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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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My name is Matt Frederick, the audit tun there man.
My name is No. It'sund it great. They called me Ben.
We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission
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and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know.
It is time yet again for our weekly Listener Male segment.
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We are traveling internationally, we are traveling chronologically. We do
want to give a heads up to everybody in the
crowd today. Uh, there is going to be uh one
one part of this week segment that does focus on
some pretty dark and disturbing things. Uh. We'll have another disclaimer.
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I'll make sure to have one at the top before
we get to that story. But just know that we
are we're going to a lot of uh strange places
today and we thought that we would we thought would
ease into this with an update on a story that
has been followed very closely in Canada, followed in the
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United States, the world abroad, but followed especially closely in
the United Kingdom. Yeah, I'm sorry, Hey, sorry about the
weird auto tune there. No, I was trying to do
a silly set up with the melody to a song
that had to do with your topic. Oh, Royal never
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be And it's true, we can't. You can't have either
born into it or you marry into it. Um like
Megan Mark did. Uh and hasn't had the best experience,
it turns out with the Royal family and what is
referred to behind closed doors and in royal watcher circles,
that's the thing as the firm um, but not the
John Grisham book or or or Tom Cruise movie of
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the same name. The firm is a term that is
used to refer to the Royal Family, all of its institutions,
it's lays on its page boys and whatever. All the
stuff that it takes to make that machine go is
the firm um. And yeah, the story Ben is mentioning,
of course, is the Oprah Winfrey interview with Megan and
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Prince Harry. And it was pretty juicy stuff. Uh, some
real tell all moments in that interview, and in particular
the thing that we're going to talk about today, UM
was hipped to us by a listener who wrote in
by the name of Rosie the Lean bean vegan machine.
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That's her name, at least that's what she has to
go by. And it just goes to show that if
you call in or send it's an email and and
you want to be on listener mail, UM, we will
call you literally whatever you want. So here we go.
It's pretty long email. To try to abridge it a
bit on the fly here UM. Last week, Megan Marko
and Prince Harry dropped the biggest bomb expose in an
interview with Oprah Winfrey about their experience with the royal
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family and the Institution also known as the Firm. Uh.
It's no secret that they prioritize public image, they being
the family and the crowd, rather than addressing family drama
or internal conflicts. What does that sound like, you guys?
Sounds to me just like family in general. But this
is obviously on a much larger and more clandestine scale. Um.
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They it's no secret they prioritize public image and the
crown rather than addressing family drama or internal conflicts. But
there's so much that slowly comes back to haunt them
later on. Regardless, there's a show on Netflix called The Crown.
Sure many folks are fans of that. I haven't seen it,
perst Um. I'm very much aware of it, and I'm
considering giving it a shot. But it's about the Royal family,
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of course, and it is inspired by many real life
events that actually happened throughout the history of the Royal Family,
and one particular event that stood out to me when
Princess Margaret finally wanted to address her internal conflicts depression
UH and decided to go to therapy. In therapy, she
finds out that mental health is very stigmatized for Royal
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family members, and she even finds out that her distant
cousins who had been born with mental health issues and
had been publicly declared dead UH decades before, were in
fact very much alive and had been kept secretly away
in a mental institution. Um. This is a real life event. Time.
This back to Megan's interview. There's so much to unpack there,
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but it saddens me that we are in and mental
health is still stigmatized in so many parts of the world. Um.
She claims that she was at one point suicidal and
asked their HR department. I think it's a comical that
the idea of the role I family having an HR department,
but I guess they must um for help, and she
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was denied help because she was not a quote paid
employee by the firm. She's definitely not the first, not
the last Royal family member that will have mental health concerns,
and the firm's history of how they handle this is
definitely questionable and concerning. And then she goes into talking
about Princess Diana's kind of treatment in terms of the
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way she was kind of stigmatized within the family for
her own personal struggles with bulimia and mental health issues
like depression. UM. And then ultimately she you know, obviously
tragically was killed in that car accident where there are
many many questions as to how that happened. There's a
whole episode of so they don't want you to know,
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devoted to that alone. Um. But living in the public
eye like that, you know, the way she was and
being kind of firmed the bus uh by the royal
family certainly seems to have been something that maybe led
to the tragic events of her passing. Stay safe and
keep up the amazing work. Also thanks for keeping me
saying at work. I work in accounting and when I say,
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you guys are the highlights. Yes, the highlights. I binge
your podcast throughout my days. I mean it. Um, So
thank you, Rosie, Thanks Vegan Machine. Yes, uh really truly
so much to unpack here. We've talked about this off air,
and I think we all have varying degrees of um
suspicion around institutions like the royal family. Um. And I
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just think, you know, British politics in general is a
little sketchy and strange. There's a lot of old money,
a lot of secrets, and a lot of you know,
kind of subterfuge um. And the story she talks about
is in fact very much true. It's the story of
Queen Elizabeth's cousins who were hidden away. Uh. There's a
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great article on Esquire if you want to hear about
the real life story behind the Crown Season four UM plotline,
highly recommended by Adrian Westenfeld called the Queen's Hidden cousins
are part of a shameful chapter in royal history. But yeah,
what did you guys make of this interview or or
the bits you know that kind of made the news.
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Uh is this important? Is this all kind of dub
or what do what do you think dud what sense? Duh?
Like this is obviously the case. You know that they've
been you know, uh, not treating people with mental health
conditions correctly, and that it's all kind of about the
image of the family, and it's all I mean, even
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the existence of the family seems to be largely a
pr kind of situation at this point. Being these figureheads,
the terms figureheads to me just implies absolutely just trotting
them out for ceremonial purposes to keep all the old
money types happy, uh and make them feel like they
still live in some semblance of a monarchy. Um, when
it's really you know, it's kind of something else. Um yeah,
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I don't know. But do you think there are any
big aha moments or what? What was your takeaway? So?
Uh yeah, okay, I'm trying to distill what you just
sat down into the dust. So the so what the
what I would say then, I don't know if I'm
answering you exactly from answering the question, But what I
would say is the first thing to realize is that
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the aristo monarchical system of the United Kingdom is masterful
at controlling public narrative. And it's like if you see
scandals reported in the tabloids, they're the scandals that that system,
that firm wants you to hear. That's what they want
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you to be outraged about. That's why you're not going
to see a ton of people in the BBC saying, hey,
if Prince Andrew was any other person, wouldn't he be
in jail? The answer is, of course, you know, arguably yes. Uh.
This this like many institutions, UM, this is not this
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part is not a ding on the royal family. Like
many institutions. Uh, it's number one goal is to ensure
it's further existence and to extend when possible it's control. Uh.
And one of the one of the spheres that the
that system, that institution very much controls is the sphere
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of public information. Uh, the sphere of media. Um. We know,
scandal a plenty in this particular institution because those stories
eventually come out, um unfortunately posthumously for the people who
are victims of these kinds of things. You know, like
the stereotype of the locked away family member is very
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much real, but it doesn't come out in time to
help those individuals, because that's the thing just to finish.
That's the thing people keep forgetting is that the the
members of the we're on a dead press kick when
the smoking camera disappears there, they're just other people, you know.
So they want to have this managed idea and often
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hold people to unrealistic standards. There should not be a
stigma about discussing mental health. Yes, absolutely, And to your
point about the kind of trope about the locked away
royal you know family members, that would have been a
shame shaming upon the family, uh if if they were
revealed to have had, you know, some sort of condition
like this. I mean, that story from the Crown is
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absolutely true. The two of the queen's first cousins had
these developmental disabilities and weren't fact hidden away in a
very problematic institution called Royal Heiress would Hospital um and
it was criticized for having lots of sanitation problems and
and overcrowding issues like that. Again, you can read more
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about that in that article or there's also a channel
for war documentary. Um. Yeah, I'm almost interested in like
the difference sub Channel four isn't government subsidized, whereas the
BBC is. So I'm wondering if the fact that it's
not BBC allows them to do stuff like this. But
it's called The Queen's Hidden Cousins and that's a documentary
that aired. Um but Matt, how about you. I don't
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know that you're a particular like royal watcher nut, but
I mean it's all super fascinating, I think for all
of us, especially given the research we've done on this
kind of stuff in the past, like is the royal
family still secretly in charge of the US and things
like that. No, I I have to be honest, I
feel like I don't have all of the info to
even like be in this discussion. Can you can you
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guys just give me kind of a exact rundown on
what occurred or what was said or alleged during that
Megan Merkel interview. Totally. I mean it's sort of twofold Ben,
you know, correct if I'm wrong. But a big part
of it was that she, like Princess Diana, sought mental
health assistance and was stone walled. Essentially. It's a big
part of it. Uh. There's also a uh that was
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symptomatic of a larger problem, which would have been seen
as uh, you know, it's bullying, discrimination running rampant. Uh.
