September 10, 2020 • 43 mins
Do ghosts wander the tunnels of Gibraltar? Why are so many families (Ben's included) convinced they receive mysterious omens of the future in their dreams? Multiple listeners respond to the episode on the deaths at Deepcut, raising question about the deaths at Fort Hood, Texas, as well as the suicide epidemic in Bridgend, Wales. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio, Welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Null. They call
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you,
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. It's our returning Listener Male segment.
We have quite a few strange stories for you, uh,
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concerning ghosts, concerning the world of dream and concerning unsolved
murder of the ghost story. Maybe is a good place
to start. What do you all think? Because it relates
to a previous episode of Listener Mail, it does for it.
It also relates to this week's episode of Strange News.
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I'm on a ghost train this week, everybody, and you're
on the ride with me. Guess what. Let's do this.
We got a message of really great message from Dennis. Dennis,
you wrote to us about our Rock of Gibraltar episode
and it's in in reference to the story we talked
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about on a Strange News episode a little while back
where we discussed the hidden spy room, essentially large enclosure
where six men were supposed to stay in the case
of the Rock of Gibraltar being taken over by the
Axis Nazi forces. And uh, you wrote to us with
a personal experience, So we're just I'm gonna read through it.
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It's pretty long. Bear with me. It's a great worry
and there is a ghostly tail amidst the words. Here
here we go. Dennis, you said, hello, guys. I listened
to your recent story about Gibraltar and its caves and tunnels,
and it reminded me of my trip there at the time.
I was in the Navy on a submarine and it
was our last liberty port at the end of a
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deployment to the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf. There are tunnels
in the rock dating back hundreds of years, but as
you said, the World War Two tunnels were probably the largest.
There are civilian tunnel tours, but as we are the
military unit, we got a special tour with some of
the local military units. That's very cool, Dennis, He says.
The tunnels seem to be much longer than the Rock
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of Gibraltar itself. And there were pipes and cables running
along one side. As we walked, you could hear the
pipes settling with temperature changes. It would be just creeks
and pops that started at one point and it would
make their way all the way down the length of
the pipes. So you can hear the sounds coming towards you,
passing you, and retreating away. Nothing really weird about it,
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I would say that would that would creep me out
already a little bit, especially being in that enclosed tunnel
the way it is. Dennis, by the way, send us
a great picture of a tunnel that looks like this,
that has pipes running down one side. It's very long,
it's darkened, there are a couple of lights in there,
and uh, you really get a sense of what that
must feel like. But it didn't freak Dennis out at all.
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He was he was totally fine with it. Let's continue.
He says. About twenty guys from my boat went on
the tour, and it was some typical stuff, pointing out
storage tunnels or command radio offices. About halfway through the tour,
there was a branch off tunnel that went perpendicular to
the main tunnel. The tour guide told us that we
could take a break while he made a phone call,
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but if we went up the branched off tunnel on
the right, there would be a ladder and we could
climb and look into a natural cave discovered while digging
in World War two. Sounds awesome. Maybe five or six
guys went and looked at the cave while the rest
took a rest. After I look did the cave, I
went a little further up the tunnel and looked around.
After the prescribed time passed, we all gathered back at
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the main tunnel. Now, the tour guide asked if anyone
went further up the tunnel from the ladder, and you know,
a couple of us raised their hands said yeah. The
guy had asked if we saw a bunch of flowers
on the wall, and he said they'd likely be dried
by now. Um, Dennis hadn't noticed them. But this is
the story that the tour guide told them. He said,
about three months ago they'd had a ceremony for an
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older woman to come and place those flowers on the wall.
This woman was born in England during the war and
her father had shipped out before she was born, so
she never saw her father because he was sent to
Gibraltar and he was working digging the tunnels there into
the rock when he died during a cave in. So
there was a young woman whose father left to go
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dig tunnels in Gibraltar. He died there. She never got
to meet her father. Now, apparently there were a few
cave ins that did occur and they didn't know exactly
where this person, you know, was died where the rock
collapsed on him. So they chose this specific spot to
memorialize this death. That's where they put the flowers right
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and that way she could come and remember, you know,
or at least think about the father that she never met.
Then she apparently went back to England after the ceremony. Now,
according to Dennis's email, the tour guide says he was
finishing up another similar tour a few weeks after this
woman had gone home. Um, he locked up one end
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of the tunnel and he was walking back to the
beginning of the tunnel where the tour begins. Right, He's
all alone in these massive tunnels. He's walking with the
piping on his right side, and he said he heard
noises the way you do, the way Dennis has described
he heard coming up from behind him, right just coming up.
It's reaching as closer and closer and closer. But as
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that sound reached where he was, instead of just continuing
on down the pathway, it stopped. The sound stopped right
behind him, and he felt someone or something pull on
his right sleeve. You can imagine how unnerving that would be, right,
So he stopped to look behind him. He didn't see anything,
and he just kind of turned around and kept walking.
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Further down he had the same thing happened, noises coming
up from behind him, stopping and then another sleeve tug.
At this point, he's extremely weirded out and afraid, so
he hurried to the gate, locked it, and he went
to the Officers Club, essentially a restaurant and lounge like
a bar, right where you can go after work. So
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his wife was tending to the bar, so he goes,
he gets a beer, he sits down, his kids are there.
That this must have been a day tour. The one
that Dennis went on was a night tour, but this
one must have been a day tour, he says, and um,
you know they're hanging out playing or something. He's feeling
kind of frazzled. He's telling the story of what just occurred, right,
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and he knows the woman at the pool who was
looking at him. He doesn't know who this woman is, um,
and the tour guide doesn't recognize this person. UM. You
know a lot of times these clubs have officers visiting
from out of town or from you know, who are
stationed somewhere else. Maybe their families are in town. There's
a lot of time strangers in an officer's club like that. UM.
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But you know, he's he's noticing that she's staring at him.
When she notices him staring back, she walks over and
begins talking to our tour guide here. So this woman
excuses her intrusions. She says she doesn't normally do this,
but she's sensitive to things, and there was a man
standing with her that could tell she could see him
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when others couldn't. She said that the man is really
sorry he missed his daughter, and is there any way
they could bring her back so he could see her.
He says he was frozen there in shock. Uh. They
did what they could do to raise more money to
get her back. This woman, who you know, lost her
father before she ever met him. And then laid the flowers.
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But as of the time that at least Dennis was
there visiting at the Rocket Gibraltar, they hadn't raised enough
money and Dennis finishes it after that story with Gibraltar
was probably the best board he got to visit during
his active duty, and uh, he's really glad he had
a ghost story to share about it. So, um, you know,
just really interesting. I wanted to read that because that
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kind of thing, that kind of interaction where someone appears
to be able to see someone or talk with or
interact with someone who has already passed, has always fascinated me.
I think fascinates everybody here. You two. Probably the concept
in this um of it occurring in this place where
you'd imagine it could be haunted, right, just with the
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amount of past that that place has seen, the number
of people who have gone through it, um where humans
have been lost in collapses, where there's been a lot
of digging and blasting of rocks and stone. UM. I
imagine that would be the kind of place if it
was possible, if the physics worked out, um, that a
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resonance could occur where a life, a a living person,
whatever it is that makes us human and intelligent. The
thing that we don't currently fully understand right now, whatever
that is, I can imagine it staying in that stone somehow,
or or like uh, my earlier point from the dream series,
maybe this person's quantum. Uh, maybe they're microtubules. Are are
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very sensitive two events happening in a symmetry of time. Uh.
