December 27, 2013 • 26 mins
On July 16th, 1945 the first atomic bomb test ushered in a new era of warfare, with weapons capable of killing millions. But how many countries own nukes today, and how did they get them? The answers may surprise you. Tune in to learn more
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Greetings everyone,
welcome to the show. My name is Matt and my
name is Ben, and I've got my rock star right here.
(00:22):
A couple of notes, and this is stuff they don't
want you to know. Yes, and today we are coming
to you with our super producer Noel from the bunker
at How Stuff Works. Hey, did you hear his voice
in the beginnings. Yeah, that's the guy at the end
as well. Sometimes that's right enough to hear him. Uh. Yes. So,
(00:44):
in addition to being the producer and making so many
excellent edits to all of the audio podcast everything you
know what, Noel is also a bass player and he's
kind of awesome. So you should check this out. Blue
Bloods from Atlanta and Brothers from Atlanta. It's really awesome.
And they're both from Athens, Georgia. Excuse me, not Atlanta, Georgia.
(01:06):
One am I thinking you ruined Christmas? Yeah? So, in
addition to recording all of the audio podcasts four House
Stuff Works, Nol is building a bunker here in our
audio studio. Now, when we say bunker, we mean we
have to have some sound insulation here, uh, to keep
(01:29):
the video studio in the audio studio from leaking into
each other. Um, We've gotta work on the roof and stuff.
Yeah it's uh, it's pretty nice in here. Man. It's
a fixture rubber. But I'm liking it. Um. I think
maybe we need some more ammunition. Um, could use some
more canned goods, some lead shielding. Maybe put this, uh
(01:50):
a couple of clicks underground. Yeah, very possible. I don't
think we can build it closes under But why are
we talking about Bunker's great question for any one who
happened not to read the title of the episode, Uh,
this is our show Notes episode on secret nuclear weapons,
secret nuclear weapons programs? Or what did you say before? Alleged? Right? Yes,
(02:16):
we okay, yes, to be absolutely fair, and thank you
for making that point, Matt, we will need to say
allegedly at nauseum throughout this podcast. And why do we
need to do that? Well, we need to do that
because there are still some countries that allegedly finger quote
(02:37):
feel the finger quotes when I say this, allegedly have
That's fine, I'm sorry, it's happening. Deal with it. And
the number one thing that we found when we looked
at secret nukes in our video episode was that, um,
it's more common than people have thought originally. Right, yeah,
(03:00):
well it's it's a sought after thing. It's nuclear power
basically gives you a card to play against any other
state that would want to maybe bully you a little bit.
And when you've got that card to play, you know,
by the way, we have nukes, even if they have nukes,
it's that mutually assured destruction that it really kind of
(03:22):
helps you sit at a diplomatic table more than just
getting pushed around. Yes. In uh theories about international politics,
this strategy is called deterrence, the idea that if you
and I met are two separate antagonistic countries, um, and
we may or may not have some sort of beef
(03:43):
that could result in a war, we will we will
be less likely to engage in any kind of conflict
with each other because we both have the the real
life version of the ultimate nullifier. And that is for
the Fantastic Four fans out there, sorry movies, yeah, hey,
(04:03):
thank you, But point being the idea that having such
a potentially dangerous weapon. UH could dissuade people from invading
or uh engaging economic terrorism, Uh, simply by virtue of
having this nuclear weapon. Uh. It's it's tremendously tempting for
(04:27):
every head of state, from a dictator two a democratically
elected president. And we've been in this position, been for
quite a while now, where all of these there are
many countries that do have nuclear technology and weaponry, and
a lot of them are allied on different sides. You know,
(04:48):
you go back to the Cold War, of course, and
you look at how many times we've been close to
destroying the pretty much humanity life on Earth, at least
for a while. H um, and it makes you, it
makes you think, right now, how close are we to
getting to that point again, to getting to the point
(05:08):
where the doomsday clock is a few minutes I believe
it was at five minutes away last time I checked
it last last week. Yeah, Matt checks the doomsday clock
with an alarming regularity. Yeah, I've gotten I think I've
got some kind of update through my email. Um. All right,
(05:29):
so this this is a great point. We've set the
scene and we know why countries want nuclear weapons. We
also know implicitly why other countries don't want countries to
have nuclear weapons. So, first, the the only um, the
only documented use of nuclear weaponry in warfare is the
(05:52):
United States in Japan and World War Two and Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, and just that alone, um change change the world.
