Listener Appreciation 2017: The Cattle Witcher Edition

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

(00:23):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Noel. And oh I hear a lack of something,
A great void, A great void, as as though a
chasm in the earth opened up and swallowed our compatriot Benjamin. Yeah.
I actually have a bit of a confession to make here.
When we were performing the ritual that that we do

(00:46):
to someone Ben here every week we get him in well,
I unfortunately screwed up on one of the runes and
he ended up in Nevada somewhere. Matt, you know you
can't screw up the runes. I know. I usually am
super super careful, but we were just getting back from
the holiday break. It's such a stickler for the runes. Matt.

(01:07):
How could you let this happen? This? I can tell
you he is safe. He's contacted us through you know,
the neuro telepathy ways that he generally does. He says
he's safe. He's dealing with a lot of technology or something.
I was a little I don't know. I didn't understand
that part very well, but he said he'll be back
to us soon, and uh, he's fine. He already was

(01:27):
killing it on the slots. I heard that too. You wait, okay,
So when you hear his communications, is it like an
echo in the back of your head or does it
sound like he's talking next to you. It's most sort
sort of more like a kind of that oh got you. Wow.
It just it sort of rips through my psyche and

(01:48):
because it just it brings me to my very knees.
Every time it happens, I usually end up with a nosebleed,
but a little bit wiser right every time when you know,
no pay, no game. In my opinion, he is uh
one of the best parts of this show, and hopefully
he will be back here very very soon. You know
what he would say, The best part of the show
is though who you not? You, Matt, You're okay? You

(02:13):
the listeners. Oh that is very true, And it is
true that we just got back from the holidays after
a little break there. And you know, anytime you were
at home, even if it's just by yourself with your family,
whatever you're doing there, it's a time of reflection and
we were definitely thinking a lot about you again, not you, No, sorry,
you weren't thinking about me, Matt a little when I

(02:35):
was playing around with my Google Home, which is one
of the things I received. Yeah, man, I I felt
like when we were talking about this gift, there was
part of you that was kind of nerding out about
it and excited that. You know, it's almost like, here's
the future. I've got my very own Jarvis or or
how well, yeah, you know. Oh, I'm definitely excited, but
not as excited as my son is. Because you can

(02:58):
ask the thing, Hey, Google, what what sound does a
chicken make? And then it will play a sound file
of a chicken delightful, oh man, And he walks up
to the thing and he just goes. He points at
it and he goes moo. And then we have to
spend like fifteen minutes doing animal sounds with the Google Home. Well,
I thought that was funny, and I think it was

(03:18):
either for the Home or the Amazon equivalent. There was
a commercial where it's like a father reading a bedtime
story to his child and is constantly being interrupted by
the child quizzing the father about some detail about a
sea creature, and then the father in turn asking Google
or Amazon, whatever it's called, what that creature is about background,

(03:40):
And I just felt like that was a little bit
of a disruption of the story, you know, like it
was really injecting itself in that's sort of a cloing,
irritating way. But um so back to what you're saying, Yes,
there's some nerd ing out qualities to a gift like this,
But then there's that other part of your brain, that
part that lives in constant fear and paranoia of being
served ailed that I think gave you a bit of

(04:02):
a red flag there. Didn't imagin Oh definitely. It's sitting
in my living room and the thing is just listening
right now. It's just sitting there doing what it does,
just listening to everything around it. And you know, it
doesn't have any interaction with you, the user unless you
use those keywords okay Google or hey Google. And uh
no matter what though, that mike is on unless you

(04:24):
tell it to turn it off, and you can do
that and it will turn off. But it's just sitting
there with its orange lights on then, and uh, I
don't know, it wears me out. And as a matter
of fact, I I just saw a interview on Democracy
Now UM where it discussed a case of a man
being accused of murder and the police attempting to use

(04:48):
information on his Amazon Echo UM against him. Yeah recordings
and uh, you know they apparently Amazon has not complied.
It's probably in a very similar way to Apple was
asked to crack the phone of the San Bernardino shooter.
UM and they likely won't um, you know, based on
the interview. But it's an interesting precedent, and it starts

(05:10):
to get you thinking about, you know, the more of
these kind of devices that we have in our lives,
you know, the more cans of worms that we've purchased
big brother and placed them in our living space, and
it's connected to the Internet. I mean, you know, we
gotta put a lot of trust in Amazon and Google
to you know, literally stick by their guns and do
no evil when Google at least, But as Ben would say,

(05:34):
not being evil is not necessarily the same thing as
being good. But yeah, so Christmas and gifts, and you know,
I got a I've got myself a gift actually a
a PlayStation four. I've been jealous of everyone with their
shiny new consoles for which has been like almost two
years now, and the reason was that Fallout. For I'm

(05:54):
just such a huge fan of the Fallout games, and
I just was really jealous of everyone's morale adding and
and you know, settlements and you know, yeah, and this
one you can actually build bases, and you know, I
feel like we might be headed to a place where
the country is gonna look a whole lot like that game.
So I'm just kind of prepping, doing me some doomsday

(06:15):
prepping in the form of of gaming. But no, but
why are we here today. We talk about the listeners.
We talk about you, the listeners. We hope you had
a really lovely Christmas holiday, whatever you celebrate. Um break
let's call it, because man, we all need one. Uh.
It's been a hell of a year twenty sixteen, Am
I right? You are correct? A lot of lost, a

(06:38):
lot of heroes. Um and uh. We we saw some
villains rear their heads, villains of all shapes, sizes, and stripes.
But that's why we wanted to get back to you guys.
We're going through all kinds of messages that have been
sent to us through all different sorts of mediums, so
I figured we'll just jump right into it. See where
it takes us and have a little conversation amongst ourselves

(07:02):
and respond, O, God, Ben just sent me his regards.
Yes to the listeners, I didn't get anything. I know
you looked fine. He honed in on you. It hurts.
It hurts. What do we have first? First we have
a message from Stony, interesting names, Stony. Stony says, you
think he's from Estonia? Oh, one can only hope. I

(07:24):
certainly hope. So Stony says, the Mandel effect is in
full effect? Or did this movie actually exist? And Stoney
sent us a link. Oh, and it is referring to
the alleged movie from the nineteen nineties known as shah
Zam that not Kauzam. Shah Zam. Supposedly it featured the

(07:45):
actor comedian Sindbad as a genie ho ho, And he
sent us a relevant magazine article and in it, it's
just going through all of these instances of people truly
leaving that there was a film called Shazam starring Sinbad
where he was a genie and he granted wishes. It

(08:06):
sounds striking ly similar to Kauzam, the movie starring Shack
which I have seen and actually rewatched, not long ago
when um did it? Ever, I I don't find that
it does, but there are moments that bring me back.
The member berries exist in there pretty hard. Um. According
to the man himself, Simbad, he is adamant that he

(08:29):
never made this film, that it does not exist, that
it's not real. You can't find it on IMDb, you
can't find it anywhere in the places you would normally
check on a film like this, and uh, that's where
I believe the story is. However, there are pictures, purported
pictures of this film, this VHS tape that existed that

(08:51):
you know, people saw who worked at Blockbuster apparently, who
have fond memories of it. But again it's a lot
of the lot of the evidence you'll find is photoshopped pictures.
He does kind of he always had those kind of
genie ear rings. He always wear those big hoop ear
rings and really brightly colored shirts. I really liked Sinbad shirts, yeah,

