September 5, 2018 • 58 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
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back to the show. My name is Matt. My name
is knowing something's wrong, something something that there's an imbalance
in the force today. Oh, disturbance there is, indeed, because
Mr Boland is not in corporeal form with us. There's
a bend shaped whole, yes, where Ben should be. And
not only is there a bend shaped whole, there's a
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mission control shaped whole in the form of a casey pegram. Yeah,
but at least there's some corporeal being occupying that whole. Yes, exactly,
and quite a good one, no doubt. Um. We we
are here in the studio on this day, a great day.
Is it Friday? It is a Friday. That's a good thing. Yeah,
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I know. We get two days off and then back
to the grind. That's what we do. I love the
grind every week of our lives, fifty two times a year.
How do you feel about the grind? The grind? Yeah, Well,
it's necessary, so you look at it as a necessary
evil more than something you look forward to No, no
putting words in your mouth. It's necessary to to keep
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this thing that we call civilization trucking alone, and just
to feed the content monster. Oh yeah, the content monster,
the economic batteries that we all are. It's true. If
we run out of juice, then what's the thing running on.
That's a good question. I'll tell you the speaking of
feeding the content monster. In Ben's um sad absence, he
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is having amazing adventures. By the way, Oh, we can't
talk about well, we just would. We would prefer to
have his permission. It's his story to tell. Let's let's
leave it there. But yeah, we you know, we've got
we've got to keep this this conspiracy podcast train trucking along.
And so to do that, we thought we'd do one
of these fun uh here's where it gets crazy episodes
wherein we troll our own lurk on our own Facebook
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group and pull the best tastiest bits out to make
a show. And it's so much stinking fun going through
the speed. You listening to this are amazingly witty and
you just pull stuff out of the ether that we
would never see if it wasn't for you. Yeah, and
some of this stuff is like kind of bite size
(02:34):
nuggets that could maybe wouldn't get a whole episode on
their own. There are a couple though, Yeah, I think
do warrant a deeper dive. So we'll kind of like
tease those a little bit um, but then it'll be
kind of something you can look forward to to see
a full episode about. Yes, so shall we jump right in,
Well we will. You know what, First, we got something
to mention business. There's some business we we need to
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tell you. Guys. We're going on tour. Well, I'm not
sure if it's the first time you've heard this, if
there's been some kind of ad that maybe you've heard
or skipped over stuff doing that. Don't skip over there,
that's come on that the buttons for button that's right.
But we're going on tour from October to October. We're
gonna be in Philadelphia, Boston, Arlington, Brooklyn, and Atlanta. And
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if you want to hang out with us in the real,
the most likely simulated world, you can get your tickets
right now. That's right. You can go to stuff they
don't want you to know dot com and we have
a conspicuously located live shows tab at the top where
you can click and um get your ticket ordering on
I believe we have a pre sale deal going on
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right now when you use the promo code Scully. That's
s k U l l Y. Yeah. Yeah, like like
one of the you know, co hosts of this show,
right and if you're in the know, you know that
it's okay Scully And then one other thing really fast,
So by the way, just please get your tickets and
come hang out with us, like we really want to
just be in your presence and uh and and talk
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about some weird stuff we think we're it's gonna be
a really great time. And you know, Noel and Ben
and I like to hang out after shows, so hopefully
we can actually hang out in person, not just like
do a show. Yeah, and these are all pretty chill,
smallish intimate venues. I'm really looking forward to just kind
of like meeting everybody and hanging out and doing a
live show. We've done a few with us far and
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have really enjoyed all of them. Um, and we're going
back to the Bellhouse in Brooklyn where we did the
show at the New York Podcast Festival a couple of
years ago and really had a great time doing that.
So we're gonna have some surprises, maybe some multimedia type stuff.
I don't know. I'm just pulling this out of who
knows they're here, But nobody knows, not even I don't know.
We don't know. Let us know what we should do. Please, Yeah,
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but we're working on it. And one one other, one
other mentioned here. We have merchandise. Merchandise, it sounds weird
to say it that way. There are things that have
our logos and like stuff from this show that you
can purchase. Faces. Do we have our We have T
shirts with our faces on the Should we do that? Yeah?
We should, Yeah, we should. You know those mean mugging
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shots we did a while back at the graveyard, we
should get those, all right? Yeah, totally. So if you
want to start rocking some conspiracy stuff gear, you can
get started right now. Just go to our website stuff
they don't want you to know dot com. Click on
that store tab and it'll take you to our t
public site. You can get all kinds of stuff, stickers
and phone cases. It's really cool. It's the only place
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where you can get official illumination global and limited designs
on the Planet's the only place. It's very true Okay,
now that stuffs out of the way. It feels good
to get it off our chest. I'll let's just, you know,
get it done right at the front. Really does you
need to know about it? Uh? And we need to
tell you about It's true? So let's jump right into this.
Who who posted our first thing that we're going to
talk about today? Yeah, for an unrelated reason, this is
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hitting very close to home to me today as I
left my debit card in an ATM machine last night
because it got stuck, and then somebody I guess apparently
got it out and used it to spend a bunch
of money at Urban outfit I canceled the card, but
apparently did not cancel in time, and I felt like
a big dummy. This is not the story is about.
But here's here's this is. Let's started off with a
good quote from Tom Haskins, who is the poster of this. Yeah,
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before we get to Tom Haskins, knowing that they went
and spent five at Urban Outfitters, right, I feel like
that can help us, um identify the person in some way.
I feel like it helps us in some way Urban Outfitters, Right,
I guess. So, I mean it was it was nearby,
so it was more of an opportunity. It was a
crime of opportunity. And I mentioned this to somebody and
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they said, well, it makes you feel any better. Five
dollars only gets you about three items that urban out.
There's that. But yeah, so in the immortal words of
the Wu Tang clan, you best protect your neck and
and what he's referring to is protect your um, your
financial neck, because hacker as you see, are apparently, according
to the FBI, preparing what's called an unlimited a t
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M cash heist. What Yeah, it's it's it's it's like
so basically, yeah, BI put out a warning two banks
all across the country that cyber criminals are prepping to
execute this hack that could potentially drain individuals bank accounts.
But the kicker is like, like my bank account, your
bank account, my bank account, anyone's bank account. But here's
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the kicker that the whole unlimited bit means that they
can actually alter your balance and get rid of those
safeguards that like, like you know, give you a limit
of how much you can withdraw and potentially withdraw literally
unlimited amounts of money. So here's the deal. It's called
an unlimited operation or an A t M cash out,
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and the FBI UM got a report somewhat unspecified. It says,
UM that there is this attack an imminent being planned. UM,
it's going to be in the coming days. And this
I think was updated as recently as yesterday. So yeah,
there's a from yesterday that's right exactly. UM. And what
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this does is it involves having malware installed either on
like the A t M machines themselves or at the
route like at the banks and the terminals and stuff inside. Yeah,
and it allows the hackers to alter these fraud controls
like we were talking about, um, like you know the
upward withdrawal limits, or you know how if you use
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your card in too many places, they'll be like a
red flag and you know they'll shut it down briefly
extreme me different places, like if you've been traveling and
you use your card in two locations, sometimes it will
put a hold on it. Things like that they can
get rid of, right um. And it also allows them
to literally alter the balance so that the way they
do this is they actually clone copies of legit cards um,
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and they are able to kind of send the stolen
data to their cronies or people they're operating with, and
they can imprint it on reusable cards like you can
get like these reusable magnetic strip cards that they can
imprint this stuff onto, and then they literally use actual
a t m S multiple ones and over the course
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of time they could potentially, you know, rob people of
millions of dollars and it's happened. Yeah, and I guess
it depends on how many humans are physically involved, like
going through and hitting a t m S where they're
located on the planet. Um. That that's that's really scary. Yeah, no,
it is, especially the whole idea of it being eminent.
And we got a little more information in a second
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about where that information is coming from. But Matt, can
you give us like an example of of some of
this having happened already, like in real life? Oh yeah,
there's this place called the Cosmos Cooperative Bank in India
and UM, a little while ago, there were multiple news
sources that were stating that thieves actually did this. They
cloned the cards, they executed twelve thousand, around twelve thousand transactions,
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and they stole almost thirteen point five million US dollars
from Cosmos accounts and all they used. Check this out.
You imagine in like Okay, for something of this magnitude,
you would need a whole bunch of a t m s.
You need a whole bunch of places that you're that
you're doing this in. There were only twenty five a
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t m s used. That insane And this is stolen
from an Indian bank. Right, it was carried out in Canada,
in Hong Kong and Indiana, India. But but multiple countries
where he's taking out No, it's crazy. And just last month,
another operation like this used these same kind of methods
to snag more than two point four million dollars from
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the National Bank of Blacksburg in Virginia. And they did
this over the course of several months. Whoa. And here's
here's the worst part. If you're an employee at a
bank or something, maybe um, you are actually the one
who was kind of I'm not you're not putting anyone
in danger, but just by doing your day to day
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to day activities, it's dangerous because if you open a
certain email, if you um, you know, go to a
certain website, this mall malware can get installed and that's
how it happened, and they believe that's how it happened.
It was one of those phishing emails that like poses
as something innocuous and then you open it up or
click on a link and wait, nothing happened. Yeah, wait
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what what have you're done that? What's this executable? Yeah,
I've I've done it before. Thankfully it was you know,
it wasn't something that affected Max, I guess, but I
definitely realized after the fact that, oh, yeah, that was
definitely a notorious phishing email. That's just open um. But
you know, there are ways to guard against this, and
the FBI themselves have have kind of a list of
like things to look for. Um, they're asking banks to
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implement strong password requirements, which you'd think, you know, if
Facebook makes you do it, I would think your financial
institution would make you do it too. So yeah, good
good job with that. Please please do strong password. Strong
password requirement meaning it has to have a certain number
of characters that has a certain mix of you know,
upper case and lower case or whatever. And then when
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you put it in and the first time it did
like kind of ranks it for how strong or weak
it is. Well, yeah, yeah, and really that just goes
directly back to how long it would take an algorithm
or piece of software to crack that that password, because
it can you know, take hours, it can take days,
or it can take months and years, like depending on
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how strong your password is, and if it's if it's
strong enough, then trying to crack it probably just isn't
worth it for anyone trying to do that. So good
good call on word to the wise, a word that
I should probably take myself. Even if you have a
strong password, probably best not to use it for every
single account that you have, which unfortunately I tend to
do more often than that. Really I have like maybe
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three or four, but I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty bad
about it. At least modify it in some ways, like
specifically to the thing that you're using it in. But
here's another really important thing you can do is always
have two steps authentic authentication. And that is crazy healthful.
I've got that for almost I think every account that
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I have right now. UM, and that's just great because
it will send you an email or something of any
anything happens to your account. I know case he's got
like four step authentication, I think, um, it like it
like calls his mom and she has to verify. I
think that's what he was telling me earlier. Yeah, he's nodding, Um,
it's my intense. Yeah. I haven't gone that far yet,
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but some shady stuff has happened to Casey where you know,
he's he's had to like really protect it. Feel like
you're talent tales. No, he's got to protect his neck. Well,
we all have to protect our neck and our our
bank accounts. Um. And here are a few other ways
the FBI suggesting that, and again these are this is
mainly advice from the FBI to banks, because then he
had a day. I mean, you know, fd I C
I guess guarantees your deposits safety up to a certain amount.
