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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Welcome back
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to the show. My name is Met, my name is Noah.
We're joined as not usual by our super producer, Casey Pagraham.
Um also not usual. Ben is not here. There's a
there's the you know, the unusual bend shaped whole in
time space that is here, but at last he is elsewhere.
Uh you are you right? Yeah? And you're here and
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you're here. Man, it's so hard with that van uh
that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
That's it. Did I do? Okay? You did great? Did
I do? Been? Proud? I hope so oh he's gonna
be so proud of you. A special listener mail addish,
that's exactly what this is. Oh ma, Now let's am
I listen to voicemail. We're taking a step further. That's right.
As an audio component, we had to step it up
to voicemail. It's it's so much more fun to hear
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you talking with us rather than us reading in your voice.
Essentially from an email exactly. Uh, we we we prefer this.
And just to remind you, this is what our outgoing
voicemail message sounds like. When you do call our number
one eight three three st d w y t K.
You've reached stuff they don't want you to know. You
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can turn back now or leave a message after the beep,
And this is what happens, uh when you know maybe
you made the wrong decision. Oh God, I should have
turned back just for fun. Now it's true. He took
he took the red pill, and now his mind is wrecked.
It's right. You can never come back. You can never
unknow the stuff they don't want you to know. That's
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that's why. It's the stuff they don't want you to know.
That's right. And today we're going to be looking at
some serious suggestions for episodes that we may cover in
the few Sure, we're going to be looking at just
some strange occurrences that happened on the voicemail system, some
lighter fair some stuff on the wacky air more comedic side.
You know, we can take a joke as good as
the rest of them than the conspiracy space. To be honest,
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it's definitely my favorite a little bit of light, light,
happy things in my day, especially considering some of the
stuff that you're working on outside of the show, Matt,
not to peep behind the curtain too far, but you're
sort of mired in some real grizzly stuff. Uh yeah, yeah,
And you guys are my counseling, So thank you. Keep
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it up, and let's go ahead and get started with
one of those counseling sessions from Sean. Hey there, my
name is Sean Cutches. I was wondering if you guys
could do research into a religion called the Bohigh Face. Um.
I was brought up in it and I've fully been
able to find so much information. I'd love to know
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what you guys think about it. Thanks. Bye. Okay, first
of all, this is going to be sort of a little,
I don't know, a little bit of a snippet kind
of show. Um. That absolutely is something that deserves its
own episode. Uh. It's fascinating, and it is one of
these things where it's a religion that makes it onto
lists sometimes that refer to it as a cult. And
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I think the reason for that is is because fairly
or otherwise, the the person in charge or the person
that created this faith is a relatively modern individual historically speaking, right, Yeah,
it only goes back to the eight hundreds. Eighteen sixty
three is when it was officially founded, and you know,
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over the scope of human history and when a lot
of the what you would call the big r religions,
the capital our religions were formed. This is significantly further
in the future. It was founded in Iran Uh and
it's got some interesting things about it. It's got some
interesting characteristics. Well, it's sort of started as a bit
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of a protest religion in some ways because the the
gentleman that that founded it was born Mirza Hussein Ali
in eighteen seventeen to a family of Persian nobility. He
came from great privilege and received, as you know, was
traditional in that part of the world and Islamic education,
but it wasn't the kind of very very strict and
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technical education that that others might have. But despite that,
he became completely fascinated by his studies and took it
even further. He became a very very renowned poet and calligrapher.
He learned swordsmanship and became a very very talented horseman,
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and he came to something of a divine revelation through
studying the Quran and Arabic. So at the age of
twenty seven Um, the man who would go on to
become biha A Law, became a follower of a very
influential leader named the Bob. Just a little bit more
background on the Bob was born said Ali Mohammed Shirazi,
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and he founded something that ended up being a precursor
to the Behigh Faith known as Bob is Um. And
he had all these writings and papers, and when he
passed away, baha' Lah carried on his teachings became this
very very devout follower of his. Then Bahail Law was
imprisoned because he was perceived as having had a hand
in an attempt on the life of the Shah of Iran,
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and he was locked in a basically a dungeon that
was referred to the translation is the black pit. And
while he was in there, he came up with all
of these chants and prayers that he shared with some
of the other folks that were imprisoned in there, and
it became this very unifying experience where they all could
achieve peace and not fear for their lives and have
this kind of almost zen flow state that they achieved together. Wow,
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peace through suffering. That's that's intense. And while he was
in prison, Bahaila actually had a vision of what he
refers to as the most great Spirit, which is in
the form of a woman like sort of descending from
on high, who told him that he had a divine
mission and that he would be given assistance from beyond. Wow.
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And then he created a new faith like through all
of that he did, And there's a lot more that
goes into this. That's why it really does deserve its
own episode. Um. He was exiled, he was forced to
live in Baghdad and I Rock for ten years, and
that's where he met some other followers of the bob
Um religion, and then he became seen as basically a prophet. Yeah. Well,
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and you know that's we've noticed over the years that
a lot of these movements begin with one person, generally, right,
who's then seen as more than just a teacher, a teacher,
but more than that, right, And I think that this
fits the bill. Some of the really cool stuff about
the b High Faith, when you just look at it
on the surface, is that it's very much or at
least it Um outwardly says to be a unifying religion
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or unifying belief system. It's about equality that genders and
you know there are there's only one race of humankind, right,
and it believes that all of the prophets that have
come through everyone from Um, Abraham and Moses to Zoroaster,
Jesus and the prophet Mohammed, each one of these was
just an iteration and getting to see aspects of God
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through the the actions and the teachings of these different prophets.
And it's all one single God that all of these
uh these prophets have essentially been worshiping and following. It's
really cool, but again there's there's not a ton well,
there is a lot of information, Like if you go
to BBC, dot co dot UK they've even got a
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whole like outline, a whole page here that just tells
you all about the High Faith and on. Here it
mentions that there are around six million Behidh in the
world in two hundred and thirty five countries, and around
six thousand that live in Britain alone. Again, it's the
BBC website. So I guess Sean who wrote to us,
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I I'd like to know more about your personal experience,
I think in the Behind Faith, I'd like to know what, uh,
you know, what kinds of things are you taught? What
are the worship sessions like, I'd like to learn more
from you. But no, you have a connection to it
as well, right, yeah, I do. Um. I feel like
we've talked a lot about on the show the difference
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between or the distinctions that are drawn between the idea
of a religion and the idea of a cult, where
one person's religion is another person's cult. And to me,
cult has always used as a term of abuse, and
religion tends to be raised up as something that has
a little bit more legitimacy. Um, And I think the
use of cult is very unfair in this sense because
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it is ultimately kind of an open ended type faith
where people of all faiths and backgrounds are welcome. And um,
my daughter's one of my daughter's best friends comes from
that community as well, and I've been with her too
many of these kind of devotional type sessions where we
sit and they pass around different readings from Behind Lies
got some really great aphorisms and kind of very you know,
(09:12):
it's all about peace and getting along with your neighbor
and accepting people for who they are and all that,
but also peppered within their quotes from the Bible and
quotes from the Koran and quotes from all kinds of
different religious texts, and the real emphasis on it is
not worship per se. It's much more about open discussion
and talking about how to make the world a better
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place and get along with your neighbor and you know,
see the best in people. And it's a very empathetic,
kind of kind hearted, uh experience, And I've always left
it feeling very good. And the kids that come to
this thing are all activists, they're all in the community,
they're doing good work. There's this real kind of focus
on reaching out to your community and being part of
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the solution and not using religion as a form of division.
So I've found it to be really nice, uh and
had nothing but good experiences. And I am not a
religious person at all. In fact, I'm quite the opposite.
And I even brought that up even like the first
time I went where I said something like, you know,
this is I kind of forgot the good parts about religion,
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and that's the word I used. And this really reminded
me of the things I liked about going to church
before I kind of turned from it when I was
younger and realized a lot of the negative parts, and
I was told, well, this isn't really a religion. That's
not what this is at all. This is much more
of just a community of people that are trying to
solve problems and kind of see the good in the world.
Can I just tell you, Okay, So, on the day
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we're recording this episode, our other episode, our interview with
John Bryant, UH is coming out, and he is a
musician that joined Nexium for a short time I guess
not that sure, but for a time, and then left
it after a lot of the controversy came out and
he wrote an album about It's really interesting. But in
(10:55):
those discussions when we were interviewing him, we were talking
about that uh Moniker cult, right, and and its application,
and I think it was pretty universally agreed upon that
Nexium was a cult because of the revelations about you know,
it's leader, the person that created it and was the head.
(11:18):
And really what I'm trying to say here is that
his feelings, I don't if you remember this, No, his
feelings of going to the nexium meetings to learning, feeling
like he was sharing in a community and all that stuff.
It sounds similar, and I think that's the basis of
of what we're talking about here, that want to be
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within a community, to have that tribe, to have like
minded people that you can just discuss things with and
learn things with, you know. And I think all religious
movements like this have that in common, no matter what
the you know, the leaders are doing, either in open
or behind closed doors. So it's just, uh, it's interesting
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to me. Yeah, and I have I haven't found any
anything in my research about this that indicated that baha
Allah is anything but kind of a person that connected
people together and encourage people to do good work. And
usually what happens when you start using the throwing around
the cult word is the leader is doing something shady
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and the leader is being users is in some way
or is capitalizing on the fact that he's got this
pull and this power over people and using it for
his own whether it's you know, um carnal pleasure or
personal enrichment or what have you. But that that that's
not the experience that I've had in reading about this
particular faith heard man, and I don't want to take
that away from you or anybody else that believes that.
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I think for me, Coults comes into it when there's
deification of a leader, when like we like we heard
about with Vanguard, remember how he had all of these
uh mystic story is about him that clearly we're not
true about reading when he was like one years old
or something, I mean, which is possibly true, but some
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of the other stuff was just it turned out to
be false absolutely. And it's just one of those things
if you have enough if you have enough light on something,
especially when it's being deified in that way, you might
learn the truth is a little different. And just to
just to sew this up and again, this really is
worth a ton episode, but I almost I don't know.
To me, it's I don't know. There's not a conspiracy
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here per se, but it is an interesting way to
get into that conversation about the difference between a cult
and a religion or a faith. And while you know,
this particular faith is very open to other faiths. In fact,
they believe that God is transcendent and not actually knowable,
but that he has sent I don't know spokespeople, I guess,
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or conduits, you know, in the form of various great
profits throughout history, including Krishna, Zoroaster, Jesus Christ. They accept Buddha, Mohammed.
The Bob, as mentioned earlier, who was kind of the
precursoris with Bob is Um and Behail Law. And I
think what maybe bugs some people is the idea that
behind Law sort of christened himself to be uh God's conduit,
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and that wrote people the wrong way. And I don't
know how I feel about that aspect of it in general,
but the product of that that I've seen in the
way that the people I've interacted with have used it
um has been very positive. And it's a lot of
people that aren't actually members of the faith per se
that come to these meetings because they're just nice. They're
good people, and it's good conversation. And the woman who
has these at our apartment just makes beautiful Persian food,
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and she's a retired doctor and just just all really upstanding,
great people. And I know it sound like I'm just
you know, singing this praises, but I've had nothing but
good experiences with it. So thank you so much for
writing in I hope that that your experience has been
like what my experience was. Yes, we certainly hope that.
