January 3, 2022 • 52 mins
A disgruntled Tesla owner blows up his car rather than paying thousands of dollars for a new battery. In an equally explosive development, technology allows a paralyzed man to post a tweet... simply by thinking about it. All this and more in this week's Strange News.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
(00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Alexis code named doctor Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this the
stuff they don't want you to know in the new year.
Congratulations to you, specifically you, if you are hearing this now.
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You made it through one, which is not a thing
everybody can say. It's something anyone could say, but not
everyone necessarily mean. All right, I like that. Let's just
stay optimistic, guys. We definitely made it through which was
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a really neat year. Now the four of us are
recording this and the very last week of the year,
so we all have to be super careful to make
sure that to make sure that we're uh, we're able
to hear this in two as well. But you know,
it's been it's been a crazy you know, we already
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did talk a little bit at the very end of
the year about all the difficult things that have happened
with us and with our our fellow listeners, with the
entire stuff they don't want, you know, family, and we're
just so glad that you are hanging out with us. Uh,
we have we have some some very very strange news here.
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We um it's funny, maybe a way to get into
today's conversation. No, you know, Matt and I earlier we're talking,
we're just shooting the breeze and we're talking about Tesla's
and there are a lot of Tesla's now in Atlanta
where we record this podcast. And I had that moment,
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you guys know, I'm gearhead kind of and I had
that moment where I was like, I don't know, man,
I think maybe I could one day like buy a
used Tesla. And then and then we were we started
talking about you know, just briefly. It's it's weird, folks,
It is weird when Matt Noel and I were Paul
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and code named Doc and I. When we hang out
off air, our conversations sound like shorthands sometimes because we
already know our positions on stuff like well, like Matt,
what was it? We're like, yeah, but you can't repair it.
You can't fix a tesla, right, and and then I
think we both just had the right to repair um
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segments and episode just streaming through our minds, and like
if anybody had been standing next to us in that conversation,
it would sound like we were just speaking in keywords
for a second. You know. Yeah, we like to speak
in Google searches two outsiders. That's what we do on
this show quite often. I mainly like to speak in tongues.
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And by the way, per you're you're knocking on wood
request for us making to the end of the year. Officially,
I just decided not going to leave my house. Um,
but you never know, I mean a jet engine could
crash into my house. And speaking of that, no spoilers
at all. Anyone looking for a new TV show to
watch that is about a pandemic but not a bummer,
(03:52):
I highly recommend this show Station eleven. It is so good,
you guys. And they dropped episodes. Oh they dropped two
episode this past Thursday. And I'm just absolutely obsessed. And
I kind of realized I like appointment viewing. I think, um,
during the pandemic, we all kind of got like spoiled
by binging stuff but I really like having to wait
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like a cliffhanger, a proper cliffinger. It's good for your constitution,
you know. But you're right, Ben, We talk a lot
about the right to repair on the show. It is
sort of a hot button issue for certain people. Um.
People kind of resent being told what they can and
can't do to their property. Um. And yeah, you can
get your Tesla repaired, but you literally have to get
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permission to do it, like from Tesla or get it
done at a Tesla service center. And as we know,
batteries and these things can be incredibly expensive. And Ben,
if you were in the market for used Tesla, you
may well be looking at a model s until you
we are the full details of the story, perhaps because
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a a finished man named Thomas Container and he ran
into a real kind of quandary, a conundrum um with
with the old Tesla with old Elon. Not directly, you know,
but we will just consider this. He's watching down on
the proceedings from on high, you know, from in his
his space capsule or whatever wherever he's orbiting. Um, so
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this guy, uh contain in Um, he really liked the
Tesla for he clocked it in about nine hundred and
thirty two miles or fifteen kilometers, where he thought the
car ran excellently. Um really enjoyed the vehicle. But then
all of a sudden, after ninety two miles which just nothing, uh, nothing, blip,
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he started getting all these error codes in the car
started like stalling out, and all kinds of weird things happened.
And he brought it to a Tesla dealer, like you
have to do, Um, and they kept it for more
than a month before they let him know, Hey, buddy,
so UM about that model S. The dropped off. We
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can't really do anything for you. Unfortunately, you're gonna have
to pay six hundred dollars that's U S. D Um
for a brand new battery after nine hundred and change
miles driving this very very expensive car. Um. It looks
like a model S used in Finland today is just
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a little more than dollars. So he's about halfway there.
The battery, it's not bad, it's not bad. I think
we probably could maybe maybe that's just in Finland. I
don't know if they would be more or less expensive
in Finland. I'm not really sure how that works. Um.
Maybe year his his is okay, okay, so do we
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do you know how many miles were on it prior
to him getting it or anything like that, like how
much used to know? You know, that's a little confusing, guys,
because for it to only have ninety two I'm not
sure if that means it was from zero. That surely
doesn't mean that. So it sounds like he got it
used in the first place, so we already had some
miles on it. He drove it for nine d three
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two miles on top of whatever was on the odometer
before that before we started having problems. But that's not
detailed particularly well in this story. So apologies for the
confusion there, but I can't imagine that it would have
been like a purely zeroed out brand new tesla Um,
although it's a little unclear, But the point is this, Uh,
he was very annoyed, understandable because like you said, I mean,
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like I said, a used models in Finland now goes
for about hundred dollars um and they're asking him to
fork out twenty two thousand, six hundred dollars for this
brand new battery and that would probably be just for
the part, like, not even for the labor. I'm assuming there,
so he kind of came up with he had a brainstorm,
you're kind of one of those brain light bulb moments,
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you know, and he decided, you know what, Tesla of
Elon Musk and the you know, iron sci fi horse
that he wrote in on with laser eyes, and Uh,
I'm not gonna get this car repaired at all. I am,
in fact, going to team up with some demolition experts
and YouTubers and blow the thing to hell with uh
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somewhere in the neighborhood of sixties six pounds of dynamite, which,
by the way, you guys, you know, the dynamite is
pretty cheap. It's just say a couple but just a
couple of bucks a pound. Isn't that nuts for something
that's so destructive that it's like so affordable. Um, And
he did just that, And there's a really great video
that you can see. Uh if you go to YouTube
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and just like type in the name of the channel.
It's a little hard to pronounce, it's thank you, thank
you for being the one to butcher that one. Yeah,
mix mix ski means right riti Uh test Lana is
the name of the video. So you can check that
out on YouTube. Um, I'm sorry that that was just
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the headline from the you know, the still the tile
or whatever. But the actual UM account is called palm
me jatcott pum pum me jot cott and that don't
forget about the omlouts there. It's spelled p O m
m I j a umlout t k a m aloud.
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I think that's probably palm e jick kit j jit
kit because of the uh and that roughly translates to
bomb dudes, uh if you if you pop that into
Google trains uh. And by the way, the original reporting
on this is from a really cool article in Gizmoto
by Jodi Serrano. UM, and I'm gonna pick up a
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couple of places, but that was the one that I
looked at for this and got turned onto the clip.
And the clip is incredible. First of all, these guys
are like, um MythBusters level precision demolition dudes. I mean really,
it's obviously their thing. They um, they essentially fasten like
these giant bundles of t n T. And it's not
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the kind of tea. It's not you're not your Grandpapa's
t n T mind. It's not like the sticks with
the fuses. It looks sort of like giant casings of sausage,
you know, And they actually screw them onto the side
of the car all the way around degrees, you know,
with maybe like a foot space in between, and they're
long enough that they go from the top of the
body right under the window to the bottom right below
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the door the door and there sequence they're struck together exactly.
They are one chain reacts with the next one and
so on. Um. And the cool thing is like these
guys are pros. They they film it from multiple angles
with these really really really high deaf like over cranked
like phantom cameras. I'm not super camera ner, but I
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think those are pretty fancy. Uh, and you get to
see it, um blow up in spectacular fashion, like it
literally there's nothing left. And they even talk about in
the video like how they have to plan it because
they have to figure out what the direction of the
shock wave will be because there's a lot of T
N T, and also which direction the explosion is. Um.
Excuse me by the way, I say at three D degrees,
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that's not true. It's only loaded up on one side
and that is literally so they can control the direction
of the explosion if it's going to explode from one
side outward in the other direction, which is facing a
rock wall. They did this in a really really cool
old quarry uh in a small town called Jala, which
is a very rural town in the southern part of Finland.
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And thirty ms for anybody in the US of dynamite
is sixty six pounds, so they're they're not messing around here. Also,
we have to we have to point out something for
anybody is not familiar with Scandinavian countries or with Finland
in particular, it is crazy expensive to buy a car
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there in the first place. You know, there's there's a
lot of there's a out of taxation. You know that
the government is structured differently. But part of it I
think is due to very high tax they have for
road maintenance because it's such a hostile total environment. So
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so this guy is just so you know, like this
is even more of a flex. Folks. It's not as
though Matt just bought a used Tesla in the US
and then blew it up at like a Matt, what
would be the kind of party where you would blow
up a Tesla in a celebratory matter. Probably just a
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New Year's party. But how about one of those gender
revealed parties. Tall Grass doing some real dull dry grass
on a hill in California. I can't imagine that if
this model is worth almost forty three dollars in Finland
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right now, that you couldn't salvage something from it and
actually makes some money back. But I guess I'm just imagining.