This this tremendous Uh, it's an atrocity. There's no way
to say it, the other way to say it, because
it was collective punishment, you know, in a in this
(06:14):
innocence were killed. And this goes to um the dark
history of the nuclear weapon because at the same time,
with such a horrible, indiscriminate, monstrous thing, uh, there comes
such power. And we know that if you are a
nation that's trying to establish hegemony, you know, some sort
(06:36):
of sovereignty over region, then you don't want other nations
to have nuclear power because again, as going to your
earlier point, they'll be at the table. So we learned
some interesting stuff when we looked at this video episode,
because we found out that quite a few countries got
close to building a weapon and didn't, and quite a
few countries also struck some faustium bargains. Know, they make
(07:00):
some deals with the devil quote unquote in order to
acquire nuclear weaponry UM. For instance, we know that people
with countries with admitted nuclear programs France, Russia, China, the
United States, UM, the UK couple others, and those are
(07:20):
some of the world powers that we hear about the most. Also,
we know now that Pakistan and India and North Korea
have nuclear programs, but those used to be secret. We
also well North Korea's was always kind of an advertising thing.
We also know that UM these the there's a bustling
(07:44):
underground nuclear knowledge black market, right. We know that Libya
and South Africa UH either got close to or even
completed building nuclear weaponry UM before they stepped down. We
of course know that the worst kept secret in the
(08:05):
international community is Israel's nuclear arsenal, which people UM you know,
the israel government. Israeli government officially neither confirms nor denies,
but we do know one guy who leaked it to
the world, a guy named Mordechai Mordechai vanuw Knew who's
He went to prison in nineteen six for leaking information
(08:29):
about their nuclear program and he's still to this day
not allowed to leave. He is allowed to leave the country.
And I think it was in May of this year,
whoever decides put off his ability to leave the country
again another year. And I think that's just what's been
happening now. Every year gets pushed back and push back
and push back. He's got a website you can go
(08:51):
to if you're interested in him. UM, just search for
Mordecai Mordechai van new New and I think we mentioned
we mentioned him in our episode as well. Um. The
next the next step that we have with which I'd
love to do an update on sometime in the future,
is Iran's nuclear program. Is it possible, for instance, that
(09:14):
Iran has already built a bomb? Now I don't think so,
because I think it would be announced. Um, I think,
uh yeah at some point. I mean, think about it.
The United States has Iran surrounded by military bases, and
I guess it is that card that you would be
able to play. You want people to know you have
(09:34):
that card in your hand and you are literally surrounded,
backed into a corner as it were. Uh, then then
I could see the motivation. But uh, the biggest question
that I have to ask you is after we found
out about the secret nukes stuff and shady characters like A. Q.
Cohn Uh, here's the big question. Do you think the
(09:57):
world should have nuclear weapons? I don't know that you
can answer that question, because obviously you shouldn't. I don't
think you should having that kind of power, with the
kind of power hungry people that run the world a
lot of times, not always, but a lot of times. Uh.
It's obviously dangerous. Um, but there's no there's no way
(10:21):
going back now. They exist. And I mean even if
we all decide through the UN or some other organizations
organization to destroy all the nukes, then somebody is going
to keep nukes. You know, somebody will. Yeah, that's true.
I see what you're saying. Sorry, I know that's a
pessimistic way to look at it, but I think it's
(10:41):
a realistic way to look at it. The only way
that people wouldn't keep nukes is if there were some
overarching authority that does not exist at this time that
would prevent it from happening. The U N has no
ability to prevent that. Um. You know, the the UN
(11:04):
is a good idea, but it doesn't It doesn't do
as much as one would imagine. Right, Somebody just got
really mad at you for saying UN is a good idea.
In theory, I agree completely. I completely agree in theory.
In theory, direct democracy and representative democracy are both good ideas,
(11:25):
and so as communism. You know what, in theory, I
bet a strawberry pudding pop is a good idea, but
I'm pretty sure to be gross. I'm just saying that
there's a difference between theory and practice. So in theory,
while UM the u N is a different episode, and
I'd love to do that. But the point being is
that through these numerous agencies, the UN does not have
(11:47):
the ability to enforce um as as much as people
might wish. With nuclear weaponry, on both sides of the fence,
you know, on both the sides of people who think
that they should have UM less oversight on their nuclear programs.