All right now, Sean, we're jumping away from the behind faith.
(14:56):
We're coming back to somebody knew we're going to us
into a message that we got. I think it was
around two in the morning when this message came through. Um,
I'm just gonna play it. Hey, my name is Alex,
A big fan of yours. I just wanted to call
because I noticed there's one conspiracy that it seems like
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y'all seem to avoid it every chance possible, one that
you yourself perpetrate. I'm talking, of course, of the mysterious
life of Ben Bowling, from everything from lived in Peru
for a few years to impersonating members of the cloth too.
I'm paraphrasing here, but having a job where when people
were in trouble and no one else could help, they
(15:40):
would call. When are we going to get an episode
about who was Ben Bowling? Also? Sorry about the audio quality.
I got my phone wrapped in foil to keep George
Soros out. Y'all have a good well. First of all,
every episode is a chronicle of the history of what
was sen is Ben bowling. That's right. And you know
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people think of him as this mysterious guy, just this
man living his life. That's just you know, been fired
and on the yeah, been mired with both tragedy and wonders.
But you know he's just your everyday fellow, you know,
just he's been bowling. He's been bowling. He may or
(16:25):
may not be imbued with some metaphysical abilities to blip
in and out of existence and open bend shaped portals
in time space. I can neither confirm nor deny any
of this. We can't confirm or deny any trips intergalactic
or you know whatsoever, where he you know, has to
speak with other representatives from other galaxies. Uh are we
(16:46):
He doesn't do that right now? I mean I don't know,
I can't speak. I haven't seen it personally. Uh, but
it's you know, Ben's a bends a Ben's a very
multifaceted character. Yes, On the one hand, he is n
Bowland as we love and know him, our pal and friend, compatriot.
But sometimes he goes off the grid, like right now,
for example, I don't know where the hell he is
(17:08):
and what he's up to. He could be anywhere and everywhere,
all at once. You could be any time. He really
could be. And honestly, you know, think of it this way.
If you don't know where Ben is at any given
point in time, he's probably behind you, just sitting there watching, listening.
(17:29):
I want you marinate on that a little bit. I
take quick sponsor break, and we're back, as Matt would say,
with no delay. I think he said that once, and
I just liked it so much. I wasn't sure if
that was where you cripping that from a hip hop
thing or something, or I think I'm just talking about
the aspect of we got to edit it this way
(17:52):
so that we came back immediately after the end. That's right, Okay,
that's fair because through the magic of podcasting, uh, time
is is not really a thing we have to worry about.
That's right. One thing we do have to worry about
is all the trash that's just piling up on this
Planet's filling filling up the oceans, it's clogging up the interstate.
(18:13):
And that's why we're gonna listen to this next call.
Hey guys, UH love listening to your show. One thing, um,
I've always wondered in is it a conspiracy is plasma
trash recycling, the plasma arch trash recycling. Basically, wenna use
plasma to burn off all your trash. I mean it's
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they've got systems in Oregon and I think in Washington
and around the world. I wanted to science, but why
isn't this a big thing? I mean, I don't think
the cost is that great. But maybe it's the trash
guys that just don't want to start doing this kind
of stuff and then whant to keep taking your land
(18:55):
and when I don't know, So maybe you guys can
look into it a little more and I we aren't
doing this thing that would help the planet and help
us to you know, get wind of landfills. So anyway,
thanks guys, keep up the great work. Back Okay, I'm
gonna jump in here and say it's also being used
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to Japan and even more places than our caller mentioned.
Our anonymous caller there, thank you for calling. By the way, UM,
plasma waste converters are fascinating and we've we've we've known
about them for a long time here at stuff they
don't want you to know. Ben and I actually got
to talk to a professor at Georgia Tech, who was
(19:36):
one of the original people creating this technology. So let
let's talk about what it is really fascinable. Um. They
there are these devices that use a process called plasma
gasification to treat trash and it literally breaks the trash
down into its molecular parts. So you're talking about nitrogen, carbon,
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all kinds of asses that are created through this. And
then you get this one other thing called slag, which
is it kind of looks like obsidian, basically like a
black stone. Yeah, it's used in like metal production or
like the slag pits. It's like an offshoot of I
believe industrial iron works and things like that. Yeah, it
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can be used, and that stuff be using all kinds
of different things. One of the biggest I guess possible
future uses for this stuff would be for building materials
on homes and on streets on you know, rather than asphalt,
using this kind of substance. Um. And it could be huge.
And imagine if we lived in a world where all
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the trash that we create every day and all of
us do it no matter how awesome you are at
attempting to help the planet by reducing you are creating
trash just in your everyday life. And imagine if we
could take all of that and just turn it into
building materials. That would be awesome. Because when the other
thing is when you create the gases by eooting these
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these this plasma at trash, you can generate power because
the gas can be sent off at high pressure to
run a turbine and there you go, You've got electricity.
How cool is that. It's amazing, But there are a
bunch of problems with it. The and when I say
a bunch, I mean one giant problem, and that's just
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how expensive it is to get it up and running.
In Seen, the Bahamas was looking into getting just one
plasma trash converter system, essentially a pilot project, running to
the tune of six and fifty million dollars, Yes, six
hundred and fifty million dollars. And I think and this
has honestly been the problem since this technology was created.
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It costs so much money to get going, then you're
gonna only incrementally make your money back over decades. And
there are a lot of places localities, you know, local government,
state governments, whatever, national governments that aren't willing to make
that kind of investment too. Then only make it back
over a long period of time, because at the end
(22:05):
of the day, municipal waste is a business in some sense,
and it's all about cost analysis, cost benefit analysis or whatever.
And there was a statement that was made regarding this
Bahamainian project by a group called the w R d G.
Do you know that stands for man w R. It's
probably like waste something something in the group. There you go,
that's that's plenty good. Um, just saying that it's not
(22:26):
commercially commercially viable, that it makes no economic sense. And
they were quoted and saying, show us the facility that
has worked and that has you know, sustained over time,
and they could not point to one, and um it
was you know it ultimately said, oh, also, you need
fifteen hundred tons per day of combustibles in order to
(22:46):
feed the facility. Well, and that's and that's to make
the energy production work. And they only produce about five
hundred tons per day of combustible waste. That means they
would have to mind more materials in order to actually
make the system war where I was generating that amount
of energy. Yeah, but just yes, I and I see
your point. Guys, uh, in the Bahamas. It's just imagine
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if you could take all of the plastic waste in
the ocean and gather it all up and then just
start running it through these these machines and getting slag
and energy out of it. I don't see why we
wouldn't as uh, you know, a species, decide that that's
an important thing to do, because it seems viable enough
to me. We have billions and trillions of dollars to
(23:31):
throw around. We're just using it for different means like
war and stuff. Um, But you know, it's a it's
a it's a long game proposition right where it makes
sense for the planet, which also kind of should be
looked at it as a long game proposition taking care
of the planet and all that. Also, I don't know
if you saw there's a study that doesn't seem to
be making the rounds very widely, that we have achieved
kind of critical levels of CO two in the atmosphere
(23:53):
just just happened too. Then, I have to haven't seen
it on the news really at all. It seems like
it's a bit of a buried lead. But how do
you even talk about it? Well, it's just depressing and
it literally says that within forty years the planet could
become uninhabitable because of this. Not being alarmists here, that's
just what the climate scientists are saying in the research
behind this. Also, this is something I'd like to do
an episode on. Apparently Exxon Mobile knew about this in
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nineteen four They had a study out where they knew
that the amount of c O two in the atmosphere
over time would be this bad by now, and they
did nothing to stop him. Short game, That's what I'm saying.
That's my point, though it should be a long game.
The idea that the the argument is, Oh, it doesn't
make sense in the short term for us to make money,
(24:38):
but shouldn't the proposition really be, well, let's maybe lose
a little money in the short term for a long
term benefit. And that's what you're saying, and I completely agree.
But that's not how business works, is it, right? Yeah, exactly,
And it's really depressing. And it's been this way since
two thousand seven when I first learned about this technology
with Jonathan Strickland, who wrote an article and also works
(24:59):
about this, and then Ben and I got to go
interview the guy. Um and I haven't seen anything really
any big news story about plasma conversion technology since then.
So it's all good, or as Ben would say, everything
is terrible and we're all gonna die, you know, it's
(25:19):
maybe it's that maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle,
and uh, I believe the children are our future. Yeah,
well yeah, thank you anonymous person, whoever you are, for
writing into us. That's a cool topic and maybe we
can talk about it more in the future. It might
be worth digging into and I don't know, attacking with
some plasma Let's let's attack this with some plasma torches. Okay, Now,
(25:41):
let's move on to the next one. This message. I'm
not sure what happened with our phone lines, but we
seem to intercept a conversation that we weren't supposed to.
Thanks for calling Beasley Food Enterprise. How can I help you?
How can I direct your call up? Looking? No, sir, sir, Hello,
(26:04):
I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying. Do you
speak English? Okay? No, I'm sorry, I don't speak in Okium.
I've never heard of that. How can I drink your
calls or um? No, I'm sorry. Mr Lightbringer is not
in the office today, Can I take a message? Uh,
(26:31):
Mr Paymon, and you're from Long Pig Industries. Okay, and
this is regarding oh it's our meat supply. Okay, um, okay,
I will let him know. Did you I'm sorry? Was
(26:52):
there something else? Global Illumination Unlimited? I'm sorry there are
sister company? Should I I can redirect you? I can? Yeah,
hold on a second, please hold thank you. Well, like
I said, that conversation, I don't think was meant for
our years and my ears actually, when they say your
(27:15):
ears are burning, my ears actually started burning. They started
getting really hot. I started smelling sulfur, and uh, it
was a very strange experience. In fact, the speaker on
the phone when I picked it up and we listened
to it on speaker phone kind of black goose started
oozing out of it too. Yeah. Yeah, it was a
real problem. No, now that I think about it, I
did it on my laptop and I think it really
(27:36):
might have messed up my keyboard, like I've have been
having problems with it ever since. It's really sticky and
oh man, well, all I know is that Long Pig Industries.
And did you hear Illumination Global and Limited? Yeah? Yeah,
I hadn't thought about them in a while. I thought
they kind of bailed on us. But I guess they're
always kind of around the corner, aren't they. I guess
(27:57):
they are. Oh, that's okay, let's maybe the best thing
to do is just to move on that. Yeah, that
was too disturbing. It never happened. Okay, let's let's go
to Brandon. Brandon, what do you got for us? Hey,
Matt ben Noel and super producer Paul long story shirt.
