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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis codename Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. It is the top of
the week, which means it is time for some strange news.
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As always, want to thank all of our fellow conspiracy
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As we are recording this, the US and the world
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is paying close attention to the tremendously controversial bill just
pasted in Texas, which may provide a precedent for similar
legislation in other parts of the country. We're going to
also explore the Satanic Temple. We're also just a few
days away from the anniversary of the World Trade Center
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attack and the Pentagon attack on September eleven, two thousand
and one. In fact, so many things are happening that
there are literally countries being overthrown as you hear this
known not Afghanistan. There are countries being overthrown and they're
not quite making the news. That's the reality in which
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we live today. So maybe we start in the US
and we traveled to Texas. You know, a lot of
people would initially ask what does the Satanic Temple have
to do with the Little Star State. Well, I am
glad all of those people asked that question because I
have an answer. UM. The Satanic Temple was recently recognized
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as a religion UM by the United States government, so
it does have tax exempt status and along with that,
like other religions, there are certain dispensations that go along
with being recognized formally in this way, where maybe some
things that are maybe illegal you know, uh for one group,
isn't necessarily illegal for another UM if it is claimed
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to be part of a religious ceremony. For example, there
are certain First Nations UM rights that involved taking psychedelics
and because this is recognized as being part of their
religion and their freedom of religion, it is not illegal
when done under the supervision of a shaman, like in
these certain kinds of scenarios. Similarly, the Satanic Exemple, which
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by the way, it does not practice devil worship uh
it is it uses much like the Church of Satan
founded by Anton LaVey, the symbol of Satan and Lucifer
as one of protests, one of putting personal liberties and
freedoms above all else. Essentially not at all, cents um
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and and just for a little quick background on on
what their principles are, it's very straightforward. They hold seven
fundamental tenants that they live by, and the first one
is one should strive to act with compassion and empathy
towards all creatures in accordance with reason, uh to. The
struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. They
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should prevail over laws and institutions. Three, and this is
very key to today's conversation. One's body is inviolable, subject
to one's own will alone, for the freedoms of others
should be respected, including the freedom to offend to willfully
and unjustly encroached upon the freedoms of another. Is to
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forego one's own. Five beliefs should conform to one's best
scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never
to distort scientific facts to fit one's belief um. Six
people are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should
do one's best to rectify and resolve any harm that
might have been caused. And seven Every tenant is a
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guiding principle designed to inspire nobility and action and thought.
The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail
over the written or spoken word. These all sound great,
uh to me, I see no fault. I see nothing
wrong with any of these. I'm not joking, borderline considering
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looking into becoming a member of the Satanic Temple um
because they they they're always doing kind of sort of
I pokey things to institutions, as you could probably guess
from those um those tenants. And they actually had a
statue of Batha met erected on the Arkansas Capital, on
the property of the Arkansas State Capital, with two children
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quizzically gazing up into his goat face and he's holding
up two fingers sort of like a similar with two
fingers up and then two fingers down, similar to what
you would see in images of Christ and the Apostles. Uh.
And this was in response to the Ten Commandments being
installed there in seen. So they're constantly kind of trying
to call people on their you know, bolt and um
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acting as a force for social justice and change. And
that isactly what they're doing today. Um. This bill that
was just passed, a law those passed in Texas outlaws
essentially abortions, abortion drugs, abortion procedures, um, any any kind
of abortion past six weeks. And that is at the
phase where you can just take a pill and be
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done with it. Take these medications. Uh. Not to mention um,
they're actually kind of taking a sort of snitch on
your neighbor approach where there's literally a website that has
been the recipient. That's a pretty amazing Internet trolling. But
as a website, yeah, of course it was because it
was probably just getting absolutely um blown up with with
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bad information or like you know, copy pastas of like
the B movie scripts or like I think I read
one person was spamming it with Shrek porn. Um. But yeah,
it was a site designed to rat on anyone that
you know, to be providing anything assistance or or something
as simple as just advice, right, And there was even
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something along the lines of like you could sue an
uber driver for taking someone to get an abortion procedure,
even if they had no idea that's what they were doing.
And there's like a bounty on it. It It was like
a ten thou dollar bounty essentially for each successful report
or something along those lines. It's an absolute witch hunt.
And Ben, I believe you were saying off the air,
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there's another state that's looking to adopt a very similar
structured law. Yeah, the Satanic Temple is getting a lot
of press because you know the S word, right, even
though as you outlined it is it could primarily be
described as a nontheistic human rights organization. Basically it's activism. Uh.
And I think the tenants you read are things that
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most people can reasonably agree with the danger of laws
like these. You describe the profit motive there, which is
inherently corrupt, the profound philosophical problems inherent in that kind
of law, and one of the equally terrifying problems on
the horizon is that this law is meant to be
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a framework, It is meant to set a precedent. Missouri
is considering a law like this and others will follow.
If you want to read the full text of the law,
it is t x s B eight Street name the
quote unquote heartbeat bill. You know, we strive to be
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objective and to bring you the facts of a matter
in our conversations and explorations together. I I cannot be
objective about this. This is this is a boring is
it is an unclean thing to do two innocent people,
and is disenfranchisement and it is frankly hypocritical if you
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look at what Texas does with four or two children
after they're born. Well, not not to mention the this
is also a big part of the country where people
are making the argument that you can't force me to
wear a mask, right, you can't force me to wear
a mask for the benefit of others, you know, like
who maybe are uncomfortable or are concerned about getting the virus,
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you know, spreading the virus to me. Imposing a law
that doesn't allow people to exercise their own control over
their own bodies is counter to what that sentiment is saying.
They're saying, my body, you shouldn't be able to force
me to put something on my body or to put
a vaccine in my body if I don't want to.
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But yet I will tell you, as a woman, you
cannot put this in your body because of Jesus. You
know again, I'm not I'm sorry. I have a hard
time not being a little bit about us. Were the
actual goals, then why not force all biologically male residents
of Texas to undergo of va sectomy? Which because because
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that's because it's a patriarchal, gross society, I guess. And
I don't know, Matt. You know, I see huffing and
puffing up there, But no, I'm not huffing and puffing.
I am familiar with the viewpoint and arguments of people
who would completely disagree with you, guys, because I grew
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up in a place, in an environment where abortion the
concept was one of the worst things on the planet. Now,
I held those views before my perspective widened, right, And
I know there are a lot of people listening right
now that maybe hold that view. And this is a
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you know, one of those extremely tough things to gain
any movement on somebody's beliefs. It's tough to move somebody
across a line here, right if you believe one thing
about it that's probably what you're going to believe unless
you can really get experience talking with somebody who has
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a vastly different experience than you, right, and and really like,
I think it takes a a one to one, heart
to heart kind of conversation where you can really change
your beliefs here. So you know, I just want to
point out that I know there are people listening to
this and like yelling at their iPhones and you guys
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for androids, yes, but for saying for saying what what
I agree with. But at the same time, I like,
I just I think we have to be aware of
that because it goes down to people who who see
value in life over you know, whatever, whatever other circumstances.
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The problem is they're missing a plot of the big picture.
And I'm glad you said that because there's something that
I would like to share. And I think it's something
Noel and you, Matt and dot and may have heard.
