An anonymous healthcare professional outlines the ways in which your own medical info may be used against you. S emails to follow up on vaccine questions and alien pregnancies. A caller asks for more information about the bizarre case of Georgia's Corpsewood Manor. All this and more in this week's listener mail.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. It is one of our
collective favorite times of the weak. Fellow conspiracy realist, we
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hope you like this kind of day as much as
we do. This is when we get to talk directly
with you, or sort of we share your stories with
your fellow listeners, and we've got some doozies for you
here to day. We're going to talk about some murders
in a manner m A N O R. Well, we'll
talk about murders in a manner, in a manner of
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speaking yes and uh. And we'll also talk about the
dangers of what is actually happening to your medical information.
That's going to be a scary one. We're gonna end
on that so that everybody feels rightly weirded out. But
I think we're gonna start We're talking about this off air.
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I think we're going to start with some really interesting
comments about vaccines and allegations of alien pregnancy, which we
mentioned last week. I believe there is someone who may
have an alien child. Yes, that'll be wanting to keep
an eye on for sure. And this one comes from
S and I believe. I asked his responding to a
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question that I posed. I can't remember if it was
on a news episode or a listener mail, but I said, like,
why are people freaking out about the vaccine? About the
COVID nineteen vaccine? And the email starts from ask why
are people freaked up by the vaccine? For me, I'm sorry,
I said, I I imparted tone to that it was
just a question. It was a heading for me. It's
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that it's an m RNA vaccine and it's the first
huge use of that technology on human subjects. The fact
that they are pushing it for every living human being
at once is a little concerning as well. I would
have started with those most in danger of adverse outcomes
of the virus if there truly is something not quite
right with the vaccines. Now it's been distributed so widely
that it will be a huge problem. So I say
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we start with that real quickly. And you know it's true. UM,
this is a in terms of like medical science and
the history of medical developments and UH and breakthroughs. M
RNA vaccines are relatively new, UM, if I'm not mistaken.
It was back in the late eighties UM nineteen seven
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to be precise, that a scientist researching a measles vaccine
UM came across the idea of using m RNA as
a way to essentially instruct the human body, the cells
in the human body to react to a certain um
invasive organism virus. It was Robert Malone. UM did an
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experiment where he mixed strands of messenger RNA or m
RNA with little bits of fat, and he created this
kind of cosmic gumbo. UM. Human cells that were bathed
in this genetic material. UM absorbed that m RNA and
began to produce proteins from it. And it is the
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proteins that essentially instruct your body how to react. So
it's different than a traditional vaccine, which uses a small
piece of live virus to cause your body to react,
fight it off, and then it like knows how to
do that moving forward. Did I about get that right? Guys?
I'm obviously not a geneticist, nor am I any kind
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of medical professional whatsoever, but I think that's a decent
description for the difference between the two at the very least. Yeah,
I'm neither of those things either, But uh, I agree
if you found some resources. I did find some resources,
and I will, in fact go to the c d
C politics aside um we can at the very least. Uh,
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Except I hope that the CDC is looking at the
most up to date studies and science, uh, for what
they're posting on their website at the least, So I'm
gonna go from what they have to say. It says
to trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weekend
or any activated germ into our bodies, not mRNA vaccines. Instead,
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m RNA vaccines use m rna created in a laboratory
to teach ourselves how to make a protein or even
just a piece of a protein that triggers an immune
response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies,
is what protects us from getting infected. If the real
virus there's our bodies. And the reason this is a
big deal is because it does not require any piece
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of the virus itself, which makes it stunningly effective to
quickly develop a vaccine for a new virus such as
COVID nineteen. That is the event that triggered the kind
of breakthrough that they needed in order to like really
push this forward. UM. So what they do is they
take a piece of protein from the virus and I
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think it's essentially like something that they can produce artificially
without um, a piece of the virus itself, uh, using
computers or whatever to to analyze it, and they can
generate this thing. It's called a spike protein. UM. It's
the thing if you look at pictures I guess of
a virus, those like spiky bits that are on the
top of it. That is, uh, the part on the
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surface of the virus that causes COVID nineteen. And after
that protein piece is made, ourselves break down the m rna.
UH it never actually enters the nucleus of our cells,
according to the research that's out there now. And then
next our cells display the spike protein piece on their surface.
Our immune system recognizes that the protein doesn't belong there,
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and that triggers our immune system to produce antibodies and
activate other immune cells to fight off what it thinks
is an infection. Um. So there you go. Makes sense
that this medical technique or breakthrough didn't really have a
reason to be rolled out this quickly and this widely,
But because of the fact that they didn't have to
work with live viruses is literally what caused this to
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be able to be rolled out so quickly. Um. It
has to be kept really really cold, as you know,
and you can hear a good bit of this stuff
in our multipart episode on COVID nineteen from like the
early days, you know, when it was first starting to
be a thing. I think we did an episode about it,
like or a news episode maybe leading up to when
it was really a thing, and then we did a
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multi part series on it. And we've talked about it many, many,
many times. Um. But it is true that this is
the largest, you know, roll out of a vaccine with
a understandably shortened clinical trial period. I believe now enough
time has passed that the CDC and the um f
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d A is saying it has met all of the
standards for a traditional clinical trial, but they certainly did
have to kind of do something early on in order
to meet the need, meet the demand, um and honestly
the public safety need for having this vaccine available. But
I don't know, guys, like, do you think enough researches
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out there to know that this isn't going to have
some long term down the road negative impact um Or
is it really just about optics? Isn't just about people
that are like sketchy and maybe a little distrustful about
being sold or having their arm twisted or jabbed. Uh,
you know for something that maybe had doesn't have a
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long enough runway of you know, observable reactions. Yeah. Yeah,
Well I would say, you know, first, there are legitimate
conditions that would make it difficult for some people to
have vaccines. That's true, that's not conspiratorial. The vast majority
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of people can take an mr NA vaccine. But I
think I think we're looking at two big or three
big factors here. First, this is the long historical bill
of inequality and terrible experiments throughout history coming do Tuskegee
was real, It happens. And then of course people don't
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don't forget that kind of stuff. And then secondly there
is there was a concerted effort again by foreign powers,
which I know it sounds like a broken record to
say that to encourage divisive like device of scare tactics
about this stuff in an already very scary time. And
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then third, which people talked about more when they're talking
about how these vaccines got developed, is that they were
not developed under ordinary circumstances. True, but one of the
most extraordinary part about their circumstances surrounding their development is
the way that governments around the world pulled out every
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stop to accelerate testing processes, following regulations, all this stuff
they did a speed run is what are the ways
to put it? And that doesn't necessarily make it unsafe.
It just means that it was prioritized. And as weird
as it sounds, as ineffective as so many governments are,
it's so many things. And I say this as a
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guy who just got done complaining about his taxes off
air before we recorded uh as as inept as governments
can seem, and as slow as they can seem on
a normal day, when they focus and prioritize something, they
can move mountains quite quickly. As a matter of fact,
one of the big problems that most Americans have with
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the American government is that most of us just think
the government's moving the wrong mountains. Honestly, we just can't
agree on which one should be moved. Like, the Emergency
Use Authorization provided much more safety data. It's more than
any other any other vaccine data they've had, like at
this point, Like, look, a lot of times conspiracies on
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the part of government or either by small factions of
a government hoping other factions don't catch them, or it's incompetence. Frankly,
it's incompetence to trying to cover up that incompetence. That's
what leads to them getting caught. Um, I know that
there are a lot of reasons people would be concerned
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about this, Like here's something I didn't ever hear about
in now everybody on earth has to take it. That's spooky,
It's understandably spooky. But if you're talking to some one
who is um very much against the vaccine, and there
you know, maybe they don't have access to objective information
about it because of a Facebook algorithm or something. The
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best way to get to talk with them is to
actually listen to what they have to say and don't
come at him in a combative way. Those are good questions.