The way the snippets are reported, of course, it's going
to focus on the bite sized things they can fit
into a five minute piece right on the evening news
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or the morning shows. But yeah, it's allegations of intense racism,
of of kind of mothering the cold shoulder, right like
you're your good advertising for this regime, but you are
not really one of us. Um that. So that's part
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of the the idea, an idea that was explored in
a much more lighthearted and much more fictional, thankfully way,
in the John Goodman film King Ralph. Thank you to
the wh to reach out to me Ben bull in
HSW on Twitter to let me know that King Ralph
is the name of the film, and the reason I
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was calling it Duke of Earle is because there's a
heartwarming musical number in there. Oh yeah, and it was
the first time I ever heard the name of the
British delicacy Spotted Dick. There's are is a very kind
of you know, raunchy joke may out of that in
the movie, but it is a thing it's got like
raisins in it. It's some kind of like bread pudding situation.
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So that's the that's kind of the gist of the
the interview. But there are other things explored there. And
I would say that we know, we being the people
who are not in the royal family nor in that
in the relationship between Harry and Megan markle Um, it
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seems that they're taking it seriously because uh, and they
do mean this because Prince Harry was just just got
a new job chief impact officer at a mental health
company called Better Up. So this may be at least
in the battle of public opinion. Uh, this this may
be another indication that they will work to destigmatize uh
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mental health or the conversation surrounding mental health in the future.
And that's something I for one applaud m hm. That's great. Yeah,
the situation was Megan Merkel was a actor. Right. I'm
so sorry for not knowing all these Like I said,
I mean, it really is a niche kind of part
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of news. It doesn't affect us as a country very
much at all because it is just such like a
total total almost like charade. Uh that is, you know, uh,
like a soap opera happening before the very eyes of
the British public. And certainly there are folks that get
into that and then and really pay close attention to it,
but it ultimately doesn't amount to a hell of a
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lot in terms of like policy or anything real, because
these folks are essentially powerless in terms of the way
the government runs. Unless I'm missing something, yeah, I'm not sure.
I just I would say it's a good thing that
it's being addressed. I'm glad that it's being spoken about.
I'm glad their moves being taken by one of them
to like head up part of a part of an
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organization that's going to assist with mental health in one
way or another, even if it's for profit. Uh, it's
it is not strange that bringing someone into the royal
family that was so very much outside of that life
caused some ripples within that institution. Right, That's not weird.
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That's should have been expected, I think to some extent. Um,
But I perhaps they wasn't. Uh, they didn't think it
would occur to such an extent maybe um, And we're
talking about bullying, so like would that have been I mean,
I know the racist comment was something you know, Megan
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Marco is of mixed race, and there was a comment
acknowledged in this interview that, uh, there were there were
concerns from you know, the royal family that their children
would be to quote unquote dark looking. Um so, just
just the fact they're actually speaking out of school like this.
I'm sure it's causing a huge hubbub within that firm, right,
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but h and it seems to be a value. But
the reason I said that d thing is like, well,
of course they're racist and weird. Yeah, what I mean,
I think that's what I was getting. I got it. Yeah, Well,
I I feel so first off, I'm probably more in
your side with this matter. I don't, um, I understand
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that stories of celebrities and individuals you will never meet,
uh sell a lot of papers, right, they sell a
lot of ad dollars. They're they're good for companies. I
don't know how much good celebrity warship does for the world.
I do, But I'm also torn because you know, these
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are two people that will probably never meet, who definitely
had a terrible experience with their family, and they don't
seem like horrible people. They seem like they are just
trying to make sure that they can give their kid
a decent life, which is something I think we can
all get behind. But the the other issue here is
that this kind of this kind of idolization of people
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for nothing other than the genetic accident of their birth,
uh is to me it's a very disappointing thing about
the human species. Like every time I hear somebody refer
to um or kind of like we live kind of
vicariously right through these these figures in the meeting, And
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every time I hear somebody refer to a celebrity or
the musician they love because they feel like they have
a personal connection that I'm wondering, you know, how much
of that time could have been dedicated to to other
things that help everybody. And yes there's the or about it,
and yes there's performance about it. And I would say,
in this case it's incredibly important because we're talking, like
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as you said, Noel, about the stigma of mental health.
This person needed help not just from one of the
most powerful, arguably corrupt institutions in the world historically speaking,
but was a member of that institution and was denied that.
So the in this was not like a sit around
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the kitchen table, tally up the monthly budget and say
we can't afford a therapist this month. This was very
much not the case. This was just refusing to help. Yeah,
you know whose opinion we need right now? You know
jon Jaw rules. Where's Jaw? Where Jonathan? He's into the
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royal stuff. He follows that stuff pretty closely. He does, actually,
I bet he does. Actually believe you're correct. But the
the other thing, here's your point, Noel, that you raised
that I think is really important, asking about how much
influence over policy the royal family and and it's connected
tribal system controls, like like how much influence do they have?
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Rather the problem there with the UK, and and of
course the US has a lot of these problems as well,
is that a huge swath of companies that are ostensibly
private companies, a huge swath of real estate, a huge
swath of the economy is owned by people who just
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got it from inheritance due to these familial connections rather
than I would say, any sort of meritocratic qualifications. So
while the laws, like their laws in the UK that say, um,
the crown or the or the queen in this case
has the ability to do some things with the understanding
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that she actually won't. That's a really weird way to
write a law first, um or a weird understanding. But
the other thing is, you don't need to have explicit
legal control of government processes if you have explicit control
of so much private industry and so much of the economy,
you know what I mean, Like you don't. People in
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the House of Commons can say all kinds of things,
you know what I mean, And I hope, I hope
it helps their political career, but that's not the same
thing as having so much control over the economy. And
maybe I'm being too cynical. I mean, tell me if
I am, but it just it stinks because it feels
like these are three because they have a kid. Feels
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like these are three generally good people who have been
put in a really bad situation. I completely agree, and
it's through no fault of their own in the same
way that folks who are born into that world often get,
you know, opportunities that they don't necessarily qualify for. Uh,
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And it's hard to kind of liked ding them for that. UM.
I think that's an issue where it's like, you know, oh,
You're getting this level of influence because of no other
reason than you were born into this situation. And it
doesn't mean that you are qualified for it or that
you actually worked for it. Um So, at least tankicely,
we don't have pure monarchies like that anymore, or at
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least you know, in this part of the world. Um
But I don't know, man, it's interesting, it does hear.
I agree with you. It seems like they are really
good people and they're using in the same way that Diana. Did.
You know Diana was a huge humanitarian and used her
platform to you know, help less fortunate people. And I
applaud that. You know, you're given that boon, you're given
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that like leg up, use that leg up and for
something uh positive, And I think I think I applaud that.
Um So, it does seem like they are using this
opportunity to point out and shed some light on some
things that we probably already knew were happening. But it
might cause a reckoning, uh that could actually you know,
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bring about some change. But I guess my point is
the reason I'm so cynical about this is like, who cares?
What do they actually do? What do they actually accomplished.
Is there any actual impact to what the members of
the royal family do in terms of the country listeners
from the UK, please let let let me know, let
us know. I might be being completely naive about that,
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because certainly there's the potential for backdoor dealings and back
door you know, influence, But to me it always just
struck me as such a symbolic thing that I've never
been overly concerned about it outside of just the drama, uh,
and the fun that comes along with, you know, watching that.
So on that note, I don't really have anything else
to add if you can, unless you guys do we could,
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we could hop into a sponsor break. Let's do it.
Let's all enjoy a royal with the cheese, I think.
And we are back now we are jumping over to
a message we got from Buddy. Buddy emailed us and
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he said, I've been told this story a few times
by other conspiracy realists. He says, are you familiar with
the story of the Gulf Breeze six. It was six
intelligence operatives with high level security clearances stationed in Germany
and they went a wall, which means they they left. Basically,
they ghosted. Uh. They turn up a week later in
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Gulf Breeze, Florida. What happens in that week is super strange.
I'm talking prophecies, wuija boards, busted tail lights, and the
second Coming of Jesus. I hope y'all can look into
this one. And that's that's how Buddy finished. Uh, one body,
this is this But this is one that I had
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heard of a while back, but I couldn't remember. You know,
something's kind of on your tip of your telling. You
could say, my specific memories of it went absent without
leave right, okay, wall, But what's going on here, Matt, Well,
what's going on is an amazing story. And I can't
wait for us to tell you about it and for
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you to know about it, and then for you to
talk about it the next time you're hanging hanging with
somebody else, because it's just a fun story. Uh. I've
got three specific news stories from the nineties that we're
going to go through. Um nol. You've got the first one.
It's from the New York Times. If you can just
read us what was happening, I sure can. Six soldiers
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found in Florida A wall from US by Unit by
Eric Schmidt, Special to The New York Times. That's nice,
special reporter. I guess, um, so it goes like this.
