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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Null. They called
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you
are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. It's the top of
the week. Uh. This is where my colleagues and I
search the world, the outer reaches of the universe and
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find some uh weird, sometimes funny, sometimes fascinating, sometimes terrifying
stories that maybe haven't gotten their due in mainstream met
So our stories today um touch on the the precipice
of ecological disaster. Uh, they touch on um they literally
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touch on some delicate aspects of diplomacy. And we also
may spoil or alert do some magic like actual magic
with the K Live for You, Live for us, uh
somehow alive in the show today. But I think we're
gonna you're sure we're not just gonna tap some swamps,
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because I mean, I could do that I could get
into that. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Um, what kind of deck
are you building today? It's okay, it's one of those
things that somebody who's listening gets it, they go reference,
and if they don't, it just goes right by. Are
you Are you just making a euphemistic reference to my
story that I'm about to do tapping swamps? No, but
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it does work, and I didn't think about it that way,
and that's gross, but it was just as TG reference. Sah.
But let's let's let's start there. Maybe, Um, let's go
to China where there is you know, you know, it
seems like there's always a conflict between the West and
China these days, but this one in particular is uh,
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it's one you might not expect. People arriving at the
airport certainly didn't. Yeah, it's because it's it's kind of
a hilarious but yet delicate, like you said, been um,
example of how diplomacy really is kind of this like
super super uh tender balancing act. Let's just say you
can't some balancing act can't be tender, but I'm still
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gonna stick with it. So, you know, I think we
may have talked about and then folks may have heard that. UM.
In China, Uh, they have leaned more toward a particular
type of COVID nineteen test. Uh. The Chinese government and
and their scientists feel that it's more accurate. Uh and
it you know does not It uses the same type
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of swab that we use here in the United States. UM,
the ones that you shove up you into your nose
so far up it feels like it's about to tap
your brain and then gently rotated. And I think many
of us have probably had that experience uh self administered.
But in China they stick that probe in a different
place and it's it's your butt and UM, that is
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how they've been doing it. And apparently there's been some
um diplomatic kerfuffle around this notion that US diplomats traveling
to China are you know, being you know when in
China to do as the Chinese do, and that apparently
involves sticking uh anal swabs into uranus or having that
done in order to be able to board that plane
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or or be able to get off that plane. UM.
So there have been reports from outlets here in the
United States of diplomats complaining to have to go through
this um demoralizing proceeds in in their minds demoralizing procedure. Uh.
It's not all over China, it's just certain cities, but
they have been using this claiming that it can, according
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to the BBC reporting quote, increase the detection rate of
infected people. UM and China. It's interestingly enough, being you
know what we consider the epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic
has pretty much done a quite a fine job of
bringing the virus under control. Many would argue a much
better job than we've done here in the United States.
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Uh So. A spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry by
the name of Zao li Jian has denied these claims,
uh saying that China has never required the U. S.
Diplomatic staff station in China to conduct anal swab tests.
Uh So, you know what's going on here? Is this
like a flex Nothing more dangerous or terrifying than a
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bureaucrat with a little bit of power, um, you know,
and maybe a little bit of ill will towards Americans.
Perhaps that's where this is isolated events of of you know,
bureaucrats saying no, you gotta you gotta do the annal
swab test, buddy, um or you're not getting you're not
getting into the country. UM, I'm not sure. It's interesting
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that I love the fact that they're denying it, but
yet they're there are reports of these these claims, of
these complaints being being filed by UH. I mean like
it's official, there's some kind of like you know, official
report being generated. But I don't know, Guys, I would
like take it to the group here. What do you
think if I could just quickly a couple of things
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I want to talk about with this and then we
can have discussion. What the first one is that we
know that your anus, my anus, everybody's anus. It's just
the other end of this tube system that we've got
going on in our bodies, right, and one of the end,
one of one of the ends, right, this is the
first one. That's the other one. Um, we're you know,
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culturally across the globe, there's a lot of taboo associated
with our butts. Um, and scientifically it's there's not that
much of a difference. It's just the it's the it's
the out right um spicy food burns on both ends
because yeah, precisely, and and I'm not saying that I'm
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comfortable with anal swabs. It is like, let's just let's
do it all the time. I guess what I mean
is if there's a scientific reason to use them, then
maybe maybe it's not such a bad thing. And according
to what I've been reading, swabbing there rather than your mouth,
you have a better chance of detecting the virus because
we we know that it collects down there more. There's
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a there's a larger chance of getting a positive if
you have been infected. If you do if it's after
the first week. That's the important part because we're looking
at something time sensitive, So you could you can still
UM test negative but be carrying COVID UH and have
a negative test with an anal swab there. There are
a couple of things about this story the way it's
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been um reported that I think bear further scrutiny. First,
it's not just the US. Japanese officials have been uh
subjected to this NOL. As you said, it's not the
entirety of the country of China. Newsweek's fact check rated
it half true. Uh. The primary question here is one
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of informed consent, and you can hear from the diplomats
themselves or unnamed officials who I guess didn't want their
full title and position being quoted. Where When they complained
about this right the one spokesperson for the State Department
noted that the problem for them was that their their
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organization had never agreed to this method of testing. They
pro tested it. As soon as they found out that
some US mission individuals were subjected to it, they protested
directly to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs UM, as did Japan,
citing psychological distress because you know, we have to realize
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that some of these people who are being told to
do this are the kind of people who were usually
not told to do a bunch of things, much less
have have this kind of test, which they you know,
several people probably considered undignified. Yeah. Well, and that's a
really good point, bn because this really is at the
at the heart of this it's a it's a our
discussion about cultural taboos. Right, Like to to the Chinese,
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he was like, who cares, what's the big deal? It's
a more accurate test. Why the hangups about but stuff?
And in the United States, it's something that people don't
talk about, you know, it's it's considered kind of like
super taboo or like you said, undignified. It's the idea
of something being done to them that is intended to
um in some way cause them distress. And you're and
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you're right now. The Vice World News did a piece
on this a couple of days ago or late last week,
and they quoted this UM statement at the State Department
never agree to this kind of testing and protested directly
to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, like you said, when
we learned that some staff were subject to it. UM.
And and now we have people from the Chinese government
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saying this never happened. Um. So I I'm not quite
sure where this leaves us. Uh, but but also um again.
The Vice article h the headline is China gave us
anal COVID tests in error, American officials saying, yeah, well,
the good news is if you are from South Korea,
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your government has a special deal with China, you can
submit a stool sample that they'll check instead of having
the actual swab. So then it becomes like what feels
more awkward to you, uh, someone you don't know administering
this test or handing someone you don't know a small
jar of your poop and saying I hope everything works out.
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I hope you're the right person. Is this just a
random at the airport taking poop? And if so, why
do you have to do it on the site? Like
do you do you bring it from home? Like? So
many questions. I agreed, yes, so many questions. This is
the way I know you want to keep going. This
is exactly want to bring up. Just let me know
when you're done. I want to bring I want to
bring it back to this. Okay. Another I think a
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point that we do need to emphasize is the the
argument that there is some increased efficacy to the anal
swab or the fecal test because the World Health Organization
doesn't agree. They still recommend respiratory track testing UM because
they give the best samples. They're really worried about that
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week of when that week where there might be a
false negative window. I see, that's interesting. And it's also
if you're testing up here, that's where it's really transferable,
like the most transferable right with a coffer sneeze or
breathing and talkingtyle correct, but the probability is higher that
you would infect others like overall. Right, if you're if
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you're getting it through those droplets, um well. The thing
I wanted to bring it back to Ben and Noll
was that we we just got a new dog from
the shelter. Well, yeah, she's amazing, but I have to
take her in to a vet immediately to get her
anal glands expressed. No, okay, do have to have done.
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I'm sorry. I just found about this and it's disgusting.
I'm sorry I even brought it back to that. It's okay,
but what I do have. What I have to do
today is gather her poop up into in this case
a bag and take it with me to to the doctor,
because it's one of the best ways to take a
look at what's going on inside of her and a
lot of health issues she may be having. So I'm
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just thinking about it in that way. I don't mean
to be the advocate for poop testing overall or global
poop testing, but it does feel like that's not something
I can't remember a time if I've ever done it.
I don't think I've ever had a stool sample tested
from like a doctor or from just a situation from
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a physician, but like testing my gut bacteria and stuff
like I'm interested to know because we science is leading
us closer and closer to showing that our gut bacteria
and everything that's going on down there is highly important.
It's huge. It can also affect aspects of your cognitive state.
