June 16, 2022 • 56 mins
An instagram user hips the guys to a bizarre, frightening study of fish off the coast of Florida -- they're testing positive for pharmaceutical drugs, in huge amounts. A caller asks for more information on a little-understood spike in brain tumors in New Jersey. Ben and Matt share phone calls from across the United States responding to recent episodes. All this and more in this week's listener mail.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt. They called me Ben. We're joined
as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade.
Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
You know, for a long time now, we've been putting
out two episodes a week. Back in the day, Matt,
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you and I were putting out a ton of YouTube
videos every week. Uh, and it was this was back
when it was one of the only things that you
and I did. But still we are grateful as always
for the best part of the show, which is you,
if you're listening now, our fellow listeners and conspiracy realists.
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And in between these episodes, we like to do a
listener mail segment every week where we can hear from you,
we can share your stories with each other. So, um, Matt,
you and I kind of divide and conquer on these things,
you know, I will I will have conversations with a
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lot of people on show social media or on my
own Twitter and Instagram, and you, my friend, credit where
it's due. You know, it's very important to me at
least credits where it's due. You run point. I help
out sometimes I help like the kid in the Shake
and Bait commercials, But you run points on on our
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voicemail que and uh, we love it. You also call
people back. We've talked about this on the show before,
and I want to be clear here with everybody. Our
voicemail stuff is about I would say nine three percent,
Matt Frederick, and that is me being very kind to me,
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you know whatever, whatever, I'm just saying thank you in
my way, I'm trying to say thank you. Well. I
do it for my own personal reasons because I love
calling somebody from this number that they don't have in
their phone, that they generally wouldn't pick up on, and
then when they do pick up they always have the reaction,
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why are you calling me? And it's glorious And one day,
you know, one day, once I get past some stuff
in my personal life, I I may also end up
calling people. But there have been a few times, Matt,
where you have you've reached out to me, and you said, Okay,
we need to talk to this person together, and and yeah,
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and those conversations are always very rewarding. But you know,
we've been clear from day one that this show doesn't
exist without you, fellow listeners. All the other stuff aside,
This is your show as much as it is ours,
and this is where we really put our money. Where
mouths are, your ears are something something something, Okay, Anyway, anyway,
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here we go. We're going to explore We're going to
explore disturbing story out of New Jersey. We're going to
explore a story that starts with a funny headline and
then goes to some really dangerous stuff over off the
coast of Florida. And then we're gonna end with a
quick little cavalcade of voicemails that really stood out to
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the both of us. Matt, I propose that we begin
this week's exploration in New Jersey high new Joy Easy
would say, I guess I always hear him saying that
in my head. No, Joy Easy, I don't know why
he watched way way too much of that HBO show
(04:02):
Holds The one sopranos okay, was that it I've never
eard mentioned it Okay, okay, it is a really good
it is in his defense, it is a fantastic show
and the Pine Barrens episode is really good. Yeah, so
I want to thank him for turning me onto that show.
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Actually for sure. Um so, yeah, let's go to New Jersey.
It is not a message that comes to us necessarily
from New Jersey. It comes from Taylor, who I did
have the pleasure of speaking with for a bit. She
just happened to be scrolling on TikTok when she discovered
something and she called in and told us about it. Hi. UM,
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so my name is Taylor. Feel free to use my
name in this message. UM. I wanted to talk about
Colonial High School in Colonia, New Jersey. So basically what
is happening there is that there seems to be in
a normally high rate of people UM who had the
same type of brain tumor um so that would be
glioblastoma multiforme. So this is being detected in high rates
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among students and staff UM that have attended or worked
at the school over time. The school was built in
the sixties, so this is definitely a longitude and all
type of discovery is not just current students and it's
not just people from a certain time in the past.
I first thought out about this on TikTok, of all places, UM,
and I've seen a lot of things about it on
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Reddit as well. UM. In the comments on both of
those things, do you see a lot of people being like, Yeah,
my uncle went here and he had this. Oh my
my sister had this. I know people. So it seems
like it's very present in those types of UM platforms.
And then when I tried to look up the news articles,
I really could only find in terms of mainstream news, UM,
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something from CBS News and today I talked about it.
The rest seemed to be more local, smaller outlets UM.
But even so, in these articles they seemed to become
talking about the same type of idea that there's some
type of environmental factor happening. Maybe something to do with
the land the school is built on. UM. I'm not
really sure. So that's why I think you guys maybe
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want to talk about this so you find it interesting.
Maybe there's still other similar situations that have happened where
there's pockets of exposure. UM. But I just kind of
feel like it's not really being discussed. It seems like
there are preliminary tests um happening, but I have not
seen any results of those tests published or talked about
really in any capacity. It seems a little suspicious if
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you ask me. I don't know, so I figured who
else is These guys are perfectly quick to talk about this,
and I will say, leaving a voicemail is a little
harder than it seems, so props to everyone else who's
left one before me. That I think sounds a little
bit more composed than I do. So hopefully that speaks
to you guys interest. Um, thanks get up the good
work by oh nice, well done. I never asked her
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why it was harder to leave a voicemail than she expected.
I don't know why. It's literally been and so music
and then it goes beep and you talk. It should
be easy, well, people, people don't react super well to
being put on the spot, you know. Earlier, earlier, I
had advised folks to not be afraid of taking You
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and I both talked about this back in the day
when we first had the voicemail rolling out. Make a
little bullet point list, you know, and you could just
read off the bullet points right. But regardless when when
you contact us, folks, Please don't feel like you're in
anything but safe hands. You know where we've got your back,
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and that Matt in particular, as you're back as I
as I said earlier, and also Taylor, I would say
that was a really well done voicemail. Yeah I was. Yeah, absolutely,
So let's get into this. Let's what let's talk about
what Taylor just hipped us to. Oh wow, I'm old. Okay,
So let's head on out to Colonial Worry. I'm sorry
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I have to interrupt because you know, I don't understand
these things. Is saying hip dust too? Is that an old?
Is that archaic? Now? I don't know. I think so?
Maybe not? Is it? Uh? Did I? Okay? Okay, never mind,
let us know. Let us let us know if that's
an old figure of speech, because we we don't. But
New Joysey to Colonial High School, Home of the Fighting Patriots.
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I've added the fighting there for everybody. It's a school
that was built in nineteen sixties seven, and according to
CBS News and several other places, as Taylor mentioned, there,
there is something rotten going on. Whether or not it
actually has anything to do with the high School that
is left to be found but there's definitely something happening
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in that area. Let's jump to March, all the way
back to March when CBS News via Meg Baker, who
was writing for them, reported former Woodbridge, New Jersey the
Residents says sixty five people who either attended or worked
at Colonial High School have had rare brain tumors. Mm hmmm.
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And there's an interview here with a gentleman named al
Lupiano l U p I A n O. He is
the person, the primary person who has been looking into
this and performing the research, talking to people, gathering all
of the intel. He's an environmental scientist and he had
confirmed as of that date, sixty five individual cases of
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people with with rare brain tumors. And the only common
denominator that he was able to ascertain at that time
was the high school itself. And he was actually diagnosed
with a brain tumor one of these. It was over
twenty years ago, so around two thousand two when he
was diagnosed, and he still suffers from issues from that,
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according to CBS. And he it's not like it's just him.
His sister, who also attended the school, was diagnosed with
a brain tumor as well. As his wife. His like, seriously,
think about that, you, your spouse, and your sibling all
diagnosed with a brain tumor. His sister, unfortunately, was diagnosed
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with iglioblastoma and she passed away um at least as
of the reporting that was done. Then context note context,
not only five of brain tumors may be linked to
hereditary genetic factors, So the odds against that are fairly significant. Yeah,
they are. And then you bring in the other sixty
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two people that he had identified, and you know, your
your mind starts reeling, Wow, what is happening here? What
is the common denominator? What what's occurring? Um? So Al
has just been on a mission since he made this discovery,
like figure out what this is and get some action done.
It's it's pretty awesome actually, And Al, I don't if
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you're listening or not, but if you're, this is you're
doing great work. Man. Thank you for doing what you're doing.
And I'm gonna read you a quote from Al within
this article. Quote. What I find alarming is there's truly
only one environmental link to primary brain tumors like this.
I added that like this, and that's ionizing radiation. It's
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not contaminated water. It's not air, it's not something in
the soil, it's not something done to us due to
bad habits. It's ionizing radiation. So this is according to
Al who's an environmental scientist. Uh, this is somebody who
has had brain cancer for over twenty years. This is uh,
somebody coming at this from a very scientific perspective. And
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so if you think about ionizing radiation, that's probably something
in an environment, in a building, in a place where
you have been a lot, because you there's gonna be
a lot of ionizing radiation required in order to create
that kind of tumor. Right, it's not just a one dose.
Now you've got a tumor kind of thing. So Al
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Lupiano started saying, well, maybe it is this school. Maybe
that's what the problem is. So we had a target, right,
a potential thing to research to study, and started down
that path. And immediately there's a response here from Woodbridge
Mayor John McCormick that I want to read to you.
It's also in that CBS article quote it was virgin Land,
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it was woods The high school was the first thing
to be there, So there was probably nothing in the
ground at the time. The only thing that could have
happened potentially was phil that was brought in during construction.
