Strange News: The US President Has COVID-19

Recently the US -- and the world at large -- learned that the President of the United States tested positive for COVID-19. As reporters and the public scrambled for more information, conspiracy theories proliferated like wildfire. In this week's Strange News segment, Ben, Matt and Noel explore the questions about the official timeline, other infections in the White House, and how world governments might react.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

(00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is they call me Ben.
We are joined as always with our super producer Alexis
code ename Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. It's the top of the week,
which means it's time for our strange news segment. This one, however,

(00:48):
dear conspiracy Realist, is going to be a little bit different,
because you see, we're recording this on Monday, October five,
And for anyone who remembers what happened and uh this
past weekend for us, UH, it was a roller coaster
of a news cycle and one that continues as we record.
The President of the United States, President Donald J. Trump,

(01:12):
has been confirmed to have tested positive for the coronavirus
for COVID nineteen. Being the commander in chief of a
world superpower, it's safe to say he received treatment the
average UH. Jane John or Joe American wouldn't normally get
as we record now, the President of the US has

(01:35):
just announced that he will be leaving Walter Reid the
medical facility where he's been for this weekend. Uh, and
he'll be returning to the White House. But so much
strange news happened leading up to this announcement that we
want to dedicate the majority of our Strange News segment
to this bizarre story that still has a lot of

(01:58):
questions left unanswered. Would you guys say that's about the
size of it. I would say so, Yeah, I think so.
And you know, we're talking about on October two, when
there was a tweet that went out from the President's
Twitter account that said that the President and the First
Lady had both tested positive, right, And that's kind of

(02:19):
what set off a whole just a whole series of events.
And it was immediately following, almost immediately following the first
presidential debate for the election of TWI. So it was
just there's there's a lot to talk about, uh, what
it means for, you know, the rest of all of
the events that are going to be happening for the

(02:40):
presidential election. And uh, there's there's already a lot of
consequences for people who are close to to the president's
re election campaign. So yeah, let's let's get into it. Like,
what do you what do you want to talk about
first with regards to to this happening. Well, maybe let's
talk about the time line, what we do and don't

(03:02):
know about how how the president was confirmed and how
various members of his party or people he had interacted
with were confirmed positive. First, So we know that one
of the president's closest advisors, one Hope Hicks, was stated
to have symptoms like indicative of coronavirus before the president

(03:27):
was confirmed to have it. But the president was in
close contact with Hicks during a rally in Minnesota. Ryan
was during that event that this occurred. This is interesting
because it ties into um it ties into something that's
that's pretty distressing. Uh. We had talked a little bit
off air, Matt. You had mentioned the presidential debate, the

(03:51):
first one between former Vice President Joe Biden and current
President Donald Trump. When was that again? That was on
September nine, That was in Cleveland, and it was the
first presidential debate held during the age of the pandemic.
During this time, the moderator was Chris Wallace. That's going

(04:13):
to be familiar to a lot of people. Uh. During
this time, the well, the debate was divisive, no surprise
to anybody watched it. Uh, there was not too much
discussion of actual policy during the length of the debate.
But we know behind the scenes there was a a

(04:33):
regiment and policies instituted that required, in theory, everybody to
get tested for COVID and to have a negative test
before they participated in or attended the debate. But members
of Donald Trump's traveling party, including Trump himself, apparently did
not arrive in time to take that test. So it's

(04:56):
an open question at this point when Trump did contract COVID.
That's right. It was Chris Wallace, the moderator, UM confirmed
that and said they were going by the quote unquote
on our system. Yeah. And it's a weird thing too,
because you know, we're talking about the outdoor campaign rally
where Hope Hicks started feeling unwell when returning from that event,

(05:20):
and that was on September, the day after the presidential debate,
So perhaps that's where contact occurred with the president. You'd
have to speculate all this stuff, and there's really no
I don't know how good it is for us to imagine, like, well,
how did he get it, when did he get it,
who was it until we get into the more conspiratorial stuff,

(05:44):
which then you know, we're gonna probably hit here just
in a few minutes. But about was he purposefully infected?
Was this a pr thing? There's all kinds of Yeah,
there's all kinds of things that we're going to discuss it. Uh, yeah,
we we don't really know, you know, if he was
infected or not, because he didn't get to take that test.

(06:06):
That's right, that's very least, though we do know that
he knew that he had been in contact with someone
who tested positive and can continued on with business as usual.
You know, there was an event where they nominated a
ficher or they put forth the nominee for the Supreme Court,
Amy Coney Barrett. And at this events, which I believe
was in the lawn the White House garden, Yeah, you

(06:29):
sure do see a whole lot of hugging and schmoozing
and non mask wearing folks um and of course Trump
himself was there. And that's sort of the event that
seems to have led to a whole slew of infections
within Trump's center circle and UH and White House staffers,
and also some press folks that are in what's called

(06:50):
the pool, folks that track Trump's movement and or you know,
get the briefings about when he's going somewhere so they
can kind of follow follow suit and get the coverage. Yeah,
it's drawn comparisons to the infamous Red wedding, which is
an excellent spoiler for song about some fire Game of Thrones. Yeah,
at this point, as we record this Monday, October five,

(07:13):
we know that there are at least twelve I want
to say twelve confirmed UH COVID cases that are in
some way related to that event at the Rose Garden.
But again, as you said, Matt, it's tough to pin
down exactly when someone was infected and when they knew
they were infected. You have to walk back and do

(07:35):
a little bit of clindrical and chronological research. But right
now we know that the recently affected people in close
communication in this spot, if you will include people like
Kelly Anne Conway who who hid the I'm laughing because
it's just terrible thing to do. Your kid, who hid

(07:57):
the results from her dog, her and her daughter believes
that her mother infected her. Hope Hicks. We mentioned Senior
advisor Rona McDaniel, chairwoman for the RNC Republican National Committee. UH,
Trump's campaign manager Melodia Trump the first lady, which makes
sense because that would be the person who's in the

(08:18):
closest contact with the president. UH. Senators Mike Lee from
Utah and Tom Tillis from North Carolina, who are both
members of the Judiciary Committee, which goes into play with
some of the stuff we're talking about with Scotus UH.
And then at least three members of the White House
Press Corps. I believe that a couple of other people

