November 17, 2022 • 42 mins
Fiona hips the gang to the bizarre, disturbing tale of a man called -- occasionally -- "Nicholas Rossi." Plaquetos calls for more information about the ongoing Appalachian belief in a certain type of haunting spirit. RC prompts a conversation about the effects the moon may have on your body and mind. All this and more in this week's listener mail. They don’t want you to read our book.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis Code Dame Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. Hurdling headlong toward the end
of two to the beginning of twenty three, and shout
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out to all the long time listeners who have been
there with us since the pre YouTube days. As Matt
likes to point out, we got our start on Apple
Video Podcast, which is increasingly becoming like our album came
out on eight track, those big car phones, remember those? Yeah,
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it's like that. And with with this we have once
again put in some time in our continuing mission to
hear about uh the best part of the show, you
and your fellow conspiracy realists. Today we're going to talk
about the ancient question regarding the effects of the moon.
It's gravitation, it's folklore, effects on the human body and society.
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We're also going to encounter some questions about folklore in Appalachia,
in the southern US and East Tennessee and specific uh
and this might be a fun one because spoilers. Some
other folks have written to us via email regarding strangely
similar things. I guess it's just that time. But before
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we do all of that, we have I have to ask,
quite shouldn't for you? Guys? Have you ever heard of
a man named Nicholas Rossi? No? I know? Uh? Good, good, good,
I want to say, but we're in for a wild ride.
And before we start this week's listener mail segment, important
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notice the first third the first act here will contain
descriptions of uh sexual violence, and as such may not
be appropriate for all listeners. Here's this story. Fiona writes
to us and says, this guy beat me here, Doc,
He'll say any madge to drag this out as long
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as possible. Nicholas Rossi, alleged fugitive, says he was tattooed
in hospital. Heck of the headline, right, And usually when
you go to hospitals it's not to get tattoos. That
those are two things we know, right objectively, but I
had not been familiar with this guy before this, before
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this story, so thank you to Fiona. It is true.
There is a man who hauls himself Nicolas Rossi, who
says that he was tattooed in a hospital against his will.
But that is just our entry point into the story
of a man named Nicholas Olave Verden, whom I assume
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none of us have heard of yet. No, okay, alright,
so so all right, this guy for a time he
was a darling of advocacy because he was in the
foster care system and he was you know, he survived.
We've got a lot of people who are listening who
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have been in the foster care system, had a good
experience or a terrifying traumatic one. We also have a
lot of really really no bowl foster parents who are
trying to help give kids a safe place to be
creative and grow. Nicholas did not have that experience in
Rhode Island. He actually advocated quite publicly for changes and
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improvements to the foster system. However, if you search for
him now, whether under his real name, I'll Hverdian or
his one of his assumed names, Rossi you'll see that
he is much better known as a sex offender US
Base who attempted to fake his own death in as
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the heat got too close. The story that Fiona is
sharing with us is a recent development with this guy.
UH will go in order of operations here, we'll talk
about the numerous assaults and then we'll talk about the
pseudo side again a little word of the day, UH,
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and then we'll talk about how this tattoo thing became
a thing. So in January of two thousand eight, in Ohio,
this person UH offered to walk walk a Sinclair Community
College student to her next class, and then he pinder
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against the wall and groped her while he pleasured himself.
And when she tried to fight back, he said, I'm
almost done. Don't be a b word. UH. And then
later he apologized and said he couldn't help it because
she was so beautiful. She said, don't tell anybody. She
naturally made a police report because as a monstrous action.
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Later same year, he is UH convicted under a different
name of public indecency and sexual imposition for that incident.
He's required to register as a sex offender. UH. He
tries to get a retrial doesn't go through because the
judge reviewing it was pretty sure that the legal process
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had been conducted as it should be. Uh. He then,
in ten tried to sue multiple people, saying that he
was deprived of a jury trial. He also sued his
victim and wrote an essay called My Personal nine eleven
when he compared her actions, which were essentially resisting sexual assault,
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to the actions of terrorists. On September eleven, two thousand ten,
he pleads no contest to domestic assault where he is
taught red handed and media arrests by police abusing a
woman another woman in he November twenty, he gets married.
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His then wife says she's divorcing him and has a
restraining order. He marries a second time. Second wife divorces
him due to gross and collective duty and extreme cruelty,
and then he also threatened her with a blade with
a knife of some sort. In he fakes his death
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not because of all of his rampant abuse and misogyny,
but because he learns the FBI is investigating him for fraud.
A lot of this comes from a great regional outfit,
the Providence Journal. They report this in his former foster
mother Sharon Lane says that this guy, Nicholas Oliverdian, opened
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twenty two separate credit cards under her husband's name, and
by he had moved to Ireland because he was hoping
that this would get him further away from the jurisdiction
of the FBI, but nobody was really sure where he
was going. Um In two seventeen, something starts happening in Utah.
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They start processing a backlog of untested sexual assault kits.
One of them from two thousand eight matches Nicholas Aliverdian's
DNA and it's from that investigation into the two thousand
eight Ohio assault. So people are looking for this guy.
When he faces his death, he tries to lay groundwork
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in the front. He says he had been diagnosed with
non Hodgkin lymphoma, terrible condition. He also said that he
also made it public in the media, like he called
and told the Providence Journal himself that they had to
publish something about his illness. Then he had someone claiming
to be his widow calling to say that he had
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died and giving copies of a death certificate or something
like that. This doesn't hold water. Eventually people start asking
questions about what happened to him? And so December of
last year, he gets arrested at the Queen Elizabeth University
Hospital that's in Glasgow, Scotland, regarding that two thousand eight
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sexual assault. And he got arrested, you guys, because he
was getting treatment for COVID nineteen under a third name,
Arthur Knight, not super creative like Arthur and the Knights
of the Roundtable Arthur Knight, and he was identified by
ding ding observations of his tattoos, which matched police records
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for this rossy character. Furthermore, scarring on one uh one
of his tattoos suggested that he had attempted to remove them,
but not a professional laser job like an old school
scraping skin off basically and probably stopped because that hurts
a deal. So he gets he gets caught. H he
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has a bail hearing remotely these are high level details,
and they grant him bail because they think this guy's
got COVID. He's gonna be a hospital for weeks. The
day after he makes bail, he skips the hospital. He
tries to go via private taxi and he tries to
source oxygen. I know, and and so uh so he's
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in court and he starts making these I don't want
to call him ludicrous because he hasn't been convicted, but
he starts making these um difficult to believe claims. They say, look,
your DNA matches. He says, it wasn't me all a
Shaggy from that song. And then they say, okay, well,
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you've got these distinctive tattoos on both of your arms.
One of them is a red cross above an angel wing.