We know this idea about some sort of intangible impression
being left of physical memory somehow imprinted. It's usually portrayed
as something that happens at times of great unrest. I mean, sorry,
before I go off, I'm a dog with a ball
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and this stuff. Dennis, thank you for your I mean,
what a journey, what a we got a frame story,
we got an epilogue, we've got the whole nine um,
A couple of quick things before we dive in. Just
for anybody who's wondering, a liberty port is like, sure,
leave you. You don't have to stay on the boat.
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You can get out and have fun. You know what
I mean? I think didn't he say liberty port? There? That? Yes,
that's correct. Yeah, yeah, so that's like that was his
last chance to party. And one thing about this this
story you're telling, uh, I do agree with you, Matt.
There is this commonality of experience, right. Not maybe not
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super frequent. Not everybody listening knows someone who claims to
see these figures of people who have passed or these apparitions.
But it's an idea that is familiar to all of
us in the world. And it gets really interesting when
we go into cultures where death is sort of acknowledged
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as like death is just kind of like moving to
a different part of a city called the universe, right. Uh.
In those cultures, it is much less stigmatized to say
I have seen this ghost and Gibraltar itself to your
earlier point about ghost tours, I was surprised by how
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just how riddled Gibraltar is with uh, purported ghost and
ghostly activities. It's a it's a wash in them. And
I think it makes sense whether or not you believe
in ghosts. It makes sense that those stories would exist
because this thing has been a geopolitical flashpoint, the subject
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of so much blood and treasure over the centuries. Uh,
it would almost be abnormal for those It would almost
be unusual for those tunnels not to have a ghost story.
I'm being very careful, by the way, to say ghost story,
but I wonder or Dennis, you say, got a great
ghost story from the tour guide, But I maybe I
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missed this match. I didn't see anything in our letter
from Dennis where you, Dennis say whether or not you
believe the story. There you go, there's the rub. Well, no,
we didn't. We we did get a very vivid picture
of what the tour guide experienced that was also experienced
by Dennis, with the pipes and the sounds moving past him.
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So he's maybe giving us a way to explain what's occurring, right,
But the thing that it's harder to explain is how
somebody there I knew about this whole situation with the
the woman who placed the flowers in this part where
people generally don't tour weird. Yeah, and there there are
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any number of ways that people might attempt to explain that.
You know, we've got I always see, I always see
the idea of skepticis a credulity. Let's say, I always
see those as part of a spectrum. Right, we're more
skeptical about some things, were more critical about other things.
Uh So, especially when it comes to ghost, tremendously controversial topic.
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We're gonna have a lot of people out of who
will immediately say, well, this person is somehow a scam artist, right,
But it doesn't that that doesn't hold up because it
doesn't sound like she was scamming them. You know, she
just wanted to convey information, which I think is it's
a very different thing. Uh. And then there are people
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who will say, you know, I have witnessed behavior like
this in the past. There are there are possibilities, their
thought experiments we could do about how this could happen,
how maybe she knew this information. We know they're flim
flam artists who do that. But the problem with that
flim flam explanation, at least in this story, is that
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the con are are motivated by personal profit, and there's
not a profit motive here, is there. Well, they were
attempting to raise money to bring the woman back down.
The one who laid the flowers for her never met father.
So you know, if you could find a way to
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make a go fund me and then skim some off
the top or take the money instead of giving it
to the other person, then perhaps, but uh, there's no
way to to know that here or this whole thing
could be a way to drum up support for tours
of the Rocket Gibraltar. I don't know Dennis is working
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for the Big Rock. No, No, I'm not saying Dennis,
this is a story told to Dennis. Well, I just
send it Dennis because it's a well, because it's a
really interesting story. It caught my attention. Um probably did
the same thing to Dennis. I'm just saying, they're They're
a wonderful number of possibilities we could explore here. But
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in the end, it's just a fun story, I think.
And it's the perfect time for those I want to
hear more spooky stories. Uh, please send us your ghost tales.
Bonus points if you believe them to be in arguably true. Uh,
and you know what, double We're just we're throwing out
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bonus points here like their beads at Marty Gras. Double
bonus points if you may not think it's entirely true,
but some specific details of it give you pause and
maybe creep you out a little bit late at night. God,
I love Halloween is just the best. Yeah, and it's
almost there, almost. We only got about two months. Usually
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hate when people do this, but let me rip off
myself in in a forthcoming short fiction piece of working on.
It's always Halloween in America. Now you know what I mean.
The house is haunted. There's no better time for ghost stories. Uh,
let's just make sure we don't become ghost stories of
our own. Wow, that was dark. Sorry, moving on, moving on,
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Thank you so much, Dennis. We're going to take a
pause for a quick word from our sponsor and then
we will return with more listener mail. And we're back
with more listener mail. Uh. And today I actually have
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a piece of listener mail, not a voicemail, but an email. Um,
and if it's okay with you, fellas, I'd like to
read a bit about dreams. Oh now I'm dead dreams
episode Yeah, all right, This one comes from Benedict and
it starts off. Hey guys, a long time listener, first
time emailer. First of all, I really love your show.
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The amount of brilliance and conspiracy thinking I hear from
you guys always keeps my brain on in uh in
tip top shape. Keep up the good work. Anyway. To
get to the point, I just heard your episode regarding
dreams and I thought it would be interesting to share
my families encounters regarding dreams to your fellow listeners UM
within our family, every time any one of us of
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our kin has these losing teeth dreams that we talked
about on the episode, someone close to us or a
family member dies within a few days. I can personally
attest to this as it has happened to me three
times already, and it always proved to be true. Two
of my aunts UM and an uncle of mine died
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of natural cause within a few weeks of me having
these weird teeth losing dreams. But of course it could
be nothing but a coincidence. But other relatives also experienced
the same ominous teeth dreams, so I don't know what
what's going on. Our family comes from a religious background
from Japan and Southeast Asia, so this precog native ability
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could have come from that lineage. Our grandmother, when she
was still alive, once told us to never tell anyone
the next day that we had such dreams the night before,
and make sure to bite our actual teeth on a
small living plant, uh the very next day. Yeah, if
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the plant dies within a few days, then the relative
that's supposed to die is going to be saved. But
if the plant flourishes and stays alive, then there's nothing
we can do to save the ones that are destined
to perish from this earth. Hard you got a hard bite,
she said. These dreams are an ominous premonition, a kind
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of dark gift of foresight given to our family that
we are experiencing for many generations. Again, thanks for the
wonderful show. You guys always keep me company whenever I'm
stuck in bumper to bumper traffic here in l A,
which is pretty notorious for its rush hour traffic jams. Uh.
Long time. Yeah, now, Um, that's that's a lot to unpack. Uh.
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You know, we really did talk a lot about the
number of people in the world that have dreams every night. Um,
and you know it's in the billions. Um. And within
all of that, there's this sort of like numbers game
of like you know, uh, striking the lottery of of
you know, predicting quote unquote a thing that that is
going to happen. Um. But adding that extra layer of
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this being a familial thing and it being the same
type of dream kind of complicates that one a little bit.
