August 27, 2020 • 42 mins
What if Chris Cornell -- and Chester Bennington -- were actually murdered? How much do we really know about the early spread of COVID-19 in the US? And what's going on with that long-lost British base buried in the Rock of Gibraltar? All this and more in this week's edition of Listener Mail.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. This is our weekly
listener Male segment where we here directly from the most
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important part of this show, you and your fellow listeners.
So we've got to We've got a grab bag here
today of some of some pretty crazy stuff. We've got
some se leberty conspiracies, we've got some let's see, some
geographical conspiracies, you could call them. And then, of course
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we've got an interesting question about COVID nineteen. Perhaps we
should go in reverse order of that list today. COVID nineteen.
You may have heard of it recently. It's it's been
in the news a time or two, and we've had
a lot of questions coming in about COVID nineteen and
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coronavirus on the show. And here is one such question
from a member of the public. Heay Matt Ben knows
whoever ends up looking and listening to this voicemail? Uh,
sorry for the wind and on a walk while I'm listening.
I was just listening to the coronavirus update a little late,
I know, but decision to tague and all that, And
I was thinking about how my fiance and I are
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about maybe that we got COVID nineteen in uh the
middle of February, and I've been seeing a lot recently
about whether or not it was in America before America
wants to talk about it anyways, nice to Yeah, this
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is a question that I think we've we've been hearing
a lot, not only from you know, folks writing into
the show, but also you know me personally at least.
It's certainly it's been something that I've encountered in my
regular life and even my personal life. Um. I have
a very very dear friend who I believe Ben, you
have met my my good friend Harry, who um is
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someone used to run a record store in the town
where I grew up and just turned me on all
kinds of cool music and he's been kind of a
fixture in my life for a very long time. Um.
He's a little older than us, and he got sick,
uh to the point where he was kind of on
deak door, um, and it was something that he couldn't
put his finger on. He had no idea what it was.
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It was a respiratory thing, it was a dry cough,
it was fatigue. It was literally he couldn't get out
of bed. And he doesn't have health insurance and so
he kind of just had to like wait it out.
And um, he lost all this weight and then it
just kind of was gone. And you know, the only
thing he can figure, and this was in December. The
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only thing he can figure is that it was COVID.
Before you know, it was acknowledged that it was around UM.
I have several other friends who have said the same thing,
that they got really sick in you know, mid February
or a little later in February, even early February, or
even as early as January, and you know, was that COVID.
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The official story, um, that you know, is what's being
put forth in terms of the government response, is that
it arrived in Washington State at the end of February.
There is another story. A New York Times article from
May fifteenth by Mike Baker, When did the coronavirus arrive
in the US? Kind of goes through sort of the
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evidence and the reviews it um there was a death
in saying, how z a UH that was associated with
the coronavirus in early February, and that at the time
of this article was thought to have kind of been
the impetus for like a search for how that person
was exposed. But correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen, But
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I believe the official story remains that it wasn't in
the United States until it hits Seattle at the end
of at the end of February. Well, far be it
for me to be conspiratorial here, But I tend to
UH in cases like this where the science often takes
a back seat to um media portrayals and to political
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aims of those in power, or should I say, those
responsible for doing their jobs. I still read the papers
and outlets of note, but I go first to UH
scientific journals and first to the the state supported reports
from institutions. So one of the things that kind of
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swigs me out about this is that the c d
C was reporting a narrative that wasn't as widely reported
in some of the you know, some of the mainstream outlets.
I'm specifically thinking about a Morbidity and Mortality weekly report
that's a cheerful title there from the CDC in June five,
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where they found evidence for limited early spread of COVID
nineteen within the US from January to February. Short and
dirty unless you want to read the whole report. The
first cases of not what's called non travel related COVID
nineteen in the US were confirmed on February and twenty
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of this year, respectively. The reason that's important is because
that all but confirms community trans mission was already occurring,
because you know, again these are the cases that were caught.
And to your point, Noel, I don't know about you guys,
but I've been retroactively looking at many friends who had
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a mysterious respiratory ailments in say January or something or
February and thought, and you know, most of whom insisted,
even after the news of COVID brouke, that they had
something different. Without antibody tests or without a positive COVID test,
you know, we can only speculate. But Charlie, what what's
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fascinating here is that the c d C appears to
confirm your suspicions COVID nineteen was likely in the US
earlier than was originally thought. Is that not the confirmed
case from January that was actually reported to CDC on January?
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The report that I'm mentioning again is talking about non
travel related COVID nineteen, which occurred on February, and so
the January one maybe a report of travel related COVID.
The only difference, obviously, is that the two cases in
late February that we're confirmed were occurring in people who
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had not traveled very much at all, much less internationally.
So the only way that they could have gotten or
contracted COVID nineteen is if it came to them, which
is a huge distinction to the January point. You know,
it makes sense that the transfer would have, you know,
would have hit international travelers first, especially because questions, serious
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questions remain about when exactly coronavirus broke out in China. Yeah.
I was reading, just to add on to all those
dates that we've been talking about. I was reading about
a woman who was in the Bay area of around
San Francisco. Fifty seven year old woman named Patricia Dowd
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who passed away on February six, and it was unknown
how she died originally, but after doing some testing on
her uh P the corner, they found out that she
actually had coronavirus UM. So that means if she died
on February six, she likely had it in January in
San Francisco. So just to add on to that, it
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does feel like you you guys are saying like the
evidence is showing that it was much earlier than we,
I guess initially believed. But but to your point, Ben,
I mean, there's a reasoning behind steering this narrative, you know,
and and and on. Different governments in different parts of
the world have handled it much much differently, you know,
from one another, um, both rhetorically and like in terms
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of like the response because as a country in the
United States, it is not in our best interest are
the best interests of our leaders to you know, lean
into oh it was here this early and see d
C new and they told us, and we didn't do
anything about it because you know, um, whatever your political
leanings are, I think it's hard to ignore the fact
that our government didn't do a great job of of
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of rushing in headlong and acknowledging the severity of this problem.
When I was in New York City, Um, right before
things really hit the fan in terms of like the
acceptance of okay, this is a real deal. Uh, it
was right before, you know, sheltering in place happened maybe
a week or two before. And a good friend of mine,
a friend of the show Matt Riddle, who is you,
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guys both know, Um, he was telling me how this
was gonna go. He he was already looking at like
researchers that were studying how it was spreading in China
and just the exponential nature of it. He drew me
a Matt chart on a napkin, and I was just like, oh,
come on, that's a bit extreme. Surely people will do
a good job and not sneeze on each other. But no,
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he was absolutely right. He was already stocked up on
hand sanitizer and ready for the long haul. But at
that point our government it had not fully accepted that yet.