And here's the last part of that quote. We have
no records fifty five years ago. Now, what the mayor
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is saying here is that potentially, if there wasn't some
kind of factor that was producing ionizing radiation, the only thing,
according to him, that it could be is the dirt
in the land that was brought in to you know
what he's calling phil the stuff that you add in
order to get certain elevations, whether you're going up or down,
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to make a building fit into you know, the place
where you're putting it. Ben, I just really quickly want
to pause here for a moment, because when I hear,
especially a school like this, something bad is happening in
an environment where a lot of people are gathering. Often
I think about those environmental factors that are supposedly not
playing a part in the issue here. I think about
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the water source, right, like lead pipes. Maybe something that's
uh that all of the kids and people working there
would consume the air. Maybe something got into the ventilation
system and has been there for a long time. Maybe
the building materials we're causing some kind of problem like asbestos.
I don't think about ionizing radiation or you know, radioactive
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stuff that could be causing this. And I think the
three main factors of ionized radiation or ionizing radiation are well,
broadly put, it's radiation from Earth, it's radiation from space,
and then radiation from building materials. So I think you
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might be on to something, my friend, Well, I think so.
It feels like it, right. But remember we're back in March,
late March of this year, so if you jump forward
in time just a little bit to May fourth, there's
another story from CBS that again is about al Lupiano,
and you know his mission that he's on at that time.
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He's discovered over a hundred and fifteen people that have
a link with the school again, attended there or worked
there at some point in their life. He's getting he's
got more than two thousand people at this time to
sign a change dot or petition. It's becoming a bigger
and bigger story. There's more of an alarm going off
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in the local area about this. More and more people
who have had a family member with a brain tumor
who attended the school are realizing, oh wow, this is
a thing. The story is growing at this point, and
it grows enough to where there's some actual action being
taken by Woodbridge and the government there. This is fascinating
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because it's fascinating a very bad way. Taylor, You're correct,
there's what I would consider longitudinal evidence here. Uh. One
thing that I think we should point out, just to
put this in context, is that overall, if you live
in the US, your chances of developing a malignant tumor
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of not only the brain, but the spinal cord as
well sometime in your lifetime is less than one percent. Further,
I would add, there is this pretty compelling evidence from
cancer dot org and one of their studies that indicates
the rate of or the incident rate as it's called
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for malignant brain or general CNS central nervous system tumors,
has been in decline from two thousand eight to seventeen.
So there is something different about this place. It's still
it feels like it's still sort of a who done it?
But there's definitely something there. We just need to figure
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out what exactly it is. And here's where the twist
comes in. Ben studies were done on the school. The
story grew enough to where they actually took action. There's
an environmental study at the high school on the campus,
on the interior and exterior of the campus, anywhere where
students and staff would be roaming in like just existing
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for long periods of time. And here's a quote from
an article from the NBC news outlet there in the
in the area. Today, we are very happy to announce
at our extensive testing for both radon and radiation in
the interior and exterior of the school produced no evidence
of any cancer causing hazards that warrant further investigation. That
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comes from Mayor John McCormick. And I'm pretty sure correct
me if I'm off base here, Matt, but I'm pretty
sure this school is still open. It is right now.
They should be out for summer break, but the school
itself is is still open. Yeah, I attempted to call
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the school, but I'm pretty sure staff was just you know,
not there in the office to even accept a call.
Um gonna probably continue calling just to ask questions, even
though the school itself isn't gonna have any information. It's
going to be the bodies you know that the mayor hired,
probably to do the testing. This school probably also cannot
legally comment to someone like you or me about this. Yeah,
(17:57):
I'm trying to get somebody who would be able to, right,
but I probably have to go to some kind of
superintendent or something. I don't want to do that. But
this is this is the thing. People are not happy
in the local area, especially people who have been affected
by this. They think, uh, something is wrong, something isn't
being looked at. And it is true. It wasn't an
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extensive study. They didn't, you know, they look for radioactivity,
specifically that ionizing radiation that has mentioned there, the thing
that causes these types of cancers. But they didn't test
the water, they didn't test the air, they didn't test
any of the other stuff. But it shouldn't those things
shouldn't be a factor, so not testing them shouldn't be
a problem. Right. It's very puzzling. And to me, what
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it states is that there's some other place that is
a factor in this that just hasn't been you know,
identified yet, someplace in that general area that everybody goes
to at least once or a couple of times in
their life, some sort of intervening variable, right, some there's
got to be some kind of public public good. Yeah, absolutely,
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and I know Lupiano partnered with some folks to administer
free brain scans. This feels like an episode kind of
on the case here now, yes, good, that's well, that's
the best place that we could be. Honestly, that's how
that's how we figure stuff out here on this show.
At least we get excited because you send us something generally,
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and now we just can't stop thinking about it until
we get to the bottom of it. So thank you
so much Taylor for sending this to us. You can
read more about this and a lot of the local outlets.
The latest reporting I could find is from late May
early like very very early June. So if you read
or see anything new, we'd love to hear from you,
please reach out to us. For now, we're gonna take
(19:49):
a break here from a sponsor, but we'll be right
back with more messages from you and we've returned. Before
we move on, I do want to point out that
I'm reaching out to al Lupiano via social media, So
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if you know him, or if you are him real
in contact with him, let him know, let him know
to check his messages. This is this is the part
where my ears twitched, my nose starts tingling, you know
what I mean, and what passes from my heart beats
a little. So now now speaking of strange, uh, strange, funny,
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disturbing things. Uh, Matt, I've been getting really into seafood,
despite the fact that the marine systems are collapsing around us,
or maybe partially because of it. I I want to
ask you if you've ever heard of a little something
called the bone fish. All one word, not bone fish grill. Yeah,
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that's that's literally where my brain went. Um, the bone fish.
It sounds naughty, but I like it. Tell me about it.
It probably you know. It makes me think that if
Sublime had been able to stay together longer, ultimately they
would have released something called bone fish. Well. Uh, the
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bone fish describes usually a thing called albula volt base
and it is it could be pretty big fish. Uh,
it's not ever gonna be as like popular as salmon,
and there are a couple of different ways to eat it, etcetera, etcetera.
But I started learning a lot about the bone fish,
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in particular thanks to someone who reached out to me
at ben Bowling on Instagram. Uh, and I've got a
lot of our fellow conspiracy realist. I want to thank
you for reaching reach out to me on Instagram and
read every email we get. Matt does too, but it's
some times it's a little bit easier for me to
keep track of things. Uh. And we always try to
(22:05):
preserve an anonymity, but in this case, my friend and
we had a conversation about this. In this case, my
apologies to you because I couldn't I couldn't find your
name and credit is very important to me. So please
please please reach out as soon as you hear this
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and just say, hey, sol, I'm the guy who told
you about those bone fish and I will shout you
out on air because you deserve it, and you took
the time to write to our show, regardless of the avenue.
We are grateful for it. Here's the story, Matt. Bone
fish are not just uh you know, pretty delicious, uh,
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a little kind of fish for seafood fans. If you're
off the coast of Florida, you're gonna find that they're
also on drugs. As our soon to be non anonymous
Instagram pal of my and hipped me to this. Uh.
It turns out that there was a study released that
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found dozens of pharmaceutical drugs. We're indating the blood and
tissue of fish off the coast of South Florida, and
we're talking multiple things. The some of the stuff that
people consider fun, like valium, some of the stuff people
consider necessary, like antidepressants and blood pressure meds. I want
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to shout out Nick Castillo. It was a scientist with
the Florida International University and the bone Fish and Tarpon
Trust who broke down some of this study, which you
can read about in multiple sources now. Costillo says, we
found pharmaceuticals everywhere and there was no place where basically
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a fish could be unexposed to pharmaceuticals, and that was
a surprise, Matt. They tested nine three bone fish in
particular as part of this study across three years, and
of the three they tested, three were found to have
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drugs in their system. So yes, fish drug tester thing now.
And it wasn't just one drug per fish. It wasn't like, oh,
the one one fish was getting high. The average number
of drugs found and the bodies of each of these
fish was seven seven different drugs pharmaceutical drugs. Some had
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as many as sixteen distinctly different types of drugs in
their system. Wow, and then you mentioned you mentioned several
types of drugs. I don't want to be agist in
any way. This is my personal experience. Most of the
travel I've done in Florida, or to Florida rather was
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to is it grandparents to hang out in, you know,
communities that are specifically retirement communities. Um. Many of the
drugs described sound like, I don't mean to be ages.
It sounds like retirement community medications. Right. Didn't you say
blood thinners and uh, all kinds of stuff like the
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big one, Yeah, antidepressants, um, and also prostrate treatment medications.
You're going to back you up on this one, that
antibiotics paying relievers. The news release that the news release
that I found on this uh, straight from Florida International University,
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paints a a sobering picture of this because what they
found was a contamination cycle leading through the food chain.
Bone Fish eat other fish and eat crabs and eat shrimp,
and the abs, the shrimp, the fish that are prey
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for the bone fish, were also found to have these
substances in them. And you've nailed it because you have
to look at the demographics here, right again, not being agist,
not that it really needs to be said, but clearly
we're just following the facts here. The smart money right
now is on the idea that bone fish and other
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animals in the ecosystem are encountering these substances by interacting
with human waste. There are right now, every year in
the United States alone, about five billion prescriptions filled, and
there are no environmental regulations for their disposal of pharmaceuticals.