I've worked at cell phone companies corporate locations for about
(28:19):
the past five years up until recently, and there is
a lot of stuff that they don't want you to
know in the cell phone industry. And after listening to
some of your shows for the past six years that
you guys have made, I haven't really seen too many
shows on the cell phone industry in general. So I
(28:41):
just wanted to be a personal source of information if
you guys ever did think about making a show like that.
I used to work at Verizon Corporate from two thousand
and thirteen to two thousand and sixteen, and then after
that I transferred to a place called US Cellular, which
is a regional cellphone carrier from two thousand and six
(29:03):
to two thousand and eighteen. So yeah, I definitely have
a handle on sales practices, techniques, scandal and if you
guys had any one day, any information on that, I
would be more than happy to give that to you guys. Okay,
So these these little devices we've all got here, it
(29:25):
seems like there may be more something behind them and
as a podcast. But Matt just picked up his little
device and he's holding it right next to his face. Yeah,
I really am running it gently, lovingly, and some of
that radiation out of this baby, I'm interested to know.
I guess what I'm assuming A lot of things that
this person would be talking about our um, like how
(29:47):
much a phone costs, how much, like how these companies
make their money back, um, perhaps the the manufacturing process.
I don't know exactly what the cell phone in story
doesn't want me to know, besides the fact that text
messaging should not cost anything or much at all because
(30:07):
of how little stuff is actually uh transmitted, unless, of course,
you're sending gifts and videos and all those things via
text messaging, then it's a lot of data. What do
um I send constant gifts everybody I've I've seen it.
I'm a Giffer win one for the Giffer that's me.
You know, you also do this is cool that we
(30:28):
can talk about. You also do a thing that not
a lot of my other friends do, and you will
put ideas like a single idea, and then send and
then like almost like sentence structure with sending, so that
when you're talking to me, I get all of the
thoughts broken up, which is actually a lot easier than
it's a lot easier for me to read and to understand.
(30:51):
I end up typing out a paragraph or two before
I send a text. Generally, when it's small print like that,
it's hard to like get the need of it one glance,
you know. Alright, cool? Well, I thought I was annoying
because they like those. I feel like I'm blown up
people's phones. But I do try to make them little
text nuggets, you know. I think it's a factor. I
don't know, maybe just because I haven't been as immersed
(31:13):
in a lot of the social networking, a lot of
the ways of communication with other people via this little phone. Um,
but it's more appealing. I would just have to say that,
And also good work. I'm gonna try and start incorporating
that into my life a little more. Hey, let us
know what you think. How do you text? Is it
a bunch of stuff and emojis all in one big
(31:34):
block or do you get your points across uh succinctively
in like single thoughts basically, but maybe a whole series
of them. Hey, how do you use your phone? And
what do you think they don't want you to know about,
either how you're using it or why you've even got
one in the first place. Let's find out more of
(31:54):
the stuff they don't want you to know about phones.
Thank you so much for calling in, And with that,
we're gonna take a quick break in here from a sponsor.
Al Right, we are back, and let's go ahead and
get started with a message from Patrick. Hi. I'm Patrick Keenan.
(32:18):
As you can tell, I'm an excellent musician, but I'm
also a big fan of stuff they don't want you
to know. And I was listening to the Finders episode.
In the Finder's episode, during a very brief side conversation,
I would say you alluded to the fact that, you know,
maybe a Mr Ted Cruz could be possible for the
(32:41):
second iteration of Zodiac murders. As in being the second
iteration of the Zodiac Killer. I fully support this, uh,
this this theory and and in fact I would say
that you guys have been dealing in finer, finer detail,
and so I think sometimes you missed a larger picture.
(33:01):
It's clear to me that Mr Ted Cruz has left
through time, as you say, but not not in the
same way that you think he did. What he had
was connections obviously his father being the true assassin of
John F. Kennedy. Everybody's records had to be changed, and
it just so happened that Ted Cruise became born in
(33:24):
vent when he was in fact born four years earlier,
So that would put him at five years old when
he was apprenticing under the previous Vodia Killer. And a
lot of people don't know this, but the previous Vodio
Act Killer was one of the victims that was passing
the torch onto Ted Cruz. And of course Ted Cruise
has become a lot more healed and probably a better
(33:46):
person than I'm changing him to be. You have permission
to use every second of this audio. Thank you, goodbye.
Every second, well, every second of that audio was a
pure joy. Um. Yeah, I don't know about all that.
That's really interesting. Well, okay, so I'm trying to remember
our conversation. I know we talked about that, like babies
(34:07):
sitting on each other's shoulders wearing a suit. He was
he was a baby or know what it was he was.
It would have been a baby, yeah, because the first
murders occurred before he was born, so then he was
some weird in utero things. Sure, God, I can't even
He had to recruit some of his baby buds to like,
you know, do the whole shoulder thing posing as a
as a as an adult serial killer. Um. And then
(34:28):
they have to figure out how to get the weird
bag mask on and like, you know, how to wield
up bowie knife. And I mean there's a lot going
into this equation here, Matt, you're the zodiac expert in
case people don't know, what do you think about this theory? Well,
I like, I mean, I like Pastor, who, by the way,
is but you can tell by the first second of
that tape a fantastic musician. He his idea that perhaps
(34:53):
Ted Cruz was that chopsticks. It's not chopsticks, it's it's
the other one. You learn you learned chopsticks, so then
you learn that one that's the one you can play
with your knuckles. That's just on the black keys. That's
it really really great band. But this idea that a
five year old Ted Cruz, whose whose date of birth
(35:14):
was changed because of his father's involvement with the assassination
of jfk uh as a five year old was apprenticing
under the original Zodiac Killer then became the second iteration
of the Zodiac Killer. I just I want Patrick, I
want you to write a comic or a novel of
some sort and then get back to us, because I
think you should expand on this idea and I'm on board.
(35:37):
That's all. I'll just say, thank you so much for
for listening and for sending us that awesome message. Alright,
let's listen find the next one, Okay. Now, this message
comes from a gentleman that we're going to refer to
as Herman, and it's a bit long. There are three
messages that he left that all build on each other,
(35:58):
and her Herman. Herman is he's got a fascinating job
and he's calling us to comment on our who will
control the Arctic episode? Yeah, it's sort of about sovereignty. Right, Yes,
so let's just go ahead and listen to that. His
voice will be changed to protect the innocent. That's right. Hi, guys,
(36:18):
I'm calling in regards to the Who Controls the North
Pole episode. Um, I've I've listened to it a few
days ago. I've been humming haunt about calling. But I've
been a fan of the show for a long time,
so I figured i'd give you guys a quick chime.
This is gonna have to be a two parter. I've
already tried twice to fit it into three minutes. That
just doesn't work. Um. I'm a member of the Royal
(36:39):
Canadian Mounts to Police in Canada, and uh, if you
guys didn't know, which I'm sure you do, but still uh.
The RCMP is responsible for a lot of policing duties,
including federal investigations in Canada, but also doing regular policing
duties in the northern territories where we have all of
our North poler Arctic Circle uh land, such as uh
(37:04):
staffin Island, Elsmere Island and so on. So the storm
I'm gonna tell you is not from me, but it's
from a very good friend and colleague of mine where
he used to work as as a regular patrol officer
up in Nutabout, which is one of the territories on
one of those northern islands. Well, one morning in the summer,
(37:26):
when the ice had thought um he uh, he came
to uh. He came across uh two men that had
come ashore on the shore of the island. Now, this
is unusual in many ways. First off, this is a
very very remote and small community. We're talking about maybe
a hundred of people on the entire island. Um. It's
(37:47):
it's what we call a fly in uh community, which
means that there are obviously no roads, but uh the
quickest and easiest way it is just a fly in there.
But it's about a two days boat, right if if
you want to do it uh through water. Um, So
this is very unusual. It's also very unusual because the
two guys are neither annually or uh locals. So most
(38:13):
white people that are up there work for the government
and are on our rotation. It's it's just the way
it is. And so he goes to them. They're not
in a makeshift raft, but not a very big boat.
He described it to me as being a little more
than covered up a row boats and again this just
acid the unusual because we're talking about basically open Arctic ocean.
(38:38):
So he walks up to them, thinking that they're in
distress or something, but again, you know, kind of puzzled
about what's going on. So the two guys, he goes
up to them and he says, well, do you guys
needs helping at fort their things? No, no no, no, we're good.
We're good. And obviously this is too odd. So he's like, no, no,
this is okay, something's up. So he starts drilling them,
trying to figure out what's going on. And so eventually
(39:01):
they say, well, we're we're we got lost fishing and
we're just taking a break. And so he's like, but
there's no fishing here. This is this is open ocean,
and and there is no fishing really up there on
account of the ice and whatnot. A lot of seal
and whale hunting, but no fishing. So this is extremely suspicious.
But you know, he's got no real grounds to arrest
(39:23):
them or anything like that. They're just very strange. He
also notices that they have a heavy Russian accent. So
my friend, being a very clever guy, and I say this,
you know, I think every word of it. He's a
very intelligent individual, very good investigator. He starts drilling them
and at first they really don't want to give up
(39:44):
any kind of information as like that. But eventually you
get to a point where they finally admit being Russian nationals,
and their official reason for being there was that the
decided to go on an exploration of the Arctic well
again in little more than a covered rowboat. Might I say, so,
(40:05):
you know, odd at best, but this became kind of
a like a known issue if you, if you will,
where we the r KMP in the Canadian military are
well aware that Russian nationals and Russian expeditions not all unofficial,
mind you, but Russian expeditions do on a fairly regular
(40:28):
basis come ashore in the northern Islands of Canada, and
our best guests on why they do this is because
they want to make sure that we're still asserting sovereignty
on this land. They probably we're hoping that by coming
ashore on an uninhabited island, they could challenge the fact
that it was actually Canadian, because you know what what
(40:51):
defined sovereignty on on on on land. So yeah, I
made this story very very short. Uh. There's a few
more details, but basically that's the gist of it. Uh.
And and again, this is a fairly common occurrence, at
least more frequent than what would think. So yeah, the
Russian government has always denied any implication in this. I'm
(41:13):
not thinking it happens like every week. Um, but again,
it happens more frequently than you would believe. And um, yeah,
it's it's it's a very very valid argument. Uh. And
I thought that your research was actually really on point
as far as the Arctic circle game that's going on
(41:34):
in Russia and China's claims to it. All right, well
there you have it. Story from herman. What did your
take on that? Man, I'm fascinated by this. I really
am sad that Ben is not here because I think
he would expound on this a lot, just this concept
of testing whether or not sovereignty is still being enforced
(41:57):
in a place like the Arctic. When we we literally
talked about that on the show. And and this is
a gentleman who works in law enforcement up there who
was stating that, yes, that very thing is happening between
Canada and Russia right now. It's interesting This isn't quite
the same thing as sovereignty, but it sort of is
sort of more states, right, it's been And I did
an episode on Ridiculous History the other day about this
(42:19):
weird conflict between Ohio and Michigan over a strip of
land because of the way the borders were drawn inaccurately,
because the maps at the time weren't right. Um, there
became this little strip of land where Toledo was that
was up for grabs or up for debate as to
who owned it, as to which which state it belonged to,
(42:40):
and they ended up doing something where one state just
decided to set up a militia and start like going
about it as though they owned it. And it's that
kind of pushing the buttons and testing to see, you know,
who is gonna flex and like st you're gonna stop
us exactly, anyone's gonna come along and do something about it.
