On the heels of a recent report on UFOs (or UAPs), the Pentagon officially announces plans for a new, acronym-littered initiative to investigate mysterious things in the sky. QAnon supporters continue to wait for revelations in Dallas. The CIA director warns Russias spies that there will be consequences if it turns out they are responsible for the rash of 'Havana syndrome' incidents occurring across the globe. All this and more in this week's Strange News.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name has met, my name is no. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. You know a time of
the week it is, fellow conspiracy realist. If you're listening
to this on the day the show comes out, Welcome
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back to Strange News. This is where my colleagues and
I dig deep into the minds of the Internet and
into the minds of people who work in the world
of things fringe to find stories that either haven't made
it to the news, will give us some important doors
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for discussion in future episodes, or uh, we just need
to talk about And I was thinking, you guys know,
I've been working on trying to be a bit more
of a positive person with mixed results. I was thinking
we could open today's show up with a special congratulations
to sixty one people in the UK who recently, uh
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recently got out of a tough situation. We all know
the band Oasis. There's a cover band called no Oasis
that was playing a gig that's supposed to be a
one night gig at a remote bar in the UK,
but unfortunately, due to a storm, they were stuck there
until for three days, up until a couple hours before
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we recorded this episode. So they're out. Congratulations. I don't
know when it will be, when enough time will have
passed for them to hear Wonder Wall without you know,
reliving the events, But I had to ask you, guys.
I knew we've talked a little bit about Oasis off air.
You guys are Oasis fans still, right? I think that
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just hit us at the right generation fan, I like,
you know, I mean they had some bangers. I like,
don't look back in anger a lot. I don't know
that I know any deep cuts really, I never really
like jumped on the Oasis train, but um, they certainly
occupied a place in my youth, there's no question about that. Yeah,
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I still don't know what the wonder Wall is. I
don't think Noel Gallagher does either. I don't think so. Yeah,
they were. They were definitely that like this generation's Beatles, right,
But fortunately, unfortunately this past week is when that Beatles
documentary finally dropped and we got to all learn collectively
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how I think It's Get Back was written because John
Lennon was late. That's right. Yeah, I've only made it
about halfway through the first part. It's quite long and uh,
incredible footage. It really shows, you know, there are all
these rumors and that was like a really cantankerous time
for them, and you you don't really see that. You
see them being pretty kind to each other. Um, definitely
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having their own personalities and egos flexing a little bit,
but in general they work together quite well and it's
really kind of neat to see. It's almost like sitting
in on band practice. But it's like, you know, legends.
I guess my point is just there, they're not the
Beatles they wanted to be. I mean aim high, you
know what I mean. I applaud audacity and ambition, and
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I think they made some great songs. So congratulations to
the folks who spent some unexpected time in the Tan
Hill in Great Britain's highest altitude pub Also on a
positive note, you know, maybe made some friends for life.
That's what happened to us. We're stuck in an airport
for a day. Uh. And then you know, maybe count
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your blessings that you were stuck with an Oasis cover
band and not the actual guys from Oasis, who can
be a little cranky, so they don't even talk to
each other. The brothers Gallagher is pretty cute little detail.
Apparently the folks in the pub past the time by
doing like, you know, pop culture quizzes like pop trivia.
I guess that they had on hand. They did some karaoke,
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and I guess that the Oasis cover band also regaled them.
But um, a lot of the folks in this event,
uh started referring to the band as snow Asis. Yes,
which is great because their original name was no Asis. Anyhow,
this is what you get with strange news, folks, the
hard hitting facts, the reporting that apparently CNN won't won't cover,
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but CNN probably did get to No Oasis. Uh. Today
we have some important stories, some disturbing stories. We're gonna
talk a little bit about outer space. We're gonna talk
a little bit about good old spycraft cough cough, tradecraft.
We're going to also examine the world of cults. I
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would also say it's a way for us to examine
how cults have changed in the world of ubiquitous social media.
And so for today's first story, I suggest we start
on what I'm gonna call another positive note. Congratulations to
the Pentagon, Congratulations to all our friends in the field
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of ethology. The Pentagon is officially back into aliens in
a big way. That's our first story. Also, it turns
out Canada is ignoring aliens in a big way. That's
like the byline, that's the you know, the snarky paragraph
at the end. But we talked about this a little
bit off air, Matt and noll. Uh. We did a
series on those two disclosure reports that came out that
(05:56):
We're called a nothing burger by some because the d
classified report, which we did a whole episode on, is
is pretty short. It's mainly asking for more money, like
most government reports do, uh, and it did have some
revelatory stuff in there. It said that, you know, there
are a few sightings that appear to be things operated
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by some sort of intelligence and appear to be technology
beyond the grasp of at least the U. S. Military
Industrial complex. So when that report came out, it sort
of fizzled a little because the more substantive classified report
is still classified, so the public doesn't know what's in
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there and probably won't know a lot of it for
decades to come. But the big question we all had
once you probably had at home, fellow conspiracy realist, was
simply this, what next? What's going to happen? You know
what I mean? Is is there going to be any
action from this from the world's mightiest military pretty much
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saying we don't know what the is going on? Right.
We talked about the threats that poses, we talked about
the problems it creates, and we talked about whether or
not anything would happen, or whether the news would just
go to some like distracting story about celebrity there's something
like that, which it did. By the way. Yeah, I
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gotta say, though a pretty clunky name they've given this thing. Yeah,
the Airboard Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group or al. Yeah,
the synchronization is what through me and also not a
particularly sexy acronym that you can actually speak as as
you just pointed out, then what is the synchronization aspect
the idea of like connecting with other governments and getting
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people on the same page, or like, well, what is
this angle here? It's connecting other offices. Uh, and it's
it's sort of making a central Okay, we're we're doing it.
We have to go into acronym land. They're gonna be
a lot of acronyms fire and off at you real quick.
So the Airboard Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group owns
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that's like a sound like a CAFULU makes yes. So
this is this is like a repository. They're trying to
bring together all the information from these disparate parts of
the d D and different US government agencies. Because for
a long time they had two huge problems. One, a
lot of pilots and a lot of other professionals thought
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they were going to lose any chance of promotion, maybe
even lose their jobs if they sounded like total wing nuts.
And second, even if they did report stuff, which was
the right thing to do. Uh, this whatever department they're in,
whatever branch of the military, may not have reported it
to anybody else. It may have just been filed away
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and ignored Canadian style. We'll get to it. Lovely neighbors
to the north. We were going to point out some
stuff with Canada in a second, but uh yeah, they
appear to make a good faith effort. They're trying to
gather all these documents and all this information, and they're
focusing on something pretty interesting, something called Special Use Airspace
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or SUWA. We're going overboard with the acronyms. I think
we gotta we gotta get them out of the way.
So there's ALMS, which sounds like, you know, um, a
Scandinavian person who's drank too much, falling in slow motion, right,
you can hear that. And then there's another thing that
comes into play. Let's just run through the acronyms here.
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ALMS is going to also be involved with something called
al ME, which is Airborne Object Identification and Management Executive Council.
They're just killing it with the names. We've made no
secret in the past on this show that and I
feel like it's okay to say it because we made
the show. But uh, stuff they don't want you to
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know is a ridiculously long name for a podcast, and
even we have nothing on these guys. They're looking for
actual UFOs and they're gonna lose so much time just
typing out their names for things. Anyway, Anyway, so this
is good, right, Um, did you guys think this would
happen or that this would happen publicly? I think we
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all sort of assumed it would go on underground. I mean,
I don't know. It's kind of like a successor, I guess,
to something that was already happening a task of course,
but this just sort of elevates it and gives it
a little more weight. Perhaps the biggest question was would
they get more money? Would their internal Kickstarter campaign for
the budget of the Pentagon funded? And it appears to
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have worked, so okay, yeah, yeah, that's that's the question.
And it's it's a tricky question to answer if you
are someone who holds the purse strings of government, because
you will have to defend your decision, and it's a
high risk decision because what if what if there's some
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political cause of the day in your district and someone says, well,
you know, Senator Jackson could have put millions of dollars
into I don't know, um, stopping puppies from being kicked,
which is a huge problem in our town. But no, instead,
she said it on a spent it on a wild
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goose chase for aliens and intergalactic snipe hunt. You know.
That's that's the kind of stuff that can come back
to bite you. But this is also a necessary thing
to do because special use airspace is mission critical to
the US. You guys have heard the phrase special use airspace.
I feel like just hearing the phrase, we can all
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kind of guess what it means, right. It's the it's
the places where you can't just fly right, And that's
everything in the places that we would easily recognize within Washington,
d C. And Virginia and a couple other places in
that in the kind of northeast of the United States,
as well as places out in the desert, places with
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special special strategic importance to you know, in the energy field,
and all kinds of other research right that you can
just imagine all the places. It's funny. The special use
air space is not a term I've heard before, but
it encompasses a lot of terms that you probably have
heard before, like restricted airspace, you know, or national security
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areas or military operation areas and things like that. There's
quite a few other ones that I don't fully like,
controlled firing area, which is maybe for like war games
or something, or artillery testing ranges stuff like that. I mean, yeah,
you're you're spot on, because they this is a group
term that I guess the diplomatic way to put it is,
this is a group term describing any airspace that involves
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possible activities that could be hazardous to an aircraft. Like, hey,
we shoot missiles here for practice, so you have to
fly around it, or you have to get or you
have to convince this to stop shooting off all these missiles.
One of those is an easier yes than the other,
I imagine, Or you're just not allowed to go to
their Yes, bad air bad airplane, don't go to there.
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So that is what is happening. That's exactly what's happening.
Unidentified things, whether they be objects or just the more
um Weasley word phenomena, unidentified things that can absolutely smoke
man made aircraft are showing up in these areas and
these military operation areas and prohibited airspace. No one knows
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what's going on, or if someone does, they are certainly
not admitting it. This is a big deal because while
the more skeptical folks in the crowd may say with
some validity, this could be a misplaced priority, right, we
have real provable problems that need to be tackled. While
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that is somewhat valid, it is not entirely on base.
As we said in our earlier episode, if you have
protected airspace and you can't protect that airspace, then that
means you need to question every assumption you have made
about your defense capabilities and probably your forced projection as well,
(14:19):
which is your your ability to go offensive. So this
is this is inspiring, but it's also scary. If you
live in the US, you should be a little freaked out. Yeah.