Not a lot of people have that, so we're pretty
sure it's you. And then this guy has it's merity
to say, throughout the eighteen days I was comatost, I
did not have free will over my body. I've never
had tattoos prior to being in hospital. Uh. He He
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also says he has other people connected him with these
tattoos Tree hospital stay. And then he said, during his
waking moments, there were many many people in the ward.
There was water contamination. Uh. And then the sheriff stopped
him and said, stopped drifting off topic. And you guys
during this, during this conversation, during this hearing, his accent
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switches POSH received British, we call it, uh, maybe a
US accent. He says it's because he's oxygen deprived. I
want to stop there. I want to stop there. Don't
want a monologue, I know, not at all. This is
a really fascinating story. I just want to say. There
was an article that you posted from the BBC where
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one of the headers was accent switched and I was like,
is this a like what's the word like a euphemism?
No it is not. No, no, he Uh, he did
say that. He did say that due to oxygen deprivation,
he was you know, he blamed it on something else.
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He didn't say that he was losing control of of
his of his lies. Also pulled an older Providence Journal
report from February where he talks about the horrors of
the foster system. So the guy definitely likes the spotlight, right,
but there is a clear pattern, at least if you know,
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the prosecutors and the victims are to be believed of
him victimizing women. It says he So you we mentioned
two marriages or three he had, So this part it's
a good question that this part is a little unclear
to me as well. Uh, it's tough because we might
not know the full extent the guy has gone under
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no less than ten or eleven different names right now. Yeah,
so there may be there may be other people out
there who got married to this predator, but it was
it was at least two. We don't know very much
at all about the person claiming to be the widow
would have also been in the US. My question starts
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to become how did this guy get across the Atlantic? Right? How?
How did he do it while being the subject of
a federal level investigation for fraud? I couldn't possibly tell you.
I mean, aren't you on watch lists for much less,
for much lesser offenses. I mean, I've been detained for
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having the wrong color suitcase, you know. I mean, I'm
just you know what I mean? Like, this doesn't make sense. No,
I agreed, it seems um, it's seems like this These
defenses aren't going to hold water. But it's also it's
strange because there are a lot of gaps here. There
are a lot of questions, how did this guy get
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along get along and away with being a predator for
so long? Again, has not been convicted as we record this,
so I do want to be careful with that language.
But the other questions, how did he have the resources
to do this. Was it income from the various frauds
he enacted. If that's the case, then how was I mean,
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he almost certainly wasn't using those cards, right because the
FBI already popped them for that one. I'm just wondering
whether this guy has any connections, whether he is a
lone actor. I'm not sure at this point. How confident
would you say, ben our authorities that this person is
that Arthur Knight who is the one in the who
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was comatose? Yeah? Yeah, How confident are they that it
this is the guy? They're extremely confident the DNA as
a match. Okay. Uh, he also is He also got
hit with two further allegations. This just happened today. As
we record on November nine, he was facing two more
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allegations of sexual assault as he continues to fight extradition
in the United States. Uh, this goes across different state boundaries.
Let's see. Uh, the Daily Mirror is saying he's sexually
assaulted twenty one year old woman in Utah, but then
you'll see other places saying that's in Ohio. This is
still developing story and it's it's definitely something heavy. But
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I want to thank Fiona for alerting us to this. Uh,
and then also opening the door for an unpleasant but
necessary conversation. How many other people are slipping through the
cracks like this? How many other people make it out
beyond jurisdiction and managed to dodge interpool long enough to
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continue some damage. Just think about the documents alone that
you would need to pull off, all the stuff that
this person has pulled off, Like, you can't just go
by a name for a lot of purposes. You've got
to have something right. Oh, they also have his fingerprints,
like the typical ways you would think of confirming an
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individual's identity. They got him. Uh, why then would somebody? Okay,
first off, is it possible to do ornamental tattoos like
this when someone's put under? I guess so with the
right hand of short But why why why would you
do that? Well? Yes, that's got to be his narrative, right,
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It's so funny And this is unrelated kind of But
initially when I heard this headline, Ben, I think of
the kinds of tattoos that the Nazis gave Jews in
concentration camps, like what now in hospital we get as
a risk band, or like a you know, a tag
of some kind used to be done, or like you know,
the way you think of like in Stranger Things, where
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like the characters who have been experimented on have these
tattoos with their like code, or like you know inmate name,
That's what I think of when I think of like
I was given tattoos in hospital. M m oh. There
is a current wife in the picture. Her name is
Miranda Knight, and she and her husband have started a
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pr business to fund his battle against extradition. Again, this
is an ongoing story. We're gonna keep this one short.
Thank you very much, fellow conspiracy realist Fiona. Let us
know if you are aware of similar stories of people
like this, predators, con artists, so on. We're gonna keep
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our ears to the ground on this one. Will update
as there is more to come. But in the meantime
we're going to pause and will we're turn with another
message from your fellow listeners, and we're back and we
are going to hear a voicemail left by someone calling
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themselves plaquetos yahya can call me plaquetos um. I just
got done listening to the first part of the Things
that Creep around in the night episode and made me
think there's a lot of old timers here in Deece, Tennessee.
Who um, and I got Min's more off of me
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a little bit. Doo. There's scared to deaths of the
creatures sounds awful similar to haunts. Um, if you won't
hear anybody say it around here. Uh. And I know
a lot, a lot lot of people who place you know,
bowls of rice or brooms at their doors because there's
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supposedly a Yeah, they feel contilled stoff account things. Uh,
but they're legitimately concerned about them, you know, showing up
and doing evil things. Will leave at that. But I
know Ben talked about having sometimes to the East area,
and I was just curious if, Yeah, I'd be very
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interested to hear any tales of old timers you knew, man.
Uh love the show and can't wait for next episodes
to come out. So yeah, okay, yeah, question, Thank you
Placuto's it's really really good stuff. You know, we liked
those episodes where we get to talk about folklore and
you know, so the supernatural side of the planet, right, Um, Ben,
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I wanted to ask you plactos mentions haunts which I
thought I kind of knew, but I didn't understand the
difference between I guess a haunt and a what what
I would pronounce haint h A I n T. Is
that the same thing, that's what That's what Plactos is
referring to. Yeah, O K A I n T. This
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could be considered most often considered an angry evil spirit
or a spirit that has been turned to turned towards anger.
So there may be a sense of vengeance right an
unjust death. Uh. It can also be you know, honestly,
I mean kind of similar to an Aswong. It can
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be a an undefinable thing. But plactose Uh, this message
made my day because it's something that's easy to laugh
at if you if you have not, you know, been
in that environment or that community and experienced this stuff directly.