And obviously it's this guy's part of the Royal Mountain
(43:00):
Police to to do something about it, right and to
exercise their sovereignty. Well, yeah, it's part of his job.
It seems like in some of the people, the other
people he was mentioning in the message, Man and what
a job too, just like going around in a boat
in the Arctic or a ship in the Arctic and uh,
testing those waters or just making sure that sovereignty is
(43:21):
being enforced. Hey, you're not supposed to be here. Yeah,
out of here your Russians. Oh really you're fishing? Huh. Okay,
well we're just I'm gonna hang out while you guys
finish up. Okay, what's what's the what's the potential like
wrongdoing there? Can you can you explain that to me?
My only potential wrong doing? My only thought, and again
(43:41):
I really wish Ben was here, is that you could
set up some kind of small facility or outpost on
an island like that or a small area that isn't
very populated if you were trying to do that for
one reason or another, or maybe even some kind of
underwater thing. I don't know exactly what it would be.
I can't really envision it, but I'm sure I'm sure
(44:04):
there are a lot of uses for it, especially when
you're talking about oil rig drilling, um and probably military
for military uses. Do you think that's what was happening here?
I don't know, but you know what, maybe we should
try and get Herman to reach back out to us.
We could do a whole episode on it. Yeah, I
mean nice, actually have a little back and forth instead
of just hearing the kind of condensed version of the story. Right, yeah, exactly. Um, okay, well,
(44:29):
thanks Herman. Get back at us with a burner phone
or wherever however else you want to contact us. We's
that something up and we'll give you I think we
did already in the magic of post gave you kind
of a voice disguise, right, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Okay,
let's get back to the next the next message. Now,
this one just I'm gonna put this out there. I
(44:50):
don't have a lot of research on this topic yet.
I remember hearing about it back in the day and
collecting a bunch of links, but I haven't I haven't
connected anything together to talk about on this episode. This
what you're about to hear is essentially a preview of
a show that I think we should do in the
near future. Ahi, guys. I was just listening back to
(45:12):
an older episode about the sonic weapons on the Cuba
and the lad device, um, something that was kind of
listening to one day, and while I was kind of cute.
Onto was the documentary about a movie that was to
be made called Gray State. Um, this movie that man
(45:33):
never was made because the producer of the filmmaker was
in a family were killed in a suicide type of
homicide situation. Um, it was very tragic. But in the
documentary regarding the film and it was the family and such,
(45:55):
they have some clips that they pulled off of a
blog site that freaked me out a little bit, just
because in these clips these people were clearly experiencing hallucinations
of sorts and reclusion and depression, all kind of at
the snap of the finker, it seems, and we're freaking
(46:17):
me out about this was because exposure to UM, a
high volume of extremely low destible sounds for a long
period of time causes these exact things. So it was
the chance that that device could be used on a
personal situation like that. Anyway, then thanks, but okay, thank
(46:38):
you for calling in anonymous person. The topic you're talking
about here, the movie called Gray State that was going
to be created by and directed by and I believe
even to a to a portion edited by a man
named David Crowley. It was it was in two thousand
and ten. I believe when when David Crowley was actually
(47:01):
working on this film, and recently in twenty seventeen, there
was a documentary about the the creation of that movie,
or the guess the failed creation of that movie, called
a Gray State came out and it looks fascinating. I
have not watched the entire documentary yet, but he's he's correct.
(47:22):
Our caller is correct in saying that David Crowley and
his entire family were We're all killed in what appears
to be, at least officially UM a series of homicides
and then a suicide, with David Crowley UM being the
person who took his own life after killing his family.
And there's a lot of controversy about this occurrence, this
(47:46):
tragedy that happened to David and his family because of
the nature of the subjects that are looked at in
the movie Gray State that he was working on, essentially
UM about how the United States was going to be
controlled by a paramilitary force or you know, an ultra
military force that of just tyranny, essentially UM, and he
(48:11):
wanted to warn people that that was coming, and and
that's what the whole movie was about. So anyway, I
think we should do an entire an entire episode on this.
By the way, Werner Hertzog was an executive producer on
A Great State That documentary. All Um, I thought that
was interesting. Yeah, I really think this is something I
need to look more into. And if Herzog has to
(48:31):
do with the film, um, he is a master documentary
and in addition to being a master narrative filmmaker and
usually has really interesting topics that he believes in. So
I mean there must be something here, especially for a
man to take such extreme action. Um. You know, not
to say that there's definitely a government cover up, but
at the same time, it could just be a story
(48:52):
of someone's mental health deteriorating. Again, I haven't seen the
whole thing, but we're gonna look into it and hopefully
you can too, and then will learn more together in
an episode in the future. So thanks for calling in. Uh,
this is the last one. We gotta get out of here. Guys.
I'm sorry that our time is running out here in
the studio. Let's do this last last one from Mario
(49:14):
and his family. Hey, it's Mario, my son and I
were just listening to the cell phones five G cancer
episode and at eight minutes and five seconds and there's
an interesting uh the thing that no you day, he said, KOEI,
so we're just when we went that, man, we played
(49:35):
it over and over and over again and just thought
it was so funny. Anyways, just had to share, all right, calculator,
that little stab at listen. I am so glad to
be such a non ending social amusement for all you
out there in podcast land. Um. Yeah, that's my secret
code word that I'm just like dropping in conversation just
(49:59):
to try to like mind control people. That's that's what
Yank is. Well, why don't we listen back to a
clip of the episode and see see what it actually so,
I have no recollection of saying this. I got to
hear this. Okay, here goes. But these have maybe looked
like those crazy backpack phones you see in uh in
some war films. Not nearly as advanced at that point,
(50:19):
but it would still being quite bulky. Probably. Yeah, yeah,
I needed huge antennas, right Okay, wait yoi YOI yeah,
it's some sort it's like a sasquatch. Uh. It just
sounds like you're starting thought and then you switched gears. Yeah,
as my landlord just pointed out to me the other day.
I talk very fast. I think very fast. That sounds
(50:41):
like I'm giving myself a compliment. But sometimes my mouth
and my brain do not align, and I need to
walk it back real quick, and sometimes I do it
in the form of a YOI. I like it. I
can hear it one more time, please, Just just the
part you see in U in some war films, not
nearly as advanced at that point, but they would still
be quite a yoi AOI. All right, that's a new
(51:04):
part of our vocabulary. Everyone a YOI and ahoy Matee's
podcast Matie's a YOI and ahoy. I'm gonna go on
a shirt. We play the other one though, there's a
nice one about me. Oh, there is a really nice
one about you know. I like this one made me
feel good and and I'm I'm nothing if not vain,
so I want to I love to end the show
on this note. Hey guys, uh, I don't know. I
(51:26):
accidentally hung up when instead of pressing three, so I
don't know if you got the last one. It's okay,
not really that a big deal. And I just actually
watched one of your YouTube videos and you know how
you when you just listen to something or you read
a book, you kind of visualize the characters of the people.
(51:46):
And I gotta say, Matt and Ben kinda kind of
look like what I what I thought to you, how
I pictured you in my head? But no, I always
pictured you as an Alec Baldwin type character. Uh one
part cast you mentioned you were divorced and you already
had a kid that was six or something at this time.
It's like a little seven year old kid or whatever,
(52:10):
and it just made me think you're older in the
vocal fry, I think added to the whole Alex Baldwin thing.
I don't know you're you're a handsome Hygrid type dude.
So I got the wrong impression I used, Uh, yeah,
I love you guys. Well, um, you see, as it
turns out, I actually am Alec Baldwin. And that's really
(52:34):
the stuff that we don't. You want you to know.
I don't understand it's Alec Baldwin talking to me, but
I'm looking at a handsome Hagrid type. He didn't say,
did you say Hagrid? Yeah, he said a handsome Hagrid.
I thought he said handsome hybrid. Oh that's not a compliment.
I don't. I don't care for that one bit, like
reptilian hybrid, like I was sort of like an Alec Baldwin. Oh,
(52:56):
I don't know, man, I was like a company. Okay,
handsome Hagrid? Is that or not handsome or haggard? I
don't know what he's saying, he said. He's saying, hagrid.
I think now you know what and now coming back
into my normal voice, and I'm upset about this. He
said handsome, He called you handsome. You know, it implies
that I'm like some sort of weird gigant or or
something like that. What are you talking about he's saying.
(53:17):
He's saying, your beard is fantastic. Okay, and you're younger.
You're a younger man than he envisioned. That's fair. Well, yeah,
they have lived a rough life, right, hence the vocal
fry and the and the child and the divorce. Yeah,
I'll do my best, though. I know that's funny, it's true,
and I understand that like kind of like disconnect between
what you hear and what's your eyes behold, especially when
(53:38):
there's a time that goes by and you've made this
mental image of the person Josh and Chuck from stuff
you should know always joke about how people get them
flipped in their minds, and that's that's very true. But yeah,
it's me, This is me, um and you are you
still has been stuff they don't want you to know.
The bend shaped vortex is starting to pull us in
(54:00):
to the abyss. I feel like he's summoning us to
where he is on whatever astral plane he's currently occupying.
So it's really better we better, we better allow ourselves
to be pulled into his his his maelstrom. For some reason,
I'm I'm getting a hangering for some chips, like some
some I don't know, classic style chips, like with the dips, Yeah,
(54:21):
with the dips. I think he's isn't he more of
like you know? He likes the sour cream and onion, Yeah,
I can. I can see that, and maybe some pizza
you feel in pizza, And he likes the pizzerias, the
pizza chips vintage I've seen. They're hard to come by.
But if anyone, well, of course he does. If anyone
knows where to find pizzeria chips, it's Ben Bowling. He's
got that bag that he can just reach into and
(54:42):
then stuff appears. It's true. Yeah, that's like I said,
Ben can Ben is a bit of a space folder.
He can he can make things happen. Um. But he
will be returning to us very soon, and we will
be returning to you very soon. In the meantime, if
you want to hit us up on the social media,
you can do so. We are conspiracy stuff show I
think right on his on Instagram. That's the one. Uh.
If you want to hit me up on Instagram, feel
(55:03):
like compelled to do so and see me and all
my handsome hagrid activities, you know, hanging out with Harry
and the boys and and Hermione and you're having adventures. Um,
you can do that. I'm at embryonic Insider. Um, Matt,
what's here is? Yeah, if you want to see, oh gosh,
like pictures and videos and like sweet memes and stuff
of me and my son playing lightsabers all day long. Uh,
(55:29):
don't follow me because you won't see those pictures because
I don't have a thing. No, Matt keeps that stuff
very close to the vest, understandably. So the Internet is
a hive of scum and villany, of course it is.