It's a quotation from a preacher named Dave Barnhardt. I
would like to read this in full because I think
it encapsulates some of the problems inherent and legislation Like this,
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He writes, the unborn are a convenient group of people
to advocate for. They never make demands of you. They
are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarceory, addicted or the chronically poor.
They don't resent your condescension or complain that you are
not politically correct. Unlike widows, they don't ask you to
question patriarch and unlike orphans, they don't need money, education,
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or childcare. Unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural,
and religious baggage that you dislike. They allow you to
feel good about yourself without any work at creating or
maintaining relationships. And when they are born, you can forget
about them because they cease to be unborn. It's almost
as if by being born they have died to you.
You can love the unborn and advocate for them without
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substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without reimagining
social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are,
in short, the perfect people to love if you want
to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
And again this is a preacher saying this prisoners immigrants,
the sick, the poor, widows, orphans, all the groups that
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are specifically mentioned in the Bible. They all get ruined
under the bus, the onboard. I think that's very well said,
and I just want to win out to that six
weeks you know, into a pregnancy. I believe the fetus
is the size of a grain of rice, and there
is no This notion of a heartbeat starting at six
weeks is largely blustered. It's like part of the pr
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campaign behind this whole thing, calling these heartbeat bills, um.
And the fact that there's no dispensation made in these
laws for rape or incests, I think is the truly
kind of abominable part of this. But just to circle
back to the Satanic temple, um, sorry if I bury
the lead a little bit. What they're doing is they
are calling their lobbying to the f d A to
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allow access to abortion pills in the same way that
First Nations people are able to get access to these
psychedelic substances legally. Um. This temple actually sent a letter
filed a letter rather but with the f d A
UH saying that that the abortion drugs Miffa, priss Stone
and Myceo pro Staal are part of its quote sacramental
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abortion ritual, you know, and is this a thing? Probably
not um, but they do have recognition as as a religion,
and therefore they can make it a thing, I guess.
And people are following suit, people are like joining and
making this claim. So I do think it's interesting. It's
very much in keeping with their sort of trolling, the
man kind of mentality. I fully approve of this. Uh.
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Their actual statement was this. They they tweeted about this,
lawyers for the Satanic Temples and a letter to the
Food and Drug Administration to request that TST be able
to access abortifacians word, it's new to me without being
subjected to the agency's regulations. We still have religious liberty
and we believe in bodily autonomy. And then they hashtag
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at Row versus Wade um, which is obviously something that
in getting certain justices appointed to the Supreme Court was
obviously a big campaign prom miss of the Trump administration
to overturn ro versus Wade and of the Republican Party.
It's been a huge, you know, priority for a long time,
and this appears to be what is happening. So I
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say hats off to to the Satanic Temple for uh
making a stand and doing it in kind of an
interesting creative way. I have to say, if old Maddie
fred over here circa even the year two thousand one
would have heard this as a story, I would be
freaking out to the concept that the Satanic Temple, no
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matter what it actually is, just the phrase the Satanic
Temple just recognition, right. Yeah, it is attempting to allow
or to to ritualize the sacrifice. And I know we're
using that, I'm using that term weirdly here, But to
sacrifice unborn children like I would, I would flip out.
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I would think the end is coming like today, because
that's what it sounds like you're saying. They would use
it as a as a ritual. They would, they would
classify it as a ritual to be able to perform
or provide. Yeah. But but again it's like it's it's
all a loophole. They're using their ability to create loopholes
as a legally recognized religion in the same way that
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governments are using loopholes to justify that a rice grain
sized fetus has a heartbeat, you know. Um, And just
that's just my take on it. And please listeners take
me to task if I'm totally full of it um,
but they do post some interesting stats and I'm gonna
read this and then that will pass around one last
time and move on. But this is how they put it,
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how it works. The Satanic Temple has every desire to
ensure the health and safety of our membership. The issue
is with governmental control over whether ts t S membership
can obtain access to these drugs. Ts t S ritual
requires a medical examination to determine whether there are quote
contra indications to obtaining an abortion as defined by the
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American College of Obstetricians and kind Cologists or the American
Academy of Family Physicians. A Satanist then returns directly to
TST with a physician certification that there are no contraindications,
and TST will directly supply the member with the abordi
facians so they may participate in the ritual. I mean
the ritual is is a is a moot point. It
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doesn't exist, and I'm sure the courts could call them
on that. What do you think is this? Uh? Is
this more of a symbolic gesture than something that you
think will actually pan out or here's the legal justification?
And fore you answer to that, um The Religious Freedom
Restoration Act was instigated and enacted to assure Native Americans
could have unfettered access to payote for their religious rituals.
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Consistent with this purpose, TST wants unfettered access to abordi
facians for its religious use. Given that payot is a
Schedule one drug with no accepted medical use, ts t
s request for access to prescription drugs is even more
reasonable to be granted under federal law. I yield the floor.
I mean, I know the Satanic Temple is really good
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at symbolic gestures, right, and that doesn't mean they're joking
about what they want or their goals. I know they're
good at doing something publicly or making a statement that
goes contrary to, you know, maybe what mainstream thinking is,
in order to prove that there's quite a bit of
contradiction at play within our thinking, as you know, as
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either the government or Americans or how you think about
religious freedom. And I wonder if that's what this is.
But it does seem like there may be an opportunity
here to at least at least show some of the
hypocrisy for what it is. Agreed all right, I think Ben,
you've made your position quite clear, and thank you for
that quote. I think that was a really great encapsulation
of some of the kind of counterintuitive ideas at play here. Um,
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and then please let us know. And again, I'm not out.
None of us are out to criticize anyone's faith. I
do think your faith is absolutely your own. But once
you start imposing that will on other people who do
not share your beliefs, I feel like that's a problem. Um.
So we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll
be back with more strange news. And we have returned.
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We're taking a trip outside of the US. We're traveling
from Texas to the country of Guinea. This is a
country located in West Africa, and the name may be
confusing for some people because there are three countries with
Guinea in the name. There's Equatorial Guinea, there's getting the Cell,
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and then there is just Guinea. You have probably if
you are reading international news and you're based in the US,
then most of what you're reading is probably about the
recent US pull out of Afghanistan, officially ending a war
conflict that's gone on for twenty years. There are some
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people who are listening to the show now who were
not alive during the beginning of this conflict, and so
when you're hearing these reports of what's going on in Afghanistan,
you may have missed other stories of unrest around the world.
The country of Guinea has undergone a coup, and the
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specifics of this coup, the machinations that led to the
ultimate overthrow of the government, have yet to be fully
sussed out. So what I'd like for us to do
is to walk through the basics of the timeline and
talk talk just a little bit more about what this
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means for the world, what this means most importantly for
the millions of people living in the country of Guinea.