(08:39):
are suspected of possibly contracting COVID but have refused to
take a test or refused to disclose those results. And really,
you know, if you think about it, there's not any
law saying that they have to No, not yet now yeah,
now yet? Did you mention Chris Christie already good men, Yeah,

(09:01):
who has been hospitalized and is also highly at risk,
you know, for for weight and age factors, in the
same way the president is. And do we Nick Luna,
the personal aid Trump's personally It's rough the way this
virus really just goes through groups of people who are
not taking precautions, and it's still mind blowing to me

(09:25):
that there's debate about whether or not this thing is
even real. You know, um, maybe it's not. I mean,
I know, it's not so much debate about whether it's real.
It's debate about the severity of it. It's debate about
how it came to be, why it came to be, UM,
And we've talked about a lot of that stuff previously
on the show. I'm I think the mind blowing part
is that people aren't taking it seriously at all in

(09:47):
a lot of places where I've been recently, because I've
had to do some minor car travel, but not nothing intense,
but just you know, showing up in a place and realizing,
oh wow, you know in it and it doesn't feel
very safe in a lot of places in Atlanta, UM,
but you go a little bit further out from the
city and it just feels like nobody either cares or

(10:10):
are defiant or being defiant of the fear. I guess
in a way, right, yeah, I feel you. I went
off the grid briefly a few weeks ago, is very
much a different world. I suggest that anybody who was
planning to take international travel or something. If you live
in the US, take a drive, take the back roads.

(10:31):
Be safe, because you will see you you will see
a very different world, especially if you live, like the
majority of the US population in a large urban center.
It's it's worth it. We have to realize that a
lot of people aren't getting hit if they are a
very isolated area. We also have to realize, you know, um,

(10:52):
that that reaction of that something is being overblown is
a very natural and understandable reaction. The because the fatality
rate of COVID versus the um infection rate of COVID, right,
it's it's pretty small. It's not like you have a
chance of dying, but you still have a chance of dying.

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And it's just very easy for people unless they personally
know someone who has passed away from this or has been,
you know, crippled in some way for the rest of
their life, it's very easy to say, well, this is
just the flu, and this is a cultural fear, you
know what I mean, Yeah, you know, I totally get it.
I think it's just it's one of those things where
you think about you think about our our sitting president

(11:35):
right now, like he is at very much he is
at high risk of getting it to he's at high
risk of having very adverse effects from it, right like
a lot of people on this planet. And just because
you aren't, you know, maybe super vulnerable to being harmed
by this virus UM, it doesn't mean that there aren't

(11:57):
people in your immediate family or immediate group, even neighbors
or people that just go to the same grocery stores
you aren't, UM wouldn't be very much damaged by this thing.
So it's just I don't know anybody out there he's listening,
who's still like thinking about Well, maybe it's you know,
it doesn't matter, and I'm just gonna keep living life regularly.

(12:19):
I would just ask to please think about the people
that maybe you don't even know personally that are around you,
that could die from this even if you can't. That's
well said. That's well said. Man. It's troubling. It's the
tragedy of the commons, you know. I would point out
that as of ah, what, October three, the US just

(12:43):
recorded the most daily COVID nineteen infections nearly two months,
So it's not on decline. Maybe in like three states
it's in decline. That's it. So back to the timeline
just briefly, So on October second is when that tweet
amount from Trump saying that he and Flotas had tested
positive for COVID nineteen. Prior to that, he had tweeted

(13:06):
on October one, the day before that Hope Hicks had
tested positive, and then just leading up to that, in
the few days before, he had not only attended the
debate UM and that Rose Garden ceremony, but he also
had um attended a campaign event where there's actually footage
of him like throwing hats out, like make America Great

(13:27):
Again hats out into the audience and Dulouth, Minnesota. And
so you know, there's a lot of speculation and that
could have potentially been a super spreader event because you know,
understandably like, no, not understanding me, not at all. Uh,
The timeline is very sketchy and they're not really releasing
detailed information about when they knew what they knew, which

(13:49):
to me seems like there's something to hide. Um. It
sure seems like he knew when Hope Hicks tested positive
and then chose to maybe not have her travel with him,
but continued to travel and do these events, um you know,
where he was interacting with folks largely unmasked in the crowd,
like October one when he attended that Bedminster, New Jersey fundraiser,

(14:12):
which stinks, you know, because again we have to be fair.
We don't know, we don't know when uh the President
and First Lady realized they were positive other than that
self report on October two, but still regardless of who
knew what when. Imagine paying for one of those fundraisers,

(14:34):
of paying to attend a fundraiser in Bedminster, New Jersey.
Those things are expensive and and what you're paying, what
you're paying for. It's not the drvs, it's not the
coca vein nor whatever. You're paying for access to power,
which means you're paying to talk to someone whom I
very well have COVID, which means you're paying for a
chance to get COVID nineteen, a very good chance. I

(14:57):
don't think that's what they meant to buy. I well,
what is coca vaine? Coco van It's chicken with wine
with a grape wine sauce. I highly recommend it. I
thought you were doing a play on cocaine. Sorry, that's
my fault different. Uh. That's I'm sure it's a different

(15:22):
timeline for different people. But but yes, So now now
we know on the same day that he reported this,
that tweet came very early in the morning, twelve fifty
four am when he tweeted about the positive test. Uh.
And then later that day that's when Senator Mike leave
Utah reported And then on the same day, officials in

(15:45):
Cleveland said they could trace at least eleven different positive
COVID nineteen results to preparations for the debate, which is
kind of a could mean a lot of things because
a lot of people are involved in a presidential debate.
Check out our was a Commission on Presidential Debates and
Federal Election Commission stuff. Uh. But I want to fast

(16:06):
forward to October until later in that day, October two, Uh,
the the president's team was saying that he was experiencing
quote mild symptoms as he was flown to Walter Read
National Military Medical Center. That's one of the top healthcare
of facilities in the world, by the way. And uh,

(16:29):
we also have conflicting reports from his doctors UM where
they indicated that he hadn't been getting supplemental oxygen and
that he was again, like you said, been experiencing mild symptoms.
We then saw some reversals of that, uh, and the
explanation being it was a matter of bedside manner or
a matter of accentuating the positive. I guess in an

(16:52):
effort to not exacerbate the condition by stressing the president out.
I'm a little confused. The doctor you'll have to me
with his name, guys um that that made the statement, uh,
sort of justified why he maybe said something that was
a little misleading, And it was something along those lines
to like push forth the positive narrative and the hopes

