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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Noelan. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
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week when we do something we like to call strange news.
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Our adventures today take us too well. They take us
to space, they take us to the hearts of government secrecy,
and they take us to Grizzly Story in Alaska. Matt,
I was thinking about this earlier, the past few times.
You know, we decided a lot of this stuff on
the flight. You've got last is the third piece of
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the segment, and I want to make sure we're giving
you your dude, do you do you want to start
off by taking us to a helicopter. Well, first of all,
I'm getting the chopper, Matt, get in the the chopper, Okay, yes,
Well we can get to the Chopper. What I would
just say, first of all, that's a purposeful thing on
my part, because you guys bring such amazing stories to
the table. And secondly, you know, I'm just usually unprepared.
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So let us let us move forward with this story
about a helicopter crash, very unfortunate tragedy that occurred in Alaska,
very very recently. There's a story in CNN that you
can read their stories in every major publication on this
right now. The New York Times piece is the one
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I originally read, so that's probably a good place to
start if you can access it. But if you go
to the CNN website, you can find a story titled
check billionaire Peter Kellner among five killed in helicopter crash
in Alaska. So there were five people on board a helicopter,
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or there were six people on board a helicopter, and
five of them perished, one of them survived. And this
occurred in Alaska. And this appears to be, at least
according to initial investigation, to be related to a skiing
slash vacation UM excursion. And the reason why this is
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notable and the reason why we're talking about it um
is because Peter Kelender was involved, and he is in
fact a billionaire. He is the richest person from the
Czech Republic, and he's a really interesting person. He isn't
necessarily conspiratorial. If you look him up, you look up
information on him, it's not as though he's involved in
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a ton of outright shady things. It's not as if
there appears to be some kind of motive initially or
reason to want to hurt him. Um. It's we're mostly
talking about this because when a billionaire dies, it affects
a lot of people. And um, that's mostly because of
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employment that occurs with somebody like that. And you know
it shares in companies that billionaires are attached to tend
to either fall or a rise, depending on you know,
their their character and how they're viewed by investors. A
lot of times, if it's a billionaire dying, that means
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stock is probably going to take a hit. Um, And
we are seeing that already right now with with some
stocks that Peter Kellner is associated with. I guess we
can just go through and discuss some of the information
in the article here, guys, and then we can kind
of talk about it. And here is a statement from
the PPF Group. This is a check investment company that
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Kellner co founded, has a really interesting past, and you know,
we can talk about the history of the Czech Republic
if we if we want to a little bit, but
mostly the most important thing to know is that it's
an investment company, large, large company called PPF Group. They said,
with great sadness, PPF announces that Peter Kellner tragically passed
away in a helicopter accident in the Alaskan Mountains. His
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professional life was known for his incredible work ethic and creativity,
but his private life belonged to his family. Let's talk
about Kellner's involvement with PPF. So he co founded in
quite a while ago, and it was specifically to to
work in the Czech economy as it was being privatized.
There were a lot of state owned companies and services
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that were being privatized, and this PPF Group. What they
would do is go in and basically take a company
that was owned by the state and turn it into
a private company. They would also just inject cash that
was needed for that transition and then they would have
part ownership. Sometimes other times they would own outright. Like
a lot of companies um Kellner himself owned nearly of
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the firm, according to CNN, and he has stakes in
more than two dozen other companies around the world. And
that's according to his own website that you can go to.
It's a PPF dot EU. Okay, so let's talk a
little bit about helicopter has been just from your your
experience on car stuff with all things that oh what
is the phrase car stuff? All things that flow, fly, swimmer,
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drive mat that's it. Okay. Uh, so I forget swim
is in there too, of like a submarine or anything
like that. So helicopters are a weird thing bent and
just this concept that you could have a propeller that
moves a thing up into the air and then can
propel itself very quickly just by angling slightly differently that
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that one propeller it's not a propeller with the blades.
The helicopters at the top the blades, got it, uh.
And then this tiny little scent of rotors in the
back that just keeps you going straight or turns you know,
turns you straits you. Um. These things have always really
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freaked me out personally just because it I I have
I have heard stories of how difficult it is to
master a helicopter and the controls that are so so
not finicky, that's not the right word. They're just very delicate.
You have to be very gentle in how you maneuver
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a helicopter with those controls, especially if you're the kind
of has the stick um. I don't know much about
how frequent helicopter crashes occur, but I do know that
there have been several notable ones in the past couple
of years. Think about Kobe Bryant and that that crash. Um.
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There have been a couple other large ones that ended
up making you know, like a viral splash where nobody
really got hurt, but a helicopter crashed in a spectacular way.
Because there are a lot of dangers with the surrounding
area when you're in a helicopter. If those rotors hit anything,
you're in big, big, big trouble. And you know, with
with trees, with power lines, with anything that's high enough
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in the air, you've got a lot of danger. You've
also got a lot of danger with air currents, and
sometimes you can have problems with temperature and moisture in
the air and all kinds of things. Like that. Um.
In this case, everything is still under investigation, but we
know for sure that it was an air bus a
S three five zero B three. That is the type
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of chopper that crashed, and it was owned by SOLOI
Helicopters s O l O Y Helicopters. They they're based
in Alaska, and they do is a really interesting company.
They do all kinds of helicopter flights for different reasons
for their miners that use it, like actual m I
N E r s who are out there looking for
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natural resources. Um. They've got all kinds of interesting stuff
with the military that they that they've done. Anyway, it's
an interesting company. So that is the specific type of
helicopter that crashed. Oh man, and they they this helicopter first,
This is a tragedy. I don't mean to laugh. I'm
not laughing about the unfortunate demise here, especially given that
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this man in particular was pretty young to die this way.
I was laughing because Hella. They were Hella ski like
h E l I skiing, not like California a lot
of skiing, Hella skiing. They were doing something called Heli skiing. Uh.
And because this involves helicopters, it may not be a
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pursuit for every one. If you're not too familiar with helicopters,
probably one of the best ways to describe them is
the motorcycles of the sky. That's that's a maybe a
little bit of a maybe a little bit of a
snarky phrase, but it's not inaccurate because they are very
sensitive machines. And you can think of aircraft similar to
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the way for all the video game fans in the
audience today, similar to the way you would think of
characters in a fighting game like tech in or uh,
what's an older one killer instinct or something like that,
and keep it simple, say street Fighter, you're sacrificing something
with the helicopter. You know, you're sacrificing your tank status,
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You're sacrificing your offensive status, all in exchange for a
kind of nimbleness that just cannot be matched by, you know,
like your typical bowing or something. That's why helicopters have
continued to be used. They can get to places that
other aircraft simply cannot at this time. And that's yes,
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that's even counting vt O L or vertical takeoff landing vehicles.
Those are the really cool like g I Joe looking
toy ones where the wings flip from horizontal to vertical
and they just kind of up into the air and
somehow don't crash. We still we're still not there officially,
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uh as far as governments have revealed. But helicopters themselves,
I think helicopter pilots are incredibly brave, and the vast
majority of helicopter accidents comes like the The most common
mechanical failure is going to be a rotor detaching from
the engine, which is trouble very quickly. But the most
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common overall cause of a crash is pilot error, and
that can be especially that can be even more common
in a place that has a lot of implement Weather
conditions like Alaska can be brutal depending on where you're flying,
for the air currents that you just described, Matt, for
the possibility of storms. Uh, this this is definitely, this
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is definitely a risky endeavor. But then again, you know,
if you're a billionaire wants to go hella skiing, you
can't do that with your private jet. There's not a runway. Yeah,
so let's talk about what that means for hella skiing.
