July 28, 2022 • 56 mins
Poppy Hotdog asks whether the recent Supreme Court comes from an ulterior motive. Conspiracy Realists share experiences with a brutal -- at times conspiratorial -- housing market. Earth Shaman inspires a realistic exploration of the reality of self-sustaining communities. All this and more in this week's listener mail.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of My Heart Grading. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call
the bed. We're joined as always with our superproducer, all
mission controlled decond Most importantly, you are you. You are here,
and that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know now. Long time listeners, fellow conspiracy realists, you
know we always say that you are the most important
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part of the show. You're the reason we're able to
do this, and we like to put our money where
our ears slash microphones are by sharing your stories with
your fellow listeners. We have a lot of stuff to
get to. For some scheduling reasons, we actually held off
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on some things, but we think you're going to enjoy
this week's segment. We're going to learn some insights from
earth Shaman. We're going to get a lot of responses
to a two part episode that we've done. Before we
get into that, we're going to address a question many people,
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your faithful correspondence included, have had about the end game
of the Row versus Wey decision by Scotis the Supreme
Court of the United States. Uh, you are not the
only person who is wondering what the ultimate motive is.
As a matter of fact, we have been hearing from
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a lot of our fellow listeners on just this question,
and no, I think one that really stood out to
you and us comes from Poppy hot Dog. Dog. It's
a good one, classic nickname. Yeah, I just dive right
into it. I mean it really, It's something that I
think we've all discussed in some shape or form off air,
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maybe not so much on the show. Uh. Such a
divisive topic. Um, but it deserves some conversation unpacking m
outside of just the kind of surface reasons why this
might be. We might have been a priority for the
for the Supreme Court of the United States. Uh, Poppy
hot Dog. Hey, guys, just want to start off by
saying everyone involved in the show does an excellent job
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and I have loved listening for the past couple of years.
I grew up in Alabama, going to a private Christian
high school, and have spent many hours arguing with some
of my best friends about abortion and many other topics.
I am twenty five now and still friends with a
lot of these guys because I respect their opinion that
it is a life they are ending, regardless of your
belief in that. I do not think the people in
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d C give us about ending a human life, even
if they believe that to be the case. I believe
the reason row versus way it was overturned was because
the population growth rate has begun to decline around the
entire world, specifically in the US. In order for capitalism
to work properly, the population must grow constantly at some
specific value because the top one percent or whatever and
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need to have people at the bottom to make money from,
and rich people will always find a way to get
an abortion if they need it done. The more negative
people feel about capitalism, the less votes the Republican Party gets.
And I say this as someone who is very middle
ground politically and a fan of capitalism. It is in
the Republican Party's best interest that people want free market
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because that is what gets them votes. This is why
I believe that it is the opinion of many of
them that we should ban all forms of birth control.
And a very rare example of politicians cutting into pharmaceutical profits. Well,
I believe abortion should be up to the individual receiving
it and probably their spouse of applicable. I do understand
the argument from some people that it should be illegal
because you're terminating a life. However, I cannot understand the
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opinion of someone who is willing to take away rights
in order to help an ideology or economic system. Would
love to hear you guys think thanks poppy, hot talk,
um ma'am. Some very uh salient points there that I
think we thought about, and yeah, and and disgusted. Um specifically,
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I really appreciated the pointing out of the very rare
instance of the Republican Party or just of government in general,
trying to cut into the profits of pharmaceutical companies. That's
pretty it is. It is very rare. It isn't pretty
exceedingly never gonna happen, Never gonna happen. Birth control is
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not going to be outright banned on a federal level.
It's just it's it's not gonna happen. And you know what,
I would not be surprised if a lot of politicians
performatively arguing for a move like that. Also, No, it's
not going to happen. It could happen in maybe some states, right,
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but I think that would also be short lived because
of the backlash will be involved. I think it's a
really interesting point, though, No Poppy about the uh about
the idea of growing a population. I want to shout
out again that excellent quote about caring about the unborn
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and then forgetting about them once they have entered the
mortal world. You're talking, Poppy about what is usually called
sort of the population replacement rate. Uh. This is the
fertility rate you need overall to maintain, not necessarily grow,
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to maintain the size of any given population. And it's
a very simple number. It's two point one children per
birth giving person. Right. This is the level you need, again,
not to grow, but to keep on keeping on. Right now,
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in the United States, that that number is one point nine,
which explains what you pointed out earlier popular why the
population is decreasing, right, And we know that there is
a pattern that occurs. The pattern is usually this, the
more developed and economically successful the country becomes, the lower
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the birth rate becomes. As a rule of thumb. The
only issue with this, and I agree with it. I
want to hear what you guys think the only issue
with this is that it describes a great deal of
intelligence and long term strategic planning to the political class,
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which typically thinks in terms of two to four to
six years timed on election cycles. This is a payout
if if they are trying to create more people and
then naturally to keep those people poor. This is uh
a multi generational payout, meaning that you might not see
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the benefits of that plan until well after your political
career has ended. And then, of course, the the argument
I'm thinking out loud here, the argument against that is
that these politicians are pursuing the wishes of their largest donors,
right of the kammakers and business tycoons can wait eighteen years. Maybe, ye, yeah,
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I see your pointmen, But I also think that they're
pursuing their own interests. I mean, you know what happens
when your career in politics is over. Uh, You're you're
obviously feathering a nest in some way, shape or form,
whether you know you do it overtly and and brazenly
as some or it's a little more you know, hidden
in the pork as they say, you know, the things
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that kind of slip into bill. Because I feel like
you know, at the end of the day. I mean,
all these politicians now are how benevolent that they may
seem they're in it for themselves, I think they're in it.
And again, not all of them. And I'm sure some
people have a lifelong, you know, desire to to serve
the public and to actually you know, be a valuable
member of a lawmaking body, and then the desire to
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help their their fellow humans. But I think a lot
of times the people that are compelled to do the
things that it takes to get to those positions are
often not necessarily doing it out of sheer you know, charity. Um,
So to me, this argument makes sense. I'm not saying
that Democrats don't like making money too. I honestly think
sometimes the difference between the two parties is a lot
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less than we think. In a lot of it's more
pageantry than it is actual functional reality, you know, and
that I think they're kind of after some of the
same things. Uh, And it's all just kind of like
we have to have this this tet a tet in
order to like create conflicts so that we kind of
ignore the fact that what's actually going on is we're
all sort of being screwed by both parties. But you know,
I do see the long game of like, you know,
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putting in at least something, while not outright banning abortion,
something that will make it more difficult for poorer people
to get one, therefore making it more likely that they
will have an unwanted pregnancy, uh and an unwanted birth
that will then go on to become another poor person
that can be exploited much more easily than someone with
access to education. And it was wanted. And I'm not
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saying that all people have lesser you know, means or
less the lower income tears are bad parents. That is
absolutely not true, um at all. But it's certainly perpetuating
a system that does tend to create, you know, folks
that are going to grow up to be drones. Right.
One thing that I have learned about double think shout
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out to orwell, is that people can become very defensive
when their practice of double think is pointed out to them.
And and of course, you know, if you want to
if you want to make progress with anyone who has
an opinion or perspective different from your own, your job
is not to talk until you have listened extensively Listening
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is one of the most underrated, most important skills of
any human interaction, and a lot of people are just
terrible at it. I've been terrible at it in the past.
But the reason I'm bringing up this this mechanic is
because the double think that often applies here is the
idea of the idea of not keeping to a continual,
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consistent definition of pro life right pro life. Logically, this
is just being objective. Pro life would mean not just
ensuring that human is born, but ensuring they are born
into a place where they at least get a shot
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at a life worth living. And to force people to
remove their own bodily autonomy, which is uncomfortably adjacent to
chattel slavery in that respect. To remove that and then
to not follow through on your own self reported ideology
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to give those kids a shot at a life worth
living means that you are either not thinking through the
entirety of what you are purporting to support, or, i
argue this is the case with several politicians, you are
purposely misleading people for an ulterior motive. That's I mean,
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I know that might ruffle some feathers, and I'm not
being derogatory nor dismissive of people's ideology. I'm saying, an
ideology to be worth practicing should be consistent in its structure,
and in this case, what we're seeing is unfortunately inconsistent
and based more on convenience than it is on conviction.
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I yield my time, Okay, I I shall take that time, sir.
In my opinion, I don't think abortion factors in at
all to the growing trend of jobs being lost in
people finding themselves in a place where they have less
and less money. Uh. I was just I'm looking at
statistics here, looking at the estimated number of abortions that
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occurred in the United States in I think twenty nineteen.
It's somewhere between six five thousand and nine hundred thousand UM.
That's an estimated number. But then if you look at
the number of jobs that are being lost at all
times due to things like automation, uh, you know, like
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lower level jobs. Right, So somebody who doesn't make a
ton of money already, but has a job that gets
probably paid hourly and makes enough to almost survive in
this crazy economy that we live in, but then losing
their jobs due to automation. It's in the millions, and
it's only getting higher and higher. Where Like if you
look at something like Electronic dot Com, they've got a
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ton of statistics over here about the number of robots
entering the workforce right now, like two and a half
million that are that are currently in the workforce. Um,
I feel like we are automating ourselves to the same position,
the same place economically and from a population standpoint that
we're talking about, and it doesn't have anything to do
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with whether or not we UH allow children to be
aborted or not. As from a government standpoint, it's a
very interesting point, Matt. I hadn't really thought about that. Yeah,
I don't have to give it some unless unless the
plan is to you know, as you're saying, and as
Poppy is maybe speculating, the plan is to not allow
that procedure anymore, so that children are forced to be
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born into not so great situations, so that they're forced
to find a job for Were the halves right the
support the haves in some way, because ultimately when they
want this is this is my thing, the motivation would
be you need somebody who makes enough money to be
a proper consumer right to buy the things that the
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corporate owners. UH. That benefits the corporate owners, because that's
that's what many of us do. We just prop up
all these giant corporations by buying their stuff all the time, NonStop.