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It is the wild, doped up West. The contaminants in
the in this problem usually come from human waste water,
and your typical waste treatment plant isn't and a filter
for that sort of stuff. It doesn't really exist to
a wastewater filtration algorithm. They're just not built to think
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about that. But the issue is those things, those substances
are powerful, They remain active, they can be released constantly,
and exposure can affect all aspects of fish behavior. We
don't exactly know how far it goes, we being the scientists,
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but we know that it has negative and negative consequences
on things like reproduction, things like odds of survival to
the extent of their natural lifespan. Also, these things can
in other parts of the world. We know that they
can affect fish feeding, their interactions with other fish, and
their migratory behavior. This has led the researchers of this
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study to say Florida needs to expand and modernize wastewater
treatment facilities and sewage infrastructure a cross the state. Initial
question for me was does this affect the human consumer?
Which was admitted admittedly a very self centered thing to ask.
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But does does it affect you know, it's a question
anybody in Florida would ask green this headline, Does that?
Does this affect me? Right? Do we not have to
pay for medications anymore? Do we just eat local seafood? Right? Right?
I can't. I can't afford my prescription, So I guess
I'll become a pesctarian. Is that that? Yeah? You know?
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I also thought of mercury level warnings, which were really,
you know, really common thing. Uh. Several years ago, people
were warned to watch their consumption of certain maritime wildlife,
with the idea being that it could lead to mercury contamination.
There's some stuff that really alarmed the scientists here, including
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Jennifer Hodge or jag R e h A G. E.
A Coastal and Phish ecologists An associate professor at the university.
Not for nothing did she say these findings are incredibly alarming. Quote,
pharmaceuticals are an invisible threat, unlike al algiel blooms or
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turbid waters. Yet these results tell us that they are
a formidable threat to our fisheries and highlight the pressing
need to address our longstanding wastewater infrastructure issues. Do we
talk about it all the time? No one cares about infrastructure, really,
it doesn't get the votes, it's boring to talk about.
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It's not a problem with a human face, right, And
if it's not a problem with a human face or
like a celebrity attached to it, then people don't really
care until the bridges start collapsing, right until the water
coming out of the faucet turns the wrong color or
catches on fire. Uh. And it's not a profit center either, right,
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So there's there's just no real incentive besides just not
wanting to have your things break in your city. And
yet it happens all the time. And this is what's
blowing my mind here. Man. The ocean is big, dude,
The ocean is so big. How many drugs have to
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be there to be detectable in one hundred of the
fish they looked at. Yeah, it's it's got to be
coming directly out of that wastewater, right and pooling I
guess in there, because it's not like it would dissipate
fully into the ocean, right, it would be in a
localized area. Still, you have clouds of these things, of
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these pharmaceuticals floating around. But it's still. Yeah, it's gross
and awful and something must be done. Rabble rabble, rabble rebel. Yeah,
it's I mean, I'm a percent with you. This is
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also calling into question other possible implications. How does this
affect humans? Right are you if you eat enough, do
you get functionally a dose of this kind of stuff?
Where is it? Is it simply a matter of trace amounts?
What does this mean for the future? Or as one
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clever redditor put it, and please beat me here, Paul,
doesn't mean that our world is so that even the
fish need antidepressants. I don't. I don't know what fish
healthcare is like. Uh, it's like the rest of the ocean.
It's probably not very good. But it's a bigger problem too.
And this is what this is why fellow Instagram guy
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we gotta, we gotta talk about this some more because
I looked into larger context things, right, systemic things. Puget
Sound also has high rates of drug presence in the salmon.
They're like, this is not just happening in Florida. This
is not a case of you know, quote unquote Florida
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man just purposely drugging fish. You know, for Florida fish
seeks local supply of viagara in his water. I don't know.
I don't think viagra was one of the things they found,
but I can imagine. Yeah, And you know, it's no
secret that different creatures in the water. It's so laughing
(32:36):
about the viagara idea that different creatures in the water
are already enduring um incredible hardships. Right and again, the
question so often asked by the human species is well,
what does that mean for me? What does that have
to do with me? Right? It will. The dominoes may
(32:58):
seem far away, but they all make the others fall.
When you think about it, it's just a matter of time.
That's how that's how ecosystems and biomas work. So for
some of us in the crowd today, it might be
you know, a laughable story kind of like, oh, hey,
that's that's extra value if I buy the bone fish.
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And we hate to be the bearer of bad news,
but the bone fish, legally speaking, is catch and release
only in Florida, which means you're just gonna have to
keep buying drugs the good old fashioned way from your
shady friend of a friend. I'm kidding, that's unfair. These
are pharmaceutical drugs, so you should be getting a prescription
to obtain these. But you know that it reminds me
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of Matt. Over the years, you and I have seen
multiple stories of other widespread contaminants in what would be
considered public space, like a ton of cocaine and the
water in Italy or specific Italian towns, a ton of
feces on paper currency. By the way, the last time
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you touched uh paper bill in the United States, there's
a chance you were rubbing on some poop. That's why
I launder all my money. We launder all our money
through fine art and and this book we wrote help
us launder money. No no, no, no, no no, we'll see,
(34:34):
we'll see if if Matt and Legal let me get
away with that one. But uh, but the point of
the matter is that these sorts of things don't often
don't get examined as deeply as they should because they
may not have immediately harmful effects to people to the
what about you know, how does this matter to me? Species? Uh?
(34:57):
And the fact that those things are not immediately damaging
doesn't mean that they're not damaging. It doesn't mean they're benign,
nor does it mean they're neutral. It means they may
well have a danger inaggregant cumulating over time. So with this,
I am going to pause us for a word from
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to everyone that we're about to play here. Uh. You
have very interesting things to say and we can't wait
to share them with everyone else. Way more interesting than
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the sidebar. I guess their ads or there are more
from CNN articles I'm getting from this other article I'm
looking at. I just want to let everyone know this
is the kind of important stuff that you're gonna find.
Michael B. Jordan's who's an actor, and apparently Lorie Harvey,
who's I guess. I don't know what she does. But
they split up, and according to this headline, Steve Harvey
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says he's team Lorie, and I guess that's because he's
Laurie's father. I don't even I don't know. Good, good call, Steve. Sorry.
I was trying to make a joke about how stupid
the news is, but I didn't even do it. Control
his death said, uh, yes, he is Lori's father. I
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don't Harvey is because I know his stand up comedy.
But you know, I'm unplugged from the celebrity stuff. Man.
I think that's a job, right, right right? Anyway, Yeah,
it hurts my head. Let's keep it at mass starvation
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looming in Somalia. But who wore what to wear? Well?
But Steve Harvey, his team his daughter so great. Okay, alright,
so take take that widespread starvation. Okay, here we go.
Let's jump to a message we got from one Sean.
I'm not gonna set this up too much. Let's just
(37:31):
play it and respond to it. This is Sean marsh
again from Long Island. I am the U S veteran.
I served in the US during ninety one. I'm considered
a war veteran. I was in Berlin, Germany before I
took the world totally down. So um, my job I
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had was actually most coding in conception with cryptologic specialists.
My title was night hotel. Back in the old days
there was a five hotels. They're called just hobbs. Anyway,
my question, really, the one I really wanted to talk
to you all about, was I listened to your episode
(38:16):
on mad cow disease. I am a person who unfortunately
is affected by the bad understanding of the disease. I
was told when I got out of service because I
was in Germany between eighty nine and ninety one. They
were I'll break some mad cow disease and I can
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no longer ever give blood. I don't claim understand this,
since I was very proud of me to give blood
because I have a rare blood type. My blood type
is a B positive, so I think maybe negative is
the rarest, but I used to allow to give ut
(39:00):
before I went all those says. I understand how you
can say that I'm dangerous when you have no way
to test the mag How do it? And if I
had such a bad disease, I don't think I would
make it the one in which I've made it now.
Once again, I'm a veteran, So if there any more
information on this particular copy, I would love to hear it. First,
(39:26):
thank you sir for taking the time to write too
well to call us, you know, to contact us, I
should say, and uh. Secondly, we have we have a
little bit of an answer. And the answer, at least
in my mind, Matt, the answer is really one of
(39:46):
airing on the side of caution. Yes, do well, I
don't want, Ben, Let's just let's just say what the
answer is. I found a couple of articles in just
briefly searching about this when it comes to new tests
that have been develop lipped over the past seven years
or so, where it's it's blood screenings for mad cow
disease and crayons, things like that crux filled Jacob disease,
(40:11):
um several things here. So just what Ben, what have
you found? So? Yeah, the mad cow disease is the
street name, the friendly, the media friendly name for disease
that has a couple of actual names. In cows, it's
called bovine sponge ofform encephalopathy, but in humans it's called
(40:35):
variant Krutzfield Jacob disease, like you just described, Matt. So
it can be a little bit it can be a
little bit confusing. The symptoms are similar regardless of which
mammal is infected, and those symptoms go down to a
little thing called prions, which everyone can remember from the
(40:58):
excellent X Files episode Matt at Hazard. That's when you
and I both learned about this. Is that correct, absolutely?
Or was that one of the movies it was? It
was Curu. I think it's the episode Our Town. Okay, yep, yeah, okay, So, Sean.
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One of the one of the most important things to
know here about Red Cross donation and how that affects
the ability to donate blood or to not be allowed
to do it, is that first, these organizations they're doing
mission critical work, humanity needs them, but they're also terrified
(41:45):
of being a vector for any sort of infection. Right.