It's it's really interesting because I am absolutely a spiritual person,
and I think that there certainly is there are things
that we can't understand um fully or explain and and
I don't know this. This feels like that maybe there
is some sort of gift of foresight that could be
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passed down generationally. Who who were we to say, I
don't know what? What do? What? Do you? Fellas think? Well,
this is tremendously cool to me? Um? What what Benedict
is saying is that somehow there's an ability that that
has passed down as though almost a bloodline of I
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don't know magic or being in tuned with you know
the other side in a way. Um. Really what a
lot of what our whole two part series was about
in predictive dreams, Um, this would be one of those
things that you know, if true or if if it
could be proven in some way, maybe you could get
closer to showing that there is some kind of wider
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connected matrix of of time and existence that we keep
alluding to on a lot of these episodes. Because if
you if you're able to just buy just by knowing
you're having this dream, remember that you had that dream,
and then convey that to you know, your family in
some way, um, to let others know that something terrible
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is coming. I don't know that'd be incredible. The problem
is it sounds really scatter shot, right if if one
of these dreams occurs, you have no idea who it's
going to be. Is gonna be somebody you care about?
I guess that's the one you be aware of. You
don't know the time, you don't know the length of time,
just to absolutely um. And there was an implication kind
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of midway through the email that there was an awareness
of who was going to be, because the grandma said
something to the effect of, uh, if the plant dies
within a few days, then the relative that is supposed
to die is going to be saved. But if the
plant flourishes and stays alive and there's nothing we can
do to save the ones that are destined to perish
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from this earth. So there's almost the implication that there
is with this gift, the ability to save them. But
this is coming from the the grandmother, the older generation
that's that's been experiencing this the whole time. Really, I
don't know, it's more diagnostic. I think the idea and
the tradition abiding the plant just gives you further information,
but maybe not further agency. I don't know about you all.
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I'm very hesitant to speak for all of us at once,
But on my end, this is something I have close
uh familiarity with in my family. It's a common thing
to the point where people will share a group text
or something like that where they they are convinced that
they have received some sort of alert, and so I
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will if I approach it from a skeptical thing, because
I want to avoid my own confirmation bias. Here, then
we'd have to say, uh, pieces of information that can
wiggle our first uh, clairvoyance versus precognition, both of which
are still considered you know, extrasensory phenomenon. Am I having
a dream about? Like in this case, Benedict, you're having
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a dream about something before happens, right, So precognitive. There
are other people who say they're having a dream or
vision while something is happening in real time. Like that's
where we hear the stories about a twins suddenly knowing
when their twin expires half a world away. Uh. Science
still has yet to explain both of those phenomenon. Another
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thing would be you know that that length of time, right,
Like if I have a dream and I think this
dream means someone will die, and I don't know what
my you know, how far out that is. Then I
could say that dream predicted an unfortunate death a year,
you know, a year later. So it's tricky. And this
is not my personal opinion. That's just the what the
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more skeptical approach would be. But I think a lot
of us, um, a lot of us have family folklore
like this. And maybe some of your friends don't talk
about it as readily, because again it's something that's stigmatized
here in the West. But I I wouldn't be surprised
if many of us have stories like this. Maybe not
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as frequent as your family, Benedict, but uh, maybe not
as frequent as my own family. But I think we
all have some of those one off things that can't
be explained. As a matter of fact, I know a
lot of us do because we received a ton of
feedback about this, But we've all had I mean, the
three of us have had these inexplicable moments where we
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investigate this stuff and think critically about it for a living,
and we have all been I'm not going to volunteer
you for this code named dot holiday. I don't know
if this happened to you. But I know that the
three of us have all, at one or more times
thought of every possible mundate explanation for something that happens
uh in the Sleeping world. And then eventually we all
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three of us at some point I had to throw
up our hands and say, well, something's weird something you know. Yeah,
I think that's so. That's one of the fun parts
about this show is like we don't always feel the
need to have to debunk or prove or uh, you know,
poo poo something. I mean, I think we all have
different times where we believe the magic, you know, in
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times where we are more willing to be completely skeptical
about it. And And I, for one think the dreams could
possibly be some kind of way of pulling information out
of the collective unconscious or whatever you wanna call it.
I do believe that, yeah, the super consciousness, right, Yes, Ben,
I propose we have a new segment on every episode
and it is something's weird, and that's it comes after
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Here's where it gets crazy. It was like, something's weird. Here,
something's weird. This is this is literally our job. At
the best we could do with Dreams was to go
something something's uh, uh, yeah, we have It's true though,
you know, and I appreciate you picking this one to
read Noel, because we know that the science of dreams
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is still it's still an ongoing investigation, right uh. And
there are there may well be things we learned about
the neurocognitive processes that upend our entire understanding of dreams,
which are already really weird to begin with. Um, and
we have you know, we have so many people who
have written in with like, all, everybody listening to this show,
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Not to blow too much smoke at you, everybody listening
to this show is pretty exceptional in terms of the
way that we're thinking through things. So we've gotten emails, tweets,
we've probably all gotten personal messages on social media where
people say, look, I'm not crazy. But since you asked,
also off Mike, we're making the point. I think we
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are predicted we would get a lot of feedback for
this because in real life it is very rare to
find someone who will listen to you talk about your dreams.
That's a reason, it's one of the reasons. Uh, it's
rare to find people who listen to you talk about yourself.
So that's why there's a whole industry of people paid
just to do that. Um. And I think part of
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that really, I mean, you got to read the room
and not always talk about yourself. But but part of
that really is that dreams are stigmatized. And you know,
interpreting a dream does not mean that you are in
any way losing critical thinking skills. You know, think of
dream interpretation as a psychological tool, just like Damien Patrick
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Williams said, you know, uh, he still has I don't
know what you guys, my favorite definition of magic weaponized psychology,
like whether or not you believe your mind is trying
to tell you about the future. Your mind is trying
to tell you something, and it's a lot smarter than
you without all the limitters of the conscious mind turned on.
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Sorry anyway, here's wonder Wall. How did you know? That's
my favorite song and one that always appears in my dreams.
Even if I can't make out the melodies, I can
just tell by the energy that song. What is a
wonder wall? Actually? Does he ever even talk about what
that is? Like? Dream? Like? Uh? Material there? And you know,
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this is only one of many emails that we got
about dreams, about precognitive dreams, just about dreams and their
meaning and how you know, ben you you made a
really good point that this was gonna get a lot
of response because it's, uh, it's fun to tell people
about your dreams, and you don't often get solicited to
do that, so it's a great opportunity. Um. And it's
really a helpful way to find out a lot about
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what listeners are thinking. I mean that they're their innermost thoughts.
Is what what a dream feels like to me? So
huge thanks to Benedict, Kevin, Mark, Skylar, Andy, uh An, Alicia.
Let's see we've got Richard, Um, Christa, Stephanie and Mike Um.