You know, history is much closer than it appears in
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the rear view mirror. There are tons of folkloric vestiges
right of ancient cultures, and I think a lot of people,
I don't want to put anyone in a box here
before their time, but I think a lot of people
forget that the US South, the Southeast in particular, is
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a tremendous mixing pot of global cultures over hundreds and
hundreds thousands of years. Really because the folks who were
here before Europeans, they also had this panopoly of cultures
that are different and distinct and have some overlaps, and
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all of this combined. This reminds me of like UM.
One example is Hain't blue. Have you guys heard of that?
You may have heard of it. Yeah, there's a Sherman
Williams color of paint blue. It's a specific color that
is supposed to confuse any spirit or wandering spirit like
this with the ocean. So you see this blue, especially
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if it's painted on the exterior of a house, like
on the porch like um, I guess above the porch,
if you imagine like a covered porch. That's very common,
fascinating stuff to actually have. You know, a major paint
company have this as as one of their colors. That's mentioned.
So I want to just really quickly, I wanta jump
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to hants dot org h A I n T s
dot org uh And they mentioned that. I just found
what you're talking about ben hants and haunts. It's kind
of interchangeable. It's it was originally Haint and it comes
from the Golaguchi people. If you think about in Georgia,
some of the barrier islands over there, like near Savannah, Georgia. Uh,
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some of the some of the groups of people who
were brought to this country have that as a belief
that carried over then into the US. Um they're saying
it is often a wandering spirit uh often described in
who Do Beliefs as a similar way someone who is
quote seeking to chase victims to their death by exhaustion,
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which is a terrifying concept. Well, it makes me think
of like the Grudge, you know, like that movie The Grudge,
where there's like a malevolent spirit that is just messing
with you until you lose your mind. M m hmmm.
So I want to I want to talk about that
the protections that you're getting into there with that blue color. Ben. So,
what our color is referring to is two methods of
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protecting one's home from these things that there's that blue
and then the other one is uh leaving rice a
bowl of rice by the door and or a broom
by the door. And I have found in a couple
of places, specifically on this website called Keith dots and
dot com references to exactly how to protect yourself, and
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one of them is these counting tricks. Heard that yeah,
like putting uh. Like in the old days, they used
to put newspaper on the wall, the idea being that
this would also distract the spirit as it would be
compelled to uh to read this stuff or you know,
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compelled to count the grains of rice. Right, It's not
the same as in some East Asian folklore where you know,
like the Festival of Hungry Ghosts, where you appease a
spirit by ceremonially feeding it. In this case, um, there
are there are some other analogs in global folklore with
the idea that you throw out you know, dried beans
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or something like that, in the creature has to stop
and count them, which gives one enough time to escape.
But uh, but yeah, yeah, that's really cool. They're they're
saying it would give you enough time basically until daybreak
because then, at least according to the folklore, these things
can't attack when it's not nighttime. Well, also with the
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Roma people, Um, there's a community of them that that
lives in my hometown or near my hometown, Augusta Georgia,
and they'll build these communities, and they'll build these houses,
and then they'll cover the windows and tinfoil um for
a period of time because they feel as though they're
using that to exercise any malevolent spirits. And it's not
the same as counting, but I would argue that the
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tinfoil has in some way a deflecting power, perhaps in
their minds. I feel like they would trap them inside.
Yeah I would, I would do that, but you know,
that's that's what they do. There's also salt, you know,
that's pretty common a lot of circles. Yeah. But one
thing plateaus that you mentioned that I think people should
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take seriously, as strange as to me seem to outsiders,
is that folks who believe in this aren't going to,
like you said, they're not going to say it. You know.
One of the colloquialisms for this is the idea of
speaking something up right, the idea that by mentioning it
one makes it more manifest in this world. And um
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without you know, about going too deep into my own thing,
and I don't want to put anybody just uh yeah,
I like you plactos. I grew up in an environment
where there were um, there were older people, um who
were quite convinced about this. There's religious syncretism all across
the US South. And what I mean by that is
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that people might say, oh I am a Christian or
oh I am you know, insert modern religion here. But
you will see a lot of things like root work.
You will see a lot of things like you alluded to, Matt,
who do practices uh, and they're they're simply accepted as
part of UM, as part of a spiritual system. And
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I would say also in their defense, even those of
us here in this who consider themselves to be very skeptical,
please do remember that these ancient beliefs which go back
to the African continent, which go back uh to pre
Columbus days, those ancient beliefs are also the source is
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of information for a lot of medicines that have saved lives.
There's you can't throw the whole thing out, you know.
And as we always say in this show, we don't
tell people what to believe. But I would just say,
if you're a stranger in a strange land and somebody
tells you to watch out for something, even if you
think it's just some twilight zone and Halloween stuff. Listen
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to them well advised. Yes, if you're worried about a haunt,
another couple of things you could do. Plant some bottle trees,
find some bottle trees, plants them. You know, Okay, I'm impressed, man,
I'm impressed. These bottle trees are another thing that comes
from the African continent. Again, that's one of the reasons
that it's wrapped up in some of the folklore. But
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these haunts or hants are supposed to be caught in
these things, similar to how they get distracted with the
broom or the rice. They just get physically caught in
these trees and then again morning comes and like a vampire,
they're gone, bye bye. Uh. This really interesting stuff. I
just never heard of it, And I'd love to put
a call out to anybody else listening. If you if
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you're willing to talk about these kinds of things. As
Ben said, sometimes it's not what you're kind of supposed
to do is talk about it. We would love to
hear your story. If you don't mind it, maybe typing
it out won't be as bad. I don't know, do
you think, guys? I think typing it is the same
as speaking it. I think it is. Yes, you're speaking
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with your mind into practice kind of. I think we're
in the world of magic. Thought is an action. Okay,
all right, well do what you gotta, put some salt
around you, and then send us an email. We'll see
what happens. All right. We'd love to hear from you,
so do right in. Give us a call however you
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contact us. Let's take a break here, a word from
our sponsor and we'll be right back. And we're back
with and final missive from r C. I'm only saying
r C because this individual did not give permission to
use their name. So I'm just trying to be as
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thoughtful as possible. Here we go. My wife is a
public service worker PSW. I think that's that stands for
it's like someone that is works in a hospice, or
like cares for someone in need. Um and worked with
the night shift at an old folks song. She tells
me that when it's a full moon, the residents moods change.
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They become aggressive, restless, and unmanageable. Every time there's a
full moon, she dreads going into work, knowing that it's
going to be a show her words. I think it's
weird how the moon can affect a person's emotions and
or actions. Also, my mother has always referred to a
woman's minstrual cycle as getting her moon time. I'm not
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too sure why that's the end of the email. Um,
these are very real things. The moon controls the tides.