For for going on a ski trip. A lot of
times you would go up on a gondola or you know,
go up the slopes essentially just sit on something that
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then moves you up the mountain. In this case, hella skiing,
you're literally jumping on a helicopter and being flown or
being taken up to a high spot, a far flung
spot where they're not allowed of other people around, where
there's a lot of I don't know the correct skiing terms,
I've never actually been before, but there's snow that's untouched
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by a bunch of other people going down it. Can
you see undriven snow? Yeah, I've heard virgins now. Uh yeah,
that's it's like that basically. Um, And well, let's talk
about where they were and why they were doing this. So,
according to a lot of sources, Peter Kellner and family
were we're hanging out at this place called the toward Rio,
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I believe that's how you would say it, toward Rillo
Mountain Lodge there in Alaska. It appears to be several
different lodges that exists kind of in the middle of
nowhere out in Alaska, and they're a little expensive. You guys,
if you want to rent one of these lodges, you
can get some that are like eight guests up to
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eight guests. Uh. And if you're gonna do that and
you fill it up with eight guests, everybody's gonna pay
fifteen grand per person or your if you want to
rent the whole thing for a private event, it's a
hundred and twenty thousand dollars um. And each of these,
when you rent them, gets this a star helicopter two loads,
four guests per load, and that I believe is just
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to get the guests to the lodge. That's what that
helicopter includes. I don't know if that includes the hell
of skiing. I haven't actually tried to book one of
these dates. I apologize. I'm trying not to laugh. I
just keep thinking somebody like putting their thumb in their
little finger up and going like hella ski and bro
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because it's so much same some hell of skiing you
got right there. I'm a monster people. Okay, sorry, okay,
so you're a monster, but no, no, you're okay. But
it's it is h it's it feels ridiculous because it's
just this one trip is so much money, is and
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so out of reach for a lot of people, including us,
to you know, to be able to drop the kind
of money to do that kind of thing. It does
feel a little weird to even imagine, but but you know,
this is a man who he and his family have
all out of money. According to Bloomberg, Mr Kellner, who
passed away at fifty six, was worth around fifteen point
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seven billion dollars. On Forbes, it listed him as like
being worth seventeen points something billion dollars. But he was
definitely in the one, like around a hundred and twentie
richest person on the planet um when it comes to
the billionaire status of human beings, which is the ridiculous
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like point zero zero zero zero one present richest people.
So he could afford fifteen grand for whatever. I want
to talk about why there could be something else to this,
and then we're going to finish the story, you guys,
simply because there's so much money wrapped up in this
PPF group. You can go to Reuters dot com. They've
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got a really great PPF group fact box, like a
fact check essentially to give you quick information on what
Mr Kelln there was attached to. What PPF was attached
to in the kinds of companies that it owned and
things that it did. UM. Stuff like home Credit, which
is a consumer lender in Europe and Asia. Um. There's
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a lot of money involved there and they the group
got it I think pretty recently. They acquired it pretty recently,
and they made a lot of money. I believe in
twenty nineteen they made four hundred million euros net profit
off that company. Pretty great, second largest lender in Russia
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I think. But there's criticism that there are some of
their loans may be considered predatory. We're talking about north
of interest in some cases. Yeah, some weird stuff going
on there. But they made a crapload of money. But
then when the pandemic hit and occurred, as we all remember,
they lost five hundred and eighty four million euros so
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word net profit four million, and then minus way more
than that the next year. I'm just saying that's not good.
That could be an issue for somebody if you're talking
about someone who would want to do harm to him.
Um O to Czech Republic is a telecom telenor c
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E is a mobile operator. UM God, there's all kinds.
There's the the Czech Republic's the largest data in communications
network which was at one point oh two, which we
just mentioned, is this thing called Seaton Katon. I don't
know how to say it correctly, but it's c E
T I N It's huge. It's a fiber optic company
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essentially that I don't know if it's an I sp
I imagine it is. But at least there there are
COLMS network. Um they were talking about going into an
I p O for this, like an initial public offering.
I don't know if there's other stuff in here that
you can look at, Scota Transportation, Central European media enterprises.
It's crazy check Toll is on here. That's the one
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that's uh, not checked toll, but major media enterprises and
companies in Central Europe. One thing that's weird about this
that I don't know if this this may be in
the New York Times article, but there's uh Kelner was
actually the owner of the last major TV outfit in
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Bulgaria that was not state owned or state controlled. I'm
not of course, that's not the same thing as saying
like Bulgarian assassin's got to him or something like that.
This is a tragedy and helicopter crash has happened all
the time. But now, because to the earlier fantastic point
you made, Matt, now that a billionaire has died unexpectedly, nations,
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not just employees, nations are influenced. And this means that upwards,
for Bulgaria, upwards of seventy percent of television and media
in the country could become, you know, clearly government controlled,
tied to the same people who are obviously oligarchical or
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considered oligarchical. You know, because the post USSR collapse, a
lot of people in in former Soviet states did the
same kind of thing that Putin and Code did, where
they bought up national industries and resources and became wealthy
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beyond the dreams of of average people. So we don't know.
And then there's the concern about his heavy ties with
the government of China and Russia, of course, so there
there are a lot of questions. They don't I have
a pitch for you, guys. I want to see what
you think about this. I pose it to you that
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becoming a billionaire, or existing in as a billionaire inherently
tie is one to a number of real conspiracies. Not
necessarily bad. You're just such a big fish. You know
what I mean, the water moves differently around you. What
do you think crazy? Not crazy? Possible, possible, I don't
entirely possible, plausible even I don't think that's crazy at all.
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Just when you're considering the amount of money, think about
it this way. Think of the amount of money that
you need to donate on a yearly basis in or
like that, you would probably donate on a yearly basis
just to avoid the amount of taxes that would be
coming out of your accounts every year. Um. When you're
donating that amount of money, you know that alone could
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be an issue because many times you won't know exactly
who you're donating to it. Maybe you know a specific
organization or an n g O or through all these
like places where your money may end up. Uh. They
had the Kendar Family I believe it's correct. They had
the Kender Family Foundation. Yes, that's correct. Uh. Peter and
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Nada Kellner founded it in two thousand nine. That's an
interesting thing to look into again. That's that's like the
good stuff you can do with money. There's also really
bad stuff you can do with money. We have no
idea what Peter Kelender was doing with it um. And
we're not alleging here that he was doing anything wrong.
We're also not alleging that he was killed. There's an
investigation going on right now to figure out what exactly happened.
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And just as you said, Ben, everybody is keeping their
eyes peeled to find out if there was something going
on here because a lot of people set to benefit
from Mr Kellner his influence and his money, and a
lot of people may have been spurned at some point
by that same those same forces. So we're just gonna
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keep an eye on this one and keep our ears perked,
and uh, we'll let you know if we hear anything more.
Now we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be
right back with more strange news. And we have returned.
We're leaving Alaska and the US and Earth temporarily. We're
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traveling to deep space, but not perhaps in an inspiring,
you know, beautiful fun science the adventure kind of way. Instead,
we're traveling a much more doc could I get some
like scary space music trufect, a much more event horizon way,
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a much more early Aliens franchise way. You see, it
turns out that a darkness from beyond the stars is
destroying our galactic neighbors. I love how Lovecraftian and creepy
this is. But the with we don't really need the
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drama for this because the the story itself is already
pretty disturbing. Here's what's happening. So if you can travel
at the speed of light and you want to visit
some local stars in our neighborhood, then for a while
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you would have wanted to travel to a star cluster
known as Hyades. The Hyades are about a hundred and
fifty three light years away, and if you look up
in the night sky and there's not too much pollution,
you'll see it as the V shaped collection of stars
at the head of the constellation that we call Taurus
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here in the West. The thing is that when you
look at it with a telescope, you will be able
to see that it's a group of stars that are
bound together by the covenant of gravity. It's about sixty
light years across. But what we learned recently is that
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we're looking at something that's a lot less like a
a brand new helicopter and a lot more like the
remnants of something that crashed. Because this star cluster used
to have thousands and thousands more stars, but something got them.
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Just in case, you know, anybody who was feeling too comfortable,
I think I saw a tweet you did, Ben like
this is the season finale we all deserve or something
like that. Uh, maybe not deserve, but something effectively say okay, great,
like star destroying whatever, like that's what's next? Yes, yes, right,
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So here's here's what happened. So these this cluster is
about seven hundred million years old, which is a crazy
number and it's weird to think about that much less,
you know, it's like trying to amagine what a billion is.
You know, you'd have to be Peter Kellner to pull
that off. This thing is a novelist because these kinds
of clusters can slowly fall apart over time, right, due
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to the change in the life cycle of the star
and so on. But that's not the case. Here. Some
huge mass of something hit them and then kais are
so said, the hell out a dodge, the hell out
of this cosmic dodge. No one has a clear suspect.
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Research fellow Teresa jarrech Vova, who wrote about this and
and kind of got us onto this mystery, says that
you know, maybe it could have been a gas cloud,
or maybe it could have been another star cluster of
some sort, but there's nothing in the vicinity that could
conceivably do that, which means that everybody the whole time
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right that it means everybody's favorite spooky villain in the
world of astronomy, dark matter comes into play. And this
is weird because dark matter is yet to be confirmed substance.