Think about it. I never heard about this in now
the whole world has to take it. Someone. You got
some splaining to do. What's going on? To quote? What's
his face from? I love Lucy? And the last thing, Um,
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the researcher that I mentioned, um Malone? Yeah, Robert Malone.
Um who kind of you know did all these landmark
studies or experiments in he spoke to the journal Nature,
and so that he feels like he's been written out
of history, um, because I mean a lot of advancements
and modifications to his research have been done, you know,
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in the years since he did these these initial experiments.
But at this point, Nature reports the global sales of
these COVID nineteen vaccines are expected the top fifty billion
dollars alone. So who gets credit for this kind of stuff?
And um we also you know, in the early rollout,
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remember there was a lot of talk about the proprietary
nature of these vaccines and opening it up so that
other undeveloped, underdeveloped, less developed nations could make it without
having to ship it to them, you know, through fisser,
BioNTech or whatever. So that's a thing too. So when
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it comes to medicine, it's like there's a lot of
money to be made, but something like this is like
viewed as a necessity. Um. And especially if it's like mandated,
then that money is just you know, that check is
is cashed for all eternity. So there's a lot of
interesting angles to look at. I'm in the same place here.
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I still think about how strange it is. I still
think about how nervous I am about the whole situation
and how it all went down. But then I have
to balance it out with the hope that I'm gonna
be okay, and I hope that my son's gonna be okay,
And you know, in the end, that's what matters to me,
full full disclosure. We're all vaxed and boosted, and our
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kids are vaxed and boosted, and I think we all
probably did at the moment we were able to do it.
So you're right, it is a balance, um, And I
guess I don't understand the like siding with the big
picture scary stuff, considering how much science has gone into
it and how long it's been around and how much
it's clearly helped slow down you know, what was a
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really really really horrible thing globally. So I still don't
fully especially and then you get into the politicization of
and that's a whole another angle, And that's literally just
rhetoric aimed at trying to take pot shots at that
politicians to you know, assign blame, etcetera. And to create
a scenario where you can be upset about something. So
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that part I just fully don't understand. But I do
understand the trepidation. But I also think the balancing Act
tends to favor the just do it and see what happens.
But I know everyone doesn't feel the same way about things,
So I totally get where you're coming from, s in
in thinking about the long term potential for not knowing
because we just don't know. Uh. And last thing, I
was going to read this because I thought it was
interesting as for the alien pregnancy, why do we assume
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that the aliens are actually aliens and might not possibly
breed with humans? What if they are humans but through
continued space travel or life on other planets have evolved
to a point where they don't quite look like us anymore.
But the d n A is still mostly human or
you know, time travel. There aliens from the future and
they don't look like us anymore, but the DNA is
still there anyway, Thanks as always for a great show.
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I just wanted to put that out in the world
because I think that's an interesting, uh scenario and it
sounds like the plot for a science fiction not bolder
film that hasn't yet been written. So the aliens look
like us. Oh no, wait, the aliens don't look like us,
but they've got our d n A. I'm a little confused.
I know, I know human, but it's but it's yeah,
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it's it's a common idea. It's like so interesting that
I'm I'm hesitant to uh to say too much about it,
but uh, you know, meet me at the local folks.
Let's that's definitely completely agree No, Matt, just to say
that they don't look like us, but that they evolved
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from humans over time and if like you know, multiverse
type theory or time travel is involved, and who knows
how much time has passed that allowed them to evolve,
but they maybe started off as some sort of human
alien hybrid, which is I believe what this is referring
to that human alien hybrid possibility story that we talked
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about in a recent episode. Indeed, so let's say a
quick break and then we'll be back with more listener mail.
All right, we are back, and we are going to
jump to a story that was told to us over
the phone lines by a person named Slayer. And this
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person told us about an event that occurred here in
Georgia that I was unaware of. In fact, an entire
story that I was unaware of that kind of happened
I don't know pretty close to us, guys, So why
don't I just go into it. It's about a place
called corpse would manor. So for this story, we are
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going to travel up to a place called Triton, Georgia.
This is in northwest Georgia. It's about ninety miles from Atlanta.
If you're driving there on on the roads. It's about
an hour drive south from Chattanooga, Tennessee. Just to give
you an idea of of just how northwest it is
up there are in the corner of Georgia, and it
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involves uh several people. The primary person, the first person
is doctor Charles Scudder. This person was a professor at
Loyola University there in Chicago, Illinois. This professor, doctor Scudder
studied pharmacology. That's going to come into play here in
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just a little bit. That's a you know, substances, drugs, medications,
often things that you put into your body to have
effects on the human body. This guy, Chuck Charles Scudder,
he had a partner named Joe Odom and Charles well,
let's just call him Dr Scudder. Doctor Scudder had an
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idea that he wanted to move away from the city.
He wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle
of city life, and he wanted to live out in
the woods and you know, specifically the North Georgia Woods.
And he and Joe again, his partner, they decided they
were going to build a house in the woods. Not
by a house, right, They decided they wanted to construct
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an entire house and not just a house, y'all. They
built a stinking castle in the woods. And you know, yeah,
pretty awesome. Right. I'm holding off because I I think
this is ringing a bell in my memory palace somewhere,
so I mean, go to hold off, but for right now, yeah,
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pretty awesome to build your own place depending on what
you do in it. But hey, come on, I don't
care what you do in your house. That's your domicile,
that's your place, it's private property. You do what you
want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. And
especially in this case, if you're building castle from scratch,
that's pretty exciting. So that's what that's what Dr Scudder
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and Joe did out there in the woods. Pretty dope.
They did call it corpse would manor which kind of
might make you raise an eyebrow or two three if
you got them what so like? Again, objectively cool. Here's
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the thing about Dr Scudder, Doctor Scudder was It just
depends on how you feel about this. We've talked about
on the show many times. He was a member of
the Church of Satan. Now, some of you hear that
and you go, oh no. Some of you hear that
and go, oh, yeah, I remember hearing about that that
fun place, Church of Satan, And then some of you
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hear that and go hail Satan, and then yeah, you
might associate them with some pretty progressive legislature petitions that
they've been putting through recently, especially as the religious right
attempts to exert more control and rural environments. Now, I
gotta say I finally, we can't say it on the
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air yet, but I remember where I found out about
this story. Okay, I'm gonna play the role of audience member.
I was just pulling up some photographs, so yes, I
remember this one. Okay, great, good, good, good. Well. I
I was unaware of this until Slayer called us and
told us about it. But um, I'm not gonna tell
you all the whole story today because this feels like
an entire episode and I want to go down those
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rabbit holes and really give it some time. But here
are some things that occurred. As a As an addition,
let's say, to this place corpse would man or their
castle in the woods, they built something called the Chicken House.
I believe that's what they called it. Uh. This that's
at least according to an article from All That is
Interesting that you can find and read right now if
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you want spoilers, but you know, maybe don't have spoilers.
We're gonna have an episode about this pretty soon. You
can find it on All that is Interesting dot com.