(09:15):
I think. And he's got that kind of mischievous kind
of grin like a genie might have. And his name
is Sinbad. I mean, come on, there's got to be
some kind of gin in there somewhere. Yeah, definitely some
gin juice in there. Um. Yeah, it's also one of
those kind of nostalgic things where it's easy to conflate,
you know, the memory of a movie like Kazam and
excuse me, no, I now see I'm doing it Alreadyam

(09:38):
is the one that exists with shack Um, a minor film,
let's say, but you know, it's got that nostalgic quality
to it, and then you conflate it with with Sinbad.
And he was in a lot of movies that were
kind of like he see he seems like he might
have been in a movie like that. We did a
string of kind of like buddy comedies and like like

(09:58):
House Guests. Remember House Guests, I do remember, how you know?
It just feels like, you know, maybe they did like
a Ants Versus a Bug's Life thing where they kind
of had like parallel thinking where maybe there were two
genie movies that came out and then I've seen it
compared exactly to those two films Ants in a Bug's Life. Yeah.
I think it may have something to do with how
our memory functions now with the Internet being this secondary

(10:22):
portion of we rely on it. Yeah, and when you think,
like a lot of our memories are bits and pieces
now that essentially our search terms that then you would
put into Google and find out the actual information. But
you just say Google, Google me this. Yeah, exactly exactly,
and uh, you know, we're still reliant on it now.

(10:43):
I feel like maybe that's just how our memories are
being formed as search terms. It worries me, you know,
and being a being a dad. Um My eight year
old is way into tech and iPads and all that,
and I worry that there's a part of her brain
that's maybe underdive of. But then there's also a party
like maybe that is being shifted to a different part

(11:04):
of her brain that we just don't have because we,
you know, developed all these things later in life. I wonder.
I don't know, it's it's yeah, she dumb, doing well
in school, she's a smart kid. But there's just part
of me that, like, you know, is this a crutch?
Is this something that can actually cause problems for us
over time? I feel I feel that potential. The cool

(11:27):
thing is that our kids are much more likely to
infuse with this technology in their future, so that they
will actually become a part of the network, the Google implant. Yeah,
and maybe they'll live forever in that way. Who knows
about us? Ye? Maybe? Well, I think we should go
to another listener, male A shout out if you will. Next,

(11:49):
we're going to go to Phil. My grandfather's name was Phil. Yeah,
just you know on that out there. Um. Phil says,
I used to be a Jehovah's witness for twenty two years.
He's not any war. Um. If you haven't heard their
interpretation of the flood, he's referring to the the Great Flood,
um and the Noah story from the Bible. Um, you

(12:10):
might find this interesting, he says. So this is what
they believe. Pre flood, the Earth was a constant temperature.
This was because the Earth had a layer of water
vapor in its atmosphere. This acted like a blanket, so
the heat from the sun would be the same all
around the planet. When the flood came, it's this water
vapor that rained down. Now this layer isn't in the

(12:31):
atmosphere anymore. That is why we have extremes of temperature
from the equator out to the poles. When the flood happened,
the Earth was flatter. After the flood, tectonic plates have moved,
causing mountains to be higher and valleys deeper. This is
why there would have been enough water to flood the earth.
And where did the water go. The North and South

(12:52):
poles frozen before the flood. They did not exist as
far as the animals were concerned. They only took a
few of the type dog, cat, sheep, etcetera. The different
breeds that we have now are from cross breeding. I
hope you found this interesting. I'm a big fan of
the show and I look forward to each new episode.
Thank you and thank you Phil. That is bizarre and fascinating.

(13:14):
And I've never went to, you know, talk down on
anyone's beliefs, but the combination of all this stuff, it
just is very, very h strange to me. What do
you think It's fascinating in that it seems like there
are scientific underpinnings to a lot of the ideas. Uh,
if you did take archetypes into an arc after a flood,

(13:36):
then perhaps you could see some of the types. Yes,
you can see some of the diversity appear. However, you
wouldn't see it globally. I don't think it would be
possible to proliferate that many types of species throughout the
entire planet. But you know, given enough time, anything could happen.
And one thing we found over the years is that
when you're looking at ancient writing timetables, they're not all

(14:01):
kept in the same way. They're they're not all looking
at the same actual time, like a year, a day, uh,
you know, whatever, whatever nomenclature they use, it could be different.
But the coolest thing to me is the water vapor
being like a layer of water vapor rather than just
the clouds that we have now within our inner atmosphere.
But I guess, I guess in this instance, the water

(14:24):
would be further away from the Earth itself, so as
the Sun's energy is hitting the Earth, it's actually heating
up that layer rather than the Earth itself, or at
least the majority of it. So then the Earth has
a seemingly unified temperature, although I don't know if the
science behind that holds up, something we'd have to look into.

(14:47):
But why the water vapor. That seems like such a
specific anomaly that we don't see in that way anymore.
Maybe things changed, bro, I don't know, or it's one
of those situations where you were, you know, trying to
explain what happened using you know, or make up the evidence.
I guess make up the story to fit what you

(15:08):
want to believe it. Maybe that or you know who,
who knows. Maybe the Jehovah's witness story is true and
we just don't understand it yet. Yeah, I'm looking at
Actually it's um in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society,
which is an offshoot of the Jehova's Witnesses Church. Um,
they outline all of this stuff and they talk about

(15:29):
a water vapor canopy. Um. And then this is like,
you know, considered to be the answer. So dude, all right,
well I'm gonna look into it more. Phil, Thank you
so much for writing in. Our next piece of mail
comes from Benjamin. Benjamin says, just finished the Though was
Arc episode. Ben had mentioned his thought experiment about aliens

(15:50):
visiting a world devoid of humans and examining the ruins.
It immediately reminded me of the excellent book Motel of
Mysteries by David mcaulay. Uh. Let's see, he wrote the
Motel of Mysteries in nineteen seventy nine. Oh, and he's
giving an explanation what the book is here. The year
is forty two, and there was a mass extinction. So

(16:13):
technology is roughly the same as it would have been
in the early nineteen hundreds. In the story, and archaeologists
stumbles across the ruins of an old motel and the oh, okay,
the book is similar to an academic publication, complete with
highly detailed illustrations and a third and thoroughly inaccurate conclusion.
So I'm guessing, ah, yes, here we go. There's a

(16:34):
PDF excerpt here. Okay. So in the book there are
illustrations of a motel room, and there is a person
a skeleton on a bed, there's a TV. Uh, there's
sofa's lights, looks like maybe a wine bottle on the floor,
and everything is numbered as though it's evidence or something.