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And I mean, I'm sure there's insurance in place for banks,
but it does come to a point where if you're
getting bled dry like this over time, like what's the recourse? Like,
how are however banks getting this money back? If it's
like thirteen million dollars, the govern them just like saying, oh,
you pour you poor banks. Here here's your fourteen million
dollars back. I think the trick is that it's all
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made up and not real. So it's just it doesn't matter. No,
But does the ft I see just guarantee the deposits
of like individuals, or is there like what's the safeguard
in place for protecting banks like if a bank is robbed,
for example, physically robbed. Oh yeah, there, I mean there
there is. There are protections for the money that's physically
in a bank by the Federal Reserve. So I guess
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tie to me, this is a victim was crime. Yeah, sure,
it's just a little inconvenient like my stupid ATM card um.
But yeah, this is more advice to the banks from
the FBI. And these are kind of interesting that you
know what white listing is. I mean, I'm familiar with
it in certain context, but I'm not sure about it here. Yeah.
So it's it's basically just um software applications that will
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install themselves in your computer that the computer recognizes as
a trusted uh safe um you know a piece of software.
But as Casey Pegram was just telling us off air,
there are kind of new ways where malware can even
be injected into the code of some of these white
listed applications, so that even that's not like a safety measures,
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especially when dealing with torrents and none of us, none
of us deal with those. We would never stealing movies
is a crime still stealing. Um. And then you've got
this is this is the thing that I found interesting
and makes a lot of sense, is um, these banks
should monitor and limit admin access to accounts like employees
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even right, I think a certain employees are going to
have pretty deep access to personal accounts and that maybe
is what you know when with the one example with
the employee opening the phishing email maybe being two linked
into the system or whatever and having this, you know,
a lower level employee with this kind of admin privileges
infects the whole machine. Right yeah, Yeah, here's the big
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issue with this stuff. This specific attack or threat of
an attack. It it's one thing, but it's a constant
threat that cannot ever go away. It will not ever
go away because as long as we're using technology, especially
technology that is linked up to an internet, uh, there
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will be these threats. So that's why if you're you know,
maybe in high school listening to this or about to
go into college, go ahead and you know, think about cybersecurity,
because it's probably going to be the safest bet for
a good job, for the rest of you know, eternity. Yeah,
I mean that bag of badges is already opened. My friend,
those badgers are running wild. There's digital fake money badgers.
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Money badgers are the worst. What do we have next?
Our next post comes from Emma Glavish and she says,
oh Man, one of my fiance's co workers, completely unprompted,
brought up chem trails. A few weeks back. We've had
characteristically sunny weather this summer, and this co worker walked
outside and said, Hi, it seems like we had a
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lot of sun today. They must not be spraying as
much anymore. Any of you conspiracy realists have any funny
in person instances of having a conspiracy casually sprung on you? Was?
This was this man Dick van Dyke from Mary Poppin.
He was It was Dick Vandyke himself. He was just
a coworker. They were on set and seems like we
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had a lot of sun. Did I It's pretty good.
It's pretty good. Chimney chip chim cheru, chim cheru. Oh Man,
there were some crazy chem trails in the sky yesterday.
Let me tell you what. Let's do a refresher. What
are kim trails again, I was just like being almost
before my conspiracy time, I think on this show. Really yeah,
I don't think I ever really dug deep on chim
trails with you guys. I know the idea, what's the
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idea is that it's like chemical sprays like that are
somehow infecting the population. Dude, there are so many ideas
out there. Okay, So the gist of a chem trail
conspiracy is that for some reason or another, large planes
are spraying some kind of chemical compounds or combination of
compounds out into the atmosphere for some reason or another,
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and it's usually being done by a government entity. Sometimes
it's a private entity like contracted by the government. Pathetically,
this is the conspiracy. I'm telling you this. Um Sometimes
it is to um alter the humans in a population
of a certain city or area in some way, so
either dosing them with some drug or dosing them with
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some kind of bacteria or other chemical And the purposes
are endless, Like you can see all kinds of stuff
about trying to change the fertility in males and or
females um to like lower the population to oh gosh,
I mean, honestly, there's so many Maybe we should just
do a chem trail update episode since we haven't done, well,
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maybe there's more you can just you know, the teaching
knoll about chem trails. Yeah, that I like it, but
it's been going on forever and it's also one of
the most kind of like fundamental conspiracy theory conspiracy theories right. Well,
the problem is that there are precedents for mass spraying
of areas if you go back to like the Vietnam War,
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some some weather modification attempts, UM, some attempts at spring
herbicides and other chemicals that we have actually done the
government has done in several venues in several places UM.
So it does have a precedent. Although spraying chemicals over
you know, an area via plane, especially within the continuous
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United States UM, isn't as common as a thing that's
occurred in the past. But you know, we've talked about
how like St. Louis got sprayed before with bacteria like
as an actual test thing UM or I forget what
compound it was or what a material it was, but
they were actually sprayed without their knowledge. And I think
the ultimate debunking of this is the idea that that's
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just water vapor that you're seeing. Yeah, because contrails are
a real thing. Any jet engine produces contrails depending on
you know, how much moisture is in the air, what
altitude they're at. There, there are a bunch of factors
there they will make a contrail which looks exactly like
a chem trail, or at least very very similar. So
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we've we kind of debunked it a little bit in
a way, but then talked about those previous things I
just mentioned in our previous exploration of chem trails. Um. So,
so there you have it. That that's where we are
right now. And to the to the point in the
in the email or in the Facebook post had a
lot of sun lately, they must not be spraying as
much anymore. One of the things was the idea is
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that there um environmental controls or they are like um
whether altering chemicals. Another is that they are mind altering chemicals. Um. Okay,
So there we go chem trails one on one. So
then we have some really delightful examples of folks being
having conspiracy theories kind of sprung on them. And it
is certainly not the use of this show to uh
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tell anyone what to believe or to make fun of
anyone's beliefs. But most of these I think have landed
pretty squarely in the realm of the absurd in that
they have been largely entirely debunked. They have largely been debunked.
All right, I'm gonna do one from Allison. This is
a response to this question. Yes exactly says you went
on a date five years ago with a guy I
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had a huge crush on in high school. Okay, coming
back together after years. Um, they reconnected at a high
school reunion. So here I am. I've turned into teenage me.
Beyond giddy, just super excited. He's still the nicest guy,
super handsome. I'm wondering how he stayed single into his forties.
Here it comes. Then he goes into everything from the
UK secretly controlling our government. Well, I don't know, there's
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there might be some truth to that one. Um, oh,
I wonder if you watched her videos and listen to
our show on that one. It's our fault, totally, our fault,
secretly controlling our government to occupy wall streets, stalking him
and sneaking into his house at night. I swear I
literally heard the pac Man dude, little dottle wop sound.
Oh man, sorry about that, Alice, And that's not so great. Yeah,
that's that's about I just want to know how the
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rest of that date went right. Let us know. Did
you just have to kind of sit there and uh
huh oh oh in your sleep? You say I had
a wonderful time. I'm gonna go check please all right.
Our next response comes from Michelle and she says, one
year our tax preparer went off unprompted about the duplicate
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Earth behind the sun. We got our taxes done by
a different company after that. Now, listen, just because someone
believes there's a duplicate Earth behind the sun does not
mean they can't fill out your fill out your forms.
I don't know this one a duplicate Earth. Maybe maybe
they're talking about nibrew or something like the planet Planet
(22:49):
X that might be coming back and you know, eventually
crashed into the Earth in some way or flip the
poles because of its gravitational field. I have a feeling
that's what the guys talking thinking about this person, whoever
the tax prepayer was. Um, have you seen that movie
Another Earth? I have not actually seen it. Yeah, it's
it's very divisive. A lot of people hate it, but
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I quite enjoyed it. But it is about this other
clone of Earth kind of appearing in the sky and
then freaking everybody out. I have seen this. I have
seen that girl from the o A brit Marling. Unfortunately,
not much of it stuck with me. Yeah, no, that
one didn't either. But I like her other movie, A
Sound of My Voice, which is about like this kind
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of cult that these uh, these guys, these journalists infiltrate
and um there. It's one of these things where they
really lean heavily on like is it real? It is
the magic real? Or is it just in your head?
You know? Which is? You know? That great? I like it.
People kind of give her a hard time. I really
like the OA too, but I don't know, you know,
on the the on vacation, well, I actually took a
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vacation and I watched what was it? Like? It was insane, dude.
I only had to answer emails and do base camp
stuff like half the time, basse Camp being our inter
office chat, so sort of like slack. But go ahead, sorry, yeah,
it's like it's just like slack. I didn't mean to
go into that too much, but it was I got
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to watch a movie called Enemy which went on Netflix again,
or maybe I just discovered it on Netflix again, and
it's by a cool director, Villennil it is that's exactly
and Danny Villennial. I will not spoil it. It's it's
a strange movie that handles the doppel gang Er thing
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and also um psychological issues really interesting. It's really really cool.
It has one of the most shocking endings, not in
any kind of gory or like you know, it's it's
it's more just like what we're like. Oh, and then
it's kind of like so yeah, definitely worth checking that out.
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Totally unrelated to secret hidden Planet behind the Sun, but
there was a response to Michelle's um mentioned of her
slightly unusual tax man um by Tom and he says,
you know, just the other night, I watched the movie
from nineteen sixty nine that worked on the premise of
just that a planet exactly opposite the Sun that matched
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our orbit and was thus undetected. That craziness seems to
pop up occasionally. I know, it's an established belief in
some conspiracy circles. Was just amazed to see it, uh
premised in an old Kaiju movie from the sixties. It
was Attack of the Monster, which is actually one of
the Godzilla versus Gammera. You know, the Gamera being the
giant turtle. Um. And here's the description of this movie
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from Wikipedia. Akio and Tom explore a portion of the
alien city and meet the planet's only inhabitants, two beautiful
women named Barbarella and Flora Bella, who explained that their planet,
known as Tara, orbits the Sun directly opposite the Earth,
which is why it has never been discovered by Earth's astronomers. Furthermore,
Tera is facing extinction. Not only is the planet growing cold,
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but space guios I'm not sure what that is are
taking it over and the two women are the last
of their kind. Are the guios the creatures? I think so?
I thought they were kaijus though. Um. The knife headed monster,
which the Terrans called Gyron, is their latest defense against
the space guyos. Oh guys guyos are wait? Is this
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is this correct? Let me make sure I'm on? Uh
what is this? Godzilla? WICKI and the guyos in Gammera.
They are like pterosaurs or back creatures. That's really cool. Oh.
They have arrow arrow shaped heads and leathery wings with
three claws on each talent feat each talented feat. I
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love it. This is great. The next one we guys
from Diane or Diana rather says I wait tables at
a breakfast place at seven am. First customer of the
day sits down and says, I think I'll do shrimp
and grits. Did you know the earth is really flat? Oh?
Just hit him with that boom boom like yes, I did,
Thank you very much. Enjoy your teeth. I bet you
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could get a pretty good tip um from a flat
from flat earther if you like. Well, Diane did not
go that route. She uh Diana rather, she she was
was so startled. She says all I could think was
it's too early for this ship. Man, I haven't even
had my coffee yet. That's a great reaction. Uh and
and just too I don't know, jump on that topic
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really fast. Mary posted a picture and it says flat
earthers explained the curvature clearly seen here. So flat earthers
explained the curvature clearly seen here. And it's an image
at the top of Mount Everest, and it looks as
though the Earth is curved like in shaped from from
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the image that's on this post. I just have to
say this one thing, and uh, well, I wish Casey
would be on Mike to talk about this. But the
way because it does look right as far as the
Earth goes and that that altitude, But the way camera
lens is function there is some there can be some
curving around the edges depending on what lens you're using. Sure,
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like if you have like a wide angle lens and
you don't have it cropped in enough, like it'll actually
see a little bit of distortion around the edges, right, yes,
and Casey mentioned yeah, specifically a fish eye lens or
just a wide angle lens will do that to you.