I came up with a new acronym for it. I
think it's the Nuclear Arms Pathway Protection Program or NAP.
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Good with that one could also be strategic arms. Then
it would just be SAP. So if you would like
to play the acronym game with us, you can read
the official d D statement on alms U it is
I would say, just looking at it, it's about twenty
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percent acronyms. Yeah. Yeah, And and the state. The closest
they get to saying anything about UFOs is just mentioning
that there was a report submitted to Congress in June,
and then they use the phrase U A P A
couple of times because they don't want to get caught
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dead saying aliens or extra terrestrials, And in their defense,
that's because no one has proven that aliens or extra
terrestrials exist. If you want to hear more about that,
do check out our episode on that story. You can
also read that full declassified report online. It will take
you about ten minutes. It really isn't long, and it
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isn't super technical either, because there's a lot of stuff
they can't mention. But we will close with this Canada
thing is teasing earlier. So whether or not you are
a fan of the way the US government tackles things, um,
whether or not you're a fan of the way Uncle
Sam has handled UFO investigations in the past, we can
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say good on them for at least making public signals right.
Those signals may not necessarily be for you US residents.
They may be for whatever entity they think might be
behind these U A P. If there is something behind them,
if they're part of the same thing, you know what
I mean, It's still completely possible. It could just be
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an agglomeration of errors. That's increasingly doubtful, though especially the
Pentagon believes something is going on. Make no mistake, but
good on them for being public. UH Canada has not
done the same thing. Over a motherboard of vice. They
obtained some documents from the Royal can Adian Air Force
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and it turns out that the Royal Canadian Air Force
has been receiving some pretty significant reports of UFOs or
u a P and they just haven't done anything. Okay,
that's kind of brushing out of the rug situation and
just sort of like nothing to see here, folks situation.
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So one example comes from the wee hours of September
when UH Royal Canadian Air Force squadron in Ontario got
a call from some air traffic controllers in Vancouver and
they said, look, something crazy happened. There was this pilot
for Air Canada Express who saw this this very weird
(17:46):
series of lights in the sky. We don't know what
it is. We wanted to pin get just in case,
which is what you're supposed to do. So the r
c a F said, all right, let's look at the radar.
They looked at the radar, they didn't see anything that
could explain what this pilot had seen. And then they
started sending out reports, They contacted the Transportation Department, and
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then they contacted this uh kind of secretive part of
the Canadian Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Division, and
then those folks just didn't do anything. So we also
wouldn't have known about this advice had not gone through
Canada's Access to Information Act, which is sort of like
(18:27):
our it's like the US FOYA but for Canada Freedom
of Information Act. And what they what they saw, according
to an aviation consultant and retired fighter pilot named John
Williams or Jock to his friends, what they saw is
that the authorities were aware of this kind of stuff
and they also weren't taking a lot of action. Now
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this isn't to say that they weren't doing their jobs
or they were being incompetent. They filed reports, it's just
there wasn't an alums or something like that for them
to follow up with. So maybe, just maybe Canada will
be taking a page from the U. S IS book,
which I normally wouldn't advise, and uh, digging a little deeper.
(19:11):
So that's where we're gonna leave it for now. We'll
follow up. Let us know what strange things you have
seen in the sky one three three st d w
y t k or conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com.
We're gonna pause for a close encounter of the ad kind,
he I wrote. I wrote that down earlier. It was good.
(19:33):
That was worthy of us, Like I'm gonna suffer in
shame for the act break and we're back from this
encounter we we've had with the ad kind. It was
not that bad. It was okay. I think we learned
something about ourselves in the universe and Jason's DELI indeed,
(19:57):
I'm just kidding. They make a pretty good muffle. Actually
it's somewhat authentic Jason, which also does online counsel you. No,
I think, yeah, yeah, Matt, you're the one that's anti
Muffalletta right, you don't like the olive. I'm sorry to
keep bringing it up. I just it was not picking
on you, Matt, teach their own. Indeed, I'll tell you
(20:19):
he's picking on me. I mentioned this to you guys
before we uh sure to recording today. I sent you
a screenshot. I inexplicably have like fifteen calendar events on
my calendar for today, all of which are reminding me
and encouraging me. To renew McAfee anti virus and is
this the dead hand? Is this the thing? It seems
(20:40):
like a real missed opportunity. But like I have one
for two PM saying important renew McAfee, and then one
for three pm this is your McAfee is expired today,
then one for four pm activate McAfee, and then five
pm don't forget to renew McAfee, and then renew McAfee
license now, and now your McAfee license expired today. It
goes on. I am really kind of eaked out. I
(21:01):
have no idea how that's ended up in my calendar.
It seems super fishy, don't you guys think? Yeah, it
could have been an older email, maybe a non work
related email that just like got pulled back up in
their banks. Or I said this on the group chat
to man, if you want to get to the bottom
of it, you could just contact McAfee and say what
what's going on? I don't know if I want to.
(21:21):
I don't want to open that can of worms. Uh.
It was definitely bizarre. Uh, not quite as bizarre and
sad as the story that I'm going to talk about today.
We've talked about this second um Yeah, it was the
best I could do. Let's talk about this to some degree. Uh,
this group of frankly fringe Q and on um conspirators. Uh.
(21:42):
And that's saying a lot when the whole Q and
on conspiracy theory and and kind of you know, let's
call it what it is, culled, Uh, cyber cults, I
guess um is about as fringe as you can get,
you know, in the world of conspiracy theories. It's sort
of this like weird mash up of every conspiracy theory
we know about the lolo wackist ones anyway, um, with
some Illuminati stuff thrown in there, some you know sexual
(22:04):
predation uh purportedly you know, being carried out by you know,
high level officials and members of political aristocracies and all
of that good stuff. Uh, some pizza gate sprinkled on
the top for good measure. UM. And it's one of
these decentralized kind of conspiracy theories that's so convoluted it
just keeps getting added to and attitude and attitude um.
(22:25):
One of my favorite YouTube channels, Internet Today referred to
it as a Katamari of conspiracy theory. If you know
the game, it's like this little dude that's rolling up
all the stuff until the ball gets bigger and bigger
and bigger, and then it starts rolling up subsequently bigger
and bigger stuff. That's I think a really great way
of looking at what Q and ON is. UM. What
we obviously we've talked about qum on in general. If
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you haven't checked out Jake Hanrahan's incredible podcast series Q Clearance,
get you to a podcast app right now and check
it out. Um. But there's an interesting new development. There's
this fringe group that has gathered in downtown Dallas, Texas
and Deely Plaza specifically, which is where of course John F.
Kennedy was assassinated. Um. They're also hoping to see a
(23:09):
an appearance from John F. Kennedy's son, John F. Kennedy Jr.
Who died in the plane crash in the late nineties. Uh.
This is all kind of being masterminded. Are led by
this dude UM named Michael Brian Prattsman, who is known
by the Internet moniker and Negative forty eight. A little
bit background on him. First of all, Um, he is
(23:33):
known pretty widely to be virulently anti semitic. UM. He
uses a lot of dog whistle type language um specifically
referring to people of the Jewish faith as Khazars or
it's some sort of like I think, I think it's
like a catch all kind of term for just referring
to this group um in a way that's disparaging without
(23:58):
actually you know, using anti Semitic slurs. But everyone knows
to tell you what it is. It's been used for
a long long time for folks purporting that the you know,
people of the Jewish faith control the media and banks
and all of that kind of you know, out there stuff,
which is patently offensive, uh, and you know, obviously hinges
on a lot of tired and offensive stereotypes about it's
(24:21):
it's worse though, it's the like you're you're nailing it,
but it's deeper than that. It's like deeper than wrap level,
because the idea, well, it's about extermination, right, I mean essentially, well,
the idea in anti Semitic fringe theories like the kind
of the blood libel stuff dating back like Protocols of
Elders of Zion, which was a you know, one of
(24:43):
the most popular hoaxes of its time in the world
of anti Semitism. Still propagated and and shared as though
it is factual. Today it is very much not so.
The idea is that anti Semites will tell you that
people who claimed to be Jewish today or identify as
Jewish are, for the most part, not that they were
(25:07):
actually right right aristocracy right, that they were actually cause ours,
and that they have co opted this identity as a
way to further their incredibly over complicated plan uh to
take over the world. And this this uh, this goes
(25:29):
back to like the eighth or ninth century, and it's like,
it's so far back. It's about the idea of causeurs
reportedly converting to Judaism, and this this could be a
whole episode of its own. We don't really, we don't
really do hate speech, but you're you're right, and I'm
(25:50):
glad you highlighted that, because whenever you're reading something that
sounds conspiratorial, that you can learn a couple of quick
flags too that can help you question the I guess
the sincerity for the credibility of some of the other claims.
We used to have a joke about it off air,
(26:10):
words like how far you have to read the whole thing?
Because you never know if that paragraph on page thirty
five might just casually say, and since you know the
Welsh control all the horses in the world and they
all right, whatever, Well, this guy, Um, absolutely is that
thing that you're talking about, Ben Um, no question about.
(26:31):
He obviously has tried to veil it a little bit,
but not a whole lot. Apparently he has um given
a lot of attention to a ten part documentary series
called Europa The Last Battle, which is considered incredibly anti
Semitic and makes claims like the Jewish people created communism
and started both world wars on purpose as part of
(26:54):
that great grand scheme plot that you're talking about, to
help them found Israel. Um by provoking the innocent Nazis
quote unquote reading this from a description in a great
Vice article that gives a rundown on this guy's background,
and it is chilling. Um. He again, he has posted
links to this documentary was available. He also promoted UM
(27:17):
a film called Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story Never Told. Uh.
That's a thing apparently, UM. And And to your point
about the the khazar um uh kind of ideology, he
literally was heard or in a recorded speech that he
made that I think made the rounds. I don't even
know something that he meant to get out, but it did. Um.
(27:38):
He said there are no quote. This is quote and
this is pretty offensive. Um, but I'm gonna read it
just so understand and give a glimpse into this guy's mind. Quote.
