March 13, 2020 • 63 mins
We all know weather can affect a person's mood, but just how far does it go? Could the activity of the sun be driving widespread human conflicts throughout history? That's the theory Alexander Tchijevsky stumbled across when he found wars across the planet seem to coincide with solar cycles — meaning we may be little more than slaves to the sun.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Brady. Hello, welcome back to the show.
(00:26):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They call
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Paul, Mission control deck, and most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know here alive for us, at least
in a beautiful, beautiful, rainy afternoon here in our fair
metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia. It's dreary, it's gray, it's rainy.
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Flip on the Shirley Manson if you're only happy when
it rains. This is like the setting for a murder mystery,
although from where we set right now, we wouldn't know,
because we're in case and box made of sort of
plywood and foam that's inside of a concrete room that's
covered in wood paneling and also acoustic foam. But and
then we're in a sort of a dark cave. Outside
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of that, we can say I've been in the cave
all day. I had no idea it was raining today, guys,
it's also in uh this, this entire apparatus is inside
a giant concrete building itself. Yeah, it takes us. I
guess it takes us about three minutes to figure out
what the weather is, just to get out and go
to where the outside windows are. Do you think it
means we're being shielded against radiation though to a degree? Yeah,
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Well that's that's a net positive, I would say, other
than the radiation and all our electronics. But that's a
that's a very good question, especially for today's episode. Now,
you know, people, the weather is a very personal thing
for a lot of people, but it's a safe thing
you can talk about with almost anyone. And in these
our interesting times, weather has become even more of a
(01:58):
extraordinary topic because the times and the climbs are changing. Right,
you don't need a weatherman to know which way the
wind blows, It's true, and you know what past a
certain past about two weeks. Those meteorologists are almost like alchemists,
you know, because so much stuff can happen. It's not
their fault. I wanted to be a weather man for
a long time, but those models are becoming so sophisticated.
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It's pretty cool. Which which models the ones that they're
using AI to, Yes, I mean it's Watson is all
all up in the weather. Yeah, But can they gesture
convincingly at a green screen map, Matt, I ask you.
I'm just saying the models themselves are better. So like
the two week thing is like still there, but you
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could just watch it develop now at a better resolution.
Maybe not for that two week limit might not be uh,
might be a thing of the past sooner rather than later.
But you know, for a lot of people here in Atlanta,
for Peak behind the curtain, Uh, the rain is just
played out now. People are tired of the being. They've
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done all their rainy day stuff. They want some sunshine,
right I am. Of course ancient nemesis is the sun,
and so I love it. Whenever that guy's not directly
at me, you know what I mean, I understand, And
it's like I think a lot of people can agree,
but a lot of people love sunshine. So to get
our minds off the weather it is going to rain
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all week here, we're gonna explore a seemingly benign concept sunshine, sunlight,
sunny days. We've been inspired by a lovely email from
a fellow conspiracy realist, Reba. It says, Hey, Chips, forgive
me if you've already covered it, as I've only started
listening to your podcast and reviewing your past subjects very recently.
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But have you investigated the relationship between solar activity and
its effect on mass excitability and human health? It's a
dang interesting subject. I'm currently reading solar History, The Connection
of solar activity, war, peace, and the Human Mind in
the second Millennium by Sasha Dobbler, which is a bit
poorly written, awkwardly academic and roughly edited, but full of
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interesting information and statistical significance. Ouch. Well yeah, if you haven't,
well you consider doing the research and making an episode.
In any case, keep up the great work. Hugs and
high fives, Rebu. It does sound like the book contained
enough of a spark of inspiration that at least got
Reba started, so you got to give a credit for that,
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even if it's construction left something to be desired. And
we left book recommendations here on the show, So thank
you very much Reba for both listening, checking out our
show and all that, and sending us a cool recommendation.
And here are the facts. First, what is solar activity?
The Sun is this enormous, beautiful, dangerous, deadly thing. And
regardless of what we do with our time on Earth,
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we the living all know that if things continue on
their present course, the Sun will eventually consume this little
rock we call home. Yeah, as uh as this article
on neuro research projects dot com says, the Sun giveth,
the Sun taketh away, it's too true, assuming we might
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somehow avoid all the other terrible things that very well
could happen between now and the end of the rock. Uh.
You know that stuff like gamma ray bursts. That's stuff
like a rogue object in space just smacking the tar
out of us. No matter what happens, in about seven
and a half billion years or so, we're ballparking here.
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The Sun will transform into a red giant. It will
expand uh. And it's just its size alone will be uh,
will will will engulf the orbit of Earth. Won't it
make Earth unlivable long before it actually engulfs that? Though, yes,
no worries. Humans will be long gone by then, will
either be extinct or whatever evolves from us will be
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out there deep in the ink exploring the stars. This
is like watching a long but really good movie and
already knowing who the killer is at the end, and
you know, can we even call this a killer because
with with this point about human beings being long gone,
when the sun finally eats our planet, how love crafty
and uh, it feels like maybe the Sun is relegated
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to one of those villains who shows up in a
post credit stinger. M I can see that, but it's
also the main character. Because the Sun, the star around
which we orbit, is the reason why life exists on
this planet, or it's one of the primary reasons it exists.
So it is like it's like that movie Mother, Yeah,
but we're the babies. Whoa, you're talking about the infamous Baby.
(06:40):
It's not like that where it's like it's it's similar
to that Um, what was that Robert de Niro film
from years back where he's an investigator, Uh, Angel Heart,
Angel Hart. Yeah, and he finds out like I'm the
person that's chasing all along. Wait no, he's the devil
in Angel Heart. Oh no, wait, the who's the nick
ro because right right there it is. And Lisa Bonet
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has a quite steamy love making scene which she has
drenched in chicken blood. I gotta say I didn't like
Roberts and Euros devil and he's kind of really isn't
his name like Louis Louis Cipher? Yeah, I think it's
Louis Cipher and his whole infernal nature is shown in
his weird finger naimes weird creepy fingernails like he's got. Yeah,
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it's an interesting movie that Alan Parker, who directed a
pink Floyd the Wall, Um, We're worth your time, but yes,
does not particularly Ah well, yeah, I I love this
kind of stuff too. Give me a good, A good
modern Faustian devil tale shout out to uh, the devil's
advocate that one. There we go. So he's saying, the
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sun is almost simultaneously God and the devil in one
in a weird way, right, And a lot of early
religions agree with us because it's like our biggest proponent
and sorry, it's giving us our biggest out of boy
and saying, hey, you guys down there on Earth, good job,
I'm making this happen for you. But you know I
also might be your ultimate demise. The Sun is our
abusive parent, is one other way to sum it up.
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So you know, for better or worse, we're along for
just a little bit. We're along for the ride, and
there's something beautiful about that. Very David Attenborough, Very Planet
Earth documentary. For the vast majority of life on Earth,
the Sun is an ubiquitous, crucial presence, at least for
all the life that's listening to this right now. Well,
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we can assume, I think possibly we can assume you're
right until Okay, we might be big with the deep
se event crowd. I don't know, Okay, I was just
thinking more along the lines of well, no, even then,
if it was a machine, there's likely a solar solar
power component. Once the machines are listening to this. Sure, sure,
unless we're far lef along in the future that our
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demographic has somehow become nuclear powered synthetic machine consciousness, in
which case, thanks for tune it in. Yeah, it's tell
us what happens in the future. Right now, we have
the Sun. It's it's the big uh, It's the big
engine powering life on Earth. It's a gigantic ball made
up at Thermo nuclear explosions. It's only ninety three million
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miles away from us, and it is responsible for the
continuation of life as we know it, full stop. And
you know, we we think of it as a as
a very cohesive thing. Oh look, there's the sun, like
it's got this inherent stability to it. But that's not
quite the case at all. If you've got a really
close look at it, it would look like you know,
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the depths of Hell basically with royal ng explosions and inferno,
just constantly shifting like a sea of fire. And if
you want to take a close look at it, I
would recommend, as I generally do when we do an
episode that involves the sun in anyway, is head over
to space weather dot com. It's one of my favorite websites.
(09:56):
You can go there and actually see the it is
videos from all of the varying solar satellites that exist
out there, where you can actually watch the sun and
royal around like hell fire, or just like look at
it directly, like right into it with your eyes. Now,
don't do that. And I'm kidding, Um. You hit me
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to that site years and years ago, Matt, and I
remain grateful. I was actually when I was taking into
some of this, I had that just playing because you know,
you can just pull it up and yeah, it's there's
something peaceful about all that chaos so far away. Oh yeah,
you you will begin to get obsessed with coronal holes
and mass ejections and all kinds of fun things if
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you start going on that website. The Sun is what
we call a magnetic variable star. It fluctuates a weird
time scales, ranging from as short as a fraction of
a second to billions and billions of years. It's full
and short of wait for it, activity. So what is
solar activity that that that's your question. To answer your question,
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but we have to figure out that part first. Yeah,
it's like an umbrella term, really, isn't it. That kind
of refers to everything from flares solar flares we've talked about,
to those coronal mass ejections you were talking about Matt too,
high speed solar winds, and solar energetic particles. UM. Solar
activity really is the sum of all variable and short
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lived disturbances on the Sun. So sun spots, for example,
and prominences count um as a solar activity as well.
Prominences are weird. Well, yeah, I kicked that to us.
So like a sun spot, if you're if you're looking
at it, looks like a spot on the Sun where
there's kind of a hole. Essentially, it looks like there's
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a hole in the Sun's surface there. And then uh,
and it's really interesting because when there's a whole sun's spot,
a lot of times you're gonna have higher frequencies of
solar wind and basically particles coming out from closer to
the middle and center of the Sun. But then you
got these things prominences, and it looks like flame whip,
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maybe giant flame whip, it's a good way to describe it.
Very scientific. Um. Yeah, and and sometimes those whips when
like you'll see it occur where a prominence will kind
of happen. And then some of that stuff that uh,
the solar the solar activity stuff, it actually shoots out
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sun stuff. Sun stuff just shoots out and it snatches
gand off off the ledge and flings him down into
the pit of ultimate despair, sometimes the whole time making
a very deep cthulhu as a toth esque. That's what
the sun sounds like. Yeah, almost always. It's so weird.
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We don't expect it. But that stuff is really dangerous. Uh,
we'll talk about it more later. Well, let's we've talked
about danger. Let's ask ourselves how does the sun affect you?
You might be someone saying, look, guys have been your
n essay intern for years now, they're not letting me
out of the bunker. I see the sun on television.
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What does it mean to me? The answer might seem obvious,
but it bears thinking about. Let's look at the pros
of sunlight acts well as the cons. Huh, it's it's
not just skin cancer. To spoil it just a bit
here as a as a somewhat anti sun person. Yeah, okay, Well,
well let's start with your positivity. The sun can in
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fact affect you in a way that would make you
feel more positive. Mm hmmm. So why so many songs
about sunshine or about how it puts you in a
good mood. There's science behind it. Yeah, that science actually
proved that sunlight can put people in a better state
of mind. When you encounter sunlight, your brain releases seratonin.
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Does that feel good chemicals. It's part of why hanging
around outdoors um can boost your mood, even your creativity,
and and lower your stress without sunlight when we really
do we really need sunlight to a degree. Uh, some
people can experience type of depression called seasonal effective disorder
and not laughing at the distorterer. I just love that
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the acronym is sad. That people get sad when there's
no sunshine. And we have talked about that before, about
how that giant ball of of nuclear fire can affect
us and make us a little bit depressed as it
parts continuously over seven more plus billion years. Um, no
wonder people worship it. Yeah. Well yeah, but here's the
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other thing. You get this stuff that we have humans
have called vitamin D. It's something that your body actually
generates because the sunlight is basically activating. Yeah, vitamin D.