(17:13):
that like positive thinking would help cure the president. I'm
I was a little taken aback and confused by that logic. Yeah,
the positive outlook. A lot of a lot of Twitter
fame was made by people pointing out the very careful
language the guy used when asked for when it's Dr

(17:37):
Sean Conley. By the way, when Sean Conley was asked
about treatment, was asked about the president's condition, you know,
vital vital information. Uh. He he said that he was
attempting to share an upbeat outlook. That's right. Yeah, I
don't want to call it spin in the medical profession,
but there is uh. There are a few key phrases

(18:00):
is that can let you know people are trying to
think positive, but nothing's really changed, just an average day
to day life, not in the life of world leaders.
But one of those is if you see a report
that says someone is in good spirits, that means that
there psychologically still ready to fight whatever medical condition they

(18:21):
may have, but that there may not be a strong
physiological change unless otherwise indicated. I think the thing that
I remember, what's it, what's the name Sean? I remember
him stating on the third, specifically on October three, the
day after that we learned about the president's diagnosis, that

(18:42):
the president had been dealing with symptoms or had been
infected for seventy two hours, I think he said at
that time, which would put it back to what is
that the thirty one of September. Um, right, So, I
mean it's just it's doesn't really matter, But I mean
it matters for all the people that he was around, right,

(19:03):
very much so. But um again, it's like conflicting information
from authority figures who are supposed to give us the
skinny on something. That's when problems are eyes. Right, that's
a big theme of this show when the when the
adults don't give us the truth or walk around it
on purpose for one reason or another. Um, what what

(19:27):
I do wanna talk about here? I don't know if
you want to talk about it later. Oh yeah, maybe
maybe we can talk about when we come back. I
really want to bring up these antibody cocktails and all
that the president got. Well, it's to your point band
about getting that what's I've seen referred to as v
I P treatment um, which actually can sometimes not be

(19:49):
a good thing because well for for sure, but I mean,
it's this idea that they're gonna throw the kitchen sink
at you know, a high profile person like us, possibly
throwing caution to the wind with things that are maybe
experimental or they don't know the full impact of interactions
with these things. And I've heard that the cocktail that

(20:10):
he's on, he's the first person that's ever been given
all of these things at the same time. And some
folks are looking at this as, oh, he definitely has
an advanced case of this or a severe case of
this because of the treatment that he's receiving. But it
could also be that because he is who he is.
The doctors are just like, you know, just using a
spray and pray effect, you know, or they're just trying

(20:30):
to like do it all, throw it all at him
and see what happens in the hopes that something will take,
you know, medicinal spaghetti against the wall. Right. Yet, you know,
let's dive into that. Let's pause for a word from
our sponsors, and uh, come back, and let let's go
all the way in. Let's let's see what's happening here.

(20:54):
And we have returned, so we're we're looking at it
a big, badger the bag here, which is that, yes,
there is inequality in the US healthcare system, and as
a matter of fact, in the case of a president,
there's a very good argument to be made that the
commander in chief should have the best healthcare possible, regardless

(21:17):
of how you feel about the individual occupying that position.
That role is something that should never be left in
a vacuum. So this gives us, um, this gives us
a couple of things to dive down into. First, I
think maybe we talk about some of the drugs that
he was administered and has been given, maybe why he

(21:39):
was given those v I. P. Syndrome, by the way,
is not the doctor's fault. The v I P syndrome
is when an important person demands excess treatment because you know,
they're scared or they want that experiment. That's why someone
who is a billionaire with an operable cancer can pull

(22:02):
strings and clinical trials, and a poor person with an
operable cancer is often unfortunately left to their own devices.
But but you're right, Noel uh, And you're right, Matt.
The President of the United States received above and beyond
what would be the typical COVID nineteen treatment, especially the

(22:23):
typical COVID nineteen treatment for someone with mild symptoms as
they were described. So I think maybe maybe we start
with decks and meth zone the steroid. Right as we
record this, the President is on steroids, which I never
thought i'd say on air, but yeah, here we are.

(22:45):
I've been on steroids before for things, you know, just
to get to get swall, you know. I mean, look, no, no, no,
it's a very common thing. It's a thing they give
you if you go and you have like the flu,
or if you have you know, lammatory also true, but
if you have an alamatory situation where maybe like the
first thing they do is they give you a steroid
and they give you a Z pack, you know, which

(23:07):
is that highly overprescribed antibiotic. That's a discussion of itself,
but they tend to pair that with a steroid like
prednizone or something. But this is a little different, but
still pretty common if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, yeah, And
one tricky part of this, one tricky part of deck
and methasone is that we've been seeing a lot of

(23:28):
conflicting reports about when someone should be administered this. In
the case of COVID nineteen, you will see some medical
professionals who say, we don't really give that to people
unless they're already on a ventilator or something like that. Right,
very frightening stuff. But what we have to realize is

(23:48):
that right now there are their medical facilities that are
approaching things in slightly different ways. That's not a ding
on any of those places. It's just maybe some of
their protocols differ from one institution to another, right So,
uh So saying making a conclusive claim about when a

(24:10):
drug is or isn't a minister can be tricky water.
Uh With this being said, of course, a lot of
people who are who consider themselves opponents of the current president.
We're pointing out their own anecdotal experiences having this steroid
in their system because some of the side effects are

(24:33):
are cognitive or can be cognitive. So there are people
who are arguing, you know, I remember I had to
take not even this steroid, I had to take some
sort of steroid, and I was crazy for you know days. Uh.
And anecdotally or experientially that may be true, but it

(24:54):
doesn't mean that it's true for everyone in every case.
Does that make sense and applies a lot of this stuff.
You know, everyone's different and everyone is affected differently by
medications and also by the coronavirus itself. And here's the
problem again, we're not medical professionals personally, or you know,

(25:14):
Doc Holiday code named Doc Holiday does have a bit
of a sketchy past. So maybe, uh, maybe you were
you were you were a dock uh so maybe you
were a medical doctor as well in the past, there, Doc,
which now that I think about it, m m m okay,
let's talk about that off here. But but one of
the one of the things you noted about Decks and

(25:36):
methison is that many medical professionals, many many are saying
that dex and methizone is something that has shown promise
for critically ill COVID nineteen patients that may actually harm
people who have less severe cases of COVID nineteen. That's