Was written by Gina de muro In. You can find
it if you want to see it. There. I'm gonna
give a quick quote from it. This chicken house that
they added on to their castle. Uh, had a couple
of stories, three stories to be exact. One was according
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to all that is interesting, was for poultry and food storage,
the I get story was for canned goods and the
couple's pornography collection, and the third was for their quote
pink room, also known as their pleasure chamber. Hmm okay,
so uh, just by hearing that, you might think, Wow,
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these these guys, they're really into each other. They had
a whole they built a whole thing in their house
just for pleasure. That's great. That's probably a healthy, happy
thing that's got That's awesome. Um, you were bearing the lead.
We got a whole floor dedicated to porn hard like
the eighties. I think this is the night at all VHS, Like,
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what do we think? That's a lot of real estate. Yea.
But also to wonder if the character in Carnival Scudder
is named after this guy you know what, rabbels rabbels
or for an episode, so we'll save it. I didn't
even give you guys at the time frame this is
late seventies, early eighties. Uh, so there would you know,
if you were into porn at the time, it would
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have to be the goal and live somewhere in the
chicken house. What it's analog. It's analog. And what better
place the story than the chicken house, Uh, between the
fultry and the pink room. Uh So, anyway, that's just
a detail. I don't I don't know all of the
details about the pink room. What I do know is
that the couple enjoyed company. They enjoyed having people over
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to share pleasures within the pink room, and this was
a pretty common occurrence. Uh. And the other thing is
that when doctor Scudder took off from his job there
at Loyola, you know he was his position was in pharmacology.
He absconded with a couple of things. Um. Some of
those things were skulls that he brought to corpse with manner,
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and he adorned the place with them. Another thing that
he took was twelve thousand hits of acid. Twelve thousand
he took them all at once, totally crap. Well, he
did not take this, Sorry I didn't. I'm job. He
did not administer that many doses. He brought them with him. Yes, yes, yes, exactly,
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thank you. Um, so you can imagine just what was
going on in that pink room, like all kinds of stuff,
probably just far out there are things that I can't
even fathom. But I'm telling this kind of like a fun,
silly story because it's really interesting characters, right, it's interesting
places injuring things that are happening. Unfortunately, it does have
a sad ending. There were a few people I'm not
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gonna end I'm not gonna spoil the whole thing or
end it all the way here, but there were a
few people who did go uh to some of those
parties who made the decision to go back to the
house the corpse with manner and attempt to rob the couple,
doctor Scudder and Joe, and unfortunately both men were killed.
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There were also two large massiff dogs that were on
the property that were also killed by these people who
went back to try and rob them, thinking that, you know,
there's a castle in the woods, there's got to be
all kinds of riches here, and unfortunately there was not,
and the people were apprehended. But again, I'm not gonna
give you all the details here because I think getting
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into those details is really what the story is going
to be about when we tell it in full, So
I don't know any any other thoughts, guys other than that.
I mean, I might just leave it there and then
we can explain it's a great primer for people to
start digging in and uh, and then tune back in
for the full episode. This is fascinating and I'm still
hung up on the whole floor for porn. It was
it like film canisters. It was VHS. I mean, that's
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still a total probably some good, real to real kind
of curating, hard to find stuff. Look, I have probably
really organized. I have like maybe three feelings a year,
and I'm excited to get to this story because I can't.
It's rare for me that happens where I've forgotten about
this until um until I saw heard this voicemail from Slayer,
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and I remember it was one of those late night
reading sessions where I'm just trying to find creepy stuff
and uh, I had totally forgotten about this. Uh. I
wonder if we can drive up there. You know what
I've already said too much. You're right, Matt, I know
I don't want to say too much. I would say
this if you're trying to drive up there and look
for it. You cannot get on the property legally anymore.
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For a time it was a legend and a whole
thing where you could go and travel there. Currently, don't
try and do it unless you're willing to break the law. Um,
we do not condone hopping fences are using bolt cutters
of any kindly say it's totally easier than you think. God, Okay,
So if you want to get the full story right now,
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I just don't want to take anything away from this author.
There is a book titled The Corpse would Manner Murders
in North Georgia. It's written by Amy Petula p E
t U l l A. You can look it up
and buy it right now if you want to if
you want to get the story from her. Otherwise, look
forward to the full episode that we're gonna be doing
on this very soon. And we have returned with one
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more piece of listener correspondence. Uh. This comes to us
from someone who wishes to remain anonymous. Here's what they said.
In part. They say, I am in a master's degree
program and which I'm required to take an ethics class, which,
as you might guess, is a treasure trove for potential conspiracies.
I just learned through a project about true Vita, which,
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according to my classmates, is a for profit organization founded
by fourteen healthcare networks that as a partnership with Google
and Microsoft that collects shares purchases de identified patient healthcare information.
This specific organization covers sixtent of the US population. Another
organization is HC a healthcare that is a company with
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similar functions as the first system of shared data between
a hundred and eighty two hospitals and twenty three hundred
plus sites of care in twenty states. Sites of care
would be like block in clinics, dock and box that
kind of stuff. So our faithful correspondent, fellow conspiracy realist
here says, this is a topic that has been torn
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because I see both sides. I work in a pharmaceutical company,
and though I remain skeptical, I've always been pleasantly surprised
at the ethics and best practices I've seen in the field.
Side note, I am part of vaccine manufacture, which is
the least lucrative of all pharmaceuticals because it's preventative medicine.
But I digress back to the healthcare thing. Uh, and
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then this is interesting. I'm just gonna laundry list through
this real quick, and then we should talk about it,
because I think there's an episode here. As someone who
has spent time in both research and data analysis, I
understand the value of having this de identified data and
what it could provide to researchers and scientists in academia, etcetera. However,
do I think Google and Microsoft have the same intentions
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as academic researchers or public health experts. Probably not, And
of course we agree with you, Anonymous. And so Anonymous
goes on to cite the importance of having this data
if it is truly anonymized as a public health resource,
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saying that you can you can correlate disasters with rates
of cancer, etcetera, different other sorts of medical conditions, and
you can only do that if you have data for comparison.
But then Anonymous says, on the flip side, I know
I don't need to explain the cons of your personal
data get it exploited to you all, but I will
share the points my fellow classmates pointed out. The hospitals
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are making money off this, are the patients consenting anywhere
to this and just don't know it. Do they need
to consent? Who really owns the data anyway? Who's deciding
who owns it? Are there conflicts of interest here with
sharing the data with non healthcare related entities? Off cough Google,
cough cough. What if this data is reidentified? Cybersecurity is
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not without its flaws. Who will have access to this
data that's being shared and agglomerated? What's the potential use
of patient data against individuals when it's provided with insurance
or care if it's leaked and reidentified by having at
time to deep dive into this as anonymous, but I'll
attach some relevant links uh and then does so. I'd
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love to hear your thoughts on this. However, my opinion,
whether anyone agrees with what's happening here or not, this
smells like a conspiracy between Google, Microsoft, and big healthcare.
So what to do? Surrender, fight back, go off the grid,
never get medical attention again. So, Anonymous, this is one
of those emails we want to hold up to the
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class because you included awesome links. It's clear that you
have you have thought through the advantages and the possible
terrible consequences of this practice. I want to point out
that there is one of the links that you shared
is an excellent article on the Verge by Nicole Wetzman
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called hospitals are selling treasure troves of medical data? What
could go wrong? Alfredyum entitle there, what me worry? And yeah,
there's a shame of something happened to that personal medical data? Right.
