance money, so
(30:21):
we was very unexpected. I'll still leave it at that,
And so you know, the cost of the funeral was
an issue, and we were trying to make it as
affordable as possible, and there are these kind of hidden
costs um and ultimately we ended up getting in kind
of like this plastic box of which I still I
still have. I still have some of my father's ashes
(30:41):
in this plastic box, like keep in my closet. And
let us know if, if you're listening, if you can
relate to these stories, let us know what sort of
personal experiences you have had with this kind of unexpected tragedy.
Were you in a situation where you were traveling abroad
and you lost a loved one? Um, what if you
(31:05):
are not a resident of the US, what are some
uh what what are some of the death and burial
rights moray's and laws that you think would surprise your
fellow listeners. You can let us know any number of ways,
which we get to at the end of the episode.
But for now, let's say we take a break for
a word from our sponsor, and we're back and we're
(31:34):
going to switch gears here and talk about something that
came up from our episode about Aaron Trewick, the bio
hacker who passed away in a sensory deprivation tank and
a drug was found in his system, and we had
someone named Newtie call in and left us this message
(31:54):
hey Ben Matt. No, it's nearly a long time listener.
I shouted out to you guys like, ah wait, like
a while back and that you guys put me on
the air. I can't remember what it was about. I
think it was like Planet nine or something, but anyway,
I'll just recently listening to you guys, uh bio hacking
podcast with Aaron trey Way, and I wanted to reach
(32:19):
out and this call because, um, I do have a
little bit of experiment or experimentation, like back when I
was younger with ketamine, and you guys were talking about
the whole fact that whether or not he like faked
his death or if that was like a conspiracy or not.
And I'm just saying that if somebody was on special
(32:42):
okay and going into a water chamber like the way
that the story played out, there's no way that somebody
that knowing me, that has taken that before, would put
themselves in the situation. It's just super crazy because you
lose like all functionality it completely. It puts you into
like hallucinations, You like pretty much crawl around on the ground.
(33:05):
It's super strong, and I mean I know that they
use it for like I was like doing some research,
like the use it for anesthetic uh or anesthesia rather
and use it for like chronic pain, and they use
it for tranquilizers and also like the animals for like
veterinarian stuff. But when human takes it, because are completely
(33:27):
like debilitated, like you can't do anything. So I mean,
I don't think I mean, if you're a human person
and you know about the drug and you're familiar with it,
there's no way that you would take it and then
go into even like a two foot pool what let
alone like submerge yourself in water, because you can't control
(33:48):
anything that's going on. But anyway, those are my thoughts
on it. Um. I think that it sounds super fishy,
and I really like listening to that episode. You guys
are you guys are awesome and I always am looking
forward to the next episode. All right, man, you guys
have a good night. All right, someone who has actual
(34:11):
experience with ketamine, that was some good insight for us, because,
at least for me personally, I've only read about this
drug online and its effects and never heard anyone actually
say this is what it does outside of the forums
that you can find online. An arrow late or something. Um. Yeah,
it's it's interesting to think about that drug when applied
(34:34):
to being in a deprivation tank. That seems like a
bad idea. And I think we were. I think we
mentioned that it seemed like a bad idea. Um. And
that's perhaps one of the reasons why a lot of
people thought there may be something fishy going on with
with his death. Yeah, and to your point, Nudy tree Wick,
Aaron trey Wick, the subject of that episode, he was
(34:57):
familiar with ketamine. Yes, as far as we he had
experimented with this substance before, So I can see with
that information why this would seem fishy when we talked
about the death of Aaron trey Wick. Originally, I don't
think I mentioned it on air, but it reminds me
of a strange episode as something that happened to me
(35:21):
off air years and years and years ago. I had
a series of circumstances. I ended up owning some lizards.
We have to go into it, and I got feeding them. Yeah,
I was figuring out what to feed these creatures. Where
the herbivorous, where the omnivorous? Were they carnivorous? Um? So
(35:44):
I can say what kind they were I'd rather not,
so I fed them. I fed them crickets. And I
went to a pet store to buy crickets, and the
guy who sold me the crickets it, well, are you
what are you going to do with these? I assume
you're going to buy them to feed another animal. And
(36:05):
I said, yeah, that's that's the plan. And he said, okay,
we'll watch out because crickets are stupid. And I didn't
understand what he meant, but I kept the crickets in
a separate container and they drowned in in a very small,
still amount of water. I had no idea what I
was doing, you know, I just put out a dish
of water. And it was weird because they remained they
(36:27):
remained immobile and appeared to they appeared to drown. I
I am not a you know, a cricket surgeon or whatever.
I don't know what happened, but it was distressing to
see things apparently dying in in a way of dying
in such a sedate fashion. And so I believe in
(36:49):
that episode, we concluded that aside from a couple of
troubling things, there's there's not a lot of dents that
Trey Wick was murdered except for some stuff with the door, right, Yeah,
the door was unlocked, I believe, and generally when someone
(37:10):
is in using one of those sensory deprivation tank rooms
at that facility, the door is locked. And now we
have another piece to this story, because as Nudi says,
there's not a person who has used ketamine in the
past would not put themselves in a situation. That's what
you said, right, You would not put what yourself in
(37:31):
a situation where there's a potential for you to asphyxiate
or to drown when you have lost mobility under the
influence of this drug. And it also brings up the
fact that perhaps it was a purposeful thing. And I
think we mentioned this to the idea that you can reach,
at least what I was reading on the forms, you
(37:52):
can reach such a euphoria with ketamine or such an
outer body experience that perhaps, um, dying while you're on
that drug may not be such a terrifying experience, or
it could be the most terrifying experience. Who knows, but um, Again,
it's really difficult to say anything conclusive about Aaron trey
Wick's death as far as what truly caused it. And
(38:15):
why now did he have ketamine in his system or
I thought that I remember hearing that they found it
in his clothes, like like a like a baggy of
it or whatever. But was there autopsy results that indicated
that he was in fact on the drug at the time.
You know, honestly, I'm not sure. I might have to
listen to the episode again. Um. You know, they believed
that he did have ketamine both on his person and
(38:38):
in his system into the autopsy. All right, Well, there
you go a lot of unanswered questions. They're still thank
you so much, Nudy for giving us a call. Let's
move on to a gentleman who has some information about
an exercise of sorts that occurred back in the day. Hey, So,
(38:59):
I just wanted to say that I've been listening to
you guys show a lot. I never really was into
conspiracies at all, but I love the thought that you
guys put into the conspiracies that you do. I've been
listening to a lot of your older stuff and I
came across the Operation Jade Helm episode and I thought
(39:19):
it was really interesting because I'm actually currently serving in
the Army Reserves and during one of our summer training exercises.