(25:56):
that's that's a fact. So that makes you wonder, you
know what I mean, hence the throw everything at the
wall approach, you know, and see what sticks. But also
it could potentially be a bad thing. Um. And you know,
you never know, a guy like Trump could He's got
such clout, he could insist, you know, even against doctor's wishes,
perhaps in the same way that he insisted to be

(26:18):
let out to do a motorcade drive by to some
of his supporters outside Walter Reid, you know, which I'm
sure would have been discouraged by an attending physician. But
yet he was able to do that. You know, he's
the president of United States. They can't tell him what
to do. I mean, that's just how it is. Um.
And you know, we've talked about the fact that this
was in a hermetically sealed presidential motorcade SUV, you know,

(26:42):
with the president wearing a cloth mask and waving to
these supporters and uh two Secret Service agents wearing those
um the more protective and ninety five masks. But even
that seems a little sketchy too for a photo up
to uh put those secret service agents lives at. Really
it's I that struck. That struck me a little a

(27:04):
little odd. Well, yeah, guys, I want to talk about
Regeneron in cocktails of antibodies and when the heck that
is like Vigor from Always Sunny, doesn't it? But it's
it's it's okay, Well, so it's an antibody. I love

(27:24):
they keep calling it a cocktail. It's a it's a
combination of things essentially that it goes into you the
way I'm assuming. Actually I never saw it on here.
Whether or not it's a syringe or not, it just
says eight graham. Let me see, this's eight graham dose

(27:44):
of Regeneron's experimental antibody cocktail and directly to the armpits. UM.
But yeah, it's it's an interesting thing. I was on
their website a little bit trying to go through some
of the PR statements, and my goodness, farm pharmaceutical PR
is not something you want to get lost in. UM.

(28:08):
But but you know, they're in clinical trials as of
October no September twenty nine, they were going through clinical
trials and running tests on people. There were COVID nineteen
patients who are not hospitalized. That's specifically what these clinical
trials were. We're testing, and again it seems to be there.

(28:30):
The purpose of it, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong,
appears to be to help people whose bodies immune systems
are not readily fighting back against the infection and the virus.
This cocktail assists the human bodies immune system to essentially
recognize what they need to fight and to invigorate them

(28:52):
to fight the viral infection itself, which is interesting considering
that the purpose of decks and method zone and is
actually too somewhat suppress the immune system, um to keep
it from releasing these substances that can trigger inflammation. UM.
So I it's a little confusing why those things would

(29:12):
be administered at the same time. But again, not not
medical professionals here. Um it's it's it's a little odd.
And you know, and I've seen other doctors not connected
directly to the treatment saying as much. Yeah, and there's
a there's a dangerous thing there that happens when people
have multiple drugs administered, you start treating at times side

(29:36):
effects of a drug you took earlier, you know what
I mean. So you have one condition and you end
up taking forward treatments for it because maybe one is
just to treat the nausea from another treatment, right, or
one is to uh bring your blood pressure back to
a normal level because of what happens to your blood

(29:56):
pressure due to another treatment. So those kind of um
interacting effects can be incredibly dangerous if you're not closely monitored.
One thing I think that's standing out for a lot
of people in this story, regardless of how you feel
about the lethality of COVID nineteen or the degree to

(30:20):
which people should be concerned about it, you'll notice one thing.
Nobody can walk into a store and buy Regenera. Their
tests were the the r g N dash cove to
antibody cocktail that we're talking about. As you said, Mett,
it was in a trial with thousand or less people

(30:41):
meeting these specific criteria. So if you're not one of
those people, you're not supposed to be able to get it. However,
in answer to the question, how did the potus president
of the United States end up having this drug. The
answer is this regeneral and it's from there. This from

(31:03):
their side too, So UH Regenera and Pharmaceuticals has two
ways of distributing this drug right now. The first is
the clinical trial avenue and the second is what is
called compassionate use like compassionate use requests, meaning that um,

(31:25):
I am some boy and I have a loved way
in who as COVID and things are getting dire. We've
tried other things, they have not worked. Based on what
we understand of this drug and the clinical trials, we
want to ask you, in an emotional appeal, to provide
this outside of a clinical trial to our patient, to

(31:48):
our loved one. And that is the avenue that was
used for the President of the United States, at least
so far as we know now. And just did a
quick quick note, there are two companies involved in in
making this cocktail, Regenera on Pharmaceuticals and also a company
called Gilead UH Pharmaceuticals. And there's another version of the
drug I believe that Gilead is making. That's called remdes

(32:10):
Vier that you've probably heard bandied about a little bit too.
I thought it was the same thing, but maybe listeners
could correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe maybe they Maybe
I'm misunderstanding there. Well, it's getting a bit confusing with
with the various reporting that's coming out and how rapidly
it came out. Right, I know all of this reporting
happened at once, and just want boom boom boom, boom boom.

(32:31):
Was a huge shock to the system to have the
president diagnosed. So we're learning as we go, and we
are learning along with Make no mistake, many many other
people the world is watching right now because a vacuum
in the US power system. Uh, no matter how brief,

(32:53):
is an enormous opportunity to enemies. Uh. Sounds pretentious to
say it, but it's true to enemies, word and domestic.
It is so true. One thing I do want to
know another another story about these two companies, Regeneron and
gill Lead. I don't know if that was named on purpose,
uh for fans of the handmade's tale, But there we are.

(33:15):
That's the name. President Trump reportedly owns some stock, owns
some steak in both of those companies, which I mentioned because, uh,
they had a tem per cent jump at least Regeneron
did recently h due to their involvement in this case.
And additionally, uh, you can't help but think it helped

(33:38):
that compassionate use request get to the very top of
the list, because I'm sure there have been a lot
of people who were well I assume there have been
a lot of people were turned down. Yeah. Well we
we we we know the way a lot of these
contract vetting situations worked. There was a story on John
Oliver on last week tonight recently about the company that

(34:00):
went that got the contract for building the wall, um
you know, between Mexico United States, and it was apparently
someone who had kind of appealed to Trump's love of
Fox News by repeatedly appearing on Fox News talking about
how his company would be a great fit for this job.
And then ultimately Trump went with this individual, because there
is some personal ability to choose these uh, these contractors.