So the fact that a dude that I know in
New York drew me a map of exactly how this
was gonna go, and it was exactly that way, but
yet our government couldn't accept it and start getting into
testing early. That's a little bit annoying. Well, I would
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say another piece of evidence, which I talked about on
the show Strange News Daily and they have mentioned here
on stuff they don't want you to know, can be
found in the insider trading accusations that have landed on
the shoulders of no less than four members of Congress.
The evidence is I won't say watertight, I won't see,
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but the evidence is incredibly compelling that at least some
members of Congress knew about the threat before it hit
the news, and not only did they use that knowledge
to make bank in the stock market, but they did
it while they were telling their constituents that everything was fine,
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that the sky was not falling, that life could continue
per normal. So so clearly, clearly it hit beforehand. Even
if we don't have all the questions about the genesis
of COVID nineteen in China, we do have evidence that,
like quantitative evidence, that people in power, the first to
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hear the news of the threat and to take it seriously,
decided to enrich themselves at the expense of the public,
and again to your point, Noll, that's not something that
goes along the convenient lines of political divide. That's just
people being greedy and not treating other people like human beings.
You know, they say money talks. I mean that is
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a reaction that you can trace. You know what people's
motivations are. You're not gonna do something like move your
money around unless you have are acting on some good intel,
like in the way that it was done in these
situations on people move their money around for all kinds
of reasons. But uh, yeah, do you have any specifics
on on on who or what kinds of deals were Uh,
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We're done. Sure. One one example that would be familiar
to a lot of our fellow listeners in the southeast
of the US and in Georgia specifically is Senator Kelly Loafler. Uh.
This is a Republican senator in Georgia. But this also
includes accusations against people like Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein or
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Jim Inhofe and Idaho. Originally Richard Burr from North Carolina
was also publicly identified. As of now, the investigations against
these senators, uh, against three of them, excuse me against
Inhe Feinstein Loafler appear to be closed, but the criminal
investigation of Richard Burr as of as of late June
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at least was still continuing. The FBI actually east that
man's mobile phone. Um, this this gets really tricky. We've
talked about the US Congress is existing conflicts of interest
when it comes to insider trading, and we've talked about
various attempts of varying of varying efficiency to try to
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nip that in the bud or plug the loopholes in
the laws. But I feel like that, I know that's
a little bit different from from what you're talking about her, Charlie,
but I feel like that is really strong evidence that, Uh,
for two things. First, COVID nineteen likely did arrive in
the contiguous United States before people were told it did. Secondly,
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at least some people knew it was coming and decided
not to share that information or at the very least
to minimize it. Now, does that mean that there was
an active kind of large scale conspiracy. Not necessarily, because
just like uh, just like any epidemiologist or anybody studying
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something while it's occurring, there's a bit of a fog
of war. We have uncertainty, and uncertainty does not necessitate conspiracy.
But my personal opinion, Congress is dirty. Yeah, I don't.
I got no argument with you there. Yeah, I can
go with that. Well, why don't we take a quick
break and then we'll come back with us some more
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messages from you and we're back. All right, everyone, we
are going to head over to email for this message
from j. We're just going with the letter J. He
sent us a message and this is what he said.
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If this stuff is annoying to see, just let me know.
Then he pasted seven excellent links to stories and they
were all excellent. J uh. He says, seven is an
esoteric number, So I'll stop there. I have no idea
if any of this is true or not, but I
don't like the way this email app is trying to
predict my sentences. I think these may make cool episodes
if anything bends my favorite intellectual superhero right now. It's
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a good choice, Jay, good choice. Um, So, we're gonna
follow one of Jay's leads. It was a story he
shared about Gibraltar and the large rock that sits atop
it or I guess is it or a part of it? Um? So,
let's just let's talk about where Gibraltar is what it is.
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If you look at a map of Spain, you will
see a little section towards this actually at the south tip,
basically you will find Gibraltar, and it is right there
on the alborn c and spright where the Atlantic is
on one side, essentially in Lborne Cea on the other.
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Tangier is not directly across from it, but you'll see
Morocco in Africa directly across from this thing called the
Strait of Gibraltar. And it's a fairly let's say, relatively
small area of water between Spain and Morocco. Now this
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is a very very important place, this area right there,
the Strait of Gibraltar, because it is the way that
you can enter into the Mediterranean Sea from the Atlantic.
And if you can imagine, over the course of several
world Wars and other large scale battles that have occurred
for hundreds of years, you could use these areas around Tangier,
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around Gibraltar, all along that straight there to basically look
to see what enemy ships are doing, to help coordinate
with if you're talking about navies, to help coordinate with
ships that would be on your side. If you're let's say,
the largest military or something or a navy um. And
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the Rock of Gibraltar is a mountain essentially that juts
out at Gibraltar there right at the very tip. And
the story we're going to talk about today has to
do with the fact that this large rock is filled
with holes and tunnels and places for people to travel
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and exist. And during World War Two, the Rock of
Gibraltar was utilized a ton. There are all these tunnel
systems within there, and all kinds of different infrastructure that's
built into it, where you could have hospitals, you could
have places to eat, places to have people stay, and
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house people. And during World War Two it was used
as essentially a fortress to do exactly what we're talking about,
to watch the any oncoming ships, to see movements of
enemies and anything like that. And there is one particular story,
a spy story basically about a use that Gibraltar could
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have had if the Nazi Party had invaded that area
of Spain and taken over the Rock of Gibraltar. I know,
I'm kind of going on a long walk here. Guys
don't know much about the history of this. This is fascinating,
so during World War Two in the nineteen forties, the
British military was using this Rock of Gibraltar as a fortress.
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They had, you know, lots and lots of people stationed there,
lots and lots of listening devices, all kinds of spycraft
is occurring around there, and military people at the ready
to fight if they needed to. And the secret plan
had to do with if the Nazis in fact invaded
and took over that large rock, the fortress itself, right,
So they put together a top secret plan called Operation Tracer.
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Now this is fascinating stuff. So it's it's a large
let's just say it's a large mountain filled with holes
and tunnels you can go into. You'd imagine that there
would be some secret ones, right, Well, there was in
fact one major secret area. It was fairly small and
it was kept secret for a long long time, so
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well since World War Two was over sixty years um.
So the plan was to have very small space that
that included a water system that could filter water through,
a place to bathe, place for I think six people
to live and stay, a very small cave area within
this rock. And what they were going to do if
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the Nazis evaded and took over. They would get sealed
in to this area, to this part of the Rock
of Broltor, and they had radio equipment in there and
some other signals intelligence equipment and they would monitor the
activities of the Nazis as they were inhabiting the mountain
fortress that they were inside of, buried in basically, and
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they had supplies to stay there for an entire year.