I'm trying to imagine how much YouTube money you can
actually make. That's actually what I was about to bring up.
The video has almost five million views, and what did
we say? A million views equals about a thousand dollars typically.
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I think that's that's a metric i'd heard in the past.
I don't know if that's true, if it's higher or lower.
So not a ton of money compared to the twenty
four thousand. Uh, not clear what this dude does for work.
I mean, he bought a Tesla in Finland. He's probably
not hurting for money. I think he did it more
like an f you like I said to Ellen, and
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then the whole you know, testa operation in the video
they actually like they there's a helicopter involved. They drop
an effigy of Elon musk wearing a helmet from a
helicopter and then put him in the passenger seats. So
they're not only are they blowing up a tesla, they're
blowing up literally burning alive and effigy of Elon musk Um.
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So maybe there's some some witchcraft going on here too,
perhaps some sort of ritualistic thing. I don't know. Uh,
it does appear to be more about the gesture than
about making YouTube money. Five million of us. There's nothing
to sneeze at um and this only came out on December,
so in the life of the video, I don't know
if they made a deal, you know, I was in
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some kind of deal letting them blow up as tesla.
He's probably getting the cut of that, I would imagine,
but again I didn't see. It doesn't seem like he's
in it for the money. It seems like he's in
it for the spectacle, because at the end of the
video they asked him, Uh, they ask him something along
the lines of is it better to have a working
tesla or exploding the car with sixty six pounds of dynamite?
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And he says sort of both. Maybe more explosion, maybe
more explosion. So yeah, that's the story. Um, I fully
embrace this dude's flex here. Uh, And I think this
is a is an interesting way of making a statement
and putting your foot down, you know, with with old
Papa Elon. But you know, it takes all kinds. We're
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gonna pause for a word from our sponsors and we'll
be back with more strange news. All right, we're coming back,
and we just need to keep talking about this whole
Tesla thing. There's more to it. Let's jump in just
to make really quick point here that not related directly
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to this. I'm thinking about these newer vehicles that are
all electric or or a hybrid system, something that is
way more complicated than a normal, you know, combustion engine
vehicle where there's kind of a bar. It's not a
low bar, but it's an achievable bar where you can
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just you listening to this or any of us could
repair a car to some extent if we could get
access to parts. Um, you know, that's a traditional combustion
engine vehicle. But with one of these newer car ours,
it's so much more difficult, just due to the specificity
of parts and how they function together. Right, the number
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of actual working parts and the number of those that
are electronic. I'm imagining us. We're talking about predictions for
two and beyond, just like where we're headed when it
comes to access to not only you know, money, but
access to proprietary tools for example, you know, like maybe yes,
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and a lot of the bad things that we can
kind of see on the horizon where it's gonna lesson.
I think many people's access to being able to do
things like paying a lot of money to repair a vehicle,
but we also need to do those things, at least
that's what you know, we believe, uh, in order to
save ourselves. So like we really just we're really great
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at finding ourselves. In Catch twenty two's across the board,
you know, I start reading some of the comments on
the Gizmoto article and then there's you know, there's definitely
a good back and forth going on about this very thing.
Uh Rips says on the comments, have to ask permission
to fix his own bloody car. What Backwards asked, nonsense
is this If I told my dad this story, he
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lose his He repairs classic cars, and it's always complaining
about new stuff. This might be one of the few
times I agree with them, to which someone replies, and
I think they're making a point here. Ask any farmer
about repairing modern farm machinery, because as we know, that
was a big part of the whole right to repair thing. Too.
Is that a lot of like John Deere and these
more modern tractors are starting to use more electronic components
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and you do have to ask their permission or get
them to do it. And farmers don't like that because
you know, sort of an old school profession and you
want to be able to be self sufficient. That makes
you feel like you're not and you're like beholden to
some corporation. That's one of the really challenging things about this.
We've received some great correspondence from people who work in
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agricultural communities or agricultural industries who are confirming the same thing. Obviously,
uh here, it's stuff they want you to know. We
we've talked extensively about the idea of the right to repair.
I think this just shows us sure, it's a flex right,
it's ostentatious. It is something that the majority of people
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living in Finland or even the world probably could not
afford to do, even if they wanted to. I don't
think there are a ton of people who are in
the blow up cars for fun echelon of society, at
least not you know, new nice cars. But what this
means is that we are seeing in microcosm the larger
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frustration of consumers like do you actually own Tesla? If
you buy one? Like do you actually own anything? If
you are required to continually pay not just for maintenance,
but you're required to continually pay of things that are,
honestly in terms of materials, should be free, like software updates,
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Like why are there things that you have to unlock?
Like you guys remember back in back in the day
when more people were buying video games on disc, You
would get a disc in some cases that had all
the stuff for the game, all the stuff you could
ever imagine, but you would have to pay. What's the
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bad one? Is the e A? Are they? The people
don't care for Activision, people don't care for Blizzard, people
don't care for but it was already on the disc
you as can start. None of None of the big
video game companies are particularly known for being a very
kind and cuddly to their employees or their users, because
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ben to your point, nowadays they used to have to
release a game and it was done because he couldn't
patch it because it wasn't connected the internet. Now they
can put out half finished garbage like that cyberpunk debacle
because as they know that they can patch it, and
they'll rush it out to meet the holiday demand and
then they'll put out a half finished buggy piece of crap.
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Not everyone, but yeah, I think we're all on the
same page here. The idea is that you are you
are paying more for someone to flip a switch essentially.
Of course, there's a lot of time and effort that
goes into this that the argument is that's what you're
paying for. But also I gotta say this, I know
it will be controversial, like, yes, Ellen Musk is not
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a perfect person. Yes, Tesla as a company has problems,
But all you have to do is like look through
history at the times people other than the big three
car manufacturers try to make cars. They were shut off
down multiple times. It is very difficult to create a realistic, feasible,
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sustainable car that doesn't also rely on existing infrastructure, like
you know, like the oil trade or various sweetheart deals
with steel manufacturers. So I'm just saying in defense of Tesla,
they did something extraordinary and amazing, and in defense of
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our finished friends here because I like his vibe. Twenty
two brands, twenty for a battery. Why am I whispering
elm must doesn't listen to the show? Twenty two dollars?
That's crazy. I don't know if it's probably, I mean
almost certainly. Yeah, you gotta wonder. I mean, like, you know,
as it made of magic and gold, uh and and
platinum or something. I just you know, I'm sure there's
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materials costs. I mean, you know, you pay for what
you get, like it's definitely, but also why is it failing?
You know, you think? See, I wish we had a
little more information. I wish we knew if he bought
the thing brand spaking New off the lot and it
was nine and thirty something miles and then it failed.
If that's the case, that would be grounds for a lawsuit.
I mean, that's insane. They would have to reply. Would
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be a lemon law I would think would would protect
someone against getting jip to that degree. The only thing
I can assume is that it was used and he
drove it for nine miles past what it was already
at Um, that's the only thing that makes any sense.
But somebody put it up for sale after the battery
started giving him. So if that's the case, a little
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less sympathetic for this guy, you know what I mean.
If he got an aftermarket car without a warranty, then yeah,
he's probably gonna have to pay what he's gonna pay. Well,
you know, you guys got me on the car vibe here,
but I also hit up real quick. Well, there's one
thing that I think could be instructive here to give
us some context on his perspective, because this is still,
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you know, newer technology. It's a new car company or
new work car company. Back when automatic transmissions were mainstreams
folks started around like the sixties, midnight fifties. They are
trading in their automatic transmission cars when they hit about
thirty thousand miles because that's when parts of the transmission
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started messing up, and it was literally cheaper to just
buy a new car than to start having to continually
fix your transmission. So he clearly made a calculation. I mean,
he's smart guy. Um, I just I don't know. I
would love to hear from someone else who's blown up
a car in a healthy situation. I blew up my
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car just by not taking proper care of it and
my younger stupider, less um responsible car ownership days. I
had a Volkswagen Golf and I just I literally drove
it into the ground and left it, abandoned it at
an auto place, like like I I had a toad
or something and it was in the middle of nowhere
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and I ended up getting picked up and I just
never went back and got it. I'm not proud, but
it just was pouring black smoke, and it was always
overheating at stop lights and horrible things. But now I
treat my sweet sweet hon to Fit with all the
love and affection that it deserves. Then you made the
point about the car makers like going up against the
big car makers like a new person in town. Well,
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I don't know if you've seen the news about Rivan
and Georgia and how in this car manufacturer startup is
building a five billion dollar factory in Georgia, our state
where we live, and they are going to make electric vehicles. Specifically,
there's a Rivian electric truck that's made the rounds and
it's so strange to me in this world right now
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they are considered the third largest car manufacturer in the world.
They've got zero dollars in revenue. You can read about
that on cn net right now. You can search for that.