So there's the reason I point out the Verge article
in specific here is because there is a great interview
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with the chief science and Digital officer at the Duke
Clinical Research Institute, which does tons and tons of invaluable
medical work. Uh. This guy is named Eric Parasklis, and
Eric Prasklis is incredibly concerned about what's going to happen
to electronic medical records. We also know that a lot
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of very very wealthy institutions and individuals are pushing for
larger organization and agglomeration of this information, which again could
be amazing, could be a game changer, could save lives,
but could also um could also be easily misused for
very bad things. This guy has been worried about this
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since and he says the problem is the technology itself
is fine. This de identified data, this stuff where you know,
your social security number, your name, your favorite album from
the early two thousand's, whatever, All that stuff is scraped
off the record, and it's just like this person lives here,
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they got this whatever, like the metadata that the n
s A uses when they you know, monitor phone calls
or whatever. Rights even it's even less right, it's even
less attached to a place. It's like an area, right,
your actual location or anything. Right. It would be like
that data if the n s A was telling the
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truth about it, which they clearly were not for quite
a while there. But but yeah, how would it get reidentified?
Like what? What? How could they even do that? So
so here's the thing. You only you don't need a
ton of other information or other sources to re identify stuff.
So much so that paracs list calls it calls the
(32:24):
identification a privacy placebo. He says, it works about as
well as the thermostat in a hotel room. Uh. You
can use this data to do a number of things,
including identity theft, because your medical record contains financial information,
so there's a risk with that with hacking. A lot
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of people use medical data to make fraudulent medical claims. Uh.
And you can also have a condition that maybe you
don't want your family to know about, or your employer
to know about, or your or maybe you know. If
we it into the realm of pre crime, pre sickness,
it's fairly certain that in less legislation is much quicker
(33:07):
than it's ever been, private insurance companies will be incentivized
to use this stuff against you. Your genetic code could,
in short, become a pre existing condition, which is very
dangerous and quite unfair. Uh So, the other thing is
that this guy is saying the usefulness of public health
records or the data from health records is overblown. He says, mainly,
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what electronic health records have been shown to do well
is to be pretty good billing systems. And he says, well,
there's a lot of research done on them. It doesn't
mean the research is easy. It just means more people
have thought about it, and a lot of folks are
underestimating the complexity of the problem. And his big concern
(33:53):
right now is that the data itself is not secure,
that things can be leaked. But it's It's like what
Anonymous is saying here is that one of the other
big concerns is the very real possibility that this could
be weaponized for profit against people. And right now I'm
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setting this up too for us to do a bigger,
deeper episode on this, because this affects you. It doesn't
matter what you believe in, what kind of politics or
spirituality you practice, doesn't matter how much money you make
or how you make that money, your health will at
some point become the most important thing in your life.
(34:38):
It's either gonna happen. It's either already happened, or it's
gonna happen as you get older. Right, It's a very
powerful tool, So of course powerful entities want to control
it and want to get their cut. And will they
be able to get their cut while also helping the world. Yeah, hopefully,
but that's nowhere near the confirmed aim yet. And if
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you already don't like big tech based on you know
are strange news earlier this week, based on our big
data episode, based on the numerous times that we've been
pretty correct about terrible things, then of course you're going
to be skeptical about these folks. The CEO of one
of those first companies I mentioned that has access to
(35:23):
six of all medical care for over three and twenty people. Uh,
their CEO used to work with Microsoft, which makes people
understandably wonder if we're in a fingers on a hand situation,
by which again I mean if for anybody's not seeing
this on YouTube, I mean think about fingers is depending
from your perspective, they look like two different things until
(35:46):
you see the whole hand which controls all of them.
And this happens more often than we might like to think.
And as we've all learned, everyone here talking now, the
two fingers have mysteries to tell us, and uh, we
don't fully understand the hand that they're connected to yet, Yeah, exactly,
because this is brave, new world stuff, This is new territory.
(36:11):
We've looked into this in the past and big data.
One of our big questions was particularly about data gathered
by social media companies and uh, you know what their
algorithms could scrape about you, right, And the question is, well,
how much is my data worth? Why am I not
getting paid for this? You know what I mean? And
we know that the problem with terms and conditions and
(36:34):
granting permissions and anything from you know, accepting the terms
of a multiplayer video game to signing off maybe on
a car lease, to signing any number of these agreements,
they are purposefully made to be obtuse it is good
in some industries for the consumer not to understand what
(36:57):
they are agreeing to. Thus, I would say there's a
very good argument that you're not making informed consent even
when you are consenting. And this problem is only exacerbated
when we're talking about patients, some of whom may be
in conditions where they're not mentally fit to read through
this whole thing, you know what I mean. And at
(37:17):
that point, where does your information go? What say do
you or do not have in what happens to it?
This is uh is a frightening thing. There's a lot
of money in it. Again, there's a lot of potential
to be a force of tremendous good in the world,
but whether that will be the case remains to be seen.
(37:38):
And to be clear, folks, we're not going to do
a hit piece on this unless it objectively has to
be a hit piece. But what we do, what we
do want, what I definitely want is to hear from
anybody in the audience today who feels that there medical
data has been taken without their consent or if whether
(38:01):
it's been weaponized against you, and if so, in what way.
I'd love for you to be part of this conversation.
We want to hear your stories. We also want to
hear about other creepy things like your local corpse would manner.
We also want to hear about you know, your alien
pregnancy or or if you'd rather talk about the first
(38:23):
part of that letter. No, Matt doesn't want to hear
about it, send it to me. Please do please contact
us about all that stuff, but really quickly before we
dump away. Guys. I just had this image of the
time when it becomes normalized and regular to just have
your medical history as part of the thing that's like
(38:46):
the information that's attached to you, the information file that
walks around with you, when other people just look at
you with their heads up display, where it's just a
normal thing. And if you you know, it would say,
Matt recently contracted pink eye for some kid, you know
at the at his son's school or whatever, from the
pink room. It may have been from the pink room,
(39:07):
or maybe the second story I think is what that's called.
But but like I but I'm imagining a version where
for everyone's safety, it is you know, we all have
our medical history on our file, so that if we're
going to interact with anyone else, they can have that information.
(39:29):
And then by even conversing with you or interacting with you, uh,
it's like giving informed consent. I see about what this
other person is and has. Sorry, I'm just trying to
I saw a picture of that. Right, You're absolutely right,
because that's what we're going to see. The move towards
privatization of all things that the state does is real,
(39:49):
it is happening. The future is corporate, at least that's
the trend it's going toward. And in many cases already
large corporations are much more powerful than some individual states.
But this is another part of I would say also
the erosion of privacy, and privacy as we understand it
or as we sort of deify it today is surprisingly
(40:10):
modern condition. Like if you are a student of UM,
if your student of just early U. S. History, you'll
know that the Pilgrims and the Puritans, they didn't really
have privacy the way you might understand it today. Your
own room. What the hell? Who are you the king?
That's like the the idea of privacy again is is
(40:32):
much more fragile, more fragile, much younger than we think
of it, and it may be it may end up
being it may end up being something that goes away,
if not in your lifetime as you're reading this, possibly
in your children's lifetime. Is privacy as we understand it.
There's so many places to go with this. We need
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(40:55):
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hope you like this kind of day as much as
we do. This is when we get to talk directly
with you, or sort of we share your stories with
your fellow listeners, and we've got some doozies for you
here to day. We're going to talk about some murders
in a manner m A N O R. Well, we'll
talk about murders in a manner, in a manner of
(01:08):
speaking yes and uh. And we'll also talk about the
dangers of what is actually happening to your medical information.