It's uh, it's huge. It's real popular with the human
body nowadays. And it does not occur in a ton
of other in a ton of other places, like a
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ton of food sources. That's why you get it from
either sunlight or vitamin D supplements or in certain fortified
foods vitamin D milk. Right. Yeah, This vitamin D connection
is so crucial though, because yeah, you know, vitamin D
helps strong bones. Your p teacher was telling you the
truth at least in that respect. That's why you gotta
drink your sunny D yep, skip the purple stuff. But
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vitamin D also decreases chances of developing things like multiple
sclerosis or pancreatic cancer. And there are plenty of other positives. Yeah,
you know, photosynthesis, there we go. That's a big deal.
It's crazy too. I mean, you can you know, recreate it.
But but we get to breathe. It's so hot right now.
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Breathing is so hot right now, it's so in well.
I just mean even like, you know plants, the way
plants are able to get so much nourishment, you know, no, no,
but we're also talking about how trees through this process
generate oxygen to help us continus. It's all this weird,
like seemingly made just for us kind of system. It's
almost too coincidental. It's very strange. That's the kind of
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stuff that really does make you asked the big questions
about God in the universe and stuff. You know why
because I just yeah, just yeah, yeah, I see your
being sarcastic. I would. I would also I would also
point out that we have the benefit of not being
around for billions of years of trial and error. Yeah, sure,
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we didn't see all this stuff that totally like didn't
work or work for a while. But yeah, clearly, clearly
the world is a better place with the sun. Even
I can admit that. But I do want to point
out that there are cons of sunlight. Yes, skin cancer right.
According to Darryl Reigel, who was a doctor of dermatology
at New York University, one American dies every hour from
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skin cancer. The overwhelming majority of these cancers are caused
by overexposure to UV, like, there's no question about it.
Yet he warns against going full vampire, and he says
this doesn't mean you should stay inside all day or
that there aren't plenty of health benefits to being outdoors.
Just have to balance everything, use common sense to protect yourself.
If you're if you're given to super freckles like me
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and Matt, you may as well you probably as well, right,
I admit it. Yeah, if you're giving I'm so glad.
Freckles are okay, now, super freckles that just like big
old frecks. Yeah, it's well, it's it's a preponderance of freckles, cluster.
There is no such thing on my body that is
not freckles. Oh yeah you've got Yeah, you're there too.
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Um So, how did all three of us freckled fellows
end up on one talkie talking? I also have this,
like practically the same birthday. Paul out there too. Just
show me your arms fall, No, show me those freckles.
I don't believe it. Oh it's all it is on
his face. Now he draws those on you. Oh he is.
He's drawing more right now, snapchat filter. So so, Uh,
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you do have to protect yourself. Some people more than others,
but everybody needs protection. You don't want to live your
entire life in scorching sunlight. Also a w People don't
know this. There is a summer version of sad. It
has different effects. But when your circadian rhythms are messed
up by a few hours more or less of sun
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each day, you can you can swing into a summer
version of sad. And this one, you know, seasonal effective
disorder for the winter makes people a little more lethargic,
a little slower. Uh, tend to listen to more emo music.
But summer sad means you're you're kind of jittery, you're
squirrel e, you're you're irritated, you're on hedge hot towns.
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Summer in this you know, oh, that's a classic, is that,
Mungo Jerry? No, that's different. I'm thinking in the summer time, yeah,
popular summers. Are you guys aware of these uh these
um seasonal effective disorder lamps that are meant to replace sunlight,
especially in cities where winter is just very bleak and
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the sun has blotted out practically for months at a time,
where it's so oppressively cold you can't go outside. It
really does get to some people. And there are these, uh,
these lamps that supposedly help kind of kick your circadian
rhythm in the butt and kind of you know, make
sure that you don't get the sads. I've I've heard
mixed things as far as how they you know, are,
how effective they are, But they are a thing and
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people some people swear by them. They work, and they're
used in Scandinavian schools. Yes, I remember talking about that
last time. That's it's really good stuff. Check it out.
There's some I mean a lot of the stuff I
found was trying to sell these types of lights, but
there is some cool research that you stumble upon as well. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Look Additionally, while i'm just uh, while I've just taken
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on the sun Additionally, if you live in a sunny,
polluted area dense with cars and factories at lovely sunshine
is making the air you breathe even filthier, even more
to dangerous because UV rays trigger the release of small
forming chemicals. They're linked to asthma and earlier mortality, also
linked to stroke and heart disease. Also last thing, of course,
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we alluded to it earlier. The sun can obviously harm
your eyes. But you know, what if there's more to
the story. Um, some of the stuff that we're talking
about on the surface not particularly surprising, but what if
there is more to the way the sun influences our
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our bodies and our in our brains, And just how
much can it affect us? And does it affect us?
Could solar activity actually be responsible for mass behavioral changes? Well? Yeah,
and the underlying thing is kind of what Reba got
to in the email. There can the sun be some
secret cause for strife and war and bad things happening
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on large scales for humanity? Well, we're gonna explore it
right after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where
it gets crazy. Why does history repeat itself? This is
a question the scientist to Alexander Chijevski asked himself in
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the early twentieth century. He hypothesized that armed conflicts human
armed conflicts cycle and connection to solar events. In other words,
Chijevski asked, does human war ebb and flow according to
the whims of the sun. Chijevski completed his PhD at
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Moscow University in nineteen eighteen, and this was the year
that Lenin. This was a year after rather that Lenin
sees power during the Russian Revolution. So he wrote his
thesis on the topic of something called periodicity in the
worldwide process. This examined the occurrence of certain events throughout history, right,
that's his original question, why does history seem to repeat itself?
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And he looked for causes for these recurrences. Here's the
gist of his argument. It gets it. We'll get in
the weeds a little, but but it's worth it. It
goes back to chemistry. I keep seeing his name and
I want to pronounce it Tchaikovsky. It's it's very close.
It's Jewski. Yeah. And he argued that if we can
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reduce the entirety of human psychology to a bunch of
physical chemical processes in our brains. It's just a fancy
term that means things relating to physics and chemistry or
physical chemistry. Uh, then we can assume that, like other
physical chemistry processes in the natural world, the ones in
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our brains can be directly influenced by their surroundings. And
this gets really close to the old the gaia argument.
So that Earth and all that's on it can be
considered one, say and goal superorganism, all existing like as
some sort of sort of symbiotic flux with the surface
of the Earth and the Earth itself. Yeah, like the
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way your circulatory system is not discreete from your nervous system,
all kind of team up in a weird avengers thing
to make you you wow, all of us, the life
living on this rock, we're just the weird little organs
that are separated and oh come together and create houses
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at least in at least in the case of our
brand of primate. It's a pretty good argument that we're
either vestigial or just delatorious. But you know, still, we're
all we're all sharing this oversized bungalow called Earth together
and maybe, you know, maybe it's true, maybe we all
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are one. But but I think that's an excellent explanation
if we He addresses the nature of conscious us, right,
and he says, what if your mind is just a
series of chemical things happening, right? And if that is true,
then that means that it is these processes must be
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similar to the things that happen in the world around us,
and those things, of course are influenced by other adjacent
or nearby processes. So if this is all true, then
this means in his mind that war does not develop
necessarily due to human foibles. That the fault uh may
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not lie just in ourselves, The fault may lie in
the stars. To bastardize Shakespeare, this means that war develops
in accordance with these pre existing natural cycles that were
here before we were. And so for Chijevski, it's just
a matter of figuring out which natural laws actually affect us.
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So where where to start? Because there are thousands of
natural laws, right, we know a thousand different things occur
on all sorts of scales. So he went big, Yeah,
he looked up and went, ah, that's right, maybe that
thing uh. And here's the deal. For centuries, humans have
known that the sun itself just in observing it for
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for all the time that we have been We know
that the Sun has cycles that it goes through, and
it's just cycling through. How how much activity is occurring
on the Sun and how little activity is occurring on
the Sun. And with these cycles, when there's a large
amount of activity that's occurring, as we we talked about before,
a lot of sun spotting, a lot of prominences, a
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lot of things going on that it's the Sun you
have to think about in this way. The Sun is
emitting things outwards, right, that's generally what's occurring. Not a
lot of stuff headed into the Sun, unless you got
a comment that happens to be off course, or you know,
smaller pieces of rock or some kind of asteroid that
just happens to end up lock into its gravity and
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just gets way too close. Mostly the Sun is shooting
stuff out so when it does that, it's actually affecting
the Earth itself. When you're thinking about geomagnetic storms, things
like that, radiation that's actually hitting the planet, and there
are a lot of other things too. Yeah. Yeah, So
he says, look, this stuff is happening all the time.
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It has some sort of semi predictable cycle, and because
it's happening on such a large scale, if like this
would be one of our top suspects for a natural
process physico chemical process that could affect a bunch of
people at once have a global influence. And this is
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the rough sketch of what Chajewski called helio biology. So
the question is I mean, like need idea, Right, that's
a cool thesis. If I were on his his board
or whomever approved him, I would think this guy's you know,
I don't know if it's Oh, but this guy is cool, right,
I don't want to take your class. Well, yeah, it's
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certainly a out of the box way of thinking, or
maybe just an ancient way of thinking, right, perhaps, Yeah,
So let's look at how it measures up. Chijevski ultimately says,
the regular occurrence of historical events of history repeat itself
can be linked to the Sun's cycle, which is about
eleven years eleven year ish, and that's the periodic change
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in solar activity, measured by things like you mentioned, Matt,
like the number of sun spots, the changing levels of
solar radiation and so on. So this guy went back
through history. He started at the fifth century b c e.
And went all the way up to nineteen fourteen, and
from that, during that time period, he divides human history
into eleven year cycles, kind of following the sun. And
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then he further divides each of those eleven year cycles
into four periods, and he attempts to create a predictive
model of what happens. So this is way he came
up with. Uh. This notion of minimum excitability, which according
to Tajetski u last for three years and is characterized
by indifference of the masses to political matters. And when
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the masses humanity uh and autocratic rule by a minority
is fascinating stuff. Um. This concept of the growth of excitability.
The second period that lasts for two years and is
marked by the emergence of new ideas and the agitation
of the masses. Oh yeah, well, guess what. Now you've
got maximum excitability. This is the climactic moments when you've
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been waiting for. And in this period it's about again,
according to Jajefski, about three years long. And in this
you see the real bad stuff go down, revolts, revolutions, insurrections,
the stuff that societies are torn down from and built
up from. Yes um and and this is you know,
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at least according to the research here, this third period
corresponds to this peak of the solar cycle, the Sun's cycle.
And when you you know, when you see this, as
we said before, you're going to see more sun spots,
You're gonna you're gonna see more coronal mass ejections, more
solar flares, and this is that that solar cycle. We
just have to jump in here really quickly and say
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the solar cycles are an accepted thing. They are really
the solar cycle itself is a real thing. We're on
solar cycle four, we're going into five, and we count
them starting from sevent again. Space weather dot com, Matt,
you need to get sponsored by this website. I think
I'm just gonna start working there soon. I think you should, Um,
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But we don't want to lose you, So can you
just moon right there on the side, just for your
own personal Oh gosh, sorry, I stepped right into that one.