The idea of someone um, for instance, having a blood
borne disease like HIV, which leads to AIDS, and then
having someone received a blood transfusion and now contract in
that disease. That is part of why they are so
risk averse, because they they are numerous successes, and all
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the work that they do around the clock every year
will get ignored in favor of reporting one situation where
things go wrong. So that's kind of what that's the
scrutiny under which they labor. The second aspect of this
is that they know these prions can be communicated through
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donated blood, regardless of whether or not the donor shows
any signs of disease, and they're basing this decision on
precedent not here in the US, but in the United Kingdom,
where blood transfusions gave a relatively small number of people
mad cow disease. I think it only it happened to
four people, but I don't want to say only, because
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of course they contracted it. And in addition to being
risk converse, I would argue that um, there's also a
bit of the um the inertia of institutions at work here.
You know, for a long time there was a ban
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on people donating blood due to their do entirely and
only to their sexual orientation, the assumption being that those people,
due to their orientation, would somehow be more likely to
transmit blood borne diseases. And this this was enormously controversial.
(43:38):
You remember hearing about this, right, Matt, Yeah, Ben, Ben,
I had heard that. What's really weird to me, Ben,
is that Sean in this instance just happened to be
in Germany at a time when there were several outbreaks,
and since that time, at least for a lot of
Sean's life, there's been no good way to test if
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Sean actually was affected by this thing. Uh, it's just
because of where he was at that time that he
cannot give blood and he can't even I'm assuming he
can't confirm at this moment whether he has been affected
by it or not. Um, I'd want to know if
there's a way. I'm not seeing it right now, but
if there's a way for Sean specifically to get tested
(44:21):
for it. Unfortunately, the only current method to test for
human born mad cow disease is post mortem, perform post
mortem analysis of the brain, or you could um perform
a biopsy, but it's a it's a medical priority right
(44:44):
now to create a non invasive test that can detect
prions in the blood. But there is some good news, Sean,
that research is highly prioritized right now, and it's being
priorities at such a high level because the US is
(45:04):
encountering what vampires would call a blood crisis, well vampires
and regular humans. It's the worst blood shortage in more
than a decade. So especially people with rare blood types
like you, Sean um you, you would be prized. And
these organizations are risk averse because of the constraints that
(45:27):
we just described. But they're pushing. They being senators and
power structures and Congress. They're pushing for more research funding
to allow more people to give blood, and they're also
pushing for the FDA to change its policy on restricting
(45:48):
people from giving blood due to their orientation. And this
this is something that we should, I mean talk about
in a full episode Man blood donate a Sian plasma donation.
H We just didn't have time to hit it when
we were doing our Body Brokers episode. Well, you know
(46:09):
another thing, Ben, I don't want to get too far
away from that conversation. It's just Seawan's message about who
he was and what he did in some of the
Morse Code, cryptography and some of that stuff like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I want to talk about that. I want to know
more about that. That sounds. But for now, hey, Sean,
I think we're gonna we're gonna leave it there, and
(46:31):
you know, always feel free to call back. We want
to hear from you again, right to us. Uh, We're
gonna jump to one more, one or two more messages,
just really quickly here to get some opinions and statements.
So let's jump quickly to Jordan's. Oh and as are
really on Jordan's one last note, Sean, thanks for being
one of the good guys man. Um more people should
(46:52):
donate blood. I don't want to even make a vampire joke.
I can't have my blood. That's you know. Here we go,
here's j Hi then Matt, now all this is Jordan's um.
I have been a long time listener, first time caller,
(47:13):
and I was listening to your podcast episode on wealth,
the Wealthy and Taxes, and I wanted to pose mybe
a doubles advocate. Uh idea, although I agree with the
whole CEOs and executives and that sort of seeing being
able to kind of this scave those high tax brackets.
(47:34):
They should be pain I wanted to mention. I think
then it was your friend who has to set in
rental properties, and I want to just think I wanted
you all to think about like generational wealth myself. I'm sorry. One.
I have a have a two year old daughter, and
we started in our early twenties. You know, we bought
our house, we worked to get out of sta and
(47:55):
all that sort of thing, and we're working to build
her wealth because I know it's not going to happen
in my in my lifetime, but maybe by the time
I'm sixty years seventy will be a good chunk of
of generational wealth for her. But I don't want her
to have to pay taxes on it. Like I get
the tax rates. When I get that, maybe some of
the wealthy are a little bit crooked, But um, I've
(48:16):
already paid taxes over all the stuff that I've thought.
I've already paid taxes on my income, on my houses,
all that thurs thing. I don't think it's fair for
my daughter to have to pay taxes again on that, um,
especially as an inheritance tax or the best tax of
you guys called it. So I'd love to hear your
hands a box on that, because although corporations and companies
(48:39):
are very corrupt in those cases, I don't think I'm
corrupt and I won't just want to provide uh last
thing where to see from my daughter. So I love
the show, Love you guys, can't wait here for me.
Thank you, Jordan. I'm I'm so glad someone called in
for this mat because it's true. We have to be
very clear that when uh, we're talking about wealthy people
(49:03):
rigging the game, we're talking about a level of wealth
that few are the one percent of people across the
span of human history have ever attained. And Jordan makes
such a good point. I I left her a message.
I didn't get to actually talk to her, but it
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really did make me think about my son and what
what do I want to do? What I what I
want to provide for him? And will I be able
to do that ever? And if I do get you know,
when I'm sixty or seventy, if I make it that far, like,
what does he actually get? And what is the government
get out of that? You know what it's a taking
(49:44):
because unless you attain you know, a very very very
um rarefied and threshold of success again one the very
few people can attain by design. By the way, then
you do still have likelihood of your government wherever you live,
(50:06):
taking a chunk out of it, and part of that,
arguably it could be by design to help filter to
run a scrimmage line, preventing people from accumulating more intergenerational wealth.
It's it's a fascinating subject, and maybe it's a topic
for an episode in the future. But Jordan's I, like Matt,
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I tremendously appreciate that point. And you know, here in
the States especially, there are a lot of people who
would look at someone who has, you know, who has
some assets and say, oh, that person's rich. But you know,
(50:50):
like Chris Rock said, there's a difference between rich and wealthy, right,
and it's important. And you know, most of those people,
by the way, our own, our own friends and family,
don't consider themselves rich. They're still busting their humps every day,
usually for their kids. Uh. And I don't know, Matt,
you can probably speak to it more eloquently than me.
(51:11):
But yeah, I am really glad that Jordan reached out
to us here. Thank you, seriously, Jordans for for calling
and give me us with that perspective, let's jump to
one last message and then we'll be out of here,
because at this point most of you are probably asleep.
We're still driving. Okay, here we go. Hello. My name
(51:34):
is Becca. Um, I've heard I can't remember what episode
it was, but you guys said something about whoever's driving. Oh,
I bet somebody listens to this when they can't fall asleep,
and somebody made a joke like, oh, I can't fall
asleep with all those guys, and I wanted to let
you know that, Um, one of those people does exist,
(51:54):
and it's me. I cannot fall asleep without you guys.
I listened to an episode every Not Out of My Life,
and I set the timer on my Spotify to end
of the episode, and a lot of times I get
upset that I didn't get to hear the rest, so
I just have to listen to it over and over
and over until eventually I finished the episode. Um, but yeah,
I want to let you know we exist and I
(52:16):
can't think about you guys. You guys are my favorite podcast.
I also can't drive about you guys. So thank you
for making the podcasts. Oh wow, thank you. Dangerous Dangerous
Combination Becca, if you if you associate us with sleeping,
but then you're also driving whilst listening to the thing
you associate with sleeping, I hope you're I don't know,
(52:39):
consuming caffeine or something while you're driving too, or put
or put us as the first playlist in your autonomous car.
Uh seriously, Bega, thank you so much. I I've joked
about this since I read the reviews where I think
I'm the one who mentioned this now where there were
people who would say I love this show. I I
(53:01):
can't go to sleep without it. And I think that's great, honestly,
because a lot our individual lives are always shaped by
rituals of different sorts. I have a lot. I know
that you have several met and and if we are
part of your life in that way, then that's awesome.
(53:22):
Thank you. You know, um, I wonder what I wonder
when we're going to do that a SMR episode. I
I don't know we should, but I am going to
start putting secret messages in to this like every episode
from now on, They're going to be secret messages for
people right towards the end here who are falling asleep,
(53:43):
and it's gonna be like it's gonna be dream inception
infection kind of stuff. Oh, it's going to be good.
Can I team up with you on that? Yeah, we're
doing it right now. We are the Blue Door, the
Blue Door, all right. And with that, thank you so
(54:06):
much to everybody who's been calling in. Again. As Ben said,
we're going through the voicemails. Were about halfway through May.
Almost there. Uh. We're gonna keep doing that and we'll
be calling you back and putting you in more of
these episodes. Thank you for reaching out to us in
every way that you possibly can. Because you've been doing it,
we appreciate it. We can't thank you enough, but we
(54:28):
will try so. Thank you. Sean Jordan's Becca Taylor. And look,
if you're listening, if we talked about the fish on Instagram,
I feel so bad and I only have like three
feelings a year. Reach out. Let me let me make
this right. We try to be easy to find on line. Uh, Matt,
(54:52):
let's see, we got the Facebook, we got the Twitter.
That's not enough. We got the the YouTube's the Instagram's
conspiracy stuff is some derivation thereof all across all across
your inter tubes. But wait, you might be saying I've
been eating all these fish too high right now to
hop on social media, that's like a permanent record thing.
(55:16):
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My name is Matt. They called me Ben. We're joined
as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade.
Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that
makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
You know, for a long time now, we've been putting
out two episodes a week. Back in the day, Matt,
(00:47):
you and I were putting out a ton of YouTube
videos every week. Uh, and it was this was back
when it was one of the only things that you
and I did. But still we are grateful as always
for the best part of the show, which is you,
if you're listening now, our fellow listeners and conspiracy realists.