So just a few days ago, as we record this,
a picture started going around Internet. This is the way
a lot of people learned about this coup. By the way,
almost the same way you would see a meme go
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viral and circulate. I sent this picture to the gang
right as we were getting rolling, and you got you
know the picture I'm talking about, right, guys, the couch
President Alpha, which is the most badass name ever. Uh
Condy perhaps, Yeah, he he's just chilling. Yeah, And you'll
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see a photograph of now former president Conde uh sitting
in a oddly relaxed posture while surrounded by for masked,
camouflaged armed individuals. So here's what happened just a few
days ago. As you were hearing this strange news segment,
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the military of getting stormed the president's palace, took him
into custody, and the leader of the coup, who will
get to in a second, Colonel Mamadi Doumboya, ordered the officials,
the ministers of the government not to leave. They had
to give over their government vehicles, they were constrained from
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leaving the country. The forces ostensibly behind this coup are
saying that they instituted this because of the widespread graft
and corruption in the established government of this country. And
oddly enough, when you see when you catch up with
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the news, we're still moving through the fog of war
and current events. But when you catch up with the news,
you will see the Western world seems primarily concerned not
about the people of this country, but about the resources
of this country. Guinny is in the world of international
business known as a vast repository of box site. Box
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site is tremendously important to not just Guinea but the world.
In getting exported a d two point four million tons
of box site. Why does box site matter? You know,
it's not like you're walking through a store and you
buy a cart in a box site, right. Box site
is a crucial piece of the process of making aluminum. Yeah,
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and it's b A U X I T E by
the way, if you're looking it up right now. Yeah,
and so box site is an ore that is the
primary source of aluminum and you have to chemically process
it to get from that thing in the ground to
you know, your Reynolds or stuff they don't want you
to know tinfoil, right, And this this is tremendously strange
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that a coop of this sort would occur and they'd
be an also reported kind of news story, Like, had
you guys heard of this before we were prepping for
today's episode. I saw headline about it. But yeah, and
this not to sound cynical, but it makes me wonder
whether there is an alternative narrative or what resulted in
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the coupe, because the folks who orchestrated the coup are
claiming that corruption has been around for a long time,
so what was what do you guys call it? The
inflection point? The delta, what what was the proverbial feather
on the camel's back of corruption and governance here? That
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and I always assume governments are going to be corrupt
where there's money to be made and people to be exploited. Yeah,
I can see that. I can largely agree with that.
Guinea is one of the countries suffering from what is
often referred to as the resource curse, which essentially argues
that many resource rich countries end up being exploited by
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other countries, trapped in debt, or victimized by corporate friendly laws,
or even governed by a puppet system. Right like, we
all know what happened with Guatemala in ninety four, and
puppet governments and coups are nothing new. But the reason
I'm bringing this story to us today is because we
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need to hear from people in West Africa. We need
to hear from people familiar with Guinea. We need to
hear from people who are perhaps familiar with box site mining.
We need better visibility on this because this is a story.
This is an event that is affecting millions of people,
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and it's not being treated with the importance or the
consideration that it rightly deserves. Is it not weird to
anybody else that there's a coup and it's just like, hey,
here's there's this new Marvel movie coming out also somewhat
overthrew a government, And what does that mean for a
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little bit of I I know, I agree it's actual people.
I agree that it's important, and it it feels maybe
to a lot of people, including myself, that there have
been a lot of coups and coup attempts lately, and
America has a known problem of widely understanding other countries
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where they're located, identifying with the people of various countries,
because again, we're very much ideologically isolated here, not all
of us that I think that's just a general that
is a massive generalization on my part, but that is
kind of a documented thing. I wonder just how much
of it is feeling like it's happening a lot, and
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then keeping track of everything as another coup attempt occurs.
The good thing in this case is that the president
didn't get assassinated in his home immediately at least, or
he hasn't been yet. But the the other thing is, Sorry,
I don't want to rant here, but I know there
was a situation in Guinea where the president basically decided
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he was gonna have a third term. Right, that's why
this allegedly began, at least according to the official story. Yeah,
he's been he had been in power for about a decade,
I believe. Yeah, so he went through his two terms
and then I believe he had he wanted to change
essentially the constitution or the what he would need to
change in order to have a third term. Right, I
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mean that's never that's never a good idea if you
want to continue being a popular president, if president at all.
So I'm sorry, I'm just trying to understand. I think
I do. But like, the coup isn't directly related to
the aluminum or the this you know material uh concern,
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it's it's a cause of it. So the coup is
causing conditions for exporting to be more difficult, therefore the
prices going up. Is that essentially the idea, Yeah, that's
the ways being reported. So at the time of the coup,
the largest market for this box site was China was
firms based in China. Uh. There were also active operations
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extracting diamonds, iron ore, gold ore, getting very resource rich
country right now, Nobody involved with the coup was saying
we did this for any other reason than corruption, Because
while the mining industry was booming and Guinea, the fact
of the matter is that most average people didn't see
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a significant improvement in their day to day lives. And
like you pointed out, Matt, the president, the former president
was accused of election rigging. It was accused of all
the corrupt things you hear about government leaders doing so. Again,
the part that is sticking with me, the part that
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I would like cleared up, is the answer about timing. Right,
this guy has been in office since and the complaints
seem large like the complaints of opposition parties are largely
the same throughout that time period. So why now everybody
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on the side of the coup, supporting the coup isn't
really mentioning Box Site or Aluminum, you know, to be
very clear, nobody is saying we were you know, paid
by insert shadowy cabal here to overthrow the government and
get better corporate deals on Box Site. But given the
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dirty business of geopolitics and war, it's not surprising that
so many people would ask that question. And I don't
think there's anything wrong with asking that question. We just
have to be ready to learn the truth, however ugly
it may be. That's and it maybe you know some
time before we do know or can now. Right, that's correct. Yeah,
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the benefit of retrospect and also the benefit of our
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We'll be right back and we're back. I hope you
enjoyed those advertisements as much as we did. Um, just quickly, guys,
I haven't been watching a ton of addresses from the
standing president right now, President Biden. I didn't really watch
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any of the releases from the previous president. Um. It's
just I think maybe a self care thing for me,
just like not watching a lot of the politics right now,
and for this particular segment, I've been watching several addresses
that President Biden has made and it just I don't
know if this strikes you, guys, but it just strikes
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me how how old our president is. And I know
that was in a lot of the discourse through throughout
politics in the last election. But man, alright, just personally,
I don't know. The grandfather a figure thing makes sense,
but I don't know, maybe not the great grandfather thing.
I don't I'm not even trying to be funny here.
I'm just like, it really weirds me out. It should
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weird you out, the age discrepancy between elected officials and
the people they governed. This isn't a political point. This
is just an objective point. The age discrepancy is weird.
It should be something that people think about. And that's
not That's not a day on any presidential administration, any
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political party. That is simply math. Is it not strange?
You know what I mean? Like the let's just for comparison,
just this set this up. The average age of a
person living in the United States is like thirty eight
years old. That's exactly how old I am. Good to
be completely average. Hey, congrats dude, for comparison. Yes, congratulations
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for comparison. The average age of a congress person is
about fifty seven and a half years old, and the
average age of a Senator is just under sixty three
years old. Interesting, is this a product of term limits. Sir,
ha ha, That's this is what I wanted to bring up.
There we go. President. President Biden has been serving in
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the United States government since nineteen seventy three, uh, ten
years before you were born. No, so like, Uh, the
reason why I'm even thinking about this is because September
eleven this year will have been twenty years ago, and
Joe Biden was one, you know, was in politics and
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he's one of the people that was able to make
some decisions on the aftermath of nine eleven how that
event was investigated, and he you know, he's been serving
the country for a long time. That's not a ding
on him in any way. It just means he's seen
September eleven from the day it happened until now, and
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he's he's been making political decisions throughout that entire time.