But it's also you know what, Like anything else, it's
also a hive of delight. It's all about which corners
of the Internet you traverse. Um. You can join our
(55:50):
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You can also do the Twitter where I think we
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It's right. You can never come back. You can never
unknow the stuff they don't want you to know. That's
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that's why. It's the stuff they don't want you to know.
That's right. And today we're going to be looking at
some serious suggestions for episodes that we may cover in
the few Sure, we're going to be looking at just
some strange occurrences that happened on the voicemail system, some
lighter fair some stuff on the wacky air more comedic side.
You know, we can take a joke as good as
the rest of them than the conspiracy space. To be honest,
(02:14):
it's definitely my favorite a little bit of light, light,
happy things in my day, especially considering some of the
stuff that you're working on outside of the show, Matt,
not to peep behind the curtain too far, but you're
sort of mired in some real grizzly stuff. Uh yeah, yeah,
And you guys are my counseling, So thank you. Keep
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it up, and let's go ahead and get started with
one of those counseling sessions from Sean. Hey there, my
name is Sean Cutches. I was wondering if you guys
could do research into a religion called the Bohigh Face. Um.
I was brought up in it and I've fully been
able to find so much information. I'd love to know
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what you guys think about it. Thanks. Bye. Okay, first
of all, this is going to be sort of a little,
I don't know, a little bit of a snippet kind
of show. Um. That absolutely is something that deserves its
own episode. Uh. It's fascinating, and it is one of
these things where it's a religion that makes it onto
lists sometimes that refer to it as a cult. And
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I think the reason for that is is because fairly
or otherwise, the the person in charge or the person
that created this faith is a relatively modern individual historically speaking, right, Yeah,
it only goes back to the eight hundreds. Eighteen sixty
three is when it was officially founded, and you know,
(03:38):
over the scope of human history and when a lot
of the what you would call the big r religions,
the capital our religions were formed. This is significantly further
in the future. It was founded in Iran Uh and
it's got some interesting things about it. It's got some
interesting characteristics. Well, it's sort of started as a bit
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of a protest religion in some ways because the the
gentleman that that founded it was born Mirza Hussein Ali
in eighteen seventeen to a family of Persian nobility. He
came from great privilege and received, as you know, was
traditional in that part of the world and Islamic education,
but it wasn't the kind of very very strict and
(04:21):
technical education that that others might have. But despite that,
he became completely fascinated by his studies and took it
even further. He became a very very renowned poet and calligrapher.
He learned swordsmanship and became a very very talented horseman,
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and he came to something of a divine revelation through
studying the Quran and Arabic. So at the age of
twenty seven Um, the man who would go on to
become biha A Law, became a follower of a very
influential leader named the Bob. Just a little bit more
background on the Bob was born said Ali Mohammed Shirazi,
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and he founded something that ended up being a precursor
to the Behigh Faith known as Bob is Um. And
he had all these writings and papers, and when he
passed away, baha' Lah carried on his teachings became this
very very devout follower of his. Then Bahail Law was
imprisoned because he was perceived as having had a hand
in an attempt on the life of the Shah of Iran,
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and he was locked in a basically a dungeon that
was referred to the translation is the black pit. And
while he was in there, he came up with all
of these chants and prayers that he shared with some
of the other folks that were imprisoned in there, and
it became this very unifying experience where they all could
achieve peace and not fear for their lives and have
this kind of almost zen flow state that they achieved together. Wow,
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peace through suffering. That's that's intense. And while he was
in prison, Bahaila actually had a vision of what he
refers to as the most great Spirit, which is in
the form of a woman like sort of descending from
on high, who told him that he had a divine
mission and that he would be given assistance from beyond. Wow.
(06:11):
And then he created a new faith like through all
of that he did, And there's a lot more that
goes into this. That's why it really does deserve its
own episode. Um. He was exiled, he was forced to
live in Baghdad and I Rock for ten years, and
that's where he met some other followers of the bob
Um religion, and then he became seen as basically a prophet. Yeah. Well,
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and you know that's we've noticed over the years that
a lot of these movements begin with one person, generally, right,
who's then seen as more than just a teacher, a teacher,
but more than that, right, And I think that this
fits the bill. Some of the really cool stuff about
the b High Faith, when you just look at it
on the surface, is that it's very much or at
least it Um outwardly says to be a unifying religion
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or unifying belief system. It's about equality that genders and
you know there are there's only one race of humankind, right,
and it believes that all of the prophets that have
come through everyone from Um, Abraham and Moses to Zoroaster,
Jesus and the prophet Mohammed, each one of these was
just an iteration and getting to see aspects of God
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through the the actions and the teachings of these different prophets.
And it's all one single God that all of these
uh these prophets have essentially been worshiping and following. It's
really cool, but again there's there's not a ton well,
there is a lot of information, Like if you go
to BBC, dot co dot UK they've even got a
(07:46):
whole like outline, a whole page here that just tells
you all about the High Faith and on. Here it
mentions that there are around six million Behidh in the
world in two hundred and thirty five countries, and around
six thousand that live in Britain alone. Again, it's the
BBC website. So I guess Sean who wrote to us,
(08:07):
I I'd like to know more about your personal experience,
I think in the Behind Faith, I'd like to know what, uh,
you know, what kinds of things are you taught? What
are the worship sessions like, I'd like to learn more
from you. But no, you have a connection to it
as well, right, yeah, I do. Um. I feel like
we've talked a lot about on the show the difference
(08:28):
between or the distinctions that are drawn between the idea
of a religion and the idea of a cult, where
one person's religion is another person's cult. And to me,
cult has always used as a term of abuse, and
religion tends to be raised up as something that has
a little bit more legitimacy. Um, And I think the
use of cult is very unfair in this sense because
(08:49):
it is ultimately kind of an open ended type faith
where people of all faiths and backgrounds are welcome. And um,
my daughter's one of my daughter's best friends comes from
that community as well, and I've been with her too
many of these kind of devotional type sessions where we
sit and they pass around different readings from Behind Lies
got some really great aphorisms and kind of very you know,
(09:12):
it's all about peace and getting along with your neighbor
and accepting people for who they are and all that,
but also peppered within their quotes from the Bible and
quotes from the Koran and quotes from all kinds of
different religious texts, and the real emphasis on it is
not worship per se. It's much more about open discussion
and talking about how to make the world a better
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place and get along with your neighbor and you know,
see the best in people. And it's a very empathetic,
kind of kind hearted, uh experience, And I've always left
it feeling very good. And the kids that come to
this thing are all activists, they're all in the community,
they're doing good work. There's this real kind of focus
on reaching out to your community and being part of
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the solution and not using religion as a form of division.
So I've found it to be really nice, uh and
had nothing but good experiences. And I am not a
religious person at all. In fact, I'm quite the opposite.
And I even brought that up even like the first
time I went where I said something like, you know,
this is I kind of forgot the good parts about religion,
(10:14):
and that's the word I used. And this really reminded
me of the things I liked about going to church
before I kind of turned from it when I was
younger and realized a lot of the negative parts, and
I was told, well, this isn't really a religion. That's
not what this is at all. This is much more
of just a community of people that are trying to
solve problems and kind of see the good in the world.
Can I just tell you, Okay, So, on the day
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we're recording this episode, our other episode, our interview with
John Bryant, UH is coming out, and he is a
musician that joined Nexium for a short time I guess
not that sure, but for a time, and then left
it after a lot of the controversy came out and
he wrote an album about It's really interesting. But in
(10:55):
those discussions when we were interviewing him, we were talking
about that uh Moniker cult, right, and and its application,
and I think it was pretty universally agreed upon that
Nexium was a cult because of the revelations about you know,
it's leader, the person that created it and was the head.
(11:18):
And really what I'm trying to say here is that
his feelings, I don't if you remember this, No, his
feelings of going to the nexium meetings to learning, feeling
like he was sharing in a community and all that stuff.
It sounds similar, and I think that's the basis of
of what we're talking about here, that want to be
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within a community, to have that tribe, to have like
minded people that you can just discuss things with and
learn things with, you know. And I think all religious
movements like this have that in common, no matter what
the you know, the leaders are doing, either in open
or behind closed doors. So it's just, uh, it's interesting
(12:00):
to me. Yeah, and I have I haven't found any
anything in my research about this that indicated that baha
Allah is anything but kind of a person that connected
people together and encourage people to do good work. And
usually what happens when you start using the throwing around
the cult word is the leader is doing something shady
(12:24):
and the leader is being users is in some way
or is capitalizing on the fact that he's got this
pull and this power over people and using it for
his own whether it's you know, um carnal pleasure or
personal enrichment or what have you. But that that that's
not the experience that I've had in reading about this
particular faith heard man, and I don't want to take
that away from you or anybody else that believes that.
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I think for me, Coults comes into it when there's
deification of a leader, when like we like we heard
about with Vanguard, remember how he had all of these
uh mystic story is about him that clearly we're not
true about reading when he was like one years old
or something, I mean, which is possibly true, but some
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of the other stuff was just it turned out to
be false absolutely. And it's just one of those things
if you have enough if you have enough light on something,
especially when it's being deified in that way, you might
learn the truth is a little different. And just to
just to sew this up and again, this really is
worth a ton episode, but I almost I don't know.
To me, it's I don't know. There's not a conspiracy
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here per se, but it is an interesting way to
get into that conversation about the difference between a cult
and a religion or a faith. And while you know,
this particular faith is very open to other faiths. In fact,
they believe that God is transcendent and not actually knowable,
but that he has sent I don't know spokespeople, I guess,
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or conduits, you know, in the form of various great
profits throughout history, including Krishna, Zoroaster, Jesus Christ. They accept Buddha, Mohammed.
The Bob, as mentioned earlier, who was kind of the
precursoris with Bob is Um and Behail Law. And I
think what maybe bugs some people is the idea that
behind Law sort of christened himself to be uh God's conduit,
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and that wrote people the wrong way. And I don't
know how I feel about that aspect of it in general,
but the product of that that I've seen in the
way that the people I've interacted with have used it
um has been very positive. And it's a lot of
people that aren't actually members of the faith per se
that come to these meetings because they're just nice. They're
good people, and it's good conversation. And the woman who
has these at our apartment just makes beautiful Persian food,
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and she's a retired doctor and just just all really upstanding,
great people. And I know it sound like I'm just
you know, singing this praises, but I've had nothing but
good experiences with it. So thank you so much for
writing in I hope that that your experience has been
like what my experience was. Yes, we certainly hope that.
All right now, Sean, we're jumping away from the behind faith.
(14:56):
We're coming back to somebody knew we're going to us
into a message that we got. I think it was
around two in the morning when this message came through. Um,
I'm just gonna play it. Hey, my name is Alex,
A big fan of yours. I just wanted to call
because I noticed there's one conspiracy that it seems like
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y'all seem to avoid it every chance possible, one that
you yourself perpetrate. I'm talking, of course, of the mysterious
life of Ben Bowling, from everything from lived in Peru
for a few years to impersonating members of the cloth too.