(16:56):
And it says figure one sketching labeling of the archaeologic
cold discoveries made in the outer burial chamber. That's really interesting.
So looking at a motel far in the future as
a burial chamber where human remains were found, and then
explaining all of the different objects in the burial chamber
quotes Yeah, I wonder, like, is the TV maybe like

(17:19):
with the with the position of prominence that you know,
occupies in the room and might have been considered like
some sort of shrine or you know, like a god,
like a you know, a doubt to be worshiped in
some way, because I mean, you've got the guy. There's
like one of the images in there is a skeleton
in a bed, you know, and then the TV is
just like center like on a shelf, like raised up

(17:40):
as though that were like somehow some kind of like
holy object. Oh yeah, oh yeah, this looks fan like fascinating.
I'm gonna have to breathe through all of that, Benjamin. Oh,
he also says. Benjamin says, as a former archaeologist, this
book was hilarious and remains topical with its poignant political
and environmental observations. That's awesome, Thank you, Benjamin. And the

(18:02):
pages that they would make really great coloring pages for
every single object has like a little number on it,
and uh, you know, I don't know, it's like this,
this image of the skeleton in the bed is almost
looks like a far side comic or something like that.
It's it's fantastic. What really makes you think about the
technology we used today and what what it will be
like to future generations As a braw hanging from the TV,

(18:27):
like running to the TV and there's beer bottles everywhere.
I wonder what future civilizations would think of brawl could
possibly have accomplished. Surely they we will have moved past
that technology. You know. I've actually been had a little
bit of downtime myself. It's so very unusual for me,
and I've got to take a week off and got
to watch catch up on a few movies. And one

(18:49):
that I just thought was so overflowing with interesting stuff
to talk about on the show was the recent Werner
Herzog documentary about the Internet called Low and Behold. Um
and I think you're most of the way through it
now at this point too. Write uh so, listeners, if
you guys have not seen this, it is on Netflix.
Check it out. I'm not gonna spoil anything major, it's

(19:10):
I mean, it's a documentary. It's hard to spoil a documentary.
But um, they were just like a handful of topics,
and it basically just talks about like the history of
the Internet, which in and of itself is fascinating, but
then just like how we have come to depend on
the Internet, and then a lot of like really high
level thinkers talk about, you know, the algorithms behind the

(19:31):
Internet and like the way it's almost like an organic thing.
And at some point Vernon Herzog asks the really fascinating
question to all of these brilliant intellectuals, um who you know,
our coders and like all kinds of different folks, um
musk hackers. He asks, does the Internet dream of itself?

(19:52):
In his amazing Verner Herzog, boys, sometimes the Internet dream
of itself? That's it was because yeah, okay, it's like
well like, well like does the Internet dream of itself?
Oh that's great? And that wasn't that good? Well that's
a great that's a great question. It is a great question.
And what don't tell people? Don't tell people? And I'm

(20:14):
gonna give you my answer. I mean the way the
Internet like begets information and it almost just feels like
a living thing, even though we you know, we we
have to feed it, but it you know, the idea
of meme culture, like the idea of mimetics, where the
Internet at large sort of generates all of these byproducts,

(20:35):
you know, and then you think of a thing like
deep dream, the good Google algorithm that allows you know,
you to insert photos um or you take a picture
and then it finds the closest texture in all of
Google images and puts that texture in place of whatever
texture is already there. A lot of times it's dogs

(20:56):
and cats and there's so many pictures of man. Yeah,
you can see it. You concede it with a collection
as well, exactly, but like you can also make it
where it just kind of like goes wild and like
looks looks everywhere. But like to me, that's a good
example of the Internet kind of what whether the idea
of it dreaming, you know, and it implies consciousness, you know.
And I don't know that they're necessarily conscious. It is

(21:16):
what we make it, I guess. But it as a
complex system. It is one of the most robust and
fascinating out there. For sure. I think we need to
do more episodes on the Internet. We need to reach
So that was one topic just does that in and
of itself, we could go on about for for hours.
But another one that I was not aware of was
this collection of Chinese cyber attacks collectively called Titan Rain

(21:41):
that have been happening since two thousand three um. And
you know, the identities of the hackers are not not
publicly known, and I'm sure they have they masked their
I p s and use various different techniques for doing that.
But uh, they're all targeting government facilities and trying to
get us secrets and you know all of this, and

(22:03):
it's an interesting precursor to what we're seeing in the
news right now with everyone being concerned about Russian cyber attacks. Um.
And yet you don't really hear too much about the
Chinese attacks. And the film talks to a cybersecurity expert
or an analyst. I believe he works for the CIA,
or he works for a private company. He was a

(22:23):
probably company, yeah, exactly, and he couldn't talk about hardly
anything because it was all like super you know, it
was dangerous. It's very dangerous exactly. Um. But you get
a real glimpse into that world, and it's a really interesting,
um kind of context to put what we're experiencing now
with the Trump campaign and you know, this theory that

(22:44):
Russian hackers somehow tried to sway the election. You know,
you just realized like how much power exists in you know,
information and like being able to disseminate it or choose
what to do with it, and you know how it
can change people's minds. That's a crazy situation that we're
gonna have to get into at a later date as
things unravel a little bit more, just because we have

(23:05):
these official intelligence institutions all agreeing that these attacks came
from Russia, but you know, the President elect not necessarily
refusing that this is true, but deflecting quite a bit
about it being true, UM, pushing back against it. And
at the same time, we have what Julian O Songs
just got interviewed by who was it handed e Sean

(23:28):
HANNITYDN see, but I saw the highlights, and he's denying,
you know, wholeheartedly that that d n C information came
from any state actors. That's that was He chose his
his words very carefully, Uh, Julian Solnge did. And he
also stated that, you know, again he's reiterated that we

(23:49):
do not reveal our sources because we protect them. But
we in this instance, because of this pressure coming from
the United States government, then we're gonna say it was
not a state actor. Fascinating stuff. It's really fascinating. And
I just read an article in the Wall Street Journal
UM where it was talking about an insider in Trump's
transition team. UM was saying that he is looking to

(24:12):
more or less gut intelligence agencies like send you know,
staffers off to you know, field positions, and just more
or less kind of like slim down all of these
intelligence agencies and basically spy agencies. Then in the article
Lindsey Graham, there has been no you know, uh friend

(24:34):
of Trump, you know, throughout the election process. Um has
kind of had to jump on board a little bit.
But he was saying that between the way he put
it was between you know, a man on the run
living in an embassy and our most respected high level
intelligence officials who are sworn to protect our country. Uh,

(24:55):
I'm gonna go with the second of the two, you know,
in terms of who to believe, and just the fact
that Trump is invoking a Sande's name in that way too,
as though he's like a reputable individual, and he has
kind of been looked at as like an enemy of
the state in a lot of ways because of all
of the things he's leaked and putting you know, people

(25:16):
at risk, diplomats and such. You know, Well, yeah, supposedly,
I don't know, I'm in a tough place with this one.
Not to give my opinion too much, but I I
certainly have respect for Julian Sane and the investigative and
journalistic work that he does and all of Wiki leaks,
just because I got on board way back in the
day with the Iraq war logs and with some of

(25:37):
the early early stuff. Um, you know, I can't throw
this guy out the window say he's an enemy, though
I do completely understand how intelligence agencies view him in
that way. I'm saying is that's kind of the company line,
you know, as far as he's concerned. And for Trump
to kind of like invoke his name in more of
a friendly way, I think it's interesting. Oh yeah, definitely. Well, hey, Matt,

(26:01):
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What you got, We're back with no delay. We've got

(26:23):
one from Su. Su says, I'm not sure how true
this is, but it is someone bewitching a cow as
you asked, Oh, okay, it's a video clip here of
Oh this is Stanley's Superhumans, a show that has been
on for quite a while now, and it's a clip
of this gentleman known as kansaw a sense. Who is

(26:47):
they're they're calling him a beast master. Supposedly he can
move his arms and use g manipulation that energy that
known energy in many circles, unknown in others, that flows
through all living things and all living beings. Uses that
to make alpacas and separately bison to lie down and

(27:08):
go to sleep, at least allegedly, and there's video proof
of him doing this in two separate instances. Fascinating. Oh.
This is in response to uh cattle witching from the
Cold Goo episode. Ben's famous cattle witching comment. People people
like that one. I really did want to learn more
about this. I wonder if this is the describe what