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I wish we had no more Jamie and Sarah Yeah,
and who else we got? Specific shout specific shout out
to Stephanie. Sorry to interrupt, but she told the story
about like predicting essentially saving herself from a potential abductor
crazy Yea, yeah, I like that. That's interesting too, because
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it's sort of this idea of of dreams being in
some way uh you know, of course correcting, you know,
implement that your body has almost like a precognitive safeguard,
you know, to protect you against negativity or bad things happen.
I got like a heavy talk about negativity, but I
think you see what I'm trying to say, fellas. Um,
so yeah, I really enjoyed reading all of those, and um,
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I think we'll take a quick sponsor break and then
come back with another listener mail and we're back. I'm
calling this a posit listener mail. Through various social media messages, posts,
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and more, especially on the Here's where it Gets Crazy
Facebook page, I'm reading people's responses to our Deep Cut
Suicides or Deep Cut Murders episode. If you guys remember
that that's over in the United Kingdom. We had a
lot of people writing in. Would especially like to think
people like Wedge, Gabriel and Joe who wrote to us
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about this episode. Let's let's go with Joe. Joe, you said, hi,
a longtime listener, first time caller here, referring to your
episode on the Deep Cut Suicides. I was in the
UK Armed Forces from two thousand nine to two thousand sixteen,
and everyone mostly referred to Deep Cut as cut throat,
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which is self explanatory, says Joe. Why it would be
called that it was well known that it had a
cloud looming over that at camp. And if you think
that is interesting, wait till you hear about this. The
Bridge End or brig End suicide incidents. These were said
of suicides involving young people in Brigand County, or Bridge
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and County Borough in South Wales. The reporters speculated that
a suicide cult was to blame. As of December two
thousand and eight, there had been twenty six known suicides
in or around the county since January two thousand seven,
although police had no evidence to link the cases together.
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Of the twenty six people who killed themselves, says Joe,
between two thousand seven January and two thousand nine February,
all but one had died from hanging. And he notes
there is a film that was loosely about these hangings.
And he says, and Joe, you say, I hope you
find this of interest and possibly could feature as an
episode on the podcast. I'll attach some links in this
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emails should you wish to dive into this topic more.
Stay awoke, fellow conspiracy realist. That last line, Folks, is
meant for you. Uh and and this story that you
have told us, Joe, is both disturbing and true. This
is a very small town in Wales, and just in
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case anybody's wondering, yes, that is an unusual amount of
suicides for that region over that period of time. It
is an unprecedented amount. It is an extraordinary amount. The
the people who have died, other than the commonality of
where they live and the method of suicide they chose, uh,
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they're pretty disparate group. You know. They could range in
age from thirteen to forty one, even though most of
the victims were young adults. In fact, in two thousand ten,
law enforcement us the local media to stop covering the
suicides because they were thinking, with this many people dying
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against seventy nine people by two thousand twelve, with this
many people dying, they were worried that copycat suicides were
at least part of the cause. For comparison. The largest
town in this borough is called break End Itself Bridge
and its population is thirty nine thousand, seven seventy three. Uh.
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The average rate of suicide, very grizzly statistic throughout Wales
and England is around eleven point one per one thousand people.
So either way you slice the pie, the number is
extraordinarily high. I don't know, what do you guys think
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the idea of a suicide cult in real life? We
know it's some fiction. Um, we know there are suicide packs.
Could something like that have happened here? Well? I mean
we have real life suicide cults right like Heaven's Gate
and Jonestown and all that. Like, isn't that are we
differentiating in some way between those and and this? This
doesn't appear unless we find more. I find out more
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right now. It doesn't appear to be uh an act
of a religious organization. Interesting. I mean I could see
it being more like a pact like you said, like
out of you know, some kind of bizarre, heavy handed
protest or something. But then wouldn't you want people to
know why and leave behind some kind of thing that
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would condemn the people that you were trying to, you know,
lash out against with this very self defeating kind of action.
I don't know, it's interesting to think about. Yeah. Part
of it is responsibility of the media, perhaps because the
British media seemed to be some of the initial sourcing
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for reports of a possible suicide cult, and some some
outlets later went back and recanted on that. But there
is gosh I guess we have two in one episode. Matt,
there is a throw up your hands to say, this
is weird moment here because that that rate of suicide
is far above what it would be. Uh, if all
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other things are equal, and this bridge end suicide situation
is separate from the the deep cut, I mean, it's
just there's just like they're comparing them in some way, yes,
and that they are both series of deaths or a
cluster of of fatalities. Joe, I don't think you're saying
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that these events are linked, but I think you are
saying that these are clusters of fatality that still have
official explanations that don't satisfy everybody. Right, I I get
it any younger, younger people who are dying where there
might be something more to the picture going on than
any news paper or authority understands. I think that's the
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connection that's being made. I don't know about you all,
but I can feel my foot at the precipice of
the rabbit hole here. There's a There's a lot to read. Uh,
there's a lot to dig into. So I would like
to dive into this and return with more information in
the future. Joe, thank you for writing to us about this,
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and for anyone else familiar with this case, please give
us your information and please give us your perspective on
these well, I should say cases. Uh the last thing
related to Deep Cut that I we have to have
a mention of here today. So I want to thank
the multiple people have written to us on social media
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Here's where it gets crazy and via email in response
to the Deep Cut deaths. The fatalities right. The families
believe that these are homicides, and the government's official explanation
is that they are sue sides. Uh. Many of your
fellow listeners wrote in to tell us about the ongoing
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strangeness and tragedies occurring at Fort Hood, Texas. For some
of us, that is best known as the compound where
army psychiatrist Major Nadal Hassan killed thirteen people injured thirty
two others in a mass shooting in two thousand and nine,
but it appears there have been multiple murders in Look
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much more recently in Fort Hood. In fact, just a
few days ago, over the weekend as we record this,
a suspect was arrested in Mississippi for killing a Fort
Hood soldier as well as two other people. But that's
that's almost like a tangent to the story, because as
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soon as you start digging into this, you see multiple
reports of people who have died under mysterious circumstances in
Fort Hood, Texas. And I feel like this is like
SPC Vanessa, Gillian PVT mahor Morta Francisco, Gilberto Hernandez Vargus,
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Like there are multiple people cold Jacob Eton. This This
has not been as much, This has not been featured
as heavily in the news as you would think it
would be, given that these people are dying in Fort Hood,
you know. Yeah, the one that I've been reading about
mostly is the that person that was just discovered in Mississippi,
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who you know, allegedly killed two people. I don't know.
It feels very weird. It feels weird that I recognize
the name fort Hood and I'm in Atlanta, and it's
been in the national news enough times in the past decade,
roughly due to strangeness that's been going on there, or
shootings or tag or deaths. Um, it feels like it's
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worth our time to do some some pretty serious digging. Yeah, agreed.
There have been twenty three deaths this year among the
thirty six thousand five soldiers of Fort Hood, and that's
according to Fort Hood officials themselves. But the more we're
diving into some specifics behind several of these deaths, we're
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seeing some strange things. Uh. Without without saying more until
we do the due diligence of research, this sounds like
an episode all its own, So please right in and
let us know if you have more information about this
or if you have firsthand information. We try to make
it very easy to contact us in a way that
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not want us to. Uh. With that being said, again,
thank you very much Joe for hitting us to this
incredibly important story that was news to all of us.