We know something like it probably exists. It would explain
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a lot of questions people have, but there's no you know,
there's no like well of the according to official word,
there's no like top secret lab in a bunker somewhere
where there's a little vial of just straight up dark matter,
and everybody's like, stay away from it. You start speaking
a weird language. We think it's Samarian. We're not sure,
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but that would be cool. Was someone should write that
this stuff is it's supposed to surround and inhabit galaxies
and it's, like you said, Matt, invisible but massive. So
it could potentially end up in a big, loose clump
that interacts with a star cluster in a way that
we can't see because our vision is partially obscured. We
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can only we can only we think tell the effects
and the actions of this dark matter. But watching it
destroys something or watching the results of that would be
like us watching an invisible person attacks something, you know
what I mean? Tar Apart that helicopter. This this is
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strange because it comes on the heels of another recent
discovery that there seems to be a massive structure of
some sort underpinning the universe as we know it. Did
you guys hear about this one? I did not. Yeah,
I'm learning about this for the first time right now.
Um wow. So it looks as though the person that
you just mentioned to Teresa, Teresa, this person did run
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the tests multiple times of simulations because it's just data
and running simulations about what could have caused this and
what would make sense. It looks as though they're spending
quite a bit of time attempting to figure it out.
And it does feel like it's very early in the
discovery phase. I am interested to see what comes up,
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what comes of this, because that's not very far away.
A hundred hundred fifty three hundred fifty three light years,
is that correct? That's correct? So in in galactic tertains,
it's a lot like you walk outside of your house
one day in a suburban neighborhood and you turn around
and you say, oh, my neighbor used to have a
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roof and at least a much bigger house. Where did
he go? There no missing bricks, et cetera. Well, that's
the entirely true that the way they found it is
pretty clever. There are trails that they observed and they
couldn't explain what we're described as tidal streams and title
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tales in the star cluster. Those are threads of stars
that have star did to come loose from the cluster,
both in front and behind it, meaning that something out
there in the ink is capable of moving an entire star.
I mean, do you even lift bro that's humbling. So
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we've got we've got some excellent research from the European
Space Agency, which is where jereb Cova is, and the
European Southern Observatory. But the more they learn about it,
the more they notice from those simulations that they just
can't explain what's happening, but they can kind of gettish
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sense of of the size, at least without knowing exactly
what it is. They believe that the best way for
them to explain whatever is eating these stars is to
say that it was something about ten million times the
mass of the Sun. That's how big something would need
to be to do this, getting right next door to
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us in galactic terms. Uh, and that is so big
that it wouldn't have had to necessarily be a collision
or necessarily be some kind of consumption, you know what
I mean, like a black hole or whatever going through Instead,
for something that big, they would just need to have
a quote close interaction and what what could they have
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a close interaction with? And that's why they're thinking dark matter.
Because even though we haven't proven the existence of dark
matter or haven't officially confirmed it to everyone's satisfaction, experts
calculate that dark matter makes up roughly eight percent of
all matter in the universe, meaning that we listening to
and making this podcast today are very much in the
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minority when it comes to matter. We know that this stuff,
if it exists, or we theorize it, if dark matter existed,
it was shape normal matter into the galaxies we all today.
And I thought of when I read this, I wanted
to share it with everyone because it reminds me of
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a project we did a number of years ago, where
we've thought, what are the various ways the world could
end without you knowing too far in advance and without
you being able to stop it? Right, So, like the
decay of the natural environment is something that people can
see happening over time, but where one gamma ray burst
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away from the end of the world. You guys remember
those things? Yeah, oh yeah, I want to learn more
about these what do they call them ben sub halos
dark matter sub halos. Yes, this is something from that
European Space Agency article that that I was looking at.
Ben UM. It's saying that these sub halos are naturally
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occurring clumps of dark matter that are thought to help
shape the galaxy during its formation. Okay, so, like you
were saying, if dark matter is not just theoretical and
is real, then these chunks of it, these clumps of
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dark matter, end up being the substructures. It's so interesting
to me. I don't know, it's hard to it's hard
to even conceptualize in my mind, but but it would
make total sense. It would make total sense gravitationally, I guess,
or you know, because that's that's the thing that I
don't understand. If it's dark matter. Is it physically interacting
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or is it just getting close enough to have a
gravitational pull essentially that then changes the star. I need
to get a degree or something or take a class.
I mean, maybe we just need to do more mushrooms. Honestly,
maybe it will make more sense that I mean, you know,
I just watched the old Snyder cut we've been talking about,
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and there's some kind of galaxy destroying concepts explored in that,
you know, methos, I guess with the mother boxes and
what's it called ben the formula of like they're they're
searching for the dark sand side is searching for the
anti life, which I thought was a little unclear the
way it was spelled out. I'm sure it's much more,
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uh you know, um fleshed out in the comics. But
it seems to be that things like infinity stones and
mother boxes and all that harness some kind of force
that can you know, on on the on one side
be of creation, but then on the flip side b
of destruction. Uh. And I think that's kind of what
we're talking about here a little bit, you know, the
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real science e impetus behind you know, comic tropes like that. Yes, well,
the the anti life equation is uh, pretty much exactly
what they described in the Snyder cut. It was. It
was just a different time when they were making a
dark Side. Who came before Thanos? By the way, I
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believe there's a story where Marvel creators came it came
together and said this dark Side guys, awesome, let's make one.
Let's make him just different enough. Ripple is checking a
little bit. You know, I completely agree with you in
terms of the look of it. But I actually brought
this up with a dear friend of mine who's visiting,
who's a super old school marble head, like he's you know,
(33:19):
pushing sixty, and I mean, you know, it was in
it when it was originally coming out, and I asked
him the very same thing where I was like, you know,
which came first, dark Side or Thanos? And I do
believe that what you're saying is absolutely correct, Ben, But
the idea of the mother boxes and the whole like
coalescing of these artifacts to make a big world destroying thing,
(33:40):
that because I think Thano's originally right exactly, Yeah, that
came later. Yeah, so we have competing mythologies speaking together.
But it turns out I I don't know, you know,
we'll move on here because I don't have uh much
report than there. Then that there is a huge thing
(34:01):
we don't know about. Uh. The species, the human species
and all the creatures that live on this planet are
essentially like the old trope of somebody who finds themselves
an endless open water of the ocean, unable to see
what swims beneath. That's the situation we're in. It just
happens to be in space. That's the announcement for today. Everybody,
(34:24):
live your normal lives to the fullest, because we don't
know what's coming. We have no idea when, and we
certainly have no way to prevent these sorts of galactic
disasters from occurring to our very own start. I know
I give it a hard time, specially in things like
our sunscreen episode, but we do need the sun much
(34:44):
more than it needs us. So UH, stay safe, everybody.
I don't know what else to say here. UH will
pause for a word from our sponsors, And provided we
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And we're back. UH. And and and we're still in space now,
I'm not really in space in the concept of space.
And we'll start off with a headline from Forbes, an
article by Danny de plu cd. Headline is one is
shaping up to be the year of the UFO UM,
and that is, you know, for quite quite a few reasons. UM.
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First and foremost, it appears that we are about to
get another mega document dump from the d O D
of de classified reports dealing with you know what in
popular culture and science fiction and television and all of
that is typically referred to as UFOs, but has been
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kind of rebranded to ground it a little bit in
the concept so it doesn't seem quite as scary as
U a p s. And we've talked about this many times,
but that is unidentified aerial phenomena UM. And John Ratcliffe,
who formerly served under the Trump administration as the Director
of National Intelligence Community, UH, and that was from May
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to January of one. UM recently on Fox News, UM
speaking with Maria Bata Romo indicated that m a sighting
of one of these U a p s appeared to
break the sound barrier without making a sonic boom. And
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this is a big deal, right, um, simply because you know, typically,
as you know, physics dictates when an aircraft uh reaches
the speed of sound um, and as it's increasing its speed,
the pressure around it. These waves, these pressure waves build
up and event really kind of combine and coalesced into
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a single shock wave. And when the plane then beats
that shock wave, essentially you know, goes faster than that
shock wave uh and travels faster than the speed of
sound while in the air, it causes that pressure to
very quickly change, which creates an audible sound known as
a sonic boom. UM. And we in the science that
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we know, in the physics and technology that we know,
as a civilization and as you know, pretty as a
pretty crafty and technologically minded species, obviously have not figured
out a way to to not have that thing happen.
It is certainly a thing that in order to let's say,
maintain covert operations, UH not give away your position that
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scientists and engineers have worked to eliminate or reduce, but
they haven't figured out how to get rid of it entirely. Um.
And this report that's being dis gust here that appears
to be part of an upcoming information dump. Um, this
seems to have been documented. Uh. And Ratcliffe had this
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to say of the Pentagon's position of some of the
stuff in this reported sighting. We always look for a
plausible explanation, you know, whether it can cause disturbances, visual disturbances.