You can search about how they just went public and
they've got all of this money but they haven't begun
to make any vehicles yet. But they're building a five
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billion dollar place to build these special vehicles. That reminds
me a lot of a company called Workhorse that did
something very similar. Um they had yet to build more.
They had like a prototype version or on that, but
it was the electric vans, and they had a they
were up for a big government contract through the US
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Postal Service, and then they didn't get it and their
stock tanked, and it is it's similar to what you're
talking about. They had like facilities, they were claimed to
be ready to move, but they actually had never made
a single vehicle yet or something very very weird. And
then that I haven't followed up on that story, but
that that was a big debacle for that company. Emperor
has No Clothes exactly. As it turns out, a lot
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of nuance and stuff to discuss within this story that
is ultimately on the surface kind of goofy um so,
thank you guys for all the different directions we took
this and let's take ourselves in the direction of an
ad break and then we'll be back with more strange news.
And we have returned. Uh. Now this is this is
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a new year for us, It's a new year for
all our fellow listeners, all the stuff they want to
know gang as well. So we wanted to spend some
time talking about new things. We've got some we We've
got one story we actually decided to hold for an
episode in the future. Uh spoiler alert. Things are getting
(26:31):
very judge dread in a non cool way over across
the Pacific. Stay tuned for that. For now, we were
thinking we would do something a little bit um I
would say, inspiring, a little bit uh exciting. There is
currently a great debate and you've heard it on this
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show before fellow conspiracy realists about the future of human
interaction with technology. Well, humans all becomes cyborgs? Will humans
all become inherently gnostic with some digital version of that
living almost separately from the physical version. Yes, and yes, yes,
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and yes, yes again and sometimes yes. Kudos the mat
also Man for h for making the choice not to
go to the theater to see the Matrix. I was.
I was on the fence too. That was a tough decision,
and I'm glad that you made the same one, so
I didn't feel so bad. Yeah, and no, you didn't
go to the theater for the Matrix yet, did you know?
(27:35):
I did. I started watching it. I watched about the
first ten minutes or so, and then I kind of
just drifted off. I'm not saying I'm not going to
revisit it. I do hope to enjoy it. I'm not
as big of a matrix head as some, but I'm
excited to give it a shot. I'm hearing mixed things,
but I definitely A'm gonna I want to be part
of the conversation. Yeah, is what like the first time
in my life I avoided spoilers, which is a very
(27:56):
weird place for me to be. But anyhow, one of
the things that we talked about with the future of
technology when we are going into the future here was
how silly it may seem to future generations too. Hear
us telling stories about interacting with technology with our hands
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very soon within your lifetime. As you're listening to this,
it is quite possible that Typing on a keyboard may
seem as archaic as using a landline rotary phone. For
anyone younger, the audience doesn't know what those are. Phones
used to just be these single function devices, and instead
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of a keypad you would have this weird little circle
and you would turn that circle clockwise to put it
exactly to put in numbers. And that already sounds so old.
But we're reaching a hands free future now. For the
first time in official human history, a man who was paralyzed,
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human being who was paralyzed was able to post a
tweet without their hands, without the use of anybody part
other than the brain. So congratulations to Philip o'keith in Australia.
Philip is sixty two years old. Philip has a condition
(29:26):
called amyotrophic lateral splerosis, and he was, with the help
of a brain implant, able to make a tweet through
the power of thought alone. He manifested it. You could say,
that's pretty cool. So how does this do dad work?
So this is a thing called a brain computer interface
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or b c I. Because we're all weirdly in love
with acronyms here, this goes back to our alarm musk conversation,
because the technocrats of the world very much want to
do things like this, the Musk, the Zuckerberg's, the bezos
bases of the world. His implant comes from a company
(30:10):
called Synchrome, and they want to develop this implant as
a Think of it like a prosthetic, right, Like, if
you are missing a hand and your relatively privileged, you
can get any number of prosthetic devices that will attempt
to perform some of the functions of your biological late hand.
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In this case, they're putting this prosthetic. That's the way
they would like to describe it, this implant as a
they're putting this prosthetic into his brain to replace some
of the other functions that he's lost due to his condition.
Do you think that's an optics thing then? Like a
pr the implant sounds too creepy in sci fi. Yeah,
(30:54):
you know, I was thinking about that too. You know,
we live in a world where people are rightly skeptical
often about invasive technology, right and and sometimes, uh, sometimes
you'll hear people freezing a vaccine as an invasive technology.
That was quite controversial for a while. Uh, And that's
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because of things like the Tuskegee experiments. Just to be
very candid with this idea. You know, we talked about
the concept of ADS supported implants. Remember that it was
It was a number of months ago. I think we
were all sort of thought experimenting. We were exploring the
idea of an implant that would allow you access to
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the Internet. And it gets very black mirror. Um, what
was that episode where the guy has to watch ads? Well,
that's that's a number of merits was the name of
the end game currency that allows you to skip the
ads by spending these merits, and you earn them by
doing an exercise bike that I guess. I think it
turns out powers the world. That's pretty much done. Well,
(32:04):
he gets a YouTube show at the end. There's some
version thereof But this this conversation we had really stuck
with me. We were talking about that kind of devil's bargain,
that kind of Faustian deal. You know, you can you
don't have to type anything, you don't have to have
a physical device with you. You just have to sit
through and add for the new two thousand six dollar
(32:28):
Tesla model Lesque battery before you can before you can
hear the weather or the news. Uh. I also have
the guy's tweet if you would like to hear that.
It's pretty awesome. Yeah, it is pretty awesome. This is
coming from Thomas Oxley. Thomas Oxley is not the guy
with the implant. Thomas Oxley is the sincron ceo. The
(32:50):
tweet that you see, which is from o'keith, just says
no need for key strokes or voices. I created this
tweet just by thinking hashtag Hello world, b C I
this I don't know. I mean, things are different now
now that we know this is feasible and possible, there
are going to be a lot of eyes on O'Keefe
(33:12):
to see what is cognitive development is like, to see
whether this affects him. But I'm gonna say it, I'm torn, guys.
I see this as partially I see this as profoundly
inspiring and it could be amazing for so many people,
but it's also kind of dangerous. I think a lot
of people have impulse problems. I've woken up in the
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past and like looked back on the day before and thought,
glad I kept that one in drafts. You know what
I mean? I agree that what we need to talk
about is how it physically functions, how the technology functions.
If can we do that ben really quickly? Yeah, yeah,
let's walk through it. So when you're going to get
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one of these things, let's say, like this person we're
discussing today, you have a LS and you're unable to,
you know, function the way you used to function or
would like to function with your like full body paralysis
right and its advanced stages. Yes, yes, exactly, So you've
got something like that, or maybe you're just like you
(34:18):
right now, whatever your system, however your system functions. They
would go in and they said they went through his
jugular vein. How do they how do they keep me
from bleeding out when they do it? As it goes
or whatever? But it's definitely a dangerous procedure. I imagine
I've been over here wincing a little bit of problems
(34:39):
with inner internal body stuff. But they would go through
and across the top of the brain there's this like
mesh strip that kind of lays there and somehow beyond me,
your like the motor what is it? The neurons, the
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things that your brain does, the signals your brain sends
in order to achieve movement still occur. This thing picks
it up, but then down through your body in your chest.
Inside of your body, there's a wire that goes down
and then implanted under your skin. There's a little like
a magnetized thing here, right. And then in order to
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actually use this system, you have a separate I don't
machine that has a transmitter on it and a little
piece that connects to that thing that's in your chest,
and then that's what's physically sending signals to another device
attached to your computer or your network. Right. Yeah, And
it's about the size of a match stick. The actual
(35:42):
stent throad itself. There's a great picture of it on
the Independent article that you linked to us, and oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a it doesn't look like something you would want inside.
You just gonna make that call like it doesn't. That's
the thing this is not. This is not super convenient
at this point, but this this idea where this actual
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this idea is an older idea, but for it to
actually happen changes a great deal of of industries in
ways that we can't understand. This is so new that
human civilization the smartest, the smartest apes around Still I
(36:26):
would guess have no idea what future applications of this
could be it could be deep brain stimulation for Parkinson's um.
If you look at that independent article we mentioned, you
will see exactly how this system works. I would say
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you could call it counting the human. You could call
it kind of a five components system. You have to
have a computer, right, you have to have an eye
tracker on that computer, have to have the SCU signal
control unit. You have to have this implant, and you
have to have that thing going into your vein. The
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thing is is this is not convenient. This is not
something you're gonna see Instagram influencers do as a flex
just yet. But it works so quickly after like after
they put it in. Uh, it took about four hours
for it to input texts on a computer. And O'Keefe
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received this in April, so he's had it for a
while before. It was before he was tweeting on December.