Interestingly enough in the image, however, you can kind of
see stuff at the edges of the frame that's in
the foreground that isn't distorted, that doesn't have that curved distortion. Um. So,
(28:41):
I you know, it's just thank you for posting because
it's it's had a lot of people commenting on it.
Anytime flat Earth is brought up on here's where it
gets crazy. There's always some wonderful discussion and it is
like it's a popcorn kind of thing where you just
kind of sit and watch. Yeah, and like you know,
to quote Josh for stuff, you should know we're not
trying to yuck anyone's yum. And if flat Earth says
(29:03):
you're yum, we're not here to to yuck it. And honestly,
no matter what you believe, if you do believe in that,
we're we're not telling you not to. We're just saying
maybe it's probably not true. It's probably not but but
again we're not experts that we're scientists, so we have
to keep room for everything. Right, absolutely take it for
(29:26):
what it's worth. Um. It actually is a pretty great
YouTube video where a kid attached to go pro camera
to a hot air balloon and it goes up so
high that you very clearly see the curvature of the Earth. Yeah, well,
what what lens are they using? Bro? Alright to go
pro bro? Okay, that's pretty what I think. It's time
(29:46):
for a quick word from our sponsor and then we'll
get right back in to your posts on here's where
it gets crazy. Yes, we are indeed back, And before
we jump further into these awesome posts and comments, I
want to say the kid that I was talking about,
that that sent that camera up into beyond the atmosphere
(30:06):
to show the curvature of the Earth. A lot of
comments from the flat earth community on this post on
from of CNN saying it's just the curvature is from
the lens. It's you know, it's not a fish I
I mean, a go pro isn't fish eye. It's more
of a wide angle. Yeah. So, but apparently he kind
of was part of the flat earth community a little
(30:26):
bit and his kid named Adam Cudworth, and he kind
of got disowned after this. I think he was sort
of like saying, well, I don't think I believe this
anymore because I did this experiment, and then the community
kind of like turned on him. So jeez. You know
that we mentioned a long time ago where we talked
about this about the experiments you can do to test
(30:47):
the theories, and we've been getting some voicemails, some rather
uh angry voicemail is not angry, just arguments there. There
their arguments from people saying how that's incorrect and their
are experience you could do to prove the flower theory. Um,
so you know, again, it's gonna be actally get to
the edge and just don't and just didn't look over
(31:09):
like the earth is flat, Like, where's the edge? Because
you've gotta go past the ice room. Man, you can't
get past the ice room mountains. Come on, okay, come on, Sorry, sorry,
I'm not up on it. It's all good. Let's let's
continue on with an unrelated post by Leaf. Leaf says, Hey, guys,
I'd love to hear an episode on Australian mythical creatures
(31:31):
like the Yawi or the bunyip b U n y
i p. I personally was not aware of any of these,
and in just doing a little bit of research, yes,
you realize there's this whole like pantheon of of Australian
mythical creatures that are super cool and many of them
rooted in real fossil record in trees, you know. So, um,
(31:53):
this is the one I was talking about. Well, we
have to say before we get into this that this
is a topic that I know Ben would relish. The
one at the top of the show. I was like,
this is some of these might deserve an episode in themselves.
This is definitely one of them, but just a few
of them. One we found is something called drop bears,
and this came from Owen who chimed in on this thread,
(32:15):
and this idea from this National Geographic article that he
posted is that back in the day in Australia, you
might just be walking along doing your thing when a
dark shape plummets onto you from above, pinning you down
before you realize that you're being eaten alive by an
overgrown kowala. What. Yeah, and this is meant to be
sort of for funzies, because the idea is that's not true.
(32:35):
There was no carnivorous koalas that eight human flesh. And
yet um this myth, the idea that the drop bear
because it gets the drop on you, it jumps down
on you. Um, that's horrified. Yeah, it really is. It
sticks around. Uh, it's it's kind of been considered a
bit of a hoax, but paleontologists and fossil ficionados are
(32:58):
aware of a creature called the thigh look Khalio carnifex,
which they referred to as a marsupial lion. And that's
you know, kind of like a like an eating flesh
eating koala. Yeah. And you can see a picture of
this thing at Australian Museum dot net dot a U
slash th h y l A c O l EO
(33:21):
dash Carnifax, which is c A R N I F
e X And this thing actually to type all that
into your your phone right now. Yeah, just just just
just keep use that ten second button. You got this,
You got this um, but like it's just google drop
bear and you'll get it. But this thing looks like
some wink something between like a wallaby and like a
(33:42):
tiger bear. And yeah, it looks horrifying and it would
have eaten you alive. Apparently it also has teeth. It's
called cheek teeth, large slicing cheek teeth. What does that mean?
I don't know, but I do not want to encounter
cheek teeth ever, No, thank you, No, definitely not. So
(34:02):
there we go. That's the drop bear. But we can
go into I want to hear more about the mythology
behind some of these creatures. Another suggestion in this thread
came from Michael, who sent us an article about um,
a giant fossilized snake skeleton that was found um in
the Australian Outback that is linked to something called dream Time.
(34:23):
You know about dream Time? Yes, you know. It was
mentioned in a book that my son just got. But
tell me more. Yeah, the dream time is is really
difficult to kind of like almost to translate into uh
an easily digestible concept, but it is kind of a
historical period, I guess in early Man, the aboriginal Um
people of the Australian outback, and the idea that they
(34:46):
had this whole pantheon of spiritual practices and gods and
animals and this idea that animals could talk to each
other and UM, A lot of it's still around today
and they call it the dreaming and it's actually featured
pretty heavily in uh the Sandman comics. I want to say,
there's like a there's a big story about the well
the dreaming and in the Sandman world. But also like
(35:09):
there's a there is definitely some dreamtime stories in uh
in in sad Manified. Yeah. But anyway, this this article
is about this particular giants gus snake skeleton, this serpent
that was found that kind of references in particular creature
from the dreamtime known as the Rainbow serpent, and this
(35:30):
particular type of prehistoric giant snake has a really difficult
to pronounce scientific term called mad soyds M A d
M A d T s O I I D s
Um and they've recently unearthed just a pile of these
things in the deep north of the Cape York Peninsula
in Australia. Okay, so, okay, Well there's a little taste
(35:54):
of some of this stuff. It's out there. There's real
fossil evidence of this, and I'm really interested in getting
into more of the dreamtime stuff. We just kind of
barely scratched it, but those were some really good ideas
and I think we may have an episode about that
in our future. And oh, you wanted to say a
little bit of something about the bun y up, Yeah,
just the bunyip in the alley are really interesting, the
two that were mentioned in the post. The ali is
(36:16):
I would say, close to a kin to a big
foot or a sasquatch or some some version of that.
And then the bunyip is really fascinating, like swamp creature.
I guess it's aquatic, right, yeah, like an aquatic animal
that you know there are a lot of reasons for
its existence. It's like a really good cautionary tale for
(36:39):
a kid. The like, if you talk about the existence
of this this scary creature, they could get you because
they're all of all sorts of scary things that can
get you in water, especially if you're in Australia. So,
my god, speaking of Australia, our buddies and stuff you
should know are about to do an Australian tour. And
somebody posted on their sisk Army page apparently there's a
(37:00):
thing in Australia called Magpie Season where like these magpies
just dive bomb random people like riding their bikes. Magpies, Yeah,
they're like they're like, you know, they're they're bigger than crows.
They almost look like falcons or something. And there's a
video somebody post him of this poor girl riding her
bike with a helmet on, knowing that she was going
to get attacked by this magpie because it was just
(37:21):
like danger zone magpie area, and this thing just is
relentless and just keeps dive bombing her head over and
over and over again. And I just, I just I replied,
this is terrifying, because you know how I feel about birds.
Oh my god, highly terrifying. Our next post comes from
Mark Danco and his text just says wa, and he's
(37:44):
posted another post like I guess a repost or taking
a picture of a screen grab and it's uh, someone
named Duncan McMaster saying Stanley Kubrick was hired to fake
the moon landing, but his perfectionism made them film it
on location on the moon Up. He's gonna leave that
one there. That's great. And then there's a comment on Twitter,
(38:05):
the only moon landing conspiracy theory I'll ever believe. Yeah,
that's that's pretty great. I'm pretty into it. So into that.
Thank you, Mark, Uh, we really appreciate it. I think
a lot of other people appreciated it too. And then
our next post comes from Nicholas Setler, I believe or sailer.
(38:26):
He posted a meme about the recent lawsuit against Monsanto's
product called round Up, and he said a San Francisco
court just awarded two hundred and eighty nine million dollars
to a school groundskeeper after it was determined that he
got cancer from using Monsanto's round Up every day. And
then he the meme says, so let me get this straight.
(38:46):
The conspiracy theorists were right again and tried to warn
us about this over five years ago. Um, what can
I What can I say? Nicholas? The conspiracy theorists it
seemed to have been right. But we've got some more
context here for you for this. If you haven't heard
about this lawsuit, yeah, I haven't actually heard a ton
about it until you mentioned it, matt Um and seeing
(39:07):
it on the page. But get glog. What's the what
are the what are the dats? Okay? So there's this
lawsuit that was filed in seen by a man named
Dwane Johnson. He was or his is or was I'm
not exactly sure what he's doing right now, but he
was a school system groundskeeper in California, and he alleged
that his use of Monsanto's gliophosphate based herbicides both round
(39:31):
up in this other one called Ranger Pro their gliophosphate
based um and they kill plants, lots and lots of plants,
among other things. And he's saying that his use of
these chemicals caused him to develop non Hodgkins limp foma. Uh,
some pretty serious cancer. So then in August of eighteen
last week, as we are sitting in this room recording
this episode, a California jury deliberated for three days and
(39:55):
then they found Monsanto liable for Mr. Johnson's cancer, specifically
it concluded that the company had failed to warn Dwayne
Johnson of the cancer risks associated with the use of
their products. And here's the thing that that logic and
that decision doesn't. They're not saying they failed to just
(40:17):
warn him. They're saying this company failed to warn all
users of their products about the cancer risk. And that's
like one of the most that's like the ubiquitous weed killer,
like you know, round up and around forever, you know, roundup. Ready,
crops are a massive issue. And here's the thing that's
interesting is the reason we're hearing about this case and
(40:38):
seemingly pretty speedy result here, right, is because he was
granted special dispensation because he had terminal cancer. And that's
a thing you can get judged to grant you a
quicker turnaround or you know, get to your case quicker.
I guess if if you have those kind of conditions,
but are more than eight hundred other patients that are
(40:59):
soon wing mon Santo in a class action. So how
cool is it or however you feel about it? I mean,
it's it's certainly interesting that there is a definitive you know,
this is your fault, Monsanto. You messed up we're awarding
this guy this massive amount of money. How is that
going to affect this class? I would think positively? Well, well,
here here's the thing. Okay, so their ordered to pay
(41:21):
thirty nine million in compensation to Mr Johnson as well
as two and fifty million dollars in punitive damage. Um.
The thing is that Monsanto is they already stated they're
going to appeal the verdict. I think that's pretty obvious.
They're gonna appeal until they can't um. And they also
stated that hundreds of scientific studies and reviews support the
(41:43):
fact that glop phosphate does not cause cancer, and it
did not cause Mr Johnson's cancer. However, one of the
lawyers from Mr Johnson, he stated that as uh. As
part of the trial, the jury was shown these internal memos,
these documents from mon Santo that proved mon Santo had
(42:04):
known for decades that gliophost fate and specifically round up
could cause cancer. Well, the same stuff we see with
like these pharmaceutical companies and like what was it the
Purdue or whatever? When did the opiates episode the other week?