There were several contingency plans for them to possibly stay
in there for up to three years, possibly seven years,
of course having to do some kind of uh communication
to the outside to actually get supplies because there they
would have only had enough supplies initially for one year. Now,
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thankfully this full on ceiling into the mountain plan never
had to get enacted. But there were six men that
were chosen to actually go into this cave and run
operations there um as part of spycraft essentially for British intelligence.
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And you can actually go now to the Rock of
Gibraltar and see this place. It's called the Stay Behind Cave.
Now there are only thirty people a year allowed to
go into this rock and actually tour the Stay Behind Cave,
and that's probably changed with COVID restrictions. Why why that
view like they have to have some kind of like
clearance or something like. That's that's a that's such a
low number. I honestly don't know why it's restricted so much.
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Maybe it's like, um, you know, the line outside of
a really exclusive club, we can only let in thirty
people at a time, rope of Gibraltar. Well, maybe it's
it also maybe possibly due to safety concerns because this
out there, there are miles of tunnels throughout the area,
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and for any anybody who's been involved in recreational spelunking,
you know that if you visit something like the Mammoth
Caves or even something like Ruby Falls just over the
border from Georgia and Tennis, see that there are there
are occasionally areas of a cavern system that are considered
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unsafe for nonprofessionals. But um, I don't know, man. Maybe
maybe the mundane answer is funding. Maybe they just don't
want to put the money into making the entire things safe.
This is startling and surprising that it's not uh in
the news more often. I guess, uh, you know, there's
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a lot of stuff happening anyway, So it's it's not
surprising maybe that it's not featured more prominently. But this
was such a secret. From what I understand that the
guy who came up with it rear Admiral John Henry Godfrey,
if that's correct. He he was afraid to have meetings
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in government installations about this, so when it was finding
those six spies, he just had them over at his
house on the pretense of a non work hangout, which
is really the way to do stuff. And these guys
were not living in luxury. Instead of the tub, if
you look at the map of what is essentially there
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their fallout shelter, it's constructed like one of those Uh
they have a wash pit. Yeah, they do. Not the
best name. Not it wasn't they had the best name.
They also put cork on the floor, like cork tiles,
so that they could mask their own footsteps while they're
in a giant mountain fortress. You'd think that that wouldn't
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be such an issue, but I suppose it absolutely would.
Any sounds it's crazy, but the six men that did
go in, they were undercover for I think two and
a half years maybe, or at least several of them
were um and they were in the rock. They weren't
necessarily sealed in I don't believe, but they were there
operating in that stay behind cave I suppose, and they're
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there are a couple of procedural concerns if they did
implements this, uh this policy. First off, talk about commitment.
We always hear about people being willing to die for
their country, But how about being willing to be buried
alive with a very slight chance of getting out. One
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big loophole in this, which is difficult, is that we know,
given the geographic importance of the rock. I love that
you call it the Rock, Matt. It makes it sound
so much cooler. Uh not that not that the rock
or that the rock. Neither Sean Connery nor Dwayne unfortunately
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are involved in this. But but one big loophole here
is that they were, from what I understand, planning to
seal the ingress with cement. And sealing it with cement,
unless you're very clever about it, would be a dead
giveaway that there's something worth digging up, especially if you
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are a if you are a Nazi party that has
just conquered such an important area, you're going to expect
there to be something something behind, you know, whether it's
whether it's a radio outfit hidden in someone's attic in
a neglected neighborhood, or whether it's something on this level
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which is amazing. And you know what, maybe the reason
only thirty people are allowed to tour a year is
because there are still ongoing operations in the subterranean areas
of the rock and maybe they have to like maybe
it's seasonal right, I'd be interested to see that up
to thirty people a year. Thing does that only happen
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during like, you know, four months of the year the
way Adricho occurs two days, two days, people every day
for two days and and and maybe the rest of
the year there are people working in the area. Yeah,
there's a different group of spies that are in their
actually all most of the time they're using it. It's
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a shared use space. Finally, the timeshare secret listening center
that we've we've all loved. Condos are out, spy HQs
are written. Do you think they have a rumpus room?
Is there like like a miss pac Man machine or
at least pool tables, bumper pool none of that. They
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did have a bike that was able to generate electricity,
and it also had a fan on it. So it's
believed that perhaps this bike that was manually powered would
actually be one of the only, no, the only source
of moving air throughout their system. They did have an
observation what they called slit where they could see out
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and into the waters and actually observe chips and all
kinds of movements there. There was also one area that
you could see out above, just above, but it was
very small and it appears that you could escape, may
be if you really wanted to, or you had to
maybe with some tools. Pretty creepy. I can't imagine. I
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can't imagine having to be sealed in there for a
whole year. They would have died, Some of them would
have died. That was the whole sealing them in right there.
There was a plan to actually cement them in to
a separate little part of the chamber if they did die,
so they wouldn't be discovered if the secret chamber was discovered.
Soil in the entrance passage, so think about that. That's
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one of the that's one of the first things you
see if you're one of these six spies heading into
the HQ. You see the dirt where you may well
end up being buried. That is intense. Well, hey, we're
we're only barely scratching the service of this one. But
you know, maybe we can come back to and talk
about it more and then eventually, you know, jump into
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modern deep cover spies and maybe what's going on right
now who? But for that, that's it for now, Jay,
thanks so much for writing to us. We'll check out
the other links you sent as well. All Right, we're
gonna take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back.
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And we have returned. Our third piece of listener mail
today arrives from Ashley h. Ashley, you wrote to us
in regards to something that I had personally never heard about.
You said the following, Hey, guys, I was curious to
see if you had heard the conspiracy surrounding Chris Cornell
and Chester Bennington that they did not commit suicide but
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were murdered. Ashley. You go on to explain, apparently, before
Chris Cornell died, he was the main financial support and
producer of a documentary exposing the child sex trafficking industry,
and he had gotten Chester that's Chester Bennington to also
participate with interviews and music for the documentary. The conspiracy
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is that they were all murdered for producing this documentary.
The documentary was canceled not long after Chris Cornell had passed.
It was started by Lisa Beam and her fiance Leroy Moore.