Like the fecal transplant stuff you should know as a
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great episode on fecal transplants, I highly recommend that to
anyone interested. But the gut biome, which we've talked about
in previous episodes, Um, I think we're going to see
some amazing research come out in the near to mid
term regarding the potential the medical potential of US, both
as a diagnostic tool and as a way to possibly
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treat or mitigate some ongoing issues that people might have.
With that being said, you know, it's still pretty it's
almost like you could say it's where DNA testing was
maybe ten or eight years ago, right, And so there's
not to my knowledge so far, there's not like a
twenty three and poop that will help set you up
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with a microbiome transfer or analyze your own fecal matter
for you. Just how do you mail it? You know, what?
How does it work? But yeah, yeah, yeah, and tree
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dot com. Yeah, Uh, the problem is, I mean, I
think one of the big points here is that we
do have to ask how much soft cultural taboos stymy
the progress of science or the treatment of disease, you know,
like um, it's also one of the first medical things
people figured out as a species. There are medieval treatises
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a plenty on. Like a thing doctors used to do
back in the day is they would always ask people
for their urine or their feces when they die diagnosed,
i say, their medical conditions, and they would have you
like urinate. This was only for the wealthy people, obviously.
They would have you urinate into a flask and they
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would just like hold it up in the light, shake
it around, sniffett and I want to be too gross,
but they did probably sip a little bit of it
and uh. And this would all be meant as a
diagnostic tool, or at least that's what they said. So
so the species is just better at doing something that
it was already doing. This. This kind of historical context,
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of course, is a cold comfort to someone who has
just been told they can't leave the airports were quarantined
unless they make very good friends with this doctor, I
wonder if it's like a situation where somebody was being
unfriendly or a little bit agrew at the border and
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maybe someone used power that they didn't legally have to
make a mandate. What do you think that? That was
my kind of theory, just the idea of some you know,
bureaucrat or some UH airport worker flexing a little bit
to make a point, literally a point UH stuck three
to five centimeters up the anus and gently rotated. Um that. Yeah,
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I did want to point out that the numbers there
three to five centimeters a lot less than is required
sticking that swab up your nasal cavity. So I would
argue this might be less unpleasant than the nasal tests,
which is highly unpleasant and makes your eye water and
it's it really is a very invasive sensation. Um, you know,
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three to five centimeters up the butt. I'm fine with that.
Seems like a welcomed relief in my book. Well, hopefully
by the time international travel becomes the norm for people
in the US UH, there will be vaccination of plenty
and anal swapping will return an extracurricular exactly. I'm my understanding. Now,
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is it or you know I may be incorrect. You
guys tell me if I'm wrong. So we're talking about
when anal swapping test is most effective. It seems like
it's good for testing. Like you said, Ben, as the
virus is going through your system, so it's almost like
late late in the game, it's moving through your system.
Because that that would make complete sense, and it would
it would also make sense what the um I think
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his name is Lee Tong jing Uh, someone who was
responding to this story, who just said that it's generally
used for people who are in quarantine, so like your
sting to see if this person is ready to exit quarantine. Um. Yeah,
because there's there's that window of time where somebody could
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test negative on a respiratory test, right or a you know,
a nose swab, but they could still test positive on
that anal swab just because of exactly what you're describing,
that the process through which the virus propagates through the body. Well, indeed, Uh,
I think we can probably take a quick sponsor break
(17:32):
if no one else has any burning uh, never mind
burning sensations, never mind, No, No, I'm done. Sorry. I
did eat a lot of hallopenos in a couple of
hoban arrows earlier, so we'll see, wait, a lot of
hallapenos and a couple of haban arrows. Yeah, you are
a glutton for punishment, my friend. But we're gonna take
(17:53):
a quick word from our sponsor and we'll be right back.
And we have returned. We're gonna get weird with it, folks.
I hope you join us for the ride. Let's talk
a little bit about magic, not stage magic, not David Copperfield,
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not mentalist tricks like Darren Brown. Again, highly recommended. If
you want to learn more UH social hacking, do check
out Darren Brown's stuff. We're talking about something old school,
something called a sigil s I g i l from
the Latin for seal, and a sigil is one of
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those things you'll know it. You'll know it when you
see it, even if you've never worked with this kind
of stuff before. In medieval ceremonial magic, this term usually
referred to specific signs that were kind of like think
about it in graphic design terms. They were like the
logos of specific angels and demons, and idea was that
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through interacting with these sigils UH, the practitioner might be
able to also interact with these supernatural, divine, infernal entities,
and you would see list of sigils in grim wis
one of the best examples, probably the Keys of Solomon,
which has uh the sigils of seventy two different alleged
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princes of Hell uh. And you would think of these
if you were a magic practitioner as the true name
of the spirit at hand. That's okay, that's where it
comes from. But sigils, the belief in them uh exists
in the modern day. It's uh. It's weird because sigils,
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like so many other things, maybe evolving. Recently, I learned
about something that I wanted to share with all of
us today and then all of us listening at home.
Occultists are attempting to take magic to the digital age
by constructing something they call the sigil Engine. UH. It
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is a website that you can go to right now
if you wish, just sigil engine dot com. And once
you go there, you'll see is a kind of spooky
all black background red lettering and one thing that just says,
right your intention, and then there's a little menu at
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the top right that I highly I highly recommend reading
the Q and A before you participate in this experiment,
which we are going to try out online today, um
and lots of volunteer you guys. I'm definitely gonna do
it on the air in just a second. Yeah, I've
got it up. It's a really pretty cool design. It's
it's very sinister, but like it's gotten just the red
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letter and that kind of these like rising smoke, little
particles just drifting up. Uh, pretty impressive layout. I like it.
So here's how practitioners typically use sigils, and there are
tons of individual approaches to this. First, your idea is
that you are going to create this sigil from scratch,
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channeling intentional thoughts. You know, I am a billionaire, says
Jeff Bezos decades ago while he's scrawling one of these
things out and through meditation, through this intentional thought, the
concept for people who believe in this sort of magic
is that you can imbue the sigil with powerful psychic
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energy and that in turn can influence events in a way.
It's uh, it bears some similarity to stuff like the Secret,
but it comes with, you know, a little bit more ritualization.
You would write down whatever you want to achieve. Here's
how you make them at home. Write down whatever you
want to achieve. So let's say I'm just going to
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keep using the cheese steak example. Um, you write that
down and then you look at the word, so the
word would be chief steak. You take out all the vowels,
so the ease and the e a right, And then
you also take out any repeating letters, and then you
position the letters however you wish. Uh. They don't all
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have to be in a straight line. You can write,
you can fuss with them, whatever speaks to you in
the moment. And now you've got You've created a sigil,
and so you need to charge this with psychic energy.
A long time ago, Matt and I learned that the
creator of one of our favorite graphic novels, The Invisibles,
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resorted to sigils when he felt that his story was
in danger of not not being fully published, like there
were sales problems. He was worried it might just get canceled,
so he had he practiced some chaos magic, some sigil magic,
and he asked his readers to participate as well. I
did not, because I read this year's after it came out. Yeah,
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but the methods of charging are where you get to
another kind of cultural taboo. They vary. You could just meditate,
like I mentioned, some people sing at their sigils, and
most commonly or very commonly, people tend to pleasure themselves
while regarding their symbols, to masturbate. And then after you
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do whatever your method is and you feel like you've
charged it up, you finally destroy the sigil ritualistically or
you forget all about it, and then you just wait
for you know, you wait for that chief state to
become manifest through your will alone. Obviously, this isn't something
like everybody's on board with skeptics as you can imagine
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objective this, but the people who do believe in it
say that it works. It's just mischaracterized because you can't
push reality too much. It has to be something that
could be a goal that be within the boundaries of
your day to day life. Like if you charge a
sigil with the idea that you will win the lottery,
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you still have to buy a lottery ticket, you know
what I mean? Like that is that's the idea. So Ben,
I want to talk about this Q and A that
you mentioned and what they say about possible ways to
charge your sigil. You're saying all the correct things. That's
my understanding of it too, the sexual release, the power
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that's that exists. There is generally my understanding of how
you charge a sigil. But they are saying there are
other ways to do it. On the website. Can I
read a couple of these and okay? Um, it says
it describes sex magic as one way to to charge it,
and then it says alternatively, one could use other kinds
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of ecstasy inducing techniques. They give the examples of dancing
for hours still you drop from exhaustion. We've all done that, right. Um. Flagellation,
so being struck uh, maybe maybe the referring to self
flagellation here where you hit yourself or just being fledged
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flaged um. Also, severe sleep deprivation has a way to
to charge it. Now that one it was interesting to me.