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And in between these episodes, we like to do a
listener mail segment every week where we can hear from you,
we can share your stories with each other. So, um, Matt,
you and I kind of divide and conquer on these things,
you know, I will I will have conversations with a
(01:30):
lot of people on show social media or on my
own Twitter and Instagram, and you, my friend, credit where
it's due. You know, it's very important to me at
least credits where it's due. You run point. I help
out sometimes I help like the kid in the Shake
and Bait commercials, But you run points on on our
(01:50):
voicemail que and uh, we love it. You also call
people back. We've talked about this on the show before,
and I want to be clear here with everybody. Our
voicemail stuff is about I would say nine three percent,
Matt Frederick, and that is me being very kind to me,
(02:11):
you know whatever, whatever, I'm just saying thank you in
my way, I'm trying to say thank you. Well. I
do it for my own personal reasons because I love
calling somebody from this number that they don't have in
their phone, that they generally wouldn't pick up on, and
then when they do pick up they always have the reaction,
(02:31):
why are you calling me? And it's glorious And one day,
you know, one day, once I get past some stuff
in my personal life, I I may also end up
calling people. But there have been a few times, Matt,
where you have you've reached out to me, and you said, Okay,
we need to talk to this person together, and and yeah,
(02:52):
and those conversations are always very rewarding. But you know,
we've been clear from day one that this show doesn't
exist without you, fellow listeners. All the other stuff aside,
This is your show as much as it is ours,
and this is where we really put our money. Where
mouths are, your ears are something something something, Okay, Anyway, anyway,
(03:18):
here we go. We're going to explore We're going to
explore disturbing story out of New Jersey. We're going to
explore a story that starts with a funny headline and
then goes to some really dangerous stuff over off the
coast of Florida. And then we're gonna end with a
quick little cavalcade of voicemails that really stood out to
(03:40):
the both of us. Matt, I propose that we begin
this week's exploration in New Jersey high new Joy Easy
would say, I guess I always hear him saying that
in my head. No, Joy Easy, I don't know why
he watched way way too much of that HBO show
(04:02):
Holds The one sopranos okay, was that it I've never
eard mentioned it Okay, okay, it is a really good
it is in his defense, it is a fantastic show
and the Pine Barrens episode is really good. Yeah, so
I want to thank him for turning me onto that show.
(04:23):
Actually for sure. Um so, yeah, let's go to New Jersey.
It is not a message that comes to us necessarily
from New Jersey. It comes from Taylor, who I did
have the pleasure of speaking with for a bit. She
just happened to be scrolling on TikTok when she discovered
something and she called in and told us about it. Hi. UM,
(04:46):
so my name is Taylor. Feel free to use my
name in this message. UM. I wanted to talk about
Colonial High School in Colonia, New Jersey. So basically what
is happening there is that there seems to be in
a normally high rate of people UM who had the
same type of brain tumor um so that would be
glioblastoma multiforme. So this is being detected in high rates
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among students and staff UM that have attended or worked
at the school over time. The school was built in
the sixties, so this is definitely a longitude and all
type of discovery is not just current students and it's
not just people from a certain time in the past.
I first thought out about this on TikTok, of all places, UM,
and I've seen a lot of things about it on
(05:29):
Reddit as well. UM. In the comments on both of
those things, do you see a lot of people being like, Yeah,
my uncle went here and he had this. Oh my
my sister had this. I know people. So it seems
like it's very present in those types of UM platforms.
And then when I tried to look up the news articles,
I really could only find in terms of mainstream news, UM,
(05:49):
something from CBS News and today I talked about it.
The rest seemed to be more local, smaller outlets UM.
But even so, in these articles they seemed to become
talking about the same type of idea that there's some
type of environmental factor happening. Maybe something to do with
the land the school is built on. UM. I'm not
really sure. So that's why I think you guys maybe
(06:10):
want to talk about this so you find it interesting.
Maybe there's still other similar situations that have happened where
there's pockets of exposure. UM. But I just kind of
feel like it's not really being discussed. It seems like
there are preliminary tests um happening, but I have not
seen any results of those tests published or talked about
really in any capacity. It seems a little suspicious if
(06:31):
you ask me. I don't know, so I figured who
else is These guys are perfectly quick to talk about this,
and I will say, leaving a voicemail is a little
harder than it seems, so props to everyone else who's
left one before me. That I think sounds a little
bit more composed than I do. So hopefully that speaks
to you guys interest. Um, thanks get up the good
work by oh nice, well done. I never asked her
(06:54):
why it was harder to leave a voicemail than she expected.
I don't know why. It's literally been and so music
and then it goes beep and you talk. It should
be easy, well, people, people don't react super well to
being put on the spot, you know. Earlier, earlier, I
had advised folks to not be afraid of taking You
(07:19):
and I both talked about this back in the day
when we first had the voicemail rolling out. Make a
little bullet point list, you know, and you could just
read off the bullet points right. But regardless when when
you contact us, folks, Please don't feel like you're in
anything but safe hands. You know where we've got your back,
(07:40):
and that Matt in particular, as you're back as I
as I said earlier, and also Taylor, I would say
that was a really well done voicemail. Yeah I was. Yeah, absolutely,
So let's get into this. Let's what let's talk about
what Taylor just hipped us to. Oh wow, I'm old. Okay,
So let's head on out to Colonial Worry. I'm sorry
(08:01):
I have to interrupt because you know, I don't understand
these things. Is saying hip dust too? Is that an old?
Is that archaic? Now? I don't know. I think so?
Maybe not? Is it? Uh? Did I? Okay? Okay, never mind,
let us know. Let us let us know if that's
an old figure of speech, because we we don't. But
New Joysey to Colonial High School, Home of the Fighting Patriots.
(08:24):
I've added the fighting there for everybody. It's a school
that was built in nineteen sixties seven, and according to
CBS News and several other places, as Taylor mentioned, there,
there is something rotten going on. Whether or not it
actually has anything to do with the high School that
is left to be found but there's definitely something happening
(08:47):
in that area. Let's jump to March, all the way
back to March when CBS News via Meg Baker, who
was writing for them, reported former Woodbridge, New Jersey the
Residents says sixty five people who either attended or worked
at Colonial High School have had rare brain tumors. Mm hmmm.
(09:09):
And there's an interview here with a gentleman named al
Lupiano l U p I A n O. He is
the person, the primary person who has been looking into
this and performing the research, talking to people, gathering all
of the intel. He's an environmental scientist and he had
confirmed as of that date, sixty five individual cases of
(09:31):
people with with rare brain tumors. And the only common
denominator that he was able to ascertain at that time
was the high school itself. And he was actually diagnosed
with a brain tumor one of these. It was over
twenty years ago, so around two thousand two when he
was diagnosed, and he still suffers from issues from that,
(09:53):
according to CBS. And he it's not like it's just him.
His sister, who also attended the school, was diagnosed with
a brain tumor as well. As his wife. His like, seriously,
think about that, you, your spouse, and your sibling all
diagnosed with a brain tumor. His sister, unfortunately, was diagnosed
(10:16):
with iglioblastoma and she passed away um at least as
of the reporting that was done. Then context note context,
not only five of brain tumors may be linked to
hereditary genetic factors, So the odds against that are fairly significant. Yeah,
they are. And then you bring in the other sixty
(10:38):
two people that he had identified, and you know, your
your mind starts reeling, Wow, what is happening here? What
is the common denominator? What what's occurring? Um? So Al
has just been on a mission since he made this discovery,
like figure out what this is and get some action done.
It's it's pretty awesome actually, And Al, I don't if
(11:00):
you're listening or not, but if you're, this is you're
doing great work. Man. Thank you for doing what you're doing.
And I'm gonna read you a quote from Al within
this article. Quote. What I find alarming is there's truly
only one environmental link to primary brain tumors like this.
I added that like this, and that's ionizing radiation. It's
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not contaminated water. It's not air, it's not something in
the soil, it's not something done to us due to
bad habits. It's ionizing radiation. So this is according to
Al who's an environmental scientist. Uh, this is somebody who
has had brain cancer for over twenty years. This is uh,
somebody coming at this from a very scientific perspective. And
(11:43):
so if you think about ionizing radiation, that's probably something
in an environment, in a building, in a place where
you have been a lot, because you there's gonna be
a lot of ionizing radiation required in order to create
that kind of tumor. Right, it's not just a one dose.
Now you've got a tumor kind of thing. So Al
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Lupiano started saying, well, maybe it is this school. Maybe
that's what the problem is. So we had a target, right,
a potential thing to research to study, and started down
that path. And immediately there's a response here from Woodbridge
Mayor John McCormick that I want to read to you.
It's also in that CBS article quote it was virgin Land,
(12:26):
it was woods The high school was the first thing
to be there, So there was probably nothing in the
ground at the time. The only thing that could have
happened potentially was phil that was brought in during construction.
And here's the last part of that quote. We have
no records fifty five years ago. Now, what the mayor
(12:46):
is saying here is that potentially, if there wasn't some
kind of factor that was producing ionizing radiation, the only thing,
according to him, that it could be is the dirt
in the land that was brought in to you know
what he's calling phil the stuff that you add in
order to get certain elevations, whether you're going up or down,
(13:08):
to make a building fit into you know, the place
where you're putting it. Ben, I just really quickly want
to pause here for a moment, because when I hear,
especially a school like this, something bad is happening in
an environment where a lot of people are gathering. Often
I think about those environmental factors that are supposedly not
playing a part in the issue here. I think about
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the water source, right, like lead pipes. Maybe something that's
uh that all of the kids and people working there
would consume the air. Maybe something got into the ventilation
system and has been there for a long time. Maybe
the building materials we're causing some kind of problem like asbestos.