Sometimes we wonder whether or not our adversaries have technologies
that are a little bit further down the road than
we thought or what we realize. But there are instances
where we don't have good explanation for some of the
(38:32):
things that we've seen. Uh, and this is definitely one
of those. Uh. And in the reporting around this, UM,
there's conjecture that it's not quite clear why he decided
to talk about this at this exact moment, but that
it may well uh foreshadow a massive report that the
Pentagon may be releasing soon and you know, in a
(38:54):
declassified form they have because Ratcliffe, Actually, that's exactly right,
that's exactly right. And and Ratcliffe said that prior to
leaving office, you know, at the end of of the
Trump administration, he was working to declassify a lot of
this stuff and it didn't quite work out. The timing
didn't work out. UM, So I don't know, it seems
(39:17):
like a like a the idea of the the year
of the of the UFO isn't too far off the
mark with some of the things that we've seen. Uh,
certainly some of the videos that were declassified showing some
pretty hard to explain aerial phenomenon. It does feel like
we have acknowledged as a government, as a country that
these things do exist, whether they're you know, we've talked
(39:39):
about with what that actually means, doesn't mean they're from
another dimension or from from you know, some other much
more advanced technologically advanced civilization. I don't think anyone is
saying that or that that's necessarily the first go to
explanation for this, but it's certainly interesting that it's being
discussed so openly now for the first time. Uh. And
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isn't making as big as a splash as one might think. Yes,
And I know we talked about this a little while
back when this legislation was first passed through, right when
we're anticipating it, I guess. But it's really interesting to
see more and more officials come forward and discuss it
like this, just to hear what people are actually thinking
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it's going to happen. Because you know, we too many
times we've been through this kind of thing before where
nothing really happens. Right now, I wanna um, I want
to jump to that whatever that U A p or
UFO was that went so quickly but didn't pop or
didn't make a large crack, didn't make a sonic boom.
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It's sonic but did not boom. Correct, there you go,
went full sonic, no boom. But the I want to
talk about NASA's X fifty nine aircraft Ben's specifically it's
reminding me. It's reminding me of the X three seven
B that we've discussed before, except this one is and
it's meant to have a pilot in it at least one.
(41:04):
And it is a fascinating looking vehicle. No, this thing
is crazy one. And did you see that it's on
the Live Science article you linked us too. Yes, I
mean it looks like the X wing, you know, practically
it's it has that kind of I mean, it's like
I got a needle nose tip, kind of very very tapered,
(41:24):
I'm very pointy. Uh. And yeah, it really looks like
a combination of some kind of spacecraft with some sort
of you know, supersonic spy plane. Yeah, it looks like
a pointy rocket with a human attached in there in
a couple of wings. As somewhat of an afterthought, but
I'd love to get your take on this thing again,
(41:45):
just connecting it back to some of the X the
x UH project or the X class aircraft coming out
a NASA. Sure, yeah, so bideness. The thing here is
that by necessity, out of these projects are secret at
some point or classified, So it's quite possible that this
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could be some sort of man made craft. It's also,
if we want to play a little more of the
skeptical end, it's also possible that there was some maybe
error in detection or error in technology that just didn't
allow people to register the sonic boom. But I think
that's pretty unlikely from the way it's reported. Uh and
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and Ratcliffe, by the way, is when he says we
were hurrying to get that report out before the end
of the previous administration, he's referring to that one hundred
and eight day deadline that Congress gave gave the crew
to report everything about UFOs that they could reasonably declassify.
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What's tricky and they have to check in to be
fair they have to check in every six months. I
think the way the order is written, but to be complete,
be honest, there are a lot of loopholes in this,
and they pertained to some of those X vehicles that
you mentioned, Matt. Because if if the Pentagon says, okay,
we can explain this footage here. You know, it's our
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X cool whip, which we called because we thought it
was a cool whip in the sky, but we couldn't
tell anybody about it because then various rival governments will
be aware of our capabilities, will no longer be able
to use this for surveillance, or to use this for reconnaissance,
or to use this for you know, in the extreme
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cases an attack or a rescue mission or a targeted killing,
a k A and assassination. And and the name is
already trademarked ben cool Whip. I think Uncle Sam will
take care of that or has cool Whip bit of
government brought all along. That's that's the boy. But now
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you're right, you're right, this like it does feel like this.
This maybe the quote unquote year of the UFO the
way forms phrases it. But also we've been in this
sort of alice in Wonderland, Jam yesterday, Jam tomorrow, never
Jam today kind of situation with disclosure. So I would
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pose it maybe not for the hardcore UFO enthusiasts or
people who study this closely, like Greenwalt, the guy who
made the Black Vault available online. Thanks if you're listening.
But but I would pose it that people are going
to encounter a bit of UFO fatigue unless they see
something really big in the coming weeks or months, because otherwise,
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you know, we talked about it in the past. It's
strange how quickly the the most bizarre stuff becomes normalized
in human experience. Right, Like we just spent a year
sitting in our houses, many many people that like pandemic
life became a normal thing. And now are reports of
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uh declassified UFO footage or unidentified aerial phenomena footage. Are
they becoming normalized themselves? Because you know, I can assure you,
fellow conspiracy realists, we spent years waiting for this stuff
that seems to come out like every month. Now it's
it's bizarre. Uh, it's indicative of something, but I don't
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know what. Is it indicative of a change in government policy?
Is it indicative of m as. Some people have proposed
a larger aim to like slowly break the news to
people that uh UFOs are real and if so, or
are UFOs are real and non terrestrial in origin or
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something like that. I mean, if so, I would question
the calculus. They're like, why why release that kind of
information incrementally? I know there's a logic, but I just
I don't know how sound it is. What do you
guys think? Yeah, I don't know, man. What all I
know is that in this particular instance, the NASSA X
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fifty nine was specifically designed to go super supersonic and
not make a big sound, and they are specifically they were,
at least in twenty nineteen, flying it above select US
communities to generate data from censors and quote people on
the ground in order to gauge public perception so they
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could figure out, well, how how much does this bother
the people below? How many people are saying, Hey, there's
a weird thump that I heard. It wasn't really allowed,
but it was definitely a thump and I could feel
it in the middle of the night. It was weird.
I'm not sure what it was. Well, and there was
a thing of a light that was buzzing past really quickly.
I'm not sure what that was. Just for a second,
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it was there, just for a second. I heard thump,
I woke up, I saw the light. I went back
to sleep. That depend to report they're hoping for, But
you're right, it doesn't that importantly though. It doesn't completely
negate the the boom, right, it's just like a very
good silencer for the boom. I think that's as close
(47:15):
as they've got it officially. It's an interesting place to
to to be. It's an interesting time to be alive.
A lot of very strange things kind of coalescing at
the same time, uh, socially, um, you know, biologically and
now with some of this stuff. But I guess the
thing that's always kind of blown me away about some
of these revelations, I think you're right, it's that it's
(47:37):
that UFO fatigue, right, unless we really start to see
some real day to come out, which I'm skeptical that
they would release anything that would, you know, be game
changing in that respect. But what we'll see, I mean,
some of the stuff that we've already seen in little
drips and drabs feels game changing to me, but also
it feels like a lot of uh, nothing's been really.
(47:57):
It feels like underwhelming the the elective you know response
and kind of like, well, okay, that's cool, but not
like mind blown territory. So I don't know what do
people want short of just like a gray stepping out
of a DeLorean, you know, and shaking hands with the president.
I got if it got caught in the Suez Canal,
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it would get way more news coverage. Yeah, it seems
shade anything that affects my My Amazon deliveries are like
my stock portfolio that that makes the news. But yeah,
unidentified aerial phenomenon, uh, not so much. And dare you
have it? You know? Can you imagine how spoiled we
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must look to people researching UFOs in the past, because
we're like another video, another video confirmed by the Pentagon
who denied it for decades. I guess I'll see if
the memes are fire, and then I'll decide if I
care about it. But that's that's Uh. This is an
interesting time and it's an amazing story to watch unfold.
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And I think one thing we can agree on is
that we know for sure this is not the last
we'll hear about this from the Pentagon because again they
are obligated to produce that big report that you know,
it might be an info dump, it might be an
exercise in the overuse of black highlighters. We just don't
know at this point, but that that anticipation can keep
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us going. I I really enjoyed this story, Nol, and
I enjoyed you know, we had an aviation space thing
going on today. Uh, Matt, I, I agree with you
that the death of billionaires can move nations. The way
that some unknown force out there in the galaxy appears
to literally be moving stars and may head towards us.
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Our adventures today take us too well. They take us
to space, they take us to the hearts of government secrecy,
and they take us to Grizzly Story in Alaska. Matt,
I was thinking about this earlier, the past few times.