This reminds me of um And then maybe I don't
want to sound like I'm being down on it, but
it sounds like he's doing the thing that like you know,
medieval um doctors did, or they lined up like the
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humors and the levels of various like bile and people's
body with like different types of maladies. You know, this
seems that kind of imprecise, sort of like conjecture where
you're almost like, uh, sort of a loose connection of
a real concept with this idea of a thing that's
connected to it, with it with a little bit lacking
in uh, real hard science to back it up. You know,
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I don't. It may feel that way, but we've only
just begun. That's fair. I have some Yeah, I I
personally have some reservations there, but like to finish this
cycle because we only made it to the three. The
fourth one is the final period, three years of decreasing excitability.
This is, again, to Jejeffsky, is characterized by an increasing
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apathy amongst the masses and a tendency toward peace. Now
it isn't. Yeah. It's important to note, though, that he
did not claim humans were mentally enslaved to the sun.
I fell in love with this phrase, like humans, this
concept of humans being enslaved by the sun, so I
used it way too often working on this. Instead, he says,
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the sun influences people. Here's the vagary. You'll love to
do something and It just happened that the bloodthirsty or
lords of the past, and the bloody solutions they proposed
to whatever problem they had were just, you know, time
and time again, the path at least resistance. They were
the easiest thing to do. What are you gonna ask
people to vote? Nobody's got time for that. Let's kill
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some people. Sure, remind me to bring up projection theory later. Yes,
somebody say projection theory before this episode ends, are all forget.
I'll make you no promises, but I will do my
very best. I I do promise, don't get there. I'll
make sure that this does not go on said projections
like that. Yeah, hey man, we have those projections and
(31:50):
I'll go You have theories, you know, all into it.
So okay, So that's the idea. You can see, you
can see that it is as you said, Matt in evade.
If we can also see that just from how we've
explained it now, it leaves a lot to be desired
if we're looking at it through the lens of science.
So we have to ask ourselves, is it true. We're
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going to kind of answer this question after a word
from our sponsors, and we have returned all right spoiler alert.
During his lifetime, Chajevski was unable to scientifically prove any
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link between large scale human activity and the cycles of
the sun. However, he was able to, at least when
he was charting it out, map some really compelling connections there.
At the time, it was, I mean, it felt compelling
to me. But again, it's just taking two variables or
(32:52):
two things and just putting it side to side, similar
to what Noel was saying there. But when you're maybe
if you're in it or you're close enough to it,
the whole thing just feels like, oh, this connects here,
Oh this makes sense. What makes me think of the
way people like put so much emphasis on the zodiac.
When you look at it, there are a lot of
really interesting connections with personality types and things that associated
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with certain signs. But is it just kind of know,
you know what I'm saying then, Like, I mean, I
I have had people present to me, oh, this sign
is like this, and you're right, my friend Steve is
exactly that way, you know, like or whatever, Virgo or
what have you. Um, it's when you're painting with broad
enough strokes, there's going to be some synchronicities, as I think,
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is what's going on kind of here. You know, Yeah,
I'm gonna get some flak for this, But I at
one time had a gig writing horoscopes entirely. I wanted
to write features for this outfit, but they asked me
if I believed in horoscopes. I said not really, and
so they hired me to write the horoscope section. That's smart, Well,
I guess, but you know, I would read. I would
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rate astrology in the realm of person beliefs. Believe the
world is tough, it's cold, you gotta bring your own heat,
you gotta bring your own light. In a lot of
figurative ways. So whatever it takes to get you from
one day to the next. According to to my horoscope
app that I recently downloaded, is it is it just
a sun sign, because then it's all three of us?
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Or did you put in like your time and your geography,
it's just costar and it's just it's yeah, it's got
When I was born, which is a weird time, you guys,
I didn't realize I was born at a very weird
time in life. That was great at the very beginning.
That's so much promise now you were It is true
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that you were born and infant. It's true, it says,
it says, I feel bighearted right now. I need to
give myself permission to spend time with my best friend
or partner. I need to show up for myself and
for others. That's it, okay, okay, well, h home, Yeah,
it's it's right up there with Uh. You're a fascinating
(35:00):
person because sometimes you want to do things and you
do them, and sometimes you want to do things and
you don't. WHOA. You like things that are likable and
dislike things that are disliked. You know what I'm now
in defensive astrology. I want to get us too derailed
here in defense of astrology and my close friends who
are strict adherents to that, to that system of belief
(35:23):
or interpretation, the common the common defense is going to
be something like, well, the astrology articles you read in
your local paper on a website are just going to
be the twelve basic sun signs, right, and they're gonna
come out once a month or once a week, and
they'll advise you from there and that. To get a
better understanding of this, one needs to do what you've
(35:44):
done Matt, which is look at like the specific uh
coordinates of where you were born on the planet, the
position of the other heavenly bodies, and then the exact
time of your birth. So I think got real specific,
didn't it. I read that I just got after I
drilled down that deep into exactly where I was born.
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I feel like it's a little unfair because you're a
big hearted dude in general. You're like, you're a kind person.
Do you want me to read the other one where
it says I'm having problems with with love and sexuality? Wow,
so they gave me. But you know, for people who
are fans of astrology, I would recommend UH if you
were interested in other astrological systems, checking out the Mayan horoscope.
(36:27):
Remember I used to have a program to do that,
and it was great because sometimes it would it would
just tell some people that they were cursed because they
were born on a bad day because in that particular
maybe it was Aztec, but in that particular Mesoamerican belief system,
there were no such things as accidents. So if you accidentally,
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you know, tripped and hurt somebody, then you would be
treated as though you had a purposely planned and attack them.
But anyway, and we still don't understand gravity. We don't
understand all gravity effects the human rain. So there may
be some infinitesimal gravitational pull in the developing brain based
on the positions of heavenly bodies that could alter the
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personality in some way. That's my best scientific defense of astrology. Hey, well,
astrology in that in that way aside, let's talk about
this guy's research, because while he didn't, you know, he
wasn't able to really connect these two things, human behavior
and solar cycles in a concrete way. There's like people
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haven't stopped attempting to make some kind of connection there, right,
decades after his death, and thanks for getting us back
on track. Sorry about that. Decades after his death, continuing
research shows that there may be some sand to at
least the bones of his ideas, the structure of it.
Uh there there may be there may be some uh,
(37:52):
some siding and roofing to the bungalow. And so neuroscientists
over to m n T have shown they can influence
people those moral decisions through the use of magnets. Magnets can,
as we know from any like h T, M S
or T C d S fans. We know that magnets
can disrupt parts of your brain, change the way it functions.
(38:17):
There's very compelling evidence that you can create the feeling
of being in the quote unquote zone through the use
of these kinds of stimulations electromagnetic simulation. It's probably still
under the realm of don't try this at home. I
got really close to you know, I I built one.
Uh it's which was dumb to do, but I stopped
(38:40):
using it because as there's fairly compelling evidence that has
damaging long term cognitive effects. Can you can be cool
for a short term, pretty smart and stuff, but then
twenty years later, who knows anyway, So we know we
know that's true. We know that what what that proved
to us is that electro magnetic processes can affect the
(39:05):
human mind. So at least one assumption of this guy
seems valid. Well, and as we have discussed previously on
this show, when you're thinking about the magnetosphere, the the
essentially the way the Earth functions as a giant dipole magnet,
I mean, it's it's it's bigger than that, it's it's
(39:26):
more complex than that. But if you look at it,
the the actual magnetics of what the Earth is generating,
and then how that it gets gets affected by solar
wind and the Sun itself and everything. Where the magnetosphere
can change shape, where it can have there could be
less shielding essentially, and or more shielding depending on what's occurring.
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If that t DCS, you know, connection with the human
brain is there, I could totally see how there would
be a connection there. Maybe it's just not as solid
as should Sky was was hoping. Yeah, it doesn't go
all the way to proving what he said that that
essentially that war is a natural cyclical process, just like
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a sun cycle. That's what he said. And that's a lot.
But what what we do know is that we have,
years after his death, we have proven that electromagnetic magnetic
activity can affect the human mind. Let's introduce another character,
a guy named Abraham liebof Yeah, he was a professor
(40:32):
at Oakland University in the physics department, and he had
been studying the effects of electromagnetism on human health since
the late nineteen sixties. UM So what he does is
he studies tiny magnetic fields that are generated by people
that are capable of being affected by these extremely low
frequency electromagnetic fields e l F's elves elves elves, and
(40:58):
these are extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields in people's environments.
They can pick up or disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field.
And he's done experiments on how these disturbances might affect
social behavior as well. Yeah, yeah, so here's here's what
his theory is. He's created this electro magnetic theory of consciousness,
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and similar to Chaijevski, he says, okay, consciousness is a
product of these small magnetic fields that are generated by
neurnal flows in the brain. He says that this magnetic
field is probably minuscule. It's on it's around like a
hundred nano tesla, which without getting two in the weeds,
(41:44):
just so you know, is very We're talking very small time,
very very small time. Smaller than a micro machines version
of a tesla, smaller than a bread box, right still.
I don't know much about bread boxes, but it's smaller.
I think he's designed to hold us single loaf of bread.
Here we go. It's basically a bread case. But you
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can make loaves of so many sizes. You know, your
standard loaf size, standard loaf size the kindly he filed
away in the in the grocery store. So he says,
given that billions of these interactions can be happening in
the brain any time, it could produce a larger electric field.
Like all all these tiny things could add up to
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something larger. And if this larger field is the sum
total of all the fields generated by all neuronal activity
in the brain at a given moment, then maybe that
is what consciousness is. Maybe it's just the interaction and
the collaboration of these different, tiny, tiny magnetic fields. If
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he yeah, if he is right, then that means that
these tiny electromagnetic fields generated by the brain are capable
of being influenced by other alpha extremely low frequency fields
such as this is spooky, such as those generated by
other people. Now this gets into mentalism. Is this gets
(43:12):
this gets away from what could be considered proven methodologies.
There are a lot of scientists that would have a
problem with this next idea. What he's saying is that
these the interaction of these fields between what are different
human beings, uh, could could lead to them having effects
that we don't really understand on one another. So in
(43:33):
situations where the two people really close to each other,
like when a child is in its mother's womb, or
when two people are having intercourse their fields, their magnetic
brain fields, their consciousness. Things might be interacting kind of
bumper carring indi one another, and there is something kind
of beautiful about that about you know, brain magnet powers
(43:54):
bringing us together. Let's go a step further. If that
is true, and a lot of ifs we're adding up.
Ifs here, then the interaction between earth geomagnetic field and
the electromagnetic field of the Sun could affect the way
ions interact with biological entities, meaning that it could also
(44:17):
possibly influence their behavior. The breen magnets just get bigger,
is what he's saying. Or the magnets get bigger, and
then the massive magnets doing the same thing as as
two people bumper carring into each other. Yeah, it's the
the Sun and Earth just sort of having intimate moments
(44:39):
since we're family show, and then everything we call organic
life just happens to be in the same bed. Yeah,
and the moon is just like pesky roommate that's like, hey,
hey stopped, Oh come on, hey, he's where He's using
his arm to show us the orbit of the moon.
That's why I cant away talk and it comes around. Yeah,
(45:02):
I thought it always well done. So so what does
that mean? Does Lieboff then support Chijevski The answer my surprise. Yeah.