She was the only one involved in the project that's
apparently still alive and refuses to talk about it. And then, Ashley,
you included a link from someone who believes this to
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be the case. You also noted I would say it
sounds far fetched, but from what I know about the
epstein BS, I truthfully wouldn't be surprised if this conspiracy
was rooted in truth as well. I'm curious what you
guys think. So we all know Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Right,
Sound Garden, Lincoln Park Audio Slave. Unfortunately, like many musicians,
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they left too soon, uh, and they had a struggle
towards the end of their life. We've all been able
to look at the the case laid out here and
it's it's exactly what Ashley as described that they were
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in the midst of working on an explosive revelatory documentary
about child trafficking, one that would um, as as is
so often said, one that would name names, by which
we mean be specific in terms of what it was,
describing the timeline and the people involved. But before we
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uh explore this, I just want to ask Matt Nol,
is this something that you all had heard of previously? Not?
I know, honestly it's not. I'm I did a little
bit of searching for something that's being titled The Silent Children,
I believe documentary that has something to do with Chris Cornell,
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and I'm not. I'm honestly not certain if this is
about the conspiracy or something that was being produced by
Chris Cornell. But you can certainly find a lot of
this um if you go down a Reddit rabbit hole,
you'll find several posts about this. Seems to be similar
to the messaging that's out there on Facebook that Ashley
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sent to us. Right. Yeah, so I did a little
bit of digging as well. One thing that was interesting
is that the origin point of this of this story
seems to come from a website called your news Wire
uh and seems to date back to twenty seventeen. Will
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recall the Chester Bennington himself passed away on July in California,
two months after Chris Cornell also passed away. It is
true that Bennington and Cornell were friends, and it's also,
if we want to throw some more connections on there,
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it's also true that Bennington took his life on what
would have been Chris Cornell's fifty third birthday. So in
several ways the two musicians are linked. But it seems
that when you dig into that story reported by your
news wire, it doesn't it doesn't quite have the sand
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that it claims to have. So Paulos Verdes that's where
that's where Bennington passed away. The police in Palace very
Days didn't make any of the comments that they were
purported to have made in your news wire, and the
quotes that were attributed to them don't appear in any
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other news report about the incident. You know, one thing
that happens a lot with celebrities when they pass away
is that we don't want them to be gone. That's
why people still believe that Elvis is running around somewhere, right,
And that's why people believe for a long time that
Tupac sha Core faked his death and possibly immigrated to Cuba. Right.
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In some of these cases, these questions are completely understandable.
I still think there was a lot of shady conspiratorial
stuff surrounding the death of Tupac cor surrounding the death
of Biggie Smalls. But one thing that powers a lot
of the speculation in these sorts of cases is going
to be the absence of a concrete autopsy report. In
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the case of Chris Cornell, you can go look at
the autopsy report. It was uploaded, it's online. So then
the question becomes, is this the real autopsy report? Has
it been somehow doctored? Again? I mean, that's a possibility,
Like where's JFK's brain. That's what I keep going back
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to when someone says, hey, these conspiracies about death are
just made up campfire stories. Uh, you know people's body parts,
go Missy, there there is there these things, you know,
I get created out of whole cloth. However, in this case,
it appears that I don't want to say it's completely
not true. I don't know what you guys think, but
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but it appears that a lot of the claims that
were made in support of this theory are have been disproven. Yes,
so I have been before a massive fan of d
M b uh year old David matthewsing Bands and I
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never knew this about you, Matt, and I'm never gonna
be able to look at you the same way again
after this. Well. Carter Bulford, in my opinion, is one
of the greatest drugger, and I modeled a lot of
what I do after him initially. Um, but also I
LeRoi Moore, the person supposedly who whom started the Silent
(34:57):
Children documentary with his wife. I'm assuming it's the same person.
That's the only LeRoi More. I know. He's saxophonist for
for that band for a time until he passed away
in two thousand eight. Online, I'm seeing a lot of
stuff about how LeRoi More and his wife started this
documentary in two thousand twelve, four years after his passing,
(35:20):
So maybe he was done in his name. UM if it,
if the story is true, but I can't find official,
not even official reporting. I don't need it to come
from New York Times, but I need it to be
sited somewhere where Leroy is talking about it, where his
wife's talking about it, where somebody is mentioning this documentary,
(35:40):
where I just I need to see something other than
a message from a third party or a twelfth party,
whoever they are. That just says, hey, this is happening,
and here's a picture, the meme of four people who
died by suicide, and they were all working on this
documentary because I said, so, yeah, that's the truth. And
(36:03):
I agree, we have to be we have to be considerate,
and we have to be cognizant of the fact that again,
these are real people. These aren't just names or brands
that passed away. There's always the question of whether, with
the best of intentions, people are being exploitative or callous
when we're uh, when we're spinning tails about someone passing away.
(36:29):
And again when musicians that prominence passed away so unexpectedly,
it makes sense to try to find the logic behind
their expiration. Also, Matt up with you. I was into
Dave Matthews band as well. Never close enough to uh,
never close enough to him to use a full initialism.
(36:51):
But uh, but I gotta say, I think you know
this already. I've had I had these like reoccurring teams
for years and years and years where I d be
at a Dave Matthews concert and the violinist would come
out and like just spew vitriol about how he knew
he's in the crowd and he hated me and I
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would see just this one day and still, you know,
that's kind of a dream for a long time, I
kind of wanted, uh, not a super famous, but I
semi famous person. Devin inexplicable beefly, Well, you should start
a beef with Stefan Lessard, bass player of d m V.
He was a real, real young guy when he started,
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and he was way too young to be able to
be playing with those gentlemen Stefen, So we'll start beef
with you. You're too talented and young when you start
a d MB, So, yeah, you're too great. D M
b oh Man, I do want to add. I mean,
you know Chris Cornell's struggle with depression and and and
(37:54):
Chester Bennington's as well, they're pretty well documented. I mean,
you know, like from their family members they left behind,
they all were pretty openly acknowledging that yes, they're they're beloved.
You know, human was in fact having a struggle with
with depression, um and suicidal ideation stuff. So I I
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don't know, it's I don't so I never was super
suspicious or anything around that. I mean, there are situations where,
you know, like with Epstein for example, where I think
the jury is definitely still out on a very large
scale as to whether or not that man killed himself. UM,
being of a certain character, type of person that would
likely go to any length to protect themselves and to
(38:38):
skirt the law and to you know, not be brought
to justice, as opposed to someone who suffered from self
doubt and depression. Um. Again, you can't know people in
that way, but it does seem like from reading accounts
from you know, the folks that these two gentlemen left behind,
that this this story does check out. And of course,
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My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They call
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
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important part of this show, you and your fellow listeners.
So we've got to We've got a grab bag here
today of some of some pretty crazy stuff. We've got
some se leberty conspiracies, we've got some let's see, some
geographical conspiracies, you could call them. And then, of course
(01:08):
we've got an interesting question about COVID nineteen. Perhaps we
should go in reverse order of that list today. COVID nineteen.