They knew that oxy cotton was was was just as addictive,
and yet continued to push that company line of no,
it's fine, and they I think went so far as
(42:25):
to either falsify or hold back you know, study data
that they had. I mean, these companies will stop at
nothing to keep pushing their products on the public if
if they're doing well. You know, have you seen the
show Succession on HBO? I really want to though, I
really want to. Yeah, I plan on it very soon.
It's about sort of a like a Trump esque family, right. Uh,
(42:48):
it's it's closer to a corporate uh you know, bmth
kind of like it's closer to like someone who would
own a CNN or something because I think it's based
on Ruper Murder or Murdoch. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's
the guy who wrote it, I want to say, had
his hands in a bunch of interesting kind of comedy stuff,
like I think he wrote for a peep show and um,
(43:10):
another show that we talked about recently. Well, yeah, and
Adam McKay, Will Ferrell, they're they're both involved in this show.
Oh yeah, this guy Jesse Armstrong, he wrote for Peep Show,
which I love if you haven't seen that, and the
and the political movie in the Loop. Um, the Armando
in Nucci movie, which we talked about recently, and I
haven't actually haven't seen it, but I really love Death
of Stalin. Oh nice, Yeah, Death of Stalin. I haven't
(43:31):
seen that, but I will. But the reason I bring
up Succession is because they they refer to this concept
of where the bodies are buried within a company, like
where all the bad stuff is that we can't let out.
They referred to it as the death pit, I believe,
and this just feels like mon Santo's one of mon
Santo's death pits. But it's interesting to see such a
(43:53):
distinct victory, you know, for someone who clearly was you know,
I don't know, it's you know, maybe I don't want
to sound just like I'm so insanely anti corporate on
every level, but when you see stuff like this, it
actually affects people's lives, and then the companies are like,
you know, resulting to every dirty trick in the book.
It it kind of feels like a little bit of
(44:15):
come up and see you now. It's nice to see
the little the little guys, you know, win occasionally interested
to see how this class action progresses. I agree completely,
And here's the final I'm gonna read the entire final
paragraph from this New York Times article. In September, the
e p A, or Environmental Protection Agency, concluded a decades
long assessment of glio phosphate risks and found that the
(44:37):
chemical was not likely carcinogenic to humans, But the World
Health Organization's Cancer arm in classified glio phosphate as probably
carcinogenic to humans. So there you go. Okay, it doesn't
get more cut and drying that. Yeah, who has more
(45:00):
were of a financial interest in that? Huh? Anyway, all right,
let's let's let's move on. Oh wait, nol, we should
probably take a word from it. I think it's time
I need a little pause for the cause. Our next
post came from Simon Gregory, and all he did was
(45:20):
put a very inconspicuous little link to a very odd website. Yeah,
something called as Guardia. What's as Guardia, Matt, Well, it's
specifically as Guardia dot space slash e n and uh
as Guardia. Man. That sounds familiar, doesn't it. Yeah, other
than being the realm of the gods in Norse mythology, Um,
(45:43):
this as guard and he just makes it sound more futuristic,
it does, I guess it does so. UM as Guardia
purports to be the world's first ever space nation, also
referring to themselves on this site as a space kingdom. Yeah,
and it was founded and funded by a guy named
(46:03):
Igor Asher Bailey UM who is a member of the
Aerospace International Research Center. And the whole idea here is
that as Guardia wants to be an independent nation in
space and become a member of the u N. In
order to achieve this, they launched UM a back in
November of seventeen, a small bread loaf size. That's how
(46:25):
I've seen described satellite, the Asgardia one UM into space. UM.
The idea was that it would orbit at the International
Space Station, where it remained until it then deployed to
low Earth orbit. And their claim here is that this
somehow gives them sovereignty in space because they have establiss
(46:46):
like planting a flag kind of space, because I guess
no one owns space, right, Like that's sort of the idea. Yeah,
that's that's hilarious. I have seen that this thing actually
contains some data or something or yeah, no, not only that, UM.
And you can actually, if you're remember, you can upload
your own stuff to it to what end. I'm not
(47:06):
certain for tere well, one terabyte is what's on it now.
I'm surely has more storage. Okay. But there is a
field on the site, on the Ascardia site where if
you have a log in and are actually a member,
which we'll get into in a second, you this little
form where you can upload um any material, photos, anything
that you want up there in space. Um. But you know,
(47:27):
sure seems like they're an awful long way away from
having any kind of space colonies. I don't think they're
gonna get the two hundred thousand plus citizens that they have. Uh,
They're not going to fit into that bread bread loaf, right,
They're gonna They're gonna have to do some serious coordination. Um.
But that's the thing. There are two hundred thousand people
that have identified themselves as citizens, and they're across the
(47:48):
world and two hundred plus countries. Uh, and they claim
on the site to be a hundred and seventy one
in population size. And they're actually holding parliamentary style all
actions right now. And there are several high profile UK
lawmakers that are running. Oh my god, that's amazing. It's
(48:08):
pretty crazy. Yeah. And um, this is another one that
I think there's enough information and enough intrigue behind the
establishment of this. I want to know more about their goals.
I want to know more about how they actually plan
to get these people into space. But it's all just
kind of smoking mirrors and and the stories behind these
kind of high profile UK lawmakers. A guy named limbit
(48:28):
Opik who has had more scandals than you can shake
a stick at, and a guy named Nigel evans Um
are both very intensely involved. So I kind of want
to just tease it at that and and you look
into it yourselves, folks, and prep for maybe an episode
coming up on as Gardia. Yes please. I think one
way you can do it is just like send sequenced
(48:50):
DNA up there, like just data from people's DNA. That way,
when it when it gets discovered somehow in the future
by our AI overlords, the can just recreate the biologic
biological life. I don't like it, Okay, cool, Yeah that's right,
you're you at a space camp. Yeah, but even preparing
for this for your your whole life, dude, But cards
(49:12):
coming back, I'm ready, let's do this. Pcardi's coming back. Piccardi. Yeah,
the only vodka. Uh, Space faring captain. Okay, so let's
go to Adam Williams. He he posted about a gentleman
named Richard B. Russell, and I'll just read what he
(49:33):
says here. Twenty nine year old grounds service employee at
Alaska Airlines stole a Dash eight from C Tach just
to do a flip and see some whales before the
plane ran out of fuel. Unfortunately it came to a
fiery end, but out of harm's way to anyone else.
Very good audio and video of the incident on YouTube
search for stolen plane Seattle, and Richard wrote a little
(49:56):
bit more. You can see it on on the page
if you want to go check out. But let's go
ahead and play a quick excerpt from the audio that
he's speaking about here, just flying the plane around. Do
you seem comfortable with that? Oh? Hell yeah, it's the
blast man. I played video games before, so I uh,
you know, I know what I'm doing a little bit okay,
(50:18):
and uh And you can see all the terrain around you.
You've got no issue with visibility or anything. No, everything's
peach PC clean. Just did a little circle around right
near It's beautiful. Um, I think I got some gas
to go check out the Olympics and uh yeah, okay,
(50:38):
and rich do you know are you able to tell
what altitude you're at the jets? No, I'm not taking
it to any jets. I'm actually keeping you away from
aircraft that they're trying to land. A seat tech. Oh okay, yeah,
I don't want to screw that. I'm glad, glad you're not,
uh you know, screwing up everyone else's day. So, yes,
(50:59):
this is a real thing. This just happened on August
eleven of uh. This gentleman Richard Russell. He was also
known as Bibo, also known as sky King, and that's
probably how you might know of him right now. Is
that his gamer handle, because apparently he has only experienced
flying was playing video games. Yes, if that at least
(51:20):
he says that in the in the video or in
the air traffic control communication. He was a twenty nine
year old ground service employee with a place called the
Horizon Air and he was working out of the Seattle
Tacoma International Airport. And yes, he did steal a twin
engine turboprop plane from this maintenance area and he instantly
(51:41):
I was watching some live leak videos when this was
happening in real time. People were uploading, and he became
an Internet meme and a legend when the recordings of
his communications with air traffic came out because he was
just calm as anything. He said, it was the first
time you've ever flown a pretty large plane, and he
(52:01):
was doing maneuvers like flips and barrel rolls, and he
somehow had taught himself how to do this stuff just
with like Microsoft Flight simulating and other things. Um, he
was not trained to be a pilot. Pretty stinking insane. Um.
And you know what were his motives? Like why did
(52:21):
he want He just wanted to have some yucks. Motives
are unclear right now, but it does seem as though
maybe he was dealing with something depression or some issues.
This guy did crash the plane and and die, but
whether he did that intentionally is still a bit of
an unknown. It's kind of a conjecture. I would I
(52:42):
would say that it is not a hundred percent clear
that he was suicidal, but the things he said certainly
would lead you to believe that he was. Yeah, he
he did say in this conversation with air traffic control
that he knew how to put the landing gear down,
but that he wasn't really planning on doing it, on
landing it, and then he referred to himself as a
broken guy with with some screws loose. I think, yeah,
(53:05):
but yeah, pretty pretty bold way to go. Yeah, And
there's no real stuff they don't want you to know
here outside the fact that this maintenance worker was able
to successfully steal hijacks steal a plane and not to
mention like how in the same way as with the
credit card scam right earlier, Um, how is this going
to affect the kind of access that employees get? You know,
(53:26):
as security gets tighter and tighter, Um, every interaction we
have in society is starting to get more and more monitored,
and we're just looking for new potential threats always, and
like now it's like we're looking at him from the inside.
So I wonder if it's gonna require different clearances or
what what what it's going to mean for for people,
(53:46):
you know, at airports. I don't know, there's a lot
of potential for change there. And I would just say
I don't know enough about how you get a plane
to start, like a giant turboprop engine plane to start.
Are their keys involved, Is their code involved their software?
I don't know, but I'm gonna look it up and
learn more, so I guess yeah. Here here's to you,
(54:09):
skuy King. Our final post for this episode comes from
Alex Laski and he posted a Guardian story and it's
the title is man find for pretending to be a
ghost in Portsmouth Cemetery? Yeah? And the reason this is great,
uh is because the it's like the commentary is his interviewer,
(54:31):
where do you see yourself in five years? Me? And
in this post man find for pretending to be a
ghost of cemetery? And I couldn't help but let this
oh oh yeah? And then the below the below the
headline police spokesman say witnesses complained about Anthony Stallard throwing
his arms in the air and saying and it couldn't
(54:54):
I couldn't help but be reminded of our Ghosts of
Versailles episode where there was like some question as to
whether these two emmen who claimed to have seen the
ghosts of Marie Antoinette and several other members of her
court in the gardens around Versailles weren't just seeing like
reenactors or like some kind of people in costume or
you know, folks pretending to be ghosts. Yeah, what was it?
(55:16):
We don't know. Uh. This dude, by the way, Anthony
Stallard had to pay thirty five pounds and he was
also he was fighting to pounds in order to pay
twenty pounds uh to a victim. Oh, it's called a
victims surcharge, as well as twenty pounds in cost So
after a will find there for pretending to be a ghost.
(55:37):
And boy, what a what a wild ride this one's been, Matt,
Yes it has. We have been here, there, and and
and yawn. This is certainly where it got crazy today.
And while I miss uh, you know, this bend shaped
void here and the bend shaped hole in my heart.
You know, it's it's a bit of a bummer. I'm
(55:57):
glad we were able to push forward and get one
of these out and to look forward to doing the
next one with Sir Ben back in full corporeal glory.