It literally did Herman's how the tides you know, go
in and out magnetically speaking, So why wouldn't it be
something that affects us bodily. We know that magnetic fields
can affect us mentally and physically. Um, I think it's
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no surprise that the cycles of the moon affects, you know,
our bodies, whether you're a woman, a woman menstruating, or
whether you're a man. I mean, where do you think
myths like werewolves come from? The idea of on the
full moon, everyone goes crazy, you know. The werewolf myth
is sort of a way of explaining that. Yeah. The uh,
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the thing here is that there's a lot of anecdotal evidence.
You will also find studies that appear to shoot holes
in these experiences. But I think it's very important to
note that these studies often by their nature kind of
attenuate their scope or narrow their scope such that they
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are not as they they're not looking at things as
broadly as someone who would be continually in that world
like you are, r C. I remember one study that
came out, Yeah, there are multiple one specifically about whether
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or not the full moon influences or agitates rather nursing
home residents, and they said that they didn't see as
much agitation. But one thing they're not accounting for in
this in this study from eight nine is the idea
of people struggling with dementia or Alzheimer's, which absolutely changes
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the game here for sure. And we know about things
like circadian rhythm and that I see you chumping in
the bit to say something, and I'm just going to
pass it right to you. I'm was going to talk
about the full moon slash eclipse that just happened on
election night, which, if you want to talk about influencing things,
what a night to have a full moon and in
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eclipse that's all so motive be bro Uh do you
know what what type of eclipse it was? Guys? It
has a very specific name. I don't but I don't
want to spoil it. Is that a blood moon situation?
It is? But it's a specific type of blood moon. Sorry,
conversation earlier. Oh no, I don't, I don't know. I
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don't know. It's was called and is called in according
to most places that I've seen a beaver blood moon.
Oh god, sorry, I heard myself echo through your headphones
when I said that. That's just funny. Okay, okay, I'm sorry.
I'm gonna put my childish ways behind me. Why is
it called a beaver blood moon? It's any full moon
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during the month of November is a beaver moon. Also
believe the full moon in November, at least in this language,
the idea of calling a beaver moon is that beavers
are working continuously to build themselves dams for the winter.
How cute. Uh. The symbolic representation for people who follow
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a spiritual side of it is that the blood moon,
or the beaver blood moon in particular, represents you'll love
this man with the election uh connection uh. Quote represents
a time when people come to terms with information that
could change their lives, and that comes from a vice article.
We have things like like like the harvest moon, and
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there's lots of different you know, folkloric names for cycles
of the moon. Hey wait, wait, wait, well, do you
know what an August full moon is? Tell me it's
a sturgeon moon. Isn't that exciting? Like the fish? Yeah, well,
that's funny you say that, Matt, because that actually leads
right into what I was about to say. There's a
study from twenty six, no sorry, two thousand six the
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Lunar cycle Effects on Human and Animal behavior and physiology.
And I read the abstract. I didn't pay the money
to read the whole thing, but it's very interesting that
they talk about specifically fish UH reproduction cycles in terms
of ovulation and like creating these like giant like you know,
sacks of eggs or whatever. Um. The lunar cycle may
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affect hormonal changes early in philo genesis. In fish, the
lunar clock influences reproduction and involved the hypothalamus pituitary gondol axis.
In birds, the daily variations in a melatonin and UH
core cortis cortic costune disappear during full moon cycles. I wonder,
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what's that? What that's about. The lunar cycle also affects
UH laboratory rats with regards to taste sensitivity and the
ultra structure of pineal gland cells and if anybody knows
anything about the pineal gland, that is a gland that
contains uh, that thing that we always talk about the
Illuminati wants, right, what's that stuff? A drena krone? Isn't
(35:00):
that in the pineal gland? The pineal gland is considered
a kind of psychedelic gland. It's like the third eye.
The pineal gland is what like in discussing psychedelic experiences,
the pineal gland they say is very important to gland um.
But here's the last line in the abstract. Although the
exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals
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awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of bio rhythm
may be helpful in this is You're gonna love this
Matt in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals.
They really just did a mite drop with police surveillance.
Where that come from? That came out of nowhere? What
does that have to do with? I mean, no, I
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know what it has to do with the idea that
people act worse in full moon nights, like oh, it's
a full moon, gonna get crazy tonight, you know, I
still believe and I will pause it this forever that
it just has to do with more light. There is
more light in general at night when there's a full moon.
It's easier to see things, it's easier to move around
(36:04):
and get things done. If you're planning getting something done. No,
it doesn't matter what it is, and there's more reason
to go out. I think, all right, fair, that's fair. Um, jeez.
I don't really have a whole lot else to add
to this. Um. I think our c very much for
bringing this to mind. And by the way, do you
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guys have opinions. I haven't googled this specifically or like
researched this, but I think it is pretty commonly accepted
that the moon's cycle does affect menstruation in the I mean,
and also the idea of women living together there they
cycle up with each other. Yes, uh, yeah, so a
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couple of things like I One thing I think is
really interesting about your comment, that is, there's a great
experiment that happened in Japan where they found, uh, turning
street lights blue actually decreased incident of violence. Uh. We
can't escape the fact that the majority of higher order
organisms on the planet grew up or evolved under the
(37:10):
gravitational cycle of the moon. Right, there's a reason it
moves the oceans. We know that. To your Pointnal, the
science and lore behind minstrel cycles and the moon, they
might be their own sort of um, they might be
their own episode because a lot of scientific studies will
(37:31):
try to rebuke this hypothesis and they'll say they found
no proof that the minstrel cycle is affected by the
by the position movements of the moon, But the general
public is still fascinated by this idea, and I just
I think without research, to be respectful, we can't make
(37:51):
a conclusive statement about that until we have read everything
as well, because it could be very conscious. We're three dudes. Well,
I think we're conjecturing here. This is the kind of
stuff that has a lot of roots in lore, uh,
in folklore and in magic, you know with a c K.
You know, the idea of like doing rituals based around
(38:12):
the full moon, and the idea of werewolves being triggered
by the full moon. I mean, it is something that
is fascinated, um, you know us culturally for a very
very long time. And I think usually when that's the case,
there's some like with a lot of conspiracy theories a
grain of truth to it scientifically, even if we can't
fully explain it and wrap our heads around up. Well,
(38:34):
there's always the one there's always the one fact that
escapes a lot of people. Whatever. They talk about the
influence of the moon on living things, and that's simply this.
Humans do not fully understand gravity here in the modern day.
So without understanding something, how do you begin to understand
its effects. It's a tough eclipse, you know. It's a tall, tall,
(38:56):
ghostly milkshake. It's it's all ghostly drink of water. I
love it now, It's true. Um. But that's what we
do here on the show is is talk about these
kinds of things and talk about the science and what
is out there and available and kind of bridge that
gap between the mystical and the explainable. So thank you
rc um for that email. I thought it was a
very interesting thing to think about. And with that we
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It's gravitation, it's folklore, effects on the human body and society.