It was a month long and we were actually in
direct support of Operation jade Helm. We only were told
that it was Operation jade Helm. We're an ordinance unit
(39:40):
and so basically we were told we were just going
to go run AMMO. When we asked what we were
running AMMO for, they just said, we're just we're just
running AMMO. Uh. And we noticed that the guys were
coming in to get the AMMO. We're not conventional units,
so that was about all we knew about it. But
I just thought it was really interesting that you guys
(40:01):
are talking about, um, the government keeping all these things
secret from civilians and stuff like that, but they kept
it secret from even people who were directly involved in
the operation. It was one of those things where I
got back home from this training exercise and I was
talking to someone who always has been kind of into
(40:23):
conspiracies and stuff like that, and I said, yeah, it
was called Operation jade Helm, I think, and then he
told me everything about it. Well, you know, I can
I have no idea what exactly was going on in
this operation, so I can't even tell you anything even
if I wanted to. It was one of those things
(40:43):
where they kept it a secret from us, and I
imagine all the other hundreds of support personnel that we're
involved in that exercise. So I just thought I would
tell you guys that I thought it was interesting. Thank you, say,
thank you so much for calling in. This is a
This is another caller who did not identify themselves by name.
(41:07):
Correct you you may find this of interest in In
regards to jade Helm. In twenty fifteen, President Barack Obama
name dropped jade Helm. He said it is his favorite
conspiracy theory. Really in in November, I think in an
(41:28):
interview with g Q. Yeah, and while it may seem
strange to some civilians in the audience, this idea that
you may you may be a member of the military
or in support of an operation and not be told
what the ultimate aim of that operation is. While that
may seem strange, that's not unusual. You know, the left
hand and the right hand don't need to know what
(41:50):
the other is doing, correct, Especially if you're just loading
everybody's weapons up with ammunition. They're just like, just keep it, olmen.
That was one of my favorite parts of the story too.
Why are we running ammo? We're just running ammo? It's
all good, and then all the guys, all the units
show up and they don't look like conventional units, and
(42:11):
you're just going, Okay, I guess this is what we're
doing now, jade Helm. This this was interesting and fastening
for us because this was an ongoing orum imminent events
when we recorded the episode, right, yeah, And there were
so many questions. You had places like The Atlantic, fairly
reputable source like talking about this is weird, this is
(42:33):
a strange exercise. What it It's huge, all these companies
getting together selling weapons, then all of these units getting
together and testing out the weapons, um and ammunition, and
what is it? What? What really is this thing? And
then they didn't have a jade Helm sixteen or seventeen
or eighteen or nineteen, at least that we're aware of.
(42:54):
Maybe they just changed the name so none of us
would know, or maybe it's like Hines fifty seven and
it's a part of the hand. There's no fifty eight,
there's no fifty six. Yeah. The next one is called
Dark Boots nineteen. The botne uh. There is one interesting
thing that I don't think made it into the original episode,
And this may be of interest to anyone who dug
(43:18):
into jade Helm, both the actual event and the speculation
surrounding it. In retrospect, us intelligence agencies said that they
they found evidence. Again. According to them, they found evidence
that a lot of the fear and hysteria surrounding jade Helm,
(43:41):
and a lot of the conspiratorial thinking surrounding it was
a product of Russian disinformation. Did you hear about it?
There was a Facebook page called Heart of Texas that
promoted these ideas and in Facebook shut it down because
it is associated with a Russian company known for promoting disinformation. Again,
(44:05):
this is a quartery. This is Uncle Sam's side of
the story, so your individual results may vary. There you go,
there you go. Well, thank you for writing in whoever
you are. Appreciate that story and giving us a little
insight and personal view and stay safe out there, yes please.
And I really want to know more about just like
(44:25):
an ordinance crew like that, Like what does that look
like when you're you are tasked with making sure that
everybody has the correct ammunition and enough of it and
all that. Um, I've never thought about it compartmentalized that much,
where there's literally a crew of people who are running
ordinance like that, but it makes so much sense you
would need you would need that to be a thing.
(44:48):
I just it's never struck my mind as someone who's
never served in any way whatsoever. And we have a
lot of people in various military intelligence services who tune
into this show. So within the bounds of what you
are comfortable telling us, do you have some information that
you would like to share with your fellow listeners regarding
(45:10):
things like jade Helm or maybe domestic or international operations
of which the average citizen would likely be unaware? Yeah,
that is not going to uh cause a national security
incident by us playing it on the air. Please surely not.
I know, just just opening that out there because we
probably won't be able to play it if it if
(45:31):
it seems scary enough to us. But we massively appreciate
you taking the time to call in and guys, we
have done an entire episode with um what four phone calls? Yeah?
Maybe five, I don't even know. We kind of predicted
this is going to go this way, and it's like,
it's not something we can do all the time, So
(45:52):
why not make it a two parter? Guys, Let's do
it and then make and then do another one in
a few months because we're just getting so much good stuff.
We don't want anybody exclude did but uh, you know,
we got to get back to doing single topics eventually too,
and we want to hear from you, so stay tuned.
This is part one of a two part episode. We
will be returning very soon with war calls from your
(46:15):
fellow listeners. In the meantime, if you would like to respond,
or if you would like to leave a message, you
can reach us directly. You can call us. We are
one eight three three st d w y t K
and that's just an acronym for stuff they don't want
you to know std w uh. Whenever we do that, honestly,
(46:39):
it's so difficult for me not to follow up with
in the morning. You know, it feels it feels like
a morning show. T d w y t K in
the morning. That's that's nice. But then we all have
to have obnoxious nicknames, you know. It's like Eyebrows and
the Gooch, Maddie two hands with the weather. I love
(47:00):
the idea that the intro song is so happy like that,
and then we're like, hey, it's bony j that's pretty fantastic.
Oh man, you guys. I'm so excited. I have to
announce this. I was a little quiet on that last
story because I was in the queue for King Gizzard
and the Lizard Wizard tickets and I got him hold on,
(47:23):
hold on, hold on. We were doing an episode and
you were waiting on tickets for King Gizzard and the
Lizard Wizard. That's right, where's the Where's where's the issue?
And you didn't get one for super Producer. I got too. Okay,
these guys are insane. This is the coolest live band ever.
And they're also like a lot of their stuff is
sort of about like kind of weird wizardy kind of
(47:45):
conspiracy type stuff and like psychedelic realms and all that.