I didn't I was trying to understand how that would
imbue it. Maybe the mania that can come in at
that point after severe sleep deprivation. Well, that's that's a
good question. So sleep deprivation is fascinating to me. We
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know that after a certain amount of time without sleep,
aspects of people's cognitive abilities decline, right you have trouble
remembering things is quickly math becomes more difficult. Um, keeping
to the point of a conversation narrative is also more difficult.
But I would argue, and I don't think I'm alone here,
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that you are encountering a tradeoff because creative thinking seems
to get kind of increasingly, uh, it increasingly bleeds into
the waking world. So maybe that's part of the idea,
that you are closer to some creative aspect or closer
to what I guess we could call a to C
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lateral thinking. Um, that might that might be part of it.
But you're right, it's all about altering a mental state
in the presence of this thing. So the you know,
dancing for hours like a dervish. Religious movements have long
sought these kind of um approaches to higher states or
to the feeling of illumination. But here's the thing. The
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sigil engine is cutting out a lot of that work, right,
and they're they're still giving you those um basic guidelines
like you know you UM will be better off not
putting conditionality into you or into your intention, by which
I mean, if you're making a sigil, you would write,
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I have a cheese steak. Not I would like a
cheese steak, because that it kind of bakes in the
possibility that it won't happen. Uh. And so what we're
going to do today is we're not going to um,
we're not going to charge these on air. Regardless of
how you go about it, it is. It is a
somewhat you know, kind of a time consuming process, I
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would imagine. But I so if you want me to
do a quick one, like, that's fine, okay, right? UM,
I am, I am on the website. I am going
to create this, yes, uh. And I think you guys
each already created one. I've messed around with this earlier
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for a few days. Uh, but I'm gonna do one
right now. And I don't know if it's one of
those things where you can't tell people what your original
what's original thing is? For Pete's sake, don't misspell anything.
Who knows you could knock reality on its you could
up end reality, all right, So what happens we can
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describe this process. You have thought about your intention. You've
realized that sometimes the universe's alignment could be described as
lawful evil. So you're writing very carefully after you have
written your intention, you will see the website in real time.
Do the do a version of that sigil construction. It's
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pretty neat to watch, you guys. You guys watched as
it happened to write the vowels, the double letters get
dropped out, and then you end up with the sigel.
Would you guys like to describe yours? It looks like
this kind of symbol that you might see used for
like an electronic musician, like a f X twin or something,
or like the game Half Life. Like I actually save
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this with the intention of maybe figure out how to
incorporate this into some musical project. It kind of looks
like a scythe a little bit, but it's in a circle,
which makes it what makes me think of the A
fixed one logo. But it's like a straight line with
a circle at the bottom, and then it crooks over
one click and then goes down at an angle and
then down one more click and then has a flat
little line at the bottom. Do I do have to
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say what my intention was? Or is that a secret
like birthday wishes? Well, it's a It's it's up to you,
I think if you want to you want to share
what your intention is. I don't know. I don't know
how much that would impact the efficacy in this magical system,
but yeah, maybe, I guess the easiest way you can
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tell us what it is if you're comfortable but also
be interested in whether or not you you've felt anything
when you saw it? Did you see it and you go, yes,
that's it. Well, it's kind of neat just to to
add the website shows you that process you were kind
of describing, ben Like, it takes your words and you
can see the letter is dropping off and then creating
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kind of these points and then they sort of populate
almost this like zodiac kind of vibe, right, Like it
sort of feels like they're going into like, you know,
a night sky kind of situation. The animation is really cool.
Mine was I am a sex god. I just wanted
something silly and dumb, and uh, you know, I didn't
really care if it came true or not. I don't
even know what that would feel like. I don't even
know what a sex god is. Uh, it might be
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one of those monkeys past situations where if it did
come true, I might not like it at all. Um,
But yeah, okay, okay, okay, are you are you judging
me there, No, No, I just want to I want
I'm deciding whether or not I want to hear updates
about how it goes with with your intention and your yea,
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that's I'll do that in my private time, like so
as yeah, so, as I had said earlier, it's it's
cool to watch this happen in real time, the process
of it being um created and the uh, the way
that the the question I have is like, how are
they figuring out the points? Because you see the words
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disappear or you see the letters rather disappear into these
different points and these lines connect them. And it turns
out that if you go back to the website later
and you type the exact same thing, you're going to
end up with a different sigil. Yeah, it appears to
be a bit randomized, which is kind of neat, but
it's giving you your own version of the thing you
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type in um ben I've I typed in discover the
truth about seven Roswell, New Mexico crash. I got a
really great sigel too, uh, squiggly lines with a circle.
It's awesome. And and you know, the one of the
last notes here is that some people we're having fun
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with this, but some people, especially folks who take this
stuff very seriously, have been offended by the existence of
this website. They're saying, you're taking process that is a
real thing, right and important to me or important to
my organization, And are you gamifying it? Are you cheapening it?
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Are you miseducating people? Um? Or is there a lot
of people who say my method is the one and
only true method and everything else that you're doing is
ridiculously wrong and potentially if people believe in this stuff,
potentially dangerous. Right. Yeah, it's like the idea of like
a really talented video editor being replaced by automation, or
(32:34):
someone with a very like spankable skill perhaps or a
very unique skill being somehow replaced by some sort of AI. UM.
This is even more egregious because it's like, you know,
I could see how people could think of this as sacrilege,
where you're taking this very um, sacred communication between UH
practitioner and the spirit, realm or or what have you,
(32:55):
um and and somehow kind of like you said, ben,
gamifying it or automating in some way, I could see
that being problematic for some folks. I love the h
I love the participatory aspect here. So I propose, fellow
conspiracy realists that if you are interested, should the spirit
so move you? You hop on this website, UM, make
(33:18):
a couple of intentions, see what kind of sigils you
end up with, and uh, you know, wait, give it
some time, and by all means, let us know if
you notice something that you thought changed right, and if so,
what to the degree that you're comfortable telling us. As always,
(33:39):
what people usually say in these these kind of circles
is remember to do no harm because it can come
back on you again if you believe this stuff. But
I cannot wait. I cannot wait to hear what happens.
I want somebody's like it wouldn't it be nuts? If
wouldn't it be nuts? If like a few weeks from
(34:00):
now after this comes out, we get an email from like,
I don't know President Joe Biden or Takashi six nine.
I'm picking two very different people, and they say, like
the entirety of I became the president because I used
the sigil magic, or I um I got out of
(34:22):
jail because I used this sigil magic. It wasn't really
cod I don't know what you guys did, but I
got ethered the other day. That's what Biden would say. Yes,
that is a direct quote. Everybody, remember you you see
the weirdest stuff on c Span. Uh So, that's it.
It's this is really the beginning of what might be
(34:43):
a longer story. I would love to hear people's experiences
with this sort of stuff. Do you think there's any
sand to it? Yes? No, maybe, uh just let me know.
Uh So we'll pause for a word from our sponsor
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and we're back. I can't help it. I have to
talk about one last thing with the sigils. Guys, uh Ben,
you're talking about how some people have had problems with this.
I love how the creators of Sigil Engine having that
Q and A. This one statement. I'm just gonna read
it really quickly. It's for anyone who's having problems. It says,
(35:29):
uh number ten in the q A, I am an
arch made and I know everything about magic, particularly sigils,
and everything you have done is wrong, and you guys
suck and I hate everything about this. This is real. Yeah,
And it just says the response to that question is
it'll be okay, and it links you to a ten
minute mindfulness meditation, which is really really cool. And I
(35:53):
wasn't making light of someone calling themselves an arch maid,
saying is it real? I just meant that level of
internet pedantic nous is almost like comical. It sounds like
a satire, like and I hate everything about this, and
I hate you and your dumb face, but I just
love that they have a sense, not only sense of
humor about it, but they're also kind, Like that's pretty kind.
(36:13):
That is kind. Okay, Um, the next story everyone, This
comes from a CBS article that I just stumbled upon,
and it was gosh, it was several days ago now,
I think it was on the fourth when I read it. No, yes,
it was on the fifth of March, so about three
(36:33):
days ago as we record this. The headline is a
swarm of over twenty thousand earthquakes has rocked Iceland in
the past ten days and it could spark a volcanic eruption.
So uh, catching headline, of course, they're twenty thousand earthquakes
sounds horrifying. I remember when we read gosh a while ago,
(36:58):
been specifically about the swarms of earthquakes that were happening
out in the National parks and parks and Yellowstone, and
you know, the concept of a swarm of earthquakes feels horrifying.