Thank you as well to Stephanie Benedict, Andrew, Andy, Analysia, Sarah, Jamie,
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We have quite a few strange stories for you, uh,
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concerning ghosts, concerning the world of dream and concerning unsolved
murder of the ghost story. Maybe is a good place
to start. What do you all think? Because it relates
to a previous episode of Listener Mail, it does for it.
It also relates to this week's episode of Strange News.
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I'm on a ghost train this week, everybody, and you're
on the ride with me. Guess what. Let's do this.
We got a message of really great message from Dennis. Dennis,
you wrote to us about our Rock of Gibraltar episode
and it's in in reference to the story we talked
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about on a Strange News episode a little while back
where we discussed the hidden spy room, essentially large enclosure
where six men were supposed to stay in the case
of the Rock of Gibraltar being taken over by the
Axis Nazi forces. And uh, you wrote to us with
a personal experience, So we're just I'm gonna read through it.
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It's pretty long. Bear with me. It's a great worry
and there is a ghostly tail amidst the words. Here
here we go. Dennis, you said, hello, guys. I listened
to your recent story about Gibraltar and its caves and tunnels,
and it reminded me of my trip there at the time.
I was in the Navy on a submarine and it
was our last liberty port at the end of a
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deployment to the Mediterranean and Persian Gulf. There are tunnels
in the rock dating back hundreds of years, but as
you said, the World War Two tunnels were probably the largest.
There are civilian tunnel tours, but as we are the
military unit, we got a special tour with some of
the local military units. That's very cool, Dennis, He says.
The tunnels seem to be much longer than the Rock
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of Gibraltar itself. And there were pipes and cables running
along one side. As we walked, you could hear the
pipes settling with temperature changes. It would be just creeks
and pops that started at one point and it would
make their way all the way down the length of
the pipes. So you can hear the sounds coming towards you,
passing you, and retreating away. Nothing really weird about it,
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I would say that would that would creep me out
already a little bit, especially being in that enclosed tunnel
the way it is. Dennis, by the way, send us
a great picture of a tunnel that looks like this,
that has pipes running down one side. It's very long,
it's darkened, there are a couple of lights in there,
and uh, you really get a sense of what that
must feel like. But it didn't freak Dennis out at all.
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He was he was totally fine with it. Let's continue.
He says. About twenty guys from my boat went on
the tour, and it was some typical stuff, pointing out
storage tunnels or command radio offices. About halfway through the tour,
there was a branch off tunnel that went perpendicular to
the main tunnel. The tour guide told us that we
could take a break while he made a phone call,
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but if we went up the branched off tunnel on
the right, there would be a ladder and we could
climb and look into a natural cave discovered while digging
in World War two. Sounds awesome. Maybe five or six
guys went and looked at the cave while the rest
took a rest. After I look did the cave, I
went a little further up the tunnel and looked around.
After the prescribed time passed, we all gathered back at
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the main tunnel. Now, the tour guide asked if anyone
went further up the tunnel from the ladder, and you know,
a couple of us raised their hands said yeah. The
guy had asked if we saw a bunch of flowers
on the wall, and he said they'd likely be dried
by now. Um, Dennis hadn't noticed them. But this is
the story that the tour guide told them. He said,
about three months ago they'd had a ceremony for an
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older woman to come and place those flowers on the wall.
This woman was born in England during the war and
her father had shipped out before she was born, so
she never saw her father because he was sent to
Gibraltar and he was working digging the tunnels there into
the rock when he died during a cave in. So
there was a young woman whose father left to go
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dig tunnels in Gibraltar. He died there. She never got
to meet her father. Now, apparently there were a few
cave ins that did occur and they didn't know exactly
where this person, you know, was died where the rock
collapsed on him. So they chose this specific spot to
memorialize this death. That's where they put the flowers right
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and that way she could come and remember, you know,
or at least think about the father that she never met.
Then she apparently went back to England after the ceremony. Now,
according to Dennis's email, the tour guide says he was
finishing up another similar tour a few weeks after this
woman had gone home. Um, he locked up one end
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of the tunnel and he was walking back to the
beginning of the tunnel where the tour begins. Right, He's
all alone in these massive tunnels. He's walking with the
piping on his right side, and he said he heard
noises the way you do, the way Dennis has described
he heard coming up from behind him, right just coming up.
It's reaching as closer and closer and closer. But as
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that sound reached where he was, instead of just continuing
on down the pathway, it stopped. The sound stopped right
behind him, and he felt someone or something pull on
his right sleeve. You can imagine how unnerving that would be, right,
So he stopped to look behind him. He didn't see anything,
and he just kind of turned around and kept walking.
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Further down he had the same thing happened, noises coming
up from behind him, stopping and then another sleeve tug.
At this point, he's extremely weirded out and afraid, so
he hurried to the gate, locked it, and he went
to the Officers Club, essentially a restaurant and lounge like
a bar, right where you can go after work. So
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his wife was tending to the bar, so he goes,
he gets a beer, he sits down, his kids are there.
That this must have been a day tour. The one
that Dennis went on was a night tour, but this
one must have been a day tour, he says, and um,
you know they're hanging out playing or something. He's feeling
kind of frazzled. He's telling the story of what just occurred, right,
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and he knows the woman at the pool who was
looking at him. He doesn't know who this woman is, um,
and the tour guide doesn't recognize this person. UM. You
know a lot of times these clubs have officers visiting
from out of town or from you know, who are
stationed somewhere else. Maybe their families are in town. There's
a lot of time strangers in an officer's club like that. UM.
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But you know, he's he's noticing that she's staring at him.
When she notices him staring back, she walks over and
begins talking to our tour guide here. So this woman
excuses her intrusions. She says she doesn't normally do this,
but she's sensitive to things, and there was a man
standing with her that could tell she could see him
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when others couldn't. She said that the man is really
sorry he missed his daughter, and is there any way
they could bring her back so he could see her.
He says he was frozen there in shock. Uh. They
did what they could do to raise more money to
get her back. This woman, who you know, lost her
father before she ever met him. And then laid the flowers.
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But as of the time that at least Dennis was
there visiting at the Rocket Gibraltar, they hadn't raised enough
money and Dennis finishes it after that story with Gibraltar
was probably the best board he got to visit during
his active duty, and uh, he's really glad he had
a ghost story to share about it. So, um, you know,
just really interesting. I wanted to read that because that
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kind of thing, that kind of interaction where someone appears
to be able to see someone or talk with or
interact with someone who has already passed, has always fascinated me.
I think fascinates everybody here. You two. Probably the concept
in this um of it occurring in this place where
you'd imagine it could be haunted, right, just with the
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amount of past that that place has seen, the number
of people who have gone through it, um where humans
have been lost in collapses, where there's been a lot
of digging and blasting of rocks and stone. UM. I
imagine that would be the kind of place if it
was possible, if the physics worked out, um, that a
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resonance could occur where a life, a a living person,
whatever it is that makes us human and intelligent. The
thing that we don't currently fully understand right now, whatever
that is, I can imagine it staying in that stone somehow,
or or like uh, my earlier point from the dream series,
maybe this person's quantum. Uh, maybe they're microtubules. Are are
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very sensitive two events happening in a symmetry of time. Uh.