Big fan if you haven't checked them out out there
and stuff, they don't want you to. Land highly recommended
and if you have a chance to see them live,
you have to. Alright, well, um, hopefully you were paying
attention into the episode while you were listening to this. Alright, listens,
it was It was a very It was very important
(48:06):
to me to hop on right at noon. These things
sell out very quickly. I can't clean about it. At
least you did. We appreciate that we all do all right,
so right to us or you can find us on
social media. We are conspiracy stuff in most places. Sometimes
conspiracy stuff shows specifically on Instagram. You guys have instagrams, right,
that's right. If you want to see some of my
(48:28):
recent adventures abroad, you can follow me directly. I'm at
ben Bullen. I am at Embryonic Insider. I have not
been abroad, but I have been traveled very narrowly right
here in the city of Atlanta. Occasionally I go other places,
but it's mainly just pictures of pretty sunsets and and
my kid doing weird stuff. Oh that's awesome. Uh. You
can find me on Instagram. I am the F word,
(48:51):
but the actual F word. And then Jerry at f
Jerry that's my Instagram. Uh, not really, that's just the company.
Have you heard of that F F Jerry Campaign's something
They've managed to get them down from fourteen point five
million followers to just a cool fourteen millions, so a
little at a time. Wow. I honestly don't know what
(49:12):
their actual Instagram is. I don't even if they have one. Uh.
That's what they are. They are, that's what they exist
as they are on Instagram page at f jerry Really, So,
if you don't want to follow Matt at f Jerry
or me at Embryonic Insider or Ben at ben bowling Um,
you could follow the show where we are at Conspiracy
Stuff show on Instagram. We're at conspiracy Stuff everywhere else.
(49:35):
You can also give us a call at that handy
dandy call in number where we are one eight three
three st d w y t K. If you don't
want to do do any of that stuff, you're can send
us a good old fashioned email where we are conspiracy
at how stuff works dot com
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,
(00:24):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is No. They call me Ben. We are joined
with our guest super producer, Ramsey Yount. More importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. You gotta be honest.
I'm LUPI I have no idea what time it is,
what day it is. This is very much a quantum leap,
(00:47):
Oh boy moment for me. But I'm glad to be back.
You guys look great, you smell wonderful. So are you
a character in Ben Bolen's body that quantum leaped into you?
Or you Ben Bowlen that is quantum leaked into a
different body because you look like Ben. That's very that's
very kind. Yeah, as far as I know, I am
not Scott Bacula, Okay, but but be that as it may.
(01:11):
We're all very excited about today's episode because this is
one of our favorite returning formats. We often say that
the most important part of this show is you specifically you,
and this time we're putting our money where our collective
mouth is, right, we share a mouth. Yeah, it's just
timeshare mouth. It sounded like a good idea at the moment,
(01:34):
full full disclosure, this was almost a ben ball and
less episode. It was we couldn't we couldn't let that
stand and then actually called in and left us an
amazing voicemail. I think from the DMZ he did. He did.
But I think you were probably already loopy then, because
on the front end of a trip like that, you're loopy.
Then on the back end of a trip like that,
(01:54):
you're loopy. When does it ever normalize to take several days? Right?
You know? I hope never. I hope never. Are you
are you like tripping right now? I bet? Like it's
an interesting experience. I mean, I'm enjoying it. I'm enjoying it,
and I have I have all fair some surprises for
you guys. So that's a perfect sallenge. We should keep
(02:15):
that in. That's the perfect salcue. So we have, as
you know, long time listeners, we have some information that
we always want to give out towards the end of
every single episode we do, regardless of what the topic
maybe at the time. And one of those things that
we always make sure to shout out is our call
(02:37):
in line call in number that you can reach anywhere
in the world. I verified this recently while I was
trying to find a quiet place to call you guys
in the city, and that number is one eight three
three s T d w y T kree eight. I'm
(02:59):
like too, I guess, And if you call this number,
you'll just you'll hear a brief voicemail message and then
you can leave a voicemail. And Matt, we have to
thank you for driving this, for setting up this whole thing.
I set it up for this particular set of episodes.
That's all Mr knowl. So come now, Matt, you were
(03:22):
you were very helpful as well instrumental even and I
want to say this up front, and we were probably
gonna start saying this at the end of the show
as well, to remind people, um, there is a three
minute time limit on a single message, So just either
like get your story in three minute form, or just
be aware that you're gonna have to call and leave
a part to a continuation, which we're totally fine, and
(03:43):
there's gonna be a couple like that you're gonna here today.
But um, there were a few people that it seemed
like it through for a loop and they didn't call back. Yeah,
we had a couple of cliffhanger ones, right, And so
thank you to knowl as well for going through this
massive amount of messages. Know how many would you say
there were when when you opened the treasure trove? I
can say exactly how many there were? There were two
(04:05):
d And then when I got in after you had
found a bunch of them, there are a hundred and
forty four left. I got through about forty of those.
So there's still a hundred sitting there that I have
that none of us have listened to. I guess it's
my turn. It's just there's so many, and they're also great.
We're trying to capture, you know, the best of the
(04:25):
ones that we can, and then the rest of them
we are definitely listening to as soon as we can.
So what what did you find? I'm a leaf on
the wind here. This is gonna a lot of this
is gonna be news to me. Okay, I want to
say one thing really quickly up front. Um, some some
of the messages that we got were so personal and um,
kind that it's not even something that feels appropriate to
(04:47):
share directly, But I just want to point out that
the folks that reach out and let us know that
the show means something to them and that it gets
them through tough times, whatever those times might be. Um,
it's really really, really amazing to hear that. And it's
sort of for me anyway puts doing this show in perspective.
And sometimes it's so easy to feel like we're shouting
into the abyss doing this stuff, and it's really cool
(05:08):
to hear people say that we're kind of a part
of their lives in a in a meaningful way. And
I'm not trying to do a whole like Oscar speech
kind of thing, but it really is. It was very
cool for me to hear that and be reminded that, like, oh,
this show means something to people, and that's really cool,
and that's something that we've we've seen in previous messages too,
you know, and uh, it means the world to us.