That's going to be a scary one. We're gonna end
on that so that everybody feels rightly weirded out. But
I think we're gonna start We're talking about this off air.
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I think we're going to start with some really interesting
comments about vaccines and allegations of alien pregnancy, which we
mentioned last week. I believe there is someone who may
have an alien child. Yes, that'll be wanting to keep
an eye on for sure. And this one comes from
S and I believe. I asked his responding to a
(01:51):
question that I posed. I can't remember if it was
on a news episode or a listener mail, but I said, like,
why are people freaking out about the vaccine? About the
COVID nineteen vaccine? And the email starts from ask why
are people freaked up by the vaccine? For me, I'm sorry,
I said, I I imparted tone to that it was
just a question. It was a heading for me. It's
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that it's an m RNA vaccine and it's the first
huge use of that technology on human subjects. The fact
that they are pushing it for every living human being
at once is a little concerning as well. I would
have started with those most in danger of adverse outcomes
of the virus if there truly is something not quite
right with the vaccines. Now it's been distributed so widely
that it will be a huge problem. So I say
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we start with that real quickly. And you know it's true. UM,
this is a in terms of like medical science and
the history of medical developments and UH and breakthroughs. M
RNA vaccines are relatively new, UM, if I'm not mistaken.
It was back in the late eighties UM nineteen seven
(02:58):
to be precise, that a scientist researching a measles vaccine
UM came across the idea of using m RNA as
a way to essentially instruct the human body, the cells
in the human body to react to a certain um
invasive organism virus. It was Robert Malone. UM did an
(03:24):
experiment where he mixed strands of messenger RNA or m
RNA with little bits of fat, and he created this
kind of cosmic gumbo. UM. Human cells that were bathed
in this genetic material. UM absorbed that m RNA and
began to produce proteins from it. And it is the
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proteins that essentially instruct your body how to react. So
it's different than a traditional vaccine, which uses a small
piece of live virus to cause your body to react,
fight it off, and then it like knows how to
do that moving forward. Did I about get that right? Guys?
I'm obviously not a geneticist, nor am I any kind
(04:05):
of medical professional whatsoever, but I think that's a decent
description for the difference between the two at the very least. Yeah,
I'm neither of those things either, But uh, I agree
if you found some resources. I did find some resources,
and I will, in fact go to the c d
C politics aside um we can at the very least. Uh,
(04:25):
Except I hope that the CDC is looking at the
most up to date studies and science, uh, for what
they're posting on their website at the least, So I'm
gonna go from what they have to say. It says
to trigger an immune response, many vaccines put a weekend
or any activated germ into our bodies, not mRNA vaccines. Instead,
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m RNA vaccines use m rna created in a laboratory
to teach ourselves how to make a protein or even
just a piece of a protein that triggers an immune
response inside our bodies. That immune response, which produces antibodies,
is what protects us from getting infected. If the real
virus there's our bodies. And the reason this is a
big deal is because it does not require any piece
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of the virus itself, which makes it stunningly effective to
quickly develop a vaccine for a new virus such as
COVID nineteen. That is the event that triggered the kind
of breakthrough that they needed in order to like really
push this forward. UM. So what they do is they
take a piece of protein from the virus and I
(05:29):
think it's essentially like something that they can produce artificially
without um, a piece of the virus itself, uh, using
computers or whatever to to analyze it, and they can
generate this thing. It's called a spike protein. UM. It's
the thing if you look at pictures I guess of
a virus, those like spiky bits that are on the
top of it. That is, uh, the part on the
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surface of the virus that causes COVID nineteen. And after
that protein piece is made, ourselves break down the m rna.
UH it never actually enters the nucleus of our cells,
according to the research that's out there now. And then
next our cells display the spike protein piece on their surface.
Our immune system recognizes that the protein doesn't belong there,
(06:12):
and that triggers our immune system to produce antibodies and
activate other immune cells to fight off what it thinks
is an infection. Um. So there you go. Makes sense
that this medical technique or breakthrough didn't really have a
reason to be rolled out this quickly and this widely,
But because of the fact that they didn't have to
work with live viruses is literally what caused this to
(06:35):
be able to be rolled out so quickly. Um. It
has to be kept really really cold, as you know,
and you can hear a good bit of this stuff
in our multipart episode on COVID nineteen from like the
early days, you know, when it was first starting to
be a thing. I think we did an episode about it,
like or a news episode maybe leading up to when
it was really a thing, and then we did a
(06:56):
multi part series on it. And we've talked about it many, many,
many times. Um. But it is true that this is
the largest, you know, roll out of a vaccine with
a understandably shortened clinical trial period. I believe now enough
time has passed that the CDC and the um f
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d A is saying it has met all of the
standards for a traditional clinical trial, but they certainly did
have to kind of do something early on in order
to meet the need, meet the demand, um and honestly
the public safety need for having this vaccine available. But
I don't know, guys, like, do you think enough researches
(07:40):
out there to know that this isn't going to have
some long term down the road negative impact um Or
is it really just about optics? Isn't just about people
that are like sketchy and maybe a little distrustful about
being sold or having their arm twisted or jabbed. Uh,
you know for something that maybe had doesn't have a
(08:00):
long enough runway of you know, observable reactions. Yeah. Yeah,
Well I would say, you know, first, there are legitimate
conditions that would make it difficult for some people to
have vaccines. That's true, that's not conspiratorial. The vast majority
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of people can take an mr NA vaccine. But I
think I think we're looking at two big or three
big factors here. First, this is the long historical bill
of inequality and terrible experiments throughout history coming do Tuskegee
was real, It happens. And then of course people don't
(08:44):
don't forget that kind of stuff. And then secondly there
is there was a concerted effort again by foreign powers,
which I know it sounds like a broken record to
say that to encourage divisive like device of scare tactics
about this stuff in an already very scary time. And
(09:04):
then third, which people talked about more when they're talking
about how these vaccines got developed, is that they were
not developed under ordinary circumstances. True, but one of the
most extraordinary part about their circumstances surrounding their development is
the way that governments around the world pulled out every
(09:25):
stop to accelerate testing processes, following regulations, all this stuff
they did a speed run is what are the ways
to put it? And that doesn't necessarily make it unsafe.
It just means that it was prioritized. And as weird
as it sounds, as ineffective as so many governments are,
it's so many things. And I say this as a
(09:47):
guy who just got done complaining about his taxes off
air before we recorded uh as as inept as governments
can seem, and as slow as they can seem on
a normal day, when they focus and prioritize something, they
can move mountains quite quickly. As a matter of fact,
one of the big problems that most Americans have with
(10:08):
the American government is that most of us just think
the government's moving the wrong mountains. Honestly, we just can't
agree on which one should be moved. Like, the Emergency
Use Authorization provided much more safety data. It's more than
any other any other vaccine data they've had, like at
this point, Like, look, a lot of times conspiracies on
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the part of government or either by small factions of
a government hoping other factions don't catch them, or it's incompetence. Frankly,
it's incompetence to trying to cover up that incompetence. That's
what leads to them getting caught. Um, I know that
there are a lot of reasons people would be concerned
(10:48):
about this, Like here's something I didn't ever hear about
in now everybody on earth has to take it. That's spooky,
It's understandably spooky. But if you're talking to some one
who is um very much against the vaccine, and there
you know, maybe they don't have access to objective information
about it because of a Facebook algorithm or something. The
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best way to get to talk with them is to
actually listen to what they have to say and don't
come at him in a combative way. Those are good questions.