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(56:19):
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is knowing something's wrong, something something that there's an imbalance
in the force today. Oh, disturbance there is, indeed, because
Mr Boland is not in corporeal form with us. There's
a bend shaped whole, yes, where Ben should be. And
not only is there a bend shaped whole, there's a
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mission control shaped whole in the form of a casey pegram. Yeah,
but at least there's some corporeal being occupying that whole. Yes, exactly,
and quite a good one, no doubt. Um. We we
are here in the studio on this day, a great day.
Is it Friday? It is a Friday. That's a good thing. Yeah,
(01:07):
I know. We get two days off and then back
to the grind. That's what we do. I love the
grind every week of our lives, fifty two times a year.
How do you feel about the grind? The grind? Yeah, Well,
it's necessary, so you look at it as a necessary
evil more than something you look forward to No, no
putting words in your mouth. It's necessary to to keep
(01:28):
this thing that we call civilization trucking alone, and just
to feed the content monster. Oh yeah, the content monster,
the economic batteries that we all are. It's true. If
we run out of juice, then what's the thing running on.
That's a good question. I'll tell you the speaking of
feeding the content monster. In Ben's um sad absence, he
(01:50):
is having amazing adventures. By the way, Oh, we can't
talk about well, we just would. We would prefer to
have his permission. It's his story to tell. Let's let's
leave it there. But yeah, we you know, we've got
we've got to keep this this conspiracy podcast train trucking along.
And so to do that, we thought we'd do one
of these fun uh here's where it gets crazy episodes
wherein we troll our own lurk on our own Facebook
(02:13):
group and pull the best tastiest bits out to make
a show. And it's so much stinking fun going through
the speed. You listening to this are amazingly witty and
you just pull stuff out of the ether that we
would never see if it wasn't for you. Yeah, and
some of this stuff is like kind of bite size
(02:34):
nuggets that could maybe wouldn't get a whole episode on
their own. There are a couple though, Yeah, I think
do warrant a deeper dive. So we'll kind of like
tease those a little bit um, but then it'll be
kind of something you can look forward to to see
a full episode about. Yes, so shall we jump right in,
Well we will. You know what, First, we got something
to mention business. There's some business we we need to
(02:55):
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So by the way, just please get your tickets and
come hang out with us, like we really want to
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about some weird stuff we think we're it's gonna be
a really great time. And you know, Noel and Ben
and I like to hang out after shows, so hopefully
we can actually hang out in person, not just like
do a show. Yeah, and these are all pretty chill,
smallish intimate venues. I'm really looking forward to just kind
of like meeting everybody and hanging out and doing a
live show. We've done a few with us far and
(04:23):
have really enjoyed all of them. Um, and we're going
back to the Bellhouse in Brooklyn where we did the
show at the New York Podcast Festival a couple of
years ago and really had a great time doing that.
So we're gonna have some surprises, maybe some multimedia type stuff.
I don't know. I'm just pulling this out of who
knows they're here, But nobody knows, not even I don't know.
We don't know. Let us know what we should do. Please, Yeah,
(04:44):
but we're working on it. And one one other, one
other mentioned here. We have merchandise. Merchandise, it sounds weird
to say it that way. There are things that have
our logos and like stuff from this show that you
can purchase. Faces. Do we have our We have T
shirts with our faces on the Should we do that? Yeah?
We should, Yeah, we should. You know those mean mugging
(05:05):
shots we did a while back at the graveyard, we
should get those, all right? Yeah, totally. So if you
want to start rocking some conspiracy stuff gear, you can
get started right now. Just go to our website stuff
they don't want you to know dot com. Click on
that store tab and it'll take you to our t
public site. You can get all kinds of stuff, stickers
and phone cases. It's really cool. It's the only place
(05:26):
where you can get official illumination global and limited designs
on the Planet's the only place. It's very true Okay,
now that stuffs out of the way. It feels good
to get it off our chest. I'll let's just, you know,
get it done right at the front. Really does you
need to know about it? Uh? And we need to
tell you about It's true? So let's jump right into this.
Who who posted our first thing that we're going to
talk about today? Yeah, for an unrelated reason, this is
(05:48):
hitting very close to home to me today as I
left my debit card in an ATM machine last night
because it got stuck, and then somebody I guess apparently
got it out and used it to spend a bunch
of money at Urban outfit I canceled the card, but
apparently did not cancel in time, and I felt like
a big dummy. This is not the story is about.
But here's here's this is. Let's started off with a
good quote from Tom Haskins, who is the poster of this. Yeah,
(06:12):
before we get to Tom Haskins, knowing that they went
and spent five at Urban Outfitters, right, I feel like
that can help us, um identify the person in some way.
I feel like it helps us in some way Urban Outfitters, Right,
I guess. So, I mean it was it was nearby,
so it was more of an opportunity. It was a
crime of opportunity. And I mentioned this to somebody and
(06:33):
they said, well, it makes you feel any better. Five
dollars only gets you about three items that urban out.
There's that. But yeah, so in the immortal words of
the Wu Tang clan, you best protect your neck and
and what he's referring to is protect your um, your
financial neck, because hacker as you see, are apparently, according
to the FBI, preparing what's called an unlimited a t
(06:54):
M cash heist. What Yeah, it's it's it's it's like
so basically, yeah, BI put out a warning two banks
all across the country that cyber criminals are prepping to
execute this hack that could potentially drain individuals bank accounts.
But the kicker is like, like my bank account, your
bank account, my bank account, anyone's bank account. But here's
(07:15):
the kicker that the whole unlimited bit means that they
can actually alter your balance and get rid of those
safeguards that like, like you know, give you a limit
of how much you can withdraw and potentially withdraw literally
unlimited amounts of money. So here's the deal. It's called
an unlimited operation or an A t M cash out,
(07:39):
and the FBI UM got a report somewhat unspecified. It says,
UM that there is this attack an imminent being planned. UM,
it's going to be in the coming days. And this
I think was updated as recently as yesterday. So yeah,
there's a from yesterday that's right exactly. UM. And what
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this does is it involves having malware installed either on
like the A t M machines themselves or at the
route like at the banks and the terminals and stuff inside. Yeah,
and it allows the hackers to alter these fraud controls
like we were talking about, um, like you know the
upward withdrawal limits, or you know how if you use
(08:22):
your card in too many places, they'll be like a
red flag and you know they'll shut it down briefly
extreme me different places, like if you've been traveling and
you use your card in two locations, sometimes it will
put a hold on it. Things like that they can
get rid of, right um. And it also allows them
to literally alter the balance so that the way they
do this is they actually clone copies of legit cards um,
(08:46):
and they are able to kind of send the stolen
data to their cronies or people they're operating with, and
they can imprint it on reusable cards like you can
get like these reusable magnetic strip cards that they can
imprint this stuff onto, and then they literally use actual
a t m S multiple ones and over the course
(09:06):
of time they could potentially, you know, rob people of
millions of dollars and it's happened. Yeah, and I guess
it depends on how many humans are physically involved, like
going through and hitting a t m S where they're
located on the planet. Um. That that's that's really scary. Yeah, no,
it is, especially the whole idea of it being eminent.
And we got a little more information in a second
(09:27):
about where that information is coming from. But Matt, can
you give us like an example of of some of
this having happened already, like in real life? Oh yeah,
there's this place called the Cosmos Cooperative Bank in India
and UM, a little while ago, there were multiple news
sources that were stating that thieves actually did this. They
cloned the cards, they executed twelve thousand, around twelve thousand transactions,
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and they stole almost thirteen point five million US dollars
from Cosmos accounts and all they used. Check this out.
You imagine in like Okay, for something of this magnitude,
you would need a whole bunch of a t m s.
You need a whole bunch of places that you're that
you're doing this in. There were only twenty five a
(10:10):
t m s used. That insane And this is stolen
from an Indian bank. Right, it was carried out in Canada,
in Hong Kong and Indiana, India. But but multiple countries
where he's taking out No, it's crazy. And just last month,
another operation like this used these same kind of methods
to snag more than two point four million dollars from
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the National Bank of Blacksburg in Virginia. And they did
this over the course of several months. Whoa. And here's
here's the worst part. If you're an employee at a
bank or something, maybe um, you are actually the one
who was kind of I'm not you're not putting anyone
in danger, but just by doing your day to day
(10:55):
to day activities, it's dangerous because if you open a
certain email, if you um, you know, go to a
certain website, this mall malware can get installed and that's
how it happened, and they believe that's how it happened.
It was one of those phishing emails that like poses
as something innocuous and then you open it up or
click on a link and wait, nothing happened. Yeah, wait
(11:15):
what what have you're done that? What's this executable? Yeah,
I've I've done it before. Thankfully it was you know,
it wasn't something that affected Max, I guess, but I
definitely realized after the fact that, oh, yeah, that was
definitely a notorious phishing email. That's just open um. But
you know, there are ways to guard against this, and
the FBI themselves have have kind of a list of
like things to look for. Um, they're asking banks to
(11:38):
implement strong password requirements, which you'd think, you know, if
Facebook makes you do it, I would think your financial
institution would make you do it too. So yeah, good
good job with that. Please please do strong password. Strong
password requirement meaning it has to have a certain number
of characters that has a certain mix of you know,
upper case and lower case or whatever. And then when
(11:59):
you put it in and the first time it did
like kind of ranks it for how strong or weak
it is. Well, yeah, yeah, and really that just goes
directly back to how long it would take an algorithm
or piece of software to crack that that password, because
it can you know, take hours, it can take days,
or it can take months and years, like depending on
(12:20):
how strong your password is, and if it's if it's
strong enough, then trying to crack it probably just isn't
worth it for anyone trying to do that. So good
good call on word to the wise, a word that
I should probably take myself. Even if you have a
strong password, probably best not to use it for every
single account that you have, which unfortunately I tend to
do more often than that. Really I have like maybe
(12:41):
three or four, but I'm I'm pretty I'm pretty bad
about it. At least modify it in some ways, like
specifically to the thing that you're using it in. But
here's another really important thing you can do is always
have two steps authentic authentication. And that is crazy healthful.
I've got that for almost I think every account that
(13:02):
I have right now. UM, and that's just great because
it will send you an email or something of any
anything happens to your account. I know case he's got
like four step authentication, I think, um, it like it
like calls his mom and she has to verify. I
think that's what he was telling me earlier. Yeah, he's nodding, Um,
it's my intense. Yeah. I haven't gone that far yet,
(13:22):
but some shady stuff has happened to Casey where you know,
he's he's had to like really protect it. Feel like
you're talent tales. No, he's got to protect his neck. Well,
we all have to protect our neck and our our
bank accounts. Um. And here are a few other ways
the FBI suggesting that, and again these are this is
mainly advice from the FBI to banks, because then he
had a day. I mean, you know, fd I C
I guess guarantees your deposits safety up to a certain amount.
(13:46):
And I mean, I'm sure there's insurance in place for banks,
but it does come to a point where if you're
getting bled dry like this over time, like what's the recourse? Like,
how are however banks getting this money back? If it's
like thirteen million dollars, the govern them just like saying, oh,
you pour you poor banks. Here here's your fourteen million
dollars back. I think the trick is that it's all
(14:07):
made up and not real. So it's just it doesn't matter. No,
But does the ft I see just guarantee the deposits
of like individuals, or is there like what's the safeguard
in place for protecting banks like if a bank is robbed,
for example, physically robbed. Oh yeah, there, I mean there
there is. There are protections for the money that's physically
in a bank by the Federal Reserve. So I guess
(14:28):
tie to me, this is a victim was crime. Yeah, sure,
it's just a little inconvenient like my stupid ATM card um.