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We're also going to encounter some questions about folklore in Appalachia,
in the southern US and East Tennessee and specific uh
and this might be a fun one because spoilers. Some
other folks have written to us via email regarding strangely
similar things. I guess it's just that time. But before
(01:55):
we do all of that, we have I have to ask,
quite shouldn't for you? Guys? Have you ever heard of
a man named Nicholas Rossi? No? I know? Uh? Good, good, good,
I want to say, but we're in for a wild ride.
And before we start this week's listener mail segment, important
(02:19):
notice the first third the first act here will contain
descriptions of uh sexual violence, and as such may not
be appropriate for all listeners. Here's this story. Fiona writes
to us and says, this guy beat me here, Doc,
He'll say any madge to drag this out as long
(02:42):
as possible. Nicholas Rossi, alleged fugitive, says he was tattooed
in hospital. Heck of the headline, right, And usually when
you go to hospitals it's not to get tattoos. That
those are two things we know, right objectively, but I
had not been familiar with this guy before this, before
(03:06):
this story, so thank you to Fiona. It is true.
There is a man who hauls himself Nicolas Rossi, who
says that he was tattooed in a hospital against his will.
But that is just our entry point into the story
of a man named Nicholas Olave Verden, whom I assume
(03:29):
none of us have heard of yet. No, okay, alright,
so so all right, this guy for a time he
was a darling of advocacy because he was in the
foster care system and he was you know, he survived.
We've got a lot of people who are listening who
(03:51):
have been in the foster care system, had a good
experience or a terrifying traumatic one. We also have a
lot of really really no bowl foster parents who are
trying to help give kids a safe place to be
creative and grow. Nicholas did not have that experience in
Rhode Island. He actually advocated quite publicly for changes and
(04:16):
improvements to the foster system. However, if you search for
him now, whether under his real name, I'll Hverdian or
his one of his assumed names, Rossi you'll see that
he is much better known as a sex offender US
Base who attempted to fake his own death in as
(04:39):
the heat got too close. The story that Fiona is
sharing with us is a recent development with this guy.
UH will go in order of operations here, we'll talk
about the numerous assaults and then we'll talk about the
pseudo side again a little word of the day, UH,
(05:02):
and then we'll talk about how this tattoo thing became
a thing. So in January of two thousand eight, in Ohio,
this person UH offered to walk walk a Sinclair Community
College student to her next class, and then he pinder
(05:24):
against the wall and groped her while he pleasured himself.
And when she tried to fight back, he said, I'm
almost done. Don't be a b word. UH. And then
later he apologized and said he couldn't help it because
she was so beautiful. She said, don't tell anybody. She
naturally made a police report because as a monstrous action.
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Later same year, he is UH convicted under a different
name of public indecency and sexual imposition for that incident.
He's required to register as a sex offender. UH. He
tries to get a retrial doesn't go through because the
judge reviewing it was pretty sure that the legal process
(06:09):
had been conducted as it should be. Uh. He then,
in ten tried to sue multiple people, saying that he
was deprived of a jury trial. He also sued his
victim and wrote an essay called My Personal nine eleven
when he compared her actions, which were essentially resisting sexual assault,
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to the actions of terrorists. On September eleven, two thousand ten,
he pleads no contest to domestic assault where he is
taught red handed and media arrests by police abusing a
woman another woman in he November twenty, he gets married.
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His then wife says she's divorcing him and has a
restraining order. He marries a second time. Second wife divorces
him due to gross and collective duty and extreme cruelty,
and then he also threatened her with a blade with
a knife of some sort. In he fakes his death
(07:19):
not because of all of his rampant abuse and misogyny,
but because he learns the FBI is investigating him for fraud.
A lot of this comes from a great regional outfit,
the Providence Journal. They report this in his former foster
mother Sharon Lane says that this guy, Nicholas Oliverdian, opened
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twenty two separate credit cards under her husband's name, and
by he had moved to Ireland because he was hoping
that this would get him further away from the jurisdiction
of the FBI, but nobody was really sure where he
was going. Um In two seventeen, something starts happening in Utah.
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They start processing a backlog of untested sexual assault kits.
One of them from two thousand eight matches Nicholas Aliverdian's
DNA and it's from that investigation into the two thousand
eight Ohio assault. So people are looking for this guy.
When he faces his death, he tries to lay groundwork
(08:31):
in the front. He says he had been diagnosed with
non Hodgkin lymphoma, terrible condition. He also said that he
also made it public in the media, like he called
and told the Providence Journal himself that they had to
publish something about his illness. Then he had someone claiming
to be his widow calling to say that he had
(08:54):
died and giving copies of a death certificate or something
like that. This doesn't hold water. Eventually people start asking
questions about what happened to him? And so December of
last year, he gets arrested at the Queen Elizabeth University
Hospital that's in Glasgow, Scotland, regarding that two thousand eight
(09:19):
sexual assault. And he got arrested, you guys, because he
was getting treatment for COVID nineteen under a third name,
Arthur Knight, not super creative like Arthur and the Knights
of the Roundtable Arthur Knight, and he was identified by
ding ding observations of his tattoos, which matched police records
(09:39):
for this rossy character. Furthermore, scarring on one uh one
of his tattoos suggested that he had attempted to remove them,
but not a professional laser job like an old school
scraping skin off basically and probably stopped because that hurts
a deal. So he gets he gets caught. H he
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has a bail hearing remotely these are high level details,
and they grant him bail because they think this guy's
got COVID. He's gonna be a hospital for weeks. The
day after he makes bail, he skips the hospital. He
tries to go via private taxi and he tries to
source oxygen. I know, and and so uh so he's
(10:29):
in court and he starts making these I don't want
to call him ludicrous because he hasn't been convicted, but
he starts making these um difficult to believe claims. They say, look,
your DNA matches. He says, it wasn't me all a
Shaggy from that song. And then they say, okay, well,
(10:49):
you've got these distinctive tattoos on both of your arms.
One of them is a red cross above an angel wing.
Not a lot of people have that, so we're pretty
sure it's you. And then this guy has it's merity
to say, throughout the eighteen days I was comatost, I
did not have free will over my body. I've never
had tattoos prior to being in hospital. Uh. He He
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also says he has other people connected him with these
tattoos Tree hospital stay. And then he said, during his
waking moments, there were many many people in the ward.
There was water contamination. Uh. And then the sheriff stopped
him and said, stopped drifting off topic. And you guys
during this, during this conversation, during this hearing, his accent
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switches POSH received British, we call it, uh, maybe a
US accent. He says it's because he's oxygen deprived. I
want to stop there. I want to stop there. Don't
want a monologue, I know, not at all. This is
a really fascinating story. I just want to say. There
was an article that you posted from the BBC where
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one of the headers was accent switched and I was like,
is this a like what's the word like a euphemism?