I see what you're saying, and I you know, I'm
going to speak on behalf of our fellow listeners, some
of whom are shouting at their speakers or their their
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their phones right now. By saying this, This concept of
an ulterior motive is UM bears a lot of similarity
to the argument that certain economic conditions have been tweaked
to maintain uh ready population of young, poor people with
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no alternative for success other than joining the military. I
would say that given the given what we know about
the human brain, and given what we know about the
way people tend to react when creating plans, it is
entirely plausible what happened was a kind of feedback loop
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or slippery slope, whichever analogy you prefer, where one thing
changed for a short term benefit, and then there was
a domino effect. Since we're just throwing out analogies, which
meant that, like let's say someone knows they're going to
make a killing off instituting UH student loans right, one
of the most you serious things happening in the US
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outside of privatized healthcare and now everybody else who makes
a plan on a large scale, on a macro scale,
they're not starting from square one, They're starting from square two.
The reality of the field has changed. And then it
continues is people keep making new plans off a differing
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baseline and towards the end. At some threshold, what happens
begins to look like from far away, a very well
thought out and coordinated conspiracy, when the truth is it's
just very smart and you know, not super ethical people
reacting to the creations of other people. I don't know
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the answer, folks, but I would say that we have
to acknowledge that sometimes there's just no one at the wheel.
There are many groups who want to be but there's
not one shadowy cabal just yet. Still, it's gonna be bad.
Gonna be bad. Removing bodily autonomy in almost any regard
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is a step towards slavery. That's my opinion. Here there
you go, and just last statistic here. According to Mackenzie
Global Institute study, UH, there could be roughly around as
an estimate seventy five million jobs globally lost to automation
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by which is just around the quarter. Yeah. Wow, we
really let with a downer at this time, didn't we.
Hopefully we have some of that hope that Ben promised
in the last episode we did coming up. But until then,
let's take a quick pause, let's hear a word from
our sponsor, whoever they might be. Uh, and then we're
back with some more messages from you. And then thanks
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again to Poppy pat Doc for the very thoughtful email.
Great back, and we have returned to this listener mail segment. Uh. Yeah,
it's gonna get worse before it gets better in terms
of joyousness. But uh, I've got some I've got some
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good news on the way. We'll see if it makes
it into uh this week's segment. I want to thank
everybody who hit me up on Twitter at Ben Bullying
hs W or hit me up on Instagram at Ben
Bulling w l I N because I went. I went
to you, folks and asked on behalf of our show
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the following I said, recording new conspiracy stuff episodes on
corporations buying up US homes fascinating slash frightening as anyone
had a recent experience buying a home or trying to.
I would love to share it on air. I'm paraphrasing
myself here, and I thought we could just list some
of these things, these short responses, and look at some
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trends in there, and I would love to hear you
guys take so. First trend, people getting inundated with flyers,
calls and text messages, sometimes after selling a home, sometimes
having had a home for years, and perhaps most oppressingly,
sometimes when a relative had passed away. Second common theme,
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all the stuff we outlined in yesterday's We did an
episode yesterday, So yesterday's episode banks Buying your Neighborhood Part one.
So I just read some of these. You'll notice some recurring.
Fellow conspiracy realist here, Uh Tall Pockets said, We've recently
had flyers left on our door asking if we'd be
willing to sell. I've also been contacted multiple times asking
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if I'd be willing to sell up property owned my
my deceased uncle. I can only assume they found my
info via skip trace. You guys know what skip traces? Right? Actually? Okay? So,
uh skip trace is is a general term for figuring
out where somebody's at and there are people who do
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this professionally called skip tracers skip tracing, and you'll often
hear it regarding finding a fugitive or finding a debtor
who's tried to ghost on what they owe. Bounty hunters
do skip tracing stuff like that. But what I liked
about what Tall Pockets is pointing out is that skip
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tracing isn't always for criminals. It also has commercial application.
Here is something that I think is is kind of
a good story from couch spotter over on Twitter. Couch says,
I'm in Texas, have two houses across the street bought
by a company and rented out. We refinanced three years
ago for a hundred and thirty grand and we have
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received mailed offers for two hundred and fifty to two
hundred ninety thousand dollars. A ton of people in the area.
I think, uh couches describing are older people selling to
downsize and cash in. That's common in retirement, right. And
we see multiple people say what Nate is saying on Twitter,
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I gave up on the idea of owning a home
long ago for a variety of reasons, and so many
people said that on Instagram and Twitter. Uh, there's a
ben Did you mentioned couch spotters response about the rent
they're charging for those homes by the way. Oh yeah,
he's saying they're renting for twenty two hundred dollars a month.
Two thousand, two hundred dollars. Uh, which sounds about right.
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And that's what I'm seeing too. Yeah, yeah, and we
agree with Couch. Wayne Couch says it's literally insane and
terrifying at the same time. Uh. Our good friends, the
meme master themselves, Holly says, Homie, I'm trying to move
in a studio apartment is minimum thirteen hundred dollars dollars.
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And let's go to one more tweet here from the
last black Hashira, who says, bro, it's happening in my
neighborhood right now. We got a whole block that are
all corporations and they bought up from twenty twenty till now.
And so I follow up with LBH and say, you
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know what part of the U S are you in?
LBH says, Tampa Bay Region. It's nuts. They overbid people
by thirty five to fifty thousand dollars. I bought and
built on an empty lot in the hood before anybody
gave about this place three years ago. And lb h,
this is something we hear in Atlanta all the time, right, guys,
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let's go international here, just a few more from from
Instagram this time. We'll call this person ce C wrights
In and says not in the US, but being outbid
constantly was painful. Only got my house because and I quote,
oh yeah, I remember, I think I would have held
you as a baby at the funeral he got caught
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in the baylor on the main road, referring to my
cousin's death in a farming accident in when I was
about eighteen months old. And yes, the seller was at
the funeral and it held me as a baby. I'm
picking this example in particular, guys, because I think it
illustrates some of the nepotism that we alluded to in
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part one of this episode. Have you have you all
heard stories in your own lives of people saying I
looked into this house because of a personal connection or
some kind of you know, nepotistic relationship. Spill it, what's
what's up. I think it's less nepotistic and it's more
a human connection. If you can actually make a human
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connection with someone attempting to sell their home before they
get I'm going to use a term here, corrupted by
by the sparkly nature of a giant offer twenty to
fifty dollars more than what a human could actually pay you. Um,
if you can make that connection, you can get a house.
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That's what I'm That's what I'm finding. It's funny you
say that, but it's also like, I mean, it's kind
of discouraged to meet the person you're trying to buy
a house from, or vice versa. That's the whole purpose
of real estate agents is to keep that human connection
from happening. That's what they'll say, know them before, you
could know them before, or reach out to them. They're
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just humans. Everybody's got social media. It's a good point.
The White website, I will add the first house that
I bought many years ago when I was married in Athens.
Part of the reason we bought is because we did
accidentally meet the owner and he was this charming older
gentleman who was an artist. We really loved his paintings.
We love the fact that he raised his family there
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and his kids there and all this stuff, and the
house was kind of a rip off. He had bondowed
over all kinds of crap on the porch, and there
were all kinds of things that were band aided that
the inspectors didn't catch. So I would argue that human
connection can go both ways. Here's a here's another UH.
Here's another quick update from our colleague, the creator and
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host of Beauty translated here on the I Heart Network,
Carman says, my boyfriend and I spent all summer last
year trying to buy a home here in Atlanta. We
made about twenty plus offers. We almost always got out
bid by an investor with cash and about fifty thousand
dollars over the asking price. We had to start calculating
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the extra fifty thousand dollars into our house buying budget.
The homes that we did get selected for didn't pass
the inspections, so we had to move on fifty dollars. God.
I mean, I've heard that around thirty is pretty standard,
even without having to compete with a with the developer
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like that, but fifty just seems heartbreaking. I mean, so
so much of this, UH is the power that you
have comes from your down payment, and so much of
that is a lifelong amount of savings you know, or
maybe you get help from family or who knows. That
is such a part of the whole equation. And if
you don't have that, then you're helpless. Uh. And and
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to make it where even people that have done their
due diligence and like save this money and and done
everything right are still incapable of of winning. It's just
it's gonna beat people down. The number is shocking to me.
We're going to find that what's happening is a lot
of times institutions, investment entities are paying over asking price
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by this level because they're not competing with you folks,
not really, they're competing with other institutions. And if those
other institutions can bring twenty thousand dollars over asking price,
then of course the next thing their competitor is going
to do is bring twenty five to thirty and then
the number builds up because overbidding has become normalized. Let's
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go to one more. Our good pal outdoor adventurer education,
that's what we'll call you, uh says. We sold our
home in November. We ended up selling it to a
friend that they could use as a rental property. So
the house was never officially on the market. We did
meet with an agent, but never listed, and we had
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a home inspection done. But for months we got calls
for we will buy your home for cash, and it
was actual people calling us, not recordings. This is what's interesting.