RAN comes up again there, UM to people who think
(12:08):
that there should be more oversight across the board. UM.
We have to we have to point out though, that
the stuff we we learned about nuclear weaponry in this
podcast UM and in our video episode told us some
very interesting stuff. There may be nuclear weapon stockpiles in
(12:34):
unidentified areas of the world, in foreign soil. So imagine,
you know, some tiny island in the Indian ocean and
the South Pacific open up. If there's ever a massive war,
it just starts flinging missiles right like the rockets, like
(12:54):
the thing that's pretty much a nuclear test. Excuse me.
Alleged nuclear tests, the Veil and sit in which we
cover in another video UM, and the Vela incident. I
don't know, Matt, could you describe it. It was an
alleged test. It wasn't proven. At least nobody would say
that it was definitely a nuclear test that happened. It
(13:16):
happened in the middle of the ocean. There's a huge
variance of where it could have been, something like three
three thousand radius three is that true? If grousing kilometer
radius kilometer radius, Yeah, that's a huge area. But it
was a satellite that picked up the double flash, UM
and this was a satellite that had, you know, detected
(13:38):
lots of other tests, and it was the first time
that I guess it was controversial that it picked up
a flash. But they don't. They didn't think, well, maybe
it's not a flash. How did we have how do
we say, were careful as we said this in the
episode UM or the vlog we did about it, we said, uh, Okay,
according to the official story, they this is not a
(14:01):
nuclear test, uh, which would mean that this is the
first and the only time that any of the Vala
satellites because they are multiple ones, have ever been wrong
about this and the other proposed alternatives that could have
given false positives for nuclear tests meteorite hitting the satellite,
(14:21):
which is you have better odds of winning the lottery. Yeah,
it is literally billions and billions to one. But who
knows again, posible possible? Well, yeah, they the documents that
I was reading, the highly redacted documents that we actually
show in the video that I was reading through seem
to suggest that they they were really looking at South
(14:44):
Africa and their program at the time and possibly working
with Israel for a joint test. But again, there's so
much redacted material in there that probably has more of
the definitive answer to what they think. Um, but what
we're not going to know, Well, I think now it's
(15:05):
it's one of those open secrets. As time passes, you'll
you'll see a lot of credible journalism that talks about
Israel are not Israel, but South Africa's program wherein they
did successfully build weapons, and people do think that they
were the primary tester. Um. You hear people bring up
(15:29):
the bring up Israel, bring up other partner countries that
might be evolved, you know, like maybe France or um,
i mean not India, but things like that. And this
brings us to one of my favorite things that we
didn't really get to talk about in the video, which
is secret nuclear strategies. UM. The thing is that a
(15:52):
lot of countries that have nuclear weapons that that are known,
they they vary in their policy toward these weapons. France
has this h if we're attacked, everybody is a target policy.
So if we're attacked with a nuclear weapon, everybody, everybody
(16:15):
is a potential target. Everybody gets a new let's call
it the Oprah style. That's exactly what it is. And
then UM, there are rumors that Israel has the Sampson option,
which is UM, which is a similar retaliatory plan on all.
(16:36):
All of the countries that have nuclear weapons, thank goodness,
have a stated uh no first strike policy. UM. Nobody
wants to be the person who drops one of those first,
but everybody wants to be able to respond in kind. UM.
The United States has a policy similar to that. UM.
One of my favorites Um, is the dead hand? Do
(17:00):
you remember that one? That sounds really familiar. You're gonna
have to enlighten me. So it's the it's the Russian policy.