In an interview advice, he notes, quote, I'm not a
follower of Chijevski. I think of him as sort of
an amusing prelude to my present area of work. What
I'm saying is amusing prelude for the first time, there
(45:25):
is a possibility of causation that goes along with this
great number of correlative information in terms of the effects
the sun has on living things. Maybe there's something there.
There's an increase in suicides as correlatable whistler activities, so
why not social unrest. So he's kind of saying, yeah,
(45:46):
jejeff Ski's He's all but saying Jeffsky is cute, But
I'm the real scientist here, which I don't, you know,
I don't want to detigrade anyone's work. Yeah, but there's
a difference between a chemist and an alchemist. Right, So
maybe that's maybe that's where he's coming from, the big
question where does this leave us? Now? Well, Reba, we
(46:09):
are currently at the very end of solar cycle twenty four.
As we said, solar cycles are numbered. Starting from seventeen
fifty five, we're gonna reach the solar minimum or we
have reached solar minimum around late. That means that solar
cycle twenty five is hitting the horizon near you very
(46:30):
very very soon. Uh. This will hit peak solar activity
sometime between twenty twenty three and twenty six. But cycle
seems set to have lower activity in general than preceding cycles.
In fact, the last four cycles, the last forty four
years ish, have exhibited a trend of weakening solar activity.
(46:55):
And as we know, things like people still gotten fights
across the planet over the last forty four years, in
great amounts of unrest in regions across the world. Right
over those forty four years. Think about what that on encompasses.
(47:17):
I mean the sixties, the Cold War, Oh yeah, the
Cold War. Various violent coups developing world, South America, the
Middle East, they're just in the United States alone, like
the the terrible things that have occurred with an angry individual. Um,
(47:41):
let's just keep naming off horrible things that have happened.
Let's see, Uh, various violent coups in Western Subharan Africambe. Yeah, yeah,
Harambe as well, maybe a little lower on the list
of terrible things. But no, no, no, we should keep it.
(48:02):
Uh let's see, I mean, but there have been shining
moments in in the last forty four years to like, um,
the Master of Disguise. Yeah, just off the top of
my head. Police Academy four, there we go. See, you know,
don't give up on humanity yet. Was there a Police
Academy five or was four as deep as it went?
I you know, I wouldn't be surprised. Let's let's look
(48:24):
at that directive video. Maybe I just feel like, really,
as a as a genre, Police Academy for was the end?
Part of art is knowing when to put the brush down.
With that being said, Police Academy five Assignment Miami Beach
was released in I don't remember them going to Miami Beach. Yeah,
(48:44):
you know, I stopped it four. I think the true
fans all stopped at four, right, right, So so here
we are. We we would assume then if this is
a predictive model, if the sun really is the they
and stuff they don't want you to know of this
episode and is conspiring to put humans on a doomed
(49:05):
cyclical path to war. Then we have to ask ourselves,
can we predict these activities right? These conflicts? Now again,
you'll notice in jejeff Ski's arguments he's purposefully being pretty general.
A detractors would say he's being uh, frustratingly vague. But
(49:29):
we also have to remember that solar forecasting is pretty new,
especially in comparison to daily weather forecast. And thank you,
of course to all the meteorologists in the audience. You
are doing a wonderful job. We know the weather system
is huge, globally interconnected and tricky. So I just don't
want to sound like I don't want to sound like
(49:50):
we're being rude to UH forecasters because they can't do
a thing that is currently impossible to do. It's like
a pilots can't really fly, you know that they get
in planes. That's right, as those planes that are flying,
those guys are just pulling levers. Yeah, they just they
just know how to operate incredibly sophisticated and dangerous machines,
(50:14):
hitting all those buttons and checking gauges, landing and taking
off and not killing people, doing quick mathematics that I
could never do in my entire life. Yeah, no, Lie,
I get anxiety seeing the films from the fifties and
sixties where there's one person back there who's in charge
of everything that like the three D position of the
(50:36):
plane relative to everything else, and they just have a pencil. Dude, Uh,
really quick tangential thing. And I know we're wrapping up here.
My son had to do He had to pick out
his favorite book and then dress up like a character
from his favorite book today at school. Um, do you
guys want to guess, like what character he chose. It's
(50:59):
it's almost tangential to this that we just said Superman. Okay, Okay,
Paul says, Pepper Pig Sun Raw Sun Raw Rat. That
would have been incredible. Okay. Okay, wait wait wait wait,
we're talking about pilots, um pilots, pilots, famous pilots. Okay, Okay,
(51:23):
it's not Frank Abcneil Jr. Porco Rosso. Okay, it's not
Porco Rosso, Howard Hughes. It's not how Hard Hughes. It's
not Bluey did someone from Police Academy. It is Neil Armstrong.
His favorite book currently is one of these that's like
I am it's one of those books and Neil Armstrong
he loves it. He loves the concept of being an astronaut.
(51:45):
And today he put on his astronaut outfit and his
helmet and he went to school carrying his book and
told everybody about it was awesome. They hold it aloft
like you were just doing that's Are you guys gonna
let him eat space food? Oh yeah, he already had.
He's quite a bit. Oh yeah, there's some gross versions
of space food. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. The only
(52:06):
good one is the ice cream. That's the one that's
like the crowd favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. We also stocked
up on m R. Rays here, we've got many. Um. Yes,
that is amazing. And I I hope that he you
know what, I hope he's sticks with it. I hope
(52:27):
he becomes an astronauts. He's reaching for the stars. Man.
There we got the very least. He got us into
space camp. My dude is going to space. That's so cool.
So here's where we leave Alexander Seveski. His ideas did
not meet with very much support in his lifetime, to
(52:48):
say the least. In ninety two there was this guy
was a big deal in the USSR at the time
his name was Joseph Stalin heard of him, I think, yeah,
he's a real pill. He became aware of Jeff Ski's research,
including this book he published in called Physical Factors of
(53:09):
the Historical Process and more of a pamphlet an argument
uh and Stalin's people asked the scientist to retract his
writings on solar cycles. You see, they contradicted Soviet theories
about the reasons for the Russian revolutions, first in nineteen
o five and then in nineteen seventeen. Yeah, the politics
(53:29):
got in the way, just like with Galileo if you
think about it. So, the political climate of the U.
S s R was such that all of history had
to be portrayed as this inevitable, if slow, painful march
towards the ultimate eternal victory of the proletariat, toward the
worker's paradise. We like, history is over, we are at
(53:51):
the eternal present now right vero And arguing that this
was just another series of conflicts that weren't particularly special,
that they were dictated or influenced by nature, UH was
was first off very problematic and more heretical. The idea
that that meant these would inevitably happen again. We were
(54:13):
not done with war. We're just waiting on the sun
to be in a bad mood or in that this
proletariat paradise is just one next step, you know, there's
like they're an infinite number of steps after right, that's
a speech, and so, like Galileo, he refused to recant,
and he was arrested. He was hauled off to a
gulag for eight years. He was released in nineteen fifty
(54:35):
sort of. He was taking a Kazakhstan where he did
science and coal mines for eight years as a form
of Soviet rehabilitation. But now we're still you know, one
thing you said before we started recording today, matt um.
So we're very we're very much in the early days
of any research on this. I don't know, like what
(54:56):
what do you guys think, Like is this just a
case of cherry picking evidence? That's the thing that bothers me.
That's one of my reservations, Like how there are so
many wars, there's so many conflicts. Furthermore, there are so
many that perhaps this scientists would not have been aware
of at that time. It feels dangerously easy to go
(55:16):
back and just sort of kind of like you are
alluding to old just go back and kind of fit
in things that go with your confirmation bias. I'm gonna
put this out here, this connection between the Sun's activity
and humanity's brain patterns and our and you know what
(55:37):
we choose to do from a behavioral perspective. It's still
something that is very much in at least sections of
the scientific interest into inven there's a study it was
called Sunspot dynamics are Reflected in Human Physiology and path
of Physiology. And it's something you can read if you
(55:59):
go to the site that Ben and I I know
for sure and Noel go to every once in a a while.
It's the U s National Library of Medicine, National Institutes
of Health. You can find journals there and you can
read an abstract. UM I would say look into this
because it's trying. It's really weird. It took this huge
longitudinal study of pap smears and um I believe it
(56:22):
was self reported breathing and oxygen levels in males, and
it was just looking at within these solar minimums and
maximums whether or not there was any kind of change,
like if you're if you're looking at the some of
the scientific testing there the pap smears, like, we're what
were the rates of infectious diseases that were found during
(56:45):
the maximums versus during the minimums? And again it seems
like a good way to maybe make a connection. But
again it's like to data sets that don't necessarily have
anything to do with each other. And if you make
those correlations, then uh it perhaps it is just in
the eye of the researcher, just putting that out there.
But then again there was another one, UM, and this
(57:08):
one had to do with heart rates, just looking at
heart rates and these you know, the solar cycles. That one,
by the way, if you want to look for it
is long term study of heart rate variability responses to
changes in the solar and geomagnetic environment the tope UM.
But it's just and that was so just knowing that
(57:29):
even now this interest is still there in finding a
connection depending on what it is UM, And I'm very
much interested to see if something more concrete can be
established at some point in the near future. And what
if what if we get to a point where that
kind of that kind of correlation does have approvable causation,
(57:51):
how does that change the activity of the human species
on the planet do we have? You know what I
mean is are we realistically ever going to have a
a society where someone says, Okay, guys, you know, I
know we've had some religious or ideological disagreements, but we're
at like maximum excitability, so let's just hold off for
(58:15):
three years. Let's just let's just chill for three years,
and then let's come back and talk. I don't think
humans are capable of that, but if if science can
prove that, um, the bones of it are interesting enough
that we should continue research on this. We want to
hear from you. What do you think, folks? Is this
(58:36):
a case of cherry picking evidence and and mistaking correlation
for causation, or are we emotional slaves to the sun
our first god? Or or is it something in between?
Let us know. You can find us on Facebook, you
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(59:21):
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Twitter app Ben Bullen H s W tossed the ball
back to you. Uh, Matt f Yes, I don't have
any socials right now at the moment. I can't find them.
There there, there somewhere. I just can't find them. But
what I can tell you is that Steve Guttenberg is
very excited when about Police Academy eight, which maybe coming
(59:45):
to us at some point, guys. According to screen ran
dot com from he was getting all hyped up about
Police Academy eight. Maybe it was the six and two
others post Miami Beach. Yeah, there's one called under Siege.
I think that was six. You know, I've gotta I
(01:00:07):
gotta check the sun cycle before there is a lot
of new information for me. I really did just stick
with four. You know, I'm you know, well, Gutenberg's excited.
So yeah, but Police Academy for was divisive, and that's
what art should do. It looks yes, we gotta get
out of here and we do have together I would
say if there is gonna be another Police Academy, now
(01:00:30):
is the time for it to just like show up
on Netflix one day and everybody would go, hey, all right,
Sun made that happen. Maybe he's just the season for
a new police Academy. Because Police Academy seven Mission to Moscow.
That sounds somehow familiar. Oh so that's the real title.
That is. We have a we have a phone number
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Um oh wait yeah it is three minutes. Um. I
(01:01:34):
was just wondering if you have any thoughts on big pharma,
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for all you do. I gotta go there. They're catching up. Uh. Thanks,
I'll keep listening now. To be fair, when we agreed
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we believe is real, is actually just a projection from
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the Sun. Uh, We're we're in this weird way three
dimensional projections of a two dimensional space or object that
is behind or a part of our sun. Totally okay,
cool because you can. You can read about that on
the internet right now. Stuff they don't want you to
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You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know here alive for us, at least
in a beautiful, beautiful, rainy afternoon here in our fair
metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia. It's dreary, it's gray, it's rainy.