We know this idea about some sort of intangible impression
being left of physical memory somehow imprinted. It's usually portrayed
as something that happens at times of great unrest. I mean, sorry,
before I go off, I'm a dog with a ball
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and this stuff. Dennis, thank you for your I mean,
what a journey, what a we got a frame story,
we got an epilogue, we've got the whole nine um,
A couple of quick things before we dive in. Just
for anybody who's wondering, a liberty port is like, sure,
leave you. You don't have to stay on the boat.
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You can get out and have fun. You know what
I mean? I think didn't he say liberty port? There? That? Yes,
that's correct. Yeah, yeah, so that's like that was his
last chance to party. And one thing about this this
story you're telling, uh, I do agree with you, Matt.
There is this commonality of experience, right. Not maybe not
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super frequent. Not everybody listening knows someone who claims to
see these figures of people who have passed or these apparitions.
But it's an idea that is familiar to all of
us in the world. And it gets really interesting when
we go into cultures where death is sort of acknowledged
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as like death is just kind of like moving to
a different part of a city called the universe, right. Uh.
In those cultures, it is much less stigmatized to say
I have seen this ghost and Gibraltar itself to your
earlier point about ghost tours, I was surprised by how
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just how riddled Gibraltar is with uh, purported ghost and
ghostly activities. It's a it's a wash in them. And
I think it makes sense whether or not you believe
in ghosts. It makes sense that those stories would exist
because this thing has been a geopolitical flashpoint, the subject
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of so much blood and treasure over the centuries. Uh,
it would almost be abnormal for those It would almost
be unusual for those tunnels not to have a ghost story.
I'm being very careful, by the way, to say ghost story,
but I wonder or Dennis, you say, got a great
ghost story from the tour guide, But I maybe I
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missed this match. I didn't see anything in our letter
from Dennis where you, Dennis say whether or not you
believe the story. There you go, there's the rub. Well, no,
we didn't. We we did get a very vivid picture
of what the tour guide experienced that was also experienced
by Dennis, with the pipes and the sounds moving past him.
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So he's maybe giving us a way to explain what's occurring, right,
But the thing that it's harder to explain is how
somebody there I knew about this whole situation with the
the woman who placed the flowers in this part where
people generally don't tour weird. Yeah, and there there are
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any number of ways that people might attempt to explain that.
You know, we've got I always see, I always see
the idea of skepticis a credulity. Let's say, I always
see those as part of a spectrum. Right, we're more
skeptical about some things, were more critical about other things.
Uh So, especially when it comes to ghost, tremendously controversial topic.
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We're gonna have a lot of people out of who
will immediately say, well, this person is somehow a scam artist, right,
But it doesn't that that doesn't hold up because it
doesn't sound like she was scamming them. You know, she
just wanted to convey information, which I think is it's
a very different thing. Uh. And then there are people
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who will say, you know, I have witnessed behavior like
this in the past. There are there are possibilities, their
thought experiments we could do about how this could happen,
how maybe she knew this information. We know they're flim
flam artists who do that. But the problem with that
flim flam explanation, at least in this story, is that
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the con are are motivated by personal profit, and there's
not a profit motive here, is there. Well, they were
attempting to raise money to bring the woman back down.
The one who laid the flowers for her never met father.
So you know, if you could find a way to
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make a go fund me and then skim some off
the top or take the money instead of giving it
to the other person, then perhaps, but uh, there's no
way to to know that here or this whole thing
could be a way to drum up support for tours
of the Rocket Gibraltar. I don't know Dennis is working
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for the Big Rock. No, No, I'm not saying Dennis,
this is a story told to Dennis. Well, I just
send it Dennis because it's a well, because it's a
really interesting story. It caught my attention. Um probably did
the same thing to Dennis. I'm just saying, they're They're
a wonderful number of possibilities we could explore here. But
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in the end, it's just a fun story, I think.
And it's the perfect time for those I want to
hear more spooky stories. Uh, please send us your ghost tales.
Bonus points if you believe them to be in arguably true. Uh,
and you know what, double We're just we're throwing out
(15:22):
bonus points here like their beads at Marty Gras. Double
bonus points if you may not think it's entirely true,
but some specific details of it give you pause and
maybe creep you out a little bit late at night. God,
I love Halloween is just the best. Yeah, and it's
almost there, almost. We only got about two months. Usually
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hate when people do this, but let me rip off
myself in in a forthcoming short fiction piece of working on.
It's always Halloween in America. Now you know what I mean.
The house is haunted. There's no better time for ghost stories. Uh,
let's just make sure we don't become ghost stories of
our own. Wow, that was dark. Sorry, moving on, moving on,
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Thank you so much, Dennis. We're going to take a
pause for a quick word from our sponsor and then
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a piece of listener mail, not a voicemail, but an email. Um,
and if it's okay with you, fellas, I'd like to
read a bit about dreams. Oh now I'm dead dreams
episode Yeah, all right, This one comes from Benedict and
it starts off. Hey guys, a long time listener, first
time emailer. First of all, I really love your show.
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The amount of brilliance and conspiracy thinking I hear from
you guys always keeps my brain on in uh in
tip top shape. Keep up the good work. Anyway. To
get to the point, I just heard your episode regarding
dreams and I thought it would be interesting to share
my families encounters regarding dreams to your fellow listeners UM
within our family, every time any one of us of
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our kin has these losing teeth dreams that we talked
about on the episode, someone close to us or a
family member dies within a few days. I can personally
attest to this as it has happened to me three
times already, and it always proved to be true. Two
of my aunts UM and an uncle of mine died
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of natural cause within a few weeks of me having
these weird teeth losing dreams. But of course it could
be nothing but a coincidence. But other relatives also experienced
the same ominous teeth dreams, so I don't know what
what's going on. Our family comes from a religious background
from Japan and Southeast Asia, so this precog native ability
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could have come from that lineage. Our grandmother, when she
was still alive, once told us to never tell anyone
the next day that we had such dreams the night before,
and make sure to bite our actual teeth on a
small living plant, uh the very next day. Yeah, if
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the plant dies within a few days, then the relative
that's supposed to die is going to be saved. But
if the plant flourishes and stays alive, then there's nothing
we can do to save the ones that are destined
to perish from this earth. Hard you got a hard bite,
she said. These dreams are an ominous premonition, a kind
(18:44):
of dark gift of foresight given to our family that
we are experiencing for many generations. Again, thanks for the
wonderful show. You guys always keep me company whenever I'm
stuck in bumper to bumper traffic here in l A,
which is pretty notorious for its rush hour traffic jams. Uh.
Long time. Yeah, now, Um, that's that's a lot to unpack. Uh.
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You know, we really did talk a lot about the
number of people in the world that have dreams every night. Um,
and you know it's in the billions. Um. And within
all of that, there's this sort of like numbers game
of like you know, uh, striking the lottery of of
you know, predicting quote unquote a thing that that is
going to happen. Um. But adding that extra layer of
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this being a familial thing and it being the same
type of dream kind of complicates that one a little bit.