It's an image that you don't want to imagine in
your mind. Um, and this is kind of the same
deal here. But what we learned in in that case
(37:21):
with Yellowstone, this is a swarm of smaller earthquakes, very
small movements that are being recorded. And then the thing
that could be creepy about them is that it tends
to signal that there's going to be a larger like
single event that occurs, or you know, grouping of events
where you're gonna have a large magnitude earthquake. Yeah, that's
(37:44):
that's correct. It's also I mean, I think you're describing
it in a in a perfect way because if when
you hear about large scale earthquakes, often those large like
hand of God natural disaster earthquakes, they are preceded and
followed by smaller things, some so small that you could
(38:06):
not tell that they were occurring unless you were a
seismologist or you happen to have the correct equipment to
measure it. So then you know, you would feel like
it came out of nowhere. But that's that's not always
the case. It is though, and I think I know
where you're going with this. Even if they seem harmless,
they can be indicative of some terrifying stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely. Well,
(38:30):
we know for sure that there was a two thousand
ten eruption in Iceland that reachs havoc in the area.
You know, a lot of people lost their homes in
the local area. You know, was shut down air traffic
both in Iceland and then in several places across the
world because of the plume that was generated. And we
(38:51):
can talk about that a little bit later. Let's let's
stay in the realm of what could this mean, what's occurring?
So I'm gonna jump back to that CBS articles where
I started. It says that there have been twenty thousand
earthquakes recorded since February. This is according to the Icelandic
Meteorological Office, and they're saying that it's likely magma movements
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that are causing these tremors or these you know, these
small earthquakes to occur. And it is in a place
called the r E Y K J A N E
S Peninsula. Anybody want to take a stab at that, Sure,
rektions peninsula. Let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna freestyle it
(39:37):
and then we'll see if I can find the actual pronunciation.
But Rick John's Rick John's okay, recka vic rights, That's
that's what first came to mind, right, so we'll we'll
go with that. Iceland, please right in let us know. Yeah,
it's I know some of you are listening in Iceland.
(39:57):
I'd see you out there. Really, QUI are far more
difficult to pronounce volcanoes in Iceland. This one is actually
pretty merciful compared to some. So that is very true.
And I you know what for for this to talk
about this, I actually have one for you that I
can I think I can pronounce. I was excited to
see this man. The two thousand ten volcano is I
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think pronounced a fietla your orkutsuts something like that. We're
back in the blade cream cream corn amazing. Um. You
can read some incredible articles that describe icelandic is being
(40:43):
created by someone that just was angry at everyone that
in the future would attempts to learn how to speak
it and write it and pronounce it. Okay, So go
to jump back here just to talk about what it means. Um,
there's a tweet that came out of the meteor meteor
Logical office out of Iceland. They're talking about a lot
(41:04):
of this stuff occurring, and they said that the aviation
color code for this peninsula is at orange level, meaning
there's a heightened unrest and there is an increased likelihood
of eruption. So again this you know, there's not only
a worry for this kind of thing for the local
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area just you know, like we said, people would have
to evacuate and they'd have to get out in time
in order in order to not face death or you know, destruction.
There's also that worry the world across because this could
spell major problems not only for the aviation industry, for
air and soil and water pollution levels essentially, because you're
(41:47):
talking about a ton of particulate matter that gets into
the air when there's a large scale eruption or essentially
explosion of this kind. Yeah, and you can look back
at you can look back through history and you can
see a terrible correlation between eruptions in one part of
(42:08):
the world and inexplicably disastrous weather in what appears to
be completely unrelated parts of the world. This gets really
weird when we go far enough back, uh to to
a time when maybe an eruption on a continent that
people were not aware existed affected they're cut like in
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the eighteen hundreds. Um, this is not quite the same case.
When the eighteen hundreds, one of the huge problems with
sub eruptions in Iceland was not just Iceland, it affected
Scotland because of the reach of the disaster. So we
see again anytime you're talking about whether or earth systems,
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this is all interconnected. One of the biggest I love
they brought up Yellowstone map because one of the most
out there disturbing concerns about a Yellowstone explosive event was
not just that it could wreak havoc on the area
of Yellowstone in a pretty wide swab actually, but that
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it could somehow set off a domino, a domino effect
of several other similarly related events. So you wouldn't you
would accidentally buy a combo meal of natural disaster when
you just came in for a drink. Uh. That's that's
exactly what what could happen. I'm not suggesting that people
(43:35):
are ordering these things to happen. It's just they're incredibly
difficult to predict, right, Yeah, so sorry, you got a
double whopper and some chicken fryers with that order just
came with it. Um no, you're still right then. I
want to talk about the official word coming out from
like the Prime Minister of Iceland right now, saying that
the country is well prepared. We're not expecting this to
(43:57):
be a high risk thing. It's probably a low flow
type of eruption that is being signals signaled by the swarm.
They're saying that it's going to occur in an area
where there's not critical infrastructure that's going to be at risk.
It's at least it's nice to hear that, right, But
you can imagine if you're living in the immediate area
(44:17):
having this occur, knowing this is happening beneath your feet,
it would be pretty disturbing. Yeah. And and there's there's
still so much science to be worked on in this regard.
A lot of the science right now is is focused
towards being able to predict things. I believe that that
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most people aren't going to say we're at the point
where we can prevent things. We're just at the point
where to your earlier statement, Matt, we can hopefully get
word to people in enough time for them to escape
the danger zone. Um. Almost all volcanoes are independent of
(44:59):
each other. But when you see the belief that an
eruption one volcano can trigger other volcanoes, that can kind
of be the case. But sometimes they're part of a
larger volcano complex that you just don't notice. When you
know you're a person running from their lives from one
exploding mountain and then you see the mountain you're running
(45:19):
tour also explode. Yeah, no, thank you. I want to
read a few more things and then just give people
places to check out if they want to follow this story.
The first is from Government dot i S, which is
the official government of Iceland, and they are saying again
a relatively small eruption of the type classified as a
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fissure eruption sometimes referred to as the Icelandic type is expected.
Just putting it out there to keep that there. Scientists
anticipate in eruption could last for a few days up
to a few weeks. Due to the likely location of
the emergence of lava populated places in critical infrastructure all
this stuff. Are not expect it to be in dangerous
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exactly what I said before. I just want to say
that's coming directly from the government. And if you want
to continue following updates from at least the official updates
from the government of Iceland, you can head on over
to government dot I S. That's the place to do it.
You can click on news and there will generally be
(46:21):
updates there that you can see. If you're on Twitter,
you can follow the Icelandic Meteorological Office or the I
m O. It is at v E D U R
S T O F A N the durs stuffen that is.
That is the place you can check that out. They
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tweet in in both Icelandic and in English, so if
you can understand one of those, you're in a good place.
And the last thing is the Icelandic m E T
Office the met Office, and this is e N dot
V E D you are dot I S and there
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you can actually find maps of where the where the
swarms are occurring, where the earthquakes are actually located. And
especially if you're in Iceland and you want to keep
track of that stuff, that's the place to go. I
also have an Iceland question for anybody who is ah
as a native of Iceland and currently lives there. This
(47:23):
has nothing to do with volcanoes. I hope. I'm just
simply curious. Is it true that there is a an app,
maybe a dating app in Iceland that lets you know
if the person you might go on a date with
is related to you. Have you guys heard of this,
I've heard of the problem it is because I'm sorry,
(47:45):
is it because of population size or like because of
like literally the gene pool of isolation over time and population.
But of course you know that's just my curiosity. I
I am. I am interesting because when I've has heard it,
it sounded like a onion story, or maybe not the onion.
Let us know, stay safe from the earthquakes and the volcanoes.
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It also makes me think of ask a Swede, like
that seemed like an onion article too. I loved it.
I loved Ask a Swede. I'm so sad that it's gone.