(34:22):
Not to say this isn't this is obviously a private
company that's doing this and this is for the commercial
pharmaceutical market. But that's a question I have for you guys.
I mean, is this a government contract with these two
companies or are they just it is purely commercial and
them just being the ones that are furthest along in
the research and kind of getting first to market with
something that's obviously going to be hugely uh lucrative. So

(34:44):
at least one of the company's does have a government
contract or general and got a four and fifty million
dollar federal contract back in July to manufacture that antibody
cocktail r e g N Cove two. Yeah, I'm gonna
have to call investor relations. Uh yeah. Theoretically it can

(35:07):
get a little sticky. There can be a lot of
preferential treatment based on campaign donations, etcetera, insider trading. But
here one would hope that the primary deciding factor for
a contract would be the likelihood of creating a scalable,
effective treatment. That that's again, that's what one would hope

(35:30):
would happen. Some analysts in a place called s V
Leering pointed out something that I had not thought of
earlier in respect to these drugs. They said, both the company, Regeneron,
and the White House's medical staff are likely to have
much to have access to much more information about this treatment.
R e g N dash Cove two then has been

(35:53):
publicly disclosed, so it's not necessarily stuff they don't want
you to know yet, but stuff that the average person
doesn't know, which probably you know, definitely I would say
tilted there their decision because you want again, you want
a cognizant, healthy president, especially if you're looking at a

(36:17):
possible transfer of power. Well, it's just happening so soon,
which makes this so irregular. So they're gonna be updates
on the drugs, on how they were administered, whether they
end up with the public, what their ultimate efficacy was
or was not, and that news may come out before
this episode publishes. We just wanted to give you a

(36:39):
background of some of what's happening now and what has
recently happened. Why are we harping on the part about
how important it is to have someone healthy and alive
in the role of commander in chief of the United States. Well,
it's not an idea that the four or five of

(37:01):
us had on this show. It's a very very old idea.
It was all the way back to something called the
twenty five Amendment, and we'll talk about that afterward from
our sponsor. And we've returned, so I hope that we're

(37:21):
doing a pretty fair job laying out kind of what
has happened so far. What are the questions, what are
the concerns. Now we're of course, as we said, we're
recording this end media arrests in the middle of the story,
so things can change. Um, we'll do our best to
follow up with updates. But when we last left you, uh,

(37:44):
we were talking a little bit about the twenty fifth Amendment.
The twenty Amendment is very important. It's a thing that
you may have heard sort of flittering around the headlines
pre COVID flitter around the lines just every so often.
It is a pretty young amendment in terms of, you know,

(38:05):
in relation to the other amendments. It deals with the
problem of presidential succession in the case of disability. So
it clarifies that the vice president becomes president if the
serving president does some of the following things. They die,
they resigned, their removed from office. And we've we've seen

(38:28):
this invoked before when Nixon resigned, right, I was invoked,
and then the appointment of Nelson Rockefeller fell under the
twenty five Amendment. Uh, Ronald Reagan underwent a colonoscopy in
and they had already invoked section three of the amendments.

(38:54):
So what's happened before you know what I mean, It's
not like a crazy space sage into the world constitutional crisis.
But it's dangerous. It's a dangerous game, you know, because
imagine you're the president of the US. You have an
operation and you go under for that operation. So when

(39:16):
a minister's amnesthesia, and what if during that period of
just a few hours, when you're out, a nuclear exchange occurs.
What happens? Yeah, exactly, President presidents under what are you
gonna do? It's really fascinating just your you mentioned section three.

(39:36):
It's just it's fascinating that when that occurs, the president
has to uh submit essentially something in written, the declaration
that this is happening and declaring that the vice president
is now in power until I write to you again
and say that no, I'm back. Are there? Like do
you think they're like temporary new codes or something? They

(39:58):
get shared? Like, I don't know. I'm wondering, like who
has all that proprietary information? Does the VP have all
the same info as the president, all the same access.
It seems like you would have to be temporarily handed
over to him. Uh in some way. That's interesting. I
don't know. The football changes hands for a couple of hours,
nuclear football, Well, the way the way I believe it's

(40:19):
laid out requires multiple parties in the government to interact,
at least even if the call is Even if the
call is the president's, who still have to have multiple
people in the chain actually deploying weapon. I don't I
think we can all agree. No one should ever trust
any single individual with a with a suitcase such that

(40:44):
they could just whenever they want, said Dukes. That seems
really weird. I hope it's one of those situations like
in the movies where everyone has to turn a key
at the same exact time, you know, and enter the
codes and all. I mean, that's that's how I'm picturing it,
at least, and crack a codebook like snap and then
Elta alf and nine er, Bravo Tequila, uh kazanga, I

(41:05):
don't know. I don't remember the coach vanierro. Uh well,
that's a patriot anyway. So, uh so another example, just
to show you how free this is a weird thing
to meet. So Reaga got a colonoscopy, right, that's the
twenty five Amendment. The colonoscopy. It turns out as like
a driving force for the twenty Amendment. Uh. June twenty nine,

(41:29):
two thousand two, UH, George W. Bush uh invoked Section three,
transferring power to Dick Cheney for colonoscopy temporarily, temporarily, not
for the rest of the time the colonoscopy. No, it's
they were both temporary. He got a he transfer power

(41:52):
again on two thousand seven June. Deary, wait for it,
a second colonoscopy. The man likes his calling. Yeah, well,
I mean he's being and he liked his continuation of government.
So the question that has come up a lot recently is,

(42:12):
you know, the president is in the hospital, should we
should we prepare for for continuation of government? And for
some people, you know, it's completely understandable that that would
be seen as a an alarmist move right for supporters

(42:33):
of the president, of course, that conjures the specter of
a possible coup or something like that. But just to
be clear, the way that the twdding five Amendment works, UH,
it doesn't really skip steps. It goes through the vice president.
So even if there were for some reason situation wherein
the current president of the US was rendered unable to

(42:56):
do their duties, it's a big term and a lot
of conditions bit inside that term, Uh, if they were
temporarily or permanently unable to the powers devolved to the
vice president under amendment. But it has to be invoked
by the president himself or themselves. There are a couple
of different ways for it to happen. Section three is

(43:17):
specifically presidential declaration, so that's when the president knows something's
coming up, I'm gonna get surgery, etcetera. But surely if
you know, yes, that makes sense. But if there was
a situation where he was in a car accident and
maybe ended up in a coma, there would have to
be a way to invoke that officially through other channels
if he was not able to do it himself. Section for.
Section four talks about how the VP and Congress can