You remember this one that where wherein this came from
the Cold War, And the alleged strategy is this that
there was a system in place in Soviet Russia where
in an attack, a nuclear attack that wiped out Moscow,
(17:22):
wiped out all of the power centers, right, Uh, would
trigger an automatic launch of all nuclear weaponry. So it's
like a dead man. Yeah, you've seen that before, right,
everybody listening, where you're holding the control mechanism in your
(17:42):
hand and if you get shot, when your hand releases
it, it it goes off. Yes, And the idea of that
is just so fatalistic and frightening. It really is frightening. Um,
he was kind of smart. I don't know, and I
know it's messed up, but well, yeah, I mean they're
not you. You don't make these kind of policies worried about,
(18:03):
you know, making friends, because country states don't have friends,
they have interests, right, And Um, it's definitely a chest
out policy like it. Yes, and and uh, you know
North Korea has been accused of having a nuclear policy
that is entirely based on gaining aid. You know, will
(18:25):
detonate this bomb, help us, will let's have some negotiations
and we need more food or aid of some sort,
and then will pretend to negotiate away our nuclear capability.
It's another thing, very very few countries will give away
(18:47):
their nuclear ability um or concede that ability once they
gain it. South Africa being a notable exception. Um, I
guess at this point, I've got I gotta ask you,
do you think it's possible that there could be a
country now that has nuclear weapons that no one knows about. Ah,
that's tough because you can see now if there's a well,
(19:11):
it is possible if it was if they were just
brought in, like perhaps they didn't enrich the uranium on
their own at a facility inside whatever country we're talking about. Um,
if they just had them smuggled in, then sure. But
I think if you are enriching uranium in a country somewhere,
somebody is going to do it. Somebody knows about it.
(19:33):
With satellite technology, now, I mean you need a fairly
big facility to do that. Okay, that makes sense. So
I guess what you're saying then, is if there was
a I don't know, US or French owned nuclear arsenal
based in a different country, like in Sri Lanka or
Kazakhstan or something like that, then there could be nuclear
(19:56):
power there that we are not aware of. But for
the mest stickley produced stuff, people will find out about it,
I think definitely. Okay, I gotta ask you this too.
This is just pure speculation at the end, all right,
just it's just your your total opinion. All right, let's
do it. Do you think Iran is once a nuclear bomb?
(20:18):
Do you think they'll make it? I would say it
again just from what we've been discussing, the how they're
cornered where they are, Um, I think it's probably it's
so weird they're in such a strange place because they
kind of need one, uh, they kind of need one
(20:39):
for protection. But then diplomatically, it's such a bad move
right now, it seems like it would be the secret route.
If if I was if I was in Iran, I
would go the secret route. I would try and use
my allies to get weapons without doing it on my own. Well,
you know, the newest president of Iran is supposedly, uh,
(21:03):
striking a more conciliatory tone with Washington. But you don't,
don't do you think that Iran would attack different countries,
because usually what's being drummed up here is the idea
that Iran would um attack Israel primarily right, also possibly um,
(21:27):
Saudi Arabia, right, becausiness old Sunni Shias men. There's so much,
so much of that to me as smoking mirrors, um
from the people that want that land, want to control
that area, and you know don't want they are a threat, right,
I mean the control the strait of hormones. Yeah, okay,
(21:50):
and that sounds like a story for another day. Of course,
we are talking about one of the biggest choke points
for the petroleum trade in the world. Um. Quick myth
busting on that one. Although something a lot of people
don't know that you and I only learned in the
course of the show. Uh. The United States does not
get the majority of its oil from the Middle East.
(22:12):
Don't believe the hype of the United States. Uh, products
of that sort come from Canada. Canada is our largest
foreign supplier of petroleum or natural as a petroleum and
natural gas or something like that. Fossil fuels. Let's just
make an umbrella term um and we're going to head out.
(22:33):
We would like to hear what you think about nuclear weapons.
Is it possible that all of the world's nuclear weapons
would be dismantled? Should they be? We think there's no
way it's gonna happen. Yeah, if you have a good
idea for that, please let us know, send it to
the u n Send that idea wherever you can, because
kind of maybe we need that to happen. There might
(22:55):
be a big step for humanity. Now, no one's gonna listen. Next.
Uh my prediction for next secret nukes base the Moon?
Oh yeah, yeah, dude, come on, that's gonna be so
much fun. The nuclear battles that occur on the surface
of the Moon fun. Huh oh yeah, it's gonna be
lots of fun. Moons a small place, man, I know
(23:17):
it would be a it would be a one punch battle.
I kind of want to see what happens with a
nuke on the surface of the Moon, just from a
gravity standpoint, and I'm interested. That's some apocalyptic stuff, my friend.