There are no Jews period, anywhere period. There is no
Jewish race, and the Jewish leadership are basically the British Empire,
the Roman Empire. It's just the criminals. So this is
the guy UM that has claimed that he uh knows that, Um,
(28:03):
John F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. Are going
to return and um, you know usher in the second
coming of President Donald Trump. UM, which obviously Q no
on was a big part of the whole stop the
Steel and and you know the idea that Trump was
robbed of his victory and that he's actually staging some
grand coup. It's going to you know, happen in in
(28:24):
in some elaborate fashion like this. Um. Now when you
start getting into like dead you know, former presidents and celebrities.
They he's even mentioned like Michael Jackson might make an appearance. Uh,
Princess Diana, I think maybe he was mentioned. There's a
couple of other ones. Um. So he's gathered this fringe
group of Q and on conspiracy theorists. Uh. And they've
been hanging out there. They've just been hanging out there
(28:46):
and in uh in Deely Plaza in Dallas. They've got hotels,
people have left their families. They're just posted up um
and they're waiting for this prophecy to come true that
he has uh you know, foretold or whatever. Her And
the thing that makes him really interesting is he is
probably one of the more I don't know, I guess
I think of Q and on, and I know there
(29:07):
are some leaders like what's his name? Who's that guy?
Flynn has become kind of a big, big face of
Q and on. But he also recently was caught making
some disparaging remarks about how he knows that all the
followers or he believes that a lot of the follows
are idiots. And and it's the kind of thing that
you would think would shut people down and make them
be like, hey, screw this guy, he's talking trash about us.
But instead, like happens in many well laid cult situations,
(29:31):
is any sign of you know, negative or any like,
you know, proof in the opposite direction of what these
folks want to believe. They just use as an opportunity
to double down and say, oh, actually Flynn is just
playing the long game, you know, things like that, or
oh the probacy didn't come true on this day. That
means bigger things are gonna happen next time. You know.
It's it's it's tailor as old as time. Um. But
(29:53):
this dude, uh negative Fortier, just call him by his name,
Michael Prattsman, really has started to take on and almost,
I don't know, Jim Jones is kind of uh stature.
I mean, he you know, is absolutely commanding the hearts
and minds of this small, you know, admittedly small, but
loyal group of followers. There's an article actually from the
(30:15):
Dallas paper, the Dallas Morning News, UM that interviews a
you know, experts on conspiracy theories and you know, um indoctrination,
and this guy named Mike Rothschild who wrote a book
called The Storm Is upon Us, and he specifically calls
out how this guy is undeniably a cult leader. He says,
in this article by Michael Williams, there is absolutely behavior
(30:40):
control and thought control um going on. He's telling people
what to do. He's having people stand in straight lines
to have conversations. He's telling people when to go outside,
when to look up, when to look down. It is
unquestionably the behavior of a cult leader. Um. And this
is you know again, this Q and On thing has
always felt kind of decentralized to me. You know, there
(31:03):
were some figures that emerged, like the q and On
shaman or whatever, and some flynn who has been feuding
with another q and On kind of luminary Lynn Wood,
who was one of Trump's um lawyers I believe, and
has now become kind of like a q and On booster.
I guess you could call her. Um. But this guy
(31:23):
Pratsman really is starting to feel more like he's taking
in a religious direction, you know, like like like treating
people like followers, you know, like almost like subjects. It's
very interesting. Um. And they're still hanging out um at
in Dallas. They've got a hotel rooms. There's like a
video that emerged of the followers like covering this guy
(31:44):
and like rolls and rolls and rolls of toilet paper
while singing him Happy Birthday. Um, which is yeah, they
they rolled him, dude, They rolled this guy but he's like,
you know, laughing, and it feels like a ceremonial kind
and see it seems silly, but it also super odds
respect for other cultures practices, you know, fair enough, fair
(32:07):
enough ben as do I, um, but undeniably a little strange.
And here's where it gets stranger. And then I want
to throw it to you guys, and so you think, um,
I really feel like, you know, this guy, he doesn't.
A lot of quan On groups do promote violence and
and uprising against the government. He's not doing that. Uh.
He is treating it much more like the stoic, you know,
(32:27):
kind of self contained movement that is awaiting the second
coming of some deity. Almost like that's what it feels like,
you know. But but he he has no kind of
confrontational language, and his rhetoric about you know, rising up
like he sounds like the kind of guy that wouldn't
necessarily be pro insurgency or uprising. But uh, here's the
(32:48):
part where it gets really really spooky. Um. He has
claimed that quote, ultimately we have to experience that physical death,
let go come out on the other side. It's almost
like and then he also posted, uh, a some coordinates
or like a Google Map location a screenshot of an apisode.
(33:11):
It was as a screenshot of like a Google Map
situation that showed the destination of Waco, Texas, which if
anyone remembers, most of us do of a certain age,
and if not, there was like a Netflix series on
it pretty recently, if you're a true crime the Siege
of Mount Carmel, which was where the branch Davidian religious
(33:32):
sect um kind of you know, armed to the teeth
UH went to battle with the you know, the fbi
UM and resulted in seventy six people being killed, including
twenty children. Obviously there was a lot of fault on
the government's part in that UH debacle as well. But
why is this guy posting things like that? UM? And
(33:54):
what is with this whole idea of you know, we
must experience the death of the body to truly understand.
It starts to feel like this is the kind of
thing that could be heading in a really scary direction.
Well I'm not sure about that. I just know I've
seen this before using something called jim matria. I think
(34:15):
it's how you say it, Ben. We talked about this
during numerology explorations years ago, where you just assign each
letter of in this case the English alphabet, a numerical number,
so A would be one, B would be to go
down the line I think twenty to get to twenty six,
which will be easy. Maybe that's wrong, whatever. Um. And
then you take a phrase, let's say, stuff they don't
(34:37):
want you to know. You put it in a geometria,
calculator of swords, or you just do the math yourself
and you come out with a number. In this case
it would be one D and twelve, which is a
number on the back of Protsman's negative forty shirt or
somebody in that uh Dallas Morning News article. So I
(34:59):
don't know the last dances one twelve. So with stuff
they don't want you to know, guys, coincidence. The whole
point is to say that this kind of thing I
don't see personally. I don't believe there's anything to this
kind of thing of creating somehow meeting out of you know,
letters in that way, although I know there are many
people who do believe this stuff, and we'll see it
(35:23):
as a perhaps sign that there's deeper meaning in some
regular old phrase or even you know, a mixture of
specific phrases that add up to some other specific number. Yeah,
I appreciate that gi Matria shout out at neat point
of irony there. As far as consistency goes, uh Matria
(35:46):
is often considered a Jewish form of numerology. So great
job guys with the consistency. But I want to add
I don't want to soapbox, but I do want to
point out that you made the earlier comparison to Atamari,
which I've made as well, and I think it holds up.
But I would say structurally, a lot of cults or
(36:08):
cultic belief systems that have a built in expiration date
or milestones or timelines. They're like Matroshka dolls, where the
doll is the structure of a conspiracy, and when it
when the conspiracy doesn't like when it expands past that
timeline it's eighteen thirty nine June and the world didn't end,
then you just build another larger doll of conspiratorial structure
(36:30):
in which you house that other thing. And what's happening
now is that people are starting to either get hip
to the grift, and grift it is very much so,
or they're starting to just get tired of it. As
a matter of fact, quite recently, former q and On
follower I think still maybe current Q and On follower
wrote an open letter to Donald Trump over the various
(36:53):
failed predictions, dropping that in the chat. I don't know
if we want to talk too much about it because
it'll I think it could show up in a later episode.
But this is where you can see excerpts of this.
Just go to Newsweek. Um, we're not going to read
them out loud here, but just go to Newsweek and
check them out. You'll see that people are it's starting
(37:14):
to lose steam as a mass appeal thing, which means
that the people who are left are going to be
increasingly radicalized and they're going to encounter an exacerbated form
of group polarization. And that, I posit is when you
get to the very dangerous points. A lot of the
other folks are just, you know, like any other cult
leader there, grifters who have a undeservedly large sense of
(37:37):
ego such that they begin to believe their own con
kind of the way. The example always uses Merlin in
a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court. Remember that, right, guys,
where where this unnamed Yankees shows up to key guarsas
court and he's like, first he thinks, oh whoa magic
is real? And he thinks, oh no, wait, Merlin is
(37:58):
a con artist, and then things, oh no, Merlin's being crazy.
I think that's what a lot of people are going
to go through. I think so too. But unfortunately, in
the meantime, families are absolutely being torn apart. Uh. There's
another really great Vice article about this specific you know
little splinter group of of Q and on Um talking
(38:20):
to family members of folks who have gone on this
you know, pilgrimage to Dallas Um talking about how they're
worried they're never gonna come back. Maybe in a larger sense,
if there is concern about this, uh, you know, suicide
cult type situation. Again, I'm I don't want to overplay
that hand in any way. I mean, it's certainly not
anything that's proven, but we do know, you know from
(38:42):
experts that when the narrative in these types of cult
situation starts to shift to achieving you know, utopia or
like Valhalla or something like through you know, death of
the body, uh, and knowing just how closely these folks
follow this guy, I mean, it's certainly something to take
very seriously. Agree, So uh with that, Let's let's let's
(39:05):
keep an Eyeland story. Obviously it's ongoing because they're they're
not going anywhere, but nothing has happened. So we'll see
if anything does happen, and hopefully it's not something horrible
involving the actual people. Um and and hopefully they come
come to their senses and go back home to their families.
Um and if you you know, and again we always
say this, if you know anybody that's struggling with this
(39:25):
type of noctrination, there's certainly are resources for that. Yeah,
there are places like Dare to Doubt dot org, which
is uh more more focused on the broader picture. It's
not q and on specific it's it's about how to
help friends and loved ones detach from what they call
harmful belief systems. Yes, absolutely check that out if you
(39:48):
know anybody that's struggling with this um or, if you're
trying to look into some resources to understand the problem
better yourself. So let's take a quick break to hear
worth more responsible, be back with one more strange news.
All right, we're back. We're going to quietly transition over
(40:09):
to brain injuries or um A nominalous health incidents as
the government has been calling them recently. Uh, the Havannah syndrome.
We're back. We're gonna talk about this one more time
because there was a listener mail last week from Jim
who told us some stories about the trade, tradecraft and
spying cough cough cough cof um. We we mentioned Vienna,
(40:37):
Austria and how it was at one time the place
to be a spy if you were engaged in Cold
War activities on either side or for any you know,
player in the middle there, and how it is still
today a place where spies go and hang out and
try and recruit people in Vienna to spy on somebody else.