It was one of the only times in my life
I've liked being on the phone. That's I I I
last I did not get to experience this majesty. I
think this also. I think this also takes us to
(48:28):
another question, which is our natural disasters of this sort
on the rise. I did a little digging into some
work from seismologists and vulcanologists, and it seems like, according
to them, we're about with it. We're within the thresholds
of normality or the usual amount of eruptions for I
(48:52):
don't know about one, however, Yeah, I don't know. And also,
you know, we talked about solar minimums and maximums and
what effect that may or may not have on seismic activity,
and just you know, all the other factors that go
into what occurs beneath our feet on this planet. What
I'd love talking about that stuff, and I love learning
about it, and I'd be interested if you were listening,
(49:15):
have any questions that you want us to ask that
we can attempt to answer, absolutely, And if you have
some insider info on what's going on with those COVID
checks in China, if you have the scoop on sigils,
if you can answer some of the questions that we
just posed about Iceland and natural disaster, we would absolutely
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My name is Matt, my name is Null. They called
me Ben. We are joined as always with our super
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are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. It's the top of
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find some uh weird, sometimes funny, sometimes fascinating, sometimes terrifying
stories that maybe haven't gotten their due in mainstream met
So our stories today um touch on the the precipice
of ecological disaster. Uh, they touch on um they literally
(01:11):
touch on some delicate aspects of diplomacy. And we also
may spoil or alert do some magic like actual magic
with the K Live for You, Live for us, uh
somehow alive in the show today. But I think we're
gonna you're sure we're not just gonna tap some swamps,
(01:32):
because I mean, I could do that I could get
into that. Yes, yeah, absolutely, Um, what kind of deck
are you building today? It's okay, it's one of those
things that somebody who's listening gets it, they go reference,
and if they don't, it just goes right by. Are
you Are you just making a euphemistic reference to my
story that I'm about to do tapping swamps? No, but
(01:54):
it does work, and I didn't think about it that way,
and that's gross, but it was just as TG reference. Sah.
But let's let's let's start there. Maybe, Um, let's go
to China where there is you know, you know, it
seems like there's always a conflict between the West and
China these days, but this one in particular is uh,
(02:17):
it's one you might not expect. People arriving at the
airport certainly didn't. Yeah, it's because it's it's kind of
a hilarious but yet delicate, like you said, been um,
example of how diplomacy really is kind of this like
super super uh tender balancing act. Let's just say you
can't some balancing act can't be tender, but I'm still
(02:39):
gonna stick with it. So, you know, I think we
may have talked about and then folks may have heard that. UM.
In China, Uh, they have leaned more toward a particular
type of COVID nineteen test. Uh. The Chinese government and
and their scientists feel that it's more accurate. Uh and
it you know does not It uses the same type
(03:01):
of swab that we use here in the United States. UM,
the ones that you shove up you into your nose
so far up it feels like it's about to tap
your brain and then gently rotated. And I think many
of us have probably had that experience uh self administered.
But in China they stick that probe in a different
place and it's it's your butt and UM, that is
(03:22):
how they've been doing it. And apparently there's been some
um diplomatic kerfuffle around this notion that US diplomats traveling
to China are you know, being you know when in
China to do as the Chinese do, and that apparently
involves sticking uh anal swabs into uranus or having that
done in order to be able to board that plane
(03:45):
or or be able to get off that plane. UM.
So there have been reports from outlets here in the
United States of diplomats complaining to have to go through
this um demoralizing proceeds in in their minds demoralizing procedure. Uh.
It's not all over China, it's just certain cities, but
they have been using this claiming that it can, according
(04:06):
to the BBC reporting quote, increase the detection rate of
infected people. UM and China. It's interestingly enough, being you
know what we consider the epicentre of the coronavirus pandemic
has pretty much done a quite a fine job of
bringing the virus under control. Many would argue a much
better job than we've done here in the United States.
(04:28):
Uh So. A spokesperson for the Chinese Foreign Ministry by
the name of Zao li Jian has denied these claims,
uh saying that China has never required the U. S.
Diplomatic staff station in China to conduct anal swab tests.
Uh So, you know what's going on here? Is this
like a flex Nothing more dangerous or terrifying than a
(04:51):
bureaucrat with a little bit of power, um, you know,
and maybe a little bit of ill will towards Americans.
Perhaps that's where this is isolated events of of you know,
bureaucrats saying no, you gotta you gotta do the annal
swab test, buddy, um or you're not getting you're not
getting into the country. UM, I'm not sure. It's interesting
(05:12):
that I love the fact that they're denying it, but
yet they're there are reports of these these claims, of
these complaints being being filed by UH. I mean like
it's official, there's some kind of like you know, official
report being generated. But I don't know, Guys, I would
like take it to the group here. What do you
think if I could just quickly a couple of things
(05:33):
I want to talk about with this and then we
can have discussion. What the first one is that we
know that your anus, my anus, everybody's anus. It's just
the other end of this tube system that we've got
going on in our bodies, right, and one of the end,
one of one of the ends, right, this is the
first one. That's the other one. Um, we're you know,
(05:56):
culturally across the globe, there's a lot of taboo associated
with our butts. Um, and scientifically it's there's not that
much of a difference. It's just the it's the it's
the out right um spicy food burns on both ends
because yeah, precisely, and and I'm not saying that I'm
(06:21):
comfortable with anal swabs. It is like, let's just let's
do it all the time. I guess what I mean
is if there's a scientific reason to use them, then
maybe maybe it's not such a bad thing. And according
to what I've been reading, swabbing there rather than your mouth,
you have a better chance of detecting the virus because
we we know that it collects down there more. There's
(06:47):
a there's a larger chance of getting a positive if
you have been infected. If you do if it's after
the first week. That's the important part because we're looking
at something time sensitive, So you could you can still
UM test negative but be carrying COVID UH and have
a negative test with an anal swab there. There are
a couple of things about this story the way it's
(07:07):
been um reported that I think bear further scrutiny. First,
it's not just the US. Japanese officials have been uh
subjected to this NOL. As you said, it's not the
entirety of the country of China. Newsweek's fact check rated
it half true. Uh. The primary question here is one
(07:31):
of informed consent, and you can hear from the diplomats
themselves or unnamed officials who I guess didn't want their
full title and position being quoted. Where When they complained
about this right the one spokesperson for the State Department
noted that the problem for them was that their their
(07:55):
organization had never agreed to this method of testing. They
pro tested it. As soon as they found out that
some US mission individuals were subjected to it, they protested
directly to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs UM, as did Japan,
citing psychological distress because you know, we have to realize
(08:16):
that some of these people who are being told to
do this are the kind of people who were usually
not told to do a bunch of things, much less
have have this kind of test, which they you know,
several people probably considered undignified. Yeah. Well, and that's a
really good point, bn because this really is at the
at the heart of this it's a it's a our
discussion about cultural taboos. Right, Like to to the Chinese,
(08:40):
he was like, who cares, what's the big deal? It's
a more accurate test. Why the hangups about but stuff?
And in the United States, it's something that people don't
talk about, you know, it's it's considered kind of like
super taboo or like you said, undignified. It's the idea
of something being done to them that is intended to
um in some way cause them distress. And you're and
(09:02):
you're right now. The Vice World News did a piece
on this a couple of days ago or late last week,
and they quoted this UM statement at the State Department
never agree to this kind of testing and protested directly
to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, like you said, when
we learned that some staff were subject to it. UM.
And and now we have people from the Chinese government
(09:24):
saying this never happened. Um. So I I'm not quite
sure where this leaves us. Uh, but but also um again.
The Vice article h the headline is China gave us
anal COVID tests in error, American officials saying, yeah, well,
the good news is if you are from South Korea,
(09:45):
your government has a special deal with China, you can
submit a stool sample that they'll check instead of having
the actual swab. So then it becomes like what feels
more awkward to you, uh, someone you don't know administering
this test or handing someone you don't know a small
jar of your poop and saying I hope everything works out.
(10:05):
I hope you're the right person. Is this just a
random at the airport taking poop? And if so, why
do you have to do it on the site? Like
do you do you bring it from home? Like? So
many questions. I agreed, yes, so many questions. This is
the way I know you want to keep going. This
is exactly want to bring up. Just let me know
when you're done. I want to bring I want to
bring it back to this. Okay. Another I think a
(10:28):
point that we do need to emphasize is the the
argument that there is some increased efficacy to the anal
swab or the fecal test because the World Health Organization
doesn't agree. They still recommend respiratory track testing UM because
they give the best samples. They're really worried about that
(10:50):
week of when that week where there might be a
false negative window. I see, that's interesting. And it's also
if you're testing up here, that's where it's really transferable,
like the most transferable right with a coffer sneeze or
breathing and talkingtyle correct, but the probability is higher that
you would infect others like overall. Right, if you're if
(11:13):
you're getting it through those droplets, um well. The thing
I wanted to bring it back to Ben and Noll
was that we we just got a new dog from
the shelter. Well, yeah, she's amazing, but I have to
take her in to a vet immediately to get her
anal glands expressed. No, okay, do have to have done.
(11:34):
I'm sorry. I just found about this and it's disgusting.
I'm sorry I even brought it back to that. It's okay,
but what I do have. What I have to do
today is gather her poop up into in this case
a bag and take it with me to to the doctor,
because it's one of the best ways to take a
look at what's going on inside of her and a
lot of health issues she may be having. So I'm
(11:54):
just thinking about it in that way. I don't mean
to be the advocate for poop testing overall or global
poop testing, but it does feel like that's not something
I can't remember a time if I've ever done it.