I'll kind of give you a little bit of an abridgment,
but give you the highlights. Six soldiers missing from an
Army intelligence unit at a sensitive National Security Agency eavesdropping
post in West Germany had been apprehended in Florida and
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are the focus of a routine counter espionage investigation. The
Penning and said today, UH, no arrests at this point.
The Army said there was no evidence to suggest the
soldiers were infect spies. Um. And a three week old
army regulation this is very new at the time, UH
that Army personnel with access to classified information be detained immediately.
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Uh if they extend their leave without permission. Okay. And
then here's a quote from Pentagon spokesperson Bob Hall. The
Army says it does not appear to be an espionage case,
but they have to make a counter intelligence investigation. That's
standard procedure. And then on the West Germany side, investigators
have been told that the six belonged to a group
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called the End of the World, but Pentagon officials said
they know nothing about this group or whether it has
any bearing on the case whatsoever. Uh. And then the
pentagons of the two of the soldiers went on authorized
leave from the seven first Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg,
West Germany, two weeks prior to the story and never returned.
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At the same time, two other soldiers from the unit vanished,
and officials I suspected the two additional soldiers who were
on leave would not return. Yeah, so dude, this is
crazy stuff. So this here's what you need to know.
There were six soldiers. These are the six soldiers were
mentioning here. They went missing from an army intelligence unit
at a sensitive National Security Agency eavesdropping post in West Germany.
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And this this is important. Of course, the n s
A is tight in terms of security. Uh. These folks
at the seven hundred and first Military Intelligence Brigade would
be working with the n s A, but not necessarily
National Security Agency themselves. I think it's also very important
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to point out these people who lit out for the territories.
As Mark Twain would say, we're also very relatively young,
the oldest being around twenty six years old. So they
had not, um did not necessarily had like decades long careers.
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This isn't the same thing as somebody with twenty years
in the organization or in the government deciding to fly
the coupe. And despite their planning, you know, despite the
clearly premeditated way that they phased their desertion or go
a day wall. Uh, they were caught. Yes, they were
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caught because the authorities found them riding around in a
van that had a tail light out, and they just
you know, a local officer just happened to check their
plates and found out that they went back to one
of the missing intelligence officers. Then they ended up following
them to an apartment, where upon, bursting into set apartment,
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they found four thousand dollars in cash. And that's quite
a bit of money. And it's not crazy, but it's
quite a bit of money to have on hand, especially
when you consider the income of a younger person in
the military. Exactly. Then all six got flown to Fort
Benning and that's where this story ends. Uh. And then
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up I comes in with another story, which is an
update from just a little while, about ten days I
think after this initial article was written. That's right, Yeah,
the July story from u P I note that the
accusations were upgraded from going a wall to full on desertion.
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They were discharged from their military obligation, as Major Joseph
Ulbard said. Uh. And also in the course of the investigation,
it was revealed that while they were at that post
in West Germany, they had told friends they were leaving
for a reason. Together. You see, they had an appointment,
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this group calling itself the End of the World. Their
appointment was with none other than g Jesus Christ who
had returned. And uh. He was also in his time
since uh, since the Crucifixion and the resurrection, he had
gotten really deep into UFOs and that was one of
the things that the End of the World uh six
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from the first we're going to go talk to him
about um, maybe engulf breeze, maybe maybe somewhere else. Maybe
that's just where they met up to go meet up
with Jesus exactly. And so the important here to note
is that these intelligence agents or these intelligence officers were
all into cryptography. That was one of their major specialties,
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which is kind of interesting, right, leading you down twisted
pathways to discover secret truths hidden in codes, really really
interesting stuff. Well, it's fascinating to know that these people
that have to be intelligent to one high level or another,
just to be in this field and to operate at
these levels. They at least told their friends that the
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end of the world was coming, as you know, as
was mentioned by their their name, Jesus was going to
be there and he was specifically going to be on
Pensacola Beach, which is just up the way from Golf
Breeze right, exactly the same, but it's just up the way. Oh,
and I do want to point out they did get
charged with a wall and not desertion that's originally what
they had and they received a general discharge, so they
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didn't get a dishonorable discharge. They just got let go. Well, yeah,
they were able to work it out. Basically, the brass
was piste and they wanted to give him a much
worse thing, but they talked it out. But then it
also says, at least according this article quote, they also
said they were out to destroy the Antichrist, who planned
to sneak aboard a ufouh whoa. So the name of
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their group was appropriate. I mean, they were worried about this.
We're worried about the end of the world as foretold,
and like revelations, and a biblical end of the world. Right,
that is correct. Okay, Now, look we're going to one
last article and then we're gonna end it. For now.
I think this is a full episode because there's way
more to the story here that we're gonna be able
to cover. Um, there's one of these, one of the people,
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one of the six. His name is Vance Davis, and
he he came forward with some information that the AP
covered in two years after all of this stuff went down.
I'm gonna read you some of this. The title his
soldier gives as a reason he disappeared orders from Wiji Board.
Here's a quote from him. How ridiculous can you get?
(31:34):
Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ? Why would he come in
a flying saucer? No, says Davis, The reason they left
their army intelligence post was quite simple. Wiji Board spirits
told them they were needed to help lead the world
through an impending cataclysm. WHOA, whoa what Wi boards have
(31:54):
done a lot man for affairs both metaphysical and international,
you know, like right, we talked about it before. Uh.
And this is no ding on Hasbro, which is a
great company. I just I feel like a mass marketed
game by Hasbro sold as a game. Uh may not
(32:17):
be the number one way to to make contact with
the divine, the demonic, or the dead, or maybe Hasbro's
in on it. Bro. Maybe Hasbro's in on it. Maybe
it's an acronym. Maybe it's an acronym. But let me
jump in here. So this is roughly two years after
the thing he's taught. He's talking to a reporter. He
(32:38):
says that, according to the Luigia Board race riots in
Los Angeles, we're going to be a signal to the
group to go public. So once we see that, we're
gonna tell everyone our story, the others will come forward
one by one, depending on public reaction to what Davis says.
That's these are his words. Davis says, it all began
innocently in November nineteen d nine. Quote. We decided to
(33:02):
do some experimentation into things we wanted to see if
there was something actually to it. Esp. Parapsychology, ghost sharot,
cards um. And they said they essentially didn't get anywhere
until they tried Awgia board and he says, someone showed up.
I'm talking spiritually. In the months that followed, Davis says
several spirits talked to the group predicting the Gulf War
(33:23):
and the Iran earthquake. And then in May they were
trying to figure out a way to essentially leave, like
some of them were thinking they may leave the military service,
and they couldn't really figure out a good way to
do it. Um. And then apparently towards the end of May,
in that year of the they were told by whatever
(33:46):
they were contacting or whatever they thought they were contacting,
that they needed to leave the service because it was
not going to help them grow and become what they
were supposed to become. So they were really given a
mission to you help get people through all of the
craziness that was going to happen. And I'll tell you
what they said was going to happen. Davis says. The
(34:07):
changes include numerous earthquakes, volcano eruptions, A major eruption of
Mount Rayner is that we've decided that was there Mount
Rayner in Washington State, the devastation of New York City
by a gas leak, food and race riots in every
major city. They would lead to martial law and economic collapse. Okay,
so that's I mean, that's kind of your garden variety,
(34:32):
end of the world sort of disaster mixtape. Oh but
I did come up with one ready, Holy Announcements sent
by Real Organisms, has Bro, that's holly in there. But
you know, if you're antiwgi, you could call it hells
your Announcements sent by real organisms. There you go, there
(34:53):
you go. Well, well, I'm gonna leave it at this
for now. Besides the fact that David said he was
gonna the group would leave as all of this terrible
stuff was happening. Then they would come back, essentially to
be the new leaders. Once the world is thrown into chaos,
they come back to make things right again. Fascinating stuff.
It could be a situation where six people conspired to
find a way to leave the government and their their
(35:15):
positions and then have a story that's pretty out there
to where maybe they wouldn't get in trouble because they
could claim that it's a far out story and maybe
they're not in the right of mind. Perhaps, who knows,
that's my that's me putting a spin on it. I
don't know if any of that has anything to do
with reality. Um, but there's also other stuff here. Maybe
(35:36):
they were contacting some kind of thing, some kind of
being that really was there, that really was a part
of whatever that station was, that research station where they
were at. There are allegations all over the place when
it comes to the story about the government being in
contact with beings that are helping them in some way
(35:58):
see the future. Very much in the way that these
people believe this thing that they contacted showed them the future,
really really interesting stuff. There is a book that you
can read on this. There are numerous interviews on Coast
to Coast and in other places where where Davis and
others spoke. I think we should cover it further in
the future, dig a little more into it, because there's
(36:20):
gotta be more meat on these bones. Yeah. Hey, we
might even have some of the some of the folks
from Coast to Coast on the show at some point.