You may have heard of it recently. It's it's been
in the news a time or two, and we've had
a lot of questions coming in about COVID nineteen and
(01:29):
coronavirus on the show. And here is one such question
from a member of the public. Heay Matt Ben knows
whoever ends up looking and listening to this voicemail? Uh,
sorry for the wind and on a walk while I'm listening.
I was just listening to the coronavirus update a little late,
I know, but decision to tague and all that, And
I was thinking about how my fiance and I are
(01:50):
about maybe that we got COVID nineteen in uh the
middle of February, and I've been seeing a lot recently
about whether or not it was in America before America
wants to talk about it anyways, nice to Yeah, this
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is a question that I think we've we've been hearing
a lot, not only from you know, folks writing into
the show, but also you know me personally at least.
It's certainly it's been something that I've encountered in my
regular life and even my personal life. Um. I have
a very very dear friend who I believe Ben, you
have met my my good friend Harry, who um is
(02:31):
someone used to run a record store in the town
where I grew up and just turned me on all
kinds of cool music and he's been kind of a
fixture in my life for a very long time. Um.
He's a little older than us, and he got sick,
uh to the point where he was kind of on
deak door, um, and it was something that he couldn't
put his finger on. He had no idea what it was.
(02:53):
It was a respiratory thing, it was a dry cough,
it was fatigue. It was literally he couldn't get out
of bed. And he doesn't have health insurance and so
he kind of just had to like wait it out.
And um, he lost all this weight and then it
just kind of was gone. And you know, the only
thing he can figure, and this was in December. The
(03:15):
only thing he can figure is that it was COVID.
Before you know, it was acknowledged that it was around UM.
I have several other friends who have said the same thing,
that they got really sick in you know, mid February
or a little later in February, even early February, or
even as early as January, and you know, was that COVID.
(03:36):
The official story, um, that you know, is what's being
put forth in terms of the government response, is that
it arrived in Washington State at the end of February.
There is another story. A New York Times article from
May fifteenth by Mike Baker, When did the coronavirus arrive
in the US? Kind of goes through sort of the
(03:56):
evidence and the reviews it um there was a death
in saying, how z a UH that was associated with
the coronavirus in early February, and that at the time
of this article was thought to have kind of been
the impetus for like a search for how that person
was exposed. But correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen, But
(04:16):
I believe the official story remains that it wasn't in
the United States until it hits Seattle at the end
of at the end of February. Well, far be it
for me to be conspiratorial here, But I tend to
UH in cases like this where the science often takes
a back seat to um media portrayals and to political
(04:41):
aims of those in power, or should I say, those
responsible for doing their jobs. I still read the papers
and outlets of note, but I go first to UH
scientific journals and first to the the state supported reports
from institutions. So one of the things that kind of
(05:05):
swigs me out about this is that the c d
C was reporting a narrative that wasn't as widely reported
in some of the you know, some of the mainstream outlets.
I'm specifically thinking about a Morbidity and Mortality weekly report
that's a cheerful title there from the CDC in June five,
(05:29):
where they found evidence for limited early spread of COVID
nineteen within the US from January to February. Short and
dirty unless you want to read the whole report. The
first cases of not what's called non travel related COVID
nineteen in the US were confirmed on February and twenty
(05:51):
of this year, respectively. The reason that's important is because
that all but confirms community trans mission was already occurring,
because you know, again these are the cases that were caught.
And to your point, Noel, I don't know about you guys,
but I've been retroactively looking at many friends who had
(06:16):
a mysterious respiratory ailments in say January or something or
February and thought, and you know, most of whom insisted,
even after the news of COVID brouke, that they had
something different. Without antibody tests or without a positive COVID test,
you know, we can only speculate. But Charlie, what what's
(06:37):
fascinating here is that the c d C appears to
confirm your suspicions COVID nineteen was likely in the US
earlier than was originally thought. Is that not the confirmed
case from January that was actually reported to CDC on January?
(07:00):
The report that I'm mentioning again is talking about non
travel related COVID nineteen, which occurred on February, and so
the January one maybe a report of travel related COVID.
The only difference, obviously, is that the two cases in
late February that we're confirmed were occurring in people who
(07:21):
had not traveled very much at all, much less internationally.
So the only way that they could have gotten or
contracted COVID nineteen is if it came to them, which
is a huge distinction to the January point. You know,
it makes sense that the transfer would have, you know,
would have hit international travelers first, especially because questions, serious
(07:45):
questions remain about when exactly coronavirus broke out in China. Yeah.
I was reading, just to add on to all those
dates that we've been talking about. I was reading about
a woman who was in the Bay area of around
San Francisco. Fifty seven year old woman named Patricia Dowd
(08:05):
who passed away on February six, and it was unknown
how she died originally, but after doing some testing on
her uh P the corner, they found out that she
actually had coronavirus UM. So that means if she died
on February six, she likely had it in January in
San Francisco. So just to add on to that, it
(08:27):
does feel like you you guys are saying like the
evidence is showing that it was much earlier than we,
I guess initially believed. But but to your point, Ben,
I mean, there's a reasoning behind steering this narrative, you know,
and and and on. Different governments in different parts of
the world have handled it much much differently, you know,
from one another, um, both rhetorically and like in terms
(08:49):
of like the response because as a country in the
United States, it is not in our best interest are
the best interests of our leaders to you know, lean
into oh it was here this early and see d
C new and they told us, and we didn't do
anything about it because you know, um, whatever your political
leanings are, I think it's hard to ignore the fact
that our government didn't do a great job of of
(09:11):
of rushing in headlong and acknowledging the severity of this problem.
When I was in New York City, Um, right before
things really hit the fan in terms of like the
acceptance of okay, this is a real deal. Uh, it
was right before, you know, sheltering in place happened maybe
a week or two before. And a good friend of mine,
a friend of the show Matt Riddle, who is you,
(09:31):
guys both know, Um, he was telling me how this
was gonna go. He he was already looking at like
researchers that were studying how it was spreading in China
and just the exponential nature of it. He drew me
a Matt chart on a napkin, and I was just like, oh,
come on, that's a bit extreme. Surely people will do
a good job and not sneeze on each other. But no,
(09:53):
he was absolutely right. He was already stocked up on
hand sanitizer and ready for the long haul. But at
that point our government it had not fully accepted that yet.