I don't think I've ever had a stool sample tested
from like a doctor or from just a situation from
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a physician, but like testing my gut bacteria and stuff
like I'm interested to know because we science is leading
us closer and closer to showing that our gut bacteria
and everything that's going on down there is highly important.
It's huge. It can also affect aspects of your cognitive state.
Like the fecal transplant stuff you should know as a
(12:41):
great episode on fecal transplants, I highly recommend that to
anyone interested. But the gut biome, which we've talked about
in previous episodes, Um, I think we're going to see
some amazing research come out in the near to mid
term regarding the potential the medical potential of US, both
as a diagnostic tool and as a way to possibly
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treat or mitigate some ongoing issues that people might have.
With that being said, you know, it's still pretty it's
almost like you could say it's where DNA testing was
maybe ten or eight years ago, right, And so there's
not to my knowledge so far, there's not like a
twenty three and poop that will help set you up
(13:27):
with a microbiome transfer or analyze your own fecal matter
for you. Just how do you mail it? You know, what?
How does it work? But yeah, yeah, yeah, and tree
(13:48):
dot com. Yeah, Uh, the problem is, I mean, I
think one of the big points here is that we
do have to ask how much soft cultural taboos stymy
the progress of science or the treatment of disease, you know,
like um, it's also one of the first medical things
people figured out as a species. There are medieval treatises
(14:13):
a plenty on. Like a thing doctors used to do
back in the day is they would always ask people
for their urine or their feces when they die diagnosed,
i say, their medical conditions, and they would have you
like urinate. This was only for the wealthy people, obviously.
They would have you urinate into a flask and they
(14:33):
would just like hold it up in the light, shake
it around, sniffett and I want to be too gross,
but they did probably sip a little bit of it
and uh. And this would all be meant as a
diagnostic tool, or at least that's what they said. So
so the species is just better at doing something that
it was already doing. This. This kind of historical context,
(14:54):
of course, is a cold comfort to someone who has
just been told they can't leave the airports were quarantined
unless they make very good friends with this doctor, I
wonder if it's like a situation where somebody was being
unfriendly or a little bit agrew at the border and
(15:14):
maybe someone used power that they didn't legally have to
make a mandate. What do you think that? That was
my kind of theory, just the idea of some you know,
bureaucrat or some UH airport worker flexing a little bit
to make a point, literally a point UH stuck three
to five centimeters up the anus and gently rotated. Um that. Yeah,
(15:35):
I did want to point out that the numbers there
three to five centimeters a lot less than is required
sticking that swab up your nasal cavity. So I would
argue this might be less unpleasant than the nasal tests,
which is highly unpleasant and makes your eye water and
it's it really is a very invasive sensation. Um, you know,
(15:58):
three to five centimeters up the butt. I'm fine with that.
Seems like a welcomed relief in my book. Well, hopefully
by the time international travel becomes the norm for people
in the US UH, there will be vaccination of plenty
and anal swapping will return an extracurricular exactly. I'm my understanding. Now,
(16:25):
is it or you know I may be incorrect. You
guys tell me if I'm wrong. So we're talking about
when anal swapping test is most effective. It seems like
it's good for testing. Like you said, Ben, as the
virus is going through your system, so it's almost like
late late in the game, it's moving through your system.
Because that that would make complete sense, and it would
it would also make sense what the um I think
(16:48):
his name is Lee Tong jing Uh, someone who was
responding to this story, who just said that it's generally
used for people who are in quarantine, so like your
sting to see if this person is ready to exit quarantine. Um. Yeah,
because there's there's that window of time where somebody could
(17:10):
test negative on a respiratory test, right or a you know,
a nose swab, but they could still test positive on
that anal swab just because of exactly what you're describing,
that the process through which the virus propagates through the body. Well, indeed, Uh,
I think we can probably take a quick sponsor break
(17:32):
if no one else has any burning uh, never mind
burning sensations, never mind, No, No, I'm done. Sorry. I
did eat a lot of hallopenos in a couple of
hoban arrows earlier, so we'll see, wait, a lot of
hallapenos and a couple of haban arrows. Yeah, you are
a glutton for punishment, my friend. But we're gonna take
(17:53):
a quick word from our sponsor and we'll be right back.
And we have returned. We're gonna get weird with it, folks.
I hope you join us for the ride. Let's talk
a little bit about magic, not stage magic, not David Copperfield,
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not mentalist tricks like Darren Brown. Again, highly recommended. If
you want to learn more UH social hacking, do check
out Darren Brown's stuff. We're talking about something old school,
something called a sigil s I g i l from
the Latin for seal, and a sigil is one of
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those things you'll know it. You'll know it when you
see it, even if you've never worked with this kind
of stuff before. In medieval ceremonial magic, this term usually
referred to specific signs that were kind of like think
about it in graphic design terms. They were like the
logos of specific angels and demons, and idea was that
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through interacting with these sigils UH, the practitioner might be
able to also interact with these supernatural, divine, infernal entities,
and you would see list of sigils in grim wis
one of the best examples, probably the Keys of Solomon,
which has uh the sigils of seventy two different alleged
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princes of Hell uh. And you would think of these
if you were a magic practitioner as the true name
of the spirit at hand. That's okay, that's where it
comes from. But sigils, the belief in them uh exists
in the modern day. It's uh. It's weird because sigils,
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like so many other things, maybe evolving. Recently, I learned
about something that I wanted to share with all of
us today and then all of us listening at home.
Occultists are attempting to take magic to the digital age
by constructing something they call the sigil Engine. UH. It
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is a website that you can go to right now
if you wish, just sigil engine dot com. And once
you go there, you'll see is a kind of spooky
all black background red lettering and one thing that just says,
right your intention, and then there's a little menu at
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the top right that I highly I highly recommend reading
the Q and A before you participate in this experiment,
which we are going to try out online today, um
and lots of volunteer you guys. I'm definitely gonna do
it on the air in just a second. Yeah, I've
got it up. It's a really pretty cool design. It's
it's very sinister, but like it's gotten just the red
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letter and that kind of these like rising smoke, little
particles just drifting up. Uh, pretty impressive layout. I like it.
So here's how practitioners typically use sigils, and there are
tons of individual approaches to this. First, your idea is
that you are going to create this sigil from scratch,
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channeling intentional thoughts. You know, I am a billionaire, says
Jeff Bezos decades ago while he's scrawling one of these
things out and through meditation, through this intentional thought, the
concept for people who believe in this sort of magic
is that you can imbue the sigil with powerful psychic
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energy and that in turn can influence events in a way.
It's uh, it bears some similarity to stuff like the Secret,
but it comes with, you know, a little bit more ritualization.
You would write down whatever you want to achieve. Here's
how you make them at home. Write down whatever you
want to achieve. So let's say I'm just going to
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keep using the cheese steak example. Um, you write that
down and then you look at the word, so the
word would be chief steak. You take out all the vowels,
so the ease and the e a right, And then
you also take out any repeating letters, and then you
position the letters however you wish. Uh. They don't all
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have to be in a straight line. You can write,
you can fuss with them, whatever speaks to you in
the moment. And now you've got You've created a sigil,
and so you need to charge this with psychic energy.
A long time ago, Matt and I learned that the
creator of one of our favorite graphic novels, The Invisibles,
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resorted to sigils when he felt that his story was
in danger of not not being fully published, like there
were sales problems. He was worried it might just get canceled,
so he had he practiced some chaos magic, some sigil magic,
and he asked his readers to participate as well. I
did not, because I read this year's after it came out. Yeah,
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but the methods of charging are where you get to
another kind of cultural taboo. They vary. You could just meditate,
like I mentioned, some people sing at their sigils, and
most commonly or very commonly, people tend to pleasure themselves
while regarding their symbols, to masturbate. And then after you
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do whatever your method is and you feel like you've
charged it up, you finally destroy the sigil ritualistically or
you forget all about it, and then you just wait
for you know, you wait for that chief state to
become manifest through your will alone. Obviously, this isn't something
like everybody's on board with skeptics as you can imagine
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objective this, but the people who do believe in it
say that it works. It's just mischaracterized because you can't
push reality too much. It has to be something that
could be a goal that be within the boundaries of
your day to day life. Like if you charge a
sigil with the idea that you will win the lottery,
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you still have to buy a lottery ticket, you know
what I mean? Like that is that's the idea. So Ben,
I want to talk about this Q and A that
you mentioned and what they say about possible ways to
charge your sigil. You're saying all the correct things. That's
my understanding of it too, the sexual release, the power
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that's that exists. There is generally my understanding of how
you charge a sigil. But they are saying there are
other ways to do it. On the website. Can I
read a couple of these and okay? Um, it says
it describes sex magic as one way to to charge it,
and then it says alternatively, one could use other kinds
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of ecstasy inducing techniques. They give the examples of dancing
for hours still you drop from exhaustion. We've all done that, right. Um. Flagellation,
so being struck uh, maybe maybe the referring to self
flagellation here where you hit yourself or just being fledged
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flaged um. Also, severe sleep deprivation has a way to
to charge it. Now that one it was interesting to me.