(05:30):
We we often in this society have a bit of
a misleading concept about podcast. We say, well, the show
is free, but it's not free. It's free in terms
of money, right, you don't. You don't pay cash to
hear this show. Instead, you use the most important currency
of our age, which is your time. You pay attention,
(05:52):
You spend time, and we appreciate it. There was there
was one other thing, um, that didn't want to lose
is that you mentioned no, Yes, the the idea of
certain messages being very personal. When you leave a message,
if there's something that you just want to share with
us and for something that you, for one reason or another,
(06:13):
don't want to be on the air, that's completely fine
with us. Just please say it in the message so
that we know, yeah, state it up front if possible,
and just say this is just for you guys. That
that would be great. Um. And it is one of
those things in our society where a lot of times, uh,
for some reason or another, the most engaged people on
a forum somewhere are the most negative ones. Uh. It
(06:37):
really is. And it just so sometimes the feedback you
get is so negative. Having this kind of avenue where
getting these positive messages directly to us is very rejuvenating, uh,
personally and creatively. Absolutely so, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Sure we have a lot of like loudest voices in
the room, syndrome kind of situations where they tend to
be the voices of dissent. So it's nice to have
(06:58):
some voices, uh saying positive things, you know, and not
to say that some of these messages aren't, like, you know,
dragging us over the coals a little bit, but usually
in a constructive way and not unlike you guys suck
go die in kind of way, more of like a
I think you missed the boat on this thing. I
really love the show. I just wanted to put in
my two cents and that we appreciate that too. So,
speaking speaking of all of these things, shout out to Mike,
(07:21):
who's out there delivering pizzas and hopefully listening to this
right now. UM, I see you out there. Those pizza
smell delicious from here, so keep going. Like anyway, let's
get to our first caller. Yeah, our first caller. I
believe the last name is Alex. It was a little
Sometimes these get a little muddied, so it's hard to
make it out. But um, altcohol and Alex. For the
purposes of this episode. Um, he had some issues with
(07:45):
a few things wanted to add to armand Santo episode
about GMOs. Um, but The most interesting thing that was
something that I was unaware of that I think Ben
was very much aware of. Uh is the idea of
UM lawsuits surround ending the practice of seed saving by
small farmers. So here's part two of Alex's message where
(08:06):
he talks about this very interesting point number four. Also,
I think you could have mentioned how many farmers have
been sued by Monsanto for storing their own non GMO seeds,
which have nothing to do with Montanto, and how saving
seeds is actually becoming illegal. There are a lot of
legal things about having your own garden and seeds. I mean,
(08:28):
the world is going nuts right now under corporate rule,
and I thought that could have been talked about because
it's very very important. So I love a chow. I
think that's a great way to end to call. I
could never pull it off how he said, chow chow babe. Yeah, yeah,
(08:50):
I'm not cool enough. He raises a great point. You
raise a great point, Mr Alex. Yeah, he really does.
And it's something that I wasn't aware of. But it
turns out that there's a pretty and mark court case
where a small farmer was sued by mont Santo because
he saved seeds that were the offspring of mont Santo
genetically modified seeds. They're called like round up seeds something
(09:14):
like that, So I guess they are more resistant to
um pests. So they he saved the offspring seeds from these.
I thought they were terminator seeds for the most part,
that they would not be able to Most are not
Most are not terminating line seeds. I think you're talking
about the seeds that were designed not to create more
(09:37):
seeds that that couldn't essentially reproduce. So the idea of
being that a farmer would be forced to buy another
supply of seeds every harvest season. This is a little different.
This is um the case of Vernon Bowman versus mont Santo, right,
the one that went all the way to the Supreme
Court did Yeah, So this is a seventy five year
(09:58):
old Soy being farmer in Indiana. And it's exactly what
you described, Alex, and what you described the seed saving concept.
And this is a very ancient practice. Seed saving is
something you do when you are a farmer because you
gotta make you kinda make more stuff to sell world.
(10:18):
You're not being a farmer. The gist of the argument
from what I understand here is that, as Justice Stephen
Bryer sums it up, the gist of the argument is
that the law prohibits making a copy of a patented invention.
So is is a seed a patented invention? Monsanto does
(10:42):
own the patent to this, they do in the patent.
But it just really starts to get into some very
interesting territory when a natural process is considered copying or
is considered some kind of like almost corporate espionage of
some kind, you know. Uh. And it again, he it
was something that happened naturally. And this is how Justice
(11:05):
Elena Kagan something. It was a unanimous court decision to
force this farmer to pay reparations I think into the
tune of around eighty five thou dollars and I guess
lost revenue, uh for Monsanto, which seems insane, but this
was what she wrote. Are holding today is limited addressing
the situation before us. Rather than everyone involving a self
(11:25):
replicating product, we recognize that such inventions are becoming ever
more prevalent, complex, and diverse. In another case, the article's
self replication might occur outside the purchaser's control, or it
might be a necessary but incidental step in using the
item for another purpose. I think it's interesting because when
I first read this, I almost I thought it was
like a dissenting opinion, because it sounds like she's sort
of siding with the farmer, or at least sort of saying, how,
(11:47):
this is a complex issue that hasn't quite been presented
to us before in this way. So it's a little
bit difficult to have a definitive view basing this on
other examples of copyright infringement because it's a natural process,
that's what she's in acknowledging that. It makes it a
little more complicated. I do love the argument Mr Bowman made.
(12:08):
I mean, I know we kind of talked about the
self replication everything, but just having his argument saying, uh
that soybeans naturally self replicate or sprout unless stored in
a controlled manner, meaning that it was the planted soybean,
not Bowman, that created the new seeds, which is, in
my opinion, of great argument. It's like, look, the seeds,
(12:29):
they just they made new seeds. What am I gonna do?
See that's literally what seeds are designed to do. Yeah,
it is interesting, and I think you're right in terms
of how the court ruled on this issue. They made
it more a case by case thing. They did what's
called a narrow ruling because they wanted to be very
(12:49):
careful about what sorts of precedence they set. And I
think there have been this was in right, and I
think there have been some other similar cases that occurred afterward. Um.
But in this case, they unanimously ruled in favor of Monsanto,
which some people saw as controversial because one of the
(13:10):
justices at the time it was still a justice as
we record today, Clarence Thomas is a former lawyer for Monsanto.
He didn't recuse himself for anything. He didn't see it
as a conflict of interest. It never would that Monsanto
blood runs deep. I like this guy. I think he
(13:31):
is um. But I do love that they've rejected all
like fully, the blame the being defense, blame the being.
That's a T shirt. And so to our callers point, um,
I don't know of any cases of Monsanto suing people
for replicating non mon Santo seeds. Oh yeah, that was
(13:51):
sort of his point, And I was a little unclear
as to what he meant by that, Like the idea
of storing seeds isn't inherently problematic. It's only problematic when
Monsanto feels like their patents are being um infringed upon. Yeah,
there is one other angle to it, which would be
the idea of seeds transgenic or GMO seeds contaminating adjacent farmland.
(14:17):
So let's say one farmer is using Monsanto seeds. Somebody
else right down the road or across the way is
not involved in that, but somehow these Monsanto seeds make
their way to that other crop. Is that patent infringement?