I don't think about ionizing radiation or you know, radioactive
(13:51):
stuff that could be causing this. And I think the
three main factors of ionized radiation or ionizing radiation are well,
broadly put, it's radiation from Earth, it's radiation from space,
and then radiation from building materials. So I think you
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might be on to something, my friend, Well, I think so.
It feels like it, right. But remember we're back in March,
late March of this year, so if you jump forward
in time just a little bit to May fourth, there's
another story from CBS that again is about al Lupiano,
and you know his mission that he's on at that time.
(14:35):
He's discovered over a hundred and fifteen people that have
a link with the school again, attended there or worked
there at some point in their life. He's getting he's
got more than two thousand people at this time to
sign a change dot or petition. It's becoming a bigger
and bigger story. There's more of an alarm going off
(14:56):
in the local area about this. More and more people
who have had a family member with a brain tumor
who attended the school are realizing, oh wow, this is
a thing. The story is growing at this point, and
it grows enough to where there's some actual action being
taken by Woodbridge and the government there. This is fascinating
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because it's fascinating a very bad way. Taylor, You're correct,
there's what I would consider longitudinal evidence here. Uh. One
thing that I think we should point out, just to
put this in context, is that overall, if you live
in the US, your chances of developing a malignant tumor
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of not only the brain, but the spinal cord as
well sometime in your lifetime is less than one percent. Further,
I would add, there is this pretty compelling evidence from
cancer dot org and one of their studies that indicates
the rate of or the incident rate as it's called
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for malignant brain or general CNS central nervous system tumors,
has been in decline from two thousand eight to seventeen.
So there is something different about this place. It's still
it feels like it's still sort of a who done it?
But there's definitely something there. We just need to figure
(16:26):
out what exactly it is. And here's where the twist
comes in. Ben studies were done on the school. The
story grew enough to where they actually took action. There's
an environmental study at the high school on the campus,
on the interior and exterior of the campus, anywhere where
students and staff would be roaming in like just existing
(16:50):
for long periods of time. And here's a quote from
an article from the NBC news outlet there in the
in the area. Today, we are very happy to announce
at our extensive testing for both radon and radiation in
the interior and exterior of the school produced no evidence
of any cancer causing hazards that warrant further investigation. That
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comes from Mayor John McCormick. And I'm pretty sure correct
me if I'm off base here, Matt, but I'm pretty
sure this school is still open. It is right now.
They should be out for summer break, but the school
itself is is still open. Yeah, I attempted to call
(17:34):
the school, but I'm pretty sure staff was just you know,
not there in the office to even accept a call.
Um gonna probably continue calling just to ask questions, even
though the school itself isn't gonna have any information. It's
going to be the bodies you know that the mayor hired,
probably to do the testing. This school probably also cannot
legally comment to someone like you or me about this. Yeah,
(17:57):
I'm trying to get somebody who would be able to, right,
but I probably have to go to some kind of
superintendent or something. I don't want to do that. But
this is this is the thing. People are not happy
in the local area, especially people who have been affected
by this. They think, uh, something is wrong, something isn't
being looked at. And it is true. It wasn't an
(18:18):
extensive study. They didn't, you know, they look for radioactivity,
specifically that ionizing radiation that has mentioned there, the thing
that causes these types of cancers. But they didn't test
the water, they didn't test the air, they didn't test
any of the other stuff. But it shouldn't those things
shouldn't be a factor, so not testing them shouldn't be
a problem. Right. It's very puzzling. And to me, what
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it states is that there's some other place that is
a factor in this that just hasn't been you know,
identified yet, someplace in that general area that everybody goes
to at least once or a couple of times in
their life, some sort of intervening variable, right, some there's
got to be some kind of public public good. Yeah, absolutely,
(19:05):
and I know Lupiano partnered with some folks to administer
free brain scans. This feels like an episode kind of
on the case here now, yes, good, that's well, that's
the best place that we could be. Honestly, that's how
that's how we figure stuff out here on this show.
At least we get excited because you send us something generally,
(19:28):
and now we just can't stop thinking about it until
we get to the bottom of it. So thank you
so much Taylor for sending this to us. You can
read more about this and a lot of the local outlets.
The latest reporting I could find is from late May
early like very very early June. So if you read
or see anything new, we'd love to hear from you,
please reach out to us. For now, we're gonna take
(19:49):
a break here from a sponsor, but we'll be right
back with more messages from you and we've returned. Before
we move on, I do want to point out that
I'm reaching out to al Lupiano via social media, So
(20:12):
if you know him, or if you are him real
in contact with him, let him know, let him know
to check his messages. This is this is the part
where my ears twitched, my nose starts tingling, you know
what I mean, and what passes from my heart beats
a little. So now now speaking of strange, uh, strange, funny,
(20:36):
disturbing things. Uh, Matt, I've been getting really into seafood,
despite the fact that the marine systems are collapsing around us,
or maybe partially because of it. I I want to
ask you if you've ever heard of a little something
called the bone fish. All one word, not bone fish grill. Yeah,
(21:00):
that's that's literally where my brain went. Um, the bone fish.
It sounds naughty, but I like it. Tell me about it.
It probably you know. It makes me think that if
Sublime had been able to stay together longer, ultimately they
would have released something called bone fish. Well. Uh, the
(21:21):
bone fish describes usually a thing called albula volt base
and it is it could be pretty big fish. Uh,
it's not ever gonna be as like popular as salmon,
and there are a couple of different ways to eat it, etcetera, etcetera.
But I started learning a lot about the bone fish,
(21:42):
in particular thanks to someone who reached out to me
at ben Bowling on Instagram. Uh, and I've got a
lot of our fellow conspiracy realist. I want to thank
you for reaching reach out to me on Instagram and
read every email we get. Matt does too, but it's
some times it's a little bit easier for me to
keep track of things. Uh. And we always try to
(22:05):
preserve an anonymity, but in this case, my friend and
we had a conversation about this. In this case, my
apologies to you because I couldn't I couldn't find your
name and credit is very important to me. So please
please please reach out as soon as you hear this
(22:25):
and just say, hey, sol, I'm the guy who told
you about those bone fish and I will shout you
out on air because you deserve it, and you took
the time to write to our show, regardless of the avenue.
We are grateful for it. Here's the story, Matt. Bone
fish are not just uh you know, pretty delicious, uh,
(22:46):
a little kind of fish for seafood fans. If you're
off the coast of Florida, you're gonna find that they're
also on drugs. As our soon to be non anonymous
Instagram pal of my and hipped me to this. Uh.
It turns out that there was a study released that
(23:07):
found dozens of pharmaceutical drugs. We're indating the blood and
tissue of fish off the coast of South Florida, and
we're talking multiple things. The some of the stuff that
people consider fun, like valium, some of the stuff people
consider necessary, like antidepressants and blood pressure meds. I want
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to shout out Nick Castillo. It was a scientist with
the Florida International University and the bone Fish and Tarpon
Trust who broke down some of this study, which you
can read about in multiple sources now. Costillo says, we
found pharmaceuticals everywhere and there was no place where basically
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a fish could be unexposed to pharmaceuticals, and that was
a surprise, Matt. They tested nine three bone fish in
particular as part of this study across three years, and
of the three they tested, three were found to have
(24:15):
drugs in their system. So yes, fish drug tester thing now.
And it wasn't just one drug per fish. It wasn't like, oh,
the one one fish was getting high. The average number
of drugs found and the bodies of each of these
fish was seven seven different drugs pharmaceutical drugs. Some had
(24:37):
as many as sixteen distinctly different types of drugs in
their system. Wow, and then you mentioned you mentioned several
types of drugs. I don't want to be agist in
any way. This is my personal experience. Most of the
travel I've done in Florida, or to Florida rather was
(24:59):
to is it grandparents to hang out in, you know,
communities that are specifically retirement communities. Um. Many of the
drugs described sound like, I don't mean to be ages.
It sounds like retirement community medications. Right. Didn't you say
blood thinners and uh, all kinds of stuff like the
(25:20):
big one, Yeah, antidepressants, um, and also prostrate treatment medications.
You're going to back you up on this one, that
antibiotics paying relievers. The news release that the news release
that I found on this uh, straight from Florida International University,
(25:43):
paints a a sobering picture of this because what they
found was a contamination cycle leading through the food chain.
Bone Fish eat other fish and eat crabs and eat shrimp,
and the abs, the shrimp, the fish that are prey
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for the bone fish, were also found to have these
substances in them. And you've nailed it because you have
to look at the demographics here, right again, not being agist,
not that it really needs to be said, but clearly
we're just following the facts here. The smart money right
now is on the idea that bone fish and other
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animals in the ecosystem are encountering these substances by interacting
with human waste. There are right now, every year in
the United States alone, about five billion prescriptions filled, and
there are no environmental regulations for their disposal of pharmaceuticals.