Can you imagine the war stories that they will have
for us. But yeah, this is this is fascinating. So
I want to I want to thank you. I um,
I say it without a lick of irony here, uh
(36:42):
we're humor. Oh buddy, this story is Oh buddy, indeed,
thank you for sending that in those those really great
all right, we'll be back with another message from you.
And we have returned. As we said at the top
(37:02):
of this week's segment, this is the part of the
show that may not be appropriate for all listeners. We
are delving into something that is both terrifying and real,
and one thing that is, in addition to being real
and terrifying, immensely depressed. Actually, you know what, this whole
part is the downer part of the show. Uh. And
(37:24):
it is all thanks to our fellow conspiracy realist Tom,
who called in recently with this folkus. This is Tom.
Hearing reports from North Korea that claimed the country had
zero COVID nineteen deaths made me think back to the
nies when Nikola Kachevku made similar statements about his country
(37:44):
of Romania being free of the age epidemic. I remember
the World Health Organization went into Romania after Kacheku was
overthrown and executed, and at the w h O found
orphanages or hospitals with children who have been infected with
HIV from birth, and that horrible conditions they existed in
where the kids were unused to being held and cared for,
(38:07):
and that they had problems acclimating themselves to human touch.
I was hoping you could follow up on the lives
of the survivors if any exists, or speak to the
dangers of countries sweeping victims under the rug during epidemics
is part of their propaganda. If that seems too dark
or sad, I'd love for you folks to do a
piece on pentagone Project one thousand from back in the
(38:31):
nineteen sixties. Thanks again, this is Tom right, Thanks so much, Tom.
This UH massively appreciate this call because it's something that
I think a lot of people, especially younger people in
the West, are not aware of. Yes, during the time
(38:53):
that Romania was a dictatorship, a communist dictatorship, particularly U,
some crazy, crazy, horrific things happened because of what was
called a natalist policy. Abortion and contraception were forbidden in
the country because the dictator, Nikolai Chashku, believed that unrestricted
(39:18):
population growth would naturally one to one lead to economic growth,
and so back in sixty six he issued something called
Decrease seven seventy banned abortion in all and any cases,
including sexual assaults, unless the mother was over forty years
of age, or already had borne for children or was
(39:41):
currently caring for four children. So predictably, birth rates rise,
they turn up the economic heat later by instituting special
taxes for people who didn't have children and these This
resulted in tons of Earth's with tons of children being
(40:02):
abandoned in orphanages that were also occupied by people with disabilities,
by people with mental illness. HIV comes into play here
when we consider the very low standards of cleanliness and care.
I mean we this is one of those episodes that
(40:23):
I feel has to be an episode because the dictator
and his followers, and his under LANs and his collaborators
were very much participating in a conspiracy that has traceable,
real consequences even in the modern day. So these kids, uh,
you know, we're not receiving things like human contact during
(40:45):
their formative years. Uh, they're not receiving nutrition. They were
often cases of terrible abuse and then unsterilized instruments led
to the transmission of HIV and other diseases, other infections.
About half a million kids survived what were would later
(41:07):
be called Romania's Slaughterhouse of souls. Before we continue, had
you guys heard of this before? Tom? Now? Yeah, this
is uh, it's my first run into it for sure. Um,
there's a Guardian article that you that you posted here
(41:28):
been and I was kind of making my way through it.
It's um, it's really rough. It's it's interesting to see
some of you know, the children who are now a
little older, being able to speak about their experiences. Yeah, agreed.
And of course, you know, the most important people I
think in this story are the victims, right, the survivors.
(41:52):
The dictator was executed, But just I'd like to give
you an example of the kind of things that happened
to these completely innocent children. There there was this culture
of violence used to control the children, because of course
there are many more children than there are caregivers. Uh.
There's one story about a night supervisor and an orphanage
(42:14):
who caused some fifth graders arguing in their dorm room,
and so as punishment he ordered them to hit each other,
uh and forced them to fight. There was a news
story here in the US UH a number a year
a number of years ago about daycare centers doing some
of the same things. The thing when the daycare center
(42:36):
is that horrible as that may be, those children were
able to leave at night. UH. The staff was of
these romanian orphanages was beating everybody and then ordering larger
children to hit smaller children. Uh. The the survivors of
these orphanages, if you'd like to learn more about them,
(42:56):
created an association called feder ray f E d E
r e I I. That is a Romanian epich that
used for orphans that stems from a local term for
a garbage dump. And the the survivors and their allies
(43:18):
when various in geo's are pushing Romanian authorities to admit
to and apologize for this, uh, the victimization of these
estimated five hundred thousand children before the end of the
Cold War. So yes, Tom, there there are survivors, and
we think it is worthwhile and important to make this
(43:43):
a full episode because again it's like it's a story
that I was not aware of, Matt. You know, we
were talking about this little off air I was not
aware of outside of some horror stories I had read,
like fictional horror stories. Horror fan you'll remember, I'm sure
this series of books that came out. They were called
(44:04):
like the Ultimate some things like the Ultimate Werewolf, the
Ultimate Vampire, the Ultimate zombie kind of thing, you know. Uh.
And they had some great stories in these anthologies, and
there's one in the ultimate vampire that takes place like
in Romania as it's crumbling, and it's about these orphanages,
and I don't want to spoil uh the story, but
(44:24):
it was horrific enough that I simply assumed this was
a particularly imaginative and maccabre author. I was incorrect in
this assumption, because I, you know, I went to the
library and found out that, yes, this did happen. It
just didn't get a lot of reporting until I think
of the West segment that ran in the nineties nineties.
(44:49):
These people are you know, a lot of these people
are very much alive and struggling with the lifelong consequences
of this. Tom gave us a bait and switch as well,
which I thought was I thought it was interesting. Tom.
I had to have a little bit of a gallows
humor chuckle with you vicariously, because you guys heard that
(45:10):
at the very end where Tom says, if this is
too dark for if this is too dark for the show,
then I have another idea. Please look into Project one
hundred thousand. Project one hundred thousand is another thing that
I had never I had like not heard of this one.
I had no idea. I thought it might be one
(45:31):
of those things like the bat bomb, or let's make
let's try to make cats spies, or let's put you know, uh,
submarine gear on a dolphin and just see what he
can get into. Write this is not a Project one
hundred thousand is. No, it's not, I believe. What did
you refer to it as in in the outline bend
food bar? Yes, yeah, we're doing a lot of military
(45:53):
acronyms today. Yes, yeah, the Project one thousand is is
kind of food bar. It was initiated by Defense Secretary
Robert McNamara in the mid sixties because the Uncle Sam
was in trouble in Vietnam. They didn't have enough manpower
(46:15):
and have enough boots in the ground. They didn't have
enough people to send out to maybe die. And so
what he did with this was to recruit soldier to
lower the recruiting standards of soldiers, so people who were
not able to satisfy in particular mental standards like cognitive
(46:38):
standards were now accepted. You were sent off to die,
which is a very dark context in which to consider
Forrest Gump. You know what I mean, exactly what I
was thinking about with Forrest and some of the men
that he was serving with. Huh yeah, and so fictionally
of course. Right, So this had happened in other wars
(47:02):
and in the US as well, because people who scored
lower in certain percentiles of mental aptitude tests as it
would be called, still got into service in World War Two.
But this eventually led to a like a legal a
hard legal floor. Your your i Q had to be
a D to enlist. And of course there there's a
(47:24):
multitude of problems with the i Q test anyway, as
it stands then and as it stands now, you can't
really measure something that you yourself cannot define or understand.
We have a very poor understanding of what intelligence is
in general. But yes, it is true. Uh, it is
(47:46):
unfortunately very true. And these people who were affected by
Project one hundred thousand, they still had to carry a
lot of the same after certain post service burden that
other veterans carry, you know, higher rates of divorce, higher
rates of unemployment. Uh, they're also going to have, you know,
(48:11):
higher rates or lower rates of income and stuff. It's
just a very it's a very messed up experiment, and
and really it's it can be Experts have described it
as a failed experiment. And it and it was a
little benefit to the people that it was maybe intended
(48:32):
to help, if you want to say, recruiting them in
the army was intended to help. So I don't think
we didn't notice. Tom, that is an equally that is
an equally troubling thing. And I'm wondering if that that
is an episode as well. But speaking of episodes, this
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My name is Matt Frederick, the audit tun there man.
My name is No. It'sund it great. They called me Ben.
We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission
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It is time yet again for our weekly Listener Male segment.
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We are traveling internationally, we are traveling chronologically. We do
want to give a heads up to everybody in the
crowd today. Uh, there is going to be uh one
one part of this week segment that does focus on
some pretty dark and disturbing things. Uh. We'll have another disclaimer.