So the fact that a dude that I know in
New York drew me a map of exactly how this
was gonna go, and it was exactly that way, but
yet our government couldn't accept it and start getting into
testing early. That's a little bit annoying. Well, I would
(10:16):
say another piece of evidence, which I talked about on
the show Strange News Daily and they have mentioned here
on stuff they don't want you to know, can be
found in the insider trading accusations that have landed on
the shoulders of no less than four members of Congress.
The evidence is I won't say watertight, I won't see,
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but the evidence is incredibly compelling that at least some
members of Congress knew about the threat before it hit
the news, and not only did they use that knowledge
to make bank in the stock market, but they did
it while they were telling their constituents that everything was fine,
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that the sky was not falling, that life could continue
per normal. So so clearly, clearly it hit beforehand. Even
if we don't have all the questions about the genesis
of COVID nineteen in China, we do have evidence that,
like quantitative evidence, that people in power, the first to
(11:24):
hear the news of the threat and to take it seriously,
decided to enrich themselves at the expense of the public,
and again to your point, Noll, that's not something that
goes along the convenient lines of political divide. That's just
people being greedy and not treating other people like human beings.
You know, they say money talks. I mean that is
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a reaction that you can trace. You know what people's
motivations are. You're not gonna do something like move your
money around unless you have are acting on some good intel,
like in the way that it was done in these
situations on people move their money around for all kinds
of reasons. But uh, yeah, do you have any specifics
on on on who or what kinds of deals were Uh,
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We're done. Sure. One one example that would be familiar
to a lot of our fellow listeners in the southeast
of the US and in Georgia specifically is Senator Kelly Loafler. Uh.
This is a Republican senator in Georgia. But this also
includes accusations against people like Democratic Senator Diane Feinstein or
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Jim Inhofe and Idaho. Originally Richard Burr from North Carolina
was also publicly identified. As of now, the investigations against
these senators, uh, against three of them, excuse me against
Inhe Feinstein Loafler appear to be closed, but the criminal
investigation of Richard Burr as of as of late June
(12:55):
at least was still continuing. The FBI actually east that
man's mobile phone. Um, this this gets really tricky. We've
talked about the US Congress is existing conflicts of interest
when it comes to insider trading, and we've talked about
various attempts of varying of varying efficiency to try to
(13:22):
nip that in the bud or plug the loopholes in
the laws. But I feel like that, I know that's
a little bit different from from what you're talking about her, Charlie,
but I feel like that is really strong evidence that, Uh,
for two things. First, COVID nineteen likely did arrive in
the contiguous United States before people were told it did. Secondly,
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at least some people knew it was coming and decided
not to share that information or at the very least
to minimize it. Now, does that mean that there was
an active kind of large scale conspiracy. Not necessarily, because
just like uh, just like any epidemiologist or anybody studying
(14:10):
something while it's occurring, there's a bit of a fog
of war. We have uncertainty, and uncertainty does not necessitate conspiracy.
But my personal opinion, Congress is dirty. Yeah, I don't.
I got no argument with you there. Yeah, I can
go with that. Well, why don't we take a quick
break and then we'll come back with us some more
(14:31):
messages from you and we're back. All right, everyone, we
are going to head over to email for this message
from j. We're just going with the letter J. He
sent us a message and this is what he said.
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If this stuff is annoying to see, just let me know.
Then he pasted seven excellent links to stories and they
were all excellent. J uh. He says, seven is an
esoteric number, So I'll stop there. I have no idea
if any of this is true or not, but I
don't like the way this email app is trying to
predict my sentences. I think these may make cool episodes
if anything bends my favorite intellectual superhero right now. It's
(15:21):
a good choice, Jay, good choice. Um, So, we're gonna
follow one of Jay's leads. It was a story he
shared about Gibraltar and the large rock that sits atop
it or I guess is it or a part of it? Um? So,
let's just let's talk about where Gibraltar is what it is.
(15:42):
If you look at a map of Spain, you will
see a little section towards this actually at the south tip,
basically you will find Gibraltar, and it is right there
on the alborn c and spright where the Atlantic is
on one side, essentially in Lborne Cea on the other.
(16:04):
Tangier is not directly across from it, but you'll see
Morocco in Africa directly across from this thing called the
Strait of Gibraltar. And it's a fairly let's say, relatively
small area of water between Spain and Morocco. Now this
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is a very very important place, this area right there,
the Strait of Gibraltar, because it is the way that
you can enter into the Mediterranean Sea from the Atlantic.
And if you can imagine, over the course of several
world Wars and other large scale battles that have occurred
for hundreds of years, you could use these areas around Tangier,
(16:50):
around Gibraltar, all along that straight there to basically look
to see what enemy ships are doing, to help coordinate
with if you're talking about navies, to help coordinate with
ships that would be on your side. If you're let's say,
the largest military or something or a navy um. And
(17:11):
the Rock of Gibraltar is a mountain essentially that juts
out at Gibraltar there right at the very tip. And
the story we're going to talk about today has to
do with the fact that this large rock is filled
with holes and tunnels and places for people to travel
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and exist. And during World War Two, the Rock of
Gibraltar was utilized a ton. There are all these tunnel
systems within there, and all kinds of different infrastructure that's
built into it, where you could have hospitals, you could
have places to eat, places to have people stay, and
(17:54):
house people. And during World War Two it was used
as essentially a fortress to do exactly what we're talking about,
to watch the any oncoming ships, to see movements of
enemies and anything like that. And there is one particular story,
a spy story basically about a use that Gibraltar could
(18:15):
have had if the Nazi Party had invaded that area
of Spain and taken over the Rock of Gibraltar. I know,
I'm kind of going on a long walk here. Guys
don't know much about the history of this. This is fascinating,
so during World War Two in the nineteen forties, the
British military was using this Rock of Gibraltar as a fortress.
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They had, you know, lots and lots of people stationed there,
lots and lots of listening devices, all kinds of spycraft
is occurring around there, and military people at the ready
to fight if they needed to. And the secret plan
had to do with if the Nazis in fact invaded
and took over that large rock, the fortress itself, right,
So they put together a top secret plan called Operation Tracer.
(19:04):
Now this is fascinating stuff. So it's it's a large
let's just say it's a large mountain filled with holes
and tunnels you can go into. You'd imagine that there
would be some secret ones, right, Well, there was in
fact one major secret area. It was fairly small and
it was kept secret for a long long time, so
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well since World War Two was over sixty years um.
So the plan was to have very small space that
that included a water system that could filter water through,
a place to bathe, place for I think six people
to live and stay, a very small cave area within
this rock. And what they were going to do if
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the Nazis evaded and took over. They would get sealed
in to this area, to this part of the Rock
of Broltor, and they had radio equipment in there and
some other signals intelligence equipment and they would monitor the
activities of the Nazis as they were inhabiting the mountain
fortress that they were inside of, buried in basically, and
(20:15):
they had supplies to stay there for an entire year.