But yeah, this is more advice to the banks from
the FBI. And these are kind of interesting that you
know what white listing is. I mean, I'm familiar with
it in certain context, but I'm not sure about it here. Yeah.
So it's it's basically just um software applications that will
(14:50):
install themselves in your computer that the computer recognizes as
a trusted uh safe um you know a piece of software.
But as Casey Pegram was just telling us off air,
there are kind of new ways where malware can even
be injected into the code of some of these white
listed applications, so that even that's not like a safety measures,
(15:11):
especially when dealing with torrents and none of us, none
of us deal with those. We would never stealing movies
is a crime still stealing. Um. And then you've got
this is this is the thing that I found interesting
and makes a lot of sense, is um, these banks
should monitor and limit admin access to accounts like employees
(15:34):
even right, I think a certain employees are going to
have pretty deep access to personal accounts and that maybe
is what you know when with the one example with
the employee opening the phishing email maybe being two linked
into the system or whatever and having this, you know,
a lower level employee with this kind of admin privileges
infects the whole machine. Right yeah, Yeah, here's the big
(15:58):
issue with this stuff. This specific attack or threat of
an attack. It it's one thing, but it's a constant
threat that cannot ever go away. It will not ever
go away because as long as we're using technology, especially
technology that is linked up to an internet, uh, there
(16:20):
will be these threats. So that's why if you're you know,
maybe in high school listening to this or about to
go into college, go ahead and you know, think about cybersecurity,
because it's probably going to be the safest bet for
a good job, for the rest of you know, eternity. Yeah,
I mean that bag of badges is already opened. My friend,
those badgers are running wild. There's digital fake money badgers.
(16:45):
Money badgers are the worst. What do we have next?
Our next post comes from Emma Glavish and she says,
oh Man, one of my fiance's co workers, completely unprompted,
brought up chem trails. A few weeks back. We've had
characteristically sunny weather this summer, and this co worker walked
outside and said, Hi, it seems like we had a
(17:06):
lot of sun today. They must not be spraying as
much anymore. Any of you conspiracy realists have any funny
in person instances of having a conspiracy casually sprung on you? Was?
This was this man Dick van Dyke from Mary Poppin.
He was It was Dick Vandyke himself. He was just
a coworker. They were on set and seems like we
(17:28):
had a lot of sun. Did I It's pretty good.
It's pretty good. Chimney chip chim cheru, chim cheru. Oh Man,
there were some crazy chem trails in the sky yesterday.
Let me tell you what. Let's do a refresher. What
are kim trails again, I was just like being almost
before my conspiracy time, I think on this show. Really yeah,
I don't think I ever really dug deep on chim
trails with you guys. I know the idea, what's the
(17:49):
idea is that it's like chemical sprays like that are
somehow infecting the population. Dude, there are so many ideas
out there. Okay, So the gist of a chem trail
conspiracy is that for some reason or another, large planes
are spraying some kind of chemical compounds or combination of
compounds out into the atmosphere for some reason or another,
(18:13):
and it's usually being done by a government entity. Sometimes
it's a private entity like contracted by the government. Pathetically,
this is the conspiracy. I'm telling you this. Um Sometimes
it is to um alter the humans in a population
of a certain city or area in some way, so
either dosing them with some drug or dosing them with
(18:34):
some kind of bacteria or other chemical And the purposes
are endless, Like you can see all kinds of stuff
about trying to change the fertility in males and or
females um to like lower the population to oh gosh,
I mean, honestly, there's so many Maybe we should just
do a chem trail update episode since we haven't done, well,
(18:55):
maybe there's more you can just you know, the teaching
knoll about chem trails. Yeah, that I like it, but
it's been going on forever and it's also one of
the most kind of like fundamental conspiracy theory conspiracy theories right. Well,
the problem is that there are precedents for mass spraying
of areas if you go back to like the Vietnam War,
(19:17):
some some weather modification attempts, UM, some attempts at spring
herbicides and other chemicals that we have actually done the
government has done in several venues in several places UM.
So it does have a precedent. Although spraying chemicals over
you know, an area via plane, especially within the continuous
(19:38):
United States UM, isn't as common as a thing that's
occurred in the past. But you know, we've talked about
how like St. Louis got sprayed before with bacteria like
as an actual test thing UM or I forget what
compound it was or what a material it was, but
they were actually sprayed without their knowledge. And I think
the ultimate debunking of this is the idea that that's
(19:59):
just water vapor that you're seeing. Yeah, because contrails are
a real thing. Any jet engine produces contrails depending on
you know, how much moisture is in the air, what
altitude they're at. There, there are a bunch of factors
there they will make a contrail which looks exactly like
a chem trail, or at least very very similar. So
(20:20):
we've we kind of debunked it a little bit in
a way, but then talked about those previous things I
just mentioned in our previous exploration of chem trails. Um. So,
so there you have it. That that's where we are
right now. And to the to the point in the
in the email or in the Facebook post had a
lot of sun lately, they must not be spraying as
much anymore. One of the things was the idea is
(20:40):
that there um environmental controls or they are like um
whether altering chemicals. Another is that they are mind altering chemicals. Um. Okay,
So there we go chem trails one on one. So
then we have some really delightful examples of folks being
having conspiracy theories kind of sprung on them. And it
is certainly not the use of this show to uh
(21:02):
tell anyone what to believe or to make fun of
anyone's beliefs. But most of these I think have landed
pretty squarely in the realm of the absurd in that
they have been largely entirely debunked. They have largely been debunked.
All right, I'm gonna do one from Allison. This is
a response to this question. Yes exactly says you went
on a date five years ago with a guy I
(21:23):
had a huge crush on in high school. Okay, coming
back together after years. Um, they reconnected at a high
school reunion. So here I am. I've turned into teenage me.
Beyond giddy, just super excited. He's still the nicest guy,
super handsome. I'm wondering how he stayed single into his forties.
Here it comes. Then he goes into everything from the
UK secretly controlling our government. Well, I don't know, there's
(21:45):
there might be some truth to that one. Um, oh,
I wonder if you watched her videos and listen to
our show on that one. It's our fault, totally, our fault,
secretly controlling our government to occupy wall streets, stalking him
and sneaking into his house at night. I swear I
literally heard the pac Man dude, little dottle wop sound.
Oh man, sorry about that, Alice, And that's not so great. Yeah,
that's that's about I just want to know how the
(22:06):
rest of that date went right. Let us know. Did
you just have to kind of sit there and uh
huh oh oh in your sleep? You say I had
a wonderful time. I'm gonna go check please all right.
Our next response comes from Michelle and she says, one
year our tax preparer went off unprompted about the duplicate
(22:29):
Earth behind the sun. We got our taxes done by
a different company after that. Now, listen, just because someone
believes there's a duplicate Earth behind the sun does not
mean they can't fill out your fill out your forms.
I don't know this one a duplicate Earth. Maybe maybe
they're talking about nibrew or something like the planet Planet
(22:49):
X that might be coming back and you know, eventually
crashed into the Earth in some way or flip the
poles because of its gravitational field. I have a feeling
that's what the guys talking thinking about this person, whoever
the tax prepayer was. Um, have you seen that movie
Another Earth? I have not actually seen it. Yeah, it's
it's very divisive. A lot of people hate it, but
(23:11):
I quite enjoyed it. But it is about this other
clone of Earth kind of appearing in the sky and
then freaking everybody out. I have seen this. I have
seen that girl from the o A brit Marling. Unfortunately,
not much of it stuck with me. Yeah, no, that
one didn't either. But I like her other movie, A
Sound of My Voice, which is about like this kind
(23:32):
of cult that these uh, these guys, these journalists infiltrate
and um there. It's one of these things where they
really lean heavily on like is it real? It is
the magic real? Or is it just in your head?
You know? Which is? You know? That great? I like it.
People kind of give her a hard time. I really
like the OA too, but I don't know, you know,
on the the on vacation, well, I actually took a
(23:53):
vacation and I watched what was it? Like? It was insane, dude.
I only had to answer emails and do base camp
stuff like half the time, basse Camp being our inter
office chat, so sort of like slack. But go ahead, sorry, yeah,
it's like it's just like slack. I didn't mean to
go into that too much, but it was I got
(24:15):
to watch a movie called Enemy which went on Netflix again,
or maybe I just discovered it on Netflix again, and
it's by a cool director, Villennil it is that's exactly
and Danny Villennial. I will not spoil it. It's it's
a strange movie that handles the doppel gang Er thing
(24:37):
and also um psychological issues really interesting. It's really really cool.
It has one of the most shocking endings, not in
any kind of gory or like you know, it's it's
it's more just like what we're like. Oh, and then
it's kind of like so yeah, definitely worth checking that out.
(24:57):
Totally unrelated to secret hidden Planet behind the Sun, but
there was a response to Michelle's um mentioned of her
slightly unusual tax man um by Tom and he says,
you know, just the other night, I watched the movie
from nineteen sixty nine that worked on the premise of
just that a planet exactly opposite the Sun that matched
(25:17):
our orbit and was thus undetected. That craziness seems to
pop up occasionally. I know, it's an established belief in
some conspiracy circles. Was just amazed to see it, uh
premised in an old Kaiju movie from the sixties. It
was Attack of the Monster, which is actually one of
the Godzilla versus Gammera. You know, the Gamera being the
giant turtle. Um. And here's the description of this movie
(25:39):
from Wikipedia. Akio and Tom explore a portion of the
alien city and meet the planet's only inhabitants, two beautiful
women named Barbarella and Flora Bella, who explained that their planet,
known as Tara, orbits the Sun directly opposite the Earth,
which is why it has never been discovered by Earth's astronomers. Furthermore,
Tera is facing extinction. Not only is the planet growing cold,
(25:59):
but space guios I'm not sure what that is are
taking it over and the two women are the last
of their kind. Are the guios the creatures? I think so?
I thought they were kaijus though. Um. The knife headed monster,
which the Terrans called Gyron, is their latest defense against
the space guyos. Oh guys guyos are wait? Is this
(26:21):
is this correct? Let me make sure I'm on? Uh
what is this? Godzilla? WICKI and the guyos in Gammera.
They are like pterosaurs or back creatures. That's really cool. Oh.
They have arrow arrow shaped heads and leathery wings with
three claws on each talent feat each talented feat. I
(26:46):
love it. This is great. The next one we guys
from Diane or Diana rather says I wait tables at
a breakfast place at seven am. First customer of the
day sits down and says, I think I'll do shrimp
and grits. Did you know the earth is really flat? Oh?
Just hit him with that boom boom like yes, I did,
Thank you very much. Enjoy your teeth. I bet you
(27:07):
could get a pretty good tip um from a flat
from flat earther if you like. Well, Diane did not
go that route. She uh Diana rather, she she was
was so startled. She says all I could think was
it's too early for this ship. Man, I haven't even
had my coffee yet. That's a great reaction. Uh and
and just too I don't know, jump on that topic
(27:30):
really fast. Mary posted a picture and it says flat
earthers explained the curvature clearly seen here. So flat earthers
explained the curvature clearly seen here. And it's an image
at the top of Mount Everest, and it looks as
though the Earth is curved like in shaped from from
(27:52):
the image that's on this post. I just have to
say this one thing, and uh, well, I wish Casey
would be on Mike to talk about this. But the
way because it does look right as far as the
Earth goes and that that altitude, But the way camera
lens is function there is some there can be some
curving around the edges depending on what lens you're using. Sure,
(28:15):
like if you have like a wide angle lens and
you don't have it cropped in enough, like it'll actually
see a little bit of distortion around the edges, right, yes,
and Casey mentioned yeah, specifically a fish eye lens or
just a wide angle lens will do that to you.