I've been playing way too much fall Out lately. I mean,
the the seas, the rivers, the tides. Oh man, I
(23:38):
hope that doesn't happen, but we live in a time
where things like that could completely happen. So let's make
the most of the time we have. Uh, Matt, is
this episode coming out before the end of the year, Yes, sir,
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From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Greetings everyone,
welcome to the show. My name is Matt and my
name is Ben, and I've got my rock star right here.
(00:22):
A couple of notes, and this is stuff they don't
want you to know. Yes, and today we are coming
to you with our super producer Noel from the bunker
at How Stuff Works. Hey, did you hear his voice
in the beginnings. Yeah, that's the guy at the end
as well. Sometimes that's right enough to hear him. Uh. Yes. So,
(00:44):
in addition to being the producer and making so many
excellent edits to all of the audio podcast everything you
know what, Noel is also a bass player and he's
kind of awesome. So you should check this out. Blue
Bloods from Atlanta and Brothers from Atlanta. It's really awesome.
And they're both from Athens, Georgia. Excuse me, not Atlanta, Georgia.
(01:06):
One am I thinking you ruined Christmas? Yeah? So, in
addition to recording all of the audio podcasts four House
Stuff Works, Nol is building a bunker here in our
audio studio. Now, when we say bunker, we mean we
have to have some sound insulation here, uh, to keep
(01:29):
the video studio in the audio studio from leaking into
each other. Um, We've gotta work on the roof and stuff.
Yeah it's uh, it's pretty nice in here. Man. It's
a fixture rubber. But I'm liking it. Um. I think
maybe we need some more ammunition. Um, could use some
more canned goods, some lead shielding. Maybe put this, uh
(01:50):
a couple of clicks underground. Yeah, very possible. I don't
think we can build it closes under But why are
we talking about Bunker's great question for any one who
happened not to read the title of the episode, Uh,
this is our show Notes episode on secret nuclear weapons,
secret nuclear weapons programs? Or what did you say before? Alleged? Right? Yes,
(02:16):
we okay, yes, to be absolutely fair, and thank you
for making that point, Matt, we will need to say
allegedly at nauseum throughout this podcast. And why do we
need to do that? Well, we need to do that
because there are still some countries that allegedly finger quote
(02:37):
feel the finger quotes when I say this, allegedly have
That's fine, I'm sorry, it's happening. Deal with it. And
the number one thing that we found when we looked
at secret nukes in our video episode was that, um,
it's more common than people have thought originally. Right, yeah,
(03:00):
well it's it's a sought after thing. It's nuclear power
basically gives you a card to play against any other
state that would want to maybe bully you a little bit.
And when you've got that card to play, you know,
by the way, we have nukes, even if they have nukes,
it's that mutually assured destruction that it really kind of
(03:22):
helps you sit at a diplomatic table more than just
getting pushed around. Yes. In uh theories about international politics,
this strategy is called deterrence, the idea that if you
and I met are two separate antagonistic countries, um, and
we may or may not have some sort of beef
(03:43):
that could result in a war, we will we will
be less likely to engage in any kind of conflict
with each other because we both have the the real
life version of the ultimate nullifier. And that is for
the Fantastic Four fans out there, sorry movies, yeah, hey,
(04:03):
thank you, But point being the idea that having such
a potentially dangerous weapon. UH could dissuade people from invading
or uh engaging economic terrorism, Uh, simply by virtue of
having this nuclear weapon. Uh. It's it's tremendously tempting for
(04:27):
every head of state, from a dictator two a democratically
elected president. And we've been in this position, been for
quite a while now, where all of these there are
many countries that do have nuclear technology and weaponry, and
a lot of them are allied on different sides. You know,
(04:48):
you go back to the Cold War, of course, and
you look at how many times we've been close to
destroying the pretty much humanity life on Earth, at least
for a while. H um, and it makes you, it
makes you think, right now, how close are we to
getting to that point again, to getting to the point
(05:08):
where the doomsday clock is a few minutes I believe
it was at five minutes away last time I checked
it last last week. Yeah, Matt checks the doomsday clock
with an alarming regularity. Yeah, I've gotten I think I've
got some kind of update through my email. Um. All right,
(05:29):
so this this is a great point. We've set the
scene and we know why countries want nuclear weapons. We
also know implicitly why other countries don't want countries to
have nuclear weapons. So, first, the the only um, the
only documented use of nuclear weaponry in warfare is the
(05:52):
United States in Japan and World War Two and Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, and just that alone, um change change the world.