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It is the wild, doped up West. The contaminants in
the in this problem usually come from human waste water,
and your typical waste treatment plant isn't and a filter
for that sort of stuff. It doesn't really exist to
a wastewater filtration algorithm. They're just not built to think
(27:08):
about that. But the issue is those things, those substances
are powerful, They remain active, they can be released constantly,
and exposure can affect all aspects of fish behavior. We
don't exactly know how far it goes, we being the scientists,
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but we know that it has negative and negative consequences
on things like reproduction, things like odds of survival to
the extent of their natural lifespan. Also, these things can
in other parts of the world. We know that they
can affect fish feeding, their interactions with other fish, and
their migratory behavior. This has led the researchers of this
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study to say Florida needs to expand and modernize wastewater
treatment facilities and sewage infrastructure a cross the state. Initial
question for me was does this affect the human consumer?
Which was admitted admittedly a very self centered thing to ask.
(28:13):
But does does it affect you know, it's a question
anybody in Florida would ask green this headline, Does that?
Does this affect me? Right? Do we not have to
pay for medications anymore? Do we just eat local seafood? Right? Right?
I can't. I can't afford my prescription, So I guess
I'll become a pesctarian. Is that that? Yeah? You know?
(28:33):
I also thought of mercury level warnings, which were really,
you know, really common thing. Uh. Several years ago, people
were warned to watch their consumption of certain maritime wildlife,
with the idea being that it could lead to mercury contamination.
There's some stuff that really alarmed the scientists here, including
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Jennifer Hodge or jag R e h A G. E.
A Coastal and Phish ecologists An associate professor at the university.
Not for nothing did she say these findings are incredibly alarming. Quote,
pharmaceuticals are an invisible threat, unlike al algiel blooms or
(29:19):
turbid waters. Yet these results tell us that they are
a formidable threat to our fisheries and highlight the pressing
need to address our longstanding wastewater infrastructure issues. Do we
talk about it all the time? No one cares about infrastructure, really,
it doesn't get the votes, it's boring to talk about.
(29:41):
It's not a problem with a human face, right, And
if it's not a problem with a human face or
like a celebrity attached to it, then people don't really
care until the bridges start collapsing, right until the water
coming out of the faucet turns the wrong color or
catches on fire. Uh. And it's not a profit center either, right,
(30:03):
So there's there's just no real incentive besides just not
wanting to have your things break in your city. And
yet it happens all the time. And this is what's
blowing my mind here. Man. The ocean is big, dude,
The ocean is so big. How many drugs have to
(30:26):
be there to be detectable in one hundred of the
fish they looked at. Yeah, it's it's got to be
coming directly out of that wastewater, right and pooling I
guess in there, because it's not like it would dissipate
fully into the ocean, right, it would be in a
localized area. Still, you have clouds of these things, of
(30:49):
these pharmaceuticals floating around. But it's still. Yeah, it's gross
and awful and something must be done. Rabble rabble, rabble rebel. Yeah,
it's I mean, I'm a percent with you. This is
(31:09):
also calling into question other possible implications. How does this
affect humans? Right are you if you eat enough, do
you get functionally a dose of this kind of stuff?
Where is it? Is it simply a matter of trace amounts?
What does this mean for the future? Or as one
(31:33):
clever redditor put it, and please beat me here, Paul,
doesn't mean that our world is so that even the
fish need antidepressants. I don't. I don't know what fish
healthcare is like. Uh, it's like the rest of the ocean.
It's probably not very good. But it's a bigger problem too.
And this is what this is why fellow Instagram guy
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we gotta, we gotta talk about this some more because
I looked into larger context things, right, systemic things. Puget
Sound also has high rates of drug presence in the salmon.
They're like, this is not just happening in Florida. This
is not a case of you know, quote unquote Florida
(32:15):
man just purposely drugging fish. You know, for Florida fish
seeks local supply of viagara in his water. I don't know.
I don't think viagra was one of the things they found,
but I can imagine. Yeah, And you know, it's no
secret that different creatures in the water. It's so laughing
(32:36):
about the viagara idea that different creatures in the water
are already enduring um incredible hardships. Right and again, the
question so often asked by the human species is well,
what does that mean for me? What does that have
to do with me? Right? It will. The dominoes may
(32:58):
seem far away, but they all make the others fall.
When you think about it, it's just a matter of time.
That's how that's how ecosystems and biomas work. So for
some of us in the crowd today, it might be
you know, a laughable story kind of like, oh, hey,
that's that's extra value if I buy the bone fish.
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And we hate to be the bearer of bad news,
but the bone fish, legally speaking, is catch and release
only in Florida, which means you're just gonna have to
keep buying drugs the good old fashioned way from your
shady friend of a friend. I'm kidding, that's unfair. These
are pharmaceutical drugs, so you should be getting a prescription
to obtain these. But you know that it reminds me
(33:43):
of Matt. Over the years, you and I have seen
multiple stories of other widespread contaminants in what would be
considered public space, like a ton of cocaine and the
water in Italy or specific Italian towns, a ton of
feces on paper currency. By the way, the last time
(34:08):
you touched uh paper bill in the United States, there's
a chance you were rubbing on some poop. That's why
I launder all my money. We launder all our money
through fine art and and this book we wrote help
us launder money. No no, no, no, no no, we'll see,
(34:34):
we'll see if if Matt and Legal let me get
away with that one. But uh, but the point of
the matter is that these sorts of things don't often
don't get examined as deeply as they should because they
may not have immediately harmful effects to people to the
what about you know, how does this matter to me? Species? Uh?
(34:57):
And the fact that those things are not immediately damaging
doesn't mean that they're not damaging. It doesn't mean they're benign,
nor does it mean they're neutral. It means they may
well have a danger inaggregant cumulating over time. So with this,
I am going to pause us for a word from
(35:19):
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as we promised, a cavalcade of messages coming from you
(35:44):
right after the break and we're back personal shout out
to everyone that we're about to play here. Uh. You
have very interesting things to say and we can't wait
to share them with everyone else. Way more interesting than
(36:04):
the sidebar. I guess their ads or there are more
from CNN articles I'm getting from this other article I'm
looking at. I just want to let everyone know this
is the kind of important stuff that you're gonna find.
Michael B. Jordan's who's an actor, and apparently Lorie Harvey,
who's I guess. I don't know what she does. But
they split up, and according to this headline, Steve Harvey
(36:27):
says he's team Lorie, and I guess that's because he's
Laurie's father. I don't even I don't know. Good, good call, Steve. Sorry.
I was trying to make a joke about how stupid
the news is, but I didn't even do it. Control
his death said, uh, yes, he is Lori's father. I
(36:49):
don't Harvey is because I know his stand up comedy.
But you know, I'm unplugged from the celebrity stuff. Man.
I think that's a job, right, right right? Anyway, Yeah,
it hurts my head. Let's keep it at mass starvation
(37:09):
looming in Somalia. But who wore what to wear? Well?
But Steve Harvey, his team his daughter so great. Okay, alright,
so take take that widespread starvation. Okay, here we go.
Let's jump to a message we got from one Sean.
I'm not gonna set this up too much. Let's just
(37:31):
play it and respond to it. This is Sean marsh
again from Long Island. I am the U S veteran.
I served in the US during ninety one. I'm considered
a war veteran. I was in Berlin, Germany before I
took the world totally down. So um, my job I
(37:52):
had was actually most coding in conception with cryptologic specialists.
My title was night hotel. Back in the old days
there was a five hotels. They're called just hobbs. Anyway,
my question, really, the one I really wanted to talk
to you all about, was I listened to your episode
(38:16):
on mad cow disease. I am a person who unfortunately
is affected by the bad understanding of the disease. I
was told when I got out of service because I
was in Germany between eighty nine and ninety one. They
were I'll break some mad cow disease and I can
(38:38):
no longer ever give blood. I don't claim understand this,
since I was very proud of me to give blood
because I have a rare blood type. My blood type
is a B positive, so I think maybe negative is
the rarest, but I used to allow to give ut
(39:00):
before I went all those says. I understand how you
can say that I'm dangerous when you have no way
to test the mag How do it? And if I
had such a bad disease, I don't think I would
make it the one in which I've made it now.
Once again, I'm a veteran, So if there any more
information on this particular copy, I would love to hear it. First,
(39:26):
thank you sir for taking the time to write too
well to call us, you know, to contact us, I
should say, and uh. Secondly, we have we have a
little bit of an answer. And the answer, at least
in my mind, Matt, the answer is really one of
(39:46):
airing on the side of caution. Yes, do well, I
don't want, Ben, Let's just let's just say what the
answer is. I found a couple of articles in just
briefly searching about this when it comes to new tests
that have been develop lipped over the past seven years
or so, where it's it's blood screenings for mad cow
disease and crayons, things like that crux filled Jacob disease,
(40:11):
um several things here. So just what Ben, what have
you found? So? Yeah, the mad cow disease is the
street name, the friendly, the media friendly name for disease
that has a couple of actual names. In cows, it's
called bovine sponge ofform encephalopathy, but in humans it's called
(40:35):
variant Krutzfield Jacob disease, like you just described, Matt. So
it can be a little bit it can be a
little bit confusing. The symptoms are similar regardless of which
mammal is infected, and those symptoms go down to a
little thing called prions, which everyone can remember from the
(40:58):
excellent X Files episode Matt at Hazard. That's when you
and I both learned about this. Is that correct, absolutely?
Or was that one of the movies it was? It
was Curu. I think it's the episode Our Town. Okay, yep, yeah, okay, So, Sean.
(41:19):
One of the one of the most important things to
know here about Red Cross donation and how that affects
the ability to donate blood or to not be allowed
to do it, is that first, these organizations they're doing
mission critical work, humanity needs them, but they're also terrified
(41:45):
of being a vector for any sort of infection. Right.