(01:11):
I'll make sure to have one at the top before
we get to that story. But just know that we
are we're going to a lot of uh strange places
today and we thought that we would we thought would
ease into this with an update on a story that
has been followed very closely in Canada, followed in the
(01:32):
United States, the world abroad, but followed especially closely in
the United Kingdom. Yeah, I'm sorry, Hey, sorry about the
weird auto tune there. No, I was trying to do
a silly set up with the melody to a song
that had to do with your topic. Oh, Royal never
(01:53):
be And it's true, we can't. You can't have either
born into it or you marry into it. Um like
Megan Mark did. Uh and hasn't had the best experience,
it turns out with the Royal family and what is
referred to behind closed doors and in royal watcher circles,
that's the thing as the firm um, but not the
John Grisham book or or or Tom Cruise movie of
(02:16):
the same name. The firm is a term that is
used to refer to the Royal Family, all of its institutions,
it's lays on its page boys and whatever. All the
stuff that it takes to make that machine go is
the firm um. And yeah, the story Ben is mentioning,
of course, is the Oprah Winfrey interview with Megan and
(02:38):
Prince Harry. And it was pretty juicy stuff. Uh, some
real tell all moments in that interview, and in particular
the thing that we're going to talk about today, UM
was hipped to us by a listener who wrote in
by the name of Rosie the Lean bean vegan machine.
(02:59):
That's her name, at least that's what she has to
go by. And it just goes to show that if
you call in or send it's an email and and
you want to be on listener mail, UM, we will
call you literally whatever you want. So here we go.
It's pretty long email. To try to abridge it a
bit on the fly here UM. Last week, Megan Marko
and Prince Harry dropped the biggest bomb expose in an
interview with Oprah Winfrey about their experience with the royal
(03:21):
family and the Institution also known as the Firm. Uh.
It's no secret that they prioritize public image, they being
the family and the crowd, rather than addressing family drama
or internal conflicts. What does that sound like, you guys?
Sounds to me just like family in general. But this
is obviously on a much larger and more clandestine scale. Um.
(03:42):
They it's no secret they prioritize public image and the
crown rather than addressing family drama or internal conflicts. But
there's so much that slowly comes back to haunt them
later on. Regardless, there's a show on Netflix called The Crown.
Sure many folks are fans of that. I haven't seen it,
perst Um. I'm very much aware of it, and I'm
considering giving it a shot. But it's about the Royal family,
(04:05):
of course, and it is inspired by many real life
events that actually happened throughout the history of the Royal Family,
and one particular event that stood out to me when
Princess Margaret finally wanted to address her internal conflicts depression
UH and decided to go to therapy. In therapy, she
finds out that mental health is very stigmatized for Royal
(04:26):
family members, and she even finds out that her distant
cousins who had been born with mental health issues and
had been publicly declared dead UH decades before, were in
fact very much alive and had been kept secretly away
in a mental institution. Um. This is a real life event. Time.
This back to Megan's interview. There's so much to unpack there,
(04:48):
but it saddens me that we are in and mental
health is still stigmatized in so many parts of the world. Um.
She claims that she was at one point suicidal and
asked their HR department. I think it's a comical that
the idea of the role I family having an HR department,
but I guess they must um for help, and she
(05:08):
was denied help because she was not a quote paid
employee by the firm. She's definitely not the first, not
the last Royal family member that will have mental health concerns,
and the firm's history of how they handle this is
definitely questionable and concerning. And then she goes into talking
about Princess Diana's kind of treatment in terms of the
(05:31):
way she was kind of stigmatized within the family for
her own personal struggles with bulimia and mental health issues
like depression. UM. And then ultimately she you know, obviously
tragically was killed in that car accident where there are
many many questions as to how that happened. There's a
whole episode of so they don't want you to know,
(05:51):
devoted to that alone. Um. But living in the public
eye like that, you know, the way she was and
being kind of firmed the bus uh by the royal
family certainly seems to have been something that maybe led
to the tragic events of her passing. Stay safe and
keep up the amazing work. Also thanks for keeping me
saying at work. I work in accounting and when I say,
(06:13):
you guys are the highlights. Yes, the highlights. I binge
your podcast throughout my days. I mean it. Um, So
thank you, Rosie, Thanks Vegan Machine. Yes, uh really truly
so much to unpack here. We've talked about this off air,
and I think we all have varying degrees of um
suspicion around institutions like the royal family. Um. And I
(06:35):
just think, you know, British politics in general is a
little sketchy and strange. There's a lot of old money,
a lot of secrets, and a lot of you know,
kind of subterfuge um. And the story she talks about
is in fact very much true. It's the story of
Queen Elizabeth's cousins who were hidden away. Uh. There's a
(06:57):
great article on Esquire if you want to hear about
the real life story behind the Crown Season four UM plotline,
highly recommended by Adrian Westenfeld called the Queen's Hidden cousins
are part of a shameful chapter in royal history. But yeah,
what did you guys make of this interview or or
the bits you know that kind of made the news.
(07:17):
Uh is this important? Is this all kind of dub
or what do what do you think dud what sense? Duh?
Like this is obviously the case. You know that they've
been you know, uh, not treating people with mental health
conditions correctly, and that it's all kind of about the
image of the family, and it's all I mean, even
(07:38):
the existence of the family seems to be largely a
pr kind of situation at this point. Being these figureheads,
the terms figureheads to me just implies absolutely just trotting
them out for ceremonial purposes to keep all the old
money types happy, uh and make them feel like they
still live in some semblance of a monarchy. Um, when
it's really you know, it's kind of something else. Um yeah,
(08:01):
I don't know. But do you think there are any
big aha moments or what? What was your takeaway? So?
Uh yeah, okay, I'm trying to distill what you just
sat down into the dust. So the so what the
what I would say then, I don't know if I'm
answering you exactly from answering the question, But what I
would say is the first thing to realize is that
(08:23):
the aristo monarchical system of the United Kingdom is masterful
at controlling public narrative. And it's like if you see
scandals reported in the tabloids, they're the scandals that that system,
that firm wants you to hear. That's what they want
(08:44):
you to be outraged about. That's why you're not going
to see a ton of people in the BBC saying, hey,
if Prince Andrew was any other person, wouldn't he be
in jail? The answer is, of course, you know, arguably yes. Uh.
This this like many institutions, UM, this is not this
(09:04):
part is not a ding on the royal family. Like
many institutions. Uh, it's number one goal is to ensure
it's further existence and to extend when possible it's control. Uh.
And one of the one of the spheres that the
that system, that institution very much controls is the sphere
(09:25):
of public information. Uh, the sphere of media. Um. We know,
scandal a plenty in this particular institution because those stories
eventually come out, um unfortunately posthumously for the people who
are victims of these kinds of things. You know, like
the stereotype of the locked away family member is very
(09:48):
much real, but it doesn't come out in time to
help those individuals, because that's the thing just to finish.
That's the thing people keep forgetting is that the the
members of the we're on a dead press kick when
the smoking camera disappears there, they're just other people, you know.
So they want to have this managed idea and often
(10:12):
hold people to unrealistic standards. There should not be a
stigma about discussing mental health. Yes, absolutely, And to your
point about the kind of trope about the locked away
royal you know family members, that would have been a
shame shaming upon the family, uh if if they were
revealed to have had, you know, some sort of condition
like this. I mean, that story from the Crown is
(10:33):
absolutely true. The two of the queen's first cousins had
these developmental disabilities and weren't fact hidden away in a
very problematic institution called Royal Heiress would Hospital um and
it was criticized for having lots of sanitation problems and
and overcrowding issues like that. Again, you can read more
(10:56):
about that in that article or there's also a channel
for war documentary. Um. Yeah, I'm almost interested in like
the difference sub Channel four isn't government subsidized, whereas the
BBC is. So I'm wondering if the fact that it's
not BBC allows them to do stuff like this. But
it's called The Queen's Hidden Cousins and that's a documentary
that aired. Um but Matt, how about you. I don't
(11:18):
know that you're a particular like royal watcher nut, but
I mean it's all super fascinating, I think for all
of us, especially given the research we've done on this
kind of stuff in the past, like is the royal
family still secretly in charge of the US and things
like that. No, I I have to be honest, I
feel like I don't have all of the info to
even like be in this discussion. Can you can you
(11:39):
guys just give me kind of a exact rundown on
what occurred or what was said or alleged during that
Megan Merkel interview. Totally. I mean it's sort of twofold Ben,
you know, correct if I'm wrong. But a big part
of it was that she, like Princess Diana, sought mental
health assistance and was stone walled. Essentially. It's a big
part of it. Uh. There's also a uh that was
(12:04):
symptomatic of a larger problem, which would have been seen
as uh, you know, it's bullying, discrimination running rampant. Uh.