It's it's really interesting because I am absolutely a spiritual person,
and I think that there certainly is there are things
that we can't understand um fully or explain and and
I don't know this. This feels like that maybe there
is some sort of gift of foresight that could be
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passed down generationally. Who who were we to say, I
don't know what? What do? What? Do you? Fellas think? Well,
this is tremendously cool to me? Um? What what Benedict
is saying is that somehow there's an ability that that
has passed down as though almost a bloodline of I
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don't know magic or being in tuned with you know
the other side in a way. Um. Really what a
lot of what our whole two part series was about
in predictive dreams, Um, this would be one of those
things that you know, if true or if if it
could be proven in some way, maybe you could get
closer to showing that there is some kind of wider
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connected matrix of of time and existence that we keep
alluding to on a lot of these episodes. Because if
you if you're able to just buy just by knowing
you're having this dream, remember that you had that dream,
and then convey that to you know, your family in
some way, um, to let others know that something terrible
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is coming. I don't know that'd be incredible. The problem
is it sounds really scatter shot, right if if one
of these dreams occurs, you have no idea who it's
going to be. Is gonna be somebody you care about?
I guess that's the one you be aware of. You
don't know the time, you don't know the length of time,
just to absolutely um. And there was an implication kind
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of midway through the email that there was an awareness
of who was going to be, because the grandma said
something to the effect of, uh, if the plant dies
within a few days, then the relative that is supposed
to die is going to be saved. But if the
plant flourishes and stays alive and there's nothing we can
do to save the ones that are destined to perish
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from this earth. So there's almost the implication that there
is with this gift, the ability to save them. But
this is coming from the the grandmother, the older generation
that's that's been experiencing this the whole time. Really, I
don't know, it's more diagnostic. I think the idea and
the tradition abiding the plant just gives you further information,
but maybe not further agency. I don't know about you all.
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I'm very hesitant to speak for all of us at once,
But on my end, this is something I have close
uh familiarity with in my family. It's a common thing
to the point where people will share a group text
or something like that where they they are convinced that
they have received some sort of alert, and so I
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will if I approach it from a skeptical thing, because
I want to avoid my own confirmation bias. Here, then
we'd have to say, uh, pieces of information that can
wiggle our first uh, clairvoyance versus precognition, both of which
are still considered you know, extrasensory phenomenon. Am I having
a dream about? Like in this case, Benedict, you're having
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a dream about something before happens, right, So precognitive. There
are other people who say they're having a dream or
vision while something is happening in real time. Like that's
where we hear the stories about a twins suddenly knowing
when their twin expires half a world away. Uh. Science
still has yet to explain both of those phenomenon. Another
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thing would be you know that that length of time, right,
Like if I have a dream and I think this
dream means someone will die, and I don't know what
my you know, how far out that is. Then I
could say that dream predicted an unfortunate death a year,
you know, a year later. So it's tricky. And this
is not my personal opinion. That's just the what the
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more skeptical approach would be. But I think a lot
of us, um, a lot of us have family folklore
like this. And maybe some of your friends don't talk
about it as readily, because again it's something that's stigmatized
here in the West. But I I wouldn't be surprised
if many of us have stories like this. Maybe not
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as frequent as your family, Benedict, but uh, maybe not
as frequent as my own family. But I think we
all have some of those one off things that can't
be explained. As a matter of fact, I know a
lot of us do because we received a ton of
feedback about this, But we've all had I mean, the
three of us have had these inexplicable moments where we
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investigate this stuff and think critically about it for a living,
and we have all been I'm not going to volunteer
you for this code named dot holiday. I don't know
if this happened to you. But I know that the
three of us have all, at one or more times
thought of every possible mundate explanation for something that happens
uh in the Sleeping world. And then eventually we all
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three of us at some point I had to throw
up our hands and say, well, something's weird something you know. Yeah,
I think that's so. That's one of the fun parts
about this show is like we don't always feel the
need to have to debunk or prove or uh, you know,
poo poo something. I mean, I think we all have
different times where we believe the magic, you know, in
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times where we are more willing to be completely skeptical
about it. And And I, for one think the dreams could
possibly be some kind of way of pulling information out
of the collective unconscious or whatever you wanna call it.
I do believe that, yeah, the super consciousness, right, Yes, Ben,
I propose we have a new segment on every episode
and it is something's weird, and that's it comes after
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Here's where it gets crazy. It was like, something's weird. Here,
something's weird. This is this is literally our job. At
the best we could do with Dreams was to go
something something's uh, uh, yeah, we have It's true though,
you know, and I appreciate you picking this one to
read Noel, because we know that the science of dreams
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is still it's still an ongoing investigation, right uh. And
there are there may well be things we learned about
the neurocognitive processes that upend our entire understanding of dreams,
which are already really weird to begin with. Um, and
we have you know, we have so many people who
have written in with like, all, everybody listening to this show,
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Not to blow too much smoke at you, everybody listening
to this show is pretty exceptional in terms of the
way that we're thinking through things. So we've gotten emails, tweets,
we've probably all gotten personal messages on social media where
people say, look, I'm not crazy. But since you asked,
also off Mike, we're making the point. I think we
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are predicted we would get a lot of feedback for
this because in real life it is very rare to
find someone who will listen to you talk about your dreams.
That's a reason, it's one of the reasons. Uh, it's
rare to find people who listen to you talk about yourself.
So that's why there's a whole industry of people paid
just to do that. Um. And I think part of
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that really, I mean, you got to read the room
and not always talk about yourself. But but part of
that really is that dreams are stigmatized. And you know,
interpreting a dream does not mean that you are in
any way losing critical thinking skills. You know, think of
dream interpretation as a psychological tool, just like Damien Patrick
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Williams said, you know, uh, he still has I don't
know what you guys, my favorite definition of magic weaponized psychology,
like whether or not you believe your mind is trying
to tell you about the future. Your mind is trying
to tell you something, and it's a lot smarter than
you without all the limitters of the conscious mind turned on.
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Sorry anyway, here's wonder Wall. How did you know? That's
my favorite song and one that always appears in my dreams.
Even if I can't make out the melodies, I can
just tell by the energy that song. What is a
wonder wall? Actually? Does he ever even talk about what
that is? Like? Dream? Like? Uh? Material there? And you know,
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this is only one of many emails that we got
about dreams, about precognitive dreams, just about dreams and their
meaning and how you know, ben you you made a
really good point that this was gonna get a lot
of response because it's, uh, it's fun to tell people
about your dreams, and you don't often get solicited to
do that, so it's a great opportunity. Um. And it's
really a helpful way to find out a lot about
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what listeners are thinking. I mean that they're their innermost thoughts.
Is what what a dream feels like to me? So
huge thanks to Benedict, Kevin, Mark, Skylar, Andy, uh An, Alicia.
Let's see we've got Richard, Um, Christa, Stephanie and Mike Um.
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I wish we had no more Jamie and Sarah Yeah,
and who else we got? Specific shout specific shout out
to Stephanie. Sorry to interrupt, but she told the story
about like predicting essentially saving herself from a potential abductor
crazy Yea, yeah, I like that. That's interesting too, because
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it's sort of this idea of of dreams being in
some way uh you know, of course correcting, you know,
implement that your body has almost like a precognitive safeguard,
you know, to protect you against negativity or bad things happen.