The idea of someone um, for instance, having a blood
borne disease like HIV, which leads to AIDS, and then
having someone received a blood transfusion and now contract in
that disease. That is part of why they are so
risk averse, because they they are numerous successes, and all
(42:10):
the work that they do around the clock every year
will get ignored in favor of reporting one situation where
things go wrong. So that's kind of what that's the
scrutiny under which they labor. The second aspect of this
is that they know these prions can be communicated through
(42:33):
donated blood, regardless of whether or not the donor shows
any signs of disease, and they're basing this decision on
precedent not here in the US, but in the United Kingdom,
where blood transfusions gave a relatively small number of people
mad cow disease. I think it only it happened to
four people, but I don't want to say only, because
(42:55):
of course they contracted it. And in addition to being
risk converse, I would argue that um, there's also a
bit of the um the inertia of institutions at work here.
You know, for a long time there was a ban
(43:16):
on people donating blood due to their do entirely and
only to their sexual orientation, the assumption being that those people,
due to their orientation, would somehow be more likely to
transmit blood borne diseases. And this this was enormously controversial.
(43:38):
You remember hearing about this, right, Matt, Yeah, Ben, Ben,
I had heard that. What's really weird to me, Ben,
is that Sean in this instance just happened to be
in Germany at a time when there were several outbreaks,
and since that time, at least for a lot of
Sean's life, there's been no good way to test if
(43:59):
Sean actually was affected by this thing. Uh, it's just
because of where he was at that time that he
cannot give blood and he can't even I'm assuming he
can't confirm at this moment whether he has been affected
by it or not. Um, I'd want to know if
there's a way. I'm not seeing it right now, but
if there's a way for Sean specifically to get tested
(44:21):
for it. Unfortunately, the only current method to test for
human born mad cow disease is post mortem, perform post
mortem analysis of the brain, or you could um perform
a biopsy, but it's a it's a medical priority right
(44:44):
now to create a non invasive test that can detect
prions in the blood. But there is some good news, Sean,
that research is highly prioritized right now, and it's being
priorities at such a high level because the US is
(45:04):
encountering what vampires would call a blood crisis, well vampires
and regular humans. It's the worst blood shortage in more
than a decade. So especially people with rare blood types
like you, Sean um you, you would be prized. And
these organizations are risk averse because of the constraints that
(45:27):
we just described. But they're pushing. They being senators and
power structures and Congress. They're pushing for more research funding
to allow more people to give blood, and they're also
pushing for the FDA to change its policy on restricting
(45:48):
people from giving blood due to their orientation. And this
this is something that we should, I mean talk about
in a full episode Man blood donate a Sian plasma donation.
H We just didn't have time to hit it when
we were doing our Body Brokers episode. Well, you know
(46:09):
another thing, Ben, I don't want to get too far
away from that conversation. It's just Seawan's message about who
he was and what he did in some of the
Morse Code, cryptography and some of that stuff like yeah, yeah, yeah,
I want to talk about that. I want to know
more about that. That sounds. But for now, hey, Sean,
I think we're gonna we're gonna leave it there, and
(46:31):
you know, always feel free to call back. We want
to hear from you again, right to us. Uh, We're
gonna jump to one more, one or two more messages,
just really quickly here to get some opinions and statements.
So let's jump quickly to Jordan's. Oh and as are
really on Jordan's one last note, Sean, thanks for being
one of the good guys man. Um more people should
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donate blood. I don't want to even make a vampire joke.
I can't have my blood. That's you know. Here we go,
here's j Hi then Matt, now all this is Jordan's um.
I have been a long time listener, first time caller,
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and I was listening to your podcast episode on wealth,
the Wealthy and Taxes, and I wanted to pose mybe
a doubles advocate. Uh idea, although I agree with the
whole CEOs and executives and that sort of seeing being
able to kind of this scave those high tax brackets.
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They should be pain I wanted to mention. I think
then it was your friend who has to set in
rental properties, and I want to just think I wanted
you all to think about like generational wealth myself. I'm sorry. One.
I have a have a two year old daughter, and
we started in our early twenties. You know, we bought
our house, we worked to get out of sta and
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all that sort of thing, and we're working to build
her wealth because I know it's not going to happen
in my in my lifetime, but maybe by the time
I'm sixty years seventy will be a good chunk of
of generational wealth for her. But I don't want her
to have to pay taxes on it. Like I get
the tax rates. When I get that, maybe some of
the wealthy are a little bit crooked, But um, I've
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already paid taxes over all the stuff that I've thought.
I've already paid taxes on my income, on my houses,
all that thurs thing. I don't think it's fair for
my daughter to have to pay taxes again on that, um,
especially as an inheritance tax or the best tax of
you guys called it. So I'd love to hear your
hands a box on that, because although corporations and companies
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are very corrupt in those cases, I don't think I'm
corrupt and I won't just want to provide uh last
thing where to see from my daughter. So I love
the show, Love you guys, can't wait here for me.
Thank you, Jordan. I'm I'm so glad someone called in
for this mat because it's true. We have to be
very clear that when uh, we're talking about wealthy people
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rigging the game, we're talking about a level of wealth
that few are the one percent of people across the
span of human history have ever attained. And Jordan makes
such a good point. I I left her a message.
I didn't get to actually talk to her, but it
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really did make me think about my son and what
what do I want to do? What I what I
want to provide for him? And will I be able
to do that ever? And if I do get you know,
when I'm sixty or seventy, if I make it that far, like,
what does he actually get? And what is the government
get out of that? You know what it's a taking
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because unless you attain you know, a very very very
um rarefied and threshold of success again one the very
few people can attain by design. By the way, then
you do still have likelihood of your government wherever you live,
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taking a chunk out of it, and part of that,
arguably it could be by design to help filter to
run a scrimmage line, preventing people from accumulating more intergenerational wealth.
It's it's a fascinating subject, and maybe it's a topic
for an episode in the future. But Jordan's I, like Matt,
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I tremendously appreciate that point. And you know, here in
the States especially, there are a lot of people who
would look at someone who has, you know, who has
some assets and say, oh, that person's rich. But you know,
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like Chris Rock said, there's a difference between rich and wealthy, right,
and it's important. And you know, most of those people,
by the way, our own, our own friends and family,
don't consider themselves rich. They're still busting their humps every day,
usually for their kids. Uh. And I don't know, Matt,
you can probably speak to it more eloquently than me.
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But yeah, I am really glad that Jordan reached out
to us here. Thank you, seriously, Jordans for for calling
and give me us with that perspective, let's jump to
one last message and then we'll be out of here,
because at this point most of you are probably asleep.
We're still driving. Okay, here we go. Hello. My name
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is Becca. Um, I've heard I can't remember what episode
it was, but you guys said something about whoever's driving. Oh,
I bet somebody listens to this when they can't fall asleep,
and somebody made a joke like, oh, I can't fall
asleep with all those guys, and I wanted to let
you know that, Um, one of those people does exist,
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and it's me. I cannot fall asleep without you guys.
I listened to an episode every Not Out of My Life,
and I set the timer on my Spotify to end
of the episode, and a lot of times I get
upset that I didn't get to hear the rest, so
I just have to listen to it over and over
and over until eventually I finished the episode. Um, but yeah,
I want to let you know we exist and I
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can't think about you guys. You guys are my favorite podcast.
I also can't drive about you guys. So thank you
for making the podcasts. Oh wow, thank you. Dangerous Dangerous
Combination Becca, if you if you associate us with sleeping,
but then you're also driving whilst listening to the thing
you associate with sleeping, I hope you're I don't know,
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consuming caffeine or something while you're driving too, or put
or put us as the first playlist in your autonomous car.
Uh seriously, Bega, thank you so much. I I've joked
about this since I read the reviews where I think
I'm the one who mentioned this now where there were
people who would say I love this show. I I
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can't go to sleep without it. And I think that's great, honestly,
because a lot our individual lives are always shaped by
rituals of different sorts. I have a lot. I know
that you have several met and and if we are
part of your life in that way, then that's awesome.
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Thank you. You know, um, I wonder what I wonder
when we're going to do that a SMR episode. I
I don't know we should, but I am going to
start putting secret messages in to this like every episode
from now on, They're going to be secret messages for
people right towards the end here who are falling asleep,
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and it's gonna be like it's gonna be dream inception
infection kind of stuff. Oh, it's going to be good.
Can I team up with you on that? Yeah, we're
doing it right now. We are the Blue Door, the
Blue Door, all right. And with that, thank you so
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much to everybody who's been calling in. Again. As Ben said,
we're going through the voicemails. Were about halfway through May.
Almost there. Uh. We're gonna keep doing that and we'll
be calling you back and putting you in more of
these episodes. Thank you for reaching out to us in
every way that you possibly can. Because you've been doing it,
we appreciate it. We can't thank you enough, but we
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will try so. Thank you. Sean Jordan's Becca Taylor. And look,
if you're listening, if we talked about the fish on Instagram,
I feel so bad and I only have like three
feelings a year. Reach out. Let me let me make
this right. We try to be easy to find on line. Uh, Matt,
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let's see, we got the Facebook, we got the Twitter.
That's not enough. We got the the YouTube's the Instagram's
conspiracy stuff is some derivation thereof all across all across
your inter tubes. But wait, you might be saying I've
been eating all these fish too high right now to
hop on social media, that's like a permanent record thing.
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