It gives us a little look at the process here.
Our agent told us it would happen as soon as
he started pulling info on the house. So as soon
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as there is activity right in certain databases, then imagine
all the almost like hyenas, right, Imagine all the ears
perking up in the valley and running towards the fresh meat. Yeah, God,
it's it's that way in my house right now, you guys.
M hm, it's very weird. The hyena's got that sent Yeah.
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I think I mentioned this without talking too much about
my own personal life, but it was it was very
strange when as as soon as by biological mother passed away,
I started getting all these correspondencies that we're just trying
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to buy my parents house, and they got the you know,
they got the ping to make that attempt, probably due
to public records of her passing, which I think is
simply ghoulish. Oh god, yes, well, it's sort of like
that thing. What was it where someone's parents found out
their daughter was pregnant because they got some automated piece
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of mail average Target or like baby products from Target
or something like that. You know, uh, it is ghoulish.
And you know, I mean, like I said, you know,
I mentioned on the last episode, I did just buy
a house. In the moment that happened, I'm getting all
kinds of crap in the mail for mortgage protection, mortgage insurance, this,
that and the other, and some of it is package
in a way that makes you think it's like a
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legal correspondence from the government and that what they're selling
you is like required by law, and it's not. This
is okay, all right, I know I said one one more,
but this is one more and more. There you go.
There's our encore for this. This is a report coming
from our friend Joe in Canada, in Vancouver, British Columbia specifically. No,
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we did a number of years ago. I think we
looked at the housing crisis in different metro areas of
Canada do in large part to foreign investment, right, and
I think we were as fair as possible in that episode,
but with a lot of Canadian contacts that I have
made through this show and through other pursuits, I found
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that there is a housing epidemic at this point. So
here's what Joe says. Joe says, laugh out loud, living
in Vancouver, BC, and my war story is, quote, are
you young and not a millionaire? Don't bother? And then
Joe says, detached houses are going for three hundred to
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six hundred thousand dollars over asking price, even if they
are absolutely trash. No subjects, no questions, just bidding wars.
He says, Now the tactic by realtors in UH in
Vancouver is to list low to incite bidding wars, and
then if they don't get the results they want, they
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pull the listing. Wait a second, and relist higher. And
even an unfavorable market, says Joe, the average price for
a detached home has creeped up to well north of
one point two to one point five million dollars. Yeah,
what home referring to exactly, It's a it's a home
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that stands alone like picture a yard house. Okay, it's
a house. Yeah, so Joe has Joe has an interesting
addecdote as well that he ends here with we purchased
our eight hundred square foot condo four years ago for
four hundred and twenty thousand dollars, and a comparable unit
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just sold for six hundred and thirty thousand dollars. So
even the attached market right condos is crazy here. And
then Joe says, town houses not sure if you guys
call it the same thing down south, are now listing
for nine hundred to one million dollars. I responded to Joe,
because there's a lot of construction here in Atlanta, and
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if I look out the right window where I'm recording now,
I can see town homes that are going for nine
hundred to one million dollars. And you guys know where
I live. It's not the best neighborhood. It's it's nuts. Um.
I just don't know how people can compete six hundred
thousand dollars over asking price. How is that not another house?
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How is it sure? But like, how is any of
this legal? I mean, I mean it is, I know
it is, but it's like it's just it's just kind
of run a muck, you know, and there's there's nothing
in place to protect anybody. Methinks it ought not to
be legal. Gents. I do think there's going to have
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to be some kind of regulation, like we talked about. Well,
I don't want to spoil too much. I think it's
in part two of the episode, the two part episode
that we we talked about this banks buying your your
home or hedge funds or whatever. Um I think I
think regulation is going to have to come through very
soon to roll back well what they started after the collapse.
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And at this point we're gonna pause. Thank you to
everybody who wrote in and shared your stories. If you
have your own story you'd like to share, we'd love
to hear from you. You know how to get in
touch me, and we tell you how to get in
touch with the show at the end of this week's
Listener Male segment. But for now, let's pause for a
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word from our sponsor who I don't know, who is it?
Zelo who knows? Uh? And we'll return with another message
from you. All right, and we're back really quickly. Man.
I'm so sorry, I just had this thing in mind.
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I just found it. Um Ben, you were talking about
the last segment about you know, all these but we
buy houses for cash, you know signs. Apparently those yellow
signs first of all, are called bandit signs. I've never
heard that before, and uh, they're illegal, and they you know,
basically are like solicitation. But just just in the interest
of talking about how people will just try to put
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one over on anybody, I started to see versions of
signs like that don't say we'll buy your house for cash,
but they say we buy diabetic test strips. And as
we know that you, medical supplies for folks with diabetes
are quite expensive. Insurance off it won't pay for them,
and they can be in short supply. So it just
goes to show that anybody with an opportunity to make
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a buck, no matter how despicable, will do just that.
Have you found anyone that sells PS fives like after merch?
I think you're only allowed to have one? Right, Do
you mean he'll send me, he'll sell me more, your guy,
let's uh, let's off. Okay, okay, cool, I want to
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get on this. I need that haptic feedback baby, right,
there are a lot of years on us right now, fellas,
So okay, okay, okay, we'll be up at the HQ
after years and years go away. Not I'm just kidding.
You should stay. Let's listen to this message we got
from earth Shoman. Why you can just calm your earth
(34:50):
Shoman if you want. I had a conversation with the
fella earlier today. He happens to do survival training for
what we'll call operators, and um, of course, you know,
and in the course of the survival of things, the
conversation occurs, um, you know what, when is it going
(35:11):
to hit the fan? And this individual was told by
someone within that community, who obviously would have access to
a good amount of intelligence. They said that happened a
year ago. It's just the shock wave hadn't hit us yet,
so they are already making preparations to be in a
more strategic location elsewhere this and when that occurs. I
(35:34):
didn't know there's anythings cover recently. I'm kind of do
to the show, but I wanted to get your guys
take on it. I think now there's not information around
it probably makes them educated guests and none of them
are nice. But thanks again, guys, take care, stay safe.
Oh man, thank you so much earth Shaman for sending
that to us, because you know that is just that's
that's a whole conversation. We're about to have and it's
(35:56):
gonna go dark and that's okay, But uh, really thank
you for having that conversation and then giving us a
call and letting us know about it. So, guys, what
are your immediate reactions? He's correctly, I mean, it depends
on how you want to how you want to define
(36:18):
this stuff. But the you know, the world is ending
for someone every day, right, it just doesn't always make
the news. But what depends I think it depends on
what you define as like what is what is the
feces right hitting the fan here um? If you're talking
about economic problems, then it does make a lot of
(36:40):
sense because we're talking about the interval between when something
can be said to have occurred, right, whatever that folk
raum is, whatever that hinge moment is, and the amount
of time it takes to hit the population right in
a widely noticeable, commonly experienced way. So by by those
(37:02):
parameters you can think of a tsunami. A tsunami doesn't
hit the coast the moment the earthquake occurs on the seabed.
It takes a while for the water to roll your weight,
and in many, in many ways, that is what is
happening now. The US is an enormously divisive time. Uh.
(37:24):
And the US is, you know, a country obsessed with itself,
so sometimes it forgets to look at global trends. There
is a rise of fascism across multiple multiple parts in
the world. There are increasingly restrictive laws, Uh, policing free speech.
I mean it's yes, it's also what's happening. Yeah, let's
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get into some of those specifics. But at first, I
want to tell you a little bit more about earth Shaman. Uh.
You guys know me I gave gave the Shamana call.
Uh want to give you some more specifics about what
he was stating there. Uh, this is obviously a second
hand story. We know that from what he said. It's
a person he talked to who had spoken to somebody else, right,
the third hand story whatever, And so we don't have
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a lot of specifics. That person wasn't being specific when
they talked to earth Shaman about what that thing was
that happened a year ago. But the conversation took place
roughly a month ago from today, So uh, in June
mid June. If we're talking about a year ago and
we want to really speculate on a thing an event
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or you know, whatever this bomb was that went off
that we're going to feel a shockway from It's sometime
in It's what what we're thinking here. Earth Shaman noted
that the economic stimulus payments stopped at a certain date.
He was he was just wondering if that might have
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something to do with it. Um. We were also talking,
you know, we mentioned the instance that occurred on January six, uh,
and there are a couple other things. I just want
to kind of throw some things out at you guys
and see what you think about them. Stuff that happened.
There was the United States rejoining of the Paris Climate
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Accords and NATO. That was one of the major things
that occurred. The US withdrew from Afghanistan, which is you know,
if you're thinking about military action and then content major
consequences to something that occurred, that's a big one. Um.
There was what else happened in guys, I'm trying to
(39:34):
think of the other major things. Yeah, there was there
was that pandemic thing. Yeah, you know what I was
thinking about the major power outages that occurred in Texas
that went down to me, this is a climate change
(39:57):
related you know, And I mean I was thinking about, uh,
that stuff, and also how like there's a new story
that's been going around about the heat waves in the UK,
how like planes aren't able to land because like the
runways are melting, and like people are like dying and
homes are burning down, you know. I mean, I think
it's the climate change related to shoe that we're seeing
drop you know, on the regular. To me, it's got
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to be civil unrest, because civil unrest is the thing
that's going to tear down, like stop everything from working. Stress.