Think about it. I never heard about this in now
the whole world has to take it. Someone. You got
some splaining to do. What's going on? To quote? What's
his face from? I love Lucy? And the last thing, Um,
(11:34):
the researcher that I mentioned, um Malone? Yeah, Robert Malone.
Um who kind of you know did all these landmark
studies or experiments in he spoke to the journal Nature,
and so that he feels like he's been written out
of history, um, because I mean a lot of advancements
and modifications to his research have been done, you know,
(11:57):
in the years since he did these these initial experiments.
But at this point, Nature reports the global sales of
these COVID nineteen vaccines are expected the top fifty billion
dollars alone. So who gets credit for this kind of stuff?
And um we also you know, in the early rollout,
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remember there was a lot of talk about the proprietary
nature of these vaccines and opening it up so that
other undeveloped, underdeveloped, less developed nations could make it without
having to ship it to them, you know, through fisser,
BioNTech or whatever. So that's a thing too. So when
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it comes to medicine, it's like there's a lot of
money to be made, but something like this is like
viewed as a necessity. Um. And especially if it's like mandated,
then that money is just you know, that check is
is cashed for all eternity. So there's a lot of
interesting angles to look at. I'm in the same place here.
(12:59):
I still think about how strange it is. I still
think about how nervous I am about the whole situation
and how it all went down. But then I have
to balance it out with the hope that I'm gonna
be okay, and I hope that my son's gonna be okay,
And you know, in the end, that's what matters to me,
full full disclosure. We're all vaxed and boosted, and our
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kids are vaxed and boosted, and I think we all
probably did at the moment we were able to do it.
So you're right, it is a balance, um, And I
guess I don't understand the like siding with the big
picture scary stuff, considering how much science has gone into
it and how long it's been around and how much
it's clearly helped slow down you know, what was a
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really really really horrible thing globally. So I still don't
fully especially and then you get into the politicization of
and that's a whole another angle, And that's literally just
rhetoric aimed at trying to take pot shots at that
politicians to you know, assign blame, etcetera. And to create
a scenario where you can be upset about something. So
(14:06):
that part I just fully don't understand. But I do
understand the trepidation. But I also think the balancing Act
tends to favor the just do it and see what happens.
But I know everyone doesn't feel the same way about things,
So I totally get where you're coming from, s in
in thinking about the long term potential for not knowing
because we just don't know. Uh. And last thing, I
was going to read this because I thought it was
interesting as for the alien pregnancy, why do we assume
(14:28):
that the aliens are actually aliens and might not possibly
breed with humans? What if they are humans but through
continued space travel or life on other planets have evolved
to a point where they don't quite look like us anymore.
But the d n A is still mostly human or
you know, time travel. There aliens from the future and
they don't look like us anymore, but the DNA is
still there anyway, Thanks as always for a great show.
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I just wanted to put that out in the world
because I think that's an interesting, uh scenario and it
sounds like the plot for a science fiction not bolder
film that hasn't yet been written. So the aliens look
like us. Oh no, wait, the aliens don't look like us,
but they've got our d n A. I'm a little confused.
I know, I know human, but it's but it's yeah,
(15:13):
it's it's a common idea. It's like so interesting that
I'm I'm hesitant to uh to say too much about it,
but uh, you know, meet me at the local folks.
Let's that's definitely completely agree No, Matt, just to say
that they don't look like us, but that they evolved
(15:34):
from humans over time and if like you know, multiverse
type theory or time travel is involved, and who knows
how much time has passed that allowed them to evolve,
but they maybe started off as some sort of human
alien hybrid, which is I believe what this is referring
to that human alien hybrid possibility story that we talked
(15:56):
about in a recent episode. Indeed, so let's say a
quick break and then we'll be back with more listener mail.
All right, we are back, and we are going to
jump to a story that was told to us over
the phone lines by a person named Slayer. And this
(16:20):
person told us about an event that occurred here in
Georgia that I was unaware of. In fact, an entire
story that I was unaware of that kind of happened
I don't know pretty close to us, guys, So why
don't I just go into it. It's about a place
called corpse would manor. So for this story, we are
(16:41):
going to travel up to a place called Triton, Georgia.
This is in northwest Georgia. It's about ninety miles from Atlanta.
If you're driving there on on the roads. It's about
an hour drive south from Chattanooga, Tennessee. Just to give
you an idea of of just how northwest it is
up there are in the corner of Georgia, and it
(17:02):
involves uh several people. The primary person, the first person
is doctor Charles Scudder. This person was a professor at
Loyola University there in Chicago, Illinois. This professor, doctor Scudder
studied pharmacology. That's going to come into play here in
(17:22):
just a little bit. That's a you know, substances, drugs, medications,
often things that you put into your body to have
effects on the human body. This guy, Chuck Charles Scudder,
he had a partner named Joe Odom and Charles well,
let's just call him Dr Scudder. Doctor Scudder had an
(17:43):
idea that he wanted to move away from the city.
He wanted to get away from the hustle and bustle
of city life, and he wanted to live out in
the woods and you know, specifically the North Georgia Woods.
And he and Joe again, his partner, they decided they
were going to build a house in the woods. Not
by a house, right, They decided they wanted to construct
(18:04):
an entire house and not just a house, y'all. They
built a stinking castle in the woods. And you know, yeah,
pretty awesome. Right. I'm holding off because I I think
this is ringing a bell in my memory palace somewhere,
so I mean, go to hold off, but for right now, yeah,
(18:25):
pretty awesome to build your own place depending on what
you do in it. But hey, come on, I don't
care what you do in your house. That's your domicile,
that's your place, it's private property. You do what you
want as long as it doesn't hurt anybody else. And
especially in this case, if you're building castle from scratch,
that's pretty exciting. So that's what that's what Dr Scudder
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and Joe did out there in the woods. Pretty dope.
They did call it corpse would manor which kind of
might make you raise an eyebrow or two three if
you got them what so like? Again, objectively cool. Here's
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the thing about Dr Scudder, Doctor Scudder was It just
depends on how you feel about this. We've talked about
on the show many times. He was a member of
the Church of Satan. Now, some of you hear that
and you go, oh no. Some of you hear that
and go, oh, yeah, I remember hearing about that that
fun place, Church of Satan, And then some of you
(19:28):
hear that and go hail Satan, and then yeah, you
might associate them with some pretty progressive legislature petitions that
they've been putting through recently, especially as the religious right
attempts to exert more control and rural environments. Now, I
gotta say I finally, we can't say it on the
(19:49):
air yet, but I remember where I found out about
this story. Okay, I'm gonna play the role of audience member.
I was just pulling up some photographs, so yes, I
remember this one. Okay, great, good, good, good. Well. I
I was unaware of this until Slayer called us and
told us about it. But um, I'm not gonna tell
you all the whole story today because this feels like
an entire episode and I want to go down those
(20:10):
rabbit holes and really give it some time. But here
are some things that occurred. As a As an addition,
let's say, to this place corpse would man or their
castle in the woods, they built something called the Chicken House.
I believe that's what they called it. Uh. This that's
at least according to an article from All That is
Interesting that you can find and read right now if
(20:31):
you want spoilers, but you know, maybe don't have spoilers.
We're gonna have an episode about this pretty soon. You
can find it on All that is Interesting dot com.