And it's just a game of tag tag your being traced.
(41:03):
That's what we'll call it. Tag your traced. It's a
fun game that we're gonna start playing. So we brought
that up last week. Then there was news that came
out over the holiday weekend. It was Thanksgiving here last
week for US, and the CIA and the FBI are
both getting heavily involved in Havannah talk, Havannah syndrome talk specifically.
(41:24):
So the first thing we're gonna read. It comes from
the Washington Post. It is titled CIA director warns the
Russian spies of consequences if they're behind Havannah syndrome incidents.
Really says it on the face there in the headline
of what this is about. CIA Director William J. Burns,
(41:45):
according to the Washington Post, delivered a confidential warning to
Russia's top intelligence services that they will in fact get
in trouble if they are the ones who are behind
these attacks incidents anomalous health says occurring to people in
the State Department, both diplomats and spies, and sometimes the same. Well,
(42:08):
the reason why this is important is because this thing
has been happening since two thousand sixteen. That's when it
was the Havanna syndrome incidents were first reported. There. Yes, publicly,
they're acknowledged at least within our bill, you know, within
the news, so that the public could hear about them.
And that was diplomats at an embassy in Havana or
(42:31):
the embassy in Havana experiencing weird stuff migraines, severe severe headaches,
feelings of dizziness, not being able to stand vertigo, feeling
like they're for being forgetful all the time, just a
weird symptoms of brain injuries that it turns out after Now,
my gosh, guys, it's been five years of studies done
(42:55):
on victims of this Havannah syndrome or these anomalous health incidents,
and in many cases it has been shown that there
are actual brain injuries to these diplomats and spies, so
physical things that you can measure scientifically that show something
is going wrong in their brains. So something is definitely happening.
(43:15):
There's some kind of attack. It's not psycho somatic. I
would pose it as the FBI originally positive this was
some kind of mass hysteria that was going on. The
CIA believed that perhaps there was something going on that
wasn't an actual attack, at least in the beginning, and
now it has been acknowledged by both the CIA and
(43:35):
the FBI that something is definitely happening and we need
to get to the bottom of it. I think we
need to do a whole episode on this guy's as
we I believe mentioned not long ago. Ben, Yeah, yeah,
I actually already snuck that in our secret plans because
I was keeping an eye on this as well. We
when we originally did the story. We had a lot
of questions. It's one of those episodes I want to
(43:57):
go back to UH and see how close we got
to some of our guesses. But I've got that in
there for a a re examination of Havana syndrome, because
while there is no official formal consensus in the U. S.
Intelligence community as we record this, there are a ton
(44:18):
of people accusing the same group of ultimately being responsible.
I don't want to say it just yet because this
is your story map, but I've been keeping an eye
on this UH for for a while, Loki. One of
the big big things that happened that gave lie to
the original intelligence ideas of mass hysteria was a University
(44:43):
of Pennsylvania study that was published in jama in twenty
nineteen looked at the brains of forty diplomats who claim
they have been affected, and that's where they first proved
that something happened. Something happened that called as physical trauma
to their brains, so they weren't making it up. And
(45:06):
people are still divided on how much you can learn
from that because it was a sample size of just
forty people, you know who would have been affected. But
the investigations are ongoing, and frequently I don't know how
much we can trust these accusations. But more and more
frequently the people who are saying it's not psycho somatic
or have some kind of accusation are isolating one country
(45:30):
above all others. I don't know if we have to
say the quiet part out loud, Oh, maybe people can
play at home. Who do you think it is? Do
you think it's Barbuda Russia? Because the CIA director literally
just said, hey, Russia, stop, I know it's definitely Russia.
It's definitely Russia. And Russia's doing the old, Russia's doing
(45:54):
the old. It's almost like they're Alfred E. Newman vibe,
where they're like, what me ALFREDY Newman for MAM magazines
is what me worry? So just a picture Vitor Vladmir
Putin is that this? Yeah, this is this investigation is
going to continue, and this makes I think also an
interesting bookend when we're talking about suppressed or speculative or
(46:18):
classify technology. Because we started Today's Strange New well, we
started Today's Strange News congratulating an Oasis cover bands, but
our first story was about the possibility of massively advanced
hidden technology and what what governments can do about it?
And now you know our ending stories is quite similar,
(46:42):
isn't it, because we're looking at I mean, I talked
to some physicists about this, about what it could be
quite possibly, and they had really interesting notes. But whatever
it is is very much real, you know what I mean.
It's this is not the part of the horror movie
where it is just the wind houses. Well, according to
people actually looking into it, scientists as as well as
(47:05):
people in the tradecraft and investigators, they're saying it is
a pulsed energy weapon of some sort a directed post
energy weapon. So like to hear that on NBC News,
which you can watch right now, numerous videos. If you
type in Havana syndrome, you can find experts on in
public saying it's a direct directed post energy weapon. And
(47:27):
then they attempt to explain what that means and they
fail miserably, and it's not their fault. It's just hard
to describe. But it's basically micro microwave weapon that is
being pulsed at a brain, so it's superheats your cells
and then it cool they cool off really quickly. Then
it superheats them again and they cool and then it's
it's like this thing that causes damage because it's all
(47:49):
occurring inside your skull. So it's literally your neurons that
are being cooked rapidly, just for a second, a microsecond,
a moment. Then they're not cooked anymore than they're hooked,
and it just causes these pulses inside your brain. They
call them waves, but again it's very hard to describe.
But in the end, it causes trauma within your brain,
(48:10):
and somebody is doing it. The FBI literally just said
that dealing with Havanna syndrome is quote a top priority.
You can read a Reuter's article all about that. You
can head on over to the Guardian read the same
thing that the FBI is warning. It's its agents of
this thing. And if you start to feel anything like
(48:32):
this while you're on a case, on on duty, operating anywhere,
be aware and alert us, please as soon as you
possibly can. I have two questions first. But my first
question is do we have any public speculation on the motivation,
public speculation by officials on the motivations? Like the US
(48:55):
has tons and tons of embassies, Why these specific places,
why the specific people. I think that's a question I
haven't heard somebody officially address yet. There's a lot of
noise on, you know, in the in the public sphere.
But then, um, while you're answering that question, because I
know I'm putting you on the spot, I'm putting you
in the microwave beam spotlight here. Uh, do you think
(49:20):
that intelligence agencies in the US know more about this
than they're letting on? And have you ever heard of
the Moscow signal? I know I mentioned it off air,
just didn't mention Moscow signal? But no. I what I
can say is it's been detected I think six or
seven places that were diplomats and or spies or have
(49:40):
been operating, including in India and in Vienna, in Havana.
I know there are others Berlin. I want to say
there's there's been several places where it's been reported, but
I don't know. Yep, China. I haven't seen anything where
somebody is saying this is why they're going after the
spies of diplomat Other than why not if you're you know,
(50:03):
if you can attack US by and not get caught,
why would you not do it? In a measure of counterintelligence?
The only thing is they're actually physically attacking. It's not
like they're jamming signals, right, which is like part of
the trade. I'm going to prevent you from sending your
information out. In this case, it's like causing physical harm
to others who are playing the great game along with you.
(50:26):
She feels very strange. And here's why. I so I'll
go ahead, I'll say it. Here's why I think Uncle
Sam knows more about what's going down with Vana syndrome
than they may be publicly signaling. The Moscow Signal was
a somewhat similar attempt. From nineteen fifty three to nineteen
(50:48):
seventy six there was a Moscow run operation using microwave
transmissions between two point five and four giga hurts, too
apparently have some kind of espionage attempt on the US
embassy in Moscow. There are apparently no ill effects on
the health of the staff of the embassy, but that's
(51:10):
the official conclusion and people are still fighting that. And
that was from seventy six. Again, a lot of time
has passed, so if there's any sand to that, then
I think this means the Russian forces would have had
a lot of time to refine their techniques. I know
that's a lot of this, but I think it's it's
(51:31):
a good place to start digging, you know what I mean. Also,
the Moscow signal, perfect name for a post rock band.
Oh oh, that's not a thing, it must be. We're
talking about that earlier off air. I agree. Uh well,
So hey, if you're out there and you want to
learn more, we've already given you some articles you can
check out. Check out Seized by some Invisible Hand, what
(51:52):
it feels like to have have in a syndrome. You
can find that on NBC News. If you go to YouTube,
you can check out early vic ms of Havana syndrome
speak out about ongoing health struggles. That's again NBC News,
sorry for doing the same thing there. CBS News has
one called former CIA Officers Shares Struggle with Havana Syndrome,
(52:12):
in which you will hear from Dr David Relman, who's
the chairman of the National Academies of Sciences Committee, who
was looking at this. He's the one who's talking about
directed energy weapons and how your your brain gets microwaved.
So we're gonna continue going down this rabbit hole. We're
gonna come back to you with the best info we
can find, and uh look forward to covering this more
(52:34):
in the future. It's a scary thing. It's real. It's
out there. Stay safe if you're in the State Department
in any way, shape or form right now, right on? Yeah,
well said, and and keep in mind, you know, this
kind of stuff can affect people who are just in
the building. You know what I mean. It's not sci
(52:56):
fi enough to target people based on their job. It's
targeting people based on their look, Patian, So it was
happening to people in their homes where they worked exactly. Yeah,
So there is more to the story, and there definitely is,
I would say in all three stories we explored today,
there's definitely stuff they don't want you to know in
(53:17):
each of them. You and on will continue to radicalize,
right The Havanna syndrome will continue to remain enigmatic unless
there is serious public investigation. And the Pentagon apparently thinks
that someone has some stuff they don't want Uncle Sam
to know. Strange bedfellows desperate times makes strange bedfellows of
(53:38):
us all we want to hear your strange news. Um,
if you were trapped with noasis over at that end,
we want to hear your story. We want to hear
your adventures in that regard, and I would love to
hear people's thoughts about Havanna syndrome. Would love to hear
people's thoughts like if you have someone that you've you
(53:59):
felt was going too far down any rabbit hole, whether
that was something like Q and on or something you know,
a little more of a deep cut before the age
of social media. We'd love to hear those stories too.