And that's just so, I don't know, it seems like
too powerful unless there was a way to unless there
was a way to make sure that you know, someone's
(37:53):
mind didn't wander while they were thinking their tweet or
while they were thinking their comments auto forum, etcetera. UM,
this This feels like it would make things potentially very awkward,
Like as soon as you can transmit images rather than texts,
you can will run into some weird stuff. Also, this
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is maybe the first in the field in this regard,
but it's a harbinger, it's not a novelty. One of
the other things Tesla is working on is the Neuralink,
which starts human trials this year. And yeah, I gotta say,
when I first read that tweet, Ben, I couldn't help
but think about what was the the line that Alexander
(38:38):
Graham Bell said down the line the first ever phone
call that was transmitted was like, come, I need help
or something he had like spuilt some asset or something
like that. And this this made me think of that.
This just doesn't mean, you know, it's a different kind
of worms, but it certainly is historical. And for people
like this guy who actually need this to be able
to function, uh comfortably, I think this is an incredible
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But you're right, all these impulse n f T bro
weirdos that doesn't want to like shove a brain computer
in there for funzies. That concerns me. And there's already
been just for just for the record. There's already been
an extensive, extensive body of work on applying this technology
(39:20):
to non human animals like McCall. Monkey has been able
to play rudimentary video games using these kind of transmission devices.
It's coming, It's it's on the way, is the point. Yeah.
If you go to the what's the name of the company,
Ben Synchron Synchron, If you go to their website, you
(39:43):
linked us to that Ben and you can find if
you click on I think technology, you can see all
of this laid out how it actually functions. And I'm
imagining maybe wrong here, but from the images and text
on their website, I'm imagining that this functions a lot
like uh, the interface Stephen Hawking head with his mouth
(40:04):
where he could move a cursor essentially, because it's showing
it looks like, um, a text box right where you've
got a through Z zero through nine comma period and
then using this neuralalink, you can you know, your mind
is just in putting a single character at a time,
the way you would be typing if you're just using
(40:24):
one finger, one finger. I'm just like, right now, it
seems like they're putting things in place that will limit
some of the things you know you're talking about, Ben, Like, oh,
there's an image that now gets published on my Instagram
page or something. But you can totally see how that,
you know, take it two or three steps down the
line and that's whoops, that's exactly what's happening. Yeah. Yeah,
(40:49):
And there's there's a really interesting story with the creator
of Stintrode and Synchrome Oxley himself. He's a neurologist and
he is also working on the idea of applying this
technology to physical movement, by which I mean, like, imagine
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if you are paralyzed from the neck down, Uh, what
if this could allow you to operate a motorized wheelchair,
or what if this could because exoskeletons are on the
way to don't forget about that, folks, what if this
could allow you to operate an exoskeleton of some sort.
(41:31):
Yeah that, Like, I think we're all still processing this
because it is so new, it is so fraught with
potential danger and potentially amazing noble things with this. We
would love to hear your ideas. Do you think you're
the kind of person who could have a brain implant
(41:54):
and not like accidentally post fart jokes on your social media,
you know, acts like the butt dialing of the future
is a whole new ball game. Cybro. It's mind dialed you, Cybro,
mind dialed you. So at this point we're in the
(42:14):
realm of predictions and thought experiments, and I have to
ask you guys, and I have to ask everyone listening,
do we have any predictions for any hot takes? Well?
I got one from this story we're talking about in
there's gonna be an announcement that we're developing the first
(42:36):
mex that will have human neuropilots who will actually be
attached and control with their minds. That's gonna happen, and
it's gonna be an announced thing, but it won't come
out for yeah, five years, and because of the neural load,
they'll have to they'll have to be co piloted. Right,
I'm thinking of Pacific rim. Yeah. I wish that. I
(42:58):
wish there was a third Pacific row. So great, giant monsters,
giant robots. God. Yeah, what a great prediction, Matt. I
hope you're right. I hope you're right. My second prediction,
I'm just gonna get you two in a row and
then I'll be done. Alright. The cme that I've been
predicting for you know, years now, is gonna come right, Yep,
(43:21):
it's gonna happen. It's gonna wipe out all the mex
that are in development. Dang it, this roller coaster. I'm
thinking full mad Max, post apocalypse kind of situation. Guzzaline
becomes the new currency. Um, you know, utter dust bowl
(43:45):
sweeping across the globe. Um, you know, weird face masked
warlords that we have to worship, shiny and chrome. Where
is the thunder dome located? Hasn't We'll get to that. Okay,
it'll it'll be in a very um. You won't be
you won't. You won't be able to miss it, Matt,
I picture like a chain, like a franchise of thunderdomes,
(44:08):
you know. But okay, so a little bit dystopian, but
you know that's that feels like an honest one. Maybe
it'll be a slow, incremental decline. But shout out to
all those theories about the expiration date of Empires. I'm
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Russia is on some around
(44:29):
and find out with the Ukraine. I don't think I
don't think they're gonna take the entirety of the country. Um.
But you know, as you know, at least we talked
about the soft air CRIMEA was until like nineteen fifty
four considered part of Russia, and it wasn't until Stalin
quote unquote gifted it, um that it became part of
(44:54):
or officially part of Ukraine. And uh, I believe that
right now the bellic those signals that Russia is sending
their paint, they're doing something very dangerous which we always
need to watch out for in international politics. They are
presenting a case of self defects. They are framing this
(45:16):
as though NATO North Atlantic Treaty organization is encroaching and
they're setting it up at least they're they're attempting to
set it up as being something like we Russia have
to protect ourselves from these aggressive imperialistic war mongers. And
(45:38):
and of course you know that's not the perspective of
most people in Ukraine. It's not the perspective of most
people in NATO. But yeah, that's I think that's a
flashpoint to look out on. Also China and India, the
border disputes may have left Western news, but there's still
very much in play. That's another flashpoint. Um, I would
(46:01):
say also, we're going to see more artificial intelligence or
machine learning applied to entertainment industries, like the albums coming
out with AI producer Slash DJ, and it'll be kind
of a gimmick. Um, there's a lot of people doing
that in n f T form. Actually a buddy of mine,
(46:22):
um who goes by the drum operator on Instagram. He's
also the drummer for this band called bit Brigade that
does like live soundtracks of Nintendo games while a dude
like speed runs. He's making all of these generative music
n f T s still over my head, but he's
been in the space for a hot minute. Um, and
pretty cool. It's actually a useful type of n f
(46:44):
T and not just a dumb what lazy lion or
stupid monkey. Yeah, I've got I'll just run these last
three by guys real quick between Yeah, this is a
real one, the other two being sill. Uh. This is
real because of problems with ever Grand and several other
(47:06):
major property developers in China and the really the free
fall that's occurring right now and has been for the
past several months in the property market in China. I
think there's going to be global effects from that, and
I think there's going to be another property crash or
value crash like globally or at least within the United
(47:29):
States as a result of that. Seriously, yeah, well said,
check out our episode on the problem of foreign investment
in real estate. I think we did an okay job
not being uber nationalistic about it or anything, but but yeah,
that will be a continuing problem. We are going to
(47:49):
see climate crises. I don't know if the Maldives will
go underwater just yet, but it is currently in the
running to be the first country that will no longer
have its original physical territory. It might have to become
an exclave. Uh COVID will will still be around. It's
(48:12):
weird how quickly things become normalized for people. There will probably, unfortunately,
be some political assassinations. That's just sort of are for
the course. UH inequality will accelerate, it's happening. Climate refugees
are already thing. Um. One prediction, because endeavoring to be positive.
(48:34):
One prediction I can have I can say with certitude,
and it's one that I think will make all of
us happy, is I predict that if you are listening
to this, you will write to us, you will contact us.
We can't wait to hear from you. Uh, Matt, No,
I'm pretty sure we're safe with that prediction, right, definitely,
(48:55):
And if not, then you only have yourselves to blame,
none of us. You guys. Well you can make this prediction.
You can make this prediction. No, Matt, No, not this time,
not this time. Well, so there we are. We want
to hear your predictions for We want to hear your
(49:19):
ideas about the future of right to repair. We want
to hear your ideas about the future of increasingly embedded
technology in humans. Are you for it? Or again it?
As they used to say? Uh? And and we are
going to keep doing this show until the lights go out.
(49:40):
I can't you know. I'm thinking a macro level now,
like what what are we gonna are we gonna look
back on this episode in like the first week of
and and say something like, dang, Noel was super pressent
on that mad Max thing or crap, Matt should be
a real estate mogul because he hold it. Well. We
(50:03):
want to hear your We want to hear your predictions, folks.
Get them in, Get them in so we can share
them with your fellow listeners. And then we'll meet back
again this time next year, knock down to see what
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(50:25):
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of all that Topo Chico you drink and all the
p F A S in it. Uh, it'll be fine.
I'll let you know my predictions if you write to
(50:46):
I'm just choking. I've hoped, but that really was a
kick in the pants reading about Topo Chico. Oh boy,
yeah yeah, Well what is life if not to be lived?
Bat and also intensely disappointing. Yeah so, uh. If you
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My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Alexis code named doctor Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this the
stuff they don't want you to know in the new year.
Congratulations to you, specifically you, if you are hearing this now.