Was written by Gina de muro In. You can find
it if you want to see it. There. I'm gonna
give a quick quote from it. This chicken house that
they added on to their castle. Uh, had a couple
of stories, three stories to be exact. One was according
(20:55):
to all that is interesting, was for poultry and food storage,
the I get story was for canned goods and the
couple's pornography collection, and the third was for their quote
pink room, also known as their pleasure chamber. Hmm okay,
so uh, just by hearing that, you might think, Wow,
(21:16):
these these guys, they're really into each other. They had
a whole they built a whole thing in their house
just for pleasure. That's great. That's probably a healthy, happy
thing that's got That's awesome. Um, you were bearing the lead.
We got a whole floor dedicated to porn hard like
the eighties. I think this is the night at all VHS, Like,
(21:37):
what do we think? That's a lot of real estate. Yea.
But also to wonder if the character in Carnival Scudder
is named after this guy you know what, rabbels rabbels
or for an episode, so we'll save it. I didn't
even give you guys at the time frame this is
late seventies, early eighties. Uh, so there would you know,
if you were into porn at the time, it would
(21:59):
have to be the goal and live somewhere in the
chicken house. What it's analog. It's analog. And what better
place the story than the chicken house, Uh, between the
fultry and the pink room. Uh So, anyway, that's just
a detail. I don't I don't know all of the
details about the pink room. What I do know is
that the couple enjoyed company. They enjoyed having people over
(22:23):
to share pleasures within the pink room, and this was
a pretty common occurrence. Uh. And the other thing is
that when doctor Scudder took off from his job there
at Loyola, you know he was his position was in pharmacology.
He absconded with a couple of things. Um. Some of
those things were skulls that he brought to corpse with manner,
(22:45):
and he adorned the place with them. Another thing that
he took was twelve thousand hits of acid. Twelve thousand
he took them all at once, totally crap. Well, he
did not take this, Sorry I didn't. I'm job. He
did not administer that many doses. He brought them with him. Yes, yes, yes, exactly,
(23:08):
thank you. Um, so you can imagine just what was
going on in that pink room, like all kinds of stuff,
probably just far out there are things that I can't
even fathom. But I'm telling this kind of like a fun,
silly story because it's really interesting characters, right, it's interesting
places injuring things that are happening. Unfortunately, it does have
a sad ending. There were a few people I'm not
(23:31):
gonna end I'm not gonna spoil the whole thing or
end it all the way here, but there were a
few people who did go uh to some of those
parties who made the decision to go back to the
house the corpse with manner and attempt to rob the couple,
doctor Scudder and Joe, and unfortunately both men were killed.
(23:52):
There were also two large massiff dogs that were on
the property that were also killed by these people who
went back to try and rob them, thinking that, you know,
there's a castle in the woods, there's got to be
all kinds of riches here, and unfortunately there was not,
and the people were apprehended. But again, I'm not gonna
give you all the details here because I think getting
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into those details is really what the story is going
to be about when we tell it in full, So
I don't know any any other thoughts, guys other than that.
I mean, I might just leave it there and then
we can explain it's a great primer for people to
start digging in and uh, and then tune back in
for the full episode. This is fascinating and I'm still
hung up on the whole floor for porn. It was
it like film canisters. It was VHS. I mean, that's
(24:35):
still a total probably some good, real to real kind
of curating, hard to find stuff. Look, I have probably
really organized. I have like maybe three feelings a year,
and I'm excited to get to this story because I can't.
It's rare for me that happens where I've forgotten about
this until um until I saw heard this voicemail from Slayer,
(25:00):
and I remember it was one of those late night
reading sessions where I'm just trying to find creepy stuff
and uh, I had totally forgotten about this. Uh. I
wonder if we can drive up there. You know what
I've already said too much. You're right, Matt, I know
I don't want to say too much. I would say
this if you're trying to drive up there and look
for it. You cannot get on the property legally anymore.
(25:22):
For a time it was a legend and a whole
thing where you could go and travel there. Currently, don't
try and do it unless you're willing to break the law. Um,
we do not condone hopping fences are using bolt cutters
of any kindly say it's totally easier than you think. God, Okay,
So if you want to get the full story right now,
(25:44):
I just don't want to take anything away from this author.
There is a book titled The Corpse would Manner Murders
in North Georgia. It's written by Amy Petula p E
t U l l A. You can look it up
and buy it right now if you want to if
you want to get the story from her. Otherwise, look
forward to the full episode that we're gonna be doing
on this very soon. And we have returned with one
(26:11):
more piece of listener correspondence. Uh. This comes to us
from someone who wishes to remain anonymous. Here's what they said.
In part. They say, I am in a master's degree
program and which I'm required to take an ethics class, which,
as you might guess, is a treasure trove for potential conspiracies.
I just learned through a project about true Vita, which,
(26:34):
according to my classmates, is a for profit organization founded
by fourteen healthcare networks that as a partnership with Google
and Microsoft that collects shares purchases de identified patient healthcare information.
This specific organization covers sixtent of the US population. Another
organization is HC a healthcare that is a company with
(26:58):
similar functions as the first system of shared data between
a hundred and eighty two hospitals and twenty three hundred
plus sites of care in twenty states. Sites of care
would be like block in clinics, dock and box that
kind of stuff. So our faithful correspondent, fellow conspiracy realist
here says, this is a topic that has been torn
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because I see both sides. I work in a pharmaceutical company,
and though I remain skeptical, I've always been pleasantly surprised
at the ethics and best practices I've seen in the field.
Side note, I am part of vaccine manufacture, which is
the least lucrative of all pharmaceuticals because it's preventative medicine.
But I digress back to the healthcare thing. Uh, and
(27:39):
then this is interesting. I'm just gonna laundry list through
this real quick, and then we should talk about it,
because I think there's an episode here. As someone who
has spent time in both research and data analysis, I
understand the value of having this de identified data and
what it could provide to researchers and scientists in academia, etcetera. However,
do I think Google and Microsoft have the same intentions
(28:02):
as academic researchers or public health experts. Probably not, And
of course we agree with you, Anonymous. And so Anonymous
goes on to cite the importance of having this data
if it is truly anonymized as a public health resource,
(28:22):
saying that you can you can correlate disasters with rates
of cancer, etcetera, different other sorts of medical conditions, and
you can only do that if you have data for comparison.
But then Anonymous says, on the flip side, I know
I don't need to explain the cons of your personal
data get it exploited to you all, but I will
share the points my fellow classmates pointed out. The hospitals
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are making money off this, are the patients consenting anywhere
to this and just don't know it. Do they need
to consent? Who really owns the data anyway? Who's deciding
who owns it? Are there conflicts of interest here with
sharing the data with non healthcare related entities? Off cough Google,
cough cough. What if this data is reidentified? Cybersecurity is
(29:05):
not without its flaws. Who will have access to this
data that's being shared and agglomerated? What's the potential use
of patient data against individuals when it's provided with insurance
or care if it's leaked and reidentified by having at
time to deep dive into this as anonymous, but I'll
attach some relevant links uh and then does so. I'd
(29:26):
love to hear your thoughts on this. However, my opinion,
whether anyone agrees with what's happening here or not, this
smells like a conspiracy between Google, Microsoft, and big healthcare.
So what to do? Surrender, fight back, go off the grid,
never get medical attention again. So, Anonymous, this is one
of those emails we want to hold up to the
(29:48):
class because you included awesome links. It's clear that you
have you have thought through the advantages and the possible
terrible consequences of this practice. I want to point out
that there is one of the links that you shared
is an excellent article on the Verge by Nicole Wetzman
(30:09):
called hospitals are selling treasure troves of medical data? What
could go wrong? Alfredyum entitle there, what me worry? And yeah,
there's a shame of something happened to that personal medical data? Right.