I'm paraphrasing here, but having a job where when people
were in trouble and no one else could help, they
(15:40):
would call. When are we going to get an episode
about who was Ben Bowling? Also? Sorry about the audio quality.
I got my phone wrapped in foil to keep George
Soros out. Y'all have a good well. First of all,
every episode is a chronicle of the history of what
was sen is Ben bowling. That's right. And you know
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people think of him as this mysterious guy, just this
man living his life. That's just you know, been fired
and on the yeah, been mired with both tragedy and wonders.
But you know he's just your everyday fellow, you know,
just he's been bowling. He's been bowling. He may or
(16:25):
may not be imbued with some metaphysical abilities to blip
in and out of existence and open bend shaped portals
in time space. I can neither confirm nor deny any
of this. We can't confirm or deny any trips intergalactic
or you know whatsoever, where he you know, has to
speak with other representatives from other galaxies. Uh are we
(16:46):
He doesn't do that right now? I mean I don't know,
I can't speak. I haven't seen it personally. Uh, but
it's you know, Ben's a bends a Ben's a very
multifaceted character. Yes, On the one hand, he is n
Bowland as we love and know him, our pal and friend, compatriot.
But sometimes he goes off the grid, like right now,
for example, I don't know where the hell he is
(17:08):
and what he's up to. He could be anywhere and everywhere,
all at once. You could be any time. He really
could be. And honestly, you know, think of it this way.
If you don't know where Ben is at any given
point in time, he's probably behind you, just sitting there watching, listening.
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I want you marinate on that a little bit. I
take quick sponsor break, and we're back, as Matt would say,
with no delay. I think he said that once, and
I just liked it so much. I wasn't sure if
that was where you cripping that from a hip hop
thing or something, or I think I'm just talking about
the aspect of we got to edit it this way
(17:52):
so that we came back immediately after the end. That's right, Okay,
that's fair because through the magic of podcasting, uh, time
is is not really a thing we have to worry about.
That's right. One thing we do have to worry about
is all the trash that's just piling up on this
Planet's filling filling up the oceans, it's clogging up the interstate.
(18:13):
And that's why we're gonna listen to this next call.
Hey guys, UH love listening to your show. One thing, um,
I've always wondered in is it a conspiracy is plasma
trash recycling, the plasma arch trash recycling. Basically, wenna use
plasma to burn off all your trash. I mean it's
(18:34):
they've got systems in Oregon and I think in Washington
and around the world. I wanted to science, but why
isn't this a big thing? I mean, I don't think
the cost is that great. But maybe it's the trash
guys that just don't want to start doing this kind
of stuff and then whant to keep taking your land
(18:55):
and when I don't know, So maybe you guys can
look into it a little more and I we aren't
doing this thing that would help the planet and help
us to you know, get wind of landfills. So anyway,
thanks guys, keep up the great work. Back Okay, I'm
gonna jump in here and say it's also being used
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to Japan and even more places than our caller mentioned.
Our anonymous caller there, thank you for calling. By the way, UM,
plasma waste converters are fascinating and we've we've we've known
about them for a long time here at stuff they
don't want you to know. Ben and I actually got
to talk to a professor at Georgia Tech, who was
(19:36):
one of the original people creating this technology. So let
let's talk about what it is really fascinable. Um. They
there are these devices that use a process called plasma
gasification to treat trash and it literally breaks the trash
down into its molecular parts. So you're talking about nitrogen, carbon,
(19:59):
all kinds of asses that are created through this. And
then you get this one other thing called slag, which
is it kind of looks like obsidian, basically like a
black stone. Yeah, it's used in like metal production or
like the slag pits. It's like an offshoot of I
believe industrial iron works and things like that. Yeah, it
(20:19):
can be used, and that stuff be using all kinds
of different things. One of the biggest I guess possible
future uses for this stuff would be for building materials
on homes and on streets on you know, rather than asphalt,
using this kind of substance. Um. And it could be huge.
And imagine if we lived in a world where all
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the trash that we create every day and all of
us do it no matter how awesome you are at
attempting to help the planet by reducing you are creating
trash just in your everyday life. And imagine if we
could take all of that and just turn it into
building materials. That would be awesome. Because when the other
thing is when you create the gases by eooting these
(21:00):
these this plasma at trash, you can generate power because
the gas can be sent off at high pressure to
run a turbine and there you go, You've got electricity.
How cool is that. It's amazing, But there are a
bunch of problems with it. The and when I say
a bunch, I mean one giant problem, and that's just
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how expensive it is to get it up and running.
In Seen, the Bahamas was looking into getting just one
plasma trash converter system, essentially a pilot project, running to
the tune of six and fifty million dollars, Yes, six
hundred and fifty million dollars. And I think and this
has honestly been the problem since this technology was created.
(21:44):
It costs so much money to get going, then you're
gonna only incrementally make your money back over decades. And
there are a lot of places localities, you know, local government,
state governments, whatever, national governments that aren't willing to make
that kind of investment too. Then only make it back
over a long period of time, because at the end
(22:05):
of the day, municipal waste is a business in some sense,
and it's all about cost analysis, cost benefit analysis or whatever.
And there was a statement that was made regarding this
Bahamainian project by a group called the w R d G.
Do you know that stands for man w R. It's
probably like waste something something in the group. There you go,
that's that's plenty good. Um, just saying that it's not
(22:26):
commercially commercially viable, that it makes no economic sense. And
they were quoted and saying, show us the facility that
has worked and that has you know, sustained over time,
and they could not point to one, and um it
was you know it ultimately said, oh, also, you need
fifteen hundred tons per day of combustibles in order to
(22:46):
feed the facility. Well, and that's and that's to make
the energy production work. And they only produce about five
hundred tons per day of combustible waste. That means they
would have to mind more materials in order to actually
make the system war where I was generating that amount
of energy. Yeah, but just yes, I and I see
your point. Guys, uh, in the Bahamas. It's just imagine
(23:10):
if you could take all of the plastic waste in
the ocean and gather it all up and then just
start running it through these these machines and getting slag
and energy out of it. I don't see why we
wouldn't as uh, you know, a species, decide that that's
an important thing to do, because it seems viable enough
to me. We have billions and trillions of dollars to
(23:31):
throw around. We're just using it for different means like
war and stuff. Um, But you know, it's a it's
a it's a long game proposition right where it makes
sense for the planet, which also kind of should be
looked at it as a long game proposition taking care
of the planet and all that. Also, I don't know
if you saw there's a study that doesn't seem to
be making the rounds very widely, that we have achieved
kind of critical levels of CO two in the atmosphere
(23:53):
just just happened too. Then, I have to haven't seen
it on the news really at all. It seems like
it's a bit of a buried lead. But how do
you even talk about it? Well, it's just depressing and
it literally says that within forty years the planet could
become uninhabitable because of this. Not being alarmists here, that's
just what the climate scientists are saying in the research
behind this. Also, this is something I'd like to do
an episode on. Apparently Exxon Mobile knew about this in
(24:17):
nineteen four They had a study out where they knew
that the amount of c O two in the atmosphere
over time would be this bad by now, and they
did nothing to stop him. Short game, That's what I'm saying.
That's my point, though it should be a long game.
The idea that the the argument is, Oh, it doesn't
make sense in the short term for us to make money,
(24:38):
but shouldn't the proposition really be, well, let's maybe lose
a little money in the short term for a long
term benefit. And that's what you're saying, and I completely agree.
But that's not how business works, is it, right? Yeah, exactly,
And it's really depressing. And it's been this way since
two thousand seven when I first learned about this technology
with Jonathan Strickland, who wrote an article and also works
(24:59):
about this, and then Ben and I got to go
interview the guy. Um and I haven't seen anything really
any big news story about plasma conversion technology since then.
So it's all good, or as Ben would say, everything
is terrible and we're all gonna die, you know, it's
(25:19):
maybe it's that maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle,
and uh, I believe the children are our future. Yeah,
well yeah, thank you anonymous person, whoever you are, for
writing into us. That's a cool topic and maybe we
can talk about it more in the future. It might
be worth digging into and I don't know, attacking with
some plasma Let's let's attack this with some plasma torches. Okay, Now,
(25:41):
let's move on to the next one. This message. I'm
not sure what happened with our phone lines, but we
seem to intercept a conversation that we weren't supposed to.
Thanks for calling Beasley Food Enterprise. How can I help you?
How can I direct your call up? Looking? No, sir, sir, Hello,
(26:04):
I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying. Do you
speak English? Okay? No, I'm sorry, I don't speak in Okium.
I've never heard of that. How can I drink your
calls or um? No, I'm sorry. Mr Lightbringer is not
in the office today, Can I take a message? Uh,
(26:31):
Mr Paymon, and you're from Long Pig Industries. Okay, and
this is regarding oh it's our meat supply. Okay, um, okay,
I will let him know. Did you I'm sorry? Was
(26:52):
there something else? Global Illumination Unlimited? I'm sorry there are
sister company? Should I I can redirect you? I can? Yeah,
hold on a second, please hold thank you. Well, like
I said, that conversation, I don't think was meant for
our years and my ears actually, when they say your
(27:15):
ears are burning, my ears actually started burning. They started
getting really hot. I started smelling sulfur, and uh, it
was a very strange experience. In fact, the speaker on
the phone when I picked it up and we listened
to it on speaker phone kind of black goose started
oozing out of it too. Yeah. Yeah, it was a
real problem. No, now that I think about it, I
did it on my laptop and I think it really
(27:36):
might have messed up my keyboard, like I've have been
having problems with it ever since. It's really sticky and
oh man, well, all I know is that Long Pig Industries.
And did you hear Illumination Global and Limited? Yeah? Yeah,
I hadn't thought about them in a while. I thought
they kind of bailed on us. But I guess they're
always kind of around the corner, aren't they. I guess
(27:57):
they are. Oh, that's okay, let's maybe the best thing
to do is just to move on that. Yeah, that
was too disturbing. It never happened. Okay, let's let's go
to Brandon. Brandon, what do you got for us? Hey,
Matt ben Noel and super producer Paul long story shirt.
I've worked at cell phone companies corporate locations for about
(28:19):
the past five years up until recently, and there is
a lot of stuff that they don't want you to
know in the cell phone industry. And after listening to
some of your shows for the past six years that
you guys have made, I haven't really seen too many
shows on the cell phone industry in general. So I
(28:41):
just wanted to be a personal source of information if
you guys ever did think about making a show like that.
I used to work at Verizon Corporate from two thousand
and thirteen to two thousand and sixteen, and then after
that I transferred to a place called US Cellular, which
is a regional cellphone carrier from two thousand and six
(29:03):
to two thousand and eighteen. So yeah, I definitely have
a handle on sales practices, techniques, scandal and if you
guys had any one day, any information on that, I
would be more than happy to give that to you guys. Okay,
So these these little devices we've all got here, it
(29:25):
seems like there may be more something behind them and
as a podcast. But Matt just picked up his little
device and he's holding it right next to his face. Yeah,
I really am running it gently, lovingly, and some of
that radiation out of this baby, I'm interested to know.