(00:48):
You made it through one, which is not a thing
everybody can say. It's something anyone could say, but not
everyone necessarily mean. All right, I like that. Let's just
stay optimistic, guys. We definitely made it through which was
(01:09):
a really neat year. Now the four of us are
recording this and the very last week of the year,
so we all have to be super careful to make
sure that to make sure that we're uh, we're able
to hear this in two as well. But you know,
it's been it's been a crazy you know, we already
(01:32):
did talk a little bit at the very end of
the year about all the difficult things that have happened
with us and with our our fellow listeners, with the
entire stuff they don't want, you know, family, and we're
just so glad that you are hanging out with us. Uh,
we have we have some some very very strange news here.
(01:56):
We um it's funny, maybe a way to get into
today's conversation. No, you know, Matt and I earlier we're talking,
we're just shooting the breeze and we're talking about Tesla's
and there are a lot of Tesla's now in Atlanta
where we record this podcast. And I had that moment,
(02:17):
you guys know, I'm gearhead kind of and I had
that moment where I was like, I don't know, man,
I think maybe I could one day like buy a
used Tesla. And then and then we were we started
talking about you know, just briefly. It's it's weird, folks,
It is weird when Matt Noel and I were Paul
(02:40):
and code named Doc and I. When we hang out
off air, our conversations sound like shorthands sometimes because we
already know our positions on stuff like well, like Matt,
what was it? We're like, yeah, but you can't repair it.
You can't fix a tesla, right, and and then I
think we both just had the right to repair um
(03:04):
segments and episode just streaming through our minds, and like
if anybody had been standing next to us in that conversation,
it would sound like we were just speaking in keywords
for a second. You know. Yeah, we like to speak
in Google searches two outsiders. That's what we do on
this show quite often. I mainly like to speak in tongues.
(03:29):
And by the way, per you're you're knocking on wood
request for us making to the end of the year. Officially,
I just decided not going to leave my house. Um,
but you never know, I mean a jet engine could
crash into my house. And speaking of that, no spoilers
at all. Anyone looking for a new TV show to
watch that is about a pandemic but not a bummer,
(03:52):
I highly recommend this show Station eleven. It is so good,
you guys. And they dropped episodes. Oh they dropped two
episode this past Thursday. And I'm just absolutely obsessed. And
I kind of realized I like appointment viewing. I think, um,
during the pandemic, we all kind of got like spoiled
by binging stuff but I really like having to wait
(04:12):
like a cliffhanger, a proper cliffinger. It's good for your constitution,
you know. But you're right, Ben, We talk a lot
about the right to repair on the show. It is
sort of a hot button issue for certain people. Um.
People kind of resent being told what they can and
can't do to their property. Um. And yeah, you can
get your Tesla repaired, but you literally have to get
(04:34):
permission to do it, like from Tesla or get it
done at a Tesla service center. And as we know,
batteries and these things can be incredibly expensive. And Ben,
if you were in the market for used Tesla, you
may well be looking at a model s until you
we are the full details of the story, perhaps because
(04:55):
a a finished man named Thomas Container and he ran
into a real kind of quandary, a conundrum um with
with the old Tesla with old Elon. Not directly, you know,
but we will just consider this. He's watching down on
the proceedings from on high, you know, from in his
his space capsule or whatever wherever he's orbiting. Um, so
(05:19):
this guy, uh contain in Um, he really liked the
Tesla for he clocked it in about nine hundred and
thirty two miles or fifteen kilometers, where he thought the
car ran excellently. Um really enjoyed the vehicle. But then
all of a sudden, after ninety two miles which just nothing, uh, nothing, blip,
(05:41):
he started getting all these error codes in the car
started like stalling out, and all kinds of weird things happened.
And he brought it to a Tesla dealer, like you
have to do, Um, and they kept it for more
than a month before they let him know, Hey, buddy,
so UM about that model S. The dropped off. We
(06:02):
can't really do anything for you. Unfortunately, you're gonna have
to pay six hundred dollars that's U S. D Um
for a brand new battery after nine hundred and change
miles driving this very very expensive car. Um. It looks
like a model S used in Finland today is just
(06:26):
a little more than dollars. So he's about halfway there.
The battery, it's not bad, it's not bad. I think
we probably could maybe maybe that's just in Finland. I
don't know if they would be more or less expensive
in Finland. I'm not really sure how that works. Um.
Maybe year his his is okay, okay, so do we
(06:49):
do you know how many miles were on it prior
to him getting it or anything like that, like how
much used to know? You know, that's a little confusing, guys,
because for it to only have ninety two I'm not
sure if that means it was from zero. That surely
doesn't mean that. So it sounds like he got it
used in the first place, so we already had some
miles on it. He drove it for nine d three
(07:11):
two miles on top of whatever was on the odometer
before that before we started having problems. But that's not
detailed particularly well in this story. So apologies for the
confusion there, but I can't imagine that it would have
been like a purely zeroed out brand new tesla Um,
although it's a little unclear, But the point is this, Uh,
he was very annoyed, understandable because like you said, I mean,
(07:32):
like I said, a used models in Finland now goes
for about hundred dollars um and they're asking him to
fork out twenty two thousand, six hundred dollars for this
brand new battery and that would probably be just for
the part, like, not even for the labor. I'm assuming there,
so he kind of came up with he had a brainstorm,
you're kind of one of those brain light bulb moments,
(07:53):
you know, and he decided, you know what, Tesla of
Elon Musk and the you know, iron sci fi horse
that he wrote in on with laser eyes, and Uh,
I'm not gonna get this car repaired at all. I am,
in fact, going to team up with some demolition experts
and YouTubers and blow the thing to hell with uh
(08:18):
somewhere in the neighborhood of sixties six pounds of dynamite, which,
by the way, you guys, you know, the dynamite is
pretty cheap. It's just say a couple but just a
couple of bucks a pound. Isn't that nuts for something
that's so destructive that it's like so affordable. Um, And
he did just that, And there's a really great video
that you can see. Uh if you go to YouTube
(08:39):
and just like type in the name of the channel.
It's a little hard to pronounce, it's thank you, thank
you for being the one to butcher that one. Yeah,
mix mix ski means right riti Uh test Lana is
the name of the video. So you can check that
out on YouTube. Um, I'm sorry that that was just
(09:01):
the headline from the you know, the still the tile
or whatever. But the actual UM account is called palm
me jatcott pum pum me jot cott and that don't
forget about the omlouts there. It's spelled p O m
m I j a umlout t k a m aloud.
(09:22):
I think that's probably palm e jick kit j jit
kit because of the uh and that roughly translates to
bomb dudes, uh if you if you pop that into
Google trains uh. And by the way, the original reporting
on this is from a really cool article in Gizmoto
by Jodi Serrano. UM, and I'm gonna pick up a
(09:43):
couple of places, but that was the one that I
looked at for this and got turned onto the clip.
And the clip is incredible. First of all, these guys
are like, um MythBusters level precision demolition dudes. I mean really,
it's obviously their thing. They um, they essentially fasten like
these giant bundles of t n T. And it's not
(10:04):
the kind of tea. It's not you're not your Grandpapa's
t n T mind. It's not like the sticks with
the fuses. It looks sort of like giant casings of sausage,
you know, And they actually screw them onto the side
of the car all the way around degrees, you know,
with maybe like a foot space in between, and they're
long enough that they go from the top of the
body right under the window to the bottom right below
(10:27):
the door the door and there sequence they're struck together exactly.
They are one chain reacts with the next one and
so on. Um. And the cool thing is like these
guys are pros. They they film it from multiple angles
with these really really really high deaf like over cranked
like phantom cameras. I'm not super camera ner, but I
(10:49):
think those are pretty fancy. Uh, and you get to
see it, um blow up in spectacular fashion, like it
literally there's nothing left. And they even talk about in
the video like how they have to plan it because
they have to figure out what the direction of the
shock wave will be because there's a lot of T
N T, and also which direction the explosion is. Um.
Excuse me by the way, I say at three D degrees,
(11:11):
that's not true. It's only loaded up on one side
and that is literally so they can control the direction
of the explosion if it's going to explode from one
side outward in the other direction, which is facing a
rock wall. They did this in a really really cool
old quarry uh in a small town called Jala, which
is a very rural town in the southern part of Finland.
(11:33):
And thirty ms for anybody in the US of dynamite
is sixty six pounds, so they're they're not messing around here. Also,
we have to we have to point out something for
anybody is not familiar with Scandinavian countries or with Finland
in particular, it is crazy expensive to buy a car
(11:55):
there in the first place. You know, there's there's a
lot of there's a out of taxation. You know that
the government is structured differently. But part of it I
think is due to very high tax they have for
road maintenance because it's such a hostile total environment. So
(12:16):
so this guy is just so you know, like this
is even more of a flex. Folks. It's not as
though Matt just bought a used Tesla in the US
and then blew it up at like a Matt, what
would be the kind of party where you would blow
up a Tesla in a celebratory matter. Probably just a
(12:36):
New Year's party. But how about one of those gender
revealed parties. Tall Grass doing some real dull dry grass
on a hill in California. I can't imagine that if
this model is worth almost forty three dollars in Finland
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right now, that you couldn't salvage something from it and
actually makes some money back. But I guess I'm just imagining.