This this tremendous Uh, it's an atrocity. There's no way
to say it, the other way to say it, because
it was collective punishment, you know, in a in this
(06:14):
innocence were killed. And this goes to um the dark
history of the nuclear weapon because at the same time,
with such a horrible, indiscriminate, monstrous thing, uh, there comes
such power. And we know that if you are a
nation that's trying to establish hegemony, you know, some sort
(06:36):
of sovereignty over region, then you don't want other nations
to have nuclear power because again, as going to your
earlier point, they'll be at the table. So we learned
some interesting stuff when we looked at this video episode,
because we found out that quite a few countries got
close to building a weapon and didn't, and quite a
few countries also struck some faustium bargains. Know, they make
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some deals with the devil quote unquote in order to
acquire nuclear weaponry UM. For instance, we know that people
with countries with admitted nuclear programs France, Russia, China, the
United States, UM, the UK couple others, and those are
(07:20):
some of the world powers that we hear about the most. Also,
we know now that Pakistan and India and North Korea
have nuclear programs, but those used to be secret. We
also well North Korea's was always kind of an advertising thing.
We also know that UM these the there's a bustling
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underground nuclear knowledge black market, right. We know that Libya
and South Africa UH either got close to or even
completed building nuclear weaponry UM before they stepped down. We
of course know that the worst kept secret in the
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international community is Israel's nuclear arsenal, which people UM you know,
the israel government. Israeli government officially neither confirms nor denies,
but we do know one guy who leaked it to
the world, a guy named Mordechai Mordechai vanuw Knew who's
He went to prison in nineteen six for leaking information
(08:29):
about their nuclear program and he's still to this day
not allowed to leave. He is allowed to leave the country.
And I think it was in May of this year,
whoever decides put off his ability to leave the country
again another year. And I think that's just what's been
happening now. Every year gets pushed back and push back
and push back. He's got a website you can go
(08:51):
to if you're interested in him. UM, just search for
Mordecai Mordechai van new New and I think we mentioned
we mentioned him in our episode as well. Um. The
next the next step that we have with which I'd
love to do an update on sometime in the future,
is Iran's nuclear program. Is it possible, for instance, that
(09:14):
Iran has already built a bomb? Now I don't think so,
because I think it would be announced. Um, I think,
uh yeah at some point. I mean, think about it.
The United States has Iran surrounded by military bases, and
I guess it is that card that you would be
able to play. You want people to know you have
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that card in your hand and you are literally surrounded,
backed into a corner as it were. Uh, then then
I could see the motivation. But uh, the biggest question
that I have to ask you is after we found
out about the secret nukes stuff and shady characters like A. Q.
Cohn Uh, here's the big question. Do you think the
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world should have nuclear weapons? I don't know that you
can answer that question, because obviously you shouldn't. I don't
think you should having that kind of power, with the
kind of power hungry people that run the world a
lot of times, not always, but a lot of times. Uh.
It's obviously dangerous. Um, but there's no there's no way
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going back now. They exist. And I mean even if
we all decide through the UN or some other organizations
organization to destroy all the nukes, then somebody is going
to keep nukes. You know, somebody will. Yeah, that's true.
I see what you're saying. Sorry, I know that's a
pessimistic way to look at it, but I think it's
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a realistic way to look at it. The only way
that people wouldn't keep nukes is if there were some
overarching authority that does not exist at this time that
would prevent it from happening. The U N has no
ability to prevent that. Um. You know, the the UN
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is a good idea, but it doesn't It doesn't do
as much as one would imagine. Right, Somebody just got
really mad at you for saying UN is a good idea.
In theory, I agree completely. I completely agree in theory.
In theory, direct democracy and representative democracy are both good ideas,
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and so as communism. You know what, in theory, I
bet a strawberry pudding pop is a good idea, but
I'm pretty sure to be gross. I'm just saying that
there's a difference between theory and practice. So in theory,
while UM the u N is a different episode, and
I'd love to do that. But the point being is
that through these numerous agencies, the UN does not have
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the ability to enforce um as as much as people
might wish. With nuclear weaponry, on both sides of the fence,
you know, on both the sides of people who think
that they should have UM less oversight on their nuclear programs.