So there's the reason I point out the Verge article
in specific here is because there is a great interview
(30:33):
with the chief science and Digital officer at the Duke
Clinical Research Institute, which does tons and tons of invaluable
medical work. Uh. This guy is named Eric Parasklis, and
Eric Prasklis is incredibly concerned about what's going to happen
to electronic medical records. We also know that a lot
(30:55):
of very very wealthy institutions and individuals are pushing for
larger organization and agglomeration of this information, which again could
be amazing, could be a game changer, could save lives,
but could also um could also be easily misused for
very bad things. This guy has been worried about this
(31:17):
since and he says the problem is the technology itself
is fine. This de identified data, this stuff where you know,
your social security number, your name, your favorite album from
the early two thousand's, whatever, All that stuff is scraped
off the record, and it's just like this person lives here,
(31:40):
they got this whatever, like the metadata that the n
s A uses when they you know, monitor phone calls
or whatever. Rights even it's even less right, it's even
less attached to a place. It's like an area, right,
your actual location or anything. Right. It would be like
that data if the n s A was telling the
(32:01):
truth about it, which they clearly were not for quite
a while there. But but yeah, how would it get reidentified?
Like what? What? How could they even do that? So
so here's the thing. You only you don't need a
ton of other information or other sources to re identify stuff.
So much so that paracs list calls it calls the
(32:24):
identification a privacy placebo. He says, it works about as
well as the thermostat in a hotel room. Uh. You
can use this data to do a number of things,
including identity theft, because your medical record contains financial information,
so there's a risk with that with hacking. A lot
(32:45):
of people use medical data to make fraudulent medical claims. Uh.
And you can also have a condition that maybe you
don't want your family to know about, or your employer
to know about, or your or maybe you know. If
we it into the realm of pre crime, pre sickness,
it's fairly certain that in less legislation is much quicker
(33:07):
than it's ever been, private insurance companies will be incentivized
to use this stuff against you. Your genetic code could,
in short, become a pre existing condition, which is very
dangerous and quite unfair. Uh So, the other thing is
that this guy is saying the usefulness of public health
records or the data from health records is overblown. He says, mainly,
(33:31):
what electronic health records have been shown to do well
is to be pretty good billing systems. And he says, well,
there's a lot of research done on them. It doesn't
mean the research is easy. It just means more people
have thought about it, and a lot of folks are
underestimating the complexity of the problem. And his big concern
(33:53):
right now is that the data itself is not secure,
that things can be leaked. But it's It's like what
Anonymous is saying here is that one of the other
big concerns is the very real possibility that this could
be weaponized for profit against people. And right now I'm
(34:16):
setting this up too for us to do a bigger,
deeper episode on this, because this affects you. It doesn't
matter what you believe in, what kind of politics or
spirituality you practice, doesn't matter how much money you make
or how you make that money, your health will at
some point become the most important thing in your life.
(34:38):
It's either gonna happen. It's either already happened, or it's
gonna happen as you get older. Right, It's a very
powerful tool, So of course powerful entities want to control
it and want to get their cut. And will they
be able to get their cut while also helping the world. Yeah, hopefully,
but that's nowhere near the confirmed aim yet. And if
(35:00):
you already don't like big tech based on you know
are strange news earlier this week, based on our big
data episode, based on the numerous times that we've been
pretty correct about terrible things, then of course you're going
to be skeptical about these folks. The CEO of one
of those first companies I mentioned that has access to
(35:23):
six of all medical care for over three and twenty people. Uh,
their CEO used to work with Microsoft, which makes people
understandably wonder if we're in a fingers on a hand situation,
by which again I mean if for anybody's not seeing
this on YouTube, I mean think about fingers is depending
from your perspective, they look like two different things until
(35:46):
you see the whole hand which controls all of them.
And this happens more often than we might like to think.
And as we've all learned, everyone here talking now, the
two fingers have mysteries to tell us, and uh, we
don't fully understand the hand that they're connected to yet, Yeah, exactly,
because this is brave, new world stuff, This is new territory.
(36:11):
We've looked into this in the past and big data.
One of our big questions was particularly about data gathered
by social media companies and uh, you know what their
algorithms could scrape about you, right, And the question is, well,
how much is my data worth? Why am I not
getting paid for this? You know what I mean? And
we know that the problem with terms and conditions and
(36:34):
granting permissions and anything from you know, accepting the terms
of a multiplayer video game to signing off maybe on
a car lease, to signing any number of these agreements,
they are purposefully made to be obtuse it is good
in some industries for the consumer not to understand what
(36:57):
they are agreeing to. Thus, I would say there's a
very good argument that you're not making informed consent even
when you are consenting. And this problem is only exacerbated
when we're talking about patients, some of whom may be
in conditions where they're not mentally fit to read through
this whole thing, you know what I mean. And at
(37:17):
that point, where does your information go? What say do
you or do not have in what happens to it?
This is uh is a frightening thing. There's a lot
of money in it. Again, there's a lot of potential
to be a force of tremendous good in the world,
but whether that will be the case remains to be seen.
(37:38):
And to be clear, folks, we're not going to do
a hit piece on this unless it objectively has to
be a hit piece. But what we do, what we
do want, what I definitely want is to hear from
anybody in the audience today who feels that there medical
data has been taken without their consent or if whether
(38:01):
it's been weaponized against you, and if so, in what way.
I'd love for you to be part of this conversation.
We want to hear your stories. We also want to
hear about other creepy things like your local corpse would manner.
We also want to hear about you know, your alien
pregnancy or or if you'd rather talk about the first
(38:23):
part of that letter. No, Matt doesn't want to hear
about it, send it to me. Please do please contact
us about all that stuff, but really quickly before we
dump away. Guys. I just had this image of the
time when it becomes normalized and regular to just have
your medical history as part of the thing that's like
(38:46):
the information that's attached to you, the information file that
walks around with you, when other people just look at
you with their heads up display, where it's just a
normal thing. And if you you know, it would say,
Matt recently contracted pink eye for some kid, you know
at the at his son's school or whatever, from the
pink room. It may have been from the pink room,
(39:07):
or maybe the second story I think is what that's called.
But but like I but I'm imagining a version where
for everyone's safety, it is you know, we all have
our medical history on our file, so that if we're
going to interact with anyone else, they can have that information.
(39:29):
And then by even conversing with you or interacting with you, uh,
it's like giving informed consent. I see about what this
other person is and has. Sorry, I'm just trying to
I saw a picture of that. Right, You're absolutely right,
because that's what we're going to see. The move towards
privatization of all things that the state does is real,
(39:49):
it is happening. The future is corporate, at least that's
the trend it's going toward. And in many cases already
large corporations are much more powerful than some individual states.
But this is another part of I would say also
the erosion of privacy, and privacy as we understand it
or as we sort of deify it today is surprisingly
(40:10):
modern condition. Like if you are a student of UM,
if your student of just early U. S. History, you'll
know that the Pilgrims and the Puritans, they didn't really
have privacy the way you might understand it today. Your
own room. What the hell? Who are you the king?
That's like the the idea of privacy again is is
(40:32):
much more fragile, more fragile, much younger than we think
of it, and it may be it may end up
being it may end up being something that goes away,
if not in your lifetime as you're reading this, possibly
in your children's lifetime. Is privacy as we understand it.
There's so many places to go with this. We need
your help. If you want to do the news clues
(40:55):
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You know we're we're paying our dues before we end
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