And well, with that can often come baggage, right, things
that maybe you'd rather not remind people of in terms
of you know, those responses that you're talking about. Yes,
and the news that we're going to talk about today
started for me in the New York Post of all places,
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and uh, an article about the families of victims of
nine eleven and just generally anyone who perished because of
that event, either directly during you know, that day, or
as a result of medical complications due to things they
encountered while cleaning up, or you know, assisting the efforts there.
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These families came forward to announce collectively that they didn't
want President Biden to celebrate or take part in any
official nine eleven memorial events this year on the twentieth
anniversary unless he was actively working to help them get
clarity on what actually happened, you know, whether or not
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there were further connections between the hijackers and the country
of Saudi Arabia, and you know, maybe other countries that
helped out in some way, whether officially or unofficially. And
the reason why they came forward to, you know, make
this statement is because President Biden is the fourth sitting
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president to have these families ask very hard questions about
who did this and why and share the information, please
share it now. And up until now, no president has
taken action. They've always made the decision that national security
is more important than transparency for the American people. The
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greater the greater good argument, and that's that's what presidents
have chosen. Bush Obama, Trump now Biden. But Biden has
changed it up a little bit, at least in a
political move that may not actually you know, come away
with anything or at least just another slightly less predacted
(35:36):
group of documents. Um. But because of pressure from the
families at least that seems to be the reason this
is happening. President Biden officially signed an executive order that
would have the I believe, the FBI, the Department of Justice, UM,
the Pentagon, these groups, specifically the FBI release documentation into
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the various investigations into the nine eleven attacks and specifically
with who who perhaps was behind them? What was the
money behind these attacks? Right? The complicity there, the possible complicity,
whether on an individual or state level, with the k
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. There you go. Yeah, I
apologize for just calling it Saudi Arabia. So it's so
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common to just call it Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom is
the kingdom. The Kingdom is the Kingdom. You know, as
they say, I don't know what I'm talking about here,
but yes, there's some really interesting stuff going on there.
And as we know, lots and lots and lots of
old money in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. So this
this order was largely inspired by a massive letter writing
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campaign like you said, that went on for four different
presidential administrations. I think it was one thousand, eight hundred
surviving family members of victims, people who were on the
ground and revived and first responders are specifically seeking evidence
that implicates officials from the k s A in allegedly
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supporting the attacks. That's what they're pushing for. It might
be surprising to some folks that twenty years after the fact,
some of the findings of the nine eleven commission remain classified. Yeah, oh,
it's it's very strange. And one of the primary things
that those those families are siding with regards to the
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Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a specific FBI investigation titled
Operation on Core that you can read about right now
if you head on over to Pro Publica and a
couple other places search Operation E n C O R E.
And you have to put nine eleven or September eleven
in there, because there isn't a different Operation on Core
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that exists. It has to do with music and and
some military service people. Um, but this was a real
FBI investor gation trying to figure out whether or not
officials in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had direct connections
to the people who were hijackers on September eleven, and
a lot of this information is being withheld from the
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American public what they found and what it means. And
you know, for me, the guy that watched Loose Change
when I was, you know, going into college, that's around
the time that I was watching Loose Change, I know
the flaws with that documentary. I also know that it
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created a lot of questions in my mind. And then
following a lot of the other you know, architects and
engineers for nine eleven Truth and a lot of these
other groups that have been pushing for transparency over the years,
my questions have, I feel, have only gotten more complicated,
let's say, because you know, I don't want to be
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that's the thing. It's I'm I don't want to be
considered a nine and eleven truther because that has so
much stigma behind it. But I still have questions that
I want answered. Right, So I shouldn't make you a
thought terminating cliche. Well, I agree, but I feel as
though it does so, you know, given the platform that
we have here to even express that I have questions
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that I want answered that I feel like I don't
have the full story. Feels like it could be a
perhaps the wrong move. But here I am telling you
that I've got a lot of questions and I'm very
much looking forward to what possibly could be released because
of this executive order signed by President Biden. Do you
have high hopes this is going to be something meaningful.
I don't have high hopes for that. But you know,
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much like the U a p. Report, perhaps we'll get
a very short executive summary of the findings and a few,
like I said, slightly less redacted pages classified report on
declassification rights. Fun but but well, so the way this
is worded when you read the EO is essentially I
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call this correctly. The order has a timeline as a
do date, a hundred and twenty days from when it
was signed, which I believe was on this past Friday. Yes,
so the FBI and the intelligence agencies alphabets involved have
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a deadline. They have a hundred and twenty days to
divulge information that's currently classified. There isn't There is an
exception in the in the language of this executive order,
and it's something like this specific wording is something like
this stuff will be released unless there is the strongest
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reason against releasing it, or so the strongest reason counseling
against it, or something something to that, if facts, So
there is still there is still a greater good piece
of the argument here. So there is still a way
for someone vetting this stuff to say, actually, if we
tell the public this, it is still a clear present
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danger to national security, that stuff can still happen. And
then further, there's a there's another baked in deadline not
later than a hundred and eighty days after the date
of this order. All the records from any separate but
possibly related FBI investigation also have to be disclosed or
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at least evaluated. Right, yeah, you're right. But the most
immediate deadline they have is September eleventh, two thou which
is just to finish the review review. Right, that's not
exactly what it's called, but they called the subfile investigation,
which is just a declassification review of documents. Anyway, it's
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it's uh, it gets a bit complicated once you get
in there, and you know, given those timelines, we may
not see anything for a long while. But at least
it's it's hope that perhaps there will be I don't know, well,
a little more light shed on what actually happened, because
it does, in a weird way, still feel to me
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personally like we don't have the full story. Well, that's
that's because the full story is not declassified, right, that's
there has to be something secret for this executive order
to exist. And clearly the people who have survived those
horrific events feel the same way. They want answers, they
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want specifics. There's nothing wrong with asking for those, right
I hope not. Otherwise they see you all later. I'll
be in the hole. Let's also remember, you know, we
did explore some of the international relations ship between the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States earlier in
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our investigation of immunity, legal immunity from different things, not
quite diplomatic immunity, in practice, immunity from different crimes. And
everyone also remembers the murder, the vivid section, the dismemberment
of the journalists Kahagi, and it's pretty clear that that
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was on the orders of the government of Saudi Arabia. Uh.
This is a tough one, guys, right, you know, and
we are coming up this episode comes out just after
the September eleven anniversary. You know, I don't want to
get to patriotic here, but definitely I am thinking a
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lot about the people that were lost. And there are
several people I know who have loved ones who who
died that day. So just thinking about you All's a
weird thing happened on Clubhouse. So I told you guys
about this where I've just happened into Jesse Ventura's room
because apparently Governor of Ventura has a room on Clubhouse
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and I asked him about this topic because I was
looking it up for this segment, and he had some
really interesting things to say, and he definitely feels like
we don't have the full story here. He said, it's
in the effect of if there's ever a commission of
any kind or an inquiry, that's always going to be
the final word that is referred back to. That's exactly
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what he said, no matter what, no matter what else
comes forward, that commission is what happened according to the government. Alright, well,
I think that's it. Hey, if you have any information
on this, or you got any personal stories about this
topic or any of the other ones we discussed today.