You always put this out occasionally, you know, every so often.
Just a reminder. If you have proof of extraterrestrials or aliens,
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(54:20):
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(54:41):
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to talk about And I was thinking, you guys know,
I've been working on trying to be a bit more
of a positive person with mixed results. I was thinking
we could open today's show up with a special congratulations
to sixty one people in the UK who recently, uh
(01:33):
recently got out of a tough situation. We all know
the band Oasis. There's a cover band called no Oasis
that was playing a gig that's supposed to be a
one night gig at a remote bar in the UK,
but unfortunately, due to a storm, they were stuck there
until for three days, up until a couple hours before
(01:55):
we recorded this episode. So they're out. Congratulations. I don't
know when it will be, when enough time will have
passed for them to hear Wonder Wall without you know,
reliving the events, But I had to ask you, guys.
I knew we've talked a little bit about Oasis off air.
You guys are Oasis fans still, right? I think that
(02:15):
just hit us at the right generation fan, I like,
you know, I mean they had some bangers. I like,
don't look back in anger a lot. I don't know
that I know any deep cuts really, I never really
like jumped on the Oasis train, but um, they certainly
occupied a place in my youth, there's no question about that. Yeah,
(02:36):
I still don't know what the wonder Wall is. I
don't think Noel Gallagher does either. I don't think so. Yeah,
they were. They were definitely that like this generation's Beatles, right,
But fortunately, unfortunately this past week is when that Beatles
documentary finally dropped and we got to all learn collectively
(02:57):
how I think It's Get Back was written because John
Lennon was late. That's right. Yeah, I've only made it
about halfway through the first part. It's quite long and uh,
incredible footage. It really shows, you know, there are all
these rumors and that was like a really cantankerous time
for them, and you you don't really see that. You
see them being pretty kind to each other. Um, definitely
(03:20):
having their own personalities and egos flexing a little bit,
but in general they work together quite well and it's
really kind of neat to see. It's almost like sitting
in on band practice. But it's like, you know, legends.
I guess my point is just there, they're not the
Beatles they wanted to be. I mean aim high, you
know what I mean. I applaud audacity and ambition, and
(03:42):
I think they made some great songs. So congratulations to
the folks who spent some unexpected time in the Tan
Hill in Great Britain's highest altitude pub Also on a
positive note, you know, maybe made some friends for life.
That's what happened to us. We're stuck in an airport
for a day. Uh. And then you know, maybe count
(04:05):
your blessings that you were stuck with an Oasis cover
band and not the actual guys from Oasis, who can
be a little cranky, so they don't even talk to
each other. The brothers Gallagher is pretty cute little detail.
Apparently the folks in the pub past the time by
doing like, you know, pop culture quizzes like pop trivia.
I guess that they had on hand. They did some karaoke,
(04:25):
and I guess that the Oasis cover band also regaled them.
But um, a lot of the folks in this event,
uh started referring to the band as snow Asis. Yes,
which is great because their original name was no Asis. Anyhow,
this is what you get with strange news, folks, the
hard hitting facts, the reporting that apparently CNN won't won't cover,
(04:48):
but CNN probably did get to No Oasis. Uh. Today
we have some important stories, some disturbing stories. We're gonna
talk a little bit about outer space. We're gonna talk
a little bit about good old spycraft cough cough, tradecraft.
We're going to also examine the world of cults. I
(05:11):
would also say it's a way for us to examine
how cults have changed in the world of ubiquitous social media.
And so for today's first story, I suggest we start
on what I'm gonna call another positive note. Congratulations to
the Pentagon, Congratulations to all our friends in the field
(05:32):
of ethology. The Pentagon is officially back into aliens in
a big way. That's our first story. Also, it turns
out Canada is ignoring aliens in a big way. That's
like the byline, that's the you know, the snarky paragraph
at the end. But we talked about this a little
bit off air, Matt and noll. Uh. We did a
series on those two disclosure reports that came out that
(05:56):
We're called a nothing burger by some because the d
classified report, which we did a whole episode on, is
is pretty short. It's mainly asking for more money, like
most government reports do, uh, and it did have some
revelatory stuff in there. It said that, you know, there
are a few sightings that appear to be things operated
(06:18):
by some sort of intelligence and appear to be technology
beyond the grasp of at least the U. S. Military
Industrial complex. So when that report came out, it sort
of fizzled a little because the more substantive classified report
is still classified, so the public doesn't know what's in
(06:39):
there and probably won't know a lot of it for
decades to come. But the big question we all had
once you probably had at home, fellow conspiracy realist, was
simply this, what next? What's going to happen? You know
what I mean? Is is there going to be any
action from this from the world's mightiest military pretty much
(07:00):
saying we don't know what the is going on? Right.
We talked about the threats that poses, we talked about
the problems it creates, and we talked about whether or
not anything would happen, or whether the news would just
go to some like distracting story about celebrity there's something
like that, which it did. By the way. Yeah, I
(07:21):
gotta say, though a pretty clunky name they've given this thing. Yeah,
the Airboard Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group or al. Yeah,
the synchronization is what through me and also not a
particularly sexy acronym that you can actually speak as as
you just pointed out, then what is the synchronization aspect
the idea of like connecting with other governments and getting
(07:43):
people on the same page, or like, well, what is
this angle here? It's connecting other offices. Uh, and it's
it's sort of making a central Okay, we're we're doing it.
We have to go into acronym land. They're gonna be
a lot of acronyms fire and off at you real quick.
So the Airboard Object Identification and Management Synchronization Group owns
(08:08):
that's like a sound like a CAFULU makes yes. So
this is this is like a repository. They're trying to
bring together all the information from these disparate parts of
the d D and different US government agencies. Because for
a long time they had two huge problems. One, a
lot of pilots and a lot of other professionals thought
(08:30):
they were going to lose any chance of promotion, maybe
even lose their jobs if they sounded like total wing nuts.
And second, even if they did report stuff, which was
the right thing to do. Uh, this whatever department they're in,
whatever branch of the military, may not have reported it
to anybody else. It may have just been filed away
(08:51):
and ignored Canadian style. We'll get to it. Lovely neighbors
to the north. We were going to point out some
stuff with Canada in a second, but uh yeah, they
appear to make a good faith effort. They're trying to
gather all these documents and all this information, and they're
focusing on something pretty interesting, something called Special Use Airspace
(09:15):
or SUWA. We're going overboard with the acronyms. I think
we gotta we gotta get them out of the way.
So there's ALMS, which sounds like, you know, um, a
Scandinavian person who's drank too much, falling in slow motion, right,
you can hear that. And then there's another thing that
comes into play. Let's just run through the acronyms here.
(09:37):
ALMS is going to also be involved with something called
al ME, which is Airborne Object Identification and Management Executive Council.
They're just killing it with the names. We've made no
secret in the past on this show that and I
feel like it's okay to say it because we made
the show. But uh, stuff they don't want you to
(09:57):
know is a ridiculously long name for a podcast, and
even we have nothing on these guys. They're looking for
actual UFOs and they're gonna lose so much time just
typing out their names for things. Anyway, Anyway, so this
is good, right, Um, did you guys think this would
happen or that this would happen publicly? I think we
(10:18):
all sort of assumed it would go on underground. I mean,
I don't know. It's kind of like a successor, I guess,
to something that was already happening a task of course,
but this just sort of elevates it and gives it
a little more weight. Perhaps the biggest question was would
they get more money? Would their internal Kickstarter campaign for
the budget of the Pentagon funded? And it appears to
(10:40):
have worked, so okay, yeah, yeah, that's that's the question.
And it's it's a tricky question to answer if you
are someone who holds the purse strings of government, because
you will have to defend your decision, and it's a
high risk decision because what if what if there's some
(11:02):
political cause of the day in your district and someone says, well,
you know, Senator Jackson could have put millions of dollars
into I don't know, um, stopping puppies from being kicked,
which is a huge problem in our town. But no, instead,
she said it on a spent it on a wild
(11:23):
goose chase for aliens and intergalactic snipe hunt. You know.
That's that's the kind of stuff that can come back
to bite you. But this is also a necessary thing
to do because special use airspace is mission critical to
the US. You guys have heard the phrase special use airspace.
I feel like just hearing the phrase, we can all
(11:45):
kind of guess what it means, right. It's the it's
the places where you can't just fly right, And that's
everything in the places that we would easily recognize within Washington,
d C. And Virginia and a couple other places in
that in the kind of northeast of the United States,
as well as places out in the desert, places with
(12:06):
special special strategic importance to you know, in the energy field,
and all kinds of other research right that you can
just imagine all the places. It's funny. The special use
air space is not a term I've heard before, but
it encompasses a lot of terms that you probably have
heard before, like restricted airspace, you know, or national security
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areas or military operation areas and things like that. There's
quite a few other ones that I don't fully like,
controlled firing area, which is maybe for like war games
or something, or artillery testing ranges stuff like that. I mean, yeah,
you're you're spot on, because they this is a group
term that I guess the diplomatic way to put it is,
this is a group term describing any airspace that involves
(12:49):
possible activities that could be hazardous to an aircraft. Like, hey,
we shoot missiles here for practice, so you have to
fly around it, or you have to get or you
have to convince this to stop shooting off all these missiles.
One of those is an easier yes than the other,
I imagine, Or you're just not allowed to go to
their Yes, bad air bad airplane, don't go to there.
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So that is what is happening. That's exactly what's happening.
Unidentified things, whether they be objects or just the more
um Weasley word phenomena, unidentified things that can absolutely smoke
man made aircraft are showing up in these areas and
these military operation areas and prohibited airspace. No one knows
(13:37):
what's going on, or if someone does, they are certainly
not admitting it. This is a big deal because while
the more skeptical folks in the crowd may say with
some validity, this could be a misplaced priority, right, we
have real provable problems that need to be tackled. While
(13:58):
that is somewhat valid, it is not entirely on base.
As we said in our earlier episode, if you have
protected airspace and you can't protect that airspace, then that
means you need to question every assumption you have made
about your defense capabilities and probably your forced projection as well,
(14:19):
which is your your ability to go offensive. So this
is this is inspiring, but it's also scary. If you
live in the US, you should be a little freaked out. Yeah.
I came up with a new acronym for it. I
think it's the Nuclear Arms Pathway Protection Program or NAP.