RAN comes up again there, UM to people who think
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that there should be more oversight across the board. UM.
We have to we have to point out though, that
the stuff we we learned about nuclear weaponry in this
podcast UM and in our video episode told us some
very interesting stuff. There may be nuclear weapon stockpiles in
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unidentified areas of the world, in foreign soil. So imagine,
you know, some tiny island in the Indian ocean and
the South Pacific open up. If there's ever a massive war,
it just starts flinging missiles right like the rockets, like
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the thing that's pretty much a nuclear test. Excuse me.
Alleged nuclear tests, the Veil and sit in which we
cover in another video UM, and the Vela incident. I
don't know, Matt, could you describe it. It was an
alleged test. It wasn't proven. At least nobody would say
that it was definitely a nuclear test that happened. It
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happened in the middle of the ocean. There's a huge
variance of where it could have been, something like three
three thousand radius three is that true? If grousing kilometer
radius kilometer radius, Yeah, that's a huge area. But it
was a satellite that picked up the double flash, UM
and this was a satellite that had, you know, detected
(13:38):
lots of other tests, and it was the first time
that I guess it was controversial that it picked up
a flash. But they don't. They didn't think, well, maybe
it's not a flash. How did we have how do
we say, were careful as we said this in the
episode UM or the vlog we did about it, we said, uh, Okay,
according to the official story, they this is not a
(14:01):
nuclear test, uh, which would mean that this is the
first and the only time that any of the Vala
satellites because they are multiple ones, have ever been wrong
about this and the other proposed alternatives that could have
given false positives for nuclear tests meteorite hitting the satellite,
(14:21):
which is you have better odds of winning the lottery. Yeah,
it is literally billions and billions to one. But who
knows again, posible possible? Well, yeah, they the documents that
I was reading, the highly redacted documents that we actually
show in the video that I was reading through seem
to suggest that they they were really looking at South
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Africa and their program at the time and possibly working
with Israel for a joint test. But again, there's so
much redacted material in there that probably has more of
the definitive answer to what they think. Um, but what
we're not going to know, Well, I think now it's
(15:05):
it's one of those open secrets. As time passes, you'll
you'll see a lot of credible journalism that talks about
Israel are not Israel, but South Africa's program wherein they
did successfully build weapons, and people do think that they
were the primary tester. Um. You hear people bring up
(15:29):
the bring up Israel, bring up other partner countries that
might be evolved, you know, like maybe France or um,
i mean not India, but things like that. And this
brings us to one of my favorite things that we
didn't really get to talk about in the video, which
is secret nuclear strategies. UM. The thing is that a
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lot of countries that have nuclear weapons that that are known,
they they vary in their policy toward these weapons. France
has this h if we're attacked, everybody is a target policy.
So if we're attacked with a nuclear weapon, everybody, everybody
(16:15):
is a potential target. Everybody gets a new let's call
it the Oprah style. That's exactly what it is. And
then UM, there are rumors that Israel has the Sampson option,
which is UM, which is a similar retaliatory plan on all.
(16:36):
All of the countries that have nuclear weapons, thank goodness,
have a stated uh no first strike policy. UM. Nobody
wants to be the person who drops one of those first,
but everybody wants to be able to respond in kind. UM.
The United States has a policy similar to that. UM.
One of my favorites Um, is the dead hand? Do
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you remember that one? That sounds really familiar. You're gonna
have to enlighten me. So it's the it's the Russian policy.
You remember this one that where wherein this came from
the Cold War, And the alleged strategy is this that
there was a system in place in Soviet Russia where
in an attack, a nuclear attack that wiped out Moscow,
(17:22):
wiped out all of the power centers, right, Uh, would
trigger an automatic launch of all nuclear weaponry. So it's
like a dead man. Yeah, you've seen that before, right,
everybody listening, where you're holding the control mechanism in your
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hand and if you get shot, when your hand releases
it, it it goes off. Yes, And the idea of that
is just so fatalistic and frightening. It really is frightening. Um,
he was kind of smart. I don't know, and I
know it's messed up, but well, yeah, I mean they're
not you. You don't make these kind of policies worried about,
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you know, making friends, because country states don't have friends,
they have interests, right, And Um, it's definitely a chest
out policy like it. Yes, and and uh, you know
North Korea has been accused of having a nuclear policy
that is entirely based on gaining aid. You know, will
(18:25):
detonate this bomb, help us, will let's have some negotiations
and we need more food or aid of some sort,
and then will pretend to negotiate away our nuclear capability.