I didn't I was trying to understand how that would
imbue it. Maybe the mania that can come in at
that point after severe sleep deprivation. Well, that's that's a
good question. So sleep deprivation is fascinating to me. We
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know that after a certain amount of time without sleep,
aspects of people's cognitive abilities decline, right you have trouble
remembering things is quickly math becomes more difficult. Um, keeping
to the point of a conversation narrative is also more difficult.
But I would argue, and I don't think I'm alone here,
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that you are encountering a tradeoff because creative thinking seems
to get kind of increasingly, uh, it increasingly bleeds into
the waking world. So maybe that's part of the idea,
that you are closer to some creative aspect or closer
to what I guess we could call a to C
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lateral thinking. Um, that might that might be part of it.
But you're right, it's all about altering a mental state
in the presence of this thing. So the you know,
dancing for hours like a dervish. Religious movements have long
sought these kind of um approaches to higher states or
to the feeling of illumination. But here's the thing. The
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sigil engine is cutting out a lot of that work, right,
and they're they're still giving you those um basic guidelines
like you know you UM will be better off not
putting conditionality into you or into your intention, by which
I mean, if you're making a sigil, you would write,
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I have a cheese steak. Not I would like a
cheese steak, because that it kind of bakes in the
possibility that it won't happen. Uh. And so what we're
going to do today is we're not going to um,
we're not going to charge these on air. Regardless of
how you go about it, it is. It is a
somewhat you know, kind of a time consuming process, I
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would imagine. But I so if you want me to
do a quick one, like, that's fine, okay, right? UM,
I am, I am on the website. I am going
to create this, yes, uh. And I think you guys
each already created one. I've messed around with this earlier
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for a few days. Uh, but I'm gonna do one
right now. And I don't know if it's one of
those things where you can't tell people what your original
what's original thing is? For Pete's sake, don't misspell anything.
Who knows you could knock reality on its you could
up end reality, all right, So what happens we can
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describe this process. You have thought about your intention. You've
realized that sometimes the universe's alignment could be described as
lawful evil. So you're writing very carefully after you have
written your intention, you will see the website in real time.
Do the do a version of that sigil construction. It's
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pretty neat to watch, you guys. You guys watched as
it happened to write the vowels, the double letters get
dropped out, and then you end up with the sigel.
Would you guys like to describe yours? It looks like
this kind of symbol that you might see used for
like an electronic musician, like a f X twin or something,
or like the game Half Life. Like I actually save
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this with the intention of maybe figure out how to
incorporate this into some musical project. It kind of looks
like a scythe a little bit, but it's in a circle,
which makes it what makes me think of the A
fixed one logo. But it's like a straight line with
a circle at the bottom, and then it crooks over
one click and then goes down at an angle and
then down one more click and then has a flat
little line at the bottom. Do I do have to
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say what my intention was? Or is that a secret
like birthday wishes? Well, it's a It's it's up to you,
I think if you want to you want to share
what your intention is. I don't know. I don't know
how much that would impact the efficacy in this magical system,
but yeah, maybe, I guess the easiest way you can
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tell us what it is if you're comfortable but also
be interested in whether or not you you've felt anything
when you saw it? Did you see it and you go, yes,
that's it. Well, it's kind of neat just to to
add the website shows you that process you were kind
of describing, ben Like, it takes your words and you
can see the letter is dropping off and then creating
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kind of these points and then they sort of populate
almost this like zodiac kind of vibe, right, Like it
sort of feels like they're going into like, you know,
a night sky kind of situation. The animation is really cool.
Mine was I am a sex god. I just wanted
something silly and dumb, and uh, you know, I didn't
really care if it came true or not. I don't
even know what that would feel like. I don't even
know what a sex god is. Uh, it might be
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one of those monkeys past situations where if it did
come true, I might not like it at all. Um,
But yeah, okay, okay, okay, are you are you judging
me there, No, No, I just want to I want
I'm deciding whether or not I want to hear updates
about how it goes with with your intention and your yea,
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that's I'll do that in my private time, like so
as yeah, so, as I had said earlier, it's it's
cool to watch this happen in real time, the process
of it being um created and the uh, the way
that the the question I have is like, how are
they figuring out the points? Because you see the words
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disappear or you see the letters rather disappear into these
different points and these lines connect them. And it turns
out that if you go back to the website later
and you type the exact same thing, you're going to
end up with a different sigil. Yeah, it appears to
be a bit randomized, which is kind of neat, but
it's giving you your own version of the thing you
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type in um ben I've I typed in discover the
truth about seven Roswell, New Mexico crash. I got a
really great sigel too, uh, squiggly lines with a circle.
It's awesome. And and you know, the one of the
last notes here is that some people we're having fun
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with this, but some people, especially folks who take this
stuff very seriously, have been offended by the existence of
this website. They're saying, you're taking process that is a
real thing, right and important to me or important to
my organization, And are you gamifying it? Are you cheapening it?
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Are you miseducating people? Um? Or is there a lot
of people who say my method is the one and
only true method and everything else that you're doing is
ridiculously wrong and potentially if people believe in this stuff,
potentially dangerous. Right. Yeah, it's like the idea of like
a really talented video editor being replaced by automation, or
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someone with a very like spankable skill perhaps or a
very unique skill being somehow replaced by some sort of AI. UM.
This is even more egregious because it's like, you know,
I could see how people could think of this as sacrilege,
where you're taking this very um, sacred communication between UH
practitioner and the spirit, realm or or what have you,
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um and and somehow kind of like you said, ben,
gamifying it or automating in some way, I could see
that being problematic for some folks. I love the h
I love the participatory aspect here. So I propose, fellow
conspiracy realists that if you are interested, should the spirit
so move you? You hop on this website, UM, make
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a couple of intentions, see what kind of sigils you
end up with, and uh, you know, wait, give it
some time, and by all means, let us know if
you notice something that you thought changed right, and if so,
what to the degree that you're comfortable telling us. As always,
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what people usually say in these these kind of circles
is remember to do no harm because it can come
back on you again if you believe this stuff. But
I cannot wait. I cannot wait to hear what happens.
I want somebody's like it wouldn't it be nuts? If
wouldn't it be nuts? If like a few weeks from
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now after this comes out, we get an email from like,
I don't know President Joe Biden or Takashi six nine.
I'm picking two very different people, and they say, like
the entirety of I became the president because I used
the sigil magic, or I um I got out of
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jail because I used this sigil magic. It wasn't really
cod I don't know what you guys did, but I
got ethered the other day. That's what Biden would say. Yes,
that is a direct quote. Everybody, remember you you see
the weirdest stuff on c Span. Uh So, that's it.
It's this is really the beginning of what might be
(34:43):
a longer story. I would love to hear people's experiences
with this sort of stuff. Do you think there's any
sand to it? Yes? No, maybe, uh just let me know.
Uh So we'll pause for a word from our sponsor
and will return with one more piece of strange news
(35:08):
and we're back. I can't help it. I have to
talk about one last thing with the sigils. Guys, uh Ben,
you're talking about how some people have had problems with this.
I love how the creators of Sigil Engine having that
Q and A. This one statement. I'm just gonna read
it really quickly. It's for anyone who's having problems. It says,
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uh number ten in the q A, I am an
arch made and I know everything about magic, particularly sigils,
and everything you have done is wrong, and you guys
suck and I hate everything about this. This is real. Yeah,
And it just says the response to that question is
it'll be okay, and it links you to a ten
minute mindfulness meditation, which is really really cool. And I
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wasn't making light of someone calling themselves an arch maid,
saying is it real? I just meant that level of
internet pedantic nous is almost like comical. It sounds like
a satire, like and I hate everything about this, and
I hate you and your dumb face, but I just
love that they have a sense, not only sense of
humor about it, but they're also kind, Like that's pretty kind.
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That is kind. Okay, Um, the next story everyone, This
comes from a CBS article that I just stumbled upon,
and it was gosh, it was several days ago now,
I think it was on the fourth when I read it. No, yes,
it was on the fifth of March, so about three
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days ago as we record this. The headline is a
swarm of over twenty thousand earthquakes has rocked Iceland in
the past ten days and it could spark a volcanic eruption.