The way the snippets are reported, of course, it's going
to focus on the bite sized things they can fit
into a five minute piece right on the evening news
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or the morning shows. But yeah, it's allegations of intense racism,
of of kind of mothering the cold shoulder, right like
you're your good advertising for this regime, but you are
not really one of us. Um that. So that's part
(12:47):
of the the idea, an idea that was explored in
a much more lighthearted and much more fictional, thankfully way,
in the John Goodman film King Ralph. Thank you to
the wh to reach out to me Ben bull in
HSW on Twitter to let me know that King Ralph
is the name of the film, and the reason I
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was calling it Duke of Earle is because there's a
heartwarming musical number in there. Oh yeah, and it was
the first time I ever heard the name of the
British delicacy Spotted Dick. There's are is a very kind
of you know, raunchy joke may out of that in
the movie, but it is a thing it's got like
raisins in it. It's some kind of like bread pudding situation.
(13:29):
So that's the that's kind of the gist of the
the interview. But there are other things explored there. And
I would say that we know, we being the people
who are not in the royal family nor in that
in the relationship between Harry and Megan markle Um, it
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seems that they're taking it seriously because uh, and they
do mean this because Prince Harry was just just got
a new job chief impact officer at a mental health
company called Better Up. So this may be at least
in the battle of public opinion. Uh, this this may
be another indication that they will work to destigmatize uh
(14:13):
mental health or the conversation surrounding mental health in the future.
And that's something I for one applaud m hm. That's great. Yeah,
the situation was Megan Merkel was a actor. Right. I'm
so sorry for not knowing all these Like I said,
I mean, it really is a niche kind of part
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of news. It doesn't affect us as a country very
much at all because it is just such like a
total total almost like charade. Uh that is, you know, uh,
like a soap opera happening before the very eyes of
the British public. And certainly there are folks that get
into that and then and really pay close attention to it,
but it ultimately doesn't amount to a hell of a
(14:55):
lot in terms of like policy or anything real, because
these folks are essentially powerless in terms of the way
the government runs. Unless I'm missing something, yeah, I'm not sure.
I just I would say it's a good thing that
it's being addressed. I'm glad that it's being spoken about.
I'm glad their moves being taken by one of them
to like head up part of a part of an
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organization that's going to assist with mental health in one
way or another, even if it's for profit. Uh, it's
it is not strange that bringing someone into the royal
family that was so very much outside of that life
caused some ripples within that institution. Right, That's not weird.
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That's should have been expected, I think to some extent. Um,
But I perhaps they wasn't. Uh, they didn't think it
would occur to such an extent maybe um, And we're
talking about bullying, so like would that have been I mean,
I know the racist comment was something you know, Megan
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Marco is of mixed race, and there was a comment
acknowledged in this interview that, uh, there were there were
concerns from you know, the royal family that their children
would be to quote unquote dark looking. Um so, just
just the fact they're actually speaking out of school like this.
I'm sure it's causing a huge hubbub within that firm, right,
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but h and it seems to be a value. But
the reason I said that d thing is like, well,
of course they're racist and weird. Yeah, what I mean,
I think that's what I was getting. I got it. Yeah, Well,
I I feel so first off, I'm probably more in
your side with this matter. I don't, um, I understand
(16:37):
that stories of celebrities and individuals you will never meet,
uh sell a lot of papers, right, they sell a
lot of ad dollars. They're they're good for companies. I
don't know how much good celebrity warship does for the world.
I do, But I'm also torn because you know, these
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are two people that will probably never meet, who definitely
had a terrible experience with their family, and they don't
seem like horrible people. They seem like they are just
trying to make sure that they can give their kid
a decent life, which is something I think we can
all get behind. But the the other issue here is
that this kind of this kind of idolization of people
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for nothing other than the genetic accident of their birth,
uh is to me it's a very disappointing thing about
the human species. Like every time I hear somebody refer
to um or kind of like we live kind of
vicariously right through these these figures in the meeting, And
(17:43):
every time I hear somebody refer to a celebrity or
the musician they love because they feel like they have
a personal connection that I'm wondering, you know, how much
of that time could have been dedicated to to other
things that help everybody. And yes there's the or about it,
and yes there's performance about it. And I would say,
in this case it's incredibly important because we're talking, like
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as you said, Noel, about the stigma of mental health.
This person needed help not just from one of the
most powerful, arguably corrupt institutions in the world historically speaking,
but was a member of that institution and was denied that.
So the in this was not like a sit around
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the kitchen table, tally up the monthly budget and say
we can't afford a therapist this month. This was very
much not the case. This was just refusing to help. Yeah,
you know whose opinion we need right now? You know
jon Jaw rules. Where's Jaw? Where Jonathan? He's into the
(18:48):
royal stuff. He follows that stuff pretty closely. He does, actually,
I bet he does. Actually believe you're correct. But the
the other thing, here's your point, Noel, that you raised
that I think is really important, asking about how much
influence over policy the royal family and and it's connected
tribal system controls, like like how much influence do they have?
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Rather the problem there with the UK, and and of
course the US has a lot of these problems as well,
is that a huge swath of companies that are ostensibly
private companies, a huge swath of real estate, a huge
swath of the economy is owned by people who just
(19:29):
got it from inheritance due to these familial connections rather
than I would say, any sort of meritocratic qualifications. So
while the laws, like their laws in the UK that say, um,
the crown or the or the queen in this case
has the ability to do some things with the understanding
(19:54):
that she actually won't. That's a really weird way to
write a law first, um or a weird understanding. But
the other thing is, you don't need to have explicit
legal control of government processes if you have explicit control
of so much private industry and so much of the economy,
you know what I mean, Like you don't. People in
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the House of Commons can say all kinds of things,
you know what I mean, And I hope, I hope
it helps their political career, but that's not the same
thing as having so much control over the economy. And
maybe I'm being too cynical. I mean, tell me if
I am, but it just it stinks because it feels
like these are three because they have a kid. Feels
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like these are three generally good people who have been
put in a really bad situation. I completely agree, and
it's through no fault of their own in the same
way that folks who are born into that world often get,
you know, opportunities that they don't necessarily qualify for. Uh,
(20:57):
And it's hard to kind of liked ding them for that. UM.
I think that's an issue where it's like, you know, oh,
You're getting this level of influence because of no other
reason than you were born into this situation. And it
doesn't mean that you are qualified for it or that
you actually worked for it. Um So, at least tankicely,
we don't have pure monarchies like that anymore, or at
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least you know, in this part of the world. Um
But I don't know, man, it's interesting, it does hear.
I agree with you. It seems like they are really
good people and they're using in the same way that Diana. Did.
You know Diana was a huge humanitarian and used her
platform to you know, help less fortunate people. And I
applaud that. You know, you're given that boon, you're given
(21:40):
that like leg up, use that leg up and for
something uh positive, And I think I think I applaud that.
Um So, it does seem like they are using this
opportunity to point out and shed some light on some
things that we probably already knew were happening. But it
might cause a reckoning, uh that could actually you know,
(22:01):
bring about some change. But I guess my point is
the reason I'm so cynical about this is like, who cares?
What do they actually do? What do they actually accomplished.
Is there any actual impact to what the members of
the royal family do in terms of the country listeners
from the UK, please let let let me know, let
us know. I might be being completely naive about that,
(22:22):
because certainly there's the potential for backdoor dealings and back
door you know, influence, But to me it always just
struck me as such a symbolic thing that I've never
been overly concerned about it outside of just the drama, uh,
and the fun that comes along with, you know, watching that.
So on that note, I don't really have anything else
to add if you can, unless you guys do we could,
(22:43):
we could hop into a sponsor break. Let's do it.
Let's all enjoy a royal with the cheese, I think.
And we are back now we are jumping over to
a message we got from Buddy. Buddy emailed us and
(23:06):
he said, I've been told this story a few times
by other conspiracy realists. He says, are you familiar with
the story of the Gulf Breeze six. It was six
intelligence operatives with high level security clearances stationed in Germany
and they went a wall, which means they they left. Basically,
they ghosted. Uh. They turn up a week later in
(23:29):
Gulf Breeze, Florida. What happens in that week is super strange.
I'm talking prophecies, wuija boards, busted tail lights, and the
second Coming of Jesus. I hope y'all can look into
this one. And that's that's how Buddy finished. Uh, one body,
this is this But this is one that I had
(23:51):
heard of a while back, but I couldn't remember. You know,
something's kind of on your tip of your telling. You
could say, my specific memories of it went absent without
leave right, okay, wall, But what's going on here, Matt, Well,
what's going on is an amazing story. And I can't
wait for us to tell you about it and for
(24:12):
you to know about it, and then for you to
talk about it the next time you're hanging hanging with
somebody else, because it's just a fun story. Uh. I've
got three specific news stories from the nineties that we're
going to go through. Um nol. You've got the first one.