(43:39):
work together to essentially say the president cannot uphold office
at this particular juncture. Guys, I'm getting I have such
a clear image of Dick Cheney going into the Oval
office one day and saying, George, I'm gonna need you
to get a colonoscopy on the five PM. He's like, what, well,

(44:03):
why trust me? Gotta have a little bit of an underbyte,
a little bit of a progmatic job. Christian Bail Chainey
I know what you're doing. Yeah, so you're right there.
There are um four sections essentially. First one is president
has died, President resigns automatically. Vice president you're in. You

(44:29):
got tapped. Uh. And then second would be a vice
presidential vacancy. So whenever there is a vacancy for any
reason in the role of the vice president, then the
president says, I want this person to be my vice president,
my new VP, and there has to be a majority

(44:51):
vote both houses of Congress for that to go through.
The third is the president saying I am unable to
do the powers and duties in my office, maybe even temporarily,
so vice president is going to step in for me.
And then the fourth is just what you described, Matt,
the VP and what are called principal officers step in.

(45:12):
And that's the controversial one. Yeah. Within here there is
a real I can't remember if they covered any of
this stuff on House of Cards. I think they did
some of it at least, But the concept that if
the vice president can no longer be the vice president,
then somebody can swoop in and it doesn't require any
kind of election at all, just needs the House, the

(45:33):
it needs Congress. That's yeah, that's about the American people
don't get a vote on that one, which is well,
I guess the argument people would say is that they
do get a vote because they're congressional representatives represent them,
which is true in theory. It's true in theory, but

(45:54):
a lot of things are true in theory. Okay, so
this is the situation. We've touched on so much stuff
that sounds construe ratorial, but we have yet to talk
about the actual conspiracy theories, the actual conspiratorial thought. How
crazy is it that when that announcement came out in
the wee hours of early October from the president's own

(46:17):
Twitter account. Let's leave a little whether or not he
actually wrote that one. A lot of politicians have a
team writing their tweets. When that came out, How crazy
is it that so many people thought it was a hoax? Yeah, crazy,
but also not super crazy. I mean, there's a there's
a really great article that just came out today on
the New York Times. The headline is Trump's COVID news

(46:38):
meets a landscape primed for mistrust, and that rings true
in so many ways because the whole idea of fake news,
the whole idea of little white lies and bigger lies,
and perhaps how truthful the president's administration has been about
certain things, and the idea of kind of subverting reality

(46:59):
in a lot of ways, you know, what we know
to be objectively true things, um is is very much
a product of what we're going through right now with
social media, with the idea of these conspiracy theories like
Q and on with the way so many of these
things have really been leaned in and been been so
divisive between the left and the right and moderates and

(47:21):
extremists on both sides of of of this administration politically,
and um the little kind of blurb I guess abstract
for this article, as a president who rose to fame
in business and on TV and in politics on an
archipelago of exaggerations, finds himself facing a public skeptical of
his account of his own health. Uh. And and that

(47:42):
sort of sums it up where at the end of
the day, it's easy whether you support Trump or against
Trump as to where you fall on this. You know,
and there's a bevy of you know, theories that are
already coming out and just a very short amount of
time on both sides of this, and uh, there is
is you know, let's go with the most extreme lefty

(48:03):
type dude you could ever imagine, Michael Moore, who very
quickly floated this idea on his Facebook page that Trump's
coronavirus diagnosis was a fake in order to help him
rally folks around him the debate. Dodge the debate perhaps
elicit some sympathy in some respect. Um. Whether or not

(48:25):
that is even an effective tactic, even if that was
the case is certainly up for debate. Um why why
why would he dodge the debate? I could feel this one, Yeah,
Matt because Uh. One of the primary criticisms of the
debates from multiple observers is is that they did not
adhere to the rules of the debate, like the two

(48:47):
uninterrupted minutes they made such a big deal about. Uh.
So the idea, and this largely comes from supporters of
the President's opponent in the upcoming election, uh, former VP
Joe Biden. The idea there was that uh the Trump
campaign floated uh like like floated the first debate. See

(49:11):
how people react, and when people reacted adversely to the
President's performance, they were able to take out their back
pocket insurance policy, which was COVID. I'm not saying this
makes sense to me because given the past behavior the
administration relation to this infection, it seems like really shooting
oneself in the foot, unless the calculus is to create

(49:34):
some sort of similar situation similar to that of Boris Johnson,
the Prime Minister of the UK, who encountered a groundswell
of support from some sectors when he survived COVID nineteen.
That's right, Ben, And I've certainly seen that perspective brought
up the Boris Johnson comparison, but that I've also seen that,
you know, his his approval ratings quickly tanked, and he

(49:57):
is very unpopular Boris Johnson, and in the UK UM
currently and and and if this was a thing, and
this was you know, he did get that ground swell,
it was only in some sectors and not like overwhelmingly
everyone all all of a sudden felt sympathy for this
man UM. So that would be a very risky move.
And I tend to not think this is a thing UM.

(50:17):
I think given all the other confirmations of people contracting
it in proximity to the President, it absolutely rings true
that this is absolutely a true diagnosis UM. The question
is the severity, uh, the subterfuge surrounding his treatment. There
is even a photo op that was organized of him
signing uh supposedly a document or a piece of legislation

(50:40):
or something that was staged. There there behind the scenes
photos showing that it was a blank piece of paper
of him in the presidential suite of Walter Reed, which
is a thing, and it's made to very much look
like the Oval Office. There's flags behind him and he's
sitting at a desk with no tie on um. And
then his daughter Ivanka tweeted out that hey, Key's unstoppable,

(51:01):
He's invincible. Nothing will stop him from working for the
American people. And this image of him signing this paper,
but then there's a close up showing that there's nothing
on the paper but him signing. That stop behind the scenes.
That's just right. But there are two there are two photos.
Yahoo News I believe dug into the metadata of those photos,

(51:22):
and it seems they were taking ten minutes apart or so,
which they were saying that they were at Walter Reid.
Though I don't think they were trying to mislead people
by saying it was at the White Absolutely not. I
don't think it's interesting how it looks. You know, the
idea of a presidential suite at Walter Reid obviously makes sense,
but it's a it's an interesting concept, one that I
had never really thought about. But yeah, it very much