Are they stealing? Is that? As one of the justices said,
(14:38):
what was that line, essentially bank robbery? That's right, Yeah,
I know it was very very strong language. I think
I think that's the blame the wind defense, uh in
that case, because it generally would be the wind maybe
carrying the seeds over. I don't know, however, how else
the seed thrower mechanism defense, the old seed thrower defense,
(14:58):
I mean someone through seeds away too far. Now here's
the thing too, To another point um that our caller made,
it is becoming increasingly more difficult to grow your own food.
This is not something that is uh so simple and
cut and dried to achieve because there are like zoning
laws that can literally make it illegal to grow vegetables.
(15:22):
There is a case in Herman Ricketts and her mind.
I don't know h E R M I any her mind.
I guess Rickets and Tom Carroll her mine. They were
a couple from Miami Shores Village in Florida, and they
had a garden they've been growing for and taking care
of for seventeen years that actually supplied uh most of
(15:42):
their their food, their sustenance. And because of a change
in zoning laws, um, they were forced to up dig
up the garden, which just seems like so wasteful and
counter counterintuitive, you know, kind of like those laws restricting
collection of rain water. Have you guys heard about those?
So in some areas it is illegal to set up
(16:04):
a cistern to collect water. I think one of the
concerns was that it was messing with the natural water cycle.
People were collecting too much water and they weren't you know, nestle.
Then then we get in trouble. They weren't getting it
from from an aquifer and drinking someone else's milk. Check
purify and sell it for a dollar twenty nine most
death check it out this episode is brought to you
(16:26):
by just Water. It's just water. It's just water in
a milk carton. It's a real product. It is a
real products Jaden Smith's company. Actually, yes, in this episode
is not brought to you by the Smith family or
just water, but it is just water. But you know,
to to to the whole argument here, do giant corporations
like Montsanto getting, you know, controlling so much of the
(16:50):
food that we eat? Is that inherently a conflict for
folks that are just trying to like grow their own
food and do their own thing. And it almost is
like it's become harder and harder to kind of, you know,
take care of our own in like the ways that
our forefathers once did, you know, because you will kind
of rely on these big corporations for everything from your
(17:11):
telecommunications to the food that you eat, and you'll need Uh.
Last point, which is a scary point on my end,
is uh, you will increasingly as a farmer, need infrastructure
to battle against the changing climate. And it's infrastructure that
think can be quite expensive to implement. So there's a
(17:31):
reason that agribusiness profits or succeeds so often in opposition
to a small, smaller farming interest. I mean, think of
pesticides alone, right, I think of think of irrigation systems.
We're in a time now where Australia, which is already
(17:52):
a super dry country, uh and also a country with
large agricultural interest, things are literally catching on fire in
austral Elliott, and in California, And in California. Yes, you're right, Matt.
So in the future will we encounter situations where the
only people who can afford the necessary infrastructure to grow
food are large businesses that can sink millions of dollars
(18:14):
into irrigation, climate control, pesticides. Yes, I hope not. Was
that the wind? That was the wind of change? Boys.
The only way you're going to be able to grow
food from now on is if you build a giant wall.
That's right, Build the wall around your farm so that
no Monsanto seeds can make their way into your farm
and you won't get suited or vertical corporate farming. Hey
(18:40):
we did did we do an episode on that? I
think we mentioned it. Maybe it was a brain stuff
that Well, you're talking about here is the future map.
I'm talking about the future Build that wall around your
farm or just you build the skyscraper and the planters.
Now people are doing that, I know, and I think
that's the only way it's gonna happen. It's gonna Manhattan's
(19:00):
just going to be filled with bean sprouts. So these
are fantastic points that you raise, Mr Alex, and thank
you for reaching out. We'd also like to hear thoughts
from many farmers listening to the show right now, like
what are some of the misconceptions that you think non
farmers have about the process of growing a crop, and
and how does a large agri business impact your day
(19:23):
to day operation? Great, hey, guys, what do you say
We take a quick break from a sponsor and then
we'll get back to another voicemail. I like it, all right,
and we're back. Okay, guys, what do we what do
(19:43):
you say we listen to a story? I think that's
a great idea. I love it that this is a story, um,
while very tragic, told with utter humor and uh just
complete poise by this by this caller, and I was
just really take can buy it? And it's not necessarily
a harsh indictment of the funeral industry, but it does
(20:05):
go to show some of the things you might not consider, um,
when you set out to cremate a loved one and
attempt to scatter their ashes or do something that seems
very personal, but yet somehow you need the help of
these other organizations in order to get this done. Yeah.
Forward to hearing this, Yeah, and it really makes you
(20:26):
think about precautions you might need to take, things you
might want to think about when traveling abroad. So this
is this is a response to our big death episode.
It is Hi, guys, I just listened to your podcast
on the funeral industry and I have a story for
you that is amazing and kind of comical and depending
(20:49):
on how you look at it. Over ten years ago,
I was traveling in Southeast Asia with my husband and unfortunately,
he died while we were in the airport in no
He went into the bathroom and had a massive heart attack.
Now there's lots of stories around that, but I want
to tell you the part that pertains to the funeral industry. Um.
(21:11):
He wanted to be cremated and I had him cremated
in Vietnam. It cost me a thousand dollars and I
had to pay in cash, which is a crazy story,
and I had to iron all my money because they
wouldn't take folded money, our dirty money. So I washed
my money in the sink and ironed it. Amazing experience,
(21:31):
um the whole thing. So they cremated him in Vietnam,
and he didn't get They don't burn at as high
as of a temperature in Vietnam as they do in
the United States, so there were lots of ashes they
burn that I was handed um was probably about a
foot and a half high by about eight inches two
(21:55):
ten inches across, and it was full of ashes, and
in fact, when they handed it to me, it was
still hot. It was an alabaster urn, and I had
to carry that thing on the way home. Now I
knew my husband's wishes were to be spread from the
top of a mountain in my home state. And when
I got home, I opened up this gignormous urn that
(22:19):
I had to carry the whole way and keep on
my body because of legal issues between countries and transporting
bodies and bloody blah blah, and the bones within the
urn you could I could still see pieces of his bones.
And I knew that if I allowed his children to
(22:39):
climb to the top of the mountain and throw these
out that I could cause a c s I type
UM incident with pieces of skull and leg. So my
story that pertains to the funeral industry in America was
trying to find a funeral home that would grind my
(23:01):
husband's bones. It was the hardest thing to do. I
had to call around to funeral home after funeral home,
and because they all were syndicated in this kind of
back door kind of way like you spoke about, nobody
would touch me with a ten foot pole. Even though
I had um uh paperwork from Vietnam and paperwork from
(23:21):
the US government in all the right paperwork to do
this bone grinding that I needed to do after the cremation.
So I finally found a local independent crematorium in my state.