It's from the New York Times. If you can just
read us what was happening, I sure can. Six soldiers
(24:34):
found in Florida A wall from US by Unit by
Eric Schmidt, Special to The New York Times. That's nice,
special reporter. I guess, um, so it goes like this.
I'll kind of give you a little bit of an abridgment,
but give you the highlights. Six soldiers missing from an
Army intelligence unit at a sensitive National Security Agency eavesdropping
post in West Germany had been apprehended in Florida and
(24:56):
are the focus of a routine counter espionage investigation. The
Penning and said today, UH, no arrests at this point.
The Army said there was no evidence to suggest the
soldiers were infect spies. Um. And a three week old
army regulation this is very new at the time, UH
that Army personnel with access to classified information be detained immediately.
(25:17):
Uh if they extend their leave without permission. Okay. And
then here's a quote from Pentagon spokesperson Bob Hall. The
Army says it does not appear to be an espionage case,
but they have to make a counter intelligence investigation. That's
standard procedure. And then on the West Germany side, investigators
have been told that the six belonged to a group
(25:38):
called the End of the World, but Pentagon officials said
they know nothing about this group or whether it has
any bearing on the case whatsoever. Uh. And then the
pentagons of the two of the soldiers went on authorized
leave from the seven first Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg,
West Germany, two weeks prior to the story and never returned.
(26:00):
At the same time, two other soldiers from the unit vanished,
and officials I suspected the two additional soldiers who were
on leave would not return. Yeah, so dude, this is
crazy stuff. So this here's what you need to know.
There were six soldiers. These are the six soldiers were
mentioning here. They went missing from an army intelligence unit
at a sensitive National Security Agency eavesdropping post in West Germany.
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And this this is important. Of course, the n s
A is tight in terms of security. Uh. These folks
at the seven hundred and first Military Intelligence Brigade would
be working with the n s A, but not necessarily
National Security Agency themselves. I think it's also very important
(26:46):
to point out these people who lit out for the territories.
As Mark Twain would say, we're also very relatively young,
the oldest being around twenty six years old. So they
had not, um did not necessarily had like decades long careers.
(27:06):
This isn't the same thing as somebody with twenty years
in the organization or in the government deciding to fly
the coupe. And despite their planning, you know, despite the
clearly premeditated way that they phased their desertion or go
a day wall. Uh, they were caught. Yes, they were
(27:28):
caught because the authorities found them riding around in a
van that had a tail light out, and they just
you know, a local officer just happened to check their
plates and found out that they went back to one
of the missing intelligence officers. Then they ended up following
them to an apartment, where upon, bursting into set apartment,
(27:49):
they found four thousand dollars in cash. And that's quite
a bit of money. And it's not crazy, but it's
quite a bit of money to have on hand, especially
when you consider the income of a younger person in
the military. Exactly. Then all six got flown to Fort
Benning and that's where this story ends. Uh. And then
(28:10):
up I comes in with another story, which is an
update from just a little while, about ten days I
think after this initial article was written. That's right, Yeah,
the July story from u P I note that the
accusations were upgraded from going a wall to full on desertion.
(28:34):
They were discharged from their military obligation, as Major Joseph
Ulbard said. Uh. And also in the course of the investigation,
it was revealed that while they were at that post
in West Germany, they had told friends they were leaving
for a reason. Together. You see, they had an appointment,
(28:54):
this group calling itself the End of the World. Their
appointment was with none other than g Jesus Christ who
had returned. And uh. He was also in his time
since uh, since the Crucifixion and the resurrection, he had
gotten really deep into UFOs and that was one of
the things that the End of the World uh six
(29:16):
from the first we're going to go talk to him
about um, maybe engulf breeze, maybe maybe somewhere else. Maybe
that's just where they met up to go meet up
with Jesus exactly. And so the important here to note
is that these intelligence agents or these intelligence officers were
all into cryptography. That was one of their major specialties,
(29:39):
which is kind of interesting, right, leading you down twisted
pathways to discover secret truths hidden in codes, really really
interesting stuff. Well, it's fascinating to know that these people
that have to be intelligent to one high level or another,
just to be in this field and to operate at
these levels. They at least told their friends that the
(30:02):
end of the world was coming, as you know, as
was mentioned by their their name, Jesus was going to
be there and he was specifically going to be on
Pensacola Beach, which is just up the way from Golf
Breeze right, exactly the same, but it's just up the way. Oh,
and I do want to point out they did get
charged with a wall and not desertion that's originally what
they had and they received a general discharge, so they
(30:25):
didn't get a dishonorable discharge. They just got let go. Well, yeah,
they were able to work it out. Basically, the brass
was piste and they wanted to give him a much
worse thing, but they talked it out. But then it
also says, at least according this article quote, they also
said they were out to destroy the Antichrist, who planned
to sneak aboard a ufouh whoa. So the name of
(30:49):
their group was appropriate. I mean, they were worried about this.
We're worried about the end of the world as foretold,
and like revelations, and a biblical end of the world. Right,
that is correct. Okay, Now, look we're going to one
last article and then we're gonna end it. For now.
I think this is a full episode because there's way
more to the story here that we're gonna be able
to cover. Um, there's one of these, one of the people,
(31:11):
one of the six. His name is Vance Davis, and
he he came forward with some information that the AP
covered in two years after all of this stuff went down.
I'm gonna read you some of this. The title his
soldier gives as a reason he disappeared orders from Wiji Board.
Here's a quote from him. How ridiculous can you get?
(31:34):
Jesus Christ? Is Jesus Christ? Why would he come in
a flying saucer? No, says Davis, The reason they left
their army intelligence post was quite simple. Wiji Board spirits
told them they were needed to help lead the world
through an impending cataclysm. WHOA, whoa what Wi boards have
(31:54):
done a lot man for affairs both metaphysical and international,
you know, like right, we talked about it before. Uh.
And this is no ding on Hasbro, which is a
great company. I just I feel like a mass marketed
game by Hasbro sold as a game. Uh may not
(32:17):
be the number one way to to make contact with
the divine, the demonic, or the dead, or maybe Hasbro's
in on it. Bro. Maybe Hasbro's in on it. Maybe
it's an acronym. Maybe it's an acronym. But let me
jump in here. So this is roughly two years after
the thing he's taught. He's talking to a reporter. He
(32:38):
says that, according to the Luigia Board race riots in
Los Angeles, we're going to be a signal to the
group to go public. So once we see that, we're
gonna tell everyone our story, the others will come forward
one by one, depending on public reaction to what Davis says.
That's these are his words. Davis says, it all began
innocently in November nineteen d nine. Quote. We decided to
(33:02):
do some experimentation into things we wanted to see if
there was something actually to it. Esp. Parapsychology, ghost sharot,
cards um. And they said they essentially didn't get anywhere
until they tried Awgia board and he says, someone showed up.
I'm talking spiritually. In the months that followed, Davis says
several spirits talked to the group predicting the Gulf War
(33:23):
and the Iran earthquake. And then in May they were
trying to figure out a way to essentially leave, like
some of them were thinking they may leave the military service,
and they couldn't really figure out a good way to
do it. Um. And then apparently towards the end of May,
in that year of the they were told by whatever
(33:46):
they were contacting or whatever they thought they were contacting,
that they needed to leave the service because it was
not going to help them grow and become what they
were supposed to become. So they were really given a
mission to you help get people through all of the
craziness that was going to happen. And I'll tell you
what they said was going to happen. Davis says. The
(34:07):
changes include numerous earthquakes, volcano eruptions, A major eruption of
Mount Rayner is that we've decided that was there Mount
Rayner in Washington State, the devastation of New York City
by a gas leak, food and race riots in every
major city. They would lead to martial law and economic collapse. Okay,
so that's I mean, that's kind of your garden variety,
(34:32):
end of the world sort of disaster mixtape. Oh but
I did come up with one ready, Holy Announcements sent
by Real Organisms, has Bro, that's holly in there. But
you know, if you're antiwgi, you could call it hells
your Announcements sent by real organisms. There you go, there
(34:53):
you go. Well, well, I'm gonna leave it at this
for now. Besides the fact that David said he was
gonna the group would leave as all of this terrible
stuff was happening. Then they would come back, essentially to
be the new leaders. Once the world is thrown into chaos,
they come back to make things right again. Fascinating stuff.