I'm trying to imagine how much YouTube money you can
actually make. That's actually what I was about to bring up.
The video has almost five million views, and what did
we say? A million views equals about a thousand dollars typically.
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I think that's that's a metric i'd heard in the past.
I don't know if that's true, if it's higher or lower.
So not a ton of money compared to the twenty
four thousand. Uh, not clear what this dude does for work.
I mean, he bought a Tesla in Finland. He's probably
not hurting for money. I think he did it more
like an f you like I said to Ellen, and
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then the whole you know, testa operation in the video
they actually like they there's a helicopter involved. They drop
an effigy of Elon musk wearing a helmet from a
helicopter and then put him in the passenger seats. So
they're not only are they blowing up a tesla, they're
blowing up literally burning alive and effigy of Elon musk Um.
(14:02):
So maybe there's some some witchcraft going on here too,
perhaps some sort of ritualistic thing. I don't know. Uh,
it does appear to be more about the gesture than
about making YouTube money. Five million of us. There's nothing
to sneeze at um and this only came out on December,
so in the life of the video, I don't know
if they made a deal, you know, I was in
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some kind of deal letting them blow up as tesla.
He's probably getting the cut of that, I would imagine,
but again I didn't see. It doesn't seem like he's
in it for the money. It seems like he's in
it for the spectacle, because at the end of the
video they asked him, Uh, they ask him something along
the lines of is it better to have a working
tesla or exploding the car with sixty six pounds of dynamite?
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And he says sort of both. Maybe more explosion, maybe
more explosion. So yeah, that's the story. Um, I fully
embrace this dude's flex here. Uh, And I think this
is a is an interesting way of making a statement
and putting your foot down, you know, with with old
Papa Elon. But you know, it takes all kinds. We're
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gonna pause for a word from our sponsors and we'll
be back with more strange news. All right, we're coming back,
and we just need to keep talking about this whole
Tesla thing. There's more to it. Let's jump in just
to make really quick point here that not related directly
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to this. I'm thinking about these newer vehicles that are
all electric or or a hybrid system, something that is
way more complicated than a normal, you know, combustion engine
vehicle where there's kind of a bar. It's not a
low bar, but it's an achievable bar where you can
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just you listening to this or any of us could
repair a car to some extent if we could get
access to parts. Um, you know, that's a traditional combustion
engine vehicle. But with one of these newer car ours,
it's so much more difficult, just due to the specificity
of parts and how they function together. Right, the number
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of actual working parts and the number of those that
are electronic. I'm imagining us. We're talking about predictions for
two and beyond, just like where we're headed when it
comes to access to not only you know, money, but
access to proprietary tools for example, you know, like maybe yes,
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and a lot of the bad things that we can
kind of see on the horizon where it's gonna lesson.
I think many people's access to being able to do
things like paying a lot of money to repair a vehicle,
but we also need to do those things, at least
that's what you know, we believe, uh, in order to
save ourselves. So like we really just we're really great
(16:47):
at finding ourselves. In Catch twenty two's across the board,
you know, I start reading some of the comments on
the Gizmoto article and then there's you know, there's definitely
a good back and forth going on about this very thing.
Uh Rips says on the comments, have to ask permission
to fix his own bloody car. What Backwards asked, nonsense
is this If I told my dad this story, he
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lose his He repairs classic cars, and it's always complaining
about new stuff. This might be one of the few
times I agree with them, to which someone replies, and
I think they're making a point here. Ask any farmer
about repairing modern farm machinery, because as we know, that
was a big part of the whole right to repair thing. Too.
Is that a lot of like John Deere and these
more modern tractors are starting to use more electronic components
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and you do have to ask their permission or get
them to do it. And farmers don't like that because
you know, sort of an old school profession and you
want to be able to be self sufficient. That makes
you feel like you're not and you're like beholden to
some corporation. That's one of the really challenging things about this.
We've received some great correspondence from people who work in
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agricultural communities or agricultural industries who are confirming the same thing. Obviously,
uh here, it's stuff they want you to know. We
we've talked extensively about the idea of the right to repair.
I think this just shows us sure, it's a flex right,
it's ostentatious. It is something that the majority of people
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living in Finland or even the world probably could not
afford to do, even if they wanted to. I don't
think there are a ton of people who are in
the blow up cars for fun echelon of society, at
least not you know, new nice cars. But what this
means is that we are seeing in microcosm the larger
(18:41):
frustration of consumers like do you actually own Tesla? If
you buy one? Like do you actually own anything? If
you are required to continually pay not just for maintenance,
but you're required to continually pay of things that are,
honestly in terms of materials, should be free, like software updates,
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Like why are there things that you have to unlock?
Like you guys remember back in back in the day
when more people were buying video games on disc, You
would get a disc in some cases that had all
the stuff for the game, all the stuff you could
ever imagine, but you would have to pay. What's the
(19:28):
bad one? Is the e A? Are they? The people
don't care for Activision, people don't care for Blizzard, people
don't care for but it was already on the disc
you as can start. None of None of the big
video game companies are particularly known for being a very
kind and cuddly to their employees or their users, because
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ben to your point, nowadays they used to have to
release a game and it was done because he couldn't
patch it because it wasn't connected the internet. Now they
can put out half finished garbage like that cyberpunk debacle
because as they know that they can patch it, and
they'll rush it out to meet the holiday demand and
then they'll put out a half finished buggy piece of crap.
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Not everyone, but yeah, I think we're all on the
same page here. The idea is that you are you
are paying more for someone to flip a switch essentially.
Of course, there's a lot of time and effort that
goes into this that the argument is that's what you're
paying for. But also I gotta say this, I know
it will be controversial, like, yes, Ellen Musk is not
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a perfect person. Yes, Tesla as a company has problems,
But all you have to do is like look through
history at the times people other than the big three
car manufacturers try to make cars. They were shut off
down multiple times. It is very difficult to create a realistic, feasible,
(20:57):
sustainable car that doesn't also rely on existing infrastructure, like
you know, like the oil trade or various sweetheart deals
with steel manufacturers. So I'm just saying in defense of Tesla,
they did something extraordinary and amazing, and in defense of
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our finished friends here because I like his vibe. Twenty
two brands, twenty for a battery. Why am I whispering
elm must doesn't listen to the show? Twenty two dollars?
That's crazy. I don't know if it's probably, I mean
almost certainly. Yeah, you gotta wonder. I mean, like, you know,
as it made of magic and gold, uh and and
platinum or something. I just you know, I'm sure there's
(21:41):
materials costs. I mean, you know, you pay for what
you get, like it's definitely, but also why is it failing?
You know, you think? See, I wish we had a
little more information. I wish we knew if he bought
the thing brand spaking New off the lot and it
was nine and thirty something miles and then it failed.
If that's the case, that would be grounds for a lawsuit.
I mean, that's insane. They would have to reply. Would
(22:02):
be a lemon law I would think would would protect
someone against getting jip to that degree. The only thing
I can assume is that it was used and he
drove it for nine miles past what it was already
at Um, that's the only thing that makes any sense.
But somebody put it up for sale after the battery
started giving him. So if that's the case, a little
(22:26):
less sympathetic for this guy, you know what I mean.
If he got an aftermarket car without a warranty, then yeah,
he's probably gonna have to pay what he's gonna pay. Well,
you know, you guys got me on the car vibe here,
but I also hit up real quick. Well, there's one
thing that I think could be instructive here to give
us some context on his perspective, because this is still,
(22:46):
you know, newer technology. It's a new car company or
new work car company. Back when automatic transmissions were mainstreams
folks started around like the sixties, midnight fifties. They are
trading in their automatic transmission cars when they hit about
thirty thousand miles because that's when parts of the transmission
(23:10):
started messing up, and it was literally cheaper to just
buy a new car than to start having to continually
fix your transmission. So he clearly made a calculation. I mean,
he's smart guy. Um, I just I don't know. I
would love to hear from someone else who's blown up
a car in a healthy situation. I blew up my
(23:33):
car just by not taking proper care of it and
my younger stupider, less um responsible car ownership days. I
had a Volkswagen Golf and I just I literally drove
it into the ground and left it, abandoned it at
an auto place, like like I I had a toad
or something and it was in the middle of nowhere
(23:54):
and I ended up getting picked up and I just
never went back and got it. I'm not proud, but
it just was pouring black smoke, and it was always
overheating at stop lights and horrible things. But now I
treat my sweet sweet hon to Fit with all the
love and affection that it deserves. Then you made the
point about the car makers like going up against the
big car makers like a new person in town. Well,
(24:14):
I don't know if you've seen the news about Rivan
and Georgia and how in this car manufacturer startup is
building a five billion dollar factory in Georgia, our state
where we live, and they are going to make electric vehicles. Specifically,
there's a Rivian electric truck that's made the rounds and
it's so strange to me in this world right now
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they are considered the third largest car manufacturer in the world.