(00:50):
Flip on the Shirley Manson if you're only happy when
it rains. This is like the setting for a murder mystery,
although from where we set right now, we wouldn't know,
because we're in case and box made of sort of
plywood and foam that's inside of a concrete room that's
covered in wood paneling and also acoustic foam. But and
then we're in a sort of a dark cave. Outside
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of that, we can say I've been in the cave
all day. I had no idea it was raining today, guys,
it's also in uh this, this entire apparatus is inside
a giant concrete building itself. Yeah, it takes us. I
guess it takes us about three minutes to figure out
what the weather is, just to get out and go
to where the outside windows are. Do you think it
means we're being shielded against radiation though to a degree? Yeah,
(01:34):
Well that's that's a net positive, I would say, other
than the radiation and all our electronics. But that's a
that's a very good question, especially for today's episode. Now,
you know, people, the weather is a very personal thing
for a lot of people, but it's a safe thing
you can talk about with almost anyone. And in these
our interesting times, weather has become even more of a
(01:58):
extraordinary topic because the times and the climbs are changing. Right,
you don't need a weatherman to know which way the
wind blows, It's true, and you know what past a
certain past about two weeks. Those meteorologists are almost like alchemists,
you know, because so much stuff can happen. It's not
their fault. I wanted to be a weather man for
a long time, but those models are becoming so sophisticated.
(02:19):
It's pretty cool. Which which models the ones that they're
using AI to, Yes, I mean it's Watson is all
all up in the weather. Yeah, But can they gesture
convincingly at a green screen map, Matt, I ask you.
I'm just saying the models themselves are better. So like
the two week thing is like still there, but you
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could just watch it develop now at a better resolution.
Maybe not for that two week limit might not be uh,
might be a thing of the past sooner rather than later.
But you know, for a lot of people here in Atlanta,
for Peak behind the curtain, Uh, the rain is just
played out now. People are tired of the being. They've
(03:01):
done all their rainy day stuff. They want some sunshine,
right I am. Of course ancient nemesis is the sun,
and so I love it. Whenever that guy's not directly
at me, you know what I mean, I understand, And
it's like I think a lot of people can agree,
but a lot of people love sunshine. So to get
our minds off the weather it is going to rain
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all week here, we're gonna explore a seemingly benign concept sunshine, sunlight,
sunny days. We've been inspired by a lovely email from
a fellow conspiracy realist, Reba. It says, Hey, Chips, forgive
me if you've already covered it, as I've only started
listening to your podcast and reviewing your past subjects very recently.
(03:43):
But have you investigated the relationship between solar activity and
its effect on mass excitability and human health? It's a
dang interesting subject. I'm currently reading solar History, The Connection
of solar activity, war, peace, and the Human Mind in
the second Millennium by Sasha Dobbler, which is a bit
poorly written, awkwardly academic and roughly edited, but full of
(04:05):
interesting information and statistical significance. Ouch. Well yeah, if you haven't,
well you consider doing the research and making an episode.
In any case, keep up the great work. Hugs and
high fives, Rebu. It does sound like the book contained
enough of a spark of inspiration that at least got
Reba started, so you got to give a credit for that,
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even if it's construction left something to be desired. And
we left book recommendations here on the show, So thank
you very much Reba for both listening, checking out our
show and all that, and sending us a cool recommendation.
And here are the facts. First, what is solar activity?
The Sun is this enormous, beautiful, dangerous, deadly thing. And
regardless of what we do with our time on Earth,
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we the living all know that if things continue on
their present course, the Sun will eventually consume this little
rock we call home. Yeah, as uh as this article
on neuro research projects dot com says, the Sun giveth,
the Sun taketh away, it's too true, assuming we might
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somehow avoid all the other terrible things that very well
could happen between now and the end of the rock. Uh.
You know that stuff like gamma ray bursts. That's stuff
like a rogue object in space just smacking the tar
out of us. No matter what happens, in about seven
and a half billion years or so, we're ballparking here.
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The Sun will transform into a red giant. It will
expand uh. And it's just its size alone will be uh,
will will will engulf the orbit of Earth. Won't it
make Earth unlivable long before it actually engulfs that? Though, yes,
no worries. Humans will be long gone by then, will
either be extinct or whatever evolves from us will be
(05:54):
out there deep in the ink exploring the stars. This
is like watching a long but really good movie and
already knowing who the killer is at the end, and
you know, can we even call this a killer because
with with this point about human beings being long gone,
when the sun finally eats our planet, how love crafty
and uh, it feels like maybe the Sun is relegated
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to one of those villains who shows up in a
post credit stinger. M I can see that, but it's
also the main character. Because the Sun, the star around
which we orbit, is the reason why life exists on
this planet, or it's one of the primary reasons it exists.
So it is like it's like that movie Mother, Yeah,
but we're the babies. Whoa, you're talking about the infamous Baby.
(06:40):
It's not like that where it's like it's it's similar
to that Um, what was that Robert de Niro film
from years back where he's an investigator, Uh, Angel Heart,
Angel Hart. Yeah, and he finds out like I'm the
person that's chasing all along. Wait no, he's the devil
in Angel Heart. Oh no, wait, the who's the nick
ro because right right there it is. And Lisa Bonet
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has a quite steamy love making scene which she has
drenched in chicken blood. I gotta say I didn't like
Roberts and Euros devil and he's kind of really isn't
his name like Louis Louis Cipher? Yeah, I think it's
Louis Cipher and his whole infernal nature is shown in
his weird finger naimes weird creepy fingernails like he's got. Yeah,
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it's an interesting movie that Alan Parker, who directed a
pink Floyd the Wall, Um, We're worth your time, but yes,
does not particularly Ah well, yeah, I I love this
kind of stuff too. Give me a good, A good
modern Faustian devil tale shout out to uh, the devil's
advocate that one. There we go. So he's saying, the
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sun is almost simultaneously God and the devil in one
in a weird way, right, And a lot of early
religions agree with us because it's like our biggest proponent
and sorry, it's giving us our biggest out of boy
and saying, hey, you guys down there on Earth, good job,
I'm making this happen for you. But you know I
also might be your ultimate demise. The Sun is our
abusive parent, is one other way to sum it up.
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So you know, for better or worse, we're along for
just a little bit. We're along for the ride, and
there's something beautiful about that. Very David Attenborough, Very Planet
Earth documentary. For the vast majority of life on Earth,
the Sun is an ubiquitous, crucial presence, at least for
all the life that's listening to this right now. Well,
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we can assume, I think possibly we can assume you're
right until Okay, we might be big with the deep
se event crowd. I don't know, Okay, I was just
thinking more along the lines of well, no, even then,
if it was a machine, there's likely a solar solar
power component. Once the machines are listening to this. Sure, sure,
unless we're far lef along in the future that our
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demographic has somehow become nuclear powered synthetic machine consciousness, in
which case, thanks for tune it in. Yeah, it's tell
us what happens in the future. Right now, we have
the Sun. It's it's the big uh, It's the big
engine powering life on Earth. It's a gigantic ball made
up at Thermo nuclear explosions. It's only ninety three million
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miles away from us, and it is responsible for the
continuation of life as we know it, full stop. And
you know, we we think of it as a as
a very cohesive thing. Oh look, there's the sun, like
it's got this inherent stability to it. But that's not
quite the case at all. If you've got a really
close look at it, it would look like you know,
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the depths of Hell basically with royal ng explosions and inferno,
just constantly shifting like a sea of fire. And if
you want to take a close look at it, I
would recommend, as I generally do when we do an
episode that involves the sun in anyway, is head over
to space weather dot com. It's one of my favorite websites.
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You can go there and actually see the it is
videos from all of the varying solar satellites that exist
out there, where you can actually watch the sun and
royal around like hell fire, or just like look at
it directly, like right into it with your eyes. Now,
don't do that. And I'm kidding, Um. You hit me
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to that site years and years ago, Matt, and I
remain grateful. I was actually when I was taking into
some of this, I had that just playing because you know,
you can just pull it up and yeah, it's there's
something peaceful about all that chaos so far away. Oh yeah,
you you will begin to get obsessed with coronal holes
and mass ejections and all kinds of fun things if
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you start going on that website. The Sun is what
we call a magnetic variable star. It fluctuates a weird
time scales, ranging from as short as a fraction of
a second to billions and billions of years. It's full
and short of wait for it, activity. So what is
solar activity that that that's your question. To answer your question,
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but we have to figure out that part first. Yeah,
it's like an umbrella term, really, isn't it. That kind
of refers to everything from flares solar flares we've talked about,
to those coronal mass ejections you were talking about Matt too,
high speed solar winds, and solar energetic particles. UM. Solar
activity really is the sum of all variable and short
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lived disturbances on the Sun. So sun spots, for example,
and prominences count um as a solar activity as well.
Prominences are weird. Well, yeah, I kicked that to us.
So like a sun spot, if you're if you're looking
at it, looks like a spot on the Sun where
there's kind of a hole. Essentially, it looks like there's
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a hole in the Sun's surface there. And then uh,
and it's really interesting because when there's a whole sun's spot,
a lot of times you're gonna have higher frequencies of
solar wind and basically particles coming out from closer to
the middle and center of the Sun. But then you
got these things prominences, and it looks like flame whip,
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maybe giant flame whip, it's a good way to describe it.
Very scientific. Um. Yeah, and and sometimes those whips when
like you'll see it occur where a prominence will kind
of happen. And then some of that stuff that uh,
the solar the solar activity stuff, it actually shoots out
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sun stuff. Sun stuff just shoots out and it snatches
gand off off the ledge and flings him down into
the pit of ultimate despair, sometimes the whole time making
a very deep cthulhu as a toth esque. That's what
the sun sounds like. Yeah, almost always. It's so weird.
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We don't expect it. But that stuff is really dangerous. Uh,
we'll talk about it more later. Well, let's we've talked
about danger. Let's ask ourselves how does the sun affect you?
You might be someone saying, look, guys have been your
n essay intern for years now, they're not letting me
out of the bunker. I see the sun on television.
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What does it mean to me? The answer might seem obvious,
but it bears thinking about. Let's look at the pros
of sunlight acts well as the cons. Huh, it's it's
not just skin cancer. To spoil it just a bit
here as a as a somewhat anti sun person. Yeah, okay, Well,
well let's start with your positivity. The sun can in
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fact affect you in a way that would make you
feel more positive. Mm hmmm. So why so many songs
about sunshine or about how it puts you in a
good mood. There's science behind it. Yeah, that science actually
proved that sunlight can put people in a better state
of mind. When you encounter sunlight, your brain releases seratonin.
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Does that feel good chemicals. It's part of why hanging
around outdoors um can boost your mood, even your creativity,
and and lower your stress without sunlight when we really
do we really need sunlight to a degree. Uh, some
people can experience type of depression called seasonal effective disorder
and not laughing at the distorterer. I just love that
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the acronym is sad. That people get sad when there's
no sunshine. And we have talked about that before, about
how that giant ball of of nuclear fire can affect
us and make us a little bit depressed as it
parts continuously over seven more plus billion years. Um, no
wonder people worship it. Yeah. Well yeah, but here's the
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other thing. You get this stuff that we have humans
have called vitamin D. It's something that your body actually
generates because the sunlight is basically activating. Yeah, vitamin D.