(27:31):
can you describe this to me? Like a little bit
like what how does he go about this? What does
it look like? Okay, so you're not gonna be able
to see this, but he uses one hand. We'll see
it in our minds. Okay. Um, So he's going to
face the animals rather far away. He says the energy
works better when he's further away for some reason. So
he outstretches one hand, let's say, his left hand, and

(27:53):
kind of holds it palm facing the animals. And then
with his right hand he's doing movements kind of like
you've seen in raiki before maybe where he's been he
it looks like he's manipulating energy like you'd see um,
I don't know, a super saying or someone using their
like gathering energy and pushing it and moving it, manipulating it.
And then the alpacas just begin to get on their

(28:15):
knees and then lay down and put their heads down,
and the same with the bison. It's rather fascinating to watch.
It's remarkable. I don't know if this is considered cattle
witching or if this is this man truly doing something
to change the way the cattles think. Do you think
his skills are limited to alpacas and bison? No, according
to the Gentleman, at least from the clip, No, these

(28:37):
were just two groups of animals that were available for
the filming. I guess of the show fascinating issue. Thanks
for sending that in. I really really appreciate that. And man,
we heard from quite a few cattle witchers out there.
You guys got some hidden talents. This one comes from Joshua.
I am one of what you have referred to as
cattle witchers. My father too has the gift, and his

(28:59):
grandfather as well. Not my paternal grandfather, though he was
a jerk. Well he's in there. Uh so, I'm pretty
sure the animals could tell kind of hilarious that he
tried to be a farmer. I'm not sure about making
entire herds of cattle stampede, but I am able to
gaze into the eyes of various animals and influence them

(29:20):
in some way, usually either making them very uncomfortable or affectionate. Interesting.
The same effect happens to most people when you gaze
into their eyes as well. House pets just will not
leave me alone, whether it be my own pets or
those of others. Yeah, maybe you just have like beautiful,
deep blue, lagoon like eyes that you just get lost in.

(29:41):
I can't imagine it. I'm hypnotized just just thinking about it. Um. So,
he does say that it can be frustrating, as reading
can be difficult with cats and dogs crawling all. Are
you anyway with bo vines specifically? Not all are so
easily bewitched? Yeah, yeah, bo vines. Um. I've lived in
many different regions and the culture slash attitude of cattle

(30:05):
very interesting. So there's probably like the ones that live
wait wait wait, the culture and attitude of the cows. Yeah,
there's snooty cows. No, there's there's probably like in real
entitled cows, all right, and then there's cows that you know,
are people take one for the team, you know, and
that are all there. You know, they play well with others.
I want to know more about this. None of what
I just said is in the letter. That's all my

(30:26):
editorializing here. But let's let's continue. The cattle around dairy
farms are far more trusting than those around beef range. Well,
that makes sense because the beef cattle they're probably used
to hearing the dying screams of their compatriots, and you know,
the milk ones are worst a little uncomfortable. Um, probably

(30:49):
a better life. Uh. But I've tried to get the
beef cattle to make a run for it, but they
stubbornly maintained that they enjoyed the grain and liked it
there on the farm, and it wasn't worth leaving on
the off chance that I was telling them the truth
about the elaborate and ridiculous beef conspiracy. Like their meat
that was quote quotes there, so I'm guessing that is

(31:12):
how they interpreted it. So he's talking to the Yeah,
the beef cattle, who are going to be beef. Okay,
it's what's for dinner. Beef cattle are very stubborn. Furthermore,
in areas where there are fewer cows, they have a
proud and strong sense of independence. Makes sense to me,
and are therefore harder to talk to, as they will
often mock me for wearing clothes full full human Oh, Joshua, I,

(31:37):
I I feel like you're writing a funny letter to
us on purpose. But if you are serious and this
is all serious, uh, that is amazing, and uh thank
you either way for writing that? Is there more? Oh? Yeah,
I've tried to explain, but they seriously just don't get it.
Dairy cows are nice. They enjoy being scratched on the
neck behind their ears and try to offer life advice,

(31:59):
so they're sort of like the life coach of the
animal kingdom. I politely pay attention, as I know they
mean well. Other than bovine trips to the zoos sound cool,
The animals there don't have much to talk about. The
guerrillas are either very bitter or very content with their
zoo situation. I just thought you'd like to hear from
an actual cattle whicher. I hope you've enjoyed the inside.

(32:21):
Definitely we have, and I hope you all have as well.
And Joshua, thank you so much for this delightful letter
that was I mentally entertaining. Well. Uh, Matt, why don't
you take this one from a former staff sergeant writing
in about our drugs in the military episode. Yes, we're
going to redact the name here. This person says, I'm
a recently separated Infantry staff sergeant with ten years of

(32:44):
service and two year long deployments to Afghanistan. Your military
and drugs episode piqued my interest because throughout my time
in the military, I saw many abuses of certain substances.
I started college last summer, and in one of my classes,
I wrote a research paper on the abuse of energy
drinks by army troops. Uh and he sent it to
us here in an attachment. We have that, um, he says,

(33:08):
because I was writing the paper, it drew me deeper
and deeper, and I found it really fascinating. Oh. Talking
about the episode, thanks for making a great conspiracy podcast.
There are a few and far between. Very nice, sir,
Thank you have a good new year. So just to
jump in this paper a little bit. He's specifically talking
about energy drinks being supplemented to keep soldiers up and

(33:30):
awake and alert during times that they have to be
on duty for any one reason or another. And he's
saying that this perhaps will find out later after more research,
is contributing to instances of sleep deprivation, which can then
possibly lead to a worsening of PTSD post traumatic stress disorder. Um,

(33:54):
that's really interesting as seeing energy drinks as a root
cause perhaps or at least it can tributing cause to
post traumatic stress. You're a bit of a caffeine guy.
I'm a fiend you. You used to drink the energy drinks,
but I don't see you with them anymore. I do
not purchase energy energy drinks anymore. If I absolutely can

(34:15):
stay away from them. If I'm on a long drive,
like let's see, I'm driving to go see the in
laws or something, it's like twelve hours away, I will
I'll down several. Man, they tweaked me out so bad,
like it's not pleasant at all, Like I just I
can't imagine, you know, just throwing those back for any
kind of functional purpose. But you know, I guess if

(34:36):
you're trying to stay away for sent period of time
or heighten your you know, acuity in a battle situation.
I guess that's one of the things he discusses in
this paper of whenever there was what is it, you
had to be a rifleman or you're you know, a
guardsman at the time, a guards person, you would supplement

(34:57):
with one of these just to make it happen. Even
if it was just an hour at a time where
you had to be on guard and then an hour
off and an hour back on it. You would just
take it to get you that edge, that fighting edge
is what they call it um and specifically they are
rip it r I p I T energy drinks. I
had not heard of these. You said that you see
them at like the dollar store. You can find them
now all over the place. I've seen him at gas stations.