No it is not. No, no, he Uh, he did
say that. He did say that due to oxygen deprivation,
he was you know, he blamed it on something else.
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He didn't say that he was losing control of of
his of his lies. Also pulled an older Providence Journal
report from February where he talks about the horrors of
the foster system. So the guy definitely likes the spotlight, right,
but there is a clear pattern, at least if you know,
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the prosecutors and the victims are to be believed of
him victimizing women. It says he So you we mentioned
two marriages or three he had, So this part it's
a good question that this part is a little unclear
to me as well. Uh, it's tough because we might
not know the full extent the guy has gone under
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no less than ten or eleven different names right now. Yeah,
so there may be there may be other people out
there who got married to this predator, but it was
it was at least two. We don't know very much
at all about the person claiming to be the widow
would have also been in the US. My question starts
(13:26):
to become how did this guy get across the Atlantic? Right? How?
How did he do it while being the subject of
a federal level investigation for fraud? I couldn't possibly tell you.
I mean, aren't you on watch lists for much less,
for much lesser offenses. I mean, I've been detained for
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having the wrong color suitcase, you know. I mean, I'm
just you know what I mean? Like, this doesn't make sense. No,
I agreed, it seems um, it's seems like this These
defenses aren't going to hold water. But it's also it's
strange because there are a lot of gaps here. There
are a lot of questions, how did this guy get
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along get along and away with being a predator for
so long? Again, has not been convicted as we record this,
so I do want to be careful with that language.
But the other questions, how did he have the resources
to do this. Was it income from the various frauds
he enacted. If that's the case, then how was I mean,
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he almost certainly wasn't using those cards, right because the
FBI already popped them for that one. I'm just wondering
whether this guy has any connections, whether he is a
lone actor. I'm not sure at this point. How confident
would you say, ben our authorities that this person is
that Arthur Knight who is the one in the who
(14:54):
was comatose? Yeah? Yeah, How confident are they that it
this is the guy? They're extremely confident the DNA as
a match. Okay. Uh, he also is He also got
hit with two further allegations. This just happened today. As
we record on November nine, he was facing two more
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allegations of sexual assault as he continues to fight extradition
in the United States. Uh, this goes across different state boundaries.
Let's see. Uh, the Daily Mirror is saying he's sexually
assaulted twenty one year old woman in Utah, but then
you'll see other places saying that's in Ohio. This is
still developing story and it's it's definitely something heavy. But
(15:41):
I want to thank Fiona for alerting us to this. Uh,
and then also opening the door for an unpleasant but
necessary conversation. How many other people are slipping through the
cracks like this? How many other people make it out
beyond jurisdiction and managed to dodge interpool long enough to
(16:04):
continue some damage. Just think about the documents alone that
you would need to pull off, all the stuff that
this person has pulled off, Like, you can't just go
by a name for a lot of purposes. You've got
to have something right. Oh, they also have his fingerprints,
like the typical ways you would think of confirming an
(16:25):
individual's identity. They got him. Uh, why then would somebody? Okay,
first off, is it possible to do ornamental tattoos like
this when someone's put under? I guess so with the
right hand of short But why why why would you
do that? Well? Yes, that's got to be his narrative, right,
(16:48):
It's so funny And this is unrelated kind of But
initially when I heard this headline, Ben, I think of
the kinds of tattoos that the Nazis gave Jews in
concentration camps, like what now in hospital we get as
a risk band, or like a you know, a tag
of some kind used to be done, or like you know,
the way you think of like in Stranger Things, where
(17:10):
like the characters who have been experimented on have these
tattoos with their like code, or like you know inmate name,
That's what I think of when I think of like
I was given tattoos in hospital. M m oh. There
is a current wife in the picture. Her name is
Miranda Knight, and she and her husband have started a
(17:32):
pr business to fund his battle against extradition. Again, this
is an ongoing story. We're gonna keep this one short.
Thank you very much, fellow conspiracy realist Fiona. Let us
know if you are aware of similar stories of people
like this, predators, con artists, so on. We're gonna keep
(17:53):
our ears to the ground on this one. Will update
as there is more to come. But in the meantime
we're going to pause and will we're turn with another
message from your fellow listeners, and we're back and we
are going to hear a voicemail left by someone calling
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themselves plaquetos yahya can call me plaquetos um. I just
got done listening to the first part of the Things
that Creep around in the night episode and made me
think there's a lot of old timers here in Deece, Tennessee.
Who um, and I got Min's more off of me
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a little bit. Doo. There's scared to deaths of the
creatures sounds awful similar to haunts. Um, if you won't
hear anybody say it around here. Uh. And I know
a lot, a lot lot of people who place you know,
bowls of rice or brooms at their doors because there's
(18:59):
supposedly a Yeah, they feel contilled stoff account things. Uh,
but they're legitimately concerned about them, you know, showing up
and doing evil things. Will leave at that. But I
know Ben talked about having sometimes to the East area,
and I was just curious if, Yeah, I'd be very
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interested to hear any tales of old timers you knew, man.
Uh love the show and can't wait for next episodes
to come out. So yeah, okay, yeah, question, Thank you
Placuto's it's really really good stuff. You know, we liked
those episodes where we get to talk about folklore and
you know, so the supernatural side of the planet, right, Um, Ben,
(19:44):
I wanted to ask you plactos mentions haunts which I
thought I kind of knew, but I didn't understand the
difference between I guess a haunt and a what what
I would pronounce haint h A I n T. Is
that the same thing, that's what That's what Plactos is
referring to. Yeah, O K A I n T. This
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could be considered most often considered an angry evil spirit
or a spirit that has been turned to turned towards anger.
So there may be a sense of vengeance right an
unjust death. Uh. It can also be you know, honestly,
I mean kind of similar to an Aswong. It can
(20:29):
be a an undefinable thing. But plactose Uh, this message
made my day because it's something that's easy to laugh
at if you if you have not, you know, been
in that environment or that community and experienced this stuff directly.
You know, history is much closer than it appears in
(20:51):
the rear view mirror. There are tons of folkloric vestiges
right of ancient cultures, and I think a lot of people,
I don't want to put anyone in a box here
before their time, but I think a lot of people
forget that the US South, the Southeast in particular, is
(21:13):
a tremendous mixing pot of global cultures over hundreds and
hundreds thousands of years. Really because the folks who were
here before Europeans, they also had this panopoly of cultures
that are different and distinct and have some overlaps, and
(21:35):
all of this combined. This reminds me of like UM.
One example is Hain't blue. Have you guys heard of that?