I guess what I'm assuming A lot of things that
this person would be talking about our um, like how
(29:47):
much a phone costs, how much, like how these companies
make their money back, um, perhaps the the manufacturing process.
I don't know exactly what the cell phone in story
doesn't want me to know, besides the fact that text
messaging should not cost anything or much at all because
(30:07):
of how little stuff is actually uh transmitted, unless, of course,
you're sending gifts and videos and all those things via
text messaging, then it's a lot of data. What do
um I send constant gifts everybody I've I've seen it.
I'm a Giffer win one for the Giffer that's me.
You know, you also do this is cool that we
(30:28):
can talk about. You also do a thing that not
a lot of my other friends do, and you will
put ideas like a single idea, and then send and
then like almost like sentence structure with sending, so that
when you're talking to me, I get all of the
thoughts broken up, which is actually a lot easier than
it's a lot easier for me to read and to understand.
(30:51):
I end up typing out a paragraph or two before
I send a text. Generally, when it's small print like that,
it's hard to like get the need of it one glance,
you know. Alright, cool? Well, I thought I was annoying
because they like those. I feel like I'm blown up
people's phones. But I do try to make them little
text nuggets, you know. I think it's a factor. I
don't know, maybe just because I haven't been as immersed
(31:13):
in a lot of the social networking, a lot of
the ways of communication with other people via this little phone. Um,
but it's more appealing. I would just have to say that,
And also good work. I'm gonna try and start incorporating
that into my life a little more. Hey, let us
know what you think. How do you text? Is it
a bunch of stuff and emojis all in one big
(31:34):
block or do you get your points across uh succinctively
in like single thoughts basically, but maybe a whole series
of them. Hey, how do you use your phone? And
what do you think they don't want you to know about,
either how you're using it or why you've even got
one in the first place. Let's find out more of
(31:54):
the stuff they don't want you to know about phones.
Thank you so much for calling in, And with that,
we're gonna take a quick break in here from a sponsor.
Al Right, we are back, and let's go ahead and
get started with a message from Patrick. Hi. I'm Patrick Keenan.
(32:18):
As you can tell, I'm an excellent musician, but I'm
also a big fan of stuff they don't want you
to know. And I was listening to the Finders episode.
In the Finder's episode, during a very brief side conversation,
I would say you alluded to the fact that, you know,
maybe a Mr Ted Cruz could be possible for the
(32:41):
second iteration of Zodiac murders. As in being the second
iteration of the Zodiac Killer. I fully support this, uh,
this this theory and and in fact I would say
that you guys have been dealing in finer, finer detail,
and so I think sometimes you missed a larger picture.
(33:01):
It's clear to me that Mr Ted Cruz has left
through time, as you say, but not not in the
same way that you think he did. What he had
was connections obviously his father being the true assassin of
John F. Kennedy. Everybody's records had to be changed, and
it just so happened that Ted Cruise became born in
(33:24):
vent when he was in fact born four years earlier,
So that would put him at five years old when
he was apprenticing under the previous Vodia Killer. And a
lot of people don't know this, but the previous Vodio
Act Killer was one of the victims that was passing
the torch onto Ted Cruz. And of course Ted Cruise
has become a lot more healed and probably a better
(33:46):
person than I'm changing him to be. You have permission
to use every second of this audio. Thank you, goodbye.
Every second, well, every second of that audio was a
pure joy. Um. Yeah, I don't know about all that.
That's really interesting. Well, okay, so I'm trying to remember
our conversation. I know we talked about that, like babies
(34:07):
sitting on each other's shoulders wearing a suit. He was
he was a baby or know what it was he was.
It would have been a baby, yeah, because the first
murders occurred before he was born, so then he was
some weird in utero things. Sure, God, I can't even
He had to recruit some of his baby buds to like,
you know, do the whole shoulder thing posing as a
as a as an adult serial killer. Um. And then
(34:28):
they have to figure out how to get the weird
bag mask on and like, you know, how to wield
up bowie knife. And I mean there's a lot going
into this equation here, Matt, you're the zodiac expert in
case people don't know, what do you think about this theory? Well,
I like, I mean, I like Pastor, who, by the way,
is but you can tell by the first second of
that tape a fantastic musician. He his idea that perhaps
(34:53):
Ted Cruz was that chopsticks. It's not chopsticks, it's it's
the other one. You learn you learned chopsticks, so then
you learn that one that's the one you can play
with your knuckles. That's just on the black keys. That's
it really really great band. But this idea that a
five year old Ted Cruz, whose whose date of birth
(35:14):
was changed because of his father's involvement with the assassination
of jfk uh as a five year old was apprenticing
under the original Zodiac Killer then became the second iteration
of the Zodiac Killer. I just I want Patrick, I
want you to write a comic or a novel of
some sort and then get back to us, because I
think you should expand on this idea and I'm on board.
(35:37):
That's all. I'll just say, thank you so much for
for listening and for sending us that awesome message. Alright,
let's listen find the next one, Okay. Now, this message
comes from a gentleman that we're going to refer to
as Herman, and it's a bit long. There are three
messages that he left that all build on each other,
(35:58):
and her Herman. Herman is he's got a fascinating job
and he's calling us to comment on our who will
control the Arctic episode? Yeah, it's sort of about sovereignty. Right, Yes,
so let's just go ahead and listen to that. His
voice will be changed to protect the innocent. That's right. Hi, guys,
(36:18):
I'm calling in regards to the Who Controls the North
Pole episode. Um, I've I've listened to it a few
days ago. I've been humming haunt about calling. But I've
been a fan of the show for a long time,
so I figured i'd give you guys a quick chime.
This is gonna have to be a two parter. I've
already tried twice to fit it into three minutes. That
just doesn't work. Um. I'm a member of the Royal
(36:39):
Canadian Mounts to Police in Canada, and uh, if you
guys didn't know, which I'm sure you do, but still uh.
The RCMP is responsible for a lot of policing duties,
including federal investigations in Canada, but also doing regular policing
duties in the northern territories where we have all of
our North poler Arctic Circle uh land, such as uh
(37:04):
staffin Island, Elsmere Island and so on. So the storm
I'm gonna tell you is not from me, but it's
from a very good friend and colleague of mine where
he used to work as as a regular patrol officer
up in Nutabout, which is one of the territories on
one of those northern islands. Well, one morning in the summer,
(37:26):
when the ice had thought um he uh, he came
to uh. He came across uh two men that had
come ashore on the shore of the island. Now, this
is unusual in many ways. First off, this is a
very very remote and small community. We're talking about maybe
a hundred of people on the entire island. Um. It's
(37:47):
it's what we call a fly in uh community, which
means that there are obviously no roads, but uh the
quickest and easiest way it is just a fly in there.
But it's about a two days boat, right if if
you want to do it uh through water. Um, So
this is very unusual. It's also very unusual because the
two guys are neither annually or uh locals. So most
(38:13):
white people that are up there work for the government
and are on our rotation. It's it's just the way
it is. And so he goes to them. They're not
in a makeshift raft, but not a very big boat.
He described it to me as being a little more
than covered up a row boats and again this just
acid the unusual because we're talking about basically open Arctic ocean.
(38:38):
So he walks up to them, thinking that they're in
distress or something, but again, you know, kind of puzzled
about what's going on. So the two guys, he goes
up to them and he says, well, do you guys
needs helping at fort their things? No, no no, no, we're good.
We're good. And obviously this is too odd. So he's like, no, no,
this is okay, something's up. So he starts drilling them,
trying to figure out what's going on. And so eventually
(39:01):
they say, well, we're we're we got lost fishing and
we're just taking a break. And so he's like, but
there's no fishing here. This is this is open ocean,
and and there is no fishing really up there on
account of the ice and whatnot. A lot of seal
and whale hunting, but no fishing. So this is extremely suspicious.
But you know, he's got no real grounds to arrest
(39:23):
them or anything like that. They're just very strange. He
also notices that they have a heavy Russian accent. So
my friend, being a very clever guy, and I say this,
you know, I think every word of it. He's a
very intelligent individual, very good investigator. He starts drilling them
and at first they really don't want to give up
(39:44):
any kind of information as like that. But eventually you
get to a point where they finally admit being Russian nationals,
and their official reason for being there was that the
decided to go on an exploration of the Arctic well
again in little more than a covered rowboat. Might I say, so,
(40:05):
you know, odd at best, but this became kind of
a like a known issue if you, if you will,
where we the r KMP in the Canadian military are
well aware that Russian nationals and Russian expeditions not all unofficial,
mind you, but Russian expeditions do on a fairly regular
(40:28):
basis come ashore in the northern Islands of Canada, and
our best guests on why they do this is because
they want to make sure that we're still asserting sovereignty
on this land. They probably we're hoping that by coming
ashore on an uninhabited island, they could challenge the fact
that it was actually Canadian, because you know what what
(40:51):
defined sovereignty on on on on land. So yeah, I
made this story very very short. Uh. There's a few
more details, but basically that's the gist of it. Uh.
And and again, this is a fairly common occurrence, at
least more frequent than what would think. So yeah, the
Russian government has always denied any implication in this. I'm
(41:13):
not thinking it happens like every week. Um, but again,
it happens more frequently than you would believe. And um, yeah,
it's it's it's a very very valid argument. Uh. And
I thought that your research was actually really on point
as far as the Arctic circle game that's going on
(41:34):
in Russia and China's claims to it. All right, well
there you have it. Story from herman. What did your
take on that? Man, I'm fascinated by this. I really
am sad that Ben is not here because I think
he would expound on this a lot, just this concept
of testing whether or not sovereignty is still being enforced
(41:57):
in a place like the Arctic. When we we literally
talked about that on the show. And and this is
a gentleman who works in law enforcement up there who
was stating that, yes, that very thing is happening between
Canada and Russia right now. It's interesting This isn't quite
the same thing as sovereignty, but it sort of is
sort of more states, right, it's been And I did
an episode on Ridiculous History the other day about this
(42:19):
weird conflict between Ohio and Michigan over a strip of
land because of the way the borders were drawn inaccurately,
because the maps at the time weren't right. Um, there
became this little strip of land where Toledo was that
was up for grabs or up for debate as to
who owned it, as to which which state it belonged to,
(42:40):
and they ended up doing something where one state just
decided to set up a militia and start like going
about it as though they owned it. And it's that
kind of pushing the buttons and testing to see, you know,
who is gonna flex and like st you're gonna stop
us exactly, anyone's gonna come along and do something about it.
And obviously it's this guy's part of the Royal Mountain
(43:00):
Police to to do something about it, right and to
exercise their sovereignty. Well, yeah, it's part of his job.
It seems like in some of the people, the other
people he was mentioning in the message, Man and what
a job too, just like going around in a boat
in the Arctic or a ship in the Arctic and uh,
testing those waters or just making sure that sovereignty is
(43:21):
being enforced. Hey, you're not supposed to be here. Yeah,
out of here your Russians. Oh really you're fishing? Huh. Okay,
well we're just I'm gonna hang out while you guys
finish up. Okay, what's what's the what's the potential like
wrongdoing there? Can you can you explain that to me?