(35:19):
I've seen at the dollar store. And uh what what
this former staff sergeant was saying is that they were
distributed out to the troops. You could get them. I
don't know if they called it mess hall anymore, but
you could get them wherever food was supplied to these troops,
and people would just take several of them on their way,
and they'd pack up as many as they could and

(35:40):
actually adding again, it doesn't seem like that significant of
a weight, but the like ten ounces or so that
a ripping energy drink. Ways you add it to your
one pound pack that you have to carry for miles
and miles in the desert. Uh, it really adds up.
But these these guys would just do it anyway because
the supplement helped that much. Fat sinating. Thank you so

(36:00):
much for sending that paper in. Uh, former staft staff
sergeant as we were calling you, Um, that was really
great and illuminating. Speaking of people writing in about our
drugs in the military episode, we have another one from
a former naval officer. Yeah, this one comes from name redacted. UM,

(36:21):
high conspiracy comrades. How do you like that? Name? Like it?
It goes well with our Russian hacker talk. I'm responding
to your request for military drugging. That's an interesting way
to put it. Uh, this may not fit because it's
mostly about what's really in the stuff everyone gets day
one MM. Ever, since that one girl submitted a voice memo,

(36:42):
I've wanted to do that because I speak much better
than I write. I hope you enjoyed the message. Ah,
he sent a voice memo to us. Very cool. Well
here is name redacted voice memo. Hey, good afternoon or
whenever you get this, Ben, Matt and Nol. You had
app to see if there was any stories that you
had about being drugged in the military. Back in two

(37:05):
thousand nine, I was an Officer Candidates school candidates in
the Navy O c f S class up in Newport,
Rhode Islands. I don't have any confirmed effects on any
of the drugs that they gave us when we got there. Um.
One of the things that they do for all of
the candidates and any anybody that's in any sort of
boot camp is you you get a pretty large battery

(37:27):
of immunizations. I mean, you figure appetitis eight. You know,
anything that they that they deemed the necessary for that
situation is given to you. And you know, you're in
a situation where you're you're you're you're working really hard
to get to this program and you're kind of out

(37:49):
of it your days. They didn't do it until about
the third, you know, the second or third week, which
I thought was kind of weird because why would they
do that? And you know, there was a moment where
I was sitting there and I I had my my
sleeve was up and I was just thinking, you know,
I'm signing a piece of paper that this thing says hepatitis,
But I don't know what they're putting in my arm.

(38:09):
You know, it's just a syringe with you know, clear
fluid that they're putting in me. And that's it. And
you know, there was a couple of times when I
did get some symptoms because you know, all immunizations are
or a live virus. I just thought that was kind
of crazy. And I can't attribute it to this on
a precent This is nowhere near scientific. But I will

(38:30):
say this is after four years of college where I
was very very confident in my in my abilities, in
my intel, in my in my intellect to do well, um,
and ever since then, including the time that I was there,
there was a lot of self doubt, um that I
had about myself. But I it was almost like there
was a switch. There was a weird part of me

(38:52):
that I wasn't that it died, but definitely was a
lot more. It was a lot more conscious of authority
and a lot more aware that people were closely looking
at my performance of things, and I've almost felt like
the sort of paranoia after that fact. So I think
I've definite to do with it. But I was always

(39:14):
kind of weirded out by the fact that there was
no There was no bottle that I saw. I just
was given drugs in a high stress environment that I
and if I had said no, they would have set
me home, and that there It's just a weird situation
to put people in. I love the podcast I've I've
been listening to UM How Stuff Works podcasts for about

(39:35):
six years, but I only started listening to you guys.
I've actually ripped through all of your audio podcasts in
the last month, UM because that's like at a crazy
long commute, and I've been really enjoying them. I hope
you can either glean information from this or you know,
if you like to play clips of it from the show,
that be awesome. Anyway, thanks for the hard work, and uh,
thanks a lot, oh man, it's hard to express how

(39:57):
appreciative we are. That's one would take the time to
send in one of these like not let alone record
it or no let alone listen to our show and
then want to respond enough to stop their car and
record a voice memo and send it to us. That's
that's super cool. Come on, Matt, we're great. I know,
well we're look I think we're we're pretty darn good.

(40:19):
But well, I I appreciate it to no end that
people want to add their two cents in and and
really contribute to the show. It's it's wonderful. So there
is something very creepy about getting a huge round of
vaccinations because you're going out to a foreign country, um,

(40:40):
which you have to do anytime you visit a foreign country,
or you should at least you get vaccinations for whatever
local things exists in that area. But you know, giving
these huge rounds for maybe four months in a row
where you have to get a vaccination and it's on
for something like smallpox or some remote does easy you've

(41:00):
never heard of, and just you have to trust that
that's what it is and that's what you're getting. And
you know, that's one of those things. Anytime you get
a substance directly into your veins, I get a little worried.
I get a little freaked out, And especially if you
have to do it like if you're in a room,
you're at boot camp or something, or you're at officer
training camp. Uh, and you're just told, look, if you

(41:24):
don't take these vaccinations, then goodbye. You have to do it. Yeah,
I mean, even like as a parent, like you know,
obviously I have my child vaccinated, but they want to
do so many of them all at once. That created
element freaks me out, you know, where they just want
to like do ten or twelve of them, like all
in one go, and we had to spread out a

(41:44):
little bit more just that we you know, had the
option of doing that. It seemed like the right choice because,
like you said, I mean, these are powerful substances that
are being shot into your body or into the body
of a of a three year old or four year old,
you know, I mean it's intense. But yeah, thank you
so much for sharing your perspective on that. Yes, and
here's the great thing, uh, former naval officer. We actually

(42:08):
had a former combat medic right into us, and he
has a little bit of an explanation for some of this,
or at least he has he knows what it's like
to administer vaccinations. So let's read this one from Brock
I am a former combat medic and Operation Iraqi Freedom
veteran with over three hundred combat missions under my belt. Um,

(42:32):
and found your episode on military drug use very interesting,
Very glad that you did. Uh these days, I am
your normal run of the mills civilian with a day job,
but my experience with third Infantry Division involved a great
deal of drugs, medications both recreational and medicinal, and vaccinations.
I hate writing long emails, however, I'd love to chat
with you guys on the topic. And well, and then

(42:53):
there's a phone number here. Well, uh, if you want
to give him a ring, I do, but first a
quick word from our sponsor. Hello, Oh hi, uh Brock.

(43:15):
Oh yeah, that's me. Man. Hey, so you left us
your number. This is Matt and Nol By the way, yep,
this me No Ben. Ben couldn't make it. He's transmogrified
on the top of some mountain in Nevada right now
and playing the slots apparently. But he is here in spirit,
doesn't Yeah, then then yes he gets around. It's the
whole thing where it's my faull that's screwed up, the

(43:37):
ritual that we usually summon him in whatever incantations. Shman
can anyway I did. I thought I had it correct. Man,
there was one rune. He's a stickler for the runes. Um.
But you know, we're really glad we caught you because
we got quite a bunch of email about our drugs
in the military episode, and you wrote in saying that
you have had some experience as a medic uh in Iraq,

(44:00):
and we just kind of wanted to hear a little
bit about, you know, your perspective on this. One thing
that we kept seeing was um, these like energy drinks
being a huge thing. I just wanted to see what
here perspective was on that. To start off with, oh,
RiPP its that's exactly there was. There was there was
a time when I had a problem with rippets um.

(44:21):
That's that's a joke. I don't I don't know if
it's possible to have a problem with energy drinks. Maybe
it is, but yeah, we used to get flats of
rippets um and it's kind of like this real cheap um,
nasty knockoff energy drink um that for some reason they
even took the effort to make a sugar free version
of I never understood that, but um, they just come

(44:43):
in by the caseload. Uh Um. I was deployed um
from two thousand seven, uh late to late two thousand
seven on the early two thousand nine, and uh they
just ripples were everywhere. It was kind of your go
to You're working so the hours and you're constantly vigilant,
so your brain gets tired and your body is exhausted.