Interestingly enough in the image, however, you can kind of
see stuff at the edges of the frame that's in
the foreground that isn't distorted, that doesn't have that curved distortion. Um. So,
(28:41):
I you know, it's just thank you for posting because
it's it's had a lot of people commenting on it.
Anytime flat Earth is brought up on here's where it
gets crazy. There's always some wonderful discussion and it is
like it's a popcorn kind of thing where you just
kind of sit and watch. Yeah, and like you know,
to quote Josh for stuff, you should know we're not
trying to yuck anyone's yum. And if flat Earth says
(29:03):
you're yum, we're not here to to yuck it. And honestly,
no matter what you believe, if you do believe in that,
we're we're not telling you not to. We're just saying
maybe it's probably not true. It's probably not but but
again we're not experts that we're scientists, so we have
to keep room for everything. Right, absolutely take it for
(29:26):
what it's worth. Um. It actually is a pretty great
YouTube video where a kid attached to go pro camera
to a hot air balloon and it goes up so
high that you very clearly see the curvature of the Earth. Yeah, well,
what what lens are they using? Bro? Alright to go
pro bro? Okay, that's pretty what I think. It's time
(29:46):
for a quick word from our sponsor and then we'll
get right back in to your posts on here's where
it gets crazy. Yes, we are indeed back, And before
we jump further into these awesome posts and comments, I
want to say the kid that I was talking about,
that that sent that camera up into beyond the atmosphere
(30:06):
to show the curvature of the Earth. A lot of
comments from the flat earth community on this post on
from of CNN saying it's just the curvature is from
the lens. It's you know, it's not a fish I
I mean, a go pro isn't fish eye. It's more
of a wide angle. Yeah. So, but apparently he kind
of was part of the flat earth community a little
(30:26):
bit and his kid named Adam Cudworth, and he kind
of got disowned after this. I think he was sort
of like saying, well, I don't think I believe this
anymore because I did this experiment, and then the community
kind of like turned on him. So jeez. You know
that we mentioned a long time ago where we talked
about this about the experiments you can do to test
(30:47):
the theories, and we've been getting some voicemails, some rather
uh angry voicemail is not angry, just arguments there. There
their arguments from people saying how that's incorrect and their
are experience you could do to prove the flower theory. Um,
so you know, again, it's gonna be actally get to
the edge and just don't and just didn't look over
(31:09):
like the earth is flat, Like, where's the edge? Because
you've gotta go past the ice room. Man, you can't
get past the ice room mountains. Come on, okay, come on, Sorry, sorry,
I'm not up on it. It's all good. Let's let's
continue on with an unrelated post by Leaf. Leaf says, Hey, guys,
I'd love to hear an episode on Australian mythical creatures
(31:31):
like the Yawi or the bunyip b U n y
i p. I personally was not aware of any of these,
and in just doing a little bit of research, yes,
you realize there's this whole like pantheon of of Australian
mythical creatures that are super cool and many of them
rooted in real fossil record in trees, you know. So, um,
(31:53):
this is the one I was talking about. Well, we
have to say before we get into this that this
is a topic that I know Ben would relish. The
one at the top of the show. I was like,
this is some of these might deserve an episode in themselves.
This is definitely one of them, but just a few
of them. One we found is something called drop bears,
and this came from Owen who chimed in on this thread,
(32:15):
and this idea from this National Geographic article that he
posted is that back in the day in Australia, you
might just be walking along doing your thing when a
dark shape plummets onto you from above, pinning you down
before you realize that you're being eaten alive by an
overgrown kowala. What. Yeah, and this is meant to be
sort of for funzies, because the idea is that's not true.
(32:35):
There was no carnivorous koalas that eight human flesh. And
yet um this myth, the idea that the drop bear
because it gets the drop on you, it jumps down
on you. Um, that's horrified. Yeah, it really is. It
sticks around. Uh, it's it's kind of been considered a
bit of a hoax, but paleontologists and fossil ficionados are
(32:58):
aware of a creature called the thigh look Khalio carnifex,
which they referred to as a marsupial lion. And that's
you know, kind of like a like an eating flesh
eating koala. Yeah. And you can see a picture of
this thing at Australian Museum dot net dot a U
slash th h y l A c O l EO
(33:21):
dash Carnifax, which is c A R N I F
e X And this thing actually to type all that
into your your phone right now. Yeah, just just just
just keep use that ten second button. You got this,
You got this um, but like it's just google drop
bear and you'll get it. But this thing looks like
some wink something between like a wallaby and like a
(33:42):
tiger bear. And yeah, it looks horrifying and it would
have eaten you alive. Apparently it also has teeth. It's
called cheek teeth, large slicing cheek teeth. What does that mean?
I don't know, but I do not want to encounter
cheek teeth ever, No, thank you, No, definitely not. So
(34:02):
there we go. That's the drop bear. But we can
go into I want to hear more about the mythology
behind some of these creatures. Another suggestion in this thread
came from Michael, who sent us an article about um,
a giant fossilized snake skeleton that was found um in
the Australian Outback that is linked to something called dream Time.
(34:23):
You know about dream Time? Yes, you know. It was
mentioned in a book that my son just got. But
tell me more. Yeah, the dream time is is really
difficult to kind of like almost to translate into uh
an easily digestible concept, but it is kind of a
historical period, I guess in early Man, the aboriginal Um
people of the Australian outback, and the idea that they
(34:46):
had this whole pantheon of spiritual practices and gods and
animals and this idea that animals could talk to each
other and UM, A lot of it's still around today
and they call it the dreaming and it's actually featured
pretty heavily in uh the Sandman comics. I want to say,
there's like a there's a big story about the well
the dreaming and in the Sandman world. But also like
(35:09):
there's a there is definitely some dreamtime stories in uh
in in sad Manified. Yeah. But anyway, this this article
is about this particular giants gus snake skeleton, this serpent
that was found that kind of references in particular creature
from the dreamtime known as the Rainbow serpent, and this
(35:30):
particular type of prehistoric giant snake has a really difficult
to pronounce scientific term called mad soyds M A d
M A d T s O I I D s
Um and they've recently unearthed just a pile of these
things in the deep north of the Cape York Peninsula
in Australia. Okay, so, okay, Well there's a little taste
(35:54):
of some of this stuff. It's out there. There's real
fossil evidence of this, and I'm really interested in getting
into more of the dreamtime stuff. We just kind of
barely scratched it, but those were some really good ideas
and I think we may have an episode about that
in our future. And oh, you wanted to say a
little bit of something about the bun y up, Yeah,
just the bunyip in the alley are really interesting, the
two that were mentioned in the post. The ali is
(36:16):
I would say, close to a kin to a big
foot or a sasquatch or some some version of that.
And then the bunyip is really fascinating, like swamp creature.
I guess it's aquatic, right, yeah, like an aquatic animal
that you know there are a lot of reasons for
its existence. It's like a really good cautionary tale for
(36:39):
a kid. The like, if you talk about the existence
of this this scary creature, they could get you because
they're all of all sorts of scary things that can
get you in water, especially if you're in Australia. So,
my god, speaking of Australia, our buddies and stuff you
should know are about to do an Australian tour. And
somebody posted on their sisk Army page apparently there's a
(37:00):
thing in Australia called Magpie Season where like these magpies
just dive bomb random people like riding their bikes. Magpies, Yeah,
they're like they're like, you know, they're they're bigger than crows.
They almost look like falcons or something. And there's a
video somebody post him of this poor girl riding her
bike with a helmet on, knowing that she was going
to get attacked by this magpie because it was just
(37:21):
like danger zone magpie area, and this thing just is
relentless and just keeps dive bombing her head over and
over and over again. And I just, I just I replied,
this is terrifying, because you know how I feel about birds.
Oh my god, highly terrifying. Our next post comes from
Mark Danco and his text just says wa, and he's
(37:44):
posted another post like I guess a repost or taking
a picture of a screen grab and it's uh, someone
named Duncan McMaster saying Stanley Kubrick was hired to fake
the moon landing, but his perfectionism made them film it
on location on the moon Up. He's gonna leave that
one there. That's great. And then there's a comment on Twitter,
(38:05):
the only moon landing conspiracy theory I'll ever believe. Yeah,
that's that's pretty great. I'm pretty into it. So into that.
Thank you, Mark, Uh, we really appreciate it. I think
a lot of other people appreciated it too. And then
our next post comes from Nicholas Setler, I believe or sailer.
(38:26):
He posted a meme about the recent lawsuit against Monsanto's
product called round Up, and he said a San Francisco
court just awarded two hundred and eighty nine million dollars
to a school groundskeeper after it was determined that he
got cancer from using Monsanto's round Up every day. And
then he the meme says, so let me get this straight.
(38:46):
The conspiracy theorists were right again and tried to warn
us about this over five years ago. Um, what can
I What can I say? Nicholas? The conspiracy theorists it
seemed to have been right. But we've got some more
context here for you for this. If you haven't heard
about this lawsuit, yeah, I haven't actually heard a ton
about it until you mentioned it, matt Um and seeing
(39:07):
it on the page. But get glog. What's the what
are the what are the dats? Okay? So there's this
lawsuit that was filed in seen by a man named
Dwane Johnson. He was or his is or was I'm
not exactly sure what he's doing right now, but he
was a school system groundskeeper in California, and he alleged
that his use of Monsanto's gliophosphate based herbicides both round
(39:31):
up in this other one called Ranger Pro their gliophosphate
based um and they kill plants, lots and lots of plants,
among other things. And he's saying that his use of
these chemicals caused him to develop non Hodgkins limp foma. Uh,
some pretty serious cancer. So then in August of eighteen
last week, as we are sitting in this room recording
this episode, a California jury deliberated for three days and
(39:55):
then they found Monsanto liable for Mr. Johnson's cancer, specifically
it concluded that the company had failed to warn Dwayne
Johnson of the cancer risks associated with the use of
their products. And here's the thing that that logic and
that decision doesn't. They're not saying they failed to just
(40:17):
warn him. They're saying this company failed to warn all
users of their products about the cancer risk. And that's
like one of the most that's like the ubiquitous weed killer,
like you know, round up and around forever, you know, roundup. Ready,
crops are a massive issue. And here's the thing that's
interesting is the reason we're hearing about this case and
(40:38):
seemingly pretty speedy result here, right, is because he was
granted special dispensation because he had terminal cancer. And that's
a thing you can get judged to grant you a
quicker turnaround or you know, get to your case quicker.
I guess if if you have those kind of conditions,
but are more than eight hundred other patients that are
(40:59):
soon wing mon Santo in a class action. So how
cool is it or however you feel about it? I mean,
it's it's certainly interesting that there is a definitive you know,
this is your fault, Monsanto. You messed up we're awarding
this guy this massive amount of money. How is that
going to affect this class? I would think positively? Well, well,
here here's the thing. Okay, so their ordered to pay
(41:21):
thirty nine million in compensation to Mr Johnson as well
as two and fifty million dollars in punitive damage. Um.
The thing is that Monsanto is they already stated they're
going to appeal the verdict. I think that's pretty obvious.
They're gonna appeal until they can't um. And they also
stated that hundreds of scientific studies and reviews support the
(41:43):
fact that glop phosphate does not cause cancer, and it
did not cause Mr Johnson's cancer. However, one of the
lawyers from Mr Johnson, he stated that as uh. As
part of the trial, the jury was shown these internal memos,
these documents from mon Santo that proved mon Santo had
(42:04):
known for decades that gliophost fate and specifically round up
could cause cancer. Well, the same stuff we see with
like these pharmaceutical companies and like what was it the
Purdue or whatever? When did the opiates episode the other week?