You know, we decided a lot of this stuff on
the flight. You've got last is the third piece of
(01:10):
the segment, and I want to make sure we're giving
you your dude, do you do you want to start
off by taking us to a helicopter. Well, first of all,
I'm getting the chopper, Matt, get in the the chopper, Okay, yes,
Well we can get to the Chopper. What I would
just say, first of all, that's a purposeful thing on
my part, because you guys bring such amazing stories to
the table. And secondly, you know, I'm just usually unprepared.
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So let us let us move forward with this story
about a helicopter crash, very unfortunate tragedy that occurred in Alaska,
very very recently. There's a story in CNN that you
can read their stories in every major publication on this
right now. The New York Times piece is the one
(01:54):
I originally read, so that's probably a good place to
start if you can access it. But if you go
to the CNN website, you can find a story titled
check billionaire Peter Kellner among five killed in helicopter crash
in Alaska. So there were five people on board a helicopter,
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or there were six people on board a helicopter, and
five of them perished, one of them survived. And this
occurred in Alaska. And this appears to be, at least
according to initial investigation, to be related to a skiing
slash vacation UM excursion. And the reason why this is
(02:38):
notable and the reason why we're talking about it um
is because Peter Kelender was involved, and he is in
fact a billionaire. He is the richest person from the
Czech Republic, and he's a really interesting person. He isn't
necessarily conspiratorial. If you look him up, you look up
information on him, it's not as though he's involved in
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a ton of outright shady things. It's not as if
there appears to be some kind of motive initially or
reason to want to hurt him. Um. It's we're mostly
talking about this because when a billionaire dies, it affects
a lot of people. And um, that's mostly because of
(03:23):
employment that occurs with somebody like that. And you know
it shares in companies that billionaires are attached to tend
to either fall or a rise, depending on you know,
their their character and how they're viewed by investors. A
lot of times, if it's a billionaire dying, that means
(03:43):
stock is probably going to take a hit. Um, And
we are seeing that already right now with with some
stocks that Peter Kellner is associated with. I guess we
can just go through and discuss some of the information
in the article here, guys, and then we can kind
of talk about it. And here is a statement from
the PPF Group. This is a check investment company that
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Kellner co founded, has a really interesting past, and you know,
we can talk about the history of the Czech Republic
if we if we want to a little bit, but
mostly the most important thing to know is that it's
an investment company, large, large company called PPF Group. They said,
with great sadness, PPF announces that Peter Kellner tragically passed
away in a helicopter accident in the Alaskan Mountains. His
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professional life was known for his incredible work ethic and creativity,
but his private life belonged to his family. Let's talk
about Kellner's involvement with PPF. So he co founded in
quite a while ago, and it was specifically to to
work in the Czech economy as it was being privatized.
There were a lot of state owned companies and services
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that were being privatized, and this PPF Group. What they
would do is go in and basically take a company
that was owned by the state and turn it into
a private company. They would also just inject cash that
was needed for that transition and then they would have
part ownership. Sometimes other times they would own outright. Like
a lot of companies um Kellner himself owned nearly of
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the firm, according to CNN, and he has stakes in
more than two dozen other companies around the world. And
that's according to his own website that you can go to.
It's a PPF dot EU. Okay, so let's talk a
little bit about helicopter has been just from your your
experience on car stuff with all things that oh what
is the phrase car stuff? All things that flow, fly, swimmer,
(05:37):
drive mat that's it. Okay. Uh, so I forget swim
is in there too, of like a submarine or anything
like that. So helicopters are a weird thing bent and
just this concept that you could have a propeller that
moves a thing up into the air and then can
propel itself very quickly just by angling slightly differently that
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that one propeller it's not a propeller with the blades.
The helicopters at the top the blades, got it, uh.
And then this tiny little scent of rotors in the
back that just keeps you going straight or turns you know,
turns you straits you. Um. These things have always really
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freaked me out personally just because it I I have
I have heard stories of how difficult it is to
master a helicopter and the controls that are so so
not finicky, that's not the right word. They're just very delicate.
You have to be very gentle in how you maneuver
(06:42):
a helicopter with those controls, especially if you're the kind
of has the stick um. I don't know much about
how frequent helicopter crashes occur, but I do know that
there have been several notable ones in the past couple
of years. Think about Kobe Bryant and that that crash. Um.
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There have been a couple other large ones that ended
up making you know, like a viral splash where nobody
really got hurt, but a helicopter crashed in a spectacular way.
Because there are a lot of dangers with the surrounding
area when you're in a helicopter. If those rotors hit anything,
you're in big, big, big trouble. And you know, with
with trees, with power lines, with anything that's high enough
(07:27):
in the air, you've got a lot of danger. You've
also got a lot of danger with air currents, and
sometimes you can have problems with temperature and moisture in
the air and all kinds of things. Like that. Um.
In this case, everything is still under investigation, but we
know for sure that it was an air bus a
S three five zero B three. That is the type
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of chopper that crashed, and it was owned by SOLOI
Helicopters s O l O Y Helicopters. They they're based
in Alaska, and they do is a really interesting company.
They do all kinds of helicopter flights for different reasons
for their miners that use it, like actual m I
N E r s who are out there looking for
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natural resources. Um. They've got all kinds of interesting stuff
with the military that they that they've done. Anyway, it's
an interesting company. So that is the specific type of
helicopter that crashed. Oh man, and they they this helicopter first,
This is a tragedy. I don't mean to laugh. I'm
not laughing about the unfortunate demise here, especially given that
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this man in particular was pretty young to die this way.
I was laughing because Hella. They were Hella ski like
h E l I skiing, not like California a lot
of skiing, Hella skiing. They were doing something called Heli skiing. Uh.
And because this involves helicopters, it may not be a
(08:58):
pursuit for every one. If you're not too familiar with helicopters,
probably one of the best ways to describe them is
the motorcycles of the sky. That's that's a maybe a
little bit of a maybe a little bit of a
snarky phrase, but it's not inaccurate because they are very
sensitive machines. And you can think of aircraft similar to
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the way for all the video game fans in the
audience today, similar to the way you would think of
characters in a fighting game like tech in or uh,
what's an older one killer instinct or something like that,
and keep it simple, say street Fighter, you're sacrificing something
with the helicopter. You know, you're sacrificing your tank status,
(09:43):
You're sacrificing your offensive status, all in exchange for a
kind of nimbleness that just cannot be matched by, you know,
like your typical bowing or something. That's why helicopters have
continued to be used. They can get to places that
other aircraft simply cannot at this time. And that's yes,
(10:06):
that's even counting vt O L or vertical takeoff landing vehicles.
Those are the really cool like g I Joe looking
toy ones where the wings flip from horizontal to vertical
and they just kind of up into the air and
somehow don't crash. We still we're still not there officially,
(10:27):
uh as far as governments have revealed. But helicopters themselves,
I think helicopter pilots are incredibly brave, and the vast
majority of helicopter accidents comes like the The most common
mechanical failure is going to be a rotor detaching from
the engine, which is trouble very quickly. But the most
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common overall cause of a crash is pilot error, and
that can be especially that can be even more common
in a place that has a lot of implement Weather
conditions like Alaska can be brutal depending on where you're flying,
for the air currents that you just described, Matt, for
the possibility of storms. Uh, this this is definitely, this
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is definitely a risky endeavor. But then again, you know,
if you're a billionaire wants to go hella skiing, you
can't do that with your private jet. There's not a runway. Yeah,
so let's talk about what that means for hella skiing.