It's actually the only one within all of New England
I think, um at least all within my state, so
(23:44):
we'll say that. And they, after I told them the
whole story, they agreed to help me, and I went
there and for a very small nominal fee, they ground
the bones for me so that his ashes could be spread. UM. Anyway,
it was an amazing experience. UM, and there are so
(24:04):
many incredible stories. I love your show. Thank you very much.
I'm a full time studio artist and you keep me
busy and entertained while I work. So thank you so
much and have a great day, guys. Bye. Thank you
so much for writing into us. This caller's wish was
(24:25):
to remain anonymous, and we first and say thank you
for sharing your story and we're sorry for your loss. Yeah,
And I know it's been ten years, um, And it's
just I can't believe you had to go through that
whole situation. I can't imagine what that was like in
the moment. I I have to think that it was
(24:48):
just okay, well what do I do now? It's like
you go into just like taking care of business man
wow in the airport now less. And here's the thing
that I think is so fascinating about that story. First
of all, the idea of having to of the funeral
industry in other countries, which is something we did not
touch on at all in that episode. And the notion
that you had to pay cash and that it had
(25:10):
to be literally laundered, like like ironed and washed, um,
and I just that's just bonkers to me. But then
the whole idea of having to carry around this giant
urn on her person for legal reasons. That aspect of
it is is insane to me. And then how difficult
(25:31):
it must have been to find a small and a
funeral organization small enough that they could kind of like
go off the books and kind of say what, we're
gonna help you out, Because if I would imagine the
issues that she ran into when she said they wouldn't
touch her with a ten foot pole, as some of
these uh funeral groups that are associated with the larger
corporate parent companies, which I'm sure they have protocols and
(25:55):
things that they just they won't do. Yeah, well, and
you know this is a bit odd, but just if
I'm playing devil's advocate from the perspective of these funeral
homes that said no, we won't grind up the bones
like Service Corporation International. Yeah, well, okay, just this is
(26:15):
just a different perspective. UM imagine if it was a
different story, a different person, maybe someone who's not like
our caller, someone who was a little more nefarious, who
had bones that they wanted to be ground up rightwork
not speaking not speaking about her situation in particular, absolutely
(26:39):
not and not seeing anything against her as just saying
I can imagine you might feel like perhaps legally you
might be in a weird position if you were to
take part in that action, like are you aiding and
abetting a crime? I mean, what it What it sounds like, Caller,
is that you, unfortunately, at at a tremendously tram at
(27:00):
a point in your life, ran into a bureaucratic approach
to death and tragedy. So, just like you're saying, Matt,
this is entirely speculation on my part, it sounds like
they had some existing policy that was boiler plate across
the board. It doesn't matter who you are, it doesn't
(27:22):
matter what what the circumstances are. This is something they're
not allowed to perform. That doesn't make it illegal for
a company to do that. It sounds more like it's
their internal policy rather than some sort of state or
federal law. Sure, and as we know, like so often,
large corporations are so averse to any potential litigation that
(27:44):
they will just go above and beyond to make sure
that there's not even a whiff of not following proper procedures,
which is why I Heart canceled my musical you know what,
Let it Go, Let it Go? Wait, No, that's not no, no,
not that that's that I I and to even give
you the titles of the songs, did it have anything
to do with a giant man eating plant? WHOA, we're
(28:10):
keeping that so yes, this is this is something that
a lot of people don't think about. We're uncomfortable thinking
about death. You know. It's the one great unknown, and
it's always untimely. There's rarely a situation throughout the span
(28:33):
of human history where someone passes away and their loved
ones say, you know what, great timing that just worked out.
It's it's um. It's an event that Matt, I think
you said people need to prepare for, and a lot
of us don't. UM. And this is also a look
into um, a completely different world culturally, a different world
(28:57):
in terms of scenarial practices, but also in terms of
business practices. This is completely different. Like you said, no,
we focused on the US and North America at large.
I think maybe we mentioned a little bit about Europe
or some slight contrasting things. But everywhere you go these
(29:18):
sorts of laws regarding creation and burial, not to mention
the sorts of more aise, cultural moraise, and social conventions
regarding death and burial. They will change. This was a
very educational story in terms of some of these perspectives
that we might not see. But it was also I
just was really taken by how good humored you were
(29:39):
when delivering this story about what must have been probably
one of the worst days of your life. But to
have that perspective and to be able to tell it
in such a lighthearted and and entertaining way, that really
kind of touched me. I don't know, I really thought
that was a incredible story, especially personally. I lost my
father um and we had him. You made it and
(30:00):
even that I think I've talked about it on the episode.
Was a big to do where you are required to
pay a lot of money for some kind of earn
or some kind of receptacle and even just for the
you know, because we were doing it on a budget,
because the circumstances in which he passed away ended up
where we he didn't leave us any insurance money, so
(30:21):
we was very unexpected. I'll still leave it at that,
And so you know, the cost of the funeral was
an issue, and we were trying to make it as
affordable as possible, and there are these kind of hidden
costs um and ultimately we ended up getting in kind
of like this plastic box of which I still I
still have. I still have some of my father's ashes
(30:41):
in this plastic box, like keep in my closet. And
let us know if, if you're listening, if you can
relate to these stories, let us know what sort of
personal experiences you have had with this kind of unexpected tragedy.
Were you in a situation where you were traveling abroad
and you lost a loved one? Um, what if you
(31:05):
are not a resident of the US, what are some
uh what what are some of the death and burial
rights moray's and laws that you think would surprise your
fellow listeners. You can let us know any number of ways,
which we get to at the end of the episode.
But for now, let's say we take a break for
a word from our sponsor, and we're back and we're
(31:34):
going to switch gears here and talk about something that
came up from our episode about Aaron Trewick, the bio
hacker who passed away in a sensory deprivation tank and
a drug was found in his system, and we had
someone named Newtie call in and left us this message
(31:54):
hey Ben Matt. No, it's nearly a long time listener.
I shouted out to you guys like, ah wait, like
a while back and that you guys put me on
the air. I can't remember what it was about. I
think it was like Planet nine or something, but anyway,
I'll just recently listening to you guys, uh bio hacking
podcast with Aaron trey Way, and I wanted to reach
(32:19):
out and this call because, um, I do have a
little bit of experiment or experimentation, like back when I
was younger with ketamine, and you guys were talking about
the whole fact that whether or not he like faked
his death or if that was like a conspiracy or not.
And I'm just saying that if somebody was on special
(32:42):
okay and going into a water chamber like the way
that the story played out, there's no way that somebody
that knowing me, that has taken that before, would put
themselves in the situation. It's just super crazy because you
lose like all functionality it completely. It puts you into
like hallucinations, You like pretty much crawl around on the ground.