(14:43):
Good with that one could also be strategic arms. Then
it would just be SAP. So if you would like
to play the acronym game with us, you can read
the official d D statement on alms U it is
I would say, just looking at it, it's about twenty
(15:04):
percent acronyms. Yeah. Yeah, And and the state. The closest
they get to saying anything about UFOs is just mentioning
that there was a report submitted to Congress in June,
and then they use the phrase U A P A
couple of times because they don't want to get caught
(15:25):
dead saying aliens or extra terrestrials, And in their defense,
that's because no one has proven that aliens or extra
terrestrials exist. If you want to hear more about that,
do check out our episode on that story. You can
also read that full declassified report online. It will take
you about ten minutes. It really isn't long, and it
(15:50):
isn't super technical either, because there's a lot of stuff
they can't mention. But we will close with this Canada
thing is teasing earlier. So whether or not you are
a fan of the way the US government tackles things, um,
whether or not you're a fan of the way Uncle
Sam has handled UFO investigations in the past, we can
(16:14):
say good on them for at least making public signals right.
Those signals may not necessarily be for you US residents.
They may be for whatever entity they think might be
behind these U A P. If there is something behind them,
if they're part of the same thing, you know what
I mean, It's still completely possible. It could just be
(16:37):
an agglomeration of errors. That's increasingly doubtful, though especially the
Pentagon believes something is going on. Make no mistake, but
good on them for being public. UH Canada has not
done the same thing. Over a motherboard of vice. They
obtained some documents from the Royal can Adian Air Force
(17:01):
and it turns out that the Royal Canadian Air Force
has been receiving some pretty significant reports of UFOs or
u a P and they just haven't done anything. Okay,
that's kind of brushing out of the rug situation and
just sort of like nothing to see here, folks situation.
(17:22):
So one example comes from the wee hours of September
when UH Royal Canadian Air Force squadron in Ontario got
a call from some air traffic controllers in Vancouver and
they said, look, something crazy happened. There was this pilot
for Air Canada Express who saw this this very weird
(17:46):
series of lights in the sky. We don't know what
it is. We wanted to pin get just in case,
which is what you're supposed to do. So the r
c a F said, all right, let's look at the radar.
They looked at the radar, they didn't see anything that
could explain what this pilot had seen. And then they
started sending out reports, They contacted the Transportation Department, and
(18:06):
then they contacted this uh kind of secretive part of
the Canadian Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Division, and
then those folks just didn't do anything. So we also
wouldn't have known about this advice had not gone through
Canada's Access to Information Act, which is sort of like
(18:27):
our it's like the US FOYA but for Canada Freedom
of Information Act. And what they what they saw, according
to an aviation consultant and retired fighter pilot named John
Williams or Jock to his friends, what they saw is
that the authorities were aware of this kind of stuff
and they also weren't taking a lot of action. Now
(18:49):
this isn't to say that they weren't doing their jobs
or they were being incompetent. They filed reports, it's just
there wasn't an alums or something like that for them
to follow up with. So maybe, just maybe Canada will
be taking a page from the U. S IS book,
which I normally wouldn't advise, and uh, digging a little deeper.
(19:11):
So that's where we're gonna leave it for now. We'll
follow up. Let us know what strange things you have
seen in the sky one three three st d w
y t k or conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com.
We're gonna pause for a close encounter of the ad kind,
he I wrote. I wrote that down earlier. It was good.
(19:33):
That was worthy of us, Like I'm gonna suffer in
shame for the act break and we're back from this
encounter we we've had with the ad kind. It was
not that bad. It was okay. I think we learned
something about ourselves in the universe and Jason's DELI indeed,
(19:57):
I'm just kidding. They make a pretty good muffle. Actually
it's somewhat authentic Jason, which also does online counsel you. No,
I think, yeah, yeah, Matt, you're the one that's anti
Muffalletta right, you don't like the olive. I'm sorry to
keep bringing it up. I just it was not picking
on you, Matt, teach their own. Indeed, I'll tell you
(20:19):
he's picking on me. I mentioned this to you guys
before we uh sure to recording today. I sent you
a screenshot. I inexplicably have like fifteen calendar events on
my calendar for today, all of which are reminding me
and encouraging me. To renew McAfee anti virus and is
this the dead hand? Is this the thing? It seems
(20:40):
like a real missed opportunity. But like I have one
for two PM saying important renew McAfee, and then one
for three pm this is your McAfee is expired today,
then one for four pm activate McAfee, and then five
pm don't forget to renew McAfee, and then renew McAfee
license now, and now your McAfee license expired today. It
goes on. I am really kind of eaked out. I
(21:01):
have no idea how that's ended up in my calendar.
It seems super fishy, don't you guys think? Yeah, it
could have been an older email, maybe a non work
related email that just like got pulled back up in
their banks. Or I said this on the group chat
to man, if you want to get to the bottom
of it, you could just contact McAfee and say what
what's going on? I don't know if I want to.
(21:21):
I don't want to open that can of worms. Uh.
It was definitely bizarre. Uh, not quite as bizarre and
sad as the story that I'm going to talk about today.
We've talked about this second um Yeah, it was the
best I could do. Let's talk about this to some degree. Uh,
this group of frankly fringe Q and on um conspirators. Uh.
(21:42):
And that's saying a lot when the whole Q and
on conspiracy theory and and kind of you know, let's
call it what it is, culled, Uh, cyber cults, I
guess um is about as fringe as you can get,
you know, in the world of conspiracy theories. It's sort
of this like weird mash up of every conspiracy theory
we know about the lolo wackist ones anyway, um, with
some Illuminati stuff thrown in there, some you know sexual
(22:04):
predation uh purportedly you know, being carried out by you know,
high level officials and members of political aristocracies and all
of that good stuff. Uh, some pizza gate sprinkled on
the top for good measure. UM. And it's one of
these decentralized kind of conspiracy theories that's so convoluted it
just keeps getting added to and attitude and attitude um.
(22:25):
One of my favorite YouTube channels, Internet Today referred to
it as a Katamari of conspiracy theory. If you know
the game, it's like this little dude that's rolling up
all the stuff until the ball gets bigger and bigger
and bigger, and then it starts rolling up subsequently bigger
and bigger stuff. That's I think a really great way
of looking at what Q and ON is. UM. What
we obviously we've talked about qum on in general. If
(22:45):
you haven't checked out Jake Hanrahan's incredible podcast series Q Clearance,
get you to a podcast app right now and check
it out. Um. But there's an interesting new development. There's
this fringe group that has gathered in downtown Dallas, Texas
and Deely Plaza specifically, which is where of course John F.
Kennedy was assassinated. Um. They're also hoping to see a
(23:09):
an appearance from John F. Kennedy's son, John F. Kennedy Jr.
Who died in the plane crash in the late nineties. Uh.
This is all kind of being masterminded. Are led by
this dude UM named Michael Brian Prattsman, who is known
by the Internet moniker and Negative forty eight. A little
bit background on him. First of all, Um, he is
(23:33):
known pretty widely to be virulently anti semitic. UM. He
uses a lot of dog whistle type language um specifically
referring to people of the Jewish faith as Khazars or
it's some sort of like I think, I think it's
like a catch all kind of term for just referring
to this group um in a way that's disparaging without
(23:58):
actually you know, using anti Semitic slurs. But everyone knows
to tell you what it is. It's been used for
a long long time for folks purporting that the you know,
people of the Jewish faith control the media and banks
and all of that kind of you know, out there stuff,
which is patently offensive, uh, and you know, obviously hinges
on a lot of tired and offensive stereotypes about it's
(24:21):
it's worse though, it's the like you're you're nailing it,
but it's deeper than that. It's like deeper than wrap level,
because the idea, well, it's about extermination, right, I mean essentially, well,
the idea in anti Semitic fringe theories like the kind
of the blood libel stuff dating back like Protocols of
Elders of Zion, which was a you know, one of
(24:43):
the most popular hoaxes of its time in the world
of anti Semitism. Still propagated and and shared as though
it is factual. Today it is very much not so.
The idea is that anti Semites will tell you that
people who claimed to be Jewish today or identify as
Jewish are, for the most part, not that they were
(25:07):
actually right right aristocracy right, that they were actually cause ours,
and that they have co opted this identity as a
way to further their incredibly over complicated plan uh to
take over the world. And this this uh, this goes
(25:29):
back to like the eighth or ninth century, and it's like,
it's so far back. It's about the idea of causeurs
reportedly converting to Judaism, and this this could be a
whole episode of its own. We don't really, we don't
really do hate speech, but you're you're right, and I'm
(25:50):
glad you highlighted that, because whenever you're reading something that
sounds conspiratorial, that you can learn a couple of quick
flags too that can help you question the I guess
the sincerity for the credibility of some of the other claims.
We used to have a joke about it off air,
(26:10):
words like how far you have to read the whole thing?
Because you never know if that paragraph on page thirty
five might just casually say, and since you know the
Welsh control all the horses in the world and they
all right, whatever, Well, this guy, Um, absolutely is that
thing that you're talking about, Ben Um, no question about.
(26:31):
He obviously has tried to veil it a little bit,
but not a whole lot. Apparently he has um given
a lot of attention to a ten part documentary series
called Europa The Last Battle, which is considered incredibly anti
Semitic and makes claims like the Jewish people created communism
and started both world wars on purpose as part of
(26:54):
that great grand scheme plot that you're talking about, to
help them found Israel. Um by provoking the innocent Nazis
quote unquote reading this from a description in a great
Vice article that gives a rundown on this guy's background,
and it is chilling. Um. He again, he has posted
links to this documentary was available. He also promoted UM
(27:17):
a film called Adolf Hitler The Greatest Story Never Told. Uh.
That's a thing apparently, UM. And And to your point
about the the khazar um uh kind of ideology, he
literally was heard or in a recorded speech that he
made that I think made the rounds. I don't even
know something that he meant to get out, but it did. Um.
(27:38):
He said there are no quote. This is quote and
this is pretty offensive. Um, but I'm gonna read it
just so understand and give a glimpse into this guy's mind. Quote.