(45:06):
It's like, hey, let's give these guys energy drinks. It
seems safer than a lot of the other drugs that
were administered to soldiers back in the day like World
War two, are going back even further. Yeah, there they
certainly weren't pumplicus full of myth. Yeah, But that being said,
wasn't there like I mean, what was your experience with
you know, um more black market drug use and like

(45:28):
you know, underground stuff like I know adderall is a
big thing. And I don't imagine that it was necessarily
sanctioned by your superiors, but I know that stuff gets around.
What was what was that like that overseas UM as
far as illegal um and black market stuff where you're
not allowed to drink um on deployment of course, you know,
can't smoke marijuana at all in the U s army UM.

(45:53):
And you can't do any sort of prescription drug that
you do not have a prescription for. Uh. The things
that I saw and I was, I was a combat
medic with an infantry portoon, so I was really only
around you know, forty fifty dudes, UM very consistently. UM.
I saw a lot of guys you have to use
an adderall, and typically that would that would be one

(46:14):
of those things they'd write home to a buddy, hey man,
can give you some matter all. That was also over here,
you know, and they would take that almost as like
a almost as like just pounding and rip it um
if they were really tired. You know, if you're running,
you know, three missions a day, it just it just
wears you down. UM. I didn't really see those problems
with uh uppers like adderall or UH any form of

(46:38):
I guess speed whatever you wanna call it. UM. State side,
I did see uh some fruit, like a pretty good
amount of cocaine use um, and of course a lot
of alcohol and a little bit of marijuana here and there.
UM were the kind of the flavors of the day. Overseas,
we used to just make hoops, you know, get some

(47:01):
really nasty fruit juice from the show hall and then
get ahold of some you know wine e st off
of the Internet, and then tossing a water bottle and
burry it for three weeks and we'll talk about a
headache though, I can imagine. Yeah, the thing that really
fascinates me about all this is the idea of like,
you know, supplementing yourself with these with these drugs and

(47:22):
having to keep your mind alert, you know, much more
than is humanly possible on your own. I mean, isn't
there like a burnout factor? They're like, if you're doing
this and taking these drugs, don't you eventually kind of
hit a wall? Oh yeah, oh yeah, and it's a
pretty serious wall. But luckily, I mean luckily enough, like
at least our mission uh schedule, in our mission pace, um,

(47:45):
we were about every i'd say every seventy two hours.
We got a good twelve hours where you were just
left alone. Um so and then and even then, if
you're even if you're pulling q r F dut um,
you're you've got you got time to relax unless you
get called up what r D Oh, I'm sorry, that's
a quick reactionary force. That was basically, uh uh, they

(48:08):
set aside a platoon or maybe two platoons, a company
if it's you know, a really really large area of operations. Um.
But what it is is they'll just basically put these
guys aside and keep them a hund percent and ready
to roll. Like you're just you're just ready to go.
You don't need a mission brief, you just need a destination.
Get there as fast as possible, all the trucks in line,

(48:30):
you know, everything ready to go in case either there
there's contact, whether it's an I E. D. And who
had the unit they got hit and needs support or
uh if you know, someone takes contact and they need
you know, they need backup, and you're calling QRF, And
that's what QRF is. It's just quick reactionary force. But
most of the time you're on q r F, you're

(48:51):
either playing access and allies or taking an app One
last thing, man, I know, you gotta go, Brock. We
don't want to keep you for too long. But we
had another listener right in about vaccinations that he got
while he was an officer training school, and he you know,
we we thought that since you were a former combat medic,
I know, it's completely different branches of the military. But

(49:14):
just give a little insight about what it was like
administering these vaccinations to other truths and and how people react,
like what are the people's concerns and things like that. Um, well,
people have the obvious concerns. Um. The thing about being
a soldiers you don't really have the option to say
no unless you're being told to do something that is

(49:35):
indirect contradiction to the law. Um. But with vaccinations, it's
kind of a thing. It's like, sorry, just came down,
you gotta take it. Fortunately for me, UM, and I
know a lot how do people do this? It's kind
of I wouldn't say a tradition in thatt com but
I would definitely say it it goes goes down a lot. Um.

(49:57):
But I was very, very wary and concerned about out,
uh just putting any sort of random uh drug into
my body, not knowing what it was, not hearing about
the clinical trials, not learning how the drug works, I mean,
and so I would just I would just fabricate it
in my medical records because I had access to my
medical records. I had access to my platoons medical records,

(50:19):
and uh through a software called med pro is kind
of the U. S. Army. That's basically how they track
everyone's medical records. And if you don't want to take
an immunization and you have access to it, it's just
as easy to go in there and say, yeah, I
took it and you never took it. Um. The ones
that that my Joe's really really worried about were things
like the anthrax UH vaccination and probably in a smallpox

(50:43):
really bothered guys, But I think that's just kind of
the small pox vaccination the way it works is a
little bit gruesome. You know, you get a little pussy
scab and it uses and it's real gross. So I
think there was there was that concern for them, but
most of the time it was like, wait, what are
you giving me? Why do I have to get this?
Like you just give me this shot? Um that kind
of thing. But they don't have the option to say no.

(51:05):
I mean it's it's a lawful order, you gotta do it. Yeah,
that seems to be the biggest issue, like you're getting
this too bad and if you don't have access to
those medical records, then you better make friends or there
was no there was some of those some of these vaccinations.
There was no way I was letting them put it
in my body. No way. Well man, first of all,

(51:25):
thank you so much for your service and you know,
being out there and taking care of those folks and
it's a fantastic thing. Really glad to be able to
talk to you and be thank you so much for
talking with us and giving us a little inside scoop
and some of this stuff. Of course, guys, um really
love the podcast. Keep up the good work. I think
I'm just excited about talking to you guys as I
am as being called Brock nice. Look at you. It's

(51:47):
a pretty solid alias. So let's switch gears and look
at a couple more of these. We're going to James,
who says, I was wondering why you don't do more
shows during the week. Is it only Fridays. Let's address
that really fast. We are only doing one show a
week for the foreseeable future. But you know it is
our desire to up that. It's just a matter of resources.

(52:10):
And you know, we all wear a lot of hats
here in our office. Uh you know Fedora's top hats.
I've got one of those stove pipe Uh. You know
Fagin from Oliver hats that I wear and got the
fingerless gloves to go along with it, by an Emperor's
new hat and not see it, got a Kaiser hat
with a spike on it. But yeah, I mean, if

(52:31):
we can get some other people to maybe wear some
of those hats for us so we don't have to
wear them all at the same time, it's very unwieldy.
We could maybe start to do in two a week. Well,
you know, would you guys be into that? Yeah, if
you're interested, we certainly are. So please let us know.
You can find us on Twitter and Facebook and blah
blah blah. We'll get it that later. But you know,
you can also write us an email. Let's get back

(52:53):
to James. He says, I wanted to ask if you've
heard of the alleged aliens stuff into your rock. There
is a big conspiracy about perhaps that's why America went
there in the first place. I don't know if you've
already done a show on this or not. Thanks keep
up the good work. Well, James, I gotta tell you, buddy,
I did not know there was alien stuff in Iraq,
and I'm going to look that up and uh, I

(53:15):
will get back to you that's a lot in Iraq
and being that somewhat desert, Like, okay, that's almost well.
I mean, think about the cradle of civilization where humanity
got its start. Perhaps there was early influence with extraterrestrial species,
ancient aliens. Maybe there's that whole History Channel show. I mean,

(53:39):
come on, there's also a show on Vice where Action
Bronson the rapper as former former chef, where him and
his buddies just smoked a bunch of weed in front
of a green screen and watch Ancient Aliens. No, it's
like Ancient Aliens commentary with a rapper slash. Melissa as
is on one and that she was getting getting little tipsy.