This is an operator and so there more likely than
average to be referring to political unrest. The statistics are there,
you know. I was talking with our pal Robert Evans
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about this a while back, quite a while back. Um.
He has an excellent podcast called it Could Happen here
to check it out. The issue is that you can
see you have to fight your own desire to classify
everything is an understandable and predictable pattern. But while doing
you cannot avoid the similarities in domestic US politics. Uh,
(41:06):
currently you can't avoid the similarities they bear to the
time leading up to the US Civil War, which again
is just a terrible name, is very rude and brutish
and cruel and nasty. It was very much not civil.
But but does this mean that a civil war in
actual war will occur. Not necessarily, it does mean that
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there may be secessionist movements that gain more steam than usual.
A lot of times secessionist movements simply don't have the um,
the training, and the tactical knowledge that they would need
to even stand a chance. And I think one mistake
a lot of people make when they talk about the
idea of secessionist groups or home trained, home cooked malicious
(41:55):
starting war, they forget that the normity of the US
military and intelligence apparatus. It is frightening and they will
reign fire because they do like, if there's a serious
secessionist then I guarantee you, unless the military and the
top brass are compromise, their approach is going to be
(42:19):
cut this off immediately, will handle whatever pr occurs afterwards.
It's true, right, We'll send a flamethrower vehicles into that compound.
We've seen it before. Yeah, wow, okay, well guys, yeah,
that's definitely my thinking that there's gonna be some kind
(42:40):
of desperation and enough people because I think we talked
about this too it's it's related. I really do feel
like infrastructure is going to break down due to the
extreme hot, cold, storm, you name it. And if it
breaks down on a wide enough scale for a long
enough time him then the people you know with the
(43:02):
guns will attempt to get what they need and the
people in charge of maintaining order will also use their guns.
And that's when it feels like stuff really breaks and
nobody sees themselves as the bad guy in this situation.
That's that's part that's important human thing to remember. Well,
we've also talked about things like water wars and water
(43:23):
disputes and now like those types of yeah, climate migrants
and means, they are all related. I mean, you know
you're gonna have climate change issues that result in fires,
and then when people get displaced, then they become civilly unrestful,
let's just say. And the same thing with like scarcity
and you know things that we need to survive like
water and food and all of that stuff. That's kind
(43:45):
of you know, further hit the fan when the other
thing hits the fan. Um, it's a it's a series
of very tenuously placed dominoes. Well, let's talk about what
Earth Strawman is doing gonna give a little more context.
This is why he had the conversation, and this is
why I think he's a very helpful person to learn
stuff from. Shaman has military experience, and Seman also is
(44:11):
very good at some survival stuff like foraging. He's excellent
at foraging. He also grows foods. He's a farmer, and
he talked to this person that that he mentions in
his call at you know, a farmer's market where there
are a bunch of farmers getting together to sell their
(44:33):
wares to other people. And the discussion was we need
to strengthen our ties as farmers because we are going
to have our own little microeconomy when the rest of
the economy collapses, because we'll be able to barter your
micro greens from my mushrooms, you know whatever, your butternut
squash for my corn. Um And I don't know, that
(44:56):
just feels like a really smart thing to do to
have those kind of tax and to have something that
is barterable in those times, um, if not to manufacture it,
to at least have a good amount of something yet
point I mean, because one huge difference between like again
not to be alarmists, but just hypothetically thinking through the
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difference between a civil war in two versus or three
really versus a civil war in the eighteen hundreds is
the prevalence of technology and the dependence upon global supply chains.
During the time of the civil war, the US was
still uh in its majority and agrarian economy. That is
(45:39):
no longer the case. UH. And it's it's quite intelligent,
I would say, shaman to have this sort of self
reliant skill. If you go to the Great Depression in
the nineteen thirties in the United States, another terrible name,
by the way, because it was not great. It was
you know, it sucked, but they didn't want to call
(46:01):
it the sucking Depression. Uh. Anyhow, the the idea there,
what we saw happening was that these micro communities did propagate,
they did generate, right because you can't afford to buy things,
but you still have the same amount of time you
had the only true currency in the world. So you dedicate,
(46:22):
you prioritize, and reallocate that time to refining and practicing
your skills that are useful to that local community. You
grow the food, and you trade the food, and you
find out that yet paper money and coins. They're nice,
but you can't eat them. You don't even really burn
that well if you're trying to start a fire. So
(46:44):
there is you know, it's a it's a philosophical paradigm shift.
But it also makes me think of a question that
I have for you, Matt and Funeral and for everybody listening,
because earth Shaman is an example for the class. Earth
Shaman had a skill, right, So my question for you
and all our all our folks tuning into this week's
(47:05):
listener mail segment is what skill are you working on
if everything falls down? Because I'll tell you what. I
love what we do here, but I don't think a
new civilization or a new self sustaining community necessarily needs
podcasters barred. I'm going to be a bard. Well, Ben,
(47:29):
you can just be the leader of whatever group I
would follow you, sweet man, I'm gonna bug out the
real quick cool. Uh yeah. I I don't know what
I would be able to do, but I bug pretty
quick back. Yeah you do. It's very true, and you
got some good skills. You can fix a superca and
you can run a trot line. Right. I will chop
(47:50):
as much would as you could possibly ever need so
Litz the last thing guys with on the foraging tip,
Shaman has some recommendations for everybody just so you can
hone your foraging skills if you want to. It's probably
a smart thing, smart survival skill for that full bushcraft
(48:11):
badge that you might get one day or or need.
A couple of apps. One is called picture This apparently
that one's very popular, one called I Naturalist from nat
g O, and another one called seek uh. And all
three of these you can do interesting things like take
pictures of a mushroom that you find, or a berry
or whatever plant and you can find out if it's edible,
(48:35):
how you can make it edible those kinds of things.
And the crowdsource often where there are other people using
the app and it has to get verified multiple times
before you can like, you know, agree everyone agrees that yes,
this this thing is edible or not. It's really really
really cool stuff. I don't have any of them yet.
I do have a few. Oh, this is what Seaman said.
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It gets a little weird when it comes to fun guy.
So unless you are with an expert, Yeah, yeah, it's
tough to tell with photographs often, So what what Shaman
recommends is getting into a Facebook group, because Facebook groups
often will respond rapidly, very quickly to a specific question
(49:20):
if you are foraging, or if it's necessary for you
to forage in any moment um, that is, if there's
power and internet still. But a Facebook group can generally
respond to you and give a pretty good analysis of
a certain mushroom. But again, as Ben said, it's way
safer to either be an expert or to be with
(49:41):
an expert before you just go chopping on fun. Guy.
That's the thing about community, I mean, think of all
think of all the services that you will need to allocate,
right for a true self sustaining community, even if it's
just keeping the lights on in the mid term, for
a return of rule of law, our normalcy. You a
(50:02):
lot of people think about security, right, I want to
be the guy with the gun and says someone the
same way that kids on Xbox say, I want to
be the sniper. Right. It just feels cool, right, And
a lot of those folks don't have the training to
do so in a reliable and safe way. But if
we get past the hype and the fictionalized stories that
people tell themselves, then you're looking at things like you
(50:24):
need a doctor who can also function as a veterinarian
and a dentist and help you know, barber to why
not go bid evil having to do the haircuts as well.
And you'll need someone who can help rear children. If
you have young people, you'll have need to have someone
who can help with the elderly. If you have older
(50:45):
people who aren't necessarily physically able to contribute, you know,
in an arduous way, You'll need to have someone who
can repair every machine if possible, someone with engineering knowledge,
someone with kemm it knowledge of chemistry. Right, you'll need
You'll need plenty of foragers like Ersham and his pointing.
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Now you know what, Forget Matt, No, I'm I'm gonna
make a spreadsheet so he has a better spreadsheet. But
I think it's time we get this in writing and
figure out our team perfect and make sure it doesn't
go all Handmaid's Tale on us. That would be cool,
very much. I mean that would be cool if it
(51:26):
didn't write Oh yes, okay, back, I'm back on board,
back on board um and would love to hear also
would love to hear the thoughts of our fellow listeners
who have pondered this before. Many people have been in
contact with a lot of people who have UM. We
get calls about this occasionally as well, and I think
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it's just important to not think in terms of some
hyper violent post apocalyptic action movie. If you want to
be realistic, think about it. You're thinking about food, water, survival,
and safety, right those those are what you're really thinking about.
And that means that a lot of the skills that
(52:10):
are going to be mission critical, they're not super sexy.
They're not the no scope sniper from some multiplayer Xbox game.
There there are people who are like, I know how
to grow tomatoes even in this terrible, terrible climate. It's
isn't a classic human It's like a post apocalyptic situation,
but it's boring. It's human. It's mostly scheduling binality of humanity.
(52:36):
Have you guys seen the New Resident Evil? It starts
that way. It's like, man, is so boring doing the
research for this post apocalyptic zombie stuff like an unrelated
or tangentially related like in that segment and red Dead
redemption to where you are. This isn't much of a
(52:58):
spoiler where you're basically doing chores. There's tons of games
like that. There's like office simulator, there's like like working
in a restaurant simulator, there's like this is a thing
people like like. Well, in the interest of education, then
I propose that we make a realistic post apocalyptic America
(53:20):
survival simulator and we really drive home the message that
a lot of the stuff you need to do is
not going to be personally exciting to you. You know
what I mean? Well, and and and one of the
newer Fallout games, you you are able to kind of
build yourself a little structure that you have to you know,
collect scrap metal to do. And honestly, that was the
(53:41):
most boring part of the game and I never went
back to it. So yeah, but we just need to
make it to where you have to cut every board,
you have to form every piece of iron, nail every nail.