They've got zero dollars in revenue. You can read about
that on cn net right now. You can search for that.
You can search about how they just went public and
they've got all of this money but they haven't begun
to make any vehicles yet. But they're building a five
(24:57):
billion dollar place to build these special vehicles. That reminds
me a lot of a company called Workhorse that did
something very similar. Um they had yet to build more.
They had like a prototype version or on that, but
it was the electric vans, and they had a they
were up for a big government contract through the US
(25:19):
Postal Service, and then they didn't get it and their
stock tanked, and it is it's similar to what you're
talking about. They had like facilities, they were claimed to
be ready to move, but they actually had never made
a single vehicle yet or something very very weird. And
then that I haven't followed up on that story, but
that that was a big debacle for that company. Emperor
has No Clothes exactly. As it turns out, a lot
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of nuance and stuff to discuss within this story that
is ultimately on the surface kind of goofy um so,
thank you guys for all the different directions we took
this and let's take ourselves in the direction of an
ad break and then we'll be back with more strange news.
And we have returned. Uh. Now this is this is
(26:07):
a new year for us, It's a new year for
all our fellow listeners, all the stuff they want to
know gang as well. So we wanted to spend some
time talking about new things. We've got some we We've
got one story we actually decided to hold for an
episode in the future. Uh spoiler alert. Things are getting
(26:31):
very judge dread in a non cool way over across
the Pacific. Stay tuned for that. For now, we were
thinking we would do something a little bit um I
would say, inspiring, a little bit uh exciting. There is
currently a great debate and you've heard it on this
(26:51):
show before fellow conspiracy realists about the future of human
interaction with technology. Well, humans all becomes cyborgs? Will humans
all become inherently gnostic with some digital version of that
living almost separately from the physical version. Yes, and yes, yes,
(27:13):
and yes, yes again and sometimes yes. Kudos the mat
also Man for h for making the choice not to
go to the theater to see the Matrix. I was.
I was on the fence too. That was a tough decision,
and I'm glad that you made the same one, so
I didn't feel so bad. Yeah, and no, you didn't
go to the theater for the Matrix yet, did you know?
(27:35):
I did. I started watching it. I watched about the
first ten minutes or so, and then I kind of
just drifted off. I'm not saying I'm not going to
revisit it. I do hope to enjoy it. I'm not
as big of a matrix head as some, but I'm
excited to give it a shot. I'm hearing mixed things,
but I definitely A'm gonna I want to be part
of the conversation. Yeah, is what like the first time
in my life I avoided spoilers, which is a very
(27:56):
weird place for me to be. But anyhow, one of
the things that we talked about with the future of
technology when we are going into the future here was
how silly it may seem to future generations too. Hear
us telling stories about interacting with technology with our hands
(28:18):
very soon within your lifetime. As you're listening to this,
it is quite possible that Typing on a keyboard may
seem as archaic as using a landline rotary phone. For
anyone younger, the audience doesn't know what those are. Phones
used to just be these single function devices, and instead
(28:40):
of a keypad you would have this weird little circle
and you would turn that circle clockwise to put it
exactly to put in numbers. And that already sounds so old.
But we're reaching a hands free future now. For the
first time in official human history, a man who was paralyzed,
(29:05):
human being who was paralyzed was able to post a
tweet without their hands, without the use of anybody part
other than the brain. So congratulations to Philip o'keith in Australia.
Philip is sixty two years old. Philip has a condition
(29:26):
called amyotrophic lateral splerosis, and he was, with the help
of a brain implant, able to make a tweet through
the power of thought alone. He manifested it. You could say,
that's pretty cool. So how does this do dad work?
So this is a thing called a brain computer interface
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or b c I. Because we're all weirdly in love
with acronyms here, this goes back to our alarm musk conversation,
because the technocrats of the world very much want to
do things like this, the Musk, the Zuckerberg's, the bezos
bases of the world. His implant comes from a company
(30:10):
called Synchrome, and they want to develop this implant as
a Think of it like a prosthetic, right, Like, if
you are missing a hand and your relatively privileged, you
can get any number of prosthetic devices that will attempt
to perform some of the functions of your biological late hand.
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In this case, they're putting this prosthetic. That's the way
they would like to describe it, this implant as a
they're putting this prosthetic into his brain to replace some
of the other functions that he's lost due to his condition.
Do you think that's an optics thing then? Like a
pr the implant sounds too creepy in sci fi. Yeah,
(30:54):
you know, I was thinking about that too. You know,
we live in a world where people are rightly skeptical
often about invasive technology, right and and sometimes, uh, sometimes
you'll hear people freezing a vaccine as an invasive technology.
That was quite controversial for a while. Uh, And that's
(31:15):
because of things like the Tuskegee experiments. Just to be
very candid with this idea. You know, we talked about
the concept of ADS supported implants. Remember that it was
It was a number of months ago. I think we
were all sort of thought experimenting. We were exploring the
idea of an implant that would allow you access to
(31:40):
the Internet. And it gets very black mirror. Um, what
was that episode where the guy has to watch ads? Well,
that's that's a number of merits was the name of
the end game currency that allows you to skip the
ads by spending these merits, and you earn them by
doing an exercise bike that I guess. I think it
turns out powers the world. That's pretty much done. Well,
(32:04):
he gets a YouTube show at the end. There's some
version thereof But this this conversation we had really stuck
with me. We were talking about that kind of devil's bargain,
that kind of Faustian deal. You know, you can you
don't have to type anything, you don't have to have
a physical device with you. You just have to sit
through and add for the new two thousand six dollar
(32:28):
Tesla model Lesque battery before you can before you can
hear the weather or the news. Uh. I also have
the guy's tweet if you would like to hear that.
It's pretty awesome. Yeah, it is pretty awesome. This is
coming from Thomas Oxley. Thomas Oxley is not the guy
with the implant. Thomas Oxley is the sincron ceo. The
(32:50):
tweet that you see, which is from o'keith, just says
no need for key strokes or voices. I created this
tweet just by thinking hashtag Hello world, b C I
this I don't know. I mean, things are different now
now that we know this is feasible and possible, there
are going to be a lot of eyes on O'Keefe
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to see what is cognitive development is like, to see
whether this affects him. But I'm gonna say it, I'm torn, guys.
I see this as partially I see this as profoundly
inspiring and it could be amazing for so many people,
but it's also kind of dangerous. I think a lot
of people have impulse problems. I've woken up in the
(33:36):
past and like looked back on the day before and thought,
glad I kept that one in drafts. You know what
I mean? I agree that what we need to talk
about is how it physically functions, how the technology functions.
If can we do that ben really quickly? Yeah, yeah,
let's walk through it. So when you're going to get
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one of these things, let's say, like this person we're
discussing today, you have a LS and you're unable to,
you know, function the way you used to function or
would like to function with your like full body paralysis
right and its advanced stages. Yes, yes, exactly, So you've
got something like that, or maybe you're just like you
(34:18):
right now, whatever your system, however your system functions. They
would go in and they said they went through his
jugular vein. How do they how do they keep me
from bleeding out when they do it? As it goes
or whatever? But it's definitely a dangerous procedure. I imagine
I've been over here wincing a little bit of problems
(34:39):
with inner internal body stuff. But they would go through
and across the top of the brain there's this like
mesh strip that kind of lays there and somehow beyond me,
your like the motor what is it? The neurons, the
(34:59):
things that your brain does, the signals your brain sends
in order to achieve movement still occur. This thing picks
it up, but then down through your body in your chest.
Inside of your body, there's a wire that goes down
and then implanted under your skin. There's a little like
a magnetized thing here, right. And then in order to
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actually use this system, you have a separate I don't
machine that has a transmitter on it and a little
piece that connects to that thing that's in your chest,
and then that's what's physically sending signals to another device
attached to your computer or your network. Right. Yeah, And
it's about the size of a match stick. The actual
(35:42):
stent throad itself. There's a great picture of it on
the Independent article that you linked to us, and oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's a it doesn't look like something you would want inside.
You just gonna make that call like it doesn't. That's
the thing this is not. This is not super convenient
at this point, but this this idea where this actual
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this idea is an older idea, but for it to
actually happen changes a great deal of of industries in
ways that we can't understand. This is so new that
human civilization the smartest, the smartest apes around Still I
(36:26):
would guess have no idea what future applications of this
could be it could be deep brain stimulation for Parkinson's um.
If you look at that independent article we mentioned, you
will see exactly how this system works. I would say
(36:47):
you could call it counting the human. You could call
it kind of a five components system. You have to
have a computer, right, you have to have an eye
tracker on that computer, have to have the SCU signal
control unit. You have to have this implant, and you
have to have that thing going into your vein. The
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thing is is this is not convenient. This is not
something you're gonna see Instagram influencers do as a flex
just yet. But it works so quickly after like after
they put it in. Uh, it took about four hours
for it to input texts on a computer. And O'Keefe
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received this in April, so he's had it for a
while before. It was before he was tweeting on December.