My only potential wrong doing? My only thought, and again
(43:41):
I really wish Ben was here, is that you could
set up some kind of small facility or outpost on
an island like that or a small area that isn't
very populated if you were trying to do that for
one reason or another, or maybe even some kind of
underwater thing. I don't know exactly what it would be.
I can't really envision it, but I'm sure I'm sure
(44:04):
there are a lot of uses for it, especially when
you're talking about oil rig drilling, um and probably military
for military uses. Do you think that's what was happening here?
I don't know, but you know what, maybe we should
try and get Herman to reach back out to us.
We could do a whole episode on it. Yeah, I
mean nice, actually have a little back and forth instead
of just hearing the kind of condensed version of the story. Right, yeah, exactly. Um, okay, well,
(44:29):
thanks Herman. Get back at us with a burner phone
or wherever however else you want to contact us. We's
that something up and we'll give you I think we
did already in the magic of post gave you kind
of a voice disguise, right, Yeah, that's right, that's right. Okay,
let's get back to the next the next message. Now,
this one just I'm gonna put this out there. I
(44:50):
don't have a lot of research on this topic yet.
I remember hearing about it back in the day and
collecting a bunch of links, but I haven't I haven't
connected anything together to talk about on this episode. This
what you're about to hear is essentially a preview of
a show that I think we should do in the
near future. Ahi, guys. I was just listening back to
(45:12):
an older episode about the sonic weapons on the Cuba
and the lad device, um, something that was kind of
listening to one day, and while I was kind of cute.
Onto was the documentary about a movie that was to
be made called Gray State. Um, this movie that man
(45:33):
never was made because the producer of the filmmaker was
in a family were killed in a suicide type of
homicide situation. Um, it was very tragic. But in the
documentary regarding the film and it was the family and such,
(45:55):
they have some clips that they pulled off of a
blog site that freaked me out a little bit, just
because in these clips these people were clearly experiencing hallucinations
of sorts and reclusion and depression, all kind of at
the snap of the finker, it seems, and we're freaking
(46:17):
me out about this was because exposure to UM, a
high volume of extremely low destible sounds for a long
period of time causes these exact things. So it was
the chance that that device could be used on a
personal situation like that. Anyway, then thanks, but okay, thank
(46:38):
you for calling in anonymous person. The topic you're talking
about here, the movie called Gray State that was going
to be created by and directed by and I believe
even to a to a portion edited by a man
named David Crowley. It was it was in two thousand
and ten. I believe when when David Crowley was actually
(47:01):
working on this film, and recently in twenty seventeen, there
was a documentary about the the creation of that movie,
or the guess the failed creation of that movie, called
a Gray State came out and it looks fascinating. I
have not watched the entire documentary yet, but he's he's correct.
(47:22):
Our caller is correct in saying that David Crowley and
his entire family were We're all killed in what appears
to be, at least officially UM a series of homicides
and then a suicide, with David Crowley UM being the
person who took his own life after killing his family.
And there's a lot of controversy about this occurrence, this
(47:46):
tragedy that happened to David and his family because of
the nature of the subjects that are looked at in
the movie Gray State that he was working on, essentially
UM about how the United States was going to be
controlled by a paramilitary force or you know, an ultra
military force that of just tyranny, essentially UM, and he
(48:11):
wanted to warn people that that was coming, and and
that's what the whole movie was about. So anyway, I
think we should do an entire an entire episode on this.
By the way, Werner Hertzog was an executive producer on
A Great State That documentary. All Um, I thought that
was interesting. Yeah, I really think this is something I
need to look more into. And if Herzog has to
(48:31):
do with the film, um, he is a master documentary
and in addition to being a master narrative filmmaker and
usually has really interesting topics that he believes in. So
I mean there must be something here, especially for a
man to take such extreme action. Um. You know, not
to say that there's definitely a government cover up, but
at the same time, it could just be a story
(48:52):
of someone's mental health deteriorating. Again, I haven't seen the
whole thing, but we're gonna look into it and hopefully
you can too, and then will learn more together in
an episode in the future. So thanks for calling in. Uh,
this is the last one. We gotta get out of here. Guys.
I'm sorry that our time is running out here in
the studio. Let's do this last last one from Mario
(49:14):
and his family. Hey, it's Mario, my son and I
were just listening to the cell phones five G cancer
episode and at eight minutes and five seconds and there's
an interesting uh the thing that no you day, he said, KOEI,
so we're just when we went that, man, we played
(49:35):
it over and over and over again and just thought
it was so funny. Anyways, just had to share, all right, calculator,
that little stab at listen. I am so glad to
be such a non ending social amusement for all you
out there in podcast land. Um. Yeah, that's my secret
code word that I'm just like dropping in conversation just
(49:59):
to try to like mind control people. That's that's what
Yank is. Well, why don't we listen back to a
clip of the episode and see see what it actually so,
I have no recollection of saying this. I got to
hear this. Okay, here goes. But these have maybe looked
like those crazy backpack phones you see in uh in
some war films. Not nearly as advanced at that point,
(50:19):
but it would still being quite bulky. Probably. Yeah, yeah,
I needed huge antennas, right Okay, wait yoi YOI yeah,
it's some sort it's like a sasquatch. Uh. It just
sounds like you're starting thought and then you switched gears. Yeah,
as my landlord just pointed out to me the other day.
I talk very fast. I think very fast. That sounds
(50:41):
like I'm giving myself a compliment. But sometimes my mouth
and my brain do not align, and I need to
walk it back real quick, and sometimes I do it
in the form of a YOI. I like it. I
can hear it one more time, please, Just just the
part you see in U in some war films, not
nearly as advanced at that point, but they would still
be quite a yoi AOI. All right, that's a new
(51:04):
part of our vocabulary. Everyone a YOI and ahoy Matee's
podcast Matie's a YOI and ahoy. I'm gonna go on
a shirt. We play the other one though, there's a
nice one about me. Oh, there is a really nice
one about you know. I like this one made me
feel good and and I'm I'm nothing if not vain,
so I want to I love to end the show
on this note. Hey guys, uh, I don't know. I
(51:26):
accidentally hung up when instead of pressing three, so I
don't know if you got the last one. It's okay,
not really that a big deal. And I just actually
watched one of your YouTube videos and you know how
you when you just listen to something or you read
a book, you kind of visualize the characters of the people.
(51:46):
And I gotta say, Matt and Ben kinda kind of
look like what I what I thought to you, how
I pictured you in my head? But no, I always
pictured you as an Alec Baldwin type character. Uh one
part cast you mentioned you were divorced and you already
had a kid that was six or something at this time.
It's like a little seven year old kid or whatever,
(52:10):
and it just made me think you're older in the
vocal fry, I think added to the whole Alex Baldwin thing.
I don't know you're you're a handsome Hygrid type dude.
So I got the wrong impression I used, Uh, yeah,
I love you guys. Well, um, you see, as it
turns out, I actually am Alec Baldwin. And that's really
(52:34):
the stuff that we don't. You want you to know.
I don't understand it's Alec Baldwin talking to me, but
I'm looking at a handsome Hagrid type. He didn't say,
did you say Hagrid? Yeah, he said a handsome Hagrid.
I thought he said handsome hybrid. Oh that's not a compliment.
I don't. I don't care for that one bit, like
reptilian hybrid, like I was sort of like an Alec Baldwin. Oh,
(52:56):
I don't know, man, I was like a company. Okay,
handsome Hagrid? Is that or not handsome or haggard? I
don't know what he's saying, he said. He's saying, hagrid.
I think now you know what and now coming back
into my normal voice, and I'm upset about this. He
said handsome, He called you handsome. You know, it implies
that I'm like some sort of weird gigant or or
something like that. What are you talking about he's saying.
(53:17):
He's saying, your beard is fantastic. Okay, and you're younger.
You're a younger man than he envisioned. That's fair. Well, yeah,
they have lived a rough life, right, hence the vocal
fry and the and the child and the divorce. Yeah,
I'll do my best, though. I know that's funny, it's true,
and I understand that like kind of like disconnect between
what you hear and what's your eyes behold, especially when
(53:38):
there's a time that goes by and you've made this
mental image of the person Josh and Chuck from stuff
you should know always joke about how people get them
flipped in their minds, and that's that's very true. But yeah,
it's me, This is me, um and you are you
still has been stuff they don't want you to know.
The bend shaped vortex is starting to pull us in
(54:00):
to the abyss. I feel like he's summoning us to
where he is on whatever astral plane he's currently occupying.
So it's really better we better, we better allow ourselves
to be pulled into his his his maelstrom. For some reason,
I'm I'm getting a hangering for some chips, like some
some I don't know, classic style chips, like with the dips, Yeah,
(54:21):
with the dips. I think he's isn't he more of
like you know? He likes the sour cream and onion, Yeah,
I can. I can see that, and maybe some pizza
you feel in pizza, And he likes the pizzerias, the
pizza chips vintage I've seen. They're hard to come by.
But if anyone, well, of course he does. If anyone
knows where to find pizzeria chips, it's Ben Bowling. He's
got that bag that he can just reach into and
(54:42):
then stuff appears. It's true. Yeah, that's like I said,
Ben can Ben is a bit of a space folder.
He can he can make things happen. Um. But he
will be returning to us very soon, and we will
be returning to you very soon. In the meantime, if
you want to hit us up on the social media,
you can do so. We are conspiracy stuff show I
think right on his on Instagram. That's the one. Uh.
If you want to hit me up on Instagram, feel
(55:03):
like compelled to do so and see me and all
my handsome hagrid activities, you know, hanging out with Harry
and the boys and and Hermione and you're having adventures. Um,
you can do that. I'm at embryonic Insider. Um, Matt,
what's here is? Yeah, if you want to see, oh gosh,
like pictures and videos and like sweet memes and stuff
of me and my son playing lightsabers all day long. Uh,
(55:29):
don't follow me because you won't see those pictures because
I don't have a thing. No, Matt keeps that stuff
very close to the vest, understandably. So the Internet is
a hive of scum and villany, of course it is.
But it's also you know what, Like anything else, it's
also a hive of delight. It's all about which corners
of the Internet you traverse. Um. You can join our
(55:50):
Facebook group where we are Here's where it gets crazy. Uh,
that's a lot of cool. You know, maybe not pictures
of kids playing lightsaber, but there's definitely memes. Some of
them may be vaguely Star Wars themes. You never know. Uh.
You can also do the Twitter where I think we
are also a conspiracy stuff show if I'm not mistif
just conspiracy, so just conspiracy stuff. Obviously I am not
a tweeter. And if you want to be like all
(56:11):
the people you've heard on the show today, all of
our your fellow listeners, just to give us a call,
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of that stuff, you don't want to do any of it,
you don't like to use the phone, you don't want
to go on Facebook, you don't trust the twitters or
the Instagrams or whatever, and you just want to use
a relatively antiquated but still useful form of Internet communicaory
(56:35):
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