It's uh, it's huge. It's real popular with the human
body nowadays. And it does not occur in a ton
of other in a ton of other places, like a
(14:57):
ton of food sources. That's why you get it from
either sunlight or vitamin D supplements or in certain fortified
foods vitamin D milk. Right. Yeah, This vitamin D connection
is so crucial though, because yeah, you know, vitamin D
helps strong bones. Your p teacher was telling you the
truth at least in that respect. That's why you gotta
drink your sunny D yep, skip the purple stuff. But
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vitamin D also decreases chances of developing things like multiple
sclerosis or pancreatic cancer. And there are plenty of other positives. Yeah,
you know, photosynthesis, there we go. That's a big deal.
It's crazy too. I mean, you can you know, recreate it.
But but we get to breathe. It's so hot right now.
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Breathing is so hot right now, it's so in well.
I just mean even like, you know plants, the way
plants are able to get so much nourishment, you know, no, no,
but we're also talking about how trees through this process
generate oxygen to help us continus. It's all this weird,
like seemingly made just for us kind of system. It's
almost too coincidental. It's very strange. That's the kind of
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stuff that really does make you asked the big questions
about God in the universe and stuff. You know why
because I just yeah, just yeah, yeah, I see your
being sarcastic. I would. I would also I would also
point out that we have the benefit of not being
around for billions of years of trial and error. Yeah, sure,
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we didn't see all this stuff that totally like didn't
work or work for a while. But yeah, clearly, clearly
the world is a better place with the sun. Even
I can admit that. But I do want to point
out that there are cons of sunlight. Yes, skin cancer right.
According to Darryl Reigel, who was a doctor of dermatology
at New York University, one American dies every hour from
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skin cancer. The overwhelming majority of these cancers are caused
by overexposure to UV, like, there's no question about it.
Yet he warns against going full vampire, and he says
this doesn't mean you should stay inside all day or
that there aren't plenty of health benefits to being outdoors.
Just have to balance everything, use common sense to protect yourself.
If you're if you're given to super freckles like me
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and Matt, you may as well you probably as well, right,
I admit it. Yeah, if you're giving I'm so glad.
Freckles are okay, now, super freckles that just like big
old frecks. Yeah, it's well, it's it's a preponderance of freckles, cluster.
There is no such thing on my body that is
not freckles. Oh yeah you've got Yeah, you're there too.
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Um So, how did all three of us freckled fellows
end up on one talkie talking? I also have this,
like practically the same birthday. Paul out there too. Just
show me your arms fall, No, show me those freckles.
I don't believe it. Oh it's all it is on
his face. Now he draws those on you. Oh he is.
He's drawing more right now, snapchat filter. So so, Uh,
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you do have to protect yourself. Some people more than others,
but everybody needs protection. You don't want to live your
entire life in scorching sunlight. Also a w People don't
know this. There is a summer version of sad. It
has different effects. But when your circadian rhythms are messed
up by a few hours more or less of sun
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each day, you can you can swing into a summer
version of sad. And this one, you know, seasonal effective
disorder for the winter makes people a little more lethargic,
a little slower. Uh, tend to listen to more emo music.
But summer sad means you're you're kind of jittery, you're
squirrel e, you're you're irritated, you're on hedge hot towns.
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Summer in this you know, oh, that's a classic, is that,
Mungo Jerry? No, that's different. I'm thinking in the summer time, yeah,
popular summers. Are you guys aware of these uh these
um seasonal effective disorder lamps that are meant to replace sunlight,
especially in cities where winter is just very bleak and
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the sun has blotted out practically for months at a time,
where it's so oppressively cold you can't go outside. It
really does get to some people. And there are these, uh,
these lamps that supposedly help kind of kick your circadian
rhythm in the butt and kind of you know, make
sure that you don't get the sads. I've I've heard
mixed things as far as how they you know, are,
how effective they are, But they are a thing and
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people some people swear by them. They work, and they're
used in Scandinavian schools. Yes, I remember talking about that
last time. That's it's really good stuff. Check it out.
There's some I mean a lot of the stuff I
found was trying to sell these types of lights, but
there is some cool research that you stumble upon as well. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Look Additionally, while i'm just uh, while I've just taken
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on the sun Additionally, if you live in a sunny,
polluted area dense with cars and factories at lovely sunshine
is making the air you breathe even filthier, even more
to dangerous because UV rays trigger the release of small
forming chemicals. They're linked to asthma and earlier mortality, also
linked to stroke and heart disease. Also last thing, of course,
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we alluded to it earlier. The sun can obviously harm
your eyes. But you know, what if there's more to
the story. Um, some of the stuff that we're talking
about on the surface not particularly surprising, but what if
there is more to the way the sun influences our
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our bodies and our in our brains, And just how
much can it affect us? And does it affect us?
Could solar activity actually be responsible for mass behavioral changes? Well? Yeah,
and the underlying thing is kind of what Reba got
to in the email. There can the sun be some
secret cause for strife and war and bad things happening
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on large scales for humanity? Well, we're gonna explore it
right after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where
it gets crazy. Why does history repeat itself? This is
a question the scientist to Alexander Chijevski asked himself in
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the early twentieth century. He hypothesized that armed conflicts human
armed conflicts cycle and connection to solar events. In other words,
Chijevski asked, does human war ebb and flow according to
the whims of the sun. Chijevski completed his PhD at
(21:42):
Moscow University in nineteen eighteen, and this was the year
that Lenin. This was a year after rather that Lenin
sees power during the Russian Revolution. So he wrote his
thesis on the topic of something called periodicity in the
worldwide process. This examined the occurrence of certain events throughout history, right,
that's his original question, why does history seem to repeat itself?
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And he looked for causes for these recurrences. Here's the
gist of his argument. It gets it. We'll get in
the weeds a little, but but it's worth it. It
goes back to chemistry. I keep seeing his name and
I want to pronounce it Tchaikovsky. It's it's very close.
It's Jewski. Yeah. And he argued that if we can
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reduce the entirety of human psychology to a bunch of
physical chemical processes in our brains. It's just a fancy
term that means things relating to physics and chemistry or
physical chemistry. Uh, then we can assume that, like other
physical chemistry processes in the natural world, the ones in
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our brains can be directly influenced by their surroundings. And
this gets really close to the old the gaia argument.
So that Earth and all that's on it can be
considered one, say and goal superorganism, all existing like as
some sort of sort of symbiotic flux with the surface
of the Earth and the Earth itself. Yeah, like the
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way your circulatory system is not discreete from your nervous system,
all kind of team up in a weird avengers thing
to make you you wow, all of us, the life
living on this rock, we're just the weird little organs
that are separated and oh come together and create houses
(23:31):
at least in at least in the case of our
brand of primate. It's a pretty good argument that we're
either vestigial or just delatorious. But you know, still, we're
all we're all sharing this oversized bungalow called Earth together
and maybe, you know, maybe it's true, maybe we all
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are one. But but I think that's an excellent explanation
if we He addresses the nature of conscious us, right,
and he says, what if your mind is just a
series of chemical things happening, right? And if that is true,
then that means that it is these processes must be
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similar to the things that happen in the world around us,
and those things, of course are influenced by other adjacent
or nearby processes. So if this is all true, then
this means in his mind that war does not develop
necessarily due to human foibles. That the fault uh may
(24:33):
not lie just in ourselves, The fault may lie in
the stars. To bastardize Shakespeare, this means that war develops
in accordance with these pre existing natural cycles that were
here before we were. And so for Chijevski, it's just
a matter of figuring out which natural laws actually affect us.
(24:55):
So where where to start? Because there are thousands of
natural laws, right, we know a thousand different things occur
on all sorts of scales. So he went big, Yeah,
he looked up and went, ah, that's right, maybe that
thing uh. And here's the deal. For centuries, humans have
known that the sun itself just in observing it for
(25:18):
for all the time that we have been We know
that the Sun has cycles that it goes through, and
it's just cycling through. How how much activity is occurring
on the Sun and how little activity is occurring on
the Sun. And with these cycles, when there's a large
amount of activity that's occurring, as we we talked about before,
a lot of sun spotting, a lot of prominences, a
(25:40):
lot of things going on that it's the Sun you
have to think about in this way. The Sun is
emitting things outwards, right, that's generally what's occurring. Not a
lot of stuff headed into the Sun, unless you got
a comment that happens to be off course, or you know,
smaller pieces of rock or some kind of asteroid that
just happens to end up lock into its gravity and
(26:02):
just gets way too close. Mostly the Sun is shooting
stuff out so when it does that, it's actually affecting
the Earth itself. When you're thinking about geomagnetic storms, things
like that, radiation that's actually hitting the planet, and there
are a lot of other things too. Yeah. Yeah, So
he says, look, this stuff is happening all the time.
(26:23):
It has some sort of semi predictable cycle, and because
it's happening on such a large scale, if like this
would be one of our top suspects for a natural
process physico chemical process that could affect a bunch of
people at once have a global influence. And this is
(26:43):
the rough sketch of what Chajewski called helio biology. So
the question is I mean, like need idea, Right, that's
a cool thesis. If I were on his his board
or whomever approved him, I would think this guy's you know,
I don't know if it's Oh, but this guy is cool, right,
I don't want to take your class. Well, yeah, it's
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certainly a out of the box way of thinking, or
maybe just an ancient way of thinking, right, perhaps, Yeah,
So let's look at how it measures up. Chijevski ultimately says,
the regular occurrence of historical events of history repeat itself
can be linked to the Sun's cycle, which is about
eleven years eleven year ish, and that's the periodic change
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in solar activity, measured by things like you mentioned, Matt,
like the number of sun spots, the changing levels of
solar radiation and so on. So this guy went back
through history. He started at the fifth century b c e.
And went all the way up to nineteen fourteen, and
from that, during that time period, he divides human history
into eleven year cycles, kind of following the sun. And
(27:49):
then he further divides each of those eleven year cycles
into four periods, and he attempts to create a predictive
model of what happens. So this is way he came
up with. Uh. This notion of minimum excitability, which according
to Tajetski u last for three years and is characterized
by indifference of the masses to political matters. And when
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the masses humanity uh and autocratic rule by a minority
is fascinating stuff. Um. This concept of the growth of excitability.
The second period that lasts for two years and is
marked by the emergence of new ideas and the agitation
of the masses. Oh yeah, well, guess what. Now you've
got maximum excitability. This is the climactic moments when you've
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been waiting for. And in this period it's about again,
according to Jajefski, about three years long. And in this
you see the real bad stuff go down, revolts, revolutions, insurrections,
the stuff that societies are torn down from and built
up from. Yes um and and this is you know,
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at least according to the research here, this third period
corresponds to this peak of the solar cycle, the Sun's cycle.
And when you you know, when you see this, as
we said before, you're going to see more sun spots,
You're gonna you're gonna see more coronal mass ejections, more
solar flares, and this is that that solar cycle. We
just have to jump in here really quickly and say
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the solar cycles are an accepted thing. They are really
the solar cycle itself is a real thing. We're on
solar cycle four, we're going into five, and we count
them starting from sevent again. Space weather dot com, Matt,
you need to get sponsored by this website. I think
I'm just gonna start working there soon. I think you should, Um,
(29:40):
But we don't want to lose you, So can you
just moon right there on the side, just for your
own personal Oh gosh, sorry, I stepped right into that one.