And that's just so, I don't know, it seems like
too powerful unless there was a way to unless there
was a way to make sure that you know, someone's
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mind didn't wander while they were thinking their tweet or
while they were thinking their comments auto forum, etcetera. UM,
this This feels like it would make things potentially very awkward,
Like as soon as you can transmit images rather than texts,
you can will run into some weird stuff. Also, this
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is maybe the first in the field in this regard,
but it's a harbinger, it's not a novelty. One of
the other things Tesla is working on is the Neuralink,
which starts human trials this year. And yeah, I gotta say,
when I first read that tweet, Ben, I couldn't help
but think about what was the the line that Alexander
(38:38):
Graham Bell said down the line the first ever phone
call that was transmitted was like, come, I need help
or something he had like spuilt some asset or something
like that. And this this made me think of that.
This just doesn't mean, you know, it's a different kind
of worms, but it certainly is historical. And for people
like this guy who actually need this to be able
to function, uh comfortably, I think this is an incredible
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But you're right, all these impulse n f T bro
weirdos that doesn't want to like shove a brain computer
in there for funzies. That concerns me. And there's already
been just for just for the record. There's already been
an extensive, extensive body of work on applying this technology
(39:20):
to non human animals like McCall. Monkey has been able
to play rudimentary video games using these kind of transmission devices.
It's coming, It's it's on the way, is the point. Yeah.
If you go to the what's the name of the company,
Ben Synchron Synchron, If you go to their website, you
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linked us to that Ben and you can find if
you click on I think technology, you can see all
of this laid out how it actually functions. And I'm
imagining maybe wrong here, but from the images and text
on their website, I'm imagining that this functions a lot
like uh, the interface Stephen Hawking head with his mouth
(40:04):
where he could move a cursor essentially, because it's showing
it looks like, um, a text box right where you've
got a through Z zero through nine comma period and
then using this neuralalink, you can you know, your mind
is just in putting a single character at a time,
the way you would be typing if you're just using
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one finger, one finger. I'm just like, right now, it
seems like they're putting things in place that will limit
some of the things you know you're talking about, Ben, Like, oh,
there's an image that now gets published on my Instagram
page or something. But you can totally see how that,
you know, take it two or three steps down the
line and that's whoops, that's exactly what's happening. Yeah. Yeah,
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And there's there's a really interesting story with the creator
of Stintrode and Synchrome Oxley himself. He's a neurologist and
he is also working on the idea of applying this
technology to physical movement, by which I mean, like, imagine
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if you are paralyzed from the neck down, Uh, what
if this could allow you to operate a motorized wheelchair,
or what if this could because exoskeletons are on the
way to don't forget about that, folks, what if this
could allow you to operate an exoskeleton of some sort.
(41:31):
Yeah that, Like, I think we're all still processing this
because it is so new, it is so fraught with
potential danger and potentially amazing noble things with this. We
would love to hear your ideas. Do you think you're
the kind of person who could have a brain implant
(41:54):
and not like accidentally post fart jokes on your social media,
you know, acts like the butt dialing of the future
is a whole new ball game. Cybro. It's mind dialed you, Cybro,
mind dialed you. So at this point we're in the
(42:14):
realm of predictions and thought experiments, and I have to
ask you guys, and I have to ask everyone listening,
do we have any predictions for any hot takes? Well?
I got one from this story we're talking about in
there's gonna be an announcement that we're developing the first
(42:36):
mex that will have human neuropilots who will actually be
attached and control with their minds. That's gonna happen, and
it's gonna be an announced thing, but it won't come
out for yeah, five years, and because of the neural load,
they'll have to they'll have to be co piloted. Right,
I'm thinking of Pacific rim. Yeah. I wish that. I
(42:58):
wish there was a third Pacific row. So great, giant monsters,
giant robots. God. Yeah, what a great prediction, Matt. I
hope you're right. I hope you're right. My second prediction,
I'm just gonna get you two in a row and
then I'll be done. Alright. The cme that I've been
predicting for you know, years now, is gonna come right, Yep,
(43:21):
it's gonna happen. It's gonna wipe out all the mex
that are in development. Dang it, this roller coaster. I'm
thinking full mad Max, post apocalypse kind of situation. Guzzaline
becomes the new currency. Um, you know, utter dust bowl
(43:45):
sweeping across the globe. Um, you know, weird face masked
warlords that we have to worship, shiny and chrome. Where
is the thunder dome located? Hasn't We'll get to that. Okay,
it'll it'll be in a very um. You won't be
you won't. You won't be able to miss it, Matt,
I picture like a chain, like a franchise of thunderdomes,
(44:08):
you know. But okay, so a little bit dystopian, but
you know that's that feels like an honest one. Maybe
it'll be a slow, incremental decline. But shout out to
all those theories about the expiration date of Empires. I'm
pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Russia is on some around
(44:29):
and find out with the Ukraine. I don't think I
don't think they're gonna take the entirety of the country. Um.
But you know, as you know, at least we talked
about the soft air CRIMEA was until like nineteen fifty
four considered part of Russia, and it wasn't until Stalin
quote unquote gifted it, um that it became part of
(44:54):
or officially part of Ukraine. And uh, I believe that
right now the bellic those signals that Russia is sending
their paint, they're doing something very dangerous which we always
need to watch out for in international politics. They are
presenting a case of self defects. They are framing this
(45:16):
as though NATO North Atlantic Treaty organization is encroaching and
they're setting it up at least they're they're attempting to
set it up as being something like we Russia have
to protect ourselves from these aggressive imperialistic war mongers. And
(45:38):
and of course you know that's not the perspective of
most people in Ukraine. It's not the perspective of most
people in NATO. But yeah, that's I think that's a
flashpoint to look out on. Also China and India, the
border disputes may have left Western news, but there's still
very much in play. That's another flashpoint. Um, I would
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say also, we're going to see more artificial intelligence or
machine learning applied to entertainment industries, like the albums coming
out with AI producer Slash DJ, and it'll be kind
of a gimmick. Um, there's a lot of people doing
that in n f T form. Actually a buddy of mine,
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um who goes by the drum operator on Instagram. He's
also the drummer for this band called bit Brigade that
does like live soundtracks of Nintendo games while a dude
like speed runs. He's making all of these generative music
n f T s still over my head, but he's
been in the space for a hot minute. Um, and
pretty cool. It's actually a useful type of n f
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T and not just a dumb what lazy lion or
stupid monkey. Yeah, I've got I'll just run these last
three by guys real quick between Yeah, this is a
real one, the other two being sill. Uh. This is
real because of problems with ever Grand and several other
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major property developers in China and the really the free
fall that's occurring right now and has been for the
past several months in the property market in China. I
think there's going to be global effects from that, and
I think there's going to be another property crash or
value crash like globally or at least within the United
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States as a result of that. Seriously, yeah, well said,
check out our episode on the problem of foreign investment
in real estate. I think we did an okay job
not being uber nationalistic about it or anything, but but yeah,
that will be a continuing problem. We are going to
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see climate crises. I don't know if the Maldives will
go underwater just yet, but it is currently in the
running to be the first country that will no longer
have its original physical territory. It might have to become
an exclave. Uh COVID will will still be around. It's
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weird how quickly things become normalized for people. There will probably, unfortunately,
be some political assassinations. That's just sort of are for
the course. UH inequality will accelerate, it's happening. Climate refugees
are already thing. Um. One prediction, because endeavoring to be positive.
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One prediction I can have I can say with certitude,
and it's one that I think will make all of
us happy, is I predict that if you are listening
to this, you will write to us, you will contact us.
We can't wait to hear from you. Uh, Matt, No,
I'm pretty sure we're safe with that prediction, right, definitely,
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And if not, then you only have yourselves to blame,
none of us. You guys. Well you can make this prediction.
You can make this prediction. No, Matt, No, not this time,
not this time. Well, so there we are. We want
to hear your predictions for We want to hear your
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ideas about the future of right to repair. We want
to hear your ideas about the future of increasingly embedded
technology in humans. Are you for it? Or again it?
As they used to say? Uh? And and we are
going to keep doing this show until the lights go out.
(49:40):
I can't you know. I'm thinking a macro level now,
like what what are we gonna are we gonna look
back on this episode in like the first week of
and and say something like, dang, Noel was super pressent
on that mad Max thing or crap, Matt should be
a real estate mogul because he hold it. Well. We
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want to hear your We want to hear your predictions, folks.
Get them in, Get them in so we can share
them with your fellow listeners. And then we'll meet back
again this time next year, knock down to see what
what ended up being true? How do I participate, you're saying, Well,
you can find us on social media on Twitter and
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Facebook and YouTube. We are conspiracy stuff on Instagram, we
are a conspiracy stuff show. Right in to tell us
what year you think you're going to develop cancer because
of all that Topo Chico you drink and all the
p F A S in it. Uh, it'll be fine.
I'll let you know my predictions if you write to
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I'm just choking. I've hoped, but that really was a
kick in the pants reading about Topo Chico. Oh boy,
yeah yeah, Well what is life if not to be lived?
Bat and also intensely disappointing. Yeah so, uh. If you
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