(33:05):
It's super strong, and I mean I know that they
use it for like I was like doing some research,
like the use it for anesthetic uh or anesthesia rather
and use it for like chronic pain, and they use
it for tranquilizers and also like the animals for like
veterinarian stuff. But when human takes it, because are completely
(33:27):
like debilitated, like you can't do anything. So I mean,
I don't think I mean, if you're a human person
and you know about the drug and you're familiar with it,
there's no way that you would take it and then
go into even like a two foot pool what let
alone like submerge yourself in water, because you can't control
(33:48):
anything that's going on. But anyway, those are my thoughts
on it. Um. I think that it sounds super fishy,
and I really like listening to that episode. You guys
are you guys are awesome and I always am looking
forward to the next episode. All right, man, you guys
have a good night. All right, someone who has actual
(34:11):
experience with ketamine, that was some good insight for us, because,
at least for me personally, I've only read about this
drug online and its effects and never heard anyone actually
say this is what it does outside of the forums
that you can find online. An arrow late or something. Um. Yeah,
it's it's interesting to think about that drug when applied
(34:34):
to being in a deprivation tank. That seems like a
bad idea. And I think we were. I think we
mentioned that it seemed like a bad idea. Um. And
that's perhaps one of the reasons why a lot of
people thought there may be something fishy going on with
with his death. Yeah, and to your point, Nudy tree Wick,
Aaron trey Wick, the subject of that episode, he was
(34:57):
familiar with ketamine. Yes, as far as we he had
experimented with this substance before, So I can see with
that information why this would seem fishy when we talked
about the death of Aaron trey Wick. Originally, I don't
think I mentioned it on air, but it reminds me
of a strange episode as something that happened to me
(35:21):
off air years and years and years ago. I had
a series of circumstances. I ended up owning some lizards.
We have to go into it, and I got feeding them. Yeah,
I was figuring out what to feed these creatures. Where
the herbivorous, where the omnivorous? Were they carnivorous? Um? So
(35:44):
I can say what kind they were I'd rather not,
so I fed them. I fed them crickets. And I
went to a pet store to buy crickets, and the
guy who sold me the crickets it, well, are you
what are you going to do with these? I assume
you're going to buy them to feed another animal. And
(36:05):
I said, yeah, that's that's the plan. And he said, okay,
we'll watch out because crickets are stupid. And I didn't
understand what he meant, but I kept the crickets in
a separate container and they drowned in in a very small,
still amount of water. I had no idea what I
was doing, you know, I just put out a dish
of water. And it was weird because they remained they
(36:27):
remained immobile and appeared to they appeared to drown. I
I am not a you know, a cricket surgeon or whatever.
I don't know what happened, but it was distressing to
see things apparently dying in in a way of dying
in such a sedate fashion. And so I believe in
(36:49):
that episode, we concluded that aside from a couple of
troubling things, there's there's not a lot of dents that
Trey Wick was murdered except for some stuff with the door, right, Yeah,
the door was unlocked, I believe, and generally when someone
(37:10):
is in using one of those sensory deprivation tank rooms
at that facility, the door is locked. And now we
have another piece to this story, because as Nudi says,
there's not a person who has used ketamine in the
past would not put themselves in a situation. That's what
you said, right, You would not put what yourself in
(37:31):
a situation where there's a potential for you to asphyxiate
or to drown when you have lost mobility under the
influence of this drug. And it also brings up the
fact that perhaps it was a purposeful thing. And I
think we mentioned this to the idea that you can reach,
at least what I was reading on the forms, you
(37:52):
can reach such a euphoria with ketamine or such an
outer body experience that perhaps, um, dying while you're on
that drug may not be such a terrifying experience, or
it could be the most terrifying experience. Who knows, but um, Again,
it's really difficult to say anything conclusive about Aaron trey
Wick's death as far as what truly caused it. And
(38:15):
why now did he have ketamine in his system or
I thought that I remember hearing that they found it
in his clothes, like like a like a baggy of
it or whatever. But was there autopsy results that indicated
that he was in fact on the drug at the time.
You know, honestly, I'm not sure. I might have to
listen to the episode again. Um. You know, they believed
that he did have ketamine both on his person and
(38:38):
in his system into the autopsy. All right, Well, there
you go a lot of unanswered questions. They're still thank
you so much, Nudy for giving us a call. Let's
move on to a gentleman who has some information about
an exercise of sorts that occurred back in the day. Hey, So,
(38:59):
I just wanted to say that I've been listening to
you guys show a lot. I never really was into
conspiracies at all, but I love the thought that you
guys put into the conspiracies that you do. I've been
listening to a lot of your older stuff and I
came across the Operation Jade Helm episode and I thought
(39:19):
it was really interesting because I'm actually currently serving in
the Army Reserves and during one of our summer training exercises.
It was a month long and we were actually in
direct support of Operation jade Helm. We only were told
that it was Operation jade Helm. We're an ordinance unit
(39:40):
and so basically we were told we were just going
to go run AMMO. When we asked what we were
running AMMO for, they just said, we're just we're just
running AMMO. Uh. And we noticed that the guys were
coming in to get the AMMO. We're not conventional units,
so that was about all we knew about it. But
I just thought it was really interesting that you guys
(40:01):
are talking about, um, the government keeping all these things
secret from civilians and stuff like that, but they kept
it secret from even people who were directly involved in
the operation. It was one of those things where I
got back home from this training exercise and I was
talking to someone who always has been kind of into
(40:23):
conspiracies and stuff like that, and I said, yeah, it
was called Operation jade Helm, I think, and then he
told me everything about it. Well, you know, I can
I have no idea what exactly was going on in
this operation, so I can't even tell you anything even
if I wanted to. It was one of those things
(40:43):
where they kept it a secret from us, and I
imagine all the other hundreds of support personnel that we're
involved in that exercise. So I just thought I would
tell you guys that I thought it was interesting. Thank you, say,
thank you so much for calling in. This is a
This is another caller who did not identify themselves by name.
(41:07):
Correct you you may find this of interest in In
regards to jade Helm. In twenty fifteen, President Barack Obama
name dropped jade Helm. He said it is his favorite
conspiracy theory. Really in in November, I think in an
(41:28):
interview with g Q. Yeah, and while it may seem
strange to some civilians in the audience, this idea that
you may you may be a member of the military
or in support of an operation and not be told
what the ultimate aim of that operation is. While that
may seem strange, that's not unusual. You know, the left
hand and the right hand don't need to know what
(41:50):
the other is doing, correct, Especially if you're just loading
everybody's weapons up with ammunition. They're just like, just keep it, olmen.