This reminds me of um And then maybe I don't
want to sound like I'm being down on it, but
it sounds like he's doing the thing that like you know,
medieval um doctors did, or they lined up like the
(30:02):
humors and the levels of various like bile and people's
body with like different types of maladies. You know, this
seems that kind of imprecise, sort of like conjecture where
you're almost like, uh, sort of a loose connection of
a real concept with this idea of a thing that's
connected to it, with it with a little bit lacking
in uh, real hard science to back it up. You know,
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I don't. It may feel that way, but we've only
just begun. That's fair. I have some Yeah, I I
personally have some reservations there, but like to finish this
cycle because we only made it to the three. The
fourth one is the final period, three years of decreasing excitability.
This is, again, to Jejeffsky, is characterized by an increasing
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apathy amongst the masses and a tendency toward peace. Now
it isn't. Yeah. It's important to note, though, that he
did not claim humans were mentally enslaved to the sun.
I fell in love with this phrase, like humans, this
concept of humans being enslaved by the sun, so I
used it way too often working on this. Instead, he says,
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the sun influences people. Here's the vagary. You'll love to
do something and It just happened that the bloodthirsty or
lords of the past, and the bloody solutions they proposed
to whatever problem they had were just, you know, time
and time again, the path at least resistance. They were
the easiest thing to do. What are you gonna ask
people to vote? Nobody's got time for that. Let's kill
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some people. Sure, remind me to bring up projection theory later. Yes,
somebody say projection theory before this episode ends, are all forget.
I'll make you no promises, but I will do my
very best. I I do promise, don't get there. I'll
make sure that this does not go on said projections
like that. Yeah, hey man, we have those projections and
(31:50):
I'll go You have theories, you know, all into it.
So okay, So that's the idea. You can see, you
can see that it is as you said, Matt in evade.
If we can also see that just from how we've
explained it now, it leaves a lot to be desired
if we're looking at it through the lens of science.
So we have to ask ourselves, is it true. We're
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going to kind of answer this question after a word
from our sponsors, and we have returned all right spoiler alert.
During his lifetime, Chajevski was unable to scientifically prove any
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link between large scale human activity and the cycles of
the sun. However, he was able to, at least when
he was charting it out, map some really compelling connections there.
At the time, it was, I mean, it felt compelling
to me. But again, it's just taking two variables or
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two things and just putting it side to side, similar
to what Noel was saying there. But when you're maybe
if you're in it or you're close enough to it,
the whole thing just feels like, oh, this connects here,
Oh this makes sense. What makes me think of the
way people like put so much emphasis on the zodiac.
When you look at it, there are a lot of
really interesting connections with personality types and things that associated
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with certain signs. But is it just kind of know,
you know what I'm saying then, Like, I mean, I
I have had people present to me, oh, this sign
is like this, and you're right, my friend Steve is
exactly that way, you know, like or whatever, Virgo or
what have you. Um, it's when you're painting with broad
enough strokes, there's going to be some synchronicities, as I think,
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is what's going on kind of here. You know, Yeah,
I'm gonna get some flak for this, But I at
one time had a gig writing horoscopes entirely. I wanted
to write features for this outfit, but they asked me
if I believed in horoscopes. I said not really, and
so they hired me to write the horoscope section. That's smart, Well,
I guess, but you know, I would read. I would
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rate astrology in the realm of person beliefs. Believe the
world is tough, it's cold, you gotta bring your own heat,
you gotta bring your own light. In a lot of
figurative ways. So whatever it takes to get you from
one day to the next. According to to my horoscope
app that I recently downloaded, is it is it just
a sun sign, because then it's all three of us?
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Or did you put in like your time and your geography,
it's just costar and it's just it's yeah, it's got
When I was born, which is a weird time, you guys,
I didn't realize I was born at a very weird
time in life. That was great at the very beginning.
That's so much promise now you were It is true
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that you were born and infant. It's true, it says,
it says, I feel bighearted right now. I need to
give myself permission to spend time with my best friend
or partner. I need to show up for myself and
for others. That's it, okay, okay, well, h home, Yeah,
it's it's right up there with Uh. You're a fascinating
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person because sometimes you want to do things and you
do them, and sometimes you want to do things and
you don't. WHOA. You like things that are likable and
dislike things that are disliked. You know what I'm now
in defensive astrology. I want to get us too derailed
here in defense of astrology and my close friends who
are strict adherents to that, to that system of belief
(35:23):
or interpretation, the common the common defense is going to
be something like, well, the astrology articles you read in
your local paper on a website are just going to
be the twelve basic sun signs, right, and they're gonna
come out once a month or once a week, and
they'll advise you from there and that. To get a
better understanding of this, one needs to do what you've
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done Matt, which is look at like the specific uh
coordinates of where you were born on the planet, the
position of the other heavenly bodies, and then the exact
time of your birth. So I think got real specific,
didn't it. I read that I just got after I
drilled down that deep into exactly where I was born.
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I feel like it's a little unfair because you're a
big hearted dude in general. You're like, you're a kind person.
Do you want me to read the other one where
it says I'm having problems with with love and sexuality? Wow,
so they gave me. But you know, for people who
are fans of astrology, I would recommend UH if you
were interested in other astrological systems, checking out the Mayan horoscope.
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Remember I used to have a program to do that,
and it was great because sometimes it would it would
just tell some people that they were cursed because they
were born on a bad day because in that particular
maybe it was Aztec, but in that particular Mesoamerican belief system,
there were no such things as accidents. So if you accidentally,
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you know, tripped and hurt somebody, then you would be
treated as though you had a purposely planned and attack them.
But anyway, and we still don't understand gravity. We don't
understand all gravity effects the human rain. So there may
be some infinitesimal gravitational pull in the developing brain based
on the positions of heavenly bodies that could alter the
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personality in some way. That's my best scientific defense of astrology. Hey, well,
astrology in that in that way aside, let's talk about
this guy's research, because while he didn't, you know, he
wasn't able to really connect these two things, human behavior
and solar cycles in a concrete way. There's like people
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haven't stopped attempting to make some kind of connection there, right,
decades after his death, and thanks for getting us back
on track. Sorry about that. Decades after his death, continuing
research shows that there may be some sand to at
least the bones of his ideas, the structure of it.
Uh there there may be there may be some uh,
(37:52):
some siding and roofing to the bungalow. And so neuroscientists
over to m n T have shown they can influence
people those moral decisions through the use of magnets. Magnets can,
as we know from any like h T, M S
or T C d S fans. We know that magnets
can disrupt parts of your brain, change the way it functions.
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There's very compelling evidence that you can create the feeling
of being in the quote unquote zone through the use
of these kinds of stimulations electromagnetic simulation. It's probably still
under the realm of don't try this at home. I
got really close to you know, I I built one.
Uh it's which was dumb to do, but I stopped
(38:40):
using it because as there's fairly compelling evidence that has
damaging long term cognitive effects. Can you can be cool
for a short term, pretty smart and stuff, but then
twenty years later, who knows anyway, So we know we
know that's true. We know that what what that proved
to us is that electro magnetic processes can affect the
(39:05):
human mind. So at least one assumption of this guy
seems valid. Well, and as we have discussed previously on
this show, when you're thinking about the magnetosphere, the the
essentially the way the Earth functions as a giant dipole magnet,
I mean, it's it's it's bigger than that, it's it's
(39:26):
more complex than that. But if you look at it,
the the actual magnetics of what the Earth is generating,
and then how that it gets gets affected by solar
wind and the Sun itself and everything. Where the magnetosphere
can change shape, where it can have there could be
less shielding essentially, and or more shielding depending on what's occurring.
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If that t DCS, you know, connection with the human
brain is there, I could totally see how there would
be a connection there. Maybe it's just not as solid
as should Sky was was hoping. Yeah, it doesn't go
all the way to proving what he said that that
essentially that war is a natural cyclical process, just like
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a sun cycle. That's what he said. And that's a lot.
But what what we do know is that we have,
years after his death, we have proven that electromagnetic magnetic
activity can affect the human mind. Let's introduce another character,
a guy named Abraham liebof Yeah, he was a professor
(40:32):
at Oakland University in the physics department, and he had
been studying the effects of electromagnetism on human health since
the late nineteen sixties. UM So what he does is
he studies tiny magnetic fields that are generated by people
that are capable of being affected by these extremely low
frequency electromagnetic fields e l F's elves elves elves, and
(40:58):
these are extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields in people's environments.
They can pick up or disturbances in the Earth's magnetic field.
And he's done experiments on how these disturbances might affect
social behavior as well. Yeah, yeah, so here's here's what
his theory is. He's created this electro magnetic theory of consciousness,
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and similar to Chaijevski, he says, okay, consciousness is a
product of these small magnetic fields that are generated by
neurnal flows in the brain. He says that this magnetic
field is probably minuscule. It's on it's around like a
hundred nano tesla, which without getting two in the weeds,
(41:44):
just so you know, is very We're talking very small time,
very very small time. Smaller than a micro machines version
of a tesla, smaller than a bread box, right still.
I don't know much about bread boxes, but it's smaller.
I think he's designed to hold us single loaf of bread.
Here we go. It's basically a bread case. But you
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can make loaves of so many sizes. You know, your
standard loaf size, standard loaf size the kindly he filed
away in the in the grocery store. So he says,
given that billions of these interactions can be happening in
the brain any time, it could produce a larger electric field.
Like all all these tiny things could add up to
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something larger. And if this larger field is the sum
total of all the fields generated by all neuronal activity
in the brain at a given moment, then maybe that
is what consciousness is. Maybe it's just the interaction and
the collaboration of these different, tiny, tiny magnetic fields. If
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he yeah, if he is right, then that means that
these tiny electromagnetic fields generated by the brain are capable
of being influenced by other alpha extremely low frequency fields
such as this is spooky, such as those generated by
other people. Now this gets into mentalism. Is this gets
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this gets away from what could be considered proven methodologies.
There are a lot of scientists that would have a
problem with this next idea. What he's saying is that
these the interaction of these fields between what are different
human beings, uh, could could lead to them having effects
that we don't really understand on one another. So in
(43:33):
situations where the two people really close to each other,
like when a child is in its mother's womb, or
when two people are having intercourse their fields, their magnetic
brain fields, their consciousness. Things might be interacting kind of
bumper carring indi one another, and there is something kind
of beautiful about that about you know, brain magnet powers
(43:54):
bringing us together. Let's go a step further. If that
is true, and a lot of ifs we're adding up.
Ifs here, then the interaction between earth geomagnetic field and
the electromagnetic field of the Sun could affect the way
ions interact with biological entities, meaning that it could also
(44:17):
possibly influence their behavior. The breen magnets just get bigger,
is what he's saying. Or the magnets get bigger, and
then the massive magnets doing the same thing as as
two people bumper carring into each other. Yeah, it's the
the Sun and Earth just sort of having intimate moments
(44:39):
since we're family show, and then everything we call organic
life just happens to be in the same bed. Yeah,
and the moon is just like pesky roommate that's like, hey,
hey stopped, Oh come on, hey, he's where He's using
his arm to show us the orbit of the moon.
That's why I cant away talk and it comes around. Yeah,
(45:02):
I thought it always well done. So so what does
that mean? Does Lieboff then support Chijevski The answer my surprise. Yeah.
In an interview advice, he notes, quote, I'm not a
follower of Chijevski. I think of him as sort of
an amusing prelude to my present area of work. What
I'm saying is amusing prelude for the first time, there
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is a possibility of causation that goes along with this
great number of correlative information in terms of the effects
the sun has on living things. Maybe there's something there.