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As we are recording this, the US and the world
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is paying close attention to the tremendously controversial bill just
pasted in Texas, which may provide a precedent for similar
legislation in other parts of the country. We're going to
also explore the Satanic Temple. We're also just a few
days away from the anniversary of the World Trade Center
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attack and the Pentagon attack on September eleven, two thousand
and one. In fact, so many things are happening that
there are literally countries being overthrown as you hear this
known not Afghanistan. There are countries being overthrown and they're
not quite making the news. That's the reality in which
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we live today. So maybe we start in the US
and we traveled to Texas. You know, a lot of
people would initially ask what does the Satanic Temple have
to do with the Little Star State. Well, I am
glad all of those people asked that question because I
have an answer. UM. The Satanic Temple was recently recognized
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as a religion UM by the United States government, so
it does have tax exempt status and along with that,
like other religions, there are certain dispensations that go along
with being recognized formally in this way, where maybe some
things that are maybe illegal you know, uh for one group,
isn't necessarily illegal for another UM if it is claimed
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to be part of a religious ceremony. For example, there
are certain First Nations UM rights that involved taking psychedelics
and because this is recognized as being part of their
religion and their freedom of religion, it is not illegal
when done under the supervision of a shaman, like in
these certain kinds of scenarios. Similarly, the Satanic Exemple, which
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by the way, it does not practice devil worship uh
it is it uses much like the Church of Satan
founded by Anton LaVey, the symbol of Satan and Lucifer
as one of protests, one of putting personal liberties and
freedoms above all else. Essentially not at all, cents um
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and and just for a little quick background on on
what their principles are, it's very straightforward. They hold seven
fundamental tenants that they live by, and the first one
is one should strive to act with compassion and empathy
towards all creatures in accordance with reason, uh to. The
struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit. They
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should prevail over laws and institutions. Three, and this is
very key to today's conversation. One's body is inviolable, subject
to one's own will alone, for the freedoms of others
should be respected, including the freedom to offend to willfully
and unjustly encroached upon the freedoms of another. Is to
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forego one's own. Five beliefs should conform to one's best
scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never
to distort scientific facts to fit one's belief um. Six
people are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should
do one's best to rectify and resolve any harm that
might have been caused. And seven Every tenant is a
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guiding principle designed to inspire nobility and action and thought.
The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail
over the written or spoken word. These all sound great,
uh to me, I see no fault. I see nothing
wrong with any of these. I'm not joking, borderline considering
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looking into becoming a member of the Satanic Temple um
because they they they're always doing kind of sort of
I pokey things to institutions, as you could probably guess
from those um those tenants. And they actually had a
statue of Batha met erected on the Arkansas Capital, on
the property of the Arkansas State Capital, with two children
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quizzically gazing up into his goat face and he's holding
up two fingers sort of like a similar with two
fingers up and then two fingers down, similar to what
you would see in images of Christ and the Apostles. Uh.
And this was in response to the Ten Commandments being
installed there in seen. So they're constantly kind of trying
to call people on their you know, bolt and um
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acting as a force for social justice and change. And
that isactly what they're doing today. Um. This bill that
was just passed, a law those passed in Texas outlaws
essentially abortions, abortion drugs, abortion procedures, um, any any kind
of abortion past six weeks. And that is at the
phase where you can just take a pill and be
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done with it. Take these medications. Uh. Not to mention um,
they're actually kind of taking a sort of snitch on
your neighbor approach where there's literally a website that has
been the recipient. That's a pretty amazing Internet trolling. But
as a website, yeah, of course it was because it
was probably just getting absolutely um blown up with with
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bad information or like you know, copy pastas of like
the B movie scripts or like I think I read
one person was spamming it with Shrek porn. Um. But yeah,
it was a site designed to rat on anyone that
you know, to be providing anything assistance or or something
as simple as just advice, right, And there was even
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something along the lines of like you could sue an
uber driver for taking someone to get an abortion procedure,
even if they had no idea that's what they were doing.
And there's like a bounty on it. It It was like
a ten thou dollar bounty essentially for each successful report
or something along those lines. It's an absolute witch hunt.
And Ben, I believe you were saying off the air,
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there's another state that's looking to adopt a very similar
structured law. Yeah, the Satanic Temple is getting a lot
of press because you know the S word, right, even
though as you outlined it is it could primarily be
described as a nontheistic human rights organization. Basically it's activism. Uh.
And I think the tenants you read are things that
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most people can reasonably agree with the danger of laws
like these. You describe the profit motive there, which is
inherently corrupt, the profound philosophical problems inherent in that kind
of law, and one of the equally terrifying problems on
the horizon is that this law is meant to be
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a framework, It is meant to set a precedent. Missouri
is considering a law like this and others will follow.
If you want to read the full text of the law,
it is t x s B eight Street name the
quote unquote heartbeat bill. You know, we strive to be
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objective and to bring you the facts of a matter
in our conversations and explorations together. I I cannot be
objective about this. This is this is a boring is
it is an unclean thing to do two innocent people,
and is disenfranchisement and it is frankly hypocritical if you
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look at what Texas does with four or two children
after they're born. Well, not not to mention the this
is also a big part of the country where people
are making the argument that you can't force me to
wear a mask, right, you can't force me to wear
a mask for the benefit of others, you know, like
who maybe are uncomfortable or are concerned about getting the virus,
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you know, spreading the virus to me. Imposing a law
that doesn't allow people to exercise their own control over
their own bodies is counter to what that sentiment is saying.
They're saying, my body, you shouldn't be able to force
me to put something on my body or to put
a vaccine in my body if I don't want to.
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But yet I will tell you, as a woman, you
cannot put this in your body because of Jesus. You
know again, I'm not I'm sorry. I have a hard
time not being a little bit about us. Were the
actual goals, then why not force all biologically male residents
of Texas to undergo of va sectomy? Which because because
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that's because it's a patriarchal, gross society, I guess. And
I don't know, Matt. You know, I see huffing and
puffing up there, But no, I'm not huffing and puffing.
I am familiar with the viewpoint and arguments of people
who would completely disagree with you, guys, because I grew
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up in a place, in an environment where abortion the
concept was one of the worst things on the planet. Now,
I held those views before my perspective widened, right, And
I know there are a lot of people listening right
now that maybe hold that view. And this is a
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you know, one of those extremely tough things to gain
any movement on somebody's beliefs. It's tough to move somebody
across a line here, right if you believe one thing
about it that's probably what you're going to believe unless
you can really get experience talking with somebody who has
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a vastly different experience than you, right, and and really like,
I think it takes a a one to one, heart
to heart kind of conversation where you can really change
your beliefs here. So you know, I just want to
point out that I know there are people listening to
this and like yelling at their iPhones and you guys
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for androids, yes, but for saying for saying what what
I agree with. But at the same time, I like,
I just I think we have to be aware of
that because it goes down to people who who see
value in life over you know, whatever, whatever other circumstances.
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The problem is they're missing a plot of the big picture.
And I'm glad you said that because there's something that
I would like to share. And I think it's something
Noel and you, Matt and dot and may have heard.