There are no Jews period, anywhere period. There is no
Jewish race, and the Jewish leadership are basically the British Empire,
the Roman Empire. It's just the criminals. So this is
the guy UM that has claimed that he uh knows that, Um,
(28:03):
John F. Kennedy and John F. Kennedy Jr. Are going
to return and um, you know usher in the second
coming of President Donald Trump. UM, which obviously Q no
on was a big part of the whole stop the
Steel and and you know the idea that Trump was
robbed of his victory and that he's actually staging some
grand coup. It's going to you know, happen in in
(28:24):
in some elaborate fashion like this. Um. Now when you
start getting into like dead you know, former presidents and celebrities.
They he's even mentioned like Michael Jackson might make an appearance. Uh,
Princess Diana, I think maybe he was mentioned. There's a
couple of other ones. Um. So he's gathered this fringe
group of Q and on conspiracy theorists. Uh. And they've
been hanging out there. They've just been hanging out there
(28:46):
and in uh in Deely Plaza in Dallas. They've got hotels,
people have left their families. They're just posted up um
and they're waiting for this prophecy to come true that
he has uh you know, foretold or whatever. Her And
the thing that makes him really interesting is he is
probably one of the more I don't know, I guess
I think of Q and on, and I know there
(29:07):
are some leaders like what's his name? Who's that guy?
Flynn has become kind of a big, big face of
Q and on. But he also recently was caught making
some disparaging remarks about how he knows that all the
followers or he believes that a lot of the follows
are idiots. And and it's the kind of thing that
you would think would shut people down and make them
be like, hey, screw this guy, he's talking trash about us.
But instead, like happens in many well laid cult situations,
(29:31):
is any sign of you know, negative or any like,
you know, proof in the opposite direction of what these
folks want to believe. They just use as an opportunity
to double down and say, oh, actually Flynn is just
playing the long game, you know, things like that, or
oh the probacy didn't come true on this day. That
means bigger things are gonna happen next time. You know.
It's it's it's tailor as old as time. Um. But
(29:53):
this dude, uh negative Fortier, just call him by his name,
Michael Prattsman, really has started to take on and almost,
I don't know, Jim Jones is kind of uh stature.
I mean, he you know, is absolutely commanding the hearts
and minds of this small, you know, admittedly small, but
loyal group of followers. There's an article actually from the
(30:15):
Dallas paper, the Dallas Morning News, UM that interviews a
you know, experts on conspiracy theories and you know, um indoctrination,
and this guy named Mike Rothschild who wrote a book
called The Storm Is upon Us, and he specifically calls
out how this guy is undeniably a cult leader. He says,
in this article by Michael Williams, there is absolutely behavior
(30:40):
control and thought control um going on. He's telling people
what to do. He's having people stand in straight lines
to have conversations. He's telling people when to go outside,
when to look up, when to look down. It is
unquestionably the behavior of a cult leader. Um. And this
is you know again, this Q and On thing has
always felt kind of decentralized to me. You know, there
(31:03):
were some figures that emerged, like the q and On
shaman or whatever, and some flynn who has been feuding
with another q and On kind of luminary Lynn Wood,
who was one of Trump's um lawyers I believe, and
has now become kind of like a q and On booster.
I guess you could call her. Um. But this guy
(31:23):
Pratsman really is starting to feel more like he's taking
in a religious direction, you know, like like like treating
people like followers, you know, like almost like subjects. It's
very interesting. Um. And they're still hanging out um at
in Dallas. They've got a hotel rooms. There's like a
video that emerged of the followers like covering this guy
(31:44):
and like rolls and rolls and rolls of toilet paper
while singing him Happy Birthday. Um, which is yeah, they
they rolled him, dude, They rolled this guy but he's like,
you know, laughing, and it feels like a ceremonial kind
and see it seems silly, but it also super odds
respect for other cultures practices, you know, fair enough, fair
(32:07):
enough ben as do I, um, but undeniably a little strange.
And here's where it gets stranger. And then I want
to throw it to you guys, and so you think, um,
I really feel like, you know, this guy, he doesn't.
A lot of quan On groups do promote violence and
and uprising against the government. He's not doing that. Uh.
He is treating it much more like the stoic, you know,
(32:27):
kind of self contained movement that is awaiting the second
coming of some deity. Almost like that's what it feels like,
you know. But but he he has no kind of
confrontational language, and his rhetoric about you know, rising up
like he sounds like the kind of guy that wouldn't
necessarily be pro insurgency or uprising. But uh, here's the
(32:48):
part where it gets really really spooky. Um. He has
claimed that quote, ultimately we have to experience that physical death,
let go come out on the other side. It's almost
like and then he also posted, uh, a some coordinates
or like a Google Map location a screenshot of an apisode.
(33:11):
It was as a screenshot of like a Google Map
situation that showed the destination of Waco, Texas, which if
anyone remembers, most of us do of a certain age,
and if not, there was like a Netflix series on
it pretty recently, if you're a true crime the Siege
of Mount Carmel, which was where the branch Davidian religious
(33:32):
sect um kind of you know, armed to the teeth
UH went to battle with the you know, the fbi
UM and resulted in seventy six people being killed, including
twenty children. Obviously there was a lot of fault on
the government's part in that UH debacle as well. But
why is this guy posting things like that? UM? And
(33:54):
what is with this whole idea of you know, we
must experience the death of the body to truly understand.
It starts to feel like this is the kind of
thing that could be heading in a really scary direction.
Well I'm not sure about that. I just know I've
seen this before using something called jim matria. I think
(34:15):
it's how you say it, Ben. We talked about this
during numerology explorations years ago, where you just assign each
letter of in this case the English alphabet, a numerical number,
so A would be one, B would be to go
down the line I think twenty to get to twenty six,
which will be easy. Maybe that's wrong, whatever. Um. And
then you take a phrase, let's say, stuff they don't
(34:37):
want you to know. You put it in a geometria,
calculator of swords, or you just do the math yourself
and you come out with a number. In this case
it would be one D and twelve, which is a
number on the back of Protsman's negative forty shirt or
somebody in that uh Dallas Morning News article. So I
(34:59):
don't know the last dances one twelve. So with stuff
they don't want you to know, guys, coincidence. The whole
point is to say that this kind of thing I
don't see personally. I don't believe there's anything to this
kind of thing of creating somehow meeting out of you know,
letters in that way, although I know there are many
people who do believe this stuff, and we'll see it
(35:23):
as a perhaps sign that there's deeper meaning in some
regular old phrase or even you know, a mixture of
specific phrases that add up to some other specific number. Yeah,
I appreciate that gi Matria shout out at neat point
of irony there. As far as consistency goes, uh Matria
(35:46):
is often considered a Jewish form of numerology. So great
job guys with the consistency. But I want to add
I don't want to soapbox, but I do want to
point out that you made the earlier comparison to Atamari,
which I've made as well, and I think it holds up.
But I would say structurally, a lot of cults or
(36:08):
cultic belief systems that have a built in expiration date
or milestones or timelines. They're like Matroshka dolls, where the
doll is the structure of a conspiracy, and when it
when the conspiracy doesn't like when it expands past that
timeline it's eighteen thirty nine June and the world didn't end,
then you just build another larger doll of conspiratorial structure
(36:30):
in which you house that other thing. And what's happening
now is that people are starting to either get hip
to the grift, and grift it is very much so,
or they're starting to just get tired of it. As
a matter of fact, quite recently, former q and On
follower I think still maybe current Q and On follower
wrote an open letter to Donald Trump over the various
(36:53):
failed predictions, dropping that in the chat. I don't know
if we want to talk too much about it because
it'll I think it could show up in a later episode.
But this is where you can see excerpts of this.
Just go to Newsweek. Um, we're not going to read
them out loud here, but just go to Newsweek and
check them out. You'll see that people are it's starting
(37:14):
to lose steam as a mass appeal thing, which means
that the people who are left are going to be
increasingly radicalized and they're going to encounter an exacerbated form
of group polarization. And that, I posit is when you
get to the very dangerous points. A lot of the
other folks are just, you know, like any other cult
leader there, grifters who have a undeservedly large sense of
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ego such that they begin to believe their own con
kind of the way. The example always uses Merlin in
a Connecticut Yankee and King Arthur's Court. Remember that, right, guys,
where where this unnamed Yankees shows up to key guarsas
court and he's like, first he thinks, oh whoa magic
is real? And he thinks, oh no, wait, Merlin is
(37:58):
a con artist, and then things, oh no, Merlin's being crazy.
I think that's what a lot of people are going
to go through. I think so too. But unfortunately, in
the meantime, families are absolutely being torn apart. Uh. There's
another really great Vice article about this specific you know
little splinter group of of Q and on Um talking
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to family members of folks who have gone on this
you know, pilgrimage to Dallas Um talking about how they're
worried they're never gonna come back. Maybe in a larger sense,
if there is concern about this, uh, you know, suicide
cult type situation. Again, I'm I don't want to overplay
that hand in any way. I mean, it's certainly not
anything that's proven, but we do know, you know from
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experts that when the narrative in these types of cult
situation starts to shift to achieving you know, utopia or
like Valhalla or something like through you know, death of
the body, uh, and knowing just how closely these folks
follow this guy, I mean, it's certainly something to take
very seriously. Agree, So uh with that, Let's let's let's
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keep an Eyeland story. Obviously it's ongoing because they're they're
not going anywhere, but nothing has happened. So we'll see
if anything does happen, and hopefully it's not something horrible
involving the actual people. Um and and hopefully they come
come to their senses and go back home to their families.
Um and if you you know, and again we always
say this, if you know anybody that's struggling with this
(39:25):
type of noctrination, there's certainly are resources for that. Yeah,
there are places like Dare to Doubt dot org, which
is uh more more focused on the broader picture. It's
not q and on specific it's it's about how to
help friends and loved ones detach from what they call
harmful belief systems. Yes, absolutely check that out if you
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know anybody that's struggling with this um or, if you're
trying to look into some resources to understand the problem
better yourself. So let's take a quick break to hear
worth more responsible, be back with one more strange news.
All right, we're back. We're going to quietly transition over
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to brain injuries or um A nominalous health incidents as
the government has been calling them recently. Uh, the Havannah syndrome.
We're back. We're gonna talk about this one more time
because there was a listener mail last week from Jim
who told us some stories about the trade, tradecraft and
spying cough cough cough cof um. We we mentioned Vienna,
(40:37):
Austria and how it was at one time the place
to be a spy if you were engaged in Cold
War activities on either side or for any you know,
player in the middle there, and how it is still
today a place where spies go and hang out and
try and recruit people in Vienna to spy on somebody else.