There's an increase in suicides as correlatable whistler activities, so
why not social unrest. So he's kind of saying, yeah,
(45:46):
jejeff Ski's He's all but saying Jeffsky is cute, But
I'm the real scientist here, which I don't, you know,
I don't want to detigrade anyone's work. Yeah, but there's
a difference between a chemist and an alchemist. Right, So
maybe that's maybe that's where he's coming from, the big
question where does this leave us? Now? Well, Reba, we
(46:09):
are currently at the very end of solar cycle twenty four.
As we said, solar cycles are numbered. Starting from seventeen
fifty five, we're gonna reach the solar minimum or we
have reached solar minimum around late. That means that solar
cycle twenty five is hitting the horizon near you very
(46:30):
very very soon. Uh. This will hit peak solar activity
sometime between twenty twenty three and twenty six. But cycle
seems set to have lower activity in general than preceding cycles.
In fact, the last four cycles, the last forty four
years ish, have exhibited a trend of weakening solar activity.
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And as we know, things like people still gotten fights
across the planet over the last forty four years, in
great amounts of unrest in regions across the world. Right
over those forty four years. Think about what that on encompasses.
(47:17):
I mean the sixties, the Cold War, Oh yeah, the
Cold War. Various violent coups developing world, South America, the
Middle East, they're just in the United States alone, like
the the terrible things that have occurred with an angry individual. Um,
(47:41):
let's just keep naming off horrible things that have happened.
Let's see, Uh, various violent coups in Western Subharan Africambe. Yeah, yeah,
Harambe as well, maybe a little lower on the list
of terrible things. But no, no, no, we should keep it.
(48:02):
Uh let's see, I mean, but there have been shining
moments in in the last forty four years to like, um,
the Master of Disguise. Yeah, just off the top of
my head. Police Academy four, there we go. See, you know,
don't give up on humanity yet. Was there a Police
Academy five or was four as deep as it went?
I you know, I wouldn't be surprised. Let's let's look
(48:24):
at that directive video. Maybe I just feel like, really,
as a as a genre, Police Academy for was the end?
Part of art is knowing when to put the brush down.
With that being said, Police Academy five Assignment Miami Beach
was released in I don't remember them going to Miami Beach. Yeah,
(48:44):
you know, I stopped it four. I think the true
fans all stopped at four, right, right, So so here
we are. We we would assume then if this is
a predictive model, if the sun really is the they
and stuff they don't want you to know of this
episode and is conspiring to put humans on a doomed
(49:05):
cyclical path to war. Then we have to ask ourselves,
can we predict these activities right? These conflicts? Now again,
you'll notice in jejeff Ski's arguments he's purposefully being pretty general.
A detractors would say he's being uh, frustratingly vague. But
(49:29):
we also have to remember that solar forecasting is pretty new,
especially in comparison to daily weather forecast. And thank you,
of course to all the meteorologists in the audience. You
are doing a wonderful job. We know the weather system
is huge, globally interconnected and tricky. So I just don't
want to sound like I don't want to sound like
(49:50):
we're being rude to UH forecasters because they can't do
a thing that is currently impossible to do. It's like
a pilots can't really fly, you know that they get
in planes. That's right, as those planes that are flying,
those guys are just pulling levers. Yeah, they just they
just know how to operate incredibly sophisticated and dangerous machines,
(50:14):
hitting all those buttons and checking gauges, landing and taking
off and not killing people, doing quick mathematics that I
could never do in my entire life. Yeah, no, Lie,
I get anxiety seeing the films from the fifties and
sixties where there's one person back there who's in charge
of everything that like the three D position of the
(50:36):
plane relative to everything else, and they just have a pencil. Dude, Uh,
really quick tangential thing. And I know we're wrapping up here.
My son had to do He had to pick out
his favorite book and then dress up like a character
from his favorite book today at school. Um, do you
guys want to guess, like what character he chose. It's
(50:59):
it's almost tangential to this that we just said Superman. Okay, Okay,
Paul says, Pepper Pig Sun Raw Sun Raw Rat. That
would have been incredible. Okay. Okay, wait wait wait wait,
we're talking about pilots, um pilots, pilots, famous pilots. Okay, Okay,
(51:23):
it's not Frank Abcneil Jr. Porco Rosso. Okay, it's not
Porco Rosso, Howard Hughes. It's not how Hard Hughes. It's
not Bluey did someone from Police Academy. It is Neil Armstrong.
His favorite book currently is one of these that's like
I am it's one of those books and Neil Armstrong
he loves it. He loves the concept of being an astronaut.
(51:45):
And today he put on his astronaut outfit and his
helmet and he went to school carrying his book and
told everybody about it was awesome. They hold it aloft
like you were just doing that's Are you guys gonna
let him eat space food? Oh yeah, he already had.
He's quite a bit. Oh yeah, there's some gross versions
of space food. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. The only
(52:06):
good one is the ice cream. That's the one that's
like the crowd favorite. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. We also stocked
up on m R. Rays here, we've got many. Um. Yes,
that is amazing. And I I hope that he you
know what, I hope he's sticks with it. I hope
(52:27):
he becomes an astronauts. He's reaching for the stars. Man.
There we got the very least. He got us into
space camp. My dude is going to space. That's so cool.
So here's where we leave Alexander Seveski. His ideas did
not meet with very much support in his lifetime, to
(52:48):
say the least. In ninety two there was this guy
was a big deal in the USSR at the time
his name was Joseph Stalin heard of him, I think, yeah,
he's a real pill. He became aware of Jeff Ski's research,
including this book he published in called Physical Factors of
(53:09):
the Historical Process and more of a pamphlet an argument
uh and Stalin's people asked the scientist to retract his
writings on solar cycles. You see, they contradicted Soviet theories
about the reasons for the Russian revolutions, first in nineteen
o five and then in nineteen seventeen. Yeah, the politics
(53:29):
got in the way, just like with Galileo if you
think about it. So, the political climate of the U.
S s R was such that all of history had
to be portrayed as this inevitable, if slow, painful march
towards the ultimate eternal victory of the proletariat, toward the
worker's paradise. We like, history is over, we are at
(53:51):
the eternal present now right vero And arguing that this
was just another series of conflicts that weren't particularly special,
that they were dictated or influenced by nature, UH was
was first off very problematic and more heretical. The idea
that that meant these would inevitably happen again. We were
(54:13):
not done with war. We're just waiting on the sun
to be in a bad mood or in that this
proletariat paradise is just one next step, you know, there's
like they're an infinite number of steps after right, that's
a speech, and so, like Galileo, he refused to recant,
and he was arrested. He was hauled off to a
gulag for eight years. He was released in nineteen fifty
(54:35):
sort of. He was taking a Kazakhstan where he did
science and coal mines for eight years as a form
of Soviet rehabilitation. But now we're still you know, one
thing you said before we started recording today, matt um.
So we're very we're very much in the early days
of any research on this. I don't know, like what
(54:56):
what do you guys think, Like is this just a
case of cherry picking evidence? That's the thing that bothers me.
That's one of my reservations, Like how there are so
many wars, there's so many conflicts. Furthermore, there are so
many that perhaps this scientists would not have been aware
of at that time. It feels dangerously easy to go
(55:16):
back and just sort of kind of like you are
alluding to old just go back and kind of fit
in things that go with your confirmation bias. I'm gonna
put this out here, this connection between the Sun's activity
and humanity's brain patterns and our and you know what
(55:37):
we choose to do from a behavioral perspective. It's still
something that is very much in at least sections of
the scientific interest into inven there's a study it was
called Sunspot dynamics are Reflected in Human Physiology and path
of Physiology. And it's something you can read if you
(55:59):
go to the site that Ben and I I know
for sure and Noel go to every once in a a while.
It's the U s National Library of Medicine, National Institutes
of Health. You can find journals there and you can
read an abstract. UM I would say look into this
because it's trying. It's really weird. It took this huge
longitudinal study of pap smears and um I believe it
(56:22):
was self reported breathing and oxygen levels in males, and
it was just looking at within these solar minimums and
maximums whether or not there was any kind of change,
like if you're if you're looking at the some of
the scientific testing there the pap smears, like, we're what
were the rates of infectious diseases that were found during
(56:45):
the maximums versus during the minimums? And again it seems
like a good way to maybe make a connection. But
again it's like to data sets that don't necessarily have
anything to do with each other. And if you make
those correlations, then uh it perhaps it is just in
the eye of the researcher, just putting that out there.
But then again there was another one, UM, and this
(57:08):
one had to do with heart rates, just looking at
heart rates and these you know, the solar cycles. That one,
by the way, if you want to look for it
is long term study of heart rate variability responses to
changes in the solar and geomagnetic environment the tope UM.
But it's just and that was so just knowing that
(57:29):
even now this interest is still there in finding a
connection depending on what it is UM, And I'm very
much interested to see if something more concrete can be
established at some point in the near future. And what
if what if we get to a point where that
kind of that kind of correlation does have approvable causation,
(57:51):
how does that change the activity of the human species
on the planet do we have? You know what I
mean is are we realistically ever going to have a
a society where someone says, Okay, guys, you know, I
know we've had some religious or ideological disagreements, but we're
at like maximum excitability, so let's just hold off for
(58:15):
three years. Let's just let's just chill for three years,
and then let's come back and talk. I don't think
humans are capable of that, but if if science can
prove that, um, the bones of it are interesting enough
that we should continue research on this. We want to
hear from you. What do you think, folks? Is this
(58:36):
a case of cherry picking evidence and and mistaking correlation
for causation, or are we emotional slaves to the sun
our first god? Or or is it something in between?
Let us know. You can find us on Facebook, you
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(59:21):
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Twitter app Ben Bullen H s W tossed the ball
back to you. Uh, Matt f Yes, I don't have
any socials right now at the moment. I can't find them.
There there, there somewhere. I just can't find them. But
what I can tell you is that Steve Guttenberg is
very excited when about Police Academy eight, which maybe coming
(59:45):
to us at some point, guys. According to screen ran
dot com from he was getting all hyped up about
Police Academy eight. Maybe it was the six and two
others post Miami Beach. Yeah, there's one called under Siege.
I think that was six. You know, I've gotta I
(01:00:07):
gotta check the sun cycle before there is a lot
of new information for me. I really did just stick
with four. You know, I'm you know, well, Gutenberg's excited.
So yeah, but Police Academy for was divisive, and that's
what art should do. It looks yes, we gotta get
out of here and we do have together I would
say if there is gonna be another Police Academy, now
(01:00:30):
is the time for it to just like show up
on Netflix one day and everybody would go, hey, all right,
Sun made that happen. Maybe he's just the season for
a new police Academy. Because Police Academy seven Mission to Moscow.
That sounds somehow familiar. Oh so that's the real title.
That is. We have a we have a phone number
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Um oh wait yeah it is three minutes. Um. I
(01:01:34):
was just wondering if you have any thoughts on big pharma,
uh killing type one diabetics with rising influent prices. Thanks
for all you do. I gotta go there. They're catching up. Uh. Thanks,
I'll keep listening now. To be fair, when we agreed
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are accelerating the prices of insul it. Yes, but you
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(01:02:16):
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did you ever think that maybe? Uh, we and everything
we believe is real, is actually just a projection from
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the Sun. Uh, We're we're in this weird way three
dimensional projections of a two dimensional space or object that
is behind or a part of our sun. Totally okay,
cool because you can. You can read about that on
the internet right now. Stuff they don't want you to
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