It's a quotation from a preacher named Dave Barnhardt. I
would like to read this in full because I think
it encapsulates some of the problems inherent and legislation Like this,
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He writes, the unborn are a convenient group of people
to advocate for. They never make demands of you. They
are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarceory, addicted or the chronically poor.
They don't resent your condescension or complain that you are
not politically correct. Unlike widows, they don't ask you to
question patriarch and unlike orphans, they don't need money, education,
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or childcare. Unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural,
and religious baggage that you dislike. They allow you to
feel good about yourself without any work at creating or
maintaining relationships. And when they are born, you can forget
about them because they cease to be unborn. It's almost
as if by being born they have died to you.
You can love the unborn and advocate for them without
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substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without reimagining
social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are,
in short, the perfect people to love if you want
to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
And again this is a preacher saying this prisoners immigrants,
the sick, the poor, widows, orphans, all the groups that
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are specifically mentioned in the Bible. They all get ruined
under the bus, the onboard. I think that's very well said,
and I just want to win out to that six
weeks you know, into a pregnancy. I believe the fetus
is the size of a grain of rice, and there
is no This notion of a heartbeat starting at six
weeks is largely blustered. It's like part of the pr
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campaign behind this whole thing, calling these heartbeat bills, um.
And the fact that there's no dispensation made in these
laws for rape or incests, I think is the truly
kind of abominable part of this. But just to circle
back to the Satanic temple, um, sorry if I bury
the lead a little bit. What they're doing is they
are calling their lobbying to the f d A to
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allow access to abortion pills in the same way that
First Nations people are able to get access to these
psychedelic substances legally. Um. This temple actually sent a letter
filed a letter rather but with the f d A
UH saying that that the abortion drugs Miffa, priss Stone
and Myceo pro Staal are part of its quote sacramental
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abortion ritual, you know, and is this a thing? Probably
not um, but they do have recognition as as a religion,
and therefore they can make it a thing, I guess.
And people are following suit, people are like joining and
making this claim. So I do think it's interesting. It's
very much in keeping with their sort of trolling, the
man kind of mentality. I fully approve of this. Uh.
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Their actual statement was this. They they tweeted about this,
lawyers for the Satanic Temples and a letter to the
Food and Drug Administration to request that TST be able
to access abortifacians word, it's new to me without being
subjected to the agency's regulations. We still have religious liberty
and we believe in bodily autonomy. And then they hashtag
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at Row versus Wade um, which is obviously something that
in getting certain justices appointed to the Supreme Court was
obviously a big campaign prom miss of the Trump administration
to overturn ro versus Wade and of the Republican Party.
It's been a huge, you know, priority for a long time,
and this appears to be what is happening. So I
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say hats off to to the Satanic Temple for uh
making a stand and doing it in kind of an
interesting creative way. I have to say, if old Maddie
fred over here circa even the year two thousand one
would have heard this as a story, I would be
freaking out to the concept that the Satanic Temple, no
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matter what it actually is, just the phrase the Satanic
Temple just recognition, right. Yeah, it is attempting to allow
or to to ritualize the sacrifice. And I know we're
using that, I'm using that term weirdly here, But to
sacrifice unborn children like I would, I would flip out.
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I would think the end is coming like today, because
that's what it sounds like you're saying. They would use
it as a as a ritual. They would, they would
classify it as a ritual to be able to perform
or provide. Yeah. But but again it's like it's it's
all a loophole. They're using their ability to create loopholes
as a legally recognized religion in the same way that
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governments are using loopholes to justify that a rice grain
sized fetus has a heartbeat, you know. Um, And just
that's just my take on it. And please listeners take
me to task if I'm totally full of it um,
but they do post some interesting stats and I'm gonna
read this and then that will pass around one last
time and move on. But this is how they put it,
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how it works. The Satanic Temple has every desire to
ensure the health and safety of our membership. The issue
is with governmental control over whether ts t S membership
can obtain access to these drugs. Ts t S ritual
requires a medical examination to determine whether there are quote
contra indications to obtaining an abortion as defined by the
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American College of Obstetricians and kind Cologists or the American
Academy of Family Physicians. A Satanist then returns directly to
TST with a physician certification that there are no contraindications,
and TST will directly supply the member with the abordi
facians so they may participate in the ritual. I mean
the ritual is is a is a moot point. It
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doesn't exist, and I'm sure the courts could call them
on that. What do you think is this? Uh? Is
this more of a symbolic gesture than something that you
think will actually pan out or here's the legal justification?
And fore you answer to that, um The Religious Freedom
Restoration Act was instigated and enacted to assure Native Americans
could have unfettered access to payote for their religious rituals.
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Consistent with this purpose, TST wants unfettered access to abordi
facians for its religious use. Given that payot is a
Schedule one drug with no accepted medical use, ts t
s request for access to prescription drugs is even more
reasonable to be granted under federal law. I yield the floor.
I mean, I know the Satanic Temple is really good
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at symbolic gestures, right, and that doesn't mean they're joking
about what they want or their goals. I know they're
good at doing something publicly or making a statement that
goes contrary to, you know, maybe what mainstream thinking is,
in order to prove that there's quite a bit of
contradiction at play within our thinking, as you know, as
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either the government or Americans or how you think about
religious freedom. And I wonder if that's what this is.
But it does seem like there may be an opportunity
here to at least at least show some of the
hypocrisy for what it is. Agreed all right, I think Ben,
you've made your position quite clear, and thank you for
that quote. I think that was a really great encapsulation
of some of the kind of counterintuitive ideas at play here. Um,
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and then please let us know. And again, I'm not out.
None of us are out to criticize anyone's faith. I
do think your faith is absolutely your own. But once
you start imposing that will on other people who do
not share your beliefs, I feel like that's a problem. Um.
So we're gonna take a quick break and then we'll
be back with more strange news. And we have returned.
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We're taking a trip outside of the US. We're traveling
from Texas to the country of Guinea. This is a
country located in West Africa, and the name may be
confusing for some people because there are three countries with
Guinea in the name. There's Equatorial Guinea, there's getting the Cell,
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and then there is just Guinea. You have probably if
you are reading international news and you're based in the US,
then most of what you're reading is probably about the
recent US pull out of Afghanistan, officially ending a war
conflict that's gone on for twenty years. There are some
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people who are listening to the show now who were
not alive during the beginning of this conflict, and so
when you're hearing these reports of what's going on in Afghanistan,
you may have missed other stories of unrest around the world.
The country of Guinea has undergone a coup, and the
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specifics of this coup, the machinations that led to the
ultimate overthrow of the government, have yet to be fully
sussed out. So what I'd like for us to do
is to walk through the basics of the timeline and
talk talk just a little bit more about what this
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means for the world, what this means most importantly for
the millions of people living in the country of Guinea.