I got like a heavy talk about negativity, but I
think you see what I'm trying to say, fellas. Um,
so yeah, I really enjoyed reading all of those, and um,
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I think we'll take a quick sponsor break and then
come back with another listener mail and we're back. I'm
calling this a posit listener mail. Through various social media messages, posts,
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and more, especially on the Here's where it Gets Crazy
Facebook page, I'm reading people's responses to our Deep Cut
Suicides or Deep Cut Murders episode. If you guys remember
that that's over in the United Kingdom. We had a
lot of people writing in. Would especially like to think
people like Wedge, Gabriel and Joe who wrote to us
(30:31):
about this episode. Let's let's go with Joe. Joe, you said, hi,
a longtime listener, first time caller here, referring to your
episode on the Deep Cut Suicides. I was in the
UK Armed Forces from two thousand nine to two thousand sixteen,
and everyone mostly referred to Deep Cut as cut throat,
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which is self explanatory, says Joe. Why it would be
called that it was well known that it had a
cloud looming over that at camp. And if you think
that is interesting, wait till you hear about this. The
Bridge End or brig End suicide incidents. These were said
of suicides involving young people in Brigand County, or Bridge
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and County Borough in South Wales. The reporters speculated that
a suicide cult was to blame. As of December two
thousand and eight, there had been twenty six known suicides
in or around the county since January two thousand seven,
although police had no evidence to link the cases together.
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Of the twenty six people who killed themselves, says Joe,
between two thousand seven January and two thousand nine February,
all but one had died from hanging. And he notes
there is a film that was loosely about these hangings.
And he says, and Joe, you say, I hope you
find this of interest and possibly could feature as an
episode on the podcast. I'll attach some links in this
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emails should you wish to dive into this topic more.
Stay awoke, fellow conspiracy realist. That last line, Folks, is
meant for you. Uh and and this story that you
have told us, Joe, is both disturbing and true. This
is a very small town in Wales, and just in
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case anybody's wondering, yes, that is an unusual amount of
suicides for that region over that period of time. It
is an unprecedented amount. It is an extraordinary amount. The
the people who have died, other than the commonality of
where they live and the method of suicide they chose, uh,
(32:46):
they're pretty disparate group. You know. They could range in
age from thirteen to forty one, even though most of
the victims were young adults. In fact, in two thousand ten,
law enforcement us the local media to stop covering the
suicides because they were thinking, with this many people dying
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against seventy nine people by two thousand twelve, with this
many people dying, they were worried that copycat suicides were
at least part of the cause. For comparison. The largest
town in this borough is called break End Itself Bridge
and its population is thirty nine thousand, seven seventy three. Uh.
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The average rate of suicide, very grizzly statistic throughout Wales
and England is around eleven point one per one thousand people.
So either way you slice the pie, the number is
extraordinarily high. I don't know, what do you guys think
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the idea of a suicide cult in real life? We
know it's some fiction. Um, we know there are suicide packs.
Could something like that have happened here? Well? I mean
we have real life suicide cults right like Heaven's Gate
and Jonestown and all that. Like, isn't that are we
differentiating in some way between those and and this? This
doesn't appear unless we find more. I find out more
(34:14):
right now. It doesn't appear to be uh an act
of a religious organization. Interesting. I mean I could see
it being more like a pact like you said, like
out of you know, some kind of bizarre, heavy handed
protest or something. But then wouldn't you want people to
know why and leave behind some kind of thing that
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would condemn the people that you were trying to, you know,
lash out against with this very self defeating kind of action.
I don't know, it's interesting to think about. Yeah. Part
of it is responsibility of the media, perhaps because the
British media seemed to be some of the initial sourcing
(34:56):
for reports of a possible suicide cult, and some some
outlets later went back and recanted on that. But there
is gosh I guess we have two in one episode. Matt,
there is a throw up your hands to say, this
is weird moment here because that that rate of suicide
is far above what it would be. Uh, if all
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other things are equal, and this bridge end suicide situation
is separate from the the deep cut, I mean, it's
just there's just like they're comparing them in some way, yes,
and that they are both series of deaths or a
cluster of of fatalities. Joe, I don't think you're saying
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that these events are linked, but I think you are
saying that these are clusters of fatality that still have
official explanations that don't satisfy everybody. Right, I I get
it any younger, younger people who are dying where there
might be something more to the picture going on than
any news paper or authority understands. I think that's the
(36:02):
connection that's being made. I don't know about you all,
but I can feel my foot at the precipice of
the rabbit hole here. There's a There's a lot to read. Uh,
there's a lot to dig into. So I would like
to dive into this and return with more information in
the future. Joe, thank you for writing to us about this,
(36:23):
and for anyone else familiar with this case, please give
us your information and please give us your perspective on
these well, I should say cases. Uh the last thing
related to Deep Cut that I we have to have
a mention of here today. So I want to thank
the multiple people have written to us on social media
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Here's where it gets crazy and via email in response
to the Deep Cut deaths. The fatalities right. The families
believe that these are homicides, and the government's official explanation
is that they are sue sides. Uh. Many of your
fellow listeners wrote in to tell us about the ongoing
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strangeness and tragedies occurring at Fort Hood, Texas. For some
of us, that is best known as the compound where
army psychiatrist Major Nadal Hassan killed thirteen people injured thirty
two others in a mass shooting in two thousand and nine,
but it appears there have been multiple murders in Look
(37:32):
much more recently in Fort Hood. In fact, just a
few days ago, over the weekend as we record this,
a suspect was arrested in Mississippi for killing a Fort
Hood soldier as well as two other people. But that's
that's almost like a tangent to the story, because as
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soon as you start digging into this, you see multiple
reports of people who have died under mysterious circumstances in
Fort Hood, Texas. And I feel like this is like
SPC Vanessa, Gillian PVT mahor Morta Francisco, Gilberto Hernandez Vargus,
(38:18):
Like there are multiple people cold Jacob Eton. This This
has not been as much, This has not been featured
as heavily in the news as you would think it
would be, given that these people are dying in Fort Hood,
you know. Yeah, the one that I've been reading about
mostly is the that person that was just discovered in Mississippi,
(38:39):
who you know, allegedly killed two people. I don't know.
It feels very weird. It feels weird that I recognize
the name fort Hood and I'm in Atlanta, and it's
been in the national news enough times in the past decade,
roughly due to strangeness that's been going on there, or
shootings or tag or deaths. Um, it feels like it's
(39:02):
worth our time to do some some pretty serious digging. Yeah, agreed.
There have been twenty three deaths this year among the
thirty six thousand five soldiers of Fort Hood, and that's
according to Fort Hood officials themselves. But the more we're
diving into some specifics behind several of these deaths, we're
(39:27):
seeing some strange things. Uh. Without without saying more until
we do the due diligence of research, this sounds like
an episode all its own, So please right in and
let us know if you have more information about this
or if you have firsthand information. We try to make
it very easy to contact us in a way that
(39:48):
protects your anonymity to the best of our ability, and
we'll never use your name on air if you do
not want us to. Uh. With that being said, again,
thank you very much Joe for hitting us to this
incredibly important story that was news to all of us.
Thank you as well to Stephanie Benedict, Andrew, Andy, Analysia, Sarah, Jamie,
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