For for going on a ski trip. A lot of
times you would go up on a gondola or you know,
go up the slopes essentially just sit on something that
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then moves you up the mountain. In this case, hella skiing,
you're literally jumping on a helicopter and being flown or
being taken up to a high spot, a far flung
spot where they're not allowed of other people around, where
there's a lot of I don't know the correct skiing terms,
I've never actually been before, but there's snow that's untouched
(11:54):
by a bunch of other people going down it. Can
you see undriven snow? Yeah, I've heard virgins now. Uh yeah,
that's it's like that basically. Um, And well, let's talk
about where they were and why they were doing this. So,
according to a lot of sources, Peter Kellner and family
were we're hanging out at this place called the toward Rio,
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I believe that's how you would say it, toward Rillo
Mountain Lodge there in Alaska. It appears to be several
different lodges that exists kind of in the middle of
nowhere out in Alaska, and they're a little expensive. You guys,
if you want to rent one of these lodges, you
can get some that are like eight guests up to
(12:42):
eight guests. Uh. And if you're gonna do that and
you fill it up with eight guests, everybody's gonna pay
fifteen grand per person or your if you want to
rent the whole thing for a private event, it's a
hundred and twenty thousand dollars um. And each of these,
when you rent them, gets this a star helicopter two loads,
four guests per load, and that I believe is just
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to get the guests to the lodge. That's what that
helicopter includes. I don't know if that includes the hell
of skiing. I haven't actually tried to book one of
these dates. I apologize. I'm trying not to laugh. I
just keep thinking somebody like putting their thumb in their
little finger up and going like hella ski and bro
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because it's so much same some hell of skiing you
got right there. I'm a monster people. Okay, sorry, okay,
so you're a monster, but no, no, you're okay. But
it's it is h it's it feels ridiculous because it's
just this one trip is so much money, is and
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so out of reach for a lot of people, including us,
to you know, to be able to drop the kind
of money to do that kind of thing. It does
feel a little weird to even imagine, but but you know,
this is a man who he and his family have
all out of money. According to Bloomberg, Mr Kellner, who
passed away at fifty six, was worth around fifteen point
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seven billion dollars. On Forbes, it listed him as like
being worth seventeen points something billion dollars. But he was
definitely in the one, like around a hundred and twentie
richest person on the planet um when it comes to
the billionaire status of human beings, which is the ridiculous
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like point zero zero zero zero one present richest people.
So he could afford fifteen grand for whatever. I want
to talk about why there could be something else to this,
and then we're going to finish the story, you guys,
simply because there's so much money wrapped up in this
PPF group. You can go to Reuters dot com. They've
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got a really great PPF group fact box, like a
fact check essentially to give you quick information on what
Mr Kelln there was attached to. What PPF was attached
to in the kinds of companies that it owned and
things that it did. UM. Stuff like home Credit, which
is a consumer lender in Europe and Asia. Um. There's
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a lot of money involved there and they the group
got it I think pretty recently. They acquired it pretty recently,
and they made a lot of money. I believe in
twenty nineteen they made four hundred million euros net profit
off that company. Pretty great, second largest lender in Russia
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I think. But there's criticism that there are some of
their loans may be considered predatory. We're talking about north
of interest in some cases. Yeah, some weird stuff going
on there. But they made a crapload of money. But
then when the pandemic hit and occurred, as we all remember,
they lost five hundred and eighty four million euros so
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word net profit four million, and then minus way more
than that the next year. I'm just saying that's not good.
That could be an issue for somebody if you're talking
about someone who would want to do harm to him.
Um O to Czech Republic is a telecom telenor c
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E is a mobile operator. UM God, there's all kinds.
There's the the Czech Republic's the largest data in communications
network which was at one point oh two, which we
just mentioned, is this thing called Seaton Katon. I don't
know how to say it correctly, but it's c E
T I N It's huge. It's a fiber optic company
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essentially that I don't know if it's an I sp
I imagine it is. But at least there there are
COLMS network. Um they were talking about going into an
I p O for this, like an initial public offering.
I don't know if there's other stuff in here that
you can look at, Scota Transportation, Central European media enterprises.
It's crazy check Toll is on here. That's the one
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that's uh, not checked toll, but major media enterprises and
companies in Central Europe. One thing that's weird about this
that I don't know if this this may be in
the New York Times article, but there's uh Kelner was
actually the owner of the last major TV outfit in
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Bulgaria that was not state owned or state controlled. I'm
not of course, that's not the same thing as saying
like Bulgarian assassin's got to him or something like that.
This is a tragedy and helicopter crash has happened all
the time. But now, because to the earlier fantastic point
you made, Matt, now that a billionaire has died unexpectedly, nations,
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not just employees, nations are influenced. And this means that upwards,
for Bulgaria, upwards of seventy percent of television and media
in the country could become, you know, clearly government controlled,
tied to the same people who are obviously oligarchical or
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considered oligarchical. You know, because the post USSR collapse, a
lot of people in in former Soviet states did the
same kind of thing that Putin and Code did, where
they bought up national industries and resources and became wealthy
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beyond the dreams of of average people. So we don't know.
And then there's the concern about his heavy ties with
the government of China and Russia, of course, so there
there are a lot of questions. They don't I have
a pitch for you, guys. I want to see what
you think about this. I pose it to you that
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becoming a billionaire, or existing in as a billionaire inherently
tie is one to a number of real conspiracies. Not
necessarily bad. You're just such a big fish. You know
what I mean, the water moves differently around you. What
do you think crazy? Not crazy? Possible, possible, I don't
entirely possible, plausible even I don't think that's crazy at all.
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Just when you're considering the amount of money, think about
it this way. Think of the amount of money that
you need to donate on a yearly basis in or
like that, you would probably donate on a yearly basis
just to avoid the amount of taxes that would be
coming out of your accounts every year. Um. When you're
donating that amount of money, you know that alone could
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be an issue because many times you won't know exactly
who you're donating to it. Maybe you know a specific
organization or an n g O or through all these
like places where your money may end up. Uh. They
had the Kendar Family I believe it's correct. They had
the Kender Family Foundation. Yes, that's correct. Uh. Peter and
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Nada Kellner founded it in two thousand nine. That's an
interesting thing to look into again. That's that's like the
good stuff you can do with money. There's also really
bad stuff you can do with money. We have no
idea what Peter Kelender was doing with it um. And
we're not alleging here that he was doing anything wrong.
We're also not alleging that he was killed. There's an
investigation going on right now to figure out what exactly happened.
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And just as you said, Ben, everybody is keeping their
eyes peeled to find out if there was something going
on here because a lot of people set to benefit
from Mr Kellner his influence and his money, and a
lot of people may have been spurned at some point
by that same those same forces. So we're just gonna
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keep an eye on this one and keep our ears perked,
and uh, we'll let you know if we hear anything more.
Now we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be
right back with more strange news. And we have returned.
We're leaving Alaska and the US and Earth temporarily. We're
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traveling to deep space, but not perhaps in an inspiring,
you know, beautiful fun science the adventure kind of way. Instead,
we're traveling a much more doc could I get some
like scary space music trufect, a much more event horizon way,
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a much more early Aliens franchise way. You see, it
turns out that a darkness from beyond the stars is
destroying our galactic neighbors. I love how Lovecraftian and creepy
this is. But the with we don't really need the
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drama for this because the the story itself is already
pretty disturbing. Here's what's happening. So if you can travel
at the speed of light and you want to visit
some local stars in our neighborhood, then for a while
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you would have wanted to travel to a star cluster
known as Hyades. The Hyades are about a hundred and
fifty three light years away, and if you look up
in the night sky and there's not too much pollution,
you'll see it as the V shaped collection of stars
at the head of the constellation that we call Taurus
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here in the West. The thing is that when you
look at it with a telescope, you will be able
to see that it's a group of stars that are
bound together by the covenant of gravity. It's about sixty
light years across. But what we learned recently is that
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we're looking at something that's a lot less like a
a brand new helicopter and a lot more like the
remnants of something that crashed. Because this star cluster used
to have thousands and thousands more stars, but something got them.
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Just in case, you know, anybody who was feeling too comfortable,
I think I saw a tweet you did, Ben like
this is the season finale we all deserve or something
like that. Uh, maybe not deserve, but something effectively say okay, great,
like star destroying whatever, like that's what's next? Yes, yes, right,
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So here's here's what happened. So these this cluster is
about seven hundred million years old, which is a crazy
number and it's weird to think about that much less,
you know, it's like trying to amagine what a billion is.
You know, you'd have to be Peter Kellner to pull
that off. This thing is a novelist because these kinds
of clusters can slowly fall apart over time, right, due
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to the change in the life cycle of the star
and so on. But that's not the case. Here. Some
huge mass of something hit them and then kais are
so said, the hell out a dodge, the hell out
of this cosmic dodge. No one has a clear suspect.
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Research fellow Teresa jarrech Vova, who wrote about this and
and kind of got us onto this mystery, says that
you know, maybe it could have been a gas cloud,
or maybe it could have been another star cluster of
some sort, but there's nothing in the vicinity that could
conceivably do that, which means that everybody the whole time
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right that it means everybody's favorite spooky villain in the
world of astronomy, dark matter comes into play. And this
is weird because dark matter is yet to be confirmed substance.