So just a few days ago, as we record this,
a picture started going around Internet. This is the way
a lot of people learned about this coup. By the way,
almost the same way you would see a meme go
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viral and circulate. I sent this picture to the gang
right as we were getting rolling, and you got you
know the picture I'm talking about, right, guys, the couch
President Alpha, which is the most badass name ever. Uh
Condy perhaps, Yeah, he he's just chilling. Yeah, And you'll
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see a photograph of now former president Conde uh sitting
in a oddly relaxed posture while surrounded by for masked,
camouflaged armed individuals. So here's what happened just a few
days ago. As you were hearing this strange news segment,
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the military of getting stormed the president's palace, took him
into custody, and the leader of the coup, who will
get to in a second, Colonel Mamadi Doumboya, ordered the officials,
the ministers of the government not to leave. They had
to give over their government vehicles, they were constrained from
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leaving the country. The forces ostensibly behind this coup are
saying that they instituted this because of the widespread graft
and corruption in the established government of this country. And
oddly enough, when you see when you catch up with
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the news, we're still moving through the fog of war
and current events. But when you catch up with the news,
you will see the Western world seems primarily concerned not
about the people of this country, but about the resources
of this country. Guinny is in the world of international
business known as a vast repository of box site. Box
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site is tremendously important to not just Guinea but the world.
In getting exported a d two point four million tons
of box site. Why does box site matter? You know,
it's not like you're walking through a store and you
buy a cart in a box site, right. Box site
is a crucial piece of the process of making aluminum. Yeah,
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and it's b A U X I T E by
the way, if you're looking it up right now. Yeah,
and so box site is an ore that is the
primary source of aluminum and you have to chemically process
it to get from that thing in the ground to
you know, your Reynolds or stuff they don't want you
to know tinfoil, right, And this this is tremendously strange
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that a coop of this sort would occur and they'd
be an also reported kind of news story, Like, had
you guys heard of this before we were prepping for
today's episode. I saw headline about it. But yeah, and
this not to sound cynical, but it makes me wonder
whether there is an alternative narrative or what resulted in
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the coupe, because the folks who orchestrated the coup are
claiming that corruption has been around for a long time,
so what was what do you guys call it? The
inflection point? The delta, what what was the proverbial feather
on the camel's back of corruption and governance here? That
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and I always assume governments are going to be corrupt
where there's money to be made and people to be exploited. Yeah,
I can see that. I can largely agree with that.
Guinea is one of the countries suffering from what is
often referred to as the resource curse, which essentially argues
that many resource rich countries end up being exploited by
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other countries, trapped in debt, or victimized by corporate friendly laws,
or even governed by a puppet system. Right like, we
all know what happened with Guatemala in ninety four, and
puppet governments and coups are nothing new. But the reason
I'm bringing this story to us today is because we
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need to hear from people in West Africa. We need
to hear from people familiar with Guinea. We need to
hear from people who are perhaps familiar with box site mining.
We need better visibility on this because this is a story.
This is an event that is affecting millions of people,
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and it's not being treated with the importance or the
consideration that it rightly deserves. Is it not weird to
anybody else that there's a coup and it's just like, hey,
here's there's this new Marvel movie coming out also somewhat
overthrew a government, And what does that mean for a
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little bit of I I know, I agree it's actual people.
I agree that it's important, and it it feels maybe
to a lot of people, including myself, that there have
been a lot of coups and coup attempts lately, and
America has a known problem of widely understanding other countries
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where they're located, identifying with the people of various countries,
because again, we're very much ideologically isolated here, not all
of us that I think that's just a general that
is a massive generalization on my part, but that is
kind of a documented thing. I wonder just how much
of it is feeling like it's happening a lot, and
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then keeping track of everything as another coup attempt occurs.
The good thing in this case is that the president
didn't get assassinated in his home immediately at least, or
he hasn't been yet. But the the other thing is, Sorry,
I don't want to rant here, but I know there
was a situation in Guinea where the president basically decided
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he was gonna have a third term. Right, that's why
this allegedly began, at least according to the official story. Yeah,
he's been he had been in power for about a decade,
I believe. Yeah, so he went through his two terms
and then I believe he had he wanted to change
essentially the constitution or the what he would need to
change in order to have a third term. Right, I
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mean that's never that's never a good idea if you
want to continue being a popular president, if president at all.
So I'm sorry, I'm just trying to understand. I think
I do. But like, the coup isn't directly related to
the aluminum or the this you know material uh concern,
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it's it's a cause of it. So the coup is
causing conditions for exporting to be more difficult, therefore the
prices going up. Is that essentially the idea, Yeah, that's
the ways being reported. So at the time of the coup,
the largest market for this box site was China was
firms based in China. Uh. There were also active operations
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extracting diamonds, iron ore, gold ore, getting very resource rich
country right now, Nobody involved with the coup was saying
we did this for any other reason than corruption, Because
while the mining industry was booming and Guinea, the fact
of the matter is that most average people didn't see
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a significant improvement in their day to day lives. And
like you pointed out, Matt, the president, the former president
was accused of election rigging. It was accused of all
the corrupt things you hear about government leaders doing so. Again,
the part that is sticking with me, the part that
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I would like cleared up, is the answer about timing. Right,
this guy has been in office since and the complaints
seem large like the complaints of opposition parties are largely
the same throughout that time period. So why now everybody
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on the side of the coup, supporting the coup isn't
really mentioning Box Site or Aluminum, you know, to be
very clear, nobody is saying we were you know, paid
by insert shadowy cabal here to overthrow the government and
get better corporate deals on Box Site. But given the
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dirty business of geopolitics and war, it's not surprising that
so many people would ask that question. And I don't
think there's anything wrong with asking that question. We just
have to be ready to learn the truth, however ugly
it may be. That's and it maybe you know some
time before we do know or can now. Right, that's correct. Yeah,
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I haven't been watching a ton of addresses from the
standing president right now, President Biden. I didn't really watch
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any of the releases from the previous president. Um. It's
just I think maybe a self care thing for me,
just like not watching a lot of the politics right now,
and for this particular segment, I've been watching several addresses
that President Biden has made and it just I don't
know if this strikes you, guys, but it just strikes
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me how how old our president is. And I know
that was in a lot of the discourse through throughout
politics in the last election. But man, alright, just personally,
I don't know. The grandfather a figure thing makes sense,
but I don't know, maybe not the great grandfather thing.
I don't I'm not even trying to be funny here.
I'm just like, it really weirds me out. It should
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weird you out, the age discrepancy between elected officials and
the people they governed. This isn't a political point. This
is just an objective point. The age discrepancy is weird.
It should be something that people think about. And that's
not That's not a day on any presidential administration, any
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political party. That is simply math. Is it not strange?
You know what I mean? Like the let's just for comparison,
just this set this up. The average age of a
person living in the United States is like thirty eight
years old. That's exactly how old I am. Good to
be completely average. Hey, congrats dude, for comparison. Yes, congratulations
(32:19):
for comparison. The average age of a congress person is
about fifty seven and a half years old, and the
average age of a Senator is just under sixty three
years old. Interesting, is this a product of term limits. Sir,
ha ha, That's this is what I wanted to bring up.
There we go. President. President Biden has been serving in
(32:43):
the United States government since nineteen seventy three, uh, ten
years before you were born. No, so like, Uh, the
reason why I'm even thinking about this is because September
eleven this year will have been twenty years ago, and
Joe Biden was one, you know, was in politics and
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he's one of the people that was able to make
some decisions on the aftermath of nine eleven how that
event was investigated, and he you know, he's been serving
the country for a long time. That's not a ding
on him in any way. It just means he's seen
September eleven from the day it happened until now, and
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he's he's been making political decisions throughout that entire time.