So uh, catching headline, of course, they're twenty thousand earthquakes
sounds horrifying. I remember when we read gosh a while ago,
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been specifically about the swarms of earthquakes that were happening
out in the National parks and parks and Yellowstone, and
you know, the concept of a swarm of earthquakes feels horrifying.
It's an image that you don't want to imagine in
your mind. Um, and this is kind of the same
deal here. But what we learned in in that case
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with Yellowstone, this is a swarm of smaller earthquakes, very
small movements that are being recorded. And then the thing
that could be creepy about them is that it tends
to signal that there's going to be a larger like
single event that occurs, or you know, grouping of events
where you're gonna have a large magnitude earthquake. Yeah, that's
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that's correct. It's also I mean, I think you're describing
it in a in a perfect way because if when
you hear about large scale earthquakes, often those large like
hand of God natural disaster earthquakes, they are preceded and
followed by smaller things, some so small that you could
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not tell that they were occurring unless you were a
seismologist or you happen to have the correct equipment to
measure it. So then you know, you would feel like
it came out of nowhere. But that's that's not always
the case. It is though, and I think I know
where you're going with this. Even if they seem harmless,
they can be indicative of some terrifying stuff. Oh yeah, absolutely. Well,
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we know for sure that there was a two thousand
ten eruption in Iceland that reachs havoc in the area.
You know, a lot of people lost their homes in
the local area. You know, was shut down air traffic
both in Iceland and then in several places across the
world because of the plume that was generated. And we
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can talk about that a little bit later. Let's let's
stay in the realm of what could this mean, what's occurring?
So I'm gonna jump back to that CBS articles where
I started. It says that there have been twenty thousand
earthquakes recorded since February. This is according to the Icelandic
Meteorological Office, and they're saying that it's likely magma movements
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that are causing these tremors or these you know, these
small earthquakes to occur. And it is in a place
called the r E Y K J A N E
S Peninsula. Anybody want to take a stab at that, Sure,
rektions peninsula. Let's see, I'm gonna I'm gonna freestyle it
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and then we'll see if I can find the actual pronunciation.
But Rick John's Rick John's okay, recka vic rights, That's
that's what first came to mind, right, so we'll we'll
go with that. Iceland, please right in let us know. Yeah,
it's I know some of you are listening in Iceland.
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I'd see you out there. Really, QUI are far more
difficult to pronounce volcanoes in Iceland. This one is actually
pretty merciful compared to some. So that is very true.
And I you know what for for this to talk
about this, I actually have one for you that I
can I think I can pronounce. I was excited to
see this man. The two thousand ten volcano is I
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think pronounced a fietla your orkutsuts something like that. We're
back in the blade cream cream corn amazing. Um. You
can read some incredible articles that describe icelandic is being
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created by someone that just was angry at everyone that
in the future would attempts to learn how to speak
it and write it and pronounce it. Okay, So go
to jump back here just to talk about what it means. Um,
there's a tweet that came out of the meteor meteor
Logical office out of Iceland. They're talking about a lot
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of this stuff occurring, and they said that the aviation
color code for this peninsula is at orange level, meaning
there's a heightened unrest and there is an increased likelihood
of eruption. So again this you know, there's not only
a worry for this kind of thing for the local
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area just you know, like we said, people would have
to evacuate and they'd have to get out in time
in order in order to not face death or you know, destruction.
There's also that worry the world across because this could
spell major problems not only for the aviation industry, for
air and soil and water pollution levels essentially, because you're
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talking about a ton of particulate matter that gets into
the air when there's a large scale eruption or essentially
explosion of this kind. Yeah, and you can look back
at you can look back through history and you can
see a terrible correlation between eruptions in one part of
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the world and inexplicably disastrous weather in what appears to
be completely unrelated parts of the world. This gets really
weird when we go far enough back, uh to to
a time when maybe an eruption on a continent that
people were not aware existed affected they're cut like in
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the eighteen hundreds. Um, this is not quite the same case.
When the eighteen hundreds, one of the huge problems with
sub eruptions in Iceland was not just Iceland, it affected
Scotland because of the reach of the disaster. So we
see again anytime you're talking about whether or earth systems,
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this is all interconnected. One of the biggest I love
they brought up Yellowstone map because one of the most
out there disturbing concerns about a Yellowstone explosive event was
not just that it could wreak havoc on the area
of Yellowstone in a pretty wide swab actually, but that
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it could somehow set off a domino, a domino effect
of several other similarly related events. So you wouldn't you
would accidentally buy a combo meal of natural disaster when
you just came in for a drink. Uh. That's that's
exactly what what could happen. I'm not suggesting that people
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are ordering these things to happen. It's just they're incredibly
difficult to predict, right, Yeah, so sorry, you got a
double whopper and some chicken fryers with that order just
came with it. Um no, you're still right then. I
want to talk about the official word coming out from
like the Prime Minister of Iceland right now, saying that
the country is well prepared. We're not expecting this to
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be a high risk thing. It's probably a low flow
type of eruption that is being signals signaled by the swarm.
They're saying that it's going to occur in an area
where there's not critical infrastructure that's going to be at risk.
It's at least it's nice to hear that, right, But
you can imagine if you're living in the immediate area
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having this occur, knowing this is happening beneath your feet,
it would be pretty disturbing. Yeah. And and there's there's
still so much science to be worked on in this regard.
A lot of the science right now is is focused
towards being able to predict things. I believe that that
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most people aren't going to say we're at the point
where we can prevent things. We're just at the point
where to your earlier statement, Matt, we can hopefully get
word to people in enough time for them to escape
the danger zone. Um. Almost all volcanoes are independent of
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each other. But when you see the belief that an
eruption one volcano can trigger other volcanoes, that can kind
of be the case. But sometimes they're part of a
larger volcano complex that you just don't notice. When you
know you're a person running from their lives from one
exploding mountain and then you see the mountain you're running
(45:19):
tour also explode. Yeah, no, thank you. I want to
read a few more things and then just give people
places to check out if they want to follow this story.
The first is from Government dot i S, which is
the official government of Iceland, and they are saying again
a relatively small eruption of the type classified as a
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fissure eruption sometimes referred to as the Icelandic type is expected.
Just putting it out there to keep that there. Scientists
anticipate in eruption could last for a few days up
to a few weeks. Due to the likely location of
the emergence of lava populated places in critical infrastructure all
this stuff. Are not expect it to be in dangerous
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exactly what I said before. I just want to say
that's coming directly from the government. And if you want
to continue following updates from at least the official updates
from the government of Iceland, you can head on over
to government dot I S. That's the place to do it.
You can click on news and there will generally be
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updates there that you can see. If you're on Twitter,
you can follow the Icelandic Meteorological Office or the I
m O. It is at v E D U R
S T O F A N the durs stuffen that is.
That is the place you can check that out. They
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tweet in in both Icelandic and in English, so if
you can understand one of those, you're in a good place.
And the last thing is the Icelandic m E T
Office the met Office, and this is e N dot
V E D you are dot I S and there
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you can actually find maps of where the where the
swarms are occurring, where the earthquakes are actually located. And
especially if you're in Iceland and you want to keep
track of that stuff, that's the place to go. I
also have an Iceland question for anybody who is ah
as a native of Iceland and currently lives there. This
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has nothing to do with volcanoes. I hope. I'm just
simply curious. Is it true that there is a an app,
maybe a dating app in Iceland that lets you know
if the person you might go on a date with
is related to you. Have you guys heard of this,
I've heard of the problem it is because I'm sorry,
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is it because of population size or like because of
like literally the gene pool of isolation over time and population.
But of course you know that's just my curiosity. I
I am. I am interesting because when I've has heard it,
it sounded like a onion story, or maybe not the onion.
Let us know, stay safe from the earthquakes and the volcanoes.
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It also makes me think of ask a Swede, like
that seemed like an onion article too. I loved it.
I loved Ask a Swede. I'm so sad that it's gone.
It was one of the only times in my life
I've liked being on the phone. That's I I I
last I did not get to experience this majesty. I
think this also. I think this also takes us to
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another question, which is our natural disasters of this sort
on the rise. I did a little digging into some
work from seismologists and vulcanologists, and it seems like, according
to them, we're about with it. We're within the thresholds
of normality or the usual amount of eruptions for I
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don't know about one, however, Yeah, I don't know. And also,
you know, we talked about solar minimums and maximums and
what effect that may or may not have on seismic activity,
and just you know, all the other factors that go
into what occurs beneath our feet on this planet. What
I'd love talking about that stuff, and I love learning
about it, and I'd be interested if you were listening,
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