You may have heard of it. Yeah, there's a Sherman
Williams color of paint blue. It's a specific color that
is supposed to confuse any spirit or wandering spirit like
this with the ocean. So you see this blue, especially
(21:57):
if it's painted on the exterior of a house, like
on the porch like um, I guess above the porch,
if you imagine like a covered porch. That's very common,
fascinating stuff to actually have. You know, a major paint
company have this as as one of their colors. That's mentioned.
So I want to just really quickly, I wanta jump
(22:18):
to hants dot org h A I n T s
dot org uh And they mentioned that. I just found
what you're talking about ben hants and haunts. It's kind
of interchangeable. It's it was originally Haint and it comes
from the Golaguchi people. If you think about in Georgia,
some of the barrier islands over there, like near Savannah, Georgia. Uh,
(22:41):
some of the some of the groups of people who
were brought to this country have that as a belief
that carried over then into the US. Um they're saying
it is often a wandering spirit uh often described in
who Do Beliefs as a similar way someone who is
quote seeking to chase victims to their death by exhaustion,
(23:05):
which is a terrifying concept. Well, it makes me think
of like the Grudge, you know, like that movie The Grudge,
where there's like a malevolent spirit that is just messing
with you until you lose your mind. M m hmmm.
So I want to I want to talk about that
the protections that you're getting into there with that blue color. Ben. So,
what our color is referring to is two methods of
(23:26):
protecting one's home from these things that there's that blue
and then the other one is uh leaving rice a
bowl of rice by the door and or a broom
by the door. And I have found in a couple
of places, specifically on this website called Keith dots and
dot com references to exactly how to protect yourself, and
(23:48):
one of them is these counting tricks. Heard that yeah,
like putting uh. Like in the old days, they used
to put newspaper on the wall, the idea being that
this would also distract the spirit as it would be
compelled to uh to read this stuff or you know,
(24:09):
compelled to count the grains of rice. Right, It's not
the same as in some East Asian folklore where you know,
like the Festival of Hungry Ghosts, where you appease a
spirit by ceremonially feeding it. In this case, um, there
are there are some other analogs in global folklore with
the idea that you throw out you know, dried beans
(24:30):
or something like that, in the creature has to stop
and count them, which gives one enough time to escape.
But uh, but yeah, yeah, that's really cool. They're they're
saying it would give you enough time basically until daybreak
because then, at least according to the folklore, these things
can't attack when it's not nighttime. Well, also with the
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Roma people, Um, there's a community of them that that
lives in my hometown or near my hometown, Augusta Georgia,
and they'll build these communities, and they'll build these houses,
and then they'll cover the windows and tinfoil um for
a period of time because they feel as though they're
using that to exercise any malevolent spirits. And it's not
the same as counting, but I would argue that the
(25:12):
tinfoil has in some way a deflecting power, perhaps in
their minds. I feel like they would trap them inside.
Yeah I would, I would do that, but you know,
that's that's what they do. There's also salt, you know,
that's pretty common a lot of circles. Yeah. But one
thing plateaus that you mentioned that I think people should
(25:32):
take seriously, as strange as to me seem to outsiders,
is that folks who believe in this aren't going to,
like you said, they're not going to say it. You know.
One of the colloquialisms for this is the idea of
speaking something up right, the idea that by mentioning it
one makes it more manifest in this world. And um
(25:54):
without you know, about going too deep into my own thing,
and I don't want to put anybody just uh yeah,
I like you plactos. I grew up in an environment
where there were um, there were older people, um who
were quite convinced about this. There's religious syncretism all across
the US South. And what I mean by that is
(26:17):
that people might say, oh I am a Christian or
oh I am you know, insert modern religion here. But
you will see a lot of things like root work.
You will see a lot of things like you alluded to, Matt,
who do practices uh, and they're they're simply accepted as
part of UM, as part of a spiritual system. And
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I would say also in their defense, even those of
us here in this who consider themselves to be very skeptical,
please do remember that these ancient beliefs which go back
to the African continent, which go back uh to pre
Columbus days, those ancient beliefs are also the source is
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of information for a lot of medicines that have saved lives.
There's you can't throw the whole thing out, you know.
And as we always say in this show, we don't
tell people what to believe. But I would just say,
if you're a stranger in a strange land and somebody
tells you to watch out for something, even if you
think it's just some twilight zone and Halloween stuff. Listen
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to them well advised. Yes, if you're worried about a haunt,
another couple of things you could do. Plant some bottle trees,
find some bottle trees, plants them. You know, Okay, I'm impressed, man,
I'm impressed. These bottle trees are another thing that comes
from the African continent. Again, that's one of the reasons
that it's wrapped up in some of the folklore. But
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these haunts or hants are supposed to be caught in
these things, similar to how they get distracted with the
broom or the rice. They just get physically caught in
these trees and then again morning comes and like a vampire,
they're gone, bye bye. Uh. This really interesting stuff. I
just never heard of it, And I'd love to put
a call out to anybody else listening. If you if
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you're willing to talk about these kinds of things. As
Ben said, sometimes it's not what you're kind of supposed
to do is talk about it. We would love to
hear your story. If you don't mind it, maybe typing
it out won't be as bad. I don't know, do
you think, guys? I think typing it is the same
as speaking it. I think it is. Yes, you're speaking
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with your mind into practice kind of. I think we're
in the world of magic. Thought is an action. Okay,
all right, well do what you gotta, put some salt
around you, and then send us an email. We'll see
what happens. All right. We'd love to hear from you,
so do right in. Give us a call however you
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contact us. Let's take a break here, a word from
our sponsor and we'll be right back. And we're back
with and final missive from r C. I'm only saying
r C because this individual did not give permission to
use their name. So I'm just trying to be as
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thoughtful as possible. Here we go. My wife is a
public service worker PSW. I think that's that stands for
it's like someone that is works in a hospice, or
like cares for someone in need. Um and worked with
the night shift at an old folks song. She tells
me that when it's a full moon, the residents moods change.
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They become aggressive, restless, and unmanageable. Every time there's a
full moon, she dreads going into work, knowing that it's
going to be a show her words. I think it's
weird how the moon can affect a person's emotions and
or actions. Also, my mother has always referred to a
woman's minstrual cycle as getting her moon time. I'm not
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too sure why that's the end of the email. Um,
these are very real things. The moon controls the tides.
It literally did Herman's how the tides you know, go
in and out magnetically speaking, So why wouldn't it be
something that affects us bodily. We know that magnetic fields
can affect us mentally and physically. Um, I think it's
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no surprise that the cycles of the moon affects, you know,
our bodies, whether you're a woman, a woman menstruating, or
whether you're a man. I mean, where do you think
myths like werewolves come from? The idea of on the
full moon, everyone goes crazy, you know. The werewolf myth
is sort of a way of explaining that. Yeah. The uh,
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the thing here is that there's a lot of anecdotal evidence.