And it's just a game of tag tag your being traced.
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That's what we'll call it. Tag your traced. It's a
fun game that we're gonna start playing. So we brought
that up last week. Then there was news that came
out over the holiday weekend. It was Thanksgiving here last
week for US, and the CIA and the FBI are
both getting heavily involved in Havannah talk, Havannah syndrome talk specifically.
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So the first thing we're gonna read. It comes from
the Washington Post. It is titled CIA director warns the
Russian spies of consequences if they're behind Havannah syndrome incidents.
Really says it on the face there in the headline
of what this is about. CIA Director William J. Burns,
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according to the Washington Post, delivered a confidential warning to
Russia's top intelligence services that they will in fact get
in trouble if they are the ones who are behind
these attacks incidents anomalous health says occurring to people in
the State Department, both diplomats and spies, and sometimes the same. Well,
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the reason why this is important is because this thing
has been happening since two thousand sixteen. That's when it
was the Havanna syndrome incidents were first reported. There. Yes, publicly,
they're acknowledged at least within our bill, you know, within
the news, so that the public could hear about them.
And that was diplomats at an embassy in Havana or
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the embassy in Havana experiencing weird stuff migraines, severe severe headaches,
feelings of dizziness, not being able to stand vertigo, feeling
like they're for being forgetful all the time, just a
weird symptoms of brain injuries that it turns out after Now,
my gosh, guys, it's been five years of studies done
(42:55):
on victims of this Havannah syndrome or these anomalous health incidents,
and in many cases it has been shown that there
are actual brain injuries to these diplomats and spies, so
physical things that you can measure scientifically that show something
is going wrong in their brains. So something is definitely happening.
(43:15):
There's some kind of attack. It's not psycho somatic. I
would pose it as the FBI originally positive this was
some kind of mass hysteria that was going on. The
CIA believed that perhaps there was something going on that
wasn't an actual attack, at least in the beginning, and
now it has been acknowledged by both the CIA and
(43:35):
the FBI that something is definitely happening and we need
to get to the bottom of it. I think we
need to do a whole episode on this guy's as
we I believe mentioned not long ago. Ben, Yeah, yeah,
I actually already snuck that in our secret plans because
I was keeping an eye on this as well. We
when we originally did the story. We had a lot
of questions. It's one of those episodes I want to
(43:57):
go back to UH and see how close we got
to some of our guesses. But I've got that in
there for a a re examination of Havana syndrome, because
while there is no official formal consensus in the U. S.
Intelligence community as we record this, there are a ton
(44:18):
of people accusing the same group of ultimately being responsible.
I don't want to say it just yet because this
is your story map, but I've been keeping an eye
on this UH for for a while, Loki. One of
the big big things that happened that gave lie to
the original intelligence ideas of mass hysteria was a University
(44:43):
of Pennsylvania study that was published in jama in twenty
nineteen looked at the brains of forty diplomats who claim
they have been affected, and that's where they first proved
that something happened. Something happened that called as physical trauma
to their brains, so they weren't making it up. And
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people are still divided on how much you can learn
from that because it was a sample size of just
forty people, you know who would have been affected. But
the investigations are ongoing, and frequently I don't know how
much we can trust these accusations. But more and more
frequently the people who are saying it's not psycho somatic
or have some kind of accusation are isolating one country
(45:30):
above all others. I don't know if we have to
say the quiet part out loud, Oh, maybe people can
play at home. Who do you think it is? Do
you think it's Barbuda Russia? Because the CIA director literally
just said, hey, Russia, stop, I know it's definitely Russia.
It's definitely Russia. And Russia's doing the old, Russia's doing
(45:54):
the old. It's almost like they're Alfred E. Newman vibe,
where they're like, what me ALFREDY Newman for MAM magazines
is what me worry? So just a picture Vitor Vladmir
Putin is that this? Yeah, this is this investigation is
going to continue, and this makes I think also an
interesting bookend when we're talking about suppressed or speculative or
(46:18):
classify technology. Because we started Today's Strange New well, we
started Today's Strange News congratulating an Oasis cover bands, but
our first story was about the possibility of massively advanced
hidden technology and what what governments can do about it?
And now you know our ending stories is quite similar,
(46:42):
isn't it, because we're looking at I mean, I talked
to some physicists about this, about what it could be
quite possibly, and they had really interesting notes. But whatever
it is is very much real, you know what I mean.
It's this is not the part of the horror movie
where it is just the wind houses. Well, according to
people actually looking into it, scientists as as well as
(47:05):
people in the tradecraft and investigators, they're saying it is
a pulsed energy weapon of some sort a directed post
energy weapon. So like to hear that on NBC News,
which you can watch right now, numerous videos. If you
type in Havana syndrome, you can find experts on in
public saying it's a direct directed post energy weapon. And
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then they attempt to explain what that means and they
fail miserably, and it's not their fault. It's just hard
to describe. But it's basically micro microwave weapon that is
being pulsed at a brain, so it's superheats your cells
and then it cool they cool off really quickly. Then
it superheats them again and they cool and then it's
it's like this thing that causes damage because it's all
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occurring inside your skull. So it's literally your neurons that
are being cooked rapidly, just for a second, a microsecond,
a moment. Then they're not cooked anymore than they're hooked,
and it just causes these pulses inside your brain. They
call them waves, but again it's very hard to describe.
But in the end, it causes trauma within your brain,
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and somebody is doing it. The FBI literally just said
that dealing with Havanna syndrome is quote a top priority.
You can read a Reuter's article all about that. You
can head on over to the Guardian read the same
thing that the FBI is warning. It's its agents of
this thing. And if you start to feel anything like
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this while you're on a case, on on duty, operating anywhere,
be aware and alert us, please as soon as you
possibly can. I have two questions first. But my first
question is do we have any public speculation on the motivation,
public speculation by officials on the motivations? Like the US
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has tons and tons of embassies, Why these specific places,
why the specific people. I think that's a question I
haven't heard somebody officially address yet. There's a lot of
noise on, you know, in the in the public sphere.
But then, um, while you're answering that question, because I
know I'm putting you on the spot, I'm putting you
in the microwave beam spotlight here. Uh, do you think
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that intelligence agencies in the US know more about this
than they're letting on? And have you ever heard of
the Moscow signal? I know I mentioned it off air,
just didn't mention Moscow signal? But no. I what I
can say is it's been detected I think six or
seven places that were diplomats and or spies or have
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been operating, including in India and in Vienna, in Havana.
I know there are others Berlin. I want to say
there's there's been several places where it's been reported, but
I don't know. Yep, China. I haven't seen anything where
somebody is saying this is why they're going after the
spies of diplomat Other than why not if you're you know,
(50:03):
if you can attack US by and not get caught,
why would you not do it? In a measure of counterintelligence?
The only thing is they're actually physically attacking. It's not
like they're jamming signals, right, which is like part of
the trade. I'm going to prevent you from sending your
information out. In this case, it's like causing physical harm
to others who are playing the great game along with you.
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She feels very strange. And here's why. I so I'll
go ahead, I'll say it. Here's why I think Uncle
Sam knows more about what's going down with Vana syndrome
than they may be publicly signaling. The Moscow Signal was
a somewhat similar attempt. From nineteen fifty three to nineteen
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seventy six there was a Moscow run operation using microwave
transmissions between two point five and four giga hurts, too
apparently have some kind of espionage attempt on the US
embassy in Moscow. There are apparently no ill effects on
the health of the staff of the embassy, but that's
(51:10):
the official conclusion and people are still fighting that. And
that was from seventy six. Again, a lot of time
has passed, so if there's any sand to that, then
I think this means the Russian forces would have had
a lot of time to refine their techniques. I know
that's a lot of this, but I think it's it's
(51:31):
a good place to start digging, you know what I mean. Also,
the Moscow signal, perfect name for a post rock band.
Oh oh, that's not a thing, it must be. We're
talking about that earlier off air. I agree. Uh well,
So hey, if you're out there and you want to
learn more, we've already given you some articles you can
check out. Check out Seized by some Invisible Hand, what
(51:52):
it feels like to have have in a syndrome. You
can find that on NBC News. If you go to YouTube,
you can check out early vic ms of Havana syndrome
speak out about ongoing health struggles. That's again NBC News,
sorry for doing the same thing there. CBS News has
one called former CIA Officers Shares Struggle with Havana Syndrome,
(52:12):
in which you will hear from Dr David Relman, who's
the chairman of the National Academies of Sciences Committee, who
was looking at this. He's the one who's talking about
directed energy weapons and how your your brain gets microwaved.
So we're gonna continue going down this rabbit hole. We're
gonna come back to you with the best info we
can find, and uh look forward to covering this more
(52:34):
in the future. It's a scary thing. It's real. It's
out there. Stay safe if you're in the State Department
in any way, shape or form right now, right on? Yeah,
well said, and and keep in mind, you know, this
kind of stuff can affect people who are just in
the building. You know what I mean. It's not sci
(52:56):
fi enough to target people based on their job. It's
targeting people based on their look, Patian, So it was
happening to people in their homes where they worked exactly. Yeah,
So there is more to the story, and there definitely is,
I would say in all three stories we explored today,
there's definitely stuff they don't want you to know in
(53:17):
each of them. You and on will continue to radicalize,
right The Havanna syndrome will continue to remain enigmatic unless
there is serious public investigation. And the Pentagon apparently thinks
that someone has some stuff they don't want Uncle Sam
to know. Strange bedfellows desperate times makes strange bedfellows of
(53:38):
us all we want to hear your strange news. Um,
if you were trapped with noasis over at that end,
we want to hear your story. We want to hear
your adventures in that regard, and I would love to
hear people's thoughts about Havanna syndrome. Would love to hear
people's thoughts like if you have someone that you've you
(53:59):
felt was going too far down any rabbit hole, whether
that was something like Q and on or something you know,
a little more of a deep cut before the age
of social media. We'd love to hear those stories too.
You always put this out occasionally, you know, every so often.
Just a reminder. If you have proof of extraterrestrials or aliens,
go ahead and send it to us. We're all eyes,
(54:20):
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