Uh So, what an excellent conversation. Know, we went a
little bit a little bit long in this week's listener
(54:04):
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(01:30):
your faithful correspondence included, have had about the end game
of the Row versus Wey decision by Scotis the Supreme
Court of the United States. Uh, you are not the
only person who is wondering what the ultimate motive is.
As a matter of fact, we have been hearing from
(01:51):
a lot of our fellow listeners on just this question,
and no, I think one that really stood out to
you and us comes from Poppy hot Dog. Dog. It's
a good one, classic nickname. Yeah, I just dive right
into it. I mean it really, It's something that I
think we've all discussed in some shape or form off air,
(02:12):
maybe not so much on the show. Uh. Such a
divisive topic. Um, but it deserves some conversation unpacking m
outside of just the kind of surface reasons why this
might be. We might have been a priority for the
for the Supreme Court of the United States. Uh, Poppy
hot Dog. Hey, guys, just want to start off by
saying everyone involved in the show does an excellent job
(02:34):
and I have loved listening for the past couple of years.
I grew up in Alabama, going to a private Christian
high school, and have spent many hours arguing with some
of my best friends about abortion and many other topics.
I am twenty five now and still friends with a
lot of these guys because I respect their opinion that
it is a life they are ending, regardless of your
belief in that. I do not think the people in
(02:55):
d C give us about ending a human life, even
if they believe that to be the case. I believe
the reason row versus way it was overturned was because
the population growth rate has begun to decline around the
entire world, specifically in the US. In order for capitalism
to work properly, the population must grow constantly at some
specific value because the top one percent or whatever and
(03:17):
need to have people at the bottom to make money from,
and rich people will always find a way to get
an abortion if they need it done. The more negative
people feel about capitalism, the less votes the Republican Party gets.
And I say this as someone who is very middle
ground politically and a fan of capitalism. It is in
the Republican Party's best interest that people want free market
(03:39):
because that is what gets them votes. This is why
I believe that it is the opinion of many of
them that we should ban all forms of birth control.
And a very rare example of politicians cutting into pharmaceutical profits. Well,
I believe abortion should be up to the individual receiving
it and probably their spouse of applicable. I do understand
the argument from some people that it should be illegal
because you're terminating a life. However, I cannot understand the
(04:02):
opinion of someone who is willing to take away rights
in order to help an ideology or economic system. Would
love to hear you guys think thanks poppy, hot talk,
um ma'am. Some very uh salient points there that I
think we thought about, and yeah, and and disgusted. Um specifically,
(04:23):
I really appreciated the pointing out of the very rare
instance of the Republican Party or just of government in general,
trying to cut into the profits of pharmaceutical companies. That's
pretty it is. It is very rare. It isn't pretty
exceedingly never gonna happen, Never gonna happen. Birth control is
(04:43):
not going to be outright banned on a federal level.
It's just it's it's not gonna happen. And you know what,
I would not be surprised if a lot of politicians
performatively arguing for a move like that. Also, No, it's
not going to happen. It could happen in maybe some states, right,
(05:04):
but I think that would also be short lived because
of the backlash will be involved. I think it's a
really interesting point, though, No Poppy about the uh about
the idea of growing a population. I want to shout
out again that excellent quote about caring about the unborn
(05:24):
and then forgetting about them once they have entered the
mortal world. You're talking, Poppy about what is usually called
sort of the population replacement rate. Uh. This is the
fertility rate you need overall to maintain, not necessarily grow,
(05:45):
to maintain the size of any given population. And it's
a very simple number. It's two point one children per
birth giving person. Right. This is the level you need, again,
not to grow, but to keep on keeping on. Right now,
(06:05):
in the United States, that that number is one point nine,
which explains what you pointed out earlier popular why the
population is decreasing, right, And we know that there is
a pattern that occurs. The pattern is usually this, the
more developed and economically successful the country becomes, the lower
(06:29):
the birth rate becomes. As a rule of thumb. The
only issue with this, and I agree with it. I
want to hear what you guys think the only issue
with this is that it describes a great deal of
intelligence and long term strategic planning to the political class,
(06:49):
which typically thinks in terms of two to four to
six years timed on election cycles. This is a payout
if if they are trying to create more people and
then naturally to keep those people poor. This is uh
a multi generational payout, meaning that you might not see
(07:09):
the benefits of that plan until well after your political
career has ended. And then, of course, the the argument
I'm thinking out loud here, the argument against that is
that these politicians are pursuing the wishes of their largest donors,
right of the kammakers and business tycoons can wait eighteen years. Maybe, ye, yeah,
(07:33):
I see your pointmen, But I also think that they're
pursuing their own interests. I mean, you know what happens
when your career in politics is over. Uh, You're you're
obviously feathering a nest in some way, shape or form,
whether you know you do it overtly and and brazenly
as some or it's a little more you know, hidden
in the pork as they say, you know, the things
(07:54):
that kind of slip into bill. Because I feel like
you know, at the end of the day. I mean,
all these politicians now are how benevolent that they may
seem they're in it for themselves, I think they're in it.
And again, not all of them. And I'm sure some
people have a lifelong, you know, desire to to serve
the public and to actually you know, be a valuable
member of a lawmaking body, and then the desire to
(08:16):
help their their fellow humans. But I think a lot
of times the people that are compelled to do the
things that it takes to get to those positions are
often not necessarily doing it out of sheer you know, charity. Um,
So to me, this argument makes sense. I'm not saying
that Democrats don't like making money too. I honestly think
sometimes the difference between the two parties is a lot
(08:38):
less than we think. In a lot of it's more
pageantry than it is actual functional reality, you know, and
that I think they're kind of after some of the
same things. Uh, And it's all just kind of like
we have to have this this tet a tet in
order to like create conflicts so that we kind of
ignore the fact that what's actually going on is we're
all sort of being screwed by both parties. But you know,
I do see the long game of like, you know,
(09:00):
putting in at least something, while not outright banning abortion,
something that will make it more difficult for poorer people
to get one, therefore making it more likely that they
will have an unwanted pregnancy, uh and an unwanted birth
that will then go on to become another poor person
that can be exploited much more easily than someone with
access to education. And it was wanted. And I'm not
(09:22):
saying that all people have lesser you know, means or
less the lower income tears are bad parents. That is
absolutely not true, um at all. But it's certainly perpetuating
a system that does tend to create, you know, folks
that are going to grow up to be drones. Right.
One thing that I have learned about double think shout
(09:46):
out to orwell, is that people can become very defensive
when their practice of double think is pointed out to them.
And and of course, you know, if you want to
if you want to make progress with anyone who has
an opinion or perspective different from your own, your job
is not to talk until you have listened extensively Listening
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is one of the most underrated, most important skills of
any human interaction, and a lot of people are just
terrible at it. I've been terrible at it in the past.
But the reason I'm bringing up this this mechanic is
because the double think that often applies here is the
idea of the idea of not keeping to a continual,
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consistent definition of pro life right pro life. Logically, this
is just being objective. Pro life would mean not just
ensuring that human is born, but ensuring they are born
into a place where they at least get a shot
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at a life worth living. And to force people to
remove their own bodily autonomy, which is uncomfortably adjacent to
chattel slavery in that respect. To remove that and then
to not follow through on your own self reported ideology
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to give those kids a shot at a life worth
living means that you are either not thinking through the
entirety of what you are purporting to support, or, i
argue this is the case with several politicians, you are
purposely misleading people for an ulterior motive. That's I mean,
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I know that might ruffle some feathers, and I'm not
being derogatory nor dismissive of people's ideology. I'm saying, an
ideology to be worth practicing should be consistent in its structure,
and in this case, what we're seeing is unfortunately inconsistent
and based more on convenience than it is on conviction.
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I yield my time, Okay, I I shall take that time, sir.
In my opinion, I don't think abortion factors in at
all to the growing trend of jobs being lost in
people finding themselves in a place where they have less
and less money. Uh. I was just I'm looking at
statistics here, looking at the estimated number of abortions that
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occurred in the United States in I think twenty nineteen.
It's somewhere between six five thousand and nine hundred thousand UM.
That's an estimated number. But then if you look at
the number of jobs that are being lost at all
times due to things like automation, uh, you know, like
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lower level jobs. Right, So somebody who doesn't make a
ton of money already, but has a job that gets
probably paid hourly and makes enough to almost survive in
this crazy economy that we live in, but then losing
their jobs due to automation. It's in the millions, and
it's only getting higher and higher. Where Like if you
look at something like Electronic dot Com, they've got a
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ton of statistics over here about the number of robots
entering the workforce right now, like two and a half
million that are that are currently in the workforce. Um,
I feel like we are automating ourselves to the same position,
the same place economically and from a population standpoint that
we're talking about, and it doesn't have anything to do
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with whether or not we UH allow children to be
aborted or not. As from a government standpoint, it's a
very interesting point, Matt. I hadn't really thought about that. Yeah,
I don't have to give it some unless unless the
plan is to you know, as you're saying, and as
Poppy is maybe speculating, the plan is to not allow
that procedure anymore, so that children are forced to be
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born into not so great situations, so that they're forced
to find a job for Were the halves right the
support the haves in some way, because ultimately when they
want this is this is my thing, the motivation would
be you need somebody who makes enough money to be
a proper consumer right to buy the things that the
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corporate owners. UH. That benefits the corporate owners, because that's
that's what many of us do. We just prop up
all these giant corporations by buying their stuff all the time, NonStop.