We know something like it probably exists. It would explain
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a lot of questions people have, but there's no you know,
there's no like well of the according to official word,
there's no like top secret lab in a bunker somewhere
where there's a little vial of just straight up dark matter,
and everybody's like, stay away from it. You start speaking
a weird language. We think it's Samarian. We're not sure,
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but that would be cool. Was someone should write that
this stuff is it's supposed to surround and inhabit galaxies
and it's, like you said, Matt, invisible but massive. So
it could potentially end up in a big, loose clump
that interacts with a star cluster in a way that
we can't see because our vision is partially obscured. We
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can only we can only we think tell the effects
and the actions of this dark matter. But watching it
destroys something or watching the results of that would be
like us watching an invisible person attacks something, you know
what I mean? Tar Apart that helicopter. This this is
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strange because it comes on the heels of another recent
discovery that there seems to be a massive structure of
some sort underpinning the universe as we know it. Did
you guys hear about this one? I did not. Yeah,
I'm learning about this for the first time right now.
Um wow. So it looks as though the person that
you just mentioned to Teresa, Teresa, this person did run
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the tests multiple times of simulations because it's just data
and running simulations about what could have caused this and
what would make sense. It looks as though they're spending
quite a bit of time attempting to figure it out.
And it does feel like it's very early in the
discovery phase. I am interested to see what comes up,
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what comes of this, because that's not very far away.
A hundred hundred fifty three hundred fifty three light years,
is that correct? That's correct? So in in galactic tertains,
it's a lot like you walk outside of your house
one day in a suburban neighborhood and you turn around
and you say, oh, my neighbor used to have a
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roof and at least a much bigger house. Where did
he go? There no missing bricks, et cetera. Well, that's
the entirely true that the way they found it is
pretty clever. There are trails that they observed and they
couldn't explain what we're described as tidal streams and title
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tales in the star cluster. Those are threads of stars
that have star did to come loose from the cluster,
both in front and behind it, meaning that something out
there in the ink is capable of moving an entire star.
I mean, do you even lift bro that's humbling. So
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we've got we've got some excellent research from the European
Space Agency, which is where jereb Cova is, and the
European Southern Observatory. But the more they learn about it,
the more they notice from those simulations that they just
can't explain what's happening, but they can kind of gettish
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sense of of the size, at least without knowing exactly
what it is. They believe that the best way for
them to explain whatever is eating these stars is to
say that it was something about ten million times the
mass of the Sun. That's how big something would need
to be to do this, getting right next door to
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us in galactic terms. Uh, and that is so big
that it wouldn't have had to necessarily be a collision
or necessarily be some kind of consumption, you know what
I mean, like a black hole or whatever going through Instead,
for something that big, they would just need to have
a quote close interaction and what what could they have
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a close interaction with? And that's why they're thinking dark matter.
Because even though we haven't proven the existence of dark
matter or haven't officially confirmed it to everyone's satisfaction, experts
calculate that dark matter makes up roughly eight percent of
all matter in the universe, meaning that we listening to
and making this podcast today are very much in the
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minority when it comes to matter. We know that this stuff,
if it exists, or we theorize it, if dark matter existed,
it was shape normal matter into the galaxies we all today.
And I thought of when I read this, I wanted
to share it with everyone because it reminds me of
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a project we did a number of years ago, where
we've thought, what are the various ways the world could
end without you knowing too far in advance and without
you being able to stop it? Right, So, like the
decay of the natural environment is something that people can
see happening over time, but where one gamma ray burst
(30:29):
away from the end of the world. You guys remember
those things? Yeah, oh yeah, I want to learn more
about these what do they call them ben sub halos
dark matter sub halos. Yes, this is something from that
European Space Agency article that that I was looking at.
Ben UM. It's saying that these sub halos are naturally
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occurring clumps of dark matter that are thought to help
shape the galaxy during its formation. Okay, so, like you
were saying, if dark matter is not just theoretical and
is real, then these chunks of it, these clumps of
(31:12):
dark matter, end up being the substructures. It's so interesting
to me. I don't know, it's hard to it's hard
to even conceptualize in my mind, but but it would
make total sense. It would make total sense gravitationally, I guess,
or you know, because that's that's the thing that I
don't understand. If it's dark matter. Is it physically interacting
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or is it just getting close enough to have a
gravitational pull essentially that then changes the star. I need
to get a degree or something or take a class.
I mean, maybe we just need to do more mushrooms. Honestly,
maybe it will make more sense that I mean, you know,
I just watched the old Snyder cut we've been talking about,
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and there's some kind of galaxy destroying concepts explored in that,
you know, methos, I guess with the mother boxes and
what's it called ben the formula of like they're they're
searching for the dark sand side is searching for the
anti life, which I thought was a little unclear the
way it was spelled out. I'm sure it's much more,
(32:15):
uh you know, um fleshed out in the comics. But
it seems to be that things like infinity stones and
mother boxes and all that harness some kind of force
that can you know, on on the on one side
be of creation, but then on the flip side b
of destruction. Uh. And I think that's kind of what
we're talking about here a little bit, you know, the
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real science e impetus behind you know, comic tropes like that. Yes, well,
the the anti life equation is uh, pretty much exactly
what they described in the Snyder cut. It was. It
was just a different time when they were making a
dark Side. Who came before Thanos? By the way, I
(32:57):
believe there's a story where Marvel creators came it came
together and said this dark Side guys, awesome, let's make one.
Let's make him just different enough. Ripple is checking a
little bit. You know, I completely agree with you in
terms of the look of it. But I actually brought
this up with a dear friend of mine who's visiting,
who's a super old school marble head, like he's you know,
(33:19):
pushing sixty, and I mean, you know, it was in
it when it was originally coming out, and I asked
him the very same thing where I was like, you know,
which came first, dark Side or Thanos? And I do
believe that what you're saying is absolutely correct, Ben, But
the idea of the mother boxes and the whole like
coalescing of these artifacts to make a big world destroying thing,
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that because I think Thano's originally right exactly, Yeah, that
came later. Yeah, so we have competing mythologies speaking together.
But it turns out I I don't know, you know,
we'll move on here because I don't have uh much
report than there. Then that there is a huge thing
(34:01):
we don't know about. Uh. The species, the human species
and all the creatures that live on this planet are
essentially like the old trope of somebody who finds themselves
an endless open water of the ocean, unable to see
what swims beneath. That's the situation we're in. It just
happens to be in space. That's the announcement for today. Everybody,
(34:24):
live your normal lives to the fullest, because we don't
know what's coming. We have no idea when, and we
certainly have no way to prevent these sorts of galactic
disasters from occurring to our very own start. I know
I give it a hard time, specially in things like
our sunscreen episode, but we do need the sun much
(34:44):
more than it needs us. So UH, stay safe, everybody.
I don't know what else to say here. UH will
pause for a word from our sponsors, And provided we
don't get consumed entirely by some sort of as a
thought like entity, then we'll be back with more strange news.
(35:12):
And we're back. UH. And and and we're still in space now,
I'm not really in space in the concept of space.
And we'll start off with a headline from Forbes, an
article by Danny de plu cd. Headline is one is
shaping up to be the year of the UFO UM,
and that is, you know, for quite quite a few reasons. UM.
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First and foremost, it appears that we are about to
get another mega document dump from the d O D
of de classified reports dealing with you know what in
popular culture and science fiction and television and all of
that is typically referred to as UFOs, but has been
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kind of rebranded to ground it a little bit in
the concept so it doesn't seem quite as scary as
U a p s. And we've talked about this many times,
but that is unidentified aerial phenomena UM. And John Ratcliffe,
who formerly served under the Trump administration as the Director
of National Intelligence Community, UH, and that was from May
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to January of one. UM recently on Fox News, UM
speaking with Maria Bata Romo indicated that m a sighting
of one of these U a p s appeared to
break the sound barrier without making a sonic boom. And
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this is a big deal, right, um, simply because you know, typically,
as you know, physics dictates when an aircraft uh reaches
the speed of sound um, and as it's increasing its speed,
the pressure around it. These waves, these pressure waves build
up and event really kind of combine and coalesced into
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a single shock wave. And when the plane then beats
that shock wave, essentially you know, goes faster than that
shock wave uh and travels faster than the speed of
sound while in the air, it causes that pressure to
very quickly change, which creates an audible sound known as
a sonic boom. UM. And we in the science that
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we know, in the physics and technology that we know,
as a civilization and as you know, pretty as a
pretty crafty and technologically minded species, obviously have not figured
out a way to to not have that thing happen.
It is certainly a thing that in order to let's say,
maintain covert operations, UH not give away your position that
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scientists and engineers have worked to eliminate or reduce, but
they haven't figured out how to get rid of it entirely. Um.
And this report that's being dis gust here that appears
to be part of an upcoming information dump. Um, this
seems to have been documented. Uh. And Ratcliffe had this
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to say of the Pentagon's position of some of the
stuff in this reported sighting. We always look for a
plausible explanation, you know, whether it can cause disturbances, visual disturbances.