It's another thing, very very few countries will give away
(18:47):
their nuclear ability um or concede that ability once they
gain it. South Africa being a notable exception. Um, I
guess at this point, I've got I gotta ask you,
do you think it's possible that there could be a
country now that has nuclear weapons that no one knows about. Ah,
that's tough because you can see now if there's a well,
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it is possible if it was if they were just
brought in, like perhaps they didn't enrich the uranium on
their own at a facility inside whatever country we're talking about. Um,
if they just had them smuggled in, then sure. But
I think if you are enriching uranium in a country somewhere,
somebody is going to do it. Somebody knows about it.
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With satellite technology, now, I mean you need a fairly
big facility to do that. Okay, that makes sense. So
I guess what you're saying then, is if there was
a I don't know, US or French owned nuclear arsenal
based in a different country, like in Sri Lanka or
Kazakhstan or something like that, then there could be nuclear
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power there that we are not aware of. But for
the mest stickley produced stuff, people will find out about it,
I think definitely. Okay, I gotta ask you this too.
This is just pure speculation at the end, all right,
just it's just your your total opinion. All right, let's
do it. Do you think Iran is once a nuclear bomb?
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Do you think they'll make it? I would say it
again just from what we've been discussing, the how they're
cornered where they are, Um, I think it's probably it's
so weird they're in such a strange place because they
kind of need one, uh, they kind of need one
(20:39):
for protection. But then diplomatically, it's such a bad move
right now, it seems like it would be the secret route.
If if I was if I was in Iran, I
would go the secret route. I would try and use
my allies to get weapons without doing it on my own. Well,
you know, the newest president of Iran is supposedly, uh,
(21:03):
striking a more conciliatory tone with Washington. But you don't,
don't do you think that Iran would attack different countries,
because usually what's being drummed up here is the idea
that Iran would um attack Israel primarily right, also possibly um,
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Saudi Arabia, right, becausiness old Sunni Shias men. There's so much,
so much of that to me as smoking mirrors, um
from the people that want that land, want to control
that area, and you know don't want they are a threat, right,
I mean the control the strait of hormones. Yeah, okay,
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and that sounds like a story for another day. Of course,
we are talking about one of the biggest choke points
for the petroleum trade in the world. Um. Quick myth
busting on that one. Although something a lot of people
don't know that you and I only learned in the
course of the show. Uh. The United States does not
get the majority of its oil from the Middle East.
(22:12):
Don't believe the hype of the United States. Uh, products
of that sort come from Canada. Canada is our largest
foreign supplier of petroleum or natural as a petroleum and
natural gas or something like that. Fossil fuels. Let's just
make an umbrella term um and we're going to head out.
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We would like to hear what you think about nuclear weapons.
Is it possible that all of the world's nuclear weapons
would be dismantled? Should they be? We think there's no
way it's gonna happen. Yeah, if you have a good
idea for that, please let us know, send it to
the u n Send that idea wherever you can, because
kind of maybe we need that to happen. There might
(22:55):
be a big step for humanity. Now, no one's gonna listen. Next.
Uh my prediction for next secret nukes base the Moon?
Oh yeah, yeah, dude, come on, that's gonna be so
much fun. The nuclear battles that occur on the surface
of the Moon fun. Huh oh yeah, it's gonna be
lots of fun. Moons a small place, man, I know
(23:17):
it would be a it would be a one punch battle.
I kind of want to see what happens with a
nuke on the surface of the Moon, just from a
gravity standpoint, and I'm interested. That's some apocalyptic stuff, my friend.
I've been playing way too much fall Out lately. I mean,
the the seas, the rivers, the tides. Oh man, I
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hope that doesn't happen, but we live in a time
where things like that could completely happen. So let's make
the most of the time we have. Uh, Matt, is
this episode coming out before the end of the year, Yes, sir,
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