I see what you're saying, and I you know, I'm
going to speak on behalf of our fellow listeners, some
of whom are shouting at their speakers or their their
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their phones right now. By saying this, This concept of
an ulterior motive is UM bears a lot of similarity
to the argument that certain economic conditions have been tweaked
to maintain uh ready population of young, poor people with
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no alternative for success other than joining the military. I
would say that given the given what we know about
the human brain, and given what we know about the
way people tend to react when creating plans, it is
entirely plausible what happened was a kind of feedback loop
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or slippery slope, whichever analogy you prefer, where one thing
changed for a short term benefit, and then there was
a domino effect. Since we're just throwing out analogies, which
meant that, like let's say someone knows they're going to
make a killing off instituting UH student loans right, one
of the most you serious things happening in the US
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outside of privatized healthcare and now everybody else who makes
a plan on a large scale, on a macro scale,
they're not starting from square one, They're starting from square two.
The reality of the field has changed. And then it
continues is people keep making new plans off a differing
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baseline and towards the end. At some threshold, what happens
begins to look like from far away, a very well
thought out and coordinated conspiracy, when the truth is it's
just very smart and you know, not super ethical people
reacting to the creations of other people. I don't know
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the answer, folks, but I would say that we have
to acknowledge that sometimes there's just no one at the wheel.
There are many groups who want to be but there's
not one shadowy cabal just yet. Still, it's gonna be bad.
Gonna be bad. Removing bodily autonomy in almost any regard
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is a step towards slavery. That's my opinion. Here there
you go, and just last statistic here. According to Mackenzie
Global Institute study, UH, there could be roughly around as
an estimate seventy five million jobs globally lost to automation
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by which is just around the quarter. Yeah. Wow, we
really let with a downer at this time, didn't we.
Hopefully we have some of that hope that Ben promised
in the last episode we did coming up. But until then,
let's take a quick pause, let's hear a word from
our sponsor, whoever they might be. Uh, and then we're
back with some more messages from you. And then thanks
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again to Poppy pat Doc for the very thoughtful email.
Great back, and we have returned to this listener mail segment. Uh. Yeah,
it's gonna get worse before it gets better in terms
of joyousness. But uh, I've got some I've got some
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good news on the way. We'll see if it makes
it into uh this week's segment. I want to thank
everybody who hit me up on Twitter at Ben Bullying
hs W or hit me up on Instagram at Ben
Bulling w l I N because I went. I went
to you, folks and asked on behalf of our show
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the following I said, recording new conspiracy stuff episodes on
corporations buying up US homes fascinating slash frightening as anyone
had a recent experience buying a home or trying to.
I would love to share it on air. I'm paraphrasing
myself here, and I thought we could just list some
of these things, these short responses, and look at some
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trends in there, and I would love to hear you
guys take so. First trend, people getting inundated with flyers,
calls and text messages, sometimes after selling a home, sometimes
having had a home for years, and perhaps most oppressingly,
sometimes when a relative had passed away. Second common theme,
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all the stuff we outlined in yesterday's We did an
episode yesterday, So yesterday's episode banks Buying your Neighborhood Part one.
So I just read some of these. You'll notice some recurring.
Fellow conspiracy realist here, Uh Tall Pockets said, We've recently
had flyers left on our door asking if we'd be
willing to sell. I've also been contacted multiple times asking
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if I'd be willing to sell up property owned my
my deceased uncle. I can only assume they found my
info via skip trace. You guys know what skip traces? Right? Actually? Okay? So,
uh skip trace is is a general term for figuring
out where somebody's at and there are people who do
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this professionally called skip tracers skip tracing, and you'll often
hear it regarding finding a fugitive or finding a debtor
who's tried to ghost on what they owe. Bounty hunters
do skip tracing stuff like that. But what I liked
about what Tall Pockets is pointing out is that skip
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tracing isn't always for criminals. It also has commercial application.
Here is something that I think is is kind of
a good story from couch spotter over on Twitter. Couch says,
I'm in Texas, have two houses across the street bought
by a company and rented out. We refinanced three years
ago for a hundred and thirty grand and we have
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received mailed offers for two hundred and fifty to two
hundred ninety thousand dollars. A ton of people in the area.
I think, uh couches describing are older people selling to
downsize and cash in. That's common in retirement, right. And
we see multiple people say what Nate is saying on Twitter,
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I gave up on the idea of owning a home
long ago for a variety of reasons, and so many
people said that on Instagram and Twitter. Uh, there's a
ben Did you mentioned couch spotters response about the rent
they're charging for those homes by the way. Oh yeah,
he's saying they're renting for twenty two hundred dollars a month.
Two thousand, two hundred dollars. Uh, which sounds about right.
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And that's what I'm seeing too. Yeah, yeah, and we
agree with Couch. Wayne Couch says it's literally insane and
terrifying at the same time. Uh. Our good friends, the
meme master themselves, Holly says, Homie, I'm trying to move
in a studio apartment is minimum thirteen hundred dollars dollars.
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And let's go to one more tweet here from the
last black Hashira, who says, bro, it's happening in my
neighborhood right now. We got a whole block that are
all corporations and they bought up from twenty twenty till now.
And so I follow up with LBH and say, you
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know what part of the U S are you in?
LBH says, Tampa Bay Region. It's nuts. They overbid people
by thirty five to fifty thousand dollars. I bought and
built on an empty lot in the hood before anybody
gave about this place three years ago. And lb h,
this is something we hear in Atlanta all the time, right, guys,
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let's go international here, just a few more from from
Instagram this time. We'll call this person ce C wrights
In and says not in the US, but being outbid
constantly was painful. Only got my house because and I quote,
oh yeah, I remember, I think I would have held
you as a baby at the funeral he got caught
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in the baylor on the main road, referring to my
cousin's death in a farming accident in when I was
about eighteen months old. And yes, the seller was at
the funeral and it held me as a baby. I'm
picking this example in particular, guys, because I think it
illustrates some of the nepotism that we alluded to in
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part one of this episode. Have you have you all
heard stories in your own lives of people saying I
looked into this house because of a personal connection or
some kind of you know, nepotistic relationship. Spill it, what's
what's up. I think it's less nepotistic and it's more
a human connection. If you can actually make a human
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connection with someone attempting to sell their home before they
get I'm going to use a term here, corrupted by
by the sparkly nature of a giant offer twenty to
fifty dollars more than what a human could actually pay you. Um,
if you can make that connection, you can get a house.
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That's what I'm That's what I'm finding. It's funny you
say that, but it's also like, I mean, it's kind
of discouraged to meet the person you're trying to buy
a house from, or vice versa. That's the whole purpose
of real estate agents is to keep that human connection
from happening. That's what they'll say, know them before, you
could know them before, or reach out to them. They're
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just humans. Everybody's got social media. It's a good point.
The White website, I will add the first house that
I bought many years ago when I was married in Athens.
Part of the reason we bought is because we did
accidentally meet the owner and he was this charming older
gentleman who was an artist. We really loved his paintings.
We love the fact that he raised his family there
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and his kids there and all this stuff, and the
house was kind of a rip off. He had bondowed
over all kinds of crap on the porch, and there
were all kinds of things that were band aided that
the inspectors didn't catch. So I would argue that human
connection can go both ways. Here's a here's another UH.
Here's another quick update from our colleague, the creator and
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host of Beauty translated here on the I Heart Network,
Carman says, my boyfriend and I spent all summer last
year trying to buy a home here in Atlanta. We
made about twenty plus offers. We almost always got out
bid by an investor with cash and about fifty thousand
dollars over the asking price. We had to start calculating
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the extra fifty thousand dollars into our house buying budget.
The homes that we did get selected for didn't pass
the inspections, so we had to move on fifty dollars. God.
I mean, I've heard that around thirty is pretty standard,
even without having to compete with a with the developer
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like that, but fifty just seems heartbreaking. I mean, so
so much of this, UH is the power that you
have comes from your down payment, and so much of
that is a lifelong amount of savings you know, or
maybe you get help from family or who knows. That
is such a part of the whole equation. And if
you don't have that, then you're helpless. Uh. And and
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to make it where even people that have done their
due diligence and like save this money and and done
everything right are still incapable of of winning. It's just
it's gonna beat people down. The number is shocking to me.
We're going to find that what's happening is a lot
of times institutions, investment entities are paying over asking price
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by this level because they're not competing with you folks,
not really, they're competing with other institutions. And if those
other institutions can bring twenty thousand dollars over asking price,
then of course the next thing their competitor is going
to do is bring twenty five to thirty and then
the number builds up because overbidding has become normalized. Let's
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go to one more. Our good pal outdoor adventurer education,
that's what we'll call you, uh says. We sold our
home in November. We ended up selling it to a
friend that they could use as a rental property. So
the house was never officially on the market. We did
meet with an agent, but never listed, and we had
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a home inspection done. But for months we got calls
for we will buy your home for cash, and it
was actual people calling us, not recordings. This is what's interesting.
It gives us a little look at the process here.