(51:43):
looks like a very fancy type of office situation, you know,
with a with a big, you know, fancy presidential desk. Um. So,
so that's one. And that's absolutely confirmed that that the
metadata thing he said is absolutely true. Um. There's an
article on the BBC that kind of goes through and
and confirms somewhat and debunks many of these theories surrounding

(52:07):
what might or might not be be happening with with
the president. Well, I'll tell you one that I saw, Nolan,
let me know if you read anything about this. Uh,
the concept I mentioned it earlier, the concept that the
president was purposefully infected by someone from the opposition. Uh.
And it was a very purposeful thing and it was

(52:29):
done during the first presidential debate of that happened in September.
I don't think I don't think I've seen that one.
Matt Well, Well, that was that was I mean, it
seems to be a baseless rumor at this point, at least,
I've seen no evidence in any way like concerning this.
But it was tweeted out by a lot of people,

(52:51):
two hundreds of thousands of other people who then tweeted
it out, um and again it was just it was
very vague. It was just saying, you know, this was
done purposefully to infect the president before the next debate
and to hurt his election possibilities. But how would you
get past how would you get past all those people?

(53:13):
Every single president in the modern age, excuse me, every
single U S president in the modern age has had
someone try to get to them for one reason or another.
It is very difficult. Well, I hear you. However, in
this scenario, all you need is somebody who is definitely infected,

(53:36):
who is going to be at one of these places
where ppe precautions are not being taken, and it's almost
all of them. So all you need is get one
person in that you know is going to have close
contact with either the President, the first lady or you know,
his assistant and aid somebody who's going to be preparing
for the debates with him. It's just well, and then

(53:59):
surely know with these fundraiser events for these high level folks.
I mean, I can't imagine they're requiring everyone to present
a negative COVID test, you know, before gaining admittance to
this thing. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but I I
highly doubt that, especially considering the attitude the administration has
had towards a lot of this stuff and the fact
that they're doing these indoor events or indoor outdoor. I mean,

(54:20):
most of them have been outdoor events, but there have
been a few of these that are as an indoor portion.
And that was the one with the select group of
high level donors that spend a lot of money to
to be to be at this thing. And now I
I realized I am seeing this. Uh. In this BBC
list the idea of the intentional infection, but it doesn't
go into that specifically, UH as much as it does
the idea that his public appearances have been a body double,

(54:43):
which is something we always hear about when it comes
to like, you know, Kim Jong un, for example, potentially
being dead or hill and uh, you know, um being
misleading the public and thinking that he's fine by having
a body double of some sort. That's tough. I I
do want to before you move on to that when
I want to go back though, because I'm delighted. Conspiratorial

(55:04):
part of me is delighted by the idea so on
purposely spreading COVID. It's kind of ridiculous because COVID has
a very has a lower fatality rate, right, I mean
he is in the co rabidity demographic. He definitely has
a higher chance of dying than a lot of the
people listening to the show today. But um, but it
doesn't seem very uh effective. You know, this is a

(55:28):
pr war. I don't understand the efficacy. But to your
point about the body double, Um, do they have any
like proposed evidence or is it just like literally a
BBC thing where they're saying some people have said that
it's just tweets. Uh, you know from accounts of of
Democratic supporters with lots of you know, retweets, thousands of retweets. Um.

(55:54):
You know, of course we know body double conspiracies are
super common or even uh leveled at Hillary Clinton when
she was a Democratic nominee. When she was she fell ill,
you know, for for that brief period of time and
I believe had to either cancel a debate or Yeah,
there was a whole thing and and and Donald Trump
really jumped on that and even kind of openly mocked
her for being sick and sort of made fun of

(56:15):
her coughing and saying, I can't for even all this stuff,
which has not aged particularly well, uh, when it's being
used now, you know, given the circumstances. Sure, yeah, that's
I mean, it's it's true. We have to be careful.
Words have power, and uh, that's that's why so much
of our legal system is centered on the idea that

(56:37):
your words can be used against you later, right, and
you know, uh, it honestly makes sense that that kind
of statement would come back to haunt someone. There's something
else you were saying, though, all that I had not
heard of until right before we went to area. Were
talking about this or when we're on a break. Uh,

(56:58):
we know that the president was ministers supplemental oxygen, right,
and the doctors, Yeah, the doctors had eventually confirmed that
after giving some conflicting, really weasel word accounts. Uh, but
what's this about a what's about like a secret oxygen tank?
This was news to me. Yeah, there's you know there
there's footage of of the president boarding Marine one, uh,

(57:22):
to to make his way to the hospital for his
treatment to Walter Reid. And you know, there's some folks
that have posted images of this and zooming in on
his h you know, a suit jacket pocket is large,
can be large, and zooming in and highlighting that there's
something bulging in there, um, and the implication is that

(57:45):
it was a secret oxygen tank. And then also zooming
in on his ear behind his mask and you can
kind of see a something running up behind his mask
that isn't just the the elastic bands of the mask itself. Um,
So well, hopefully that's his secret service, you know, super
awesome connection that all spies and presidents get right what

(58:08):
one would one would certainly hope. And then then this
feeds into the idea of of downplaying all of this stuff.
And and then the BBC article sort of compares it
to this idea that Joe Biden was wearing an earpiece
um that helped him during the debate. And we've seen
that come up before and past debates. But but you know,
I I tend to not truly I think there's much
sand to that either, but but it is something that's

(58:30):
being thrown around. You know. Another another concept that's coming
out of the Q and On space right now is
that this is all a trick that President Trump and
those close to him are playing on everybody to try
and you know, move forward with some of the arrests
that are supposed to be happening for d Chess. Yeah,

(58:53):
take that step. I don't know. I mean, part of
me wants that to be true, like so badly wants
that to be true, that all of this is one big,
real Q and On thing, Like it's all real and
it's all been a stage play. But um, the majority
of me knows that that's not true. Sadly. The Guardian has,

(59:17):
as they could one on that, Matt the idea, Yeah,
the idea that um and they quote Q and On
followers on this. Uh. Their their idea, at least has
reported in The Guardian is that COVID nineteen itself is
a hoax that was meant to deflect attention from a

(59:39):
Satan worshiping child abuser ring operated by Hillary Clinton and
various elites, and that Trump is actually pretending to have
COVID even though it's a hoax. I feel like you
need a whiteboard straight. He's been pretending to have COVID
even though it's a hoax, cause it's a step in