It could be a situation where six people conspired to
find a way to leave the government and their their
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positions and then have a story that's pretty out there
to where maybe they wouldn't get in trouble because they
could claim that it's a far out story and maybe
they're not in the right of mind. Perhaps, who knows,
that's my that's me putting a spin on it. I
don't know if any of that has anything to do
with reality. Um, but there's also other stuff here. Maybe
(35:36):
they were contacting some kind of thing, some kind of
being that really was there, that really was a part
of whatever that station was, that research station where they
were at. There are allegations all over the place when
it comes to the story about the government being in
contact with beings that are helping them in some way
(35:58):
see the future. Very much in the way that these
people believe this thing that they contacted showed them the future,
really really interesting stuff. There is a book that you
can read on this. There are numerous interviews on Coast
to Coast and in other places where where Davis and
others spoke. I think we should cover it further in
the future, dig a little more into it, because there's
(36:20):
gotta be more meat on these bones. Yeah. Hey, we
might even have some of the some of the folks
from Coast to Coast on the show at some point.
Can you imagine the war stories that they will have
for us. But yeah, this is this is fascinating. So
I want to I want to thank you. I um,
I say it without a lick of irony here, uh
(36:42):
we're humor. Oh buddy, this story is Oh buddy, indeed,
thank you for sending that in those those really great
all right, we'll be back with another message from you.
And we have returned. As we said at the top
(37:02):
of this week's segment, this is the part of the
show that may not be appropriate for all listeners. We
are delving into something that is both terrifying and real,
and one thing that is, in addition to being real
and terrifying, immensely depressed. Actually, you know what, this whole
part is the downer part of the show. Uh. And
(37:24):
it is all thanks to our fellow conspiracy realist Tom,
who called in recently with this folkus. This is Tom.
Hearing reports from North Korea that claimed the country had
zero COVID nineteen deaths made me think back to the
nies when Nikola Kachevku made similar statements about his country
(37:44):
of Romania being free of the age epidemic. I remember
the World Health Organization went into Romania after Kacheku was
overthrown and executed, and at the w h O found
orphanages or hospitals with children who have been infected with
HIV from birth, and that horrible conditions they existed in
where the kids were unused to being held and cared for,
(38:07):
and that they had problems acclimating themselves to human touch.
I was hoping you could follow up on the lives
of the survivors if any exists, or speak to the
dangers of countries sweeping victims under the rug during epidemics
is part of their propaganda. If that seems too dark
or sad, I'd love for you folks to do a
piece on pentagone Project one thousand from back in the
(38:31):
nineteen sixties. Thanks again, this is Tom right, Thanks so much, Tom.
This UH massively appreciate this call because it's something that
I think a lot of people, especially younger people in
the West, are not aware of. Yes, during the time
(38:53):
that Romania was a dictatorship, a communist dictatorship, particularly U,
some crazy, crazy, horrific things happened because of what was
called a natalist policy. Abortion and contraception were forbidden in
the country because the dictator, Nikolai Chashku, believed that unrestricted
(39:18):
population growth would naturally one to one lead to economic growth,
and so back in sixty six he issued something called
Decrease seven seventy banned abortion in all and any cases,
including sexual assaults, unless the mother was over forty years
of age, or already had borne for children or was
(39:41):
currently caring for four children. So predictably, birth rates rise,
they turn up the economic heat later by instituting special
taxes for people who didn't have children and these This
resulted in tons of Earth's with tons of children being
(40:02):
abandoned in orphanages that were also occupied by people with disabilities,
by people with mental illness. HIV comes into play here
when we consider the very low standards of cleanliness and care.
I mean we this is one of those episodes that
(40:23):
I feel has to be an episode because the dictator
and his followers, and his under LANs and his collaborators
were very much participating in a conspiracy that has traceable,
real consequences even in the modern day. So these kids, uh,
you know, we're not receiving things like human contact during
(40:45):
their formative years. Uh, they're not receiving nutrition. They were
often cases of terrible abuse and then unsterilized instruments led
to the transmission of HIV and other diseases, other infections.
About half a million kids survived what were would later
(41:07):
be called Romania's Slaughterhouse of souls. Before we continue, had
you guys heard of this before? Tom? Now? Yeah, this
is uh, it's my first run into it for sure. Um,
there's a Guardian article that you that you posted here
(41:28):
been and I was kind of making my way through it.
It's um, it's really rough. It's it's interesting to see
some of you know, the children who are now a
little older, being able to speak about their experiences. Yeah, agreed.
And of course, you know, the most important people I
think in this story are the victims, right, the survivors.
(41:52):
The dictator was executed, But just I'd like to give
you an example of the kind of things that happened
to these completely innocent children. There there was this culture
of violence used to control the children, because of course
there are many more children than there are caregivers. Uh.
There's one story about a night supervisor and an orphanage
(42:14):
who caused some fifth graders arguing in their dorm room,
and so as punishment he ordered them to hit each other,
uh and forced them to fight. There was a news
story here in the US UH a number a year
a number of years ago about daycare centers doing some
of the same things. The thing when the daycare center
(42:36):
is that horrible as that may be, those children were
able to leave at night. UH. The staff was of
these romanian orphanages was beating everybody and then ordering larger
children to hit smaller children. Uh. The the survivors of
these orphanages, if you'd like to learn more about them,
(42:56):
created an association called feder ray f E d E
r e I I. That is a Romanian epich that
used for orphans that stems from a local term for
a garbage dump. And the the survivors and their allies
(43:18):
when various in geo's are pushing Romanian authorities to admit
to and apologize for this, uh, the victimization of these
estimated five hundred thousand children before the end of the
Cold War. So yes, Tom, there there are survivors, and
we think it is worthwhile and important to make this
(43:43):
a full episode because again it's like it's a story
that I was not aware of, Matt. You know, we
were talking about this little off air I was not
aware of outside of some horror stories I had read,
like fictional horror stories. Horror fan you'll remember, I'm sure
this series of books that came out. They were called
(44:04):
like the Ultimate some things like the Ultimate Werewolf, the
Ultimate Vampire, the Ultimate zombie kind of thing, you know. Uh.
And they had some great stories in these anthologies, and
there's one in the ultimate vampire that takes place like
in Romania as it's crumbling, and it's about these orphanages,
and I don't want to spoil uh the story, but
(44:24):
it was horrific enough that I simply assumed this was
a particularly imaginative and maccabre author. I was incorrect in
this assumption, because I, you know, I went to the
library and found out that, yes, this did happen. It
just didn't get a lot of reporting until I think
of the West segment that ran in the nineties nineties.
(44:49):
These people are you know, a lot of these people
are very much alive and struggling with the lifelong consequences
of this. Tom gave us a bait and switch as well,
which I thought was I thought it was interesting. Tom.
I had to have a little bit of a gallows
humor chuckle with you vicariously, because you guys heard that
(45:10):
at the very end where Tom says, if this is
too dark for if this is too dark for the show,
then I have another idea. Please look into Project one
hundred thousand. Project one hundred thousand is another thing that
I had never I had like not heard of this one.
I had no idea. I thought it might be one
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of those things like the bat bomb, or let's make
let's try to make cats spies, or let's put you know, uh,
submarine gear on a dolphin and just see what he
can get into. Write this is not a Project one
hundred thousand is. No, it's not, I believe. What did
you refer to it as in in the outline bend
food bar? Yes, yeah, we're doing a lot of military
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acronyms today. Yes, yeah, the Project one thousand is is
kind of food bar. It was initiated by Defense Secretary
Robert McNamara in the mid sixties because the Uncle Sam
was in trouble in Vietnam. They didn't have enough manpower
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and have enough boots in the ground. They didn't have
enough people to send out to maybe die. And so
what he did with this was to recruit soldier to
lower the recruiting standards of soldiers, so people who were
not able to satisfy in particular mental standards like cognitive
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standards were now accepted. You were sent off to die,
which is a very dark context in which to consider
Forrest Gump. You know what I mean, exactly what I
was thinking about with Forrest and some of the men
that he was serving with. Huh yeah, and so fictionally
of course. Right, So this had happened in other wars
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and in the US as well, because people who scored
lower in certain percentiles of mental aptitude tests as it
would be called, still got into service in World War Two.
But this eventually led to a like a legal a
hard legal floor. Your your i Q had to be
a D to enlist. And of course there there's a
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multitude of problems with the i Q test anyway, as
it stands then and as it stands now, you can't
really measure something that you yourself cannot define or understand.
We have a very poor understanding of what intelligence is
in general. But yes, it is true. Uh, it is
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unfortunately very true. And these people who were affected by
Project one hundred thousand, they still had to carry a
lot of the same after certain post service burden that
other veterans carry, you know, higher rates of divorce, higher
rates of unemployment. Uh, they're also going to have, you know,
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higher rates or lower rates of income and stuff. It's
just a very it's a very messed up experiment, and
and really it's it can be Experts have described it
as a failed experiment. And it and it was a
little benefit to the people that it was maybe intended
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to help, if you want to say, recruiting them in
the army was intended to help. So I don't think
we didn't notice. Tom, that is an equally that is
an equally troubling thing. And I'm wondering if that that
is an episode as well. But speaking of episodes, this
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