Our agent told us it would happen as soon as
he started pulling info on the house. So as soon
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as there is activity right in certain databases, then imagine
all the almost like hyenas, right, Imagine all the ears
perking up in the valley and running towards the fresh meat. Yeah, God,
it's it's that way in my house right now, you guys.
M hm, it's very weird. The hyena's got that sent Yeah.
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I think I mentioned this without talking too much about
my own personal life, but it was it was very
strange when as as soon as by biological mother passed away,
I started getting all these correspondencies that we're just trying
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to buy my parents house, and they got the you know,
they got the ping to make that attempt, probably due
to public records of her passing, which I think is
simply ghoulish. Oh god, yes, well, it's sort of like
that thing. What was it where someone's parents found out
their daughter was pregnant because they got some automated piece
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of mail average Target or like baby products from Target
or something like that. You know, uh, it is ghoulish.
And you know, I mean, like I said, you know,
I mentioned on the last episode, I did just buy
a house. In the moment that happened, I'm getting all
kinds of crap in the mail for mortgage protection, mortgage insurance, this,
that and the other, and some of it is package
in a way that makes you think it's like a
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legal correspondence from the government and that what they're selling
you is like required by law, and it's not. This
is okay, all right, I know I said one one more,
but this is one more and more. There you go.
There's our encore for this. This is a report coming
from our friend Joe in Canada, in Vancouver, British Columbia specifically. No,
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we did a number of years ago. I think we
looked at the housing crisis in different metro areas of
Canada do in large part to foreign investment, right, and
I think we were as fair as possible in that episode,
but with a lot of Canadian contacts that I have
made through this show and through other pursuits, I found
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that there is a housing epidemic at this point. So
here's what Joe says. Joe says, laugh out loud, living
in Vancouver, BC, and my war story is, quote, are
you young and not a millionaire? Don't bother? And then
Joe says, detached houses are going for three hundred to
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six hundred thousand dollars over asking price, even if they
are absolutely trash. No subjects, no questions, just bidding wars.
He says, Now the tactic by realtors in UH in
Vancouver is to list low to incite bidding wars, and
then if they don't get the results they want, they
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pull the listing. Wait a second, and relist higher. And
even an unfavorable market, says Joe, the average price for
a detached home has creeped up to well north of
one point two to one point five million dollars. Yeah,
what home referring to exactly, It's a it's a home
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that stands alone like picture a yard house. Okay, it's
a house. Yeah, so Joe has Joe has an interesting
addecdote as well that he ends here with we purchased
our eight hundred square foot condo four years ago for
four hundred and twenty thousand dollars, and a comparable unit
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just sold for six hundred and thirty thousand dollars. So
even the attached market right condos is crazy here. And
then Joe says, town houses not sure if you guys
call it the same thing down south, are now listing
for nine hundred to one million dollars. I responded to Joe,
because there's a lot of construction here in Atlanta, and
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if I look out the right window where I'm recording now,
I can see town homes that are going for nine
hundred to one million dollars. And you guys know where
I live. It's not the best neighborhood. It's it's nuts. Um.
I just don't know how people can compete six hundred
thousand dollars over asking price. How is that not another house?
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How is it sure? But like, how is any of
this legal? I mean, I mean it is, I know
it is, but it's like it's just it's just kind
of run a muck, you know, and there's there's nothing
in place to protect anybody. Methinks it ought not to
be legal. Gents. I do think there's going to have
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to be some kind of regulation, like we talked about. Well,
I don't want to spoil too much. I think it's
in part two of the episode, the two part episode
that we we talked about this banks buying your your
home or hedge funds or whatever. Um I think I
think regulation is going to have to come through very
soon to roll back well what they started after the collapse.
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And at this point we're gonna pause. Thank you to
everybody who wrote in and shared your stories. If you
have your own story you'd like to share, we'd love
to hear from you. You know how to get in
touch me, and we tell you how to get in
touch with the show at the end of this week's
Listener Male segment. But for now, let's pause for a
(33:06):
word from our sponsor who I don't know, who is it?
Zelo who knows? Uh? And we'll return with another message
from you. All right, and we're back really quickly. Man.
I'm so sorry, I just had this thing in mind.
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I just found it. Um Ben, you were talking about
the last segment about you know, all these but we
buy houses for cash, you know signs. Apparently those yellow
signs first of all, are called bandit signs. I've never
heard that before, and uh, they're illegal, and they you know,
basically are like solicitation. But just just in the interest
of talking about how people will just try to put
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one over on anybody, I started to see versions of
signs like that don't say we'll buy your house for cash,
but they say we buy diabetic test strips. And as
we know that you, medical supplies for folks with diabetes
are quite expensive. Insurance off it won't pay for them,
and they can be in short supply. So it just
goes to show that anybody with an opportunity to make
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a buck, no matter how despicable, will do just that.
Have you found anyone that sells PS fives like after merch?
I think you're only allowed to have one? Right, Do
you mean he'll send me, he'll sell me more, your guy,
let's uh, let's off. Okay, okay, cool, I want to
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get on this. I need that haptic feedback baby, right,
there are a lot of years on us right now, fellas,
So okay, okay, okay, we'll be up at the HQ
after years and years go away. Not I'm just kidding.
You should stay. Let's listen to this message we got
from earth Shoman. Why you can just calm your earth
(34:50):
Shoman if you want. I had a conversation with the
fella earlier today. He happens to do survival training for
what we'll call operators, and um, of course, you know,
and in the course of the survival of things, the
conversation occurs, um, you know what, when is it going
(35:11):
to hit the fan? And this individual was told by
someone within that community, who obviously would have access to
a good amount of intelligence. They said that happened a
year ago. It's just the shock wave hadn't hit us yet,
so they are already making preparations to be in a
more strategic location elsewhere this and when that occurs. I
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didn't know there's anythings cover recently. I'm kind of do
to the show, but I wanted to get your guys
take on it. I think now there's not information around
it probably makes them educated guests and none of them
are nice. But thanks again, guys, take care, stay safe.
Oh man, thank you so much earth Shaman for sending
that to us, because you know that is just that's
that's a whole conversation. We're about to have and it's
(35:56):
gonna go dark and that's okay, But uh, really thank
you for having that conversation and then giving us a
call and letting us know about it. So, guys, what
are your immediate reactions? He's correctly, I mean, it depends
on how you want to how you want to define
(36:18):
this stuff. But the you know, the world is ending
for someone every day, right, it just doesn't always make
the news. But what depends I think it depends on
what you define as like what is what is the
feces right hitting the fan here um? If you're talking
about economic problems, then it does make a lot of
(36:40):
sense because we're talking about the interval between when something
can be said to have occurred, right, whatever that folk
raum is, whatever that hinge moment is, and the amount
of time it takes to hit the population right in
a widely noticeable, commonly experienced way. So by by those
(37:02):
parameters you can think of a tsunami. A tsunami doesn't
hit the coast the moment the earthquake occurs on the seabed.
It takes a while for the water to roll your weight,
and in many, in many ways, that is what is
happening now. The US is an enormously divisive time. Uh.
(37:24):
And the US is, you know, a country obsessed with itself,
so sometimes it forgets to look at global trends. There
is a rise of fascism across multiple multiple parts in
the world. There are increasingly restrictive laws, Uh, policing free speech.
I mean it's yes, it's also what's happening. Yeah, let's
(37:46):
get into some of those specifics. But at first, I
want to tell you a little bit more about earth Shaman. Uh.
You guys know me I gave gave the Shamana call.
Uh want to give you some more specifics about what
he was stating there. Uh, this is obviously a second
hand story. We know that from what he said. It's
a person he talked to who had spoken to somebody else, right,
the third hand story whatever, And so we don't have
(38:09):
a lot of specifics. That person wasn't being specific when
they talked to earth Shaman about what that thing was
that happened a year ago. But the conversation took place
roughly a month ago from today, So uh, in June
mid June. If we're talking about a year ago and
we want to really speculate on a thing an event
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or you know, whatever this bomb was that went off
that we're going to feel a shockway from It's sometime
in It's what what we're thinking here. Earth Shaman noted
that the economic stimulus payments stopped at a certain date.
He was he was just wondering if that might have
(38:50):
something to do with it. Um. We were also talking,
you know, we mentioned the instance that occurred on January six, uh,
and there are a couple other things. I just want
to kind of throw some things out at you guys
and see what you think about them. Stuff that happened.
There was the United States rejoining of the Paris Climate
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Accords and NATO. That was one of the major things
that occurred. The US withdrew from Afghanistan, which is you know,
if you're thinking about military action and then content major
consequences to something that occurred, that's a big one. Um.
There was what else happened in guys, I'm trying to
(39:34):
think of the other major things. Yeah, there was there
was that pandemic thing. Yeah, you know what I was
thinking about the major power outages that occurred in Texas
that went down to me, this is a climate change
(39:57):
related you know, And I mean I was thinking about, uh,
that stuff, and also how like there's a new story
that's been going around about the heat waves in the UK,
how like planes aren't able to land because like the
runways are melting, and like people are like dying and
homes are burning down, you know. I mean, I think
it's the climate change related to shoe that we're seeing
drop you know, on the regular. To me, it's got
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to be civil unrest, because civil unrest is the thing
that's going to tear down, like stop everything from working. Stress.
This is an operator and so there more likely than
average to be referring to political unrest. The statistics are there,
you know. I was talking with our pal Robert Evans
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about this a while back, quite a while back. Um.