That was one of my favorite parts of the story too.
Why are we running ammo? We're just running ammo? It's
all good, and then all the guys, all the units
show up and they don't look like conventional units, and
(42:11):
you're just going, Okay, I guess this is what we're
doing now, jade Helm. This this was interesting and fastening
for us because this was an ongoing orum imminent events
when we recorded the episode, right, yeah, And there were
so many questions. You had places like The Atlantic, fairly
reputable source like talking about this is weird, this is
(42:33):
a strange exercise. What it It's huge, all these companies
getting together selling weapons, then all of these units getting
together and testing out the weapons, um and ammunition, and
what is it? What? What really is this thing? And
then they didn't have a jade Helm sixteen or seventeen
or eighteen or nineteen, at least that we're aware of.
(42:54):
Maybe they just changed the name so none of us
would know, or maybe it's like Hines fifty seven and
it's a part of the hand. There's no fifty eight,
there's no fifty six. Yeah. The next one is called
Dark Boots nineteen. The botne uh. There is one interesting
thing that I don't think made it into the original episode,
And this may be of interest to anyone who dug
(43:18):
into jade Helm, both the actual event and the speculation
surrounding it. In retrospect, us intelligence agencies said that they
they found evidence. Again. According to them, they found evidence
that a lot of the fear and hysteria surrounding jade Helm,
(43:41):
and a lot of the conspiratorial thinking surrounding it was
a product of Russian disinformation. Did you hear about it?
There was a Facebook page called Heart of Texas that
promoted these ideas and in Facebook shut it down because
it is associated with a Russian company known for promoting disinformation. Again,
(44:05):
this is a quartery. This is Uncle Sam's side of
the story, so your individual results may vary. There you go,
there you go. Well, thank you for writing in whoever
you are. Appreciate that story and giving us a little
insight and personal view and stay safe out there, yes please.
And I really want to know more about just like
(44:25):
an ordinance crew like that, Like what does that look
like when you're you are tasked with making sure that
everybody has the correct ammunition and enough of it and
all that. Um, I've never thought about it compartmentalized that much,
where there's literally a crew of people who are running
ordinance like that, but it makes so much sense you
would need you would need that to be a thing.
(44:48):
I just it's never struck my mind as someone who's
never served in any way whatsoever. And we have a
lot of people in various military intelligence services who tune
into this show. So within the bounds of what you
are comfortable telling us, do you have some information that
you would like to share with your fellow listeners regarding
(45:10):
things like jade Helm or maybe domestic or international operations
of which the average citizen would likely be unaware? Yeah,
that is not going to uh cause a national security
incident by us playing it on the air. Please surely not.
I know, just just opening that out there because we
probably won't be able to play it if it if
(45:31):
it seems scary enough to us. But we massively appreciate
you taking the time to call in and guys, we
have done an entire episode with um what four phone calls? Yeah?
Maybe five, I don't even know. We kind of predicted
this is going to go this way, and it's like,
it's not something we can do all the time, So
(45:52):
why not make it a two parter? Guys, Let's do
it and then make and then do another one in
a few months because we're just getting so much good stuff.
We don't want anybody exclude did but uh, you know,
we got to get back to doing single topics eventually too,
and we want to hear from you, so stay tuned.
This is part one of a two part episode. We
will be returning very soon with war calls from your
(46:15):
fellow listeners. In the meantime, if you would like to respond,
or if you would like to leave a message, you
can reach us directly. You can call us. We are
one eight three three st d w y t K
and that's just an acronym for stuff they don't want
you to know std w uh. Whenever we do that, honestly,
(46:39):
it's so difficult for me not to follow up with
in the morning. You know, it feels it feels like
a morning show. T d w y t K in
the morning. That's that's nice. But then we all have
to have obnoxious nicknames, you know. It's like Eyebrows and
the Gooch, Maddie two hands with the weather. I love
(47:00):
the idea that the intro song is so happy like that,
and then we're like, hey, it's bony j that's pretty fantastic.
Oh man, you guys. I'm so excited. I have to
announce this. I was a little quiet on that last
story because I was in the queue for King Gizzard
and the Lizard Wizard tickets and I got him hold on,
(47:23):
hold on, hold on. We were doing an episode and
you were waiting on tickets for King Gizzard and the
Lizard Wizard. That's right, where's the Where's where's the issue?
And you didn't get one for super Producer. I got too. Okay,
these guys are insane. This is the coolest live band ever.
And they're also like a lot of their stuff is
sort of about like kind of weird wizardy kind of
(47:45):
conspiracy type stuff and like psychedelic realms and all that.
Big fan if you haven't checked them out out there
and stuff, they don't want you to. Land highly recommended
and if you have a chance to see them live,
you have to. Alright, well, um, hopefully you were paying
attention into the episode while you were listening to this. Alright, listens,
it was It was a very It was very important
(48:06):
to me to hop on right at noon. These things
sell out very quickly. I can't clean about it. At
least you did. We appreciate that we all do all right,
so right to us or you can find us on
social media. We are conspiracy stuff in most places. Sometimes
conspiracy stuff shows specifically on Instagram. You guys have instagrams, right,
that's right. If you want to see some of my
(48:28):
recent adventures abroad, you can follow me directly. I'm at
ben Bullen. I am at Embryonic Insider. I have not
been abroad, but I have been traveled very narrowly right
here in the city of Atlanta. Occasionally I go other places,
but it's mainly just pictures of pretty sunsets and and
my kid doing weird stuff. Oh that's awesome. Uh. You
can find me on Instagram. I am the F word,
(48:51):
but the actual F word. And then Jerry at f
Jerry that's my Instagram. Uh, not really, that's just the company.
Have you heard of that F F Jerry Campaign's something
They've managed to get them down from fourteen point five
million followers to just a cool fourteen millions, so a
little at a time. Wow. I honestly don't know what
(49:12):
their actual Instagram is. I don't even if they have one. Uh.
That's what they are. They are, that's what they exist
as they are on Instagram page at f jerry Really, So,
if you don't want to follow Matt at f Jerry
or me at Embryonic Insider or Ben at ben bowling Um,
you could follow the show where we are at Conspiracy
Stuff show on Instagram. We're at conspiracy Stuff everywhere else.
(49:35):
You can also give us a call at that handy
dandy call in number where we are one eight three
three st d w y t K. If you don't
want to do do any of that stuff, you're can send
us a good old fashioned email where we are conspiracy
at how stuff works dot com
Stuff They Don't Want You To Know News
Hosts And Creators
Matt Frederick
Ben Bowlin
Noel Brown
Show Links
RSSStoreAboutLive ShowsPopular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.