They knew that oxy cotton was was was just as addictive,
and yet continued to push that company line of no,
it's fine, and they I think went so far as
(42:25):
to either falsify or hold back you know, study data
that they had. I mean, these companies will stop at
nothing to keep pushing their products on the public if
if they're doing well. You know, have you seen the
show Succession on HBO? I really want to though, I
really want to. Yeah, I plan on it very soon.
It's about sort of a like a Trump esque family, right. Uh,
(42:48):
it's it's closer to a corporate uh you know, bmth
kind of like it's closer to like someone who would
own a CNN or something because I think it's based
on Ruper Murder or Murdoch. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And it's
the guy who wrote it, I want to say, had
his hands in a bunch of interesting kind of comedy stuff,
like I think he wrote for a peep show and um,
(43:10):
another show that we talked about recently. Well, yeah, and
Adam McKay, Will Ferrell, they're they're both involved in this show.
Oh yeah, this guy Jesse Armstrong, he wrote for Peep Show,
which I love if you haven't seen that, and the
and the political movie in the Loop. Um, the Armando
in Nucci movie, which we talked about recently, and I
haven't actually haven't seen it, but I really love Death
of Stalin. Oh nice, Yeah, Death of Stalin. I haven't
(43:31):
seen that, but I will. But the reason I bring
up Succession is because they they refer to this concept
of where the bodies are buried within a company, like
where all the bad stuff is that we can't let out.
They referred to it as the death pit, I believe,
and this just feels like mon Santo's one of mon
Santo's death pits. But it's interesting to see such a
(43:53):
distinct victory, you know, for someone who clearly was you know,
I don't know, it's you know, maybe I don't want
to sound just like I'm so insanely anti corporate on
every level, but when you see stuff like this, it
actually affects people's lives, and then the companies are like,
you know, resulting to every dirty trick in the book.
It it kind of feels like a little bit of
(44:15):
come up and see you now. It's nice to see
the little the little guys, you know, win occasionally interested
to see how this class action progresses. I agree completely,
And here's the final I'm gonna read the entire final
paragraph from this New York Times article. In September, the
e p A, or Environmental Protection Agency, concluded a decades
long assessment of glio phosphate risks and found that the
(44:37):
chemical was not likely carcinogenic to humans, But the World
Health Organization's Cancer arm in classified glio phosphate as probably
carcinogenic to humans. So there you go. Okay, it doesn't
get more cut and drying that. Yeah, who has more
(45:00):
were of a financial interest in that? Huh? Anyway, all right,
let's let's let's move on. Oh wait, nol, we should
probably take a word from it. I think it's time
I need a little pause for the cause. Our next
post came from Simon Gregory, and all he did was
(45:20):
put a very inconspicuous little link to a very odd website. Yeah,
something called as Guardia. What's as Guardia, Matt, Well, it's
specifically as Guardia dot space slash e n and uh
as Guardia. Man. That sounds familiar, doesn't it. Yeah, other
than being the realm of the gods in Norse mythology, Um,
(45:43):
this as guard and he just makes it sound more futuristic,
it does, I guess it does so. UM as Guardia
purports to be the world's first ever space nation, also
referring to themselves on this site as a space kingdom. Yeah,
and it was founded and funded by a guy named
(46:03):
Igor Asher Bailey UM who is a member of the
Aerospace International Research Center. And the whole idea here is
that as Guardia wants to be an independent nation in
space and become a member of the u N. In
order to achieve this, they launched UM a back in
November of seventeen, a small bread loaf size. That's how
(46:25):
I've seen described satellite, the Asgardia one UM into space. UM.
The idea was that it would orbit at the International
Space Station, where it remained until it then deployed to
low Earth orbit. And their claim here is that this
somehow gives them sovereignty in space because they have establiss
(46:46):
like planting a flag kind of space, because I guess
no one owns space, right, Like that's sort of the idea. Yeah,
that's that's hilarious. I have seen that this thing actually
contains some data or something or yeah, no, not only that, UM.
And you can actually, if you're remember, you can upload
your own stuff to it to what end. I'm not
(47:06):
certain for tere well, one terabyte is what's on it now.
I'm surely has more storage. Okay. But there is a
field on the site, on the Ascardia site where if
you have a log in and are actually a member,
which we'll get into in a second, you this little
form where you can upload um any material, photos, anything
that you want up there in space. Um. But you know,
(47:27):
sure seems like they're an awful long way away from
having any kind of space colonies. I don't think they're
gonna get the two hundred thousand plus citizens that they have. Uh,
They're not going to fit into that bread bread loaf, right,
They're gonna They're gonna have to do some serious coordination. Um.
But that's the thing. There are two hundred thousand people
that have identified themselves as citizens, and they're across the
(47:48):
world and two hundred plus countries. Uh, and they claim
on the site to be a hundred and seventy one
in population size. And they're actually holding parliamentary style all
actions right now. And there are several high profile UK
lawmakers that are running. Oh my god, that's amazing. It's
(48:08):
pretty crazy. Yeah. And um, this is another one that
I think there's enough information and enough intrigue behind the
establishment of this. I want to know more about their goals.
I want to know more about how they actually plan
to get these people into space. But it's all just
kind of smoking mirrors and and the stories behind these
kind of high profile UK lawmakers. A guy named limbit
(48:28):
Opik who has had more scandals than you can shake
a stick at, and a guy named Nigel evans Um
are both very intensely involved. So I kind of want
to just tease it at that and and you look
into it yourselves, folks, and prep for maybe an episode
coming up on as Gardia. Yes please. I think one
way you can do it is just like send sequenced
(48:50):
DNA up there, like just data from people's DNA. That way,
when it when it gets discovered somehow in the future
by our AI overlords, the can just recreate the biologic
biological life. I don't like it, Okay, cool, Yeah that's right,
you're you at a space camp. Yeah, but even preparing
for this for your your whole life, dude, But cards
(49:12):
coming back, I'm ready, let's do this. Pcardi's coming back. Piccardi. Yeah,
the only vodka. Uh, Space faring captain. Okay, so let's
go to Adam Williams. He he posted about a gentleman
named Richard B. Russell, and I'll just read what he
(49:33):
says here. Twenty nine year old grounds service employee at
Alaska Airlines stole a Dash eight from C Tach just
to do a flip and see some whales before the
plane ran out of fuel. Unfortunately it came to a
fiery end, but out of harm's way to anyone else.
Very good audio and video of the incident on YouTube
search for stolen plane Seattle, and Richard wrote a little
(49:56):
bit more. You can see it on on the page
if you want to go check out. But let's go
ahead and play a quick excerpt from the audio that
he's speaking about here, just flying the plane around. Do
you seem comfortable with that? Oh? Hell yeah, it's the
blast man. I played video games before, so I uh,
you know, I know what I'm doing a little bit okay,
(50:18):
and uh And you can see all the terrain around you.
You've got no issue with visibility or anything. No, everything's
peach PC clean. Just did a little circle around right
near It's beautiful. Um, I think I got some gas
to go check out the Olympics and uh yeah, okay,
(50:38):
and rich do you know are you able to tell
what altitude you're at the jets? No, I'm not taking
it to any jets. I'm actually keeping you away from
aircraft that they're trying to land. A seat tech. Oh okay, yeah,
I don't want to screw that. I'm glad, glad you're not,
uh you know, screwing up everyone else's day. So, yes,
(50:59):
this is a real thing. This just happened on August
eleven of uh. This gentleman Richard Russell. He was also
known as Bibo, also known as sky King, and that's
probably how you might know of him right now. Is
that his gamer handle, because apparently he has only experienced
flying was playing video games. Yes, if that at least
(51:20):
he says that in the in the video or in
the air traffic control communication. He was a twenty nine
year old ground service employee with a place called the
Horizon Air and he was working out of the Seattle
Tacoma International Airport. And yes, he did steal a twin
engine turboprop plane from this maintenance area and he instantly
(51:41):
I was watching some live leak videos when this was
happening in real time. People were uploading, and he became
an Internet meme and a legend when the recordings of
his communications with air traffic came out because he was
just calm as anything. He said, it was the first
time you've ever flown a pretty large plane, and he
(52:01):
was doing maneuvers like flips and barrel rolls, and he
somehow had taught himself how to do this stuff just
with like Microsoft Flight simulating and other things. Um, he
was not trained to be a pilot. Pretty stinking insane. Um.
And you know what were his motives? Like why did
(52:21):
he want He just wanted to have some yucks. Motives
are unclear right now, but it does seem as though
maybe he was dealing with something depression or some issues.
This guy did crash the plane and and die, but
whether he did that intentionally is still a bit of
an unknown. It's kind of a conjecture. I would I
(52:42):
would say that it is not a hundred percent clear
that he was suicidal, but the things he said certainly
would lead you to believe that he was. Yeah, he
he did say in this conversation with air traffic control
that he knew how to put the landing gear down,
but that he wasn't really planning on doing it, on
landing it, and then he referred to himself as a
broken guy with with some screws loose. I think, yeah,
(53:05):
but yeah, pretty pretty bold way to go. Yeah, And
there's no real stuff they don't want you to know
here outside the fact that this maintenance worker was able
to successfully steal hijacks steal a plane and not to
mention like how in the same way as with the
credit card scam right earlier, Um, how is this going
to affect the kind of access that employees get? You know,
(53:26):
as security gets tighter and tighter, Um, every interaction we
have in society is starting to get more and more monitored,
and we're just looking for new potential threats always, and
like now it's like we're looking at him from the inside.
So I wonder if it's gonna require different clearances or
what what what it's going to mean for for people,
(53:46):
you know, at airports. I don't know, there's a lot
of potential for change there. And I would just say
I don't know enough about how you get a plane
to start, like a giant turboprop engine plane to start.
Are their keys involved, Is their code involved their software?
I don't know, but I'm gonna look it up and
learn more, so I guess yeah. Here here's to you,
(54:09):
skuy King. Our final post for this episode comes from
Alex Laski and he posted a Guardian story and it's
the title is man find for pretending to be a
ghost in Portsmouth Cemetery? Yeah? And the reason this is great,
uh is because the it's like the commentary is his interviewer,
(54:31):
where do you see yourself in five years? Me? And
in this post man find for pretending to be a
ghost of cemetery? And I couldn't help but let this
oh oh yeah? And then the below the below the
headline police spokesman say witnesses complained about Anthony Stallard throwing
his arms in the air and saying and it couldn't
(54:54):
I couldn't help but be reminded of our Ghosts of
Versailles episode where there was like some question as to
whether these two emmen who claimed to have seen the
ghosts of Marie Antoinette and several other members of her
court in the gardens around Versailles weren't just seeing like
reenactors or like some kind of people in costume or
you know, folks pretending to be ghosts. Yeah, what was it?
(55:16):
We don't know. Uh. This dude, by the way, Anthony
Stallard had to pay thirty five pounds and he was
also he was fighting to pounds in order to pay
twenty pounds uh to a victim. Oh, it's called a
victims surcharge, as well as twenty pounds in cost So
after a will find there for pretending to be a ghost.
(55:37):
And boy, what a what a wild ride this one's been, Matt,
Yes it has. We have been here, there, and and
and yawn. This is certainly where it got crazy today.
And while I miss uh, you know, this bend shaped
void here and the bend shaped hole in my heart.
You know, it's it's a bit of a bummer. I'm
(55:57):
glad we were able to push forward and get one
of these out and to look forward to doing the
next one with Sir Ben back in full corporeal glory.
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