(01:00:03):
some obtunse plan to ultimately arrest uh. Clinton is like
the main person they point out, but they are numerous others.
I'm sure Barack Obama is mentioned or other like historical
uh historically important Democrats who would be seen as opponents
of the current Republican administration. Makes you wonder though Jimmy

(01:00:25):
Carter doesn't get mentioned in a lot of those, does
he No? And and just by the way, I just
was looking a little further into the secret oxygen tank
thing and Snopes came right up um showing that the
stills that indicate this bulge and like a screen grab
or a photograph of a television news broadcast showing this

(01:00:46):
wire running up this the President's ear were doctored and
that this is absolute bunk um. So just putting that
out there. But you know, people, the imagination runs wild,
and people have all kinds of agendas to your point,
Ben of how do how do you spend this in
a way that he is beneficial to cause one cause
or another or enemies you know that are looking for

(01:01:07):
a foothold. Guys, can I bring one last thing up?
And I know we need to wrap or going long.
Apologies everyone, but also you're welcome. UM. Twitter, I want
to talk about what happened on Twitter when the President
announced that he and Milannia had coronavirus. So many people

(01:01:27):
were lightly and heavily wishing i'll just say it, death
upon the sitting president. UM. And then Twitter came forward
and said, hey, guys, you can't do that. Don't put
death you know, wishes or don't put death threats in
this kind of inappropriate stuff on Twitter. And then the

(01:01:49):
backlash that came back from Twitter users across the planet
who have experienced their own death threats, light or otherwise. UM,
and how nothing was done even though those were reported.
There was a fascinating a change that began happening on
Friday and over the weekend. UM. That's still being fought
on one of the largest social media networks that exists. UM.

(01:02:12):
But just that concept of, I don't know, wishing death
on a sitting president is something that is not allowed
or at least threatening. You're not allowed to threaten. I
think wishing death and threatening are two very different things. Yeah,
it's weird because it's it's something we've run into before
in past. There was an odd language problem with Farsi

(01:02:38):
and English about death to insert here is so crazy
because if you talk to someone who speaks Farsi, it's like, um,
saying death too is a lot like saying uh, yeah, well,
well not even that, it's like saying um, it's like

(01:03:00):
the way we say this in English. It's like saying traffic.
It's not the like to us in English, death too
means I hope someone finds you and slowly in your life.
But in other languages, at least in Farsi, it's it's
more like, uh, screw this, I think it's bad. Uh,

(01:03:23):
which doesn't make you know, I think it's It would
be naive to say people who speak Farsi are not
well aware of what of how how much heavier of
an impact that has in English. But the idea of
death too in Twitter is also very close to something
that uh, this administration was already pushing for, which is

(01:03:45):
making social media platforms liable for the statements of their users. Right,
you guys remember that for sure, And that's that's a
big deal. Um, And I do want to plan out
to that. I do think it's a little bit interesting
that you know a lot of Trump supporters I think
really value Trump's ability to kind of trash talk liberals

(01:04:07):
and and his detractors very effectively and kind of rile
people up and get under people's skin by saying some
pretty inflammatory things and leveling insults and giving people these
you know, kind of offensive nicknames. Um. But now all
of a sudden, when the tables are turned and people
are you know, maybe pointing out the somewhat ironic nature

(01:04:27):
of Trump coming down with this condition that he has
been so adamant about not being that big a deal. Um,
it seems like there's some hypocrisy there too, where folks
are saying, you know, these people are horrible people for
speaking ill of the presidents, you know, when he's a
sick man. When Trump is openly criticized folks for wearing

(01:04:48):
masks and having certain conditions and things like that. Yeah,
that's an excellent point. Let's also, you know, let's not
forget that we are talking about one very important person.
Whomever is the president of the United States at any
given time is a very important person, and uh, by
nature of their position, they're also a very dangerous person.

(01:05:12):
That's not a value judgment about them as individuals. It's
a value judgment about that position. One thing that I
think is missing from the conversation is the over two
hundred thousand confirmed COVID nineteen deaths here in the United States.
It shouldn't take one person, no matter how important, getting
COVID nineteen, for us to care about hundreds of thousands

(01:05:34):
of other people who are never going to be able
to speak about their ultimate firsthand experience with COVID nineteen ever. Again,
unless somebody really does pierce the mortal veil, unless a
WEGIA board really does work, those people are dead. Uh
And and you know, of course, of course there are

(01:05:55):
conspiratorial things about this. I mean, I I don't know.
I I keep thinking over and over, like, I don't
think it could be a hoax. There are too many players,
you know what I mean. There are too many doctors,
There are too many people who are involved at this point.
But I don't know the degree of that infection. And

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I don't think I don't think a lot of us do.
I don't think that's going to come out yet for
a while, you know, maybe three weeks from now, maybe
four weeks, maybe after the election. I don't know. We're
just as such a sensitive time as a nation right now.
It feels just like I mean, it would have leaked.
You know, they had to get ahead of it. They
had to own the narrative. Um, and that's what they did.

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And I think, you know, to your point about the
other people, the two thousand plus people who can never
speak about their experience again, they've already the administration's kind
of spun it um. There's a tweet that you sent
us been where another surrogate from the Trump administration pointed
out how now Trump has firsthand experience in this struggle

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that Joe Biden could never have. And it's almost the
implication that they're they're spinning it as like this is
a good thing that's going to help him fight the
disease better. And I don't know, well, yeah, I mean
if we if we all get if we all had
access to experimental anti viral cocktails, then yeah, maybe we

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would be y'all better off? I mean, would we That's
there's still experimental. We have to remember that, you know
what I mean, That's like that's a that's inherently a
risk thing, but it gives you, it gives you time
to think. These are these are very very important and
crucial issues, because we are not talking about to be

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very very clear, we're not talking really about an individual,
whatever they're uh perceived virtues or vices. Maybe we're talking
about someone who is the public face of his superpower.
We're talking about the role in the position of the
president of the United States. And with that in mind,

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I wish we could fast forward as a group two
October twelve and then back and tell ourselves what's going
to happen, because I was thinking about it this morning. Uh,
how many years long is this week going to be?
You know what I mean? Approximately two point four yea,
as we travel at the speed of fright. And with that,

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