And well, with that can often come baggage, right, things
that maybe you'd rather not remind people of in terms
of you know, those responses that you're talking about. Yes,
and the news that we're going to talk about today
started for me in the New York Post of all places,
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and uh, an article about the families of victims of
nine eleven and just generally anyone who perished because of
that event, either directly during you know, that day, or
as a result of medical complications due to things they
encountered while cleaning up, or you know, assisting the efforts there.
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These families came forward to announce collectively that they didn't
want President Biden to celebrate or take part in any
official nine eleven memorial events this year on the twentieth
anniversary unless he was actively working to help them get
clarity on what actually happened, you know, whether or not
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there were further connections between the hijackers and the country
of Saudi Arabia, and you know, maybe other countries that
helped out in some way, whether officially or unofficially. And
the reason why they came forward to, you know, make
this statement is because President Biden is the fourth sitting
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president to have these families ask very hard questions about
who did this and why and share the information, please
share it now. And up until now, no president has
taken action. They've always made the decision that national security
is more important than transparency for the American people. The
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greater the greater good argument, and that's that's what presidents
have chosen. Bush Obama, Trump now Biden. But Biden has
changed it up a little bit, at least in a
political move that may not actually you know, come away
with anything or at least just another slightly less predacted
(35:36):
group of documents. Um. But because of pressure from the
families at least that seems to be the reason this
is happening. President Biden officially signed an executive order that
would have the I believe, the FBI, the Department of Justice, UM,
the Pentagon, these groups, specifically the FBI release documentation into
(36:01):
the various investigations into the nine eleven attacks and specifically
with who who perhaps was behind them? What was the
money behind these attacks? Right? The complicity there, the possible complicity,
whether on an individual or state level, with the k
the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. There you go. Yeah, I
apologize for just calling it Saudi Arabia. So it's so
(36:22):
common to just call it Saudi Arabia. The Kingdom is
the kingdom. The Kingdom is the Kingdom. You know, as
they say, I don't know what I'm talking about here,
but yes, there's some really interesting stuff going on there.
And as we know, lots and lots and lots of
old money in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. So this
this order was largely inspired by a massive letter writing
(36:48):
campaign like you said, that went on for four different
presidential administrations. I think it was one thousand, eight hundred
surviving family members of victims, people who were on the
ground and revived and first responders are specifically seeking evidence
that implicates officials from the k s A in allegedly
(37:09):
supporting the attacks. That's what they're pushing for. It might
be surprising to some folks that twenty years after the fact,
some of the findings of the nine eleven commission remain classified. Yeah, oh,
it's it's very strange. And one of the primary things
that those those families are siding with regards to the
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Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a specific FBI investigation titled
Operation on Core that you can read about right now
if you head on over to Pro Publica and a
couple other places search Operation E n C O R E.
And you have to put nine eleven or September eleven
in there, because there isn't a different Operation on Core
(37:52):
that exists. It has to do with music and and
some military service people. Um, but this was a real
FBI investor gation trying to figure out whether or not
officials in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia had direct connections
to the people who were hijackers on September eleven, and
a lot of this information is being withheld from the
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American public what they found and what it means. And
you know, for me, the guy that watched Loose Change
when I was, you know, going into college, that's around
the time that I was watching Loose Change, I know
the flaws with that documentary. I also know that it
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created a lot of questions in my mind. And then
following a lot of the other you know, architects and
engineers for nine eleven Truth and a lot of these
other groups that have been pushing for transparency over the years,
my questions have, I feel, have only gotten more complicated,
let's say, because you know, I don't want to be
(39:00):
that's the thing. It's I'm I don't want to be
considered a nine and eleven truther because that has so
much stigma behind it. But I still have questions that
I want answered. Right, So I shouldn't make you a
thought terminating cliche. Well, I agree, but I feel as
though it does so, you know, given the platform that
we have here to even express that I have questions
(39:23):
that I want answered that I feel like I don't
have the full story. Feels like it could be a
perhaps the wrong move. But here I am telling you
that I've got a lot of questions and I'm very
much looking forward to what possibly could be released because
of this executive order signed by President Biden. Do you
have high hopes this is going to be something meaningful.
I don't have high hopes for that. But you know,
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much like the U a p. Report, perhaps we'll get
a very short executive summary of the findings and a few,
like I said, slightly less redacted pages classified report on
declassification rights. Fun but but well, so the way this
is worded when you read the EO is essentially I
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call this correctly. The order has a timeline as a
do date, a hundred and twenty days from when it
was signed, which I believe was on this past Friday. Yes,
so the FBI and the intelligence agencies alphabets involved have
(40:28):
a deadline. They have a hundred and twenty days to
divulge information that's currently classified. There isn't There is an
exception in the in the language of this executive order,
and it's something like this specific wording is something like
this stuff will be released unless there is the strongest
(40:53):
reason against releasing it, or so the strongest reason counseling
against it, or something something to that, if facts, So
there is still there is still a greater good piece
of the argument here. So there is still a way
for someone vetting this stuff to say, actually, if we
tell the public this, it is still a clear present
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danger to national security, that stuff can still happen. And
then further, there's a there's another baked in deadline not
later than a hundred and eighty days after the date
of this order. All the records from any separate but
possibly related FBI investigation also have to be disclosed or
(41:37):
at least evaluated. Right, yeah, you're right. But the most
immediate deadline they have is September eleventh, two thou which
is just to finish the review review. Right, that's not
exactly what it's called, but they called the subfile investigation,
which is just a declassification review of documents. Anyway, it's
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it's uh, it gets a bit complicated once you get
in there, and you know, given those timelines, we may
not see anything for a long while. But at least
it's it's hope that perhaps there will be I don't know, well,
a little more light shed on what actually happened, because
it does, in a weird way, still feel to me
(42:21):
personally like we don't have the full story. Well, that's
that's because the full story is not declassified, right, that's
there has to be something secret for this executive order
to exist. And clearly the people who have survived those
horrific events feel the same way. They want answers, they
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want specifics. There's nothing wrong with asking for those, right
I hope not. Otherwise they see you all later. I'll
be in the hole. Let's also remember, you know, we
did explore some of the international relations ship between the
Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the United States earlier in
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our investigation of immunity, legal immunity from different things, not
quite diplomatic immunity, in practice, immunity from different crimes. And
everyone also remembers the murder, the vivid section, the dismemberment
of the journalists Kahagi, and it's pretty clear that that
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was on the orders of the government of Saudi Arabia. Uh.
This is a tough one, guys, right, you know, and
we are coming up this episode comes out just after
the September eleven anniversary. You know, I don't want to
get to patriotic here, but definitely I am thinking a
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lot about the people that were lost. And there are
several people I know who have loved ones who who
died that day. So just thinking about you All's a
weird thing happened on Clubhouse. So I told you guys
about this where I've just happened into Jesse Ventura's room
because apparently Governor of Ventura has a room on Clubhouse
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and I asked him about this topic because I was
looking it up for this segment, and he had some
really interesting things to say, and he definitely feels like
we don't have the full story here. He said, it's
in the effect of if there's ever a commission of
any kind or an inquiry, that's always going to be
the final word that is referred back to. That's exactly
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what he said, no matter what, no matter what else
comes forward, that commission is what happened according to the government. Alright, well,
I think that's it. Hey, if you have any information
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