There were several contingency plans for them to possibly stay
in there for up to three years, possibly seven years,
of course having to do some kind of uh communication
to the outside to actually get supplies because there they
would have only had enough supplies initially for one year. Now,
(20:37):
thankfully this full on ceiling into the mountain plan never
had to get enacted. But there were six men that
were chosen to actually go into this cave and run
operations there um as part of spycraft essentially for British intelligence.
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And you can actually go now to the Rock of
Gibraltar and see this place. It's called the Stay Behind Cave.
Now there are only thirty people a year allowed to
go into this rock and actually tour the Stay Behind Cave,
and that's probably changed with COVID restrictions. Why why that
view like they have to have some kind of like
clearance or something like. That's that's a that's such a
low number. I honestly don't know why it's restricted so much.
(21:22):
Maybe it's like, um, you know, the line outside of
a really exclusive club, we can only let in thirty
people at a time, rope of Gibraltar. Well, maybe it's
it also maybe possibly due to safety concerns because this
out there, there are miles of tunnels throughout the area,
(21:44):
and for any anybody who's been involved in recreational spelunking,
you know that if you visit something like the Mammoth
Caves or even something like Ruby Falls just over the
border from Georgia and Tennis, see that there are there
are occasionally areas of a cavern system that are considered
(22:05):
unsafe for nonprofessionals. But um, I don't know, man. Maybe
maybe the mundane answer is funding. Maybe they just don't
want to put the money into making the entire things safe.
This is startling and surprising that it's not uh in
the news more often. I guess, uh, you know, there's
(22:25):
a lot of stuff happening anyway, So it's it's not
surprising maybe that it's not featured more prominently. But this
was such a secret. From what I understand that the
guy who came up with it rear Admiral John Henry Godfrey,
if that's correct. He he was afraid to have meetings
(22:47):
in government installations about this, so when it was finding
those six spies, he just had them over at his
house on the pretense of a non work hangout, which
is really the way to do stuff. And these guys
were not living in luxury. Instead of the tub, if
you look at the map of what is essentially there
(23:08):
their fallout shelter, it's constructed like one of those Uh
they have a wash pit. Yeah, they do. Not the
best name. Not it wasn't they had the best name.
They also put cork on the floor, like cork tiles,
so that they could mask their own footsteps while they're
in a giant mountain fortress. You'd think that that wouldn't
(23:29):
be such an issue, but I suppose it absolutely would.
Any sounds it's crazy, but the six men that did
go in, they were undercover for I think two and
a half years maybe, or at least several of them
were um and they were in the rock. They weren't
necessarily sealed in I don't believe, but they were there
operating in that stay behind cave I suppose, and they're
(23:54):
there are a couple of procedural concerns if they did
implements this, uh this policy. First off, talk about commitment.
We always hear about people being willing to die for
their country, But how about being willing to be buried
alive with a very slight chance of getting out. One
(24:14):
big loophole in this, which is difficult, is that we know,
given the geographic importance of the rock. I love that
you call it the Rock, Matt. It makes it sound
so much cooler. Uh not that not that the rock
or that the rock. Neither Sean Connery nor Dwayne unfortunately
(24:34):
are involved in this. But but one big loophole here
is that they were, from what I understand, planning to
seal the ingress with cement. And sealing it with cement,
unless you're very clever about it, would be a dead
giveaway that there's something worth digging up, especially if you
(24:55):
are a if you are a Nazi party that has
just conquered such an important area, you're going to expect
there to be something something behind, you know, whether it's
whether it's a radio outfit hidden in someone's attic in
a neglected neighborhood, or whether it's something on this level
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which is amazing. And you know what, maybe the reason
only thirty people are allowed to tour a year is
because there are still ongoing operations in the subterranean areas
of the rock and maybe they have to like maybe
it's seasonal right, I'd be interested to see that up
to thirty people a year. Thing does that only happen
(25:41):
during like, you know, four months of the year the
way Adricho occurs two days, two days, people every day
for two days and and and maybe the rest of
the year there are people working in the area. Yeah,
there's a different group of spies that are in their
actually all most of the time they're using it. It's
(26:02):
a shared use space. Finally, the timeshare secret listening center
that we've we've all loved. Condos are out, spy HQs
are written. Do you think they have a rumpus room?
Is there like like a miss pac Man machine or
at least pool tables, bumper pool none of that. They
(26:23):
did have a bike that was able to generate electricity,
and it also had a fan on it. So it's
believed that perhaps this bike that was manually powered would
actually be one of the only, no, the only source
of moving air throughout their system. They did have an
observation what they called slit where they could see out
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and into the waters and actually observe chips and all
kinds of movements there. There was also one area that
you could see out above, just above, but it was
very small and it appears that you could escape, may
be if you really wanted to, or you had to
maybe with some tools. Pretty creepy. I can't imagine. I
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can't imagine having to be sealed in there for a
whole year. They would have died, Some of them would
have died. That was the whole sealing them in right there.
There was a plan to actually cement them in to
a separate little part of the chamber if they did die,
so they wouldn't be discovered if the secret chamber was discovered.
Soil in the entrance passage, so think about that. That's
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one of the that's one of the first things you
see if you're one of these six spies heading into
the HQ. You see the dirt where you may well
end up being buried. That is intense. Well, hey, we're
we're only barely scratching the service of this one. But
you know, maybe we can come back to and talk
about it more and then eventually, you know, jump into
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modern deep cover spies and maybe what's going on right
now who? But for that, that's it for now, Jay,
thanks so much for writing to us. We'll check out
the other links you sent as well. All Right, we're
gonna take a quick commercial break and we'll be right back.
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And we have returned. Our third piece of listener mail
today arrives from Ashley h. Ashley, you wrote to us
in regards to something that I had personally never heard about.
You said the following, Hey, guys, I was curious to
see if you had heard the conspiracy surrounding Chris Cornell
and Chester Bennington that they did not commit suicide but
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were murdered. Ashley. You go on to explain, apparently, before
Chris Cornell died, he was the main financial support and
producer of a documentary exposing the child sex trafficking industry,
and he had gotten Chester that's Chester Bennington to also
participate with interviews and music for the documentary. The conspiracy
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is that they were all murdered for producing this documentary.
The documentary was canceled not long after Chris Cornell had passed.
It was started by Lisa Beam and her fiance Leroy Moore.