(54:02):
Oh my gosh. It's a Brave New World. It sounds
like they should combine that with Snoop Dogg's show that
he has where he just watches internet clips. You know,
he's got a new show with Martha Stewart. Did you
know that he does. He does their buddies. It's like
a like a kind of a d I y craft
show needs they have guests and they do crafts together.

(54:27):
Like I said, Brave New World, but we're living in
the future American dream um now. But speaking of aliens,
an article popped up this morning on the Huffington's Post.
The articles called groundbreaking UFO video just released by Chilean
Navy UM, and it's a pretty in depth article, UH,

(54:48):
with an accompanying video clip showing infrared photography of what
appears to be these kind of two conjoined spheres that
are kind of joined by uh, like almost like a
tube in the middle, and it's definitely moving and they

(55:08):
look like the clouds and at some point, I think
it even ejects some material. Yeah, it ejects at to
two points materials from the back that are hot, at
least compared to the aircraft itself. Because it's, like you said,
it's infrared. It's an infrared camera that's looking at this,
So all the hot stuff is black or darker. And
then as it gets warmer or excuse me, as it

(55:29):
gets colder, it gets lighter. As you're watching this video clip,
if you want to watch it, UM, it's fascinating. It
looks like the afterburners of let's I don't know, and
F fourteen F fifteen, maybe these large hots uh spheres
if you will, that are going like you're looking at
the back side of a military plane, but it doesn't

(55:50):
seem to be what it is because according to the
Chilean Navy that nobody could see it on radar. Even
the helicopter that was filming the whole thing couldn't see
whatever aircraft this was on radar. They couldn't make contact
with the thing. It appeared to be had maneuvering abilities,
so it wasn't just going in a straight line or anything.

(56:10):
And again it like you said, it ejected twice some material. Yeah,
when you look at it on the on the infrared um,
it gets darker. It's like darker the farther back it gets,
which I think isn't that weird. I would think it
would be hotter's close to to the aircraft, especially if
it's in from engine, like some kind of engine, some

(56:31):
sort of heat source or something like that. But it's
interesting because like as it goes a pretty decent distance,
it like the color lightens um in the direction of
the aircraft, so it's actually hotter the farther away, which
I thought was a little strange. And it's obviously not
a heavy substance or a substance that it's aerosolized, right,
because it just float. It doesn't fall, like if you're
rejecting wastewater or something, it would just fall. Maybe it's

(56:54):
a camp trail. Perhaps that's exactly what it is. Just
for a little more context. Has happened in November of
November when it was actually filmed, and there were experts
looking at this for quite a while, over two years,
and they finally made it public. Fascinating. One last thing,

(57:14):
this does come from a Huffington Post article. And as
we know when we learned from our fake news, you've
gotta be really careful when you're reading anything that's uh
based on what is the user created kind of thing
where you can submit anything like medium dot com. Just
you just really have to be careful, make sure you
check the sources. And this article does a pretty good

(57:36):
job of looking at several different sources. Although I'm not
seeing any official links two the Chilean story, at least
I'm not seeing it immediately as I'm scrolling through the article.
I don't want to talk bad about it before I
get there. I don't see any hyperlinks out to the
Chilean government's response. I see quotes, let's keep ch let's

(57:59):
keep an eye on it. No, no, no, no, I
see some links. Hold on, Oh no, never mind, let's
just just a link to their actual official website, but
not not to a to a statement or anything like that. Um,
there's a link to the actual webcam. I think it's
interesting to follow. Um it just came up today. And
y'all out there, if you get a chance to check

(58:21):
it out and let us know what you think, and
let's keep an eye on. And absolutely, did I ever
tell you about the the UFO that I saw? Yeah?
I think I maybe did. I was. I was on
touring with a band, uh years ago, and we were
driving through, um, the Midwest, and we were in Illinois.
I remember being surrounded by corn fields. That is a thing.
There's okay, this sounds familiar everywhere. And I saw this.
I had it. Sounds like total b s when I

(58:44):
say this, but I had it on video. Um, but
I lost the tape. I had a bunch of was
back in the day of little DV tapes. And anyway,
it looked kind of like a kite, but the way
it was moving and the you know, altitude of it
could not have possibly been. And when I say it
look like I guess that's you know, sort of pyramid
shaped almost um and it just it had a very other,

(59:05):
unearthly kind of movement to it, like the physics of
it was very strange. And didn't feel like he was
getting pushed around by the air. No, no, and and
it was very very odd thing to have seen. And uh,
I really wish I had that tape still, I wish
I experienced that with you. Dang, Why didn't we meet earlier?

(59:25):
There's still time, there's more UFOs to be seen. Oh, excellent, excellent.
That is good to know. Our next message comes from Sean.
Sean says, I'm currently working my way through your backlog.
I don't think I've come across anything about Dr Seby,
the self appointed expert on herbology, medicine and I guess

(59:46):
also a dietician who claimed to have found the cure
for AIDS, WOW, cancer and an assortment of other illnesses.
It says he quote mysteriously unquote died while in Honduras
from Onya when he was a d two. Well, he
was eighty two and he got pneumonia. Not throwing salt
on that, but uh, you know, Okay and his followers

(01:00:10):
believe it was an assassination because his findings would bring
down Big Pharma. There's also claims that Magic Johnson uses
Dr Seby's methods and has cured himself. Oh all right, huh.
I thought this would be a great subject for you guys.
If you haven't touched on it yet, that's fascinating, Sean.
I don't know anything about Dr Seby, but I guarantee
you I am looking that up right now. Nor do

(01:00:32):
you have anything on Dr Seby. I don't know about
no Dr Sebby. All right, Well, it's happening right after
we finished this episode, sir, speaking of which I think
we have a couple left we want to get to
before we scoot on out of here into the impending
snow mcgeddon and then in Atlanta where we are is
is about to experience. I'm kind of looking forward to it, man,

(01:00:53):
But you'm already feeling like it's happening around us. I
was looking at radar earlier and watching the cloud coverage
come through and the rain the mix it was turning
purple bluish purple on the radar from weather dot Com,
and that that always freaks me out. I'm looking forward
to a couple of days. Hold up with my fallout.
Uh God, forbid. We lose power, I will be enraged.

(01:01:15):
You can get a battery backup or maybe a generator
or something. Yeah, I have a battery backup, but those
don't last very long. Get a generator, dude, just isn't diesel.
I'm there's a generator. Some milk and some bread, that's right,
and some eggs now, yeah, okay, eggs are good, good eggs.
Already got eggs. Okay, you're good to go. Then let's
knock these out. And whiskey. I got whiskey, buddy, Oh,

(01:01:37):
I got whiskey. Whiskey for days. Um, so we've got
one here from Jimmy Kay. He would very much like
it if we could dedicate an episode two Valiant thor Um.
I saw that and thought it was some sort of
uh offshoot of the superhero comic thor Uh. Not the

(01:01:57):
case at all. He finds him intriguing, as do why,
but there's not much info out there on him. See
what you can do is work your magic for me,
your biggest fan from Australia. Um, you know a little
bit about this Valiant thor fellow, don't you. Mat We've
spoken about him on this show before mentioned here there
there's this guy who wrote a book named Dr Frank E.