You will also find studies that appear to shoot holes
in these experiences. But I think it's very important to
note that these studies often by their nature kind of
attenuate their scope or narrow their scope such that they
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are not as they they're not looking at things as
broadly as someone who would be continually in that world
like you are, r C. I remember one study that
came out, Yeah, there are multiple one specifically about whether
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or not the full moon influences or agitates rather nursing
home residents, and they said that they didn't see as
much agitation. But one thing they're not accounting for in
this in this study from eight nine is the idea
of people struggling with dementia or Alzheimer's, which absolutely changes
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the game here for sure. And we know about things
like circadian rhythm and that I see you chumping in
the bit to say something, and I'm just going to
pass it right to you. I'm was going to talk
about the full moon slash eclipse that just happened on
election night, which, if you want to talk about influencing things,
what a night to have a full moon and in
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eclipse that's all so motive be bro Uh do you
know what what type of eclipse it was? Guys? It
has a very specific name. I don't but I don't
want to spoil it. Is that a blood moon situation?
It is? But it's a specific type of blood moon. Sorry,
conversation earlier. Oh no, I don't, I don't know. I
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don't know. It's was called and is called in according
to most places that I've seen a beaver blood moon.
Oh god, sorry, I heard myself echo through your headphones
when I said that. That's just funny. Okay, okay, I'm sorry.
I'm gonna put my childish ways behind me. Why is
it called a beaver blood moon? It's any full moon
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during the month of November is a beaver moon. Also
believe the full moon in November, at least in this language,
the idea of calling a beaver moon is that beavers
are working continuously to build themselves dams for the winter.
How cute. Uh. The symbolic representation for people who follow
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a spiritual side of it is that the blood moon,
or the beaver blood moon in particular, represents you'll love
this man with the election uh connection uh. Quote represents
a time when people come to terms with information that
could change their lives, and that comes from a vice article.
We have things like like like the harvest moon, and
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there's lots of different you know, folkloric names for cycles
of the moon. Hey wait, wait, wait, well, do you
know what an August full moon is? Tell me it's
a sturgeon moon. Isn't that exciting? Like the fish? Yeah, well,
that's funny you say that, Matt, because that actually leads
right into what I was about to say. There's a
study from twenty six, no sorry, two thousand six the
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Lunar cycle Effects on Human and Animal behavior and physiology.
And I read the abstract. I didn't pay the money
to read the whole thing, but it's very interesting that
they talk about specifically fish UH reproduction cycles in terms
of ovulation and like creating these like giant like you know,
sacks of eggs or whatever. Um. The lunar cycle may
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affect hormonal changes early in philo genesis. In fish, the
lunar clock influences reproduction and involved the hypothalamus pituitary gondol axis.
In birds, the daily variations in a melatonin and UH
core cortis cortic costune disappear during full moon cycles. I wonder,
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what's that? What that's about. The lunar cycle also affects
UH laboratory rats with regards to taste sensitivity and the
ultra structure of pineal gland cells and if anybody knows
anything about the pineal gland, that is a gland that
contains uh, that thing that we always talk about the
Illuminati wants, right, what's that stuff? A drena krone? Isn't
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that in the pineal gland? The pineal gland is considered
a kind of psychedelic gland. It's like the third eye.
The pineal gland is what like in discussing psychedelic experiences,
the pineal gland they say is very important to gland um.
But here's the last line in the abstract. Although the
exact mechanism of the moon's influence on humans and animals
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awaits further exploration, knowledge of this kind of bio rhythm
may be helpful in this is You're gonna love this
Matt in police surveillance, medical practice, and investigations involving laboratory animals.
They really just did a mite drop with police surveillance.
Where that come from? That came out of nowhere? What
does that have to do with? I mean, no, I
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know what it has to do with the idea that
people act worse in full moon nights, like oh, it's
a full moon, gonna get crazy tonight, you know, I
still believe and I will pause it this forever that
it just has to do with more light. There is
more light in general at night when there's a full moon.
It's easier to see things, it's easier to move around
(36:04):
and get things done. If you're planning getting something done. No,
it doesn't matter what it is, and there's more reason
to go out. I think, all right, fair, that's fair. Um, jeez.
I don't really have a whole lot else to add
to this. Um. I think our c very much for
bringing this to mind. And by the way, do you
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guys have opinions. I haven't googled this specifically or like
researched this, but I think it is pretty commonly accepted
that the moon's cycle does affect menstruation in the I mean,
and also the idea of women living together there they
cycle up with each other. Yes, uh, yeah, so a
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couple of things like I One thing I think is
really interesting about your comment, that is, there's a great
experiment that happened in Japan where they found, uh, turning
street lights blue actually decreased incident of violence. Uh. We
can't escape the fact that the majority of higher order
organisms on the planet grew up or evolved under the
(37:10):
gravitational cycle of the moon. Right, there's a reason it
moves the oceans. We know that. To your Pointnal, the
science and lore behind minstrel cycles and the moon, they
might be their own sort of um, they might be
their own episode because a lot of scientific studies will
(37:31):
try to rebuke this hypothesis and they'll say they found
no proof that the minstrel cycle is affected by the
by the position movements of the moon, But the general
public is still fascinated by this idea, and I just
I think without research, to be respectful, we can't make
(37:51):
a conclusive statement about that until we have read everything
as well, because it could be very conscious. We're three dudes. Well,
I think we're conjecturing here. This is the kind of
stuff that has a lot of roots in lore, uh,
in folklore and in magic, you know with a c K.
You know, the idea of like doing rituals based around
(38:12):
the full moon, and the idea of werewolves being triggered
by the full moon. I mean, it is something that
is fascinated, um, you know us culturally for a very
very long time. And I think usually when that's the case,
there's some like with a lot of conspiracy theories a
grain of truth to it scientifically, even if we can't
fully explain it and wrap our heads around up. Well,
(38:34):
there's always the one there's always the one fact that
escapes a lot of people. Whatever. They talk about the
influence of the moon on living things, and that's simply this.
Humans do not fully understand gravity here in the modern day.
So without understanding something, how do you begin to understand
its effects. It's a tough eclipse, you know. It's a tall, tall,
(38:56):
ghostly milkshake. It's it's all ghostly drink of water. I
love it now, It's true. Um. But that's what we
do here on the show is is talk about these
kinds of things and talk about the science and what
is out there and available and kind of bridge that
gap between the mystical and the explainable. So thank you
rc um for that email. I thought it was a
very interesting thing to think about. And with that we
(39:19):
are not saying goodbye, we're saying of what we'll see
you soon. Uh. Of law is French for see you later, right, crazy? Okay, cool? Cool? Cool? Alright?
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