He has an excellent podcast called it Could Happen here
to check it out. The issue is that you can
see you have to fight your own desire to classify
everything is an understandable and predictable pattern. But while doing
you cannot avoid the similarities in domestic US politics. Uh,
(41:06):
currently you can't avoid the similarities they bear to the
time leading up to the US Civil War, which again
is just a terrible name, is very rude and brutish
and cruel and nasty. It was very much not civil.
But but does this mean that a civil war in
actual war will occur. Not necessarily, it does mean that
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there may be secessionist movements that gain more steam than usual.
A lot of times secessionist movements simply don't have the um,
the training, and the tactical knowledge that they would need
to even stand a chance. And I think one mistake
a lot of people make when they talk about the
idea of secessionist groups or home trained, home cooked malicious
(41:55):
starting war, they forget that the normity of the US
military and intelligence apparatus. It is frightening and they will
reign fire because they do like, if there's a serious
secessionist then I guarantee you, unless the military and the
top brass are compromise, their approach is going to be
(42:19):
cut this off immediately, will handle whatever pr occurs afterwards.
It's true, right, We'll send a flamethrower vehicles into that compound.
We've seen it before. Yeah, wow, okay, well guys, yeah,
that's definitely my thinking that there's gonna be some kind
(42:40):
of desperation and enough people because I think we talked
about this too it's it's related. I really do feel
like infrastructure is going to break down due to the
extreme hot, cold, storm, you name it. And if it
breaks down on a wide enough scale for a long
enough time him then the people you know with the
(43:02):
guns will attempt to get what they need and the
people in charge of maintaining order will also use their guns.
And that's when it feels like stuff really breaks and
nobody sees themselves as the bad guy in this situation.
That's that's part that's important human thing to remember. Well,
we've also talked about things like water wars and water
(43:23):
disputes and now like those types of yeah, climate migrants
and means, they are all related. I mean, you know
you're gonna have climate change issues that result in fires,
and then when people get displaced, then they become civilly unrestful,
let's just say. And the same thing with like scarcity
and you know things that we need to survive like
water and food and all of that stuff. That's kind
(43:45):
of you know, further hit the fan when the other
thing hits the fan. Um, it's a it's a series
of very tenuously placed dominoes. Well, let's talk about what
Earth Strawman is doing gonna give a little more context.
This is why he had the conversation, and this is
why I think he's a very helpful person to learn
stuff from. Shaman has military experience, and Seman also is
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very good at some survival stuff like foraging. He's excellent
at foraging. He also grows foods. He's a farmer, and
he talked to this person that that he mentions in
his call at you know, a farmer's market where there
are a bunch of farmers getting together to sell their
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wares to other people. And the discussion was we need
to strengthen our ties as farmers because we are going
to have our own little microeconomy when the rest of
the economy collapses, because we'll be able to barter your
micro greens from my mushrooms, you know whatever, your butternut
squash for my corn. Um And I don't know, that
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just feels like a really smart thing to do to
have those kind of tax and to have something that
is barterable in those times, um, if not to manufacture it,
to at least have a good amount of something yet
point I mean, because one huge difference between like again
not to be alarmists, but just hypothetically thinking through the
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difference between a civil war in two versus or three
really versus a civil war in the eighteen hundreds is
the prevalence of technology and the dependence upon global supply chains.
During the time of the civil war, the US was
still uh in its majority and agrarian economy. That is
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no longer the case. UH. And it's it's quite intelligent,
I would say, shaman to have this sort of self
reliant skill. If you go to the Great Depression in
the nineteen thirties in the United States, another terrible name,
by the way, because it was not great. It was
you know, it sucked, but they didn't want to call
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it the sucking Depression. Uh. Anyhow, the the idea there,
what we saw happening was that these micro communities did propagate,
they did generate, right because you can't afford to buy things,
but you still have the same amount of time you
had the only true currency in the world. So you dedicate,
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you prioritize, and reallocate that time to refining and practicing
your skills that are useful to that local community. You
grow the food, and you trade the food, and you
find out that yet paper money and coins. They're nice,
but you can't eat them. You don't even really burn
that well if you're trying to start a fire. So
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there is you know, it's a it's a philosophical paradigm shift.
But it also makes me think of a question that
I have for you, Matt and Funeral and for everybody listening,
because earth Shaman is an example for the class. Earth
Shaman had a skill, right, So my question for you
and all our all our folks tuning into this week's
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listener mail segment is what skill are you working on
if everything falls down? Because I'll tell you what. I
love what we do here, but I don't think a
new civilization or a new self sustaining community necessarily needs
podcasters barred. I'm going to be a bard. Well, Ben,
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you can just be the leader of whatever group I
would follow you, sweet man, I'm gonna bug out the
real quick cool. Uh yeah. I I don't know what
I would be able to do, but I bug pretty
quick back. Yeah you do. It's very true, and you
got some good skills. You can fix a superca and
you can run a trot line. Right. I will chop
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as much would as you could possibly ever need so
Litz the last thing guys with on the foraging tip,
Shaman has some recommendations for everybody just so you can
hone your foraging skills if you want to. It's probably
a smart thing, smart survival skill for that full bushcraft
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badge that you might get one day or or need.
A couple of apps. One is called picture This apparently
that one's very popular, one called I Naturalist from nat
g O, and another one called seek uh. And all
three of these you can do interesting things like take
pictures of a mushroom that you find, or a berry
or whatever plant and you can find out if it's edible,
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how you can make it edible those kinds of things.
And the crowdsource often where there are other people using
the app and it has to get verified multiple times
before you can like, you know, agree everyone agrees that yes,
this this thing is edible or not. It's really really
really cool stuff. I don't have any of them yet.
I do have a few. Oh, this is what Seaman said.
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It gets a little weird when it comes to fun guy.
So unless you are with an expert, Yeah, yeah, it's
tough to tell with photographs often, So what what Shaman
recommends is getting into a Facebook group, because Facebook groups
often will respond rapidly, very quickly to a specific question
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if you are foraging, or if it's necessary for you
to forage in any moment um, that is, if there's
power and internet still. But a Facebook group can generally
respond to you and give a pretty good analysis of
a certain mushroom. But again, as Ben said, it's way
safer to either be an expert or to be with
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an expert before you just go chopping on fun. Guy.
That's the thing about community, I mean, think of all
think of all the services that you will need to allocate,
right for a true self sustaining community, even if it's
just keeping the lights on in the mid term, for
a return of rule of law, our normalcy. You a
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lot of people think about security, right, I want to
be the guy with the gun and says someone the
same way that kids on Xbox say, I want to
be the sniper. Right. It just feels cool, right, And
a lot of those folks don't have the training to
do so in a reliable and safe way. But if
we get past the hype and the fictionalized stories that
people tell themselves, then you're looking at things like you
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need a doctor who can also function as a veterinarian
and a dentist and help you know, barber to why
not go bid evil having to do the haircuts as well.
And you'll need someone who can help rear children. If
you have young people, you'll have need to have someone
who can help with the elderly. If you have older
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people who aren't necessarily physically able to contribute, you know,
in an arduous way, You'll need to have someone who
can repair every machine if possible, someone with engineering knowledge,
someone with kemm it knowledge of chemistry. Right, you'll need
You'll need plenty of foragers like Ersham and his pointing.
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Now you know what, Forget Matt, No, I'm I'm gonna
make a spreadsheet so he has a better spreadsheet. But
I think it's time we get this in writing and
figure out our team perfect and make sure it doesn't
go all Handmaid's Tale on us. That would be cool,
very much. I mean that would be cool if it
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didn't write Oh yes, okay, back, I'm back on board,
back on board um and would love to hear also
would love to hear the thoughts of our fellow listeners
who have pondered this before. Many people have been in
contact with a lot of people who have UM. We
get calls about this occasionally as well, and I think
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it's just important to not think in terms of some
hyper violent post apocalyptic action movie. If you want to
be realistic, think about it. You're thinking about food, water, survival,
and safety, right those those are what you're really thinking about.
And that means that a lot of the skills that
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are going to be mission critical, they're not super sexy.
They're not the no scope sniper from some multiplayer Xbox game.
There there are people who are like, I know how
to grow tomatoes even in this terrible, terrible climate. It's
isn't a classic human It's like a post apocalyptic situation,
but it's boring. It's human. It's mostly scheduling binality of humanity.
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Have you guys seen the New Resident Evil? It starts
that way. It's like, man, is so boring doing the
research for this post apocalyptic zombie stuff like an unrelated
or tangentially related like in that segment and red Dead
redemption to where you are. This isn't much of a
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spoiler where you're basically doing chores. There's tons of games
like that. There's like office simulator, there's like like working
in a restaurant simulator, there's like this is a thing
people like like. Well, in the interest of education, then
I propose that we make a realistic post apocalyptic America
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survival simulator and we really drive home the message that
a lot of the stuff you need to do is
not going to be personally exciting to you. You know
what I mean? Well, and and and one of the
newer Fallout games, you you are able to kind of
build yourself a little structure that you have to you know,
collect scrap metal to do. And honestly, that was the
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most boring part of the game and I never went
back to it. So yeah, but we just need to
make it to where you have to cut every board,
you have to form every piece of iron, nail every nail.
Uh So, what an excellent conversation. Know, we went a
little bit a little bit long in this week's listener
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