She was the only one involved in the project that's
apparently still alive and refuses to talk about it. And then, Ashley,
you included a link from someone who believes this to
(29:17):
be the case. You also noted I would say it
sounds far fetched, but from what I know about the
epstein BS, I truthfully wouldn't be surprised if this conspiracy
was rooted in truth as well. I'm curious what you
guys think. So we all know Chris Cornell, Chester Bennington, Right,
Sound Garden, Lincoln Park Audio Slave. Unfortunately, like many musicians,
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they left too soon, uh, and they had a struggle
towards the end of their life. We've all been able
to look at the the case laid out here and
it's it's exactly what Ashley as described that they were
(30:03):
in the midst of working on an explosive revelatory documentary
about child trafficking, one that would um, as as is
so often said, one that would name names, by which
we mean be specific in terms of what it was,
describing the timeline and the people involved. But before we
(30:27):
uh explore this, I just want to ask Matt Nol,
is this something that you all had heard of previously? Not?
I know, honestly it's not. I'm I did a little
bit of searching for something that's being titled The Silent Children,
I believe documentary that has something to do with Chris Cornell,
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and I'm not. I'm honestly not certain if this is
about the conspiracy or something that was being produced by
Chris Cornell. But you can certainly find a lot of
this um if you go down a Reddit rabbit hole,
you'll find several posts about this. Seems to be similar
to the messaging that's out there on Facebook that Ashley
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sent to us. Right. Yeah, so I did a little
bit of digging as well. One thing that was interesting
is that the origin point of this of this story
seems to come from a website called your news Wire
uh and seems to date back to twenty seventeen. Will
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recall the Chester Bennington himself passed away on July in California,
two months after Chris Cornell also passed away. It is
true that Bennington and Cornell were friends, and it's also,
if we want to throw some more connections on there,
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it's also true that Bennington took his life on what
would have been Chris Cornell's fifty third birthday. So in
several ways the two musicians are linked. But it seems
that when you dig into that story reported by your
news wire, it doesn't it doesn't quite have the sand
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that it claims to have. So Paulos Verdes that's where
that's where Bennington passed away. The police in Palace very
Days didn't make any of the comments that they were
purported to have made in your news wire, and the
quotes that were attributed to them don't appear in any
(32:44):
other news report about the incident. You know, one thing
that happens a lot with celebrities when they pass away
is that we don't want them to be gone. That's
why people still believe that Elvis is running around somewhere, right,
And that's why people believe for a long time that
Tupac sha Core faked his death and possibly immigrated to Cuba. Right.
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In some of these cases, these questions are completely understandable.
I still think there was a lot of shady conspiratorial
stuff surrounding the death of Tupac cor surrounding the death
of Biggie Smalls. But one thing that powers a lot
of the speculation in these sorts of cases is going
to be the absence of a concrete autopsy report. In
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the case of Chris Cornell, you can go look at
the autopsy report. It was uploaded, it's online. So then
the question becomes, is this the real autopsy report? Has
it been somehow doctored? Again? I mean, that's a possibility,
Like where's JFK's brain. That's what I keep going back
(33:53):
to when someone says, hey, these conspiracies about death are
just made up campfire stories. Uh, you know people's body parts,
go Missy, there there is there these things, you know,
I get created out of whole cloth. However, in this case,
it appears that I don't want to say it's completely
not true. I don't know what you guys think, but
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but it appears that a lot of the claims that
were made in support of this theory are have been disproven. Yes,
so I have been before a massive fan of d
M b uh year old David matthewsing Bands and I
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never knew this about you, Matt, and I'm never gonna
be able to look at you the same way again
after this. Well. Carter Bulford, in my opinion, is one
of the greatest drugger, and I modeled a lot of
what I do after him initially. Um, but also I
LeRoi Moore, the person supposedly who whom started the Silent
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Children documentary with his wife. I'm assuming it's the same person.
That's the only LeRoi More. I know. He's saxophonist for
for that band for a time until he passed away
in two thousand eight. Online, I'm seeing a lot of
stuff about how LeRoi More and his wife started this
documentary in two thousand twelve, four years after his passing,
(35:20):
So maybe he was done in his name. UM if it,
if the story is true, but I can't find official,
not even official reporting. I don't need it to come
from New York Times, but I need it to be
sited somewhere where Leroy is talking about it, where his
wife's talking about it, where somebody is mentioning this documentary,
(35:40):
where I just I need to see something other than
a message from a third party or a twelfth party,
whoever they are. That just says, hey, this is happening,
and here's a picture, the meme of four people who
died by suicide, and they were all working on this
documentary because I said, so, yeah, that's the truth. And
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I agree, we have to be we have to be considerate,
and we have to be cognizant of the fact that again,
these are real people. These aren't just names or brands
that passed away. There's always the question of whether, with
the best of intentions, people are being exploitative or callous
when we're uh, when we're spinning tails about someone passing away.
(36:29):
And again when musicians that prominence passed away so unexpectedly,
it makes sense to try to find the logic behind
their expiration. Also, Matt up with you. I was into
Dave Matthews band as well. Never close enough to uh,
never close enough to him to use a full initialism.
(36:51):
But uh, but I gotta say, I think you know
this already. I've had I had these like reoccurring teams
for years and years and years where I d be
at a Dave Matthews concert and the violinist would come
out and like just spew vitriol about how he knew
he's in the crowd and he hated me and I
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would see just this one day and still, you know,
that's kind of a dream for a long time, I
kind of wanted, uh, not a super famous, but I
semi famous person. Devin inexplicable beefly, Well, you should start
a beef with Stefan Lessard, bass player of d m V.
He was a real, real young guy when he started,
(37:33):
and he was way too young to be able to
be playing with those gentlemen Stefen, So we'll start beef
with you. You're too talented and young when you start
a d MB, So, yeah, you're too great. D M
b oh Man, I do want to add. I mean,
you know Chris Cornell's struggle with depression and and and
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Chester Bennington's as well, they're pretty well documented. I mean,
you know, like from their family members they left behind,
they all were pretty openly acknowledging that yes, they're they're beloved.
You know, human was in fact having a struggle with
with depression, um and suicidal ideation stuff. So I I
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don't know, it's I don't so I never was super
suspicious or anything around that. I mean, there are situations where,
you know, like with Epstein for example, where I think
the jury is definitely still out on a very large
scale as to whether or not that man killed himself. UM,
being of a certain character, type of person that would
likely go to any length to protect themselves and to
(38:38):
skirt the law and to you know, not be brought
to justice, as opposed to someone who suffered from self
doubt and depression. Um. Again, you can't know people in
that way, but it does seem like from reading accounts
from you know, the folks that these two gentlemen left behind,
that this this story does check out. And of course,
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(40:47):
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