(01:02:19):
Strange Is. The book is titled Stranger at the Pentagon,
and that appears to be where most of the stories
about Valiant Thor come from. And it's this guy who
perhaps was an extraterrestrial who was hanging out with the
upper echelons of the United States government, either helping them
out with technology, helping them out in other ways, like

(01:02:41):
an insider essentially from some extraterrestrial race. Perhaps fascinating story.
If you want to learn about it, immediately head on
over to the website of those conspiracy guys. They make
a show about conspiracies, obviously, and they're fantastic and hilarious,
and they've got a little right up on it that
you can check out if you want to get some

(01:03:02):
more sources and then just dig deep into this thing
and then perhaps in the future we will also cover
it valiantly. Yes, so we got one here from Helen. Hey, guys,
I just wanted to say you're awesome. Helen. You're awesome
for saying we're awesome. I have never been much into conspiracy,
but I have enjoyed learning from you all. I respect

(01:03:24):
very deeply that you start with the facts and then
about your own opinions. Um. And the sign of a
great intellectual is that he can he or she can
present facts and opinions as separate. I have been so
inspired by your work and look forward to every episode.
And live in Athens, Athens, Georgia, Rathens, Greece. I don't
know I live in Athens. I don't know if you

(01:03:44):
travel up that way much. Oh, she's gotta be it's Georgia. Yeah,
I I used to live there as well. A home
of go dogs. That's a right, Yeah, yeah, you g um.
I hope you guys have a free place to stay
anytime you want to come crash. And then she hit
us with her Twitter handle. I've been wanting to request
a shout out forever since you first started them. Yes,

(01:04:04):
I've been listening forever. That's awesome, but wanted to have
a show idea to include, and she has two for us.
One hollow Moon spaceship. I just heard this theory on
the History Channel, The idea that the Moon didn't get
there in the ways that we've projected throughout the years,
all the various models of how the Moon formed with

(01:04:26):
collisions with different planets, but in fact, various Jesus collided,
But in fact it is a spaceship or some some
type of made object that is in fact hollow, and
it was put there on purpose to create the tide
the title flow, put there on purpose to uh and

(01:04:48):
exactly where it is, like its locations so that the
eclipses match up perfectly and all this stuff. Um, it
was there to make the Earth livable as a planet.
Fascinating ideas where I'm not sure about the validity. I'm well,
I'm unless say, I'm not certain about the validity of them,
but in this world. But it's fascinating and we should

(01:05:12):
look into this. Number two idea from Helen GMOs great one.
Theoretically modified organisms. Yeah, there have been all sorts of
experiments proving they are terrible for you. Why are they
still around? What's the deal? I have a book on
the subject, Altered Jeans, Twisted Truths. I'd love for y'all
to have it. I'd drop it by the studio if

(01:05:32):
you say you wanted it, that's very kind. Well, you
can certainly shoot it to us in the mail, or
just good, you know, make us some photo copies, keep
your book. Either way. Yeah, we'll take it. It sounds
like a great topic. And we have the names. Yeah,
we have the title. We can look into it as well.
And also maybe we'll see you in Athens. Every once
in a while we head up that way. I should
do a hang out. Maybe maybe we get some other

(01:05:55):
folks in Athens. Let's go to the Georgia Theater. Yeah,
rent the thing out. Georgia Theater is cool. It's you know,
been renovated in the last handful of years. It's pretty
gorgeous now it's got it burned and yeah, I haven't
been there since. It took a lot of the reclaimed
wood and made the new bars and you know, a
lot of the coutrement, as the Winnebago man would say.
And it's a very very cool place. Great, it sounds

(01:06:15):
some great place to see a show. Highly recommended. Um,
I think we got one left man for one more
and then we're gonna before we venture out into the
snowy armageddon that lays before us. Yeah, we have to escape, dude,
I have to go north on the highway. Oh boy,
poor devil. All right, let's find out what happens. Last
one comes from Eric. Eric says several years ago there

(01:06:38):
was a Pentagon official found dumped in a landfill. I
remember this. I remember this, Uh John P. Wheeler, the
third was his name. Actually, his body was spotted as
it was dumped. This happened in Delaware. I remember seeing
it on the news as my wife and I were
eating lunch. Let's see, the story died off pretty quickly,
but I recall there being video evidence of him in
a parking garage. It was a security camera and this

(01:07:02):
was the last evidence of this person ever being seen.
The parking attendant at the booth. Remember that the man
was talking about someone being after him. He had one
shoe on and one in his hand, and he was
speaking frantically. The next day or maybe two days later,
there are a lot of blackbirds that began falling from
the sky here in Arkansas. The following day. After that,

(01:07:23):
there were also very a very large amount of drum
fish which washed up dead. Now, from what I've read,
this official had caught wind of an experiment that was
to take place with releasing chemical agents over the center
of the US, hence Arkansas and Missouri. The experiment was
so alarming that this official was threatening to go public

(01:07:43):
with knowledge about it, and maybe this is why he
was killed. I would love to see what evidence you
guys can come up with in regards to this story.
Perhaps it goes hand in hand with the chem Trails episode. Oh, Eric,
you've piqued my interests. I remember very well the story
of John P. Wheeler, and I actually put it down
in this uh set of bookmarked links that I've collected

(01:08:04):
over the years where something happens and then as the
you know, the week of stories unfolds, you just put
it away and you don't even remember that this thing happened. Um,
but it's been a while since I've even looked at it,
and I don't know what else has come from it.
John P. Wheeler The third I believe is this guy's name.

(01:08:25):
I'll tell you what, Eric, I'm going to look into
this personally. Noel, you're gonna help me out, Okay, Well, Ben,
Ben's got my back. As soon as soon as he
rematerializes back in the studio, we're gonna look into Mr Wheeler.
In the meantime, I am going to make a super
cut of every time you say the word fascinating in
this episode. God, did I say it a thousand times?

(01:08:47):
I'm kidding. We had a lot of fascinating stories. I
overuse words. We all do. We all have our our
crutch words. It's it's a it's the new year. I
don't want to say interesting because I get I I've
been tating is an escalation of interesting, you know, like
fascinating is like the next level. It's okay, So just

(01:09:07):
replace in your minds all the times I said fascinating,
or at least, let's say one third, if not two
thirds of the time, with other words that are better,
that are in your head. Maybe we can use our
new dynamic ad insertion system too. Every time you say
the word fascinating, it plays an AD. I hope not.
Please don't do that. By the way, we hope you're

(01:09:28):
enjoying your targeted ads. Yeah it's hey, I think it's
it's kind of cool and the technology is actually really
really interesting. Um, but you know, we gotta pay the bills,
that's right. Luckily, we we do have a handful of
good sponsors, including our buddies that Illumination Global Nlimited, who
hopefully are going to get in on the game again

(01:09:48):
real soon. Um, you know that you're not gonna have
to always hear you know, furniture store ads. So a
huge thanks to Stony, Phil, Benjamin s U, Joshua, let's
see the former staff sergeant, the former naval officer Brock.
Big thanks to Brock. Yes we've got James, Sean, Jimmy, Kay, Helen, Eric, huge,

(01:10:13):
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