Sometimes we wonder whether or not our adversaries have technologies
that are a little bit further down the road than
we thought or what we realize. But there are instances
where we don't have good explanation for some of the
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things that we've seen. Uh, and this is definitely one
of those. Uh. And in the reporting around this, UM,
there's conjecture that it's not quite clear why he decided
to talk about this at this exact moment, but that
it may well uh foreshadow a massive report that the
Pentagon may be releasing soon and you know, in a
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declassified form they have because Ratcliffe, Actually, that's exactly right,
that's exactly right. And and Ratcliffe said that prior to
leaving office, you know, at the end of of the
Trump administration, he was working to declassify a lot of
this stuff and it didn't quite work out. The timing
didn't work out. UM, So I don't know, it seems
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like a like a the idea of the the year
of the of the UFO isn't too far off the
mark with some of the things that we've seen. Uh,
certainly some of the videos that were declassified showing some
pretty hard to explain aerial phenomenon. It does feel like
we have acknowledged as a government, as a country that
these things do exist, whether they're you know, we've talked
(39:39):
about with what that actually means, doesn't mean they're from
another dimension or from from you know, some other much
more advanced technologically advanced civilization. I don't think anyone is
saying that or that that's necessarily the first go to
explanation for this, but it's certainly interesting that it's being
discussed so openly now for the first time. Uh. And
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isn't making as big as a splash as one might think. Yes,
And I know we talked about this a little while
back when this legislation was first passed through, right when
we're anticipating it, I guess. But it's really interesting to
see more and more officials come forward and discuss it
like this, just to hear what people are actually thinking
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it's going to happen. Because you know, we too many
times we've been through this kind of thing before where
nothing really happens. Right now, I wanna um, I want
to jump to that whatever that U A p or
UFO was that went so quickly but didn't pop or
didn't make a large crack, didn't make a sonic boom.
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It's sonic but did not boom. Correct, there you go,
went full sonic, no boom. But the I want to
talk about NASA's X fifty nine aircraft Ben's specifically it's
reminding me. It's reminding me of the X three seven
B that we've discussed before, except this one is and
it's meant to have a pilot in it at least one.
(41:04):
And it is a fascinating looking vehicle. No, this thing
is crazy one. And did you see that it's on
the Live Science article you linked us too. Yes, I
mean it looks like the X wing, you know, practically
it's it has that kind of I mean, it's like
I got a needle nose tip, kind of very very tapered,
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I'm very pointy. Uh. And yeah, it really looks like
a combination of some kind of spacecraft with some sort
of you know, supersonic spy plane. Yeah, it looks like
a pointy rocket with a human attached in there in
a couple of wings. As somewhat of an afterthought, but
I'd love to get your take on this thing again,
(41:45):
just connecting it back to some of the X the
x UH project or the X class aircraft coming out
a NASA. Sure, yeah, so bideness. The thing here is
that by necessity, out of these projects are secret at
some point or classified, So it's quite possible that this
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could be some sort of man made craft. It's also,
if we want to play a little more of the
skeptical end, it's also possible that there was some maybe
error in detection or error in technology that just didn't
allow people to register the sonic boom. But I think
that's pretty unlikely from the way it's reported. Uh and
(42:30):
and Ratcliffe, by the way, is when he says we
were hurrying to get that report out before the end
of the previous administration, he's referring to that one hundred
and eight day deadline that Congress gave gave the crew
to report everything about UFOs that they could reasonably declassify.
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What's tricky and they have to check in to be
fair they have to check in every six months. I
think the way the order is written, but to be complete,
be honest, there are a lot of loopholes in this,
and they pertained to some of those X vehicles that
you mentioned, Matt. Because if if the Pentagon says, okay,
we can explain this footage here. You know, it's our
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X cool whip, which we called because we thought it
was a cool whip in the sky, but we couldn't
tell anybody about it because then various rival governments will
be aware of our capabilities, will no longer be able
to use this for surveillance, or to use this for reconnaissance,
or to use this for you know, in the extreme
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cases an attack or a rescue mission or a targeted killing,
a k A and assassination. And and the name is
already trademarked ben cool Whip. I think Uncle Sam will
take care of that or has cool Whip bit of
government brought all along. That's that's the boy. But now
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you're right, you're right, this like it does feel like this.
This maybe the quote unquote year of the UFO the
way forms phrases it. But also we've been in this
sort of alice in Wonderland, Jam yesterday, Jam tomorrow, never
Jam today kind of situation with disclosure. So I would
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pose it maybe not for the hardcore UFO enthusiasts or
people who study this closely, like Greenwalt, the guy who
made the Black Vault available online. Thanks if you're listening.
But but I would pose it that people are going
to encounter a bit of UFO fatigue unless they see
something really big in the coming weeks or months, because otherwise,
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you know, we talked about it in the past. It's
strange how quickly the the most bizarre stuff becomes normalized
in human experience. Right, Like we just spent a year
sitting in our houses, many many people that like pandemic
life became a normal thing. And now are reports of
(45:05):
uh declassified UFO footage or unidentified aerial phenomena footage. Are
they becoming normalized themselves? Because you know, I can assure you,
fellow conspiracy realists, we spent years waiting for this stuff
that seems to come out like every month. Now it's
it's bizarre. Uh, it's indicative of something, but I don't
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know what. Is it indicative of a change in government policy?
Is it indicative of m as. Some people have proposed
a larger aim to like slowly break the news to
people that uh UFOs are real and if so, or
are UFOs are real and non terrestrial in origin or
(45:48):
something like that. I mean, if so, I would question
the calculus. They're like, why why release that kind of
information incrementally? I know there's a logic, but I just
I don't know how sound it is. What do you
guys think? Yeah, I don't know, man. What all I
know is that in this particular instance, the NASSA X
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fifty nine was specifically designed to go super supersonic and
not make a big sound, and they are specifically they were,
at least in twenty nineteen, flying it above select US
communities to generate data from censors and quote people on
the ground in order to gauge public perception so they
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could figure out, well, how how much does this bother
the people below? How many people are saying, Hey, there's
a weird thump that I heard. It wasn't really allowed,
but it was definitely a thump and I could feel
it in the middle of the night. It was weird.
I'm not sure what it was. Well, and there was
a thing of a light that was buzzing past really quickly.
I'm not sure what that was. Just for a second,
(46:53):
it was there, just for a second. I heard thump,
I woke up, I saw the light. I went back
to sleep. That depend to report they're hoping for, But
you're right, it doesn't that importantly though. It doesn't completely
negate the the boom, right, it's just like a very
good silencer for the boom. I think that's as close
(47:15):
as they've got it officially. It's an interesting place to
to to be. It's an interesting time to be alive.
A lot of very strange things kind of coalescing at
the same time, uh, socially, um, you know, biologically and
now with some of this stuff. But I guess the
thing that's always kind of blown me away about some
of these revelations, I think you're right, it's that it's
(47:37):
that UFO fatigue, right, unless we really start to see
some real day to come out, which I'm skeptical that
they would release anything that would, you know, be game
changing in that respect. But what we'll see, I mean,
some of the stuff that we've already seen in little
drips and drabs feels game changing to me, but also
it feels like a lot of uh, nothing's been really.
(47:57):
It feels like underwhelming the the elective you know response
and kind of like, well, okay, that's cool, but not
like mind blown territory. So I don't know what do
people want short of just like a gray stepping out
of a DeLorean, you know, and shaking hands with the president.
I got if it got caught in the Suez Canal,
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it would get way more news coverage. Yeah, it seems
shade anything that affects my My Amazon deliveries are like
my stock portfolio that that makes the news. But yeah,
unidentified aerial phenomenon, uh, not so much. And dare you
have it? You know? Can you imagine how spoiled we
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must look to people researching UFOs in the past, because
we're like another video, another video confirmed by the Pentagon
who denied it for decades. I guess I'll see if
the memes are fire, and then I'll decide if I
care about it. But that's that's Uh. This is an
interesting time and it's an amazing story to watch unfold.
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And I think one thing we can agree on is
that we know for sure this is not the last
we'll hear about this from the Pentagon because again they
are obligated to produce that big report that you know,
it might be an info dump, it might be an
exercise in the overuse of black highlighters. We just don't
know at this point, but that that anticipation can keep
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us going. I I really enjoyed this story, Nol, and
I enjoyed you know, we had an aviation space thing
going on today. Uh, Matt, I, I agree with you
that the death of billionaires can move nations. The way
that some unknown force out there in the galaxy appears
to literally be moving stars and may head towards us.
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